0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 85      Contents: Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: 1 Year uptime A Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more A Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more  Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL  Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL  Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL  Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL  Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL  Re: Bug Check #03C0  Re: csws_php and Multinet? Re: csws_php and Multinet? Re: data corrupted block DCPS Documentation Re: DCPS Documentation Re: DCPS Documentation Re: DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP  Re: DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP  Re: DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP  ES40 with 4 cpu's! Re: FIND vs. DFU Re: Image Backup speed Re: license checksum info 4 Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime8 RE: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime8 Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime8 Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS# Mounting CD takes VMS 7.2-1 down... P Re: Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services? References: <QfG98.35810$s43.109N Re: OT: XP Kernel Improvements Create a More Robust, Powerful, and	Scalable OS Re: Pathworks 32 on Windows XP Re: Question about Group ID  Re: Question about Group ID  SNMP Vulnerability Advisory . Re: The stupidity of granting software patents Re: TLZ06 question RE: TLZ06 question Re: TLZ06 question Re: TLZ06 question& Re: Transferring O/S to new hard driveM Use of free physical memory by VCC cache, XFC, RAMDRIVE. Any negative impact? % Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS % Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS % Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS % Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS % Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio? % Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio? 5 Re: Wanted: a more 'open' solution than ClusterServer P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com [even further off-topic] euro's  Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...  Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...  Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:21:53 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime, Message-ID: <3C696B4C.3B4DAF05@videotron.ca>   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > I think Compaq should take on the PC world. Show a bunch of business type people working on deadlines when their computer crashes (a simulated `sad mac`, a simulated blue screen) - then show kids playing video games on the same computer.  > R > "You trust your business - to toys?" with PCs running windows in the datacenter.  M Compaq was not about to destroy its core business with such ads. Compaq was a R PC company. When Pfeiffer tried to transform it into something more, he was fired.  J And the new owner seems to have a similar policy of considering Wintel itsF core business, according to Carly's speeches and filings with the SEC.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 13:30:46 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime3 Message-ID: <5PR8jGMB+bcW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <00A09758.E03A13CA.4@leva.leeds.ac.uk>, Ted Allwood <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> writes: H > OK, I know its nothing exceptional for a VMS system, but my web server2 > just passed the one year since last reboot mark: > M > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365 01:40:48  > D > Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to > mark the occasion?  > Somebody could implement such a program, providing the logo to- successful applicants only in nonpaged pool !    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:42:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime, Message-ID: <3C697038.5E281C76@videotron.ca>  O > > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365 01:40:48  > > F > > Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to > > mark the occasion?  P Since we take VMS' uptime for granted, how about a kudos to your power company ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:11:31 -0500 + From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com>  Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime1 Message-ID: <81ca8.248$Jh4.1994@news.cpqcorp.net>   5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message " news:3C694727.B49887A@127.0.0.1... > Kevin Handy wrote: > > @ > > How about a Windows icon with a big red circle-with-slash on > > top of it? > % > I just had a really wicked thought.  > ; > "VMS. Who needs viagra when it stays up as long as this?"  > I > Hmmm. A nice euphemistic marketing campaign is what the industry needs!  > --* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot com   9 Very much like Marty's T-shirt from a few symposia ago...  "Can't Keep it Up?  You need VMS!"   $ Proud owner of one of the few shirts --	 Mike Kier  Compaq Professional Services Cincinnati, OH, USA  michael.kier@compaq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:13:50 -0500 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime3 Message-ID: <IXca8.4628$EI.26107@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>    > > > How about a Windows icon with a big red circle-with-slash on > top of it? >    There you go! 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It could be divided by years.  I Then again I'm not sure I have enough space on my server for such a large 	 list.  :)   I If interested let me know.  Shouldn't take long to throw together.  I can ? get some images made that can be proudly displayed on websites.    -- Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPTC.com      9 "Ted Allwood" <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message , news:00A09758.E03A13CA.4@leva.leeds.ac.uk...H > OK, I know its nothing exceptional for a VMS system, but my web server2 > just passed the one year since last reboot mark: > D > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365 01:40:48 > D > Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to > mark the occasion? >  > 
 > REgards, > Ted  >  > --G > Support@leva.leeds.ac.uk                                Tel:  0113 23  32167 - > www.mech-eng.leeds.ac.uk/support/index.html I > School of Mechanical Engineering,  University of Leeds,  Leeds  LS2 9JT    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:27:13 GMT " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: 1 Year uptime0 Message-ID: <lxha8.999$Yf1.5107@typhoon.bart.nl>  K A dual 8250, dual HSC50 was kept up and running for 1008 days. The shutdown  was - required for the VMS upgrade (4.7->5.1 IIRC). L The HSC50's remained up and running for a very long time. The entire cluster was on UPS.   
 Hans Vlems  4 Kenneth Farmer <kfarmer@farmer.org> wrote in message: news:_wfa8.127656$a07.36352911@typhoon.southeast.rr.com...L > I could put up a page on OpenVMS.org with uptimes.  It could be divided by > years. > K > Then again I'm not sure I have enough space on my server for such a large  > list.  :)  > K > If interested let me know.  Shouldn't take long to throw together.  I can A > get some images made that can be proudly displayed on websites.  >  > -- > Kenneth Farmer > http://www.Tru64.org > http://www.OpenVMS.org > http://www.LinuxHPTC.com >  >  > ; > "Ted Allwood" <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> wrote in message . > news:00A09758.E03A13CA.4@leva.leeds.ac.uk...J > > OK, I know its nothing exceptional for a VMS system, but my web server4 > > just passed the one year since last reboot mark: > > F > > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365
 > 01:40:48 > > F > > Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to > > mark the occasion? > >  > >  > > REgards, > > Ted  > >  > > --I > > Support@leva.leeds.ac.uk                                Tel:  0113 23  > 32167 / > > www.mech-eng.leeds.ac.uk/support/index.html K > > School of Mechanical Engineering,  University of Leeds,  Leeds  LS2 9JT  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2002 19:26 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) J Subject: Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more- Message-ID: <12FEB200219265936@gerg.tamu.edu>   = Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> writes... - }John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote: & }: Does it always use it's own alloca? } A }I had a set break alloca, and it got breaks there from all over.  }-Roar  ? While this indicates that this routine is used, it does nothing 8 to tell you whether or not it ever uses a different one.  B Making sure it ONLY uses that routine to do this is more difficult# than demonstrating that it is used.   C Beware the typo. Beware case sensitivity. Beware all kinds of other  things, too.  	 --- Carl     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:02:40 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> J Subject: Re: ASTFLT in emacs21 - was Re: emacs21 working a little bit more( Message-ID: <3C69DA32.90801@qsl.network>   Roar Throns wrote: . > John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote:= > : [Title changed to attract the attention of other program] ' > : Does it always use it's own alloca?  > B > I had a set break alloca, and it got breaks there from all over.  I Let me rephrase the question.  Is emac's use of it's own alloca function  A based on compile / build time options, or does it allways use it?   B The C alloca() function must be implemented as a built-in to work B properly.  It assumes that the memory allocated is freed when the ! procedure returns to it's caller.   C This makes it almost impossible to properly implement a substitute   alloca function.  D If you are using a substitute alloca function, then there must be a D free_alloca function called at every point the procedure could exit.  D And if you are doing that, you might as well just use a malloc() or  free() routine.b  I You are seeing alloca() being called.  Are you ever seeing the allocated u
