0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 69      Contents:P Re: <strike>Open</strike>VMS (was: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen) scree) Re: Accessing tapes in DLT4500 tape drive  Re: Apache CGI Problem.  Autogen repeatedly?  Re: Autogen repeatedly?  Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  Company Merger* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen. Does DELETE/ENTRY guarantee exit handler call? Re: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!  Re: FREEWARE 5.0 Re: Identifying image files  Re: Image Backup speed Re: LICENSE/CHARGE0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month4 Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file.8 Re: Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file.8 Re: Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file.  Re: Pathworks/MS Network problem  Re: Pathworks/MS Network problem3 Re: PIDs of processes created during system startup 3 Re: PIDs of processes created during system startup 3 RE: PIDs of processes created during system startup & Problem in mail.ini: set quueu command* Re: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu command* Re: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu command- Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows keys...  Re: RPC "Hello"  Re: RPC "Hello"  Re: Selling VMS licenses Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight E Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems E Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems E Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems E Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems E Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems E Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems  Re: Systems & Options Catalogs RE: Systems & Options Catalogs RE: Systems & Options Catalogs
 Re: TCPIP lpd ! UAF quotas too high, a bad thing?  Re: Veritas Client for VMS2 Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The InquirerA Where's Alpha savings going (was Re: setting the record straight)  X windows documentation  Re: X windows documentation P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqP [OT] Other cool Windows shortcuts (was Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows keyP Re: [OT] Other cool Windows shortcuts (was Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:30:55 GMT & From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org>Y Subject: Re: <strike>Open</strike>VMS (was: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen) scree ' Message-ID: <3C5F19AA.A67A33E6@ACM.org>    "Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser" wrote: O > P.S. I gues most people here would not mind too much if the "Open" would have , > to be sacrificed for space reasons ... ;->  ? More than one large company has falled back to a classic theme. 1 Coke, Jack is Back (western US), Mustang, Bettle.    --   C.W.Holeman II  cwhii@acm.org				http://emle.org- http://also.as/cwhii		http://JulianLocals.com    ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2002 04:19:15 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: Accessing tapes in DLT4500 tape drive- Message-ID: <87sn8hov98.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  D > In article <3C5D0F8B.2C448B69@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>, Steve Reece( > <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote:   B > >Hi Martin, There is a TZ885 which is a 40GB drive with a 5 slotA > >loader (giving a maximum of 200GB unattended backup capacity). B > >I've a feeling that this was actually an HP drive though rather > >than a Quantum one...   F > AFAIK, Quantum makes the innards for all the DLT drives.  (At least,D > since they bought the product line from Digital.)  Firmware likely/ > varies a bit in the various re-badged drives.   D Was looking at one yesterday; 'Made by Quantum for HP' or some such.6 Odd to see that sort of thing ;) And on the front too!  & I have also seen a DEC TZ 885 as well.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:53:05 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)   Subject: Re: Apache CGI Problem./ Message-ID: <3c5f2c80.6145246@news.wcc.govt.nz>   
 Martin, Alan,   9 With those excellent pointers it now works - many thanks.   9 Just need to work on restricting it to the things I want.   A It's pretty safe at the moment, I'm the only one playing with it. 4 Plus, the Apache$www account doesn't have any privs.   Rob.        @ On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:11:34 GMT, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU. ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote:  _ >In article <3c5e00c4.3040245051@news.wcc.govt.nz>, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) writes:  >>Hi Chaps,  >>+ >>I've got the following in an html script.  >>8 >><!--#exec cmd="$@apache$root:[cgi-bin]get_time.com"--> >>1 >>The get_time script just does pretty much that.  >>E >>I've got a lot of GET html stuff working but was quite intrigued by  >>this approach.H >>It's effectively cribbed from the Release Notes. But I can't get it to >>work.  >> >>I get nothing back. > >>Turned on debug logicals and the script is not being called.G >>If I run the get_time.com directly from the Web Server it works fine.  >> >>What have I missed?  >>- >>Tried enabling some handlers but no change.  >> > G >Because the ability to execute arbitrary commands can be dangerous and H >present security exposures, Apache requires you to tell it you want to H >server-side-includes on the files you want to and gives you the ability6 >to specify includes without the ability to run Execs. > = >So somewhere you have to have a container directive (one of)  >  ><Files>
 ><FilesMatch>  >  ><Directory> ><DirectoryMatch>  >  ><Location>  ><LocationMatch> > . >that applies to this file and turns on execs. > K >For example, if you want to make every .shtml file on your server able to  ' >run execute arbitrary commands, put in  > 6 ># define the handler (which you probably already did)- >Addtype application/x-server-parsed .shtml    > C ><Files *.shtml>  # wildcards work on files; Filesmatch needs regex  > Options +Includes 	 ></Files>  > J >Alternatively, you can allow includes but prohibit anything that requires) >script execution (exec cmd or exec cgi):  >  ><Files *.shtml> > Options +IncludesNOEXEC 	 ></Files>  >  > M >If you're the only one writing pages on your system, you might actually want G >to use the command I give above.  Otherwise, you might want to have a  % >[trusted-ssipages] directory and do   > & ><Directory /pathto/trusted-ssipages/> > Options +Includes 
 ></Directory>  > H >and don't put any pages in there that you haven't checked out yourself. >  >Hope this helps!  >  >-- Alan >  > P >===============================================================================1 > Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU N > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056N > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210P >=============================================================================== >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 03:56:51 GMT 0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com> Subject: Autogen repeatedly?+ Message-ID: <3C5F57FE.E6F12E67@mailbag.com>   C It seems I have done something interesting here. I have a VS4000/90 8 running vms7.2 that I had gotten into a confused state.   I I have DEC Tcpip installed and just this evening configured Decnet-plus.    B I have just installed MMS and LSE off of my July 97 SPL. I put the? startup.com lines in the systartup_vms.com as instructed by the G installer. Now, after I shutdown, it says I have 9800 global pages free G and need 30000. It asks if I would like to run autogen and reboot. Then F it comes back up and says I have 19900 and need 30000. Would I like toB run autogen? Then it comes up back at 9800 free. Repeat as long asG you're willing to hit yes as near as I can tell. If I say no (with it's D warning that decwindows won't start, I had hoped to get to a consoleC prompt) I get a dark screen as if decwindow tries to start anyway.    : This is a home/hobbyist machine so no tape drive/backups.   F Do I have any options shy of starting from scratch? Sigh. All I wanted6 was to get mms working so I could compile emacs... ;'p   TIA,   William  --  * You better watch out    What you wish for;+ It better be worth it   So much to die for. -                                 Courtney Love    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:27:26 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>   Subject: Re: Autogen repeatedly?B Message-ID: <1012890449.26931.0.nnrp-08.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   You have two options.   + 1. Add an ADD_GBLPAGES command in modparams   J 2. Do a conversation boot and set the number high enough to get the system up, then run autogen.    SYSGEN> sho glblpages ' SYSGEN> set glblpages glblpages  + 3000  SYSGEN> cont    = "William Barnett-Lewis" <wlewis@mailbag.com> wrote in message % news:3C5F57FE.E6F12E67@mailbag.com... E > It seems I have done something interesting here. I have a VS4000/90 9 > running vms7.2 that I had gotten into a confused state.  > J > I have DEC Tcpip installed and just this evening configured Decnet-plus. > D > I have just installed MMS and LSE off of my July 97 SPL. I put theA > startup.com lines in the systartup_vms.com as instructed by the I > installer. Now, after I shutdown, it says I have 9800 global pages free I > and need 30000. It asks if I would like to run autogen and reboot. Then H > it comes back up and says I have 19900 and need 30000. Would I like toD > run autogen? Then it comes up back at 9800 free. Repeat as long asI > you're willing to hit yes as near as I can tell. If I say no (with it's F > warning that decwindows won't start, I had hoped to get to a consoleD > prompt) I get a dark screen as if decwindow tries to start anyway. > ; > This is a home/hobbyist machine so no tape drive/backups.  > H > Do I have any options shy of starting from scratch? Sigh. All I wanted8 > was to get mms working so I could compile emacs... ;'p >  > TIA, > 	 > William  > --, > You better watch out    What you wish for;- > It better be worth it   So much to die for. / >                                 Courtney Love    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:26:05 +0100 B From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE. Message-ID: <3C5EEE5D.EB48E22D@mail.danbbs.dk>   Warren Spencer wrote: L > When I installed BridgeWorks a couple of years ago, the installation guideF > was huge and had a zillion details.  However, a section near the topI > indicated that you only had to configure a very small portion of it for M > BridgeWorks to do its thing.  I do not recall having to install the DCE App 
 > Dev kit.  A If you want to build the generated server stuff then you need the ' DEC App Dev Kit (for Bridgeworks 2.0A).    This is documented.   < I am just complaining that a tool which I see as interesting& relies on a very rare development kit.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:06:29 -0500 0 From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@compaq.com> Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE* Message-ID: <3C5EE9C5.C58CCB71@compaq.com>   "C.W.Holeman II" wrote:  >  > Arne Vajhj wrote:2 > > If Bridgeworks were to be a success, then they< > > should make DCE available for free via download as well. > & > When did DCE stop being part of VMS? > 5 > From "Updated: 01 April 1994  Customer Update Home"  >  > > OpenVMS Future Directions  > K > > Digital offers DCE today for OpenVMS and DEC OSF/1 platforms and in the J > > future will offer it for Windows and Windows NT platforms. DCE runtimeF > > services are included with OpenVMS software at no additional cost.  I The quote referenced above is still correct for OpenVMS (and DCE is still B available for Tru64 UNIX, from a 3rd party - Integrity Solutions).  M The RPC portion of DCE has shipped as part of OpenVMS since V7.2-1.  The full O Runtime is licensed with the operating system, and ships on the OpenVMS Layered K Product and Operating System CD sets.  No special licenses are needed for a J client implementation of DCE.  In order to use the DCE servers, additionalN licenses are required:  DCE-CDS for the directory server, and DCE-SECURITY forI the security server.  Lastly, the DCE Application Developer's kit is also " separately licensed (DCE-APP-DEV).  O There are some historical and some technical reasons for why it was set up this L way, and I won't go into all the gory details here.  The bottom line is thatF you do, indeed, need the DCE Developer's kit for developing BridgeworkL applications that use RPC.  The reason is that you need the DCE IDL compiler= (and include files, examples, etc.) that come with the kit.   G Now... why pay for it?  Do you pay for a license for your C compiler on L OpenVMS?  When you're developing an application, you pay for the developmentO tools, but you can usually deploy the application on any system without needing J those tools.  In other words, you pay for the compiler on your development9 system, but not the compiler runtime on all your systems.    	Wayne Morrison  	former DCE Project Leader   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:27:02 +0100 B From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE. Message-ID: <3C5EEE96.67273E67@mail.danbbs.dk>   "C.W.Holeman II" wrote:  > Arne Vajhj wrote:2 > > If Bridgeworks were to be a success, then they< > > should make DCE available for free via download as well. > & > When did DCE stop being part of VMS?   DCE runtime is part of VMS.   3 DEC Application Development Kit is not part of VMS.    Separate kit. Separate license.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:32:02 +0100 B From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE. Message-ID: <3C5EEFC2.A61F88E6@mail.danbbs.dk>   Wayne Morrison wrote: O > The RPC portion of DCE has shipped as part of OpenVMS since V7.2-1.  The full Q > Runtime is licensed with the operating system, and ships on the OpenVMS Layered M > Product and Operating System CD sets.  No special licenses are needed for a L > client implementation of DCE.  In order to use the DCE servers, additionalP > licenses are required:  DCE-CDS for the directory server, and DCE-SECURITY forK > the security server.  Lastly, the DCE Application Developer's kit is also $ > separately licensed (DCE-APP-DEV). > Q > There are some historical and some technical reasons for why it was set up this N > way, and I won't go into all the gory details here.  The bottom line is thatH > you do, indeed, need the DCE Developer's kit for developing BridgeworkN > applications that use RPC.  The reason is that you need the DCE IDL compiler= > (and include files, examples, etc.) that come with the kit. I > Now... why pay for it?  Do you pay for a license for your C compiler on N > OpenVMS?  When you're developing an application, you pay for the developmentQ > tools, but you can usually deploy the application on any system without needingaL > those tools.  In other words, you pay for the compiler on your development; > system, but not the compiler runtime on all your systems.k  @ As I wrote in the original post, then I have no problem with the requirement # for a C compiler, which cost money.C  F If you have a development box, then you very likely has the C compiler on that box.   No problem.c  B But DCE Application Developers Kit is I think a rather rare beast.  > And I think that its rarity will severely limit the success of Bridgeworks.  ? And I do not think that Compaq is making truckloads of money on & DCE Application Developers Kit either.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 17:13:08 -0600r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)U Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE3 Message-ID: <lK8XyrhgdaCW@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  s In article <3C5EEFC2.A61F88E6@mail.danbbs.dk>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> writes:e  B > As I wrote in the original post, then I have no problem with the
