0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 18 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 95      Contents: Re: "Crashless Windows"  Re: "Crashless Windows"  Re: "Crashless Windows"  Re: Couple of Questions 5 Re: DCL Minute of the St Valentine's Day: DCL_ANALYST 5 Re: DCL Minute of the St Valentine's Day: DCL_ANALYST $ Re: Decamds and Availability manager FW: network ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies? ? Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?  Re: Itanium troubles mail problem Re: mail problem Re: mail problem Re: mail problem Re: mail problem Re: mail problem  Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS Re: Mount disk at startup? Re: Mount disk at startup? Re: Mount disk at startup? network  Re: network  Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1 Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1N Re: OT: XP Kernel Improvements Create a More Robust, Powerful, and	Scalable OS8 Please read. Investment opportunity.                SCCG Re: PPP for TCPIP on VAX ? Problem with DEC C Re: Problem with DEC C Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ  Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ  Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ  Re: Question about Group ID " VMS 7.2 hobbist + mop? remote bootP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaq  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:20:34 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: "Crashless Windows"K Message-ID: <rdeininger-1702021520340001@1cust104.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   ; In article <3C6DDC29.52674F54@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:    C >As to pollution, e-mail me privately (anyone!) and I'll share some F >long-lost research (*NOT* mine! let me make that unmistakably clear!)C >with you. It's possible today, and it's been possible for going on G >twenty(20) years - without tons of batteries and without combustion of H >any kind. One of the necessary elements is radioactive (deuterium), the >other (gallium) is not.  5 Deuterium is not radioactive.  Not even a little bit.   I I would be interested in your long-lost research.  Especially if you know J of inexpensive sources of deuterium and gallium, which are quite expensive# compared to lead and sulfuric acid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:57:16 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: "Crashless Windows"' Message-ID: <3C706EE3.E2B87A5C@fsi.net>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > = > In article <3C6DDC29.52674F54@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > E > >As to pollution, e-mail me privately (anyone!) and I'll share some H > >long-lost research (*NOT* mine! let me make that unmistakably clear!)E > >with you. It's possible today, and it's been possible for going on I > >twenty(20) years - without tons of batteries and without combustion of J > >any kind. One of the necessary elements is radioactive (deuterium), the > >other (gallium) is not. > 7 > Deuterium is not radioactive.  Not even a little bit.   ; Well - I'll be - maybe that means no NRC approval. Hhmmm...   K > I would be interested in your long-lost research.  Especially if you know L > of inexpensive sources of deuterium and gallium, which are quite expensive% > compared to lead and sulfuric acid.   H Problem with lead and sulfuric acid is that you need large quantities of both.   E The reaction in question here does not "consume" the reagents, in the H sense that they are not rapidly destroyed or converted to other forms or6 substances, they are not required in large quantities.  B I first saw this info. in the Elgin (Illinois) Daily Courier News,F circa. 1983/84. A brief write-up also appeared in a similar time frameF in the Chicago Sun Times. As the 'Times reported it, it was discoveredD by a fellow by the name of Rory Johnson, formerly of GE, an engineerC holding a multitude of patents. Allegedly, he discovered the effect C quite by accident, similar to the way another fellow discovered the F effect in use in the "magnetron tube", the "heart" of what we now callD the microwave oven. He developed a process to harness and excite theD effect such that a motor similar to that found in a typical electricE fork lift truck could be coupled to a modified automatic transmission A producing torque roughly equivalent to a normally aspirated 490ci E (roughy 7 litre) engine. The entire power plant weighed somewhat more D than what today would be a 3.8 litre engine (circa. 250ci or so) andG easily fit under the hood what was then a full size car. The story said H that relatively small quantities of both reagents - less than a kilogramE of each - would last the equivalent of 10,000 miles. The story didn't G say if that allowed for powering headlights, air conditioning, electric % heat or other high-power accessories.   > The man and news of his invention dropped out of sight shortly" thereafter. Speculate as you will.  H I've never looked into how Gallium is obtained, I just know it becomes aD liquid similar in appearance to mercury well below body temperature.8 Early production transistors used Gallium and Germanium.  H I'm told that Deuterium is readily available from sea water. Not being a* chemist, I am unfamiliar with the process.  F That's the extent of what I know. If that's enough for anyone to go onF to try and find what happened to all this, I extend my best wishes for success.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:37:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>   Subject: Re: "Crashless Windows", Message-ID: <3C70770E.93EA7BC3@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > I'm told that Deuterium is readily available from sea water. Not being a, > chemist, I am unfamiliar with the process.  N Is deurerium "heavy water" ? If so, there is a plant that produces/produced itG about 150km east of Montteal at Bcancour (next to Qubec's token Candu M nuclear plant which uses heavy water to control uranium reaction. Not sure if & the plant is still operational though.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:02:44 GMT # From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>   Subject: Re: Couple of Questions- Message-ID: <3C7052B0.EEE9EEDE@earthlink.net>    William Barnett-Lewis wrote: >  > Hello all,H > I recently got my hands on a copy of the June 1997 SPL for VMS 7.1 and) > was wondering about a couple of things:  > ) > 1) Will Posix 3.0 work on a 7.2 system? > > 2) Does it require a separate PAK from the operating system?2 > 3) Is is still possible to get a PAK for SoftPC?/ > 4) Is there a spread sheet available for VMS?   4 Don't know about #1, if #1 is true then #2 is false.  > DECalc (or is/was it DECcalc) was once available.  It required< a license so a scan of the hobbyist layered product licenses might turn it up.    -- Aaron Sliwinski ualski@earthlink.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:26:58 +0100 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr>> Subject: Re: DCL Minute of the St Valentine's Day: DCL_ANALYST& Message-ID: <3C701213.3E541658@gmx.fr>   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > - > Is it reporting an error when it shouldn't?  >  > $ type test.com  > $       NEWMAIL_TIME =; > "''F$FAO("!2(XL)",F$CVUI(32,32,LINE),F$CVUI(0,32,LINE))'"  > $ set verify	 > $ @test + > $       NEWMAIL_TIME = "6A666F6965776A66"  > $ set noverify8 > $ pipe @ DCL_ANALYST.COM test.com |sea sys$input error9 > *** ERROR line 1 - Unclosed substitution within string.   N Yes it did. I have rewritten the single quote and double quote check which was really too bugged.  J The new version (to come soon) has also a MAP builder which gives the lineN numbers where the symbols are used with flag L, G, and A for Local, Global and8 Assignment (recieves a value) following the line number.   Stay tuned.