0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 09 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 77      Contents:( Re: Advanced Server as a "client" ?  :>)! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there  Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) Re: BILF for ALPHA? ( Buy 1 and Get 1 Free - 9GB S/Works Disks0 Re: channels and socket descriptors interchange?0 Re: channels and socket descriptors interchange? Re: Creating a symbiont - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? ) Display postscript and Hobbyist programme + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY + Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY % Re: emacs21 working a little bit more  Error when using "convert/fdl" FIND vs. DFU Re: FIND vs. DFU Re: Galaxy help!!!! 1 Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.) B Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents)B Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents)B Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents)B Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents). Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready !  Re: interrupt state CPU activity  Re: interrupt state CPU activity  Re: interrupt state CPU activity Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles2 Jack Welch: HP Rivals May Benefit From Compaq Deal/ Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links = Re: Merger to dull HP's crown jewel? So much for unix and VMS + Microsoft's Definition of Industry-Standard  Re: Microsoft's financials Re: Microsoft's financials Re: Microsoft's financials Re: Microsoft's financials Re: Microsoft's financials Re: Problem with smtp. Question about Group ID  Re: Question about Group ID  Re: Question about Group ID  Re: Queue & stock quandary Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight - Showing definitions in LNM$_PROCESS_DIRECTORY ! Re: TCPIP V5.1 eco 3 memory leaks ! Re: TCPIP V5.1 eco 3 memory leaks ! Re: TCPIP V5.1 eco 3 memory leaks  Re: The Vision Thing Re: There must be a way  Re: There must be a way  Re: Veritas Client for VMS Re: Veritas Client for VMS Re: Veritas NBU Client for VMS, Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign, Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign, Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign Walter Hewlett's No Merger site   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 05:30:41 GMT  From: as@if.com (MikeG) 1 Subject: Re: Advanced Server as a "client" ?  :>) 0 Message-ID: <3c64b132.5798416@news.videotron.ca>   Fabio,D not sure about the advice you received, but if you're really lookingB for an SMB client to talk to NT or Win2000 servers then you might D try contacting Vector Networking who make such a product.  I believeB it is called "LANuti32l" or something similar.  Checking their webC page  at www.vector-networks.com no longer displays the product for ? OpenVMS but perhaps if you contact them they will still make it  available.    B As well, I believe SAMBA has some form of limited client componentB which allows for what you may seek.  The details can be found fromB www.samba.org. Trying this won't cost you anything, although don'tF attempt to try this while Advanced Server is running on the CPU.  They don't dance together too well.     Cheers,  Mike G              = On 7 Feb 2002 15:41:13 -0800, fabio.becherini@ufrgs.br (Fabio  Becherini) wrote:    >Hi !  >  >Our environment is: > / >  A AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2 ? >  with DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A % >  & Advanced Server V7.2 for OpenVMS  > 0 >We have about 25000 users with theirs homedirs,. >accessing e-mail via logging in VMS, via POP3  >and via Webmail (WASD+yahmail). > / >Now we have about 45Gb disks and needing more, ' >but we have no $ cash to buy them :(((  > * >As we have some NT Servers + 2000 Servers) >with very large disks, somebody told us:  > > >  - "It's easy, install your Advanced Server V7.2 for OpenVMS7 >    (yes, we have it "now" installed), act as a client 1 >    for yours NT & 2000 servers, and yours users / >    can have theirs homedirs in these machines / >    as if the homedirs are in your VMS boxes."  >  >Something like this:  > / >          OpenVMS box           NT or 2000 box 1 >          ------------          ---------------- 1 >          user Scully    >>>    Scully's homedir . >          logged on             home:[scully] >          via Telnet, >          POP or Webmail  > 2 >Yes, I have read all the Advanced Server manuals,+ >and I've concluded that it's impossible :(  > 
 >Am I wrong ?  >  >Any ideas ? >  >Best regards, >  >Fabio.Becherini@ufrgs.br  >OpenVMS System Administrator ! >(Yes, I will love VMS forever :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:06:26 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there& Message-ID: <3C646802.6060102@home.nl>  K Buy A Toshiba CD-Rom, it will work. (Digital/Compaq is/was using them too).    Mark Redding wrote:    >Terry,  > ` >Thanks for that..However I was unable to locate anything other than the SCSI ID selector to the] >rear of the drive and it was already configured for use with some old Sun kit at our office.  > a >Now I'm beginning to rue the day I removed VMS 6.2 (with Rdb) and replaced it with NetBSD (which ; >I could have used via remotely mounted filesytems anyway).  >  >Terry Kennedy wrote:  > 4 >>Mark W J Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net> writes: >>^ >>>Having just purchased my hobbyist CD for my VAXSstation 4000 VLC I've borrowed a PLEXTOR CD\ >>>from work in order to try to install VMS on the machine. Sadly, as as I found in one post] >>>on a newsgroup, this drive goes offline (%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER) just after I issue the backup 0 >>>command to install the base VMS072.A saveset. >>> Q >>  Look at the back of the drive for a jumper marked "block size". This controls P >>whether the drive reports a 2048-byte block size (most applications) or a 512-O >>byte block size (VMS and Sun systems). Change it to the other setting, power- ! >>cycle the drive, and try again.  >>6 >>        Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com4 >>        terry@tmk.com             New York, NY USA >> >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 17:52:07 -0800 0 From: 75176.2451@compuserve.com (Scott Campbell)' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) = Message-ID: <2c127902.0202081752.7c5b1085@posting.google.com>   F We use DECmessageQ (BEA MessageQ) for the primary communications amongB processors on the E8-C Joint STARS aircraft. We have been using itF since 1993. We are based on VMS (VAX and Alpha). Entensive use is made= of the "optimized ethernet" mode, since a lot of our data are C broadcast. It has been very reliable, and has many features whereby = you can choose whether you want high performance or high data E reliability (its main attraction for us was its performance). It also  scales very well.   = My only gripe is that BEA seems to have continued the stealth ) marketing of this product that DEC began.       Scott Campbell    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 19:56:29 GMT = From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818)  Subject: Re: BILF for ALPHA?, Message-ID: <a41ahd$19j2@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>  i In article <3C63E804.C7374BC8@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: , ~>"j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818" wrote:O ~>> OK, so a colleage emailed me a .ZIP archive containing (I believe) a single R ~>> OpenVMS AXP executable.  Every time I try to unzip it (UNZIP.EXE is UnZip 5.42@ ~>> of 14 January 2001, by Info-ZIP), I get the following error: ~>> H ~>>         Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  PleaseS ~>>         run "bilf l X$SRC:[DATA]BLOG.ZIP;1" to convert the zipfile to stream-LF H ~>>         record format.  (BILF is available at various VMS archives.) ~>> I ~>> Is there something I can do short of asking the colleage to zip it up G ~>> differently, or to supply the file(s) in some other archive format?  ~>< ~>BILF was originally shipping witH ZOO many many years ago. ~>I ~>ZIP gives that error, when the file is not "binary" (which in VMS world  ~>is Fixed 512). ~>E ~>There are a pretty good chance that the file content is corrupt and + ~>no matter what you do it can not be read.  ~>A ~>Request it again. And be very creaful to treat it as binary the  ~>whole way. ~   A 	Well, turns out it worked just fine when I downloaded the entire ? 	email attachment to a PC, unzipped it there, then uploaded the ? 	OpenVMS executable that was contained therein.  Closer looking > 	at the colleage's email suggested he'd downloaded it to a PC,D 	zipped it THERE, then sent it (since the email client was CC:Mail).   	Thanks anyway....  M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+ N | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          | M | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          | M | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         | M | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       | M | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | M | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            | M | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      | M +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+ 9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   --	       /"\ #       \ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN !        X        AGAINST HTML MAIL 	       / \    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:10:14 -05001 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> 1 Subject: Buy 1 and Get 1 Free - 9GB S/Works Disks / Message-ID: <u68tn0de1hi1f0@news.supernews.com>    www.islandco.com   DS-RZ1DB-VW $299& Buy one at this price and get one free       -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 877 636 4332  International: 001 912 447 6622   Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.net  www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:23:38 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>9 Subject: Re: channels and socket descriptors interchange? , Message-ID: <3C644FEA.7090604@tsoft-inc.com>    Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279) wrote:   > I knowP > I can use the $QIO interface of sockets instead of the socket functions, but I > try avoiding it.  H Why?  I find the system service interface to sockets rather easy to use.     Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 05:17:46 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 9 Subject: Re: channels and socket descriptors interchange? * Message-ID: <3C64B45D.9040106@qsl.network>    Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279) wrote:   > Hello, > N >    I am writing a telnet-alike program using UCX as the TCP/IP transport andJ > came into the following obstacle: the select() function does not supportL > channels returned by $ASSIGN, and $QIO does not accept socket descriptors. > L >    Is there any function to translate between the two so I can either callP > select on $ASSIGN channels or use $QIO with ASTs on socket descriptors? I knowP > I can use the $QIO interface of sockets instead of the socket functions, but I > try avoiding it.    ! See the Compac C socket routines:   G decc$get_sdc(socket)  It returns the OpenVMS device channel associated  . with a socket, so you can use SYS$QIO with it.  H decc$socket_fd(channel)  It returns the file descriptor associated with  an OpenVMS device channel.    6 These routines only work with sockets, not with files.     -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:44:21 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>   Subject: Re: Creating a symbiont$ Message-ID: <3c642ab8$1@news.si.com>  7 >I would like to create a symbiont for alpha vms 7.2-1.   H I had fun doing this.  I wrote a symbiont that would add a flag page forJ jobs sent to a plotter.  It would intercept the job and insert information* in the first record, then send the job on.  ? >This symbiont would take an entry from the que and process the @ >file. This would not be printing a job, only used for filtering- >emails, and sent the entry to another queue.   D Souds like you could use EXECSMB.  It's a symbiont that will execute. arbitrary code for you, even DCL.  Get it from: ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/execsymb.zip . --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:30:50 -0800 & From: name99@mac.com (Maynard Handley)6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?7 Message-ID: <name99-0802021830500001@handma2.apple.com>   C In article <hnm46uk5e1h751vmkea5cr1pln4qk7fego@4ax.com>, Alan Greig  <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:   6 > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:54:59 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"$ > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >  >  > > O > >Boat? What's this about boats??? Seems to me that Carly said something about % > >burning bridges, not watercraft...  > E > Nope she actually said "boats". Here's a post of mine where I first F > referenced it together with The Inquirer link. The full text of this@ > "address the troops" meeting can be found in the SEC filings.   J This is a reference to one of the early South American explorers, HernandoH Cortez, the guy who conquered the Aztecs. To ensure that his troops keptI their energy focussed on the conquering ahead rather than planning how to F get home if things went wrong, he burned the boats they used to get to Mexico.     ' > From: Alan Greig (a.greig@virgin.net) 4 > Subject: We've burned our boats say Compaq and HP 8 > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, comp.sys.dec, comp.unix.tru648 > View: Complete Thread (33 articles) | Original Format   > Date: 2001-10-11 03:38:14 PST  >    > B > The Inquirer has a report of Carly and Curly's 'Houston love-in'9 > conference for staff. Here's a few selected quotes from ) > http://www.theinquirer.net/10100114.htm  >  > Carly:G > "There is no backup plan. We've burned the boats, we've landed in the F > brave new world, and we are going to go forward. And I, for one, whoE > have developed a core competence in ignoring bad press can tell you C > that, put all the headlines aside, put the short-term stock price H > reaction aside, and as Michael said to me at the end of the first day,D > you know what, we're just going to go prove them wrong, and that'sD > exactly right. And that to me is the most fun of all, setting yourG > sights high, having everyone in the world underestimate you, and then  > blowing their socks off."  > ; > Wonder just when Carly first blew Curly's r^hsocks off :)  >  > -- > Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 03:15:40 GMT & From: dave@willfork.com (Drazen Kacar)6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?4 Message-ID: <slrna6952v.s53.dave@raven.arsdigita.de>   Maynard Handley wrote:F >  In article <hnm46uk5e1h751vmkea5cr1pln4qk7fego@4ax.com>, Alan Greig > <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:  >   8 > > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:54:59 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"& > > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > > Q > > >Boat? What's this about boats??? Seems to me that Carly said something about ' > > >burning bridges, not watercraft...O > > ) > > Nope she actually said "boats". [...]  >  eM >  This is a reference to one of the early South American explorers, HernandorK >  Cortez, the guy who conquered the Aztecs. To ensure that his troops kepteL >  their energy focussed on the conquering ahead rather than planning how toI >  get home if things went wrong, he burned the boats they used to get toi
