0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 07 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 74      Contents: Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number  ACL quesiton???  Re: ACL quesiton???  Re: ACL quesiton??? 3 Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal ? ANNOUNCE: CSWS 1.2, CSWS_PHP 1.0, CSWS_PERL 1.1, and PERL 5.6-1 : auditing a single executable (was Re: good legal practice) BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) RE: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Capellas just doesn't get it! ! Re: Capellas just doesn't get it! ! Re: Capellas just doesn't get it!  Creating a symbiont  Re: Creating a symbiont  Re: Creating a symbiont ( Re: CSWS(Apache) Authentication w/Radius Re: curses on OpenVMS  Re: curses on OpenVMS  Re: DCPS and Ricoh Aficio 1035- Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?  Re: DS10 on a KVM  Re: DS10 on a KVM ' Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY % Re: emacs21 working a little bit more  Re: filenames defaults Re: Galaxy help!!!!  Re: Galaxy help!!!!  Goldman's merger advice to HP  Re: Good auditing practice.  Re: Good auditing practice.  Re: Good auditing practice.  Re: Good auditing practice.  Re: Good auditing practice.  Re: good legal practice  Re: good legal practice 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)   Help with Performance Monitoring$ Re: Help with Performance Monitoring$ Re: Help with Performance Monitoring$ Re: Help with Performance Monitoring$ Re: Help with Performance Monitoring Re: installing cobol Re: installing cobol  Re: interrupt state CPU activity/ Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links  Problem with smtp. Re: Problem with smtp. Re: Problem with smtp. Re: Problem with smtp.P RE: problems with VMS server not recognizing boot clients after taking it off fd Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Re: Queue & stock quandary Re: Queue & stock quandaryB SET WATCH (was: RE: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.))F Re: SET WATCH (was: RE: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.))F Re: SET WATCH (was: RE: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.))> Snippet from USA today on Land Warrior digital-fighting system/ Re: US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position " Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?" Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?; Why are Alphas so fast when performing number calculations? ? Re: Why are Alphas so fast when performing number calculations? & [ANN] Data Plotting Library DISLIN 7.6  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:53:10 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ( Subject: Re: %C-F-EBADF, bad file number; Message-ID: <01KDZL727CYM8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   M >   I would not expect a random layered product component to have its errors  N >   present in the OpenVMS message library -- particularly what appears to be N >   the truely ancient VAX C compiler, but then I'm guessing at the compiler, O >   platform, and version information here.   (Compaq C uses %CC, after all...)    Compiled on   .    Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1H1   #    COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHz    Error occurred while running on   !    Compaq AlphaServer GS140 6/700       V7.3   K >   The EBADF is typically generated when the file descriptor is bogus, but H >   I don't know why you'd be seeing this error at the %C command level.   That's a start.   M >   Please remember to provide the version information, the OpenVMS platform   >   information,    	 See above   7 > and (in cases such as this one) a concise reproducer.   C Unfortunately, a concise reproducer isn't possible to come up with   quickly (if at all).  G This seems a completely puzzling error, and the REAL error might be in  B any of several otherwise more or less unrelated places, so before E delving deeper I just wanted to hear if anyone knew exactly what the  I error means (perhaps providing concise code which causes it), whether it  ! is related to any known bugs etc.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 08:39:04 -0800  From: jcho888@yahoo.com (James)  Subject: ACL quesiton???= Message-ID: <43c45dcb.0202070839.63c53b81@posting.google.com>   B Is possible to delete just the Alarm or Audit ACL, with out effect other ACL on the file?  C I'm  try to writing a script will delete ACL of list of file. but I > not know the way to just delete the Alarm or Audit only. is it possible can any one help  Thanks   James    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:13:30 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> Subject: Re: ACL quesiton???3 Message-ID: <_Ay88.4024$EI.21575@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   1 ACL on files and audit/alamr are different thngs.   G You can have an alarm when an access is made to a file and it is denied  because of ACL protection.  E If you don't want the alarm, disable it. If you don;t want the audit,  disable it. ; If you don;t want the security on the file, remove tha ACL.    --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  < "James" <jcho888@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message de news:2 43c45dcb.0202070839.63c53b81@posting.google.com...D > Is possible to delete just the Alarm or Audit ACL, with out effect > other ACL on the file? > E > I'm  try to writing a script will delete ACL of list of file. but I @ > not know the way to just delete the Alarm or Audit only. is it > possible can any one help  > Thanks >  > James    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:23:59 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>  Subject: Re: ACL quesiton???1 Message-ID: <mDz88.9509$X2.104874@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   , "James" <jcho888@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:43c45dcb.0202070839.63c53b81@posting.google.com... D > Is possible to delete just the Alarm or Audit ACL, with out effect > other ACL on the file? > E > I'm  try to writing a script will delete ACL of list of file. but I @ > not know the way to just delete the Alarm or Audit only. is it >..   + SET SECURITY /ACL=oldace/DELETE will do it;    $ set security -C    /acl=(alarm=security,access=read+write+delete+success+failure) -     sys$login:login.com $ dir/acl login.com    Directory SYS$USERS:[PWEAVER]   5 LOGIN.COM;3                1  16-JUL-2000 10:13:04.86 C           (ALARM=SECURITY,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+DELETE+SUCCESS+FAILURE)      Total of 1 file, 1 block.    $ set security -D     /acl=(alarm=security,access=read+write+delete+success+failure) -     sys$login:login.com/delete $ dir/acl login.com    Directory SYS$USERS:[PWEAVER]   5 LOGIN.COM;3                1  16-JUL-2000 10:13:04.86    Total of 1 file, 1 block.    --J A study has shown that sheep can remember faces for up to 2 years, I guess- that means I'm dumber than the average sheep.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:16:11 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> < Subject: Re: alpha4100 console connection to serial terminal2 Message-ID: <uIy88.653$am1.37272@news.cpqcorp.net>   Chris Bardell wrote in message4 <9f261edc.0202060535.1388b942@posting.google.com>...E >Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message 7 news:<01KDYAU8E3C28Y62A4@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>... K >> > 1. I believe there's an environmental variable at console level to set 3 >> > the type of terminal on Alphas. Something like  >> > >> > >>>SET CONSOLE SERIAL >>	 >> Right.  >>K >> > from the console prompt. Granted, you're having difficulty getting the & >> > console port to respond at all... >>D >> Indeed.  What was the point in having the console chosen this way. >> instead of via a switch like the S3 switch? >>  K So we don't have to have a swicth accessable?  You can do the same thing by L unplugging the KB.  When the console can't talk to it, it will switch to the serial port.  I >> > 2. Have you tried all baud rates with the VT420? Should be 8-bit, no H >> > parity, but could be any baud rate. Applies equally to the use of aF >> > terminal emulator or console mgmt product as per previous poster. >> >> Any baud rate?  >    9600 is the default    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:50:44 -0500+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> H Subject: ANNOUNCE: CSWS 1.2, CSWS_PHP 1.0, CSWS_PERL 1.1, and PERL 5.6-12 Message-ID: <v0A88.658$am1.37372@news.cpqcorp.net>  B     Announcing new releases of CSWS, CSWS_PHP, CSWS_PERL, and PERLL    ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------   G    Compaq Secure Web Server (CSWS) V1.2 was announced January 25, 2002.   &     Also released on January 25, 2002:  3             CSWS_PHP 1.0 (PHP and mod_php 4.0.4PL1) )             CSWS_PERL 1.1 (mod_perl 1.25)              Perl 5.6-1  :     CSWS 1.2 is based on Apache 1.3.20, mod_ssl 2.8.4, and     OpenSSL 0.9.5a.        New Features:   !         - Apache 1.3.20 code base <         - Cluster-wide SSL session caches: shared-memory for@           Galaxy clusters and file-based for non-Galaxy clusters         - mod_proxy (built-in)          - mod_rewrite (built-in)         - Bug-fixes   K See http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html for  more information.   
 Rick Barry) Compaq Secure Web Server Development Team  OpenVMS System Software Group  Compaq Computer Corporation 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:03:16 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> C Subject: auditing a single executable (was Re: good legal practice) = Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0202070958570.29699-100000@jaipur>     On 7 Feb 2002, Doc.Cypher wrote:F > Anyway, can someone answer my original question, which I'll rephrase
 > slightly...  > A > How do I audit use of single executables (i.e. TELNET and SSH)?   A We did this at a site I used to work.  We put an alarm ACL on the J executable in question.  This way, whenever the image is accessed an OPCOMG message is sent to an OPCOM security log.  It's possible to set the ACL 2 such that it is invisible to non-privileged users.  7 The problem with this is that I believe the ACL will be H triggered if someone only accesses the file header (like with DIRECTORY)$ as well as if the image is executed.   -Ryan    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:14:46 +0100$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch># Subject: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) % Message-ID: <3c6261a7$1@news.post.ch>    Hello,  C I'd like to know, who is using this product and with what succcess.    best regards   Jakob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:19:29 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) ' Message-ID: <3C6262C1.5678765D@aaa.com>   > Not personaly, but I know many sites and with great success... Anything specificaly ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.      Jakob Erber wrote: >  > Hello, > E > I'd like to know, who is using this product and with what succcess.  >  > best regards >  > Jakob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:23:35 +0100, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) = Message-ID: <3c62727e$0$199$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>   / "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> wrote in message  news:3c6261a7$1@news.post.ch...  > Hello, > E > I'd like to know, who is using this product and with what succcess.  >  > best regards >  > Jakob   I I know very little about MessageQ itself, but I know of a site where they  use it. I The most important problem they have is that MessageQ doesn't like DECnet  over IP with DECnet-Plus.   ) Let me know if you want more information.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 06:46:05 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) 3 Message-ID: <aBSzbB25MFlA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3C6273CE.3F63E56A@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: 1 > All sites I'v seen with BMQ uses "native" TCPIP 1 > between the differents host. Since BMQ supports / > TCPIP directly, why use DNET-over-IP at all ?   	 Security.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:32:14 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) ' Message-ID: <3C6273CE.3F63E56A@aaa.com>   / All sites I'v seen with BMQ uses "native" TCPIP / between the differents host. Since BMQ supports - TCPIP directly, why use DNET-over-IP at all ?    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Bart Zorn wrote: > K > I know very little about MessageQ itself, but I know of a site where they 	 > use it. K > The most important problem they have is that MessageQ doesn't like DECnet  > over IP with DECnet-Plus.  > + > Let me know if you want more information.  >  > Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:44:34 -0600 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>' Subject: RE: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) C Message-ID: <NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJGEDCHDAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>   4 We use it extensively .. pretty steady and reliable.   art    -----Original Message-----1 =46rom: Jan-Erik S=F6derholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com] ) Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:19 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ)     > Not personaly, but I know many sites and with great success... Anything specificaly ?   Jan-Erik S=F6derholm.      Jakob Erber wrote: >  > Hello, > E > I'd like to know, who is using this product and with what succcess.  >  > best regards >  > Jakob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:28:13 +0100$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch>' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) # Message-ID: <3c6280ee@news.post.ch>   @ One statement of the BEA web site, about the product for VMS is:   Threads not supported   / Why should this be the case specificly for VMS?    regards    Jakob   5 "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> schrieb im Newsbeitrag  news:3c6261a7$1@news.post.ch...  > Hello, > E > I'd like to know, who is using this product and with what succcess.  >  > best regards >  > Jakob  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 09:52:50 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202070952.e2a45bb@posting.google.com>  U Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:<3C6273CE.3F63E56A@aaa.com>... 1 > All sites I'v seen with BMQ uses "native" TCPIP 1 > between the differents host. Since BMQ supports / > TCPIP directly, why use DNET-over-IP at all ?  >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >  > Bart Zorn wrote: > > M > > I know very little about MessageQ itself, but I know of a site where they  > > use it. M > > The most important problem they have is that MessageQ doesn't like DECnetm > > over IP with DECnet-Plus.e > > - > > Let me know if you want more information.h > > 
 > > Bart Zorn1  @ it would work w/tcpwares decnet phase IV over IP, and you use it4 to get extra protection, sort of like encryption ...   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 09:54:27 -0800l( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ)H= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202070954.7e5667ca@posting.google.com>e  q "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote in message news:<3c62727e$0$199$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>...e1 > "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> wrote in message.! > news:3c6261a7$1@news.post.ch... 
