0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 12 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 84      Contents:
 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: Am I being debugged? Re: Am I being debugged? Re: Am I being debugged?) Any lib$ -routine to move big datablocks? - Re: Any lib$ -routine to move big datablocks? - Re: Any lib$ -routine to move big datablocks? = ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more A RE: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more A Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more A Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more  Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL  C-Kermit & HTTP retrieve Re: C-Kermit & HTTP retrieve Re: C-Kermit & HTTP retrieveC Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one  Re: csws_php and Multinet? data corrupted block Re: data corrupted block DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP - Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?  Encompass LUGs Re: How to tail file? ) Re: internals question: mode of execution  license checksum info  Re: license checksum info  Re: license checksum info  RE: license checksum info  Re: license checksum info  RE: license checksum info / Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links   Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS@ Re: Problem connecting via X25 with different throughput classes Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Purveyor runs VMS Perl!  Re: Question about Group ID  Re: setting the record straight  Re: SMTP Spam Filter.  Re: SMTP Spam Filter.  Re: SORT to indexed file Re: SORT to indexed file TCPIP$Config  problems Re: TCPIP$Config  problems. Re: The stupidity of granting software patents TLZ06 question RE: TLZ06 question Re: TLZ06 question Re: TLZ06 question$ Re: Ultimate Workstation vs. AS 1200$ Re: Ultimate Workstation vs. AS 1200% Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS ! UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS % Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS % Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio? 1 Wanted: a more 'open' solution than ClusterServer 6 Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...) Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...  Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...  Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:20:24 +0000 , From: Ted Allwood <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: 1 Year uptime2 Message-ID: <00A09758.E03A13CA.4@leva.leeds.ac.uk>  F OK, I know its nothing exceptional for a VMS system, but my web server0 just passed the one year since last reboot mark:  K OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365 01:40:48   B Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to mark the occasion?     REgards, Ted    --  K Support@leva.leeds.ac.uk                                Tel:  0113 23 32167 + www.mech-eng.leeds.ac.uk/support/index.html G School of Mechanical Engineering,  University of Leeds,  Leeds  LS2 9JT    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:12:32 -0700  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime& Message-ID: <3C693EF0.4050209@srv.net>   Ted Allwood wrote:H > OK, I know its nothing exceptional for a VMS system, but my web server2 > just passed the one year since last reboot mark: > M > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365 01:40:48  > D > Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to > mark the occasion? >   < How about a Windows icon with a big red circle-with-slash on
 top of it?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:47:35 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime( Message-ID: <3C694727.B49887A@127.0.0.1>   Kevin Handy wrote: > > > How about a Windows icon with a big red circle-with-slash on > top of it?  # I just had a really wicked thought.   9 "VMS. Who needs viagra when it stays up as long as this?"   G Hmmm. A nice euphemistic marketing campaign is what the industry needs!  --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:33:50 -0500 - From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>  Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime+ Message-ID: <sc6919c6.079@AAASMTA.aaas.org>   ( I was thinking about this the other day.  K I think Compaq should take on the PC world. Show a bunch of business type = K people working on deadlines when their computer crashes (a simulated `sad = L mac`, a simulated blue screen) - then show kids playing video games on the = same computer.  F "You trust your business - to toys?" with PCs running windows in the = datacenter.   K Then you plug Compaq Non-stop and Alpha Servers running either OpenVMS or = > Tru64 (because "O" comes before "T" - yeah that's the reason).  4 "Compaq - enterprise computing for your enterprise."   Yeah, in my dreams maybe. <G>   A >>> Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> 02/12/2002 11:47:35 AM >>>  Kevin Handy wrote: >=20> > How about a Windows icon with a big red circle-with-slash on > top of it?  # I just had a really wicked thought.   9 "VMS. Who needs viagra when it stays up as long as this?"   G Hmmm. A nice euphemistic marketing campaign is what the industry needs!  --=20 ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:17:53 +0100 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> ! Subject: Re: Am I being debugged? 6 Message-ID: <00A09750.241248DF.7@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > E > I could be a bit clearer: I know about toggling the bit/byte in the I > image header to control whether the thing runs in debug mode by default F > or not, but what I want is to know what to replace ***** with in the > following: >  >   if ( ***** ) { > / >     /* I'm being debugged. Act accordingly */  >  >   } else { > 2 >     /* I'm not being debugged. Run as normal. */ >  >   }; > > > I know it goes against the 'spirit' of debugging in that theI > not-debugged clause will be rather hard to debug, but it's what I need.  >    I won't ask "why?"  M Last time I wanted something similar, I replaced ***** with a static variable G link-time initialized to false. And I used the DBG$INIT logical name so J that when the debugger started (if I did RUN/DEBUG) the first thing it didE was to deposit a true value into that variable, without me having to   remember to do that.  B Check Debug manual or debug help (on logical names) for more info.  H By the way, if you are trying to keep a determined hacker out of part ofJ your program, you won't succeed. You'll just slow him down a bit. Old-time< adventure players may know about GDT>. I got there via DBG>.   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:43:18 +0100 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> ! Subject: Re: Am I being debugged? * Message-ID: <3C691BF6.29962F7@mediasec.de>  H If you want to know whether _a_ debugger is running, you have no chance.H If you want to know whether the VMS debugger is running, one possibilityH is to go through the exception vectors (other reply; need to check they L post to actual DEBUG code, or live with false positives) or check for images  such as DBG$SSISHR being mapped.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:21:44 +0000 - From: Peter Harding <harding@herald.ox.ac.uk> ! Subject: Re: Am I being debugged? / Message-ID: <3C694118.5C795978@herald.ox.ac.uk>    Nigel Arnot wrote: > I won't ask "why?" [...] J > By the way, if you are trying to keep a determined hacker out of part of" > your program, you won't succeed.  D Alas, nothing so insidious or entertaining! I've some stuff which isG ordinarily run as a rexec by a cgi on a webserver elsewhere (along with F other socketish connections), so I want to have it not bother with theF socketry and other nonsense (all of which works fine) when I just wantH to prod the thing at my terminal to see why other bits of it don't work.  F There's some intresting ideas here for me to play with - thanks peeps.   --   Tel 07092057581 ICQ 40628243   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:05:15 +0000 (UTC) - From: "Ake Liss" <ake.liss@avestapolarit.com> 2 Subject: Any lib$ -routine to move big datablocks?H Message-ID: <ae5a8e7b73d0b035af7f365cc6e47e96.20077@mygate.mailgate.org>  G I'm developing a primary memory resident "database" on Alpha VMS. Now I ; have found that lib$movc3 and c5 is limited to 65535 bytes.   A I need to be able to move datablocks in around 1/2 megabyte size.   9 Is there any other lib$- or sys$- routine that I can use?   1 Alternativly: Can it be done in assembler/MACRO ?    Best regards	 -ke Liss      --  8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:05:42 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> 6 Subject: Re: Any lib$ -routine to move big datablocks?) Message-ID: <3C690517.1C41AD4B@Omond.net>    Ake Liss wrote:   I > I'm developing a primary memory resident "database" on Alpha VMS. Now I = > have found that lib$movc3 and c5 is limited to 65535 bytes.  > C > I need to be able to move datablocks in around 1/2 megabyte size.  > ; > Is there any other lib$- or sys$- routine that I can use?  > 3 > Alternativly: Can it be done in assembler/MACRO ?   
