0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 09 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 78      Contents:! Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there  Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ)O BT must get their act together - was:The stupidity of granting software patents 7 Re: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible? D Re: Capellas redefines Industry Standard to mean Windows *and* Linux/ Re: Capellas wants IBM model, but does reverse! 0 Re: channels and socket descriptors interchange?* Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screenC Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one C Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one C Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one 1 DEClaser 2250 (LN06) - Toner not being deposited. " DIR cache and DIR's > 127 blocks ?% Re: emacs21 working a little bit more % Re: emacs21 working a little bit more " Re: Error when using "convert/fdl"" Re: Error when using "convert/fdl"# Re: How to upgrade Miata (PWS 433a) / Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links ( Re: Making bootable images from VMS disk Shadowed system disk and DOSD." Re: Shadowed system disk and DOSD." Re: Shadowed system disk and DOSD." Re: Shadowed system disk and DOSD.. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents Re: Veritas Client for VMS VMS Patch list.  Re: VMS Patch list.  Re: VMS Patch list.  Re: VMS Patch list.  Re: VMS Patch list. , Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad CampaignH Re: VMS usage in UK hospitals, was: Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium VPN clients  Re: VPN clients   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:03:02 +0100  From: "B. Eckstein" <be@cli.de> * Subject: Re: Any RRD43 CD Drives out there% Message-ID: <3C652C16.7060404@cli.de>    Mark W J Redding wrote: ] > Having just purchased my hobbyist CD for my VAXSstation 4000 VLC I've borrowed a PLEXTOR CD       B Last Year I changed some of my CD-ROMs. Plextor had some Problems,G not always, but it wasn't stable. Quite fine are Thoshis and Pionieers. 0 All were tested on mv3180, 3190, 3130 and HSD10.       --    B.Eckstein, - mailto:be@epost.de5 FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchn    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:05:53 +0100) From: "Jakob Erber" <erber@tiscalinet.ch> ' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) - Message-ID: <3c654a2a$1_2@news.tiscalinet.ch>   " Thanks for this interesting reply.J Would it be possible to give a brief outline, how you configured the MQ toD get a maximum of data reliabiliy? How for example do you protect theJ recoverable message system from a disk crash? Is disk mirroring sufficient here?    best regards   Jakob     > Mike Kier <michael.kier@compaq.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:$ lyS88.41$Jh4.232@news.cpqcorp.net...H > We use MessageQ extensively on the Indiana Toll Road.  It connects theJ > Windows/NT touch screen PCs (Visual Basic) in the lanes with the OpenVMSK > Alphas (Fortran 95) in the Toll Plaza building and they in turn use it to I > connect with the OpenVMS Alphas at the Toll Road Administration Center. L > We've been using it for over five years and have never lost a transaction.! > We run over TCP/IP Services V5.  > H > I also know of a large aluminum rolling mill that uses it extensively. > -- > Mike Kier  > Compaq Professional Services > Cincinnati, OH, USA  > michael.kier@compaq.com  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:23:11 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> X Subject: BT must get their act together - was:The stupidity of granting software patents4 Message-ID: <VA.00000530.17ee1811@bluewin.delete.ch>  H In article <3C640D31.1E38747C@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:P > > > Of course it can.  In the US you can sue for anything.  or have we alreadyQ > > > forgotten the psychic who sued a hospital for loss of psychic ability after N > > > a medical CAT scan.  She won and was awarded several million dollars forB > > > the loss of something who's existence has never been proven. > > N > > I had never heard that one. That one is much better than the lady who sued% > > McDonalds for serving hot coffee.  > > H > > However, in this case, we're talking about a reputable serious large2 > > international corporation (BT), not some kook. > G > From what I have heard, a very large number of UK residents may think J > that you are using the word "reputable" in rather different way to their& > general understanding of the word... > @ And to back that one up, one of the major decisons in my youngerB brother's last house purchase was to choose an area where he couldH escape the clutches of BT. I am _not_ joking here - his wife is a familyI doctor who _needs_ a reliable phone service for the sake of her patients.   I In their previous house BT told here that she got no priority as a doctor C for getting the phone connected... Life or death? BT gets to choose 
 apparently...  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:09:46 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> @ Subject: Re: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible?5 Message-ID: <3C64F56A.D4D10F9@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   C I go to Abacus for my second user kit.  They're in Wargrave, on the F outskirts of Reading.  I've no connection with them other than being aH very satisfied customer over a number of years (starting with memory andG disks for VS3100 model 30s that I bought for one of my past employers).   D www.abacus-computing.com  (although this site does require shockwave; plugin which makes it difficult with VMS-based browsers...)   