 >  Mexico.  @ Ah. I thought it was a reference to Greeks and the city of Troy.   --  ,  .-.   .-.    I don't think for my employer. (_  \ /  _)r      |        dave@willfork.come      |   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:02:50 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e2 Subject: Display postscript and Hobbyist programme, Message-ID: <3C643CEF.B992B3DB@videotron.ca>  E I was told that with VMS 7.3, display postscript is no longer on VMS.(  N Does this mean that 7.2 will be the next "stable" VMS release, replacing 5.5-2) which had remained in shops for so long ?   G Also, considering products such as DECwrite etc make use of the displaykK postscript, is there any discussions about keeping 7.2 as the "current" VMSeH version for workstations ? (especially for the hobbyist programme CD). ?  G Or is there a way to backup the display postscript shareable images andt5 restore them over 7.3 to maintain the functionality ?l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:39:21 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>g4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTY$ Message-ID: <3c64298d$1@news.si.com>  1 >In any case with one node the sequence would be:  >a >rename the dumpfile >reboota >make new dumpfile! >reboot again ( to get it mapped)a   Why not:   rename the dumpfilen make new dumpfilee reboot to map the new file -- uA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comi= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventk< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:37:23 -0000= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>n4 Subject: Re: Dumpfile recovery after SDA-E-DUMPEMPTYB Message-ID: <1013200676.19562.0.nnrp-14.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   and for a common dumpfile  rename the dumpfile- create new dumpfile (wherever)3 set file/enter etc... to create alias for each node  rolling reboot delete old dumpfilec  F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3c64298d$1@news.si.com...3 > >In any case with one node the sequence would be:  > >y > >rename the dumpfile	 > >reboot  > >make new dumpfile# > >reboot again ( to get it mapped)c > 
 > Why not: >m > rename the dumpfileb > make new dumpfile" > reboot to map the new file > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comt? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevento> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >w >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 04:48:23 GMTr- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>o. Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more* Message-ID: <3C64AD80.6030007@qsl.network>   Roar Throns wrote:    > , > Feedback, debuggers and developers needed. > < > : SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=00000000, param=00000000,M > : PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000, target PC=FFFFFFFF80A50B44, PS=0000001Br > ! > : Those errors are still there.2* > : I have no idea about what causes them.     EAGLE> HELP/MESSAGE ASTFLT  D  ASTFLT,  AST fault, SP='xxxxxxxx', param='xxxxxxxx', PC='location',>           PSL='xxxxxxxx', target PC='location', PSL='xxxxxxxx'  '   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Servicese  K   Explanation:  The system attempted to deliver an asynchronous system trapuG                 (AST) to an image, but the user stack pointer is either)J                 invalid or does not have sufficient space for the AST callK                 frame. This message indicates an exception condition and isyM                 usually followed by a display of the condition arguments, the F                 registers, and the stack at the time of the exception.  L   User Action:  Examine the parameters displayed in the message to determineM                 the instruction that caused the error. Locate the programmings.                 error that modified the stack.  ; Compile with machine code on, and link with the MAP option.   H Use the linker map to identify the closest symbol to 80A50B44, and then H find it using HEX math in the assembly listing produced by the compiler.  E This should lead you to the source line that is causing the problem. iE You also should look for where the AST was queued from once you have s identified the AST.0   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 23:46:46 GMT $ From: Mikec@netins.net (Mike Czizek)' Subject: Error when using "convert/fdl"h* Message-ID: <a41o16$89$1@ins22.netins.net>  K We have created an FDL file of an input file via the "analyze/rms/fdl ..." oI command. We then wanted to use that fdl file to convert a second file to iJ have the definition of the original file (i.e. to change the fixed length G from 512 bytes to 2048 bytes) via the command "convert/fdl ...".  This  B resulted in error "record too short for fixed record format file".  I What could be causing this error?  Is there a different or better way to 4" change the fixed length of a file?   --   Mike Czizek    Iowa Network Services, Inc.c   mikec@netins.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 13:26:55 -0800E' From: jbecker@ui.urban.org (Jim Becker)u Subject: FIND vs. DFUl= Message-ID: <c113b52c.0202081326.1e47a76e@posting.google.com>   C For a DCL procedure that's trying to list any files on a given diskrE owned or created by a particular individual, I was hoping that eithereF FIND (Hunter Goatley's archives) or DFU (OpenVMS Freeware CD) would be of use.l  E I wound up using FIND over DFU, but now I find that FIND is giving mep= wrong answers. Details follow. I'm hoping someone can offer aYE workaround or an alternative method. Worst case, I could have the DCL2D procedure navigate the entire directory structure and parse the ACLs for matching entries.e  A Here's a minimal example that shows the problem; JBECKER is a UICm identifier.D% $ find disk$ui_scratch1: /ace=jbeckerrA _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CDBG.SAS$WORK00032DB5]FINAL3.SASEB$DATA;14.D _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CPSDEVL.SAS$WORK00036558]GAP_LIA.SASEB$DATA;1C _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CPSDEVL.SAS$WORK00036558]EDUCAT.SASEB$DATA;4o  ; The problem is that none of those files have a JBECKER ACE.a Frinstance:eL $ dir/full _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CDBG.SAS$WORK00032DB5]FINAL3.SASEB$DATA;14  7 Directory _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CDBG.SAS$WORK00032DB5]   @ FINAL3.SASEB$DATA;14                      File ID:  (1545,637,0)4 Size:        11845/11865      Owner:    R_0672900600" Created:    8-FEB-2002 15:05:47.36& Revised:    8-FEB-2002 15:05:52.49 (2)" Expires:   10-FEB-2002 15:05:52.49 Backup:    <No backup recorded>l Effective: <None specified>j Recording: <None specified>s File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      OnlineA File attributes:    Allocation: 11865, Extend: 384, Global buffero count: 0:                     Version limit: 10, Contiguous best try1 Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte recordst Record attributes:  None RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:IM Access Cntrl List:  (IDENTIFIER=[G_CDBG,CDBG_CRH],OPTIONS=NOPROPAGATE,ACCESS=a6                     READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)O                     (IDENTIFIER=A_CDBG_MANAGE,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+e                     CONTROL)O                     (IDENTIFIER=A_CDBG_UPDATE,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE)n@                     (IDENTIFIER=A_CDBG_READ,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE)2                     (IDENTIFIER=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE)  $ Total of 1 file, 11845/11865 blocks.    F The files that got listed in the aforementioned FIND command appear in? directories that have tens of files, including higher and lowerh? versions of the files mentioned. Those directories are owned byd resource identifiers.   E I haven't done exhaustive testing to determine whether FIND has given>F incomplete results. I only know for sure that it sometimes lists extra results.  C IIRC, the reason I started using FIND over DFU was that I had foundOE that DFU sometimes gave wrong results. I can't duplicate that now. At @ the moment, a DFU command equivalent to my FIND example produces correct results:+ $ dfu search disk$ui_scratch1: /ace=jbeckerT  1      Disk and File Utilities for OpenVMS DFU V2.7d      Freeware versionu1      Copyright  2000 COMPAQ Computer Corporation   ? %DFU-I-SEARCH, Start search on DISK$UI_SCRATCH1: (ALPHA1$DRC0:)S    : %DFU-I-EOF, End of file INDEXF.SYS, Primary headers : 2003  ( %DFU-S-FND , Files found : 0, Size : 0/0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:49:12 -0500"1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>U Subject: Re: FIND vs. DFU 2 Message-ID: <3C6455E8.62A94CC2@firstdbasource.com>  H how about some simple DCL (V7.x) that will pipe the dir/acl to search, aH bit slow, but does get the right answer if the IDENT is either the OWNERH or an IDENTIFIER in an ACL.  One side effect you will have to correct isF that if the "IDENT" being searched are also a part of the filename, itC will return that as well whether or not it is in the ACL or OWNER.  G Example: searching for ident "james" will find file dra0:[xyz]james.txtd* [jamesbrown]... you can fix it from there.   $loop:@ $ if p1 .eqs. "" then inquire p1/nopunct "Enter search string: "F $ if p2 .eqs. "" then inquire p2/nopunct "Enter Disk:[DIR] or <cr> for none " $ file = f$search("''p2'*.*")0 $ if file .eqs. "" then exitB $ pipe DIR/OWNER 'file' | sear/nolog/nowarn/out=nl: sys$input 'p1'  $ if $status .eqs. "%X10000001"  $ then p $ write sys$output filed $ goto loopR $ else@ $ pipe DIR/ACL 'file' | sear/nolog/nowarn/out=nl: sys$input 'p1'; $ 	if $status .eqs. "%X10000001" then write sys$output filee $ endif6
 $goto loop   -- a Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comn     Jim Becker wrote:- > E > For a DCL procedure that's trying to list any files on a given disk<G > owned or created by a particular individual, I was hoping that eitherhH > FIND (Hunter Goatley's archives) or DFU (OpenVMS Freeware CD) would be	 > of use.t > G > I wound up using FIND over DFU, but now I find that FIND is giving mee? > wrong answers. Details follow. I'm hoping someone can offer a G > workaround or an alternative method. Worst case, I could have the DCL F > procedure navigate the entire directory structure and parse the ACLs > for matching entries.5 > C > Here's a minimal example that shows the problem; JBECKER is a UICt
 > identifier.m' > $ find disk$ui_scratch1: /ace=jbecker-C > _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CDBG.SAS$WORK00032DB5]FINAL3.SASEB$DATA;14mF > _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CPSDEVL.SAS$WORK00036558]GAP_LIA.SASEB$DATA;1E > _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CPSDEVL.SAS$WORK00036558]EDUCAT.SASEB$DATA;4r > = > The problem is that none of those files have a JBECKER ACE.r
 > Frinstance:aN > $ dir/full _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CDBG.SAS$WORK00032DB5]FINAL3.SASEB$DATA;14 > 9 > Directory _ALPHA1$DRC0:[UI_SYSDA.CDBG.SAS$WORK00032DB5]r > B > FINAL3.SASEB$DATA;14                      File ID:  (1545,637,0)6 > Size:        11845/11865      Owner:    R_0672900600$ > Created:    8-FEB-2002 15:05:47.36( > Revised:    8-FEB-2002 15:05:52.49 (2)$ > Expires:   10-FEB-2002 15:05:52.49! > Backup:    <No backup recorded>e > Effective: <None specified>  > Recording: <None specified>c  > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      OnlineC > File attributes:    Allocation: 11865, Extend: 384, Global bufferI
 > count: 0< >                     Version limit: 10, Contiguous best try3 > Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte recordso > Record attributes:  None > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None? > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:,O > Access Cntrl List:  (IDENTIFIER=[G_CDBG,CDBG_CRH],OPTIONS=NOPROPAGATE,ACCESS=w8 >                     READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+CONTROL)Q >                     (IDENTIFIER=A_CDBG_MANAGE,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE+  >                     CONTROL)Q >                     (IDENTIFIER=A_CDBG_UPDATE,ACCESS=READ+WRITE+EXECUTE+DELETE)pB >                     (IDENTIFIER=A_CDBG_READ,ACCESS=READ+EXECUTE)4 >                     (IDENTIFIER=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE) > & > Total of 1 file, 11845/11865 blocks. > H > The files that got listed in the aforementioned FIND command appear inA > directories that have tens of files, including higher and lowertA > versions of the files mentioned. Those directories are owned by  > resource identifiers.- > G > I haven't done exhaustive testing to determine whether FIND has giventH > incomplete results. I only know for sure that it sometimes lists extra