 memory freed?e    B Another gotcha, is that the Compaq C, and other compilers have an C understanding of some of the standard C library functions and will  : compile them inline instead of generating procedure calls.  A Some Opensource programmers think that if they specify their own  I procedures with the same names in a different module, that their routine r: will be called instead of the one in the standard library.  G Depending on how your link command is set up, you may or may not get a a duplicate symbol warning.m   > E > Someone said they got gcc3 compiled on VMS with bash and configure, - > but I have problems with a recent GNV bash.SL > I will concentrate on getting Emacs working, autoconf will be tried later.  G When you get Emacs working, you will not need to get autoconf working. YI You will already have the answers needed for OpenVMS until the next time oG that the maintainers of the UNIX version make a change that requires a t new configure test.1  F If you have the PCA program from DECSET, it may be able to give you a H profile history before the ASTFLT.  It has been years since I have used F that package now.  A license for it is in the Hobbyist kit.  I do not 6 think that the media is on the hobbyist CD-ROM though.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyo   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 14:23:50 -08003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>e( Subject: Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL0 Message-ID: <qh3d06mj9l.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:I > why not use bliss to create a "freevms" version so we can get away fromoI > Capellas and Carly if they try to shove windows or unix down our throatI > like Palmer did?   I wrote:H > If you're going to go to the trouble of writing a replacement for VMS,? > you might as well do it in a more commonly accepted language.n  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > You mean Ada, right?  F If I were writing a "large" operating system [*], I would probably useD Ada or Modula-3 [**].  Ada-83 had some serious drawbacks for systems4 programming, but these have been remedied in Ada-95.  ? However, in order for a new operating system to gain widespread0D acceptance as a general-purpose computing platform, it seems that it. probably needs to be written in C or C++.  :-(   Eric    I [*] as opposed to a tiny embedded kernel on an 8-bit microcontroller with /     very limited memory, e.g., a Microchip PIC.r  - [**] Modula-3 is much different than Modula-2s   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 17:04:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t( Subject: Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL3 Message-ID: <PG3+BvDL$mt3@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  f In article <qh3d06mj9l.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>, Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> writes:, > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:J >> why not use bliss to create a "freevms" version so we can get away fromJ >> Capellas and Carly if they try to shove windows or unix down our throat >> like Palmer did?- > 
 > I wrote:I >> If you're going to go to the trouble of writing a replacement for VMS,j@ >> you might as well do it in a more commonly accepted language. > 6 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: >> You mean Ada, right?@ > H > If I were writing a "large" operating system [*], I would probably useF > Ada or Modula-3 [**].  Ada-83 had some serious drawbacks for systems6 > programming, but these have been remedied in Ada-95. > A > However, in order for a new operating system to gain widespreadtF > acceptance as a general-purpose computing platform, it seems that it0 > probably needs to be written in C or C++.  :-(  C How does the operating system implementation language have anything-> to do with languages chosen by users of the operating system ?  8 I don't think MVS was written in Cobol or OS/400 in RPG.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 16:56:29 -08003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>0( Subject: Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL0 Message-ID: <qh8z9ykxmq.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>   I wrote:A > However, in order for a new operating system to gain widespreadtF > acceptance as a general-purpose computing platform, it seems that it0 > probably needs to be written in C or C++.  :-(  / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: E > How does the operating system implementation language have anythings@ > to do with languages chosen by users of the operating system ?   It doesn't.   A It has to be acceptable to the people who are going to do systemse programming work.   : > I don't think MVS was written in Cobol or OS/400 in RPG.  C No, and neither is a new operating system trying to gain widespread H acceptance.  In fact, neither attempts to even be portable.  If you want? to write a proprietary operating system to run on only a singleoB platform, you *might* be successful writing it in any language youE choose.  But probably not; the vast majority of proprietary operatingrH systems that have been developed are defunct.  Only a small fraction are still commercially available.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:18:57 -0500S( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL, Message-ID: <3C69CD11.2060003@tsoft-inc.com>   Eric Smith wrote:     E > No, and neither is a new operating system trying to gain widespread J > acceptance.  In fact, neither attempts to even be portable.  If you wantA > to write a proprietary operating system to run on only a singlemD > platform, you *might* be successful writing it in any language youG > choose.  But probably not; the vast majority of proprietary operatingtJ > systems that have been developed are defunct.  Only a small fraction are > still commercially available.s >     ? The issue of portability does restrict the language(s) options.0    H I'm not sure what's meant by the usage of 'proprietary'.  Are there any E true non-proprietary operating systems currently available?  It's my  H understanding that even Linux has it's specifications, kernel, and such  controlled by Linus and others.i  H That aside, yes, there have been many operating systems thru the years, E many specific to certain hardware.  Others have operated on multiple PB types of hardware.  There's been the natural attrition, caused by  'survival of the fittest'.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 22:35:55 -08003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>`( Subject: Re: BLISS for C Programmers URL0 Message-ID: <qhn0ydhos4.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  * David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:E > I'm not sure what's meant by the usage of 'proprietary'.  Are there`G > any true non-proprietary operating systems currently available?  It's`G > my understanding that even Linux has it's specifications, kernel, and`& > such controlled by Linus and others.  F You can take Linux or xBSD, modify it in any way you want, and give itH away or sell it without having to get permission or pay money to anyone,F even Linus.  I'd certainly say that was non-proprietary.  (In the caseH of Linux, the GPL does require you to offer source to anyone to whom youD distribute object code.)  Sure, you can't force Linus to accept yourE changes back into the official source tree, but if you could wouldn't@$ that mean that it *was* proprietary?  E OS/360 is in the public domain.  That's clearly non-proprietary.  NotMH many people use it, though.  Clearly the mere lack of proprietariness isD not enough to make an operating system successful.  But it can help.  B > That aside, yes, there have been many operating systems thru theD > years, many specific to certain hardware.  Others have operated onB > multiple types of hardware.  There's been the natural attrition,& > caused by 'survival of the fittest'.  E My point exactly.  Most of them are long gone.  In fact, the hardware#& that most of them ran on is long gone.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:41:19 -0000F From: sword7@speakeasy.org Subject: Re: Bug Check #03C0. Message-ID: <u6ivfffp82j52@corp.supernews.com>  + In comp.sys.dec sword7@speakeasy.org wrote:03 > Does anyone know what is bug check message #03C0?^  H Well, I recorded tracings of execution contains BUGW #3C0.  It occurs at@ 80FB4FF3.  That routine checked 4(AP) for 5AC but its content is 40C.  It resulted BUGW #3C0.  A I searched for that cause before BUGW #3C0.  I found that OpenVMSLD tried to return results back to DCL interpreter but access violationC was reported by PROBEW.  I noticed that previous mode is supervisor9E but it attempted to probe executive stack instead but resulted access>I violation.  With result of access violation, put 40C on it.  It happened #H immediately in user-return routine after finished output to the console I terminal and context switch (LDPCTX) in the same system call (in IPL 2 - <A AST delivered from REI).  It never return back to DCL interprter.3  A If pervious mode is supervisor, PROBEW instruction tried to probeBD area by using executive mode, it resulted access violation and next A instruction (BEQ) jumped out instead of final return back to DCL H interpreter.  B I believe that DCL interpreter is running in supervisor mode (bothB current and previous mode in PSL).  Also, DCL is in system space,  not process space.  D I am searching for the cause elsewhere before PROBE/BUGW problems.  B I have to find the cause to able fix that bugs in my VAX emulator.4 I will keep you posted later when something happens.  1 Does anyone know about that (famailar like that)?6  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- _, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:18:49 GMT"L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")# Subject: Re: csws_php and Multinet?98 Message-ID: <00A09761.0966D74C@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  h In article <d7791aa1.0202120625.7ff7f22b@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:
 quoted me:G >Fairness: Apache itself works fine (if you just define TCPIP$DEVICE as!G >UCX$DEVICE); mod_perl works fine (and the Compaq version of Perl is noEG >longer years behind the times); Jakarta seems to work fine.  This is aO> >beta, they'll have a fix in the release version.  Finally, as
 >wonderful as9= >Process Software is (and I am a very happy Multinet and PMDF=
 >customer), I1D >don't notice them doing a PHP port at all, free or otherwise.  If I >want toC >run mod_php, Purveyor can't do it for me.  Purveyor can't run JavaD >ServerB$ >Pages for me either, last I looked. >^  