 > > Hello, > >>G > > I'd like to know, who is using this product and with what succcess.f > >t > > best regards > >n	 > > Jakobo > K > I know very little about MessageQ itself, but I know of a site where theye	 > use it. K > The most important problem they have is that MessageQ doesn't like DECnete > over IP with DECnet-Plus.n > + > Let me know if you want more information.t >  > Bart Zornt  D it would work w/tcpwares phase IV over IP as this is true decnet, no pseudo stuff w/pwip drivers ...h   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 07:48:55 -0800e( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)& Subject: Capellas just doesn't get it!< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202070748.a85080a@posting.google.com>  > This was on the Inquirer ... this proves Capellas is doomed to> fail as he just doesn't understand that the high end mainframeA era is the future and pc's are dead!  This was cut out from below A article to illustrate ... he still thinks there is money in pc's!g  > The fact is that the PC business is a strategic business, withD significant opportunities for growth and profitability. I'm proud of: the progress we've made in our PC business under difficultE circumstances. I'm proud of the outstanding record of innovation that E our PC team continues to build. And I'm proud that this will continue.3 to be a strategic business in the combined company.S   from this article ....  0 Capellas launches charm, offensive against Walt   % Loneliness of a long distance runner 2& By Mike Magee, 06/02/2002 09:28:27 BST  F COMPAQ STAFF WORLDWIDE had this E-Missive from Mike Capellas when they2 yawned and opened their inboxes this fine morning: To: Compaq Global Team  D During the next day or two, you will see news reports about a letterE that Walter Hewlett is sending to HP shareholders urging them to votei& against the proposed Compaq/HP merger.  > Compaq and HP will begin mailing our joint proxy/prospectus to@ shareholders on Wednesday, and we plan an aggressive campaign toC communicate with shareholders and win their support for the merger.oB The special shareholder meetings will be held on March 19 (HP) and March 20 (Compaq).  C We are more convinced than ever that this merger is the best way tocA increase value for employees, customers and shareholders. It willw0 enable us to achieve three strategic objectives:  B * Expand our enterprise capabilities across products, software andD solutions. HP's strength in data center UNIX and management softwareD together with our strengths in industry standard servers, enterprise? storage and high performance computing will give us the richest % enterprise portfolio in the industry.i  C * Grow and achieve critical mass in global services. We will double F the size of our service business and extend our reach into new markets and growth opportunities.   F * Improve the economics of the PC business while driving innovation in* new markets and new categories of devices.  F In his letter, Walter Hewlett quotes me as saying that the PC business is a "rotten business."e  E He took those words from the transcript of an employee broadcast thatsF I did with Carly Fiorina, HP's Chairman and CEO, in California on Dec. 4. Here is what I said:   > "If you think of the world of the PC business as the standard,D all-beige box, then I think it is a rotten business. If you think of? what the next generation [of access will be], this is all aboutrA creating the next generation of consumer Internet experience. The D combination of where the Internet will be is that intersection point> between the Internet, distributed and very, very rich content,E starting with music, extending out into [audio] and video . . . Think2! of what we can do in the future."r  > The fact is that the PC business is a strategic business, withD significant opportunities for growth and profitability. I'm proud of: the progress we've made in our PC business under difficultE circumstances. I'm proud of the outstanding record of innovation thatrE our PC team continues to build. And I'm proud that this will continuen3 to be a strategic business in the combined company.   B This merger is about the future of computing - not the past. It isE about building on the complementary strengths of two great companies.kA It is about industry leadership. It is about creating significant-A value for customers based on a rich portfolio of technology and a@& clear understanding of customer needs.  F We remain confident that shareholders will see the compelling value in5 this combination and will vote to support the merger.    Michaeli   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:56:13 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n* Subject: Re: Capellas just doesn't get it!, Message-ID: <3C62B198.85DB3132@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:- > @ > This was on the Inquirer ... this proves Capellas is doomed to@ > fail as he just doesn't understand that the high end mainframe' > era is the future and pc's are dead! C  H And you fail to understand that the future in with Windows and "industryK standard" (aka:Intel) machines.  Curly and Carly are convinced that this isoN the future and are therefore positioning their companies accordingly. And theyJ have the support of their boards. It is absolutely impossible that so manyM people in such high positions could make such a strategic mistake, therefore,  they must be right.l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:43:19 -06001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>e* Subject: Re: Capellas just doesn't get it!8 Message-ID: <a3uauc$119$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  L I donno about the mainframe being the future and PCs are dead comment below.  J Everyone who "needed" a PC probably has >1 by now, so its no surprise that PC sales have slowed somewhat.  E PCs used in concert with mainframes in the corporate environment?  OK     PCs in the computer room?  Nope.  H PCs on the desktop/schools/home?  Sure and don't forget to include iMacs too.    5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message-6 news:d7791aa1.0202070748.a85080a@posting.google.com...@ > This was on the Inquirer ... this proves Capellas is doomed to@ > fail as he just doesn't understand that the high end mainframeC > era is the future and pc's are dead!  This was cut out from belowbC > article to illustrate ... he still thinks there is money in pc's!g >D@ > The fact is that the PC business is a strategic business, withF > significant opportunities for growth and profitability. I'm proud of< > the progress we've made in our PC business under difficultG > circumstances. I'm proud of the outstanding record of innovation thatsG > our PC team continues to build. And I'm proud that this will continue 5 > to be a strategic business in the combined company.o >  > from this article ...- >-1 > Capellas launches charm, offensive against Waltm >o& > Loneliness of a long distance runner( > By Mike Magee, 06/02/2002 09:28:27 BST >DH > COMPAQ STAFF WORLDWIDE had this E-Missive from Mike Capellas when they4 > yawned and opened their inboxes this fine morning: > To: Compaq Global Team > F > During the next day or two, you will see news reports about a letterG > that Walter Hewlett is sending to HP shareholders urging them to votea( > against the proposed Compaq/HP merger. > @ > Compaq and HP will begin mailing our joint proxy/prospectus toB > shareholders on Wednesday, and we plan an aggressive campaign toE > communicate with shareholders and win their support for the merger.aD > The special shareholder meetings will be held on March 19 (HP) and > March 20 (Compaq). >sE > We are more convinced than ever that this merger is the best way toSC > increase value for employees, customers and shareholders. It willo2 > enable us to achieve three strategic objectives: > D > * Expand our enterprise capabilities across products, software andF > solutions. HP's strength in data center UNIX and management softwareF > together with our strengths in industry standard servers, enterpriseA > storage and high performance computing will give us the richeste' > enterprise portfolio in the industry.e >sE > * Grow and achieve critical mass in global services. We will double H > the size of our service business and extend our reach into new markets > and growth opportunities.o >pH > * Improve the economics of the PC business while driving innovation in, > new markets and new categories of devices. > H > In his letter, Walter Hewlett quotes me as saying that the PC business > is a "rotten business."p >eG > He took those words from the transcript of an employee broadcast thatMH > I did with Carly Fiorina, HP's Chairman and CEO, in California on Dec. > 4. Here is what I said:  >p@ > "If you think of the world of the PC business as the standard,F > all-beige box, then I think it is a rotten business. If you think ofA > what the next generation [of access will be], this is all aboutgC > creating the next generation of consumer Internet experience. ThecF > combination of where the Internet will be is that intersection point@ > between the Internet, distributed and very, very rich content,G > starting with music, extending out into [audio] and video . . . Thinkl# > of what we can do in the future.". > @ > The fact is that the PC business is a strategic business, withF > significant opportunities for growth and profitability. I'm proud of< > the progress we've made in our PC business under difficultG > circumstances. I'm proud of the outstanding record of innovation thatlG > our PC team continues to build. And I'm proud that this will continuei5 > to be a strategic business in the combined company.p >tD > This merger is about the future of computing - not the past. It isG > about building on the complementary strengths of two great companies.uC > It is about industry leadership. It is about creating significant C > value for customers based on a rich portfolio of technology and ap( > clear understanding of customer needs. > H > We remain confident that shareholders will see the compelling value in7 > this combination and will vote to support the merger.o >g	 > Michaelw   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 02:53:22 -0800l7 From: babiarz at endor.com <babiarz_member@newsguy.com>A Subject: Creating a symbiont) Message-ID: <a3tmb20303h@drn.newsguy.com>e  6 I would like to create a symbiont for alpha vms 7.2-1.> This symbiont would take an entry from the que and process the? file. This would not be printing a job, only used for filtering , emails, and sent the entry to another queue.  6 Where do I look in the manuals for writing a symboint?   tiap   john   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:00:56 +0300 4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>  Subject: Re: Creating a symbiont0 Message-ID: <3C626C78.BA28314A@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>   Hi John,M 	have a look to "OpenVMS Utilitiy Routines Manual", Chapter 16. "Symbiont/Jobt% Controller Interface (SMB) Routines".r   "babiarz at endor.com" wrote:v > 8 > I would like to create a symbiont for alpha vms 7.2-1.@ > This symbiont would take an entry from the que and process theA > file. This would not be printing a job, only used for filtering . > emails, and sent the entry to another queue. > 8 > Where do I look in the manuals for writing a symboint? >  > tia0 >  > john   --   Cheers,TF +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .......................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222vE  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222cF +http://starlet.deltatel.ru ................. SysMan rides HailStorm +   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 07:12:49 -0600C From: briggs@encompasserve.org  Subject: Re: Creating a symbiont3 Message-ID: <KvAGZvvVHZx2@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  c In article <a3tmb20303h@drn.newsguy.com>, babiarz at endor.com <babiarz_member@newsguy.com> writes:e8 > I would like to create a symbiont for alpha vms 7.2-1.@ > This symbiont would take an entry from the que and process theA > file. This would not be printing a job, only used for filteringo. > emails, and sent the entry to another queue. > 8 > Where do I look in the manuals for writing a symboint?  G For this particular application, you might consider a piece of software E known as EXECSYMB.  It is a symbiont that lets you execute a piece ofr* DCL code to process each job in the queue.  $ This kind of thing is a perfect fit.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:54:56 -0500+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>e1 Subject: Re: CSWS(Apache) Authentication w/Radiust2 Message-ID: <rzw88.632$am1.37160@news.cpqcorp.net>  . "Dan Moore" <dmoore@sosu.edu> wrote in message" news:3C616D03.DC13CC93@sosu.edu... > Greetings, > J >     I would like to protect CSWS web content by authenticating web usersI via a Win2K box.  I have seen httpd.conf configuration files on other OSs2/ that can hand off the authentication to anotheri= > system and then serve the page after the user is validated.e >CL >     I've been told this might be accomplished by loading a radius mod with CSWS. L >     The VMS box would ask for a username/pass and then go ask the Win2K to validate it. (Sad, I know...)  > J >      Another option is to authenticate web users via another VMS box. WeH are rolling out a student information system and I want another layer of authentication.y >4J >     Any help is appreciated. Maybe Radius is not the product I should be
 looking at...o >a	 > Thanks,l >  > Dan  >e > -- > Dan Mooree > Administrative Computing( > Southeastern Oklahoma State University >l >,  F There are many authentication plug-ins for Apache many of which can be@ ported to OpenVMS without a lot of difficulty.. Among these are:  3 http://www.freeradius.org/mod_auth_radius/ (Radius)e% http://nona.net/software/ldap/ (LDAP)rB http://stonecold.unity.ncsu.edu/software/mod_auth_kerb/ (Kerberos)  J For a complete list, go to URL http://modules.apache.org/search and search for "auth".   
 Rick Barry) Compaq Secure Web Server Development Teamu OpenVMS Systems Software Group Compaq Computer Corporation 
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:18:49 +0000 , From: Mark Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net> Subject: Re: curses on OpenVMS- Message-ID: <3C625488.B13D15A8@ukhackers.net>h  H > Yes, many. Look at DecForms as a product you can use for this purpose.J > It will give you a text-console front-end for your application. There isF > also a library with these kind of routines, but I will have to ask aL > collegue about its name. Compaq Cobol has text console statements as well. >o  % Or, for us really old hands, try FMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 09:15:52 -0800i) From: gary.morin@emergis.com (Gary Morin)u Subject: Re: curses on OpenVMS= Message-ID: <4f886957.0202070915.1c0b7ecb@posting.google.com>   Q I know about and use the SMG ones.  Where is the BSD flavored version documented?      -- Gary (with old VMS docs)/  h koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<AAPsCqN2yRZV@eisner.encompasserve.org>...n > In article <f9dc0a5a.0202010803.4e858b9c@posting.google.com>, tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung) writes: > > G > > I've read about the curses implementations of OpenVMS and know that F > > it's not 100% compatible with other curses. Is that still true for > > OpenVMS v7.3?O > I >    VMS supports two flavors of curses:  a slightly VMS-specific flavor,k? >    and BSD UNIX flavor.  If you want SVID you're out of luck.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:20:56 -0500- From: "Todd Nelson" <toddnelson_@hotmail.com> ' Subject: Re: DCPS and Ricoh Aficio 1035d' Message-ID: <3c627f38_2@news7.fast.net>o  $ No luck getting this device to work.  I I tried port 10001 --> both with DCPS and without DCPS (i.e. Tried telnet0 queue also).  G I am trying to contact the vendor to see if they can give me more info.e   Thanks all.1   Todd.7  >  "Paul Anderson" <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote in message5 news:010220021603548179%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com...47 > In article <3c5adf2b$1_1@news7.fast.net>, Todd Nelsono" > <toddnelson_@hotmail.com> wrote: >aL > > We have a Ricoh Aficio 1035 Copier / Printer that we would like to print to > > from OpenVMS.  > >eI > > 1) The Ricoh has a network interface and is connected to our network.oF > > 2) We use DCPS / DCPS open for other printers - and therefore have	 licenses.a > >oL > > What is the port number to print to?  The best info I have found appears to) > > be 9100 - but it appears not to work.a >nF > As the previous poster mentioned, the printer might be using anotherI > port such as 10001.  Even if you use the right port in your DCPS setup,-I > if the printer does not support bi-directional IP communication, a DCPS  > queue will not work. >pD > I have worked with some of these multi-function devices, and heard> > about others, and I believe most do not offer bi-directional; > communication.  Most network laser printers *do* and most = > printer/copiers *don't*.  Don't ask my why, except that thehH > printer/copiers probably come from the company's copier division whichI > means they take a copier and slap a network card on it, and the printeri; > division has long been producing robust network printers.i >y? > Once you are using the right port, try setting the printer todH > PostScript mode instead of auto-sensing PostScript/PCL mode.  Also tryH > defining the DCPS$queuename_NO_SYNC logical name to TRUE.  If all that? > fails, you're probably out of luck with DCPS for this device.m >i) > In that case, use LPR or Telnet queues.o >n > Paul >t > -- >  Paul Anderson >   OpenVMS Engineering  >   Compaq Computer Corporation7   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:50:10 +0000h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>s6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?8 Message-ID: <hnm46uk5e1h751vmkea5cr1pln4qk7fego@4ax.com>  4 On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:54:59 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:     >PM >Boat? What's this about boats??? Seems to me that Carly said something aboutr# >burning bridges, not watercraft...   C Nope she actually said "boats". Here's a post of mine where I firstpD referenced it together with The Inquirer link. The full text of this> "address the troops" meeting can be found in the SEC filings.   