 0118 940 3111   E Phil Dombey is the boss, but any of his staff should be able to help.    Steve.   Chris Bardell wrote: >  > Herb,  > > > http://www.dectech.co.uk/ - but site appears down at the mo. >  > Paul Turner. 01483 812155. > V > No connection with me, except he once bought a bunch of VLCs off a site I worked at. >  > HTH.   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:00:20 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> M Subject: Re: Capellas redefines Industry Standard to mean Windows *and* Linux 6 Message-ID: <3C650144.57C4C3B5@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  D A year or three ago, I asked Jesse Lipcon how Windows boxes could beC Industry Standard systems, given that the operating environment was H proprietary and the hardware was not standard.  His explanation was that; Windows has the highest market share so it is the standard.   B Sometimes (most times) I find the computing industry so stupid....   Steve.     Alan Greig wrote:  > C > In the financial conference Capellas has just said (I paraphrase) H > "there is absolutely no question that industry standard systems (slideA > defines this as Windows and Linux) are eviscerating proprietary 2 > systems. The era of proprietary systems is over" > " > Better open source VMS now then. > H > Interestingly Capellas seems to be defining Windows as non proprietary' > again. Someone should tell Microsoft.  > -- > Alan   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:24:52 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> 8 Subject: Re: Capellas wants IBM model, but does reverse!6 Message-ID: <3C64F8F4.7E92483E@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  E I did hear a scurrilous story that a company in the UK was looking at C outsourcing and had IBM people on-site to demonstrate how well they + could manage IT services as the outsourcer.   H One lunchtime, the network collapsed.  Connectivity between desktops and servers failed big time.  G Where were the IBM techies?  As the problems started it is alleged that H they went off to lunch in the pub across the road and they only appearedC back when the problem was sorted and the network was back up again.   + IBM didn't get the outsourcing contract....    Steve.     Paul Repacholi wrote:  > , > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > H > > What makes IBM profitable?  It is not just software services.  It isH > > the hardware!  When you provide a superior hardware platform (power)G > > that can run software that is secure, can scale well, and run 24x7, # > > then software services soar ...  > G > The thing that adds more to anything else to IBMs bottom line are the A > regiments of CTOs in banks and manf Co who *KNOW* from personal G > experience that IBM will, if need be, fly parts and people around the H > world to 'do what it takes'. And will tommorow, and the day after. All > they have to do is pay.  > A > And for THAT, they are quite happy to pay 50% over for ordinary  > performance. >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 11:36:04 -0600 G From: simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) 9 Subject: Re: channels and socket descriptors interchange? 3 Message-ID: <bnL$aIjA9uDV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3C644FEA.7090604@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: " > Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279) wrote: > 	 >> I know Q >> I can use the $QIO interface of sockets instead of the socket functions, but I  >> try avoiding it.  > J > Why?  I find the system service interface to sockets rather easy to use. >   J I am not the original poster, but in my case, if I am doing a socket basedG program on (for example, Linux), I would like to run the code unchanged  on VMS.   I It will also be a lot easier to port Unix code to VMS if issues like this  are addressed.   Simon.   --  G Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP        + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:50:26 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> 3 Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen 6 Message-ID: <3C650D02.443C72D8@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > WILLIAM WEBB wrote: @ > > Jellyfish in motion, sharks and birds of prey are beautiful, > > but hardly cute. > G > Ok then. So we have to consider Britney Spears, Elle McPherson, Cindy  > Crawford, etc. > N > Or perhaps a picture of Elvis ?   ( we all know that despite the rumours, he > isn't dead...)  F Maybe he's pulling the strings at a Houston based computer^H^H^HPeeCee company?   :-)   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:12:36 -0500 ' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> L Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one' Message-ID: <3C655884.C1557212@gce.com>   L For the nostalgic among us, if you care to have the good old Digital logo on+ your DECwindows login screen, find the file   > sys$common:[CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM  = and replace with one from VMS 7.2-1 (or probably older also).   H I found that just putting the old one in as version 2 works fine and the< login screen is exactly the one from before the Compaq-tion.  S Aside from the image presented there seems not to be much in the file, so I imagine N someone suitably motivated might be able to replace with whatever kind of icon one wanted.   9 As for some of the females mentioned below, rotsa ruck...    Glenn Everhart     Steve Reece wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > WILLIAM WEBB wrote: B > > > Jellyfish in motion, sharks and birds of prey are beautiful, > > > but hardly cute. > > I > > Ok then. So we have to consider Britney Spears, Elle McPherson, Cindy  > > Crawford, etc. > > P > > Or perhaps a picture of Elvis ?   ( we all know that despite the rumours, he > > isn't dead...) > H > Maybe he's pulling the strings at a Houston based computer^H^H^HPeeCee > company?   :-) >  > --I > "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like G > a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. C > Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" 5 >                 Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:46:22 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG L Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one0 Message-ID: <00A094F0.3DBF7F6B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Q In article <3C655884.C1557212@gce.com>, Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> writes: M >For the nostalgic among us, if you care to have the good old Digital logo on , >your DECwindows login screen, find the file > ? >sys$common:[CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM  > > >and replace with one from VMS 7.2-1 (or probably older also). > I >I found that just putting the old one in as version 2 works fine and the = >login screen is exactly the one from before the Compaq-tion.  > T >Aside from the image presented there seems not to be much in the file, so I imagineO >someone suitably motivated might be able to replace with whatever kind of icon 
 >one wanted.   > : >As for some of the females mentioned below, rotsa ruck... >  >Glenn Everhart   ! Here's anonther one just for fun:     anonymous ftp://ftp.tmesis.com     get QUISP.ZIP.  7 UNZIP QUISP.ZIP to get QUISP.PM and rename QUISP.PM to  > SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM  @ If anybody knows where I can find a picture of QUAKE, I'd really appreciate it. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:34:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> L Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one, Message-ID: <3C656BB1.ADC67AB7@videotron.ca>   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   8 > UNZIP QUISP.ZIP to get QUISP.PM and rename QUISP.PM to@ > SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM    > How does one change the logo on VAX-VMS if we don't hace CDE ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:25:15 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> : Subject: DEClaser 2250 (LN06) - Toner not being deposited.5 Message-ID: <3C64EAFB.D259847@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   F After apparently curing the problems of paper mis-feed a few weeks agoB (thanks to all those who took the time to reply) I'm having futherD problems on my DEClaser 2250.  This time it's with print quality and toner.  D Even with a new, good, toner cartridge the printer tells me that theF toner is low via its LCD display (message 16 TONER LOW).  This startedH yesterday after the printer being fine the day before (it's not normally left on continuously).  B Print quality is low, as though the toner really was running out. = Moving the (new) toner cartridge to another printer (an LN05)gG demonstrates that it is OK, as is the old one.  Cleaning primary coronaeC wire, transfer corona wire and discharge pins makes no difference. n5 Power cycling the printer makes no difference either.e  C Any ideas?  I'd really like to sort it out and get it working againi really soon...   Thanks in advance. Steve.   -- iG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likecE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.eA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"g% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:04:45 +0100t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> + Subject: DIR cache and DIR's > 127 blocks ?M' Message-ID: <3C652C7D.591B1717@aaa.com>a   Hi.*5 At least in earlier versions of VMS there was a limiti4 on the largest DIR file that would be cached by VMS.1 It was 127 or 128 disk blocks. Passing this limit.1 would often give you very bad DELETE performance.d   Does this limit still exists ?3 (Yes, it sure does in the older versions, but let'sh say in 7.2-x and 7.3 ?)o   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:53:19 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> . Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more- Message-ID: <a4363v$mah$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>M  , John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote: : Roar Throns wrote:c   :>  - :> Feedback, debuggers and developers needed.  :> M= :> : SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=00000000, param=00000000,iN :> : PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000, target PC=FFFFFFFF80A50B44, PS=0000001B :> -" :> : Those errors are still there.+ :> : I have no idea about what causes them.e  = : Compile with machine code on, and link with the MAP option.s  J : Use the linker map to identify the closest symbol to 80A50B44, and then J : find it using HEX math in the assembly listing produced by the compiler.   80A50B44 is not in my space.  G : This should lead you to the source line that is causing the problem. tG : You also should look for where the AST was queued from once you have 3 : identified the AST.   > The debugger caught it and showed me which service who got it,I but it was probably some new functionality someplace else that caused it. 8 (Some atimer module using alarm/signals (meaning ASTs).)   -- i