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Or repl=@ y to this message with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.1 </font><br><hl></body></html><html><body><hl><br>IL <img src=3D'http://gm12.com/app/campaigner/trk/opn.jsp?cid=3D110218&rid=3D1=> 10140&ctd=3D18261197&lid=3D8163455' width=3D'2' height=3D'2' > <br><hl></body></html>* ------=_Part_83895_2255014.1012881610367--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:06:22 -0500.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screeni, Message-ID: <3C5EDBAA.BD6AE1EC@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:4 > Just the words "Compaq OpenVMS" doesn't excite me.  M Shouldn't you be waiting for your new owners to decide what the branding will ? be ?  What is HP's policy with regards to its X login screens ?   N Personally, I think it should be similar to the character cell interface: justJ allow each site to define a logical that points to an image (of documented size and attributes).t   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:16:22 +0100 (MET) B From: "Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser" <ZINSER@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen ; Message-ID: <01KDVZSH2YXI8ZK1OW@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  Q > From:	IN%"mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch"  "John McLean"  4-FEB-2002 19:46:27.23 2 > Subj:	RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen   > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >nO > > Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to a nicet > > VMS "shark" logo.t > >oN > > If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,@ > > so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones. > >y	 > > _Fredb >  > J > I'm an Australian and sharks really don't appeal - except as the fish in > fish-and-chips.  > H > How about something a bit more like proper marketing ?  One or two bigI > words to catch the eye of anyone walking past....or a logo that somehow- > comments on the industry...1 >  > 
 > John McLeana  F Well, I do like the Shark logo quite a bit. It certainly communicates K a dynamic and aggressiveness VMS marketing by Q in general lacks (No insult P intended to the few and brave who hang out here in c.o.v.). Still I do have one J problem with the Shark "icon" and that is that it is a picture rather thanI an icon. While for the question at hand this does not make too much of a eH difference (there is loads of space on the login screen) this is a real M pain if you do want to really use a OpenVMS icon somewhere. So I would prefernK a logo that scales down gracefully at least to 16x16 (yupp, the size of alleK these pesky icons in the browser URL bars aka favicon). Unfortunatly I can oK not offer an implementation since my artistic skills are not good enough tor do one.g   				Greetings, MartinP  M P.S. I gues most people here would not mind too much if the "Open" would have * to be sacrificed for space reasons ... ;->N Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                       zinser@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com4 Deutsche Boerse Systems Inc.                        B Suite 1580                                   Tel: +1-312-408-3085 A 141 West Jackson Blvd.                       FAX: +1-312-408-3071e- Chicago, IL, 60604                           eF USA                                          Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 13:14:11 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screene3 Message-ID: <fov1dFxodoqR@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  j In article <elA78.405$am1.17264@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:M > Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to a nicey > VMS "shark" logo.p > L > If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,> > so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.  4    The shark would be great.  Looking forward to it.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 13:30:11 -0600o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen-3 Message-ID: <VTjkYgcDBVeG@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  c In article <fov1dFxodoqR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:3l > In article <elA78.405$am1.17264@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:N >> Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to a nice >> VMS "shark" logo. >> sM >> If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,o? >> so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.  > 6 >    The shark would be great.  Looking forward to it.  1 So Fred, what can we do to "vote for" the shark ?a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:12:17 GMTe From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGi3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screent0 Message-ID: <00A0910E.6A951E3E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <YJA78.406$am1.17379@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:K >The "shark" logo is a swimming shark, with "OpenVMS" written near the top.e >iL >Don't know what "proper marketing" is.  The shark logo is eye catching, and
 >looks slick.     H How about a more appropriate logo.  One that reflects the true nature ofI VMS.  I'd suggest a bastard child wearing a VMS T-shirt (filthy and torn)eI and being neglected by its care-givers while other children are pampered.s     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMb             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbeso   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:26:05 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.nety3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenM8 Message-ID: <hfB78.832$Sk.480077@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>  4 Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:M : Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to a nicea : VMS "shark" logo.   L : If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,> : so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.  ? How about making the logos available so everyone can check themv out after you get them.  -- e Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.neta= Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:35:25 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>k3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenp2 Message-ID: <slC78.413$am1.32491@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3C5EDBAA.BD6AE1EC@videotron.ca>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:r5 >> Just the words "Compaq OpenVMS" doesn't excite me.- > I >Shouldn't you be waiting for your new owners to decide what the brandinga will@ >be ?  What is HP's policy with regards to its X login screens ? > J >Personally, I think it should be similar to the character cell interface: justK >allow each site to define a logical that points to an image (of documentede >size and attributes).  < Until such time HP takes us over, we are seperate companies.  L The ability to change the contents of this space by the user already exists.? The question is, what should the default be to fill that space?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:00:45 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screene, Message-ID: <3C5EF670.61990794@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:> > Until such time HP takes us over, we are seperate companies.  H have you checked the SEC filings BY COMPAQ lately ?  If you are separateK companies, how come over 450 people are devoted as we speak to planning the_M integration ? And how come Compaq files under its onw company name, documentsc generated by HP ?a  K Perhaps you should be talking to some of those 450 integration folks insideDN your organisations to ask them what sort of time frame branding issues will be dealt with.I  E Heck, perhaps you could simply put the shark on and present it to theAL integration folks as the standard logo for VMS and this way perhaps HP wouldK simply adopt/accept it as a VMS logo. (while you are at it, why not rebrand 4 VMS to "VMS" (drop the open) during the transition ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:39:37 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>s3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screena2 Message-ID: <opC78.414$am1.32760@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Note the word "lobbying".  Nothing is a done deal.  I'm working to try andF change it from a really, really bad rendition of the Compaq logo, intoL something that has more eye appeal, and indicates that the system is running OpenVMS.  K The DII/COE login box is more appealing that the current one (kind of cool,rF large DII logo, and a whole lot of text telling you about the do's and don't's of a defense asset).   _Fred=  ( dittman@dittman.net wrote in message ...5 >Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:dI >: Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to ah nice >: VMS "shark" logo. >vD >: If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,? >: so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.i >t@ >How about making the logos available so everyone can check them >out after you get them. >-- 
 >Eric Dittman  >dittman@dittman.net> >Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:15:17 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenu1 Message-ID: <a3n0rm$cc$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>c  G A true challenge, though its a shame your ban on funny images disallows-0 my favorite BG on a bullseye screensaver option.  F The shark is acceptable, as long as it is rendered nicely; many of theH downloadable copies I've seen are very coarse.  I don't imagine that the= Q would allow the use of the |d|i|g|i|t|al| block font saying G |O|p|e|n|V|M|S| either, eh?  To be honest, my personal preference would B be to not see the Compaq name at all (wishful thinking, but in theH circles we sell to, "Compaq" is still a name that loses sales, not makesF them), if they could settle on just the stylized 'Q', with OpenVMS (orH VMS!) displayed in a classic, sharp, big font, that could be acceptable.  C OTOH, got a picture of one of those JStars that are running VMS?  IFG could see VMS, in a racy, but elegant, italicized font over an image of3 one of those...d  G VMS, the perfect defense against mediocrity, both foreign and domestic.0   VMS, keeping America safe.   Rich  $ Fred Kleinsorge wrote in message ...G >Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to a0 nice >VMS "shark" logo. >0B >If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,= >so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.- >  >_Fred >  >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:58:06 -00000/ From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>r7 Subject: Does DELETE/ENTRY guarantee exit handler call?l/ Message-ID: <u5u0ve95a6gfd0@corp.supernews.com>=  ? Does VMS guarantee exit handlers will be called if DELETE/ENTRYF" is used to halt a job in progress?   -- d -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 15:58:09 -0800v( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202041558.16132571@posting.google.com>E  v Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:<20020204180306.90645.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>... > I am having a problem with > Errlog.sys in OpenVMS 7.1-1H2n >  > $ ANAL/ERR >  > %ERF-E-READERR, error reading3" > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSERR]ERRLOG.SYS;73 > -RMS-W-RTB, 5716 byte record too large for user'sl > buffer >  >  > And the file charact. are: > 5 > RRLOG.SYS;7                  File ID:  (10361,56,0)f2 > Size:         4155/4158       Owner:    [SYSTEM]$ > Created:    4-JUL-2000 16:21:50.26, > Revised:    4-FEB-2002 15:27:36.80 (22571) > Expires:   <None specified>0$ > Backup:     4-FEB-2002 09:50:50.89 > Effective: <None specified>. > Recording: <None specified>6  > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      Online2 > File attributes:    Allocation: 4158, Extend: 0, > Global buffer count: 0& >                     No version limit7 > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes,9 > longest 7142 bytes6 > Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None8 > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, > World: > Access Cntrl List:  None > & > Total of 4 files, 8312/12483 blocks. > $c >  >  > $ > Is there a way to recover it ????? >   L we get the same thing on our alphaservers w/7.1-1H2, and was told we have toC use decevent, but the funny thing is on our alphastations it works!s also try doing  * $ ANALYZE/ERR/SINCE=11-JUN-2001 ERRLOG.SYS  F on decevent and it takes forever w/binary search ... analyze/err/sinceE under analyze is much quicker!!!  I thought this was now an option onw, which error logger format you wanted to use?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 01:47:29 GMTi2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: FREEWARE 5.0h2 Message-ID: <RQG78.434$am1.35342@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEBFEBAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:>E :I didn't get one of these with my 7.3 distribution.  Is there a siteaG :from which it can be downloaded in its entirety?  The Compaq, AFAICT,  & :isn't suitable for such an endeavour.  L   You either got your OpenVMS distribution kit informally (and incomplete), K   or there is a problem with the distribution kit you received.  In either uI   case, please contact the folks that provided you with your kit and ask 2   for the missing disk(s).  