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:32:30 +0100 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.fr>> Subject: Re: DCL Minute of the St Valentine's Day: DCL_ANALYST& Message-ID: <3C70135F.B473EA71@gmx.fr>   Oswald Knoppers wrote: >  > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > J > > More feedback: just tried it on a real 32562-line file (which seems to > > work as designed) and got  > > G > > %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols  > > 4 > > So perhaps there is some limit on the file size? > 3 > You might try raising sysgen parameter CLISYMTBL.   N Correct. This is a known limitation of the "read that file in memory, will ya"7 architecture. And this is also why I DCL_DIET it first.   K I asked for an extention of the 1024 limit in here last year and got a nice N answer with the location to patch VMS to set any higher value than 1024, but IA left the mail in the PC I had at my previous Customer's location.   F If the generous contributor could repost it here, please? Many thanks,   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:16:44 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> - Subject: Re: Decamds and Availability manager ? Message-ID: <gZVb8.162030$Gb1.22565321@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>   G In fairness to Compaq support, after the last crash, Compaq said it was H definitely an AMDS problem.  We have since installed the update, and ourK crashes seem to have stopped.  Had we installed the update immediately upon K their recommendation we would have fewer crashes.  But, it is very hard for C us to schedule system downtime for a fix that will "probably" work.   > "Steve Reece" <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> wrote in message0 news:3C6FE2E1.700BE9ED@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk... > Carl, F > Your comments are spookily similar to comments that I made to CompaqI > here in the UK a few years back with a problem related to DCPS v1.3 (or  > 1.4) and UCX v4.1. > E > The response I got was that the CSC do not look deep into the crash H > dumps unless there is diagnosis required for something like a hardwareG > problem.  For crashes that are in the database as known footprints or B > very similar to known footprints there will be little crash dumpD > analysis carried out over and above that required to determine the > footprint. > F > In other words, if it looks like something that they've already seenG > then the dump gets forgotten and the existing solution recommendation F > gets recommended to the customer.  If the customer says "NO!  I wantI > more information!" then the answer is "that is up to you sir, but we've   > given you a solution so JFDI". >  > Steve. >  > Carl Karcher wrote:  > > ? > > In a previous article, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote:  > > ->K > > ->Our GS140 w VMS 7.2-1 began crashing daily after we installed a batch  ofF > > ->important Fibre Channel related ECOs.  Compaq support said it is probablyI > > ->DECAMDS and that installing the new DECAMDS  **and/or**   AVAIL_MAN  kits > > ->should fix the problem.  > > K > > "Probably DECAMDS?" If they said this after actually looking at a valid J > > crash dump then that's not acceptable. They should be able to tell you? > > exactly why the system crashed (that's been my experience).  > > C > > Granted, you should have the latest AMDS073B kit as others have  > > recommended. > > K > > -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 4 > > --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu >  > --I > "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like G > a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. C > Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % > Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:08:36 +1200 & From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> Subject: FW: networkG Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155B7@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ>    Problem # 1  This is what I got ; atb4"mc ncp  NCP>sh obj mail char      : Object Volatile Characteristics as of 18-FEB-2002 13:33:55
 Object = MAIL  Number                   = 27 * File id                  = MAIL_SERVER.EXE& User id                  = MAIL$SERVER# Password                 = HINEUNTS # Proxy access             = outgoing " Alias outgoing           = Enabled" Alias incoming           = Enabled  * I checked operator.log file, nothing in it Problem # 2 J any user who wants to change his/her password will get this error message. "invalid access mode"  Problem # 3 L I can ping node1 using ip or name.. but I cannot ping node2 using node name. node1 & node2 - member cluster     -----Original Message-----5 From:	JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  ( Sent:	Monday, February 18, 2002 12:53 PM To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject:	Re: network   A Bonaveidogo wrote:
 > MAIL> REPLY  > To:	NODE2::user = > %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node  NODE2 > > -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node  1 On node2, you should be able to do the following:  $MC NCP  NCP> SHOW OBJECT MAIL CHAR  ! file_id should be mail_server.exe  User ID should be MAIL$SERVER  Some random password Proxy Access: outgoing Alias outgoing: enabled   E On NODE2, you should look at the sys$manager:operator.log to see what L happens when you try to send an email. It should report some failed nbetworkL login attemps and tell you what username was being used to try to create the process.H > Can't change password on Node2. Error message is "Invalid Access Node"  K Not sure what you mean. What password are you trying to change, and how are  you trying to change it ?   B > I can ping the address of node2 but I cannot ping the node name.  H Using what utility are you trying to ping it ? Ping is not decnet, it isK TCPIP (so it is a separate problem from the MAIL problem).  This means that K node1 does not have access to a DNS database/server where node2 is defined.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:46:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?/ Message-ID: <4hXb8.4051$5L.1079@news1.bloor.is>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3C6FEBD7.34B52F6@videotron.ca...  > J > Now, if HP is smart enough, it will dump 100% of Compaq's marketing dept and D > agencies to ensure that the disease doesn't get transmitted to HP. >   L Problem is that they'll probably dump VMS in the process, unless they rename
 it to VMS/UX.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:01:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?, Message-ID: <3C705268.6ACC9CEF@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote: N > Problem is that they'll probably dump VMS in the process, unless they rename > it to VMS/UX.   L VMS engineers are confident that their jobs and projects are safe. Hence ourM worries based on all the signals we get from the Carly/Curly/Winkler speeches ( are wrong. We need not worry about VMS.   N Besides, this is like on a plane that had run out of fuel in the middle of theD ocean. Even though it might get very ugly at the end (and the end isK inevitable), you might as well enjoy the last 30-40 minutes of a very quiet O flight. Pointless to worry about something you have absolutely no control over.   K When the plane does hit the water, then do brace yourself and deal with the  crisis at that moment.  H The flight attendants (VMS engineers) have told us not to worry and thatM everything is fine even though we strongly suspect that the silence is caused M by the engines being out. And unless the engineers (flight attendants) ask us ' to help, pointless to get in their way.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2002 20:53:14 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)oH Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?3 Message-ID: <noZj1EtnsmC$@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <VA.0000053c.4106e3e0@bluewin.delete.