0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 88      Contents:= Can I change or prevent the change of the revised file date ?  Re: Carly interview on CNNJ Re: DEC-Alpha/VMS Systems Administrator Contractor  needed in Northern NJ., DFW Compaq User Grp Meeting - Feb 19th, 2002+ FETCH_HTTP (Was : C-Kermit & HTTP retrieve) / Re: FETCH_HTTP (Was : C-Kermit & HTTP retrieve) ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? * How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?. RE: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?. Re: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?. Re: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?. RE: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?2 Job Posting - VMS Managed Service Contract Manager6 Re: Job Posting - VMS Managed Service Contract ManagerC Re: Job Posting - VMS Managed Service Contract Manager - Groton, CT  Leak in snmp version 1 Re: Leak in snmp version 1/ Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links / Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links 8 Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime8 Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime4 Microsoft bug patch fails ... worse than before fix!' Re: Mounting CD takes VMS 7.2-1 down... ' Re: Mounting CD takes VMS 7.2-1 down...  Re: OT: "Crashless Windows" * OT: language (was: ...Younger recruits...)* OT: language (was: ...Younger recruits...)" OT: Proliant DL and DS-10 cabinets. Running TCPIPTRACE crashes an Alphaserver ES402 Re: Running TCPIPTRACE crashes an Alphaserver ES402 Re: Running TCPIPTRACE crashes an Alphaserver ES40P Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of   Re: Telnet problems % Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS  Re: vms 7.3 diagnostics  Re: vms 7.3 diagnostics $ Re: VMS 7.3, DECnet IV, proxy access$ Re: VMS 7.3, DECnet IV, proxy access, Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaign% Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio? P Re: What happens to the VMS Port if Intel drops Itanium in favor of another chipP Re: What happens to the VMS Port if Intel drops Itanium in favor of another chipP Re: What happens to the VMS Port if Intel drops Itanium in favor of another chip- Re: What is the best NFS package for OpenVMS? P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of      P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaq Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:11:37 -0500  From: Mark <no@mail.com>F Subject: Can I change or prevent the change of the revised file date ?8 Message-ID: <dcvn6uc50jutg9guooh3l8ia83bk924t68@4ax.com>  M I need to move files around and modify attributes of the file.  But, in doing N so, the revised date changes.  Is there a way to prevent the revised date fromG changing on any "set file" command OR is there a utility/way to force a  revised date on a file ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:40:41 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> # Subject: Re: Carly interview on CNN 8 Message-ID: <bd4n6u4c5i7rrq9d7ijombhhtb5l11mlot@4ax.com>  , On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:32:17 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   % >Someone's stolen all our servers...   >Empty computer room... A >Geek says "no, we consolidated everything on that one server"...  >  >IBM LINUX server advert...   ? There is a UK (and Europe) chain of tyre/exhaust/brake etc. car A service centres, Kwik-Fit,  which ran (maybe still runs?) on VMS. = About 6 years ago they upgraded from VAX to Alpha. Tom Farmer C (multi-millionaire owner at the time before he sold to Ford) walked E past the computer room early one Monday morning and spotted it almost A empty. Immediately assumed the worst and called the IT manager to C report a weekend break-in. Was then assured that the small boxes in A the corner had taken over from the room full of VAX systems a few D months ago and they had just removed the old systems at the weekend.? He was apparently extremely impressed. Did Digital even ask for = permission to use this in VMS literature? Not according to my 	 contacts.    >  > 6 >Gotta give it to IBM for good placement of their ad !   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 08:40:29 -0800' From: steve@algomod.com (Steve Kuznick) S Subject: Re: DEC-Alpha/VMS Systems Administrator Contractor  needed in Northern NJ. = Message-ID: <7d2559f5.0202140840.432a3557@posting.google.com>   . Systems Administrator needed: DEC/ VMS/ Alpha. Contract 6+mos (long term) Jersey City, New Jersey   A Candidates must have skills with DEC/ ALPHA/ VMS. Will administer > device control application: fans/ pressure/ lights/ pumps etc.. Experience with Miser database is a real plus.  E If interested please send an updated resume to steve@algomod.com with  a daytime contact number.             m Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<00A098C9.B7C6CDEC.8@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>...  > > > N > > > Actually, on a related matter, what I would be interested in finding outO > > > is what the longest uptime record is for a VMS cluster as a whole instead 4 > > > of any individual systems within that cluster. > > : > > Great! There should also be a SHOW SYSTEM/CLUSTER that > > calculates the   > > overall cluster uptime.  > " > There is (but different command) >  > $ SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS  >  > and then type the command  >  > ADD FORMED > , > which displays the cluster formation date. > L > So ... anyone hav one that's been around since VMS 4.0 shipped, or did the, > Y2K panic/preparations kill them all off?  > 	 > 	Yours,  > 		Nigel Arnot / > 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                     > 9 > 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 08:34:36 -0600C From: bruns@spam.encompasserve.org (Alan Bruns, Allied Electronics) 5 Subject: DFW Compaq User Grp Meeting - Feb 19th, 2002 3 Message-ID: <1Kxqlf0zbnOi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   , DFW Compaq User Grp Meeting - Feb 19th, 2002    + 		Dallas Ft Worth Compaq User Group Meeting  		February 19th, 2002  		Tuesday evening 6:00pm  ' 		Lincoln Center Building III 9th Floor  		5430 LBJ Freeway 		Suite 900  		Dallas Texas  A See the latest newsletter at: http://www.dfwcug.org/thismonth.pdf   $ THE FEBRUARY DFWCUG MONTHLY MEETING:  / 	John Wisniewski of Compaq OpenVMS Engineering: > 	The OpenVMS PID with Alpha and Itanium migration Information.  I Come and hear how OpenVMS Engineering is doing on its Port to Itanium!    G Discover the latest OpenVMS features and tools and learn about all the  H new VMS tools that come already licensed with VMS.  Come and hear where G Alpha is going and where Itanium will begin and the bridge and support  D planned for that Migration!  And of course let's talk about the next 5, 10 and 20 years of OpenVMS!  J NOTE:   The general session of this meeting will be open to the public butM those remaining for the OpenVMS PID will be required to sign a non-disclosure 3 form with Compaq to remain during the presentation.   I DISCLAIMER:  No Windows, Unix, DOS, AS400, HP3000, or Microsoft Employees K will be physically damaged during this presentation.  Emotional  damage is  D not the reponsiblity of the presenter. VAX, VMS, Alpha, OpenVMS are  copyrights of Compaq.     J Food Soft Drinks, and networking on several levels the DFWCUG -- If you'reM not there we'll  be talking about you behind your back...See you next Tuesday    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:29:24 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 4 Subject: FETCH_HTTP (Was : C-Kermit & HTTP retrieve)' Message-ID: <3C6BE5E4.20D9BB03@aaa.com>   6 I'm not sure that the version in the OSU dist supports4 fetching through proxy serves. I think I got another8 version of FETCH_HTTP.C from someone on c.o.v that does.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.   1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: M > >The OSU web server contains a utility called FETCH_HTTP which does exactly  > >what you need.  > > H > >fetch_http http://www.sex.com/dirty_picture.jpg  dirty_picture.jpg -b > > K > >Much simpler and quicker than kermit for that purpose. Note however that G > >kermit is still needed when you need to send POST type transactions.    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Feb 2002 17:41:59 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 8 Subject: Re: FETCH_HTTP (Was : C-Kermit & HTTP retrieve)0 Message-ID: <a4gst7$rs9$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  c In article <3C6BE5E4.20D9BB03@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: 7 >I'm not sure that the version in the OSU dist supports 5 >fetching through proxy serves. I think I got another 9 >version of FETCH_HTTP.C from someone on c.o.v that does.   L And I found a bug in the version distributed with OSU: if you fetch a binaryM file and there is already a file with the same name present in your directory J FETCH_HTTP creates a file with the same file attributes as the one alreadyL existing. And if the attributes of the previous file are something differentM than what FETCH_HTTP would create if there were no such file, the result will 
