0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 10 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 79      Contents:& Re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"! A yardstick for comparison Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ), Re: Buy 1 and Get 1 Free - 9GB S/Works DisksC Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew? & Re: DIR cache and DIR's > 127 blocks ?% Re: emacs21 working a little bit more  Re: Galaxy help!!!! P Re: HP Sets March 19 for Special Meeting of Shareowners to Vote on Compaq Merger. Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready ! Re: Microsoft's financials RE: Microsoft's financials Re: Question about Group ID  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Suggested ECOs?  Re: Suggested ECOs? = Swiss ADSL - Any success with green.ch ADSL? Feedback please. . Re: The stupidity of granting software patents Re: There must be a way H Re: VMS usage in UK hospitals, was: Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on Itanium Re: VPN clients  Re: VPN clients   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:46:50 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: "C" written os's spell "disaster"! 1 Message-ID: <a44ch4$gp$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net>   F Hit the STOP button on your browser at some point prior to the switch;H easier to do if you don't have a high speed connection.  The last time IJ went through this page, some of the links still worked but many were dead.- Don't know how much more has been lost since.      Tom Linden wrote in message ... I >Very strange, if you got to http://www-legacy.digital.com/semiconductor/ D >you get the right page, for about 3 to 4 seconds then it changes to@ >http://www.compaq.com/alphaoem/  and says PAGE NOT FOUND.  Odd! > : >There used to be a wealth of technical info at this site. >  >>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 20:37:59 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net># Subject: A yardstick for comparison A Message-ID: <HMf98.34174$QS5.2766084@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   I Just noticed this Gartner write-up on AIX and thought it makes very clear J how Compaq should be supporting VMS (and/or Tru64) if it has any intentionG of continuing to compete in the general-purpose enterprise space.  Note L especially the source compatibility with Linux, the entry-level server priceH of $3K (including OS license), the highlighting of POWER4's capabilitiesL compared with less performant architectures, and the overall product breadth% and strength IBM brings to the table.   L http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2836780-1,00.htm l    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 03:33:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: BEA MessageQ (DECMessageQ) - Message-ID: <87it96ih5u.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com> writes:    ... ? > We've been using it for over five years and have never lost a  > transaction.  $ In about how many transactions Mike?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:27:34 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: Buy 1 and Get 1 Free - 9GB S/Works Disks ' Message-ID: <3C65F7F3.CB30F275@fsi.net>    "Island (hpaq.net)" wrote: >  > www.islandco.com >  > DS-RZ1DB-VW $299( > Buy one at this price and get one free  > Actually, I'm looking for RZ40-VAs - but then, isn't everyone?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 20:13:23 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG L Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one0 Message-ID: <00A09504.C75EEDC2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <3C656BB1.ADC67AB7@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > 9 >> UNZIP QUISP.ZIP to get QUISP.PM and rename QUISP.PM to A >> SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM  >  > ? >How does one change the logo on VAX-VMS if we don't hace CDE ?   C That's documented!  Look back through this thread for the pointers.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 20:40:58 GMT ( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?0 Message-ID: <a441gq$bn6$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  7 In article <name99-0802021830500001@handma2.apple.com>, ' Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> wrote: D >In article <hnm46uk5e1h751vmkea5cr1pln4qk7fego@4ax.com>, Alan Greig ><a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:7 >> On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:54:59 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" % >> <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  >>  P >> >Boat? What's this about boats??? Seems to me that Carly said something about& >> >burning bridges, not watercraft... >>  F >> Nope she actually said "boats". Here's a post of mine where I firstG >> referenced it together with The Inquirer link. The full text of this A >> "address the troops" meeting can be found in the SEC filings.   > K >This is a reference to one of the early South American explorers, Hernando I >Cortez, the guy who conquered the Aztecs. To ensure that his troops kept J >their energy focussed on the conquering ahead rather than planning how toG >get home if things went wrong, he burned the boats they used to get to  >Mexico.  1 I think not.  Try Gaius Julius.  Caesar, that is.   C He wasn't the first to do it, nor the last, but I am pretty certain A that the expression comes from his actions, as his propaganda was ? used as one the the main Latin texts at the time the expression  started.     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 21:25:11 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?% Message-ID: <a4443n$sqb@web.nmti.com>   7 In article <name99-0802021830500001@handma2.apple.com>, ' Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> wrote: L > This is a reference to one of the early South American explorers, HernandoJ > Cortez, the guy who conquered the Aztecs. To ensure that his troops keptK > their energy focussed on the conquering ahead rather than planning how to H > get home if things went wrong, he burned the boats they used to get to	 > Mexico.   A This means she's going to do to HP what Cortez did to the Aztecs?    --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:09:31 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?' Message-ID: <3C65F3B7.FEA89F0B@fsi.net>    Peter da Silva wrote:  > 9 > In article <name99-0802021830500001@handma2.apple.com>, ) > Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> wrote: N > > This is a reference to one of the early South American explorers, HernandoL > > Cortez, the guy who conquered the Aztecs. To ensure that his troops keptM > > their energy focussed on the conquering ahead rather than planning how to J > > get home if things went wrong, he burned the boats they used to get to > > Mexico.  > C > This means she's going to do to HP what Cortez did to the Aztecs?   H In the scenario, who would be comparable to Montezuma (ref: "Montezuma's
 revenge")?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 13:49 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) / Subject: Re: DIR cache and DIR's > 127 blocks ? , Message-ID: <9FEB200213493816@gerg.tamu.edu>  = Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes...  }Hi.6 }At least in earlier versions of VMS there was a limit5 }on the largest DIR file that would be cached by VMS. 2 }It was 127 or 128 disk blocks. Passing this limit2 }would often give you very bad DELETE performance. }  }Does this limit still exists ? 4 }(Yes, it sure does in the older versions, but let's }say in 7.2-x and 7.3 ?) }  }Jan-Erik Sderholm.  B Starting with V7.2 the maximum cached DIR file size has increased,C but I don't know to what - just that it is bigger. It may have also E had other improvements in this area so that there is less performance , loss when you hit whatever the new limit is.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 03:57:11 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>. Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more- Message-ID: <87eljuig2w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:   E > The other thing to look for is something that is making assumptions ? > about where passed parameters are on the stack and is somehow  > corrupting the stack.   ( ALLOCA... double check what it is up to. (one L or two...)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:38:15 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Galaxy help!!!!K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0902021338150001@1cust162.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   < In article <Rqa88.538$am1.36866@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote:   - >"Anton Yelin" <ant@x509.ru> wrote in message 8 >news:b29f8652.0202060527.593c108b@posting.google.com...F >> I have AlphaServer 1200 vs OpenVMS 7.3. I try set 1 instance Galaxy4 >> (by the doc) and GCU write me %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE., >> In doc i found that %GCU-E-INVALIDNODE is& >> "Invalid node in Configuration TreeI >> The GCU has parsed an invalid structure within the configuration tree. F >> This can only result from configuration tree corruption or revision6 >> mismatch between the ruleset and console firmware."F >> I have a latest firmware. How test my configuration tree?? I need 1 >> instance Galaxy.  >> Help please.  >> Thank you in advance. > K >I am not sure, but I think that you need an Alpha 4100, 8200, 8400 or more ) >recent (ES, GS family)Alpha  to do that.   @ Any alpha system should be able to run a single-instance galaxy.  G On old alphas without a galaxy-capable console, you have to make a fake D configuration tree using GCU.  