0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 06 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 72      Contents: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number  Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number 3 Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal 3 Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal 3 Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal 3 Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal 3 RE: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal  Re: Any news on fix for XFC ? ! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there ! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there ! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there ! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there ! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there ! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there  Anyone using Gembase here ? * Archive 2150S (and/was: Zip disks and VMS) Backup suggestion (noalias)  Re: Bridgeworks & DCE  Company Merger* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenD Re: DECnet Phase V doesn't recognize node 0 with object access; huh?D Re: DECnet Phase V doesn't recognize node 0 with object access; huh? Re: DECNET Problem Re: Deleting ACCOUNTNG.DAT file - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?  Re: DS10 on a KVM  Re: DS10 on a KVM  Re: DS10 on a KVM  Re: DS10 on a KVM  Re: Dxterm displayed on Solaris  Re: Dxterm displayed on Solaris  Re: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!! P FREE 5-Day "mini-course" and eBook Helps You to Create Value, Find New Opportuni Re: FREEWARE 5.0 Galaxy help!!!!  Re: Galaxy help!!!!  Re: Galaxy help!!!!  Good auditing practice.  Re: Image Backup speed Re: Image Backup speed Re: INITIALIZE a big disk  interrupt state CPU activity  Re: interrupt state CPU activity LAN 3.0 for 7.2-1 Weirdness 0 Re: Logicals defined for all process of one user Re: Lottery Systems  Re: Lottery Systems  Re: Lottery Systems  MAIL BROADCASTs  RE: MAIL BROADCASTs  Re: MAIL BROADCASTs 0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month Paging vs swapping Re: Paging vs swapping Re: Paging vs swapping Re: Paging vs swapping* Re: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu command Queue & stock quandary Re: Queue & stock quandary Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight E Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems  Re: STR$ELEMENT usage - Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium schedule - Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium schedule - Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium schedule + US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position  VMS tour guides in the UK  Re: VMS tour guides in the UK  Re: VMS tour guides in the UK  Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:34:04 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> $ Subject: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number; Message-ID: <01KDYIXXYCTU8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>    Does anyone know what       %C-F-EBADF, bad file number    * means?  HELP/MESSAGE doesn't say anything.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:43:13 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk> ( Subject: Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file numberA Message-ID: <1013017408.5152.0.nnrp-14.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   J as a rough *guess* I would think that the fid in the header does not match the FID on the disk.   Anal/disk/repair.    It should turn up as lost   F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KDYIXXYCTU8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...  > Does anyone know what  >   >    %C-F-EBADF, bad file number > , > means?  HELP/MESSAGE doesn't say anything.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:52:32 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> < Subject: Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal; Message-ID: <01KDYAU8E3C28Y62A4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H > 1. I believe there's an environmental variable at console level to set0 > the type of terminal on Alphas. Something like >  > >>>SET CONSOLE SERIAL    Right.  H > from the console prompt. Granted, you're having difficulty getting the# > console port to respond at all...   B Indeed.  What was the point in having the console chosen this way + instead of via a switch like the S3 switch?   F > 2. Have you tried all baud rates with the VT420? Should be 8-bit, noE > parity, but could be any baud rate. Applies equally to the use of a C > terminal emulator or console mgmt product as per previous poster.    Any baud rate?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 05:35:06 -0800 - From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell) < Subject: Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal= Message-ID: <9f261edc.0202060535.1388b942@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KDYAU8E3C28Y62A4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...J > > 1. I believe there's an environmental variable at console level to set2 > > the type of terminal on Alphas. Something like > >  > > >>>SET CONSOLE SERIAL  >  > Right. > J > > from the console prompt. Granted, you're having difficulty getting the% > > console port to respond at all...  > D > Indeed.  What was the point in having the console chosen this way - > instead of via a switch like the S3 switch?  > H > > 2. Have you tried all baud rates with the VT420? Should be 8-bit, noG > > parity, but could be any baud rate. Applies equally to the use of a E > > terminal emulator or console mgmt product as per previous poster.  >  > Any baud rate?  C What's your point exactly, Phillip? These are SUGGESTIONS as I made @ clear. Do you have any suggestions which might help this person?   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:58:16 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> < Subject: Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal; Message-ID: <01KDYLVLT9PK8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   E > What's your point exactly, Phillip? These are SUGGESTIONS as I made B > clear. Do you have any suggestions which might help this person? > L > > > 1. I believe there's an environmental variable at console level to set4 > > > the type of terminal on Alphas. Something like > > >  > > > >>>SET CONSOLE SERIAL  > > 
 > > Right. > > L > > > from the console prompt. Granted, you're having difficulty getting the% > > console port to respond at all...  > > F > > Indeed.  What was the point in having the console chosen this way / > > instead of via a switch like the S3 switch?   H Normal thread evolution.  While not relevant to the particular problem, I I just wanted to ask what the motivation was for setting the console via  H the console itself and not via a switch, for the reason mentioned above.  J > > > 2. Have you tried all baud rates with the VT420? Should be 8-bit, noI > > > parity, but could be any baud rate. Applies equally to the use of a G > > > terminal emulator or console mgmt product as per previous poster.  > >  > > Any baud rate?  I I was thinking that 9600 is the "preferred" or "supported" setting, so I  + was wondering if any baud rate would be OK.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:45:42 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk> < Subject: Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminalA Message-ID: <1013017557.5226.0.nnrp-14.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   $ consoles are usually 9600 8-bit none  B S3 I think switches from the graphics device to the serial device.  L IFAIK it was for 3100 servies VAX which could be a VAXstation (graphic) or a microVAX (no graphics device)   F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KDYAU8E3C28Y62A4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... J > > 1. I believe there's an environmental variable at console level to set2 > > the type of terminal on Alphas. Something like > >  > > >>>SET CONSOLE SERIAL  >  > Right. > J > > from the console prompt. Granted, you're having difficulty getting the% > > console port to respond at all...  > C > Indeed.  What was the point in having the console chosen this way - > instead of via a switch like the S3 switch?  > H > > 2. Have you tried all baud rates with the VT420? Should be 8-bit, noG > > parity, but could be any baud rate. Applies equally to the use of a E > > terminal emulator or console mgmt product as per previous poster.  >  > Any baud rate? >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:57:51 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>< Subject: RE: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminalM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D01602775@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>   & This may apply, then again it may not.  H I have a 4100 setup with a VT510 for a console.  (9600 baud, 8 data bit, no parity, XON/XOFF on COM1)  D I had a similar problem, and had to call in Compaq Field Support to A troubleshoot.  We found reseating cards in motherboard to resolve B a situation where no console output was being put out to the VT510! eventhough the system would boot.    :) jck   > -----Original Message-----D > From: David McKenzie [mailto:david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk]- > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:46 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal >  > & > consoles are usually 9600 8-bit none > D > S3 I think switches from the graphics device to the serial device. > @ > IFAIK it was for 3100 servies VAX which could be a VAXstation  > (graphic) or a > microVAX (no graphics device)  > H > "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message7 > news:01KDYAU8E3C28Y62A4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... @ > > > 1. I believe there's an environmental variable at console  > level to set4 > > > the type of terminal on Alphas. Something like > > >  > > > >>>SET CONSOLE SERIAL  > > 
 > > Right. > > 6 > > > from the console prompt. Granted, you're having  > difficulty getting the' > > > console port to respond at all...  > > E > > Indeed.  What was the point in having the console chosen this way / > > instead of via a switch like the S3 switch?  > > > > > > 2. Have you tried all baud rates with the VT420? Should  > be 8-bit, no= > > > parity, but could be any baud rate. Applies equally to   > the use of aG > > > terminal emulator or console mgmt product as per previous poster.  > >  > > Any baud rate? > >  >  > 
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadway  Albany, NY  12204  USA  518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com   ) I post personal opinion only, and all the * disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s). + One should also take note of the Electronic ) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, which + imposes civil and criminal liability on any ( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:06:10 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> & Subject: Re: Any news on fix for XFC ?1 Message-ID: <3C610E22.5B5FFD98@BlueBubble.UK.Com>    Marty Kuhrt wrote:   > [... snip snip ...]  > < > There are three third party disk caching products that can? > give you the same performance boost and have been working for 
 > years...H >   - PerfectCache from Raxco (the one caching product I didn't support)A >   - CacheManager from Symark (don't know if Symark exists, now) ) >   - I/O Express from Executive Software  > G > All three are/were clusterwide, block level, use any available memory H > caching products.  When I started working on I/O Express over a decadeE > ago, it was very solid.  When I stopped working on caching products D > when I left Symark five years ago, it was still solid and had some > added features.  >  > Need it now?  Go third-party.   L 'fraid not.  They cost real money, and this particular project has no budget? for add-ons.  I'll simply wait until the XFC fix gets released.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:58:13 +0000 , From: Mark Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net>* Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there- Message-ID: <3C60FE35.4D864BE5@ukhackers.net>    Terry,  _ Thanks for that..However I was unable to locate anything other than the SCSI ID selector to the \ rear of the drive and it was already configured for use with some old Sun kit at our office.  ` Now I'm beginning to rue the day I removed VMS 6.2 (with Rdb) and replaced it with NetBSD (which: I could have used via remotely mounted filesytems anyway).   Terry Kennedy wrote:  4 > Mark W J Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net> writes:_ > > Having just purchased my hobbyist CD for my VAXSstation 4000 VLC I've borrowed a PLEXTOR CD ] > > from work in order to try to install VMS on the machine. Sadly, as as I found in one post ^ > > on a newsgroup, this drive goes offline (%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER) just after I issue the backup1 > > command to install the base VMS072.A saveset.  > Q >   Look at the back of the drive for a jumper marked "block size". This controls P > whether the drive reports a 2048-byte block size (most applications) or a 512-O > byte block size (VMS and Sun systems). Change it to the other setting, power- ! > cycle the drive, and try again.  > 6 >         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com4 >         terry@tmk.com             New York, NY USA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:59:10 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> * Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there1 Message-ID: <3C610C7E.B9B53803@BlueBubble.UK.Com>    Mark W J Redding wrote:   ] > Having just purchased my hobbyist CD for my VAXSstation 4000 VLC I've borrowed a PLEXTOR CD [ > from work in order to try to install VMS on the machine. Sadly, as as I found in one post \ > on a newsgroup, this drive goes offline (%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER) just after I issue the backup/ > command to install the base VMS072.A saveset.  > [ > Is there anyone on this newsgroup in the London or Cambridge area who could possibly loan G > me a DEC CD drive (the RRD43 is the one I used when I worked on VMS).  > b > Failing this, does anyone know of an alternative method of installing VMS. I have a Linux systemY > (and can get a FreeBSD) system that I've used in the past to install NetBSD/VAX on this [ > machine via the ethernet adapter. Is there a way to read/extract the files from the CD on Q > another system that would allow me to boot ESA0 and carryout the image restore.  > U > thanks in advance for any help (and sorry for any bad formatting, that's Netscape).   ) Mark, I can loan you a suitable CD drive.   ^ I'm in the village of Great Chesterford, near Saffron Walden, 10 miles due south of Cambridge.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:43:01 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>* Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there8 Message-ID: <px988.722$yK.18691@iad-read.news.verio.net>  . Mark Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net> writes:a > Thanks for that..However I was unable to locate anything other than the SCSI ID selector to the ^ > rear of the drive and it was already configured for use with some old Sun kit at our office.  J   It may be in a non-Plextor enclosure in that case, Open up the drive box8 and look at the jumpers on the back of the actual drive.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com2         terry@tmk.com             New York, NY USA   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 15:52:10 GMTb1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)E* Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there, Message-ID: <a3rjfa$1dt6$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  8 In article <WC288.716$yK.18192@iad-read.news.verio.net>,+  Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:i |>R |>   Look at the back of the drive for a jumper marked "block size". This controlsQ |> whether the drive reports a 2048-byte block size (most applications) or a 512- P |> byte block size (VMS and Sun systems). Change it to the other setting, power-" |> cycle the drive, and try again. |>    E Query:  Why is it that I have never had to do this with any CD I haveuG used even though all of them have been used on a collection of hardware D that included - PC's (running various OSes), VAX/VMS, Sparc (SolarisG and SunOS), SGI/IRIX, MAC (Legacy M68K)??  