n% From: Alan Greig (a.greig@virgin.net)t2 Subject: We've burned our boats say Compaq and HP 6 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, comp.sys.dec, comp.unix.tru646 View: Complete Thread (33 articles) | Original Format  Date: 2001-10-11 03:38:14 PST   n  @ The Inquirer has a report of Carly and Curly's 'Houston love-in'7 conference for staff. Here's a few selected quotes fromp' http://www.theinquirer.net/10100114.htmi   Carly:E "There is no backup plan. We've burned the boats, we've landed in thedD brave new world, and we are going to go forward. And I, for one, whoC have developed a core competence in ignoring bad press can tell youwA that, put all the headlines aside, put the short-term stock priceiF reaction aside, and as Michael said to me at the end of the first day,B you know what, we're just going to go prove them wrong, and that'sB exactly right. And that to me is the most fun of all, setting yourE sights high, having everyone in the world underestimate you, and thenr blowing their socks off."o  9 Wonder just when Carly first blew Curly's r^hsocks off :)d   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:59:04 -0800" From: Erik Magnuson <erik@cts.com>6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?: Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.43.0202070756390.4203-100000@erik>  % On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Alan Greig wrote:l  5 >On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:54:59 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"t# ><terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  >r >g >>N >>Boat? What's this about boats??? Seems to me that Carly said something about$ >>burning bridges, not watercraft...  H Think Cortes invading Mexico - he burned his boats so there was no going back.d     >aD >Nope she actually said "boats". Here's a post of mine where I firstE >referenced it together with The Inquirer link. The full text of thisa> >"address the troops" meeting can be found in the SEC filings. > & >From: Alan Greig (a.greig@virgin.net)2 >Subject: We've burned our boats say Compaq and HP7 >Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, comp.sys.dec, comp.unix.tru64l6 >View: Complete Thread (33 articles) | Original Format >Date: 2001-10-11 03:38:14 PST >i >IA >The Inquirer has a report of Carly and Curly's 'Houston love-in'c8 >conference for staff. Here's a few selected quotes from( >http://www.theinquirer.net/10100114.htm >a >Carly: F >"There is no backup plan. We've burned the boats, we've landed in theE >brave new world, and we are going to go forward. And I, for one, who D >have developed a core competence in ignoring bad press can tell youB >that, put all the headlines aside, put the short-term stock priceG >reaction aside, and as Michael said to me at the end of the first day,oC >you know what, we're just going to go prove them wrong, and that'ssC >exactly right. And that to me is the most fun of all, setting your F >sights high, having everyone in the world underestimate you, and then >blowing their socks off." >a: >Wonder just when Carly first blew Curly's r^hsocks off :) >h >--o >Alanu >e    
 Erik Magnusonp   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 08:34:53 GMTo3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)a Subject: Re: DS10 on a KVM0 Message-ID: <a3te7d$kk8$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  c In article <u63dgth937vnf1@news.supernews.com>, "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:r >Belkin  >e >The cheap ones (around $90) >eD >They work fine - we just installed a couple with DS10's running VMS  I As long as you use the PC-style keaboard. The tricky thing is a DEC-styleu	 keyboard.a   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannw  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:37:16 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>! Subject: Re: DS10 on a KVM2 Message-ID: <f0z88.657$am1.37343@news.cpqcorp.net>  I VMS and Tru64 both run the keyboard in scanset 3 mode, and also program au few additional settings.  J The X WIndows System wants to see all keys go down and all keys go up, theL simplest way to do this on a PS2-style keyboard is to program it into a modeJ that sends a single keycode (and up prefix) for each key.  The PeeCee runsK the KB in the default mode - in which it does stupid things like generatingbB different keycodes if say, the shift key is pressed, and generates multi-byte sequences.n  C So you have a major problem using a "simple" keyboard switch.  When0K switching to an Alpha box running VMS or Tru64, you really want to generateML a power up sequence - this will allow the KB driver to determine the type ofK keyboard, and program it.  When switching to the PeeCee, the KB needs to be B reset, but the power up sequence probably doesn't need to be sent.   _Fredr    ' Christoph Gartmann wrote in message ...mD >In article <u63dgth937vnf1@news.supernews.com>, "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes:  >>Belkin >> >>The cheap ones (around $90)  >>E >>They work fine - we just installed a couple with DS10's running VMS  >hJ >As long as you use the PC-style keaboard. The tricky thing is a DEC-style
 >keyboard. > 	 >Regards,r >   Christoph Gartmann >tI >-- --------------------------------------------------------------------+nI >| Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |:I >| Immunbiologie                                                        | I >| Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |oI >| D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |gI >+--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:50:47 +0000s3 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com>u0 Subject: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY3 Message-ID: <3C624DF6.AB3B4537@unnecessary.csc.com>c   Hi,e  E I have a dumpfile which I kept getting DUMPEMPTY errors on when I wassB trying to read it. I followed the patching instructions from a DSNE article and finally got to the crash info. OK so far. I would like to H 'fix' the dumpfile in sys$system but can't as it is locked all the time.H The dumfile copy routine at system startup cannot do its' job because ofC this initial error. Do I have to re-create the dumpfile to overcomeeG these error messages or can it be fixed? One more complication, this is D a shared dumpfile in a 4 node VAX cluster running VMS 6.1 (cannot be
 upgraded).  > If I have to recreate, can someone sanity check the following:!     drop 3 boxes to chevron level      rename the dumpfilei%     use autogen to re-create the filei     bounce this boxr     bring up the others.   Thanks,e   Adeg   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:12:15 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>i4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTYA Message-ID: <1013080361.1106.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>u  F There is a lack of information here. Is this a cluster? Is it a shared	 dumpfile?a  0 In any case with one node the sequence would be:   rename the dumpfilec reboot make new dumpfilei  reboot again ( to get it mapped)    @ "Adrian Birkett" <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> wrote in message- news:3C624DF6.AB3B4537@unnecessary.csc.com...t > Hi,  >tG > I have a dumpfile which I kept getting DUMPEMPTY errors on when I wastD > trying to read it. I followed the patching instructions from a DSNG > article and finally got to the crash info. OK so far. I would like toiJ > 'fix' the dumpfile in sys$system but can't as it is locked all the time.J > The dumfile copy routine at system startup cannot do its' job because ofE > this initial error. Do I have to re-create the dumpfile to overcometI > these error messages or can it be fixed? One more complication, this issF > a shared dumpfile in a 4 node VAX cluster running VMS 6.1 (cannot be > upgraded). > @ > If I have to recreate, can someone sanity check the following:# >     drop 3 boxes to chevron levelg >     rename the dumpfiler' >     use autogen to re-create the filee >     bounce this boxl >     bring up the others. >a	 > Thanks,  >i > Adeo >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:49:41 +0000 3 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> 4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY3 Message-ID: <3C6269D5.925E18DA@unnecessary.csc.com>k  D With all due respect, I don't think you've read the whole message if you're asking that.)   Adee   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:15:54 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk> 4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTYA Message-ID: <1013084176.2586.0.nnrp-12.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>e  I okay the extra steps to make it shared are to create file entries on eachm! node to pint to the new dumpfile.-  E you will need to reboot the first node twice and the other nodes once.    @ "Adrian Birkett" <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> wrote in message- news:3C6269D5.925E18DA@unnecessary.csc.com... F > With all due respect, I don't think you've read the whole message if > you're asking that.s >i > Ade+ >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 08:22:03 -0600r- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY3 Message-ID: <Csowk3degJ7Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  i In article <3C624DF6.AB3B4537@unnecessary.csc.com>, Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> writes:h > Hi,. > G > I have a dumpfile which I kept getting DUMPEMPTY errors on when I waseD > trying to read it. I followed the patching instructions from a DSNG > article and finally got to the crash info. OK so far. I would like toaJ > 'fix' the dumpfile in sys$system but can't as it is locked all the time.J > The dumfile copy routine at system startup cannot do its' job because ofE > this initial error. Do I have to re-create the dumpfile to overcomehI > these error messages or can it be fixed? One more complication, this is-F > a shared dumpfile in a 4 node VAX cluster running VMS 6.1 (cannot be > upgraded).  F    Can you make a copy of what you have now with the SDA copy command?0    How about backup/ignore=(interlock,nobackup)?  @ > If I have to recreate, can someone sanity check the following:# >     drop 3 boxes to chevron levell >     rename the dumpfilec' >     use autogen to re-create the file  >     bounce this box  >     bring up the others.  F    Looks good to me, except that you have to fix up the aliases beforeF    you bring up the other boxes (use set file/remove to remove the old8    aliases and set file/enter to point to the new file).      h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:56:26 +0000h3 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> 4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY3 Message-ID: <3C629599.3EBC93F8@unnecessary.csc.com>    Thanks to all for the info.   F In answer to your questions, The SDA fails on entry with the dumpemptyD error, but backup works as you would expect. I hadn't realized thereD were aliases involved so I'll have to alter my plan to include them.   Thanks,t   Ader   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:34:39 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>f4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY2 Message-ID: <3C62C91F.49C43229@clarityconnect.com>  C I'm a bit confused as to why you believe that you need to 'fix' thebH DUMPEMPTY in the current system dump file?  The next time the system hasG an event that would write valid non-operator requested shutdown info tovE the dumpfile SDA will no longer report the DUMPEMPTY error.  Remembert8 that you get the DUMPEMPTY due to the following scenario  % 1) System crashes and writes the dump  2) System rebootsfF 3) Operator requested shutdown is invoked and as a final stage of this5 the header records are updated in the system dumpfileo 4) System is rebootedn  5) SDA will now report DUMPEMPTY  G Now with a shared dumpfile in a cluster you will also get the DUMPEMPTYlG error if after Node A crashes and then you shutdown any other node thataD maps to the dump as it then overwrites the headers in the dumpfile. B This is one of the drawbacks of a shared dumpfile that needs to be, considered when choosing this configuration.   Adrian Birkett wrote:m >  > Hi,n > G > I have a dumpfile which I kept getting DUMPEMPTY errors on when I was@D > trying to read it. I followed the patching instructions from a DSNG > article and finally got to the crash info. OK so far. I would like to J > 'fix' the dumpfile in sys$system but can't as it is locked all the time.J > The dumfile copy routine at system startup cannot do its' job because ofE > this initial error. Do I have to re-create the dumpfile to overcome I > these error messages or can it be fixed? One more complication, this is F > a shared dumpfile in a 4 node VAX cluster running VMS 6.1 (cannot be > upgraded). > @ > If I have to recreate, can someone sanity check the following:# >     drop 3 boxes to chevron levelr >     rename the dumpfileo' >     use autogen to re-create the file- >     bounce this boxb >     bring up the others. > 	 > Thanks,t >  > Adeh   -- cD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:13:43 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>d. Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more- Message-ID: <a3tk0n$k58$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>n  ' Roar Throns <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote:d  5 : "Distribution" is at ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/emacsh  * New one at emacs211_5.bck.gz. (Almost 40M)  5 (Start it with mcr []temacs_d -l loadup, for example)    Now M-x shell also works.tF (Have also tidied up a bit with #ifdefs for an eventual reintegration." Not much done, but I am just one.)  * Feedback, debuggers and developers needed.  : : SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=00000000, param=00000000,K : PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000, target PC=FFFFFFFF80A50B44, PS=0000001Bn   : Those errors are still there.h( : I have no idea about what causes them.  4 Still suspecting timers, and have still no idea why.   Regards, Roar Throns   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:20:06 -05000 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> Subject: Re: filenames defaultsv3 Message-ID: <GWw88.4005$EI.21610@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   * A case of RTFM has struck me. I'm ashamed.
 Thans to all!  --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)a> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  K "Alan E. Feldman" <SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM> a crit dans le message de news:s1 343f30ae.0202061431.81b1d93@posting.google.com...r= > "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> wrote in messagea/ news:<5rf88.3856$EI.20915@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>...  > > If I do: > >$A > > $ DIR $1$DUA33:[0,0]INDEXF.SYS,SECURITY,DSA5: /NOHEAD/NOTRAILr > > I will get: " > > $1$DUA33:[000,000]INDEXF.SYS;1$ > > $1$DUA33:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1  > > DSA5:[000,000]SECURITY.SYS;1 > >n0 > > Missing parts in the filespec are defaulted:, > > a) by default directory (not shown here)& > > b) by previous file in the command > >hJ > > NOW if I try to apply this to the BACKUP command in the /SELECT, it is > > different. Why?  > > Ex.:L > > $ backup mkb400:064i.dsa5/sav/sel=([INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT,ANVF300.DAT) > > INF_01$C1 > > DISQUE:[INFASCO.SPECIAL]*.*/log/own=orig/repl  > >B@ > > That got me 3 files from the tape, coming from these copies: > > [IFAST.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;2 > > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF200.DAT;2 > > [INFASCO.ANV]ANVF300.DAT;3 > >f< > > Why isn't [IFAST.ANV] the default for file ANVF300.DAT ? >n- > Because the documentation states otherwise.m >i3 > > I find this inconsistent with expected behaviorG >g > From the backup manual:j >: > \"
 > DescriptiontE > If you specify more than one file, separate the file specificationstF > with commas and enclose the list in parentheses. Do not use a deviceE > specification when you define the files to be selected. You can usey@ > most standard wildcard characters, but you cannot use wildcardG > characters denoting latest version of files (;) and relative versionsi > of files (;-n).e > G > Note that BACKUP does not apply temporary file specification defaults B > within the list. Each file specification independently takes its8 > defaults from the file specification [000000...]*.*;*. > "\ >sH > The same goes for /EXCLUDE. In fact, /EXCLUDE does this also for otherD > commands, and if /SELECT is present in any other command, I bet it* > does it there too. Consistency is saved! >. > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman  > afeldman;gfigroup.com,   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:47:26 +0100, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> Subject: Re: Galaxy help!!!!* Message-ID: <a3tbef$fil$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  ? "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote in message@5 news:3c6192a2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de...C% > labadie (labadie_g@decus.fr) wrote:0( > > "Anton Yelin" <ant@x509.ru> wrote...I > > > I have AlphaServer 1200 vs OpenVMS 7.3. I try set 1 instance Galaxy.7 > > > (by the doc) and GCU write me %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE.  > ...oI > > I am not sure, but I think that you need an Alpha 4100, 8200, 8400 or  more, > > recent (ES, GS family)Alpha  to do that. >vK > Nope. Just set GALAXY SYSGEN parameter to 1 and you have a perfect 1-starp? > galaxy on any Alpha (if you have the license, of course). The  abovementionedG > machines are the ones that you can partition (given enough CPUs, I/O,o etc.). >   I Well, it's even better! You don't need a GALAXY license to run a one star  GALAXY!   	 Bart Zorno   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 04:23:48 -0800o From: ant@x509.ru (Anton Yelin)h Subject: Re: Galaxy help!!!!= Message-ID: <b29f8652.0202070423.30b23a1a@posting.google.com>a  ^ "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote in message news:<a3tbef$fil$1@news1.xs4all.nl>...A > "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote in message 7 > news:3c6192a2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de...l' > > labadie (labadie_g@decus.fr) wrote:e* > > > "Anton Yelin" <ant@x509.ru> wrote...K > > > > I have AlphaServer 1200 vs OpenVMS 7.3. I try set 1 instance Galaxyp9 > > > > (by the doc) and GCU write me %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE.  >  ...K > > > I am not sure, but I think that you need an Alpha 4100, 8200, 8400 orh >  more . > > > recent (ES, GS family)Alpha  to do that. > >tM > > Nope. Just set GALAXY SYSGEN parameter to 1 and you have a perfect 1-staraA > > galaxy on any Alpha (if you have the license, of course). Thee >  abovementioned I > > machines are the ones that you can partition (given enough CPUs, I/O,u	 >  etc.).r > >g > K > Well, it's even better! You don't need a GALAXY license to run a one star 	 > GALAXY!m >  > Bart Zorni  D You absolutely right, that "don't need a GALAXY license to run a one star= GALAXY". But i have another problem. I setup 1-star Galaxy ono- AlphaServer 400 without problem, as writen at K http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6512/6512pro_006.html#bean_chapteF . But setup 1-star Galaxy on AS 1200 has failure. Maybe somebody setup 1-star Galaxy on AS 1200????   Anton YelinE   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:12:33 +0000-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-& Subject: Goldman's merger advice to HP8 Message-ID: <92o46u0d2pea9qh7tnmhn83n0jvipmrp0u@4ax.com>   http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20Financial%20News&s1=blk&tp=ad_topright_topfin&T=markets_bfgcgi_content99.ht&s2=ad_right1_topfin&bt=ad_position1_topfin&middle=ad_frame2_topfin&s=APGILpBbtR29sZG1h 02/07 00:07t  1 Note especially the final paragraph quoted below.-  ? Goldman's Advice to Tyco and Hewlett-Packard Costs Shareholders3 By Mark Lake  : New York, Feb. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'sB multimillion-dollar advice to Tyco International Inc. and Hewlett-< Packard Co. has left shareholders of both companies poorer.  ...s? Hewlett-Packard Chief Executive Officer Carly Fiorina consultednA Goldman CEO Henry Paulson and banker Eugene Sykes before agreeing 7 Sept. 4 to buy Compaq Computer Corp. for $23.8 billion.oF Hewlett-Packard's stock has sunk by 10 percent since the announcement,C cutting the company's market value by $4.6 billion, and shareholderi  opposition may derail the deal.   9 ... Goldman also will earn more than $30 million advisings Hewlett-Packard, analysts say.    E ``I really doubt that Goldman raised many red flags that would get inoC the way of all those fees,'' said Michael Nemeroff, head of financeeA and transactions at Chicago-based law firm Vedder Price Kaufman &a