This is described in the Alpha GalaxyJ Guide, chapter 9 in my V7.2-1 copy of the manual.  I think the alphaserverH 1200 system is in this category.  If the console didn't make the invalidC configuration tree, then it must have come from a file that someone  created and left lying around.  $ If GCU is complaining, I'd try this:  3 1.  Reboot, making sure the system is NOT a galaxy:    -- Shut down system P   -- Do a conversational boot (>>> B -fl n,1 device, where n is the system root)7   -- At the SYSBOOT prompt, SET GALAXY 0, then CONTINUE   G 2.  Do ANALYZE/SYSTEM ... SHOW GCT.  On a non-galaxy system, you should I get a message that no configuration tree exists.  If not, the rest of the  steps probably don't apply.   D 3.  You may have a corrupted configuration tree file.  If there is aF SYS$SYSTEM:GLX$GCT.BIN, rename it to something safe.  You don't want a6 file from another system to (possibly) mess things up.  I 4.  Now run GCU to create a single-instance galaxy.  It will ask how much F shared memory you want.  Pick 8 MB, or a larger multiple of 8 MB.  GCUG should display a picture of the configuration.  Exit GCU.  It will have H made a file named GLX$GCT.BIN in your default directory.  Copy that file# to SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]GLX$GCT.BIN.   F 5.  Shut down the system and do a conversational boot.  This time, SETG GALAXY 1 at the SYSBOOT prompt, then CONTINUE.  You should see messages ' that indicate a Galaxy is being formed.   < Once you have a galaxy, GCU should show you a diagram of theH configuration.  Also, if you do ANALYZE/SYSTEM followed by SHOW GCT, you> should get a text representation of the structure of the tree.  N If any of this doesn't work, post details, including the exact error messages.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:37:02 -0600, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>Y Subject: Re: HP Sets March 19 for Special Meeting of Shareowners to Vote on Compaq Merger 2 Message-ID: <a44bn3$2ng$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>  G What happens if the HP shareholders nix the deal?  Do the Paq'ers still K vote?  Would a disapprove by the shareholders on one side and an approve on I the other subject the 'disapproving' company to the huge penalty payment?     $ Fred Kleinsorge wrote in message ... >Compaq votes the day after HP.  > > >JF Mezei wrote in message <3C6032EA.62CFA0AA@videotron.ca>... >>Peter Weaver wrote:  >>> : >>> Details at http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020205/50328_1.html >>L >>Will Compaq shareholders also have to approve this, or will they just vote >by 1 >>tendering or not tendering their shares to HP ?  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:12:04 -05001 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> 7 Subject: Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready ! / Message-ID: <u6bi6tgisf0v9c@news.supernews.com>    FYI   1 Our company makes around 20% on these systems - a   > We make no money on shipping - the costs we have included were; approximations from Federal Express that we have guaranteed    David T    -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 877 636 4332  International: 001 912 447 6622   Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.net  www.hpaq.net  ; Herman Zilverberg <zilverberg@t-online.de> wrote in message ) news:u68759s058n3ab@news.supernews.com... H > Maybe my question is offtopic, but is yr. compy making  money with the$ > hardware or with the shippingcost? >  > Harry  > D > "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag+ > news:u666ab2ogng470@news.supernews.com...  > > 500Mhz EV6 with 4MB Cache  > > 21264 EV6 CPU  > > 1GB Camintonn Memory > > 1.44Mb Floppy + CDROM  > > 4 Slot disk cage, > > 9GB Ultra 2 SCSI Disk Universal Hot Plug > > DE500-BA > > 100MB Ethernet > > 2 x Ultra2 SCSI Controller > > S3Trio64 2MB PCI Video Card  > > No OS License included  > > Keyboard & Mouse, Power CordE > > Installed in Top Gun Blue Cabinet w/120V PS Pedestal Version  (if  > required)  > >  > > System Price $7895 > > L > > Shipping prices below are excluding cabinet and also exclude local taxes > > and surcharges.  > >  > > Shipping to EU $350  > > Shipping Domestic $150! > > Shipping: Australia/Asia $400  > >  > > 1 Year Warranty  > >  > >  > > -- > > Island Computers US Corp.  > > 2700 Gregory Street  > > Savannah GA 31404  > > Tel: 877 636 4332 # > > International: 001 912 447 6622 $ > > Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 > > dbturner@hpaq.net  > > www.hpaq.net > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:21:43 -0800+ From: "xenman" <xenman@sprynet.com.nospaam> # Subject: Re: Microsoft's financials 2 Message-ID: <a43lrr$bdm$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  < John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3C640C73.DF4728FC@swissonline.delete.ch...  >uF > I suggest that anyone interested in this should check out the Motley > Fool article ateD > http://www.fool.com/portfolios/rulemaker/2000/rulemaker000217.htm. >s > The first two paragraphs are-o > G > "Forget Windows 2000. As far as I can tell, the single most lucrative D > product Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) sells is its own stock. MicrosoftI > receives almost as much cash inflow from the stock market as it does bye) > selling goods and services. Here's how:a >yH > "Basically, Microsoft receives cash by issuing employee stock options,B > after which the company then receives billions of dollars in taxG > deductions from the IRS for doing so. Add in the warrants it sells ontJ > its own stock, and the company made over $5 billion off the stock marketH > last year (fiscal year ended July 1999), tax-free. For comparison, itsJ > after-tax net income was only $7.8 billion. Microsoft may not be much inB > the programming department, but its accountants are impressive." >M >sF > This article was written in year 2000 and I vaguely recall somethingC > about a change of practice being called for.  Whether things have-& > changed or not, I really don't know. >,I > What Microsoft is doing as regards bonuses paid as stock options may beuC > legal it can be hell on employees.  Just ask those who worked forpI > dot-coms and received stock options instead of real money and who found @ > the options to be worthless after the dot-com became dot-bomb. >eJ > IIRC the IRS are also rather unhappy about the scheme because they don'tI > get their cut of the value/amount when it is paid.  If the value of theeJ > option is $50 at the time of payment and the person gets 10,000 o fthem,I > then the IRS would like its portion of that $50,000 rather than have tot. > take a chance on MSFT stok going up or down. >pG > Microsoft's failure to pay a dividend has recently been reported.  In J > particular the report noted that not only do normal shareholders not getE > any return but the IRS is not getting the tax that Mr Gates (et al)d6 > would be required to pay under normal circumstances. >s >- > further comments below ... >. >p > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >tD > > The bottom line on this is that Microsoft is taking advantage of	 somethingoH > > quite legal, to in effect allow them to keep their employee salaries low.L > > The numbers quoted are for the most part - fantasy.  The problem is that ifJ > > the laws were changed to stop MS (and many others) from this practice, itJ > > would not have the effect of having Microsoft increase the pay of it's! > > employees by the same amount.u >bH > And why is this a problem ?  The only people directly impacted by this@ > would be Microsoft having to pay higher money to retain staff. > J > > In any case, Microsoft may have decided to abuse the idea, but the use ofK > > options to reward, and retain employees is very widespread.  Of course,e theyC > > are only useful if the companies share price continues to grow.o > >cI > > But Bill Parish is way out there with the people who believe that thev Queen J > > of England and the Pope are part of a secret world order that runs the) > > world.  Only substitute Bill and Tom.c > H > It's nice to see that the ability of posters to this newsgroup to makeF > wild assertions without supporting evidence is still alive and well.1 > And indeed is being practised by Compaq people.u >o >h
 > John McLeans    @ It's really amazing that some people believe this kind of stuff.> The number of factual error here are incredible. The following error were made:  / 1. Issuing stock options is NOT tax deductible.i< 2. If a company earns money trading in stock, it is taxable.: 3. MS' stock options have NOT been hell for its employees.= Thousands have become millionaires, most have done well, someo* have options that are currently worthless.? 4. When a stock option exercised, the IRS gets a very big chucky> of the proceeds.  The employee has to either come up with cash< to pay the taxes or sell some of the stock.  Social Security( and Medicare taxes also have to be paid.: 5. By not paying dividends MS may run afoul of the "Excess? Retained Earnings" tax.  In the U.S. Dividends are taxed twice,7= once as income to the corporation and once again when paid tot< the stock holder.  Due to tax rate differentials, most stock= holders would rather see stock price appreciation rather thanS dividends being paid out. > 6. An option has NO value until it is exercised.  It only gets> exercised if the market price of the stock is greater than the= strike price of the option.  When exercised the difference isr> considered Ordinary Income and is taxed ordinary income rates.? If the option holder "struck it rich", they get taxed at aroundd 42%.  