I am not even aware of thereDJ being such a jumper on any of the CD drives I have - a Sony, some Toshiba,D a Yamaha (actually, a CDR, but works on all the above as just a CD.)   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:13:31 GMTl From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG * Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there0 Message-ID: <00A09287.C63E42F5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <a3rjfa$1dt6$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:9 >In article <WC288.716$yK.18192@iad-read.news.verio.net>,a, > Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes: >|>aS >|>   Look at the back of the drive for a jumper marked "block size". This controlseR >|> whether the drive reports a 2048-byte block size (most applications) or a 512-Q >|> byte block size (VMS and Sun systems). Change it to the other setting, power- # >|> cycle the drive, and try again.o >|>  >rF >Query:  Why is it that I have never had to do this with any CD I haveH >used even though all of them have been used on a collection of hardwareE >that included - PC's (running various OSes), VAX/VMS, Sparc (SolarispH >and SunOS), SGI/IRIX, MAC (Legacy M68K)??  I am not even aware of thereK >being such a jumper on any of the CD drives I have - a Sony, some Toshiba,eE >a Yamaha (actually, a CDR, but works on all the above as just a CD.)G  F Curios... What Yamaha model?  I have two and neither will allow itselfF to be used as a CDrom under VMS.  Not that I need them to be used as a CDrom but just wondering.m   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMM            oJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbeso   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:38:25 GMTS" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>* Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there1 Message-ID: <BKe88.3769$A3.19399@typhoon.bart.nl>h  L You might try a Pioneer DR-U12X. These Pioneer drives are old (12 speed) and reasonably pricedh9 (mine was free). And the y come with the 512/2048 jumper.xD Worked flawlessly on a VAXstation 3100/GPX, hardware model type 149. VMS boots from it.   Hans  ; Mark W J Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net> wrote in message0' news:3C606AE3.D3BA5EED@ukhackers.net...@G > Having just purchased my hobbyist CD for my VAXSstation 4000 VLC I'veg borrowed a PLEXTOR CD6 >yI > from work in order to try to install VMS on the machine. Sadly, as as If found in one postn > K > on a newsgroup, this drive goes offline (%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER) just after I  issue the backup >:/ > command to install the base VMS072.A saveset.s >fG > Is there anyone on this newsgroup in the London or Cambridge area who  could possibly loanr >4G > me a DEC CD drive (the RRD43 is the one I used when I worked on VMS).  > L > Failing this, does anyone know of an alternative method of installing VMS. I have a Linux system  > F > (and can get a FreeBSD) system that I've used in the past to install NetBSD/VAX on this >@L > machine via the ethernet adapter. Is there a way to read/extract the files from the CD on > H > another system that would allow me to boot ESA0 and carryout the image restore. >eJ > thanks in advance for any help (and sorry for any bad formatting, that's
 Netscape). >r > -- > Mark W J Redding >1H > Chaos reigns within.  Reflect, repent and reboot.  Order shall return. >d >d >s   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:03:43 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>$ Subject: Anyone using Gembase here ?@ Message-ID: <20020206160343.11007.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  & We still  developing in Gembase before the arriving of SAP R/3 ...e. after a delay one year, we'll need to upgrade / outr Alpha 4100 to an Es-45 because  the numberS# of systems and users is growing up.    Just curious...   + Is Anyone using the Gembase Thin Client ??? & I didnt read all the documentation yet& but there is a way to develop for  Web too...   Did Anyone do that ?   Regards    FC d   =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazils fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?1 Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!s http://greetings.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 04:57:12 -0800I) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)a3 Subject: Archive 2150S (and/was: Zip disks and VMS)l= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0202060457.49d11cad@posting.google.com>i  = "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message f > Paul Repacholi wrote:o> > > I ran a 164PC with its page file one a ZIP drive ;) It was > 1 > http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.htmlf  a> I'm running a PC164 with a ZIP (SCSI) drive (as I type this on> the same machine using Mozilla 0.9.7 that I'm about to replace2 with 0.9.8 in about 10 mins time) - no problems...  > Disk $1$DKA500: (HILUX), device type IOMEGA ZIP 100, is online  ? PCDISK with DOS formatted ZIP disks though "needs looked at"...p   $ mc pcdiskG PCDISK V6.0m PCDISK> use a: dk500:eE %PCDSHR-F-NOMEM, Insufficient memory for allocation of file or device-  B Anyway... today someone asked me if I could read a QIC150 tape. I E remembered that I had such a thing in one of the cardboard boxes thatc& represent my trash collection at home.  D On my Linux Alpha PC164 using a Tekram DC390 it works just fine (ie: drive is not broken).l  % I just tried it on this computer and:l   $ mou/for mkb200" %MOUNT-F-DRVERR, fatal drive error  B This is true of putting it both on the KZPAA and the narrow bus ofD the Adaptec Ultra160 controller (which it is currently on (mkb200)).  E Magtape HILUX$MKB200:, device type ARCHIVE VIPER 150 21531, is onliner  H I will most likely be able to read the users tape on the Linux box (even( if it is M$ format using mtf)... BUT....  E This drive has a certain (reminiscent of a TU58) quality and *FUZZY*/ G *CUTE* sounds that I just can't ignore (I know it's more an early 1990s H UNIX icon than anything to do with OpenVMS) - but wish to make it a part of my VMS computer.r  H David, in your URL concerning ZIP drives you have a modified/modify yourG own section - any ideas on what to do with "non - "DEC"" SCSI tapes ???h   Many thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:56:21 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e$ Subject: Backup suggestion (noalias), Message-ID: <3C617C50.AFF82253@videotron.ca>  L In trying to figure out why BACKUP would consistently access violate as soonF as it is dismounted the 2nd tape and requested the 3rd one, ("resumingK operations on volume 3" then access violate), I started to read the HELP todP see if perhaps my backup procedures dating back from 5.5-2 needed to be updated.    I The documentation on BACKUP /ALIAS is clear as to whether the contents ofu* files are backed-up multiple times or not.  M However, what is not clear in the on-line help is whether specifying /NOALIASAK still results in the file entries to be backed-up and restored. Perhaps the  text could be clarified.   (VMS 7.2 on VAX).r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:58:58 +0100m= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s Subject: Re: Bridgeworks & DCE) Message-ID: <3C611A82.8CED5ECA@gtech.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:b > In article <tvWr$9C2Sf8e@malvm6.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:G > >    Seems to me the obvious solution then is to put up a site ( likehI > > the hobbyist license site ) that would let one download free licenseswG > > for such products that are good for 1 year. By tracking the initialeG > > requests and renewals they'd get an excellent indication of who hade9 > > some interest and who was actually using the product.s > D > Nobody is going to bet their business on a license that expires inA > one year and might not be available in the future.  The currentnE > version of software must continue to work for any business-criticaln > component.  A Maybe just a release date but no termination date in the license.6  A If there are a will to solve the problem, then I think a suitableo solution can be found.   Arne   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:01:20 -0500 (EST): From: "marketing@aboutjcmorris.com" <cmprn111169@gm20.com> Subject: Company MergerWD Message-ID: <600793.1012996880641.Kada.Kada1(pc-72)@email2.gm20.com>  ) ------=_Part_262221_4060826.10129968806415 Content-Type: text/plain+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printables  L YOU ARE RECEIVING THIS EMAIL BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN PRODUCT=L S THAT WE CAN SAVE YOU MONEY ON.  IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE REMOVED FROM OUR =L MAILING LIST PLEASE CLICK THE UNSUBSCRIBE LINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS EMAIL.=8  WE CAN ASSURE YOU THAT YOU WILL BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY. =09=092 IImportant Announcement from J.C. 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ISS anyone?t  # Live long and prosper (us AND VMS).g   Dave...e: "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:VTjkYgcDBVeG@eisner.encompasserve.org...(5 > In article <fov1dFxodoqR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:oH > > In article <elA78.405$am1.17264@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: K > >> Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change the logo to ao nice > >> VMS "shark" logo. > >>F > >> If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm serious,A > >> so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.I > >)8 > >    The shark would be great.  Looking forward to it. > 3 > So Fred, what can we do to "vote for" the shark ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:05:04 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen:, Message-ID: <3C61542F.74BBA5AB@videotron.ca>   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > K > I would respect the Aussies comment on the shark.  Most of us landlubbers , > see sharks on TV and aquariums (big ones).  J Funny has Australia has a thriving scuba diving industry and a big part of? that include swimming with the sharks. (been there, done that).   / One has to find something to fight the penguin.i  I Now, if HP really wanted to please its remaining customers, they'd have a A picture of Palmer's head just in front of the mouth of the shark.R  C Of course, for the last version of VMS on Alpha, they should have 2d6 tombstones. One with RIP-Alpha, and with with RIP VMS.  N What would be the exact birthdates for Alpha and VMS ? (first boot in a lab or first commercial shipment ?)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:36:13 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>3 Subject: RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screend- Message-ID: <0033000051327330000002L002*@MHS>o    =0AI posted this on 29-SEP-2000: Subject line was% "RE: Shark x Penguin :THE REAL STORY"d   ###t  = I passed this back to a couple of folks at Compaq, and lo andV= behold, one of them was the creator of said shark, and here'sw) the authoritative story on the VMS shark:n   CUT HERE8 -------------------------------------------------------- Bill,e  H I created the OpenVMS Shark logo long ago (early '90's) for the origina= liH 'OpenVMS Champions' program - a worldwide group of business managers wh= oiE were drivers and advocates of OpenVMS in their local geographies. The-H reasoning around the logo was that the shark and OpenVMS shared attribu= tes  such as:  % o They have both been around forever.A' o They are extremely fast and flexible.2 o They never stop.; o They will take on (eat) anything and continue to operate.b! o They operate in packs/clusters. H o And although they will never be cute - they are the most efficient an= ds) effective machines in their environments.e   The tag line for the group was:.  H "In an ocean full of guppy operating systems, wouldn't you want to be t= he king of the seas?"   Regards,H ------------------------------Pure Personal Opinion--------------------= --. John P. SmithOpenVMS Systems and Servers Group john.p.smith#compaq.nospam   ####   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET_( Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:27 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET3 Subject: RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen-    < In article <87k7trpuxl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi: <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > "Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser"+ <ZINSER@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:4 >4C >> pain if you do want to really use a OpenVMS icon somewhere. So IiD >> would prefer a logo that scales down gracefully at least to 16x16H >> (yupp, the size of all these pesky icons in the browser URL bars aka=  D >> favicon). Unfortunatly I can not offer an implementation since my1 >> artistic skills are not good enough to do one.l >0F > How about back to the original, the 'virtual Cheshire Cat' smile and > tail?.  E That was a DECUS VAX SIG mascot, the shark was from VMS Development.=I   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:02:39 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>3 Subject: RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screennM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D01602770@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>a  H Or maybe a nice colorful photo of a Galaxy, encompassing Sun and others? <grin>   :) jck > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Dave Gudewicz [mailto:david.gudewicz@abbott.com], > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:53 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComM5 > Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screent >  > @ > I would respect the Aussies comment on the shark.  Most of us 
 > landlubbers = > see sharks on TV and aquariums (big ones).  Just the other e > day, my son who2= > got a shark jaw from Florida, dropped the thing and ripped s > his arm open inb > the process. >   > Perhps a kinder, gentler icon. > G > How about the Starship Enterprise (I know copyright problems, etc) or*' > something space related?  ISS anyone?i > % > Live long and prosper (us AND VMS).y > 	 > Dave...h< > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message/ > news:VTjkYgcDBVeG@eisner.encompasserve.org...v7 > > In article <fov1dFxodoqR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 > koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:a? > > > In article <elA78.405$am1.17264@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred 1
 > Kleinsorge" ' > <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:.@ > > >> Since this subject has come up.  I am lobbying to change  > the logo to an > nice > > >> VMS "shark" logo. > > >>H > > >> If anyone has alternative logo's they want to send me... oh.  I'm
 > serious,C > > >> so try to resist the urge to send funny and/or obscene ones.l > > > : > > >    The shark would be great.  Looking forward to it. > > 5 > > So Fred, what can we do to "vote for" the shark ?o >  >   