 be corrupted.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 00:39:50 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?3 Message-ID: <hupFcXtna2bR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <d7791aa1.0202132026.4857ccd9@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:J > I have been trying to get Compaq to answer this question, along w/HP ...J > Capellas, Marcellas have been quiet, as has Carly ... how irresponsible!G > They don't even respond to a serious question posed about where their K > best os customer base goes if itanic dies ... do they restart alpha? does N > intel just develop alpha and forget itanic (this would make the most sense)?G > We need answers to plan for the future Compaq!  Were is Sue or Terry? + > No one is providing info or answers here!   = 	Maybe because in some ways it doesn't make sense to respond.   + 	There are several facts surrounding IPF...   ' 		1) Second generation is about to ship 6 		2) Many succeeding generations are under development" 		3) Several billion already spent  ? 	It will succeed.  Unfortunately, it is going to take time.  If ? 	Intel can get IA32 to fly, IPF will eventually fly.  They have : 	tons of process technology to make the ugliest beast fly.  ) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-837084.html   M Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, will reveal what it's been up to lately @ at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco later this month.   F The main items on the agenda? Networking chips and server chips--"moreF McKinleys than ever seen before," says Intel Chief Technology Officer M [Kickin'] Pat Gelsinger--as well as the giant's thoughts on the shape of PCs  	 to come.      ) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-828363.html   N Intel is already preparing successors to [McKinley]. In 2003, the company willL unveil Madison, a successor to McKinley, and Deerfield, a low-power, cheaperB Itanium chip. Madison will effectively be a "shrink" of McKinley.   O Rather than get manufactured on the 180-nanometer process, Madison will feature M circuits measuring 130 nanometers. The shift will reduce the size of the chip N dramatically. In 2004, the company will come out with Montecito, the successorO to Madison, and follow it in the 2005-2006 time frame with Chivano, Montecito's  successor.    L Both Montecito and Chivano will contain influences from Compaq's Alpha chip, according to sources.    ---   @ 	AMD has 2 or 3 design teams busy.... Intel has 10.  At one time? 	AMD made the IA32 "race" interesting.  Intel design teams wore  	them down.   C 	Yeah but... AMD's 64-bit runs 32-bit binaries and it is a drop-in, C 	yada, yada.  Watch how fast and cheap Intel makes IA32 in the next B 	2 years.  Intel isn't done with IA32 by no means and will ratchet? 	up Xeon/Foster performance and drop prices to keep AMD at bay.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:08:15 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?, Message-ID: <3C6B625F.C6991DD8@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:N > Both Montecito and Chivano will contain influences from Compaq's Alpha chip, > according to sources.     J Would it be more accurate to just say that input from Alpha engineers will start to show up in   Montecito and Chivano ?  K Consiodering the vast differences in philosophy between Alpha and IA64, are N there really any Alpha specific technologies that can be implemented in IA64 ?I Once the Digital employees get their hands dirty with IA64, isn't it more : likely that they will find other methods to improve IA64 ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:29:06 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?A Message-ID: <CrLa8.26356$d34.1659903@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:hupFcXtna2bR@eisner.encompasserve.org...    ...   , > There are several facts surrounding IPF... > ' > 1) Second generation is about to ship 6 > 2) Many succeeding generations are under development  L It is appropriate to call McKinley a second-generation Itanic, since it is aK significant re-think rather than just a tweaked Merced.  But there the line D stops:  Madison/Deerfield *was* supposed to be another major step inJ evolution, but somewhere along the line whatever new development was goingL on there got canned and Madison/Deerfield became a mere McKinley shrink plus more cache.   J Intel now at least has names for successors to Madison/Deerfield, but fromH all appearances the Alpha team got to lend a major hand in defining whatH they will be (Intel seemingly having run out of steam in doing so) - andE given that they've been on the job only about 6 months, calling those J successors 'under development' rather than 'under definition' may be a bit4 optimistic (as is the 2004 release date, I suspect).  " > 3) Several billion already spent >  > It will succeed.  & Just like iAPX432.  Right.  We'll see.  *   Unfortunately, it is going to take time.  L And more billions.  And since the absolute best that can be hoped for is theJ scrapping of EPIC in favor of Alpha underpinnings, the result at best willL be an EV8-like Itanic delayed 2 - 3 years from when it would have shipped as9 Alpha:  that's a very long time to wait in this industry.      If@ > Intel can get IA32 to fly, IPF will eventually fly.  They have; > tons of process technology to make the ugliest beast fly.   K A Beechcraft will fly too, but it doesn't stand much of a chance in a fight L with an F-16.  Intel does not appear to enjoy any compelling lead in processH technology over IBM or AMD (and possibly the Asian fabs as well, but I'mF less aware of their status).  Promising that Itanic will evolve towardK mediocrity from its current bottom-of-the-heap status may give hope for itstI survival but is hardly likely to generate any real enthusiasm among thosel' who are being coerced into adopting it.t   ...i  A > AMD has 2 or 3 design teams busy.... Intel has 10.  At one timet@ > AMD made the IA32 "race" interesting.  Intel design teams wore > them down.  H Right - so much so that they're still gaining market share on Intel hand? over fist, and have far more promising technology in their next % generation/evolution than Intel does.o  L It only takes a couple of design teams to succeed, if they're good:  look at Alpha.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 11:09:20 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)pH Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?3 Message-ID: <+VtFaqFNvqRz@eisner.encompasserve.org>?  n In article <CrLa8.26356$d34.1659903@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >    >> It will succeed.t > ( > Just like iAPX432.  Right.  We'll see. >   8 	Bad example.  Not even tens of millions invested there.  , >   Unfortunately, it is going to take time. >  > And more billions.     	Good thing they have them!   : > And since the absolute best that can be hoped for is theL > scrapping of EPIC in favor of Alpha underpinnings, the result at best willN > be an EV8-like Itanic delayed 2 - 3 years from when it would have shipped as; > Alpha:  that's a very long time to wait in this industry.i >   C 	Not really.  No one else going anywhere else.  Sun stays on Sparc,- 	AIX stays on Power.   >   IfA >> Intel can get IA32 to fly, IPF will eventually fly.  They have(< >> tons of process technology to make the ugliest beast fly. > M > A Beechcraft will fly too, but it doesn't stand much of a chance in a fightaN > with an F-16.  Intel does not appear to enjoy any compelling lead in processJ > technology over IBM or AMD (and possibly the Asian fabs as well, but I'mH > less aware of their status).  Promising that Itanic will evolve towardM > mediocrity from its current bottom-of-the-heap status may give hope for its K > survival but is hardly likely to generate any real enthusiasm among thosen) > who are being coerced into adopting it.e >  > ...e > B >> AMD has 2 or 3 design teams busy.... Intel has 10.  At one timeA >> AMD made the IA32 "race" interesting.  Intel design teams woret
 >> them down.h > J > Right - so much so that they're still gaining market share on Intel handA > over fist, and have far more promising technology in their nextr' > generation/evolution than Intel does.  >    	Numbers please!  N > It only takes a couple of design teams to succeed, if they're good:  look at > Alpha. >   5 	Yep.  Done deal and migrating the technology to IPF.m   				Robe   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:55:44 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?@ Message-ID: <ASSa8.13886$Aw2.650955@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:+VtFaqFNvqRz@eisner.encompasserve.org...0I > In article <CrLa8.26356$d34.1659903@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bille& Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > >s >- > >> It will succeed.h > >8* > > Just like iAPX432.  Right.  We'll see. > >  > 9 > Bad example.  Not even tens of millions invested there.i  L Good example:  it doesn't matter how much money you've poured down the drainE if the result is still a flop - you still eventually have to cut youra losses.i   > . > >   Unfortunately, it is going to take time. > >  > > And more billions. >  > Good thing they have them!  A Bad thing:  they'll need to price Itanic to get them back, unlike92 competitors who have spent their cash more wisely.   >:< > > And since the absolute best that can be hoped for is theI > > scrapping of EPIC in favor of Alpha underpinnings, the result at bests willE > > be an EV8-like Itanic delayed 2 - 3 years from when it would havee
 shipped as= > > Alpha:  that's a very long time to wait in this industry.  > >  >vD > Not really.  No one else going anywhere else.  Sun stays on Sparc, > AIX stays on Power.e  H And that's a *bad* thing?  SPARC is of course debatable, but POWER showsH every sign of staying far ahead of Itanic, even if/when the Alpha team's& contributions finally produce results.   ...s  D > >> AMD has 2 or 3 design teams busy.... Intel has 10.  At one timeC > >> AMD made the IA32 "race" interesting.  Intel design teams wore  > >> them down.l > >AL > > Right - so much so that they're still gaining market share on Intel handC > > over fist, and have far more promising technology in their next ) > > generation/evolution than Intel does.u > >o >c > Numbers please!t  F AMD's share of the IA32 market rose to 30% recently IIRC - not exactlyL peanuts in absolute terms, and all obtained at Intel's expense.  Their shareE in Europe I think hit 50%.  And their technology appears sufficientlySK superior to Intel's that they don't need to be the first to use 12" wafers,5K etc., to remain that competitive (e.g., Clawhammer is projected to match P4 J 3400 MHz performance at smaller die sizes as well as offer 64-bit support,; thus further enhancing the advantages Athlon enjoys today).e   >eG > > It only takes a couple of design teams to succeed, if they're good:w look at 
