0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 07 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 73      Contents: $DESCRIPTOR macro  Re: $DESCRIPTOR macro  RE: $DESCRIPTOR macro  Re: $DESCRIPTOR macro  Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number  Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number  Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number 3 Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal ! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there . Anybody connect Open VMS to IBM Shark storage?" Clients & Connections on Pathworks& Re: Clients & Connections on Pathworks* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen$ CSWS(Apache) Authentication w/Radius- Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?  Re: DS10 on a KVM  Re: Dxterm displayed on Solaris  filenames defaults Re: filenames defaults Re: filenames defaults Re: filenames defaults Re: filenames defaults Re: Galaxy help!!!!  Re: LAN 3.0 for 7.2-1 Weirdness  Re: Lottery Systems  RE: Lottery Systems  MAIL$MESSAGE_GET record length? 0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month Microsoft's financials Re: Microsoft's financials Re: Microsoft's financials Re: Microsoft's financials8 Re: Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file.3 Re: PIDs of processes created during system startup N problems with VMS server not recognizing boot clients after taking it off fddiP Re: problems with VMS server not recognizing boot clients after taking it off fd Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Re: Queue & stock quandary Re: Queue & stock quandary Re: Queue & stock quandary Re: Queue & stock quandary/ Re: US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position / Re: US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position  Re: V5 Freeware - DIBOL ( VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign3 Re: VMS system on the sourceforge.net Compile Farm?  Re: VMS tour guides in the UK " Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:13:16 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: $DESCRIPTOR macro9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIAEBAA.tom@kednos.com>   D This macro from descrip.h is generating a diagnostic when compiling.  ,   static $DESCRIPTOR (prod_owner, 'KEDNOS');# ..................................^ K %CC-W-CHAROVERFL, A character constant value requires more than sizeof(int)  bytes of storage.   $ DEC C V6.0-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  G No diagnostic is generated if the string is less than 5 chars.  Is this 	 obsolete?  Am I using the wrong macro.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:25:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: $DESCRIPTOR macro, Message-ID: <3C61833F.2853B1A1@videotron.ca>   Tom Linden wrote:  > F > This macro from descrip.h is generating a diagnostic when compiling. > . >   static $DESCRIPTOR (prod_owner, 'KEDNOS');% > ..................................^ M > %CC-W-CHAROVERFL, A character constant value requires more than sizeof(int)  > bytes of storage.   ! You're going to hate yourself....   5 you need   static $DESCRIPTOR (prod_owner, "KEDNOS");     F $DESCRIPTOR expects a pointer to a string, not an array of characters.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:21:47 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: $DESCRIPTOR macro9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEIBEBAA.tom@kednos.com>   F Well, that settles it, now I am going to the optometrist! :-)  Thanks.     > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]- > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:26 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: Re: $DESCRIPTOR macro >  >  > Tom Linden wrote:  > > H > > This macro from descrip.h is generating a diagnostic when compiling. > > 0 > >   static $DESCRIPTOR (prod_owner, 'KEDNOS');' > > ..................................^ D > > %CC-W-CHAROVERFL, A character constant value requires more than 
 > sizeof(int)  > > bytes of storage.  > # > You're going to hate yourself....  > 7 > you need   static $DESCRIPTOR (prod_owner, "KEDNOS");  >  > H > $DESCRIPTOR expects a pointer to a string, not an array of characters. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:35:55 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: $DESCRIPTOR macro2 Message-ID: <Lsg88.565$am1.36633@news.cpqcorp.net>  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEIAEBAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: E :This macro from descrip.h is generating a diagnostic when compiling.  : - :  static $DESCRIPTOR (prod_owner, 'KEDNOS'); $ :..................................^L :%CC-W-CHAROVERFL, A character constant value requires more than sizeof(int) :bytes of storage. : % :DEC C V6.0-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  : H :No diagnostic is generated if the string is less than 5 chars.  Is this
 :obsolete?  G   The wrong quote characters were used.  I'd also remove the "static",  8   without knowing more about the particular source code:  &     $DESCRIPTOR(prod_owner, "KEDNOS");      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:31:26 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number2 Message-ID: <yog88.564$am1.36860@news.cpqcorp.net>  w In article <01KDYIXXYCTU8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:  :Does anyone know what   :   :   %C-F-EBADF, bad file number  : + :means?  HELP/MESSAGE doesn't say anything.   K   I would not expect a random layered product component to have its errors  L   present in the OpenVMS message library -- particularly what appears to be L   the truely ancient VAX C compiler, but then I'm guessing at the compiler, M   platform, and version information here.   (Compaq C uses %CC, after all...)   I   The EBADF is typically generated when the file descriptor is bogus, but F   I don't know why you'd be seeing this error at the %C command level.  K   Please remember to provide the version information, the OpenVMS platform  D   information, and (in cases such as this one) a concise reproducer.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:44:48 -0500+ From: "Chris Moore" <mc.moore@sympatico.ca> ( Subject: Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number: Message-ID: <EJm88.18169$Xw.2466628@news20.bellglobal.com>  G >"Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message 7 >news:01KDYIXXYCTU8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...>  >Does anyone know what >  >   %C-F-EBADF, bad file number  > + >means?  HELP/MESSAGE doesn't say anything.   H The last time I saw that message it was a pre-cursor to a disk going bad (VERY shortly thereafter)    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 22:38 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number, Message-ID: <6FEB200222380835@gerg.tamu.edu>   In article <1013017408.5152.0.nnrp-14.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>, "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk> writes... K }as a rough *guess* I would think that the fid in the header does not match  }the FID on the disk.  }  }Anal/disk/repair. }  }It should turn up as lost } G }"Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message 6 }news:01KDYIXXYCTU8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... }> Does anyone know what }>! }>    %C-F-EBADF, bad file number  }>- }> means?  HELP/MESSAGE doesn't say anything.   B As an alternative, perhaps a file version number higher than 32767 is being specified somewhere?    --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:49:16 GMT  From: lbohan@spamless..dbc.com< Subject: Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal8 Message-ID: <7u136uc2030rc0jksdace6on4r8pi77v3p@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:13:29 -0600, "patricia meece"  <pameece@oandm.uiuc.edu> wrote:   
 >Hello folks. H >I am preparing to upgrade OpenVMS from 7.1-2 to 7.3 on our Alpha4100's.K >Currently console terminal is a graphics monitor. I would like to attach a K >VT420 terminal as console so that I can setup VT420 to print screen output  >during upgrade.J >Unfortunately the previous management did not get the hardware manuals. I? >have gleaned from the System Drawer guide about EV console and J >tt_allow_login and COM1 port. To date I have had no luck getting VT420 to  >respond as the console monitor.L >Can someone reply back with some step by step instructions or where I might# >find some more hardware manuals???  >  >Thanks for your time. >   2 if ">>> set console serial" doesn't get you going,3 perhaps see if this 4100 has an RCM card installed.  (I think all 4100's do?)  " we have a DS20E w/ a bad RCM card;/ we could send keystrokes, but get nothing back.  (a bad uart probably)   7 Disabling the RCM card (switchpacks on the card itself)  restored access to OPA0.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:42:16 +0000 0 From: Mark W J Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net>* Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there- Message-ID: <3C61BF57.746159B0@ukhackers.net>    Thank you to all who responded.   b As Roy works only some 15 miles from where I live, I'm intending to take him up on his kind offer.     Mark W J Redding wrote:   ] > Having just purchased my hobbyist CD for my VAXSstation 4000 VLC I've borrowed a PLEXTOR CD  > [ > from work in order to try to install VMS on the machine. Sadly, as as I found in one post  > \ > on a newsgroup, this drive goes offline (%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER) just after I issue the backup > / > command to install the base VMS072.A saveset.  > [ > Is there anyone on this newsgroup in the London or Cambridge area who could possibly loan  > G > me a DEC CD drive (the RRD43 is the one I used when I worked on VMS).  > b > Failing this, does anyone know of an alternative method of installing VMS. I have a Linux system > Y > (and can get a FreeBSD) system that I've used in the past to install NetBSD/VAX on this  > [ > machine via the ethernet adapter. Is there a way to read/extract the files from the CD on  > Q > another system that would allow me to boot ESA0 and carryout the image restore.  > U > thanks in advance for any help (and sorry for any bad formatting, that's Netscape).  >  > -- > Mark W J Redding > H > Chaos reigns within.  Reflect, repent and reboot.  Order shall return.   -- Mark W J Redding  F Chaos reigns within.  Reflect, repent and reboot.  Order shall return.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:57:47 -05000 From: "Scott G. Smith" <s-gsmith@mindspring.com>7 Subject: Anybody connect Open VMS to IBM Shark storage? / Message-ID: <u63novabpogq3c@corp.supernews.com>   I My employer is looking to connect VMS 7.3 systems to Shark storage.  Does L anyone have real-life experience in doing this?  Any problems encountered or% success stories would be appreciated.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:46:07 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) + Subject: Clients & Connections on Pathworks 1 Message-ID: <3c61918d.149109628@news.wcc.govt.nz>    Hi All,   D I've got a call logged with Engineering but I'm trying to understand some of the definitions.  > I've got Pathworks 6.1 configured as a Member Server on a VAX.9 It's configured for 40 clients and 30 concurrent signons. B It's aprt of a cluster, the second VAX has the same configuration.  E On Monday one of the VAXes (node1) would no longer handle requests to . Map drives. "The remote computer is not known"9 I could not use Admin to logon to the PDC from this node. @ Using the second VAX (node2) I could do a Show Sessions and Show2 Connections for the node not accespting responses.  > Both the number of Connections and Sessions was well below the= configured values above. (16 Sessions and 11 connected Users)   8 The errror I was getting when attempting to conenct was  WCC\\NODE1> show service? %PWRK-E-ERRGETSRV, error getting server information for "NODE1" 9 -LM-E-ERROR_BAD_NETPA, the network path cannot be located   E Compaq Support tell me this is because I have exhausted the allowable  connections.D Once I'd shutdown Pathworks the error in the PWRK$KNBDAEMON Log file! also indicate a config shortfall.   F  Mon Feb  4 07:51:29 2002 *Error*: Refused Session request from remote. client WC011024         (IP Addr: 10.10.53.34)D  Mon Feb  4 07:51:29 2002  *****   No free KNBCB available...You may' need to re-configure for more clients!!   F My question is, why does the Admin show connect/server=node1 and Admin> show session/server=node1 seem to indicate I'm well within theE configuration parameters but the reported error and log file indicate  I'm not.  ? Is there something I've missed or is this a possible bug in 6.1   ? This config has been quite happy under 6.0D when it was a BDC.     ------------------------------   Date: 6 FEB 2002 21:24:09 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)/ Subject: Re: Clients & Connections on Pathworks 5 Message-ID: <6FEB02.21240941@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   A In a previous article, rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) wrote:    -> ...: ->The errror I was getting when attempting to conenct was  ->WCC\\NODE1> show serviceA ->%PWRK-E-ERRGETSRV, error getting server information for "NODE1" ; ->-LM-E-ERROR_BAD_NETPA, the network path cannot be located  ->  G ->Compaq Support tell me this is because I have exhausted the allowable  ->connections.F ->Once I'd shutdown Pathworks the error in the PWRK$KNBDAEMON Log file# ->also indicate a config shortfall.  ->  H -> Mon Feb  4 07:51:29 2002 *Error*: Refused Session request from remote0 ->client WC011024         (IP Addr: 10.10.53.34)F -> Mon Feb  4 07:51:29 2002  *****   No free KNBCB available...You may) ->need to re-configure for more clients!!  ->  H ->My question is, why does the Admin show connect/server=node1 and Admin@ ->show session/server=node1 seem to indicate I'm well within theG ->configuration parameters but the reported error and log file indicate 
 ->I'm not.  D The way to tell how many sessions are really in use is using NBSHOW:  # $ @sys$manager:pwrk$define_commands    $ nbshow knbstatus   Adapter status for xxxxx on ) ID: AA  00  04  00  5F  C5   Version  3.0 " Time up: 7 days 6 hours 25 minutesA Packets sent:                  0        CRC errors:             0 A Packets received:              0        Alignment errors:       0 A Retransmitted packets:         0        Collisions:             0 A Resources exhausted:           0        Aborted transmissions:  0 ? Ncbs:      Free  : 65535 of 65535;  maximum configurable: 65535 L Sessions:  In use:   126 of   175;  maximum configurable:   175 <<<------*** Adapter packet size:  1497 Local name table (15 names): ..   Note the line:  A   Sessions:  In use:   126 of   175;  maximum configurable:   175   J That's the number you want. This usually is higher than the count reported by "admin show sessions".    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison72 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 18:40:46 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>E3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screene6 Message-ID: <20020206184046.13757.qmail@gacracker.org>  C On Wed, 06 Feb 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:h >WILLIAM WEBB wrote:C >> Jellyfish in motion, sharks and birds of prey are beautiful, bute >> hardly cute.  >iF >Ok then. So we have to consider Britney Spears, Elle McPherson, Cindy >Crawford, etc.d > M >Or perhaps a picture of Elvis ?   ( we all know that despite the rumours, hec >isn't dead...)e  H That's an idea I like... Picture of Elvis with the caption "VMS will NOT leave the building".     Doc. -- O6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.nete   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 13:40:06 -0800i2 From: lee.gleason@halliburton.com (Lee K. Gleason)3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screent= Message-ID: <a74ee7e6.0202061340.63905624@posting.google.com>g  : Howzabout the mechanical Shark VMS logo? THe one that says? "Open VMS", and depicts a chrome looking robotic shark swimmingo? in blue water...don't know where I got my copy, I use it as the'9 wallpaper anytime I'm dragooned into using a WIndows box.i     Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultantsu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 05:25:44 +0100b2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenn; Message-ID: <3c6201c8.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>y  3 Lee K. Gleason (lee.gleason@halliburton.com) wrote:u< > Howzabout the mechanical Shark VMS logo? THe one that saysA > "Open VMS", and depicts a chrome looking robotic shark swimmingNA > in blue water...don't know where I got my copy, I use it as thes; > wallpaper anytime I'm dragooned into using a WIndows box.r  7 What you have there probably is art by Sorayama Hajime.    cu,    Martin -- iG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/c;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dee   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 00:39:49 -0500w- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen , Message-ID: <3C621320.4D160431@videotron.ca>   re: use of shark.-  N I just watched a 1960s documentary on 2 caped crime fighters working in a cityJ that ressembles New York. At one point, a shark jumps out of the water andJ grabs onto the leg of one of them.  The shark was in fact a trojan (with a! bomb inside) sent by the Penguin.C  < But for all its strength, the shark was defeated by a simpleH Bat-shark-repellant spray and fell back onto the water to self destruct.  L The Penguin was also able to activate a giant magnet to keep the 2 crusaders  captive onto the Penguin's buoy.  L Since the shark is controlled by the Penguin and the penguin has the abilityM to capture and keep people captive, I am not sure that using the shark as theM VMS logo is appropriate.  K Perhaps a dolphin could be used instead ? (agile swimmer, can go fast, veryo9 friendly and likable) and not associated to the Penguin. i  M How about bugs bunny ? Or perhaps some of the friendly hedgehogs used on someo/ early New Zealand Telecom prepard phone cards ?.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:50:59 -0600i! From: Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> - Subject: CSWS(Apache) Authentication w/Radius ( Message-ID: <3C616D03.DC13CC93@sosu.edu>  
 Greetings,       I would like to protect CSWS web content by authenticating web users via a Win2K box.  I have seen httpd.conf configuration files on other OSs that can hand off the authentication to another; system and then serve the page after the user is validated.n  P     I've been told this might be accomplished by loading a radius mod with CSWS.h     The VMS box would ask for a username/pass and then go ask the Win2K to validate it. (Sad, I know...)        Another option is to authenticate web users via another VMS box. We are rolling out a student information system and I want another layer of authentication.g  V     Any help is appreciated. Maybe Radius is not the product I should be looking at...   Thanks,.   Dan.   --	 Dan Moore. Administrative Computing& Southeastern Oklahoma State University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:29:00 GMTt* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?C Message-ID: <gmg88.146339$iX5.10329900@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   3 "Jack Portier" <nomail@nergens.nl> wrote in message0* news:NEc88.99$tG3.189@pollux.casema.net... >n4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:0nrv5u8v96lkl30auvqqu7gbt8oflbagpk@4ax.com...H > > On Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:30:55 GMT, "Jack Portier" <nomail@nergens.nl>
 > > wrote: > >tK > > >My guess is that Intel has made a FATAL mistake in going with EPIC and  is3 > > >going to pay dearly for it. Anyone (dis)agree?. > >.A > > Intel may not pay dearly with their follow on to the Pentium,aG > > codenamed  "Prescott" , designed to handle X86-64 code. At least if0 > > all the rumours are true.N > >gD > > Compaq and perhaps HP  may be the ones who really pay the price.J > > Compaq have all but shut up the Alpha shop with EV7 production siliconB > > now a reality and EV8 cancelled. VMS and HP-UX are supposed toI > > continue life on IA64 with the best bits of Tru64 ending up in HP-UX.  > >uG > > As Carly said "There is no plan B. We've burned our boats". And shes+ > > said that with pride. Mad, mad women...  > >-I > > Amazingly Capellas agreed to allow Carly to set fire to his own boats-@ > > as well prior to the merger getting through. Mad, mad man... > >dG > > One might assume Intel has done quite well come what may. They have2G > > DEC's best chip designers, compiler technology and engineers, FABs,%J > > patents etc and much of HPs former technology as well. And they have a
 > > "plan B".e >1L > But they will have to license the X86-64 instruction set from AMD, puttingI > them at a severe disadvantage. If AMD plays its cards wisely, they will  > surely come out on top.s  I IIRC, AMD has stated recently that copying the x86-64 ISA did not requireeG any form of licensing, and the Intel was welcome to do so if it wanted.eH That said, AMC would presumably have a first-to-market advantage if thisK happened (unless Yamhill can be brought to market very quickly, which givenoL that it's said to have been in development for multiple years already is not entirely impossible).e   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:39:29 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>f6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?" Message-ID: <3c6194ac@news.si.com>  F >Amazingly Capellas agreed to allow Carly to set fire to his own boats= >as well prior to the merger getting through. Mad, mad man...V  C How can you expect to have a Viking funeral without a burning boat?  -- nA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventC< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:54:59 GMTo4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?7 Message-ID: <TCh88.582$R03.487326@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3c6194ac@news.si.com...H > >Amazingly Capellas agreed to allow Carly to set fire to his own boats? > >as well prior to the merger getting through. Mad, mad man...R >%E > How can you expect to have a Viking funeral without a burning boat?>  L Boat? What's this about boats??? Seems to me that Carly said something about" burning bridges, not watercraft...  	 t shannont admiral, salvation navys   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 04:52:19 +0000 (UTC)7 From: dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net (Douglas Siebert)t6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?+ Message-ID: <a3t163$meu$1@sword.avalon.net>4  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  J >IIRC, AMD has stated recently that copying the x86-64 ISA did not requireH >any form of licensing, and the Intel was welcome to do so if it wanted.I >That said, AMC would presumably have a first-to-market advantage if this-L >happened (unless Yamhill can be brought to market very quickly, which givenM >that it's said to have been in development for multiple years already is not  >entirely impossible).    F AMD will have first to market advantage, but not because they couldn'tE possibly have Yamhill ready in time.  If they had it out by this time E next year, which is AFAIK about when Prestonia is supposed to appear,rE it would be close enough to Hammer to make no real difference.  It'll F be simply because if IA-64 fails, they won't admit defeat as soon as aF year from now.  Yamhill will be hiding inside all the Prestonia chips,F but it won't be enabled unless Intel concedes defeat on Itanium.  ThatG won't happen quickly.  Enabling 64 bits on Intel x86 CPUs would be IMHO H disastrous for Itanium.  It wouldn't kill it, but Microsoft would likelyD drop it and just support Intel/AMD x86-64 CPUs.  It'd just end up asF HP and Compaq's new high end niche processor to replace their old high end niche processors.o  K I have noticed Intel has changed their tone on the "2x Itanium performance"tD thing they were claiming last year for a 1.2 GHz McKinley.  Now thatF McKinley appears to have been dropped to 1 GHz (despite growing an 8thJ pipeline stage at some point in the last year or so) they claim 150 - 200%I of Itanium performance (or 1.5 - 2x)  That doesn't bode well, as even the I most optimistic 2x SPECint increase will mean McKinley merely matches theCK best SPECint score for the Athlon.  A .18u part with only 384K total cache!oH With their .13u parts due next month, and Intel already shipping theirs,F even McKinley's most optimistic SPECint numbers don't look that great.E Its .13u shrink and 6MB of cache will be needed just to keep the tail I lights of Northwood and Thoroughbred/Barton in view, let alone Hammer ands