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> writes:F > In article <LMEKq+LifbvC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Rob Young wrote: >  > [snip] >> q; >>  You should not break out each and every division withino@ >>  a company or your competition knows just how strong you are,B >>  what your growth is year to year allowing them to adjust their@ >>  strategy.  It is not uncommon in this industry and others toF >>  put out false information in the hopes your competitors will spend< >>  resources (in the end money) on wrong ideas, directions. >> aF > Oh boy you've got me a-wishing that VMS is the ace up the sleeve :-) >   = 	And yet, with that said above.... we do know VMS's size now.l  2 	Because of Gartner, we know now how large VMS is.E 	411,000 licenses and $2 billion per year in service revenues.  PriornF 	to that, there were hints it was large, but not exact numbers.  ThoseB 	numbers came to light because Gartner *obviously* chose to ignore/ 	them or marginalize them as mentioned earlier:a    L Gartner assessment: "according to Compaq's records, [OpenVMS installed base]G stands at 400,000 systems although we believe active production systemsrH could be 30 percent to 40 percent lower, with a large-enough maintenanceL revenue stream (estimated at more than $1 billion annually) that is too high
 to ignore.  A 	Gartner claims Compaq has 400K systems and $1 billion in servicee	 	revenue.e  I Compaq response:  We corrected the 400,000 to 411,000, and the $1 billion-K estimated maintenance revenue stream to $2 billion.  Neither correction wasrK incorporated in the final report.  Additionally, we added government/publicdG sector to the list of mission-critical environments, which also was not.K included.  The source of the comment about the active production systems ise5 unknown and we strongly disagree with the assessment.l  = 	Compaq claims they told them 411K and $2 billion in revenue.   A 	Gartner is clearly guilty of downplaying the revenue.  Note thatoB 	Compaq provided them the figures.  By raising this as a rebuttal,? 	Compaq is demonstrating that Gartner is playing fast and loosenA 	with figures.  Gartner *clearly* dissed the $2 billion figure byo8 	tossing "estimated at more than $1 billion annually".    9 	Also, Gartner isn't sourcing anything.  They claim that lH 	"active systems" are 30-40% lower than the 411K figure and yet nowhere A 	do they substantiate that claim.  Rumour mongering?  Surely not!u   ---d  B 	Garter (Freudian slip, Garter is a snake...) to build a case, hasE 	to ignore facts presented to them.  Ignore in the case of $2 billion:C 	and downplay the license numbers.  Of course, their piece wouldn'teC 	read as well if they had to stick to the facts or accept the factsD 	as presented.   				 Rob   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:34:04 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?, Message-ID: <3C707627.EBE091D8@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:; >         Because of Gartner, we know now how large VMS is. H >         411,000 licenses and $2 billion per year in service revenues.     N But Compaq did not reply to Gartner's point that a certain percentage of those licences are inactive. m  M When Digital was busy litterally shredding Microvax II boards to prevent themgN from getting into ennemy hands (third party resellers), was it also wiping outN the associated licences ? When customers left Digital in droves to propell SunM as the number 1 serious midrange computer vendor, did Digital actually deletehN the licenses of those customers whoser only message to Digital was "no need to renew service contract" ?l  K Hey, it is great for Compaq to secretly claim 411,000 licenses for VMS (whynM won't it say so publicly on CNN or during financial analyst presentations ?),iN but you and I know that this number, unless qualified, is totally meaningless.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:23:15 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?8 Message-ID: <Tk%b8.2994$ro5.509821@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>  7 "Jose Arroyo" <jose.arroyo@pandora.be> wrote in messagee6 news:dc4879f.0202150830.45263cb0@posting.google.com...5 > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in messaget9 news:<d7791aa1.0202132026.4857ccd9@posting.google.com>...rL > > I have been trying to get Compaq to answer this question, along w/HP ...L > > Capellas, Marcellas have been quiet, as has Carly ... how irresponsible!I > > They don't even respond to a serious question posed about where their H > > best os customer base goes if itanic dies ... do they restart alpha? doesH > > intel just develop alpha and forget itanic (this would make the most sense)? I > > We need answers to plan for the future Compaq!  Were is Sue or Terry?f- > > No one is providing info or answers here!l  I Since I don't work for CPQ I can't really answer the question. Nor will IhJ try, and make a fool out of myself. After all, Gartner does a great job of that.t  L The folks who would know would be the folks in VMS Downstream Marketing. Try contacting them!   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:25:55 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?8 Message-ID: <nn%b8.3012$ro5.511049@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in messageh; news:20020216114359.T3512-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu...i& > On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, JF Mezei wrote: >  > > J > > We have to wait a few months to find out what HP really intends to do. So far, F > > it is a state of limbo until the new owners of Compaq make a clear
 statement. > >  >eH > Is it just me, or do others find the tone of messages here pointing atJ > the HP/COMPAQ buyout as a done deal??  I find this interesting as I seemH > to recall someone posting rules that make it very unlikely to succeed.  > It is increasingly seeming to be more likely than less likely.   >r > Correct me if I'm wrong, but:m( >    HP needs more than 66% "yes" votes.I >    The "H" and "P" families control 18% that is definitely voting "no".o( >    All unvoted stock counts as a "no".  I A and B are true, but it's CPQ stick, where a no-vote means no. Unless ofi9 course I am wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time! ;-}    > G > Based on this simple bit of info, it merely takes 15% of the stock tojJ > remain unvoted for the deal to fall.  I would imagine there is that muchG > in the hands of little old ladies who wouldn't know a proxy if it bita them.aH > And surely the "H" and "P" families have enough influence in among theJ > people who are likely to be holding more than single shares to garner at) > least a few more percent to their side.s >?@ > Do people here really think this deal is going to go through??  K I don't know, but I hope it does. There's been disruption a-plenty already, : and a failed merger might well screw the proverbial pooch.   > H > (For the record, I don't think it has a snowball's chance in hell, but then, 1 > if I was anygood at this I'ld be rich, right??)k   Wouldn't we all!   terry s-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:27:09 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>H Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?8 Message-ID: <xo%b8.3021$ro5.512079@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message) news:4hXb8.4051$5L.1079@news1.bloor.is...I >,< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message' > news:3C6FEBD7.34B52F6@videotron.ca...  > > L > > Now, if HP is smart enough, it will dump 100% of Compaq's marketing dept > andiF > > agencies to ensure that the disease doesn't get transmitted to HP. > >t >sG > Problem is that they'll probably dump VMS in the process, unless theye rename > it to VMS/UX.h >a  K They dump VMS, game is over, Gates and Grove win. And the final issue of my . newsletter will be called Shannon Knew Compaq.