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadways Albany, NY  12204, USA  518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com   ) I post personal opinion only, and all thel* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s).-+ One should also take note of the Electronicm) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, whiche+ imposes civil and criminal liability on anys( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:20:36 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screeno, Message-ID: <3C6165DE.30491578@videotron.ca>   WILLIAM WEBB wrote: J > o And although they will never be cute - they are the most efficient and+ > effective machines in their environments.n  K I have to disagree. Except for a few species of sharks (especially the uglysN great white), Sharks are extremely beautiful animals. Extremely sleek and wellK proportioned. They swim very gracefully during normal times, yet can deploys lots of power on demand.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:46:48 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>3 Subject: RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenk- Message-ID: <0033000051341758000002L082*@MHS>   9 =0AFirst of all, I do not take credit for that statement-:  I was quoting John S. at Compaq.  9 Beautiful can be cute, but it does not necessarily followr) that what is beautiful must also be cute.a  , (human examples omitted to conserve flamage)  < Jellyfish in motion, sharks and birds of prey are beautiful, but hardly cute.   WWWebb     -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETR+ Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:18 PMYB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET3 Subject: RE: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen      WILLIAM WEBB wrote:IH > o And although they will never be cute - they are the most efficient = andC+ > effective machines in their environments.0  H I have to disagree. Except for a few species of sharks (especially the = uglyH great white), Sharks are extremely beautiful animals. Extremely sleek a= nd wellhH proportioned. They swim very gracefully during normal times, yet can de= ploy lots of power on demand.=i   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 12:34:44 -0600l- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen 3 Message-ID: <bjtb$DwYwlSK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <a3rg17$haf$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes: > G > How about the Starship Enterprise (I know copyright problems, etc) ors' > something space related?  ISS anyone?k  
   Not ISS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:49:26 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>=3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen/, Message-ID: <3C617AB2.77550935@videotron.ca>   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:p> > Jellyfish in motion, sharks and birds of prey are beautiful, > but hardly cute.  E Ok then. So we have to consider Britney Spears, Elle McPherson, Cindyc Crawford, etc.  L Or perhaps a picture of Elvis ?   ( we all know that despite the rumours, he isn't dead...)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:54:05 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk> M Subject: Re: DECnet Phase V doesn't recognize node 0 with object access; huh?hA Message-ID: <1012982056.4071.0.nnrp-01.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>h  = Note the syntax is local:.name i.e. local(colon)(period)name.p  9 In your reply you had these reversed. May be just a typo.b  F Before you get too desperate a complete net$configure is better than a
 reinstall.  F DEcnet Phase V can get picky if there are sysgen parameters too low atF startup. Do you watch the startup and are there decnet V related error	 messages?=  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C wrote in message news:00A091F9.E94AD7BD@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...o: > In article <3C60632E.4060505@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: - > >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:0 > >= > >> $ REPLY/ENABLE= > >> $ dir 0"http_server"::= > >> > >>- > >> Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on HUDSON0G > >> Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on HUDSON,:
 system id: > >> 100 > >> 2598 > >> Auditable event:          Network breakin detection6 > >> Event time:                5-FEB-2002 08:09:01.55' > >> PID:                      000001103& > >> Process name:             NET$ACP* > >> Username:                 HTTP_SERVER3 > >> Remote node id:           49004008002BC3305621'7 > >> Remote node fullname:     NET$49004008002BC3305621 % > >> Remote username:          SYSTEMn@ > >> Status:                   %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid password > >A > >O, > >I suspect your problem is that your node,* > >for whatever reason, does not recognise  > >itself when you do a SET H 0. > >  > >How is it registered in the* > >namespace (look using DECNET_REGISTER).# > >If you register your node in theI) > >local namespace (say as LOCAL:.HUDSON)d! > >and then try the DIR 0:: stuffc) > >the error message should then complain'% > >about a remote node LOCAL:.HUDSON.D) > >Then you add a proxy for LOCAL:.HUDSONz > >and you're set. > ><& > > From your earlier message it seems( > >you already have HUDSON::HTTP_SERVER.( > >I *think* that this is *different* to > >LOCAL:.HUDSON.< >=7 > I tried setting up local.:hudson.dyndns.info and also= > tried local.:hudson9 > >e& > >Try SET H 0 and logging in. What do% > >you see for SYS$REM_NODE_FULLNAME?7 >79 > I got NET$49004008002BC3305621.  However, proxying fromp7 > NET$49004008002BC3305621::SYSTEM  didn't work either.< >0G > Would DECnet-OSI get confused if it were initially configure with one9E > canonical name and you changed the canonical name in TCP/IP without= > changing anything in DECnet? >dC > Should I remove and reinstall DECnet-OSI? (If I can find the CD)?F >0	 > Thanks,a >m	 > -- Aland >> >= >0L ============================================================================ ===l2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:l 650/926-3056C >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CAp
 94309-0210 >uL ============================================================================ ===C >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:54:38 GMTmL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")M Subject: Re: DECnet Phase V doesn't recognize node 0 with object access; huh? 8 Message-ID: <00A09242.14BC3016@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <1012982056.4071.0.nnrp-01.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>, "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk> writes:   > >Note the syntax is local:.name i.e. local(colon)(period)name. >o< >In your reply you had these reversed. May be just a typo.    L Not sure.  I'd been up all night playing with it, and may have put the wrong stuff in DECNET_REGISTER.i > G >Before you get too desperate a complete net$configure is better than aD >reinstall.1  H Did it.  Worked.  Hooray!  That was it - it didn't recognize that it wasL LOCAL:.HUDSON and so didn't do the proxy processing right.  I have to assumeH that when it went to a DNS address it did a reverse lookup to get the IPJ address and then knew what it had, but when it was 0 it looked locally and didn't find it.=  L Thanks very, very much.  (I've been having a very bad day for other reasons,C and it really is a ray of light in the darkness toget this fixed.)=   -- Alan"  O ==============================================================================='0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056.M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210mO ===============================================================================<   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:20:39 +0000 (UTC)@ From: "Gennaro Napolitano" <gennaro.napolitano@tlc.semagroup.it> Subject: Re: DECNET Problem'G Message-ID: <93f18caca92386907d22fcf933c246d9.7743@mygate.mailgate.org>4  6 "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in message  news:3C605E93.5030006@iee.org...   > Gennaro Napolitano wrote:s ...f > ' > What OPCOM messages do you see on 1.6p" > (make sure you enable them all)? > 	 > Antonio=   Hi guys0  B Compaq people told me that this is a known bug regarding the cache naming corruption.  ) They suggest to me to install ECO7 patch.=  % I will let you know about the result.    Thanks a lot Gennaro3         -- r8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 05:41:08 -0800<- From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell) ( Subject: Re: Deleting ACCOUNTNG.DAT file= Message-ID: <9f261edc.0202060541.20ebbec3@posting.google.com>m  # Previous advice is exactly correct.v  F Also, try doing a $SHOW ACCOUNTING on both systems. I would guess thatC one is set to log more activities than the other, hence the massivee file..  S See http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6017/6017pro_085.html#6017accountinga  	 HTH, etc.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:15:41 GMTD( From: "Jack Portier" <nomail@nergens.nl>6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?0 Message-ID: <NEc88.99$tG3.189@pollux.casema.net>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:0nrv5u8v96lkl30auvqqu7gbt8oflbagpk@4ax.com...F > On Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:30:55 GMT, "Jack Portier" <nomail@nergens.nl> > wrote: >eL > >My guess is that Intel has made a FATAL mistake in going with EPIC and is1 > >going to pay dearly for it. Anyone (dis)agree?  >s? > Intel may not pay dearly with their follow on to the Pentium,dE > codenamed  "Prescott" , designed to handle X86-64 code. At least if  > all the rumours are true.  >kB > Compaq and perhaps HP  may be the ones who really pay the price.H > Compaq have all but shut up the Alpha shop with EV7 production silicon@ > now a reality and EV8 cancelled. VMS and HP-UX are supposed toG > continue life on IA64 with the best bits of Tru64 ending up in HP-UX.. >>E > As Carly said "There is no plan B. We've burned our boats". And shel) > said that with pride. Mad, mad women...K >nG > Amazingly Capellas agreed to allow Carly to set fire to his own boatsa> > as well prior to the merger getting through. Mad, mad man... >"E > One might assume Intel has done quite well come what may. They havesE > DEC's best chip designers, compiler technology and engineers, FABs,nH > patents etc and much of HPs former technology as well. And they have a > "plan B"..  J But they will have to license the X86-64 instruction set from AMD, puttingG them at a severe disadvantage. If AMD plays its cards wisely, they will< surely come out on top..   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 08:37:04 GMT-3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: DS10 on a KVM0 Message-ID: <a3qpvg$nib$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  a In article <0wQ3F+qWdrCd@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:d> >Up until just recently I've been using DS10s with VTs plugged? >into the console port.  Now I'm trying to hook some up to KVMso1 >and graphic monitors and not having much luck.    >aA >If I hook the keyboard, mouse and monitor up directly, eveythingd< >seems to work fine.  If I hook them up through a KVM, I get? >mixed results.  Sometimes it'll work, sometimes the mouse will > >disappear, sometimes the keyboard would lockup, sometimes the >monitor will not sync, etc. >S: >I've tried three different KVMs, two keyboards, and threeB >different DS10s with the same results.  The KVMs were an OmniCube; >2 port, a Raritan Master Console IIx 16 port, and a Compaqc< >120206-001 1X2P KVM.  The keyboards tried were LK461-A2 and? >LK46W-A2.  One with a 4D10T video card, the other two with thej@ >DV-DEPVZ-AA PCI SCSI/NIC/Vid combo card.  VMS V7.3, all patches >as of 1-FEB-2002. >o9 >So, long story short, what DS10 KVM combo works for you?a  J I use a ServeView+ from Rose Electronics (http://www.rosel.com/). It worksH with a variety of Alphas and a LK411-AG. There is one bug, though: afterN a reboot you need to connect a real keyboard directly to the KVM-switch, pressH a few keys and reconnect the switch. Otherwise the keyboard doesn't work	 properly.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmannp  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:36:07 GMTo' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>  Subject: Re: DS10 on a KVM- Message-ID: <3C611524.73347571@theblakes.com>P  F I have a PC, an AS255, a DPW500, and a DS20E hooked up to my Omni ViewB SE switch. All work fine. I have the PC keyboard (a KB-9805) and a logitech mouse for input.m   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 03:43:32 -0800 # From: bfarmer@wcf.net (Bill Farmer)  Subject: Re: DS10 on a KVM= Message-ID: <3be5c1ce.0202060343.51e40e80@posting.google.com>n  E The Raritan KVMs are the ONLY ones I have gotten to work with Alpha'si   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:24:13 -0600 (CST)s From: helmke@cuis.edu4 Subject: Re: DS10 on a KVM- Message-ID: <01KDY44K6V049D9U19@crf.cuis.edu>   D A few years ago I purchased a couple of racks with an ES40 and DS20sD fitted with a COMPAQ KVM (1x8) and keyboard tray.  After a firmware , upgrade last spring, it works very reliably.  C Richard A. Helmke                Internet: Rich.Helmke@cais.cus.eduo: Assoc Prof, Computer Science               Helmke@curf.eduC System Manager, Technical Services              Voice: 708-209-3221tC Concordia Administrative Information Systems    Fax:   708-209-3177- River Forest, IL 60305-14990   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 00:14:05 -0800.- From: denis.fayaud@netspace.mc (Denis Fayaud)g( Subject: Re: Dxterm displayed on Solaris= Message-ID: <93820504.0202060014.7b5efca9@posting.google.com>n  W Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com> wrote in message news:<3C6053B9.B20FBDEC@ford.com>...iH > With a bit of work, I have figured out how to start DECterm on VMS andH > have it display back to a Solaris workstation via a script on the Sun.F > (Why would I do this ? Try using Unix xterm and telneting to VMS and7 > running an editor or an app that uses FMS or SMG !!!)u > F > Now the problem is the (&*^%$#@!%@# Sun keyboard !  How do I get theF > DECterm process to use a different keyboard map than the rest of the& > windows on the Solaris CDE desktop ? > J > Has anyone fiddled with xmodmap to create an "appropriate" keyboard fileA > to use with DECterm when it is being displayed on Solaris/CDE ?c > 
 > Thanks ! >  > I > ... or perhaps Compaq will put the source code to (the Unix version) ofa+ > DECterm (dxterm) in the public domain ...e >      > Jack Patteeuwn    < I use Decterm on a linux machine ( with a french keyboard ).: To use the pf keys (for eve etc.), I "xmodmap" this file :   keycode  77 = KP_F1c keycode 112 = KP_F26 keycode  63 = KP_F3" keycode  82 = KP_F4  keycode  79 = KP_7 KP_Home keycode  80 = KP_8 KP_Up keycode  81 = KP_9 KP_Prior  keycode  83 = KP_4 KP_Left keycode  84 = KP_5 KP_Begin> keycode  85 = KP_6 KP_Right  keycode  87 = KP_1 KP_Endi keycode  88 = KP_2 KP_Down keycode  89 = KP_3 KP_Next keycode  90 = KP_0 KP_Insert" keycode  91 = KP_Decimal KP_Delete$ ! keycode 107 = KP_Decimal KP_Delete keycode  99 = KP_6 keycode  97 = Insert HomeF keycode 103 = Prior Endo   keycode  86 = KP_Subtract  keycode 108 = KP_Separator   keycode 106 = Find   !keysym BackSpace = Delete    G I don't know if it's the most "elegant" maneer but in my case it works.iA I named the file "pfkeys" and I just "xmodmap pfkeys" under linuxn   D.Fayaud   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:22:54 -00003 From: "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk>t( Subject: Re: Dxterm displayed on Solaris/ Message-ID: <a3qsk0$vk3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>l  4 "Jack Patteeuw" <jpatteeu@ford.com> wrote in message" news:3C6053B9.B20FBDEC@ford.com...H > With a bit of work, I have figured out how to start DECterm on VMS andH > have it display back to a Solaris workstation via a script on the Sun.F > (Why would I do this ? Try using Unix xterm and telneting to VMS and7 > running an editor or an app that uses FMS or SMG !!!)t > F > Now the problem is the (&*^%$#@!%@# Sun keyboard !  How do I get theF > DECterm process to use a different keyboard map than the rest of the& > windows on the Solaris CDE desktop ? >hJ > Has anyone fiddled with xmodmap to create an "appropriate" keyboard fileA > to use with DECterm when it is being displayed on Solaris/CDE ?p  G I wrote the following Unix shell script which does things the other wayeH around and tries to force Xterm to act like a DECterm (sorry... CPQterm? HPAQterm? ;)  L You may find that not all the keysym names match exactly. This was developedI for HP-UX workstations (and then was never used except by me ... so maybe J someone can get some use out of it!). For starters, if you want to have it	 auto-sizerE the window (it chooses a 'large' or a 'small' font size based on your L display width) you'll have to change the path of xdpyinfo... Neither font isJ ideal, bit it was a compromise. Larger fonts would have looked better, butK the application I had in mind does a lot of switching between 80/132 column1I mode... I had to keep the characters small enough to fit on the screen atT 132 columns.  L You could copy the DECterm fonts onto your Unix server(s), but this probablyK violates your licence. You are probably unlikely to get into trouble for itv