 Aw come one !   < Just loop through your 0.5 Mbyte chunks 64 Kbytes at a time.   It's not difficult.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:19:38 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG 6 Subject: Re: Any lib$ -routine to move big datablocks?0 Message-ID: <00A0971E.181FC7FE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <ae5a8e7b73d0b035af7f365cc6e47e96.20077@mygate.mailgate.org>, "Ake Liss" <ake.liss@avestapolarit.com> writes: > H >I'm developing a primary memory resident "database" on Alpha VMS. Now I< >have found that lib$movc3 and c5 is limited to 65535 bytes. > B >I need to be able to move datablocks in around 1/2 megabyte size. > : >Is there any other lib$- or sys$- routine that I can use? > 2 >Alternativly: Can it be done in assembler/MACRO ? > 
 >Best regards 
 >-ke Liss  	 OTS$MOVEx    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:20:22 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> F Subject: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more* Message-ID: <3C690B7D.8010001@qsl.network>  9 [Title changed to attract the attention of other program]    Roar Throns wrote: . > John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote: > : > Emacs has it's own alloca, and it never goes below zero." > It also allocates from P0 space.    Really?  How does it deallocate?  # Does it always use it's own alloca?   6 Or is the substitution selected by a configure script?  F Implemementing alloca() requires either intimate knowledge of how the H computer sets up it's stack or intimate knowledge of how to clean up on  a procedure exit.   H On a real alloca, the memory is deallocated automatically when you exit I the caller of the alloca routine.  In order to do this with a substitute  H alloca, you need to have a cleanup routine run when a routine exits.  I D think that C++ can do this, but not C.  You may want to look at the 2 cleanup routine for the homebrew alloca() routine.    I If emacs uses a configure script, have you verified that it is producing  
 sane answers?   I In some other open source packages that used autoconfigure, I discovered  A that the configure script tests were wrong for all platforms and  $ producing incorrect answers on some.  F The C programs that are dynamically produced are missing header files H that could make the tests pass.  So routines were substituted when they E did not need to be.  Since the resulting programs still work, no big  @ deal.  That is if the substitute routines work on your platform.  I Autoconfig is not an automatic process for the people maintaining a port  -   for a platform.  It is only semi-automatic.   @ The maintainer of a port for a platform must manually tweak the G autoconfig input files until the right answers come out every time for  D the range of possible values for that platform.  And then the other G platform maintainers need to verify that those changes still work with  3 theirs.  Repeat the iterrations until it all works.     H > What alarm_signal_handler does is little, and I can not see how it can > do bad things on the stack.     H I do not think the alarm_signal_handler does anything to the stack, the H damage is done prior to the alarm being signaled.  Just how much is the 	 question.   H There may be some additional hints on dealing with an ASTFLT in the Ask I The Wizard and the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions list.  Both can be  * found off of http://www.openvms.compaq.com   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:05:28 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> J Subject: RE: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEAMECAA.tom@kednos.com>   E I have in the past found, that porting FSF software was always easier = if you started with gcc.  At least this was the case on unix.   > I note that the C compiler that comes from sourceforge appears? to be DEC C V6.0-001.  I did a quick search and it appears that D you can get at least 2.8,  http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_gnu.htmlx       > -----Original Message-----4 > From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:wb8tyw@qsl.network]* > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:20 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H > Subject: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more >  > ; > [Title changed to attract the attention of other program]  >  > Roar Throns wrote: 0 > > John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote: > > < > > Emacs has it's own alloca, and it never goes below zero.$ > > It also allocates from P0 space. > " > Really?  How does it deallocate? > % > Does it always use it's own alloca?  > 8 > Or is the substitution selected by a configure script? > G > Implemementing alloca() requires either intimate knowledge of how the I > computer sets up it's stack or intimate knowledge of how to clean up on  > a procedure exit.  > I > On a real alloca, the memory is deallocated automatically when you exit J > the caller of the alloca routine.  In order to do this with a substituteI > alloca, you need to have a cleanup routine run when a routine exits.  I E > think that C++ can do this, but not C.  You may want to look at the 4 > cleanup routine for the homebrew alloca() routine. >  > J > If emacs uses a configure script, have you verified that it is producing > sane answers?  > J > In some other open source packages that used autoconfigure, I discoveredB > that the configure script tests were wrong for all platforms and& > producing incorrect answers on some. > G > The C programs that are dynamically produced are missing header files I > that could make the tests pass.  So routines were substituted when they F > did not need to be.  Since the resulting programs still work, no bigB > deal.  That is if the substitute routines work on your platform. > J > Autoconfig is not an automatic process for the people maintaining a port/ >   for a platform.  It is only semi-automatic.  > A > The maintainer of a port for a platform must manually tweak the H > autoconfig input files until the right answers come out every time forE > the range of possible values for that platform.  And then the other H > platform maintainers need to verify that those changes still work with5 > theirs.  Repeat the iterrations until it all works.  >  > J > > What alarm_signal_handler does is little, and I can not see how it can > > do bad things on the stack.  >  > I > I do not think the alarm_signal_handler does anything to the stack, the2I > damage is done prior to the alarm being signaled.  Just how much is them > question.r >tI > There may be some additional hints on dealing with an ASTFLT in the Ask?J > The Wizard and the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions list.  Both can be, > found off of http://www.openvms.compaq.com >n > -Johno > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only2 >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:01:16 +0000 (UTC)29 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>eJ Subject: Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more- Message-ID: <a4b77c$54g$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>r  , John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:; : [Title changed to attract the attention of other program]p   : Roar Throns wrote:i/ :> John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:a :> l; :> Emacs has it's own alloca, and it never goes below zero.S# :> It also allocates from P0 space.e  " : Really?  How does it deallocate?  I Emacs also has it's own malloc, memory management and garbage collection.i  % : Does it always use it's own alloca?m  @ I had a set break alloca, and it got breaks there from all over.  K : If emacs uses a configure script, have you verified that it is producing s : sane answers?k  A I have not used configure.com since 19.28, but it worked ok then.w  K : Autoconfig is not an automatic process for the people maintaining a port n- : for a platform.  It is only semi-automatic.v  C Someone said they got gcc3 compiled on VMS with bash and configure,o+ but I have problems with a recent GNV bash.PJ I will concentrate on getting Emacs working, autoconf will be tried later.  I :> What alarm_signal_handler does is little, and I can not see how it cant :> do bad things on the stack.  J : I do not think the alarm_signal_handler does anything to the stack, the J : damage is done prior to the alarm being signaled.  Just how much is the  : question.n   I can not see anything, either.n   But putting something like  	 alarm(0);  signal (SIGALRM, select_alarm); K before a vulnerable spot ( select_alarm does a signal (SIGALRM, SIG_IGN); )S andi' signal (SIGALRM, alarm_signal_handler);t
 alarm(n); % (n!=0) after a vulnerable spot helps.l  J : There may be some additional hints on dealing with an ASTFLT in the Ask K : The Wizard and the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions list.  Both can be  , : found off of http://www.openvms.compaq.com   I have seen that one already.D   -- 9 -RoarA   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:07:38 GMTs From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGpJ Subject: Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more0 Message-ID: <00A0972D.2EB8C454@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <3C690B7D.8010001@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:: >[Title changed to attract the attention of other program] >  >Roar Throns wrote:/ >> John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:d >> m; >> Emacs has it's own alloca, and it never goes below zero.L# >> It also allocates from P0 space.- >-! >Really?  How does it deallocate?: >3$ >Does it always use it's own alloca?   Because it's kludge-ware.  e    7 >Or is the substitution selected by a configure script?:  J PAHLEEZE.  You're lucky if the configure scripts (at least true with emacsK 19.28) will complete without an error let alone permit user selectable sub-dK stitution.  Basing autoconfigure on the production on C preprocessor inter-eJ mediate files is wrought with perils.  Talk with Ed Vogel about the numberJ of preprocessor bug reports I submitted from V6.0 on...  Not that there isJ anything wrong with the preprocessor output when used for normal C compil-K ation -- it's the problems when using it as a *hack* for token substitutiongE in the configure scripts that will drive one to the edges of sanity. u     J >Autoconfig is not an automatic process for the people maintaining a port . >  for a platform.  It is only semi-automatic. >wA >The maintainer of a port for a platform must manually tweak the eH >autoconfig input files until the right answers come out every time for E >the range of possible values for that platform.  And then the other -H >platform maintainers need to verify that those changes still work with 4 >theirs.  Repeat the iterrations until it all works.   Yeap... what an ugly concept.o   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMC            aJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesd   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:59:18 +0000 (UTC)o9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>n( Subject: Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL- Message-ID: <a4alh6$nka$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>"  ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:.  I : why not use bliss to create a "freevms" version so we can get away froms  7 Have you ever considered the steps needed to get there?2   -- 1