L   Alternatively, use the part numbers in the OpenVMS FAQ and order yourself K   one or more copies of the Freeware CD-ROM disks -- the charge covers the e%   shipping and handling of the disks.r  K   Downloading two packed-full CD-ROM disks via FTP will take some time.  I fJ   was considering asking the webmaster to load the individual directories K   of the Freeware website into zips for ease of downloads, but I had never 0M   even considered that somebody would want the whole thing, and would forego 0L   acquiring the CD-ROM media -- that somebody would want to try to download N   the entire contents of the disks directly.  (Your level of budget, patience,J   and/or available network link bandwidth clearly differ(s) from mine. :-)  G   And before anybody asks, I do not have any OpenVMS Freeware disks to a   pass out.  Sorry.c  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 01:35:26 GMTl2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: Identifying image files2 Message-ID: <yFG78.433$am1.35402@news.cpqcorp.net>  V In article <3C5AC65E.D816768F@yahoo.com>, James Gessling <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:F :I was looking for a way to better identify what cms class was used to :build an image.  F   Build it into your image, or (better) maintain a set of linker maps D   and compiler listings for the build -- and preserve the CMS Class,   of course.    H   I regularly load stuff into images using symbols that are initialized F   within linker options files.  Of course, I also have tools which canG   pre-process data to generate source code, and I then build that code =E   into the application.  There are many ways to solve this.  (Most ofvF   which do not rely on undocumented and unsupported features, too. :-)  I :I know about identification= in the option file, and am using that.  ButuH :noticed ... "image file build identification".  Anyone know how to set 8 :that?  (I can't find it in the linker manual)  vms 7.2.  I   This field is used by OpenVMS Engineering and specifically by the PCSI nF   utility -- this is part of the generation mechanism within PCSI and E   specifically used within PCSI patch kits.  There's an undocumented 1G   command buried within the linker options file processing that allows 2K   access to the field, but this field is expressly intended to be reserved :K   for use by and with PCSI -- and the keyword is undocumented for a reason.oI   Please do not attempt to use this field for any purpose other than for '   its intended use with PCSI.e  K   Given what is going on for the port of OpenVMS over to Itanium, I'd stay PJ   well clear of adding any new dependencies or new knowledge of the image K   headers into an application -- the OpenVMS Itanium image headers will be f>   quite different from those on OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha.  I   The astute reader will note I have neglected to mention the name of the60   undocumented linker options file keyword. :-)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 17:37:04 -0800g1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)a Subject: Re: Image Backup speed < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0202041737.f6d2e25@posting.google.com>  s lee.kielty@sussex.police.uk (Lee Kielty) wrote in message news:<2a652b01.0202040409.55438f39@posting.google.com>...-H > I am trying to backup from a single  COMPAQ   BB01811C9C 18.gb disk to( > a 3 volume COMPAQ BB01811C9C raid set. ... : > This backup is taking an extremely long time to complete ... ? > Is it related to the difference in cluster size on the disks?    Not likely.k  h; > Do you have any suggestions on how I may speed things up?i  C My guess is that you're overrunning the write-back cache writing tonD the output raidset, since Backup is basically doing all writes, just5 what a raidset (which is a RAID-5 array) is worst at.t  F I presume you need redundancy.  Could you add a 4th disk and make it aB 2x2 RAID 0+1 array (stripeset of mirrorsets) instead of a 3-memberA RAID-5 array?  The amount of effective storage space would be the D same, but writing to the mirrorsets will be faster than writing to aC RAID-5 array.  For even higher speed during the restore, create the C unit as a stripeset of two 1-member mirrorsets, do the restore, and F add 2nd members to each mirrorset after the Backup to restore the data
 is completed.	  @ As it turns out, raising MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE up from 32D probably won't help in this case, and may actually hurt.  I spoke toF the developer responsible for this code a while back, and he describedD what it actually controls with respect to writes.  Despite its name,C the function of this parameter is not to control whether writes are A cached in non-volatile memory or not -- they always have a buffer F allocated in the write-back cache.  The parameter controls whether theB buffer, once it has been written to disk, is to be returned to theE cache management code (in hopes a subsequent read will reference it),sF or simply returned to the free pool.  In this case, returning the dataA to free pool is the right thing to do, since the data will not beaA referenced again by a subsequent read.  Returning it to free pooll/ frees it up for use by another write operation.s  C I figure the more writes you can fit into the write-back cache, the D greater the chances the controller's write-consolidation can improve1 the efficiency of the writes to the target disks.u? ---------------------------------------------------------------r? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on: > Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 02:01:38 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: LICENSE/CHARGEs2 Message-ID: <62H78.435$am1.35332@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMECAEBAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:s. :Is there a site which displays the results of :$ SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE! :for all the differnet platforms?i     Seek:"  1     http://www.compaq.com/products/software/info/'  F   for the license units requirement table (LURT) and other LMF-related   reference materials.  G :In particular, I am interested in ES40,45. which if someone could post  :would be much apreciated.  =   AlphaServer ES40 is listed in the reference material above.   @   AlphaServer ES45 is not listed, so here are the values I have:    >                    CPU   LURT A /                     LURT H />                    Cnt   OS Units                     LP Units:  AlphaServer ES45  1     50                           1050:  AlphaServer ES45  2     100                          1050:  AlphaServer ES45  3     150                          1050:  AlphaServer ES45  4     200                          1050    E   AFAIK, the AlphaServer ES45 licensing matches the AlphaServer ES40.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:45:55 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)-9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthr/ Message-ID: <3c5f1911.1170543@news.wcc.govt.nz>o   Very true...  = I saw an article in a PC mag that was talking about Clusters..  F It stated that a Cluster that used a Lock Manager to control access to  a common resouce could not work! What chance have we got?  F It seems that we're in a world where a regression from what we had can be marketed as a new feature!.  F I had VMS on a desktop Alpha, NT came along and trumpeted a multi-user  OS on the desktop...  errrrr so?  A I ran RDB on a mixed architecture cluster, concurrent access frommA multiple machines, Oracle 9i is gloating about concurrent access.p   Bah....   4 On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:18:45 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   >l? >"John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in messageo0 >news:3C5EBF16.A8698704@swissonline.delete.ch... >> >> >> "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: >> >C >> > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in messagee1 >> > news:3C5E9CC1.6457FBEC@firstdbasource.com...tL >> > > I think EVERYONE who uses a PC is painfully aware of the grabage theyH >> > > have produced.   I have 2 PC (W98 and WME) which I must reboot at >leastF >> > > once a day. Generally because I usually have 10-15 apps running7 >> > > concurrently, multiple Reflection sessions, etc.t >> >H >> > Not surprising. What *is* surprising is the fact that consumers whoK >> > purchased the Windows 98 virus cheerfully paid incremental revenue foroM >> > Second Edition and Millennium Edition. In a nutshell, Second Edition andt >MEf/ >> > are more robust strains of the same virus.- >> >L >> > Verily, all and sundry have been dumbed down into accepting--and payingJ >> > through the nose for--mediocre, flawed products. That's the Microsoft >Way.D >> >>J >> I am so tired of Microsoft claiming that security problems are industryI >> wide that I have sent off an email to ttemin@gcn.com who is one of thes >> editors at http://gcn.com/. >>H >> Last week I sent a email to www.forbes.com about similar comments.  IE >> also told them they were wrong when they said that Compaq had made  >> profits on PCs last year. >>J >> I am getting very tired of the poor reporting that purports to be Fact,< >> when it is nothing more than a rehash of a press release. >aJ >Agreed. The Trade and Business Press isn't what it used to be... not by aI >long shot. At least back in the daze of Digital Review, et al, the TraderL >Press was reasonably accurate from a technical standpoint. And the BusinessC >Press didn't posture itself as being an Authoritative Source of ITn
 >information.n >  >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:13:24 GMTm4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month-> Message-ID: <EsF78.27016$%h1.10156874@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 "Rob Buxton" <rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz> wrote in message) news:3c5f1911.1170543@news.wcc.govt.nz...o >f > Very true... >n? > I saw an article in a PC mag that was talking about Clusters.s > H > It stated that a Cluster that used a Lock Manager to control access to" > a common resouce could not work! > What chance have we got? > H > It seems that we're in a world where a regression from what we had can  > be marketed as a new feature!. >.H > I had VMS on a desktop Alpha, NT came along and trumpeted a multi-user" > OS on the desktop...  errrrr so? >cC > I ran RDB on a mixed architecture cluster, concurrent access fromsC > multiple machines, Oracle 9i is gloating about concurrent access.  >    It's the MARKETING...d   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 15:35:38 -0800l% From: scada@cyberunlimited.org (Jeff)r= Subject: Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file.e< Message-ID: <39ac55d0.0202041535.c83d3d3@posting.google.com>  N I am trying to FTP to an IBM AS/400 and I am only able to transfer 9068 bytes.M It will transfer a larger file, but truncate everything after 9068 bytes. HasnM anyone else come accross this problem? I am using VMS 7.1 on an Alpha System.eG We can send large files from our PC's to the AS/400, but not the Alpha.o  0 If anyone has any sugestions, please email me at   scada@cyberunlimited.org    	 Thanks...m   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 03:02:23 GMTn4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>A Subject: Re: Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file. 0 Message-ID: <3C5F4A1B.4E0346A4@blueyonder.co.uk>   Jeff wrote:( > P > I am trying to FTP to an IBM AS/400 and I am only able to transfer 9068 bytes.O > It will transfer a larger file, but truncate everything after 9068 bytes. HasVO > anyone else come accross this problem? I am using VMS 7.1 on an Alpha System. I > We can send large files from our PC's to the AS/400, but not the Alpha.l > 2 > If anyone has any sugestions, please email me at >  > scada@cyberunlimited.org  C What IP stack and version are you running? I have seen similar withc8 some ECO's of UCX 4.1, but you need to supply more info.   >  > Thanks....   -- n Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  m  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of n! my employers or service provider.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 03:32:56 GMTn- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> A Subject: Re: Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file.0* Message-ID: <3C5F55D8.1080506@qsl.network>   Jeff wrote:j  P > I am trying to FTP to an IBM AS/400 and I am only able to transfer 9068 bytes.O > It will transfer a larger file, but truncate everything after 9068 bytes. HasNO > anyone else come accross this problem? I am using VMS 7.1 on an Alpha System.-I > We can send large files from our PC's to the AS/400, but not the Alpha.i    H What TCP/IP program and FTP program are you using?  And what versions /  ECOs..  H Have you checked for a file allocation limit quota on the IBM side that ' limits the received file to 9068 bytes?8  * Are you sending in BINARY or ASCII format?  @ You may have to get someone experienced with the AS/400 to help.  H Are you able to send large files from the OpenVMS System to it self and  to other hosts?S    B2 > If anyone has any sugestions, please email me at >  > scada@cyberunlimited.org     Ask here, get answer here.     -Johnl   wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only5   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:49:57 +0100:B From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk>) Subject: Re: Pathworks/MS Network probleme. Message-ID: <3C5F0205.A7063800@mail.danbbs.dk>   Carl Karcher wrote:z\ > In a previous article, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> wrote:2 > ->  VMS Alpha 7.2-1, PathWorks 6.0B, PDC ARNELAN7 > ->  Win9x, PathWorks 7.1A, logon workgroup not domaint@ > ->  WinNT 4.0 SP6A, PathWorks 7.1A, logon workgroup not domain > ->? > ->I logon the Win9x systems just fine as user "arne" passwordi3 > ->"foobar". No problems - drives get mapped fine.O > ->I > ->I login the WinNT system as local user "arne" with password "foobar".sI > ->No problems. But when I try to map the drives as user "\ARNELAN\arne"?E > ->then it does not work with password "foobar", but it do work withlF > ->password "FOOBAR". So every time I logon the NT box I have to giveD > ->the password in lowercase to NT and in uppercase for the shares. > ->! > ->And I do not understand why !b > B > NT cares about the case of passwords and Windows 9x doesn't. I'mH > guessing here but it sounds like you've set the password for user arneG > to "FOOBAR" in the SAM database (admin modify user arne/pass=foobar).2J > The SAM database preserves case of passwords. If you change the passwordH > for user arne to "foobar" using: admin modify user arne/pass="foobar",> > then you should get the same behavior on both Win 98 and NT.  