 Kammholz.      -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:59:29 GMTu- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>r$ Subject: Re: Good auditing practice.( Message-ID: <3C626F8C.30209@qsl.network>   Doc.Cypher wrote:a   > Hi,n > D > Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system I'mJ > interested in knowing what level of auditing people would recommend, and& > how to go about putting it in place.    H Image accounting is sometimes useful, but it can fill up the accounting F log fast.  What I did was start a new accounting file daily, and then ? use the account program to extract the items of interest.  The  C accounting log (and others) were then archived to a large disk and  ( eventually to tape for a period of time.  I The main purpose was to find programs that had failed, but their failure  C had not otherwise been detected.  Things like batch jobs that were  " claiming to complete successfully.    K The use of security ACEs on some images will also give you some indication.-    M > Of special interest is logging outbound telnet and SSH connections as I mays3 > need to be able to pinpoint who is up to no good.E >  > VMS Version: 7.2 > TCP/IP Stack: Multinet v4.3c    E You may want to ask that question on vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyc   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 13:57:05 -0000f= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>m$ Subject: Re: Good auditing practice.6 Message-ID: <20020207135705.16595.qmail@gacracker.org>  C On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:m >Doc.Cypher wrote: >s >> Hi, >> gE >> Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system I'mlK >> interested in knowing what level of auditing people would recommend, and ( >> how to go about putting it in place.  >l >nI >Image accounting is sometimes useful, but it can fill up the accounting uG >log fast.  What I did was start a new accounting file daily, and then r@ >use the account program to extract the items of interest.  The D >accounting log (and others) were then archived to a large disk and ) >eventually to tape for a period of time.f  J I restart the accounting log daily and only keep seven versions, same goesH for all log files, including OPCOM (I found how to do that with a google groups search).   J >The main purpose was to find programs that had failed, but their failure D >had not otherwise been detected.  Things like batch jobs that were # >claiming to complete successfully.e >u >cL >The use of security ACEs on some images will also give you some indication.  C Okay, that sounds like what I'm looking for, I want to audit use ofrK MULTINET:TELNET.EXE and MULTINET:SSH.EXE, what commands do I need to use torK set up an audit on them that reports to OPCOM? I've looked at SET AUDIT andeE can't see where you would specify a particular file is to be audited.t  N >> Of special interest is logging outbound telnet and SSH connections as I may4 >> need to be able to pinpoint who is up to no good. >> l >> VMS Version: 7.2s >> TCP/IP Stack: Multinet v4.3 >? >eF >You may want to ask that question on vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet.  I As far as I can tell the auditing/logging available in Multinet won't letsK me build a log of outbound telnet or ssh connections, so I'm looking to use  VMS features to do it.     Doc. -- e6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:47:59 +0100b= From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>t$ Subject: Re: Good auditing practice.5 Message-ID: <3C62939F.B63B99C1@contrastmediagroep.nl>e   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:e  aE > Okay, that sounds like what I'm looking for, I want to audit use of-M > MULTINET:TELNET.EXE and MULTINET:SSH.EXE, what commands do I need to use to<M > set up an audit on them that reports to OPCOM? I've looked at SET AUDIT andAG > can't see where you would specify a particular file is to be audited.c  : $ set secu /acl=(alarm_journal=security,acce=exec+success) multinet:telnet.exem   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 15:13:11 -0000e= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>c$ Subject: Re: Good auditing practice.6 Message-ID: <20020207151311.18466.qmail@gacracker.org>  $ On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Oswald Knoppers. <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl> wrote: >"Doc.Cypher" wrote: > F >> Okay, that sounds like what I'm looking for, I want to audit use ofN >> MULTINET:TELNET.EXE and MULTINET:SSH.EXE, what commands do I need to use toN >> set up an audit on them that reports to OPCOM? I've looked at SET AUDIT andI >> can't see where you would specify a particular file is to be audited. t >h; >$ set secu /acl=(alarm_journal=security,acce=exec+success)P >multinet:telnet.exe   Thanks!g     Doc. -- f6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:45:22 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> $ Subject: Re: Good auditing practice.1 Message-ID: <%ix88.9469$X2.104326@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0 news:20020207135705.16595.qmail@gacracker.org...E > On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:v >...E > Okay, that sounds like what I'm looking for, I want to audit use ofkJ > MULTINET:TELNET.EXE and MULTINET:SSH.EXE, what commands do I need to use toI > set up an audit on them that reports to OPCOM? I've looked at SET AUDITe andrG > can't see where you would specify a particular file is to be audited.  >...    J You can have the alarms sent to the Audit Journal or OPCOM, in your case IJ would do both, that way if you see someone doing something wrong while youI are on-line then you can do something, if you are not on-line at the time-K then you have a record of it. The problem is that you won't be able to telltH where the telnet command took the user after the fact. (i.e. did someoneL telnet to xxx or to the CIA?) There maybe someway for telnet to tell you but% I don't know anything about MultiNet.n  # What I would try is something like;e  H 1. Create a new image that writes to a log file the name of the site theI user is going to along with date/time/username/PID... The new image wouldn then spawn TELNET.G 2. Modify the .CLD (or symbol, like I said, I don't know anything about 7 MultiNet :) to call your program instead of TELNET.EXE.:K 3. Put both System Security Alarms and System Security Audits on TELNET.EXEi and the new image you created.I 4. Write another program to walk though your security audit and match therH two records from both your program and the TELNET image, if you find anyL user running TELNET directly without using your program first then kick them off the system.eG 5. Scan your custom log file for anything that looks like it might be aw problem.  ) To create the security alarms and audits;    1. SET AUDIT/AUDIT/ENABLE=ACLe 2. SET AUDIT/ALARAM/ENABLE=ACL& 3. SET SECURITY/ACL=(AUDIT=SECURITY, -/     ACCESS=READ+WRITE+DELETE+SUCCESS+FAILURE) -e     TCPWARE:TELNET.EXE  K IIRC the first two commands have to be in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, but I could besL wrong there. The SET SECURITY commands only have to be entered once for each file you want to watch.   L ANALYZE/AUDIT/EVENT_TYPE=ACCESS SYS$MANAGER:SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL will give% you a list of who accessed the files.e   --J A study has shown that sheep can remember faces for up to 2 years, I guess- that means I'm dumber than the average sheep.t   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:43:23 +0100 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  Subject: Re: good legal practice; Message-ID: <01KDZP8IACZ68ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  H > For what it's worth, I always thought Hobbes the VAX ran on a hobbyist
 > licence.  C My thoughts also.  However, unless it is "officially sanctioned by o? Compaq" or whatever, this doesn't really shed any light on the o
 situation.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 10:27:52 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>o  Subject: Re: good legal practice6 Message-ID: <20020207102752.11275.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:I >> For what it's worth, I always thought Hobbes the VAX ran on a hobbyistH >> licence.  >gD >My thoughts also.  However, unless it is "officially sanctioned by @ >Compaq" or whatever, this doesn't really shed any light on the  >situation.a  B Perhaps Sue could enlighten us, I'd hope she would be in favour ofF promoting VMS in this way. It does make the OS available to people who+ wouldn't use the Compaq free trial service.r  D Anyway, can someone answer my original question, which I'll rephrase slightly...s  ? How do I audit use of single executables (i.e. TELNET and SSH)?.     Doc. -- c6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.nets   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:35:27 +0100 (MET)u9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.); Message-ID: <01KDZKQRTPZ68Y7KQF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>P  A > Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system    B This is not intended to pick on you, but rather to clarify things.  E Is what you are doing legal under the hobbyist license?  It does say -? "personal use".  Please point me to a URL which clarifies this.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:10:23 +0100s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>o: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)' Message-ID: <3C62447F.E82ACC9B@aaa.com>(  6 What if anyone signing up for a "free" account on that5 machine also register themself as an "VMS hobbyist" ?   4 Are two "VMS hobbyists" allowed to logon to the same single system at all ?  5 Of course there is a problem if anyone signing up fors3 one of these "free" accounts are using that accounts to make money in some way...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.I   Phillip Helbig wrote:D > B > > Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system > D > This is not intended to pick on you, but rather to clarify things. > F > Is what you are doing legal under the hobbyist license?  It does sayA > "personal use".  Please point me to a URL which clarifies this.b   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 08:50:31 -0000t= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> : Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)5 Message-ID: <20020207085031.8316.qmail@gacracker.org>[  H On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:B >> Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system  >AC >This is not intended to pick on you, but rather to clarify things.   F Don't worry, I can see you have a valid concern, I checked the license( before doing so, and have done so again.  F >Is what you are doing legal under the hobbyist license?  It does say @ >"personal use".  Please point me to a URL which clarifies this.  G I've no URL, but here are the bits I think are relevant from the actualt
 license...  N >$!     	 Upon your qualification for this license and your signature on this M >$!          form, Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ") will grant you the cJ >$!          right to use the VAX OpenVMS on a single computer ("Licensed B >$!          Computer").  Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR >NON-COMMERCIAL J >$!          USES (e.g., home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensed
 >Computer C >$!          for any business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to develop  >applications 8 >$!          for resale, to do business accounting, etc.  E I've already refused access to one guy that wanted to recompile theirnF software package on the system for resale. So as far as I can tell I'm "non-commercial".    >$!     3.	 RESTRICTIONS >$!     P >$!     	 You may not rent, lease, or otherwise transfer the Software except as < >$!          expressly authorized in this License Agreement.  < I give out accounts for free, so I'm not renting or leasing.  K Okay, When I re-check the license I still see no restrictions on the number K of users, only on commercial activities. No mention of single user or such. J If I am mis-reading this, I'd appreciate being corrected. As it stands I'mJ giving out accounts to try and increase awareness of VMS. This seems to beH working as I'm getting UN*X people who've never heard much about VMS andE are interested in learning it (as well as AOL dweebs that think usingN telnet is "hacking").      Doc. -- 16 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neti   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:20:15 +0100 (MET)d9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.); Message-ID: <01KDZM9F21QC8ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>l  8 > What if anyone signing up for a "free" account on that7 > machine also register themself as an "VMS hobbyist" ?> > 6 > Are two "VMS hobbyists" allowed to logon to the same > single system at all ?  7 Grey areas---different than the one I was referring to.1  7 > Of course there is a problem if anyone signing up forg5 > one of these "free" accounts are using that accountr > to make money in some way...  E Of course.  Or if the person (not the case here) takes money for his )* "service".  This much is completely clear.  C I think the hobbyist programme is great.  It would be nice if some  G confusing legal language were cleaned up.  If it is DELIBERATELY vague  F and non-binding (like the commitment to ALPHA?), then some inofficial ? hint that we should (not) read between the lines would be nice.s  B Of course, as long as no-one is misusing a hobbyist license for a H commercial application (and perhaps not even then), I doubt that Compaq B would actually do anything.  But we VMS hobbyists like to be good G citizens and want to follow the rules---but that means that we need to   know what they are.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:25:24 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.); Message-ID: <01KDZMEDIT568ZG468@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  H > > Upon your qualification for this license and your signature on this D > > form, Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ") will grant you the ?                                                             ^^^g Singular or plural.  :-)  > > I give out accounts for free, so I'm not renting or leasing.   Right.  F > Okay, When I re-check the license I still see no restrictions on the2 > number of users, only on commercial activities.   ; The license itself, though, only allows one normal and one pH system-manager console login or whatever.  The question is, is it OK to % combine it with a multi-user license?y  I Mine are up for renewal soon; perhaps the wording has changed since last t= I looked, but I remember this being something I tripped over.    > No mention of single > user or such.   ; > If I am mis-reading this, I'd appreciate being corrected.    Perhaps someone will chime in.  G > As it stands I'm giving out accounts to try and increase awareness ofCG > VMS. This seems to be working as I'm getting UN*X people who've neverkH > heard much about VMS and are interested in learning it (as well as AOL0 > dweebs that think using telnet is "hacking").   C I think that it is good for everyone.  No-one will buy his own VMS aH machine just because he can't get an account on someone else's hobbyist G machine, so nothing is lost.  (And even if he did get his own hobbyist sD machine running, Compaq would make no money on it.)  Thus, I see no  reason for this restriction.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 03:41 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)u: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.), Message-ID: <7FEB200203411134@gerg.tamu.edu>  w In article <20020207085031.8316.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes...mI }On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, }wrote:oC }>> Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system   }>D }>This is not intended to pick on you, but rather to clarify things. } G }Don't worry, I can see you have a valid concern, I checked the licenset) }before doing so, and have done so again.g } G }>Is what you are doing legal under the hobbyist license?  It does say rA }>"personal use".  Please point me to a URL which clarifies this.d } H }I've no URL, but here are the bits I think are relevant from the actual }license...  } O }>$!     	 Upon your qualification for this license and your signature on this eN }>$!          form, Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ") will grant you the K }>$!          right to use the VAX OpenVMS on a single computer ("Licensed  C }>$!          Computer").  Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FORv }>NON-COMMERCIALK }>$!          USES (e.g., home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensedt }>Computer kD }>$!          for any business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to develop }>applications  9 }>$!          for resale, to do business accounting, etc.r } F }I've already refused access to one guy that wanted to recompile theirG }software package on the system for resale. So as far as I can tell I'mw }"non-commercial". }  }>$!     3.	 RESTRICTIONS 	 }>$!     gQ }>$!     	 You may not rent, lease, or otherwise transfer the Software except as s= }>$!          expressly authorized in this License Agreement.n } = }I give out accounts for free, so I'm not renting or leasing.t } L }Okay, When I re-check the license I still see no restrictions on the numberL }of users, only on commercial activities. No mention of single user or such.K }If I am mis-reading this, I'd appreciate being corrected. As it stands I'mhK }giving out accounts to try and increase awareness of VMS. This seems to be I }working as I'm getting UN*X people who've never heard much about VMS andsF }are interested in learning it (as well as AOL dweebs that think using }telnet is "hacking"). }  }Doc.u    ' I would consider the part where it saysu<   ("COMPAQ") will grant you the right to use the VAX OpenVMS  A It says "you", not "you and anybody else you want to let use it".c  A I suspect that this violates the terms of the license unless eachd@ person who gets an account qualifies for and signs the form that