 and wrote:   >"B >this was cut out of purveyors programmers manual ... I think this >statesFF >clearly that perl and other languages can be run from either a cgi orE >a "dll" can be written in "c" or any language "dibol" that can allowK >youA >you to run anything you want to under purveyor ... and notice is-	 >stresses1C >that this is a security feature, which makes sense if you read the  >reason why! >tG >Executables must have the extension .EXE or .DLL and command procedurea> >files must have the extension .COM. Executables with the .EXEF >extension are executed as separate processes whereas .DLLs are linked8 >dynamically to the address space of the server process. >tG >To execute other types of programs, such as PERL or TCL, you can use a E >simple command procedure that invokes the interpreter appropriately.>? >Note that this is also a security feature, since some of these F >interpreters support options to override the input or redirect outputD >and these options are not directly accessible (unless you provide a6 >mechanism to make them so via the command procedure).  J (That, incidentally, is not a security feature that's unique to Purveyor.)  H While I completely understand that Purveyor (or any other webserver thatK can run a DCL file) can run any program from DCL, that doesn't in fact meanw( that Purveyor can run Java Server Pages.   -- Alano    P >===============================================================================1 > Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU A > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone: e
 >650/926-30568C > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA   >94309-0210oP >===============================================================================  O ===============================================================================n0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056.M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210eO ===============================================================================r   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 18:39:15 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Re: csws_php and Multinet?o= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202121839.221222a9@posting.google.com>p   winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote in message news:<00A09761.0966D74C@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>...j > In article <d7791aa1.0202120625.7ff7f22b@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > quoted me:I > >Fairness: Apache itself works fine (if you just define TCPIP$DEVICE as I > >UCX$DEVICE); mod_perl works fine (and the Compaq version of Perl is no I > >longer years behind the times); Jakarta seems to work fine.  This is a @ > >beta, they'll have a fix in the release version.  Finally, as > >wonderful as@? > >Process Software is (and I am a very happy Multinet and PMDF  > >customer), IeF > >don't notice them doing a PHP port at all, free or otherwise.  If I
 > >want toE > >run mod_php, Purveyor can't do it for me.  Purveyor can't run Java-	 > >Server & > >Pages for me either, last I looked. > >e >  > and wrote: >  > >:D > >this was cut out of purveyors programmers manual ... I think this	 > >states1H > >clearly that perl and other languages can be run from either a cgi orG > >a "dll" can be written in "c" or any language "dibol" that can allow  > >youC > >you to run anything you want to under purveyor ... and notice is  > >stresseseE > >that this is a security feature, which makes sense if you read the  > >reason why! > > I > >Executables must have the extension .EXE or .DLL and command proceduret@ > >files must have the extension .COM. Executables with the .EXEH > >extension are executed as separate processes whereas .DLLs are linked: > >dynamically to the address space of the server process. > >-I > >To execute other types of programs, such as PERL or TCL, you can use aMG > >simple command procedure that invokes the interpreter appropriately.eA > >Note that this is also a security feature, since some of theseeH > >interpreters support options to override the input or redirect outputF > >and these options are not directly accessible (unless you provide a8 > >mechanism to make them so via the command procedure). > L > (That, incidentally, is not a security feature that's unique to Purveyor.) > J > While I completely understand that Purveyor (or any other webserver thatM > can run a DCL file) can run any program from DCL, that doesn't in fact meann* > that Purveyor can run Java Server Pages. > 	 > -- AlanmQ > ===============================================================================s2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056hO >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210iQ > ===============================================================================r  M why not?  with dll capability or dcl you can do just about anything you want!t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:01:55 -0000o- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)s! Subject: Re: data corrupted blockl7 Message-ID: <91B3BBB58warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>a  * jkoutnik@ebanka.cz (Jiri Koutnik) wrote in! <1013507217.602181@krakonosovo>: d   >Hi all,I >in our OS-VMS appeared ORACLE data corrupted block. Does anyone know howsE >to interpret the ORACLE block number to OVMS block number so that wecE >could produce correctly DUMP/BLOCK. Iam not sure about it and I cantm >find any useful info. >thnx in advance >  >Geo  J I don't see what useful information you would be able to pull off the bad L block anyway.  The condition you're refering to is what Oracle calls "media L failure", and you should use the procedures (recover database) described in K the docs to handle it.  If you're not running with logging enabled, you'll t0 have to restore from a complete database backup.   ws   -- a   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)m The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:06:34 -0500o3 From: "Pohl, Kathy" <Kathy.Pohl@itec.mail.suny.edu>e Subject: DCPS DocumentationJI Message-ID: <0B41ACBECF83734D98ABC83DD8E097E15DE85D@cipher.itec.suny.edu>-  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B400.C5832330. Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"      	Hi,  ( 	Where can I find documentation on DCPS?   	Thanks, 	Kathy    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B400.C5832330i Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"?  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">o <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12">! <TITLE>DCPS Documentation</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY> <BR>  E <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>Hi,</FONT>o </P>  i <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>Where can I find documentation on DCPS?</FONT>t </P>  I <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>Thanks,</FONT> H <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=2>Kathy</FONT> </P>   </BODY>d </HTML>y) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1B400.C5832330--r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:03:05 -0500s0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: DCPS Documentation0; Message-ID: <120220021703056175%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>n  
 In articleD <0B41ACBECF83734D98ABC83DD8E097E15DE85D@cipher.itec.suny.edu>, Pohl,, Kathy <Kathy.Pohl@itec.mail.suny.edu> wrote:  * >  Where can I find documentation on DCPS?  A DCPS documentation is available in hardcopy (QA-09NAA-GZ), on theiG CD-ROM (QA-09NAB-H8) which contains all DCPS software and documentationaG in five formats (Bookreader, HTML, PDF, PostScript and text) and on theu$ quarterly documentation CDs in HTML.  4 AFAIK, DCPS documentation is not available publicly.  1 If you would like a copy I can e-mail one to you.    Paul   -- m  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringg   Compaq Computer Corporationn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:04 +1100p/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>r Subject: Re: DCPS Documentations3 Message-ID: <u4ka8.17889$N31.904108@ozemail.com.au>e   DCPS Documentation> "Pohl, Kathy" <Kathy.Pohl@itec.mail.suny.edu> wrote in messageC news:0B41ACBECF83734D98ABC83DD8E097E15DE85D@cipher.itec.suny.edu...m             Hi,t/         Where can I find documentation on DCPS?(         Thanks,o
         Kathy     It may not be the latest but try http://vms.sggw.waw.pl/booke   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 13:53:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-$ Subject: Re: DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP3 Message-ID: <Aveutgewynnz@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  P In article <00A09754.1DA28572@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:V > In article <3C694FE8.4EB439A2@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:I >>I'm looking for somewhere that documents all the statuses (stati?) thatt0 >>could be returned from a SHOW DEV in SDA. e.g. >>E >>Device   DEVSTS   status:   0504 nocnvrt,mscp_mntverip,mscp_waitbmpo >>B >>OK, so I can guess what MNTVERIP means, but what about WAITBMP?  >>J >>The I/O users ref manual and the system services ref manual doesn't have5 >>a definitive list. Or haven't I looked hard enough?  >> >>--  * >>Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences >>nclews at csc dot com  > M > Edit SYS$LIBRARY:LIB.REQ and search for various items such as MSCP_WAITBMP.   D Then file a documentation comment with OpenVMSdocs@Compaq.com noting+ that the list you found was not up to date.a  C By the way, Brian does not like to admit the possibility of optionseE that do not involve living dangerously, but you can use SEARCH rathert
 than EDIT :-)h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:33:42 GMTm From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG-$ Subject: Re: DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP0 Message-ID: <00A09763.1D9FA5C1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <Aveutgewynnz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:oQ >In article <00A09754.1DA28572@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes: W >> In article <3C694FE8.4EB439A2@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:aJ >>>I'm looking for somewhere that documents all the statuses (stati?) that1 >>>could be returned from a SHOW DEV in SDA. e.g.  >>>aF >>>Device   DEVSTS   status:   0504 nocnvrt,mscp_mntverip,mscp_waitbmp >>>nC >>>OK, so I can guess what MNTVERIP means, but what about WAITBMP? c >>>aK >>>The I/O users ref manual and the system services ref manual doesn't havee6 >>>a definitive list. Or haven't I looked hard enough? >>>n >>>-- + >>>Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciencese >>>nclews at csc dot com >> eN >> Edit SYS$LIBRARY:LIB.REQ and search for various items such as MSCP_WAITBMP. >aE >Then file a documentation comment with OpenVMSdocs@Compaq.com notinge, >that the list you found was not up to date. >uD >By the way, Brian does not like to admit the possibility of optionsF >that do not involve living dangerously, but you can use SEARCH rather >than EDIT :-)  B I read through this file quite often and I *always* use EDIT/READ.  C It's pretty much a comment file anyway unless you're an avid Bliss -