 It worked.   Thanks.   A I still do not understand the logic. Does the plain text passworda? get send out to the clients or do Win9x and WinNT use differentA' authentication services on the server ?e   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 03:55:47 GMTt- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t) Subject: Re: Pathworks/MS Network problem * Message-ID: <3C5F5B34.9000902@qsl.network>   Arne Vajhj wrote:   > Carl Karcher wrote:s > B >>NT cares about the case of passwords and Windows 9x doesn't. I'mH >>guessing here but it sounds like you've set the password for user arneG >>to "FOOBAR" in the SAM database (admin modify user arne/pass=foobar).wJ >>The SAM database preserves case of passwords. If you change the passwordH >>for user arne to "foobar" using: admin modify user arne/pass="foobar",> >>then you should get the same behavior on both Win 98 and NT. >  > It worked. > 	 > Thanks.  > C > I still do not understand the logic. Does the plain text passworddA > get send out to the clients or do Win9x and WinNT use differentn) > authentication services on the server ?f    E The clients and servers negotiate how they pass the password.  Plain rG text passwords are not passed from the newer clients unless a registry S, or equivalent configuration setting is made.  E Windows 9x uses the older encryption that is not case sensitive, and -? Windows NT uses case sensitive variant.  The Windows NT domain n: controller stores both password hashs in the SAM database.  B If you are curious, the SAMBA 2.0.6 source code is on the OpenVMS 6 Freeware 5.0 CD-ROM.  It implements both hash formats.   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:44:34 -0500:2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)< Subject: Re: PIDs of processes created during system startupJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0402022344350001@1cust56.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  @ In article <a3mfb5$2sn$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com> wrote:(  F >Got a curiosity here that I've not been able to come up with a reasonI >for.  We had a DS20e, dual processor, OVMS 7.2-1, SYS V1 patch, that hasuE >consistently started up with all the processes showing external PIDsiI >starting at 200 for some time.  After an AUTOGEN where some changes wereeI >made (nothing I would expect to make a change like that... ACP parameterTH >bumps, QUANTUM reduced to 10, and normal tuning changes) the subsequentB >reboot had everything come up starting at PID 100.  Everything isI >running fine, so its just a matter of curiosity.  Unfortunately my IDSMsiB >are not currently available, and there didn't seem to be anythingA >relevant in the FAQ or other readily accessible source.  Thanks!   # As long as you're just curious, ok.   F Whatever answers you find, you can't count on them being the same fromF release to release.  IIRC, there are various bit fields encoded in theF PID, and they move around sometimes.  Trying to find, and make use of,$ patterns in PIDs is not a good idea.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:34:14 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>< Subject: Re: PIDs of processes created during system startup2 Message-ID: <a3nqti$ro4$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net>  J Not a problem.  We're not _using_ the PIDs for anything, and I have Hoff'sL cautions concerning the opacity of the PID well memorized.  It was just thatL we can find no reason for the change when every past boot had SWAPPER at PIDH 201, and now its at 101, with subsequently created processes rising fromE that number.  There was no upgrade, no patch installations, just some * tune-ups and an AUTOGEN to implement them.  L I didn't have the chance to check the VAXCLUSTER parameter on that node, butK since I've got the printout of MODPARAMS.DAT in hand and it sets VAXCLUSTERpL to 0, I don't think it could have been turned on.  In any case every clusterL node I've seen sets bits in the upper word of the external PID (my VAX showsF 2020xxxx and the Alpha in the same cluster shows 2040xxxx); this was a! change from 000002xx to 000001xx.M    % Robert Deininger wrote in message ...aA >In article <a3mfb5$2sn$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Rich Jordan"g  ><rjordan@mindspring.com> wrote: >eG >>Got a curiosity here that I've not been able to come up with a reasoniJ >>for.  We had a DS20e, dual processor, OVMS 7.2-1, SYS V1 patch, that hasF >>consistently started up with all the processes showing external PIDsJ >>starting at 200 for some time.  After an AUTOGEN where some changes wereJ >>made (nothing I would expect to make a change like that... ACP parameterI >>bumps, QUANTUM reduced to 10, and normal tuning changes) the subsequentyC >>reboot had everything come up starting at PID 100.  Everything istJ >>running fine, so its just a matter of curiosity.  Unfortunately my IDSMsC >>are not currently available, and there didn't seem to be anythinglB >>relevant in the FAQ or other readily accessible source.  Thanks! >r$ >As long as you're just curious, ok. >rG >Whatever answers you find, you can't count on them being the same fromnG >release to release.  IIRC, there are various bit fields encoded in theeG >PID, and they move around sometimes.  Trying to find, and make use of,t% >patterns in PIDs is not a good idea.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:43:33 +0100 From: zessin@decus.des< Subject: RE: PIDs of processes created during system startup* Message-ID: <00A091A1.46F58150.2@decus.de>   Rich Jordan wrote:K >Not a problem.  We're not _using_ the PIDs for anything, and I have Hoff's M >cautions concerning the opacity of the PID well memorized.  It was just thatiM >we can find no reason for the change when every past boot had SWAPPER at PIDiI >201, and now its at 101, with subsequently created processes rising from F >that number.  There was no upgrade, no patch installations, just some+ >tune-ups and an AUTOGEN to implement them.   @ Did any of your 'tune-ups' result in a decreased MAXPROCESSCNT ?  6 There are 1 or 2 'cycle counters' included in the PID.I One is on the 'left' side and increased when a node in a cluster reboots.bF The other is 'somewhere' in between and is increased when that processB slot is reused. It's width can grow when MAXPROCESSCNT is reduced,3 because less bits are required on the 'right' side.    --
 Uwe Zessin   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:59:39 +0100r/ From: "Haimo ZOBERNIG" <Haimo.Zobernig@cern.ch>-/ Subject: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu command 6 Message-ID: <20020204.195938.1884661237.10739@cern.ch>   Hello,  B On a OpenVMS/Alpha V6.1 system, one of our users has the following; problem when starting up mail (plain mail, not DECwindows): ? It is apparently impossible to issue the set queue command fromL within mail$init.s   $ show queue/full aa_textnC Printer queue AA_TEXT, idle, on NODE01::NLP6:, mounted form DEFAULTo)   <LPD queue on nn.nn.nn.nn aa_text_real>sJ   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] @   /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)   $ sh log mail$init=    "MAIL$INIT" = "DISK$USER:[AA]MAIL.INI" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE))     $ type mail.inid set queue aa_texti-  ... (other commands like define/key omitted),   $ mail   You have 9 new messages.2 %MAIL-E-PARSEFAIL, error parsing set queue aa_textF -CLI-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  8 Does anyone on c.o.v see what could be the problem here?   --  G Haimo G. Zobernig                                  tel   +41 22 7677361 G Univ. of Wisconsin                                 fax   +41 22 7678370  c/o CERN Bld. 32 R-A02G 1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland                email Haimo.Zobernig@cern.ch0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:25:00 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>i3 Subject: Re: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu command-2 Message-ID: <3C5EE00C.424A260C@firstdbasource.com>  B That is because you only need to execute that command one time (orA whenever you want to change it.  It is not one of the listed mailn
 commands.   ! In mail type: help mail_commands S  G any commands listed here will work... set que is not one of them.  This- would need to be done manually.    Haimo ZOBERNIG wrote:  >  > Hello, > D > On a OpenVMS/Alpha V6.1 system, one of our users has the following= > problem when starting up mail (plain mail, not DECwindows):vA > It is apparently impossible to issue the set queue command fromk > within mail$init.  >  > $ show queue/full aa_textsE > Printer queue AA_TEXT, idle, on NODE01::NLP6:, mounted form DEFAULT!+ >   <LPD queue on nn.nn.nn.nn aa_text_real>eK >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]fB >   /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_LPD_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) >  > $ sh log mail$init? >    "MAIL$INIT" = "DISK$USER:[AA]MAIL.INI" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)e >  > $ type mail.inio > set queue aa_text,/ >  ... (other commands like define/key omitted)  >  > $ mail >  > You have 9 new messages.4 > %MAIL-E-PARSEFAIL, error parsing set queue aa_textH > -CLI-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > : > Does anyone on c.o.v see what could be the problem here? >  > --I > Haimo G. Zobernig                                  tel   +41 22 7677361oI > Univ. of Wisconsin                                 fax   +41 22 7678370I > c/o CERN Bld. 32 R-A02I > 1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland                email Haimo.Zobernig@cern.ch2   -- 8   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comy President/Sr. DBA Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)l 704-236-4377 (Mobile)e   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 23:27 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)W3 Subject: Re: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu commando, Message-ID: <4FEB200223271103@gerg.tamu.edu>  3 "Haimo ZOBERNIG" <Haimo.Zobernig@cern.ch> writes...rC }On a OpenVMS/Alpha V6.1 system, one of our users has the followingr< }problem when starting up mail (plain mail, not DECwindows):@ }It is apparently impossible to issue the set queue command from }within mail$init. }  }$ mailo }  }You have 9 new messages.i3 }%MAIL-E-PARSEFAIL, error parsing set queue aa_textfG }-CLI-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spellingc } 9 }Does anyone on c.o.v see what could be the problem here?i }  }-- H }Haimo G. Zobernig                                  tel   +41 22 7677361  F You don't need to put this in the ini file. It is stored in the user'sD mail profile and is therefore remembered automatically. The ini fileB should be used only for things that don't get stored in the user's profile.  5 Just set it from inside mail once and it'll stay set.t   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:37:57 -0600f From: fwheeler@csc.com6 Subject: Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows keys...9 Message-ID: <OFEE01FF88.84F1747F-ON86256B56.006BA38E@com>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >-B > I've just finished the USB keyboard and mouse input decoders for
 X11/Motif.K > And while I'm in here, I think I'll actually generate something for those J > pesky 3 extra keys on keyboards designed for windows (I'll do it for the! > current PS2 keyboards as well).n
 8< snip... 8=3G > The keys, BTW, are the ones that look like the flying MS Windows logoa (thereH > is a left and right) as well as the one that looks like a menu with an arrow @ > on it (i.e. like you are selecting something from a pulldown). >tD > The USB definitions for these are left and right GUI and "Keyboard > Application".s >  > Any opinions out there?m  J I don't know what the UNIX mappings are, but FWIW, that looks-like-a-menu-G with-an-arrow key is called an APPLICATION key according to a MicrosoftaH Product Support Services (!) document that was given to me by one of ourK Windows For Children support folk at my site. The document, "Using ShortcutRE keys for the desktop, My Computer, and Windows Explorer" says one can3 "DisplayK the [selected] item?s [sic] shortcut menu" by pressing the APPLICATION key.t  I The reader is further warned that, "You can use the APPLICATION key [iconoH pictured here] with a Microsoft Natural Keyboard or any other compatible, keyboard that includes the APPLICATION key."  , I hope this at least helps with tecnobabble.  > /Scott Wheeler * Computer Sciences Corporation * Fort Worth TX? (No APPLICATION keys were used in the making of this mailgram.)/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:27:28 -0500t0 From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@compaq.com> Subject: Re: RPC "Hello"* Message-ID: <3C5EEEB0.63BD5081@compaq.com>   arturo saavedra wrote: ... I > Is there an easy way to send a "hello" RPC message from VMS?  I need toiD > test the functionality of an RPC Server running on a NT machine by/ > sending a status check every once in a while.0  E That should be a relatively easy thing to write.  If you have the DCE M Application Developer's Kit (needed for building RPC applications), there aresM several examples in SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DCE.RPC].  You only need theeM Developer's Kit for the system where you write the application, not where youeN deploy it.  