0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 11 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 81      Contents: Re: Am I being debugged? Bug Check #03C0  Re: Bug Check #03C0  Re: Bug Check #03C0  Re: Determining load average- Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?  Re: How to tail file? . Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready !. Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready !6 Re: JDK 1.3.1 past due (feature not found in the beta)0 Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS+ Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services? / Re: Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services? P Re: Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services?                                 " NFS mounts and RMS File Attributes Re: OT: Virus Warning  Re: OT: Virus Warning  Pathworks 32 on Windows XP% problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 3300 ) re: problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 3300 - Re: re: problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 3300 ) Re: problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 3300  Process system calls monitoring  Re: Question about Group ID  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  RE: setting the record straight  Re: setting the record straight  RE: setting the record straight  SMTP Spam Filter. P Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of     P Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      coA Re: Swiss ADSL - Any success with green.ch ADSL? Feedback please.  RE: The Vision Thing& Re: Using BACKUP to create directories& Re: Using BACKUP to create directories& Re: Using BACKUP to create directories& Re: Using BACKUP to create directories& Re: Using BACKUP to create directories- Re: Using BACKUP to create directories (long)  Working with RDB...  Re: Working with RDB...  Re: Working with RDB...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 20:37:17 -0800" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)! Subject: Re: Am I being debugged? = Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0202102037.796e1ee3@posting.google.com>   E I've never had need to fiddle with it however - assuming I understand D your question I seem to have some dim memory of a bit (byte?) in theE image header that controls this. The linker manual would be the place 	 to start.    Joe     d Peter Harding <harding@herald.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<3C666291.CC53D4F1@herald.ox.ac.uk>...
 > Howdy y'all  > F > Small question: how can my (C today, but tomorrow will be different)0 > program tell if it is being run in debug mode? > & > I'm not shy of system service calls. >  >  > Thanks very much!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:05:07 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org Subject: Bug Check #03C0/ Message-ID: <u6e663dbn0vj2c@corp.supernews.com>    Hello folks:  1 Does anyone know what is bug check message #03C0?   F With my VAX (TS10) emulator, I finally found a serious bug that cause J OpenVMS to crash quietly.  That were PROBER/PROBEW instructions.  I fixed I it and OpenVMS finally displayed date/time dialog prompt.  I did entered  H that.  Then OpenVMS displayed information about devices and asked me to J answer 'yes'.  I did.  Then finally a dollar.  I entered backup command to1 restore system disk.  That was highly successful.   G Then I rebooted system.  I encountered another two bugs but fixed them  E quickly.  It cause my VAX emulator system to crash into segmentation  J fault.  GNU debugger immediately showed me that is a bug. :-)  It was FFC 0 and EXTZV (bug in operand decoder) instructions.  I Then I booted OpenVMS through banner, time/date dialog, and the secondary E installation procedure banner then crashed quietly.  According to my  D debug.log, OpenVMS loaded LOGINOUT, DCL, DCLTABLES into memory then D executed STARTUP.INS.  Say statement (defined as 'write sys$output')B printed the 'OpenVMS VAX V7.2 Installation Procedure' then crashedH quietly with bug check #3C0 message.  Bugcheck message did not displayedF on my screen but my TS10 emulator recorded BUGW/BUGL instructions with& following message into debug.log file.  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 20:36:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Bug Check #03C03 Message-ID: <CpISxnomdo7R@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <u6e663dbn0vj2c@corp.supernews.com>, sword7@speakeasy.org writes: > Hello folks: > 3 > Does anyone know what is bug check message #03C0?   F > executed STARTUP.INS.  Say statement (defined as 'write sys$output')D > printed the 'OpenVMS VAX V7.2 Installation Procedure' then crashed& > quietly with bug check #3C0 message.  - Looking at V7.3, I see it as BUG$_SSRVEXCEPT.   5 You can see if is the same on V7.2 with the commands:    	$ ANALYZE/SYSTEM  	SDA> READ/EXEC  	SDA> EVALUATE BUG$_SSRVEXCEPT   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 20:51:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Bug Check #03C03 Message-ID: <XwfPT2h$nA6C@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <CpISxnomdo7R@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: N > In article <u6e663dbn0vj2c@corp.supernews.com>, sword7@speakeasy.org writes: >> Hello folks:  >>  4 >> Does anyone know what is bug check message #03C0? > G >> executed STARTUP.INS.  Say statement (defined as 'write sys$output') E >> printed the 'OpenVMS VAX V7.2 Installation Procedure' then crashed ' >> quietly with bug check #3C0 message.  > / > Looking at V7.3, I see it as BUG$_SSRVEXCEPT.  > 7 > You can see if is the same on V7.2 with the commands:  >  > 	$ ANALYZE/SYSTEM  > 	SDA> READ/EXEC   > 	SDA> EVALUATE BUG$_SSRVEXCEPT  ( And on V7.3 at least, you can also type:   	SDA> EXAMINE 3C0    to get:   & 	BUG$_SSRVEXCEPT:   00000000    "...."  A but some other version might have symbols other than the bugcheck  symbols in that range.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:17:51 +0000 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> % Subject: Re: Determining load average 6 Message-ID: <3C66C75E.7AD8894A@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  G Roy's right.  It was written in Macro.  Deals with disk queues and such 6 as well as CPU though so may do more than Ferry wants.  F If anyone has a port of LAVdriver for Alpha (or clues on what to do toE move it to Alpha) I'd be really grateful for it.  The code as-written G works OK on VAX (provided that you have the fix for V5 or it will quite , happily crash the system!) but not on Alpha.   Steve.     Roy Omond wrote: >  > Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > > Ferry Bolhar wrote: Q > > > I'm looking for a way to obtain the current CPU load average on VMS systems R > > > (VAX and Alpha), preferably something like 'w' or 'top' on UNIX systems. Are > > > there such tools?  > > > O > > > Or are there system services returning this information (unfortunately, I ) > > > have no programming documentation).  > > > + > > > VMS Versions are V6.2, V7.1 and V7.2.  > > = > > Many years ago I remember having seen a LAV device driver ! > > that could provide such info.  > > A > > I think it was part of a software package. CMU TCP/IP maybe ?  > > 7 > > Or maybe someone else has a better memory than me !  > ; > It was LAVdriver from Ken Adelman (of TGV/Multinet fame).  >  > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:58:26 +0100 ( From: Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?& Message-ID: <3C65B7A2.FF84DE01@gmx.de>   Peter da Silva schrieb: C > This means she's going to do to HP what Cortez did to the Aztecs?    No, to Compaq.   --   Bernd Paysan7 "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"  http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:37:18 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: How to tail file?' Message-ID: <3C66CBEE.B38A3CCE@aaa.com>    Tip:8 Add a "$ SET OUTPUT_RATE=00:00:nn" to your batch scripts6 to have the log file beeing updated more "continuous".5 This combined with type/tail/cont/int=n makes it easy 3 to follow the flow of teh batch job in "real-time".   # See "HELP SET OUTPUT_RATE examples"    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2002 00:33:54 GMT% From: svek <svekSPAM-NO-MORE@gmx.net> 7 Subject: Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready ! . Message-ID: <Xns91B210041CB4Dsvek@130.133.1.4>  4 "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in( news:u6bi6tgisf0v9c@news.supernews.com:    > FYI  > 3 > Our company makes around 20% on these systems - a  > @ > We make no money on shipping - the costs we have included were= > approximations from Federal Express that we have guaranteed  > 	 > David T  >  > -- > Island Computers US Corp.  > 2700 Gregory Street  > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 877 636 4332 ! > International: 001 912 447 6622 " > Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 > dbturner@hpaq.net  > www.hpaq.net  1 Sounds like a nice bargin for the buyer aswell :) J Say what would you charge for a AlphaServer 1200 (Dual 533Mhz processors, , 512 Ram) and a Tru64 non-commercial license?K I've had my eyes out for such a system for a long time now but never found   one. (Sorry for the OT everbody)    /svek    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:25:15 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>7 Subject: Re: In stock: ES40 Model 2 USD7895 VMS Ready ! * Message-ID: <3C671D7B.70907@tsoft-inc.com>   svek wrote:   6 > "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in* > news:u6bi6tgisf0v9c@news.supernews.com:  >  >  >>FYI  >>3 >>Our company makes around 20% on these systems - a  >>@ >>We make no money on shipping - the costs we have included were= >>approximations from Federal Express that we have guaranteed  >>	 >>David T  >> >>-- >>Island Computers US Corp.  >>2700 Gregory Street  >>Savannah GA 31404  >>Tel: 877 636 4332 ! >>International: 001 912 447 6622 " >>Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 >>dbturner@hpaq.net  >>www.hpaq.net >> > 3 > Sounds like a nice bargin for the buyer aswell :) L > Say what would you charge for a AlphaServer 1200 (Dual 533Mhz processors, . > 512 Ram) and a Tru64 non-commercial license?M > I've had my eyes out for such a system for a long time now but never found   > one. > (Sorry for the OT everbody)  >  > /svek  >   H Getting back on topic.  