 > > Alpha. > >l >u6 > Yep.  Done deal and migrating the technology to IPF.  J The question is, will IPF survive the 4-year wait for it - when the resultG will only be to finally achieve some degree of competitiveness with thee8 better solutions that have been available all that time?   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:04:55 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?, Message-ID: <3C6BFC46.C7E2AF5D@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:N > Good example:  it doesn't matter how much money you've poured down the drainG > if the result is still a flop - you still eventually have to cut yourM	 > losses.h  9 But for intel, isn't a mega flop something that is good ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:09:07 -0000r- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) 3 Subject: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products? 7 Message-ID: <91B57970Bwarrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>,   Hi,e  A I'm trying to find the list price of C++ on OpenVMS.  No luck at 3H www.openvms.compaq.com.  1-800-DIGITAL gives me a fax machine or a busy J signal.  1-800-888-0220 (Consumer Direct) gives me a long list of options  if I want a Presario.c  J Anyone know how us corporate types can talk to Compaq enterprise (no, not  PC's) people from NYC?   ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)l The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:20:50 -0500E> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>7 Subject: RE: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?uM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016027A7@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>t  : Try http://www.openvms.compaq.com/swcat/us/cocplsovms.html' for pricing on C++ license for OpenVMS.M   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadwayl Albany, NY  12204d USAd 518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.comd  ) I post personal opinion only, and all then* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s).n+ One should also take note of the Electronics) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, which + imposes civil and criminal liability on anyi( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."   > -----Original Message-----> > From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org [mailto:wspencer@ap.nospam.org], > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:09 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg5 > Subject: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?e >  >  > Hi,  > C > I'm trying to find the list price of C++ on OpenVMS.  No luck at -@ > www.openvms.compaq.com.  1-800-DIGITAL gives me a fax machine  > or a busy < > signal.  1-800-888-0220 (Consumer Direct) gives me a long  > list of options  > if I want a Presario.E > 8 > Anyone know how us corporate types can talk to Compaq  > enterprise (no, not  > PC's) people from NYC? >  > ws >  > --   >  > Warren Spencer) > Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)r > The Associated Press > > > ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. ** >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:55:17 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u7 Subject: Re: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products?u+ Message-ID: <3C6BFA04.17B7881@videotron.ca>v   Warren Spencer wrote:iB > I'm trying to find the list price of C++ on OpenVMS.  No luck atI > www.openvms.compaq.com.  1-800-DIGITAL gives me a fax machine or a busymK > signal.  1-800-888-0220 (Consumer Direct) gives me a long list of options  > if I want a Presario.D > K > Anyone know how us corporate types can talk to Compaq enterprise (no, not  > PC's) people from NYC?  I If everytime a customer was in your situation, the customer were to email L Richard.Marcello@compaq.com with that problem and ask him where he/she couldM call to get a simple list price, perhaps HP/Compaq would make it possible fore2 customers to find prices for VMS related products.  J Now, when HP integrates what is left of Digital in a few months, I suspect' that VMS price lists will be forgotten.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:02:11 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a7 Subject: Re: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products? , Message-ID: <3C6BFBA2.6915C2ED@videotron.ca>  ! "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" wrote:- > < > Try http://www.openvms.compaq.com/swcat/us/cocplsovms.html) > for pricing on C++ license for OpenVMS.1  ' USD $1880 for a personal use licence ?    C I bet they don't sell many such licenses. It might be cheaper for a H corporation to spin its IT department into a separate company which thenM declares itself an official developper and gets that ISV status (whatever theu: name is this week for that programme) and cheap compilers.   And the text states off with :J "A subset of the ANSI C++ Standard Library," ... and we're expected to payF orders of magnitudes more for this product than what Microsoft sells ?  P I wonder what sort of stupid justification Compaq has to overprice that product.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:09:07 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) 7 Subject: RE: How to get prices on CPQ OpenVMS products? 7 Message-ID: <91B584509warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>e  @ John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com (Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)) wrote in B <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016027A7@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>:  ; >Try http://www.openvms.compaq.com/swcat/us/cocplsovms.html ( >for pricing on C++ license for OpenVMS.  ! Thanks John - just what I needed.   L Also, I'd like to ask a more fundamental question - what phone number do us K "corporate" guys phone to talk to CPQ salespeople about OpenVMS products?  nA There seemed nothing appropriate a www.compaq.com / "Contact Us".    ws   -- n   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)y The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 07:41:57 -0800+ From: docarojr@yahoo.com (Doug Roberts, jr) ; Subject: Job Posting - VMS Managed Service Contract Managerr= Message-ID: <4b54af01.0202140741.25bc93ea@posting.google.com>   & VMS Managed Service Contract Manager.   C We are currently looking for someone to fill the opening as the VMSiA Managed Service Contract Manager.  This person will report to theI@ Director of Managed Services, and be responsible for meeting theB deliverables as outlined in the VMS Managed Service Contract.  The) responsibilities in the contract include:e  E - Pfizer CIT point of contact for all issues related to the Statementl of WorkMC - Coordinating, delivering, and monitoring Court Square's services  A - Arranging, directing and managing any independent subcontractor  services required.D - Coordinating project change management within Court Square's scope of responsibility.B - Initiating escalation activities, as necessary, within the CourtD Square organization to ensure delivery and availability of resources
 and services.l  B - Providing Pfizer CIT with monthly measurements including missed,$ SLOs, action plans and productivity.A - Participate in activities such as quality assurance activities,sB education reviews, skills gap analysis, and other such activities.  E If you have interest in this position or might know someone who wouldr2 be, please contact Joyce Skowyra at joyce@csdg.com@ <mailto:joyce@csdg.com> no later than COB Monday, February 18th.   Thanks,    Julie Chartier t Human Resources Administrator  Court Square Data Group, Inc.  (413) 746-0054 (Phone) s (413) 746-0058 (Fax) p chartier@CSDG.com 2 Information solutions that work in the real world.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:21:07 -0500o+ From: Brendan Welch <brendan_welch@uml.edu> ? Subject: Re: Job Posting - VMS Managed Service Contract Manager5& Message-ID: <3C6BE3F3.410FA75@uml.edu>  4 > Information solutions that work in the real world.   But WHERE in the real world?   --? Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell,i W1LPGo   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 09:19:28 -0800+ From: docarojr@yahoo.com (Doug Roberts, jr)oL Subject: Re: Job Posting - VMS Managed Service Contract Manager - Groton, CT= Message-ID: <4b54af01.0202140919.708c21a4@posting.google.com>s  D I should have also posted that this position is based in Groton, CT.   DCRh  p docarojr@yahoo.com (Doug Roberts, jr) wrote in message news:<4b54af01.0202140741.25bc93ea@posting.google.com>...( > VMS Managed Service Contract Manager.  > E > We are currently looking for someone to fill the opening as the VMS C > Managed Service Contract Manager.  This person will report to the B > Director of Managed Services, and be responsible for meeting theD > deliverables as outlined in the VMS Managed Service Contract.  The+ > responsibilities in the contract include:u > G > - Pfizer CIT point of contact for all issues related to the Statementp	 > of WorkoE > - Coordinating, delivering, and monitoring Court Square's services eC > - Arranging, directing and managing any independent subcontractor: > services required.F > - Coordinating project change management within Court Square's scope > of responsibility.D > - Initiating escalation activities, as necessary, within the CourtF > Square organization to ensure delivery and availability of resources > and services.r > D > - Providing Pfizer CIT with monthly measurements including missed,& > SLOs, action plans and productivity.C > - Participate in activities such as quality assurance activities,iD > education reviews, skills gap analysis, and other such activities. > G > If you have interest in this position or might know someone who wouldp4 > be, please contact Joyce Skowyra at joyce@csdg.comB > <mailto:joyce@csdg.com> no later than COB Monday, February 18th. > 
 > Thanks,  >  > Julie Chartier n  > Human Resources Administrator   > Court Square Data Group, Inc.  > (413) 746-0054 (Phone) c > (413) 746-0058 (Fax) c > chartier@CSDG.com 4 > Information solutions that work in the real world.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:27:05 +0100 & From: "tim" <t_stekkinger@hotmail.com> Subject: Leak in snmp version 1e4 Message-ID: <N5Na8.45904$W05.108197@zonnet-reader-1>   Hello,  : i heard some noises that there is a leak in smnp version 1J is this information true??if it is can you send me a solution to help this problem to go away!d   greeting   timothy    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:23:02 +0100e2 From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at># Subject: Re: Leak in snmp version 1oG Message-ID: <3c6bac21$0$10094$6e365a64@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>e  7 "tim" <t_stekkinger@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragn. news:N5Na8.45904$W05.108197@zonnet-reader-1... > Hello, >o< > i heard some noises that there is a leak in smnp version 1L > is this information true??if it is can you send me a solution to help this > problem to go away!d >.