 -Roar Throns    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2002 12:58:23 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)a! Subject: C-Kermit & HTTP retrievee0 Message-ID: <a4b3hf$q8d$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  L currently I am using C-Kermit 7.0.197 to retrieve HTML documents from withinM DCL. Now I would like to do the same for binary files, e.g. a .GIF . But here-I I don't succeed. I had a look at the new 8.0 version and noticed, that itsI includes full HTTP support but in Unix only :-(  Why? And is there really 3 no way to achieve a HTTP retrieve of a binary file.   M Here is a Kermit script to fetch a HTML ASCII file and save it as TEMP.TEMP :r  I ; This script will connect to a WWW server and request a single document.h ; Call it like this:= ;   kermit this.file "=" "www.server.name" "remote/file.name"*J ; Note that the VMS global symbol CKERMIT_STATUS contains the exit status.K ;                                                           Ch.G., 25.05.00  ;n SET MACRO ECHO OFF SET INPUT ECHO OFF SET QUIET ON SET INPUT BUFFER-LENGTH 500l ;  DEFINE error EXIT \%1  ;t
 SET FLOW NONE  ; Ctrl-C = 3, Ctrl-R = 18  SET ESCAPE-CHARACTER 3  SET INPUT TIMEOUT-ACTION PROCEED SET INPUT CASE IGNORE  SET TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE vt220 SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE NVT ON SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8e SET EXIT WARNING OFF" SET HOST \&@[3] 80 /NO-TELNET-INIT OUTPUT {GET \&@[4]\013}a LOG SESSION temp.temp NEWh ;OUTPUT {\013} INPUT 300 {</HTML>}a IF FAILURE error 1
 CLOSE SESSIONe ;( EXIT     Regards,    Christoph Gartmannw  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 09:33:30 -0500& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)% Subject: Re: C-Kermit & HTTP retrievee1 Message-ID: <a4b93q$h07$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>y  0 In article <a4b3hf$q8d$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,4 Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote:N : currently I am using C-Kermit 7.0.197 to retrieve HTML documents from withinO : DCL. Now I would like to do the same for binary files, e.g. a .GIF . But here-K : I don't succeed. I had a look at the new 8.0 version and noticed, that it 7 : includes full HTTP support but in Unix only :-(  Why?  :eH I asked for VMS programmer volunteers on this list lots of times to portM HTTP, FTP, Kerberos, SSL/TLS, SRP, and other new features to VMS.  Nobody hask time.e  O : Here is a Kermit script to fetch a HTML ASCII file and save it as TEMP.TEMP :  : K : ; This script will connect to a WWW server and request a single document.  : ; Call it like this:? : ;   kermit this.file "=" "www.server.name" "remote/file.name"oL : ; Note that the VMS global symbol CKERMIT_STATUS contains the exit status.M : ;                                                           Ch.G., 25.05.00o : ;d : SET MACRO ECHO OFF : SET INPUT ECHO OFF : SET QUIET ON : SET INPUT BUFFER-LENGTH 500  : ;  : DEFINE error EXIT \%1  : ;- : SET FLOW NONE- : ; Ctrl-C = 3, Ctrl-R = 18  : SET ESCAPE-CHARACTER 3" : SET INPUT TIMEOUT-ACTION PROCEED : SET INPUT CASE IGNOREy  : SET TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE vt220  : SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE NVT ON : SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8a : SET EXIT WARNING OFF$ : SET HOST \&@[3] 80 /NO-TELNET-INIT : OUTPUT {GET \&@[4]\013}  : LOG SESSION temp.temp NEW  : ;OUTPUT {\013} : INPUT 300 {</HTML>}e : IF FAILURE error 1 : CLOSE SESSIONu  G If you look at your script, the answer should jump out at you.  An HTMLcG file ends with </HTML>.  Non-HTML files, in general, have no structure.gI So how do you know when you have come to the end of the file?  If I'm notlI mistaken, the server just closes the connection.  So you might be able to4> accomplish downloading of any file at all something like this:     SET SESSION-LOG BINARY   OUTPUT {GET \&@[4]\013}1   LOG SESSION temp.temp NEW ,   INPUT 300 {SOMETHING_THAT_WILL_NEVER_COME}   CLOSE SESSIONa  J (no guarantees).  The real solution is for someone to port the HTTP client/ to VMS.  Ditto for FTP, Kerberos, SSL/TLS, etc.a   - Frankr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:01:56 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o% Subject: Re: C-Kermit & HTTP retrieve , Message-ID: <3C695893.347E6208@videotron.ca>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:nN > currently I am using C-Kermit 7.0.197 to retrieve HTML documents from withinF > DCL. Now I would like to do the same for binary files, e.g. a .GIF .  J The OSU web server contains a utility called FETCH_HTTP which does exactly what you need.  E fetch_http http://www.sex.com/dirty_picture.jpg  dirty_picture.jpg -b.  H Much simpler and quicker than kermit for that purpose. Note however thatD kermit is still needed when you need to send POST type transactions.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:57:05 GMTb+ From: Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove>yL Subject: Re: compaq logo on DECwindows login screen...how to get the old one7 Message-ID: <20020212115701.5dac3950.rob@bbp.ch.remove>B  	 Hi VMSler     system@SendSpamHere.ORG schrieb:7 > In article <3C656BB1.ADC67AB7@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei(G > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:>system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:l > > ; > >> UNZIP QUISP.ZIP to get QUISP.PM and rename QUISP.PM tooC > >> SYS$COMMON:[CDE$DEFAULTS.SYSTEM.APPCONFIG.ICONS.C]DECDTLOGO.PM- > >-A > >How does one change the logo on VAX-VMS if we don't hace CDE ?< > E > That's documented!  Look back through this thread for the pointers.a  G Thanks for all the answers and the colourful discussion which I enjoyedg? reading. However, I've had trouble with my news server for overoE a week, so that part (how to change the logo without CDE) is missing.t. :-( Could someone re-post that article to me ? Thanks !   Greetings, Roland.  F --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------:              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, Switzerland?        Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch>  --  Phone +41-56-2039602 F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:25:24 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Re: csws_php and Multinet?e= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202120625.7ff7f22b@posting.google.com>e  F Fairness: Apache itself works fine (if you just define TCPIP$DEVICE asF UCX$DEVICE); mod_perl works fine (and the Compaq version of Perl is noF longer years behind the times); Jakarta seems to work fine.  This is a= beta, they'll have a fix in the release version.  Finally, asn wonderful as< Process Software is (and I am a very happy Multinet and PMDF customer), IC don't notice them doing a PHP port at all, free or otherwise.  If Im want to B run mod_php, Purveyor can't do it for me.  Purveyor can't run Java Server# Pages for me either, last I looked.w  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU@  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056B  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 
 94309-0210O ===============================================================================t  A this was cut out of purveyors programmers manual ... I think thisf statesE clearly that perl and other languages can be run from either a cgi ornD a "dll" can be written in "c" or any language "dibol" that can allow your@ you to run anything you want to under purveyor ... and notice is stressesB that this is a security feature, which makes sense if you read the reason why!k  F Executables must have the extension .EXE or .DLL and command procedure= files must have the extension .COM. Executables with the .EXEsE extension are executed as separate processes whereas .DLLs are linkedi7 dynamically to the address space of the server process.u  F To execute other types of programs, such as PERL or TCL, you can use aD simple command procedure that invokes the interpreter appropriately.> Note that this is also a security feature, since some of theseE interpreters support options to override the input or redirect outputRC and these options are not directly accessible (unless you provide aJ5 mechanism to make them so via the command procedure).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:47:02 +0100l) From: "Jiri Koutnik" <jkoutnik@ebanka.cz>t Subject: data corrupted blockr+ Message-ID: <1013507217.602181@krakonosovo>    Hi all,iK in our OS-VMS appeared ORACLE data corrupted block. Does anyone know how to.G interpret the ORACLE block number to OVMS block number so that we couldEG produce correctly DUMP/BLOCK. Iam not sure about it and I cant find any2 useful info. thnx in advancei   Geo    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 08:29:30 -0800' From: steve.esson@esa.int (hieronymous)h! Subject: Re: data corrupted block < Message-ID: <fe9697fd.0202120829.cbd5cd0@posting.google.com>  \ "Jiri Koutnik" <jkoutnik@ebanka.cz> wrote in message news:<1013507217.602181@krakonosovo>...	 > Hi all,PM > in our OS-VMS appeared ORACLE data corrupted block. Does anyone know how to I > interpret the ORACLE block number to OVMS block number so that we could I > produce correctly DUMP/BLOCK. Iam not sure about it and I cant find any  > useful info. > thnx in advancei >  > Geow  C Oracle blocks are not to be confused with VMS disk blocks.  They'reo? usually set at the time the database is created using parameter  DB_BLOCK_SIZE.  B Why not just restore the tablespace and save all the trouble?  For? Oracle docs you need to look in the developers site and not then  standard Oracle www.  See here:-+ http://technet.oracle.com/docs/content.htmlt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:24:56 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>  Subject: DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP) Message-ID: <3C694FE8.4EB439A2@127.0.0.1>t  G I'm looking for somewhere that documents all the statuses (stati?) thata. could be returned from a SHOW DEV in SDA. e.g.  C Device   DEVSTS   status:   0504 nocnvrt,mscp_mntverip,mscp_waitbmpg  @ OK, so I can guess what MNTVERIP means, but what about WAITBMP?   H The I/O users ref manual and the system services ref manual doesn't have3 a definitive list. Or haven't I looked hard enough?e   -- e( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:28:16 +0100i( From: Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>6 Subject: Re: Did Intel Bite Off More Than It Can Chew?% Message-ID: <3C690A60.6634450@gmx.de>m   Peter da Silva schrieb:  > ( > In article <3C65B7A2.FF84DE01@gmx.de>,, > Bernd Paysan  <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote: > > Peter da Silva schrieb:sG > > > This means she's going to do to HP what Cortez did to the Aztecs?  >  > > No, to Compaq. >  > Both seem likely.t  > Ah, like the Conquistadores were formerly Reconquista soldiersC ("freeing" Spain from the quite liberal and economically prosperingtH arabs and installing a fundamentalist katholic regime, which adhered theF poverty ideal by making most of the inhabitants poor), the destructionG of HP is something she already had succeeded in. What does she think HPuB is? A *printer company*! She even stopped the calculator business.   -- . Bernd Paysan7 "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"2 http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:03:51 -06008& From: Jenny Butler <jbutler@utmem.edu> Subject: Encompass LUGse6 Message-ID: <00e201c1b3d6$7b701200$bf01c084@utmem.edu>  > Someone asked about LUGs in Ohio - there are two - look at the; www.encompassus.org home page, choose Local User Groups andeC then the link to LUG pages or go straight to eisner.decus.org/lugs/r) and you will see the contact information.aE I tried to send this info earlier, but I don't think it went through.c) If this is a duplicate, please excuse me. 0                             Thanks, Jenny Butler'                             West TN LUGi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:11:31 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>f Subject: Re: How to tail file?' Message-ID: <3C68DC43.6B0DBB7C@aaa.com>   - See "$ HELP SET OUTPUT_RATE" for the details.i  5 I think our RUN/DET command should specify a COM fileo5 wrapper where you put the SET OUTPUT_RATE command ando2 then call your server image. And your server image% have to write to SYS$OUTPUT, I think.d  	 Jan-Erik.    wing wrote:l > H > I am writing a server process.  I will use "run pgm/detach" to executeD > the server, will the detach server process have the defined output > rate as its parent?h > 	 > Thanks.d >  > Wing   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:32:13 +0200o2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>2 Subject: Re: internals question: mode of execution+ Message-ID: <3C69357D.3BD622C8@digital.com>   E Look up SYS$GETJPIW (preferably) or SYS$GETJPI in the System Servicese" Reference manual (Part 1, I think)D You have to build an item list: I think what you are looking for is  probably JPI$_MODE.r   Mike   Jose Arroyo wrote: > 	 > Philip,l > G > Regarding the location, I think it is stored in a datastructure which E > is permanently in memory called PCB (process control block). WithinaE > the PCB I think it can be found from the value at offset PCB$L_STS.tF > This data structure contains many valuable data regarding a specificG > process. Without going further into details what is important to note:G > is that although the information is there a user can not access it ingD > a normal way. Access to nonpaged memory has to be serialized , but > that is another story... > 