 -Roar Thronsc   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:45:03 GMTi- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> . Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more* Message-ID: <3C652B45.3000906@qsl.network>   Roar Throns wrote:o  . > John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote: > : Roar Throns wrote:  >  > :> r/ > :> Feedback, debuggers and developers needed.  > :> i? > :> : SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=00000000, param=00000000,8P > :> : PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000, target PC=FFFFFFFF80A50B44, PS=0000001B > :>  $ > :> : Those errors are still there.- > :> : I have no idea about what causes them.O > ? > : Compile with machine code on, and link with the MAP option.t > L > : Use the linker map to identify the closest symbol to 80A50B44, and then L > : find it using HEX math in the assembly listing produced by the compiler. >  > 80A50B44 is not in my space.     Yes, I should have seen that.r    I > : This should lead you to the source line that is causing the problem. qI > : You also should look for where the AST was queued from once you have   > : identified the AST.- > @ > The debugger caught it and showed me which service who got it,K > but it was probably some new functionality someplace else that caused it. : > (Some atimer module using alarm/signals (meaning ASTs).)    D Since the message says you are out of user stack, or the user stack G pointer was corrupted, I would look to see if a routine is recursively  1 calling it self until it runs out of stack space.I  D The other thing to look for is something that is making assumptions I about where passed parameters are on the stack and is somehow corrupting  
 the stack.  * It also can be caused by a buffer overrun.  D If you can reproduce this readily, try commenting out functionality & until you get the smallest reproducer.  H If you can reproduce this in the debugger, by using the SHOW IMAGE, SET G IMAGE and SET MODULE commands, the debugger can sometimes identify the a$ different images in the stack trace.  C This may allow you to identify what queued the AST that is failing   because of the STACK problems.   -Johnn wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlye   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:51:45 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Re: Error when using "convert/fdl"'& Message-ID: <3C64F131.4090809@home.nl>  G It all depends what you are trying to achive, which isn't totaly clear   from  this message..  G What kind of input file are you using ? (sequential, indexed, relative)nA What do you want to do with the records, keep the same number of c( records, or pack four records into one ?  G Convert doesn't know what to do either. You tell Convert to extend the lH records to 2048 bytes, but with what ?.  You can use the /PAD switch to I solve this problem, and then you will keep the same number of records as i in the input file.  I On the other hand if you want to pack 4 records into one, you should use aE the SET FILE /ATTRIBUTES command, and not use Convert. But this will oH only work on sequential files !! If you have another file organization, F you will have to convert to sequenatial first, and then later back to  the original type.     Mike Czizek wrote:  L >We have created an FDL file of an input file via the "analyze/rms/fdl ..." J >command. We then wanted to use that fdl file to convert a second file to K >have the definition of the original file (i.e. to change the fixed length tH >from 512 bytes to 2048 bytes) via the command "convert/fdl ...".  This C >resulted in error "record too short for fixed record format file".. > J >What could be causing this error?  Is there a different or better way to # >change the fixed length of a file?o >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:53:10 +0100m2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de>+ Subject: Re: Error when using "convert/fdl"h+ Message-ID: <3C64F186.4050508@arcormail.de>e  
 Dear Mike,  C if you indeed changed the record length in the FDL file CONVERT is -B completely in its right to complain! You should think of using the /PAD parameter of CONVERT!   Thomas   Mike Czizek wrote:  M > We have created an FDL file of an input file via the "analyze/rms/fdl ..." 3K > command. We then wanted to use that fdl file to convert a second file to iL > have the definition of the original file (i.e. to change the fixed length I > from 512 bytes to 2048 bytes) via the command "convert/fdl ...".  This oD > resulted in error "record too short for fixed record format file". > K > What could be causing this error?  Is there a different or better way to .$ > change the fixed length of a file? >  >      -- e9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germanyo   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:38:22 -0600 C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.signaltreesolutions.com>o, Subject: Re: How to upgrade Miata (PWS 433a)= Message-ID: <3C65426E.6080103@nospam.signaltreesolutions.com>    Osmo Kujala wrote:  B > I've succeeded to make old PWS 433a run VMS. Now I'm considering > possible upgrades.    I > 4) Which ultra 2 or ultra160 SCSI controllers are supported by OpenVMS?rC >    I can learn the official names from spd, but liked to know the,3 >    "real" names and chips like 53C895, 2940U2W...     E Nothing that isn't in the SPD is "supported," though other things may C work, and since you're already running on an unsupported system you.G might as well give it a shot. You can get a rough idea of what might bee worth trying by doingF  ' $ search sys$system:sys$config.dat scsii  F About half of what you see will be DEC part numbers and the other halfF will be manufacturer names. This is only a rough guide because in someD cases the driver explicitly prevents you from using cards that don'tE identify themselves in firmware as being the DEC-branded doppelganger D for the manufacturer's otherwise identical (and much less expensive)1 card. (The Symbios driver does that in any case.)a  G I've gotten a no-name Qlogic card with the ISP1020 chip to work ok in awG 500au. I did not have any luck with the ISP1040A. I'm told the ISP1040BvG is identical to the KZPBA and does work, though I've never had my handswD on one to try. The situation is really quite dismal; as far as I canC tell there are no drivers for any recent Qlogic cards or any of ther* Adaptec cards from the last several years.