0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 99      Contents:; Re: (OT) Dueterium (from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium 0 Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks4 Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks4 Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks: Re: Bank Austria Analysts recommend Dell stock (over HP/Q): Re: Bank Austria Analysts recommend Dell stock (over HP/Q)8 Re: Batch job termination - OpenVMS v7.3 v. OpenVMS v7.1* Re: Bounce mail messages are bouncing back Re: DCL procedure's   DECTERM ERROR MESSAGE??????????? Re: Diff SCSI cntrlrs  Re: Gordon Bell site Re: Gordon Bell site Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products  Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products  Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products & How to get rid of too many logfiles...* RE: How to get rid of too many logfiles...* Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...* Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles... Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles8 RE: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime8 RE: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime8 Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime MicroVAX Crash Re: MicroVAX Crash Re: MicroVAX Crash& MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization RE: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1 RE: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1 Oracle RDB v7.0-1 ' Re: OT: Humour - Capitalism Enron style ' Re: OT: Humour - Capitalism Enron style = Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare  Re: print on OCE copier % Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS  Question for Backup Gurus  Re: Question for Backup Gurus  Re: Semaphores Re: Semaphores Re: Semaphores Re: Semaphores Re: SemaphoresL Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (L RE: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (P Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The Re: SORT to indexed file7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? N Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       ofP Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  P Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  P Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of   System problem Re: System problem Re: System problem2 Re: VMS/Unix/Alpha NYC Event Wed., Feb 20th., 20022 Re: VMS/Unix/Alpha NYC Event Wed., Feb 20th., 20022 Re: VMS/Unix/Alpha NYC Event Wed., Feb 20th., 2002- Re: What is the best NFS package for OpenVMS? $ Win2000 drivers for LK461 keyboards?( Re: Win2000 drivers for LK461 keyboards?" Wir sind umgezogen - we have movedA Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaq- Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about ... P Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars  (was RP Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars (was ReP Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars (was Re  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:48:57 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>D Subject: Re: (OT) Dueterium (from discussion about Deuterium-GalliumB Message-ID: <cLzc8.120696$LY3.9303834@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message ' news:0033000053585317000002L072*@MHS...   7 "Dueterium" sounds like a neologism created to describe ? classical music that is sung by two people while in the shower.   < It's spelled Deuterium, unless it's one of those funny words like aluminum/aluminium.  ; In the US, at least, any food or drink product described as 9 "heavy" would be very unlikely to gain market acceptance.   7 Now if it were called "H2O-Lite", you'd make a fortune.    ***   I But that would be false advertizing.  However, you could call it "Tritium L Lite", which is catchier anyway (though representative of only one componentE of the compound).  And have slogans such as "Glow in the dark without 6 getting burned" to appeal to the club-hopping crowd...   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:20:45 -0700 3 From: "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astro.washington.edu> 9 Subject: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks > Message-ID: <owen-2BA5C8.15204519022002@news.u.washington.edu>  E We have a telescope control system that reads commands from multiple  I users and writes all replies to all users. Each user is a separate login  F running a separate interactive command interpreter image. Much of the H work is done by detached background processes and much of the output is H not solicited by commands. The control system is the only thing running  on the computer.  H Originally I used sys$broadcast to send the output. It was dirt simple, I but any one user blocking output (with ^S) would cause a 20 second delay  0 for output to all users, which was unacceptable.  H I then wrote a message hub. Any process wanting to send output sends it F to the hub (via a mailbox). The hub then copies it to a set of output E mailboxes, one per user. (It is smart enough to deal gracefully with  I full mailboxes, i.e. if a user gets behind). The question is how best to  : get the data from those mailboxes to the individual users.  C Presently I set up an AST in the user's command interpreter. It is  I called whenever there is data in the user's output mailbox, it reads the  D mailbox and writes the data to the user's terminal. Mostly it works H fine, but it uses synchronous write, so if the user blocks output (with H ^S), the user's interpreter is locked and this can cause problems under  unusual circumstances.  F I'm trying to figure out the best way to fix this problem, best being H simple, robust and with adequate performance. Solutions I've thought of  include:  E *** Have a separate subprocess for output and ditch all use of ASTs.  