 > Jose Arroyos >  >  > Phillip Helbig wrote:e > A >      There are various ways (F$MODE(), SHOW SYSTEM,...) which a  >      process a) can8A >      use to find out what mode (BATCH, INTERACTIVE,...) processt >      b) is running* >      in, including the case where a = b. > ( >      WHERE is this information stored? > C >      A former colleague who know works in the unix world but used  >      to work@ >      with VMS has come to the conclusion that this information >      cannot be@ >      gathered reliably in unix in all circumstances.  I assume >      that in VMS iteA >      can be gathered reliably, which would prove that it can bei >      done.  (He'siC >      looking for even MORE arguments that unix is ill-conceived.)u > ? >      This seems like such an essential matter that I am quite  >      surprised thattA >      this is not possible in unix.  Maybe it is, but the formeri >      colleague is  >      quite knowledgeable....   -- tE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.h? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*-F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----a Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------n   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 02:51:19 -08005 From: pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders)  Subject: license checksum info= Message-ID: <bc0e3bd8.0202120251.22427ef4@posting.google.com>v   hi,bF   My customer has a micro vax 3100-30 running Vax VMS 5.5-2 and Decnet 4.F   I am wondering if there is a VMS command to list the license check -D sum info for all my product licenses, as have mis-placed the license certificate. Any help appreciated,o ta patw   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:01:27 GMTw" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>" Subject: Re: license checksum info0 Message-ID: <bC6a8.931$Yf1.4428@typhoon.bart.nl>  K The license/issue command regenerates the PAK data, including the checksum..G Note that this command disables the issued license since the command is > intended to move licenses and layered products across systems.  + $ lic/issue/command/out=bliss_pak.com blissn $ lic enable bliss   Hans  @ pat saunders <pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk> wrote in message7 news:bc0e3bd8.0202120251.22427ef4@posting.google.com...n > hi, H >   My customer has a micro vax 3100-30 running Vax VMS 5.5-2 and Decnet > 4.H >   I am wondering if there is a VMS command to list the license check -F > sum info for all my product licenses, as have mis-placed the license > certificate. > Any help appreciated,a > ta > pats   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:15:35 GMTv From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG " Subject: Re: license checksum info0 Message-ID: <00A0971D.872274BF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  u In article <bc0e3bd8.0202120251.22427ef4@posting.google.com>, pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders) writes:N >hi,G >  My customer has a micro vax 3100-30 running Vax VMS 5.5-2 and Decnet  >4.lG >  I am wondering if there is a VMS command to list the license check -OE >sum info for all my product licenses, as have mis-placed the licenseT
 >certificate.V >Any help appreciated, >tae >pat   $ LICENSE ISSUEE   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             }J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:43:09 -05004* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>" Subject: RE: license checksum info- Message-ID: <0033000052787483000002L032*@MHS>   6 =0AIMHO, he should have also told you that when you do6 a LICENSE ISSUE <product_name> it disables the license7 and that you have to do a LICENSE ENABLE <product_name>i5 afterwards if you want to continue using the license.-   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETR( Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:38 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET" Subject: RE: license checksum info    = In article <bc0e3bd8.0202120251.22427ef4@posting.google.com>,K< pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders) writes: >hi,H >  My customer has a micro vax 3100-30 running Vax VMS 5.5-2 and Decnet=   >4.'H >  I am wondering if there is a VMS command to list the license check -=  E >sum info for all my product licenses, as have mis-placed the license 
 >certificate.n >Any help appreciated, >tam >pat   $ LICENSE ISSUEr   --H VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS= (dot)COM  H   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fie= ryH   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobb= es=i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:15:34 +0100e$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>" Subject: Re: license checksum info1 Message-ID: <FI7a8.230$Jh4.1231@news.cpqcorp.net>   B "pat saunders" <pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk> wrote in message7 news:bc0e3bd8.0202120251.22427ef4@posting.google.com...  > hi, H >   My customer has a micro vax 3100-30 running Vax VMS 5.5-2 and Decnet > 4.H >   I am wondering if there is a VMS command to list the license check -F > sum info for all my product licenses, as have mis-placed the license   The command 
 $ licen issueT	 does that 
 Check with $ Help licen issue3 Please note that this command DISABLES your licence # If you do it, do not forget to do aT $ licen enable
 just after   RegardsF   Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:13:32 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGe" Subject: RE: license checksum info0 Message-ID: <00A0972E.01968650@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <0033000052787483000002L032*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:7 >=0AIMHO, he should have also told you that when you dol7 >a LICENSE ISSUE <product_name> it disables the licenseE8 >and that you have to do a LICENSE ENABLE <product_name>6 >afterwards if you want to continue using the license. >M >WWWebbS  " My answer was terse but concise.    K It's true that it disables the license; however, I would have expected thatbK one would lookup the LICENSE ISSUE command and it's ramifications after I'du sent them in that direction.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & HobbesN   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:08:30 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 8 Subject: Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0202120608.4362e0ff@posting.google.com>l  r adrian_ogden@hotmail.com (Scumbag Adie) wrote in message news:<91445c94.0202050131.6779a279@posting.google.com>...F > I've got two VMS 6.1 Clusters (main/standby) connected via 2 2Mb WANF > links can these be load balanced (DNA mainly used) using appropriateD > Router/Bridges (prefer bridging) or is this a function of the host > s/w? > C > Host based volume shadowing is to be deployed across these links.S  D Others have addressed the DNA-related issues.  I'd like to point out@ that if you're running host-based volume shadowing, the protocolB involved is SCS, not DNA, and I'll address the SCS-related issues.  D According to the OpenVMS Cluster Software SPD, the minimum supportedB bandwidth between cluster nodes is 10Mb, so your 2x2=4Mb bandwidthA might expose you to questions about official support.  It's quite B possible the cluster will run OK, thanks to the congestion control@ (adaptive retransmit window size) and adaptive retransmit timingF introduced in PEDRIVER in VMS 6.0.  But how much data do you intend toD shadow across the link?  I'm thinking that unless you need to shadowB only a relatively small number of smaller disks, shadow-copy timesE would likely be excessive with this small amount of bandwidth betweenh sites.  @ If you choose to bridge the two links, then (contrary to what anD earlier poster stated) it is indeed possible, with careful selectionF of bridge root priorities, to prevent the Spanning Tree algorithm fromD turning off one of the inter-site links (it can be arranged so as toB turn off one of the intra-site links instead).  You'll also likelyA need to lower the spanning tree timers if you want to ensure thatoF spanning tree reconfigurations (which occur after a disruption such asD a bridge reboot or a link bounce) can complete within a time shorterD than the RECNXINTERVAL value (which defaults to 20 seconds), or else* node(s) will be kicked out of the cluster.  D Note that since you're running DECnet Phase IV, you won't be able to? use multiple LAN adapters per node if the two links are bridgedrF together, because when DECnet starts up, it changes the MAC address ofF all LAN adapters it knows about (even if their STATE is set to OFF) toF the DECnet-style MAC address of AA-00-04-00-yy-xx, a fixed value basedB on the node's DECnet address, and you can't have multiple adaptersD with the same MAC address connected to the same extended LAN, or the< bridges get confused and performance gets bad as packets get
 mis-directed.-  E If you keep the two links unbridged, as separate independent extended=E LANs, then you can have two LAN adapters per node, with one connectedtF to each link, and you avoid problems with duplicate MAC addresses with? Phase IV, and also avoid all the Spanning Tree issues.  In this C configuration, PEDRIVER handles load-balancing and fail-over of theuB SCS traffic over the two links.  If you have at least two nodes atC each end of the links, in my experience PEDRIVER does a good job ofhC evenly balancing the load across the two paths.  (If you're running B VMS 7.3, it can balance the load evenly with only a single node atE each end of the two links.)  (For DECnet, this configuration is knownaF as "multi-homed end nodes", and while only one of the two LAN adaptersB on a given node is used at a given time for DECnet traffic, it can1 fail over to the other LAN adapter if necessary.) ? ---------------------------------------------------------------s? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:h> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:13:53 -0500-- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> ) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMSk2 Message-ID: <Yiaa8.11867$X2.138146@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C682ACB.2DD18DC2@videotron.ca... > Peter Weaver wrote:nL > > 1. Set your terminal to display control characters rather than interpret	 > > them.  >P1 > How can one do that with DECterm in X-windows ?  > ...i   $ SET HOST 0/LOG=X.X ... 