 Prestonia.   --H Douglas Siebert                          dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net  J A good friend will help you move, a true friend will help you move a body.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:03:06 -05001 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com>o Subject: Re: DS10 on a KVM/ Message-ID: <u63dgth937vnf1@news.supernews.com>k   Belkin   The cheap ones (around $90)y  C They work fine - we just installed a couple with DS10's running VMSt  6 Marty Kuhrt <kuhrt@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:0wQ3F+qWdrCd@eisner.encompasserve.org... ? > Up until just recently I've been using DS10s with VTs pluggedt@ > into the console port.  Now I'm trying to hook some up to KVMs0 > and graphic monitors and not having much luck. > B > If I hook the keyboard, mouse and monitor up directly, eveything= > seems to work fine.  If I hook them up through a KVM, I getg@ > mixed results.  Sometimes it'll work, sometimes the mouse will? > disappear, sometimes the keyboard would lockup, sometimes thee > monitor will not sync, etc.- >-; > I've tried three different KVMs, two keyboards, and three5C > different DS10s with the same results.  The KVMs were an OmniCubey< > 2 port, a Raritan Master Console IIx 16 port, and a Compaq= > 120206-001 1X2P KVM.  The keyboards tried were LK461-A2 andc@ > LK46W-A2.  One with a 4D10T video card, the other two with theA > DV-DEPVZ-AA PCI SCSI/NIC/Vid combo card.  VMS V7.3, all patchesr > as of 1-FEB-2002.t > : > So, long story short, what DS10 KVM combo works for you?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:45:58 -0500s- From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>9( Subject: Re: Dxterm displayed on Solaris, Message-ID: <3C61EA66.BDBA0FEF@peoplepc.com>   Jack Patteeuw wrote: > F > Now the problem is the (&*^%$#@!%@# Sun keyboard !  How do I get theF > DECterm process to use a different keyboard map than the rest of the& > windows on the Solaris CDE desktop ?  K The answer of course is to use xev to find the key scan code for all of thedM keys on the numeric keypad for a particular type of keyboard and then xmodmap N to get the proper keycode sent.  The important thing is that all windows on anK X display server, regardless of what X host client they originate from, usecI the same same keymap.  Or to say it another way, the last xmodmap wins !!b     --    
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:25:53 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> Subject: filenames defaultsr3 Message-ID: <5rf88.3856$EI.20915@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>O   If I do:  = $ DIR $1$DUA33:[0,0]INDEXF.SYS,SECURITY,DSA5: /NOHEAD/NOTRAILi I will get:I $1$DUA33:[000,000]INDEXF.SYS;1  $1$DUA33:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1 DSA5:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1  , Missing parts in the filespec are defaulted:( a) by default directory (not shown here)" b) by previous file in the command  F NOW if I try to apply this to the BACKUP command in the /SELECT, it is different. Why?r Ex.:H $ backup mkb400:064i.dsa5/sav/sel=([INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT,ANVF300.DAT) INF_01$ - DISQUE:[INFASCO.SPECIAL]*.*/log/own=orig/repld  < That got me 3 files from the tape, coming from these copies: [IFAST.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;2 [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT;2 [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;3  8 Why isn't [IFAST.ANV] the default for file ANVF300.DAT ?  / I find this inconsistent with expected behavioru   Share your thoughts...   --   Syltrem-I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)a> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:34:53 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>w Subject: Re: filenames defaultswA Message-ID: <1013024109.8485.0.nnrp-14.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>i   Ahh, consistent OpenVMS.  H Its because things like copy use RMS calls and things like backup don't.  I rename also does direct ACP calls rather than RMS and has the same issuesI  ; "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> wrote in messaged- news:5rf88.3856$EI.20915@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...o
 > If I do: >i? > $ DIR $1$DUA33:[0,0]INDEXF.SYS,SECURITY,DSA5: /NOHEAD/NOTRAILE
 > I will get:S  > $1$DUA33:[000,000]INDEXF.SYS;1" > $1$DUA33:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1 > DSA5:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1 > . > Missing parts in the filespec are defaulted:* > a) by default directory (not shown here)$ > b) by previous file in the command >oH > NOW if I try to apply this to the BACKUP command in the /SELECT, it is > different. Why?n > Ex.:J > $ backup mkb400:064i.dsa5/sav/sel=([INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT,ANVF300.DAT)	 > INF_01$h/ > DISQUE:[INFASCO.SPECIAL]*.*/log/own=orig/repl  >u> > That got me 3 files from the tape, coming from these copies: > [IFAST.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;2 > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT;2 > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;3 >e: > Why isn't [IFAST.ANV] the default for file ANVF300.DAT ? >01 > I find this inconsistent with expected behaviord >  > Share your thoughts... >  > -- > 	 > SyltremrK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)a@ > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address >  >6 >5   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:47:00 -0500;- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p Subject: Re: filenames defaultse, Message-ID: <3C61882B.BF465B85@videotron.ca>   Syltrem wrote:J > $ backup mkb400:064i.dsa5/sav/sel=([INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT,ANVF300.DAT)> > That got me 3 files from the tape, coming from these copies: > [IFAST.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;2 > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT;2 > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;3 > : > Why isn't [IFAST.ANV] the default for file ANVF300.DAT ? > 1 > I find this inconsistent with expected behavior   M Backup save sets contain the full file specificatiosn (minus the device name)R as per a BACKUP/LIST.n  K /SELECT allows wildcards to be used. So if you restore ANVF300.DAT, it willnL probably find all files with that name in the save set. This is why after itK has restored the selected file, BACKUP continues to search the save set foruE other possible matches. (Which, on a TK50 is really painful torture).r  L Remember that backup searches the full saveset for individual files matchingL any of the specifications and that in the save set, ANVF300.DAT may be found before [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DATi  K If /SELECT were to populat all files in /SELECT with defaults from previoustL file, it would become next to impossible to extract in a single shot 3 filesN from 3 different directories. (again, think TK50 where a restore operation wasL measured in hours, so you wanted a single pass through the slow tape to find! all files matching your /SELECT).   M But you are right in terms of expected behaviour though, one would be temptedeM to think that a file specification would be propagated to subsequent files on"J a /select list. (forcing backup to look for files in that same directory).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:24:56 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> Subject: Re: filenames defaults 3 Message-ID: <tig88.3868$EI.19723@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>0  J I see what you mean but I would rather have BACKUP create an internal list. of selected files before starting the restore:J i.e. If I say /SELECT=([DIR]FILE.TYP,OTHERFILE) it should build a new list that would becomel* /SELECT=([DIR]FILE.TYP,[DIR]OTHERFILE.TYP)$ and then start recovering with this. That's certainly possible.  H Anyhow, next time I'll make sure I use full filspec in the /SELECT list.   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)r> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  J "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> a crit dans le message de news:! 3C61882B.BF465B85@videotron.ca...e > Syltrem wrote:L > > $ backup mkb400:064i.dsa5/sav/sel=([INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT,ANVF300.DAT)@ > > That got me 3 files from the tape, coming from these copies: > > [IFAST.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;2 > > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT;2 > > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;3 > >i< > > Why isn't [IFAST.ANV] the default for file ANVF300.DAT ? > >n3 > > I find this inconsistent with expected behaviord >rI > Backup save sets contain the full file specificatiosn (minus the devicee name)  > as per a BACKUP/LIST.y >hH > /SELECT allows wildcards to be used. So if you restore ANVF300.DAT, it willK > probably find all files with that name in the save set. This is why afters itI > has restored the selected file, BACKUP continues to search the save setb foriG > other possible matches. (Which, on a TK50 is really painful torture).r >.E > Remember that backup searches the full saveset for individual filesc matchingH > any of the specifications and that in the save set, ANVF300.DAT may be founda! > before [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DATc >uD > If /SELECT were to populat all files in /SELECT with defaults from previousH > file, it would become next to impossible to extract in a single shot 3 files L > from 3 different directories. (again, think TK50 where a restore operation wasbI > measured in hours, so you wanted a single pass through the slow tape toa find# > all files matching your /SELECT).  > G > But you are right in terms of expected behaviour though, one would bei temptedaL > to think that a file specification would be propagated to subsequent files onL > a /select list. (forcing backup to look for files in that same directory).   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 14:31:44 -0800v. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: filenames defaultsc< Message-ID: <343f30ae.0202061431.81b1d93@posting.google.com>  k "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> wrote in message news:<5rf88.3856$EI.20915@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>...M