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:22:44 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eH Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?, Message-ID: <3C708F99.440DAE19@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:7M > I don't know, but I hope it does. There's been disruption a-plenty already, < > and a failed merger might well screw the proverbial pooch.  C But the proverbial pooch ceases to exist under the HP plan anyways.M  J A failed merger only prolongs the pain and suffering, but it might allow a. buyer more interested in VMS to come forwards.  M If the HP shareholders approve the mistake, could the FTC still force changesmN to the HP taking over of the sick puppy ? Could it force, for instance, CompaqM to divest itself from VMS, Tru64 , Tandem and Alpha ? Or would such a requeste7 have to come prior to shareholders approving the deal ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:23:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>fH Subject: Re: Hello Compaq!  What happens to us VMS users if Itanic dies?, Message-ID: <3C708FE1.42C2E91B@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:   M > They dump VMS, game is over, Gates and Grove win. And the final issue of mye0 > newsletter will be called Shannon Knew Compaq.  H Haven't you begun to change it to Shannon Knows HP ? (SKHP...) How ahout
 HP-Matco ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:28:36 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 8 Message-ID: <Up%b8.3032$ro5.512988@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C1B80B.AB9C1AD0e Content-Type: text/plain;. 	charset="iso-8859-1"m+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableo    ;   "Jose Arroyo" <jose.arroyo@pandora.be> wrote in message =m$ news:3C6D8AE1.60B59088@pandora.be...2   Bob, as you said it, they don't get it (yet).=20D   Sometimes one has to hit hard a wall before changing direction.=202   This is exactly what most likely will happen.=20H   And when one hits hard a wall one will become aware of precious time = lost.=20D   Maybe it is time that some people burn their fingers (figurative = speaking ofcourse) :-)=20l    =20   Bob Ceculski wrote:=20  >     JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message =+ news:<3C643902.20BD2144@videotron.ca>...=20eH     > Interesting that Alpha was seen as DEC's saviour.  The chip that = would propell=20     > DEC back to the front.=20e     >=20G     > But for IA64, there is no such predictions. Intel is already at =  the front and=20+     > may in fact hurt itself with IA64.=20   I     I would withhold comment on this until 2H02 when McKinley shows up. =p* If McKinley craters, all IPF bets are off.  + ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C1B80B.AB9C1AD0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printables  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =x charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3DGENERATOR>i <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>u <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20C style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = 3 BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">    <DIV>"Jose Arroyo" &lt;<A=20I   href=3D"mailto:jose.arroyo@pandora.be">jose.arroyo@pandora.be</A>&gt; =a wrote in=20.   message <A=20-   =AJ href=3D"news:3C6D8AE1.60B59088@pandora.be">news:3C6D8AE1.60B59088@pandora= .be</A>...</DIV>Bob,=20dH   as you said it, they don't get it (yet). <BR><I>Sometimes one has to = hit hard=20 G   a wall before changing direction.</I> <BR>This is exactly what most =-	 likely=20-E   will happen. <BR><I>And when one hits hard a wall one will become =a aware of=20aI   precious time lost.</I> <BR><I>Maybe it is time that some people burn =F their=20>   fingers (figurative speaking ofcourse) :-)</I> <BR>&nbsp;=20   <P>Bob Ceculski wrote:=20h   <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">J     <DIV>JF Mezei &lt;jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca&gt; wrote in message=20I     news:&lt;3C643902.20BD2144@videotron.ca&gt;... <BR>&gt; Interesting =  that=20MH     Alpha was seen as DEC's saviour.&nbsp; The chip that would propell = <BR>&gt;=20 H     DEC back to the front. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; But for IA64, there is no = such=20 I     predictions. Intel is already at the front and <BR>&gt; may in fact =e hurt=20p     itself with IA64. </DIV>     <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> G     <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would withhold comment on this =n
 until 2H02=20oD     when McKinley shows up. If McKinley craters, all IPF bets are=20=     off.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>t  - ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C1B80B.AB9C1AD0--X   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:51:40 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>N Subject: mail problemr9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEJHECAA.tom@kednos.com>t  I running SMTP under tcpip 5.1 under 7.3 and set up user account named janeg@ when I send a message I get an error in the kicked nback message  + %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user JANEoB -MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening USER$:[JANE.MAIL]MAIL.MAI as output' -SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device namem  G Now the account is setup under disk$usr:[user.jane]  but it is apparent E then USR$ needs to be defined soem where.  Where should this be done?rC In the mount commands at startup?  I thought that I had set this ups	 correctlydK but a recent power outage caused me to have to restart.  This server was ons arI UPS as was the Cisco router, and stayed up but the pop client didn't so I  don'tgF uderstand why when i rebooted the  POP client (W2k) things didn't work* as expected, but also had to restart tcpip   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:27:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: mail problem , Message-ID: <3C7066A0.CAC80808@videotron.ca>   Tom Linden wrote:1- > %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user JANE@D > -MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening USER$:[JANE.MAIL]MAIL.MAI as output) > -SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name$  I > Now the account is setup under disk$usr:[user.jane]  but it is apparentn+ > then USR$ needs to be defined soem where..  M Is the SYSUAF record for JANE really pointing to disk$usr:[user.jane] ? or tot USER$:[JANE] ?    N What the error message is telling you is that USER$ not a valid device and not a valid logical name.M  < I assume it is probably meant to equate to disk$usr:[user.]   K One possibility is that JANE defined her mail  file to be in a subdirectoryil [.MAIL] and when she did so, she used "USER$". This information is stored in SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:29:38 GMTeL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: mail problem 8 Message-ID: <00A09B71.E7509B92@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <3C7066A0.CAC80808@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Tom Linden wrote:. >> %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user JANEE >> -MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening USER$:[JANE.MAIL]MAIL.MAI as outputh* >> -SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name >vJ >> Now the account is setup under disk$usr:[user.jane]  but it is apparent, >> then USR$ needs to be defined soem where. > N >Is the SYSUAF record for JANE really pointing to disk$usr:[user.jane] ? or to >USER$:[JANE] ?l >t >hO >What the error message is telling you is that USER$ not a valid device and notn >a valid logical name. >t= >I assume it is probably meant to equate to disk$usr:[user.] s  3 Probably what Tom is missing is the execution of a n  < $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC/TRANS=CONCEALED USER$  DISK$USR:[USER.]  2 which wouldn't automatically happen at disk mount.  8 But it's also possible that DISK$USR didn't get mounted.  N > >One possibility is that JANE defined her mail  file to be in a subdirectoryM >[.MAIL] and when she did so, she used "USER$". This information is stored in0! > SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATAP  N I don't think MAIL lets you store it in any subdirectory but a subdirectory of