 > results. > E > IIRC, the reason I started using FIND over DFU was that I had foundrG > that DFU sometimes gave wrong results. I can't duplicate that now. AtpB > the moment, a DFU command equivalent to my FIND example produces > correct results:- > $ dfu search disk$ui_scratch1: /ace=jbeckerc > 3 >      Disk and File Utilities for OpenVMS DFU V2.7o >      Freeware versions3 >      Copyright  2000 COMPAQ Computer Corporation  > A > %DFU-I-SEARCH, Start search on DISK$UI_SCRATCH1: (ALPHA1$DRC0:)  > < > %DFU-I-EOF, End of file INDEXF.SYS, Primary headers : 2003 > * > %DFU-S-FND , Files found : 0, Size : 0/0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:02:21 GMT * From: Sean O'Banion <seanobanion@home.com> Subject: Re: Galaxy help!!!!' Message-ID: <3C64751F.6040203@home.com>e  E Have you tried using the Galaxy Configuration Utility (GCU) to definerD your Galaxy?  This will let you describe your Galaxy without setting3 console LP variables, which you can't do on a 1200.o  E See chapters 10 and 12 of the current "OpenVMS Alpha Partitioning andoA Galaxy Guide", which can be found in the OpenVMS Operating Systemc@ documentation (see the OpenVMS home page).  Chapter 10, "Using aD Single-Instance Galaxy on Any Alpha System" describes how to use the& GCU, which is described in chapter 12.  D I got this to work on my old DEC 3000 m 400, so it will work on just about anything!m     Sean     Anton Yelin wrote:  F  > I have AlphaServer 1200 vs OpenVMS 7.3. I try set 1 instance Galaxy4  > (by the doc) and GCU write me %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE.,  > In doc i found that %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE is&  > "Invalid node in Configuration TreeI  > The GCU has parsed an invalid structure within the configuration tree. F  > This can only result from configuration tree corruption or revision6  > mismatch between the ruleset and console firmware."F  > I have a latest firmware. How test my configuration tree?? I need 1  > instance Galaxy.t  > Help please.d  > Thank you in advance.  >   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:36:26 -0500; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> : Subject: Re: good legal practice (Good auditing practice.)$ Message-ID: <3c6428dd$1@news.si.com>  G >> Anyway, can someone answer my original question, which I'll rephrasew >> slightly... >>  B >> How do I audit use of single executables (i.e. TELNET and SSH)? >  >SET WATCH?   3 Image accounting would seem to be more appropriate.:   $ set acounting/enable=image   or  & $ install add someimage.exe/accounting   followed byt   $ account/image=someimeage -- .A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comlA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventG< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:14:27 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> K Subject: Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents)a2 Message-ID: <3C642393.16C8EFD5@firstdbasource.com>   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:sM > Indeed it is, I'm quite happy with my AlphaServer 2100. It ain't blindinglyo3 > fast, but it is a solid and dependable workhorse.   F The response on my webserver quite good actually... (www.spacelots.comG which is currently in /beta --still fighting with ISP to even run a web G server) -- and I have two 2100's and one has full (real) licenses), the-D other is powered down.  It generates way too much heat for my little office.F   -- < Regards,  ' Michael Austin  -- Currently available.s Sr. Consultant http://www.firstdbasource.com3 http://www.spacelots.com     >  > Doc. > --8 > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.M > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neth   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 19:15:04 GMTc1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)oK Subject: Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents)e, Message-ID: <a4183o$14bb$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  4 In article <20020208172902.711.qmail@gacracker.org>,@  Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:K |> On Fri, 08 Feb 2002, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 	 |> wrote:2 |> 4D |> >In fact, for the home hobbyist user a VMS system is probably the |> >cheapest legal alternative.e |> tN |> Indeed it is, I'm quite happy with my AlphaServer 2100. It ain't blindingly4 |> fast, but it is a solid and dependable workhorse. |> r  C Well, that's a bit of a stretch.  Linux or FreeBSD cost nothing andoG run with acceptable (read that as better than Win2K on faster hardware)eB performance on the kind of x86 box you find at the Salvation Army.  D And I would not want to be the dorm roommate of a guy with an AS2100% for reasons of both space and noise. r   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   z   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 19:39:21 GMTA1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1K Subject: Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents)l, Message-ID: <a419h9$1579$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  2 In article <3C642393.16C8EFD5@firstdbasource.com>,4  Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: |> nJ |> server) -- and I have two 2100's and one has full (real) licenses), theG |> other is powered down.  It generates way too much heat for my littleu
 |> office. |>    D I missed that reason.  Mine's in an air conditioned computer room soD I hadn't noticed the heat, but I do still notice the size and sound.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:10:14 -0500h1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>-K Subject: Re: home use (was: RE: The stupidity of granting software patents)t2 Message-ID: <3C644CC6.74D179F2@firstdbasource.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 4 > In article <3C642393.16C8EFD5@firstdbasource.com>,6 >  Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: <snip>  * >but I do still notice the size and sound.  F Especially when it gets too hot and the fan goes into overdrive.  TheyD make great cabinets to set my monitors on for my two linux boxes.. IE have not been able to afford a real KVM that the Alpha or Linux boxesSE can use without losing the keyboard/mouse.  I have a 2-system KVM A-B=G switch box that does work for the monitors on the Linux systems... If IMF had a 4-box, I could at least put all of the monitors on a switch box.  G It is real difficult to justify to my CFO that I "need" a $300 KVM when F I am sitting on the bench waiting for companies to finish with re-orgs9 and get their budgets in place so I can get back to work.e --     Regards,  ( Michael Austin   -- Currently Available.7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.coms Sr. Consultant     >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:11:10 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.netc7 Subject: Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready !a9 Message-ID: <ipV88.451$Dq3.464509@paloalto-snr2.gtei.net>s  @ In comp.os.vms Herman Zilverberg <zilverberg@t-online.de> wrote:H : Maybe my question is offtopic, but is yr. compy making  money with the$ : hardware or with the shippingcost?  9 You're kidding, right?  An ES40 shipped for $150 domestic@> is about what I'd expect, based on similar items I've shipped.; I'm sure, aside from the higher basic costs, that there area> fees for customs brokers, etc. for the international shipping.  D : "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag+ : news:u666ab2ogng470@news.supernews.com...e :> 500Mhz EV6 with 4MB Cache :> 21264 EV6 CPU :> 1GB Camintonn Memory  :> 1.44Mb Floppy + CDROM :> 4 Slot disk cage + :> 9GB Ultra 2 SCSI Disk Universal Hot Pluga :> DE500-BAh :> 100MB Ethernet  :> 2 x Ultra2 SCSI Controllern :> S3Trio64 2MB PCI Video Card :> No OS License included  :> Keyboard & Mouse, Power CordkD :> Installed in Top Gun Blue Cabinet w/120V PS Pedestal Version  (if : required)e :> :> System Price $7895m :>K :> Shipping prices below are excluding cabinet and also exclude local taxes2 :> and surcharges. :> :> Shipping to EU $350 :> Shipping Domestic $150y  :> Shipping: Australia/Asia $400 :> :> 1 Year Warranty :> :> :> --i :> Island Computers US Corp. :> 2700 Gregory Street :> Savannah GA 31404 :> Tel: 877 636 4332" :> International: 001 912 447 6622# :> Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096a :> dbturner@hpaq.net :> www.hpaq.nett :> :>       -- p Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netd= Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:48:02 -0800c. From: Jack Trachtman <Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org>) Subject: Re: interrupt state CPU activityi' Message-ID: <3C643982.8010702@vmmc.org>c   Rainer Giese wrote:S  * >>The graphic card is a 3Dlab oxygen VX1.  >>Someone got an idea ?A >> > G > I had the same on an ES45 with that graphic card. I've made a call toS > CPQ and that was the answer :o > 5 >  The problem is due to fifo underflow interrupts.  AG >  The fix was made in p3_driver.c rev X-6 and is checked into ruby andB > v73r.S >  > Rainer Giese >   H Excuse my ignorance but since I could use this fix, just what are "ruby" and "v73r".   Thanks.I   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:59:56 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>2) Subject: Re: interrupt state CPU activity:/ Message-ID: <pYX88.68$Jh4.575@news.cpqcorp.net>t  J V7.3-1.  Note that release code names are used, since we can always changeI the release "version" at the last minute.  V7.3R is the "Remedial" streamE	 for V7.3.    _Fredf  > Jack Trachtman wrote in message <3C643982.8010702@vmmc.org>... >t >y >Rainer Giese wrote: >e* >>>The graphic card is a 3Dlab oxygen VX1. >>>Someone got an idea ? >>>o >>H >> I had the same on an ES45 with that graphic card. I've made a call to  >> CPQ and that was the answer : >>4 >>  The problem is due to fifo underflow interrupts.H >>  The fix was made in p3_driver.c rev X-6 and is checked into ruby and >> v73r. >> >> Rainer Giese, >> >RI >Excuse my ignorance but since I could use this fix, just what are "ruby"  >and "v73r".   Thanks. >,   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:26:40 -0500R2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)) Subject: Re: interrupt state CPU activity,K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0802022226400001@1cust160.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>D  A In article <pYX88.68$Jh4.575@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"g$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  K >V7.3-1.  Note that release code names are used, since we can always change J >the release "version" at the last minute.  V7.3R is the "Remedial" stream
 >for V7.3.  I ... And the fixes in the remedial stream will wind up in ECO kits at somesG unspecified future time.  Software maintenance customers who need a fix D before an ECO kit is ready can likely get early access through their" regular software service contacts.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 20:19:40 -0000T# From: My Twocents <my@twocents.com>O Subject: Itanium troublesw9 Message-ID: <CM1XV0R337295.8886574074@frog.gilgamesh.org>t  V Interesting stuff on Itanic in eWEEK, in story about Dell dumping Itanium workstation.  D http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D701%2526a%253D22498,00.asp      J Intel tried to target both the Unix and Wintel markets with a single chip,L and made an EPIC mistake by producing a processor that doesn't fully addressQ the needs of either. Seven years and $1 bil spent on development, and all they'vee got is a work in progress.      R Of course, thanks to Compaq's collabortion, Alpha users will soon become unwilling beta testers.       K Supposedly even some Intel's engineers aren't thrilled with Itanium and arehN working up an x86 64-bit alternative. Don't you think that's what Wintel usersK wanted all along ? As for Itanium, Intel can more fully implement the AlphaeN technology and rid it of its limited 32-bit Wintel compatibility (which reallyP clogs the works anyway), resulting in a more stable, high-performance processor.       What do you think?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:46:03 -0500c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Itanium troublesl, Message-ID: <3C643902.20BD2144@videotron.ca>  N Interesting that Alpha was seen as DEC's saviour.  The chip that would propell DEC back to the front.  M But for IA64, there is no such predictions. Intel is already at the front andt" may in fact hurt itself with IA64.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 15:45:41 -0600t- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 3 Message-ID: <hIuDaLAU1V5+@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  _ In article <CM1XV0R337295.8886574074@frog.gilgamesh.org>, My Twocents <my@twocents.com> writes:iX > Interesting stuff on Itanic in eWEEK, in story about Dell dumping Itanium workstation. > F > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D701%2526a%253D22498,00.asp >  >  > L > Intel tried to target both the Unix and Wintel markets with a single chip,N > and made an EPIC mistake by producing a processor that doesn't fully addressS > the needs of either. Seven years and $1 bil spent on development, and all they'veb > got is a work in progress. >  >  > T > Of course, thanks to Compaq's collabortion, Alpha users will soon become unwilling > beta testers.  >  >  > M > Supposedly even some Intel's engineers aren't thrilled with Itanium and are0P > working up an x86 64-bit alternative. Don't you think that's what Wintel usersM > wanted all along ? As for Itanium, Intel can more fully implement the Alpha1P > technology and rid it of its limited 32-bit Wintel compatibility (which reallyR > clogs the works anyway), resulting in a more stable, high-performance processor. >  >  >  > What do you think?  B I think I don't like anonymous posters trying to be controversial.  I I think I don't like cross-posted topics trying to be controversial like:-  N > Xref: news.binc.net comp.arch:79630 comp.sys.intel:151675 comp.os.vms:216048  C Looking at the positive side, you are not afraid to use appropriatel capitalization.:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:01:26 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>i Subject: Re: Itanium troublese/ Message-ID: <PZX88.69$Jh4.555@news.cpqcorp.net>    The page isn't found.e      My Twocents wrote in message ...J >Interesting stuff on Itanic in eWEEK, in story about Dell dumping Itanium workstation. >sE >http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D701%2526a%253D22498,00.aspw >  >  > K >Intel tried to target both the Unix and Wintel markets with a single chip,FE >and made an EPIC mistake by producing a processor that doesn't fully  addressOJ >the needs of either. Seven years and $1 bil spent on development, and all they'vep >got is a work in progress.T >E >_ >GI >Of course, thanks to Compaq's collabortion, Alpha users will soon becomeN	 unwilling  >beta testers. >8 >1 >5L >Supposedly even some Intel's engineers aren't thrilled with Itanium and areI >working up an x86 64-bit alternative. Don't you think that's what Wintelt userssL >wanted all along ? As for Itanium, Intel can more fully implement the AlphaH >technology and rid it of its limited 32-bit Wintel compatibility (which reallyF >clogs the works anyway), resulting in a more stable, high-performance