 though ;-)  K Num Lock cannot be guaranteed to work (It worked on workstations, and undersC the Exceed X server, but not on most of the Xterminals I tried...).l  I And people looking for something fun to do can map the Windows keys to dol& something useful, if you have them ;-)   Usage: vmsterm [extra options] e.g. vmsterm -e telnet vmsbox &a   -Malcolm   --begin script
 #!/bin/ksh #@( # (Probably works under other shells...) #:' # Script for connecting to a VMS system G # This depends on having the 'ancient' fonts available e.g., 6x13,8x16.7F # These are legacy fonts from X10 (or even earlier!). However, they do contai( # all the VT100 line-drawing characters.  ? # This script tries to work out (based on xdpyinfo) whether theeL # screen width is less than 1000 pixels. If it is, a small font is selected.L # This is necessary to support MANMAN, which switches the display between 80L # and 132 characters - the larger font will not fit an 800x600 screen at 132< # columns. (If you need to use 640x480, you're out of luck!) #m, # This gives you the following key mappings: #  #            Numeric  Keypad #            -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #a' # +--------+--------+--------+--------+.' # |NumLock |   /    |   *    |   -    |e' # | BROKEN |        |        |        |s' # |[Note 1]|  PF2   |  PF3   |  PF4   |-' # +--------+--------+--------+--------+0' # |   7    |   8    |   9    |   +    |e' # |        |        |        |        |C' # |  KP7   |  KP8   |  KP9   |KP_COMMA| ' # +--------+--------+--------+ - - -  |2' # |   4    |   5    |   6    | (+Ctrl)|.' # |        |        |        |        |e' # |  KP4   |  KP5   |  KP6   |KP_MINUS|e' # +--------+--------+--------+--------+ ' # |   1    |   2    |   3    | Enter  |c' # |        |        |        |        |e' # |  KP1   |  KP2   |  KP3   |        |i' # +--------+--------+--------+        | ' # |        0        |   .    |KP_ENTER| ' # |                 |        |        | ' # |       KP0       KP_DECIMAL        | ' # +--------+--------+--------+--------+n #s #e # Notes:( #  [1]  Can't map NumLock; use the first3 #       four function keys instead, as shown below:a1 #       Some X servers seem to allow me to re-mapo" #       NumLock, some don't. YMMV. # ! #       First four Function  Keysh! #       -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-s #e' # +--------+--------+--------+--------+S' # |   F1   |   F2   |   F3   |   F4   |i' # |        |        |        |        |>' # |  KP1   |  KP2   |  KP3   |  KP4   | ' # +--------+--------+--------+--------+t #m #          The Editing  Keypad #          -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- # ' # +-----------+-----------+-----------+ ' # |  Insert   |   Home    |  Page Up  | ' # |           |           |           | ' # |INSERT HERE|   FIND    |PREV SCREEN|o' # +-----------+-----------+-----------+ ' # |  Delete   |    End    | Page Down | ' # |           |           |           |N' # |  REMOVE   |   SELECT  |NEXT SCREEN|s' # +-----------+-----------+-----------+  #r #a/  if [[ -x /usr/contrib/bin/X11/xdpyinfo ]] theny< # Get display size and then work out the font based on that.K   DPYWID=`/usr/contrib/bin/X11/xdpyinfo | grep dimensions\: |cut -d \( -f 1   | cut -d\: -f 2 | cut -d x -f 1`    echo Display width is $DPYWID.!   if [[ $DPYWID -lt  1000 ]] thenlG     echo Display width less than 1000 pixels. Using small font \(6x13\)      FNAME=6x13     BFNAME=6x13b   elseJ     echo Display width greater than 1000 pixels. Using large font \(8x16\)     FNAME=8x16     BFNAME=8x16a   fi else8   # 6x13 will fit on an 800x600 screen at 132 columns...K   echo No /usr/contrib/bin/X11/xdpyinfo. Defaulting to small font. \(6x13\)T   FNAME=6x13   BFNAME=6x13b fi   # Now launch the xterm:L  2 xterm -title "VMS Terminal Window" -sb -sl 1200  \                 -xrm \<                 'XTerm*vt100.translations:     #override \n\8                 <Key>BackSpace:         string(0x7f) \n\@                 Shift <Key>Up:          scroll-back(1,lines) \n\@                 Shift <Key>Down:        scroll-forw(1,lines) \n\E                 Shift <Key>Delete:      string(0x1b) string(0x08) \n\ D                 Shift <Key>Tab:         string(0x1b) string("*") \n\F                 <Key>Prior:             string(0x1b) string("[5~") \n\F                 <Key>Next:              string(0x1b) string("[6~") \n\F                 <Key>Insert:            string(0x1b) string("[2~") \n\F                 <Key>Delete:            string(0x1b) string("[3~") \n\F                 <Key>Home:              string(0x1b) string("[1~") \n\F                 <Key>End:               string(0x1b) string("[4~") \n\E                 <Key>KP_0:              string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\uE                 <Key>KP_1:              string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\hE                 <Key>KP_2:              string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\tE                 <Key>KP_3:              string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\nE                 <Key>KP_4:              string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\xE                 <Key>KP_5:              string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\h8                 <Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\8                 <Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\8                 <Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\8                 <Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy") \n\E                 <Key>KP_Divide:         string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\eE                 <Key>KP_Multiply:       string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\.E                 <Key>KP_Subtract:       string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\ E                 <Key>KP_Enter:          string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\sE                 <KeyPress>Num_Lock:     string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\(E                 <KeyRelease>Num_Lock:   string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\rE                 <Key>F1:                string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\=E                 <Key>F2:                string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n\'E                 <Key>F3:                string(0x1b) string("OR") \n\kE                 <Key>F4:                string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\a>                 Ctrl<Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Om") \n\E                 <Key>KP_Add:            string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\=C                 <Key>KP_Decimal:        string(0x1b) string("On")'\0?                 -fg white -bg blue -cr gray50 -132 -fn $FNAME \i                 -fb $BFNAME $*
 -- end scriptb >'
 > Thanks ! >9 >8I > ... or perhaps Compaq will put the source code to (the Unix version) of + > DECterm (dxterm) in the public domain ...6 >9 >0 >0 > Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:19:32 +0000.( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>( Subject: Re: Errlog.sys - CORRUPTED !!!!) Message-ID: <3C610334.CFE2B8FF@127.0.0.1>t   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > I am having a problem with > Errlog.sys in OpenVMS 7.1-1H2u >  > $ ANAL/ERR >  > %ERF-E-READERR, error reading " > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSERR]ERRLOG.SYS;73 > -RMS-W-RTB, 5716 byte record too large for user's- > buffer  H It is possible to create and edit the FDL, setting a maximim record sizeF of less than (in your case 5716) and doing a convert, and allowing theD records to be rejected, then try analysing again. You may have to go) through this procedure a number of times.O  H Then you'll have something ANALYZE can look at HOWEVER you MAY have haveC lost the actual error records you were interested in (rejected!) sos beware.o  E The correct fix as others have pointed out is to get Diag. Or you can-8 copy the error file to a system that has diag installed.  A Needs must where the devil finds idle stiches when your boots areI leaking. -- o( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 01:16:50 -08005% From: bill.thomas@consultant.com (BT).Y Subject: FREE 5-Day "mini-course" and eBook Helps You to Create Value, Find New OpportuniM= Message-ID: <c6f0d1a3.0202060116.45f16a11@posting.google.com>I  F Now there is a new mini-course and a FREE 55+ page eBook that can helpB you break out of your dull intellectual chains and old patterns of	 thinking.t  @ The FREE 5-day mini-course and eBook increase your ability to do "empowered envisioning", viz.:  I > Shows you how to creatively design and present your messages or ideas, t  ^ > Describes how to plug into and use sources of knowledge to be more innovative and creative,   ` > Explains a process that helps you shape your knowledge into effective, persuasive statements.   @ From what I can tell, this eBook even 'evolves' [they promise toB release FREE future issues of its latest revisions on an automatic basis]!a  ? Here's the URL to their site - check it out and sign-up for therB "course" and book. Http://www.syntopic.net/free/opportunity21.html  	 Regards,   BT :) F P.S. Get your FREE copy or share it with your friends and partners at:/ http://www.syntopic.net/free/opportunity21.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:59:06 +0000l+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>f Subject: Re: FREEWARE 5.0 & Message-ID: <3C611A8A.9040804@iee.org>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:   M >   Downloading two packed-full CD-ROM disks via FTP will take some time.  I :    ( People in the office regularly pull down  three or four CDs worth of Linux  distribuitons etc. I don't think' that's particularly unusual these days.e  $ It's fairly easy to use wget to drag  % everything down, but the advantage ofr! a pre-built ISO is that you don'te# have to worry about getting all thei  little details right when making an ODS-2 disk.   FWIW       Antonioh   -- t   ---------------m- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 05:27:03 -0800  From: ant@x509.ru (Anton Yelin)x Subject: Galaxy help!!!!= Message-ID: <b29f8652.0202060527.593c108b@posting.google.com>e  C I have AlphaServer 1200 vs OpenVMS 7.3. I try set 1 instance GalaxyI1 (by the doc) and GCU write me %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE.t* In doc i found that %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE is # "Invalid node in Configuration Tree,F The GCU has parsed an invalid structure within the configuration tree.C This can only result from configuration tree corruption or revision13 mismatch between the ruleset and console firmware."PC I have a latest firmware. How test my configuration tree?? I need 1. instance Galaxy. Help please. Thank you in advance.f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:39:35 +0100$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr> Subject: Re: Galaxy help!!!!2 Message-ID: <Rqa88.538$am1.36866@news.cpqcorp.net>  , "Anton Yelin" <ant@x509.ru> wrote in message7 news:b29f8652.0202060527.593c108b@posting.google.com...rE > I have AlphaServer 1200 vs OpenVMS 7.3. I try set 1 instance Galaxy-3 > (by the doc) and GCU write me %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE.-+ > In doc i found that %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE is % > "Invalid node in Configuration Tree|H > The GCU has parsed an invalid structure within the configuration tree.E > This can only result from configuration tree corruption or revision 5 > mismatch between the ruleset and console firmware." E > I have a latest firmware. How test my configuration tree?? I need 1h > instance Galaxy. > Help please. > Thank you in advance.a  J I am not sure, but I think that you need an Alpha 4100, 8200, 8400 or more( recent (ES, GS family)Alpha  to do that.   Regards4   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:17:29 +0100O9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>( Subject: Re: Galaxy help!!!!' Message-ID: <3C616529.DF68FE96@aaa.com>-  6 From what I remember from the Galaxy presentations I'v; been to, you should be able to set up an Galaxy environmentD< on any Alpha/VMS box. But to run more then one instance, youA need an AS 4100 or "better" box. But it should be able to develop + Galaxy-aware applications on any Alpha box.0   Jan-Erik Sderhom.   labadie wrote: >  > L > I am not sure, but I think that you need an Alpha 4100, 8200, 8400 or more* > recent (ES, GS family)Alpha  to do that. > 	 > Regardsh >  > Grard   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 18:30:34 -0000w= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>.  Subject: Good auditing practice.6 Message-ID: <20020206183034.13441.qmail@gacracker.org>   Hi,   B Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system I'mH interested in knowing what level of auditing people would recommend, and$ how to go about putting it in place.  K Of special interest is logging outbound telnet and SSH connections as I may 1 need to be able to pinpoint who is up to no good.j   VMS Version: 7.2 TCP/IP Stack: Multinet v4.3    Thanks,2     Doc. -- a6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 04:35:55 -0800p. From: lee.kielty@sussex.police.uk (Lee Kielty) Subject: Re: Image Backup speeds= Message-ID: <2a652b01.0202060435.590e2e25@posting.google.com>e  C Thank you all for your responses. The following comprises requestede additional information.d  ? I have made some changes based on Nic and Roy's advice which is ? reflected in this info to the Target disk Writeback cache info. : Although Keith raises a question as to the wisdom of this.  D &#8220;As it turns out, raising MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE up from 32? probably won't help in this case, and may actually hurt.&#8220;p    Clarification would be helpful.   A 1) The system was booted not standalone but with all applicationsk7 disabled and only the system and working disks mounted.   < 2) The initialise target disk was initialised no-high-water.  9 3) We use Defrag software so this should not be an issue.   A 4) Raid sets are spread across different shelves in HSJ, but bothe- disks reside on the same pair of HSJ&#8217;s.K   5) HSJ infod Controller:K7         HSJ40 ZG62901654 Firmware V37J-1, Hardware  B01K6         Configured for dual-redundancy with ZG62901611+             In dual-redundant configuration          SCSI address 7"         Time: 05-FEB-2002 13:39:16