 SYS$LOGIN.   -- Alano  O ===============================================================================i0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056mM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:43:00 -0500v- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l Subject: Re: mail problemi, Message-ID: <3C70783E.622F0CD9@videotron.ca>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:P > I don't think MAIL lets you store it in any subdirectory but a subdirectory of > SYS$LOGIN.  K But perhaps the SET MAIL DIRECTORY was done at a time USER$ had existed andlN was in SYSUAF as the device name, and UAF may have changed since then, but theN VMSMAIL_PROFILE wouldn't reflect the change, but still function since it still= maps to the same directory as long as USER$ remained defined.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:44:58 GMTwL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: mail problemi8 Message-ID: <00A09B74.0B8B5E14@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <3C70783E.622F0CD9@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:+ >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:eQ >> I don't think MAIL lets you store it in any subdirectory but a subdirectory ofo
 >> SYS$LOGIN.l >wL >But perhaps the SET MAIL DIRECTORY was done at a time USER$ had existed andO >was in SYSUAF as the device name, and UAF may have changed since then, but thedO >VMSMAIL_PROFILE wouldn't reflect the change, but still function since it stillm> >maps to the same directory as long as USER$ remained defined.  M Good thought, but I just looked in VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA and what it stores isdK the subdirectory specification "[.MAIL]" without a device name, logical or t otherwise.     -- Alans    O ===============================================================================s0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210tO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:11:40 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w Subject: Re: mail problem , Message-ID: <3C707EF4.E9CA32B0@videotron.ca>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:O > Good thought, but I just looked in VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA and what it stores is L > the subdirectory specification "[.MAIL]" without a device name, logical or > otherwise.   Fair.C  L Is it possible this system is part of a heterogenous cluster that may have 2! separate but similar SYSUAF.DAT ?t  K On your node,. JANE would be disk$usr:[USERS.JANE] while on the other node,," she would have been "USER$:[JANE]"  > So mail coming on through the other node would be delivered toc USER$:[JANE.MAIL] while mail arriving on your node would be delivered to DISK$USR:[USERS.JANE.MAIL]y   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:27:05 -0500n  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>) Subject: Re: MIME Compliant Mail from VMS 6 Message-ID: <1020217152447.20483A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, Steve Reece wrote:d  8 > (Cross posts to groups other than comp.os.vms removed) >  > Peter Weaver wrote:o > <trim> > >oP > > Of course others have already mentioned in this newsgroup that MCR MIME SHOWI > > VERSION does not do what people who have VMS experience expect it to.nK > > Experienced people also expect to be able to do command line recall andu > > editinge > >  > 2 > So that would be like, erm, SYSGEN then....  :-) > Steve.  ? I think SYSGEN is a special case because the guts of it have ton@ run (as SYSBOOT) in an extremely limited environment as early as possible in the boot sequence.  5 The command recall problem is solved by using SYSMAN.    --   John Santosp Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:09:25 -0000e= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>.# Subject: Re: Mount disk at startup?eA Message-ID: <1013983837.8330.0.nnrp-07.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>c   and why would you use   4 $mount/system/borebuild/noassist dka100: disk0 disk0  0 rather than define the logical seperately later?  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3C6FE4A2.B5BB6513@fsi.net...v > David Froble wrote:t
 > > [snip]E > > Mount your disks as follows, either in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, anothereJ > > command file invoked by SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, or in subsequent batch jobsL > > that are part of system startup.  (Note, there are advantages to keepingG > > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM minimal, doing just what's required for a running H > > system, and then doing the rest of the start-up processing in one orI > > more batch jobs.  Of course, starting the batch queue will have to be  > > done in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.)M > >r > > $! Mount public disks here > > $d  > > $ wso "  mount public disks"+ > > $ mount /system /noassist DKA100: DISK1d > > G > > Note the /NOASSIST switch.  This is highly recommended.  Otherwise,nK > > you'll need to hire operators 24 x 7 to assist with any mount problems.r :-)c > >aI > > Also define logical names for all disks.  Then reference the disks by L > > the logical names.  This allows the physical disks to change, but for it& > > to be transparent to applications. > >f  > > $! Define disk logical names > > $e > > $ wso "  define disk names"i& > > $ define /system /exec DISK0 DKA0:( > > $ define /system /exec DISK1 DKA100:( > > $ define /system /exec DISK2 DKA200:( > > $ define /system /exec DISK3 DKA300:( > > $ define /system /exec DISK4 DKA400:( > > $ define /system /exec DISK5 DKA500:( > > $ define /system /exec DISK6 DKA600: >m1 > An explanation of "wso" might also be in order.e >" > -- > David J. Dachtera8 > dba DJE Systemsy > http://www.djesys.com/ >t* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/v   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 03:04:08 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o# Subject: Re: Mount disk at startup?j' Message-ID: <3C7070AF.CE450873@fsi.net>    David McKenzie wrote:t >  > and why would you usei > 6 > $mount/system/borebuild/noassist dka100: disk0 disk0 > 2 > rather than define the logical seperately later?  F Because when you do it on the MOUNT command, it becomes linked somehowB to the in-memory data structures belonging to that volume. You can. retrieve the MOUNT command logical name using:  . $ logvolnam = f$getdvi( "ddcu:", "logvolnam" )  D ...substituting a valid device name for "ddcu:", in quotes. When you? DISMOUNT the device, the logical name automagically disappears.d  G If you DEFINE it yourself, no such magic happens. When you DISMOUNT theo! volume, the logical name remains.    -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2002 22:24:36 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)0# Subject: Re: Mount disk at startup?t3 Message-ID: <7I6S$5wJHgNN@eisner.encompasserve.org>$   In article <1013983837.8330.0.nnrp-07.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>, "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk> writes:  > and why would you use  > 6 > $mount/system/norebuild/noassist dka100: disk0 disk0 > 2 > rather than define the logical seperately later?  @ Because you want the logical name to be the volume logical name,F defined in an inner mode and set up to automatically become deassigned when the disk is dismounted.  B That said, I don't like the name "DISK0" in this situation becauseC it promotes confusion between the volume name and the logical name,oA but a construction such as the above might be required to supporte existin command procedures.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:08:53 +12009& From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> Subject: networkG Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155AD@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ>y   Hi All,   G I'm having problem with the following and I need someones assistance onp2 thiz.  I have two nodes both using open vms v7.1-2   Problem # 1   2 Cannot reply (mail)  to node2 when login to node1.   MAIL> REPLYe To:     NODE2::user ; %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node  NODE2 < -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node    