An entity in I believe Ohio must have access to A a bunch of 'Ultimate Workstation' Alphas, which appear to be the  H workstation equalivant of the dual 533 MHz AlphaStation 1200.  Has them D on EBAY frequently.  I've seen a bunch of 10 in one auction, asking H about 10 grand for the bunch.  That's about $1000 for the system, don't  remember how it's configured.   F It isn't something that I'm looking for right now, but they sure seem B like quite a workstation.  Questions include does VMS run on such I systems?  Can they support multiple users, as a server, or are they only  H workstations?  What's the real difference, other than the name?  What's 4 the price of a commercial VMS base license for such?  F Ok, a plug for David.  If a buyer doesn't know the answers to all the I questions, then buying from someone like Island Computers does take much  H of the risk out of shopping.  Hate to put out a grand, just to find out # I can run windoz NT service pack 6.   % Anybody know much about such systems?    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Feb 2002 01:33:50 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: JDK 1.3.1 past due (feature not found in the beta) ( Message-ID: <3c67116e@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <Vpj9GTHgb$qR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > F >   "late 2001" having come and gone, anyone have info on when we will, >   get a JDK for VMS that supports mozilla?  I Sorry, no. Personally, I did expect the Plug-In to come with the official 8 V1.3.1-1 but alas, it was only a guess, and I was wrong.  : So, all we can do is ask/beg and frequently check again at  / 	http://www.compaq.com/java/download/index.html    Maybe with V1.3.1-2 ?    -Peter   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111 2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111 888 < KAPSCH AG      Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:13:33 GMT   From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net>9 Subject: Re: Microsoft will stop "innovating" for a month + Message-ID: <3C6752EE.8B46DFCE@prodigy.net>   3 "bgInc. - You'll go where we want you to go" wrote:  >  > WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  > > B > > It appears to be a new usage of the word "innovating" as well. > > 
 > > WWWebb > E > But the innovation that will happen after a month of absention will  > surely be legendary.  * As measured by the degree of FUD, perhaps?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:16:37 GMT , From: Paul Mosteika <pmosteika@adelphia.net>) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS , Message-ID: <3C66C83F.851F8AB3@adelphia.net>   "Michael D. Ober" wrote:  I > How can I attach a file to a VMS generated SMTP Mail Message?  The file 2 > needs to appear as an attachement in MS-Outlook. >  > --	 > Thanks,  > Mike Ober.   Hello.  : The OpenVMS Mime Utility was introduced with version V7.2.  K You asked about a way to use a DCL procedure to add an attachment. Although O OpenVMS MIME was not written with BATCH and DCL scripts in mind (for the reason O of  message/partial files, ported from open code), you could use a procedure to J invoke it. I should change this as there have been others requesting BATCH support.  N Mime expects a file name as a P1 parameter as a MIME encoded file to be openedO for READ access (reading and using the EXTRACT command for decoding and writing ) the message part attachments to a file)..   '      $ MIME : = = $SYST$SYSTEM:MIME.EXE          $ MIME xx-file.mime-encoded         MIME> list ! list the parts  M      MIME> READ        ! read the text message, and others, (e.g. JPG images,  where anF                                      ! external application is defined (Netscape, XView,...) inM                                      ! MIME$MAILCAP.DAT that will accept that  image subtype).  The command:  !      MIME> OPEN/DRAFT xx_filename   L . . . allows opening a MIME encoded message to EDIT, REMOVE, ADD parts to an existing file.  6 So you could create a TEMPLATE file using the command:        MIME> NEW xx_filename  P This allows  you to edit some text that appears in the beginning of the message, and then save the file:   O      MIME> SAVE (or exit and it will prompt for saving).  ! It will MIME encode 	 the file,    ! in this case just add the    ! appropriate headers   H Once a template file exists, create a script that will invoke MIME, thenO OPEN/DRAFT the template file, ADD the attachments, then SAVE and MAIL the file. G The ADD command takes a quoted string for a Content-Type and subtype (" $ image/jpg"), and an encoding method.  I      MIME> ADD some_image.JPG /ENCODING=Base64  /CONTENT_TYPE="image/jpg"X  J The content type and encoding method can also be defined/customized in theA MIME$FILETYPES.DAT file so you can just merely add the file name.         MIME> HELPd  + . . . should help answer further questions.a  8 A new version of MIME is soon to become available: V1.6.    4                                        Paul Mosteika  2                                        10-Feb-2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:46:00 +0100m9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMSl' Message-ID: <3C66CDF8.818CDB18@aaa.com>t  A How could one *ever* consider *not* to make MIME batch-friendly ?s> If I'd like to send a MIME attachement "by-hand", I can always; use my PC. Using MIME in batch would be perhaps the largest  reason to use MIME on VMS.  3 As it is today, other tool are *far* easier to use.tC I prefer MPACK/MUNPACK (instead of MIME) for the MIME en-/de-coding @ and NBL (instead of SFF (?)) to send the MIME mails out from the  VMS system. Very batch-friendly.  < But then, of course I'd prefer if there was a better working *native* MIME tool on VMS.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.s   Paul Mosteika wrote: >  > "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > K > > How can I attach a file to a VMS generated SMTP Mail Message?  The filer4 > > needs to appear as an attachement in MS-Outlook. > >e > > -- > > Thanks,e > > Mike Ober. >  > Hello. > < > The OpenVMS Mime Utility was introduced with version V7.2. > M > You asked about a way to use a DCL procedure to add an attachment. Although Q > OpenVMS MIME was not written with BATCH and DCL scripts in mind (for the reasonAQ > of  message/partial files, ported from open code), you could use a procedure toAL > invoke it. I should change this as there have been others requesting BATCH
 > support. >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:14:50 +0100r' From: Bitnissen <bitnissen@hotmail.com>a) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS 8 Message-ID: <l6od6u8spvh82ctivf3j2oo4tbo5spf7kk@4ax.com>  D On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:46:00 +0100, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:   Hi jan 0  E I can find mpack/munpack on the freeware-cd, but where can i find NBL  ??  D By the way i have tried to use mailbox 0.7 and it can also mime-codeD the mail and send from a dcl command file, but it is not possible to$ alter the from e-mailaddress/domain.   Best Regards   Jimmi?  B >How could one *ever* consider *not* to make MIME batch-friendly ?? >If I'd like to send a MIME attachement "by-hand", I can always.< >use my PC. Using MIME in batch would be perhaps the largest >reason to use MIME on VMS.  >m4 >As it is today, other tool are *far* easier to use.D >I prefer MPACK/MUNPACK (instead of MIME) for the MIME en-/de-codingA >and NBL (instead of SFF (?)) to send the MIME mails out from the ! >VMS system. Very batch-friendly.  >e= >But then, of course I'd prefer if there was a better working  >*native* MIME tool on VMS.s >- >Jan-Erik Sderholm. >s >Paul Mosteika wrote:  >> : >> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:b >> eL >> > How can I attach a file to a VMS generated SMTP Mail Message?  The file5 >> > needs to appear as an attachement in MS-Outlook.O >> > >> > --r >> > Thanks, >> > Mike Ober.V >> n	 >> Hello.y >> t= >> The OpenVMS Mime Utility was introduced with version V7.2.p >>  N >> You asked about a way to use a DCL procedure to add an attachment. AlthoughR >> OpenVMS MIME was not written with BATCH and DCL scripts in mind (for the reasonR >> of  message/partial files, ported from open code), you could use a procedure toM >> invoke it. I should change this as there have been others requesting BATCH  >> support.i >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:40:25 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMSi& Message-ID: <3C66E8C9.5090704@home.nl>  H Using MIME from a batch procedure is indeed not to difficult. The way I  do it is as follows:   $Mime_procedure: $! $MIMEx open /draft <myfile-logical>B add <other-file-logical> /encoding=base64/content="some mime type" save exit $!  $! now the rest of the procedure  E Keep in mind that in the present version of MIME there is a bug that nE will not allow you to use a long draft message ! The message will be eE corrupted. I'm sure this problem will be gone in version 1.6, but at hH present you should not use more then a few lines. There is a workaround 9 for this problem, so if anyone is interested let me know.   G I'm also using SFF because with that program I have total control over n all (!!) e-mail headers.     Paul Mosteika wrote:   >" >"Michael D. Ober" wrote:e >oI >>How can I attach a file to a VMS generated SMTP Mail Message?  The file62 >>needs to appear as an attachement in MS-Outlook. >> >>--	 >>Thanks,k >>Mike Ober. >> >C >Hello.7 >i; >The OpenVMS Mime Utility was introduced with version V7.2.u >nL >You asked about a way to use a DCL procedure to add an attachment. AlthoughP >OpenVMS MIME was not written with BATCH and DCL scripts in mind (for the reasonP >of  message/partial files, ported from open code), you could use a procedure toK >invoke it. I should change this as there have been others requesting BATCHs	 >support.G >SO >Mime expects a file name as a P1 parameter as a MIME encoded file to be openedEP >for READ access (reading and using the EXTRACT command for decoding and writing* >the message part attachments to a file).. > ( >     $ MIME : = = $SYST$SYSTEM:MIME.EXE > ! >     $ MIME xx-file.mime-encodeds >-! >     MIME> list ! list the partsr >oN >     MIME> READ        ! read the text message, and others, (e.g. JPG images,	 >where anlG >                                     ! external application is defined7 >(Netscape, XView,...) inHN >                                     ! MIME$MAILCAP.DAT that will accept that >image subtype).