9 I think it was around 3 years ago, Microsoft altered it's = compensations policies.  They used to pay salaries around thev9 50 percentile range, but they also had extremely generouse? benefits, including a 15% discount in purchasing company stock,uA and stock options.  I personally know contractors at MS that tooka= a 30 - 50% pay cut when they became an employee.  MS now pays1@ salaries at around the 80 percentile.  They do this because they> know that stock options are not as much of a lure as they used9 to be.  In addition they had a lot of employees that weree< exercising their options and retiring.  I know some of these people too.o  ? My source of information?  I live in Seattle.  MS was a producta> and service customer of mine.  I personally know employees and= contractors there.  Some of my employees went to work for MS.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:41:03 -0500t- From: "Jerry Eckert" <JAEckert@bellsouth.net>a# Subject: RE: Microsoft's financials 3 Message-ID: <003701c1b1fd$e9e49b00$f9c1b5d8@SYST01>a   John McLean wrote:  G >It's nice to see that the ability of posters to this newsgroup to make E >wild assertions without supporting evidence is still alive and well.o0 >And indeed is being practised by Compaq people.  D Funny... I don't see any evidence supporting your assertion that Mr.. Kleinsorge's statements are "wild assertions".   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 20:43:00 GMTr- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> $ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID( Message-ID: <3C658D3B.70805@qsl.network>   Sammy wrote:   > Hi:i > > >   I am trying to port an Unix app to VMS and having a little  > trouble with getting group ID. > C >   Basically, I want to know if there exist a similiar function in  > OpenVMS like:  > . > struct group * getgrnam(const char* grpname) > J > which returns either the gid or the group information (if it's possible A > at all, otherwise, no big deal) given the group name (or group aC > identifier in VMS term???) I am a novice to openVMS and any help a > are greatly appreciated. >  > P.S. this is my system:o >  > $ cxx /ver. > Compaq C++ V6.3-020 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1    A See the FRONTPORT library on the OpenVMS FREEWARE 5.0 CD-ROM set.t  4 A copy of the CD-ROM set is available from a link on  on http://www.openvms.compaq.com   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlym   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:00:54 GMT_1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>"( Subject: Re: setting the record straight' Message-ID: <3C65F1B2.FDEE9A29@fsi.net>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > K > John McLean wrote in message <3C64129D.7C2D075A@swissonline.delete.ch>...- > >- > >  > >Bill Todd wrote:2 > >>E > >> "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messageR. > >> news:vfS88.38$Jh4.269@news.cpqcorp.net... > >> > > >... > >> > > >> > What's to discuss?S > >>M > >> A great deal less now than there should have been prior to the June 25thrL > >> announcement.  That's the point:  an undamaged Alpha until such time asL > >> Itanic's future was in a great deal less doubt *was* the obvious Plan B > (and > >> not just for VMS).e > >> > >i > M > The Corporation has made the decision/gamble based on things I may not haveeN > insight into, that Itanium will succeed.  Cutting off Alpha now free's otherN > resources and money.  The stuff already in the pipeline gets us to the pointK > where Itanium is ready.  If they are wrong, then we all get burned.  Only? > time will tell.D   Dare I say it?  H In such case, IA32 would make an excellent Plan-B. Breaks the Alpha tiesH and get you onto many millions of Proliants, etc. where VMS is currentlyE locked out. Of course, you can't support every mobo/chipset - this isjB understadn and/or taken as given. Having the option of a supportedG mobo/chipset would break the Alpha ties as easily regardless of whetherc the CPU is IA32 or IA64.  F ...except of course that "the industry" is currently IA32, and IA64 is2 still a dream waiting to be - kinda like OVMS/x86.  8 ...but hey, what do I know - I'm just a low-grade moron.   -- L David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 22:07:44 -0600e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-( Subject: Re: setting the record straight3 Message-ID: <TXBaE8bSYei0@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  [ In article <3C65F1B2.FDEE9A29@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:-  J > In such case, IA32 would make an excellent Plan-B. Breaks the Alpha tiesJ > and get you onto many millions of Proliants, etc. where VMS is currentlyG > locked out. Of course, you can't support every mobo/chipset - this isnD > understadn and/or taken as given. Having the option of a supportedI > mobo/chipset would break the Alpha ties as easily regardless of whetheri > the CPU is IA32 or IA64.  