 Problem #2  F Can't change password on Node2. Error message is "Invalid Access Node"  
 Problem #3  @ I can ping the address of node2 but I cannot ping the node name.    # Your help is very much appreciated.-     AB   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:53:09 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h Subject: Re: network, Message-ID: <3C705074.235F6923@videotron.ca>   A Bonaveidogo wrote:
 > MAIL> REPLYo > To:     NODE2::userm= > %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node  NODE2f> > -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node  1 On node2, you should be able to do the following:. $MC NCPo NCP> SHOW OBJECT MAIL CHAR  ! file_id should be mail_server.exe  User ID should be MAIL$SERVERT Some random password Proxy Access: outgoing Alias outgoing: enabledb  M On NODE2, you should look at the sys$manager:operator.log to see what happens-J when you try to send an email. It should report some failed nbetwork loginO attemps and tell you what username was being used to try to create the process.q  H > Can't change password on Node2. Error message is "Invalid Access Node"  K Not sure what you mean. What password are you trying to change, and how are  you trying to change it ?e    B > I can ping the address of node2 but I cannot ping the node name.  N Using what utility are you trying to ping it ? Ping is not decnet, it is TCPIPK (so it is a separate problem from the MAIL problem).  This means that node1 E does not have access to a DNS database/server where node2 is defined.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:48:18 +1200 & From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj>! Subject: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1nG Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155BC@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ>0   Hi All  . I'm using Oracle RDB V 7.0-1 on OpenVMS v7.2-1  G When I execute @sys$startup:rmonstart to start RDB, I got the following0
 error msg;    error activating image DTI$SHARE  L Where can I get this image file? Do I have to install another layer product? If so which one?   Need your help   AB   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:56:10 +0000 (UTC)t, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m>% Subject: Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1 / Message-ID: <a4q8i9$n7p$1@helle.btinternet.com>H   Hi,M  ( It's part of DECdtm that comes with VMS.  E What's the secondary error? "Prot shareables must be installed"? Then0 install it.R  ' INSTALL> lis sys$library:dti$share/fullg  + DISK$OPENVMS062:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXE3F    DTI$SHARE;1      Open Hdr Shar     Prot Lnkbl                Nopurg&         Entry access count         = 1*         Current / Maximum shared   = 2 / 4&         Global section count       = 3     Regards Richard Maher.  1 A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in message A news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155BC@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ...5 > Hi All >b0 > I'm using Oracle RDB V 7.0-1 on OpenVMS v7.2-1 >oI > When I execute @sys$startup:rmonstart to start RDB, I got the following  > error msg; > " > error activating image DTI$SHARE >IE > Where can I get this image file? Do I have to install another layern product? > If so which one? >i > Need your help >f > AB >r >o >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:29:32 +0100g& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>W Subject: Re: OT: XP Kernel Improvements Create a More Robust, Powerful, and	Scalable OS $ Message-ID: <3C7012AC.59E2@c-lab.de>   Warren Spencer wrote:    > K > >I just ran into this link from the December issue of MSDN magazine. It'sMJ > >sort of interesting, but I noticed that the NT family stole another VMS2 > >expression: XP now supports "Volume Shadowing". >  > -- snip -- > J > Kinda like when Micro$oft invented clustering - same name, but different$ > feature set (or, um, lack thereof) >    You mean 'Poodle Pack'?D Barks, but never ever bites? T2 But has a nice hairstyle (Management GUI) instead?   --  * Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:25:22 -1700 # From: "Alia" <O18643@citynet.co.kr>sA Subject: Please read. Investment opportunity.                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Go to th= 	 e link onb4 the bottom of the web page. Thank you</font></b></p>   </body>i   </html>n   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2002 13:15:23 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Re: PPP for TCPIP on VAX ? = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202171315.695409c3@posting.google.com>A  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C6EA2D3.917C9DE1@videotron.ca>...0O > With Compaq in a state of limbo until its fate is decided by HP shareholders,mM > would there be any chance that VMS engineers would release the code for theoJ > PPP interface to TCPIP software so that hobbyists could port it to VAX ? > P > It woudldn't take much to just post the code to some unsupported directory andK > let the hobbyists take it from there. Compaq wouldn't really need to knowtO > about it. And once hobbysist have ported and tested it, perhaps the engineersiV > could then integrate it into VAX-VMS before the last version of VAX-VMS is released. > N > The availability of PPP on VAX would allow connectivity between PDAs and VMS  > to be developped for instance.  B you could always get TCPware for vax as I think it supports it ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:10:12 GMT & From: Niclas Jansson <j4nss0n@0xe.net> Subject: Problem with DEC Co' Message-ID: <3C701C34.B6056B71@0xe.net>   C DEC C complains about my include files when I try to compile ircii.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:41:40 -0500i1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Re: Problem with DEC C 2 Message-ID: <3C7069E4.B4DA587C@firstdbasource.com>  E you will get a lot of responses with this cryptic message.  If want a=2 real answer you will have to provide real details.   Niclas Jansson wrote:  > E > DEC C complains about my include files when I try to compile ircii.5   -- y Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #26116307 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com= Sr. Consultant   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:40:37 GMT2# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e$ Subject: Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ/ Message-ID: <VbXb8.4011$5L.2011@news1.bloor.is>d  K I had some corespondence with Dale Howard about a year ago, suggesting thatlI Compaq somehow buy the rights or at least encourage the copyright holders L for a number of out-of-print books about VMS to make the texts available viaJ one or more of the 'books on demand" printing services that have sprung up, in recent years. I think bn.com offers this.  G Cardinal Business Media and Professional Press published several decent K books for VMS beginners. One of the authors was a guy named Terry Shannon -e ever hear of him?   ;8-)  C Services like this can make rare/out-of-print books accessible at a)K reasonable cost ($10-15), and also can provide authors with a way to make aFL few bucks (I think the common royalty rate is 30%). It's also pretty easy to bring out updated editions.A  I Examples of other things that could be useful are updated editions of oldoC Digital handbooks (the old 5" x 8" freebies Digital gave out), like G "Security for VMS Systems - EC-H1267-31", and "OpenVMS Operating SystemaK Handbook - EC-H1369-93/92", just to name a few (I picked these up at randomuI from my bookcase). Make these things available as .pdf's on the Compaq ornI OpenVMS.org web sites.  If Compaq won't do it themselves, perhaps if they.I didn't get pissed, we could scan these older handbooks as .pdf's and postrJ them ourselves in a user-built library on OpenVMS.org. There's got to be aG lot of stuff still relevant between what's still available throught the=K LUG's, and some of us 'older' hands.   It would be best if it were archivedLF in one spot, with links from, and acknowlegements to all contributors.  I Guys like Kevin Barkes (www.kgb.com  -- no, it's not THAT KGB website!!!)4J are still around - his old DCL Dialog column is still available on-line onE his site http://www.kgb.com/dcl.html . As Kevin says, "There are more H computers running Windows than VMS. There are also more cockroaches thanJ humans.", which seems to sum up Microsoft products in a pithy sort of way.    . Amazon carries some books on VMS, DCL, etc....      ; David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message ! news:3C6FE409.30EE3630@fsi.net...o > William Barnett-Lewis wrote: > >d
 > > Hello, > >aE > > Reading Mark Reddings experiences and pondering my own trials and G > > tribulations as a Vax and VMS hobbyist/newby, I got to wondering if L > > maybe the time isn't ripe for a Hobbyist specific FAQ. While much of theJ > > information that the Hobbyist needs is available in places like Hoff'sJ > > OpenVMS FAQ, there are still some headaches and gotchas that should be > > addressed some place.S > >:J > > There is a short FAQ at http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/faq.html thatK > > would be a good place to start. Other things I'd like to see mentioned:i > >aI > > 1) pointers to basic user tutorials - several good ones exist, but isS2 > > there a basic tutorial on the VMS HELP system? >t> > Well, yeah, there sort of is. Problem: it's in HELP. Classic > chicken-and-egg problem. >uI > Kinda like UN*X (Linux, *BSD, etc.). They tell you to read the manpages E > to learn about it and how to install it. That means to learn how to E > install it, you first must install it. Ya gotta unpack the manpages . > before you can unpack the manpages before... >k > > It's a great and powerful I > > system, but in it's own way it can be just as cryptic as the Unix man  > > system.O >iI > Yeah, I s'pose so. Perhaps the top-level "Topic?" prompt of HELP shouldcA > include "Press CTRL+Z to exit HELP, or just press <RETURN>. For J > information on how to use HELP, type "HELP" at the "Topic?" prompt, thenI > press <RETURN>.", although I s'pose UN*X purists may be confused by theD1 > reference to "<RETURN>" instead of "<NEWLINE>".k > B > > Also pointers to various programming resources would be good -K > > like the link to the Bliss for C programmers document that was recentlyeL > > posted or a tutorial on how to use Forms (since it's on the hobbyist PAK
 > > list.) > J > Are your referring to "forms" as in DEFINE/QUEUE/FORM and PRINT/FORM, or > DECforms, or FMS?v > A > > A pointer to the fact that a single user developer version ofeH > > Oracle Rdb for both VAX and Alpha is available for download from the1 > > Oracle Technical Net for a free registration.e >r > Agreed! That'd be a good one!e >e5 > > 2) pointers to what hardware documentation existsd >gF > Oh, YEAH! Fer sure! Even the main OVMS FAQ needs that, no? Excellent > idea!s >t > > - trying to put I > > together an uptodate list of known good CD-ROM drives would be a niceb
 > > thing. >  > AMEN!_ >.E > > A listing of the basic information about common hobbyist machinestL > > - the VAX stations, the MVs, the various Alpha workstations - would alsoG > > be good. Most of the information is scattered all over creation andlI > > seems to concentrate on the bigger systems. A reminder that a Vax can G > > sit on a desktop and not need a basement might not be out of place.s > J > Very true. Even VAX 4000's, while a bit costly to run power-wise can fit5 > under a desk or be used as an end- or coffee-table.! >fJ > > Much of the good hardware information on the web has been put togetherK > > by the NetBSD folks and there emphasis and needs are different from the  > > VMS hobbyist.c >SG > They were the source of much the available research on Alpha Multias.m >xI > > 3) basic system management - for example how to create a user accountyL > > that has sufficient privileges to mount a cd without having to log in asH > > system. Not being VMS savvy I'm still not sure if I have that right. >oE > That's REALLY a sticky one. In UN*X land, unless you've set up some.E > elaborate ACLs, group memberships, etc., you're either root (can do0I > anything) or not (can't do too much damage). The VMS privilege paradigmc: > can be quite challenging if you're not familiar with it. >f > > A F > > tutorial on how to set logical names for foreign executables (i.e. > > Unzip) in the login.com. >dB > Well, not just logical names but symbols and such, as well as anH > introduction to logical names vs. symbols since the whole logical nameD > paradigm is foreign to UN*X-land while DCL symbols are parallel to. > environment variables in UN*X, DOS/Win, etc. >o2 > > A tutorial on how to use Backup, especially ifK > > all you have is a second disk and no tape device or how to do a restored@ > > of a non-image saveset to it's original directory structure. >t > Yes, sir!  >h
 > > A listing K > > of _what_ all the software is that is available on the layered productsDL > > PAKS - while all the VMS experienced folks may know what ACMS or GKS is,J > > it took me much searching of Compaq's web site to determine what those > > software packages were.  >2F > I always got a kick out of "PHIGS". When one is in a silly mood, the* > jokes/puns can flow for quite some time. >HI > > I'm sure there are other things that would be of use to the Hobbyist.d  > > Anyone have any suggestions? >iJ > The idea of the VAX console as well as Alpha SRM should probably also beJ > compared and contrasted with the typical BIOS setup screens one finds onB > Intel machines. This can be equally as daunting as the items you > mentioned earlier. >eK > > I'll start pulling together what I can find - in the meantime, any helpeK > > that could be posted here would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps by nextIL > > Saturday, I can post at least an outline of the questions that should be
 > > answered.  >e > What can I do to help? >sJ > I hesitate to ask anything of the D/FW guys - they're kind of upset withF > me right now, but I'll volunteer to compile the CD-ROM compatibilityJ > info. and put it on the web. Anyone who wants to can e-mail me privatelyJ > with info. re: your successes/challenges in this area. How to de-mung myI > reply-to address should be obvious. Whatever info. I receive I'll shareIC > with DFWCUG/Montagar and they can post it or not as they see fit.r >y > -- > David J. Dachteran > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/N   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:53:33 GMTe0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com>$ Subject: Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ+ Message-ID: <3C705081.353C5574@mailbag.com>e   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > William Barnett-Lewis wrote:  -B > > Also pointers to various programming resources would be good -K > > like the link to the Bliss for C programmers document that was recently L > > posted or a tutorial on how to use Forms (since it's on the hobbyist PAK