 >The command:m > " >     MIME> OPEN/DRAFT xx_filename >iM >. . . allows opening a MIME encoded message to EDIT, REMOVE, ADD parts to ant >existing file.m >a7 >So you could create a TEMPLATE file using the command:  >  >     MIME> NEW xx_filenamee > Q >This allows  you to edit some text that appears in the beginning of the message,L >and then save the file: >nP >     MIME> SAVE (or exit and it will prompt for saving).  ! It will MIME encode
 >the file, >0 >! in this case just add the >r >! appropriate headers >eI >Once a template file exists, create a script that will invoke MIME, then-P >OPEN/DRAFT the template file, ADD the attachments, then SAVE and MAIL the file.H >The ADD command takes a quoted string for a Content-Type and subtype ("% >image/jpg"), and an encoding method.  >'J >     MIME> ADD some_image.JPG /ENCODING=Base64  /CONTENT_TYPE="image/jpg" >sK >The content type and encoding method can also be defined/customized in theiB >MIME$FILETYPES.DAT file so you can just merely add the file name. >l >     MIME> HELP >h, >. . . should help answer further questions. >t9 >A new version of MIME is soon to become available: V1.6.h >y >m5 >                                       Paul Mosteika  > 3 >                                       10-Feb-2002  >' >o >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:46:08 GMT % From: Peter Kukla <nospam@nospam.com>i4 Subject: Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services?> Message-ID: <QfG98.35810$s43.10987607@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>  A I'm new to the VMS-administration world.  Apologies if this is a t stupid question.  B I have a MicroVAX running OpenVMS 7.2.  I would like to get it on @ my network so I can telnet into it and stop squinting at my tiny VT-420.n  @ As near as I can tell, I need to get the TCPIP-IP-CLIENT pak to @ accomplish this.  Since licensing for that doesn't seem to be inB the hobbyist's Layered Products list, I'm not sure how to proceed.  7 Who should I contact for this?  How much would it cost?a  	 Thanks...    -peter   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 20:53:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h8 Subject: Re: Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services?3 Message-ID: <lgg4TQGcLsfH@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  f In article <QfG98.35810$s43.10987607@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>, Peter Kukla <nospam@nospam.com> writes:  D > I have a MicroVAX running OpenVMS 7.2.  I would like to get it on B > my network so I can telnet into it and stop squinting at my tiny	 > VT-420.i > B > As near as I can tell, I need to get the TCPIP-IP-CLIENT pak to B > accomplish this.  Since licensing for that doesn't seem to be inD > the hobbyist's Layered Products list, I'm not sure how to proceed.  C The UCX PAK in your hobbyist Layered Product kit will have the same? effect.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:32:25 GMT.% From: Peter Kukla <nospam@nospam.com>TY Subject: Re: Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services?                                 t> Message-ID: <tPH98.36162$s43.11107594@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>  ? Thanks...that did it.  I've gotten it on the network, and I can  telnet/ftp into it.l  B There's an odd lag after I login, as if it's not properly flushingC data to the network interface or something.  ftp works fine though.u  B Thanks muchly for the advice.  FTP access in particular is a major help.0   -peter    3 In article <lgg4TQGcLsfH@eisner.encompasserve.org>,c. Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:g >In article <QfG98.35810$s43.10987607@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>, Peter Kukla <nospam@nospam.com> writes:p >gD >> I have a MicroVAX running OpenVMS 7.2.  I would like to get it onC >> my network so I can telnet into it and stop squinting at my tinyu
 >> VT-420. >>B >> As near as I can tell, I need to get the TCPIP-IP-CLIENT pak toC >> accomplish this.  Since licensing for that doesn't seem to be in6E >> the hobbyist's Layered Products list, I'm not sure how to proceed.  >                                                                                                                                           >The UCX PAK in your hobbyist Layered Product kit will have the same >effect.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:12:37 GMT-- From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com> + Subject: NFS mounts and RMS File Attributesu( Message-ID: <3C6752C3.E119537F@home.com>  
 Greetings!  H I am NFS mounting a Linux server to my OpenVMS v6.2 system with UCX v4.14 ECO 10 with read/write permissions to OpenVMS users.  F A user wants to use FORTRAN to create data files and HTML (i.e., text)I files on the disk volume which is actually the NFS-mounted drive from thes remote Linux system.  D From the OpenVMS side, things are fine.  The HTML files are readableK since they are created with a Record Format of "variable length".  HOWEVER,>B they are not readable from the Linux side (i.e., by the Apache webG server which needs to serve the data and HTML files).  If I convert the.G text HTML files to a "Stream_LF" format (by using ZIP/UnZIP), the Linux  side is happy.  H However, I would like to make this as seamless as possible as there willH be many tens of thousands of data/HTML files in the end and I don't wantK to have to re-process them every time.  They need to be correct as they are 
 generated.  > Is there some way to make NFS create files with certain types?D Or, can any FORTRAN expert suggest a (simple!?!) method of opening aD "Stream_LF" file instead of either the "FORTRAN Carriage Control" orJ "Variable Length" record format types?  Is there some trick I could use toJ let C I/O open the file but still allow FORTRAN write statements output toD it?  I know when I use C I/O to open a text file, it would be in the/ correct format for the Linux side to view also.e  A BTW, since the variable length files have extra bytes leading them  records, I can't just simply use  1     $ Set File /Attribute=(RFM:STMLF) [...]*.htmla  H Can I?  What would happen to the record length bytes?  I certainly don't. want them absorbed into the files contents. :)   Thanks for your help!s
 Rick Dyson --J Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ  _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group2 | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Health CareJ | \_/ | _| |_   Health Care Information Systems BT1000 GH  O: 319/384-7016J  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 12:27:36 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: OT: Virus Warning= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202101227.34510ce1@posting.google.com>f  Z "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<ORv98.482$Yf1.2586@typhoon.bart.nl>...< > My W98 system got infected by a virus 9 Feb 13:00 (UCT+1).L > It was a W32/Magic32 virus that transmits itself via the Outlook (Express) > address book.lC > Sophos cleaned the system. If you received email from my account,l! > please remove it; don't opn it.  > , > My apologies for not noticing this sooner. >  > Hans Vlems  A I pre-read my mail w/vms mail, so I don't worry about viruses ...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:38:35 +0100  From: "B. Eckstein" <be@cli.de>N Subject: Re: OT: Virus Warning% Message-ID: <3C66DA4B.7090801@cli.de>y   Bob Ceculski wrote:4\ > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message news:<ORv98.482$Yf1.2586@typhoon.bart.nl>... > < >>My W98 system got infected by a virus 9 Feb 13:00 (UCT+1).L >>It was a W32/Magic32 virus that transmits itself via the Outlook (Express) >>address book.eC >>Sophos cleaned the system. If you received email from my account,g! >>please remove it; don't opn it.t >>, >>My apologies for not noticing this sooner. >> >>Hans Vlems >> > C > I pre-read my mail w/vms mail, so I don't worry about viruses ...a  " Mozilla rulez ;-) Even on OpenVMS.     --    B.Eckstein, - mailto:be@epost.de5 FAQ zu de.comp.hardware.netzwerke: http://how.to/dchns   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Feb 2002 05:05:13 GMT# From: casinoop2@aol.com (CasinoOp2)6# Subject: Pathworks 32 on Windows XPi9 Message-ID: <20020211000513.25320.00000684@mb-fm.aol.com>   M Does anyone know of a version of Pathworks 32 that works with Windows XP? TheoG version I have (7.2?) loads find on Windows NT, but fails on Windows XP O ("unsupported operating system"). When I look at the Compaq site, I cannot finde6 a version of Pathworks for XP. Am I missing something?      Clark Calkins, programmer   Schafer Corp   ccalkins@schaferlabs.com   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2002 20:30:34 GMT. From: Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de>. Subject: problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 33002 Message-ID: <a46l9a$c6$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>   Hi,t  F I just became the proud owner of an old MicroVAX 3300. It came with anD R215F expansion box. Both contain one harddisk each. The whole thingE looks pretty clean, but it doesn't even power up. I can switch eitherh5 of the boxes on, but only the power switch lights up. C The rest stays quiet. No noise from the fans, no console output, no  sign of life at all.E The battery behind the CPU bulkhead looks bad. If it was a flashlight C I would throw it away completely. The CPU board however looks fine.eF Any idea what could be wrong with my new little toy? It should boot up with a dead battery, right?$  < QBus configuration is as follows from the right to the left:  	 KA640 CPUM two MS650 memory boards I CXY08 board. (What's that for btw? I heard that it was a tape controller)t TQK70 tape controller D one unknown 3rd party board that has two 50 pin connectors that look suspicious like internal SCSI.   TIAd Dennis   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:04:13 GMTe0 From: "P. Thompson" <thompson-nospam@new.rr.com>2 Subject: re: problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 3300J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0202101602420.31585-100000@malacandra.localnet>  3 Do the lights on the H7868 power supplies light up?   