The RPC (and the rest of the DCE) Runtime needs no special license to run.r   	Wayne Morrisonv 	former DCE Project Leader   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 20:39:07 -0800.) From: john@ossc.net (John Gemignani, Jr.)  Subject: Re: RPC "Hello"= Message-ID: <35b06b78.0202042039.6192a715@posting.google.com>e  b Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<3C5EEEB0.63BD5081@compaq.com>... > arturo saavedra wrote: > ... K > > Is there an easy way to send a "hello" RPC message from VMS?  I need togF > > test the functionality of an RPC Server running on a NT machine by1 > > sending a status check every once in a while.r > G > That should be a relatively easy thing to write.  If you have the DCE O > Application Developer's Kit (needed for building RPC applications), there areaO > several examples in SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DCE.RPC].  You only need thetO > Developer's Kit for the system where you write the application, not where youiP > deploy it.  The RPC (and the rest of the DCE) Runtime needs no special license	 > to run.i >  > 	Wayne Morrisont > 	former DCE Project Leader  J Should be several RPC/XDR examples in TCPIP$EXAMPLES, the [RPC] directory.   -John05 Returned to TCP/IP Services after yet another hiatus.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 16:16:03 -0800a, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin)! Subject: Re: Selling VMS licensese= Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0202041616.13dd233e@posting.google.com>O   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in message news:<rdeininger-2701021151330001@1cust91.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>...> > In article <e9cbc4f2.0201161124.c60d97c@posting.google.com>,/ > mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin) wrote:  >  > H > >I still have this computer but I am running Oracle and need more thanG > >the 128mb the box came with. Unfortunately memory (MSP01-FC, -FD) is,! > >$400 for an additional 128mb. s > G > For cheaper alpha memory upgrades, consider buying used memory and/oro > 3rd-party memory.n > K > I have had very good experiences with memory from Clearpoint on a varietyo; > of alpha (and Vax) systems.  You can find contact info atiL > www.clearpoint.com . There are various other vendors who can supply memory > for alpha systems.  C Thanks for the pointer. I talked to Jeff Sullivan at Clearpoint andhE his prices for brand new memory were the best I've found; even betterrF than used. The price for the 256MB was less than half of what the used MSP01-FD modules are going for.a   Bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:21:30 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>u( Subject: Re: setting the record straight2 Message-ID: <agB78.407$am1.21583@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3C5AD30B.B4FBE467@videotron.ca>...c8 >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  wrote:+ > Organization: Compaq Computer Corporation/ >sJ >> OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi's andw5 >> genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer?i >>J >> Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with him. >i >r >Mr Kleinsorge,i >sF >If you are going to start to use such words doing personal attacks, I suggest0J >you add a big disclaimer that dissociate yourself from your employer that is >identified in your message. >e  L I stand by it.  You and Bill have an agenda.  It is predicated on the beliefL that Compaq management is incompetent, or have some hidden agenda associatedI with Microsoft, and which will result in the eventual termination of VMS.eL You believe that advocating that everyone abandon, or otherwise cease buyingG new VMS systems until such time that management at Compaq repents or iss	 replaced.   H Hey, I don't agree with it.  However, when you and Bill believe that theJ appropriate level of discussion about an OS, and it's company's managementJ is somehow equated with Nazi Germany and Genocide - then you opinion is noE longer interesting to me.  Somehow, I don't think my employer will befJ interested in it either.  If you want to prattle on with Bill, please feel free.o   >Secondly, what do you prefer: >aI >-some customers who are very worried about the future of VMS and want toy >discuss what CompaqK >is doing, which includes discussing the problems with Compaq's handling oft VMS  >s  H You are not discussing anything.  Your rhetoric indicates that you don'tL believe that discussion is fruitful, or that any response from Compaq can beG trusted.  You and Bill advocate a guerilla tactic to get others to stopOG purchasing new VMS systems.  Bill isn't a user or a customer.  Are you?n   >ori >OI >-customers who "flake off" at your request and leave you alone, but tell0 all C >their customers/employers that they should stay away from Compaq ?  >p  A No.  I asked *you* and Bill to "flake off".  When you begin doing2H comparisons to TRUE human horrors, like Nazi Germany, and Genocide - you< lose any standing for your opinions to be worth considering.   >oH >For someone whose job is dependant Compaq continuing to develop VMS,  I findK >it quite odd that you would have such a reaction.  Considering that you'vecJ >already seen your peers at Alpha and compilers sold off to companies theyK >wouldn't have chosen to work for, I am quite surprised that you would feeln soJ >secure that you'd have no problem insulting those customers who fear that yourE >job  and try to find ways to convince Compaq to start promoting VMS.r >i  L I don't see you trying to convince Compaq to start promoting VMS.  I see theK Bill & JF show as having nothing but a downside.  It won't convince "Compaq G Management" to do anything, but if you do succeed in reducing VMS salescH significantly - you could help hasten the end you say you want to avoid.  E I don't make the decisions here.  I can either leave, or I can try tosJ understand and accept those decisions.  Despite the short-term problems in? the Alpha decision, I think that long term it is the right one.t  K >Fine, I will leave you alone. But don't expect ANY sympathy in a few years,L >when you are sold to Microsoft. I won't even bother telling you "I TOLD YOUK >SO". And meanwhile I will silenty become in the second class of people who$B >have "flaked off" and do tell customers to avoid anything Compaq.  I Then try to raise your rhetoric above the Nazi's and Genocide comparisonst which are used in this" context purely as a way to incite.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:48:58 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s( Subject: Re: setting the record straight, Message-ID: <3C5EE5A3.BFB06990@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:D > I don't see you trying to convince Compaq to start promoting VMS.   E I have done much more than you know over the years to promote VMS. MydM frustration is that *I* have lost business because I can no lonfer pitch VMS  J BECAUSE OF YOUR EMPLOYER.  If you cannot understand that, then tough luck.  K I won't feel any sorrow when your job is transfered to some other company ,xP the same way that Alpha and compiler engineer's were. And the faster the better.  M Meanwhile I suggest you continue to keep your head in the sand and watch onlygI those positive memos that show individual sales of VMS to give yourself at false sense of security.  " > I don't make the decisions here.  M But you post from a Compaq account. Insulting customers the way you did, fromaF a compaq account, is not proper, no matter what the customer has said,K especially since, in my case, I have not made any personal attacks nor made B any references to nazis or germany a you accuse me of having done.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:20:53 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ( Subject: Re: setting the record straight2 Message-ID: <R7C78.411$am1.31018@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3C5EE5A3.BFB06990@videotron.ca>...r >hI >But you post from a Compaq account. Insulting customers the way you did,, fromG >a compaq account, is not proper, no matter what the customer has said,oL >especially since, in my case, I have not made any personal attacks nor madeC >any references to nazis or germany a you accuse me of having done.f  I Somehow, asking you to "flake off" with Bill doesn't appear to me to be a " personal attack.  However, I took:  I "If a governmnent had plans to kill off all citizens by slowly increasingt dosestK of poison in food so that the folks wouldn't really notice until it was toopJ late, wouldn't you should out as loud as you could the minute you realised  what the government was up to ?"  E to be a continuation and affirmation of Bill's deplorable comparison.a  % If it wasn't, then accept my apology.I   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:30:53 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>t( Subject: Re: setting the record straight2 Message-ID: <dhC78.412$am1.31815@news.cpqcorp.net>  L At least JF indicates that he does make some or part of his living with VMS.H I can understand his frustration, even if I disagree with the tactics he believes will effect change.  E I'm not asking to sweep anything under a rug, but you want no part ineH rational discussion - it's pretty clear when the comparisons start to beI made with Nazi's and Genocide.  You want some sort of admission of guilt,-? dispatching of the guilty, and a trip in the wayback machine...i  H Tell you what:  I did it.  I'm guilty.  You were right about everything.L Heck, I think I'm about 1/16th German, so maybe it was in the genes.  Sorry.G I won't do it again.  Mr. Peabody has the wayback machine all ready forr you... step right in.m       Bill Todd wrote in message ... > A >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messagem, >news:BKz68.340$am1.6906@news.cpqcorp.net...J >> OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi's >and5 >> genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer?= >>J >> Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with >him.T >IG >Hmmm.  Did I miss your appointment as c.o.v. censor somewhere?  If so,AF >please provide a reference; if not, I suggest you consider addressingJ >Compaq's serious functional problems rather than castigate those who justI >try to make sure they're not swept under the rug - since I doubt that JFV (oruI >anyone else) will pay any more attention to your suggestion above than Io >will. >  >- billt >p >l >h   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:14:53 GMT1* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: setting the record straightB Message-ID: <xJD78.121814$iX5.8175783@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:agB78.407$am1.21583@news.cpqcorp.net... >h? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3C5AD30B.B4FBE467@videotron.ca>... : > >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>  wrote:- > > Organization: Compaq Computer Corporationy > > L > >> OK.  We've hit the bottom.  Bill and JF now have now trotted out Nazi's > ando7 > >> genocide.  Need these threads continue any longer?_ > >>L > >> Bill, until you actually become a customer... flake off.  JF... go with > him. > >d > >e > >Mr Kleinsorge,  > > H > >If you are going to start to use such words doing personal attacks, I	 > suggestsL > >you add a big disclaimer that dissociate yourself from your employer that > is > >identified in your message. > >e >e > I stand by it.  I Then I guess I'll be a bit more picky than I was in my other response anduJ point out that you didn't even get your reference right.  The comparison II made was not to Nazis (though they had a part in the situation I referredTL to) but to the attitude of the good Pastor Niemoller.  As such, the parallelL was a good one:  he got screwed as a result of diverting his eyes as long asK possible from an accumulating wealth of evidence of misbehavior (because it,K didn't yet directly affect him), and that's exactly what keeps happening toaH portions of the VMS customer base who have refused to stand firm and sayH "Enough, already!" countless times in the past when first DEC's and thenJ Compaq's actions haven't been *quite* sufficiently maddening to cause them to bolt themselves.   >   You and Bill have an agenda.  It is predicated on the beliefC > that Compaq management is incompetent, or have some hidden agendaE