B No, porting VAX VMS to another 32-bit chip would be _considerably_= more difficult than porting Alpha VMS to another 64-bit chip.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:34:22 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i( Subject: Re: setting the record straight' Message-ID: <3C65F98B.D14C48B4@fsi.net>h   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3C65F1B2.FDEE9A29@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > L > > In such case, IA32 would make an excellent Plan-B. Breaks the Alpha tiesL > > and get you onto many millions of Proliants, etc. where VMS is currentlyI > > locked out. Of course, you can't support every mobo/chipset - this isfF > > understadn and/or taken as given. Having the option of a supportedK > > mobo/chipset would break the Alpha ties as easily regardless of whether  > > the CPU is IA32 or IA64. > D > No, porting VAX VMS to another 32-bit chip would be _considerably_? > more difficult than porting Alpha VMS to another 64-bit chip.r  < So, then why not "backport" Alpha VMS (RISC) to IA32 (CISC)?  F I'm sure the answer is obvious to those "in the know", just not to the- likes of me ... or was Emerald a fabrication?u   -- n David J. Dachtera" dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:02:09 GMTa0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com> Subject: Suggested ECOs?+ Message-ID: <3C65E2A8.66ECF284@mailbag.com>-  F I'm running 7.2 from the hobbyist distro on a Vaxstation 4000/90. I'veD looked through the mass of ECO's that are out there, but unlike, forH example Sun and Solaris, there does not seem to be a bundle of suggested> patches to apply to bring a system up to a given patch level.   F Is there a list somewhere of what would be appropriate for me to apply; to my system here at home to take care of the worst issues?   A Perhaps I'm simply not seeing the VMS equivalent, but Sun's patchy6 clusters are a really big help at moments like theses.   TIA,   Williamo -- >* You better watch out    What you wish for;+ It better be worth it   So much to die for. -                                 Courtney LoveW   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:44:36 -0500t1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r Subject: Re: Suggested ECOs?2 Message-ID: <3C65ECA4.2C73E1E6@firstdbasource.com>   Start here.$  : > http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml  D Generally speaking unless it is a MUP (Mandatory Update) patches areG only applied if necessary.. Usually due to system configuration or somed nasty bug they are fighting. r  H With a new release like 7.2-1 this contains all of the patches necessaryE for Major release  7 minor version 2 eco 1.  Unless something else iseE discovered and it is released with the next eco and incorpated in the  next minor release.y   This is not U**x Toto... -- . Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comm Sr. Consultant   William Barnett-Lewis wrote: > H > I'm running 7.2 from the hobbyist distro on a Vaxstation 4000/90. I'veF > looked through the mass of ECO's that are out there, but unlike, forJ > example Sun and Solaris, there does not seem to be a bundle of suggested? > patches to apply to bring a system up to a given patch level.F > H > Is there a list somewhere of what would be appropriate for me to apply= > to my system here at home to take care of the worst issues?e > C > Perhaps I'm simply not seeing the VMS equivalent, but Sun's patch 8 > clusters are a really big help at moments like theses. >  > TIA, > 	 > Williamd > --, > You better watch out    What you wish for;- > It better be worth it   So much to die for.n/ >                                 Courtney Loved   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:17:21 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>oF Subject: Swiss ADSL - Any success with green.ch ADSL? Feedback please.4 Message-ID: <VA.00000532.1c6a4eb2@bluewin.delete.ch>   Hoi zusamme!  D I have just wasted a lot of time and money (2 Sfr per minute on the F support line) trying to get my ADSL connection working. It fails with @ an authentication error and the support guy finally suggested a @ hardware problem, either with the ADSL box or the Swisscom line.  C Has anyone out there had success with green.ch, or should I simply  * cancel the contract and send the kit back?   mfg  ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlandg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:17:20 +0100t/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>m7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patents 4 Message-ID: <VA.00000531.1c6a4e94@bluewin.delete.ch>  C In article <87n0yiikna.