 is mentioned.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 10:05:29 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>U: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)6 Message-ID: <20020207100529.10789.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:I >> > Upon your qualification for this license and your signature on this 3J >> > form, Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ") will grant you the  ^^^  >Singular or plural.  :-)l >e? >> I give out accounts for free, so I'm not renting or leasing.g >  >Right.t >eG >> Okay, When I re-check the license I still see no restrictions on the 3 >> number of users, only on commercial activities. w > < >The license itself, though, only allows one normal and one I >system-manager console login or whatever.  The question is, is it OK to  & >combine it with a multi-user license? >pJ >Mine are up for renewal soon; perhaps the wording has changed since last > >I looked, but I remember this being something I tripped over. >D& >> No mention of single user or such.  > < >> If I am mis-reading this, I'd appreciate being corrected. >L >Perhaps someone will chime in.t >mH >> As it stands I'm giving out accounts to try and increase awareness ofH >> VMS. This seems to be working as I'm getting UN*X people who've neverI >> heard much about VMS and are interested in learning it (as well as AOL,1 >> dweebs that think using telnet is "hacking"). , > D >I think that it is good for everyone.  No-one will buy his own VMS I >machine just because he can't get an account on someone else's hobbyist jH >machine, so nothing is lost.  (And even if he did get his own hobbyist E >machine running, Compaq would make no money on it.)  Thus, I see no s >reason for this restriction.   F For what it's worth, I always thought Hobbes the VAX ran on a hobbyist licence.     Doc. -- >6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netl   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 10:23:31 -0000u= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>a: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)6 Message-ID: <20020207102331.11196.qmail@gacracker.org>  7 On 7 Feb 2002, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:    <snip>  P >}>$!     	 Upon your qualification for this license and your signature on this O >}>$!          form, Compaq Computer Corporation ("COMPAQ") will grant you the GL >}>$!          right to use the VAX OpenVMS on a single computer ("Licensed D >}>$!          Computer").  Use of the Licensed Computer is ONLY FOR >}>NON-COMMERCIAL1L >}>$!          USES (e.g., home use).  As such, you may not use the Licensed >}>Computer E >}>$!          for any business purposes whatsoever, e.g., to developw >}>applications : >}>$!          for resale, to do business accounting, etc.   <snip>  ( >I would consider the part where it says= >  ("COMPAQ") will grant you the right to use the VAX OpenVMS  >rB >It says "you", not "you and anybody else you want to let use it". > B >I suspect that this violates the terms of the license unless eachA >person who gets an account qualifies for and signs the form thatg >is mentioned.  ? Granted that is the most extreme interpretation of the license.m  G What if you were to run a mail server on it and give accounts to familytK members, or run web/ftp services and allow others to access them? Would youeJ - or Compaq for that matter - interpret that as a violation of the license terms?  I Of course, it would be nice if the license was a little clearer, but most I licenses say "you" and nobody questions people wanting to run services onsG their Windows or UN*X machines. Perhaps it should say "the right to run F OpenVMS", after all the operating system is designed to be multi-user.     Doc. -- b6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netE   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:06:19 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.); Message-ID: <01KDZQ1YBM7O8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h  D > Perhaps Sue could enlighten us, I'd hope she would be in favour ofH > promoting VMS in this way. It does make the OS available to people who- > wouldn't use the Compaq free trial service.A  D See my other responses in this thread (and similar ramblings in the  past).  F > Anyway, can someone answer my original question, which I'll rephrase
 > slightly...a > A > How do I audit use of single executables (i.e. TELNET and SSH)?C  
 SET WATCH?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:05:13 +0100 (MET)/9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.); Message-ID: <01KDZPKKNNV28ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  E > > I suspect that this violates the terms of the license unless each-D > > person who gets an account qualifies for and signs the form that > > is mentioned.@ > A > Granted that is the most extreme interpretation of the license.-  A Extreme, yes, but not unlikely to be the intended interpretation.'  I > What if you were to run a mail server on it and give accounts to familytM > members, or run web/ftp services and allow others to access them? Would youaL > - or Compaq for that matter - interpret that as a violation of the license > terms?  I Two different things here.  Once when I inquired into such things, I got pA the (perhaps inofficial) answer that the restrictions applied to eE INTERACTIVE (as determined by F$MODE()) users.  Thus, running an FTP 2I server, web server etc is no problem.  However, family members accessing aB mail would need their own interactive accounts (unless they don't 5 actually have accounts on the machine and one does a i      SET FORWARD/USER=XXX   # in MAIL from a privileged account).a  K > Of course, it would be nice if the license was a little clearer, but most K > licenses say "you" and nobody questions people wanting to run services onSI > their Windows or UN*X machines. Perhaps it should say "the right to runnH > OpenVMS", after all the operating system is designed to be multi-user.  D I agree; that's my point.  A one-user VMS system is not a very good G advertisement for VMS.  The comparison with Windows is mute since most .B Windows machines don't have multiple concurrent interactive users.  D My suggestion: as long as the use is non-commercial in all possible H interpretations, allow the hobbyist license to run everything.  Make it C completely clear that it is legal to borrow media for installation e	 purposes.0  C In addition, introduce a SEPARATE license which is exactly the sametC except that it is valid for any commercial use and costs 10% of thetE before-tax profits of the commercial application for which it is usedeC (which could be zero).  At the point where this is more than "real"sG licenses would cost, the customer would of course be free to buy "real"- licenses instead.   I The above suggestion is just 1 paragraph consisting of two sentences.  I aD see no disadvantage it would bring to Compaq.  NO existing customer H would drop his current licenses in favour of this proposed license.  It G could potentially bring A LOT of folks to VMS (assuming Compaq desires tF this) with almost no effort on Compaq's part, and many of these would H become purchasers of real licenses and new hardware within a short time.B As it stands, one can't even use a hobbyist VMS system to write a G nickel-a-line article on the local dog show for the county newspaper.  iF OK, it's commercial and not hobbyist and I think the hobbyist license I should be purely non-commercial, but there IS a big gap between this and a the cost of a real license.h   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 11:03:09 -0000t= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>-: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)6 Message-ID: <20020207110309.12229.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   <snip>  B >> How do I audit use of single executables (i.e. TELNET and SSH)? >e >SET WATCH?t  I What are the command qualifiers? i.e. can I make this be logged to OPCOM?TE I tried "SET WATCH MULTINET:TELNET.EXE" and the response indicated ito# doesn't take a file as a parameter.   = BTW, it isn't in the online help as the following link shows: " http://vmsbox.cjb.net/help?key=SET     Doc.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 11:22:11 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> : Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)6 Message-ID: <20020207112211.12826.qmail@gacracker.org>  H On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:F >> > I suspect that this violates the terms of the license unless eachH >> > person who gets an account qualifies for and signs the form that is >> > mentioned.  >> MB >> Granted that is the most extreme interpretation of the license. > B >Extreme, yes, but not unlikely to be the intended interpretation.  J I sincerely hope not, or that's about 50 less people getting to grips with VMS.  J >> What if you were to run a mail server on it and give accounts to familyN >> members, or run web/ftp services and allow others to access them? Would youM >> - or Compaq for that matter - interpret that as a violation of the licensea
 >> terms?  >sJ >Two different things here.  Once when I inquired into such things, I got B >the (perhaps inofficial) answer that the restrictions applied to F >INTERACTIVE (as determined by F$MODE()) users.  Thus, running an FTP J >server, web server etc is no problem.  However, family members accessing C >mail would need their own interactive accounts (unless they don't '6 >actually have accounts on the machine and one does a  >a >   SET FORWARD/USER=XXX >w$ >in MAIL from a privileged account).  J You can set up mail accounts for use with POP3/SMTP, then there is no need for interactive logins.   L >> Of course, it would be nice if the license was a little clearer, but mostL >> licenses say "you" and nobody questions people wanting to run services onJ >> their Windows or UN*X machines. Perhaps it should say "the right to runI >> OpenVMS", after all the operating system is designed to be multi-user.e >gE >I agree; that's my point.  A one-user VMS system is not a very good eH >advertisement for VMS.  The comparison with Windows is mute since most C >Windows machines don't have multiple concurrent interactive users.  >tE >My suggestion: as long as the use is non-commercial in all possible wI >interpretations, allow the hobbyist license to run everything.  Make it  D >completely clear that it is legal to borrow media for installation 
 >purposes.  3 Agreed, we've only had vague words about media use.e  D >In addition, introduce a SEPARATE license which is exactly the sameD >except that it is valid for any commercial use and costs 10% of theF >before-tax profits of the commercial application for which it is usedD >(which could be zero).  At the point where this is more than "real"H >licenses would cost, the customer would of course be free to buy "real" >licenses instead. ,  G Entry level licensing is something I believe Compaq should commit to ifuD they want people to believe they have faith in the operating system.  J >The above suggestion is just 1 paragraph consisting of two sentences.  I E >see no disadvantage it would bring to Compaq.  NO existing customer gI >would drop his current licenses in favour of this proposed license.  It oH >could potentially bring A LOT of folks to VMS (assuming Compaq desires G >this) with almost no effort on Compaq's part, and many of these would uI >become purchasers of real licenses and new hardware within a short time.eC >As it stands, one can't even use a hobbyist VMS system to write a  H >nickel-a-line article on the local dog show for the county newspaper.  G >OK, it's commercial and not hobbyist and I think the hobbyist license  J >should be purely non-commercial, but there IS a big gap between this and  >the cost of a real license.  J Indeed. And if I am informed that I am violating the Hobbyist license thenH I shall have to shut down services on the system, I simply cannot afford the full-price licenses.     Doc. -- s6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:14:08 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>k: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)8 Message-ID: <35r46ucre9hk6igebhnj59j1ksl6t2r4rq@4ax.com>  8 On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:35:27 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:v  B >> Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system  >bC >This is not intended to pick on you, but rather to clarify things.t >SF >Is what you are doing legal under the hobbyist license?  It does say @ >"personal use".  Please point me to a URL which clarifies this.  A In grey areas such as these I would tend to just go for it if the C machine was under my personal control and no money changed hands. I A would get the user to accept conditions of use making clear there E could be no commercial gain from use of the system and provide a linko5 to DECUS/Encompass web and the hobbyist sign up page.2  @ I'd then run it, unless a "cease and desist" notice arrived fromC Compaq. If it did I would immediately terminate the service with no4
 arguments!  D My guess is that such use is probably strictly against the rules butB not sufficiently outside the "spirit" for the legal team to botherF about. Even if they did bother provided you complied with any requests1 immediately that should be the end of the matter.y   PPOV IANAL YMMV etc etc...  ? (Personal Point Of View I Am Not A Lawyer Your Mileage May Vary. etc...)n -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 14:10:10 -0000o= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>e: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)6 Message-ID: <20020207141010.16964.qmail@gacracker.org>  ; On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:o9 >On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:35:27 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbigi, ><HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote: >sC >>> Since I'm giving out free accounts on my Hobbyist Alpha system r >>D >>This is not intended to pick on you, but rather to clarify things. >>G >>Is what you are doing legal under the hobbyist license?  It does say OB >>"personal use".  Please point me to a URL which clarifies this.  >cB >In grey areas such as these I would tend to just go for it if theD >machine was under my personal control and no money changed hands. IB >would get the user to accept conditions of use making clear thereF >could be no commercial gain from use of the system and provide a link6 >to DECUS/Encompass web and the hobbyist sign up page. >lA >I'd then run it, unless a "cease and desist" notice arrived from D >Compaq. If it did I would immediately terminate the service with no >arguments!s > E >My guess is that such use is probably strictly against the rules butgC >not sufficiently outside the "spirit" for the legal team to bother,G >about. Even if they did bother provided you complied with any requestso2 >immediately that should be the end of the matter. >i >PPOV IANAL YMMV etc etc...m >r@ >(Personal Point Of View I Am Not A Lawyer Your Mileage May Vary >etc...) >--n >Alanr  H Thanks Alan, I'll certainly take on your suggestions for additions, i.e.J linking to Hobbyist signup page(s) (URL?). As to doing a Terms of Service,I that might be a little more tricky to come up with as - like yourself - I J am not a lawyer. Should Compaq have a problem with what I am doing I wouldI hope they would help draft such a document rather than insist I shut downdG the service. Based on current usage levels I estimate I can give out insF excess of 100 accounts and not use all my bandwidth or processor time.     Doc. -- r6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:29:49 -0500a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.), Message-ID: <3C629D6D.9030303@tsoft-inc.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:o    N > }Okay, When I re-check the license I still see no restrictions on the numberN > }of users, only on commercial activities. No mention of single user or such.M > }If I am mis-reading this, I'd appreciate being corrected. As it stands I'mRM > }giving out accounts to try and increase awareness of VMS. This seems to be K > }working as I'm getting UN*X people who've never heard much about VMS andiH > }are interested in learning it (as well as AOL dweebs that think using > }telnet is "hacking").    ? What we have here is, from my perspective, at least one of the MF intentions of the hobbyist program.  New access to VMS, thus possibly 2 increasing the commercial user base in the future.    ) > I would consider the part where it sayso> >   ("COMPAQ") will grant you the right to use the VAX OpenVMS > C > It says "you", not "you and anybody else you want to let use it".  > C > I suspect that this violates the terms of the license unless eachtB > person who gets an account qualifies for and signs the form that > is mentioned.   F 'You' can be singular or plural.  Unless specified, 'you' are free to  use it as 'you' wish.   F I don't remember signing anything when I obtained a hobbyist license. F It wanted a CPU ID, which was given, and apparently in this case also.  ? Anybody can interpert anything in whatever manner they choose, bG permissive or restrictive.  Me, I like a phrase I once read, "whatever  ; is not forbidden, is allowed".  Show me where the Hobbyist IF license/agreement/program forbids others than yourself logging onto a  hobbyist system.   Dave   -- t4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 18:03:04 GMT)1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon).: Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.), Message-ID: <a3ufgo$2pt2$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <3C629D6D.9030303@tsoft-inc.com>,+  David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:r |>B |> Anybody can interpert anything in whatever manner they choose, J |> permissive or restrictive.  Me, I like a phrase I once read, "whatever > |> is not forbidden, is allowed".  Show me where the Hobbyist I |> license/agreement/program forbids others than yourself logging onto a   |> hobbyist system.  |>    H How about another (which I think is in the spirit of both Alan and Doc);1 "It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission."g   bill   -- >J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   u   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 03:50:33 -0800o. From: kcrowleywork@yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Crowley)) Subject: Help with Performance Monitoringm= Message-ID: <fedf6ad9.0202070350.6153b176@posting.google.com>t  D As a newcomer to these forums, can anyone point me towards a posting@ or the correct forum to discuss performance monitoring under VMSC please? I've been asked to produce some _simple_ PM reports for ourfE VMS 7.1 VAX 4000 500 system. I've been looking at the MONITOR system,bB but before I go any further I'd appreciate any comments/input fromF anyone else who is already using MONITOR for such a purpose. Thanks in advance, Kevin.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:13:18 -0600,! From: Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> - Subject: Re: Help with Performance Monitoring ( Message-ID: <3C628B7D.877C349A@sosu.edu>   Kevin,  t     There is a great school in Denver to learn all about this. Show sys is great, but it just scratches the surface.  3 http://www.parsec.com/general/description.asp?O^908)   Dang     Kevin Crowley wrote:  F > As a newcomer to these forums, can anyone point me towards a postingB > or the correct forum to discuss performance monitoring under VMSE > please? I've been asked to produce some _simple_ PM reports for oursG > VMS 7.1 VAX 4000 500 system. I've been looking at the MONITOR system,iD > but before I go any further I'd appreciate any comments/input fromH > anyone else who is already using MONITOR for such a purpose. Thanks in > advance, Kevin.E   --	 Dan MooreE$ Director of Administrative Computing& Southeastern Oklahoma State University" 1405 North Fourth Avenue  PMB 4230 Durant, Oklahoma   74701-0609c+ Phone: (580) 745-2006   Fax: (580) 745-2007a   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 08:26:05 -0600o- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t- Subject: Re: Help with Performance Monitoringn3 Message-ID: <Pk577GZkBn05@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <fedf6ad9.0202070350.6153b176@posting.google.com>, kcrowleywork@yahoo.co.uk (Kevin Crowley) writes:F > As a newcomer to these forums, can anyone point me towards a postingB > or the correct forum to discuss performance monitoring under VMSE > please? I've been asked to produce some _simple_ PM reports for our G > VMS 7.1 VAX 4000 500 system. I've been looking at the MONITOR system,nD > but before I go any further I'd appreciate any comments/input fromH > anyone else who is already using MONITOR for such a purpose. Thanks in > advance, Kevin.E  D    That's exactly what I did.  Use monitor/record for 24 hours, then0    monitor/input=record-file/output=report-file.  E    Make sure you understand what's being reported.  CPU useage is noteG    the whole story.  Don't /average unless that's really what you want.   B    Watch out for the political side of whos' using the computer or    is it being used enough.f   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 15:05:35 GMTa1 From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@entQQQeract.com>o- Subject: Re: Help with Performance Monitoringt+ Message-ID: <a3u53v$1el$1@bob.news.rcn.net>f  M On 7 Feb 2002 03:50:33 -0800, Kevin Crowley <kcrowleywork@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:pF > As a newcomer to these forums, can anyone point me towards a postingB > or the correct forum to discuss performance monitoring under VMSE > please? I've been asked to produce some _simple_ PM reports for our G > VMS 7.1 VAX 4000 500 system. I've been looking at the MONITOR system,wD > but before I go any further I'd appreciate any comments/input from> > anyone else who is already using MONITOR for such a purpose.  D The manual "OpenVMS System Manager's Manual: Tuning, Monitoring and A Complex Systems" has a lot of info about this.  The section 18.8 tB "Monitoring Operating System Performance" discusses how to set up E MONITOR and includes some sample com files for continuous monitoring.l   -- e; Dale Dellutri -- ddelQQQlutr@entQQQeract.com (lose the Q's)"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:07:57 +0100$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>- Subject: Re: Help with Performance Monitorings2 Message-ID: <6Mw88.635$am1.37183@news.cpqcorp.net>  ; "Kevin Crowley" <kcrowleywork@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 7 news:fedf6ad9.0202070350.6153b176@posting.google.com...hF  > please? I've been asked to produce some _simple_ PM reports for ourG > VMS 7.1 VAX 4000 500 system. I've been looking at the MONITOR system,n  K Try Ecp, free, available on Vax (Vms 5.5-2 until 7.3) and Alpha (Vms 6.2 to  7.3) atcC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/performance-and-capacity.html    Regardsd   Grard   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 09:29:51 -0800 , From: don.braffitt@compaq.com (Don Braffitt) Subject: Re: installing cobol-= Message-ID: <14c5ce2f.0202070929.58715317@posting.google.com>h  r "Brant Hanna" <brant.hanna@nordx.com> wrote in message news:<0201291012.AA1012320912@ccmail.kingston.nordx.com>...N > Anyone with experience installing vax cobol (2.4) on an Alpha DS-10 (7.2-1)?  > Are these versions compatible?K > Cobol install seems to install ok, but cobol command doesn't work (hangs)e > RTL installation fails with:R > %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening VMI$ROOT:[SYSEXE]VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM; as input > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundE > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of COBOLRTL V2.4 has failed.m  F Support for V2.4, V2.5, and V2.6 on Alpha has concluded.  V2.4 has notA been supported by Compaq for several years.  The single supported-/ version of Compaq COBOL today on Alpha is V2.7.r  @ V2.4 is not compatible with EV6 and more recent processors.  TheF failure you will see if you attempt to use this unsupported version of) DEC COBOL is the compiler hang you noted.T   - Don Braffitt&   Compaq COBOL and SORT project leader   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:45:05 -0500n- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>  Subject: Re: installing cobolm+ Message-ID: <sc6276eb.015@AAASMTA.aaas.org>t  E So how does one get a copy of COBOL 2.7? Is it in any of the recent =, layered product kits?   E >>> Don Braffitt <don.braffitt@compaq.com> 02/07/2002 12:29:51 PM >>>lL "Brant Hanna" <brant.hanna@nordx.com> wrote in message news:<0201291012.AA1=' 012320912@ccmail.kingston.nordx.com>...>G > Anyone with experience installing vax cobol (2.4) on an Alpha DS-10 =y (7.2-1)?  > Are these versions compatible?E > Cobol install seems to install ok, but cobol command doesn't work =t (hangs)e > RTL installation fails with:K > %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening VMI$ROOT:[SYSEXE]VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM; =i as input > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundE > %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of COBOLRTL V2.4 has failed.r  F Support for V2.4, V2.5, and V2.6 on Alpha has concluded.  V2.4 has notA been supported by Compaq for several years.  The single supportedt/ version of Compaq COBOL today on Alpha is V2.7.S  @ V2.4 is not compatible with EV6 and more recent processors.  TheF failure you will see if you attempt to use this unsupported version of) DEC COBOL is the compiler hang you noted.i   - Don Braffitt&   Compaq COBOL and SORT project leader   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 06:28:32 -0800 - From: denis.fayaud@netspace.mc (Denis Fayaud)h) Subject: Re: interrupt state CPU activityt= Message-ID: <93820504.0202070628.42fe58b7@posting.google.com>    Thanks a lot ! I'll try this at next reboot ! D.Fayaud  s JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) wrote in message news:<a3rd59$53l$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...i? > In message: <93820504.0202052354.46242825@posting.google.com>s3 >   denis.fayaud@netspace.mc (Denis Fayaud) writes:rH > >I have a brand new DS10 under OpenVMS 7.3 and I noticed that when theH > >main screen is locked (blank black screen), it generates an interrupt& > >state CPU activity of at least 20%.D > >Moving the mouse causes the windows to reappear and the interrupt& > >state CPU activity returns to ~ 0%. > Q > I looks to me like some kind of bug in the DECWindows VX1 driver.  A workaround J > I found was to edit decw$private_server_setup and explicitly set some of > the screen saver parameters: > 2 > 	$ decw$server_screen_saver_prefer_blanking == 1, > 	$ decw$server_screen_saver_timeout == 600- > 	$ decw$server_screen_saver_interval == 100u > G > I'm not sure which one or which combination solved the problem, but Ig( > no longer see the high interrupt time. >  >  > > > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet:dN > 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu< > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu > 3 > Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.f   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 08:36:28 -0800w- From: adrian_ogden@hotmail.com (Scumbag Adie)e8 Subject: Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links< Message-ID: <91445c94.0202070836.b7495fc@posting.google.com>  L Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<3C602F59.1090209@home.nl>...J > If you use routers with 2 WAN connections each, both links will be used @ > and load balancing will occur. This is normal for DNA routing.J > With a bridging configuration things are different. Only if the bridges K > (or brouters) ara capable to combine both links as if they are one, then  G > bridging will also use both links. However if both links are seen as uI > traditional bridging links (that means two links), one link wil always -I > be shut down. The bridging spanning tree protocol only allows one link ., > to any given point in the bridged network. >  >  >  > Scumbag Adie wrote:e >  > >Hi, > >cG > >I've got two VMS 6.1 Clusters (main/standby) connected via 2 2Mb WAN0G > >links can these be load balanced (DNA mainly used) using appropriate>E > >Router/Bridges (prefer bridging) or is this a function of the hostT > >s/w?t > >nD > >Host based volume shadowing is to be deployed across these links. > >i > >Thanks in advance > >     = We are stuck with DNA IV which I believe doesn't support loadw1 balancing (please correct me if this is rubbish).   > Do you know of any bridges that will do DNA IV load balancing?   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:29:46 +0100f9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>u Subject: Problem with smtp.a' Message-ID: <3C62733A.52EA788C@aaa.com>b   Hi.i We have some problem with smtp.u   DS20E 6/500a	 VMS 7.2-1n TCPIP Services 5.0Ao  1 All seems to startup OK, but it's not possible tov& either send or receive any smtp mails.  6 I'v tried with TELNET 127.0.0.1/port=25, but can't get6 the normal dialog running("220...", "HELO" and so on).6 The LOG file (TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG) is created when0 the TELNET command is tried. Iv also defined the9 TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG and TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_TRACE logicals, 3 restarted smtp, but don't get anything more in the a TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG file.n  9 We've checked the basic IP setup (dns, gw, and so on) but1 didn't find anything special.-  5 Now, doing a "TELNET 127.0.0.1/port=25" should not beo0 dependent on name servers or routers or anything( other "external" to the localhost, not ?  8 What else could make the smtp server to *not* respond to a local call to port 25 ?   < Outgoing mail is another question, but I thought that I'd at6 least would get the smtp server to accept local calls.  8 B.t.w, the TELNET test works just fine on a AS 1200 with= VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.0A ECO-1. The only SW difference is the> ECO1 for TCPIP...n   Jan-Erik Sderholm.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:15:08 +0100c= From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>n Subject: Re: Problem with smtp.i5 Message-ID: <3C627DDC.E58EC3EB@contrastmediagroep.nl>a   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:o  8 > I'v tried with TELNET 127.0.0.1/port=25, but can't get8 > the normal dialog running("220...", "HELO" and so on).  F You might try to (temporarily) clear the TCPIP$SMTP restricted flag in
 authorize.  D But you should really check on opcom messages in order to track this down.y   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:02:05 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>h Subject: Re: Problem with smtp.b2 Message-ID: <3C627ACD.BB995E8E@firstdbasource.com>  & what do you get in the run.log file?  % $search sys$manager:operator.log smtp  What do you get?  + tcpip show service smtp  ... is it enabled?A- tcpip show config smtp   ... what do you get? D what is in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT -- d   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com, President/Sr. DBA Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)a 704-236-4377 (Mobile)  Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:p >  > Hi.r! > We have some problem with smtp.  > 
 > DS20E 6/500p > VMS 7.2-1  > TCPIP Services 5.0As > 3 > All seems to startup OK, but it's not possible toe( > either send or receive any smtp mails. > 8 > I'v tried with TELNET 127.0.0.1/port=25, but can't get8 > the normal dialog running("220...", "HELO" and so on).8 > The LOG file (TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG) is created when2 > the TELNET command is tried. Iv also defined the; > TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG and TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_TRACE logicals,r4 > restarted smtp, but don't get anything more in the > TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG file.  > ; > We've checked the basic IP setup (dns, gw, and so on) butP > didn't find anything special.  > 7 > Now, doing a "TELNET 127.0.0.1/port=25" should not beb2 > dependent on name servers or routers or anything* > other "external" to the localhost, not ? > : > What else could make the smtp server to *not* respond to > a local call to port 25 ?  > > > Outgoing mail is another question, but I thought that I'd at8 > least would get the smtp server to accept local calls. > : > B.t.w, the TELNET test works just fine on a AS 1200 with? > VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP 5.0A ECO-1. The only SW difference is thes > ECO1 for TCPIP..., >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 17:18:06 +0100i9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>o Subject: Re: Problem with smtp. ' Message-ID: <3C62A8BE.C933DF78@aaa.com>u   Michael Austin wrote:  > & > what do you get in the run.log file?   Just :  
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY"))h8   TCPIP$SMTP   job terminated at  7-FEB-2002 14:07:00.13 [and the accounting info...]  2 And we don't see anything more even if setting the@ TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG and TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_TRACE logicals to "1".  ' > $search sys$manager:operator.log smtpo   I'll get back on this.8 (In fact, I'll pass your questions over phone to the guy4 having access to this system. That guy is sitting in; another part of Sweden, and has a ISDN based VPN connectione= over Internet to the actual system, which is in Scottland :-)s   > What do you get? > - > tcpip show service smtp  ... is it enabled?d  
 Oh yes :-)  / > tcpip show config smtp   ... what do you get?   8 Nothing unusal. The same as on a running/working system.  F > what is in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT  B Not sure it exists. It doesn't on my working ("reference") system.  A Anyway, thanks so far. If we don't manage to get it going i mighta be back tomorrow.3  	 Jan-Erik.m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:25:27 -06001 From: "Virginia Metze" <metze@ginny.mrl.uiuc.edu>gY Subject: RE: problems with VMS server not recognizing boot clients after taking it off fddC Message-ID: <BOECKNAHIJPJAMDEEHDNIEAPDIAA.metze@ginny.mrl.uiuc.edu>n   >-----Original Message----- 9 >From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com]e >set proc/priv=all >reply/enable=(sec,network)  >oB >Are the boot clients still on the same network?  Did MOM$LOAD getG >defined, is check to make sure that DECNET is on what ever new circuit  >you are using...iH >Does DECNET start? what circuit.  It has been a while dealing with bootI >clients, but I seem to recall a config command procedure that set up the- >circuit etc.... >--   L Never changed any of the basic definitions but am going this minute to check MOM$LOAD...y  . Decnet otherwise works (set host, for example)  J I have re-run the configuration for the server, and it did fix the server,G but a client trying to boot kept getting one problem after another.   I) thought:J I had them all fixed, but now don't see any traffic from the client.  ThatJ client always booted over ethernet.  However, a client that was on fddi isJ not even visible on the ethernet.  That may be a machine specific problem, however.     > 	 >Regards,s > C >Michael Austin -- Currently Available.  System/Database/Web Admin.s8 >First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com >g >n >u >Virginia Metze wrote: >>9 >> I moved a VMS server off of FDDI after the old old oldf9 >> FDDI equipment broke down.  The server is working, but-9 >> I have tried everything I can think of and it will not0 >> recognize the boot clients. >>% >> I would appreciate any suggesions.M >t   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 06:05:00 -0800r( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202070605.7edf4b96@posting.google.com>e  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<mtbNaUovNbY3@eisner.encompasserve.org>...N > In article <3C6168DB.C110D6ED@sosu.edu>, Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> writes: > > Bob, > > _ > >     Yup. Purveyor runs CGI routines (EXEs or Scripts)  just like any other wbserver should.I > >  > >      Purveyor has also had a very nice authentication/authorization interface that uses the SYSUAF. Too bad it is a retired product. I still don't understand why process let it die.c > D > Because the competition was giving away VMS web servers for free !  G cost was only $900 and it was worth every penny!  unlike the convelutedtJ unix structures of apache and osu (confs and worse), purveyor had a singleL configuration file that could be created and managed from a html session ...K that was it besides a startup and restart com ... and it ran the best underrL vms, we did testing w/all 3 web servers under tcpware, ucx and multinet, and tcpware/purveyor was superior!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:51:30 +0100o6 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?= $ Subject: Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!* Message-ID: <3C62BEA2.34B5B6F@laposte.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote : > j > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<mtbNaUovNbY3@eisner.encompasserve.org>...P > > In article <3C6168DB.C110D6ED@sosu.edu>, Dan Moore <dmoore@sosu.edu> writes:
 > > > Bob, > > >ia > > >     Yup. Purveyor runs CGI routines (EXEs or Scripts)  just like any other wbserver should.m > > >r > > >      Purveyor has also had a very nice authentication/authorization interface that uses the SYSUAF. Too bad it is a retired product. I still don't understand why process let it die.e > >aF > > Because the competition was giving away VMS web servers for free ! > I > cost was only $900 and it was worth every penny!  unlike the conveluted-L > unix structures of apache and osu (confs and worse), purveyor had a singleN > configuration file that could be created and managed from a html session ...M > that was it besides a startup and restart com ... and it ran the best underkN > vms, we did testing w/all 3 web servers under tcpware, ucx and multinet, and  > tcpware/purveyor was superior!  N Don't forget WASD (http://wasd.vsm.com.au/) which has a lot of unique featuresN and can provide Purveyor style variables to CGI script, so it can run many CGI$ written for Purveyor out of the box.N I know sites which has migrate very smoothly from Purveyor to WASD without any problem.  J More WASD include can be configure as a PROXY server and it run very fast.  < http://wasd.vsm.com.au/other/wasd-tlt-exec-council-1a.htm or9 http://wasd.vsm.com.au/other/wasd-tlt-exec-council-1a.ppt 4 is a presentation given at a recent OpenVMS council.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:20:17 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e# Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandary-' Message-ID: <3C6246D1.7D9191EB@aaa.com>0  : I'd take a look about replacing the impact printers with aB laser printer based form management system. I'v been using JetFormA for this purpose a lot. Desinging forms on in Windows applicationsF and running the VMS version of JetForm to do the data+form merging and1 printing. Just plain paper in all laser printers.r  < N.B, just found out that JetForm has changed it's names into4 Accelio and can be founf at http://www.accelio.com/.8 And I'm not 100% sure that they still supports there VMS
 version...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.m  . "Ingemar Olson, Sperling (604)444-7367" wrote: > G > Somebody out there must have had to deal with this situation already.r >  > Here's the issue:o > N > At one of our main sites we've got an impact printer that prints invoices onI > some nice multi-colour continuous-form paper that's got the pre-printed : > background with company logo and column separators, etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:16:13 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>n# Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandaryc' Message-ID: <3C629A3D.7287BEA1@aaa.com>l  ; Regarding VMS and JetForm, below is an answer from Accelio.S< Sad, it was a real nice product (and maybe still is on other plattforms).   Jan-Erik    
 Hi Jan-erick,i  @ Unfortunately, unless you have a current Maintenance and Support contract in E place for the product, we no longer support or sell support contractsT forn% JetForm products on the VMS platform.   C Please feel free to call our Accelio Customer Center if you requirec additional information.l   Thanks and regards, ) _________________________________________     Accelio Customer Center    Accelio Corporation r! Phone: 1-866-766-2256 (Toll Free)j Fax:  1-613-594-5805 E-mail: info@accelio.com       -----Original Message----- From: Jan-erik Sderholm (QAC)+ [mailto:Jan-erik.Soderholm@pac.ericsson.se] ) Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:24 AMa To: 'info@accelio.com'4 Subject: Any VMS version of JetForm still suported ?     Se subject :-)  6 Is there some VMS version of JetForm still supported ?   Best Regards Jan-Erik Sderholm.a   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:10:17 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>nK Subject: SET WATCH (was: RE: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.))i; Message-ID: <01KDZS3CXV3U8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>d  E > > > How do I audit use of single executables (i.e. TELNET and SSH)?, > >r
 > >SET WATCH?O > K > What are the command qualifiers? i.e. can I make this be logged to OPCOM? G > I tried "SET WATCH MULTINET:TELNET.EXE" and the response indicated itu% > doesn't take a file as a parameter.  > ? > BTW, it isn't in the online help as the following link shows:a$ > http://vmsbox.cjb.net/help?key=SET  C SET WATCH has been around a while, but is undocumented.  Check out V  8    http://axp603.gsi.de:8080/www/eng/vms/qaa/undoc.htmlx   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:48:21 -0500a1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>dO Subject: Re: SET WATCH (was: RE: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.))32 Message-ID: <3C627795.EC402C96@firstdbasource.com>  G He does NOT want to use SET WATCH for auditing purposes. SET WATCH will2C tell you HOW it is accessing those files not WHEN you are accessing ? those files.  It is a troubleshooting tool to make sure you ared3 accessing a particular file depending on the CLASS.n   Start here:t@ http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6346/6346pro_021.html  > You would use HELP SET AUDIT EXAMPLES to turn auditing on and:  $ SET -D SECURITY/ACL=(ALARM=SECURITY,ACCESS=DELETE+CONTROL+SUCCESS+FAILURE)-  <filename>o   -- l   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com  President/Sr. DBA Consultant     Phillip Helbig wrote:i > G > > > > How do I audit use of single executables (i.e. TELNET and SSH)?m > > >o > > >SET WATCH?i > > M > > What are the command qualifiers? i.e. can I make this be logged to OPCOM? I > > I tried "SET WATCH MULTINET:TELNET.EXE" and the response indicated itr' > > doesn't take a file as a parameter.d > >eA > > BTW, it isn't in the online help as the following link shows:e& > > http://vmsbox.cjb.net/help?key=SET > D > SET WATCH has been around a while, but is undocumented.  Check out > : >    http://axp603.gsi.de:8080/www/eng/vms/qaa/undoc.htmlx   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 15:25:45 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>O Subject: Re: SET WATCH (was: RE: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)) 6 Message-ID: <20020207152545.18800.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On Thu, 07 Feb 2002, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote::H >He does NOT want to use SET WATCH for auditing purposes. SET WATCH willD >tell you HOW it is accessing those files not WHEN you are accessing@ >those files.  It is a troubleshooting tool to make sure you are4 >accessing a particular file depending on the CLASS. >y >Start here:A >http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6346/6346pro_021.htmlb  J That's just what I needed, I have to admit I'm not as familiar as I shouldF be with the online documentation. Right now I don't have access to the  printed versions which I prefer.  ? >You would use HELP SET AUDIT EXAMPLES to turn auditing on and:r	 > $ SET -nE >SECURITY/ACL=(ALARM=SECURITY,ACCESS=DELETE+CONTROL+SUCCESS+FAILURE)-o > <filename>     Doc. -- u6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neta   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:47:29 -0700 (MST)" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>G Subject: Snippet from USA today on Land Warrior digital-fighting systemeF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0202071044230.1146-100000@athena.csdco.com>  F "Its Microsoft 2000 software still has bugs but is nearing the project. goal of 10 days of use without breaking down."  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 05:58:40 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: US-NY: Schenectady NY OpenVMS/Unix Position= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202070558.10fe271f@posting.google.com>:  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C61DDF4.88B96CED@videotron.ca>...a > Bob Ceculski wrote:. > > ? > > why run vms w/unix when vms can do it all and more securely/? > > than unix?  another screwup company who hired IT people who,% > > didn't know what they were doing!  > L > If a user selected an application that is no longer available on VMS, thenE > they have to have some unix infrastructure to run that application.e  I not from what they have listed ... they list samba on unix, samba runs onlL vms also ... java web apps, also runs on vms and runs better as java virtualJ machine is fastest on vms and vms is best web app platform ... from one of my posts ...  F > VMS stands for Virtual Memory System. It is an operating system thatG > Digital Equipment Corporation developed after the RSX system that raneH > on the PDP series of computers (circa late 70's early 80's - hence VMSD > post-dates Unix -- more history here). VMS is process heavy ratherH > than process light so programs load quite slowly - once loaded howeverE > they make for reasonable real time perfomance despite the fact that E > VMS was never designed to be a real time OS. Indeed this ability to E > "run real time" is why VMS is not merely a good daemon platform butP2 > the daemon platform - yup even better than Unix.   no excuses for this company!   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:24:53 GMTd? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)7+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?r/ Message-ID: <3c62605b.1449644@news.demon.co.uk>2  % To emphasize what Bill has also said:m  C - the Spiralog snapshot is semantically the same as a 'crash point'pF inasmuch as it represents the state of the disk at a specific point inB time.  Any corruption that results from this directly implies thatE there are states which may cause data corruption on a system failure.0  A - RMS and ODS-n are designed to use careful updates to avoid justrF these types of corruption.  If you see any corruption of this type, itC is a bug and should be reported to Compaq.  Certainly when I was ina? the RMS group reports of problems such as these were taken VERYw
 seriously.  D - If your application sees a logial corruption due to a snapshot, or@ due to a system failure, then your application is not practicingF careful update, and therefore that application cannot survive a systemE failure.  It is not highly available regardless of how many boxes youf buy from Compaq.  C - Therefore, if you have an application that purports to be missionoE critical, the ONLY reason for shutting down that application during a0B snapshot should be to reduce that application's recovery time whenB next run against that snapshot.  If you have any other reasons you> either have encountered bugs in OpenVMS or in the application.    B Finally, a side note, since we're close to the topic.  OpenVMS hasD historically used careful updates to avoid data inconsistency.  ThisF works, but is complicated and, frankly, slow.  It would have been muchD better if other parts of the system had over the years adopted writeF ahead logging, or even transaction-based, techniques.  There are many,? many instances in VMS where these would improve performance andp8 simplify the code, without any loss in data consistency.   Jim.    B On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:50:47 -0500, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote:  6 >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message8 >news:d7791aa1.0202061010.275253a6@posting.google.com...8 >> Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message& >news:<3C614C83.D3CB317D@gtech.com>... >> > Bob Ceculski wrote:K >> > > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org>  >wrote:C >> > > >0 >> > > > >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog? >> > >M >> > > I heard everything was going great, then gone!  I say compaq killed it- >underG >> > > pressure of oracle and other db marketers ... IBM has db2, again3	 >capellas3) >> > > has failed to follow the IBM plan!  >> >	 >> > ????e >> >. >> > Spiralog is a file-system not a database. >> >	 >> > ArneR >>> >> I know that, except that it would have allowed access speed= >> and allowed for such things as backups on open files whicheA >> is not allowed now and might entice people to use rms as their$ >> db instead of buying one! > G >It was a myth that Spiralog could make a valid backup of an open file. L >Spiralog could take a "snapshot" of a disk and backup that snapshot view ofK >the disk.  If an RMS file was in the middle of splitting a bucket when theNE >snapshot is taken then the backup copy of that file will be corrupt.  >sK >The advantage of snapshots is that you only have to stop your applications L >for as long as it takes to make the snapshot.  If you really want to backup' >while your app keeps running, use Rdb.e >  >  >t   Jim JohnsonS Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:04:06 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>h+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?-/ Message-ID: <u655r7k70hrd2c@news.supernews.com>   L "Jim Johnson" <Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com> wrote in message) news:3c62605b.1449644@news.demon.co.uk...o' > To emphasize what Bill has also said:g >DE > - the Spiralog snapshot is semantically the same as a 'crash point'gH > inasmuch as it represents the state of the disk at a specific point inD > time.  Any corruption that results from this directly implies thatG > there are states which may cause data corruption on a system failure.e >tC > - RMS and ODS-n are designed to use careful updates to avoid just.H > these types of corruption.  If you see any corruption of this type, itE > is a bug and should be reported to Compaq.  Certainly when I was inuA > the RMS group reports of problems such as these were taken VERYf > seriously. >oF > - If your application sees a logial corruption due to a snapshot, orB > due to a system failure, then your application is not practicingH > careful update, and therefore that application cannot survive a systemG > failure.  It is not highly available regardless of how many boxes you  > buy from Compaq.  H What do you mean by "logical corruption"?  My contention is that after aL crash you can wind up with an RMS file that has invalid keys.  The data will< be intact but the indexes need to be rebuilt with a CONVERT.   > E > - Therefore, if you have an application that purports to be mission,G > critical, the ONLY reason for shutting down that application during a:D > snapshot should be to reduce that application's recovery time whenD > next run against that snapshot.  If you have any other reasons you@ > either have encountered bugs in OpenVMS or in the application. >l >tD > Finally, a side note, since we're close to the topic.  OpenVMS hasF > historically used careful updates to avoid data inconsistency.  ThisH > works, but is complicated and, frankly, slow.  It would have been muchF > better if other parts of the system had over the years adopted writeH > ahead logging, or even transaction-based, techniques.  There are many,A > many instances in VMS where these would improve performance andm: > simplify the code, without any loss in data consistency. >u > Jim. >i > D > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:50:47 -0500, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> > wrote: >a8 > >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message: > >news:d7791aa1.0202061010.275253a6@posting.google.com...: > >> Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message( > >news:<3C614C83.D3CB317D@gtech.com>... > >> > Bob Ceculski wrote:= > >> > > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II"u <cwhii@ACM.org>u	 > >wrote:h
 > >> > > >2 > >> > > > >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog? > >> > >L > >> > > I heard everything was going great, then gone!  I say compaq killed it > >underI > >> > > pressure of oracle and other db marketers ... IBM has db2, againe > >capellasc+ > >> > > has failed to follow the IBM plan!r > >> > > >> > ????- > >> >0 > >> > Spiralog is a file-system not a database. > >> > > >> > Arnes > >>@ > >> I know that, except that it would have allowed access speed? > >> and allowed for such things as backups on open files whichuC > >> is not allowed now and might entice people to use rms as theirm > >> db instead of buying one! > >mI > >It was a myth that Spiralog could make a valid backup of an open file.mK > >Spiralog could take a "snapshot" of a disk and backup that snapshot viewr ofI > >the disk.  If an RMS file was in the middle of splitting a bucket when  thePG > >snapshot is taken then the backup copy of that file will be corrupt.h > >e@ > >The advantage of snapshots is that you only have to stop your applicationsG > >for as long as it takes to make the snapshot.  If you really want toe backup) > >while your app keeps running, use Rdb.i > >  > >  > >  >n