N/ Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de> wrote:e > Hi,a  H > I just became the proud owner of an old MicroVAX 3300. It came with anF > R215F expansion box. Both contain one harddisk each. The whole thingG > looks pretty clean, but it doesn't even power up. I can switch eithern7 > of the boxes on, but only the power switch lights up. E > The rest stays quiet. No noise from the fans, no console output, noe > sign of life at all.G > The battery behind the CPU bulkhead looks bad. If it was a flashlightsE > I would throw it away completely. The CPU board however looks fine. H > Any idea what could be wrong with my new little toy? It should boot up > with a dead battery, right?-  > > QBus configuration is as follows from the right to the left:   > KA640 CPUh > two MS650 memory boardscK > CXY08 board. (What's that for btw? I heard that it was a tape controller)t > TQK70 tape controllercF > one unknown 3rd party board that has two 50 pin connectors that look  > suspicious like internal SCSI.   > TIAy > Dennis   -- n6 Lord, protect me from those to whom you speak directly* Leave the nospam in, correct email address   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Feb 2002 23:50:02 GMT+ From: "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu>F6 Subject: Re: re: problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 3300, Message-ID: <a470va$hrl$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  / P. Thompson <thompson-nospam@new.rr.com> wrote:M  5 > Do the lights on the H7868 power supplies light up?r >   1 > Dennis Grevenstein <dennis@pcde.inka.de> wrote:t >> Hi,  I >> I just became the proud owner of an old MicroVAX 3300. It came with anaG >> R215F expansion box. Both contain one harddisk each. The whole thing H >> looks pretty clean, but it doesn't even power up. I can switch either8 >> of the boxes on, but only the power switch lights up.F >> The rest stays quiet. No noise from the fans, no console output, no >> sign of life at all. H >> The battery behind the CPU bulkhead looks bad. If it was a flashlightF >> I would throw it away completely. The CPU board however looks fine.I >> Any idea what could be wrong with my new little toy? It should boot up- >> with a dead battery, right?  ? >> QBus configuration is as follows from the right to the left::   >> KA640 CPU >> two MS650 memory boardsL >> CXY08 board. (What's that for btw? I heard that it was a tape controller)  E Serial port card, an "octopus cable plugs into it's connector to givei multiple connections.    >> TQK70 tape controllerG >> one unknown 3rd party board that has two 50 pin connectors that lookl! >> suspicious like internal SCSI.m   >> TIA	 >> Dennisb8 > Lord, protect me from those to whom you speak directly, > Leave the nospam in, correct email address   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:28:57 -0500d  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>2 Subject: Re: problems with a (dead?) MicroVAX 33004 Message-ID: <1020210192051.917B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On 10 Feb 2002, Dennis Grevenstein wrote:r   > Hi,  > H > I just became the proud owner of an old MicroVAX 3300. It came with anF > R215F expansion box. Both contain one harddisk each. The whole thingG > looks pretty clean, but it doesn't even power up. I can switch eithera7 > of the boxes on, but only the power switch lights up.EE > The rest stays quiet. No noise from the fans, no console output, now > sign of life at all.G > The battery behind the CPU bulkhead looks bad. If it was a flashlightnE > I would throw it away completely. The CPU board however looks fine.TH > Any idea what could be wrong with my new little toy? It should boot up > with a dead battery, right?  >   G I think so.  Many of these systems used a 3-pack of standard AA NiCad'seF wired in a series.  You should be able to solder one up pretty easily.F Scrounge the connector off the bad battery pack.  (MV-II, MV 3600, VAXH 4000-200 all used the same battery pack.  I don't know about the MV3300, but it was the same vintage.)t  > > QBus configuration is as follows from the right to the left: >  > KA640 CPU  > two MS650 memory boards K > CXY08 board. (What's that for btw? I heard that it was a tape controller)-  H No, it's an 8-line serial MUX.  There should be a pair of octopus cablesD (actually, quadra-pus?) fanning out to 4 25-pin RS232 "D" connectorsF each.  It's a member of the DHV/DHQ/DHU family (uses the same drivers)& and I think it has full modem control.   > TQK70 tape controllereF > one unknown 3rd party board that has two 50 pin connectors that look  > suspicious like internal SCSI.  E Q-bus SCSI is a rare and precious commodity.  Your disks are probably.C DSSI.  I think there is a DSSI controller (and Ethernet) on the CPU D board.  If you can post any identifying info, someone should be able to identify it.i   > TIAi > Dennis   -- m John Santos' Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:38:39 +0100"' From: Jiri Kulhan <lars.nospam@post.cz>a( Subject: Process system calls monitoring2 Message-ID: <CFN372980685102662@news.felk.cvut.cz>   Hi=2C   I is there a way=2Ftool to monitor system calls made by another process in eI realtime=3F I'm looking for something similar to strace tool for Linux=2Eo  	 Thanks=2Cs   Jiri   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:35:07 -0500h* From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID) Message-ID: <3C66CB6B.9060700@compaq.com>    Sammy wrote:   > Hi:c > > >   I am trying to port an Unix app to VMS and having a little  > trouble with getting group ID. > C >   Basically, I want to know if there exist a similiar function ind > OpenVMS like:  > . > struct group * getgrnam(const char* grpname) >   H As Larry mentioned, the group portion of a file's UIC isn't the same as  the group in Unix.  G The COE version of OpenVMS introduced GID support (via an ACL) and the  E CRTL added all the group entry points (including getgrnam).  I'm not eH sure when all of this stuff gets rolled into the mainline OpenVMS (some % items are coming sooner than others).   E In the meantime, you'll have to make do, and don't confuse the group tE portion of the UIC as a Unix GID just like you shouldn't confuse the a) "owner" portion of a UIC with a Unix UID.d     -- t John ReaganE' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:03:58 -0500E5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ( Subject: Re: setting the record straight0 Message-ID: <9sz98.121$Jh4.532@news.cpqcorp.net>  F Let's see.  It is 32-bit, which means that the code base that would beK natural to use (Alpha) can't be easily used.  Does IA32 have 4 modes?  What J are it's MP synchronization characteristics?  Does this mean we get a niceJ $1000 system, but no high-end?  Just the tip the the iceberg.  VMS on IA32D would likely be a quite a bit different than VMS today.  Maybe it isK something interesting, but does it *really* solve any customer needs if theGH migration path is from a 64-architecture that does SMP well, to a 32-bit1 architecture that doesn't scale well past 4 CPUs?i  D Frankly, Power4 is probably a better fit than IA32.  Or perhaps even	 "Hammer".E  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3C65F1B2.FDEE9A29@fsi.net...o > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >   > > John McLean wrote in message, <3C64129D.7C2D075A@swissonline.delete.ch>... > > >  > > >  > > >Bill Todd wrote:  > > >>G > > >> "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in messagem0 > > >> news:vfS88.38$Jh4.269@news.cpqcorp.net... > > >> > > > >... > > >> > > > >> > What's to discuss?3 > > >>J > > >> A great deal less now than there should have been prior to the June 25thK > > >> announcement.  That's the point:  an undamaged Alpha until such time  asL > > >> Itanic's future was in a great deal less doubt *was* the obvious Plan Bn > > (and > > >> not just for VMS).I > > >> > > >e > >gJ > > The Corporation has made the decision/gamble based on things I may not haveJ > > insight into, that Itanium will succeed.  Cutting off Alpha now free's other J > > resources and money.  The stuff already in the pipeline gets us to the point G > > where Itanium is ready.  If they are wrong, then we all get burned.m Only > > time will tell.r >K > Dare I say it? >RJ > In such case, IA32 would make an excellent Plan-B. Breaks the Alpha tiesJ > and get you onto many millions of Proliants, etc. where VMS is currentlyG > locked out. Of course, you can't support every mobo/chipset - this isoD > understadn and/or taken as given. Having the option of a supportedI > mobo/chipset would break the Alpha ties as easily regardless of whethera > the CPU is IA32 or IA64. >tH > ...except of course that "the industry" is currently IA32, and IA64 is4 > still a dream waiting to be - kinda like OVMS/x86. >i: > ...but hey, what do I know - I'm just a low-grade moron. >t > -- > David J. Dachteraa > dba DJE Systemst > http://www.djesys.com/ >-* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:41:32 -0500 * From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com>( Subject: Re: setting the record straight) Message-ID: <3C66CCEC.9080100@compaq.com>n  H Fred already mentioned the 2-mode vs 4-mode issue.  The work required to$ handle this would be large I'm sure.  H The other one (speaking from a compiler point-of-view and in particular I a Macro-32 compiler point of view) is the absolutely small register set.  B   Imagine the "lovely" code you'd get trying to map the VAX/Alpha I register set onto the IA32 register set.  I'd imagine we'd have to shove 3G all the VAX registers to global memory locations and make all sorts of s1 massive interface changes.  Not for the squimish.I         -- o John Reagan>' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leadert   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:58:04 -0500t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: setting the record straight, Message-ID: <3C66DED2.CF0D5F3B@videotron.ca>   John Reagan wrote:J > Fred already mentioned the 2-mode vs 4-mode issue.  The work required to& > handle this would be large I'm sure.  M I agree that porting to the 8086 is moot. However, the next possible port forr? "commodity" hardware would be porting to  Power to run on Macs.-  I Would Power have the needed goodies to run VMS without too much problem ?k  L How about porting VMS to run on Sun hardware ? Think of the potential marketG with all those companies having heaps of Sun hardware already in-house.r   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 16:37:08 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ( Subject: Re: setting the record straight3 Message-ID: <rL5lntHfbCEX@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  V In article <3C66CCEC.9080100@compaq.com>, John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com> writes:  J > The other one (speaking from a compiler point-of-view and in particular K > a Macro-32 compiler point of view) is the absolutely small register set.  