 > If I do: > ? > $ DIR $1$DUA33:[0,0]INDEXF.SYS,SECURITY,DSA5: /NOHEAD/NOTRAILd
 > I will get:   > $1$DUA33:[000,000]INDEXF.SYS;1" > $1$DUA33:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1 > DSA5:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1 > . > Missing parts in the filespec are defaulted:* > a) by default directory (not shown here)$ > b) by previous file in the command > H > NOW if I try to apply this to the BACKUP command in the /SELECT, it is > different. Why?l > Ex.:J > $ backup mkb400:064i.dsa5/sav/sel=([INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT,ANVF300.DAT)	 > INF_01$t/ > DISQUE:[INFASCO.SPECIAL]*.*/log/own=orig/replj > > > That got me 3 files from the tape, coming from these copies: > [IFAST.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;2 > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT;2 > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;3 > : > Why isn't [IFAST.ANV] the default for file ANVF300.DAT ?  + Because the documentation states otherwise.   1 > I find this inconsistent with expected behavior@   From the backup manual:F   \" DescriptionTC If you specify more than one file, separate the file specifications D with commas and enclose the list in parentheses. Do not use a deviceC specification when you define the files to be selected. You can usea> most standard wildcard characters, but you cannot use wildcardE characters denoting latest version of files (;) and relative versionsl of files (;-n).   E Note that BACKUP does not apply temporary file specification defaultsh@ within the list. Each file specification independently takes its6 defaults from the file specification [000000...]*.*;*. "\  F The same goes for /EXCLUDE. In fact, /EXCLUDE does this also for otherB commands, and if /SELECT is present in any other command, I bet it( does it there too. Consistency is saved!   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanm afeldman;gfigroup.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:31:30 +0100l2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Galaxy help!!!!; Message-ID: <3c6192a2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>'  # labadie (labadie_g@decus.fr) wrote:o& > "Anton Yelin" <ant@x509.ru> wrote...G > > I have AlphaServer 1200 vs OpenVMS 7.3. I try set 1 instance Galaxy"5 > > (by the doc) and GCU write me %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE.r ...nL > I am not sure, but I think that you need an Alpha 4100, 8200, 8400 or more* > recent (ES, GS family)Alpha  to do that.  I Nope. Just set GALAXY SYSGEN parameter to 1 and you have a perfect 1-staruL galaxy on any Alpha (if you have the license, of course). The abovementionedL machines are the ones that you can partition (given enough CPUs, I/O, etc.).   cu,(   Martin -- cF   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.denF    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:15:50 GMT  From: lbohan@spamless..dbc.com( Subject: Re: LAN 3.0 for 7.2-1 Weirdness8 Message-ID: <rp636u8chqg982sr9132nbidc69hkrdh6e@4ax.com>  7 On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:12:12 -0500, "John Eisenschmidt"n <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote:  l >Yesterday I was trying to ftp a file from one Alpha to another. They reside not only on the same IP subnet y > (so there is no router involved), but they're attached to the same Cisco Catalyst Switch. The transfer was VERY slow - o2 >on the order of almost 4 minutes for a 300K file.r >I checked the switch and saw that the two DS10s were running 100 Half Duplex and the AS800 was running 100 Full. , >That's odd because if an Alpha is going to r >be weird it's usually the AS800. We LONG eliminated Duplex problems with NICS and the associated framing errors. p >I brought one DS10 down to the console, did a SET EWA0_MODE AUTO and it synced to the switch at 100 Full. Odd, _ >but I figured some patch I applied must have done something odd. I brought the system back up.  >h >I tried the FTP again and same terrible slowness. I thought about it all night and when I came in this morning I looked at the  >last round of patches I applied. One of them was the LAN 3.0 patch. I figured I'd give it a shot, so I renamed all the images tF >affected by that patch and renamed previous versions up and rebooted. >-W >Mind you, I've never done anything like that on VMS, so I'm amazed the system came up.. > ` >When it did, I tried to FTP again. I moved a Several-Hundred-MB Oracle Dump in about a minute. / >So I think something is funky with that patch.e >c
 >Comments? >: >Thanks, >Johns  ) we'd more or less have given up on using d) AUTOsense.  for all equipment/vendors.      ( maybe that's not practical at your site?   Post Script:   o  $ from my newsreaders' point of view  ! your posts come across with each  . paragraph seen as one long line out to yonder.  have to pull them into an editor3 and do a fill/justify on them, to read them easily.o$ (any chance you can tinker w/ that?)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:33:58 +01000 From: "Philip Lewis" <FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Lottery Systems- Message-ID: <a3s0ff$2u3d$1@news.cybercity.dk>p  E IIRC SCIGAMES of Germany (or is it Austria) is one of the BIG lotterytF software suppliers and they are a VMS and OracleRdb shop.  Clearly the, Germans (Austrians) chose with their brains.   Dweeb.  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3C600EE6.FE84D39E@firstdbasource.com...I > I just received a call from a headhunter looking for an Oracle DBA withiC > experience in both OpenVMS and NT.  The project is to replace thetJ > OpenVMS Lottery system with an NT system over the next 3-6 months.  I do' > not know who got the server hardware.l >iB > Unfortunately they needed someone *onsite* and only for up to 10C > hrs/week --remote not possible-- can't make a descent living that 	 > way....1 >GH > <name of this big state has been omitted for confidentiallity reasons> > -- >w
 > Regards, >e > Michael Austin9 > First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.coma > President/Sr. DBA Consultant > 704-947-1089 (Office)s > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)i >x   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:38:16 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>K Subject: RE: Lottery SystemsT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1C44@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  ; A number of big lotteries in Canada are also OpenVMS based.n  F Fwiw, most of the lotteries folks these days look at their business inG the same terms as a stock exchange ie. downtime is major, major $'s and D with internet based games coming, overall security, availability and% performance is a big issue with them.   H Like banks or exchanges, viruses, being hacked with credit cards exposedE etc would cause major problems for these companies as their Customersr would lose confidence in them.   RegardsK  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Servicess Voice: 613-592-4660y Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----5 From: Philip Lewis [mailto:FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com]C Sent: February 6, 2002 2:34 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comv Subject: Re: Lottery Systems    E IIRC SCIGAMES of Germany (or is it Austria) is one of the BIG lottery F software suppliers and they are a VMS and OracleRdb shop.  Clearly the, Germans (Austrians) chose with their brains.   Dweeb.  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3C600EE6.FE84D39E@firstdbasource.com...D > I just received a call from a headhunter looking for an Oracle DBA withC > experience in both OpenVMS and NT.  The project is to replace the,G > OpenVMS Lottery system with an NT system over the next 3-6 months.  I  do' > not know who got the server hardware.a >rB > Unfortunately they needed someone *onsite* and only for up to 10C > hrs/week --remote not possible-- can't make a descent living thata	 > way....e >wH > <name of this big state has been omitted for confidentiallity reasons> > -- >s
 > Regards, >t > Michael Austin9 > First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com- > President/Sr. DBA Consultant > 704-947-1089 (Office)0 > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)  >p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:55:53 +1030D/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>u( Subject: MAIL$MESSAGE_GET record length?/ Message-ID: <3C61AD71.2C62FED0@wasd.vsm.com.au>t  : The Utility Routines Manual (V7.3) states that for routine? MAIL$MESSAGE_GET item MAIL$_MESSAGE_RECORD the buffer should bee+ specified as 0 to 255 characters in length.a  E I have found that (V6.0 and V7.3 at least) accepts record items up toaD 2048.  Anyone know when this changed and why the documentation is at variance?  AATIA.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:20:52 +01000 From: "Philip Lewis" <FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthe- Message-ID: <a3rvmu$2sce$1@news.cybercity.dk>   J 1998 eh.  That would be approximately 14 years after Rdb - or am I missing something ??   Dweeb.: "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message1 news:91AC6217Ewarrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100...C. > rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) wrote in& > <3c5f1911.1170543@news.wcc.govt.nz>: >0 > >U > >Very true...[ > >0@ > >I saw an article in a PC mag that was talking about Clusters. > > I > >It stated that a Cluster that used a Lock Manager to control access toO# > >a common resouce could not work!P > >What chance have we got?s > >fI > >It seems that we're in a world where a regression from what we had can.! > >be marketed as a new feature!.[ > >CI > >I had VMS on a desktop Alpha, NT came along and trumpeted a multi-usern# > >OS on the desktop...  errrrr so?3 > >TD > >I ran RDB on a mixed architecture cluster, concurrent access fromD > >multiple machines, Oracle 9i is gloating about concurrent access. > >t