 system coder.l   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMV             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesf   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:46:20 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGo$ Subject: Re: DEVSTS in SDA - WAITBMP0 Message-ID: <00A09754.1DA28572@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <3C694FE8.4EB439A2@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:H >I'm looking for somewhere that documents all the statuses (stati?) that/ >could be returned from a SHOW DEV in SDA. e.g.D >oD >Device   DEVSTS   status:   0504 nocnvrt,mscp_mntverip,mscp_waitbmp >tA >OK, so I can guess what MNTVERIP means, but what about WAITBMP? y >yI >The I/O users ref manual and the system services ref manual doesn't haveu4 >a definitive list. Or haven't I looked hard enough? >  >-- ) >Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciencesr >nclews at csc dot com  K Edit SYS$LIBRARY:LIB.REQ and search for various items such as MSCP_WAITBMP.i      :    :O macro UCB$V_NOCNVRT = 140,2,1,0 %;      !    No LBN to media address conversions    :L macro UCB$V_MSCP_MNTVERIP = 140,8,1,0 %; !    Mount verification in progress    :F macro UCB$V_MSCP_WAITBMP = 140,10,1,0 %; !    RWAITCNT has been bumped    :    :     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            pJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:48:58 GMT-7 From: jim.a@geminidigital.com (Gemini Digital Products)0 Subject: ES40 with 4 cpu's!o. Message-ID: <3c697f0a.102975852@news.minn.net>  	 For sale:c  2 - ES40 with 6 PCI slots and 512MB memory (model 1)3 - 4 EV6/500 Mhz cpu's! 4 MB cache each, no licensess  - pedestal enclosure, power cord - CDROM, floppyi= - PCI to UltraSCSI channel interface, cable, 6 bay drive cageh# - 18.2 UltraSCSI drive (10,000 RPM)s - 10/100 ethernet connection2 - additional power supply to drive 3rd and 4th cpu' - no graphics card, monitor or keyboardt< - systems booted and tested before shipping, 30 day warranty - shipping charges not includeds   Price: $7928 (USD)   Gemini Digital Productsx 701 South 5th Street Hopkins, Minn. 55343 1-800-873-5535  ext. 1447a jim.a@geminidigital.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:04:07 -0500p' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>s Subject: Re: FIND vs. DFUs, Message-ID: <3C69F3C7.D9D1B7CD@ui.urban.org>   Brian Tillman wrote: > K > We use ANALYZE/DISK/USAGE to generate a usage file and then process that.dL > The format of the usage file is documented.  Here's a program that will do > this for you.B > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comiC > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventr> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company [...]s  
 Cool. Thanks.o   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)s' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)a. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 16:25:11 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)r Subject: Re: Image Backup speedg= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0202121625.52ee1f3a@posting.google.com>o  s lee.kielty@sussex.police.uk (Lee Kielty) wrote in message news:<2a652b01.0202060435.590e2e25@posting.google.com>...-B >> &#8220;As it turns out, raising MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE up fromE >> 32 probably won't help in this case, and may actually hurt.&#8220;  > " > Clarification would be helpful.   A Based on the name of the parameter, I used to think it controlledfE whether or not a write was done using write-back cache, assuming that E if the transfer was larger in size than MAXIMUM_CACHED_TRANSFER_SIZE,IE it would bypass the write-back cache and thus suffer in performance.  F A developer at Compaq corrected my misinformation, indicating that theD parameter controls whether the data is _retained_ in cache after theE write; if writeback caching is enabled, writes are _always_ done with > the help of write-back cache regardless of the setting of thisD parameter or the size of the transfer.  So it is only if the data isD likely to be re-read in the near future that it is beneficial for itB to be retained in cache.  As the target of a Backup operation, theE data will not be re-read (or at least not until a Verify pass), so ityC is not beneficial to retain the data in the read cache.  DiscardinglC just-written data from cache immediately may postpone exhaustion ofu the available write-back cache.o  E Since this setting is dynamic, it would be very easy to simply try itfE both ways, monitoring using VTDPY to see which setting results in thel> highest average data transfer rate.  Then let us know what you observe.  C > 4) Raid sets are spread across different shelves in HSJ, but bothe/ > disks reside on the same pair of HSJ&#8217;s.k  ; But it's good that you have preferred paths set to oppositet controllers within the pair.  
 > 5) HSJ infoP ...r >         MAXIMUM_HOSTS = 15  B I don't know if you're getting SCS credit waits (you can tell with? SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS, ADD CIRCUITS, ADD CONNECTIONS, and ADDrA CR_WAITS, looking for high and increasing counts on the MSCP diska> connection to the HSJ(s)), but to minimize the chance of theseF occurring, it is common practice to set the MAXIMUM_HOSTS parameter to3 the number of VMS nodes actually present on the CI. ? --------------------------------------------------------------- ? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:m> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:12:45 +0000 (UTC)=% From: "pos" <prosullivan@hotmail.com>t" Subject: Re: license checksum info/ Message-ID: <a4c40t$9dp$1@helle.btinternet.com>A  K Even if you DO perform a license enable, watch what happens when you rebootP0 the system: none of your licenses are enabled...    7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message=' news:0033000052787483000002L032*@MHS...=  3 IMHO, he should have also told you that when you doA6 a LICENSE ISSUE <product_name> it disables the license7 and that you have to do a LICENSE ENABLE <product_name>65 afterwards if you want to continue using the license.O   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET=( Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:38 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET" Subject: RE: license checksum info    = In article <bc0e3bd8.0202120251.22427ef4@posting.google.com>,2< pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders) writes: >hi,G >  My customer has a micro vax 3100-30 running Vax VMS 5.5-2 and Decnet0 >4.4G >  I am wondering if there is a VMS command to list the license check -bE >sum info for all my product licenses, as have mis-placed the licenset
 >certificate.n >Any help appreciated, >ta  >pat   $ LICENSE ISSUE$   --2 VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  I   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery J   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes=   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 14:01:20 -0600G From: simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)e= Subject: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptimet3 Message-ID: <GRJ$GrDIc77h@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <00A09758.E03A13CA.4@leva.leeds.ac.uk>, Ted Allwood <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> writes:eH > OK, I know its nothing exceptional for a VMS system, but my web server2 > just passed the one year since last reboot mark: > M > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365 01:40:48  > D > Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to > mark the occasion? >   H Actually, on a related matter, what I would be interested in finding outI is what the longest uptime record is for a VMS cluster as a whole insteadt. of any individual systems within that cluster.  H Also, what events (scheduled or unscheduled) did that cluster as a whole+ survive without losing production service ?s   Simon.   -- rG Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP       r+ Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:28:55 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>iA Subject: RE: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptimetT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1C89@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Simon -e  H >>> what I would be interested in finding out is what the longest uptimeH record is for a VMS cluster as a whole instead of any individual systems within that cluster.<<<t  F Well, not sure if this is what you were looking for since it was not aD cluster (dual node system) in the sense you are thinking of, but theF hands down, longest running application record for ANY platform that I) know about is the Irish National Railway.   ? It was running something like VMS V3.?? and the application was G continuously available for 17 years. In the last years or so, my albeitRD limited understanding of this was that it was shut down and replacedE with some form of process control system (not sure of the specifics).   1 mmm... I wonder if Guiness might be interested ..t   :-)a   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant- Compaq Canada Corp.1 Professional Services0 Voice: 613-592-4660. Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message----- From: Simon Clubley@: [mailto:simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP] Sent: February 12, 2002 3:01 PMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComS= Subject: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptimes    > In article <00A09758.E03A13CA.4@leva.leeds.ac.uk>, Ted Allwood" <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk> writes:H > OK, I know its nothing exceptional for a VMS system, but my web server2 > just passed the one year since last reboot mark: >=20D > OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node LEVA  12-FEB-2002 14:17:16.18  Uptime  365 01:40:48 >=20D > Does anyone have a suitable logo that I could add to a web page to > mark the occasion? >=20  H Actually, on a related matter, what I would be interested in finding outA is what the longest uptime record is for a VMS cluster as a wholes instead . of any individual systems within that cluster.  H Also, what events (scheduled or unscheduled) did that cluster as a whole+ survive without losing production service ?-   Simon.   --=20uI Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP      =20u+ Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:33:57 GMTh1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>rA Subject: Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptimen' Message-ID: <3C69DFE8.9323D03F@fsi.net>1   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Simon -a > J > >>> what I would be interested in finding out is what the longest uptimeJ > record is for a VMS cluster as a whole instead of any individual systems > within that cluster.