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 02:01:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links- Message-ID: <87vgd6ilf6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>m  I simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:n  > > In article <87heosodms.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi! > <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:s > > B > > Ph IV does do load balancing. I've run it over 9 ( I think...)) > > serial lines out of a pair of DHVs ;)c  E > Ok, I'll bite. What was on either end of the link, why serial links ! > and why stop at only nine ? :-)   D A pair of uV-IIs. Why? to destroy the mind of a billybigot :) Why 9?@ Ran out of null-modem cables. :) There where two DHV-11s in eachE machine. Last couple of lines dropped the total; the DHV cpus ran outo of grunt...e   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:45:58 +0000c1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>g1 Subject: Re: Making bootable images from VMS diskn6 Message-ID: <3C64FDE6.708D03EC@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  E One option (though probably not supported) might be to utilize an HSD>H (probably the HSD05 as it's cheap as chips).  Shove it in a Storageworks> shelf, use the left hand SCSI connector of the shelf (with theG connectors at the top, open side of shelf towards you) to connect up tot
 the CD drive.t  F As I say, it's probably not supported but I have had some success with' this config using an RRD40 on an HSD05.h   Steve.   Howard Harte wrote:b >  > Hi,i > P >         Thanks for the information.  It worked well, and I was able to produceC > three bootable drives.  I will mess around with some of the other 0 > suggestions to try and create a bootable tape. > R >         Does anyone know if there are any CD-ROM drives that are compatible with > DSSI?E >  >         Thanks,k >         Howard >    -- oG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeoE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"c% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:09:24 +0100a9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>m' Subject: Shadowed system disk and DOSD.p' Message-ID: <3C651174.4B848367@aaa.com>p   Hi.HE I'v got a system (AS1200) where all data disks currently are shadowedaE using host based VOLSHAD between the internal SW-shelf and a externaln BA356 shelf. Works just great.  ; Now I'd like to also shadow the system disk. I'v read aboutv> DOSD (Dump Off System Disk ?), but, AFAI can see, this is only> an requirement if your also would like to enable mini-merge on the system disk ?v  ? Can I shadow the system disk without going through the steps toe6 DOSD, if I *don't* enable mini merge ? Any drawbacks ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:19:42 +0100D9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>E+ Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk and DOSD. ' Message-ID: <3C652FFE.9D24BED7@aaa.com>    OK.y I'll go without the DOSD.h  < It's my understanding that, since the DUMP will be performed> "outside" the mirrowing, the DUMP will one be on one disk (the< oroginal boot disk). And, since the mini-merge is a catch-upE from a kind of transaction-log or update-log (and not from the actuall7 data on disk as in a normal shadow-copy), the disk willm9 (or might) not be the same after a DUMP and a mini-merge.v  	 Jan-Erik.t       Bart Zorn wrote: >  > K > You don't need DOSD to shadow your system disk. And you can do mini mergenL > ONLY if you have disk controllers that support it. As far as I know, there! > is no relation between the two.  >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:09:01 +0100, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>+ Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk and DOSD.p* Message-ID: <a43ahu$1mj$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3C651174.4B848367@aaa.com...e > Hi.uG > I'v got a system (AS1200) where all data disks currently are shadowed G > using host based VOLSHAD between the internal SW-shelf and a externalw  > BA356 shelf. Works just great. >i= > Now I'd like to also shadow the system disk. I'v read about-@ > DOSD (Dump Off System Disk ?), but, AFAI can see, this is only@ > an requirement if your also would like to enable mini-merge on > the system disk ?  >sA > Can I shadow the system disk without going through the steps to48 > DOSD, if I *don't* enable mini merge ? Any drawbacks ?  I You don't need DOSD to shadow your system disk. And you can do mini mergeoJ ONLY if you have disk controllers that support it. As far as I know, there is no relation between the two.D  C To shadow your system disk, set the following in your MODPARAMS.DATe   SHADOW_SYS_DISK = 1t1 SHADOW_SYS_UNIT = x   ! system disk will be DSAx:f  G I assume you already have the other shadowing parameters set. Now do an K AUTOGEN and reboot. Your system disk will come up as a single member shadow G set. You can then add an other member to it. If you don't do DOSD, thenhI dumpfiles will be written only to the disk you booted from. Therefore, ifoG you value your dumps, you must take precautions when you reboot and thet+ system disk shadow set will start to merge.    