 processor. >t >  >  >What do you think?s >t >u >g >N >v >D >w >t >  >a >o >r >  >t >U >m >m >g >  >n >e >t >I >n >d >i >e >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:47:32 GMTd* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles A Message-ID: <osZ88.25298$EP1.2021940@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>w  0 "My Twocents" <my@twocents.com> wrote in message3 news:CM1XV0R337295.8886574074@frog.gilgamesh.org...DK > Interesting stuff on Itanic in eWEEK, in story about Dell dumping Itaniumr workstation. >0F > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D701%2526a%253D22498,00.asp >-L > Intel tried to target both the Unix and Wintel markets with a single chip,F > and made an EPIC mistake by producing a processor that doesn't fully addresscK > the needs of either. Seven years and $1 bil spent on development, and allr they'vel > got is a work in progress. >yJ > Of course, thanks to Compaq's collabortion, Alpha users will soon become	 unwilling  > beta testers.2 > I > Supposedly even some Intel's engineers aren't thrilled with Itanium ando arenJ > working up an x86 64-bit alternative. Don't you think that's what Wintel users G > wanted all along ? As for Itanium, Intel can more fully implement theo AlphaeI > technology and rid it of its limited 32-bit Wintel compatibility (whichC reallyG > clogs the works anyway), resulting in a more stable, high-performance 
 processor. >h > What do you think?  H I think you're kind of late to this party:  there's already been a greatG deal of discussion (in all three newsgroups you include) in far greatern/ depth than you or the article you cite provide.p  I I also tend to suspect people who post anonymously and talk in the mannerrK you did of being trolls - even when I agree with a fair amount of what they  have to say.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:48:37 -0600$ From: "del cecchi" <dcecchi@msn.com> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles.3 Message-ID: <4m_88.844$dy4.29517@eagle.america.net>8  0 "My Twocents" <my@twocents.com> wrote in message3 news:CM1XV0R337295.8886574074@frog.gilgamesh.org... C > Interesting stuff on Itanic in eWEEK, in story about Dell dumpings Itanium workstation. >nF > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D701%2526a%253D22498,00.asp >  >  >>F > Intel tried to target both the Unix and Wintel markets with a single chip,HF > and made an EPIC mistake by producing a processor that doesn't fully addressbG > the needs of either. Seven years and $1 bil spent on development, and  all they'vem > got is a work in progress. >a >  > C > Of course, thanks to Compaq's collabortion, Alpha users will soon  become unwilling > beta testers.v >. >e >2E > Supposedly even some Intel's engineers aren't thrilled with Itaniumi and are5C > working up an x86 64-bit alternative. Don't you think that's what  Wintel usersG > wanted all along ? As for Itanium, Intel can more fully implement the2 Alpha2B > technology and rid it of its limited 32-bit Wintel compatibility
 (which really G > clogs the works anyway), resulting in a more stable, high-performance2
 processor. >r >b >u > What do you think? >w> I think you an ugly little troll.  Get back under your bridge.   ESAD   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 20:26:41 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Itanium troubles = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202082026.17a2d2a1@posting.google.com>u  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C643902.20BD2144@videotron.ca>...dP > Interesting that Alpha was seen as DEC's saviour.  The chip that would propell > DEC back to the front. > O > But for IA64, there is no such predictions. Intel is already at the front andc$ > may in fact hurt itself with IA64.  G I think Intel should just produce Alphas and pick up on EV8 and go from D there ... VMS and tru64 should remain w/hp unix customers eventuallyG ported to tru64 ... this would save everyone time and money and the topfL 2 64 bit platforms vms and tru64 would continue to dominate the high end ...K of course common sense never seems to win in braindead windoze pc companiesaJ like compaq and hp, so don't count on it ... I'm sure hp unix could easilyI be ported to alpha ... but anyone who thinks pc's are going to be a moneybH maker in the future unfortunately doesn't understand what's going on ...K as pc sales continue to drop as home users move to smart cable boxes, theretJ will remian only business to sell to, and they are also trying to get awayL from end user pc costs w/thin clients ... high end vms (I hope) and unix andG linux boxes will drive internet/intranet apps and give home users theiroL freedom from buying pc's and messing around w/software and hardware ... homeI users want what's coming, a wireless keyboard/remote control unit to surfoJ the web on their 50 digital flat wall tv's and send/recv mail from it, andJ download movies on demand, and have their disk space provided to them likeM aol or any other service provider does now ... businesses want to consolidateeM their 80,000 windoze boxes into several vms galaxies or  unix (gag!) or linuxnH mainframes w/sans and use thin clients to access apps ... pc's are dead!I Unfortunately, Capellas doesn't understand this, and I suggest anyone whoBO owns compaq/hp stock sell after merger or no merger, because they will fail ...a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:02:11 -0700+ From: "Dennis O'Connor" <dmoc@primenet.com>a Subject: Re: Itanium troublesc4 Message-ID: <a42e0d$ou4$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net>  ) "My Twocents" <my@twocents.com> wrote ...> > What do you think?  7 I think you're a cowardly anonymous crossposting troll..8 But I also think a lot of losers from the VMS group will( wind up taking the bait. They always do.  4 That IS why you crossposted to there, right, Troll ? --3 Dennis O'Connor                   dmoc@primenet.comk3 We don't become a rabid dog to destroy a rabid dog.| Follow-ups set.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:39:26 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e; Subject: Jack Welch: HP Rivals May Benefit From Compaq Deale2 Message-ID: <2d_88.12150$6lf1.5105@news2.bloor.is>  5 http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20020207S0006h    @ Interesting advice from the former chairman of General Electric.  ? Jack Welch: HP Rivals May Benefit From Compaq Deal Feb. 7, 2002e          G The former GE chairman says in a television interview with HP CEO Carly.J Fiorina that support for the deal among HP's competitors helps explain why7 European regulators had given the go-ahead to the plan..
 By Reuters      H NEW YORK - Former GE Chairman Jack Welch told Hewlett-Packard ChairwomanJ Carly Fiorina that he sees the potential for "chaos" surrounding HP's plan@ to acquire Compaq Computer Corp. that competitors would exploit.J Welch said in a television interview on Thursday with Fiorina that supportJ for the deal among HP's competitors helped explain why European regulatorsK had given the go-ahead to HP's proposed deal while rejecting GE's bid under  Welch to buy Honeywell.e  J "Your competitors want this deal to go through. It will create chaos. TheyG will clean both your clocks while you're doing all this. That's the onesK argument that rang a bell with me," Welch said, echoing an objection raised  by the deal's main opponent.  K HP's first bid to buy Compaq in September 2001. But the Hewlett and PackardaJ families, which together hold an 18.5 percent stake, are opposing the bid,' which is now worth about $22.7 billion.   I The legendary GE executive made the comments during an appearance on CNBC J financial television in which he sympathized with Fiorina in her battle toL win support for the deal even as he challenged her on the threat competitors% will pose should the deal go through.s  F He joined journalists of the GE TV unit in questioning Fiorina, who isI waging a battle with dissident shareholders, like the Hewlett and Packards# families, to push through the deal.?  K Opponents say the deal would saddle HP with a large, low-profit PC businessrB and dilute the value of its printing franchise, while HP interestsE supporting the deal say it will create high-end computer and servicesi powerhouse.I  H Fiorina responded to Welch by saying that this argument had been made byK competitors since shortly after the Compaq deal was announced in September.6G But she said these boasts had quieted as HP rivals have faced financialc pressures of their own.   J "When we announced this deal our competitors were very noisy about all theL business they are were going to take away from us," Fiorina said in the CNBC round-table interview.  G She also took issue with Welch's assertion that Hewlett competitors had J withheld their objection to the deal with European regulators in the hopesI it would go through and enable them to exploit the opportunities it wouldS create.o  H Fiorina suggested that Hewlett-Packard's diplomatic skills had succeededK where GE's had failed. "We didn't politicize it and we didn't publicize it.gL We stuck to the substance of the case," she said of the European competition authority review.c  L Behind the scenes European regulators turned aside complaints from HP rivalsL such as Germany's Fujitsu-Siemens. Less active in the regulatory debate wereL HP and Compaq's biggest rivals, including Dell Computer Corp., International2 Business Machines Corp., and Sun Microsystems Inc.  H But European Commission authorities noted afterward there had been fewerF complaints in the HP case, in contrast to the concerted campaign by GEJ rivals in the far more concentrated aircraft-engine market at issue in the Honeywell merger.4  K "You're a lot smarter than I am and you were able to do it more effectivelyoG than I could," Welch allowed, even as he argued that a basic differencew6 existed in the dynamics of the two regulatory battles.  < "My competitors killed me. They lived in Brussels," he said.  I Welch has been cited by Hewlett merger backers for his support of Fiorina I and her board against the challenge to the deal raised by outspoken boardm member Walter Hewlett.  K Mr. Hewlett, a son of one of the company's co-founders, first voted for the-A deal, then turned around and mounted a proxy battle to reject it.a  K Six weeks ago, in an interview with Business Week, he decried the dissidenteE board member's moves as an "unpardonable, it's a sin" -- and one that A panders to employee nostalgia for a return to earlier days at the  six-decade-old company.   F Hewlett-Packard has set March 19 as the date shareholders will vote to accept or reject the deal.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 01:02:29 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>8 Subject: Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links& Message-ID: <3C646715.4060306@home.nl>   Scumbag Adie wrote:.  M >Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<3C602F59.1090209@home.nl>...i >jJ >>If you use routers with 2 WAN connections each, both links will be used @ >>and load balancing will occur. This is normal for DNA routing.J >>With a bridging configuration things are different. Only if the bridges K >>(or brouters) ara capable to combine both links as if they are one, then tG >>bridging will also use both links. However if both links are seen as  I >>traditional bridging links (that means two links), one link wil always mI >>be shut down. The bridging spanning tree protocol only allows one link t, >>to any given point in the bridged network. >> >> >> >>Scumbag Adie wrote:r >> >>>Hi, >>>lG >>>I've got two VMS 6.1 Clusters (main/standby) connected via 2 2Mb WANnG >>>links can these be load balanced (DNA mainly used) using appropriate E >>>Router/Bridges (prefer bridging) or is this a function of the host- >>>s/w?- >>>-D >>>Host based volume shadowing is to be deployed across these links. >>>s >>>Thanks in advance >>>o >e > > >We are stuck with DNA IV which I believe doesn't support load2 >balancing (please correct me if this is rubbish). > F Like others wrote too, Phase IV has load balancing too. In fact it is A not load balancing. Decnet (phase IV or V) is a connnection-less UE protocol, which means that for every packet a route will be choosen.  I Packets may travel along different routes to their destination (if there nD are more routes of course). In your case you have two routes to the F destination, so both routes will be used if they have equal costs etc.   >  >l? >Do you know of any bridges that will do DNA IV load balancing?e >tE Unless you set up filters on the bridge, a bridge will transport any  G protocol. This can be an advantage, or a disadvantage depending on how aH many  protocols and your are using and what you want to achieve. So you K can't limit the bridge to PhaseIV, unless you set up filters (if possible). I What I wrote about combining both links is the only possibility I see if  H you want to use both links. I don't know if there is a product that can H do this, it has been to long since I was a network manager and knew the F possibilities of all products. I would imagine however there are such 	 products.n  E Personally I would go for the routing option, unless you have a very eE good reason for bridging. The routing will make sure only 'usesfull' s- trafic will go over the links, nothing else. c   >t >s >ThanksI >.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 20:35:47 -0800t( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: Merger to dull HP's crown jewel? So much for unix and VMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202082035.43242571@posting.google.com>o  Y "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<zrR88.1577$LL.420@news1.bloor.is>...EH > http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-8741588-0.html > 5 > The Starting Line: Merger to dull HP's crown jewel?  > 02/08/02 04:00 AM  > Source: News.com > URL:L > http://investor.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-8741588-0.html >  >  > Murky future?lN > Some observers have argued that the Internet eventually will reduce the needH > for printing, although that hasn't happened yet, said Ken Weilerstein,J > research director with Gartner Group. "Until we really have a paper-likeI > display technology, I don't think there's going to be a huge impact" onh > supply sales, he said. >   + I guess no one as heard of decforms yet ...o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:45:30 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>o4 Subject: Microsoft's Definition of Industry-Standard2 Message-ID: <NVV88.10091$X2.112490@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  A I've seen a lot of posts complaining that Compaq wants to move totJ Industry-Standard machines, but why complain? Microsoft itself has defined$ what industry-standard really means.  4 Here is Microsoft's definition of Industry-Standard;      January 1987:-    Introduction of the VAX 8978 and VAX 8974,:+    DIGITAL's most powerful systems to date,r+    offering up to 50 times the power of thei     industry-standard VAX-11/780.    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