D >   Imagine the "lovely" code you'd get trying to map the VAX/Alpha K > register set onto the IA32 register set.  I'd imagine we'd have to shove nI > all the VAX registers to global memory locations and make all sorts of h3 > massive interface changes.  Not for the squimish.s  A Sounds like great job security for whoever maintains Macro-32 :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:40:39 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s( Subject: Re: setting the record straight' Message-ID: <3C671452.FE73A185@fsi.net>e   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > * > On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Froble wrote: >  > >aH > >                                                       In a time whenK > > both Intel and AMD are moving to 64 bit CPUs, migrating back to 32 bitsI) > > is, to put it mildly, not very smart.  > G > True, but then, killing the future of the only 64bit processor it wassH > currently running on before a replacement actually existed wasn't very > smart either.u  + ...which brings us pretty much full circle..   Take it away, Bill Todd...   --   David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:38:26 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y( Subject: Re: setting the record straight' Message-ID: <3C6713CC.E68BE7CD@fsi.net>r   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > H > Let's see.  It is 32-bit, which means that the code base that would be/ > natural to use (Alpha) can't be easily used. _   Sound like VAX -> Alpha, huh?    > Does IA32 have 4 modes?   - I believe so - open to correction, as always.b   > What/ > are it's MP synchronization characteristics? k  E Dunno. NT/W2K and Linux seem to do well enough (Pentium class, at the0 very least).   > Does this mean we get a nice! > $1000 system, but no high-end? 9  D Why does it have to be one or the other? Can't we have both? Low- toG medium-scale under IA32, then medium-large- to very-large-scale on IA64e2 (and Alpha until IA64 becomes a practical reality?    > Just the tip the the iceberg.   & Welcome to Commercial Data Processing.  
 > VMS on IA32 : > would likely be a quite a bit different than VMS today.   D At least as far as VAX (32 bit) Vs. Alpha (64 bit), yes, no doubt it would.  
 > Maybe it is-M > something interesting, but does it *really* solve any customer needs if thenJ > migration path is from a 64-architecture that does SMP well, to a 32-bit3 > architecture that doesn't scale well past 4 CPUs?v  F If that's where the competition (NT/W2K, Linux, etc.) is, then yeah, IE guess so. After all, that's where they (the customers) are now. So, It9 gotta ask the question - who got left behind: us or them?o  F > Frankly, Power4 is probably a better fit than IA32.  Or perhaps even > "Hammer".   E Really? How many Power4 Proliants has Compaq sold this (fiscal) year?nH What about Dell? ...other major server players (other than IBM, I mean)?  D If reducing "hardware dependence" is the goal, as some would seem to? indicate, then certain issues must be dealt with. Example: IPF.d   -- h David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/O   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:13:24 -05002- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o( Subject: Re: setting the record straight, Message-ID: <3C6736D3.9871426F@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:G > Really? How many Power4 Proliants has Compaq sold this (fiscal) year?mJ > What about Dell? ...other major server players (other than IBM, I mean)?  I Nobody cares about Compaq. Compaq ceases to exist in a couple of months. cJ Yeah, the odds are that HP will force its divisions to stay with the loserP IA64 chip. But just in case HP does wake up, Power will be the only option left.  J For what its worth, a firend of mine who works for a graphics company thatH does a lot of business with Hollywood has told me that their company hasN realised that their SGI based software may turn out to be a liability later onM because of the lack of a certain future for SGI so their company is embarqing L on a project to make their software less dependant on any hardware/operatingL system, and they want it to run on NT (whcih is seen as a low cost solution)< in order to compete against any competition which may arise.    L Now, Compaq and HP are hardware companies. If they are stuck with some loserI architecture, tough luck.  They could and should be architecture neutral,nV producing machines of different architectures to fit the needs of different customers.  K Compaq is essentially saying that a single pair of jeans will fit everyone.tJ IBM on the other hand realises that some people need black tie suits, someM need business suits, some need business casual and some need casual. IBM even-H makes underwear and is willing to sell it to those who want to put other people's suits over it.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:38:42 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>a( Subject: RE: setting the record straightT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4016CE9F9@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   H >>> and they want it to run on NT (whcih is seen as a low cost solution) <<<5  F Unless things have changed drastically, while cost is always an issue,B the really big driver for these Hollywood types is performance.=20  6 Thats why they bought SGI products in the first place.   Regardsa  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.e Professional Services. Voice: 613-592-4660d Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  Sent: February 10, 2002 10:13 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( Subject: Re: setting the record straight     "David J. Dachtera" wrote:G > Really? How many Power4 Proliants has Compaq sold this (fiscal) year?0C > What about Dell? ...other major server players (other than IBM, It mean)?  H Nobody cares about Compaq. Compaq ceases to exist in a couple of months.  D Yeah, the odds are that HP will force its divisions to stay with the loseroC IA64 chip. But just in case HP does wake up, Power will be the onlym option left.  E For what its worth, a firend of mine who works for a graphics company: thatH does a lot of business with Hollywood has told me that their company hasE realised that their SGI based software may turn out to be a liabilityd later onC because of the lack of a certain future for SGI so their company ise	 embarqingr9 on a project to make their software less dependant on anyd hardware/operatingB system, and they want it to run on NT (whcih is seen as a low cost	 solution)h< in order to compete against any competition which may arise.    F Now, Compaq and HP are hardware companies. If they are stuck with some loser @ architecture, tough luck.  They could and should be architecture neutral,A producing machines of different architectures to fit the needs ofg different customers.  A Compaq is essentially saying that a single pair of jeans will fitt	 everyone.dE IBM on the other hand realises that some people need black tie suits,e someH need business suits, some need business casual and some need casual. IBM evenH makes underwear and is willing to sell it to those who want to put other people's suits over it.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:57:44 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n( Subject: Re: setting the record straight, Message-ID: <3C674134.2AC178DA@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > Unless things have changed drastically, while cost is always an issue,A > the really big driver for these Hollywood types is performance.e > 8 > Thats why they bought SGI products in the first place.  K But they want to invest in a platform that has a clear future and one where01 they won't be undercut by a potential competitor.>  K Note that Microsoft had tried to enter that market some years ago by buying1H the company that had gained fame from Jurasic Park. Problem is that MS'sN involvement caused many key staff to leave and start their own company (takingG with them the Hollywood customers). MS had to sell what was left of thetM company to some graphics company. Meanwhile the smaller company was purchased M by a very large graphics company renowned for CAD/CAM, and is doing very welltI because they were able to stay on the platform that worked best for these J applications (SGI). It is that company which is now starting to look for aA long term direction because they are not sure about SGI's future.   N The issue here is that many VMS applications are quite tied to VMS, making useM of its neat features. But many customers will start to realise that without aoM clear future, they should stop using those VMS specific features and start to  make their code portable.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:35:54 -0500e+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>t( Subject: RE: setting the record straightT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1C77@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  A >>> But many customers will start to realise that without a clearaG future, they should stop using those VMS specific features and start tor make their code portable.<<<  F That is what is happening today on almost all platforms. Customers andH ISV's are attracted to java and J2EE as it reduces their dependancies on specific platform vendors.  @ And fwiw, what many Customers today are looking at is "how can I< maximize my current investments, and yet still introduce newE technologies that allow me to meet my new business requirements" e.g.d1 browser and PDA and/or mobile devices access etc)c  F As an example of one such solution (another new Java based application& for OpenVMS), check out the following:0 http://www.dataglider.com/solutions/openvms.html  ' And here is a new J2EE app for OpenVMS:6< http://www.lutris.com/company/pressReleases/Press020204.html   Regards:  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantl Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660s Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  Sent: February 10, 2002 10:58 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr( Subject: Re: setting the record straight     "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > Unless things have changed drastically, while cost is always an issue,A > the really big driver for these Hollywood types is performance.C >=208 > Thats why they bought SGI products in the first place.  E But they want to invest in a platform that has a clear future and onet whereo1 they won't be undercut by a potential competitor.e  D Note that Microsoft had tried to enter that market some years ago by buyingH the company that had gained fame from Jurasic Park. Problem is that MS'sF involvement caused many key staff to leave and start their own company (takinguG with them the Hollywood customers). MS had to sell what was left of theiC company to some graphics company. Meanwhile the smaller company wass	 purchasedoH by a very large graphics company renowned for CAD/CAM, and is doing very wellC because they were able to stay on the platform that worked best foro theseeH applications (SGI). It is that company which is now starting to look for aaA long term direction because they are not sure about SGI's future.M  C The issue here is that many VMS applications are quite tied to VMS, 