HTH   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:56:59 GMT$+ From: Sean O'Banion <seanobanion@attbi.com>M+ Subject: Re: Shadowed system disk and DOSD.r( Message-ID: <3C6554DA.7050602@attbi.com>  F To get to the correct disk that contains the dump file after a crash, E you may have to remove the secondary member, which could contain the aE "wrong" dump info.  As you stated, this is because the console crash hI code understands how to write to the physical disk, not the shadow disk. aE This means that while you do dump analysis, or copy the dump file to oI some scratch space, you will only have a single member in the shadow set.e  H It my employers, we have systems with 8-12 GB of memory per system in a E two or three node cluster, which can take a while to copy to scratch  E space.  To avoid this risk and the impact of interrupting the shadow  - driver's sync'ing the disks, we went to DOSD.      Sean     Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:-   > OK.  > I'll go without the DOSD.5 > > > It's my understanding that, since the DUMP will be performed@ > "outside" the mirrowing, the DUMP will one be on one disk (the> > oroginal boot disk). And, since the mini-merge is a catch-upG > from a kind of transaction-log or update-log (and not from the actualo9 > data on disk as in a normal shadow-copy), the disk willo; > (or might) not be the same after a DUMP and a mini-merge.o >  > Jan-Erik.  >  >  >  > Bart Zorn wrote: >  >>K >>You don't need DOSD to shadow your system disk. And you can do mini merge L >>ONLY if you have disk controllers that support it. As far as I know, there! >>is no relation between the two.  >> >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:23:51 +0010)% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au 7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patentsl5 Message-ID: <01KE2VTLD1IQ0032QI@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>d  3 "Everything that can be invented has been invented"   E Charles H. Duell, Director of the U.S. Patent Office, in a letter to rA President McKinley urging him to abolish the Patent Office, 1899.a   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:23:11 +0100c/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>h7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patentse4 Message-ID: <VA.0000052d.17ee173e@bluewin.delete.ch>  A In article <3C63EDC4.723686E7@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: 3 > Sure is, I remember it from the last time in 2000? > when it was last made public.u > 2 > (With the risk of beeing sued by BT, I don't add > any URL here :-) ) > . Chicken! Gimme the URL and I'll publish it :-) ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:23:11 +0100s/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>E7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patentss4 Message-ID: <VA.0000052f.17ee1807@bluewin.delete.ch>  K In article <01KE1DO8CCJI8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig   wrote:5 > > The subject line is stupid and isn't supported by8 > > the article in the post. > J > Right.  Whatever one thinks of this particular case, it certainly can't J > be construed to illustrate the evil of all software patents, unless you J > already have been brainwashed by Richard M. "make your software free or  > I will kill you" Stallman. >SI I have a real problem with RMS on that. All my computer working life has 0@ been about developing software to get a business advantage over D comptetitors (manufacturing, or service providing companies etc) or - developing stuff to sell for software houses.   I In the former case, no way are the competition going to benefit from our 4K hard work and expenditure for free. In the latter case, how the hell do we e	 get paid?   I OK, let's take a step back and talk of academia (which you know far more hJ about than me), where folks can maybe afford to develop software for free.  D The trouble there is that no matter how well endowed an educational J establishment may be, they are always struggling to balance costs against J income, and I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to raise income by J charging for useful software. (We'll leave X-windows out of this argument  please:-) )a ___a
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandM   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:23:11 +0100r/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>07 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patentsm4 Message-ID: <VA.0000052e.17ee1753@bluewin.delete.ch>  A In article <0033000051830353000002L032*@MHS>, William Webb wrote:  > the article in the post. > - > I'll bet that the network security folks atP2 > BT are very unhappy that this hit the newswires. >07 > This sort of thing generates vast amounts of ill willh7 > among people who lack scruples and are willing to act  > accordingly. >cB Point taken. But BT have to learn that they ain't a state monopoly. anymore. It is IMNSHO _BT_ who lacks scruples.  A Can you believe that I had a trio of fax machines going yesterdayeE trying to contact BT (on an unrelated matter) and ALL attempts failedl@ with a line busy message? I have the fax transmission reports to. prove that out of 50 attempts, none succeeded.  L It doesn't take a PHD or MBA to work out that a telecomms company who cannot# receive a fax has serious problems.a  F But back to the subject of the patent. I read the script of the patentM when it was first reported, and to me it was describing VideoText (much akin iO to today's teletext). The date of the patent fits in very well with that. IIRC tK it was basically a set of menus to which the user responded by keying in a cN response (and again IIRC it could be an alphanumeric response vs the teletext M numbers only idea - e.g. CPQ for Compaq's stock price). The patent also went mM on to describe suitable types of input device, along the lines of what we do e3 nowadays to send an SMS message via a mobile phone.t  N One of the comments I remember from those initial discussions was that if you K key in a response, then the patent may apply, if you use a mouse to click, E then it doesn't apply :-)m ___,