 $ EDIT X.X  I I could never figure out why this valuable debugging tool was left out of@K DECTerm. Every time some user calls to say that they had an error but could9G not see it long enough to read it I have them turn on Interpret ControlaG Characters, then they don't have to worry about the error message beingl cleared.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 05:34:06 -0800L From: ffrancillette@lucent.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9rick_FRANCILLETTE?=)I Subject: Re: Problem connecting via X25 with different throughput classes = Message-ID: <486786bf.0202120534.6619838c@posting.google.com>k  C I have the same problems. I have upgraded from VMS7.1-2/AXP and X25t: 1.3 to VMS 7.3 and X25 1.5. Our connector is a Decnis 500.B We also have an application process which use X25 API. When we runE this process first time after a reboot everything is ok. When we stophB this process and run it again then we have two possible problems :? first one is process X25$APPLD going into a loop, second one is  process X25$APPLD disappearing.i@ I have no information in log files ; only empty X25$APPLD.LOG in sys$manager:  C I have contacted COMPAQ french support, they asked me to modify thenD biolm and diolm quota of X25$APPL in X25$STARTUP.COM. Unfortunately, it doesn't work.   Thanks for any information.n Frdrick FRANCILLETTE ffrancillette@lucent.com  p Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote in message news:<6714056249.20020208120448@ncc.volga.ru>... > Hello gurus, > E >   After upgrading from (VMS6.2/AXP + DECnet Phase IV + X25 client +eG > DEMSA as connector) to (VMS7.3 + DECnet Phase V + X25 + Cisco 2651 as-G > connector) we encountered strange problem. Our incoming throughput ise@ > 9600. If anybody tries to connect (for example, connect as X29@ > terminal) with outgoing throughput class 9600, everything goesG > normally. But with other outgoing throughput class (we tried 2400 and F > 4800) connection fails with diagnostic code 9 on the terminal' side.# > On Alpha we see following messaget > ; > Event: Port Terminated from: Node LOCAL:.NCC2 X25 Access,i/ >         at: 2002-02-05-11:17:30.537+04:00IinflJ >         Client=Generic Client User Process "Pid=00000439 Device=NWA7:",  >         Type=Switched,   >         State=Cleared,  # >         Call Direction=Incoming, o9 >         Call Association=X25 Access Filter X29_ATM_08, s, >         Target DTE Address=1111111111111, - >         Calling DTE Address=2222222222222, i+ >         Protocol Identifier='01000000'H, r >         Channel=1022, * >         Outgoing Throughput Class=2400, * >         Incoming Throughput Class=9600, ! >         Reverse Charging=True, -* >         Redirect Reason=Not Redirected, % >         Fast Select=Not Specified, d0 >         DTE=X25 Protocol DTE LLC2_DTE_CISCO2, & >         DTE Class=LLC2-CLASS-CISCO2,< >         Reference Time=2002-02-05-11:17:29.644+04:00Iinf, " >         Data Octets Received=0,  >         Data Octets Sent=0,  >         PDUs Received=0, r >         PDUs Sent=0, / >         Segments Received=0, a >         Segments Sent=0o9 >         eventUid   F1B82725-1A29-11D6-B70B-AA0004000204c9 >         entityUid  AA0C8B55-1887-11D6-8429-AA0004000204 9 >         streamUid  B2A794E9-1887-11D6-84DC-AA0004000204  > D >  I guess I should change some parameter, but don't have idea which > one.F >   And while we on the topic, we noticed strange behaviour of the X25E > product. When we try to restart X25, process X25$APPLD doesn't exit H > but looping somewhere. The same story with application processes whichD > use X25 API. These processes are unstoppable. STOP/ID doesn't cureC > them. I set them priority to 0 and let them run if I can't reboota= > immediately, but eventually they raise their priority to 16g$ > themselves. Does anybody see that? >   Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:01:54 +0100e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s$ Subject: Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!) Message-ID: <3C68E812.204E4FCA@gtech.com>1   Brian Tillman wrote:F > >I prefer not to edit anything that is based on unix and not on vms! > M > Then OSU should be perfect for you, since it was written from the ground upI	 > on VMS.l  ( Yep. OSU and WASD are true VMS products.  ' Purveyor is AFAIK an NT & VMS product !t   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:02:14 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202120602.4604d2ac@posting.google.com>y  g "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:<3c686340$1@news.si.com>... F > >I prefer not to edit anything that is based on unix and not on vms! > M > Then OSU should be perfect for you, since it was written from the ground up 	 > on VMS.   M we started out on osu, it has the same conveluted "conf" structure as apache,lK plus the proxy server is rough ... and both osu and apache don't perform as I well as purveyor under tcpware ... under purveyor, everything can be doneTK under gui html forms ... purveyor doesn't have to be shut down (restart) to K modify parameters (dynamic) and finally purveyor can use "dlls" and can run M more and more efficently in large environments than any other vms web server!i   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:43:34 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202120643.3829b96d@posting.google.com>e  H this was cut out of purveyors programmers manual ... I think this statesE clearly that perl and other languages can be run from either a cgi or B a "dll", written in "c" or any language "dibol" that can allow youG you to run anything you want to under purveyor ... and notice that this D is a security feature, which makes sense if you read the reason why!  K from the manual ... notice why this makes sense (security) in last line ...l  F Executables must have the extension .EXE or .DLL and command procedure= files must have the extension .COM. Executables with the .EXEnE extension are executed as separate processes whereas .DLLs are linkede7 dynamically to the address space of the server process.   F To execute other types of programs, such as PERL or TCL, you can use aD simple command procedure that invokes the interpreter appropriately.> Note that this is also a security feature, since some of theseE interpreters support options to override the input or redirect output+C and these options are not directly accessible (unless you provide a 5 mechanism to make them so via the command procedure).-   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:53:05 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Purveyor runs VMS Perl!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202120653.21bac9e4@posting.google.com>e  N > >that was it besides a startup and restart com ... and it ran the best underO > >vms, we did testing w/all 3 web servers under tcpware, ucx and multinet, and ! > >tcpware/purveyor was superior!c >  > When did you run those tests?t >   L from early 2000 th early 2001, we started w/osu, then purveyor, then apache,J but an apache problem where broken pipes crashed the server under tcpware/M multinet put us back on purveyor ... the one thing we didn't know was capable H under purveyor, failover error pages, I later figured out how to do, andB that plus performance reasons made purveyor the obvious choice ...H the testing was done not only by myself but also our vice president, andH the results were definitive ... also read my other post below that showsJ purveyor can run perl/java (we run java) and it does it more securely than apache or others ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:54:13 -0500n* From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID) Message-ID: <3C693AA5.1040906@compaq.com>s   Sammy wrote:     > H > Basically, I want to do the same thing with Group portion of the file.D > I will use stat() to pull out the st_gid from the "test.txt" file.E > then, i want to somehow get the gid given the group name (sorry forgF > all the unix syntax here, but I don't know VMS very well) and try to > match it with theg > st_gid from the test file. > F > If possible, can someone brefiely explain the difference between theE > UIC concept in VMS and the group concept in Unix. Any resources aref > greatly appreciated. >  > Sammyi >   H Note that the 16-bit "owner" part of a UIC isn't unique to a user.  For I example, my UIC is [48,1].  Taking just the "1" of the UIC isn't unique. UF   It does not indentify me at all (even worse, [48,1] may not even be H unique to me).  On my Tru64 system, my uid of 'reagan' is indeed unique B to me.  I also have a list of groups to which I belong.  I have a 1 primary gid, but my uid is all I need to be 'me'.-  B In my opinion, the longstanding tradition of the CRTL mapping the @ upper/bottom parts of the UIC to gid and uid has caused lots of  confusion and errors.          -- 7 John Reagan*' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leaderl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:38:20 +0000n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>N( Subject: Re: setting the record straight8 Message-ID: <9foh6uofr3rb34ple0fevmi3gscfe9e1sv@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:30:45 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    H >By contrast, Hammer will gain market share the same way P4 is currentlyF >doing so:  by being the faster, upward-compatible replacement for theK >previous AMD generation (Athlon/Duron) that just happens to offer a 64-bitcL >operating mode as well.  The only way Hammer won't enjoy significant market@ >share is if AMD ceases to hold significant (IA32) market share.  5 How about this for an interesting bit of speculation? ' http://www.theinquirer.net/11020203.htmp  0 Will Sun adopt AMD roadmap for its Linux boxes?     Intel Sun's enemy, AMD's friend & By Mike Magee, 11/02/2002 09:17:16 BST    A WE THINK IT'S TIME for some very wild and crazy speculation abouteB which chips Sun will use in its all out onslaught on low box Linux boxes.= Because Sun is Intel's enemy, does that make it AMD's friend?i  E When AMD started making public noises about Hammer in press releases,0A it was noticeable to us here at the INQ that one of its publicityk< shots gave prominence in its first or second paragraph to an* endorsement by Sun of its X86-64 platform.  