 making useC of its neat features. But many customers will start to realise that 	 without a:D clear future, they should stop using those VMS specific features and start to make their code portable.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:52:27 -0500b1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: SMTP Spam Filter.2 Message-ID: <3C673FFB.9B3BC6A9@firstdbasource.com>  G If anyone is interested, I have modified the TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.COM toiH added a section that not only checks the ORBS.ORG for spam abusers (from? FAQ I think), but also I have a local indexed file that uses IP G addresses as the primary key and will reject messages if they originate G from this address along with a command procedure to properly format andpF insert records into this file.  But I would caution you to at least do9 some investigation as to the origin of the spammer first.3 -- B Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163a7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com. Sr. Consultant   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:11:51 GMTr, From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})Y Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of     o% Message-ID: <1013375511snz@dsl.co.uk>   / In article <JKv98.137$d37.2217@news.get2net.dk>u3            nico@farumdata.dk "Nico de Jong" writes:   < > We are enjoying a TV-serie "Constable" for the time being.  F If that's set in Yorkshire, it's probably the series originally called> "Heartbeat" in the UK.  About a fictional Yorkshire small townF [Ashfordleigh] not far from Whitby, in the 1960s, with much filming on3 the North Yorkshire Moors Railway around Goathland?o  J >                                                           We also _LOVE_E > the James Herriot series. The language they speak is just beautiful   D Good heavens; I was talking to my partner about this not an hour agoD (when she was settling down to watch Heartbeat; indeed, she is still? watching it as I write:-)  Those "It shouldn;t happen to a vet" 4 programmes were made about twenty years ago, though.  I > > But yup, Scots was influenced more by the Vikings, and apparently hasnJ > > a lot of common roots with modern Danish or Swedish, where English has@ > > a lot of Dutch in it. And of course the French and Germanic. > --N > Quite right. Look at all those citynames with ....by. BY is the scandinavian > word for... cityF > A special name comes to my mind (it is not my intention to embarrass8 > anyone): Grimsby. "Grim" is the danish word for "ugly"  H I used to live on the west coast of the Lake District (nowadays Cumbria,F before that Cumberland, and back in the 12th century still part of theF Kingdom of Strathclyde, not of England at all).  Many many place names@ are of Viking origin, with endings such as -by, -scale, -thorpe, -thwaite, -gate.  F Whilst speaking of dialect, when I first went to work in that area, weF had one of our "issue drivers" who was officially past retirement age.I He had a wealth of stories about the local dialect[1]; one which he found2H particularly amusing was that his part of the family, being on the coastH (where the railway brought long-distance communication in the mid-C19th)I had no problem in talking with other people from villages up and down theeF coast, whereas his cousins, who lived in the village of Ulpha (anotherF Viking name, I'd conjecture) could hardly be understood by himself andG other close relatives, even though they lived only EIGHT miles away (as ! the buzzard flies) over the fell.0  D [1] In Cumbria, they're still quite proud of their "sheep score", inD which they count in twenties, beginning "Yan, tan, tithera, mithera,F pimp, sethera, lethera, hovera, dovera, dick..."  It's clear that thisG has originally a Celtic basis.  Back in the early 1970s someone did his F PhD at Lancaster University on "sheep scores", documenting their usageF even in "civilized" parts of the UK (like Epping Forest, less then tenE miles from London) as late as the 19th century, and showing that they H were all cognate.  He'd even found reports of some native American tribeE (the Wawentoc Indians) being discovered in northern Maine in the veryhH early 16th century using a similar counting method: which must give someE credence to the idea that the Welshman Madoc did go to America in theg first millennium AD.   -- -M Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.ukmM     "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one ofkM     distributed ignorance.  And we know and understand less while being incr-nM     easingly capable."              Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labsd   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 03:42:41 GMTg) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>nY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      coe' Message-ID: <3C6759E1.929AADDF@ev1.net>    Brian {Hamilton Kelly} wrote:r > 1 > In article <JKv98.137$d37.2217@news.get2net.dk>-5 >            nico@farumdata.dk "Nico de Jong" writes:m > . >      [snip...]      [snip...]      [snip...] > F > [1] In Cumbria, they're still quite proud of their "sheep score", inF > which they count in twenties, beginning "Yan, tan, tithera, mithera,H > pimp, sethera, lethera, hovera, dovera, dick..."  It's clear that thisI > has originally a Celtic basis.  Back in the early 1970s someone did his H > PhD at Lancaster University on "sheep scores", documenting their usageH > even in "civilized" parts of the UK (like Epping Forest, less then tenG > miles from London) as late as the 19th century, and showing that they J > were all cognate.  He'd even found reports of some native American tribeG > (the Wawentoc Indians) being discovered in northern Maine in the veryyJ > early 16th century using a similar counting method: which must give someG > credence to the idea that the Welshman Madoc did go to America in the8 > first millennium AD. >  > --A The Wewentoc Indians and the Cumbrians counting the same way...totC me says that they were *both* effected by the Vikings. It is pretty B well known that the Vikings visited the coast of Maine long before$ Columbus ever set foot in America...   -- a? +-------------------------------------------------------------+e? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   | ? +-------------------------------------------------------------+N   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:09:21 -0500.1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> J Subject: Re: Swiss ADSL - Any success with green.ch ADSL? Feedback please.2 Message-ID: <3C66EF91.2E800BC4@firstdbasource.com>   Paul Sture wrote:- >  > Hoi zusamme! > E > I have just wasted a lot of time and money (2 Sfr per minute on theeG > support line) trying to get my ADSL connection working. It fails withlA > an authentication error and the support guy finally suggested a B > hardware problem, either with the ADSL box or the Swisscom line. > D > Has anyone out there had success with green.ch, or should I simply, > cancel the contract and send the kit back? >    Definately off topic... :) l  G Make sure it is an Ethernet modem and get a DSL/Cable-ready Router/Hub.tH the username/password will be entered in the PPPoE config. I am not sure< how the telco service/protocols work in Switzerland, but try< username@providersdomain.{com|net}  (ie.  myname@myisp.com )  - What platform, software, modem are you using?a   > mfgO > ___p > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandy   -- a Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163D7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comn Sr. Consultant   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:39:11 -0500c+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>F Subject: RE: The Vision Thing T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1C71@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,w  F >>>> Funny, as far as the PowerPC version of NT, the story I had heardD was that it was Microsoft that dropped support for it because of low	 sales.<<<c  , Amazing how history changes over time ...=20   :-)D  D There is no question that IBM dropped NT first. Microsoft was merely reacting to the move by IBM.  1 Feb 1997 - when Microsoft made their announcemente? http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/Feb97/PowerPr.aspa  H I saved the IBM announcement press article (good thing since I could not= find it online anymore). I'll send you the html file offline.A  1 And when IBM made their announcement: (note date)    +++o December 17, 1996 11:00 AM ETs9 Motorola follows IBM's lead, drops NT support for PowerPCh  H Motorola Corp. has followed IBM's lead and dropped its plans for support3 of Windows NT on the PowerPC because of poor sales.   G Company officials said Monday that Motorola will continue to support NT H 4.0 and subsequent maintenance releases but will stop short of releasingF machines with NT 5, which is due around the end of next year. The only@ Motorola product to be affected is the PowerStac II workstation.  B As a result of the decision, Motorola will continue to manufactureB PowerPC chips for embedded systems and for the Macintosh operatingE system because both markets are doing well, a company spokesman said.h  E According to a spokesman with IBM's RS/6000 division, the decision to F discontinue sales PowerPC-based NT systems was mutually decided by IBM