 associatedK > with Microsoft, and which will result in the eventual termination of VMS.cG > You believe that advocating that everyone abandon, or otherwise cease/ buyingI > new VMS systems until such time that management at Compaq repents or is- > replaced.i >e > Hey, I don't agree with it.-  K You obviously don't even understand it.  The most glaring characteristic ofjG Compaq's management is that they are completely untrustworthy (the term2E 'weasels' was used internally by the Alpha engineering group, and wassE entirely appropriate):  they break repeated, firm, public commitmentsnI without negotiation, and lie about the reasons for doing it to attempt topJ make the (highly questionable) decision more palatable (though even if oneG accepted the lies at face value they would in no way have justified thea2 unilateral way in which the decision was reached).  J While there appears to be plenty of out-right incompetence as well, that'sG at least a potentially rectifiable problem - though not as long as they I refuse to listen.  In sum, the situation appears to be the classic one of H having to use a 2x4 to get the mule's attention - after which one can at least try to talk.  -   However, when you and Bill believe that thetL > appropriate level of discussion about an OS, and it's company's managementL > is somehow equated with Nazi Germany and Genocide - then you opinion is no > longer interesting to me.0  I When you read your own meanings into what you read, your opinions of themkH aren't interesting to me, either.  I suspect you care as little about my interest as I do about yours.j  ,   Somehow, I don't think my employer will be > interested in it either.  J Since it wasn't directed to your employer, the relevance of that statement is not obvious.o  2   If you want to prattle on with Bill, please feel > free.   J The strange thing is that you seem to think you have any influence in thisH matter:  we'll of course do exactly as we see fit, independently of yourL blessing above.  Perhaps when you understand this you'll find something moreC productive to do (recent posts have indicated that the XFC fix plusoA something else of some interest are still dangling, for example).    >   > >Secondly, what do you prefer: > >aK > >-some customers who are very worried about the future of VMS and want to  > >discuss what CompaqJ > >is doing, which includes discussing the problems with Compaq's handling of > VMS  > >  > " > You are not discussing anything.  I We're at least trying.  It's Compaq which has said absolutely nothing newmL since last June, despite the serious questions raised about numerous details8 of the decision and its purported reasons for making it.  (   Your rhetoric indicates that you don'tK > believe that discussion is fruitful, or that any response from Compaq cand be
 > trusted.  J While taking anything Compaq says on faith would be really, really stupid,H Compaq could still to a lot to clear the air by discussing in detail theJ questions that have been raised about its reasons for cutting Alpha off at
 the knees.  ?   You and Bill advocate a guerilla tactic to get others to stop0I > purchasing new VMS systems.  Bill isn't a user or a customer.  Are you?l  E You keep acting as if you were in a position to determine who gets to L participate in this discussion based on whether you think they're 'entitled'F to (based on some criteria which you have not offered up for comment).   >e > >or  > >sK > >-customers who "flake off" at your request and leave you alone, but tellr > allfE > >their customers/employers that they should stay away from Compaq ?C > >i >iC > No.  I asked *you* and Bill to "flake off".  When you begin doingEJ > comparisons to TRUE human horrors, like Nazi Germany, and Genocide - you> > lose any standing for your opinions to be worth considering.  F And now you think you're entitled to determine whose opinions have any standing.  My, my.   >e > > J > >For someone whose job is dependant Compaq continuing to develop VMS,  I > findF > >it quite odd that you would have such a reaction.  Considering that you'veL > >already seen your peers at Alpha and compilers sold off to companies theyH > >wouldn't have chosen to work for, I am quite surprised that you would feel > soL > >secure that you'd have no problem insulting those customers who fear that > yourG > >job  and try to find ways to convince Compaq to start promoting VMS.y > >  >dC > I don't see you trying to convince Compaq to start promoting VMS.l  L And because you're omniscient, that must mean we haven't, right?  Both of usE participated actively in the many-months-long effort two years ago tosI develop and explain a strategy to help Compaq leverage VMS along with the'H rest of its portfolio, including a meeting (and subsequent interactions)K with Rich Marcello and his staff when Curly punted us over to him (for what J in retrospect are pretty obvious reasons:  Curly wasn't interested, having made his own plans already).     I see the E > Bill & JF show as having nothing but a downside.  It won't convincen "CompaqtI > Management" to do anything, but if you do succeed in reducing VMS sales J > significantly - you could help hasten the end you say you want to avoid.  H Hastening the end of Compaq (which, given how important VMS revenues andK especially profits are to it seems a real possibility) would be fine, since0K the pieces could then be acquired by someone more competent.  Or creating a0H situation where Compaq decided to spin off VMS could also be a win.  TheK only down-side risk is what seems very likely will happen anyway if nothingnJ significant changes:  haven't you been listening to Curly, Winkler, Carly,J and <some other HP honcho whose name I've forgotten) talking about how the= future is Windows and Linux (plus a temporary dash of HP/UX)?t   >oG > I don't make the decisions here.  I can either leave, or I can try tooL > understand and accept those decisions.  Despite the short-term problems inA > the Alpha decision, I think that long term it is the right one.   K For that to be credible, you first have to provide some convincing evidenceaI that Itanic isn't destined to wind up on the trash heap of history sooneruG rather than later (because it doesn't do *anything* commercially usefulf< nearly as well, with as little power, or as inexpensively asI already-existing competition, let alone Hammer and later Alphas).  If you L leap that hurdle, the next job is to convince people that higher-end serversL (where something like Hammer may never quite take over) benefit so much fromI 'industry-standard' processors that having to use a *lot* more of them tolA achieve a given level of performance is no problem - since that's H effectively the rationale Compaq used to declare Alpha unnecessary.  AndI finally you have to convince people that Itanic will actually achieve thegJ volumes (which means massive low-end penetration - you can't get this kindG of volume in mid-range-and-up servers) necessary to bring its unit costtD (including repayment of the billions of dollars already spent on itsJ development) down to a level where the Alpha development cost burden would- have made Alpha unable to compete price-wise.   K Compaq's strategy is built on clay.  If they're lucky, they'll survive as a C PC company plus IA32 servers - but I suspect their high-end serversn" (possibly excepting Tandem) won't.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:37:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h( Subject: Re: setting the record straight, Message-ID: <3C5F1B3A.2CB71421@videotron.ca>  M Mr Todd, it has become clear to me that those remaining VMS customers are notOL worried and do not want to discuss the future of VMS. We are clearly a smallH minority who are worried about its future and when even those ex-DigitalM employees who will lose most when VMS is downsized out of existence feel veryoE comfortable with HP/Compaq's policies with regards to VMS, then it is ! pointless to argue in this forum.e  L > While there appears to be plenty of out-right incompetence as well, that'sI > at least a potentially rectifiable problem - though not as long as they  > refuse to listen.y  N Compaq's higher management are not incompetent. They have a long term goal andH are working towards it. They've even got some VMS engineers feeling veryJ comfortable with that plan, so why should anyone worry ? And Compaq's longN term strategy matches that of HP so nothing should change when HP gets what isH left of Digital. Can two companies really be wrong with such a long term
 strategy ?  M as far as IA64 is concerned, If Apple was able to keep PowerPc alive, then HPkL will be able to keep IA64 alive. IA64 is HP's proprietary baby with an IntelD label on it. It doesn't really matter if nobody else buys into IA64.  L We know what happened when Digital decided to transform itself into a wintelJ company. And if Compaq and HP want to do the same, who are we to stop/slow them from doing so ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 05:21:37 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: setting the record straightC Message-ID: <BZJ78.198250$vH6.13699996@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>f  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C5F1B3A.2CB71421@videotron.ca...   ...   G > > While there appears to be plenty of out-right incompetence as well,w that'sK > > at least a potentially rectifiable problem - though not as long as theyt > > refuse to listen.c > L > Compaq's higher management are not incompetent. They have a long term goal anda > are working towards it.e  I You couple the preceding two sentences as if the first somehow guaranteedcJ the second, whereas it's entirely possible for one to have a goal and workJ toward it without being in the least way competent (e.g., because the goalB is a really stupid one and/or one's efforts to reach it are wholly
 ineffective)..   ...t  G > We know what happened when Digital decided to transform itself into ac wintelL > company. And if Compaq and HP want to do the same, who are we to stop/slow > them from doing so ?  I I don't know about you, but I'm someone who got monumentally disgusted athB Compaq's perfidy in unilaterally breaking its long-standing publicK commitments to Alpha and the lies it floated to try to justify it.  While IzJ wouldn't say that destruction of Compaq's current management is a specificA goal of mine, I sure as hell intend to make an effort to keep itsr@ machinations exposed for what they most definitely appear to be.  J If people have a problem with that, they should encourage Compaq to engageL in the discussion rather than remain as aloof to customer concerns after theI Alphacide as it was while plotting it (and while I'm not a customer therehJ are plenty who are who have voiced these concerns) - since I don't plan onC going away any time soon in the absence of some major change in the # situation Compaq created last June.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 01:30:04 -0500m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u( Subject: Re: setting the record straight) Message-ID: <3C5F7BE7.7FB43@videotron.ca>o   Bill Todd wrote:K > I don't know about you, but I'm someone who got monumentally disgusted atoD > Compaq's perfidy in unilaterally breaking its long-standing publicE > commitments to Alpha and the lies it floated to try to justify it. a  L But we're not allowed to voice our discontent here. Remember that Compaq hasJ portrayed that move to be a very positive move that will reduce its costs,E consolidate onto a single platform (replacing alpha with ia64 doesn't-C eliminate 8086 nor strongarm but we're not allowed to notice this).g  K Compaq has statistics that show that its customers are very happy with this.L move and don't feel betrayed at all. You and I are the only cynical ones. AsN long as Wall Street believes Compaq's claims, then we don't stand a chance. AsM long as the SEC keeps its eyes closed, then Compaq's management will get awayoN with hiding the subsidies that VMS, Alpha, Tru64 and Tandem make to the wintelN servers, allowing Compaq's management to pretend that their wintel business isN doing better than reality, and helping their justification for their long term focus on wintel crap.k    N What took Palmer 6 years, took Capellas just a couple of years. Now, Compaq isJ weak and without  market leadership and has sought survival of some of itsH limbs under HP. And just as Compaq got to slash a lot of Digital's stuffD before and after its acquisition, HP is doing the same. Prior to itsH acquisition, HP got Capellas to get rid of Alpha and Tru64. And once theN acquisition is done, HP will kill off a lot of what is left of Compaq in order  to achieve the promised savings.  H When Compaq got Digital, one of the first things to go was the Kanata PCM manufacturing plant, even thought it was the most efficient in north america. N Compaq is where Digital was. HP will take what it wants and dump the rest. AndL if Compaq's VMS employees are happy and comfortable, it means that they haveF the confidence that their upper management will protect VMS during the integration with HP.     Who are we to worry ?   ) Whataver is planned for VMS will happen. l  7 What is the point of trying to slow down that process ?e  H Compaq's (and HP) upper management are fully aware of what the plan is.   M Bringing the potential results of their policies to their attention will onlyoI result in sufficient lip service to shut us up. And they can also producedH those statistics that show that the vast majority of their customers are perfectly happy.  I To quote some untrustable Compaq exec, I have seen religion, thanks to MreD Kleinsorge. If we stop our complaining, it will allow Compaq's upperM management to act with greater ease and proceed with their long term plans at  a greater pace.   L Tough luck to those who chose to remain blind to what is going to happen. IfL they dislike our warnings, why should we continue to try to convince them of what is really happening ? h  N And you know, it won't make a damned difference. If Compaq/HP were to announceM VMS as a mature product tomorrow, you'd still get Alpha sales for quite a fewyF years because customers will still need to increase capacity for theirM remaining VMS infrastructure until they have finished porting to Solaris/IBM.oM So there is no real harm for customers to keep their eyes closed. Once Compaq-J makes public its true intentions with VMS, those customers will still have plenty of time to move off VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 19:36:30 GMT 7 From: woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com (Michael Woodacre)cN Subject: Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems. Message-ID: <a3mnru$93kj7$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>  d In article <3C5C5B9B.EDFD9276@yahoo.commercial>, Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> writes:" |> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.208.23" |> X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net[ |> X-Trace: news2.nash1.tn.home.com 1012685797 68.47.208.23 (Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:36:37 PST) 3 |> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:36:37 PSTrM |> Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/fastere- |> Xref: fido.engr.sgi.com comp.os.vms:329113  |> u |> "Main, Kerry" wrote:  |> > yI |> > mmm... re: SGI loyalty to its users - amazing how marketeers like tos |> > rewrite history eh ?d  I There's no doubt that SGI execs (now departed) of the mid/late 90's gave  H customers heartburn with unclear messaging but I think it's been pretty G consistent in recent times, and this has been backed up by the products / being delivered over the last couple of years.    