F  On the 18th of August 2000, AMD, in a release about the architectural< spec of the X86-64, the second paragraph said the following:  C "Sun Microsystems' Solaris team is very excited about AMD's x86-64SF technology. We applaud AMD's ISV compatibility and upgrade strategy asF well as their open technology announcement today. We will be followingE their progress closely as this technology comes to market," said Anil < Gadre, vice president and general manager for Solaris at Sun Microsystems."   ... More at link...      -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:37:34 -0800 ) From: "Paul Frommeyer" <corwin@palas.com>n Subject: Re: SMTP Spam Filter.8 Message-ID: <200202120837.g1C8bZjF014761@milo.palas.com>  : In reply to your message of Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:19:09 EST:J | Thanks for the heads up.  I guess I will remove that section of code.  II | will still use an indexed file and track my own spammers list.  I wouldaI | like to find some sort of DNS-lookup site that is tracking some of thishF | garbage.  but it is like trying to stop the Mississippi River with a | bucket that is full of holes.  | --  E Actually, the news is good, especially depending on how zealously youdE wish to engage in spam blocking. MAPS (Mail Abuse Prevention Systems) D offers a subscription service which, as one might expect for $$$, is- reportedly very robust with frequent updates.  www.mail-abuse.org for details.   F ORBZ (Open Relay Blackhole Zone) is a publicly accessible DNS databaseE of offending systems. Since my 6350 is temporarily powered down, I've2E tied my BSD sendmail system into ORBZ, and have seen a an approximate C 60% reduction in spam. (85% overall, but I use a strict config that B blocks various rude behaviors and DNS mischief as well as uses the5 inevitable local blacklist). Details at www.orbz.org.9  . Hope this helps keep VMS free of this scourge, 	Cheers, 		Paul  N Paul Frommeyer                                                corwin@palas.comN Internet Consultant, Paul's Fone Company                  http://www.palas.comB       Terabit routing, Peering, Metro Ethernet, Content Networking   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:05:50 -0700-+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>i Subject: Re: SMTP Spam Filter.' Message-ID: <3C692F4E.3090909@mmaz.com>C  & --------------0001080904030602060800059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed, Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Michael Austin wrote:1  H >>The orbs.org site closed up shop last year, got into legal trouble andG >>decided to close instead of trying to stay in operation under tighteroJ >>rules.  There are three sites out there trying to serve the same purposeH >>as ORBS, don't happen to have their URL's though.  I have not seen one? >>of their test messages in the spam trap here recently though.t >>
 >>Joe Heimannl >> >>heimann@ecs.umass.edue >> >,I >Thanks for the heads up.  I guess I will remove that section of code.  IdH >will still use an indexed file and track my own spammers list.  I wouldH >like to find some sort of DNS-lookup site that is tracking some of thisE >garbage.  but it is like trying to stop the Mississippi River with al >bucket that is full of holes. >eF orbs.org may be gone, but orbz.org is still around as are many others  which do work to some extent...s   Barry    --    @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028d      & --------------000108090403060206080005) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit,   <html> <head> </head>i <body> Michael Austin wrote:<br>aH <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:3C6889AD.401A61BB@firstdbasource.com">   <blockquote type="cite">    <pre wrap="">The orbs.org site closed up shop last year, got into legal trouble and<br>decided to close instead of trying to stay in operation under tighter<br>rules.  There are three sites out there trying to serve the same purpose<br>as ORBS, don't happen to have their URL's though.  I have not seen one<br>of their test messages in the spam trap here recently though.<br><br>Joe Heimann<br><br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:heimann@ecs.umass.edu">heimann@ecs.umass.edu</a><br></pre>d     </blockquote> m    <pre wrap=""><!----><br>Thanks for the heads up.  I guess I will remove that section of code.  I<br>will still use an indexed file and track my own spammers list.  I would<br>like to find some sort of DNS-lookup site that is tracking some of this<br>garbage.  but it is like trying to stop the Mississippi River with a<br>bucket that is full of holes.<br></pre>k     </blockquote> K orbs.org may be gone, but orbz.org is still around as are many others which  do work to some extent...<br>i     <br>	 Barry<br>d6     <pre class="moz-signature" cols="$mailwrapcol">--   D Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President &amp; CIO    E-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Treahy@mmaz.com">Treahy@mmaz.com</a> * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028</pre>N     <br>     </body>      </html>-  ( --------------000108090403060206080005--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:57:19 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ! Subject: Re: SORT to indexed file-, Message-ID: <3C68E6FD.3F208E27@videotron.ca>   Dirk Munk wrote:G > usefull. If the primary key has duplicates however (possible, but notoG > often used), sort may give you a file with the record area sorted the<  > way you would like to have it.   Thanks. That makes sense.D  D Could this be used to sort secondary keys ?  I remember having a DCLM application accessing an indexed file with secondary key (lots of duplicates) N and it had to convert the file after making changes to ensure that the recordsM would be accessed in the the primary key order inside the secondary key. (eg:t. get me the first tape whose status is "FREE").  ? Would SORT turn out to be more efficient than convert on this ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:08:16 +0100a From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: SORT to indexed file-& Message-ID: <3C695A10.9010807@home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:m   >Dirk Munk wrote:t >mF >>useful. If the primary key has duplicates however (possible, but notG >>often used), sort may give you a file with the record area sorted the.  >>way you would like to have it. >> >  >Thanks. That makes sense. >aE >Could this be used to sort secondary keys ?  I remember having a DCL N >application accessing an indexed file with secondary key (lots of duplicates)O >and it had to convert the file after making changes to ensure that the recordssN >would be accessed in the the primary key order inside the secondary key. (eg:/ >get me the first tape whose status is "FREE").d >e@ >Would SORT turn out to be more efficient than convert on this ? >fB No, sorry. This is a typical example of a wrong file design. When F designing a indexed file, you always have to think very careful which I way you want to access the file. The keys should always (!!) reflect the nI exact sequences you want the file to be accessed, without any additional  C "tricks". This can mean that certain data is duplicated within the s9 record if that is necessary to produce the keys you need.,  F Many duplicates will be the cause of very poor performance, specially H when writing a new duplicate entry. It can be beneficial to add data to F a key field in order to make it more unique, even if you don't really  need that data.a   Example:  G Suppose you have a file with a million records, and every record has a pI one byte key field with some status. That status can have a value from 0 pH to 9. That means there are (at least) 100000 duplicates of every key !! I Writing a new record in such a file will be very time consuming, because nI RMS will start reading with the first entry of a given value, read on to 0H the last entry of that value, and then add a new key entry. Now suppose G you would add a time stamp to this 1 byte field. That would make every tJ key unique (or almost unique), and inserting a new key would be very fast.  F This is just an example of course, there can be many ways how you can G make a key more unique. And don't forget that you can use parts of the l record in more than one key.   Example:  G Let's assume the records in this file have a unique primary key with a TG value from 1 to 99,999,999. Now if you place the status field in front iE of the primary key, you can easily produce a unique secondary key on   status sequence.  ' Primary key: start position 1, lenght 8 ' Status key: start position 0, length 9.e  I It is not so difficult to design a efficient indexed file, once you know 0' the basic principles of indexed files.     ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:32:24 -0800' From: steve.esson@esa.int (hieronymous)  Subject: TCPIP$Config  problems9= Message-ID: <fe9697fd.0202120632.5eabc3a9@posting.google.com>D  P I recently installed TCPIP 5.1 but I have a problem completing the configurationJ due to a syntax error in TCPIP$CONFIG.com;      When I start it, then takeH the option 3, "Server Components", then "A",  I see the following error: (with set verify)e   -----e3     $MENUC_TODO_L = "0" + ":05" + ":07" + MC_FINGERp%     ":14" + ":18" + ":17" + ":11" + -iJ     %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling      \":14"\     ":08" + ":13" + ":16 + -
     $EXIT: -----   O Clearly missing the "-" at the end of the first line but unfortunately the line1, itself is generated within TCPIP$CONFIG.com.  ; Anybody else get this?  ..or an idea for getting out of it?eM Alternatively, the reason I installed 5.1 was for the XDM support;  how can Ih- configure XDM without using TCPIP$CONFIG.com?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:41:02 +0100e$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr># Subject: Re: TCPIP$Config  problemsU1 Message-ID: <0R9a8.238$Jh4.1810@news.cpqcorp.net>o  4 "hieronymous" <steve.esson@esa.int> wrote in message7 news:fe9697fd.0202120632.5eabc3a9@posting.google.com... D > I recently installed TCPIP 5.1 but I have a problem completing the