 > Jim Johnsonc > Software Exploration, Ltd.+ > (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:55:35 -0500% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>e+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?e/ Message-ID: <u655bgkoq6u675@news.supernews.com>e  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagev9 news:9To88.1830$EP1.280584@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...m >/2 > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message+ > news:u63jr8hou73o34@news.supernews.com...i >a > ...a >CJ > > It was a myth that Spiralog could make a valid backup of an open file.L > > Spiralog could take a "snapshot" of a disk and backup that snapshot view > ofJ > > the disk.  If an RMS file was in the middle of splitting a bucket when thewH > > snapshot is taken then the backup copy of that file will be corrupt. > >cA > > The advantage of snapshots is that you only have to stop your  applicationsH > > for as long as it takes to make the snapshot.  If you really want to > backup* > > while your app keeps running, use Rdb. >:A > I'm afraid you don't understand how RMS works, what constitutes G > 'corruption', or the similarities between RMS and Rdb in this matter.e >aL > 1.  RMS indexed file bucket splits (like ODS-2 operations underneath them)J > perform actions using 'careful replacement', such that if a system crashI > interrupts them the file is *not* left 'corrupted' in any way (the onlyeK > exception being the rare instance when the crash interrupts the update of  aeG > single, multi-block bucket - but that situation does not apply to thehL > Spiralog snapshot case since Spiralog snapshots presumably do not break up > single Write requests).- >7L > 2.  I don't know how carefully RMS-32 handles updates to a multi-key file:C > there may be crash cases (and Spiralog snapshot cases) where some'	 alternatemH > key updating may be left incomplete (at one point I had a design whichJ > avoided this, but I don't know whether RMS-32 ever implemented something; > similar).  But of course that's not the example you gave.a  D Actually I was thinking of a multikey file, sorry I wasn't explicit.   >l7 > 3.  Thus (at least for single-key files) RMS provides K > snapshot/crash-resiliency analogous to that which you ascribe to Rdb:  itiH > just uses smaller (single-operation) transactions as the definition ofJ > consistency (or, of course, full transaction-style RMS recovery units if youlK > choose, which cover the multi-key file cases as well).  And in both casesrI > (Rdb and RMS) your application needs to structure its transactions suchc thatG > each leaves all its underlying data in a recovery-consistant state inr order G > for 'on-line' snapshotting (without the kind of application pause you_% > mention above) to work effectively.o >s  G I don't claim to be an RMS internals expert but I know that RMS doesn't J update a multi key file in a single write.  I also know that it can take aJ loooong time to update an index when there are a lot of duplicate keys (anJ application design error).  If a file contains a newly inserted record butJ only two of the 5 indexes have been updated when the snapshot is taken (orH the system crashes) doesn't that result in a corrupt file?  RMS's robustH design should enable that file to be recovered with a simple convert butE it's still corrupt until the convert is done.  Am I wrong about this?h  J > In other words, there's nothing any more 'mythical' about Spiralog's (orL > some similar mechanism's) ability to back up an open file than about Rdb'sI > ability to handle on-line backup:  in both cases, the mechanisms create H > crash-consistent copies of the underlying data which the system eitherL > during backup or on recovery makes consistent at the level of the API thatI > applications use to access that data, and in both cases this may or mayi not'I > be sufficient to avoid the need for additional application intelligence/J > during operation and/or during recovery.  RMS's recovery unit facilitiesI > offer a mechanism similar to Rdb transactions to make the application's- lifeK > on recovery easier, but they still don't always satisfy all needs in this K > area (hence the lack of such mechanisms would not constitute a definitivee > difference, either). >   L I've never used RMS journaling but I think you're selling Rdb short.  An RdbJ online backup gets you a backup that contains only committed transactions.G The only time you could wind up with an invalid (as opposed to corrupt)iJ database is if you have an application design error.   A Spiralog snapshotJ may be as good as a crash for RMS but it isn't even close to an Rdb online backup.6   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 15:52:37 GMTi? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)E+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?-0 Message-ID: <3c629b04.16465896@news.demon.co.uk>  B On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:04:06 -0500, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote:  M >"Jim Johnson" <Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com> wrote in messageT* >news:3c62605b.1449644@news.demon.co.uk...( >> To emphasize what Bill has also said: >>F >> - the Spiralog snapshot is semantically the same as a 'crash point'I >> inasmuch as it represents the state of the disk at a specific point inrE >> time.  Any corruption that results from this directly implies thatiH >> there are states which may cause data corruption on a system failure. >>D >> - RMS and ODS-n are designed to use careful updates to avoid justI >> these types of corruption.  If you see any corruption of this type, it F >> is a bug and should be reported to Compaq.  Certainly when I was inB >> the RMS group reports of problems such as these were taken VERY
 >> seriously.n >>G >> - If your application sees a logial corruption due to a snapshot, orTC >> due to a system failure, then your application is not practicing I >> careful update, and therefore that application cannot survive a systemtH >> failure.  It is not highly available regardless of how many boxes you >> buy from Compaq.b >hI >What do you mean by "logical corruption"?  My contention is that after a M >crash you can wind up with an RMS file that has invalid keys.  The data will6= >be intact but the indexes need to be rebuilt with a CONVERT.I  B Let's take this in parts.  At the lowest level, there should be noF point in time where the data on disk forms a sufficiently inconsistentB set of data such that I have to rebuild it to access it.  So, if IE find that I get a fatal prolog or format error, I'm looking at a bug.L That should be reported ASAP.   F At the next level, where I have a series of updates to make to performE a single operation (e.g. adding a record with multiple keys), I first-E need to define what the valid intermediate states are.  They could be)C that it is valid for keys to point to records that don't exist, for = instance.  What is important is that these rules are defined,.A documented, and adhered to -- both by the software performing the2D operation (RMS in this case) and the user of that software.  Failure< to do so by either party is a bug on the part of that party.  B (For instance, let's say that it is legal for a key to be realizedD first before the data record, which means that a 'deleted reference'C error is actually a legitimate state of the file.  If this state isg@ not hidden by the accessing software, and the application is notF prepared to handle that case, then that application may incorrectly be+ unable to continue after a systems failure)   D Now, even if everyone is able to handle the full set of valid statesD of the data, it may be useful to run maintenance operations in orderE to reduce future operation and recovery times.  That is where CONVERT C should come in the scenario you outlined.  However, it is still the F case that if it is needed for correct operation, there is a problem in the RMS/application stack.  D Please note that I do not have the RMS documentation in front of me,C and cannot remember if all the legal partial states are hidden from.C the application.  I do know that RMS did operate in accordance withe the principals described above.r   Jim.   >e >>F >> - Therefore, if you have an application that purports to be missionH >> critical, the ONLY reason for shutting down that application during aE >> snapshot should be to reduce that application's recovery time when E >> next run against that snapshot.  If you have any other reasons youoA >> either have encountered bugs in OpenVMS or in the application.  >> >>E >> Finally, a side note, since we're close to the topic.  OpenVMS hasgG >> historically used careful updates to avoid data inconsistency.  ThisiI >> works, but is complicated and, frankly, slow.  It would have been mucheG >> better if other parts of the system had over the years adopted writenI >> ahead logging, or even transaction-based, techniques.  There are many,sB >> many instances in VMS where these would improve performance and; >> simplify the code, without any loss in data consistency.  >> >> Jim.  >> >>E >> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:50:47 -0500, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>o	 >> wrote:e >>9 >> >"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message ; >> >news:d7791aa1.0202061010.275253a6@posting.google.com...f; >> >> Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messagee) >> >news:<3C614C83.D3CB317D@gtech.com>.... >> >> > Bob Ceculski wrote:f> >> >> > > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:12:55 GMT, "C.W.Holeman II" ><cwhii@ACM.org>
 >> >wrote: >> >> > > > 3 >> >> > > > >Whatever finally happened to Spiralog?.	 >> >> > >uM >> >> > > I heard everything was going great, then gone!  I say compaq killeda >it,	 >> >underaJ >> >> > > pressure of oracle and other db marketers ... IBM has db2, again >> >capellas, >> >> > > has failed to follow the IBM plan! >> >> >l >> >> > ???? >> >> >o1 >> >> > Spiralog is a file-system not a database.  >> >> >o >> >> > Arne >> >> A >> >> I know that, except that it would have allowed access speedi@ >> >> and allowed for such things as backups on open files whichD >> >> is not allowed now and might entice people to use rms as their >> >> db instead of buying one!e >> >J >> >It was a myth that Spiralog could make a valid backup of an open file.L >> >Spiralog could take a "snapshot" of a disk and backup that snapshot view >ofnJ >> >the disk.  If an RMS file was in the middle of splitting a bucket when >theH >> >snapshot is taken then the backup copy of that file will be corrupt. >> >A >> >The advantage of snapshots is that you only have to stop yourn
 >applicationscH >> >for as long as it takes to make the snapshot.  If you really want to >backupy* >> >while your app keeps running, use Rdb. >> > >> > >> > >> >> Jim Johnson >> Software Exploration, Ltd.:, >> (remove '.nospam' from the reply address) >n >s   Jim Johnson9 Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)j   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 17:44:51 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Spiralog?h@ Message-ID: <m2z88.16544$xO4.900864@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:u655bgkoq6u675@news.supernews.com...i >d7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagee; > news:9To88.1830$EP1.280584@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...o > >o4 > > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message- > > news:u63jr8hou73o34@news.supernews.com...A > >  > > ...k > >hL > > > It was a myth that Spiralog could make a valid backup of an open file.I > > > Spiralog could take a "snapshot" of a disk and backup that snapshote view > > ofL > > > the disk.  If an RMS file was in the middle of splitting a bucket when > themJ > > > snapshot is taken then the backup copy of that file will be corrupt. > > >nC > > > The advantage of snapshots is that you only have to stop your  > applicationsJ > > > for as long as it takes to make the snapshot.  If you really want to
 > > backup, > > > while your app keeps running, use Rdb. > > C > > I'm afraid you don't understand how RMS works, what constituteseI > > 'corruption', or the similarities between RMS and Rdb in this matter., > >RH > > 1.  RMS indexed file bucket splits (like ODS-2 operations underneath them)rL > > perform actions using 'careful replacement', such that if a system crashK > > interrupts them the file is *not* left 'corrupted' in any way (the onlyeJ > > exception being the rare instance when the crash interrupts the update of > aJI > > single, multi-block bucket - but that situation does not apply to thesK > > Spiralog snapshot case since Spiralog snapshots presumably do not breakd up > > single Write requests).  > >mH > > 2.  I don't know how carefully RMS-32 handles updates to a multi-key file:tE > > there may be crash cases (and Spiralog snapshot cases) where someo > alternatelJ > > key updating may be left incomplete (at one point I had a design whichL > > avoided this, but I don't know whether RMS-32 ever implemented something= > > similar).  But of course that's not the example you gave.o >fF > Actually I was thinking of a multikey file, sorry I wasn't explicit.  L You were explicit:  you specified corruption due to interruption of a bucketL split.  That's protected every bit as well in a multi-key file as it is in aL single-key file:  the fact that interruption may leave one or more alternateJ indexes unupdated is a separate issue (since bucket splits do not generate alternate index activity).   ...a  I > I don't claim to be an RMS internals expert but I know that RMS doesn'te, > update a multi key file in a single write.  A It doesn't split buckets in a single write either.  However, it's I easier/cheaper to protect the bucket-split operation using careful updateOF sequences than it is to protect the updating of an arbitrary number ofD alternate keys (where you effectively need a mini transaction log or equivalent mechanism).      I also know that it can take aL > loooong time to update an index when there are a lot of duplicate keys (anL > application design error).  If a file contains a newly inserted record butL > only two of the 5 indexes have been updated when the snapshot is taken (or< > the system crashes) doesn't that result in a corrupt file?  K That's what I said in my response, though it wasn't relevant to the examplee	 you gave.      RMS's robustJ > design should enable that file to be recovered with a simple convert butG > it's still corrupt until the convert is done.  Am I wrong about this?M  G It is indeed logically corrupt.  Unless, of course, you protected it byaE using a recovery unit, in which case no corruption exists even in the1I multi-key update case (an RU is similar to a transaction in this regard).s   >bL > > In other words, there's nothing any more 'mythical' about Spiralog's (orH > > some similar mechanism's) ability to back up an open file than about Rdb's K > > ability to handle on-line backup:  in both cases, the mechanisms create>J > > crash-consistent copies of the underlying data which the system eitherI > > during backup or on recovery makes consistent at the level of the API> thatK > > applications use to access that data, and in both cases this may or may  > notuK > > be sufficient to avoid the need for additional application intelligenceiL > > during operation and/or during recovery.  RMS's recovery unit facilitiesK > > offer a mechanism similar to Rdb transactions to make the application's> > lifeH > > on recovery easier, but they still don't always satisfy all needs in thisB > > area (hence the lack of such mechanisms would not constitute a
 definitive > > difference, either). > >u >rJ > I've never used RMS journaling but I think you're selling Rdb short.  An RdbgL > online backup gets you a backup that contains only committed transactions.  J And a Spiralog snapshot of an RMS file using recovery units (or using onlyH single-key files without using recovery units), when recovered, contains@ only completed RMS operations (or complete RUs if RUs are used).  I > The only time you could wind up with an invalid (as opposed to corrupt)f6 > database is if you have an application design error.  I Same is true of RMS, as long as you either use recovery units or use only J single-key files.  However, if you don't use recovery units, the effectiveH transaction size is each individual RMS operation, whereas if you do useH recovery units (or transactions in the case of Rdb) you *may* be able to> structure them to make post-crash restart (or restart from the0 snapshot/backup) transparent to the application.      A Spiralog snapshotL > may be as good as a crash for RMS but it isn't even close to an Rdb online	 > backup.o  = I'm afraid you still don't understand.  Hope the above helps.e   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Feb 2002 03:37:01 -0800b% From: mb301@hotmail.com (Mark Bowman)uD Subject: Why are Alphas so fast when performing number calculations?= Message-ID: <1d08b916.0202070337.67c504d7@posting.google.com>c  C Could someone tell me why Alpha (DS20E) are so fast when performing  number calculations?
 For example:-t  : Finding out is x is a prime number and akermanns function?  5 http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/bench/ackermann/I   Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 07:29:52 -0500'1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>oH Subject: Re: Why are Alphas so fast when performing number calculations?2 Message-ID: <3C627340.3BA69DD7@firstdbasource.com>  F Could it have something to do with the fact that it is the fastest cpu
 in the world?s      Mark Bowman wrote: > E > Could someone tell me why Alpha (DS20E) are so fast when performinge > number calculations? > For example:-n > < > Finding out is x is a prime number and akermanns function? > 7 > http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/bench/ackermann/s >  > Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:28:31 +0100t, From: Helmut Michels <michels@linmpi.mpg.de>/ Subject: [ANN] Data Plotting Library DISLIN 7.6 - Message-ID: <3C629D1E.216192B9@linmpi.mpg.de>)  B I am pleased to announce version 7.6 of the data plotting software DISLIN.   ; DISLIN is a high-level and easy to use plotting library forSC displaying data as curves, bar graphs, pie charts, 3D-colour plots, A surfaces, contours and maps. Several output formats are supportedeE such as X11, VGA, PostScript, PDF, CGM, WMF, HPGL, TIFF, PNG and BMP.i  7 The software supports the VMS compilers C, F77 and F90.o  H DISLIN distributions and manuals are available from the DISLIN Home Page        http://www.dislin.deo   and via FTP from the serverr  (      ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/grafik/dislin    -------------------   Helmut Michels=   Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie  Phone: +49 5556 979-334 =   Max-Planck-Str. 2                   Fax  : +49 5556 979-240tB   D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau           Mail : michels@linmpi.mpg.de   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.074 ************************