 > greeting >m	 > timothy  >y >    Hi!a  G I have received the following message regarding that subject. Compaq iscK mentioned in it, but not which of their oprating systems. as my systems aree3 in a DMZ behind a Firewall, I don't worry too much.d9 If you find further information, please keep us informed.-   regards    Ren  & quote---------------------------------$ Von: X-Force [mailto:xforce@iss.net]  * Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Februar 2002 18:58   An: issforum@iss.net  2 Betreff: ISS Alert: PROTOS Remote SNMP Attack Tool          K TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email "unsubscribe issforum" in the body of your message tos  L majordomo@iss.net Contact issforum-owner@iss.net for help with any problems!  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  ( Internet Security Systems Security Alert   February 12, 2002    PROTOS Remote SNMP Attack Tool      	 Synopsis:   E ISS X-Force has learned of a powerful SNMP (Simple Network Managementt  = Protocol) attack tool that may be circulating in the computer   H underground. The PROTOS SNMP stress-testing tool sends thousands of test  H cases to SNMP daemons from a remote system to discover programming flaws  F or exploitable vulnerabilities. This tool has the immediate ability to  H crash SNMP daemons and hardware devices running SNMP. The circulation of  F this tool may lead to a the widespread use of new exploits to crash or  > compromise vulnerable systems. SNMP is ubiquitous as a network  C management protocol on the Internet. Nearly every operating system,r  H router, switch, cable or DSL modem, and firewall is shipped with an SNMP   service.       Affected Versions:  A The PROTOS Project has provided the following list as a sample ofa  B vendors that support SNMPv1 implementations in their products. The  G following vendors may or may not be vulnerable to the PROTOS SNMP tool:   D 3Com, Alcatel, Amber Networks, Arbor, Banyan Networks, Canon, Cisco,  B Compaq, Computer Associates, D-Link, Dell, Digi, Ericsson, Extreme  E networks, F5, Foundry, Fujitsu Siemens, HP, Hitachi, IBM, ICL, Intel,n  @ Juniper Networks, Lantronix, Laurel, Lotus Lucent, Marconi-Fore,  D Microsoft, Multitech, NET-SNMP, NetGear, Nokia, Nortel, Novell, SMC,  H Shiva, Siemens, Sumimoto, Sun Microsystems, Telebit, Teledat, Windriver,   Xerox, Xylan, Zyxelo  5 CERT has stated that over 100 vendors are vulnerable.t       Description:  H The University of Oulu of Linnanmaa, Finland launched the PROTOS Project  H to develop thorough testing procedures for uncovering programming faults  D and potentially exploitable vulnerabilities. The basis of the PROTOS  D effort is to develop thousands of test cases and launch them against  = implementations of the target protocol to uncover programminga  G weaknesses. This method is also often referred to as "fuzz testing," orw  > "black box testing." The PROTOS project was very successful in  F uncovering weaknesses and exploitable vulnerabilities in many LDAP and   HTTP implementations.   F The PROTOS SNMP attack tool was released in a limited fashion, but ISS  D X-Force believes that the computer underground is actively using the  F tool to assess SNMP weaknesses and to develop new exploits. The PROTOS  C team has proven that many implementations of SNMP are vulnerable to   C numerous flaws tested by the tool. X-Force testing has verified then   claims of the PROTOS team.  ? This tool is extremely thorough and is perceived to be the mosti  H exhaustive SNMP testing tool available. It launches various combinations    of six main types of test cases:   - - bit pattern exceptiona  1 - - BER (Basic Encoding Rules) encoding exceptionu   - - format string exception:   - - integer value exceptioni   - - missing symbol exception   - - overflow exception  A The effectiveness of the tool is increased by targeting broadcast   H addresses. As a result, the reach of the tool can be greatly extended by  & simultaneously attacking many devices.       Recommendations:  F The PROTOS SNMP attack tool has proven very effective against networks  E and devices that are not protected by firewalls or any type of packet2  F filter. It is well known that SNMP traffic can be dangerous and should  % be heavily filtered at the perimeter.a  H ISS X-Force recommends that all system administrators immediately assess  F their exposure to SNMP traffic (ports 161 and 162 tcp/udp). Individual  D users should assess their exposure or contact their cable modem, DSL  B modem, or router vendor to inquire about potential issues. X-Force  H recommends that home users consider installing perimeter defenses in the  C form of a router with filtering capabilities, and personal firewalle  / software with intrusion detection capabilities.m  E Cisco users should be aware that it has been reported that some Ciscoz  F routers and switches will not filter packets even if configured to, if  C there is an SNMP community string defined with an ACL on it, and anl  H 'snmp-server host' is configured with the same community string. In this  B configuration, a packet could be sent to the router or switch that    ignores all ACL's on the device.      > An Internet Scanner FlexCheck has been developed to detect all  F potentially vulnerable SNMPv1 networked devices. Additional assessment  E support will be added in an upcoming Internet Scanner X-Press Update.-  " The FlexCheck is available now at:  B https://www.iss.net/cgi-bin/download/customer/download_product.cgi      E RealSecure Network Sensor may trigger several different signatures in6  H response to an SNMP attack using the PROTOS SNMP attack tool. RealSecure  F administrators should closely examine the following events if they are   detected by RealSecure:n   - - SNMP_Activityu   - - SNMP_Set   - - SNMP_Community  H An X-Press Update for RealSecure Network Sensor will be released as soon  H as possible that includes detection support for the various attacks used  F in PROTOS SNMP attack tool. In an effort to provide the X-Press Update  C to customers as quickly as possible, XPUs for different versions oft  @ Network Sensor will be released as they are completed. Detection  D support will also be added in a future update for BlackICE products.  H RealSecure Network Sensor administrators can configure connection events  A to detect SNMP traffic on the network, including both normal SNMP   F traffic and attacks against SNMP. Use the instructions below to create  C the following four connection events and apply them to your policy:*  J - - SNMP over TCP (a connection event that will trigger anytime traffic is   destined to TCP port 161)1  J - - SNMP over UDP (a connection event that will trigger anytime traffic is   destined to UDP port 161)w  E - - SNMP Traps over TCP (a connection event that will trigger anytimeB  $ traffic is destined to TCP port 162)  E - - SNMP Traps over UDP (a connection event that will trigger anytime   $ traffic is destined to UDP port 162)   To add new connection events:r  D 1. Choose the policy that you want to use, and then click Customize.  $ 2. Select the Connection Events tab.    3. In the right pane, click Add.  / To create a Connection Event for SNMP over TCP:   1 1. Type in a name of the event, such as SNMP_TCP.e  E 2. In the Response field for the event, select the responses you wants   to use.   % 3. In the Protocol field, select TCP.y  = 4. In the Src Port/Type field, leave the default value of Anyi  	 selected.i  E 5. In the Dest Port/Type field, select the entry for SNMP (port 161).    6. Click OK.  / To create a Connection Event for SNMP over UDP:o  1 1. Type in a name of the event, such as SNMP_UDP.1  E 2. In the Response field for the event, select the responses you wantc   to use.p  % 3. In the Protocol field, select UDP.'  = 4. In the Src Port/Type field, leave the default value of Any   	 selected..  E 5. In the Dest Port/Type field, select the entry for SNMP (port 161).l   6. Click OK.  5 To create a Connection Event for SNMP Traps over TCP:   5 1. Type in a name of the event, such as SNMPTRAP_TCP.a  E 2. In the Response field for the event, select the responses you want    to use.   % 3. In the Protocol field, select TCP.e  = 4. In the Src Port/Type field, leave the default value of Any   	 selected.l  C 5. In the Dest Port/Type field, select the entry for SNMPTRAP (port-   162).-   6. Click OK.  5 To create a Connection Event for SNMP Traps over UDP:.  5 1. Type in a name of the event, such as SNMPTRAP_UDP.   E 2. In the Response field for the event, select the responses you wanta   to use.r  % 3. In the Protocol field, select UDP.r  = 4. In the Src Port/Type field, leave the default value of Any8  	 selected.v  C 5. In the Dest Port/Type field, select the entry for SNMPTRAP (porte   162).    6. Click OK.  $ To enable the new connection events:  / 1. Save the changes, and then close the window.C  A 2. Click 'Apply to Sensor' or 'Apply to Engine', depending on thea  $ version of RealSecure you are using.      F BlackICE products may trigger several different signatures in response  G to an SNMP attack using the PROTOS SNMP attack tool. BlackICE users andu  F administrators should closely examine the following events if they are   detected by BlackICE:a   - - SNMP community long    - - SNMP sysName overflowh   - - SNMP Crack   - - SNMP Port Probe    - - SNMP Corrupt   - - SNMP Backdoorh   - - SNMP SET sysContact0   - - SNMP discovery broadcast   - - UDP Port Probe  ? Detection support will be added in a future update for BlackICE   	 products.5   Additional Information:a   ISS X-Force Database,e  2 http://www.iss.net/security_center/static/8115.php   This alert is available at:n  7 http://www.iss.net/security_center/alerts/advise110.phpl  C [Note: It may take up to 24 hours from the original posting of thisa  ( alert for it to appear on the Web site.]   ______  % About Internet Security Systems (ISS)i  D Founded in 1994, Internet Security Systems (ISS) (Nasdaq: ISSX) is a  G pioneer and world leader in software and services that protect criticala  F online resources from an ever-changing spectrum of threats and misuse.  ? Internet Security Systems is headquartered in Atlanta, GA, withh  F additional operations throughout the Americas, Asia, Australia, Europe  F and the Middle East. For more information, visit the Internet Security  7 Systems Web site at <www.iss.net> or call 888-901-7477.o  F Copyright (c) 2002 Internet Security Systems, Inc. All rights reserved  