 configurationmL > due to a syntax error in TCPIP$CONFIG.com;      When I start it, then takeJ > the option 3, "Server Components", then "A",  I see the following error: > (with set verify)t >n > -----w5 >     $MENUC_TODO_L = "0" + ":05" + ":07" + MC_FINGER ' >     ":14" + ":18" + ":17" + ":11" + -sL >     %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >      \":14"\ >     ":08" + ":13" + ":16 + - >     $EXIT: > -----s >iL > Clearly missing the "-" at the end of the first line but unfortunately the line. > itself is generated within TCPIP$CONFIG.com. >e= > Anybody else get this?  ..or an idea for getting out of it? I > Alternatively, the reason I installed 5.1 was for the XDM support;  howe can It/ > configure XDM without using TCPIP$CONFIG.com?y  J This problem in Tcpip$config is a bug in Dcl.exe, and is corrected  by the patch VMS721_DCL-V0200	 Get it at 5 http://ftp.digital.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/845.htm4   It says, among other thingsi    C   o  Attempting to execute the TCPIP$CONFIG.COM  procedure  resultsdC      in an ACCVIO terminating the process.  Following is an exampleo      of the process crash:             $ @TCPIP$CONFIGl  G      Checking TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS configuration database files.l  E      Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.a  2      Signal arguments:   Number = 00000000000000052                          Name   = 000000000000000C2                                   00000000000000002                                   00000000000000012                                   000000007AFC4B502                                   0000000000000012    *           Images Affected: [SYSEXE]DCL.EXE  * And you should put the Eco 3 of  Tcpip 5.1   Regardse   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:37:44 -0800o' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>u7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patentse+ Message-ID: <3C6944D8.775EAD3C@caltech.edu>c   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 6 > In article <VA.0000052f.17ee1807@bluewin.delete.ch>,4 >  Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> writes: > |>M > |> OK, let's take a step back and talk of academia (which you know far moredO > |> about than me), where folks can maybe afford to develop software for free.m > |>; > Academia needs money just as much as any other business. r  N Two points here.  First, academic software is protected by copyrights and needL not be patented.  Secondly, a lot of this software is developed under grants fromN the U.S. Government (NIH, NSF) and one can make a fair argument that since the publicO paid for it they should be able to have it for free. Unfortunately the US Gov'sy positionM on this is really addled, they pay for it and then tell the Universities thatp theyK may turn around and sell the results.  Personally I find this perverse - ite turnswL the universities into for profit organizations (no matter what else they may claim)M and the Government into a venture capitalist of the worst kind (the kind that. never P makes any money on its investment.)  For software used in research it results in codeO being distributed as binaries which makes it exceedingly difficult to determinea if theO code is working correctly.  This is analogous to not publishing full details of- an experimental M protocol - it more or less makes it impossible to exactly replicate work doneo
 elsewhere.P And these bugs can be very subtle.  I read only a week or so ago about a physics group O that found a sign error in a rarely employed sectin of a commonly used piece of  code.lK If that program had been distributed only as binaries the folks in questiont wouldoP have had a devil of a time reconciling the error they were seen in its results. 
 (I suspectG it took them many months to find it even with the source code in hand.)l    M My biggest problem with software patents is that most frequently it means "heI who encountersN a problem first owns it".  This is ridiculous, it's like saying that the first
 guy who needs K to multiply two numbers together owns the result, and anybody else who everm needs to do thatI problem must pay him for the owner.  In the vast majority of cases if youfN presented a group of programmers (for instance, 10) with the original problem, none of themP ever having seen the  patent in question (clean room), one or more of them wouldO come up with the patented solution.  In other words, software patents are beingo( granted that do not satisfy a reasonable criteria for "non-obviousness".o   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:08:12 +0000P1 From: Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net>  Subject: TLZ06 question:- Message-ID: <3C68DB7C.358815D3@starpower.net>n  H I have a TLZ06-AA drive that I tested in a MicroVAX 3100/40 with VMS 7.11 It works fine and ">show dev" lists it just once.   D I then installed it in a 4000/105A in the same cluster.  In the 105A& ">show dev" and ">show scsi" produces:   -MKA500 (DEC TLZ06)y
 -MKA501 ()
 -MKA502 ()
 -MKA503 ()
 -MKA504 ()
 -MKA505 ()
 -MKA506 ()
 -MKA507 ()  @ The drive works just fine and VMS "show dev" only lists it once.  + Are the 501..507 devices none zero LUN's?  o  Why does it produce this output?  B I also have a TZ30 on a 4000/106A and a TLZ07 on another 4000/106AE and they only show up once for a ">show dev" or ">show scsi" command.r     Thanks Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:58:20 -0500D* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: TLZ06 questionE- Message-ID: <0033000052802105000002L052*@MHS>e  6 =0AIf ">show dev" only gives you tape drives then this0 problem is way down your list of things to solve    :^)  ( SCSI doesn't like something you've done.  7 I've seen this before more than once but don't rememberw& if the same thing caused it each time.  3 Lotsa them puppies come with an internal SCSI driver set to address 0.a  6 I see your tape drive is 0, too-- this could be what's wrong.  ; What do you see with SHOW DEV/SHOW SCSI with the tape drivep *not* connected?   Other possibilities:  $ * Terminator not securely connected.  @ * Too many or too few terminators (don't forget those internals)D   (If external device, was auto-termination of external turned off?)  C * A few a them controllers don't like internal AND external device.c   * SCSI bus is too long.o  ; (The first S in SCSI is for SMALL.  The second, for SYSTEM.a@  It is a common misconception that one of them is for STANDARD.)   WWWebb -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:16 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: TLZ06 question     H I have a TLZ06-AA drive that I tested in a MicroVAX 3100/40 with VMS 7.= 1a1 It works fine and ">show dev" lists it just once.   D I then installed it in a 4000/105A in the same cluster.  In the 105A& ">show dev" and ">show scsi" produces:   -MKA500 (DEC TLZ06)c
 -MKA501 ()
 -MKA502 ()
 -MKA503 ()
 -MKA504 ()
 -MKA505 ()
 -MKA506 ()
 -MKA507 ()  @ The drive works just fine and VMS "show dev" only lists it once.  ) Are the 501..507 devices none zero LUN's?l  Why does it produce this output?  B I also have a TZ30 on a 4000/106A and a TLZ07 on another 4000/106AE and they only show up once for a ">show dev" or ">show scsi" command.t     Thanks Robert=    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2002 14:41:56 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)s Subject: Re: TLZ06 questiono0 Message-ID: <a4b9jk$som$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  a In article <3C68DB7C.358815D3@starpower.net>, Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> writes:rI >I have a TLZ06-AA drive that I tested in a MicroVAX 3100/40 with VMS 7.1 2 >It works fine and ">show dev" lists it just once. >rE >I then installed it in a 4000/105A in the same cluster.  In the 105A	' >">show dev" and ">show scsi" produces:  >  >-MKA500 (DEC TLZ06) >-MKA501 ()s >-MKA502 ()t >-MKA503 ()P >-MKA504 ()m >-MKA505 ()  >-MKA506 ()/ >-MKA507 ()m > A >The drive works just fine and VMS "show dev" only lists it once.  >-, >Are the 501..507 devices none zero LUN's?    L Yes, VMS shows LUNs this way. But why it offers all these LUNs I don't know.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann3  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:55:35 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: TLZ06 question.) Message-ID: <3C694907.672F0F06@127.0.0.1>p   Robert DiRosario wrote:a > F > I then installed it in a 4000/105A in the same cluster.  In the 105A( > ">show dev" and ">show scsi" produces: >  > -MKA500 (DEC TLZ06)  > -MKA501 () > -MKA502 () > -MKA503 () > -MKA504 () > -MKA505 () > -MKA506 () > -MKA507 ()  B I've seen this when you use the same SCSI ID as another device, inE particular the controller, but I'm surprised you say it works in this  case, so I'm not so sure.r  C Maybe you have an internal device powered off but with the ID 5 anda still cabled in?   -- 3( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com2   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:06:23 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)- Subject: Re: Ultimate Workstation vs. AS 1200u< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202120606.f20a3ad@posting.google.com>  V Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message news:<3C685CA1.F103E2FB@rdrop.com>...6 > > >AFAIK, OpenVMS does unfortunately NOT work on the > > >Ultimate Workstation. Sighu > 5 > SHHH! Don't tell mine, eh?  I've been running 7.2-1i4 > on it for some time now.  It is true that it won't > like the video card- so?  - sure runs good on a personal work station ...    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 09:28:17 -0800) From: john@ossc.net (John Gemignani, Jr.)i- Subject: Re: Ultimate Workstation vs. AS 1200r= Message-ID: <35b06b78.0202120928.5a3fbc83@posting.google.com>s  l bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0202120606.f20a3ad@posting.google.com>...X > Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> wrote in message news:<3C685CA1.F103E2FB@rdrop.com>...8 > > > >AFAIK, OpenVMS does unfortunately NOT work on the! > > > >Ultimate Workstation. Sighk > > 7 > > SHHH! Don't tell mine, eh?  I've been running 7.2-1o6 > > on it for some time now.  It is true that it won't > > like the video card- so? > / > sure runs good on a personal work station ...s  E Mine has been running VMS for months now and up until yesterday I wasME using it as a web server.  Since I like using it for work I moved thek6 server to my AS600 (which also runs my DNS and email).  D VMS seems to like it fine (bought it on eBay, shhhh), even the videoE card.  I did lose a fan a month ago, but I had some spare CPUs from a-D 4xxx and I swapped the fans (CPU cards look like taller 4xxx ones). F The memory is configured a little differently, though.  The system boxE is supposed to be out of a 1200 from what I have read.  I transfer my C work from home office and work office using removable storage workseE drives.  I like that a lot, and my system came with a DE500, which isa! also nice.  It's a great machine.t   -John.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:47:29 GMTy? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)l. Subject: Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <3c69469b.28269058@news.demon.co.uk>  > Use SYS$CREATE_UID, which has been documented in the DECdtm V2A documentation, although it's been in the system since about V5.4.    Jim.    B On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:52:18 -0000, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:-  