 Taken fromE http://research.microsoft.com/users/gbell/Digital/timeline/32-bit.htmc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:54:47 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>s# Subject: Re: Microsoft's financialsc/ Message-ID: <AmU88.52$Jh4.426@news.cpqcorp.net>o  I John McLean wrote in message <3C640C73.DF4728FC@swissonline.delete.ch>...8 >.E >I suggest that anyone interested in this should check out the Motleyt >Fool article atC >http://www.fool.com/portfolios/rulemaker/2000/rulemaker000217.htm.  >l >The first two paragraphs are- > F >"Forget Windows 2000. As far as I can tell, the single most lucrativeC >product Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) sells is its own stock. MicrosoftaH >receives almost as much cash inflow from the stock market as it does by( >selling goods and services. Here's how: > G >"Basically, Microsoft receives cash by issuing employee stock options,vA >after which the company then receives billions of dollars in tax F >deductions from the IRS for doing so. Add in the warrants it sells onI >its own stock, and the company made over $5 billion off the stock markettG >last year (fiscal year ended July 1999), tax-free. For comparison, its.I >after-tax net income was only $7.8 billion. Microsoft may not be much in A >the programming department, but its accountants are impressive."  >  >-E >This article was written in year 2000 and I vaguely recall somethingrB >about a change of practice being called for.  Whether things have% >changed or not, I really don't know.9 >bH >What Microsoft is doing as regards bonuses paid as stock options may beB >legal it can be hell on employees.  Just ask those who worked forH >dot-coms and received stock options instead of real money and who found? >the options to be worthless after the dot-com became dot-bomb.5 >%I >IIRC the IRS are also rather unhappy about the scheme because they don'teH >get their cut of the value/amount when it is paid.  If the value of theI >option is $50 at the time of payment and the person gets 10,000 o fthem,iH >then the IRS would like its portion of that $50,000 rather than have to- >take a chance on MSFT stok going up or down.n >l  K I'd argue that 1) Microsoft is taking advantage of something legal -- if we L don't like it we can change the laws.  2) The employees have decided that itG is to their advantage to take options in lieu of better wages.  If theyaE don't like how MS does it, they can someplace where it is not  a hugelG component of compensation - say Compaq - I've yet to be able to cash in(H options to make any big bucks.  3) How you get $50,000 from a $50 optionI price and a 10,000 option count I don't know.  However, it is hard to say J *how* you "tax" the options, and who pays the tax.  The day of issue, mostK options are at the current price of the stock, so they are worthless to theiJ employee unless the stock goes up.  The company has given you the right toL buy stock, but not actually given you stock - it may never be exercised - myL options from DIGITAL expired before they ever were worth anything.  The onlyL way to tax them is to do it when the option is exercised, at which point youF would then want to tax the company on the grant price, not the currentK price.  The employee gets taxed on his gains when he subsequently sells theC# shares - which may be now or later.h  H It makes NO sense to tax options at the time they are issued.  Only when they are exercised.o  F >Microsoft's failure to pay a dividend has recently been reported.  InI >particular the report noted that not only do normal shareholders not getwD >any return but the IRS is not getting the tax that Mr Gates (et al)5 >would be required to pay under normal circumstances.. >v  H DIGITAL never paid dividends.  Nor do many, many companies.  There is noG requirement to do so.  If you don't like it, don't buy their stock - or 8 change the laws about corporations to require dividends.   That is, this is a BS argument.e   >l >further comments below ...w >  >n >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>C >> The bottom line on this is that Microsoft is taking advantage of 	 somethinglL >> quite legal, to in effect allow them to keep their employee salaries low.K >> The numbers quoted are for the most part - fantasy.  The problem is that  ifL >> the laws were changed to stop MS (and many others) from this practice, itI >> would not have the effect of having Microsoft increase the pay of it'sG  >> employees by the same amount. > G >And why is this a problem ?  The only people directly impacted by this ? >would be Microsoft having to pay higher money to retain staff.  >e  J I didn't say it was a problem.  I said the numbers being bandied about areK fantasy.  Microsoft is highly unlikely to increase employee compensation bycK the amount of money that employees have historically seen from the increaseuI in stock price when holding options.  So it would simply be a pay cut forpG most employees.  If the employees don't like it, then they could leave.   J But eliminating options as a form of retention and bonus would have a hugeL impact on the economy in ways that we can predict, and in ways we won't knowK until we do it.  Unintended consequences.  Unless you are planning a way to * only have this effect how MS does options.    L >> In any case, Microsoft may have decided to abuse the idea, but the use ofJ >> options to reward, and retain employees is very widespread.  Of course, theyB >> are only useful if the companies share price continues to grow. >>H >> But Bill Parish is way out there with the people who believe that the QueenaI >> of England and the Pope are part of a secret world order that runs thec( >> world.  Only substitute Bill and Tom. > G >It's nice to see that the ability of posters to this newsgroup to makewE >wild assertions without supporting evidence is still alive and well.d0 >And indeed is being practised by Compaq people. >o  C Go read his web site.  Something like the BillParishReport.com.  My.H conclusion was that he is a nut.  You can conclude otherwise.  You might also wear tinfoil on your head.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:17:23 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i# Subject: Re: Microsoft's financials , Message-ID: <3C642441.EAC13015@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > I'd argue that 1) Microsoft is taking advantage of something legal -- if we ' > don't like it we can change the laws.d  . And I bet Enron was doing something legal too.  M The issue is that the 1990s are over and Microsoft won't grow. The way MS waseM structured worked very well when it was growing. But will it continue to work8 now ?0  G The big issue Parish has is that when Microsoft was a geek company with:N employees willingly being paid with monopoly money, there was no "big picture"L issue. But once large investment funds and especially retirement funds startJ to invest mega money in Microsoft because Microsoft is protrayed as a blueM chip company, and then it is revealed that MS is built on shakey foundations,h a lot of people will be hurt.h   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 20:18:45 +0100 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> # Subject: Re: Microsoft's financialsa; Message-ID: <01KE1LCZCTT88ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>y  J > DIGITAL never paid dividends.  Nor do many, many companies.  There is noI > requirement to do so.  If you don't like it, don't buy their stock - ork: > change the laws about corporations to require dividends.  E As someone pointed out (here?) to me recently, it seems illogical to iG invest in stock which pays dividends.  The assumption is that the lack nD of dividend payments increases the share value by the corresponding G amount.  So, if you get a dividend, you get money.  If you don't get a  I dividend, then you get a corresponding increase in stock value.  You can aI STILL sell stock if you need the money (of course, if you get a dividend sC you could also spend it to buy stock).  Presumably, if you're rich oF enough to own stock, you wouldn't just spend the dividend, but invest D it.  However, if you invest it in anything but the same stock, then H presumably the reason is that it is a better investment---in which case 3 you should sell ALL your stock and invest it there.n  C I realise that this is just a first-order argument, that there are o: short-term and long-term investments which have different H characteristics, that some people are willing to take some risk etc etc.F The point is, however, that there is nothing obviously wrong with not I paying a dividend, since one can always sell the corresponding (increase l1 in) stock (value) if one needs the money instead.1  H Of course, people paying employees in risky stock options only works if < there are employees who prefer a risky option to real money.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:20:39 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: Microsoft's financialsm/ Message-ID: <QfY88.71$Jh4.501@news.cpqcorp.net>   = JF Mezei wrote in message <3C642441.EAC13015@videotron.ca>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:iK >> I'd argue that 1) Microsoft is taking advantage of something legal -- ifh we( >> don't like it we can change the laws. >s/ >And I bet Enron was doing something legal too.n >i  I From what I have heard in the news, they were engaged in fraud on a majord! scale.  People should go to jail.p  J >The issue is that the 1990s are over and Microsoft won't grow. The way MS wasaI >structured worked very well when it was growing. But will it continue toa work >now ? >p  H Maybe yes, and maybe no.  But if their stock does not increase in value,K then it will be more than just the employees who will vote with their feet.oK A company with no dividend, and no quarter to quarter increase in the valuerK of it's stock will soon be deserted by its investors - since it has no ROI.u  J What BillParish (c) wants is to force Microsoft into a position where theyG return their value not through growth in the value of the company (it's K stock price) but by distributing any profits.  To do that will have a majoruI impact on the capital markets - it's not just Microsoft... unless perhapsh/ they get it as a remedy in the Anti-Trust case.   H >The big issue Parish has is that when Microsoft was a geek company withF >employees willingly being paid with monopoly money, there was no "big picture"G >issue. But once large investment funds and especially retirement fundss starteK >to invest mega money in Microsoft because Microsoft is protrayed as a bluelA >chip company, and then it is revealed that MS is built on shakeyc foundations, >a lot of people will be hurt.  L BillParish (c) has multiple gripes.  He also believes that Paul Allen serves, part of a global conspiracy with Bill Gates.  L The employees are not being paid in monopoly money.  It has had *real* valueI for them.  Many employees have become millionaires.  The same can be saidfL for many early employees in many companies - DEC included.  What if I *want*H to work for a startup, and in lieu of a comparable salary to what I make8 now, will take options instead.  *I* am taking the risk.  G Microsoft didn't go out to the investment community and say "we're bluenH chip, invest in us".  The investment community has decided they are blueL chip.  And as long as their stock value increases - they are, they certainlyI have been for many years now.  Providing a dividend, pr eliminating stocklG options doesn't change this.  You *still* are risking the value of your 2 holdings if you have your money invested in stock.  I Perhaps what BillParish (c) *really* should be worrying about is the fact F that defined savings plans (401Ks, IRAs, etc) have nearly replaced theI traditional defined benefit pension plan in the US.  This has shifted theeI risk from the employer (and the government in some cases) to the employee:K for individual retirements.  My way of thinking is I don't *care* about the I risk of someone with enough cash to invest in the stock market - 20 years K ago a couple dozen millionaires would be taking a bath on Enron - however -0J ***against my will*** I no longer have a pension, and my retirement is nowK based in large part on how well I can manage a savings plan -- knowing that H investing in risk free iinvestments will NOT return me enough to live asJ well as my old pension would have.  In all likelyhood, I will have to work	 until 70.t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:25:46 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o# Subject: Re: Microsoft's financials / Message-ID: <CkY88.72$Jh4.501@news.cpqcorp.net>n  F There are multiple strategies in investment.  Some people want currentL income, a dividend provides this.  Just like you can buy zero coupon bonds -7 some investors want their money back in different ways.d  J You see (or used to see) people (with money) who were retired investing inK stable blue chip stocks that pay a dividend.  Effectively an annuity, taxedeH as regular income (because you are retired with little/no income).  SomeJ states, for example, will tax you on interest income over a certain amount@ (like NH, although *I* don't make enough money to test this ;-).       Phillip Helbig wrote in messagel2 <01KE1LCZCTT88ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>...K >> DIGITAL never paid dividends.  Nor do many, many companies.  There is noeJ >> requirement to do so.  If you don't like it, don't buy their stock - or; >> change the laws about corporations to require dividends.s > E >As someone pointed out (here?) to me recently, it seems illogical toiG >invest in stock which pays dividends.  The assumption is that the lackrD >of dividend payments increases the share value by the correspondingG >amount.  So, if you get a dividend, you get money.  If you don't get anI >dividend, then you get a corresponding increase in stock value.  You canaI >STILL sell stock if you need the money (of course, if you get a dividendhC >you could also spend it to buy stock).  Presumably, if you're richcF >enough to own stock, you wouldn't just spend the dividend, but investD >it.  However, if you invest it in anything but the same stock, thenH >presumably the reason is that it is a better investment---in which case4 >you should sell ALL your stock and invest it there. > C >I realise that this is just a first-order argument, that there arey: >short-term and long-term investments which have differentI >characteristics, that some people are willing to take some risk etc etc.cF >The point is, however, that there is nothing obviously wrong with notI >paying a dividend, since one can always sell the corresponding (increaseR2 >in) stock (value) if one needs the money instead. >dH >Of course, people paying employees in risky stock options only works if= >there are employees who prefer a risky option to real money.L   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:16:59 GMT-' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>i Subject: Re: Problem with smtp.n+ Message-ID: <3C642500.EC9CC405@pacbell.net>s  	 Jan-Erik, 8 Again I say, let's compare the config to one that works.