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Any use of this  & information is at the user's own risk.  C X-Force PGP Key available on MIT's PGP key server and PGP.com's keyr  F server as well as at: http://www.iss.net/security_center/sensitive.php  : Please send suggestions, updates, and comments to: X-Force  1 xforce@iss.net of Internet Security Systems, Inc.y           -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----a   Version: 2.6.3a    Charset: noconvn  @ iQCVAwUBPGlVpDRfJiV99eG9AQEnEwP/Tn7ldVQO856BpG4y7PD88JY5MqeSJg/9  @ GlrHqHCdYt2+4H2TT/7hR6dDkrBSbZ5xIVBhBirqvlHkKWKdiEIKuiP+7sYVjxNL  @ wDmIhH3jYA0/2Tve14yGswNS+H1yeWrBD8FIt+rklWXxKdYOwfpBWDprPWeMBhQy   dKCOy4HViF0=   =t5YfC   -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----u      ) unquote ---------------------------------a   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 01:24:32 -0800- From: adrian_ogden@hotmail.com (Scumbag Adie)n8 Subject: Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links= Message-ID: <91445c94.0202140124.1d5c0d4d@posting.google.com>   v keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) wrote in message news:<cf15391e.0202120608.4362e0ff@posting.google.com>...t > adrian_ogden@hotmail.com (Scumbag Adie) wrote in message news:<91445c94.0202050131.6779a279@posting.google.com>...H > > I've got two VMS 6.1 Clusters (main/standby) connected via 2 2Mb WANH > > links can these be load balanced (DNA mainly used) using appropriateF > > Router/Bridges (prefer bridging) or is this a function of the host > > s/w? > > E > > Host based volume shadowing is to be deployed across these links.o > F > Others have addressed the DNA-related issues.  I'd like to point outB > that if you're running host-based volume shadowing, the protocolD > involved is SCS, not DNA, and I'll address the SCS-related issues. > F > According to the OpenVMS Cluster Software SPD, the minimum supportedD > bandwidth between cluster nodes is 10Mb, so your 2x2=4Mb bandwidthC > might expose you to questions about official support.  It's quitenD > possible the cluster will run OK, thanks to the congestion controlB > (adaptive retransmit window size) and adaptive retransmit timingH > introduced in PEDRIVER in VMS 6.0.  But how much data do you intend toF > shadow across the link?  I'm thinking that unless you need to shadowD > only a relatively small number of smaller disks, shadow-copy timesG > would likely be excessive with this small amount of bandwidth betweenD > sites. > B > If you choose to bridge the two links, then (contrary to what anF > earlier poster stated) it is indeed possible, with careful selectionH > of bridge root priorities, to prevent the Spanning Tree algorithm fromF > turning off one of the inter-site links (it can be arranged so as toD > turn off one of the intra-site links instead).  You'll also likelyC > need to lower the spanning tree timers if you want to ensure that H > spanning tree reconfigurations (which occur after a disruption such asF > a bridge reboot or a link bounce) can complete within a time shorterF > than the RECNXINTERVAL value (which defaults to 20 seconds), or else, > node(s) will be kicked out of the cluster. > F > Note that since you're running DECnet Phase IV, you won't be able toA > use multiple LAN adapters per node if the two links are bridgedcH > together, because when DECnet starts up, it changes the MAC address ofH > all LAN adapters it knows about (even if their STATE is set to OFF) toH > the DECnet-style MAC address of AA-00-04-00-yy-xx, a fixed value basedD > on the node's DECnet address, and you can't have multiple adaptersF > with the same MAC address connected to the same extended LAN, or the> > bridges get confused and performance gets bad as packets get > mis-directed.u > G > If you keep the two links unbridged, as separate independent extendedaG > LANs, then you can have two LAN adapters per node, with one connectedeH > to each link, and you avoid problems with duplicate MAC addresses withA > Phase IV, and also avoid all the Spanning Tree issues.  In this E > configuration, PEDRIVER handles load-balancing and fail-over of the D > SCS traffic over the two links.  If you have at least two nodes atE > each end of the links, in my experience PEDRIVER does a good job of E > evenly balancing the load across the two paths.  (If you're runningeD > VMS 7.3, it can balance the load evenly with only a single node atG > each end of the two links.)  (For DECnet, this configuration is knownaH > as "multi-homed end nodes", and while only one of the two LAN adaptersD > on a given node is used at a given time for DECnet traffic, it can3 > fail over to the other LAN adapter if necessary.)hA > ---------------------------------------------------------------3A > Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:j@ > Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs  F <>Thank you for a very comprehensive answer (plenty to chew on there).? The <>fundamental problem to resolve is are there any technicalaE reasons why running <>a 4Mb link between cluster nodes instead of them; mandated 10Mb minimum would <>be a bad idea other than justn> performance (its only to be used for shadowing <>small disks)?B <>I thought I've run a cluster satellite on a 64Kb link before now quite happily.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 06:44:12 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)n8 Subject: Re: Load Balancing DNA across 2*2MBit WAN links= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0202140644.503c8a18@posting.google.com>   r adrian_ogden@hotmail.com (Scumbag Adie) wrote in message news:<91445c94.0202140124.1d5c0d4d@posting.google.com>...? > The fundamental problem to resolve is are there any technical E > reasons why running a 4Mb link between cluster nodes instead of the"; > mandated 10Mb minimum would be a bad idea other than just > > performance (its only to be used for shadowing small disks)?B > I thought I've run a cluster satellite on a 64Kb link before now > quite happily.  ; Yes, I've heard at least 2 other reports at DECUS of people F sucessfully booting a satellite node into a cluster over a 56Kb line. C People have also run clusters over microwave links that really onlymC give about 6Mb bandwidth despite having 10Mb Ethernet interfaces on @ each end.  (When you think about it, the old 10Mb Ethernet, withC contention on a coaxial cable (which was the technology at the timepD the limit was set), really only provided about 7Mb of real bandwidth? tops, due to collisions.)  So your 4 Mb isn't that far from theu supported situation.  C If you don't need official support, then feel free to forge ahead. tF The risk you take and the experience you gain benefits the rest of us.D  It wouldn't be the first time a customer pushed a technology beyond; its supported limits to meet their specific business needs.   E The 10Mb specification was set before the improvements that Lee LeahyPE did (with the help of Verell Boaen, Tom Coughlan, and Paul Harter) insF PEDRIVER at V6.0. It is my technical opinion that it would be possibleD to modify the cluster SPD to now officially support at least T1 (1.5D Mb) and E1 (2Mb) links in clusters, with appropriate limits on, say,C cluster size, and some caveats about performance.  I'd be much lesss8 confident about the success of using 56Kb or 64Kb links.  D I also know, thanks to a brave customer's experience, that a clusterC can run with 151 nodes (and based on examining the code, in theory,MD probably work up to about 224 nodes), despite the supported limit inF the SPD being 96 nodes.  (I've lobbied to raise it to at least 128, toD at least match the claims of competitors such as HP, but that hasn'tE happened yet.)  I don't want to give the impression that there was notB risk, in fact, that customer did run up against some real bugs andC hard-coded limits during their testing (which have been fixed), butdD their business needs at the time necessitated what they did, and DEC? learned a lot thanks to their experience.  They arranged to get D best-effort support from VMS Engineering, but with no guarantees (if@ they encountered a problem that proved to be insurmountable, theC answer from DEC might have been to drop back to 96 nodes), and thatTB level of support turned out to be good enough for their purposes.  Perhaps you could do the same.  A Changing either of these limits in the SPD itself would require a B perception of customer demand and/or competitive need, followed byF some qualification work to ensure that it would actually work reliablyD under all conceivable conditions and that Compaq wouldn't get burned> in officially supporting the expanded capabilities.  If you'reF interested, the appropriate thing to do would be to express your needs4 to the Product Manager for OpenVMS Cluster Software, Andy.Schneider@compaq.com.? ---------------------------------------------------------------d? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:u> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:20:41 +0100 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> A Subject: Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime.6 Message-ID: <00A098C9.B7C6CDEC.8@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > > L > > Actually, on a related matter, what I would be interested in finding outM > > is what the longest uptime record is for a VMS cluster as a whole insteadn2 > > of any individual systems within that cluster. > 8 > Great! There should also be a SHOW SYSTEM/CLUSTER that > calculates the l > overall cluster uptime.t    There is (but different command)   $ SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUSh   and then type the command   
 ADD FORMED  * which displays the cluster formation date.  J So ... anyone hav one that's been around since VMS 4.0 shipped, or did the* Y2K panic/preparations kill them all off?    	Yours,t
 		Nigel Arnotn- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   a  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:42:56 GMTw1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>oA Subject: Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime,2 Message-ID: <3C6BCDE7.EC292EB6@clarityconnect.com>  , $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("CLUSTER_FTIME")   Nigel Arnot wrote: >  > > >rN > > > Actually, on a related matter, what I would be interested in finding outO > > > is what the longest uptime record is for a VMS cluster as a whole insteade4 > > > of any individual systems within that cluster. > >d: > > Great! There should also be a SHOW SYSTEM/CLUSTER that > > calculates the > > overall cluster uptime.. > " > There is (but different command) >  > $ SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUSo >  > and then type the commandf >  > ADD FORMED > , > which displays the cluster formation date. > L > So ... anyone hav one that's been around since VMS 4.0 shipped, or did the+ > Y2K panic/preparations kill them all off?e >  >         Yours, >                 Nigel ArnotC* >                 NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK > G >                 "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."o   -- rD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 08:18:58 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Microsoft bug patch fails ... worse than before fix!n= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202140818.6725ac5d@posting.google.com>m  A yea Capellas and Carly, windoze and linux sure are the future forlC high end computing ... I don't think so, maybe yours, but not mine!o  ) Microsoft Security Patch Said Ineffectivet  ) Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:17 a.m. ESTs  F NEW YORK (Reuters) - A Microsoft  Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) program designedF to plug a common security hole is vulnerable to the very attack it wasD designed to prevent, the Wall Street Journal  alleged in a report on6 Thursday, citing a prominent security consulting firm.  B Last month Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates  announced a company-wide< initiative to improve the security features of its products.  B Microsoft on Wednesday unveiled a collection of programming tools,E including a new version of a special-purpose program that it modifieddE to try to prevent a common hacker attack called buffer overflows, then