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   Today's spam report:N My spam filters are obviously working. 37 mails in, 7 of which made it to the  inbox, only one spam :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 12:06 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)-7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patentsm, Message-ID: <9FEB200212064304@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...0 }Bill Gunshannon wrote:pM }> Of course it can.  In the US you can sue for anything.  or have we alreadyaN }> forgotten the psychic who sued a hospital for loss of psychic ability afterK }> a medical CAT scan.  She won and was awarded several million dollars for,? }> the loss of something who's existence has never been proven.d } K }I had never heard that one. That one is much better than the lady who sued?" }McDonalds for serving hot coffee.  C Actually the McDonalds "hot coffee" case was perfectly valid - evensE McDonald's own quality assurance manager said that at the temperaturedA they were serving it, it was unfit for human consumption. It also E wasn't the only such claim they had due to this - in a 10 year periodoC there were about 700 of them - this is just the most public one (itn> may be the only one that wasn't settled and went to the jury).? The amount of money the jury awarded the plaintif may have been ? rediculous, but all she originally asked for was that McDonaldsh- pay her medical bill for the burn treatments.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 02:08:01 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patentsr- Message-ID: <87r8nuil4u.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:r  F > However, in this case, we're talking about a reputable serious large0 > international corporation (BT), not some kook.  D So now millions of UK phone uses want to know, who is the 'reputable, serious large international corporation'? ;)  A They ARE serious. Welcome to the wonders of the US patent system.h   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 02:18:33 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patents - Message-ID: <87n0yiikna.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   1 Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> writes:s  A > But back to the subject of the patent. I read the script of thel@ > patent when it was first reported, and to me it was describingC > VideoText (much akin to today's teletext). The date of the patenteF > fits in very well with that. IIRC it was basically a set of menus toE > which the user responded by keying in a response (and again IIRC itSE > could be an alphanumeric response vs the teletext numbers only idea B > - e.g. CPQ for Compaq's stock price). The patent also went on toE > describe suitable types of input device, along the lines of what we 8 > do nowadays to send an SMS message via a mobile phone.  D Prestel days, and teletext. IIRC, when I read the claims, the datail@ that jumped out was that they had the cost as part of the 'link'B and that that was the novel feature. IF that is so, all except the& 'one click' retailers should be fine.    -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:33:22 +0000e1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>g# Subject: Re: Veritas Client for VMSi6 Message-ID: <3C64FAF2.143FD69F@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  ( j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818 wrote: > , > >- What kind of gotchas have you run into? > H >         Kinda SLOW.  But then anything but the unix boxes seem kind ofN >         slow (WinNT, Netware, OpenVMS).  No resolution on this yet.  VeritasN >         can't explain it except they say part of the problem is full vs half >         duplex on the NICs.   F For speed, I'm fed up with people telling me that the problem with theG VMS system is the lack of full duplex on the NICs.  It's like the first0, stop-off point and nobody looks any further.   > J > >- Have you had problems restoring data during a data recovery exercise? > A >         None yet.  Have not had a DISASTER to recover from yet.t  H But isn't that a major test to be carried out when you're implementing aE new backup regime?  If you can't get the data back from the tape thenIG what's the point of transferring those data to tape in the first place?n   Steve.   -- oG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likerE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.?A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"e% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:59:54 +0100o9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: VMS Patch list.' Message-ID: <3C651D4A.AC0BD9C8@aaa.com>   1 Sometime ago someone posted an URL to a VMS patch 3 list where all patches was ordered by VMS versions. 2 I *think* it was some .au URL, but I can be wrong.  4 Anyway, anyone remebering this post ? Or having this