 Host port:8         Node name: HSJ002, valid CI node 1, 16 max nodes         System ID 420010011520         Path A is ON         Path B is ON"         MSCP allocation class    2"         TMSCP allocation class   2%         CI_ARBITRATION = ASYNCHRONOUSe         MAXIMUM_HOSTS = 15 Cache:*         32 megabyte write cache, version 2         Cache is GOODu         Battery is GOOD-         Unflushed data in cachee0         CACHE_FLUSH_TIMER = DEFAULT (10 seconds)         CACHE_POLICY = A         NOCACHE_UPSD   Object  2 D21                                        DISK150         Switches:cB           RUN                    NOWRITE_PROTECT        READ_CACHE           NOWRITEBACK_CACHEt-           MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE = 1024r         State:(           ONLINE to the other controller           No exclusive access +           PREFERRED_PATH = OTHER_CONTROLLERn         Size: 35556389 blocksn   Target  - D28                                        R6          Switches:(B           RUN                    NOWRITE_PROTECT        READ_CACHE           WRITEBACK_CACHE -           MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE = 1024C         State:           AVAILABLEd           No exclusive accessr*           PREFERRED_PATH = THIS_CONTROLLER         Size: 71095404 blocks    VMS Disk information   Object disk   F     Error count                    0    Operations completed            2125310F     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512F     Current preferred CPU Id       0    Fastpath                              1F     Total blocks            35556389    Sectors per track                   254F     Total cylinders             7000    Tracks per cylinder                  20E     Host name               "HSJ007"    Host type, avail             t	 HSJ4, yeseE     Alternate host name     "HSJ002"    Alt. type, avail             a	 HSJ4, yesw$     Allocation class               2F     Volume label         "SHARA_ARC"    Relative volume number                0F     Cluster size                  35    Transaction count                     1F     Free blocks              5492025    Maximum files allowed            987677F     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           3;     Mount status              System    Cache name         t "_$1$DUA0:XQPCACHE"hF     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache   549202B     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache    595F     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache      11178       B   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, write-back cachingh       enabled.      Target  5 , device type MSCP served SCSI disk array, is online,nE     allocated, deallocate on dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, 
 shareable,@     served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging is enabled.  F     Error count                    0    Operations completed                763C     Owner process        "_TNA2797:"    Owner UIC                  c<     Owner process ID        204020E3    Dev Prot            F     Reference count                2    Default buffer size                 512F     Current preferred CPU Id       0    Fastpath                              1F     Total blocks            71095404    Sectors per track                   254F     Total cylinders             6998    Tracks per cylinder                  40E     Host name               "HSJ007"    Host type, avail              	 HSJ4, yeso	  2MB, yes $     Allocation class               2  F     Volume label           "SCRATCH"    Relative volume number                0F     Cluster size                  18    Transaction count                     1F     Free blocks             71093826    Maximum files allowed           1870931F     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           1;     Mount status             Process    Cache name           "_$1$DUA0:XQPCACHE"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:25:50 +0300 4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Subject: Re: Image Backup speed 0 Message-ID: <3C612EDE.B3D4D9B9@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>  ' >         CI_ARBITRATION = ASYNCHRONOUS- SYNCRONOUS ?   -- - Cheers, F +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .......................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222lE  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatel.ru ................. SysMan rides HailStorm +   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 10:55:15 -0600 + From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) " Subject: Re: INITIALIZE a big disk3 Message-ID: <5ZziwIe4uhVn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <k7hsafcrrgWh@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:-] > In article <3C609528.47B9BF66@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:S >> Mark Bowman wrote:E >>>  >>> Hi,- >>> ; >>> I have disk which is 106,669,167 Blocks (94)GB in size.a3 >>> The disk contains about 21,000 large RMS files.  >>> I >>> As a general rule what should the extened size be set to? The default 9 >>> value of 5 is leading to file fragmentation problems.  >>> ( >>> I was thinking something like this:- >>> ! >>> $ init/header=50,000 /exten=?X >> pJ >> As other posters have noted, SET VOLUME/EXTEN=x will do it as well. ForJ >> "x", I like to use the square of the volume clustersize as rough-guess, >> and fine tune from there. >> i  >> FWIW, probably very little... >> N >  > 	My 2 cents... > E > 	I've mentioned this before.  I actually played around with extentsfF > 	quite a bit.  I didn't have the luxury of pre-allocating (best) andC > 	had this 3rd party search engine that would create temp files onbH > 	re-index (RUP, DUP, SRT for those of you in the know ;-).  Trial and H > 	error at setting extents, I discovered I didn't get a speed up above E > 	about 1024... i.e. 2048 wasn't any faster (may have actually been 1B > 	slower).  I want to guess that going beyond the ballpark figureA > 	of 1024 actually forces more time being spent trudging throughc- > 	BITMAP.SYS, hence wall clock time goes up.K > 	 > 				Rob  >   : One thing I didn't mention in my previous rambling on thisA subject is highwater marking on the volume.  I've found that file A creation and extend times drop _dramatically_ (since I don't have ? any exact stats, I'll use the _emphasis_ to "prove" my point).  @ If you don't need highwater marking I'd strongly suggest issuing' a SET VOL/NOHIGH command on the volume.~   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Feb 2002 23:54:44 -0800[- From: denis.fayaud@netspace.mc (Denis Fayaud) % Subject: interrupt state CPU activity = Message-ID: <93820504.0202052354.46242825@posting.google.com>\   Hi, E I have a brand new DS10 under OpenVMS 7.3 and I noticed that when the E main screen is locked (blank black screen), it generates an interrupt # state CPU activity of at least 20%.iA Moving the mouse causes the windows to reappear and the interrupt # state CPU activity returns to ~ 0%. ( The graphic card is a 3Dlab oxygen VX1.  Someone got an idea ?    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 14:04:25 GMTn1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)") Subject: Re: interrupt state CPU activity(: Message-ID: <a3rd59$53l$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  = In message: <93820504.0202052354.46242825@posting.google.com>i1   denis.fayaud@netspace.mc (Denis Fayaud) writes: F >I have a brand new DS10 under OpenVMS 7.3 and I noticed that when theF >main screen is locked (blank black screen), it generates an interrupt$ >state CPU activity of at least 20%.B >Moving the mouse causes the windows to reappear and the interrupt$ >state CPU activity returns to ~ 0%.  O I looks to me like some kind of bug in the DECWindows VX1 driver.  A workaround1H I found was to edit decw$private_server_setup and explicitly set some of the screen saver parameters:  0 	$ decw$server_screen_saver_prefer_blanking == 1* 	$ decw$server_screen_saver_timeout == 600+ 	$ decw$server_screen_saver_interval == 100   E I'm not sure which one or which combination solved the problem, but I & no longer see the high interrupt time.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:aL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:12:12 -0500t- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>a$ Subject: LAN 3.0 for 7.2-1 Weirdness+ Message-ID: <sc61017d.086@AAASMTA.aaas.org>0  F Yesterday I was trying to ftp a file from one Alpha to another. They =I reside not only on the same IP subnet (so there is no router involved), = J but they're attached to the same Cisco Catalyst Switch. The transfer was == VERY slow - on the order of almost 4 minutes for a 300K file.Y  G I checked the switch and saw that the two DS10s were running 100 Half =eK Duplex and the AS800 was running 100 Full. That's odd because if an Alpha =mH is going to be weird it's usually the AS800. We LONG eliminated Duplex =J problems with NICS and the associated framing errors. I brought one DS10 =K down to the console, did a SET EWA0_MODE AUTO and it synced to the switch =gE at 100 Full. Odd, but I figured some patch I applied must have done =e, something odd. I brought the system back up.  J I tried the FTP again and same terrible slowness. I thought about it all =E night and when I came in this morning I looked at the last round of = J patches I applied. One of them was the LAN 3.0 patch. I figured I'd give =K it a shot, so I renamed all the images affected by that patch and renamed =-" previous versions up and rebooted.  H Mind you, I've never done anything like that on VMS, so I'm amazed the = system came up.r  H When it did, I tried to FTP again. I moved a Several-Hundred-MB Oracle =F Dump in about a minute. So I think something is funky with that patch.  	 Comments?d   Thanks,  John   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:57:28 +0100 (CET): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>9 Subject: Re: Logicals defined for all process of one user J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202061851470.23868-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  , On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, John E. Malmberg wrote:   > Phillip Helbig wrote:n >  > Jouk Jansen wrote:  > D > >>There are logicals defined in several classes (process,job,group systemJ > >>etc.) But how do I define a logical for all jobs of one user(UIC)? Why > >>is there no LNM$USER_TABLE.s [...] C > > Another question is why such a table is not present by default.   )  Probably because security consideration.uA  You can think about some funny "things" like ovelapping criticale= names for process startup. That is *expected* to be protected @ by the logname translation protection (EXEC/KERNEL mode required for raised mode code) BUT...A  Personally will say that I am think the USER$TABLE may be a goodnD feature, system manager is always be obligated to think when inserts a command to SYLOGIN ;>.  E > My guess is that it goes against the grain of the idea that when a sF > process exits, all of it's resources are cleaned up.  Having a USER D > table, would require quotas, or privileges to prevent a user from > > accidently filling up what has to be a system wide resource.  -  What you say are (IMHO) 2 separate problems:t? - the "quotas" problem, where is ALWAYS resolved for job tablesoA - the "permanency" :) of user table, even if no process loged in;SA  group tables are with the same class, and will suspect that onlyiB  in *rare* cases having some system quota consumed with non-logged>  users can be a problem (assuming that quota like JobTable one  will be used)  K > And then there may also need to be some way of tracking and deleting the eK > entries in the table when a user is deleted.  You do not want a new user I5 > to inherit some one else's user logical name table.n  
  Och, really. A  Suposing you already must "do something" with the files on disk,CB files on all backup tapes (!), MAILUAF records, ORACLE and anyelse: application level you have - that looks not be critical ;);  Really - the idea "use UIC only once" may be a resolution. 9  Hm... that another story: the discuised table may be forI *username* or *UIC* ?xD  BTW: I am *not* a fan of the "think always one user=1 UIC" positionD resolution ! Using more usernames per UIC is supported. And sometime' better than other *used* "resolutions".!    Regards - Gotfryd   -- 3E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME3. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================L   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:45:25 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>l Subject: Re: Lottery Systems) Message-ID: <3C60ED24.34050BE4@gtech.com>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ > In article <87bsf3pjmh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:0 > > WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:
 > >> Hmmm. > >> > >> 1. Lottery. > >> 2. NT "security".$ > >> 3. I could use some extra cash. > >l > >> What state? > >aA > > He did say 'big', so I guess it is the only one. Sort of Lonee > > in fact. > H > Well you appear to have gotten it right (even though Alaska is bigger)4 > based on doing a search on Dice.com for "lottery": > 0 > http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxaicbp.43096.html  > Then it is not the lottery main OLTP system that is going NT !  A (see http://www.txlottery.org/news/view_press_release.cfm?id=237)u   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 06:31:11 -0600a- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)k Subject: Re: Lottery Systems3 Message-ID: <sQIP7jtQN9Gm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <3C60ED24.34050BE4@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:- > Larry Kilgallen wrote:_ >> In article <87bsf3pjmh.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:.1 >> > WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:  >> >> Hmmm.3 >> >>. >> >> 1. Lottery.> >> >> 2. NT "security".i% >> >> 3. I could use some extra cash.h >> > >> >> What state?i >> >B >> > He did say 'big', so I guess it is the only one. Sort of Lone
 >> > in fact.i >> cI >> Well you appear to have gotten it right (even though Alaska is bigger) 5 >> based on doing a search on Dice.com for "lottery":d >>  1 >> http://www.dice.com/DandL/c/cxaicbp.43096.htmlh > @ > Then it is not the lottery main OLTP system that is going NT ! > C > (see http://www.txlottery.org/news/view_press_release.cfm?id=237)s  A I don't see either VMS or NT on this page.  Is GTECH purely VMS ?:E I thought they did Stratus also.  Do you know which one is in Texas ?R< What other computers are used besides the main OLTP system ?  B Of course I have mixed emotions about this.  While I would like to@ see VMS and VMS Vendors succeed, politically I would rather some! lotteries _did_ lose the data :-)'   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:43:06 +0100h= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t Subject: Re: Lottery Systems) Message-ID: <3C614F0A.292101CF@gtech.com>r   Larry Kilgallen wrote:k > In article <3C60ED24.34050BE4@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:dB > > Then it is not the lottery main OLTP system that is going NT ! > >aE > > (see http://www.txlottery.org/news/view_press_release.cfm?id=237)i > C > I don't see either VMS or NT on this page.  Is GTECH purely VMS ?iG > I thought they did Stratus also.  Do you know which one is in Texas ?t> > What other computers are used besides the main OLTP system ?  ( I am not sure about how much I can tell.  B But I can say so much, that the main OLTP system is not NT based !   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:28:22 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n Subject: MAIL BROADCASTs; Message-ID: <01KDYMUY8EQC8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h  F Assuming BROADCAST=MAIL is enabled, should one see a broadcast on any C node of a cluster, regardless of which node the mail was sent from?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:51:06 -00007 From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@reading.sema.slb.com>  Subject: RE: MAIL BROADCASTsH Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE015290F0@reaes2.sema.co.uk>  C Hi Phillip. Good to hear you doing so well in your new job. ( Seems 6 all that good advice on writing a CV proved useful :!)  H This all depends on the value of bit 1 of the logical MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS.6 This is all described nicely in the documentation at..  L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6017/6017pro_016.html#index_x_103 4   G - Ah, online documentation - the best thing the internet ever produced!k   - John   John Powers  INS Support    >-----Original Message----- A >From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]  >Sent: 06 February 2002 16:28_ >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: MAIL BROADCASTs  >  > G >Assuming BROADCAST=MAIL is enabled, should one see a broadcast on any RD >node of a cluster, regardless of which node the mail was sent from?    K ___________________________________________________________________________tB This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of c SchlumbergerSema. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this I email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or  - copying of this email is strictly prohibited.S  z If you have received this email in error please notify the SchlumbergerSema Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:15:46 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>9 Subject: Re: MAIL BROADCASTs, Message-ID: <3C6164BC.231F682A@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > G > Assuming BROADCAST=MAIL is enabled, should one see a broadcast on anyaE > node of a cluster, regardless of which node the mail was sent from?4  L Yes. I have a heterogenous cluster (even SYSUAF are separate). But when nodeL VELO delivers mail to my  account on VELO, my sessions on node BIKE also get- the broadcast (same username, different UIC).1 (and vice versa)  J As a matter of fact, I have to do a SET BROADCAST=NONE on the BIKE dectermN before I issue SET HOST VELO otherwise that window gets 2 broadcasts for everyN incoming mail message. That makes a lot of bells ringing whenever I get a mail	 message !e  N Does anyone remember when CNN was a VMS shop and had VT terminals on the desks6 ? You could hear the telltale VT "bells" now and then.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:10:38 GMTc From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG09 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month 0 Message-ID: <00A09265.D7D82D3E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <3C6099A3.E0AA2DCD@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:  >  >1 >Bob Ceculski wrote: >>  N >> I don't know how they are going to finish a complete rewrite in 30 days ... > J >teeny bopper coder mentality, just goes to show they havn't really learnt