 Journal said.t  < Researchers at Cigital, of Dulles, Va., found that Microsoft@ apparently adopted a technique that has been used with the LinuxB operating system and shown to be vulnerable to attack, the Journal said.e  ; As a result, the program, called Visual C++.NET, could leadt> programmers to write even more programs that are vulnerable to- buffer-overflow attacks, the Journal alleged.   3 Microsoft was not immediately available to comment.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:12:08 -0600 , From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>0 Subject: Re: Mounting CD takes VMS 7.2-1 down...2 Message-ID: <a4gr1q$kbf$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  H The fact that the system crashed from the attempt to mount the disk (anyF disk!) was a VMS fault.  The fact that the disk was created improperlyE and does not follow the expected standards (even though, as expected, * most peecees won't care) is Roxio's fault.  $ Larry Kilgallen wrote in message ...4 >In article <3C6A5B6D.3DEACE23@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews  <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: >> Mark Sun wrote: >>>dA >>> An ISO9660 CD burned using Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum on a HP 	 cd-writer 9 >>> 9500 causes an immediate systems crash when mounting:n >>G >> In this case you'll find the problem in fact lies on your PC system.e Let  >> me guess. ROXIO ! >>G >> The problem is that it does NOT stick to the ISO standards, and IIRCr aoF >> bit is set, or not set, and this causes VMS to bugcheck. There is aE >> patch, the MOUNT96, but this simply prevents you from mounting the  disk,i# >> therefore avoiding the bugcheck.n >eF >Certainly VMS should be able to receive any random bit pattern on theE >disk and avoid crashing.  I gather the patch fixes that for this onea1 >pattern of random bits, but it was a VMS defect.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 12:14:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r0 Subject: Re: Mounting CD takes VMS 7.2-1 down...3 Message-ID: <ZQ6F24HqEK74@eisner.encompasserve.org>E  a In article <a4gr1q$kbf$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com> writes: J > The fact that the system crashed from the attempt to mount the disk (anyH > disk!) was a VMS fault.  The fact that the disk was created improperlyG > and does not follow the expected standards (even though, as expected,f, > most peecees won't care) is Roxio's fault.  D Yes, but some of us have lower expectations for desktop software :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:58:45 -0500I5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>t$ Subject: Re: OT: "Crashless Windows"2 Message-ID: <X8JrPD11WWDVKYjR9PryWeGMUZXk@4ax.com>  5 On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:20:07 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"( <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >David Beatty wrote: >> aE >>     There is an interesting blurb in the "Positive Plenum" section-> >> of the Objective American for Wednesday, February 13, 2002;< >> it can be accessed from http://www.objectiveamerican.com.= >> A former Digital employee, Robert Glorioso, has created an ; >> inexpensive way to couple up to four Windows servers andu> >> do so with five-9s uptime, at a cost of $20K to $100K.  The= >> configuration is called Endurance.  One wonders if he usedt? >> ideas from VMS clusters?  At any rate, it should prove to ber >> interesting.t >  >"Crashless"???!!! >yG >The article itself identifies the problem: Windows crashes frequently.F >e5 >This product doesn't solve the problem, it masks it.h >A >Band-aid solution, at best.  =     True, but as long as the application keeps running and nom4 transactions are lost, what difference does it make?   David R. Beattyt   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:42:38 +0100 (MET)S9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 3 Subject: OT: language (was: ...Younger recruits...)e; Message-ID: <01KE9RI1I7G08ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  I > Do you give much credence to the idea that language shapes the thoughtssI > that are possible? I think it's true, there are certain things that theeJ > French don't really have a way of saying, and IME just don't talk about.A > Similarly German is blessed with dozens of words like Angst ands > Weltschmerz.=20r  I Steven Pinker deconstructs this argument in his excellent HOW THE MIND=20AH WORKS, "this" being that "not even having a word for it" implies that=20H the concept is foreign to the culture (quite apart from the fact that=20I most such examples are bogus anyway, there actually being a word).  He=208H uses "Schadenfreude" as an example.  Does a speaker of English say "Wow,G `expressing joy due to the misfortune of others', hmm, I can't quite=20-K fathom it, what a strange concept, must stem from a completely different=20dH society"?  No, he says "Cool!  You mean they actually have a WORD for=20	 it?"  :-)n  E In other words, "not having a word for it" does NOT imply that the=20tF concept does not exist.  On the other hand, if the concept does not=20H exist, there probably isn't a word for it, though there might be in a=20F language whose culture has the concept.  The traditional example is=20C "Gem=FCtlichkeit", for which there doesn't seem to be an English=20e< translation (but there are translations in other languages).   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:52:21 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 3 Subject: OT: language (was: ...Younger recruits...) ; Message-ID: <01KE9RQYOLXY8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>p  H > Oh yeah, my Grandmother used to be able to (or still can) read the oldD > German alphabet. It's sort-of perverted Latin alphabet really. TheH > B-looking thing for "ss" is just an old German S (drawn like a leaningJ > straight line going down and up), and the Z, which looks like a 3, as i= shC > still used by some Z-writers today. Yup it's just sz together.=20s  K It's more a typeface (and associated handwriting) than an alphabet, like=20rI using Times instead of New Century Schoolbook, not like using Cyrillic=20R instead of Latin letters.d  K Going back a few more centuries, runes WERE a different alphabet.  Sure,=20eI there was a common origin with Latin letters, but the same is true for=20y Cyrillic as well.e  E > Interestingly, the German government recently outlawed teaching the ; > old letters in schools, including /3 or B or whatever.=20w  J Not exactly, on two counts.  First, there was a reform of spelling, and=20F OF COURSE schools are required to teach the new spelling; "outlawed=20H teaching the old letters" is putting it a bit harsh.  Second, the =DF=20J (compose s s on your trusty DEC keyboard) is still around; only in some=20J cases has it been replaced by "ss" (except in Switzerland, where it has=20! been absent for a long time now).    > They now have to use ss,=20r  
 See above.  . > and I think they're cutting down some of the? > other letters too, including accents and vowel diphthongs.=20o  - Completely bogus claim.  Nothing of the sort.e  G > My great-uncle's wife (he and her are only about 40) was a bit bummed D > out about it, apparently a lot of Deutschlanders are, because it'sB > selling out their culture, maybe with the idea of making it more > American.   H Regardless of what one thinks about the Rechtschreibreform (yes, even=20; under the new system---which affects much more than just=20sH spelling---nouns are still always capitalised, in fact even more than=20E before, which goes against your "making it more American" claim as=20 D well), it is NOT motivated by the idea of "making it more American".  B Having said that, there IS a tendency (highly predominant among=20J adolescents with backwards baseball caps and nouveau rich types) to use=20J English words to sound high-class, much like French words are sometimes=20K used in English.  This, however, has nothing to do with the new spelling=20tI etc.  (Quite the opposite; foreign words can now be spelled as if they=20 H were German, as has been the case in Swedish for a long time.)  It is=20F window dressing which is a giveaway that the product itself doesn't=20I stand up.  Often, these pseudo-English words are not even real English=20  words.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:37:41 -0800 (PST)k. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>+ Subject: OT: Proliant DL and DS-10 cabinetso@ Message-ID: <20020214183741.15798.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>  2 Just an personal opinion to the engineering people+ at Compaq which develops these 1U servers..-  3 We are instaling a Beowulf cluster with 32 Proliant , DL servers and what mess of cables....power, network and storage (FC).e  , Why dont Compaq use a "backplane" as used by% the DNPG products - ex-DEC products ?r  5 These DL and DS server should have the possibility ton/ install a backplane. Each 5, 10 for example....a   Regardsh   FC n   =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Braziln fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?1 Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!- http://greetings.yahoo.com   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 01:42:48 -0800$ From: Psmout@slb.com (Peter J Smout)7 Subject: Running TCPIPTRACE crashes an Alphaserver ES401= Message-ID: <de097b60.0202140142.3513db69@posting.google.com>e  F Is anyone aware of a VMS 7.1-2 bug where running TCPIPTRACE apparently# crashes the alpha when you logout ?lC Version of UCX is V4.2 - ECO 2 I cannot find anything on the net ate0 all yet the info came from a Compaq engineer ???   Thanks is advanced   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:43:32 -0500a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger); Subject: Re: Running TCPIPTRACE crashes an Alphaserver ES40rK Message-ID: <rdeininger-1402020743320001@1cust110.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>t  = In article <de097b60.0202140142.3513db69@posting.google.com>,u% Psmout@slb.com (Peter J Smout) wrote:o  G >Is anyone aware of a VMS 7.1-2 bug where running TCPIPTRACE apparently $ >crashes the alpha when you logout ?D >Version of UCX is V4.2 - ECO 2 I cannot find anything on the net at1 >all yet the info came from a Compaq engineer ???l  J UCX V4.2 is pretty old, and very bug-ridden.  You'd do yourself a favor byD upgrading to TCPIP V5.1 with the latest ECO.  (TCPIP - same product, different name.)  ' While you're at it, upgrade to VMS 7.3.   I It's been too long since I used UCX V4.2.  I don't remember this bug, butn! it's likely documented somewhere.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:49:07 +0100s$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>; Subject: Re: Running TCPIPTRACE crashes an Alphaserver ES40e/ Message-ID: <goOa8.17$YS1.231@news.cpqcorp.net>)  1 "Peter J Smout" <Psmout@slb.com> wrote in messagea7 news:de097b60.0202140142.3513db69@posting.google.com...oH > Is anyone aware of a VMS 7.1-2 bug where running TCPIPTRACE apparently% > crashes the alpha when you logout ? E > Version of UCX is V4.2 - ECO 2 I cannot find anything on the net at 2 > all yet the info came from a Compaq engineer ??? >o > Thanks is advancea  K Yes this is known, but if you do not want to move to Tcpip 5.0 eco 3 or 5.1e eco 3, at least go toh Ucx 4.2 Eco 5.; If memory serves me, this is fixed in the ECO 3 of Ucx 4.2.    Regardsn   Grard   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:17:45 +0000 (UTC)m" From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  a5 Message-ID: <3cacbc12.480804889@news.btopenworld.com>c  2 On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:26:04 +0100, Terje Mathisen( <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> sprachen:  F >A number like 86 in Danish is 'six-and-four-twenties' (seks-og-fjers) >afaik.e  C This probably won't be the first post to point this out, but Frenchn? also does this for 80, and I think 93 may be "four-twenties andsE thirteen". I can't remember exactly, but they do run out of names ford decades as you get towards 100.t  F In English we have names for all the decades, just like German. Good.   > Do you give much credence to the idea that language shapes the@ thoughts that are possible? I think it's true, there are certainF things that the French don't really have a way of saying, and IME justB don't talk about. Similarly German is blessed with dozens of words like Angst and Weltschmerz.   E S'why Sartre was stylish and talked in a more personal way, while theiE German philosophers adeptly and often describe 250 different types offB depression. In fact German probably has more words for unhappiness than the Eskimos have for snow.-  < I think language shapes our worldview (what's the German for0 "worldview", again?). Orwell was pretty spot-on.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:14:16 +0900t& From: "David Lee" <phongle@kornet.net> Subject: Re: Telnet problems+ Message-ID: <a4g92g$9ss$1@news1.kornet.net>i  - I am using TCP-IP Services Ver 5 from Compaq.a Regards, Davidl  from @ "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message* news:a4dm8j$n1v$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de...9 > In article <a4ddog$20e$1@news1.kornet.net>, "David Lee"  <phongle@kornet.net> writes:K > >I can ftp to my remote host (Alpha machine running VMS 7.2) no problems.e Why43 > >can't I telnet? It kept saying "Connection fail"h: > >How can I set up so I can do a remote login from my pc? > >Does anyone have any ideas? >IL > Tell us your TCP-IP stack (Multinet, TCP-IP services from Compaq, TCPware, CMU)9 > and it is more likely that we will be able to help you.J >o