J We have lots of loyal MIPS/IRIX customers who are happy with their systems and like our future roadmapl   |> > h3 |> > >>> SGI introduces the concept of loyalty. <<<t |> >  ) |> > Reference - articles from the past :t |> > m |> s  |> Let's add fuel to the fire...  B If you want Fuel, please check out www.sgi.com/workstations/fuel, ' I think you can buy some Fuel there ;-)s   |>  5 |> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/23708.html B |> "Exclusive Silicon Graphics Inc has transferred much of its 3D , |> graphics patents portfolio to Microsoft." |> ...D |> "SGI insisted at the time these are "non core" technologies, but H |> sources close to the Mountain View are emphatic that these represent G |> the bulk of SGI's 3D intellectual property assets, a view confirmed t+ |> by documents disclosed to The Register."r |> tK |> So, if they gave up a bulk of their 3D, what's left? Just expensive PCs?i  J As you might expect when deals are done between companies, there are oftenL clauses that prevent disclosure of the details. The register is free to comeL up with whatever interpretation it wants on such issues. No offical responseN is likely. I think the recent announcements of new graphics products show SGIs9 commitment to continued innovation in the graphics arena.f  Q SGI doesn't make or sell expensive PC's anymore. Thankfully the current executivetQ team are smarter than that. Our last quarters financial results show that despite X lots of people wanting to write off SGI, SGI is far from finished. Check out www.sgi.comS for the latest in graphics products launched last week. Of course there is the moreaN 'boring' server side with continued upgrades to the Origin server line, which W Professor Stephen Hawking turned to when he has to deal with 'big' problems - check outt1 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020115/sftu015_1.html'   Cheers,t Mike     |> e |> --  |> Ed Wensell IIIdH |> NetBSD/Alpha at home - Solaris/SPARC at work - OpenVMS in a past lifeD |> E-mail address is valid if you know the appropriate bits to drop. |> t
 |> wibble?   --      Michael S. Woodacre r woodacre@sgi.com       ------------------------------    Date: 05 Feb 2002 04:07:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>N Subject: Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems- Message-ID: <871yg1qadq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>,  3 Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> writes:   E > So, if they gave up a bulk of their 3D, what's left? Just expensive  > PCs?  > The Visual Workstation went some time ago. Sad, it should have< been the future PC. So unless you class an Ocane as a PC, or an Origin... ;)s   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 13:20:22 CDTy= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.120519.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell)sN Subject: Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems. Message-ID: <pwXlhPX$Y5qK@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  d In article <3C5C5B9B.EDFD9276@yahoo.commercial>, Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> writes: >  > Let's add fuel to the fire...m > 4 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/23708.htmlA > "Exclusive Silicon Graphics Inc has transferred much of its 3D  + > graphics patents portfolio to Microsoft."l > ....C > "SGI insisted at the time these are "non core" technologies, but  G > sources close to the Mountain View are emphatic that these represent  F > the bulk of SGI's 3D intellectual property assets, a view confirmed * > by documents disclosed to The Register." > J > So, if they gave up a bulk of their 3D, what's left? Just expensive PCs? >     L What *is* it with the computer world?  It appears everyone and his dog givesG the family jewels to billy, not just digital and compaq.  Has anyone inoJ recorded history ever received *anything* of value *from* billy in return?     -- eO ===============================================================================BM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx,: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eO ===============================================================================m= Society Lady:  Are you familiar with the great wall of China?I5        Curly:  No, but I know a big fence in Chicago!a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:15:10 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems> Message-ID: <2CE78.26988$%h1.10116939@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  J "Wayne Sewell" <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.120519.killspam.00c7> wrote in message( news:pwXlhPX$Y5qK@tachxxsoftxxconsult...  H > What *is* it with the computer world?  It appears everyone and his dog gives I > the family jewels to billy, not just digital and compaq.  Has anyone in-L > recorded history ever received *anything* of value *from* billy in return?  J Nope, but hey, if the trade press and the Wall Street folks and the Armani= Analysts say it's a Good Thing, then it must be a good thing.f  - IBM learned early when it got burned on OS/2.r  E Most of those who subsequently bellied up to the Billybar to become aa/ Microsoft Business Partner became organ donors.l  " The one notable exception is SUNW.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 15:53:13 -0800u( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)N Subject: Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202041553.3e8a9b93@posting.google.com>e  m woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com (Michael Woodacre) wrote in message news:<a3mnru$93kj7$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>...af > In article <3C5C5B9B.EDFD9276@yahoo.commercial>, Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> writes:$ > |> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.208.23$ > |> X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net] > |> X-Trace: news2.nash1.tn.home.com 1012685797 68.47.208.23 (Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:36:37 PST)l5 > |> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:36:37 PST)O > |> Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/fasterU/ > |> Xref: fido.engr.sgi.com comp.os.vms:329113  > |> h > |> "Main, Kerry" wrote:  > |> > aK > |> > mmm... re: SGI loyalty to its users - amazing how marketeers like toh > |> > rewrite history eh ?  > K > There's no doubt that SGI execs (now departed) of the mid/late 90's gave sJ > customers heartburn with unclear messaging but I think it's been pretty I > consistent in recent times, and this has been backed up by the productsg1 > being delivered over the last couple of years. t > L > We have lots of loyal MIPS/IRIX customers who are happy with their systems > and like our future roadmapp >   H hardware is nothing w/o good software ... why don't you buy vms, then we will buy your systems!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:13:23 GMTs4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>N Subject: Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems> Message-ID: <DsF78.27015$%h1.10158104@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  D > woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com (Michael Woodacre) wrote in message* news:<a3mnru$93kj7$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>... > >yF > > We have lots of loyal MIPS/IRIX customers who are happy with their systems  > > and like our future roadmape > >  > J > hardware is nothing w/o good software ... why don't you buy vms, then we > will buy your systems!  J Software Tool and Die, the ISP I signed up with back in 1994, uses a PowerJ Challenge server running IRIX. Other than a couple of upgrade hiccups, theL only availability issue I've ever experienced with Software Tool and Die wasI related to a power failure in the Boston suburbs... STD apparently didn't0; have battery backup. IRIX seems pretty darned stable to me.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:16:39 +01003/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>e' Subject: Re: Systems & Options Catalogst4 Message-ID: <VA.0000052c.004da283@bluewin.delete.ch>   In article  A <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75004BC5CBA@rlghncst625.usps.gov>, n! William W Raleigh, NC Webb wrote:y > Offered as one lot.w >  > First one to provide me with   > prepaid shipping and address o > gets 'em.e >  > 2 - Jan 1995 > 1 - Nov 1997 > 1 - Apr 1998 > 1 - Jan 1999 > =============================   2 And I'll offer another couple, on a similar basis.  G 1. Systems and Options Catalogue, European Edition. Autumn/Winter 1990 e1 (a picture of a VAX 6000-500 system on the front)n  6 2. VAX Software Source Book. Fifth Edition, July 1988.   ___d
 Paul Sture Switzerlandm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:47:35 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>' Subject: RE: Systems & Options Catalogsa- Message-ID: <0033000050879668000002L082*@MHS>t  % =0AI'll split up the two Jan 1995s ifl" that makes a difference to anyone.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETI' Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 2:25 PMwB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET' Subject: RE: Systems & Options Catalogsh    
 In article@ <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75004BC5CBA@rlghncst625.usps.gov>,! William W Raleigh, NC Webb wrote:o > Offered as one lot.o >  > First one to provide me with > prepaid shipping and address > gets 'em.e >r > 2 - Jan 1995 > 1 - Nov 1997 > 1 - Apr 1998 > 1 - Jan 1999H > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D  2 And I'll offer another couple, on a similar basis.  F 1. Systems and Options Catalogue, European Edition. Autumn/Winter 19901 (a picture of a VAX 6000-500 system on the front)w  6 2. VAX Software Source Book. Fifth Edition, July 1988.   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland=   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:52:45 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>n' Subject: RE: Systems & Options CatalogsgT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4016CE965@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   re: SOC archives ..e  D Also, for those that were not aware, there are lots of older SOC and@ quick spec archives available in pdf and WORD file format at the following location:y  A http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/SOC_Archives/80766.htmld  H http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/SOC_Archives/SOC_Archives.HTML   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----6 From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch] Sent: February 4, 2002 2:17 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu' Subject: Re: Systems & Options Catalogs     
 In article=20iC <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75004BC5CBA@rlghncst625.usps.gov>,=20s! William W Raleigh, NC Webb wrote:e > Offered as one lot.p >=20! > First one to provide me with=20l! > prepaid shipping and address=20e > gets 'em.a >=20 > 2 - Jan 1995 > 1 - Nov 1997 > 1 - Apr 1998 > 1 - Jan 1999 > =aL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D  2 And I'll offer another couple, on a similar basis.  I 1. Systems and Options Catalogue, European Edition. Autumn/Winter 1990=20e1 (a picture of a VAX 6000-500 system on the front)-  6 2. VAX Software Source Book. Fifth Edition, July 1988.   ___i
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:57:47 -050041 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>w Subject: Re: TCPIP lpd2 Message-ID: <3C5ED9AB.63C0849B@firstdbasource.com>  G Some of the logicals are binary in nature.  I believe that what you areA? seeing is the fact that it is indeed enabled and you would need F something that can translate the binary in the logical to something inB ASCII.  Now, do you need to know how to actually get it to work?     Toine Dirven wrote:s >  > Hello, > ? > We have a logical name TCPIP$LPD_ENABLE on our alpha machine.t > We use TCPIP version 5.1.t >  > "TCPIP$LPD_ENABLE" = ".1.."t > % > Can anyone tell me what that means.h >  > Thank you. -- f   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comv President/Sr. DBA Consultant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:10:44 -0500s. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>* Subject: UAF quotas too high, a bad thing?. Message-ID: <3C5F06E3.4542FD2B@pressenter.com>  F I was using DECamds the other day and looking at some of the processesH on my computer. There were several processes that weren't using anywhereF near their allocated quotas. Like pgflquo, set at 8,000,000, and neverH using more then 2Mil. Fillm set at 1000, and never using more than 10 or 12.s  H My question, is this a bad thing? Having these, and other quotas set farH higher than actually used, is that a detriment to performance? Either on* a process-by-process basis or system wide.     Thanks in advance,   Lyndon -- uG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myr	 employer.e    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 19:47:12 GMTo= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818)t# Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMSe+ Message-ID: <a3mog0$kou@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>e  e In article <e6751970.0202041021.36ebd3bb@posting.google.com>, arobert@mfs.com (Andrew Robert) writes: 