<<<t > H > Well, not sure if this is what you were looking for since it was not aF > cluster (dual node system) in the sense you are thinking of, but theH > hands down, longest running application record for ANY platform that I+ > know about is the Irish National Railway.  > A > It was running something like VMS V3.?? and the application was I > continuously available for 17 years. In the last years or so, my albeitbF > limited understanding of this was that it was shut down and replacedG > with some form of process control system (not sure of the specifics).T  @ AFAIK, V3.x pre-dates VAXCLUSTER by a couple or three years, no?   -- > David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems= http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:57:45 GMTD( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>A Subject: Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime7/ Message-ID: <J7oa8.41204$fK1.4120162@rwcrnsc54>P  L Dontcha remember David? We had two 750s running in a cluster under 3.7. Full: clustering with the lock manager  didn't show up 'til 4.0.  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3C69DFE8.9323D03F@fsi.net...a > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >, > > Simon -o > >iL > > >>> what I would be interested in finding out is what the longest uptimeL > > record is for a VMS cluster as a whole instead of any individual systems > > within that cluster.<<<- > >PJ > > Well, not sure if this is what you were looking for since it was not aH > > cluster (dual node system) in the sense you are thinking of, but theJ > > hands down, longest running application record for ANY platform that I- > > know about is the Irish National Railway.. > >uC > > It was running something like VMS V3.?? and the application wasuK > > continuously available for 17 years. In the last years or so, my albeituH > > limited understanding of this was that it was shut down and replacedI > > with some form of process control system (not sure of the specifics).  >pB > AFAIK, V3.x pre-dates VAXCLUSTER by a couple or three years, no? >F > -- > David J. Dachteram > dba DJE Systems. > http://www.djesys.com/ >c* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:20:09 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>.) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMSw' Message-ID: <3C69DCAC.DAD0AD59@fsi.net>d   Peter Weaver wrote:e > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C682ACB.2DD18DC2@videotron.ca... > > Peter Weaver wrote:_N > > > 1. Set your terminal to display control characters rather than interpret > > > them./ > >r3 > > How can one do that with DECterm in X-windows ?' > > ...> >  > $ SET HOST 0/LOG=X.X > ...k > $ EDIT X.X > K > I could never figure out why this valuable debugging tool was left out ofoM > DECTerm. Every time some user calls to say that they had an error but couldII > not see it long enough to read it I have them turn on Interpret ControliI > Characters, then they don't have to worry about the error message beingn
 > cleared.  G DECterm doesn't have scroll-bar on the side? Can't you just scroll backu< to see what was on the screen before the screen got cleared?  C I only have the Alpha running right now. DECterm from the CDE has aSH scroll bar. Previous screen data survives a TYPE/PAGE NLA0: (net effect: clear the screen).  G Maybe I'll boot up the MicroVAX 3100 and see what I can find out there.@  ? I'm running Exceed on W/95 for an X display (via XDMCP), BTW...5   -- S David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:30:00 -0500>- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS , Message-ID: <3C69DDB7.3D52A01B@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:I > DECterm doesn't have scroll-bar on the side? Can't you just scroll backh> > to see what was on the screen before the screen got cleared?  P scroll bar doesn't result in one seing the control characters sent to the screen   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:24:11 -0800 $ From: Mark Sun <marksun@genetek.com>, Subject: Mounting CD takes VMS 7.2-1 down...+ Message-ID: <3C6A068B.4B36BF13@genetek.com>    Hi all!u  G An ISO9660 CD burned using Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum on a HP cd-writerh5 9500 causes an immediate systems crash when mounting:a   $ mount /over=id dqa0:  @ System is an Alpha XP1000 running VMS 7.2-1 with dual Oxygen VX1 graphics cards.     Bugcheck message on blue screen:  C **** OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System V7.2-1     - BUGCHECK ****-B ** Bugcheck code = 000003C4: SSRVEXCEPT, Unexpected system service	 exceptionO8 ** Crash CPU: 00  Primary CPU: 00  Active CPUs: 00000001 ** Current Process = DQA0CACPr ** Current PSB ID = 00000001 ** Image Name =h? **** Starting compressed selective memory dump at 4-OCT-2001...  ....Complete ****    Any help would be appreciated!   Thanks!.   Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:48:19 GMTa! From: pkukla@simon.felinet.org ()4Y Subject: Re: Newbie licensing question - TCPIP services? References: <QfG98.35810$s43.109t> Message-ID: <7mla8.38931$s43.12985496@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>  D Simon wins the prize.  I set the terminal type on my Linux box priorC to the telnet session and it worked fine.  It had been defaulted toIF "rxvt" there.  Changing to vt100 made all the difference in the world.  D Thanks very much.  It might've been a while before I stumbled across that on the web...     -peter      H Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> wrote:* >> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Peter Kukla wrote:C >>> Thanks...that did it.  I've gotten it on the network, and I can, >>> telnet/ftp into it.o >>> F >>> There's an odd lag after I login, as if it's not properly flushingG >>> data to the network interface or something.  ftp works fine though., >> ; > H >If by "odd lag", you mean that the system appears to be running slowly,F >they trying checking what terminal type your client is sending to theF >VMS system and make sure that it's a DEC terminal name such as VT100. > H >If you are using Linux as your client O/S, you can do this by issuing a >"echo $TERM" command. >-J >If that doesn't work, we need to know what you mean by "odd lag" and whatH >terminal emulator and operating system you are running the emulator on,? >as well as anything unusual about your emulator configuration.  >t >Simon.M >e >-- H >Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP       , >Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:08:18 -0000I- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)iW Subject: Re: OT: XP Kernel Improvements Create a More Robust, Powerful, and	Scalable OSy7 Message-ID: <91B3B8B50warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>a  . jeisensc@aaas.org (John Eisenschmidt) wrote in! <sc67ac8e.041@AAASMTA.aaas.org>: P  I >I just ran into this link from the December issue of MSDN magazine. It's4H >sort of interesting, but I noticed that the NT family stole another VMS1 >expression: XP now supports "Volume Shadowing". b  
 -- snip --  I Kinda like when Micro$oft invented clustering - same name, but different r" feature set (or, um, lack thereof)   ws -- E   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)d The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2002 23:10:35 GMT# From: casinoop2@aol.com (CasinoOp2)e' Subject: Re: Pathworks 32 on Windows XPv9 Message-ID: <20020212181035.21114.00000876@mb-fz.aol.com>i  L >> Does anyone know of a version of Pathworks 32 that works with Windows XP? >TheJ >> version I have (7.2?) loads find on Windows NT, but fails on Windows XPM >> ("unsupported operating system"). When I look at the Compaq site, I cannoth >findw9 >> a version of Pathworks for XP. Am I missing something?/ >>> > There is a patch available for XP, call your support center. >1 >Regards >  >Grardi >O  ; Gerald, any idea of the patch # or what it might be called?g  	     Clark    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 12:54:17 -0800 From: hchen3@uwo.ca (Sammy)e$ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID= Message-ID: <2c0966c2.0202121254.64056a3a@posting.google.com>i   Hi ALL:M  F   Thanks for the help on this particular topic. I learn a lot from allG you guys (yeah, and the manual too -> a great read). I post the source aG code below and if there is any mistakes, please point out. Thanks again  for all the great insight.   Sammya        int main(int argc, char* argv[]) {a     if (argc != 2)     {U.     cout << "invalid parameter count" << endl;
     return 1;a   }u 	u   unsigned int context = 0;e!   unsigned short int length = 0;;o   unsigned int resid = 0;e   unsigned int attibute = 0;   char name[1024];     struct dsc$descriptor_s grp;     grp.dsc$w_length = 1024;"   grp.dsc$b_dtype = DSC$K_DTYPE_T;"   grp.dsc$b_class = DSC$K_CLASS_S;   grp.dsc$a_pointer = name;e  
   int status;t   struct stat statBuf;   int stat_rc;      double shift = pow(2.0, 16.0);  :   if ((stat_rc = stat((char *) "fun.cpp", &statBuf)) != 0)   {t#     cerr << "stat failed"  << endl;      return -1;   }e  >   if (!S_ISREG(statBuf.st_mode))  // only regular file allowed   {r*     cerr << "file is not regular" << endl;     return -1;   }  	m3   unsigned int id = statBuf.st_gid * ((int) shift);v     // look up group name G   status = SYS$IDTOASC(id, &length, &grp, &resid, &attibute, &context);      switch(status)   {n     case SS$_ACCVIO:*       cout << "access violation"  << endl;       break;       case SS$_INSFMEM:y4       cout << "insufficient dynamic memory" << endl;       break;       case SS$_IVCHAN:3       cout << "invalid content in context" << endl;s       break;       case SS$_IVIDENT: 6       cout << "invalid format for identifier" << endl;       break;       case SS$_NOIOCHAN:O       cout << "No more rights database context streams are available." << endl;T       break;       case SS$_NORIGHTSDB:;       cout << "The rights database does not exist" << endl;s       break;       case SS$_NOSUCHID:J       cout << "The specified identifier name does not exist in the rights D 	      database, or the entire rights database has been searched if &               the ID is --1." << endl;       break;       default: 		(       if(strcasecmp(argv[1], name) == 0)       {r-         cout << "Group name matched" << endl;r       }e 			f3       else cout << "Group name mismatched" << endl;- 		       break;     }    return 0;2 }    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:18:29 GMTe- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>.$ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID* Message-ID: <3C69CFE3.5040706@qsl.network>   Sammy wrote:	 > Hi ALL:  > H >   Thanks for the help on this particular topic. I learn a lot from allI > you guys (yeah, and the manual too -> a great read). I post the source sI > code below and if there is any mistakes, please point out. Thanks againi > for all the great insight. <snip> > Sammy  >  >    <snip>  " >   double shift = pow(2.0, 16.0);  + Ok, why are you introducing floating point?-    < >   if ((stat_rc = stat((char *) "fun.cpp", &statBuf)) != 0) >   {=% >     cerr << "stat failed"  << endl;  >     return -1; >   }a > @ >   if (!S_ISREG(statBuf.st_mode))  // only regular file allowed >   {n, >     cerr << "file is not regular" << endl; >     return -1; >   }  > 	a5 >   unsigned int id = statBuf.st_gid * ((int) shift);   J Why are you using floating point math to attempt to get an integer result?  G In any case the algorithm for translating group names to their numeric   identifiers is:   ' id = statBuf.st_gid * 0x10000 + 0xFFFF;      >   // look up group name I >   status = SYS$IDTOASC(id, &length, &grp, &resid, &attibute, &context);   F The returned string is not NULL terminated.  You will need to do that.    F I would recommend that you look at the getgrgid code in the frontport B library.  It is on the OpenVMS freeware 5.0 CD-ROM set, or can be I located at a link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ and other download _