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmannc >RJ > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:24:28 GMT ? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)o. Subject: Re: UUID/GUID Source code for OpenVMS. Message-ID: <3c6b7083.386655@news.demon.co.uk>  9 On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:23:32 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Maher"V <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> wrote:2   >iK >Also Jim might be in the mood to give his personal cast iron gurantee thatiM >the last 6 bytes of a TID are architecturally specified and will *always* beIM >the scsnodename of the caller of  $create_uid (either directly or indirectlyr >via $start_trans etc)  B Jim's "cast iron guarentee" would be fairly meaningless, as I hopeF everyone realizes.  To cover the ground again, I designed the originalD DECdtm services, led the team that did the implementation (and wrote@ some amount of it myself), and more recently my company did someD specific work for Compaq on DECdtm.  However, while I therefore knowE quite a bit about how DECdtm works, the services belong to Compaq anda
 not to me.  D The UIDs are DCE/ISO UUIDs.  These standards are published, and theyD include descriptions and layouts of how the UUID is to be formatted.  E Right now, the format calls for the last six bytes to be derived fromEE the SCSNODEID (not the SCSNODENAME).  However, be clear that all thatoF is required is that the last six bytes be pulled from a unique networkD address.  While the source for this value may not change, I wouldn't' count on it.  DECdtm certainly doesn't.l   Jim.   Jim Johnsonh Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:55:37 -0500v- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>d  Subject: Re: vms 7.3 diagnostics2 Message-ID: <36Ra8.13227$X2.152610@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  A "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in message 0 news:14FEB02.14395448@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu...A > In a previous article, Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> wrote:t > ->Rob Buxton wrote:t > ->K > ->> On 13 Feb 2002 18:39:29 GMT, "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com> wrote:o > ->>aH > ->>>Is it true that we must use Windows to view diagnostics on OpenVMS v7.3?e9 > ->>>Gone are the days of $ANALYZE/ERROR and $DIAGNOSE ?d > ->>i > ->> No it's not true.lF > ->> If you've got DECEvent installed it still works with 7.3 without. > ->> needing any kind of windows environment. > ->>d > ->> diagnose/interactive  > ->> diagnose/translate/summary > ->>  > ->> all work as they shoulda > ->>s > ->A > ->Unless you have an ES40 or some other newer EV6-based system.t >dI > However you still have VMS command line capability with Compaq Analyze.p6 > It sort of emulates Diagnose (though not very well): >g > $ ca v /translate/summarys >nC > As others have pointed out CA, is a huge resource pig (even on anI > ES40/833). > ...D  J DIAGNOSE will still run on the newer CPU's, but it is not supported. ThereL may be errors that appear in the error log that DIAGNOSE will not translate.E So far every error we have had on our ES40's has been translatable bynI DIAGNOSE. If we ever hit an error that DIAGNOSE can not work with then wemJ will send the error log to Compaq and let them run CA on THEIR SYSTEM withL our error log. I will not ever install CA on any machine that I have control over again.c  K I would tell you exactly what I think about CA, but my Mother told me nevert to use words like that.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:59:04 -0800a, From: "Scott Stark" <starkh@saic.com_nospam>  Subject: Re: vms 7.3 diagnostics' Message-ID: <3c6b6f16$1@cpns1.saic.com>b  D Is this true, DIAGNOSE does not work with ES40 or EV6-chip or higher systems?% Or does it work in a limited fashion?m -- Scott Stark - SAIC2 <Mailto: starkh@saic.com_nospam>  <- remove nospam4 "Stuart Fuller" <stufuller@usa.net> wrote in message* news:v5df4a.den.ln@dadsys1.fuller.local... >g? > Unless you have an ES40 or some other newer EV6-based system.t >a
 >         Stua   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:54:11 +0100e2 From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at>- Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, DECnet IV, proxy accessgG Message-ID: <3c6b7b2e$0$18064$6e365a64@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>t  > "Marty Kuhrt" <kuhrt@encompasserve.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag- news:quYEeCt$bHdw@eisner.encompasserve.org...e" > Alpha VMS V7.3, DECnet Phase IV. >tB > I've been scratching my head about this one, and haven't figured? > out what I'm doing wrong.  I'm trying to set up proxies on myn- > home machines so that if on nodeb I type...e >( > $ dir nodea::disk:[dir]r >:A > without the username and password string, it will work.  In theb@ > old days of netproxy.dat it was a simple matter to put a proxy> > record in authorize, maybe do a mc ncp set known prox all toC > reset the DECnet db, and check for old netserver network links toG= > make sure the request wasn't being satisfied by an existinguC > process.  Without the explicit username/password in the command I0 > get the fal$server directory.n > < > Now with net$proxy.dat which authorize uses, but DECnet IV? > doesn't seem to, I have an entry for *::myusername myusername < > (D).  This used to be enough so that any node could access@ > myusername as long as the originating username was myusername. >v? > Do I have to add a record to the old proxy to make this work? C > I've probably forgotten something important, but then again, if Ia@ > remembered it you wouldn't be seeing this post, right?  As you; > can probably guess, it's been a long time since I've done1 > something like this.     hi!i   $set def sys$systemv
 $mc authorizee6   add/proxy remotenode::remoteuser localuser / default  E should still do the trick (at least that's what it does on my system)oI you must not forget the /default, otherwise you would have to include theh< username (remotenode"user"::) without password to get there.   regards    Ren   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:40:07 -0500l2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: VMS 7.3, DECnet IV, proxy accesssK Message-ID: <rdeininger-1402020740070001@1cust110.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>h  3 In article <quYEeCt$bHdw@eisner.encompasserve.org>, , kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) wrote:  ! >Alpha VMS V7.3, DECnet Phase IV.m >sA >I've been scratching my head about this one, and haven't figureda> >out what I'm doing wrong.  I'm trying to set up proxies on my, >home machines so that if on nodeb I type... >  >$ dir nodea::disk:[dir] h >i@ >without the username and password string, it will work.  In the@ >old days of netproxy.dat it was a simple matter to put a proxy = >record in authorize, maybe do a mc ncp set known prox all torB >reset the DECnet db, and check for old netserver network links to< >make sure the request wasn't being satisfied by an existingB >process.  Without the explicit username/password in the command I  >get the fal$server directory.   >l; >Now with net$proxy.dat which authorize uses, but DECnet IVe> >doesn't seem to, I have an entry for *::myusername myusername; >(D).  This used to be enough so that any node could accesse? >myusername as long as the originating username was myusername.E  8 Authorize maintains both netproxy.dat and net$proxy.dat.   UAF> SHOW/PROXY/OLD.H will show you the stuff in netproxy.dat.  Occasionally the two files get de-synchronized.  G And a server process needs to be running, or proxies won't work.  Is it I the audit server, or the security server.  I'm always getting those mixed  up...    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Feb 2002 00:21:31 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: VMS Spokesperson Nominee For Ad Campaignt0 Message-ID: <87d6z8owz8.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  = "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:f  D > >I remember one from several years ago for a petrol company, whichF > >showed a typical fairground carousel of horses and one came to life! > >and ran off into the distance.n  i; > I think you were just watching a rerun of "Mary Poppins".c  F I can remember swearing at that ad during F1 telecasts. Shell I think.   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:28:33 GMTb! From: pkukla@simon.felinet.org ()t. Subject: Re: VMS users group in Columbus Ohio?> Message-ID: <RARa8.41078$s43.14264906@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>  = Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have found the new Presidento) of the Central Ohio VMS Users Group!  :-)2    / In article <u6jlutgcj3b87e@news.supernews.com>, $ John Vottero <John@mvpsi.com> wrote:; >I've never heard of one.  Would meetings involve beer? :~)t >a >t3 >"Peter Kukla" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in messageh9 >news:NDZ98.37632$s43.11843059@typhoon.columbus.rr.com...c: >> I've been looking around, but haven't been able to find8 >> anything resembling a VMS user's group in the Central= >> Ohio area.  Does anybody know whether such a thing exists?i >> >> >> Thanks... >>	 >> -petere >e >h   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Feb 2002 00:53:30 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)mY Subject: Re: What happens to the VMS Port if Intel drops Itanium in favor of another chips3 Message-ID: <CyHBPqqqOqGI@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  ` In article <lxHa8.49925$fK1.4138532@rwcrnsc54>, "Duane Sand" <Duane.Sand@mindspring.com> writes:" > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:   >>C >> If it could support NSK and VMS then AMD's Hammer would probablycL >> be the best choice from HP/Compaq's point of view - No political problemsK >> such as might arise from renewed development of Alpha and they can stilloO >> pursue their idea of standardising all their systems on one chip. Though how J >> well AMD's Hammer will work in high end systems competing against Power >> is open to question.P > I > Hammer is little-endian only, and so would not support NSK even if thataH > chip did get the lock-step circuits that no volume AMD customer needs.O > If Yamhill is merely a Hammer clone, then it is similarly little-endian only.  >   B 	Shame isn't it?  NSK is the wildcard in all this.  Couple billion> 	a year and some VERY serious customers, the kind that if you ? 	angered them , you may very well be out of business 5-10 years  	out.   = 	NSK stay on MIPS?  Sheesh... in a year or so , the number oflA 	R14000 , R16000 chips shipping will be a spit in the ocean.  I'dm@ 	be very concerned if they didn't get off in the next 2-4 years,= 	that processor could vanish in that timeframe.  Look at SGI:i  $ http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=sgi&d=c  > 	It has climbed to $3, it was 50 cents a share 5 months ago...B 	couldn't tell you the last profitable quarter.  