 > >Bah.... >bH > Oracle Parallel Server (7.x) supported concurrent access from multipleJ > clustered OpenVMS nodes as early as 1998 - perhaps earlier.  The 8.x andF > 9.x series continue to support it as a high-availability ($eperately > licenced) option.F >2 > ws >: > -- >  > Warren Spencer) > Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)w > The Associated Press >fB > ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:32:53 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a months3 Message-ID: <Tpg88.3872$EI.20997@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>o  6 And Oracle still doesn't completely support a cluster.E Try starting the so-called "intelligent" agent, one on each node, forN> databases running in the same ora_root but on different nodes.I You have to install a 2nd ora_root to start the agent on the second node.  Dumb.   I Actually I once tried to fix this by creating a separacted directory treerI for each node by redirecting the ORA_NETWORK directory (and some others ItH can't recall) but it all failed when I found out their software does notJ always use ORA_NETWORK: to get at files, but sometimes ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK]. So it couldn't be made to work.AK Had they use ORA_NETWORK all over, I could have done it in a couple' hours.mJ I was mostly done when I found out one compile programe (.EXE) was opening files using ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK]. ? My ORA_NETWORK logical was pointing to ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK.node].   G What are they waiting for? Do they know what a VMScluster is all about?.   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  K "Philip Lewis" <FerrariTR512m@hotmail.com> a crit dans le message de news: " a3rvmu$2sce$1@news.cybercity.dk...L > 1998 eh.  That would be approximately 14 years after Rdb - or am I missing > something ?? >5 > Dweeb.< > "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message3 > news:91AC6217Ewarrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100... 0 > > rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) wrote in( > > <3c5f1911.1170543@news.wcc.govt.nz>: > >0 > > >  > > >Very true...3 > > >3B > > >I saw an article in a PC mag that was talking about Clusters. > > >iK > > >It stated that a Cluster that used a Lock Manager to control access tof% > > >a common resouce could not work!c > > >What chance have we got?n > > >LK > > >It seems that we're in a world where a regression from what we had canb# > > >be marketed as a new feature!.  > > >eK > > >I had VMS on a desktop Alpha, NT came along and trumpeted a multi-usert% > > >OS on the desktop...  errrrr so?b > > >hF > > >I ran RDB on a mixed architecture cluster, concurrent access fromF > > >multiple machines, Oracle 9i is gloating about concurrent access. > > >a > > >Bah.... > >hJ > > Oracle Parallel Server (7.x) supported concurrent access from multipleL > > clustered OpenVMS nodes as early as 1998 - perhaps earlier.  The 8.x andH > > 9.x series continue to support it as a high-availability ($eperately > > licenced) option.c > >s > > ws > >n > > -- > >a > > Warren Spencer+ > > Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  > > The Associated Press > >iD > > ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb ** >x >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:28:24 GMTa4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a monthd0 Message-ID: <3C619ED0.D3021A2C@blueyonder.co.uk>   Syltrem wrote: > 8 > And Oracle still doesn't completely support a cluster.G > Try starting the so-called "intelligent" agent, one on each node, fort@ > databases running in the same ora_root but on different nodes.K > You have to install a 2nd ora_root to start the agent on the second node.: > Dumb.  > K > Actually I once tried to fix this by creating a separacted directory treecK > for each node by redirecting the ORA_NETWORK directory (and some others IiJ > can't recall) but it all failed when I found out their software does notL > always use ORA_NETWORK: to get at files, but sometimes ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK].! > So it couldn't be made to work.eM > Had they use ORA_NETWORK all over, I could have done it in a couple' hours.sL > I was mostly done when I found out one compile programe (.EXE) was opening! > files using ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK].eA > My ORA_NETWORK logical was pointing to ORA_ROOT:[NETWORK.node].. > I > What are they waiting for? Do they know what a VMScluster is all about?m  < aw common, thats what PATCH or whatever you use in its place on alpha is for surely? :-) :-)V   >   3   --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  a  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of e! my employers or service provider.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:54:50 +0100r1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>  Subject: Microsoft's financials05 Message-ID: <3C618A0A.77F4DC07@swissonline.delete.ch>e  G I stumbled across a vey interesting webpage that alleges that Microsoft H is making very substantial losses and has been hiding the fact for quiteE some time.  The basic argument is that Microsoft has been granting ankF excessive number of stock options and this has enabled them to present: much better profit figures than they would otherwise have.  H A quote from the article - In an 8/7/99 cover story, The Economist notedC that a proper accounting at Microsoft would result in a loss of $18uC billion for 1998 rather than the reported earnings of $4.5 billion.   A And another - According to an ABC News 1/22/99 article by MichaelaJ Martinez, Microsoft=92s own internal auditor, a respected 30 year veteran=  B and former partner of Deloitte and Touche, was fired in 1996 afterG informing management that their earnings manipulations were illegal and $ violations of the SEC and FASB laws.  4 The URL is http://billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html  F I make no judgement on the story but it does look interesting.  I alsoF wonder what the impact would be on Compaq if Microsoft came unstuck. =  F (AFAIK Compaq also issues stock options but I don't believe the number is anywhere near Microsoft's.)     John McLeano   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:08:40 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> # Subject: Re: Microsoft's financialsN, Message-ID: <3C618D3D.FF60DE7C@videotron.ca>   John McLean wrote: > I > I stumbled across a vey interesting webpage that alleges that MicrosoftU  K Ball Parish has been warning about this for a few years already.  When MS's N stock thumbled from the $120 range down to the $50 range last year, guess what- Uncle Billy did as one of the first action ?    J He reassured his employees that they would not get substantial pay cuts by  changing the stock options plan.  L Microsoft essentially is printing money by constantly issuing new stock thatM is handed to its employees. This worked fine during high growth years. But ifDN Microsoft is to stagnate in the $50-$70 dollar range and still not declare anyL dividends, institutional investors will eventually drop the stock because it won't be performing.  L I think that Gates is aware that MS's structure is no longer viable and thisG is why you are seing stuff like .NET and a an attempt to get enterprisesJ customers which would generate steady revenus not dependant on issuing newK releases of software. You'll also note that Gates' personal fortune is alsoa more diversified.d   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 13:41:26 -0800e% From: rnturn@baxter.com (Rick Turner)r# Subject: Re: Microsoft's financials = Message-ID: <9697b9e2.0202061341.22f107a0@posting.google.com>i  n John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message news:<3C618A0A.77F4DC07@swissonline.delete.ch>...I > I stumbled across a vey interesting webpage that alleges that MicrosoftrJ > is making very substantial losses and has been hiding the fact for quiteG > some time.  The basic argument is that Microsoft has been granting andH > excessive number of stock options and this has enabled them to present< > much better profit figures than they would otherwise have. > J > A quote from the article - In an 8/7/99 cover story, The Economist notedE > that a proper accounting at Microsoft would result in a loss of $18oE > billion for 1998 rather than the reported earnings of $4.5 billion.s > C > And another - According to an ABC News 1/22/99 article by MichaeleI > Martinez, Microsoft?s own internal auditor, a respected 30 year veterana > D > and former partner of Deloitte and Touche, was fired in 1996 afterI > informing management that their earnings manipulations were illegal ands& > violations of the SEC and FASB laws. > 6 > The URL is http://billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html >   F Bill Parish has been at this for, oh, a few years now.  No one in WallE Street seems to be taking him seriously.  Wonder if the current closegB attention being paid (following the Enron implosion) to accountingF practices will make a few analysts look a bit closer at the way MS has been making their profits.  H > I make no judgement on the story but it does look interesting.  I alsoG > wonder what the impact would be on Compaq if Microsoft came unstuck. 3 > H > (AFAIK Compaq also issues stock options but I don't believe the number  > is anywhere near Microsoft's.) >  > 
 > John McLeani   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:48:11 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n# Subject: Re: Microsoft's financialsn, Message-ID: <3C61C0BB.2EED0602@videotron.ca>   Rick Turner wrote:H > Bill Parish has been at this for, oh, a few years now.  No one in Wall+ > Street seems to be taking him seriously. a  D His web site does have a few articles from various US newspapers whoZ essentially say that he may be onto something even though his discourse may be exagerated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:31:37 -0600 ! From: Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu>tA Subject: Re: Need help with FTP on VMS. It is truncating my file. ( Message-ID: <3C618499.9257E606@sosu.edu>  & --------------8BD278B34A46C4AFB68D7FFC* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite   Jeff,.  %     We have had seen problem as well.c       At the ftp prompt after you login, we use this command which resets the file attributes I assume. You may investigate what these parameters are and modify them to fix your problem.  %     FTP>SITE REC=FB  LR=750 BLK=22750r   Thanks,-   Dan    Jeff wrote:   P > I am trying to FTP to an IBM AS/400 and I am only able to transfer 9068 bytes.O > It will transfer a larger file, but truncate everything after 9068 bytes. HaseO > anyone else come accross this problem? I am using VMS 7.1 on an Alpha System.,I > We can send large files from our PC's to the AS/400, but not the Alpha.  >i2 > If anyone has any sugestions, please email me at >r > scada@cyberunlimited.org >r > Thanks...d   --	 Dan Moorew    & --------------8BD278B34A46C4AFB68D7FFC) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Jeff,w7 <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We have had seen problem as well.6L <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; At the ftp prompt after you login, we use this commandI which resets the file attributes I assume. You may investigate what these 3 parameters are and modify them to fix your problem.oC <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FTP>SITE REC=FB&nbsp; <b>LR</b>=750 BLK=22750d
 <p>Thanks, <p>Dan <p>Jeff wrote:G <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I am trying to FTP to an IBM AS/400 and I am onlys able to transfer 9068 bytes.F <br>It will transfer a larger file, but truncate everything after 9068
 bytes. HasI <br>anyone else come accross this problem? I am using VMS 7.1 on an AlphaN System.rK <br>We can send large files from our PC's to the AS/400, but not the Alpha. 3 <p>If anyone has any sugestions, please email me at  <p>scada@cyberunlimited.orgl <p>Thanks...</blockquote>t   <p>--l