 URL at hand ?-   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:50:41 +0100u From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: VMS Patch list.& Message-ID: <3C652931.3080405@home.nl>  1 http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/t   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:a  2 >Sometime ago someone posted an URL to a VMS patch4 >list where all patches was ordered by VMS versions.3 >I *think* it was some .au URL, but I can be wrong.i >o5 >Anyway, anyone remebering this post ? Or having this  >URL at hand ? >o >Jan-Erik Sderholm. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:57:51 +0100v9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>s Subject: Re: VMS Patch list.' Message-ID: <3C652ADF.FBDF3701@aaa.com>e   OK, I did know about that one.  $ The one one I saw, was a pretty-page% "frontend" to the FTP archive. It was ' realy easy to see the different patchesr and dependencis between them.m   Thanks anyway !I	 Jan-Erik.    Dirk Munk wrote: > 3 > http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/vms/l >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:t > 4 > >Sometime ago someone posted an URL to a VMS patch6 > >list where all patches was ordered by VMS versions.5 > >I *think* it was some .au URL, but I can be wrong.i > >e7 > >Anyway, anyone remebering this post ? Or having this, > >URL at hand ? > >0 > >Jan-Erik Sderholm. > >5   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 07:35:25 -0700p$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> Subject: Re: VMS Patch list.) Message-ID: <3C6533AD.D261F2DC@cha.ab.ca>e  ? http://riogrande.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/version.htma     Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:r  3 > Sometime ago someone posted an URL to a VMS patchm5 > list where all patches was ordered by VMS versions.b4 > I *think* it was some .au URL, but I can be wrong. >s6 > Anyway, anyone remebering this post ? Or having this > URL at hand ?t >s > Jan-Erik Sderholm.g   -- Leee  ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authoritys? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCa4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:48:07 +0100'9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>c Subject: Re: VMS Patch list.& Message-ID: <3C6536A7.F38C9A2@aaa.com>   Yes !o There is was !
 Thanks a lot.k	 Jan-Erik.c   Lee Y T Mah wrote: > A > http://riogrande.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/version.htme >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:57:55 +0010n% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aum5 Subject: Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign 5 Message-ID: <01KE2X0TF8HE0033C7@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   B BG: "VMS is such a good OS that even my attempt to copy it failed"  7 Seriously, I guess this thread is very tongue-in-cheek.o  M Only a handful of ads do I find "clever" and watchable (even in .au a recent  H one for McDonalds, normally the pits -- ads and food).  I still haven't # rushed out to buy the products yet.$  J To me, the worst ads are those that use "personalities".  Images are what  normally stick in my mind.  K I remember one from several years ago for a petrol company, which showed a eL typical fairground carousel of horses and one came to life and ran off into K the distance.  That image has remained: I forget the message, and I forget hM the company, but then I'm not the sort of person the TV ads are aimed at.  I sM don't think that I have ever bought a product over its competitor because of   a TV ad.  L I would not survive long in the advertising world, but I think that any VMS N ad (a serious product) needs no "gimmickry" but include a memorable image, in < the popular commercial world of TV or the page-three press.    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:48:38 +0000b. From: Graham Burley <100625.30@compuserve.com>Q Subject: Re: VMS usage in UK hospitals, was: Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium . Message-ID: <3C6528B6.10831BEA@compuserve.com>   Simon Clubley wrote: > G > Any other sightings of VMS systems in UK hospitals ? I didn't realiselC > that they were in common hospital use over here. As a data point,m  ? I work in one that has many of its core applications (e.g. A&E, ? Pathology) on VMS, but sadly VMS is in decline in UK hospitals.d? I'm sure that if we bought these applications now VMS would notd be part of the suppliers bid.r  H > York General Hospital runs Tru64, or more accurately, during a visit aM > few months ago, I noticed they were advertising for Tru64 staff; no mention:	 >.of VMS.e  = Cache or Oracle on Tru64 is common in UK health, there's been>6 many a VMS to Tru64 migration over the last few years.  @ Last time I looked InterSystems had not committed to an IPF port; of Cache on either Tru64 or VMS. InterSystems announced thei> end-of-development of DSM back in 2000, so that isn't going to< make it to IPF. If VMS is going to have a share in health itA needs Mumps, and in the UK that equates to InterSystems products.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:24:47 -0500l1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>y Subject: VPN clients2 Message-ID: <3C653F3F.F33BC362@firstdbasource.com>  A Has anyone seen or heard of a VPN client.  I don't need one, justh' curious to find out it it exist or not.w   -- t   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comD President/Sr. DBA Consultant   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:29:49 GMTD From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGe Subject: Re: VPN clients0 Message-ID: <00A094ED.EE2764C7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <3C653F3F.F33BC362@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:B >Has anyone seen or heard of a VPN client.  I don't need one, just( >curious to find out it it exist or not.  : I've heard of lots of them; however, none that run on VMS.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp            aJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.078 ************************