 >anything.   Remember the R.A.T.S.N.E.S.T?  l  N Redmond Academy of Teenaged Software Neophytes Emitting Substandard Technology  I When will they find the time?  When they're not guzzling down free cokes,nJ they're contemplating how to lose their virginity or how to win the office pub-dart zit popping contest.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             oJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:24:27 -0500B. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: Paging vs swappingI. Message-ID: <3C60DA2B.3513269F@pressenter.com>  F I remember learning about paging and swapping years ago, when I reallyF didn't have much experience with VMS, or computers in general. I filedC it away. I've forgotten most of it, and what I remember is bits and ! pieces, and not really cohesive. t  2 Now I'm asked to explain it to the user community.  G So, I ask this learned group. I'm hoping you can refresh my memory, andr fill in some blanks.  % What is paging, and what is swapping?i  D What is paging? Hard paging? vs soft paging? Page faults? Under whatC conditions, both from a process perspective, and from a system wide ' perspective, would a process do paging?5  B What is swapping? Under what conditions is a process swapped out?   7 Are these conditions necessarily bad? Or good? Or both?a   Thanks in advance,   Lyndon -- 9G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.g    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 07:38:23 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: Paging vs swappingE3 Message-ID: <I60yDWyPDDEb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <3C60DA2B.3513269F@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:pH > I remember learning about paging and swapping years ago, when I reallyH > didn't have much experience with VMS, or computers in general. I filedE > it away. I've forgotten most of it, and what I remember is bits andt# > pieces, and not really cohesive. p > 4 > Now I'm asked to explain it to the user community. > I > So, I ask this learned group. I'm hoping you can refresh my memory, andg > fill in some blanks. > ' > What is paging, and what is swapping?a  B   Depends on who's defining them.  I'll use the VMS definitions.  E   Paging is the movement of individual pages of a process through thetD   virtual memory system (in  and out of that process' current set ofH   pages.  Paging allows a single program to be bigger than the availableE   memory.  Swapping is the movement of entire processes in and out of E   RAM.  Swapping allows the computer to handle more processes than it /   would otherwize have RAM resources to handle.y  F > What is paging? Hard paging? vs soft paging? Page faults? Under whatE > conditions, both from a process perspective, and from a system wide-) > perspective, would a process do paging?   B   Hard paging is the movememt of pages between RAM and disk.  SoftD   paging is the reassignment of RAM pages between a process' current(   set of pages and other RAM based sets.  D > What is swapping? Under what conditions is a process swapped out?   H   A process is swapped out when the memory manager determines that it isH   necessary for another process to continue, such as insufficient RAM to;   provide the latter process with its guarranteed page set.i  9 > Are these conditions necessarily bad? Or good? Or both?-  G   Paging and swapping cost performance, having lots of properly managedoB   RAM will speed up memory consuming programs.  As a rule of thumbA   swapping is only OK on memory starved systems that have lots of H   processes started that never actually get used.  This is often seen onJ   older memory limitted workstations where the graphics apps want lots of L   memory and lots of network processes are started but no-one ever connects 
   to them.  E   Paging is generally less painfull than swapping, and hard paging iss!   always more painfull than soft.d   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 09:14:46 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Paging vs swapping13 Message-ID: <NggW8JemmD02@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  _ In article <3C60DA2B.3513269F@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:=H > I remember learning about paging and swapping years ago, when I reallyH > didn't have much experience with VMS, or computers in general. I filedE > it away. I've forgotten most of it, and what I remember is bits and # > pieces, and not really cohesive.   > 4 > Now I'm asked to explain it to the user community. > I > So, I ask this learned group. I'm hoping you can refresh my memory, ande > fill in some blanks. > ' > What is paging, and what is swapping?i  E Paging is a feature of any virtual memory system.  VMS, MVS, NT, they-
 all do it.  = In a virtual memory system, you have processes with access to A a memory address space that is larger than the amount of physical-? memory allocated to the process.  Typically the virtual address B space is broken up into pages of fixed length.  At any given time,> a particular page will either be in physical memory or stashedC out on disk (aka "backing store").  Be aware that I'm glossing overY= some stuff here -- see the commentary on "soft faults" below.   F When a process attempts to access a page of virtual memory that is notC currently physically resident, it has to fetch that page from disk.h< And that's paging.  Demand paging to be technically precise.  H Of course, in order to avoid running out of physical memory, the inverseE operation must also occur.  Idle but physically resident pages in thesA process address space are harvested, written out to backing storeI> (if needed) and have their associated physical memory released for re-use.   D Sometimes it is advantageous to take an idle process, save its stateA to disk and release all of its physical memory at once.  When theoK process wakes up again, one can then allocate some physical memory, restoreeA the process from disk and resume execution.  And that's swapping.n  F > What is paging? Hard paging? vs soft paging? Page faults? Under whatE > conditions, both from a process perspective, and from a system wide ) > perspective, would a process do paging?a  B What is paging?  As above, it is the process of handling access toB pages that are part of the process virtual address space but whichB are not currently physically resident.  The term also includes the9 inverse operation of writing idle pages to backing store.c  @ What is hard paging?  When the process attempts to access a pageF and that page has to be fetched from disk, that's a "hard page fault".1 You have to spend an I/O operation to satisfy it.   @ What is soft paging?  When the process attempts to access a pageA that is not currently accessible but which can be made accessible @ without an I/O operation, that's a "soft page fault".  Soft page faults include:t  ?  Demand zero:  The process needs to access to previously unuseda> address space.  The operating system can simply pick up a free: page of physical memory, write zeroes over it and map that+ physical page into the process working set.t  C    (Working set:  The set of physically resident pages allocated topH     a particular process.  These pages can be accessed without incurring     a page fault)   @  Free page list:  When physical pages are released by processes,? they are not always re-used immediately.  And the page contents;A remain valid.  If a process attempts to access one of these pages > before it is re-allocated, the operating system can simply map% it back into the process working set.e  >  Modified page list:  Same concept as the free page list.  ButD modified pages are those that have been written on and which haven'tD yet been written back to backing store.  Again, the operating system: can simply map the page back into the process working set.  E  Global valid:  This is a shareable page that is currently physicallywE resident.  Perhaps some other process is running the same program andmG has page number 192 of DIRECTORY.EXE in its working set.  The operatingT> system can map the page into your process working set as well.    F What is a page fault?  Most of the time (99.9% or better), the virtualA memory system is essentially invisible to the CPU.  The processorl? fetches instructions from memory, reads data, writes data, doeslH computations and generally does what processors do.  The memory accesses> are indirected through multiple levels of page tables and that: indirection is accelerated by translation lookaside lists.  B When the processor attempts to access a page of memory that is not@ listed in one of those page tables it generates a "fault".  ThisA is a hardware interrupt.  The processor saves its state (prior tou< the execution of the failing instruction) and branches to anA interrupt service routine.  This service routine is also known as B a "page fault handler".  Depending on implementation details, thisC is often also the handler that detects memory protection violations"? and such.  e.g. "bus error, core dumped" or "%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO".SC The page fault handler is responsible for initiating the process of=H fetching the relevant page from backing store and making it valid within< the relevant page tables.  Once this effort is complete, theE process can be resumed right where it left off, retrying the faulting64 instruction.  This procedure is called a page fault.  - Under what circumstances will a process page?a  @ It will page if its working set size is not large enough so that@ most memory accesses can complete without incurring page faults.  C Some applications have good "locality of reference" and can performWG well with a small working set.  Some applications have poor locality ofr? reference and need a huge working set in order to perform well.   = Some applications need more physical memory than you have andn? no amount of system tuning can possibly make them perform well.b  ? Some application programmers don't have a clue about the impact ' of virtual memory on their application.r  ? VMS will attempt to grow the process working set dynamically as-H a process incurrs page faults.  This procedure is called AWSA (automatic< working set adjustment).  One can tweak system parameters toA affect this.  VMS will also shrink the process working set.  This4I can happen in a variety of ways.  AWSA can do it (but PFRATL=0 by defaultm> these days), the SWAPPER process can do it.  Image exit can do+ it.  Or an application can do it to itself.r  B Some applications run for a short time.  They fault their code andE data into the process working set and then exit.  Between the initial"C page faults and the page faults caused because AWSA hasn't had time : to kick in, these applications cause a lot of hard faults.  A Some applications run for a long time.  They fault their code and C data into the process working set and then just run and run.  TheseoH applications can, given the right amount of memory, run for days without a single page fault.  D > What is swapping? Under what conditions is a process swapped out?   @ Swapping, as above is the (nearly) complete removal of a process4 and its associated working set from physical memory.  B The swapper process is responsible for swapping processes out.  ItI is also responsible for other memory reclamation techniques (e.g. swapper D trimming) and memory management housekeeping (e.g. the modified pageE writer).  There are various system parameters that can have an impacte@ on swapping and different versions of VMS behave differently.  AE process in the SUSP state is a prime candidate for swapping.  SwapperjC likes to see those.  A process in the COM state is a poor candidateDD for swapping.  The swapper won't harvest those unless memory is very
 short indeed.0  9 > Are these conditions necessarily bad? Or good? Or both?j  L Paging is inevitable.  It is part of any virtual memory system.  Under VMS, E some hard page faults are a natural consequence of the way images ares
 activated.  C Excessive paging can be bad.  And in some cases, even catastrophic.M  B Swapping is usually benign.  If swapping becomes a problem, you've" usually got other, worse problems.  L $ MONITOR PAGE is a very useful tool and can help you with memory management tuning.   A But there is one relevant technique that is both cheaper and more 8 effective than tuning in many cases:  "Buy More Memory".   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:02:30 GMTcL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: Paging vs swappinge8 Message-ID: <00A0925C.532F1434@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  _ In article <3C60DA2B.3513269F@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:eG >I remember learning about paging and swapping years ago, when I reallyeG >didn't have much experience with VMS, or computers in general. I filedAD >it away. I've forgotten most of it, and what I remember is bits and" >pieces, and not really cohesive.  >e3 >Now I'm asked to explain it to the user community.f >:H >So, I ask this learned group. I'm hoping you can refresh my memory, and >fill in some blanks.i  H Others will surely give more detailed explanations, but here's a sketchy	 overview./  & >What is paging, and what is swapping?  H Paging and swapping are both means of keeping processes 'resident' that = collectively use more memory than is available in the system.   C >What is swapping? Under what conditions is a process swapped out? n  L Swapping, which is the older technique, basically takes entire processes andI flushes them out of memory to disk, leaving behind only enough headers in O memory that they can be rolled back in on demand.   Processes become candidates J for swapping when they do nothing whatsoever for a long time and aren't atM real-time priority and haven't been locked into memory with some trick.  TheyuF come back out of the swap file when there's something for them to do. M (So a user process that's sitting at the $ prompt all day doing nothing couldeJ be a candidate to be swapped out on a system with that's short memory, butK it'll be rolled back in if the user hits a key.  The need to roll it in mayg- trigger a search for other victim processes.)b  F >>What is paging? Hard paging? vs soft paging? Page faults? Under whatD >conditions, both from a process perspective, and from a system wide( >perspective, would a process do paging?  L Paging takes memory away from processes piecemeal.  I've been up 27 hours soN I'm not in a good position to write about all the nuances of automatic workingJ set adjustment, etc, etc, but I'll give this a shot.  Remember that with aJ virtual memory system, processes think they have their own uniform addressM space to work in, and the system is free to do whatever magic it wants behindnN the scenes to make the addresses work.  