 locations.     -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyc   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:10:47 GMTJ# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> $ Subject: SNMP Vulnerability Advisory/ Message-ID: <Hpga8.8519$LL.6161@news1.bloor.is>.  ; From: Alan Paller, Director of Research, The SANS Institutes" The SANS Institute <sans@sans.org>    " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
 Hash: SHA1        / SANS FLASH ALERT: Widespread SNMP Vulnerability3 2:30 PM EST 12 February, 2002       C Note: This is preliminary data! If you have additional information,?% please send it to us at snmp@sans.orgw    @ In a few minutes wire services and other news sources will beginA breaking a story about widespread vulnerabilities in SNMP (SimpleyB Network Management Protocol).  Exploits of the vulnerability causeG systems to fail or to be taken over.  The vulnerability can be found invC more than a hundred manufacturers' systems and is very widespread -v3 millions of routers and other systems are involved.t    G Your leadership is needed in making sure that all systems for which you0D have any responsibility are protected. To do that, first ensure thatG SNMP is turned off. If you absolutely must run SNMP, get the patch fromDG your hardware or software vendor. They are all working on patches right>D now. It also makes sense for you to filter traffic destined for SNMP; ports (assuming the system doing the filtering is patched).s    D To block SNMP access, block traffic to ports 161 and 162 for tcp andC udp.  In addition, if you are using Cisco, block udp for port 1993.a    D The problems were caused by programming errors that have been in theC SNMP implementations for a long time, but only recently discovered.     G CERT/CC is taking the lead on the process of getting the vendors to geth7 their patches out.  Additional information is posted atI. http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-03.html     Two final notes.    F Note 1:  Turning off SNMP was one of the strong recommendations in theE Top 20 Internet Security Vulnerabilities that the FBI's NIPC and SANSnE and the Federal CIO Council issued on October 1, 2001.  If you didn'tpF take that action then, now might be a good time to correct the rest ofF the top 20 as well as the SNMP problem.  The Top 20 document is posted  at http://www.sans.org/top20.htm    G Note 2:  If you have Cisco routers (that's true for 85% of our readers):H you are going to have to patch them to fix this problem. This is a greatF time to make the other fixes that will protect your Cisco routers from7 an increasingly common set of increasingly bad attacks.     E A great new free tool will be announced on Thursday that checks Cisco F routers, finds most problems, and provides specific guidance on fixingD each problem it finds.  We've scheduled a web broadcast for ThursdayE afternoon at 1 PM EST (18:00 UTC) to tell you about it and how to get  it.t    C Mark your calendar now and we'll supply complete data in tomorrow'sr5 Newsbites and on the SANS web site tomorrow, as well.        -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----t Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (BSD/OS)* Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org    @ iD8DBQE8aX8y+LUG5KFpTkYRAnzlAJ920GGAqfFGAcNhrMQs+7N7wjBrEgCgkZM7 63OGBNgmoFsv/aajLby5+7g= =isBRi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:24:50 -0000e- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)-7 Subject: Re: The stupidity of granting software patents 7 Message-ID: <91B3816E9warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>c  H a@nonymous.com (John Smith) wrote in <fMQ88.1422$LL.597@news1.bloor.is>:  # >British firm hyper over Web patentr$ >With files from Reuters News Agency >Friday, February 8, 2002i >i  
 -- snip --  C Perhaps someone in the OpenVMS group could patent OS stability and dB security, quick before Bill Gates discovers it for the first time.   ws   -- h   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)e The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:13:03 +0000s1 From: Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net>g Subject: Re: TLZ06 questionc- Message-ID: <3C6922EF.FDB922F4@starpower.net>r  , I should have listed the rest of the output:   SCSI Adapter A, SCSI ID 7h   -DKA100 (DEC RZ25)  0 That's the local page/swap disk.  It works fine.  / Both SCSI devices are inside the VAX and don't -3 have terminators installed.  An external terminator-$ is installed on the back of the VAX.  5 Ethernet and DSSI stuff also shows up for "show dev".M  / Everything works, it's just that "show dev" and-0 "show SCSI" at the console list 8 LUN's for one  physical device.   Robert   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:t > 5 > If ">show dev" only gives you tape drives then thise2 > problem is way down your list of things to solve >  >  :^) > * > SCSI doesn't like something you've done. > 9 > I've seen this before more than once but don't remembern( > if the same thing caused it each time. > 5 > Lotsa them puppies come with an internal SCSI drive3 > set to address 0.n > 8 > I see your tape drive is 0, too-- this could be what's > wrong. > = > What do you see with SHOW DEV/SHOW SCSI with the tape drive  > *not* connected? >  > Other possibilities: > & > * Terminator not securely connected. > B > * Too many or too few terminators (don't forget those internals)F >   (If external device, was auto-termination of external turned off?) > E > * A few a them controllers don't like internal AND external device.f >  > * SCSI bus is too long.w > = > (The first S in SCSI is for SMALL.  The second, for SYSTEM.mB >  It is a common misconception that one of them is for STANDARD.) >  > WWWebb > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:16 AMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: TLZ06 questionA > J > I have a TLZ06-AA drive that I tested in a MicroVAX 3100/40 with VMS 7.13 > It works fine and ">show dev" lists it just once.i > F > I then installed it in a 4000/105A in the same cluster.  In the 105A( > ">show dev" and ">show scsi" produces: >  > -MKA500 (DEC TLZ06)r > -MKA501 () > -MKA502 () > -MKA503 () > -MKA504 () > -MKA505 () > -MKA506 () > -MKA507 () > B > The drive works just fine and VMS "show dev" only lists it once. > + > Are the 501..507 devices none zero LUN's?s" > Why does it produce this output? > D > I also have a TZ30 on a 4000/106A and a TLZ07 on another 4000/106AG > and they only show up once for a ">show dev" or ">show scsi" command.a >  > Thanks > Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:19:34 -0500X* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: TLZ06 questione- Message-ID: <0033000052852569000002L092*@MHS>l   =0AFives.  Not zeroes. Duh.     Clearly I'm math-impaired today.  + However device conflict *does* sound right.o   Is the CD-ROM ID five?   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETs( Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:02 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: TLZ06 questionu     Robert DiRosario wrote:  > F > I then installed it in a 4000/105A in the same cluster.  In the 105A( > ">show dev" and ">show scsi" produces: >l > -MKA500 (DEC TLZ06)1 > -MKA501 () > -MKA502 () > -MKA503 () > -MKA504 () > -MKA505 () > -MKA506 () > -MKA507 ()  B I've seen this when you use the same SCSI ID as another device, inE particular the controller, but I'm surprised you say it works in this. case, so I'm not so sure.-  C Maybe you have an internal device powered off but with the ID 5 andF still cabled in?   --( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com=   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:21:13 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c Subject: Re: TLZ06 questions; Message-ID: <01KE76PWGS5Y8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  1 > Everything works, it's just that "show dev" andc2 > "show SCSI" at the console list 8 LUN's for one  > physical device.  F I've seen this (from VAX and ALPHA) with a third-party 8mm tape drive.  D I think it has to do with the fact that when SCSI was new, for some A reason it was assumed that there would be sub-units or something.H  1 I'm sure this was discussed here a few years ago.w   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 12:57:47 -0800/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)c Subject: Re: TLZ06 question = Message-ID: <754a27c1.0202121257.4d80f49b@posting.google.com>   f Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> wrote in message news:<3C68DB7C.358815D3@starpower.net>...J > I have a TLZ06-AA drive that I tested in a MicroVAX 3100/40 with VMS 7.13 > It works fine and ">show dev" lists it just once.  > F > I then installed it in a 4000/105A in the same cluster.  In the 105A( > ">show dev" and ">show scsi" produces: >  > -MKA500 (DEC TLZ06)  > -MKA501 () > -MKA502 () > -MKA503 () > -MKA504 () > -MKA505 () > -MKA506 () > -MKA507 () > B > The drive works just fine and VMS "show dev" only lists it once. > - > Are the 501..507 devices none zero LUN's?  9" > Why does it produce this output?    C I see this problem most often when two devices on the SCSI bus havei the same ID.  E Remember to check the SCSI ID of the controller.  The SCSI controller  itself is also a device.  ? If there are no duplicate IDs, you have a timing/firmware issueeF between the device and the SCSI controller.  Try putting the device atC a different place in the SCSI chain.  Or leave the DAT drive on ther' 3100/40.  Or get a different DAT drive.   