 and Motorola.t  C Although the RS/6000 division manufactures PowerPC systems that rundF either AIX or NT, AIX-based systems accounted for more than 90 percent of sales, company sources said.g  H While it has dropped NT sales, Motorola expects to sell 50,000 MacintoshE clones this year and has contracted with several manufacturers to user1 embedded PowerPC chips, including Xerox and Ford.:  A A Motorola spokesman said that the company also is looking at theB? possibility of using an embedded version of NT for those chips.n  C In addition, Motorola will continue to work with Microsoft Corp. to5D support Windows CE, an operating system designed for non-PC devices.   .. more in html file km.   +++s   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.r Professional Servicesc Voice: 613-592-4660r Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  Sent: February 10, 2002 11:25 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml Subject: Re: The Vision Thing]     "Main, Kerry" wrote:' > - IBM dropped NT on their HW platformj( > - MIPS dropped NT on their HW platform3 > - and finally Compaq dropped NT on their platform   E Funny, as far as the PowerPC version of NT, the story I had heard wase that ite? was Microsoft that dropped support for it because of low sales.m  D When NT first came out, it was Microsoft that wanted it to run on as manyH platforms as possible, hence the availability on wintel, mips, power and alpha.  F I do not know what sort of deals existed between the chip manufacturer and D Microsoft, but I suspect that depending on what brainwashing one has	 received,tG the story is dramatically different (eg: IBM dropped NT on power versusa  Microsoft dropping NT on Power).  D As far as Power is concerned, stating that "IBM dropped NT" might beG misleading since Power was still a full fledged partnership between IBMd ,n> Apple and Motorola at that time. So if it was in fact the chip manufacturer/ that dropped support, it would have been all 3.o  A This is why I find the stories of Microsoft dropping support moreP believable.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:42:48 -0700T$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>/ Subject: Re: Using BACKUP to create directoriesc) Message-ID: <3C66CD38.4F4DE5C4@cha.ab.ca>m  ! No luck.  Same results as before.t  B $ backup DSA803:[TEMP3...]/sel=*.dir TEMP3.SAV/save/list=temp3.lis@ %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.*;*   $ ty temp3.lis Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          TEMP3.SAV Written by:        Z99999g" UIC:               [000050,000004]* Date:              10-FEB-2002 12:41:09.02P Command:           BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]/SEL=*.DIR TEMP3.SAV/SAVE/LIST=TEMP3. LISe+ Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V7.1g BACKUP version:    V6.2s CPU ID register:   80000000d Node name:         K:: Written on:        _DSA656:a Block size:        32256 Group size:        10s Buffer count:      177     End of save setw   $ back/list temp3.sav/sav  Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          TEMP3.SAV Written by:        Z99999s" UIC:               [000050,000004]* Date:              10-FEB-2002 12:41:09.02P Command:           BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]/SEL=*.DIR TEMP3.SAV/SAVE/LIST=TEMP3. LISe+ Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V7.1e BACKUP version:    V6.2  CPU ID register:   80000000m Node name:         K:: Written on:        _DSA656:n Block size:        32256 Group size:        10r Buffer count:      177     End of save setp       Mark Bowman wrote:  W > Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote in message news:<3C6693C6.D2E4A7E1@cha.ab.ca>... K > > I need to build a saveset containing just empty directories, use DecnetlE > > to copy the saveset to a remote node, and then recreate the emptyaL > > directories on the remote node.  However, BACKUP does not copy the emptyK > > directory files.  It just creates an empty saveset.  Does anyone have aa
 > > solution?o > >  > > My attempt and results:r > >u= > > $ BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR TEMP3.SAV /LIST=TEMP3.LISuF > > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR;* > > $e > > $ TYP TEMP3.LIS  > > Listing of BACKUP operation  > >  > > Written by:        USER0& > > UIC:               [000050,000004]. > > Date:              10-FEB-2002 08:33:50.754 > > Command:           BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR > > TEMP3.SAV/LIST=TEMP3.LIS/ > > Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V7.1i > > BACKUP version:    V6.2u > > CPU ID register:   80000000V > > Node name:         J:: > > Written on:        _J$DKB0:< > > Block size:        33040 > > Group size:        10o > > Buffer count:      188 > >r > >  > > End of BACKUP operations >e > -------------- > Try something like:d >.D > $ backup DSA803:[TEMP3...]/sel=*.dir TEMP3.SAV/save/list=temp3.lis, > This should create a file called temp3.savJ > You should then be able to copy this single file across to another node. >" > Url reference:B > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6258/6048pro_019.html   -- Lee(  ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authority ? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCn4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:21:45 -0500o1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r/ Subject: Re: Using BACKUP to create directories-2 Message-ID: <3C66F279.C546D127@firstdbasource.com>   $create/dir [ntest]2% $back [*...]*.dir [ntest]dir.sav/saver $set def [ntest] $back dir.sav/save [...]/log       "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > W > Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote in message news:<3C6693C6.D2E4A7E1@cha.ab.ca>...hK > > I need to build a saveset containing just empty directories, use DecnetcE > > to copy the saveset to a remote node, and then recreate the emptysL > > directories on the remote node.  However, BACKUP does not copy the emptyK > > directory files.  It just creates an empty saveset.  Does anyone have ay
 > > solution?o > >  > > My attempt and results:a > >a= > > $ BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR TEMP3.SAV /LIST=TEMP3.LISlF > > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR;* > F > This should work. Try appending /SAVE_SET to TEMP3.SAV. You must useF > the /SAVE_SET qualifier when creating a save set on disk. Otherwise,G > BACKUP assumes you are copying files instead of saving them in a savew > set. >  > > $ TYP TEMP3.LISt > > Listing of BACKUP operationl > >o > > Written by:        USERw& > > UIC:               [000050,000004]. > > Date:              10-FEB-2002 08:33:50.754 > > Command:           BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR > > TEMP3.SAV/LIST=TEMP3.LIS/ > > Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V7.1c > > BACKUP version:    V6.2e > > CPU ID register:   80000000  > > Node name:         J:: > > Written on:        _J$DKB0:  > > Block size:        33040 > > Group size:        10- > > Buffer count:      188 > >2 > >2 > > End of BACKUP operationn > F > I find it curious that you have BACKUP version V6.2 on VMS V7.1. Why
 > is that? > 8 > Dislcaimer: JMHO               "I saw The Who on their> > Alan E. Feldman                 *first* final tour."   -- me > afeldman!~!~!~!gfigroup.comm   -- s Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163I7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:46:20 -0700p$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>/ Subject: Re: Using BACKUP to create directoriesa) Message-ID: <3C66F83C.6FA4BCBF@cha.ab.ca>3  Q Still no success.  I vaguely recall somewhere that BACKUP will not generate emptyB[ directories.  In my example, DSA802:[TEMP3] contains files, but no directories.  However, I-Z still wanted TEMP3.DIR created on the saveset.  Thanks for your suggestions.  I will place$ a call with Compaq Support tomorrow.     Test results under VMS 7.1-2:e   $ typ test.com     $create/dir [ntest]z4     $back dsa802:[temp3...]*.dir [ntest]dir.sav/save     $set def [ntest]      $back dir.sav/save [...]/log  	 $ set ver    $ @testy     $create/dir [ntest]"4     $back dsa802:[temp3...]*.dir [ntest]dir.sav/saveF     %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA802:[TEMP3...]*.DIR;*     $set def [ntest]      $back dir.sav/save [...]/logD     %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from J$DKB0:[NTEST]DIR.SAV;     Test results under VMS 7.3:   
 $ ty test.com      $create/dir [ntest] 4     $back G$DKA0:[temp3...]*.dir [ntest]dir.sav/save     $set def [ntest]      $back dir.sav/save [...]/log  	 $ set ver    $ @test      $create/dir [ntest]n4     $back G$DKA0:[temp3...]*.dir [ntest]dir.sav/saveF     %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from G$DKA0:[TEMP3...]*.DIR;*     $set def [ntest]      $back dir.sav/save [...]/logK     %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from SYS$SYSDEVICE:[NTEST]DIR.SAV;g       Michael Austin wrote:    > $create/dir [ntest]m' > $back [*...]*.dir [ntest]dir.sav/saves > $set def [ntest] > $back dir.sav/save [...]/log >d > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > >LY > > Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote in message news:<3C6693C6.D2E4A7E1@cha.ab.ca>...cM > > > I need to build a saveset containing just empty directories, use DecnetsG > > > to copy the saveset to a remote node, and then recreate the emptyaN > > > directories on the remote node.  However, BACKUP does not copy the emptyM > > > directory files.  It just creates an empty saveset.  Does anyone have al > > > solution?a > > >s > > > My attempt and results:d > > >c? > > > $ BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR TEMP3.SAV /LIST=TEMP3.LISfH > > > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR;* > >vH > > This should work. Try appending /SAVE_SET to TEMP3.SAV. You must useH > > the /SAVE_SET qualifier when creating a save set on disk. Otherwise,I > > BACKUP assumes you are copying files instead of saving them in a savel > > set. > >m > > > $ TYP TEMP3.LIS1! > > > Listing of BACKUP operationh > > >p > > > Written by:        USER ( > > > UIC:               [000050,000004]0 > > > Date:              10-FEB-2002 08:33:50.756 > > > Command:           BACKUP DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR > > > TEMP3.SAV/LIST=TEMP3.LIS1 > > > Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V7.1z > > > BACKUP version:    V6.21! > > > CPU ID register:   80000000r > > > Node name:         J::! > > > Written on:        _J$DKB0:i > > > Block size:        33040 > > > Group size:        10o > > > Buffer count:      188 > > >a > > >  > > > End of BACKUP operation  > >iH > > I find it curious that you have BACKUP version V6.2 on VMS V7.1. Why > > is that? > >g: > > Dislcaimer: JMHO               "I saw The Who on their@ > > Alan E. Feldman                 *first* final tour."   -- me > > afeldman!~!~!~!gfigroup.come >a > --