 >Hi Folks, >-K >Does anyone have source code available for generating UUID's (aka GUID's) >H >on OpenVMS, preferably in C or C++?  We've found a unix-based one, but J >we're hoping to avoid the porting effort - it's pretty platform specific. >hK >We're also looking at DCE (which I believe has this capability built-in), fL >but I would like to have the source code option available too, if possible. >T >Thanks, >a >wse >. >--  >u >Warren Spencero( >Senior Software Engineer (not a writer) >The Associated Pressc >i= >** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **d   Jim Johnsone Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:52:18 -0000m- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) * Subject: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS7 Message-ID: <91B360DCEwarrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>a  	 Hi Folks,n  J Does anyone have source code available for generating UUID's (aka GUID's) G on OpenVMS, preferably in C or C++?  We've found a unix-based one, but !I we're hoping to avoid the porting effort - it's pretty platform specific.   J We're also looking at DCE (which I believe has this capability built-in), K but I would like to have the source code option available too, if possible.d   Thanks,i   ws   -- s   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)d The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:54:55 -0000p- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) . Subject: Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS7 Message-ID: <91B38DD74warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>h  B Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) wrote in& <3c69469b.28269058@news.demon.co.uk>:   ? >Use SYS$CREATE_UID, which has been documented in the DECdtm V2sB >documentation, although it's been in the system since about V5.4. >n >Jim.a >a    L Thanks Jim.  Can't find SYS$CREATE_UID in the system services manual.  What 
 is DECdtm?   ws   >eC >On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:52:18 -0000, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warrens >Spencer) wrote: >  >>Hi Folks,u >>C >>Does anyone have source code available for generating UUID's (aka'G >>GUID's) on OpenVMS, preferably in C or C++?  We've found a unix-based A >>one, but we're hoping to avoid the porting effort - it's prettym >>platform specific.   >>@ >>We're also looking at DCE (which I believe has this capabilityF >>built-in), but I would like to have the source code option available >>too, if possible.  >>	 >>Thanks,p >> >>ws >> >>--   >> >>Warren Spencer) >>Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)t >>The Associated Press >>> >>** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. ** >  >Jim Johnson >Software Exploration, Ltd.2* >(remove '.nospam' from the reply address) >.   -- e   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)f The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 06:04:49 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski). Subject: Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202120604.4bcb4a8c@posting.google.com>-  k Peter Kukla <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<NDZ98.37632$s43.11843059@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>...V9 > I've been looking around, but haven't been able to findg7 > anything resembling a VMS user's group in the Central < > Ohio area.  Does anybody know whether such a thing exists? >  >  > Thanks...e >  > -peter  8 never heard of one here, let us know of you find one ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:11:17 -0800t+ From: "Mike Scott" <mscott_NOSPAM@axys.com>h: Subject: Wanted: a more 'open' solution than ClusterServer Message-ID: <3c69605a@nubby2.>  C I've got a handful of OpenVMS workstations that need to share data. D ClusterServer would seem to be the answer, BUT I've also got WindozeD workstations that need access to the same data.  I have a productionL environment that is not tolerant to bumps, so I can't consider non-supportedL solutions (Samba).  We are Netware-centric and I would LOVE a netware clientJ for VMS, but sadly there appears to be no market for this (so therefore no current solutions).o Anyone gone here?,   ------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 12 Feb 02 10:52:02 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com5? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...) + Message-ID: <a4b3v5$8e6$5@bob.news.rcn.net>b  * In article <3C68212E.C530CF34@pandora.be>,.    Jose Arroyo <Jose.Arroyo@pandora.be> wrote: >- >s >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:  > ( >> In article <a3jkt7$4t1@web.nmti.com>,- >>    peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:PK >> >In article <a3bc69$3kf$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: G >> >> Portable???!!!  What are you talking about?  The purpose of an OS;3 >> >> is to deliver computing services to the user.O >> >I >> >The purpose of the OS is to manage resources on behalf of application  >> programs. >> >G >> >A portable OS is one that provides the same abstraction on multiple.
 >> platforms., >> >G >> >The implementation may be slightly or even significantly different,e >> dependingG >> >on the hardware design and how the OS is laid out... but there's a   clearhK >> >advantage to not making people rewrite their apps every time they get ae >> new
 >> >computer.t >>K >> I wouldn't call this a _portable_ OS.  I'd call it backwards compatible.rD >> My interpretation of portable is a program that doesn't care whatE >> hardware it runs on.  At the OS level it had better care about the I >> hardware it's running on...or how else is it going to trap interrupts,0C >> set up IOWD (IO words), or deliver software packets to specified ? >> hardware addresses?  These intimate little details cannot becD >> invisible to an OS.  If it is invisible, then the OS is merely anG >> app.  The TOPS-10 emulators are apps.  A TOPS-10 running under those ? >> emulators becomes an app because _it has no knowledge of theu
 >> hardware_.s >> > >oH >Totally agree. I think one uses term "portability" for OSes. Yet I have= >never seen a portable OS. Portability should be a applied to8 >applications. AG >"portable" OS is like a group of C-programs that only use non-hardware,D >related, standard, calls. That is not completely an OS. Sometimes I
 >wonder ifE >those people talking about OS portability knows really what an OS is  >(all  >about)n  ? I don't wonder about it.  They don't know.  And, before you all.= flame that comment, we had developers working on our OSes who ; didn't know what an OS was.  Some of them created disasterse" because of that lack of knowledge.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:04:44 GMT., From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})( Subject: Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...% Message-ID: <1013508284snz@dsl.co.uk>a  . In article <3C67CB06.9050107@brussels.sgi.com>7            al@brussels.sgi.com "Alexis Cousein" writes:o  D > 96 is "Quatre-vingt dix-neuf" (four twenty and nineteen) in France. > and "nonante neuf" (ninety nine) in Belgium.  E See, I told you you'd suffer ~3% inflation if you joined the Euro :-)f   -- sM Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uktM     "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one ofiM     distributed ignorance.  And we know and understand less while being incr- M     easingly capable."              Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labsn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:35:00 GMTy) From: "Dik T. Winter" <Dik.Winter@cwi.nl>r( Subject: Re: [off-topic] eighty et al... Message-ID: <GrF46D.E2p@cwi.nl>   O In article <3C683E37.6A74B65@gmx.de> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes:v  > Alexis Cousein schrieb:G  > > 96 is "Quatre-vingt dix-neuf" (four twenty and nineteen) in Francet1  > > and "nonante neuf" (ninety nine) in Belgium.   > yE  > I've heard both "ottante" and "nonante", but it seems to come from I  > arabic influence (there is a fairly large arabic population in France,i;  > and to them, quatre-vingt dis-neuf is really unnatural).b  F Nonante and septante are in the Walloon version of French.  Ottante isD in the southern French version.  (Some of these also do occur in theD Swiss version of French.)  At least that was the case traditionally; it may have changed. -- hN dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131K home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:33:18 GMTi/ From: junkmail@moreira.mv.com (Alberto Moreira)l( Subject: Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...* Message-ID: <3c691926.1265339@news.mv.net>  1 Also sprach "Dik T. Winter" <Dik.Winter@cwi.nl> :u  P >In article <3C683E37.6A74B65@gmx.de> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: > > Alexis Cousein schrieb:nH > > > 96 is "Quatre-vingt dix-neuf" (four twenty and nineteen) in France2 > > > and "nonante neuf" (ninety nine) in Belgium. > > F > > I've heard both "ottante" and "nonante", but it seems to come fromJ > > arabic influence (there is a fairly large arabic population in France,< > > and to them, quatre-vingt dis-neuf is really unnatural). >oG >Nonante and septante are in the Walloon version of French.  Ottante isoE >in the southern French version.  (Some of these also do occur in the E >Swiss version of French.)  At least that was the case traditionally;o >it may have changed.c  B The prefixes "Oct" and "Nov" come from Latin. I don't have a LatinA dictionary around, but I bet you'll find those forms in the Latinl! words for "eighty" and "ninety". t     Alberto.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.084 ************************