 <br>Dan Moore  <br>&nbsp;</html>   ( --------------8BD278B34A46C4AFB68D7FFC--   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:37:10 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>< Subject: Re: PIDs of processes created during system startup1 Message-ID: <a3t3mi$ci$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>    Uwe,I      I think you got it.  I'll need to check the autogen report, but I do-I remember seeing that reduction.  That makes perfect sense!  And it sounds@ not too hard to test.  Thanks!   Rich Jordans  B zessin@decus.de wrote in message <00A091A1.46F58150.2@decus.de>... >Rich Jordan wrote:rL >>Not a problem.  We're not _using_ the PIDs for anything, and I have Hoff'sI >>cautions concerning the opacity of the PID well memorized.  It was just  thatJ >>we can find no reason for the change when every past boot had SWAPPER at PIDlJ >>201, and now its at 101, with subsequently created processes rising fromG >>that number.  There was no upgrade, no patch installations, just some , >>tune-ups and an AUTOGEN to implement them. > A >Did any of your 'tune-ups' result in a decreased MAXPROCESSCNT ?r >a7 >There are 1 or 2 'cycle counters' included in the PID.lJ >One is on the 'left' side and increased when a node in a cluster reboots.G >The other is 'somewhere' in between and is increased when that processaC >slot is reused. It's width can grow when MAXPROCESSCNT is reduced,M4 >because less bits are required on the 'right' side. >A >--f >Uwe Zessini   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:11:28 -06001 From: "Virginia Metze" <metze@ginny.mrl.uiuc.edu>sW Subject: problems with VMS server not recognizing boot clients after taking it off fddimC Message-ID: <BOECKNAHIJPJAMDEEHDNKEPJDHAA.metze@ginny.mrl.uiuc.edu>   6 I moved a VMS server off of FDDI after the old old old6 FDDI equipment broke down.  The server is working, but6 I have tried everything I can think of and it will not recognize the boot clients.  6  " I would appreciate any suggesions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:56:18 -0500o1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>-Y Subject: Re: problems with VMS server not recognizing boot clients after taking it off fdt2 Message-ID: <3C61DEC2.D7B5C872@firstdbasource.com>   set proc/priv=allt reply/enable=(sec,network)  A Are the boot clients still on the same network?  Did MOM$LOAD get F defined, is check to make sure that DECNET is on what ever new circuit you are using...G Does DECNET start? what circuit.  It has been a while dealing with bootsH clients, but I seem to recall a config command procedure that set up the circuit etc....s -- .   Regards,  B Michael Austin -- Currently Available.  System/Database/Web Admin.7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comp       Virginia Metze wrote:s > 8 > I moved a VMS server off of FDDI after the old old old8 > FDDI equipment broke down.  The server is working, but8 > I have tried everything I can think of and it will not > recognize the boot clients.- > $ > I would appreciate any suggesions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:33:15 -0600l! From: Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu>e$ Subject: Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!( Message-ID: <3C6168DB.C110D6ED@sosu.edu>   Bob,  [     Yup. Purveyor runs CGI routines (EXEs or Scripts)  just like any other wbserver should.m        Purveyor has also had a very nice authentication/authorization interface that uses the SYSUAF. Too bad it is a retired product. I still don't understand why process let it die.e   Dan    Bob Ceculski wrote:   H > found this on this site ... I took an old perl script we had from when- > we brought our site in house and it worked!t > N > Here is an example of how to use PERL from a CGI script. It uses three filesN > TEST_CGI_VMS.HTML, PPERL.COM, and PERL_TEST.CGI. They were all placed in theM > htbin directory. It has been tested with using PERL 5.005.02's standard CGIaN > package built with DEC C V5.6-003 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H1.  The main trick  > was to use the following line: > " >     $ perl <WWW_IN: 'perl_script >hN > This trick was learned from Process Software Tech Support. They did however,K > seem to indicate that since PERL is not part of Purveyor, that this tricke > is not technically supported.8 >pR > ******************************************************************************** >y > TEST_CGI_VMS.HTML: >  > <HEAD>  > <TITLE> Perl CGI test </TITLE>	 > </HEAD>e > <BODY> > <h1>Perl test </h1>t; > <A HREF="http://www.xxx/PPERL.COM?PERL_TEST.CGI">Test</A>a > <P>v	 > </BODY>o	 > </HTML>h > R > ******************************************************************************** >l > PPERL.COM: >d > $! Setup for PERL : > $ define  PERL_ROOT DISK$xxx:[PERL5_005_02.] /trans=conc% > $ define  PERL5LIB  PERL_ROOT:[lib]13 > $ define  PERLSHR   PERL_ROOT:[000000]perlshr.exeu. > $ perl    :==  "$PERL_ROOT:[000000]perl.exe" > $!? > $! Assume the PERL scrip is in the current (HTBIN) directory. E > $ THIS_PATH = F$Element (0, "]", F$Environment ("PROCEDURE")) + "]"   > $ perl_script = THIS_PATH + p1 > $! > $ on ERROR THEN GOTO Cleanup > $ perl <WWW_IN: 'perl_script > $! > $ Cleanup: > $   deass PERLSHRr > $   deass PERL_ROOTd > $   deass perl5lib! > $   delete /symbol /global perli > $ exit ! PPERL.COM mains >wR > ******************************************************************************** >. > PERL_TEST.CGI: >a > #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w > use CGI qw(:standard);! > my $favorite = param("flavor");m2 > print header, start_html("Ice Cream"), h1("Hi"); > if ($favorite) {3 >    print p("Your favorite flavor is $favorite.");K > }c > else { >  print hr, start_form;B >  print p("please select a flavor: ",textfield("flavor","mint")); >  print end_form, hr; > }t > print end_html();f   --	 Dan Moore($ Director of Administrative Computing& Southeastern Oklahoma State University" 1405 North Fourth Avenue  PMB 4230 Durant, Oklahoma   74701-0609.+ Phone: (580) 745-2006   Fax: (580) 745-2007u   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 15:04:57 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n$ Subject: Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!3 Message-ID: <mtbNaUovNbY3@eisner.encompasserve.org>A  L In article <3C6168DB.C110D6ED@sosu.edu>, Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> writes: > Bob, > ] >     Yup. Purveyor runs CGI routines (EXEs or Scripts)  just like any other wbserver should.w >  >      Purveyor has also had a very nice authentication/authorization interface that uses the SYSUAF. Too bad it is a retired product. I still don't understand why process let it die.W  B Because the competition was giving away VMS web servers for free !   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:11:15 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca># Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandarye3 Message-ID: <udf88.3851$EI.20989@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    Suggestion:   K If the procedure that does the print knows what branch it does the job for,r* you might be able to use a different form.  I One other thing, the f$getqui service may help. Your HP printers might beuL running on IP and your LAxxx with LAT. That's something you can check in the6 procedure, and print accordingly (again with 2 forms).D If you can't tell the difference with the queue setup, then put someJ indicator in the queue description. You'll be able to get all these things using getqui   HTH    --   SyltremtI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  H "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> a crit dans le message de/ news: 3C617826.D91176C@swissonline.delete.ch...g >o > 0 > "Ingemar Olson, Sperling (604)444-7367" wrote: > >>I > > Somebody out there must have had to deal with this situation already.s > >  > > Here's the issue:a > >"D > > At one of our main sites we've got an impact printer that prints invoices ontK > > some nice multi-colour continuous-form paper that's got the pre-printedg< > > background with company logo and column separators, etc. > >fJ > > Now they want to be able to print a "reasonable facsimile" at any of a largeeI > > number of branch offices. The branch offices only have laser printerse (HP),I' > > so they can't use the "nice" paper.a > >eK > > We can design some modules to generate the background on the lasers andl stick K > > them into the lasers' device library and have them printed on each pagea with1 > > a /page_setup=whatever, that's not a problem.e > >iJ > > The problem is that the form that is used for the impact printer is of courseJ > > defined with a /stock=invoices so they don't print junk reports on our niceG > > paper. But on the lasers I really DO want them to print on the same  paper asJ > > everyone else (ie: /stock=default). And of course I do want to use the sameH > > "form" for all the jobs, regardless of which queue they're going to. > > % > > Is there a nice solution to this?oH > > Other than setting "default" stock on the impact printer and telling people4 > > not to print anything other than invoices on it? > >t >hI > "Stock" is only a method to alert you that you might have to change then > paper in some printer. >dH > I haven't checked these out but I would look at a couple of options... >yE > 1. How many trays in your printers ?  You may be able to define the F > "invoice" stock to come from one specific tray but have normal blank+ > paper in that tray on the laser printers.e >oI > 2. You might be able to define that more than one form is acceptable atuE > the same time.  Check the SET FORM command for the options (or someh > similar command).g >  >r > cheers >e
 > John McLeano >1 >  >l
 > John McLeant   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:14:39 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com># Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandaryw6 Message-ID: <1020206135423.42681B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  @ On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Ingemar Olson, Sperling (604)444-7367 wrote:  G > Somebody out there must have had to deal with this situation already.t >  > Here's the issue:l > N > At one of our main sites we've got an impact printer that prints invoices onJ > some nice multi-colour continuous-form paper that's got the pre-printed : > background with company logo and column separators, etc. > N > Now they want to be able to print a "reasonable facsimile" at any of a largeN > number of branch offices. The branch offices only have laser printers (HP), % > so they can't use the "nice" paper.< > O > We can design some modules to generate the background on the lasers and stick6N > them into the lasers' device library and have them printed on each page with/ > a /page_setup=whatever, that's not a problem.U > O > The problem is that the form that is used for the impact printer is of coursecN > defined with a /stock=invoices so they don't print junk reports on our nice N > paper. But on the lasers I really DO want them to print on the same paper asM > everyone else (ie: /stock=default). And of course I do want to use the sameiF > "form" for all the jobs, regardless of which queue they're going to. > $ > Is there a nice solution to this? N > Other than setting "default" stock on the impact printer and telling people 2 > not to print anything other than invoices on it? >  > Thanks >        Ingemar Olson  C One way to do this is to have separate device control libraries forsC each type of printer.  I'm not sure this will completely solve youru problem, but it might help.d  F The forms are defined with /page_setup=invoice (for the invoices), and7 /page_setup=normal (or /nopage_setup) for reports, etc.   : The impact printer queue is set up with /library=sysdevctl> and the laser printer queues are set up with /library=hpdevctl  ? The invoice and normal modules in sys$library:sysdevctl.tlb are:? empty.  The invoice module in sys$library:hpdevctl.tlb containsf@ the stuff to generate the logo on the background, and the normal> module is empty (or maybe has some reset commands, as needed.)  3 Then the user (or program) can do the equivalent ofg&   $ print/queue=whatever/form=invoices= and it won't matter if the queue is the impact printer or onei of the laser printers.  ? This won't solve the fact that the entries on the laser printeru; will stay in hold waiting for someone to load the "invoice" ? paper in them, which is unnecessary on the laser printers since < the invoices are printed on regular paper.  However, I think this narrows down the problem.  ; Does anyone know a way to define the same form on differento? queues that uses /stock=x on one queue and /stock=y on another? ; Can logical names be used for the stock (in the define/formh0 command) or for the form (in the print command)?7 HELP doesn't say, but sometimes these things just work!o   Anyway, I hope this helps some.    -- t John Santosn Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:25:26 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>e# Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandary A Message-ID: <1013023542.8200.0.nnrp-14.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   E I was thinking on similar lines, but using a generic queue. I haven'ttK thought this out, but a generic queue assigned to the device queue, and the H generic queue getting the "special jobs. On the real invoice printer not2 assigned to a queue, but on the site queues it is.    Ramblings, but hopefully helpful  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in messagei0 news:1020206135423.42681B-100000@Ives.egh.com...B > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Ingemar Olson, Sperling (604)444-7367 wrote: >-I > > Somebody out there must have had to deal with this situation already.z > >f > > Here's the issue:. > > D > > At one of our main sites we've got an impact printer that prints invoices on K > > some nice multi-colour continuous-form paper that's got the pre-printed.< > > background with company logo and column separators, etc. > >iJ > > Now they want to be able to print a "reasonable facsimile" at any of a large I > > number of branch offices. The branch offices only have laser printers  (HP),-' > > so they can't use the "nice" paper.  > >0K > > We can design some modules to generate the background on the lasers andp stickTK > > them into the lasers' device library and have them printed on each page> with1 > > a /page_setup=whatever, that's not a problem.  > >pJ > > The problem is that the form that is used for the impact printer is of courseJ > > defined with a /stock=invoices so they don't print junk reports on our niceG > > paper. But on the lasers I really DO want them to print on the samet paper asJ > > everyone else (ie: /stock=default). And of course I do want to use the sameH > > "form" for all the jobs, regardless of which queue they're going to. > >/% > > Is there a nice solution to this? H > > Other than setting "default" stock on the impact printer and telling people4 > > not to print anything other than invoices on it? > > 
 > > Thanks > >        Ingemar Olson >nE > One way to do this is to have separate device control libraries forfE > each type of printer.  I'm not sure this will completely solve yourt > problem, but it might help.  > H > The forms are defined with /page_setup=invoice (for the invoices), and9 > /page_setup=normal (or /nopage_setup) for reports, etc.! >t< > The impact printer queue is set up with /library=sysdevctl@ > and the laser printer queues are set up with /library=hpdevctl > A > The invoice and normal modules in sys$library:sysdevctl.tlb aresA > empty.  The invoice module in sys$library:hpdevctl.tlb containsiB > the stuff to generate the logo on the background, and the normal@ > module is empty (or maybe has some reset commands, as needed.) >55 > Then the user (or program) can do the equivalent ofE( >   $ print/queue=whatever/form=invoices? > and it won't matter if the queue is the impact printer or oner > of the laser printers. >eA > This won't solve the fact that the entries on the laser printer = > will stay in hold waiting for someone to load the "invoice"sA > paper in them, which is unnecessary on the laser printers sincep> > the invoices are printed on regular paper.  However, I think  > this narrows down the problem. >q= > Does anyone know a way to define the same form on different-A > queues that uses /stock=x on one queue and /stock=y on another? = > Can logical names be used for the stock (in the define/formo2 > command) or for the form (in the print command)?9 > HELP doesn't say, but sometimes these things just work!b >t! > Anyway, I hope this helps some.t >k > --
 > John Santose > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 03:17:12 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>d# Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandary.* Message-ID: <3C61F524.4090409@qsl.network>  , Ingemar Olson, Sperling (604)444-7367 wrote:  G > Somebody out there must have had to deal with this situation already.e >  > Here's the issue:h > N > At one of our main sites we've got an impact printer that prints invoices onJ > some nice multi-colour continuous-form paper that's got the pre-printed : > background with company logo and column separators, etc. > N > Now they want to be able to print a "reasonable facsimile" at any of a largeN > number of branch offices. The branch offices only have laser printers (HP), % > so they can't use the "nice" paper.  > O > We can design some modules to generate the background on the lasers and stickmN > them into the lasers' device library and have them printed on each page with/ > a /page_setup=whatever, that's not a problem.c > O > The problem is that the form that is used for the impact printer is of course-N > defined with a /stock=invoices so they don't print junk reports on our nice N > paper. But on the lasers I really DO want them to print on the same paper asM > everyone else (ie: /stock=default). And of course I do want to use the samePF > "form" for all the jobs, regardless of which queue they're going to. > $ > Is there a nice solution to this? N > Other than setting "default" stock on the impact printer and telling people 2 > not to print anything other than invoices on it?    E Unfortunately the only solution that I can come up with is to have a 0E detached process that wakes up every few minutes and scans the laser eH queues for jobs on hold on those specific queues with a stock mis-match.  F The detached process can reset the print job characteristics to print  properly on the laser printer.   -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:52:59 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w8 Subject: Re: US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position, Message-ID: <3C61DDF4.88B96CED@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:c > = > why run vms w/unix when vms can do it all and more securely-= > than unix?  another screwup company who hired IT people whom# > didn't know what they were doing!e  J If a user selected an application that is no longer available on VMS, thenC they have to have some unix infrastructure to run that application.e   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 17:39:50 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202061739.30f7370f@posting.google.com>2  ` "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message news:<sc611942.060@AAASMTA.aaas.org>...L > I was contacted by a recruiter trying to fill this position. While I'm in F > no rush to move back to NY, I'm sure some of you out there might be D > interested in an OpenVMS position. Deadline to apply to Thursday, E > 07-FEB-2002. Please send a copy of your resume to Christine Giugni r > <CGiugni@tigerinfo.com>  > 
 > Regards, > John > 0 > Title:  Tech Specialist/ Systems Administrator > Type: Contract > Duration: 18 MonthsoF > Rate: $44/hour (around $80-90K/year) + health benifits, 401k, payed 
 > vacation > K > NOTE:  No travel is anticipated.  Location of assignment is Schenectady, T8 > NY  (just outside of Albany, NY)  All work is on-site. >  > Required: K > 1. Minimum of three (3) years hands-on system management experience with  ; > Compaq Open VMS v6.2 or above in a clustered environment.fH > 2. Minimum of one (1) year hands on system management experience with  > UNIX.d > % > Desirable (in order of importance):i9 > 1.  Experience with VMS cluster management and support.oC > 2.  Programming experience in DCL Command Procedures on Open VMS. M > 3.  Experience with storage management, backup/restore, and cluster/server * > disaster recovery.0 > 4.  Experience working with Tru64 or AIX UNIX.J > 5.  Programming experience with Shell Scripts on Tru64 Unix, and/or IBM  > AIX.J > 6.  Experience evaluating the need for, and developing new utilities as D > well as enhancing existing utilities on Open VMS and UNIX systems.C > 7.  Experience with VMS system performance evaluation and tuning.IM > 8.  Web server administration experience and/or Java programming experience  > .e= > 9.  Experience with SAMBA management in a UNIX environment.PE > 10.  Experience working on a project team in a large, complex data c > processing environment. H > 11.  Effective English communication skills, both verbal and written, $ > including technical documentation. >  > Contact:  + > Christine Giugni <CGiugni@tigerinfo.com>   > IT and Project Servicese > TIGER INFORMATION SYSTEMSL > 212-412-0643   Tel > 212-385-3631   Fax  ; why run vms w/unix when vms can do it all and more securely*; than unix?  another screwup company who hired IT people who*! didn't know what they were doing!a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:21:30 GMTp2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: V5 Freeware - DIBOL2 Message-ID: <efg88.562$am1.36996@news.cpqcorp.net>  H In article <0$hLyYYbCptd@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:+ :In article <3c5ff82c$1@news.kapsch.co.at>,i. : eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:K :> In article <YV60ZnZt3cLL@cpva.saic.com>, mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:tJ :>>Included on the V5 freeware is the old VAX DIBOL distribution. Is there :>>a license to accompany it?  :>>(; :>>http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dibol/e :> 2: :> Haven't seen a response so far. Did you get an answer ? :>   :> -- ? :> Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111 2651c> :> Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111 888? :> KAPSCH AG      Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net K :> A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"  : B :No... no response. It would be nice if a future freeware included& :the license (as was done with Bliss).    G   Bluntly, I screwed up when I put that Dibol kit onto the Freeware V5.   G   Until and unless I can fully clear it, I will not be providing a PAK.-      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 02:51:41 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)n1 Subject: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaigna' Message-ID: <a3sq3t$1n1$1@joe.rice.edu>r Keywords: when,pigs,flys  B VMS has been called the "Rodney Dangerfield" of operating systems,/ because it doesn't get the respect it deserves.   B Perhaps the future owner of VMS (HP, IBM, CA) could use Rodney in  some television ads.  & I'll take my meds now, Nurse Diesel...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:06:10 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)< Subject: Re: VMS system on the sourceforge.net Compile Farm?2 Message-ID: <6Vg88.570$am1.37094@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <3C5491D9.3080506@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:+ :Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  :t* :> In article <3C53870D.53EF8F2A@ACM.org>,1 :>"C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.organization> wrotet :> oD :>>Has anyone looked into having a VMS system on the sourceforge.net :>>Compile Farm? :>>lG :>>	https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=762&group_id=1o   ..F :I do not know the specifics of SourceForge, but in general the build E :farm is used to make sure that when someone makes a change, that it n :builds on all platforms.c ..  G   I might be able to scrounge up hardware and licenses -- anybody have  B   details on the logistics and particularly the system management E   requirements for inclusion in the Sourceforge build farm?  (I have  9   tried the URL; sourceforge is inaccessable at present.)t    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:09:39 +0100t, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>& Subject: Re: VMS tour guides in the UK& Message-ID: <3C618D83.159DC2D0@gmx.ch>   Try to stop by Zurich.   D.     Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Nice idea yours... > 6 > I am plannig to travel to Europe in Aug or September > in7 > vacations.... should be good to visit some people andm6 > Alpha sites too... Ok I know it is a vacation, but I5 > like to meet tech people and visit datacenters.. atb- > least on day per week !!!! :-))))))))))))))h > 	 > Regardss >  > FC.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:50:47 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>a+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?n/ Message-ID: <u63jr8hou73o34@news.supernews.com>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0202061010.275253a6@posting.google.com...J7 > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messageg% news:<3C614C83.D3CB317D@gtech.com>.... > > Bob Ceculski wrote: J > > > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> wrote: > > > >e/ > > > > >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?e > > >lL > > > I heard everything was going great, then gone!  I say compaq killed it under F > > > pressure of oracle and other db marketers ... IBM has db2, again capellas( > > > has failed to follow the IBM plan! > >  > > ???? > > - > > Spiralog is a file-system not a database.s > >" > > Arne >l= > I know that, except that it would have allowed access speedl< > and allowed for such things as backups on open files which@ > is not allowed now and might entice people to use rms as their > db instead of buying one!t  F It was a myth that Spiralog could make a valid backup of an open file.K Spiralog could take a "snapshot" of a disk and backup that snapshot view ofoJ the disk.  If an RMS file was in the middle of splitting a bucket when theD snapshot is taken then the backup copy of that file will be corrupt.  J The advantage of snapshots is that you only have to stop your applicationsK for as long as it takes to make the snapshot.  If you really want to backup"& while your app keeps running, use Rdb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:21:48 -0500h2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?eJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0602022321480001@1cust96.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  O In article <3C60E583.FF055F27@ACM.org>, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> wrote:m  ' >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?   - It went to the great disk platter in the sky.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 06:10:13 GMT(* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?s? Message-ID: <9To88.1830$EP1.280584@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>p  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:u63jr8hou73o34@news.supernews.com...    ...i  H > It was a myth that Spiralog could make a valid backup of an open file.J > Spiralog could take a "snapshot" of a disk and backup that snapshot view ofL > the disk.  If an RMS file was in the middle of splitting a bucket when theF > snapshot is taken then the backup copy of that file will be corrupt. >tL > The advantage of snapshots is that you only have to stop your applicationsF > for as long as it takes to make the snapshot.  If you really want to backup( > while your app keeps running, use Rdb.  ? I'm afraid you don't understand how RMS works, what constituteseE 'corruption', or the similarities between RMS and Rdb in this matter.a  J 1.  RMS indexed file bucket splits (like ODS-2 operations underneath them)H perform actions using 'careful replacement', such that if a system crashG interrupts them the file is *not* left 'corrupted' in any way (the onlymK exception being the rare instance when the crash interrupts the update of a E single, multi-block bucket - but that situation does not apply to thenJ Spiralog snapshot case since Spiralog snapshots presumably do not break up single Write requests).r  J 2.  I don't know how carefully RMS-32 handles updates to a multi-key file:K there may be crash cases (and Spiralog snapshot cases) where some alternatemF key updating may be left incomplete (at one point I had a design whichH avoided this, but I don't know whether RMS-32 ever implemented something9 similar).  But of course that's not the example you gave.O  5 3.  Thus (at least for single-key files) RMS providesoI snapshot/crash-resiliency analogous to that which you ascribe to Rdb:  itsF just uses smaller (single-operation) transactions as the definition ofL consistency (or, of course, full transaction-style RMS recovery units if youI choose, which cover the multi-key file cases as well).  And in both casesrL (Rdb and RMS) your application needs to structure its transactions such thatK each leaves all its underlying data in a recovery-consistant state in ordercE for 'on-line' snapshotting (without the kind of application pause youo# mention above) to work effectively..  H In other words, there's nothing any more 'mythical' about Spiralog's (orJ some similar mechanism's) ability to back up an open file than about Rdb'sG ability to handle on-line backup:  in both cases, the mechanisms create F crash-consistent copies of the underlying data which the system eitherJ during backup or on recovery makes consistent at the level of the API thatK applications use to access that data, and in both cases this may or may not G be sufficient to avoid the need for additional application intelligencefH during operation and/or during recovery.  RMS's recovery unit facilitiesL offer a mechanism similar to Rdb transactions to make the application's lifeI on recovery easier, but they still don't always satisfy all needs in thissI area (hence the lack of such mechanisms would not constitute a definitivei difference, either).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:44:14 -0500% From: shannon@widomaker.com (Shannon)gY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com . Message-ID: <uhtr3a.322.ln@escape.shannon.net>  ) In article <m1nm3a.c93.ln@teabag.cbhnet>, 0 Chris Hedley <cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk> wrote:> >According to Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@widomaker.com>:J >> ..among other things, yes.  I've always heard that the incomprehensibleF >> Tangier Islanders are speaking English as it was 300-400 years ago,E >> it's just that the rest of us, England included, have all changed.u >aA >I've heard that theory a few times, but I don't really buy it asl? >England has distinct regional accents, and has done for, well,eD >forever probably.  If there'd been a significant change, I would'veB >expected probably one homogenous accent to have developed, rather@ >than for *all* regional accents to have changed but still to beA >often undecipherable to someone of another region as is the casec >today.   < Yes, but those others have all diverged from what they were.  C The Tangier islanders (and a few others in the Bay) have not. TheiroF isolation has left a lot of their dialect unchanged for centuries now.  E I think that's what is meant by their being representative of English  in that era.  C Of course, I cannot remember what part of England they came from ors where influenced by now. o   -- nH shannon@widomaker.com  _________________________________________________F ______________________/ armchairrocketscientistgraffitiexenstentialistB  "And in billows of might swell the Saxons before her,-- Unite, oh@  unite!  Or the billows burst o'er her!" -- Downfall of the Gael   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:48:22 -0500% From: shannon@widomaker.com (Shannon) Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com7. Message-ID: <mptr3a.q42.ln@escape.shannon.net>  8 In article <4a8v5uc0hhisdr77khhsi8bptta7dqk1uv@4ax.com>,6 Brian Inglis  <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> wrote:  F >>In article <Zv578.4657$3E5.376480@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,/ >>William Meyer <wmhmeyer@earthlink.net> wrote:hK >>> "Charles Shannon Hendrix" <shannon@news.widomaker.com> wrote in messagei, >>> news:h1ji3a.j21.ln@escape.shannon.net... >>> >r> >>> > And WE are perfectly happy to let you lay claim to that. >>> L >>> Might as well be, as the southern English patois in America is descended/ >>> rather cleanly from the Queen's own tongue.c >>I >>..among other things, yes.  I've always heard that the incomprehensible E >>Tangier Islanders are speaking English as it was 300-400 years ago,oD >>it's just that the rest of us, England included, have all changed. >h? >It's nice that you recognize the Celtic regions as bastions oft >old dialects. c  H Are they Celtic? I can't remember, and I've not been out there in years.H The island was dying the last time I went out there. The next generation? is not expected to stay. I'm surprised it has lasted this long.m  F When I was there they had a small airport and a TV station, and fairly1 modern schools after decades of resisting it all.a   -- jH shannon@widomaker.com  _________________________________________________F ______________________/ armchairrocketscientistgraffitiexenstentialistB  "And in billows of might swell the Saxons before her,-- Unite, oh@  unite!  Or the billows burst o'er her!" -- Downfall of the Gael   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Feb 2002 19:40:19 GMTs0 From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins)Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comj, Message-ID: <a3s0r3$1t7i@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>  . In article <uhtr3a.322.ln@escape.shannon.net>,& Shannon <shannon@widomaker.com> wrote:    D >The Tangier islanders (and a few others in the Bay) have not. TheirG >isolation has left a lot of their dialect unchanged for centuries now.D  F Wait a minute, isn't dialect supposed to change *faster* in isolation?     hawk   -- mP Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics         /"\   ASCII ribbon campaignL dochawk@psu.edu  Smeal 178  (814) 375-4700           \ /   against HTML mailI These opinions will not be those of                   X    and postings. o; Penn State until it pays my retainer.                / \   -   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 01:00:28 GMTn, From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comg% Message-ID: <1013043628snz@dsl.co.uk>s  - In article <uhtr3a.322.ln@escape.shannon.net>A2            shannon@widomaker.com "Shannon" writes:   [apropos Tangier Islanders]W  E > Of course, I cannot remember what part of England they came from ore > where influenced by now. n  6 If they're the ones I think they are, it's Bristolian.   -- .M Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.ukcM     "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one oftM     distributed ignorance.  And we know and understand less while being incr-yM     easingly capable."              Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labsi   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.073 ************************l work is on-site. >  > Required: K > 1. Minimum of three (3) years hands-on system management experience with  ; > Compaq Open VMS v6.2 or above in a clustered environment.fH > 2. Minimum of one (1) year hands on system management experience with  > UNIX.d > % > Desirable (in order of importance):i9 > 1.  Experience with VMS cluster management and support.oC > 2.  Programming experience in DCL Command Procedures on Open VMS. M > 3.  Experience with storage management, backup/res -O    -O    -O    -O    -O    -O    -O    -O    -O    	-O    
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