 > Regards, >n9 > Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 9 > First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.coma > Sr. Consultant   -- Leel  ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authorityt? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCm4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9w   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 15:54:18 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Using BACKUP to create directories = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0202101554.152c2862@posting.google.com>-  U Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote in message news:<3C66CD38.4F4DE5C4@cha.ab.ca>...e# > No luck.  Same results as before.c > D > $ backup DSA803:[TEMP3...]/sel=*.dir TEMP3.SAV/save/list=temp3.lisB > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.*;*    D First of all, this is incorrect usage of the /SELECT qualifier. ThatE qualifier is used to select which files to restore *from* a save set.      What are the results of        $ SHOW SYMBOL BACKUP   andf  (     $ DIRECTORY DSA803:[TEMP3...]*.DIR     andn  D     $ BACKUP DSA803:[000000]*.DIR TEMPZ.SAV/SAVE_SET/LIST=TEMPZ.BLI  !?  = Are you sure there are real directories in DSA803:[TEMP3...]?l   [the rest omitted]   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman!~!gfigroup.comn   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Feb 2002 21:57:40 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Using BACKUP to create directoriesn= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0202102157.21cf9ecc@posting.google.com>r  U Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote in message news:<3C66F83C.6FA4BCBF@cha.ab.ca>...aS > Still no success.  I vaguely recall somewhere that BACKUP will not generate emptyv] > directories.  In my example, DSA802:[TEMP3] contains files, but no directories.  However, In    ! However, your original post said:s  
 [begin quote]s@ I need to build a saveset containing just empty directories, use Decnet;                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A to copy the saveset to a remote node, and then recreate the empty.B directories on the remote node.  However, BACKUP does not copy the empty E directory files.  It just creates an empty saveset.  Does anyone have- a-	 solution?- [end quote]-    C You said you wanted to copy empty directories. Now you tell us thatuC there are no directories at all in [TEMP3]!!! I don't see a problema5 here, except you being too vague about what you want.h    \ > still wanted TEMP3.DIR created on the saveset.  Thanks for your suggestions.  I will place& > a call with Compaq Support tomorrow.     Trya  5     $ BACKUP DSA802:[000000]TEMP3.DIR,[TEMP3...]*.DIR  SAVESET.BCK/SAVE_SET  2 or, since there are no directories in [TEMP3...],   :     $ BACKUP DSA802:[000000]TEMP3.DIR SAVESET.BCK/SAVE_SET    D But why are you going around the world the wrong way just to cross a river? Why not juste  <     $ COPY DSA802:[000000]TEMP3.DIR target-disk:[000000]  !?  " What are you trying to accomplish?   [failed examples omitted]      Disclaimer: JHMO Alan E. Feldmane afeldman*zxcvbnm*gfigroup.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:55:48 +1100 = From: "Mark\(unMASK\)Forsyth" <forsytMhm@optAushoSme.com.aKu>s6 Subject: Re: Using BACKUP to create directories (long)" Message-ID: <3r474a.52q.ln@really>  1 "Lee Y T Mah" <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote in messagew# news:3C66F83C.6FA4BCBF@cha.ab.ca...eD > Still no success.  I vaguely recall somewhere that BACKUP will not generate emptyD > directories.  In my example, DSA802:[TEMP3] contains files, but no directories.  However, IA > still wanted TEMP3.DIR created on the saveset.  Thanks for youru suggestions.  I will place& > a call with Compaq Support tomorrow.	 [deletia]1  # This out to demo what you're after.F      mwf on PLAGUE >> cre/dir [.test]" mwf on PLAGUE >> cre/dir [.test.1]" mwf on PLAGUE >> cre/dir [.test.2]" mwf on PLAGUE >> cre/dir [.test.3]" mwf on PLAGUE >> cre/dir [.test.4]" mwf on PLAGUE >> cre/dir [.test.5] mwf on PLAGUE >> mwf on PLAGUE >> mwf on PLAGUE >>F mwf on PLAGUE >> backup users:[forsythm.work.test...] test.bck/save/lo: %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]1.DIR;1: %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]2.DIR;1: %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]3.DIR;1: %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]4.DIR;1: %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]5.DIR;1( mwf on PLAGUE >> backup/li test.bck/save Listing of save set(s)   Save set:          TEST.BCKa Written by:        FORSYTHMd" UIC:               [000101,000001]* Date:              11-FEB-2002 11:50:28.81H Command:           BACKUP USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST...] TEST.BCK/SAVE/LO+ Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V7.1l BACKUP version:    V6.2  CPU ID register:   80000000T Node name:         _PLAGUE::" Written on:        _PLAGUE$DKA200: Block size:        32256 Group size:        10t Buffer count:      121  J [FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]1.DIR;1                                 1  11-FEB-2002 11:49sJ [FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]2.DIR;1                                 1  11-FEB-2002 11:49pJ [FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]3.DIR;1                                 1  11-FEB-2002 11:49eJ [FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]4.DIR;1                                 1  11-FEB-2002 11:49 J [FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST]5.DIR;1                                 1  11-FEB-2002 11:49u   Total of 5 files, 5 blocks End of save sete  % mwf on PLAGUE >> cre /dir [.test.out]p$ mwf on PLAGUE >> set def [.test.out]2 mwf on PLAGUE >> backup [-]test.bck/save [...] /lo5 mwf on PLAGUE >> backup [.-.-]test.bck/save [...] /lom# %BACKUP-S-CREDIR, created directoryC3 USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.OUT.FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.1]e# %BACKUP-S-CREDIR, created directoryo3 USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.OUT.FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.2]n# %BACKUP-S-CREDIR, created directoryo3 USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.OUT.FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.3].# %BACKUP-S-CREDIR, created directoryg3 USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.OUT.FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.4]m# %BACKUP-S-CREDIR, created directoryr3 USERS:[FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.OUT.FORSYTHM.WORK.TEST.5]f mwf on PLAGUE >>   Ooroo6	 Mark F...r   ------------------------------  , Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:48:38 -0200 (BRST) From: valdemir-@uol.com.br Subject: Working with RDB...4 Message-ID: <200202102048.SAA06677@wilde.uol.com.br>  < Im my job i=B4m working with RDB Data  Base. What can I makeC when users dial to me, telling that RDB is locked ? What command=20e' can I issue to see locked RDB process ?o Thanks in advance...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:19:28 +1100a/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>f  Subject: Re: Working with RDB...3 Message-ID: <8MG98.16910$N31.841811@ozemail.com.au>   ' <valdemir-@uol.com.br> wrote in messageh. news:200202102048.SAA06677@wilde.uol.com.br...: Im my job im working with RDB Data  Base. What can I make@ when users dial to me, telling that RDB is locked ? What command' can I issue to see locked RDB process ?d Thanks in advance...  ) You should probably start with $ HELP RMUr   $ rmu/show locksC generates a lot of output but lock ids and process ids are in there"	 somewhere  also have a look ati) $ rmu/show statistics <dkxn:[xxx]xxx.rdb>t2 then use "right arrow" key to show locking summary Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:30:24 -0500d1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>s  Subject: Re: Working with RDB...2 Message-ID: <3C673AD0.D08A9C1A@firstdbasource.com>  . to find exactly who is locking you want to do    $RMU/SHOW LOCK/MODE=BLOCK   C This will tell you who the block is but you will need to trace look., closely at who is actually the main culprit.   Use RMU/SHOW STAT   s to set rate  -50 is 1/2-second  
 D for menu    <per-process statistics>E 	<stall messages>d  E Look for the oldest stall time to see what process was blocked first. E find out who is blocking that person (see rmu caommand) and determine 1 your next action.  (kill user, let it run etc...)2  G Next you will need to do a lot of reading and a lot of investigation toAD see why you keep getting locked.. generally speaking it will be page size problems.   -- . Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163 7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com C Sr. Consultant  (Specialize in Rdb -- and Oracle Classic if I must)      Phil Howell wrote: > ) > <valdemir-@uol.com.br> wrote in message 0 > news:200202102048.SAA06677@wilde.uol.com.br...< > Im my job im working with RDB Data  Base. What can I makeB > when users dial to me, telling that RDB is locked ? What command) > can I issue to see locked RDB process ?A > Thanks in advance... > + > You should probably start with $ HELP RMU  >  > $ rmu/show locksE > generates a lot of output but lock ids and process ids are in there  > somewherer > also have a look atn+ > $ rmu/show statistics <dkxn:[xxx]xxx.rdb> 4 > then use "right arrow" key to show locking summary > Phil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.081 ************************