 > > list.) > J > Are your referring to "forms" as in DEFINE/QUEUE/FORM and PRINT/FORM, or > DECforms, or FMS?n  D In this case, DECForms. I found the PAK on the list and installed itH from the old SPL I have and now have no clue what to do. Though I expectF that, as always, "HELP FORMS" is my friend here (Ah, yep. Now what wasC that incantation for getting a text file out of help? Another FAQ Iu should writeup.)  F Back to the main topic of this thread, this is another reason for thatF list of just what some of the layered products are. I mention the word- Forms and you know _4_ places it might apply.o   William  --  * You better watch out    What you wish for;+ It better be worth it   So much to die for.n-                                 Courtney Loveo   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:00:29 GMT 0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com>$ Subject: Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ+ Message-ID: <3C705220.E34A31B8@mailbag.com>a  H If you could put together a list of the documents you have and the theirD numbers, I'd be willing to contact Compaq and see if they would giveG permission for making them available. If they are willing, I can do thea' scan/pdf thing if you would like me to.l  . If you're interested, please send me an email.   Thanks for the idea.   John Smith wrote:   K > Examples of other things that could be useful are updated editions of oldyE > Digital handbooks (the old 5" x 8" freebies Digital gave out), likerI > "Security for VMS Systems - EC-H1267-31", and "OpenVMS Operating SystemeM > Handbook - EC-H1369-93/92", just to name a few (I picked these up at random K > from my bookcase). Make these things available as .pdf's on the Compaq ortK > OpenVMS.org web sites.  If Compaq won't do it themselves, perhaps if theyrK > didn't get pissed, we could scan these older handbooks as .pdf's and postrL > them ourselves in a user-built library on OpenVMS.org. There's got to be aI > lot of stuff still relevant between what's still available throught thesM > LUG's, and some of us 'older' hands.   It would be best if it were archived H > in one spot, with links from, and acknowlegements to all contributors. >t   William1 --  * You better watch out    What you wish for;+ It better be worth it   So much to die for.d-                                 Courtney Lovem   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:30:59 +0100.2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)$ Subject: Re: Question about Group ID; Message-ID: <3c709193.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>l   Sammy (hchen3@uwo.ca) wrote:H >   Thanks for the help on this particular topic. I learn a lot from allI > you guys (yeah, and the manual too -> a great read). I post the source uI > code below and if there is any mistakes, please point out. Thanks again  > for all the great insight. >  >   char name[1024]; >o  >   struct dsc$descriptor_s grp; >n >   grp.dsc$w_length = 1024;$ >   grp.dsc$b_dtype = DSC$K_DTYPE_T;$ >   grp.dsc$b_class = DSC$K_CLASS_S; >   grp.dsc$a_pointer = name;   I It is good practice to dynamically initialize the dsc$w_length parameter, 	 e.g. liket  D    grp.dsc$w_length = sizeof(name)-1; // think of C's NUL character!  F The descrip.h header file has a macro to declare and initialize string descriptors:      $DESCRIPTOR(grp, name);   >   struct stat statBuf;" >   double shift = pow(2.0, 16.0); ... 5 >   unsigned int id = statBuf.st_gid * ((int) shift);u  9 I wouldn't shift using doubles; better declare shift likeh      unsigned shift = 1 << 16;   >   // look up group name I >   status = SYS$IDTOASC(id, &length, &grp, &resid, &attibute, &context);s >c >   switch(status) >   {d >     case SS$_ACCVIO: ...- >     default: > 		* >       if(strcasecmp(argv[1], name) == 0)	 >       {</ >         cout << "Group name matched" << endl;e	 >       }r > 			 5 >       else cout << "Group name mismatched" << endl;5 > 		 >       break;  C You shouldn't assume that your cases cover all the error codes that=E $IDTOASC can return (Use the docs, young Jedi!). So your default caser should read-       if (!(status & 1)) {!       // uncaught error conditionP     } else {       // ...     }o  , stsdef.h even provides a macro for the test:  %     if (!$VMS_SUCCESS_STATUS(status))   G And one other thing: Delimit name[] explicitely before using it from C:f       name[length] = '\0';     Hope it helps,   Martin -- 3J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deaJ One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Feb 2002 21:56:01 -0800- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt)=+ Subject: VMS 7.2 hobbist + mop? remote bootf= Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0202172156.3aaf99b6@posting.google.com>3   Hi 2 sort of related questions     1-E i have a 4 vs 4000 vlcs 2 of which have 1 gig drives (internally) andMD vms 72 hobbist and as many layered prods as I could find. What I wasE looking for,and may have allready under my nose , is a MOP server andaA some doc on setting up a remote boot server on one of the VLCs toa server out a VMS 72 boot image.o   -2C I have a mopd on a linux box that I used to get BSD on a 3100 m38 I>	 also haveoE a decserver 100 and a decserver 200 how would I get boot images to mytB linux machine so they could boot also? . I have access to the boot
 images from a ) server at work alpha 1000 running 6.2-1        thanks     RobM   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:07:25 +0100n& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comF$ Message-ID: <3C6FFF6D.15FB@c-lab.de>  # greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:1 > > > On 13 Feb 2002 16:50:05 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill > Gunshannon) sprachen:l > $ > >My high school taught german fromG > >a book that only showed writting int he form of 100 year old script.f > H > Oh yeah, my Grandmother used to be able to (or still can) read the oldD > German alphabet. It's sort-of perverted Latin alphabet really. TheH > B-looking thing for "ss" is just an old German S (drawn like a leaningG > straight line going down and up), and the Z, which looks like a 3, as C > is still used by some Z-writers today. Yup it's just sz together.M >   H You mean Fraktur (for printed matters) and Suetterlin (for handwriting ) here?   F Both went away, you won't beleive it, due to offical decree in the 3rdD Reich. Pupils were taught to write latin letters instead. My mother,H passing her 'Abitur' in '50, had to write her exams again in Suetterlin.H But then it literally died away. While I can read some Fraktur (only due/ to old books), I'm not able to read Suetterlin.s   > G > My great-uncle's wife (he and her are only about 40) was a bit bummed1D > out about it, apparently a lot of Deutschlanders are, because it'sB > selling out their culture, maybe with the idea of making it more > American.b >   H Nonono, as Jan already wrote. It's not (yet?) that far. Though I'm still@ wondering when English (and perhaps Dutch, too) got rid of theirF differentiation of sexes in prenouns and conjugation of verbs. In that= respect, I sometimes have the feeling that German is a little  'ancient'...   -- x* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:23:01 +010023 From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqn- Message-ID: <3C700315.3AB92F4E@hda.hydro.com>    Steinar Haug wrote:t >  > [Terje Mathisen]G > Ah, but we *do* have "hardnakket". We also have "barn" (for child), I 6 > assume this is the same root as the Geordie "bairn".  G Steinar is right, hardnakket/hrdnakket is a common norwegian word, notcE recognizing it the first time hopefully doesn't indicate the onset of 	 senility.    :-(a   Terje  -- )  - <Terje.Mathisen@hda.hydro.com>@ "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.095 ************************