 >Hi everyone,o >  > 
 >Just an FYI,l >eB >I was able to get Veritas NetBackup client for VMS v3.2 and patch# >v3.4GA installed without incident.  >e3 >The problem now to get the thing to backup a disk.  >nF >My Unix Admin added a test class called "Test_VMS", a schedule called) >"full" and a client type of Sun Solaris.t  F         I guess this'll sound dumb, but why would you specify a clientF         type of Sun Solaris when a client type of Alpha OpenVMS is theE         appropriate response?  The Client Type specifies what kind of E         CLIENT you're backing up, not what kind of server your Master          /Media server(s) are.e  J         I do vaugely remember that one had to hand-enter the values.  JustL         type "Alpha OpenVMS" (at least one space is required, and the quotesH         are mine) in the Hardware and Operating System box when adding a         client.o    M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+mN | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          |rM | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          |aM | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         |tM | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       |eM | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | M | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            |cM | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      |3M +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+ 9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999]o3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a> oJ <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   --	       /"\7#       \ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN !        X        AGAINST HTML MAILt	       / \@   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:48:02 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o; Subject: Re: VMS booted on Itanic according to The Inquireri2 Message-ID: <hxC78.415$am1.33292@news.cpqcorp.net>   Bill Todd wrote in message: <7QB68.234249$QB1.17149506@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... >e >>H >> Q: Is this a reference to the "mad engineer" work rumours circulatingI >> as far back as May 2001 even before the Alphacide? Or is this an earlyvF >> boot of the main Itanium code port stream. If so, very well done in >> only 6 months.i >t> >See Fred's response.  Richard is clearly 'way out to lunch... >i  J Or the "reporter" (in quotes on purpose) doesn't believe in being precise,? or doesn't have a clue about what he is being told, and lackingfK understanding of what he is hearing "interprets" it to mean something else.   I I'd tend to believe the latter.  That is, this guy is later was quoted as/> saying that a Tru64 developer in COV (me?) disputed the claim.  I As far as I know, I've never been a Tru64 developer, and doubt they spend" much time here.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 06:43:16 +0100n1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>eJ Subject: Where's Alpha savings going (was Re: setting the record straight)5 Message-ID: <3C5F70F4.2DCF7374@swissonline.delete.ch>h  0 Fred Kleinsorge wrote (among some other things): >  ....G > I don't make the decisions here.  I can either leave, or I can try toeL > understand and accept those decisions.  Despite the short-term problems inA > the Alpha decision, I think that long term it is the right one.  >   A This triggered a thought - can you tell us where the cost savingshE associated with the transfer of Alpha to Intel are being spent (or ifi they are being spent) ?   H Are they being spent mainly on the Tru64 & OpenVMS (seeing how they wereF products financially supporting Alpha) ?  If so, what general kinds of) downstream services should we be seeing ?      thanks   John McLeane   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:18:01 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>  Subject: X windows documentation. Message-ID: <3C5F0899.20EB1588@pressenter.com>  ; Reading through the Motif programming, X window programming D documentation, there are a couple of issues.. It seems some of it isH only available with Bookreader. That's OK, I've got that and can use it.  H Other documentation doesn't seem to be available electronically at all.   F Namely, the OSF/Motif Programmer's Reference, among others.. Are these! still available in hard-cover...?c  E Does anybody have these manuals, and could get me the ISBN numbers? I8! could then order them for myself..  H And does anybody have good recomendations on documentation/books to buy.     THanks in advance,   Lyndon   -- .G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myt	 employer.o    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:25:09 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>$ Subject: Re: X windows documentation2 Message-ID: <a3nq87$vls$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  I There was a post a few weeks ago that the O'Reilly X/Motif books had beenuL updated and were available to download; I presume that means they may not beL printed again.  Volume 6A (Motif Programming Manual) and 6B (Motif ReferenceC Manual) V2.1 can reportedly be had in PDF, and Unix Framemaker fromxH http://www.ist.co.uk/NEWS/archive/motifbooks.html if I got the referenceL correct.  You can supposedly also download the Motif 1.2 books from O'Reilly	 in TROFF.l    E Lyndon Bartels wrote in message <3C5F0899.20EB1588@pressenter.com>...s< >Reading through the Motif programming, X window programmingE >documentation, there are a couple of issues.. It seems some of it iscI >only available with Bookreader. That's OK, I've got that and can use it.t >sH >Other documentation doesn't seem to be available electronically at all. >nG >Namely, the OSF/Motif Programmer's Reference, among others.. Are thesea" >still available in hard-cover...? >oF >Does anybody have these manuals, and could get me the ISBN numbers? I" >could then order them for myself. >oI >And does anybody have good recomendations on documentation/books to buy.  >  >t >THanks in advance,p >r >LyndonI >p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:45:40 -0500: From: shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix)Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com=. Message-ID: <lrdm3a.jeh.ln@escape.shannon.net>  D In article <Zv578.4657$3E5.376480@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,- William Meyer <wmhmeyer@earthlink.net> wrote:hI > "Charles Shannon Hendrix" <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in messagea* > news:h1ji3a.j21.ln@escape.shannon.net... > >=< > > And WE are perfectly happy to let you lay claim to that. > J > Might as well be, as the southern English patois in America is descended- > rather cleanly from the Queen's own tongue.-  G ..among other things, yes.  I've always heard that the incomprehensible C Tangier Islanders are speaking English as it was 300-400 years ago, B it's just that the rest of us, England included, have all changed.   > Bill >  >      -- e  H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:22:30 +0000/ From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley)aY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comi) Message-ID: <m1nm3a.c93.ln@teabag.cbhnet>i  = According to Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@widomaker.com>:dI > ..among other things, yes.  I've always heard that the incomprehensibleTE > Tangier Islanders are speaking English as it was 300-400 years ago,uD > it's just that the rest of us, England included, have all changed.  @ I've heard that theory a few times, but I don't really buy it as> England has distinct regional accents, and has done for, well,C forever probably.  If there'd been a significant change, I would'veoA expected probably one homogenous accent to have developed, rathere? than for *all* regional accents to have changed but still to be8@ often undecipherable to someone of another region as is the case today.   Chris.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:03:11 GMTC' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>sY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqC) Message-ID: <3C5EFCDB.41B0F906@yahoo.com>    Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > F > In article <Zv578.4657$3E5.376480@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,/ > William Meyer <wmhmeyer@earthlink.net> wrote:cK > > "Charles Shannon Hendrix" <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in messagen, > > news:h1ji3a.j21.ln@escape.shannon.net... > > >e> > > > And WE are perfectly happy to let you lay claim to that. > >aL > > Might as well be, as the southern English patois in America is descended/ > > rather cleanly from the Queen's own tongue.a > I > ..among other things, yes.  I've always heard that the incomprehensibleeE > Tangier Islanders are speaking English as it was 300-400 years ago,yD > it's just that the rest of us, England included, have all changed.  A Backwoods Quebec used to be that way - much closer to 1700 Frenchr6 than present day.  I believe that has largely changed.   -- h@ Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.,=    (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified)n0    mailto:uce@ftc.gov  (for spambots to harvest)   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2002 17:53:04 -08000. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)Y Subject: [OT] Other cool Windows shortcuts (was Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows key.= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0202041753.1e08efd9@posting.google.com>t  \ Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote in message news:<3C59302C.705147E0@theblakes.com>... > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > : > > I don't suppose any of this is documented anywhere...? >  > I found these on the web:s > 1 >   Windows key = Displays taskbar and Start menuv- >   Windows key + E = Starts Windows Explorer , >   Windows key + F = Finds files or folders- >   Ctrl + Windows key + F = Finds a computere+ >   Windows key + M = Minimizes all windowss9 >   Shift + Windows key + M = Undoes Minimize All Windows 1 >   Windows key + R = Displays the Run dialog box-: >   Windows key + Tab = Cycles through the taskbar buttons> >   Windows key + Break = Displays the System Properties sheet    E I especially like Windows + Break. Beats the mouse people every time!   D The shortcuts listed above can be found in the cheat sheet that Dell- provides with its otherwise cruddy keyboards.   A A better shortcut for minimizing all windows is Windows + D. ThisiC toggles between all open and all minimized and minimizes even those D pesky sub-window dialog boxes that Windows + M leaves open. (Win + DB is documented in Windows 98 SE Help.) Forget Win + M; use Win + D.  > If someone could tell us a way to get to the system tray via a/ keyboard shortcut, I'd be greatly appreciative.   D Another cool shortcut: This is for MS 2000 apps: Press Alt to get toE the menu bar. Then press Contorl-Tab and it puts you in the icon bar!b
 Very cool.  A Also, in the Save As dialog box (and similar dialog boxes), presssE Alt+<n> where <n> is the number part of the n'th icon in the icon bartE on the upper right and it's as if you clicked that icon! For example,aD if you want the third icon, press Alt+3. (You can also just tab over8 to there and use the arrow key to move among the icons.)  C In MS-DOS, cd ... goes up two levels. cd .... goes up there levels,NA etc. (Only on some versions of MS-DOS! See c:\windows\tips.txt inD Windows 98 SE, e.g.)   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanv afeldman;gfigroup.comN   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 03:19:27 GMTh4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>Y Subject: Re: [OT] Other cool Windows shortcuts (was Re: Question - those pesky MS Windows=0 Message-ID: <3C5F4E41.9783276C@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  a > C > A better shortcut for minimizing all windows is Windows + D. ThisuE > toggles between all open and all minimized and minimizes even those F > pesky sub-window dialog boxes that Windows + M leaves open. (Win + DD > is documented in Windows 98 SE Help.) Forget Win + M; use Win + D.  J thanks for that, I have the open window after Win + M "problem" sometimes.  K I just found the descriptions in Win98 help too. Just so intuitive comparedAJ to good ole VMS. Instead of typing Help, you have to press START then HELP or press Win + F2 :=).  9 Open Windows help and search for "Using the Windows key".c   regardsv   --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  e  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of _! my employers or service provider.c   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.069 ************************