If I have a huge range of addresses inN a demand zero section in my program, I won't actually be issued the pages thatM go with it until I touch the addresses in that range, and I'll never know it.a  O With various sysgen parameters the system manager defines how much memory he orsO she wants to keep on the free (unallocated, not owned by processes) list at all O times.  If all the current processes have all the memory they need and the freeo& list is big enough, everything's cool.  I If the free list isn't big enough, some memory needs to be reclaimed from"L processes.  Typically using a least-recently-used algorithm, pages are takenK away from processes and put on the free list, but the system remembers what"M processes had them.  If the free list needs to be bigger, some dirty pages onnM it may be written to disk.  The system still needs to remember who owned theme5 and what addresses those processes thought they were.>  M If I ask for a page in my process and it's still on the free list, the system.M maps it back from the free list into my process space.  That's a _soft_ faulttF because it's just some software doing mapping, and it's a pretty cheap	 activity.t  O If the page has been flushed to disk, that's a hard page fault.  (It is in facteH possible that my page is still in an I/O cache in memory, and if so, theO contents of the page can still get back to me without incurring a real i/o, butAO it's still a hard fault because the OS can't just map the page back to me - the O i/o caching process owns it - so it's got to find me a free page, map that intoiK my space and copy the contents of the page back from the cache or from diskeJ into my new page.)  Real going-to-disk hard page faults are expensive and M time-consuming, and you want to make it both as rare and as fast as possible.IF That's why it's a good practice to have a fast page-and-swap disk thatK isn't used for anything else, and a vital practice for satellite nodes in acL cluster to do that rather than paging to a shared system disk and contending1 with every other node in the rest of the cluster.o  8 >Are these conditions necessarily bad? Or good? Or both?  H Even if you have untold gigabytes of RAM, way more than you'll ever use,L you'll still see some amount of paging, because that's what happens when youL spin up a process to start with. Pages have to come off the free list and be given to the process.c  C So seeing some paging is necessary, but not bad or good.  What getsdL unquestionably bad is if your workload requires so much more memory than youF have that you fill the page file; sometime before it gets full it willN typically get fragmented, and the OS can slow to a crawl.  (People who've beenN bit by this before will have multiple page files, and may not always start out using all of them.  K You mostly don't have to worry about soft faults, especially on modern fast-M processors; they're cheap.  If you have too many hard faults you may not haveeA enough memory or you may have mistuned your process working sets.@  L If you're getting through your workload and have adequate response time, theN only reason to even care about how much paging you do is to notice whether theN amount is increasing, and how full your pagefiles are.  You won't eliminate it	 entirely.e   Hope this helps!   -- Alan     O ===============================================================================l0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056rM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210iO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:28:06 +0000  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com3 Subject: Re: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu commanda: Message-ID: <OF318A35EF.2FEC9CE1-ON00256B58.0054D86F@btyp>  D I guess if you're used to seeing .INI files in use on your home mailA system, you think you don't need to RTFM. Easy mistake to make...    ;^D    Steve Sa        C "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> on 02/05/2002? 06:28:54 PM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:cC From:      "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>, 5e#            February 2002, 6:28 p.m.e  * Re: Problem in mail.ini: set quueu command    C >On a OpenVMS/Alpha V6.1 system, one of our users has the following < >problem when starting up mail (plain mail, not DECwindows):@ >It is apparently impossible to issue the set queue command from >within mail$init.  G It appears to be documented in the OpenVMS Users's Manual that the onlycC commands allowed in the mail initialization file are key definitiontJ commands.  The file is explicitly called a key definition file.  I believe it has always been thus. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comp= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company              F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,:$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedeK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.v  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.   I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,tD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:56:41 -0800 (PST)iA From: "Ingemar Olson, Sperling (604)444-7367" <IOLSON@nospam.com>, Subject: Queue & stock quandaryl/ Message-ID: <01KDYA1XUZXG8XSXHL@dairyworld.com>   E Somebody out there must have had to deal with this situation already.o   Here's the issue:r  L At one of our main sites we've got an impact printer that prints invoices onH some nice multi-colour continuous-form paper that's got the pre-printed 8 background with company logo and column separators, etc.  L Now they want to be able to print a "reasonable facsimile" at any of a largeL number of branch offices. The branch offices only have laser printers (HP), # so they can't use the "nice" paper.n  M We can design some modules to generate the background on the lasers and stick L them into the lasers' device library and have them printed on each page with- a /page_setup=whatever, that's not a problem.   M The problem is that the form that is used for the impact printer is of coursewL defined with a /stock=invoices so they don't print junk reports on our nice L paper. But on the lasers I really DO want them to print on the same paper asK everyone else (ie: /stock=default). And of course I do want to use the sameeD "form" for all the jobs, regardless of which queue they're going to.  " Is there a nice solution to this? L Other than setting "default" stock on the impact printer and telling people 0 not to print anything other than invoices on it?   Thanks        Ingemar Olson   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:38:30 +0100i1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>s# Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandarye4 Message-ID: <3C617826.D91176C@swissonline.delete.ch>  . "Ingemar Olson, Sperling (604)444-7367" wrote: > G > Somebody out there must have had to deal with this situation already.  >  > Here's the issue:h > N > At one of our main sites we've got an impact printer that prints invoices onI > some nice multi-colour continuous-form paper that's got the pre-printed : > background with company logo and column separators, etc. > N > Now they want to be able to print a "reasonable facsimile" at any of a largeM > number of branch offices. The branch offices only have laser printers (HP),t% > so they can't use the "nice" paper.  > O > We can design some modules to generate the background on the lasers and stick N > them into the lasers' device library and have them printed on each page with/ > a /page_setup=whatever, that's not a problem.e > O > The problem is that the form that is used for the impact printer is of courseeM > defined with a /stock=invoices so they don't print junk reports on our nicesN > paper. But on the lasers I really DO want them to print on the same paper asM > everyone else (ie: /stock=default). And of course I do want to use the samecF > "form" for all the jobs, regardless of which queue they're going to. > # > Is there a nice solution to this?sM > Other than setting "default" stock on the impact printer and telling peoplet2 > not to print anything other than invoices on it? >   G "Stock" is only a method to alert you that you might have to change then paper in some printer.  F I haven't checked these out but I would look at a couple of options...  C 1. How many trays in your printers ?  You may be able to define thetD "invoice" stock to come from one specific tray but have normal blank) paper in that tray on the laser printers.t  G 2. You might be able to define that more than one form is acceptable athC the same time.  Check the SET FORM command for the options (or some  similar command).s     cheers   John McLeanP       John McLean    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:42:49 +01000 From: "Philip Lewis" <FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com>( Subject: Re: setting the record straight- Message-ID: <a3rpv1$2h5i$1@news.cybercity.dk>o   below:  @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:EtT78.473$am1.36553@news.cpqcorp.net... >iG > Jan C. Vorbrggen wrote in message <3C5FA1E3.B71C1AA2@mediasec.de>...n% > >> I don't make the decisions here.  > >rF > >You underestimate a corporate decision making process, methinks, or Compaq > isJ > >even more broken than it appears. Formally, you're right of course, butI > >if such wide-reaching decisions do not take into account, in some way,t whatG > >the executors of said decisions - that is, you and your colleagues -  thinkMG > >about them, then the company is doomed. It's called voting with youro feet,= > >you know. > >vK > >Incidentally, I know one Compaq employee who did just that - the day thel > Alpha L > >decision was announced, he started looking for a new job, after decade(s)" > >first with DEC and then Compaq. > >s >oL > I know one who got fired, got drunk, got in an accident, and got thrown inL > jail.  People take things differently, and people have different emotionalI > investments.  If I were on the Alpha chip team, I would have had a muchi moreJ > emotional reaction.  I didn't see that here from either the Tru64 or VMSI > people when it was announced.  I didn't see a mass exodus of people outo the G > door.  In fact, it's been a while since I remember anyone leaving VMSmI > voluntarily - fact is that a lot of them are comming back.  I've workede for H > DEC/Compaq for going on 23 years, and directly for VMS for a decade or more.r >lD > While I can't say that I am happy about the phasing out of Alpha -J > EV7/Marvel for example will be the best thing we have ever built - I can onI > the other hand accept the reasons for it long term, and see a path thatm getsK > most VMS customers what they want and need, and perhaps even make it morea
 > attractive.t  & Methinks you have been sold a crock !!  : I have not seen any indications internally that VMS is notJ > supported by management.  I have seen the industry standard server groupJ > tell us that VMS is important, and take steps to make sure what they areL > designing works for us.  I have seen the incremental headcount going up in. > step with what we have asked for by quarter. >n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:26:19 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>( Subject: Re: setting the record straight2 Message-ID: <a3rs65$6s7$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  G The problem, from our and our customer's point of view is that it _was_ F a business decision.  There was no technical reason why ODS5 would notG work on a VAX, unlike some of the other new features; the same could besE said of PPPD, which would have been very useful for a period of time.sB The decision was not based on technical limitations of VAX, it was@ decided on business grounds.  So the customers could not use theE features they wanted across the cluster (and it was a big deal losingrC that clusterwide storage access if you needed to use ODS5 for other H reaons!), not because the VAX couldn't handle it, but because someone at+ DEC decided that they would not support it.j  ! Terry C. Shannon wrote in messageh. <7uZ78.117$Cg4.199445@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>... >e8 >"Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com> wrote in message- >news:a3pmmv$ghi$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...bF >> Do you remember the rather pointed queries as numerous new features came; >> out as to why they were not being made available on VAX?  SpecificallyH >> the ones that had no obvious requirement for 64-bitness?  I know thatF >> the decision to not implement ODS5 on VAX was a blow to a couple of ourcE >> larger customers who ran mixed architecture clusters.  IOW not all  their G >> business needs were met, and in this case at least it was reportedlyu ah6 >> business, not tech, decision on DECs part at fault. > F >I am not surprised that it would be a bad business decision. DEC made plenty? >of those. Fortunately they made fewer bad technical decisions.M >  >m >i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:59:22 +01000 From: "Philip Lewis" <FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com>N Subject: Re: SGI solicits Alpha customers to trade in their "orphaned" systems- Message-ID: <a3rueh$2qe9$1@news.cybercity.dk>   J So, you can learn from this that it was perhaps a mistake to hunt them off& VMS workstations in the first place !!   Dweeb.@ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message+ news:hZl68.294$am1.5257@news.cpqcorp.net...dH > We actually have several customers who are actively working to migrate back% > to VMS from their SGI workstations.m >p > < > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:Fte5lmn0TsxA@eisner.encompasserve.org...u: > > In article <31JAN02.18374991@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>,8 > karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) writes:4 > > > Now SGI is capitalizing on the Alpha "murder." > >y> > > > Three Powerful Reasons to Trade-in Your Old Compaq Alpha Microprocessor > > > on a New SGI(R) System.w > >gH > >    We replaced a ton of VAXen with SGI and we're not happy.  We feelG > >    we're much more likley to need to replace the SGIs than anythinge5 > >    else we now have, including the VAXen we kept.s > >e >e >n   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:59:27 +0100 (CET): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: STR$ELEMENT usageJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202061858370.23894-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Michael Austin wrote:   > Glen Martin wrote: > >  > > (OpenVMS Alpha v6.2tD > > This is probably something trivial that I'm overlooking, but I'm> > > having trouble getting STR$ELEMENT working in a C program. [...]r3 > >      in_string.dsc$w_length  = strlen(devname);p+ > >      in_string.dsc$a_pointer = devname;t [...]i= > Man, That is UGLY... why not use C string routines instead?     Because they are ugly ? ;>o8  Especially with the "only ASCIZ" best-to-get-bug way :]    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================cF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEo. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:35:00 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r6 Subject: Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium schedule8 Message-ID: <qnt16uk7em6rt0p1qe3u2dl0i8u304mbt0@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:48:15 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  H >Anyhoo, I would rather read about VMS-on-IPF porting progress than readB >inane press releases about Microsoft inventing computer security.  B It's my feeling VMS has had more publicity in the last six months,E part;y thanks to customer disquiet, than its had for a long time. ThetC Inquirer has a considerable readership who probably didn't know VMSe5 still existed, let alone was being ported to Itanium.u   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:53:24 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e6 Subject: Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium schedule$ Message-ID: <3c615faf$1@news.si.com>  J >Why do people put so much focus on when VMS first boots on IA64 ?  To me, the I >first important milestone is when VMS is sufficiently ported that non-HPc2 >employees will be shown the $ sign on a IA64 box.  