If SGI goes away,' 	R14000 customer base goes way down....m  0 	NSK can't lurch in another processor direction.  3 	Their are a lot of major committments to IA64/IPF.)     				Robn   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:38:04 GMT4* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>Y Subject: Re: What happens to the VMS Port if Intel drops Itanium in favor of another chipuA Message-ID: <0ALa8.26441$d34.1664501@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>n  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:CyHBPqqqOqGI@eisner.encompasserve.org...-   ...-  C > Shame isn't it?  NSK is the wildcard in all this.  Couple billionn> > a year and some VERY serious customers, the kind that if you@ > angered them , you may very well be out of business 5-10 years > out.  K The question today seems to be whether Compaq (or HP if they merge) will begK in business a couple of years from now, so NSK is likely the least of their L worries:  its customers will continue to shell out cash as long as there areK systems for them to buy, and obviously place function and availability even I farther ahead of performance and price/performance than VMS customers do.y   > > > NSK stay on MIPS?  Sheesh... in a year or so , the number ofB > R14000 , R16000 chips shipping will be a spit in the ocean.  I'dA > be very concerned if they didn't get off in the next 2-4 years, 0 > that processor could vanish in that timeframe.  J Plenty of time to arrange to buy the masks and get someone else to fab it.F A lot of NSK customers would probably prefer to stick with the currentH hardware than run the risks of a migration to a newly-developed platform anyway.D  J Don't expect NSK to keep Itanic afloat:  only volume will do that, and NSK/ doesn't have any (at least by Intel standards).@   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:19:31 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>uY Subject: Re: What happens to the VMS Port if Intel drops Itanium in favor of another chipe8 Message-ID: <5u2n6ugl7ba2noj86vi88pdo7sd72imgq4@4ax.com>  F On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:41:06 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:    K >Hammer could be the wild card that changes everything:  EV7-quality systemxM >architecture with a high-performance but 'industry-standard' heart.  Give it-J >a couple of enterprise-quality operating systems and who knows what mightK >happen?  IIRC its MP linkage appears to be designed to handle only up to 8   F It will be interesting to see if the speculation Sun will launch a SunE supported Linux-64 for Hammer to replace Solaris/IA32 turns out to bemD true.  If the new desktop boxes Sun intends bringing to market laterB this year are indeed X86-64 then Hammer has a big boost at launch.C Reports are circulating that Clawhammer  chips are now with variousr= mobo manufacturers and will be launched  at 3.4Ghz Pentium IVnD performance.(3400+ in AMD terms) Clawhammer is supposedly 30% faster( than an Athlon XP at the same frequency.  L >processor packages, but with dual cores in each that certainly includes theL >sweet spot for MP as long as one finds effective ways to use such groupings >in larger configurations. >sM >Of course, AMD could screw it up somehow, which makes committing to it scaryoK >(though not as scary as committing to Itanic is starting to look).  But ifeM >they do even a half-decent job it could dominate everything but the high end C >(and with some good system engineering might handle that as well).f >e" >>    c) Investigate IBM's Power 4 >oM >That's a lot harder to imagine, given that IBM is a direct competitor:  *if*sF >their owners feel that neither PA-RISC nor Alpha still has reasonable1 >potential, Hammer seems the obvious alternative.- >- >- bill- >- >-   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:56:00 +0100r$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>6 Subject: Re: What is the best NFS package for OpenVMS?. Message-ID: <%mPa8.19$YS1.86@news.cpqcorp.net>  - "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in2 > TCPware for VMS ...   ? May be, but unless you give real data, I will  not believe you.sB Anyway Tcpip V5.1 eco 3, and to come soon Tcpip 5.3 is quite good.  E As you often say Purveyor is the best Web server for Vms, and as I amaA convinced that Wasd is better (and free, and with a great doc)...nL Have you read the document cited in the message of  Jean-Francois Pironne ?   Regardsr   Grard   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:18:00 +0000 (UTC)s" From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of      D5 Message-ID: <3cb7c302.482581799@news.btopenworld.com>t  F On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:07:46 +0100, Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>	 sprachen:h  H >understanding Hochdeutsch, because their parents speak "sloppy German".G >Temporal forms are reduced to present and past perfect, other temporal-D >forms use explicit timing or explicit conditions (i.e. south German( >starts to become a Chinese dialect ;-).  ; Yup, it's nice how Chinese has such short words to describe C everything, but it's crucial that you use the right intonation, and B even pitch, or the word will mean something totally different. You( have to sing Chinese to even make sense.  B I know the Danish also sing their language, but I don't think it's critical that they do.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)A   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:17:58 +0000 (UTC)l" From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comr5 Message-ID: <3cb3c118.482091739@news.btopenworld.com>'  C On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:20:40 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e	 sprachen:   G >I certainly recall we spent a little time on Plattdeutsch (Low German)eA >at secondary (high school) in Scotland and that was just the "O"eA >ordinary grade not the "H" higher grade follow on class.I'd haveqD >thought most German language courses would have at least touched on >it.  F We didn't, in the late 80s and early 90s, but we didn't do any historyE of any languages, including our own really. It was just modern Frenchs and modern German.  D Still it's interesting to know those 2 languages (being English), asE well as the nominal Greek and Latin you learn from reading scientificoD and medical articles. It lets you have a good guess at why words areD like they are, which language bits of English grammar came from, and/ what things mean in my own and other languages.E  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)s   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:17:59 +0000 (UTC)e" From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com 5 Message-ID: <3cb6c295.482472524@news.btopenworld.com>e  < On 13 Feb 2002 16:50:05 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) sprachen:   " >My high school taught german fromE >a book that only showed writting int he form of 100 year old script.d  F Oh yeah, my Grandmother used to be able to (or still can) read the oldB German alphabet. It's sort-of perverted Latin alphabet really. TheF B-looking thing for "ss" is just an old German S (drawn like a leaningE straight line going down and up), and the Z, which looks like a 3, askA is still used by some Z-writers today. Yup it's just sz together.   C Interestingly, the German government recently outlawed teaching thedD old letters in schools, including /3 or B or whatever. They now haveE to use ss, and I think they're cutting down some of the other lettersh, too, including accents and vowel diphthongs.  E My great-uncle's wife (he and her are only about 40) was a bit bummedwB out about it, apparently a lot of Deutschlanders are, because it's@ selling out their culture, maybe with the idea of making it more	 American.e  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:07:46 +0100t( From: Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqt& Message-ID: <3C6B8C72.71C57EDC@gmx.de>   Bill Gunshannon schrieb:G > |> In any case typing in Plattdeutsch to a search engine will pull upo. > |> loads of hits - most in German of course. > H > But I think most of the dialectic differences are in pronunciation, so4 > written examples probably don't provide much help.  B Plattdeutsch and Hochdeutsch are more two different languages thanH different dialects. Plattdeutsch is much closer to Dutsch and Dansk thanE to Hochdeutsch - I recommend learning either of those languages, then H you won't have much trouble understanding Platt. There's some linguisticG difficulty here: Hochdeutsch originates from a south German dialect 5003G years ago (the Luther bible is written in that language, and many northtA Germans are protestants), but south German dialects changed againdH afterwards. North Germans adapted that (old) dialect to speak with southE Germans, but they speak it - more or less - with a Platt accent. I.e. G the vocals are not as pronounced in south Germany, but as in the North.e  H There's currently a third shift in south Germany, but this time it's notC pronounciation, but grammar. Childrens reportedly have difficultiesaG understanding Hochdeutsch, because their parents speak "sloppy German".hF Temporal forms are reduced to present and past perfect, other temporalC forms use explicit timing or explicit conditions (i.e. south German ' starts to become a Chinese dialect ;-).    -- . Bernd Paysan7 "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"a http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:57:28 +0100,E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqm+ Message-ID: <3C6BEC78.935642E6@mediasec.de>o  E > Interestingly, the German government recently outlawed teaching themF > old letters in schools, including /3 or B or whatever. They now haveG > to use ss, and I think they're cutting down some of the other lettersc. > too, including accents and vowel diphthongs.  K Nonsense. In the case of the orthography reform, people actually complainedlL that the  _wasn't_ completely removed (as is the case in Swiss German), butH kept in certain cases. And there are no accented letters in German, onlyH umlauts (), and none of them can go away without majorly changing the	 language.    	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:07:44 GMT0' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>rY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaq2) Message-ID: <3C6BEB48.DBEBC329@yahoo.com>t  # greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:n > > > On 13 Feb 2002 16:50:05 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill > Gunshannon) sprachen:h > $ > >My high school taught german fromG > >a book that only showed writting int he form of 100 year old script.r > H > Oh yeah, my Grandmother used to be able to (or still can) read the oldD > German alphabet. It's sort-of perverted Latin alphabet really. TheH > B-looking thing for "ss" is just an old German S (drawn like a leaningG > straight line going down and up), and the Z, which looks like a 3, asrC > is still used by some Z-writers today. Yup it's just sz together.   = Which is why I dropped German in college many years ago.  Thes alphabet did me in.o   -- e@ Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. =    (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified)n0    mailto:uce@ftc.gov  (for spambots to harvest)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:53:21 -0500 1 From: "Ernest Cline" <ernestcline@mindspring.com>x( Subject: Re: [off-topic] eighty et al...2 Message-ID: <a4gr6k$jti$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>  8 "Peter Finderup Lund" <firefly@diku.dk> wrote in message= news:Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0202122143360.2022-100000@ask.diku.dk... % > The real question is why mainstreamrJ > French acquired their silly quatrevingt and counting without carry (96 =
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