 Assuming the t 	TCPIP> show config smtp and the  	TCPIP> show serv/full smtphB were similar to the ones I posted, let's see if your device socket assignment looks similar:s   Mine:e TCPIP> sho dev=                             Port                       Remotee< Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host8   bg27        DGRAM       53       0  BIND             *8   bg28        STREAM      53       0  BIND             *   ...-8   bg34        DGRAM      111       0  PORTMAPPER       *   ...aB   bg2352      STREAM      23    2747  TELNET           192.168.1.38   bg2645      STREAM      80       0                   *8   bg2646      DGRAM    62983       0                   *8   bg3443      STREAM      25       0  SMTP             *   Then,n TCPIP> sho dev bg3443/full( Device_socket:  bg3443      Type: STREAM;                       LOCAL                          REMOTEJ;          Port:           25                               0 1          Host:  *                               *f       Service:  SMTPH                                                            RECEIVE       SEND@                                    Queued I/O                    0             0-@        Q0LEN         0             Socket buffer bytes           0             0l<        QLEN          0             Socket buffer quota       61440         61440s@        QLIMIT        5             Total buffer alloc            0             0C;        TIMEO         0             Total buffer limit      n 491520        491520@        ERROR         0             Buffer or I/O waits           0             0u@        OOBMARK       0             Buffer or I/O drops           0             0t=                                    I/O completed               3401             0@                                    Bytes transferred             0             0l     Options:  ACCEPT REUSEADRd   State:    PRIV   RCV Buff: None   SND Buff: None  E Do you see anything that looks strange or unusual compared to these ?        Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:e > , > Some new information on the smtp inssue... > 8 > The operator.log just have the (usual) messages like :9 > [First a restart of the smtp service, then a request tok > port 25 from localhost]l > < > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   7-FEB-2002 09:32:55.26  %%%%%%%%%%%( > > Message from user INTERnet on IRVINE' > > INTERnet ACP Deactivate SMTP Serverd > >m< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   7-FEB-2002 09:38:02.43  %%%%%%%%%%%( > > Message from user INTERnet on IRVINE% > > INTERnet ACP Activate SMTP Serverp > >c< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   7-FEB-2002 09:52:18.21  %%%%%%%%%%%( > > Message from user INTERnet on IRVINEK > > INTERnet ACP SMTP Accept Request from Host: 127.0.0.1        Port: 4419  > 6 > This request created the follwing entry in account :1 > [Note the "Start time" and the timestamp above]o >  > > NETWORK Process Terminationa > > ---------------------------5R > > Username:          TCPIP$SMTP        UIC:               [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$SMTP]S > > Account:           TCPIP             Finish time:        7-FEB-2002 09:58:20.580S > > Process ID:        00002D09          Start time:         7-FEB-2002 09:52:18.20eS > > Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0 00:06:02.37pS > > Terminal name:                       Processor time:              0 00:00:00.16-= > > Remote node addr:                    Priority:          8eD > > Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: 00108000D > > Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: 00000000 > > Remote full name:hD > > Queue entry:                         Final status code: 100020EC > > Queue name: 
 > > Job name: V > > Final status text: %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link > F > > Page faults:              535        Direct IO:                250F > > Page fault reads:          78        Buffered IO:              432F > > Peak working set:        5200        Volumes mounted:            0F > > Peak page file:        176848        Images executed:            4 > B > The LINKDISCON was probably from disconecting the telnet sessionE > where we did "telnet 127.0.0.1/port=25". It just hang and we had tot: > click the "connect" icon in VT emulator and login again. > = > And as I sad before, nothing in the RUN.LOG. Not even aftereH > defining TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG and TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_DEBUG, both to "1". > G > The file SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT do notx7 > exist. (Not on my reference (working) system either.)e > ) > Well, we are more or less stuck here...i >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.p   --     Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin @alphase.com 
 San Francisco    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 14:40:27 -0800s From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy)t  Subject: Question about Group ID= Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0202081440.2b36e465@posting.google.com>i   Hi:e  <   I am trying to port an Unix app to VMS and having a little trouble with getting group ID.  A   Basically, I want to know if there exist a similiar function in  OpenVMS like:   , struct group * getgrnam(const char* grpname)  H which returns either the gid or the group information (if it's possible ? at all, otherwise, no big deal) given the group name (or group eA identifier in VMS term???) I am a novice to openVMS and any help o are greatly appreciated.   P.S. this is my system:   
 $ cxx /ver, Compaq C++ V6.3-020 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1     Sammye   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 16:55:53 -0600a- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID3 Message-ID: <xjBjgjN83FvL@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  [ In article <2c0966c2.0202081440.2b36e465@posting.google.com>, hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy) writes:t > Hi:e > > >   I am trying to port an Unix app to VMS and having a little  > trouble with getting group ID. > C >   Basically, I want to know if there exist a similiar function inc > OpenVMS like:  > . > struct group * getgrnam(const char* grpname) > J > which returns either the gid or the group information (if it's possible A > at all, otherwise, no big deal) given the group name (or group wC > identifier in VMS term???) I am a novice to openVMS and any help a > are greatly appreciated.  @ The UIC group in VMS is unlike the Unix group concept, because a? VMS persona can only be associated with a single UIC group at a  time.i  F The characteristic closest to what you want would be a VMS identifier.D (There is technically something associated with the UIC group called- a group identifier, but you don't want that.)o  ? You can iteratively retrieve all the identifiers currently heldp1 by calls to SYS$FIND_HELD (after suitable setup).n  < On Alpha only, I believe there is also a way to do this with! the Persona system service calls..  B Or did you really mean the UIC group ?  The numeric representation$ of that is available via SYS$GETJPI.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:00:26 -0500b1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>t$ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID2 Message-ID: <3C64588A.1066F2CF@firstdbasource.com>  G Could we inquire as to what you want with the group ID, it does perform-5 a similar function but is not as simplistic as Unix.\0   look at:J >http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/5841/5841pro_contents_001.html  G  the sys$getpi(pid,"GRP") call will do what you want. but if this is  a D file attribute you are looking for then you will need to look at theG OpenVMS Record Management Services Reference Manual for determining theoH grp code.  But to make it work, I think you will need to find the grp ofD the executing process and the file to be acted up to make it work...   -- w   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comr Sr. Consultant     Sammy wrote: >  > Hi:l > > >   I am trying to port an Unix app to VMS and having a little  > trouble with getting group ID. > C >   Basically, I want to know if there exist a similiar function inf > OpenVMS like:f > . > struct group * getgrnam(const char* grpname) > I > which returns either the gid or the group information (if it's possibleu@ > at all, otherwise, no big deal) given the group name (or groupB > identifier in VMS term???) I am a novice to openVMS and any help > are greatly appreciated. >  > P.S. this is my system:- >  > $ cxx /ver. > Compaq C++ V6.3-020 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 >  > Sammyv   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 04:41:12 GMTo- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>-# Subject: Re: Queue & stock quandaryt* Message-ID: <3C64ABD1.8090009@qsl.network>   Peter Weaver wrote:r  5 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagea# > news:3C629A3D.7287BEA1@aaa.com...  > = >>Regarding VMS and JetForm, below is an answer from Accelio.o> >>Sad, it was a real nice product (and maybe still is on other >>plattforms). >>...  >> > E > That is very sad, JetForm on VMS could do magical things with laserLH > printers. I hope someone out there is trying to buy the rights to thisJ > product and remarket it (anybody from Process reading this????) or maybeJ > Rich should give them a call and see what he can offer them to bring the( > product back. Just wishful thinking...     Opps,e  H I never realized that when I was using JetForm that I could have gotten . an OpenVMS version.  I never bothered to look.  H So I copied the files up from the PC to the OpenVMS system and put them # in text libraries for the printers.n  H When I left the place, some of those forms were still in use generating  mission critical output.  F I did the same thing with graphics output from many other PC products.   -Johnd wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyn   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:29:10 -05005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ( Subject: Re: setting the record straight/ Message-ID: <OnY88.73$Jh4.576@news.cpqcorp.net>-  I John McLean wrote in message <3C64129D.7C2D075A@swissonline.delete.ch>...s >e >k >Bill Todd wrote:d >>C >> "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message., >> news:vfS88.38$Jh4.269@news.cpqcorp.net... >> > >... >> > >> > What's to discuss?  >>K >> A great deal less now than there should have been prior to the June 25thoJ >> announcement.  That's the point:  an undamaged Alpha until such time asJ >> Itanic's future was in a great deal less doubt *was* the obvious Plan B (and >> not just for VMS).  >> >d  K The Corporation has made the decision/gamble based on things I may not havesL insight into, that Itanium will succeed.  Cutting off Alpha now free's otherL resources and money.  The stuff already in the pipeline gets us to the pointI where Itanium is ready.  If they are wrong, then we all get burned.  Only  time will tell.     E >Instead we have two companies who are all at sea, and Carly has saideG >they have burned their boats.  What she didn't explicitly say was thats= >they are pinning their hopes on being rescued by the Itanic.t >l  C The quote was in relation to the MERGER not in relation to Itanium.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:50:10 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t( Subject: Re: setting the record straight, Message-ID: <3C64560C.7077B818@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:N > insight into, that Itanium will succeed.  Cutting off Alpha now free's other > resources and money.  L Since Compaq has not released/published/filed documents outlining the fiscalM benefits of its donation of Alpha and compilers to Intel, one cannot make anydN conclusions. This project may end up costing HP more than if it had kept AlphaL longer. And when you factor in the loss of customers due to uncertainty, the cost will be higher.    9 >  The stuff already in the pipeline gets us to the pointHK > where Itanium is ready.  If they are wrong, then we all get burned.  Only  > time will tell.y  H Only VMS gets burned. Tru64 is dead. And Tandem has MIPS it can rely on.C Windows doesn't care because its prime platform is not in jeoperdy.o  E > The quote was in relation to the MERGER not in relation to Itanium.*  N The problem is that from customer's point of view, it is very evident that theD Alpha murder was done as part of the marger. Capellas was way beyondK negotiating the demise of Compaq on June25, they were deciding all sorts of.K integration issues and job assignments. So the alphacide was done with fullh9 knowledge that Compaq would cease to exist within a year.b   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 12:29:35 -0800 . From: hemingway_n@hotmail.com (Neil Hemingway)6 Subject: Showing definitions in LNM$_PROCESS_DIRECTORY= Message-ID: <4c5b7963.0202081229.77beaaee@posting.google.com>o  C We run multi-process server applications.  With a limited number ofIF machines, we have to run several instances of each application on someE of the machines.  In order to configure them independently, we define F LNM$FILE_DEV in each application's LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY to force them= to use different databases etc.  We have one instance that isnF misbehaving, and indicating that it cannot find a logical definition. E I have checked that the relevant definition is in the table where theaE application _should_ be looking.  My next check would be to make sure A that the server process in question is actually using the correcti@ table - i.e. that it has the correct definition of LNM$FILE_DEV.  C I know that I can clue process/logical in SDA and this will show me,E the process logicals for the process, but how can I show the process'aE LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY definitions?  (We are running 7.1-1H1, about to@ upgrade to 7.2)o   Neil Hemingway. (neil dot hemingway at barclays dot co dot uk)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:20:32 +0100e From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.1 eco 3 memory leaks& Message-ID: <3C644F30.2080709@home.nl>  & --------------060709030701090305030503; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowede Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bits  H Just to be absolutely clear. Do you mean 10000 BG sockets in use at the D same time, or do you mean that the BG socket number rolls over from G BG9999 to for instance BG200 again ? The latter is quite normal, and I  ) never experienced any problems with that.t     labadie wrote:   >  >Dirk Munk wrote:s >l@ >>If you experience problems with TCPIP 5.1 eco 3 , like slugishJ >>performance and "process quota exeeded" messages, then please be advisedF >>that there are memory leak problems with this version. I noticed theJ >>trouble with CSWS, FTP and POP,  and our friendly software engineer gave@ >>me some patches that resolved the problem on my hobby machine. >> >w3 >I would tend to disagree that a message similar tor) >system-f-exquota, process quota exceeded ; >is specifically seen after applying the Eco 3 of Tcpip 5.1nK >I used to bench a Wasd server, and was able to get this when I reached thenJ >limit of 10 000 Bg device_sockets, with Tcpip 5.0 a ECO3, Tcpip 5.1 eco 1 >and Tcpip 5.1 Eco 3 >To check it, do >ana/sys >sda> tcpip sh inetcb/stat+ >just after having met this exquota messages@ >if you see 2710 (hexa, so 10 000) or very near in the number of >device_socket >you have met this problem >s >Regards >p >Grard  >     & --------------060709030701090305030503) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bita   <html> <head> </head>r <body>L Just to be absolutely clear. Do you mean 10000 BG sockets in use at the sameH time, or do you mean that the BG socket number rolls over from BG9999 toN for instance BG200 again ? The latter is quite normal, and I never experienced any problems with that.<br>  <br> <br> labadie wrote:<br>@ <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3C604D49.9999F59B@wanadoo.fr">1   <pre wrap=""><br>Dirk Munk wrote:<br><br></pre>y   <blockquote type="cite">{    <pre wrap="">If you experience problems with TCPIP 5.1 eco 3 , like slugish<br>performance and "process quota exeeded" messages, then please be advised<br>that there are memory leak problems with this version. I noticed the<br>trouble with CSWS, FTP and POP,  and our friendly software engineer gave<br>me some patches that resolved the problem on my hobby machine.<br></pre>h     </blockquote>r     <pre wrap=""><!----><br>I would tend to disagree that a message similar to<br>system-f-exquota, process quota exceeded<br>is specifically seen after applying the Eco 3 of Tcpip 5.1<br>I used to bench a Wasd server, and was able to get this when I reached the<br>limit of 10 000 Bg device_sockets, with Tcpip 5.0 a ECO3, Tcpip 5.1 eco 1<br>and Tcpip 5.1 Eco 3<br>To check it, do<br>ana/sys<br>sda&gt; tcpip sh inetcb/stat<br>just after having met this exquota message<br>if you see 2710 (hexa, so 10 000) or vy ery near in the number of<br>device_socket<br>you have met this problem<br><br>Regards<br><br>G&eacute;rard<br><br></pre>      </blockquote>      <br>     </body>      </html>   ( --------------060709030701090305030503--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:26:19 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.1 eco 3 memory leaks& Message-ID: <3C64508B.8000807@home.nl>  & --------------0904030200010802000901069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   H I can, but the images are not publicaly available. You will have to ask  Compaq to get them.   = They are the TCPIP$BGDRIVER.EXE, TCPIP$INETACP.EXE,  and the   TCPIP$INTERNET_SERVICES.EXE.    They all have version V5.1-15AI.       Jeff Goodwin wrote:5  J >Could you be a little more specific in regards to the image filenames and? >their matching ident versions that you got to fix your issues?0 >  >-Jeff >  >Dirk Munk wrote:  >f@ >>If you experience problems with TCPIP 5.1 eco 3 , like slugishJ >>performance and "process quota exeeded" messages, then please be advisedF >>that there are memory leak problems with this version. I noticed theJ >>trouble with CSWS, FTP and POP,  and our friendly software engineer gave@ >>me some patches that resolved the problem on my hobby machine. >> >e    & --------------090403020001080200090106) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito   <html> <head> </head>a <body>N I can, but the images are not publicaly available. You will have to ask Compaq to get them.<br> <br>b They are the TCPIP$BGDRIVER.EXE, TCPIP$INETACP.EXE, &nbsp;and the TCPIP$INTERNET_SERVICES.EXE.<br> <br>$ They all have version V5.1-15AI.<br> <br> <br> <br> Jeff Goodwin wrote:<br>AB <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3C6078F2.A2910A7B@maine.rr.com">   <pre wrap="">Could you be a little more specific in regards to the image filenames and<br>their matching ident versions that you got to fix your issues?<br><br>-Jeff<br><br>Dirk Munk wrote:<br><br></pre>t   <blockquote type="cite">{    <pre wrap="">If you experience problems with TCPIP 5.1 eco 3 , like slugish<br>performance and "process quota exeeded" messages, then please be advised<br>that there are memory leak problems with this version. I noticed the<br>trouble with CSWS, FTP and POP,  and our friendly software engineer gave<br>me some patches that resolved the problem on my hobby machine.<br></pre>e     </blockquote> "     <pre wrap=""><!----><br></pre>     </blockquote>S     <br>     </body>B     </html>8  ( --------------090403020001080200090106--   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 20:30:17 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.1 eco 3 memory leaks= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202082030.730e8947@posting.google.com>   L Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<3C6030D0.4010008@home.nl>...A > If you experience problems with TCPIP 5.1 eco 3 , like slugish uK > performance and "process quota exeeded" messages, then please be advised eG > that there are memory leak problems with this version. I noticed the pK > trouble with CSWS, FTP and POP,  and our friendly software engineer gave  @ > me some patches that resolved the problem on my hobby machine.  E if you would use TCPware, you wouldn't have any of these problems ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:08:32 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>I Subject: Re: The Vision Thingt, Message-ID: <3C64222F.C8105FCB@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:L > A company committed to Alpha would have happily continued to pay the Gates$ > royalty for that kind of exposure.  J Had Compaq been commited to Alpha, I suspect that Gates would have happilyC funded Windows on Alpha because of the potential of Alpga to becomePM mainstream. But as soon as it became clear that the new owner of Alpha wasn'trL interested in leveraging its potential, then it is very reasonable to expect# Microsoft to drop the ball on this.V   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:20:24 -0500-- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>   Subject: Re: There must be a way( Message-ID: <3C6432FD.7F8E94DE@ohio.edu>  ? The original post hasn't shown up on my newsserver yet, so I am  responding to a response.U  C You can partition VMS drives using the VMS host-based RAID software ? ("HBR").  Whether this is a good idea is another issue.  I have G typically used rooted logicals as was suggested.  I have also used HBR,eG when I needed to have a smaller allocation unit than would otherwise be F available.  That reason is of course gone with modern versions of VMS.   					RDP    3 "bgInc. - You'll go where we want you to go" wrote:r >  > Bob Koehler wrote: > >tQ > > In article <3C56EA88.1032E346@lbl.gov>, Jerry Tunis <mjtunis@lbl.gov> writes:-L > > > I have 3 old 380mb scsi drives (DUA0-2) on a small MicroVax cluster. IJ > > > want to retire these drives and replace them with a new big drive byL > > > creating 3 partitions on it. Can one partition a VMS drive in a system= > > > running VAX/VMS version V5.5-2? There must be some way.s > > L > >    There is no way to use partitions within VMS.  VMS does not aprtition
 > >    disks.i > >oL > >    You can, however use rooted logical names to make it look like you'veL > >    got three separate trees on three disks even though they are actuallyH > >    on one disk.  Replace new, old1, odl2, old3 below with the proper$ > >    logical names for your disks: > >hG > >    1) on the new disk, create directories for each of the three oldp > >       disks: > > # > >          $create/dir new:[old0]r# > >          $create/dir new:[old1]o# > >          $create/dir new:[old2]y > >sK > >    2) copy the trees from each of the old disks to the new directories:t > >t= > >          $backup old0:[*...] new:[old0...]/owner=originale= > >          $backup old1:[*...] new:[old1...]/owner=original = > >          $backup old2:[*...] new:[old2...]/owner=originalt > >eE > >    3) remove the three old disks, and define three logical names:u > > H > >          $define/system/executive/translation=(concealed,terminal) -  > >             old0 new:[old0.]H > >          $define/system/executive/translation=(concealed,terminal) -  > >             old1 new:[old1.]H > >          $define/system/executive/translation=(concealed,terminal) -  > >             old2 new:[old2.] > >cF > >    Now it looks like you've still got an old0, old1, and old2, butF > >    they're all actually using new.  That is the following commandsI > >    will provide the same result before and after, substitue an actualU% > >    directory on old0 for somedir:. > >q > E > Alternatively you could use Glenn Everhart's VDDRIVER to create the" > illusion of multipleH > physical disks using container files on the actual disk. Sorry if this > has already been > mentioned... >  > -Tom O'Toole > -tom@globalauctions.comm   -- hB ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:35:35 -0500 From: William_Bochnik@acml.com  Subject: Re: There must be a way> Message-ID: <OF575B2975.76C007B2-ON85256B5A.007112F7@acml.com>  = use logicals.  If you are afraid of disk usage, use quotas as  well.e        ' |---------+---------------------------> ' |         |           "Richard D.     |i' |         |           Piccard"        | ' |         |           <piccard@ohio.ed|t' |         |           u>              |r' |         |                           | ' |         |           02/08/2002 03:20|o' |         |           PM              |-' |         |           Please respond  |,' |         |           to "Richard D.  |.' |         |           Piccard"        |:' |         |           <piccard@ohio.ed| ' |         |           u>              |e' |         |                           |a' |---------+--------------------------->9c   >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|ic   |                                                                                               |yc   |               To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                                                      |ic   |               cc:                                                                             |yc   |        Subject: Re: There must be a way                                                       |wc   >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|t        ? The original post hasn't shown up on my newsserver yet, so I ami responding to a response.p  : You can partition VMS drives using the VMS host-based RAID software? ("HBR").  Whether this is a good idea is another issue.  I haven= typically used rooted logicals as was suggested.  I have alsoi	 used HBR,r: when I needed to have a smaller allocation unit than would otherwise beA available.  That reason is of course gone with modern versions of7 VMS.  !                               RDPn    3 "bgInc. - You'll go where we want you to go" wrote:  >a > Bob Koehler wrote: > >$7 > > In article <3C56EA88.1032E346@lbl.gov>, Jerry Tunise <mjtunis@lbl.gov> writes:lA > > > I have 3 old 380mb scsi drives (DUA0-2) on a small MicroVaxo
 cluster. IA > > > want to retire these drives and replace them with a new bign drive by@ > > > creating 3 partitions on it. Can one partition a VMS drive in a systemn= > > > running VAX/VMS version V5.5-2? There must be some way.u > >n> > >    There is no way to use partitions within VMS.  VMS does
 not aprtitione
 > >    disks.  > >l@ > >    You can, however use rooted logical names to make it look like you've ? > >    got three separate trees on three disks even though theyt are actuallyA > >    on one disk.  Replace new, old1, odl2, old3 below with theh proper$ > >    logical names for your disks: > >p= > >    1) on the new disk, create directories for each of thea	 three oldh > >       disks: > >O# > >          $create/dir new:[old0]w# > >          $create/dir new:[old1]e# > >          $create/dir new:[old2]r > >h> > >    2) copy the trees from each of the old disks to the new directories: > > = > >          $backup old0:[*...] new:[old0...]/owner=originalo= > >          $backup old1:[*...] new:[old1...]/owner=original-= > >          $backup old2:[*...] new:[old2...]/owner=original  > >z> > >    3) remove the three old disks, and define three logical names: > > 1 > >          $define/system/executive/translationd =(concealed,terminal) -i  > >             old0 new:[old0.]1 > >          $define/system/executive/translation  =(concealed,terminal) -q  > >             old1 new:[old1.]1 > >          $define/system/executive/translationa =(concealed,terminal) -r  > >             old2 new:[old2.] > >u< > >    Now it looks like you've still got an old0, old1, and	 old2, but = > >    they're all actually using new.  That is the followinge commands? > >    will provide the same result before and after, substituee	 an actual % > >    directory on old0 for somedir:I > >y >eA > Alternatively you could use Glenn Everhart's VDDRIVER to createV thet > illusion of multiple@ > physical disks using container files on the actual disk. Sorry if thise > has already been > mentioned... >  > -Tom O'Toole > -tom@globalauctions.comr   --B ==================================================================: Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology Managerr9 piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computerp Services7 http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohioa
 University          F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may containa@ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedY= recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for deliveringo3 this message to the intended recipient, any review, @ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroyL# all copies of the original message.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:34:01 +0000a% From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.com>i# Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMS B Message-ID: <1013196929.11543.0.nnrp-13.9e98bc8a@news.demon.co.uk>  ' > From: arobert@mfs.com (Andrew Robert)  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms % > Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMSh! > Date: 4 Feb 2002 10:21:42 -0800s >e > Hi everyone, >  >  > Just an FYI, > C > I was able to get Veritas NetBackup client for VMS v3.2 and patch $ > v3.4GA installed without incident. > 4 > The problem now to get the thing to backup a disk. > G > My Unix Admin added a test class called "Test_VMS", a schedule calledy* > "full" and a client type of Sun Solaris. > 6 > When I attempt a manual backup, I get the following: > F > $ NBU BACKUP/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000]USER1.BAK /LOG $ > /CLASS="Test_VMS" /SCHEDULE="Full"; > %NBU-I-CONNECT, connect from SPEEDY (xxx.xx.xx.xxx, 1023)5= > %NBU-I-CONNECT, connected to NBMASTER (xxx.xx.xx.xx, 13720)eF > %NBU-E-STATUS, no schedules of the correct type exist in this class. > - > Does anyone have any idea what is going on?o > 
 > Thanks,  > Andrew Robertn > Principal Systems Analyst9* > Enterprise Technology Services - OpenVMS" > Massachusetts Financial Services > E-mail: arobert@mfs.comt >        Andrew,t  4 In general, the NBU VMS client is not case sesitive.6 That is, if a backup or restore command line is typed 7 in uppercase characters, that command will perform the v9 same action as the same command line, typed in lowercase o characters.t  6 Class, schedule, and host names can be typed in either4 upper or lowercase characters, but these are always 5 converted to lowercase when being sent to the server. 5 Therefore, you should specify these in all lowercase t characters on the server.   - A lowercase "full" matches the servers "full" = A lowercase "test_vms" does not match the servers "Test_VMS"    7 That is the error, the error message is from the servers not the client.a  : However, there is no need to specify a class or a schedule< from the client. If you create a User Backup Scedhule on theD server, as outlined in section "6.2 Creating a User Backup Schedule"B of the VMS client user guide, you can initiate full or incremental) backups from the VMS client. For example:-  K $ NBU BACKUP/FULL/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000...]USER1.BAK /LOG-   will perform a full backup, and   O $ NBU BACKUP/INCREMENTAL/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000]USER1.BAK /LOG   # will perform an incremental backup.n  - The VMS Client User Guide is available from:-   I ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMSe     user_guide.pdf  < The up coming 3.4.1 VMS client releases, which provide full ? ODS-5 file system support, will handle VMS file specifications <C case sensitively if the system 'parse_style' is set to 'extended'. p     Alan Fay! NBU VMS Client Software Developer5 VERITAS Software (Engineering)  n& VERITAS Software Corporation (UK) Ltd. VERITAS Park, Bittams Lane Guildford Road, Chertsey Surrey KT16 9RGs United Kingdom   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:21:50 +0000e% From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.com>d# Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMS<B Message-ID: <1013200183.19326.0.nnrp-14.9e98bc8a@news.demon.co.uk>  ' > From: arobert@mfs.com (Andrew Robert)y > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmst% > Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMSr! > Date: 4 Feb 2002 10:21:42 -0800> >s > Hi everyone, >  >  > Just an FYI, > C > I was able to get Veritas NetBackup client for VMS v3.2 and patch $ > v3.4GA installed without incident. > 4 > The problem now to get the thing to backup a disk. > G > My Unix Admin added a test class called "Test_VMS", a schedule calledu* > "full" and a client type of Sun Solaris. > 6 > When I attempt a manual backup, I get the following: > F > $ NBU BACKUP/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000]USER1.BAK /LOG $ > /CLASS="Test_VMS" /SCHEDULE="Full"; > %NBU-I-CONNECT, connect from SPEEDY (xxx.xx.xx.xxx, 1023)-= > %NBU-I-CONNECT, connected to NBMASTER (xxx.xx.xx.xx, 13720)iF > %NBU-E-STATUS, no schedules of the correct type exist in this class. > - > Does anyone have any idea what is going on?- > 
 > Thanks,  > Andrew Robert- > Principal Systems Analysta* > Enterprise Technology Services - OpenVMS" > Massachusetts Financial Services > E-mail: arobert@mfs.com. >        Andrew,s  4 In general, the NBU VMS client is not case sesitive.6 That is, if a backup or restore command line is typed 7 in uppercase characters, that command will perform the G9 same action as the same command line, typed in lowercase e characters.i  6 Class, schedule, and host names can be typed in either4 upper or lowercase characters, but these are always 5 converted to lowercase when being sent to the server..5 Therefore, you should specify these in all lowercase a characters on the server.e  - A lowercase "full" matches the servers "full"l= A lowercase "test_vms" does not match the servers "Test_VMS" a  7 That is the error, the error message is from the server  not the client.l  : However, there is no need to specify a class or a schedule< from the client. If you create a User Backup Scedhule on theD server, as outlined in section "6.2 Creating a User Backup Schedule"B of the VMS client user guide, you can initiate full or incremental) backups from the VMS client. For example:>  K $ NBU BACKUP/FULL/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000...]USER1.BAK /LOGN   will perform a full backup, andl  O $ NBU BACKUP/INCREMENTAL/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000]USER1.BAK /LOGt  # will perform an incremental backup.7  - The VMS Client User Guide is available from:-i  I ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMSe     user_guide.pdf  < The up coming 3.4.1 VMS client releases, which provide full ? ODS-5 file system support, will handle VMS file specifications  C case sensitively if the system 'parse_style' is set to 'extended'. e     Alan Fay! NBU VMS Client Software Developere VERITAS Software (Engineering)  y& VERITAS Software Corporation (UK) Ltd. VERITAS Park, Bittams Lane Guildford Road, Chertsey Surrey KT16 9RGn United Kingdom   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:25:21 +0000 % From: Alan Fay <alan.fay@veritas.com>-' Subject: Re: Veritas NBU Client for VMS>A Message-ID: <1013206995.4304.0.nnrp-12.9e98bc8a@news.demon.co.uk>1  ' > From: arobert@mfs.com (Andrew Robert)a > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms0% > Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMSl! > Date: 4 Feb 2002 10:21:42 -0800  >o > Hi everyone, >  >  > Just an FYI, > C > I was able to get Veritas NetBackup client for VMS v3.2 and patchs$ > v3.4GA installed without incident. > 4 > The problem now to get the thing to backup a disk. > G > My Unix Admin added a test class called "Test_VMS", a schedule callede* > "full" and a client type of Sun Solaris. > 6 > When I attempt a manual backup, I get the following: > F > $ NBU BACKUP/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000]USER1.BAK /LOG $ > /CLASS="Test_VMS" /SCHEDULE="Full"; > %NBU-I-CONNECT, connect from SPEEDY (xxx.xx.xx.xxx, 1023) = > %NBU-I-CONNECT, connected to NBMASTER (xxx.xx.xx.xx, 13720)eF > %NBU-E-STATUS, no schedules of the correct type exist in this class. > - > Does anyone have any idea what is going on?- > 
 > Thanks,  > Andrew Robertc > Principal Systems Analysto* > Enterprise Technology Services - OpenVMS" > Massachusetts Financial Services > E-mail: arobert@mfs.com. >        Andrew,   4 In general, the NBU VMS client is not case sesitive.6 That is, if a backup or restore command line is typed 7 in uppercase characters, that command will perform the e9 same action as the same command line, typed in lowercase a characters.n  6 Class, schedule, and host names can be typed in either4 upper or lowercase characters, but these are always 5 converted to lowercase when being sent to the server.c5 Therefore, you should specify these in all lowercase e characters on the server.   - A lowercase "full" matches the servers "full" = A lowercase "test_vms" does not match the servers "Test_VMS"    7 That is the error, the error message is from the servers not the client.w  : However, there is no need to specify a class or a schedule< from the client. If you create a User Backup Scedhule on theD server, as outlined in section "6.2 Creating a User Backup Schedule"B of the VMS client user guide, you can initiate full or incremental) backups from the VMS client. For example:   K $ NBU BACKUP/FULL/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000...]USER1.BAK /LOG:   will perform a full backup, and3  O $ NBU BACKUP/INCREMENTAL/IGNORE=(INTER,NOBACKUP) BACKUP1:[000000]USER1.BAK /LOGs  # will perform an incremental backup.l  - The VMS Client User Guide is available from:-e  I ftp://ftp.emea.support.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMSe     user_guide.pdf  < The up coming 3.4.1 VMS client releases, which provide full ? ODS-5 file system support, will handle VMS file specifications tC case sensitively if the system 'parse_style' is set to 'extended'. n     Alan Fay! NBU VMS Client Software Developerk VERITAS Software (Engineering)  r& VERITAS Software Corporation (UK) Ltd. VERITAS Park, Bittams Lane Guildford Road, Chertsey Surrey KT16 9RGw United Kingdom   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:40:34 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>5 Subject: Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaignl2 Message-ID: <a41gho$l9k$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  F Anyone know Cowboy Bebop, the anime?  Spike hovering over Ed while sheG tries to break into a system on the net, realizes its OpenVMS and falls*5 over backwards crying "NONONONONO!  Ed can't get in!"p  F Reprise the cast of that insipid Hackers movie; group of hacker kiddyzE having a hack party at someone's place, ready to break into a companydB system they've been in dozens of times before, only to be blocked.C And blocked, and blocked.  Segue to a computer room, show the brandlF sparkly new Alphaserver with a graphic display that states "OpenVMS...H Authorized users only" next to a rack of disconnected 'other' equipment.  B WILLIAM WEBB wrote in message <0033000051831288000002L082*@MHS>...  - Ahhhnold [Schwarzenegger] would be a natural.u   "VMS systems from Compaq.a Even I can't break in to them."a   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe( Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 10:24 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET5 Subject: RE: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaignh    D Remember the Amex commercials, where an athlete/actor/Olympian wouldE talk about 'nobody knew who I was' the displayed their AmEx card as aTH solution?  I think a variation on that (with the right person, or voice)< for VMS would be effective.  No Rodney Dangerfield though...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:08:02 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")5 Subject: Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign-8 Message-ID: <00A0943A.DDBE9E41@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  w In article <01KE1DJNIWRC8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: G >> Remember the Amex commercials, where an athlete/actor/Olympian would H >> talk about 'nobody knew who I was' the displayed their AmEx card as aK >> solution?  I think a variation on that (with the right person, or voice) ? >> for VMS would be effective.  No Rodney Dangerfield though...  > F >Maybe Eddie Murphy, with a reference to his routine referring to his F >accident with fire.  Of course God didn't want to hurt Eddie Murphy, + >just like God doesn't want VMS to be hurt.i >rB >Does anyone actually remember this sketch?  (No summary since it G >probably wouldn't make it to those readers sitting behind NetNanny or   >whatever.  :-)  )  ( Are you maybe thinking of Richard Pryor?   -- Alan9    O ===============================================================================-0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Feb 2002 23:53:48 GMTb) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) 5 Subject: Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign-' Message-ID: <a41oec$stb$1@joe.rice.edu>-  ) Nic Clews (sendspamhere@127.0.0.1) wrote:l : Jerry Leslie wrote:n : > F : > VMS has been called the "Rodney Dangerfield" of operating systems,3 : > because it doesn't get the respect it deserves." :" : Who's Rodney Dangerfield?e  8 An American comedian and actor, who's trademark line is:     "I don't get no respect"    See his home page for more info:      http://www.rodney.com/h  F Most of his roles have been in comedy films, like "Caddyshack" but he B has had one serious role in Oliver Stone's "Natural Born Killers".  C One possible VMS commercial is Rodney talking to an audience in hisrE club, when a pager goes off, and a Windows sysadmin goes running out.m   Rodney's response:    H   "Like me, VMS used to not get the respect it deserved, but people now 4    understand the cost of their servers being down".    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:43:03 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>y( Subject: Walter Hewlett's No Merger site/ Message-ID: <X_U88.1706$LL.1609@news1.bloor.is>    http://www.votenohpcompaq.com/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.077 ************************