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote: 3 > Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> writes:e > C > > But back to the subject of the patent. I read the script of thesB > > patent when it was first reported, and to me it was describingE > > VideoText (much akin to today's teletext). The date of the patent@H > > fits in very well with that. IIRC it was basically a set of menus toG > > which the user responded by keying in a response (and again IIRC itiG > > could be an alphanumeric response vs the teletext numbers only idealD > > - e.g. CPQ for Compaq's stock price). The patent also went on toG > > describe suitable types of input device, along the lines of what weO: > > do nowadays to send an SMS message via a mobile phone. > F > Prestel days, and teletext. IIRC, when I read the claims, the datailB > that jumped out was that they had the cost as part of the 'link'D > and that that was the novel feature. IF that is so, all except the' > 'one click' retailers should be fine.p >gD Oh yes, Prestel fits the bill there. And related, something like 10 F years ago I had a customer who was running a travel agent system on a C combination of VTs and VideoText terminals - they were charged per nF packet over an X29 network, which didn't go well with the VMS idea of A echoing every character typed, so we were busy turning normal VT -  programs into "block mode" ones. ___9
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 04:04:48 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r  Subject: Re: There must be a way' Message-ID: <3C65F29C.580A2346@fsi.net>e  3 "bgInc. - You'll go where we want you to go" wrote:  > E > Alternatively you could use Glenn Everhart's VDDRIVER to create thea > illusion of multipleH > physical disks using container files on the actual disk. Sorry if this > has already been > mentioned...  C I'm partial to LD ((SYS$)LDDRIVER) myself, but that's just me. YMMVc
 considerably.s   -- F David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:43:40 +0000o From: nic <junk@127.0.0.1>Q Subject: Re: VMS usage in UK hospitals, was: Re: The Inq : The OpenVMS on ItaniumR) Message-ID: <3C65A61C.1F697790@127.0.0.1>s   Simon Clubley wrote:V > In article <3C640AED.EAEE2669@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:2 > > We'll be needing one of those in a few months. > & > Congratulations. Hope all goes well.  
 Thank you.  L > > The nice thing is, the first data about the to-be-born hits a VMS system5 > > and the ante-natal appointments come off an LA75.u >  > Which hospital is this ?  H Billinge Hospital, part of Wigan and Leigh and Wrightington trust. WiganG have PC front ends with terminal emulators, others use VT420's etc. ThepH system is common between Wigan Billinge and Leigh, but Wrightington is aD recent merger. Billinge is currently being featured in 'Midwives' on  Discovery Health (TV) in the UK.  G > Any other sightings of VMS systems in UK hospitals ? I didn't realisetC > that they were in common hospital use over here. As a data point, H > York General Hospital runs Tru64, or more accurately, during a visit aM > few months ago, I noticed they were advertising for Tru64 staff; no mentionh	 > of VMS.w  H NHS generally in the north west [of England] certainly was a big user ofE VMS, apart from my local knowledge, I'm not sure if this is still thed case.    -- y Regards, Nic Clews (from home), nic at python dot demon dot co dot uk (play) nclews at csc dot com (work)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Feb 2002 15:05:10 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young). Subject: Re: VPN clients3 Message-ID: <AFkXHIvH43Bc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <3C653F3F.F33BC362@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:C > Has anyone seen or heard of a VPN client.  I don't need one, justr) > curious to find out it it exist or not.T >   ? 	Yes, they exist.  Nortel's is called "Extranet Access Client."oB 	No idea what Cisco's is called , I am sure there are many others.   				Robf   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:30:59 -0500h1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>a Subject: Re: VPN clients2 Message-ID: <3C65B133.27F26B2C@firstdbasource.com>  A Duhhhh!!!  what I meant was: has anyone heard of a VPN Client forbH OpenVMS?  That'll teach me to hit send before re-reading what I wrote// @ I have used PC-based VPN clients but might need one to access an extranet via VMS.t     Rob Young wrote: > h > In article <3C653F3F.F33BC362@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:E > > Has anyone seen or heard of a VPN client.  I don't need one, just + > > curious to find out it it exist or not.h > >l > H >         Yes, they exist.  Nortel's is called "Extranet Access Client."K >         No idea what Cisco's is called , I am sure there are many others.  > % >                                 Robr   -- m   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.come   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.079 ************************