 Good luck!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:12:16 +1100f/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>I/ Subject: Re: Transferring O/S to new hard drivea3 Message-ID: <T4ja8.17869$N31.902477@ozemail.com.au>n  / "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in messagea% news:3C6808D7.6EDEE5F6@cumulus.com...lC > I purchased a new ST32550N SCSCI drive for a vaxstation 4000 vlc.oB > I used to remember how to do this back in the 785 days, but haveG > forgotten the procedure precisely.  The original drive is DKA200:.  I J > don't know and couldn't see any scsi terminators on the old drive.  WithG > both drives hooked up the system boots, but you should also know thatgI > this is a kludge set up only to get the o/s over to the new drive.  ThetA > o/s, when I SHOW DEV show the new drive as DKA0: and online andl > allocated.F > I did a MOUNT/FOR DKA0:  and then  BACKUP/IMAGE/IGN=INTERLOCK/VERIFYI > SYS$SYSDEVICE: DKA0:    It acted like it was transferring and the small E > led on the new seagate was blinking but after a while I never got au- > message back and found the system had hung.M > Now what??; For backup/image you should also use the /noalias qualifier1 Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 12:47:57 -0800* From: jose.arroyo@pandora.be (Jose Arroyo)V Subject: Use of free physical memory by VCC cache, XFC, RAMDRIVE. Any negative impact?< Message-ID: <dc4879f.0202121247.78f1b45d@posting.google.com>  F I have loads of free physical memory, lets say 1 Gb, to my disposal onF an GS140/160 Alpha server running OpenVMS v7.2-1H1 and was thinking ofF increasing drastically the amount of VCC cache that the system uses. IB think that currently the default value is around 3000 page(let)s .F Although performance may overall improve I was thinking if there could@ be some negative impact in choosing a very large VCC cache. ThisF question could be extended with a larger use of XFC and/or a RAMDRIVE.A My first guess would be that from performance point of view therev would be major improvements.D Is this always the case or could there be also some negative impact?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 13:49:10 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n. Subject: Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <IG266v4mSCYC@eisner.encompasserve.org>X  g In article <91B38DD74warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:mD > Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) wrote in( > <3c69469b.28269058@news.demon.co.uk>:  > @ >>Use SYS$CREATE_UID, which has been documented in the DECdtm V2C >>documentation, although it's been in the system since about V5.4.h >> >>Jim. >> >  > N > Thanks Jim.  Can't find SYS$CREATE_UID in the system services manual.  What  > is DECdtm?  I He said it was in the DECdtm V2 documentation, not the VMS documentation. A DECdtm (nee DDTM) is the component of VMS that supports two-phase E commit for distributed database transactions.  DBMS, Rdb and RMS know<B how to use DDTM.  Now your application can too, with a copy of the! allegedly released documentation.d  0 Searching for DECdtm on the VMS web site I find:  C http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/decdtm/README.txt has somer@ words about a kit that is apparently not available on CDROM yet.  D http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/decdtm/ talks about copyingD the kit over the Internet, but I cannot see anyplace where it allows one to do that.w  B Searching for DDTM on the VMS web site I find the same README.txt,F and a PDF covering VMS 7.2-2 which lists DDTM fixes as being included.  B I also see listings for two manuals in .doc format, which begs theA question of when this stuff is going to be documented for regular , VMS (as distinguished from Microsoft) users.  C Looking at SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET.REQ, however, the calling conventiong& for SYS$CREATE_UID seems clear enough.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:08:58 GMTi? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) . Subject: Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <3c697452.39972297@news.demon.co.uk>  F On 12 Feb 2002 13:49:10 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  h >In article <91B38DD74warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:E >> Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) wrote in ) >> <3c69469b.28269058@news.demon.co.uk>:   >> tA >>>Use SYS$CREATE_UID, which has been documented in the DECdtm V2 D >>>documentation, although it's been in the system since about V5.4. >>>o >>>Jim.n >>>r >>   >>  O >> Thanks Jim.  Can't find SYS$CREATE_UID in the system services manual.  What h
 >> is DECdtm?< >dJ >He said it was in the DECdtm V2 documentation, not the VMS documentation.B >DECdtm (nee DDTM) is the component of VMS that supports two-phaseF >commit for distributed database transactions.  DBMS, Rdb and RMS knowC >how to use DDTM.  Now your application can too, with a copy of the " >allegedly released documentation. > 1 >Searching for DECdtm on the VMS web site I find:j >:D >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/decdtm/README.txt has someA >words about a kit that is apparently not available on CDROM yet.  >tE >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/decdtm/ talks about copyingtE >the kit over the Internet, but I cannot see anyplace where it allowsa >one to do that.  E Try clicking on the "Download for DECdtm/XA V2.0 SDK for Alpha" text.  It's actually a hotlink...   No, I didn't design the page.k   > C >Searching for DDTM on the VMS web site I find the same README.txt,aG >and a PDF covering VMS 7.2-2 which lists DDTM fixes as being included.  >lC >I also see listings for two manuals in .doc format, which begs the B >question of when this stuff is going to be documented for regular- >VMS (as distinguished from Microsoft) users.   D The two manuals are the ones you're looking for just now.  Well, ok,D one of them is (the one dealing with the DECdtm services, as opposed to the XA specific support).  A I believe the service descriptions are to be merged into the basefE system service reference documentation in the future, although if ands when is not up to me.g   >gD >Looking at SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET.REQ, however, the calling convention' >for SYS$CREATE_UID seems clear enough.      Jim Johnsonn Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:43:50 -0000h- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)d. Subject: Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS7 Message-ID: <91B3A45D1warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>   C Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) wrote in c% <3c697452.39972297@news.demon.co.uk>:o  1 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/decdtm/   G Thanks gentlemen.  Based on the info you presented, I found the bits I s) need, and it seems to work fine.  Hurray!S   ws   -- -   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Feb 2002 16:08:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o. Subject: Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <lYEDVLz6WFpj@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  r In article <3c697452.39972297@news.demon.co.uk>, Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes:  G > Try clicking on the "Download for DECdtm/XA V2.0 SDK for Alpha" text.w > It's actually a hotlink...  " So it is.  Who would have guessed?  C > I believe the service descriptions are to be merged into the base 7 > system service reference documentation in the future,f   That would be good.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:02:13 -0500r' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>r. Subject: Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio?, Message-ID: <3C69F355.4923B1F8@ui.urban.org>  D If you'd like to start an Encompass LUG in your area, take a look at the materials at:c- http://www.encompassus.org/lugs/chairman.html.  C You could also give Encompass HQ a call at 877-354-9887 to find outh- more about getting involved in the LUG scene.a   Peter Kukla wrote: > 9 > I've been looking around, but haven't been able to findd7 > anything resembling a VMS user's group in the Centrali< > Ohio area.  Does anybody know whether such a thing exists? >  > Thanks...I >  > -peter   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)o' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)r. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:04:54 -0500n% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>d. Subject: Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio?/ Message-ID: <u6jlutgcj3b87e@news.supernews.com>l  : I've never heard of one.  Would meetings involve beer? :~)    2 "Peter Kukla" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message8 news:NDZ98.37632$s43.11843059@typhoon.columbus.rr.com...9 > I've been looking around, but haven't been able to finde7 > anything resembling a VMS user's group in the Centrali< > Ohio area.  Does anybody know whether such a thing exists? >a >c > Thanks...r >  > -peter   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:12:17 GMT 4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>> Subject: Re: Wanted: a more 'open' solution than ClusterServer? Message-ID: <BGea8.21891$Zu6.101726@news-server.bigpond.net.au>w  B The supported form of Samba is Pathworks Advanced Server.  AnotherH possibility is NFS, but that also requires 3rd party software on each of your win clients.P   Matt.U   --= -------------------------------------------------------------/ OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Compaq Computer Corporation  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA== --------------------------------------------------------------    6 "Mike Scott" <mscott_NOSPAM@axys.com> wrote in message news:3c69605a@nubby2....E > I've got a handful of OpenVMS workstations that need to share data. F > ClusterServer would seem to be the answer, BUT I've also got WindozeF > workstations that need access to the same data.  I have a production@ > environment that is not tolerant to bumps, so I can't consider
 non-supporteduG > solutions (Samba).  We are Netware-centric and I would LOVE a netwareu clientL > for VMS, but sadly there appears to be no market for this (so therefore no > current solutions).h > Anyone gone here?e >r >f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:40:32 -0500a9 From: "Douglas H. Quebbeman" <dougq@ixnayamspayiglou.com>-Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      como' Message-ID: <3c697dc1_3@news.iglou.com>t  / <greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk> wrote in messager. news:3c735ee7.63714673@news.btopenworld.com... > H > Scots, some of them claim, is actually a separate language rather thanE > a dialect of English. It does have a lot of unique words for commondD > things, and a different grammar. But so do most accents in the UK.F > There's loads of fabulous dialect words from all over the place thatG > have fallen out of use, and loads more that haven't and could be used  > to confuse Americans with.  ' 'Struth... Scots is a lowland language.   = My Quebbeman ancestors spoke Plattdeutsch, or Low german. ForiB a while, I subscribed to a Lowlands Languages list. One researcher@ related a conversation he witnessed between three truck drivers,A one Dutch, one German, and one Scot, and they each spoke in theirsA own respective languages but had complete and total understandinga of each other.  ? And it might explain why William of Orange considered them good-A risks to send off to Northern Ireland, as he could count on theirE/ loyalty through an ethnic/linguistic linkage...e   -dq    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2002 21:01:20 GMT0 From: hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins)( Subject: [even further off-topic] euro's+ Message-ID: <a4bvr0$i94@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>o  ( [Followup set to alt.folklore.computers]  % In article <1013508284snz@dsl.co.uk>, - Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote:i/ >In article <3C67CB06.9050107@brussels.sgi.com> 8 >           al@brussels.sgi.com "Alexis Cousein" writes:  E >> 96 is "Quatre-vingt dix-neuf" (four twenty and nineteen) in Francee/ >> and "nonante neuf" (ninety nine) in Belgium.b  G >See, I told you you'd suffer ~3% inflation if you joined the Euro :-)'c  G The Euro was doomed once it changed from polite window dressing for the C Bundesbank (sp?) to take over into the, uhh, political/bureaucratic E sludge that it has become.  But it (and now the Arentinian mess) make01 great examples for my money & banking class . . .   @ Once the rumor that the head of the central bank would step downH "voluntarily" half way through his term in favor of the french candidateB wasn't dismissed out of hand, it was clear the Euro had failed.  IF really don't understand Germany's failure to pull out . . . and as forD the rest of the countries, adopting the Dollar, Mark, or Pound would have been a better move . . .   G Drifting even further off topic, I met a scottish economist last summer F at a conference who favored pulling the UK out of the EU entirely, and joining NAFTA . . .0   hawk   -- LP Richard E. Hawkins, Asst. Prof. of Economics         /"\   ASCII ribbon campaignL dochawk@psu.edu  Smeal 178  (814) 375-4700           \ /   against HTML mailI These opinions will not be those of                   X    and postings. e; Penn State until it pays my retainer.                / \   m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:49:11 +01000+ From: Peter Finderup Lund <firefly@diku.dk>I( Subject: Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...C Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0202122143360.2022-100000@ask.diku.dk>a  + On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Alberto Moreira wrote:   D > The prefixes "Oct" and "Nov" come from Latin. I don't have a LatinC > dictionary around, but I bet you'll find those forms in the LatinA" > words for "eighty" and "ninety".  I Mine says octoginta and nonaginta (and septuaginta for 70).  This is alsolJ similar to the other Roman languages.  The real question is why mainstreamH French acquired their silly quatrevingt and counting without carry (96 = 4*20 + 16).   I I've heard it said that French is the result of Gauls not learning propersJ Latin... The Iberians learned it properly (and somewhat earlier), which isI why Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian are closer to each other (and Latin)c than to French.Z   -Peter   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2002 19:32:34 GMT& From: stanb@dial.pipex.com (Stan Barr)( Subject: Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...; Message-ID: <slrna6iqqs.mtq.stanb@citadel.metropolis.local>r  2 On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:33:18 GMT, Alberto Moreira   <junkmail@moreira.mv.com> wrote:C >The prefixes "Oct" and "Nov" come from Latin. I don't have a LatineB >dictionary around, but I bet you'll find those forms in the Latin" >words for "eighty" and "ninety".   ( Eighty = octoginta    ninety = nonaginta  4 I knew that Latin dictionary would come in handy ;-)   -- u Cheers,: Stan Barr  stanb@dial.pipex.com4   The future was never like this!o   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Feb 2002 19:17 CSTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)r( Subject: Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...- Message-ID: <12FEB200219170140@gerg.tamu.edu>t  3 junkmail@moreira.mv.com (Alberto Moreira) writes... 2 }Also sprach "Dik T. Winter" <Dik.Winter@cwi.nl> :Q }>In article <3C683E37.6A74B65@gmx.de> Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes:6 }> > Alexis Cousein schrieb:I }> > > 96 is "Quatre-vingt dix-neuf" (four twenty and nineteen) in France 3 }> > > and "nonante neuf" (ninety nine) in Belgium.i }> > oG }> > I've heard both "ottante" and "nonante", but it seems to come fromrK }> > arabic influence (there is a fairly large arabic population in France, = }> > and to them, quatre-vingt dis-neuf is really unnatural).f }>H }>Nonante and septante are in the Walloon version of French.  Ottante isF }>in the southern French version.  (Some of these also do occur in theF }>Swiss version of French.)  At least that was the case traditionally; }>it may have changed. } C }The prefixes "Oct" and "Nov" come from Latin. I don't have a Latin B }dictionary around, but I bet you'll find those forms in the Latin" }words for "eighty" and "ninety".  } 	 }Alberto.o  F Is there some particular reason, other than stupidity, for yet anotherC multiply crossposted thread that is off topic for every group it isuA crossposted to? It has been happeneing here a lot recently. (ThislD message isn't crossposted - I removed comp.arch, comp.sys.intel, andE alt.folklore.computers from the newsgroups this particular message is  being posted to.)d  C BTW, in case anybody actually cares, ninety in latin is "nonaginta"u and eighty is "octoginta".   --- Carl   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.085 ************************