L Now this, JF, is a TRUE statement.  This is really where the rubber hits theF road.  It doesn't matter HOW many Itaniums are up and running with VMS; _inside_ Compaq, if they're not being shipped to customers.t --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent'< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:44:47 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>6 Subject: Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium schedule6 Message-ID: <1020206133658.42681A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brian Tillman wrote:  L > >Why do people put so much focus on when VMS first boots on IA64 ?  To me, > theaK > >first important milestone is when VMS is sufficiently ported that non-HPc4 > >employees will be shown the $ sign on a IA64 box. > N > Now this, JF, is a TRUE statement.  This is really where the rubber hits theH > road.  It doesn't matter HOW many Itaniums are up and running with VMS= > _inside_ Compaq, if they're not being shipped to customers.   @ Ironically, earlier today, Jf asked in another post what was the; date VMS first booted on an Alpha, while trying to discoveri important dates in history....  . > Message-ID: <3C61542F.74BBA5AB@videotron.ca>/ > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l [...]lJ > What would be the exact birthdates for Alpha and VMS ? (first boot in a  lab or > first commercial shipment ?)  0 I'm wasting too much time on this news group :-(   -- t John Santoso Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:53:08 -0500a- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>y4 Subject: US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position+ Message-ID: <sc611942.060@AAASMTA.aaas.org>u  K I was contacted by a recruiter trying to fill this position. While I'm in =sE no rush to move back to NY, I'm sure some of you out there might be =eC interested in an OpenVMS position. Deadline to apply to Thursday, =AD 07-FEB-2002. Please send a copy of your resume to Christine Giugni = <CGiugni@tigerinfo.com>=20   Regards, John  . Title:  Tech Specialist/ Systems Administrator Type: Contract Duration: 18 MonthseE Rate: $44/hour (around $80-90K/year) + health benifits, 401k, payed =S vacation  J NOTE:  No travel is anticipated.  Location of assignment is Schenectady, =6 NY  (just outside of Albany, NY)  All work is on-site.  	 Required:FJ 1. Minimum of three (3) years hands-on system management experience with =9 Compaq Open VMS v6.2 or above in a clustered environment..G 2. Minimum of one (1) year hands on system management experience with =N UNIX.   # Desirable (in order of importance):h7 1.  Experience with VMS cluster management and support.^A 2.  Programming experience in DCL Command Procedures on Open VMS.nL 3.  Experience with storage management, backup/restore, and cluster/server = disaster recovery.. 4.  Experience working with Tru64 or AIX UNIX.I 5.  Programming experience with Shell Scripts on Tru64 Unix, and/or IBM =q AIX.I 6.  Experience evaluating the need for, and developing new utilities as =wB well as enhancing existing utilities on Open VMS and UNIX systems.A 7.  Experience with VMS system performance evaluation and tuning.wL 8.  Web server administration experience and/or Java programming experience= .t; 9.  Experience with SAMBA management in a UNIX environment.aD 10.  Experience working on a project team in a large, complex data = processing environment. G 11.  Effective English communication skills, both verbal and written, =i" including technical documentation.   Contact:=20 + Christine Giugni <CGiugni@tigerinfo.com>=20P IT and Project Services  TIGER INFORMATION SYSTEMSn 212-412-0643   Tel 212-385-3631   Fax   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:57:03 GMTy From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG_" Subject: VMS tour guides in the UK0 Message-ID: <00A09274.B5CA2970@SendSpamHere.ORG>  % This isn't exactly VMS related but...   G I will be in the UK over Easter -- Friday prior until the Sunday after.mI I'd like to meet some of the UK comp.os.vms posters and, if your willing,uG show me and my wife to the best watering holes in your locale.  We have H lodging for the first 3 nights in London at the Thistle Victoria and theG last Friday and Saturday I'll be staying at Pontins in Sands, Somerset.e? Save for those nights, we haven't planned the rest of the trip.t  F Suggestions welcome.  Please keep it out of the newsgroup and reply to* me via private email (address in the sig).   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMO            eJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes:   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:44:44 +0000o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d& Subject: Re: VMS tour guides in the UK8 Message-ID: <35j26uc73hnrtaqo4vqbu7pctbhii6op4r@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:57:03 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  & >This isn't exactly VMS related but... > H >I will be in the UK over Easter -- Friday prior until the Sunday after.J >I'd like to meet some of the UK comp.os.vms posters and, if your willing,  C There's a DECUS/CUO-UK session scheduled for Thursday, April 4th infE Reading (presumably at the old DEC Reading) near London. Full detailspF are not yet available but the one word summary "Storage" is on the webF page. DECUS UK is at www.decus.co.uk . Might be a good place to meet aE few of us. I tend to go to VMS related sessions and, depending on VMS , related storage content, may be at that one.  G >Suggestions welcome.  Please keep it out of the newsgroup and reply tou+ >me via private email (address in the sig).d  @ This in the group because DECUS might  be a good general meeting point. -- Alan   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:07:39 -0800 (PST). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>& Subject: Re: VMS tour guides in the UK@ Message-ID: <20020206160739.61608.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   Nice idea yours...  4 I am plannig to travel to Europe in Aug or September in5 vacations.... should be good to visit some people ands4 Alpha sites too... Ok I know it is a vacation, but I3 like to meet tech people and visit datacenters.. ats+ least on day per week !!!! :-))))))))))))))s     Regardse   FC g" --- system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:' > This isn't exactly VMS related but...0 > 1 > I will be in the UK over Easter -- Friday priorh > until the Sunday after.i5 > I'd like to meet some of the UK comp.os.vms posters  > and, if your willing,a3 > show me and my wife to the best watering holes in  > your locale.  We haveo1 > lodging for the first 3 nights in London at thew > Thistle Victoria and the5 > last Friday and Saturday I'll be staying at Pontinsn > in Sands, Somerset.l4 > Save for those nights, we haven't planned the rest > of the trip. > 1 > Suggestions welcome.  Please keep it out of the  > newsgroup and reply to, > me via private email (address in the sig). >  > --6 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001   >   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
 >             / >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are  > naturally drawn to my fiery 1 >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their  > envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesc >      =====t ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?1 Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!e http://greetings.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMTo& From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org>' Subject: Whatever happened to Spiralog? ' Message-ID: <3C60E583.FF055F27@ACM.org>o  & Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?   --   C.W.Holeman II  cwhii@acm.org				http://emle.org- http://also.as/cwhii		http://JulianLocals.coms   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:33:23 +0100- From: "Hermann Brunner" <hermann@brunners.de>r+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog? / Message-ID: <a3qt54$ps5$05$1@news.t-online.com>b   Gone - finito - kaputt - dead !E   Rgds,m   Hermann B.  7 "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> schrieb im NewsbeitragL! news:3C60E583.FF055F27@ACM.org...-( > Whatever finally happened to Spiralog? >0 > -- > C.W.Holeman II > cwhii@acm.org http://emle.orgm. > http://also.as/cwhii http://JulianLocals.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:41:42 +0000s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?p8 Message-ID: <1u126uk37e6hmsvhaqngakdanmhji1e9ri@4ax.com>  B On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> wrote:  ' >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?   F Died when VMS engineering in Livingston (Edinburgh) was shut down. YouD can hear conflicting stories as to why. At least two people involved@ with Spiralog (including a former project manager) are currently+ active in comp.os.vms and may jump in here.      -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:02:11 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> + Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?a) Message-ID: <3C611B43.1C4E5304@gtech.com>,   "C.W.Holeman II" wrote:e( > Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?   It got dumped.  5 I have heard that the reason was that performance wasn; not as expected (the writing itself was OK, but the cleanupf' process was using too many ressources).n   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 07:55:11 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?w3 Message-ID: <oVNrVwqGnJKG@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  i In article <3C611B43.1C4E5304@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:a > "C.W.Holeman II" wrote:e) >> Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?o >  > It got dumped. > 7 > I have heard that the reason was that performance wasl= > not as expected (the writing itself was OK, but the cleanup ) > process was using too many ressources).h  @ My opinion is that there were inappropriate vendor expectations.7 Not many customers have a write-mostly disk IO profile.V   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 06:04:00 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?i= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202060603.77e1f4c2@posting.google.com>a  e Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<1u126uk37e6hmsvhaqngakdanmhji1e9ri@4ax.com>...wD > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> > wrote: > ) > >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?b > H > Died when VMS engineering in Livingston (Edinburgh) was shut down. YouF > can hear conflicting stories as to why. At least two people involvedB > with Spiralog (including a former project manager) are currently- > active in comp.os.vms and may jump in here.t  L I heard everything was going great, then gone!  I say compaq killed it underI pressure of oracle and other db marketers ... IBM has db2, again capellas " has failed to follow the IBM plan!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:31:30 +0100i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?d) Message-ID: <3C614C52.F6BDB785@gtech.com>h   Larry Kilgallen wrote:k > In article <3C611B43.1C4E5304@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:h > > "C.W.Holeman II" wrote: + > >> Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?l > >  > > It got dumped. > >S9 > > I have heard that the reason was that performance wasi? > > not as expected (the writing itself was OK, but the cleanupn+ > > process was using too many ressources).i > B > My opinion is that there were inappropriate vendor expectations.9 > Not many customers have a write-mostly disk IO profile.   D When I asked about this (many years ago when Spiralog was hot), then: the reply I got was that Spiralog had to be backed by huge9 (write-through) cache to be efficient. So that most readsr; was processed from the cache. Making actual disk operationsl
 mostly write.b  = But that scenario would also have limited the market, becausel it would have been expensive.d   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:32:19 +0100n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog? ) Message-ID: <3C614C83.D3CB317D@gtech.com>e   Bob Ceculski wrote:+M > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> wrote:t > >h+ > > >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?e > N > I heard everything was going great, then gone!  I say compaq killed it underK > pressure of oracle and other db marketers ... IBM has db2, again capellasl$ > has failed to follow the IBM plan!   ????  ) Spiralog is a file-system not a database.l   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:34:47 +0000a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>V+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?B8 Message-ID: <06m26ug852q95kns6edgmedkirroqf79hu@4ax.com>  / On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:31:30 +0100, Arne Vajhj  <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:u  E >When I asked about this (many years ago when Spiralog was hot), thenw; >the reply I got was that Spiralog had to be backed by huge : >(write-through) cache to be efficient. So that most reads< >was processed from the cache. Making actual disk operations >mostly write. >d> >But that scenario would also have limited the market, because >it would have been expensive.  E I was the Systems manager at the University of Abertay Dundee when weVC were a Spiralog field test site. One application I can guarantee iteF greatly speeded up was ANU News. With the massive RMS index files on aC spiralog volume things speeded up markedly. Same for the item filesDA but we ran into problems if the disk filled up. The limitation on E directory access speed with thousands of files in a directory was not  present with Spiralog either.   D For something like a news server where the data is mainly write withF occasional reads (unless you are a hub site) and data integrity is notF hyper critical (this was development code and you could always rebuildB the index files from scratch if needed from the item files or evenC just lose a day's feed every so often - hey everyone else does it!) > then Spiralog, even in field test, was quite capable. SpiralogA engineering was well on its way to improving the clean-up process== ("cleaner") to reasonable efficiency imho. The "cleaner" also.. effectively defragmented the volume as it ran.  ? We also ran Purveyor as the site web cache backed by a Spiralog=8 volume. Again a write once, read occasionally operation.   I was sorry to see it go.  -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:56:55 -0500j( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?l* Message-ID: <3C616057.50803@tsoft-inc.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   g > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<1u126uk37e6hmsvhaqngakdanmhji1e9ri@4ax.com>...e > D >>On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> >>wrote: >> >>) >>>Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?a >>>xH >>Died when VMS engineering in Livingston (Edinburgh) was shut down. YouF >>can hear conflicting stories as to why. At least two people involvedB >>with Spiralog (including a former project manager) are currently- >>active in comp.os.vms and may jump in here.  >> > N > I heard everything was going great, then gone!  I say compaq killed it underK > pressure of oracle and other db marketers ... IBM has db2, again capellas6$ > has failed to follow the IBM plan! >   I Spiralog was not a database product.  It was a different manner of using aJ the disks.  Database products possibly could have benefited from Spiralog.   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 10:10:10 -0800_( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?2= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202061010.275253a6@posting.google.com>r  [ Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message news:<3C614C83.D3CB317D@gtech.com>...n > Bob Ceculski wrote: O > > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> wrote:n > > > - > > > >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?V > > P > > I heard everything was going great, then gone!  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