F This is as simple as it gets. The subprocess does nothing more than a H blocking read on the user's mailbox, then a blocking write of that data / to sys$output. I tried to do this first, but...   H But there's a catch: how do I make sure that this subprocess exits when E the user's command interpreter process exits? An exit handler in the  F interpreter will not suffice, because exit handlers are not called if & the user does a ^Y followed by a STOP.    H *** Have the output AST write via asynchronously (via SYS$QIO), instead I of blocking. I know I can make this work, but it sounds messy. I'll have  B to fire an AST when the write finishes (probably the same AST I'm G already firing). Otherwise, if new data comes in while the old data is  G being output, the existing AST will see that it cannot yet write, will  / give up for now, and may never get fired again.   I This seems like a lot of ASTs to fire and it adds complexity to a system  " that already seems fairly complex.    G Any suggestions? I wish there was some way to simply connect a mailbox  H to a terminal, such that anything written to the mailbox is sent to the 5 terminal. That's really all I'm trying to accomplish.    Regards,  
 -- Russell  
 -- Russell   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:31:22 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks , Message-ID: <3C72EE58.9179C7D8@videotron.ca>   "Russell E. Owen" wrote:I > I then wrote a message hub. Any process wanting to send output sends it G > to the hub (via a mailbox). The hub then copies it to a set of output F > mailboxes, one per user. (It is smart enough to deal gracefully withJ > full mailboxes, i.e. if a user gets behind). The question is how best to< > get the data from those mailboxes to the individual users.  N Have you considered using DECnet ? There is an example of coding a server thatM defines an object and then receives connection requests in the documentation. # (and probably in sys$examples too).   K The advantage compared to mailboxes is that each user has its "independant" K channel and you get notified if a user departs for some reason (application  ends, process terminated etc).  5 DECnet also has much better buffering than mailboxes.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:33:27 GMT 2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>= Subject: Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks 3 Message-ID: <3C72FCB9.5040104@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>    Russell,  H Have you thought of using IP multicast (with TTL set to zero to keep theB broadcast on the local node)?  It would eliminate the need for theG message hub process.  Two caveats - IP multicast isn't guaranteed to be E delivered in order, or at all (it's UDP), but I don't think you'd see B that happen on a single node.  And there are almost certainly some+ privilege requirements to use IP multicast.   F I assume that the "command interpreters" you're talking about are userF programs (not the DCL command interpreter).  There are various ways ofE sending the incoming multicast message to the "command interpreter's" B terminal.  The easiest is to just maintain a timeout on the latestF message you've sent to the terminal.  If the terminal is blocked, just? return from the AST without queuing another asynch write to the 	 terminal.   F I have socket examples (which are synchronous), but async QIO versions would be easy to write.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:01:07 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> C Subject: Re: Bank Austria Analysts recommend Dell stock (over HP/Q) + Message-ID: <3C72A0F3.C9B4E830@caltech.edu>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > 6 > "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message' > news:3C715B7B.85BF89F0@caltech.edu...  > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > C > > >  But I wouldn't belly up to the bar, I have too many concerns L > > > about how Dell will make its way into the enterprise. My opinion only, > happy  > > > investing! > > M > > Why does DELL  need to go into enterprise computing any time soon?   They  > are 	 > > still L > > making plenty of $$$ in laptops and desktops and continue to take market > share  > > from their competitors.  > : > Yeah, well, ya check out the margins on peecees lately?   P Depends whose margins - Dell's are a lot better (have the right sign even!) than Compaq'sL or HPs.  Lots of industries sell commodity items and the companies that make them areH still in business.  Dell still has considerable growth potential - as it
 continues to  " outcompete other PC manufacturers.  N > Silly little companies like IBM think otherwise, but we all know how foolishN > THEY are! After all, with a stock value flirting at $100, they must be doing > something wrong.  P Obviously not.  But a big part of what IBM is doing right is essentially the yin to Dell's yang. P IBM is a major components supplier - Dell is an incredibly efficient component's
 assembler.N Until somebody figures out a more efficient business model to put together and sell PCs than Dell's -I and is able to execute on it - Dell is relatively secure.  None of Dell's  competitors have so K far been able to successfully copy their existing business model, let alone  improve on it.  I Sure IBM also does a great job selling large enterprise machines but that  doesn't mean that N Dell must, or even should, try to enter that market.  While it's close to what Dell does, Dell N really has no expertise in Enterprise systems at all.  They might very well be better off gettingJ into  home entertainment (think Tivo) or something else that matches their current business modelO better.  Or to really twist the argument - just because IBM makes money selling  mainframes doesn't2 mean that GE would be wise to enter that business.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:28:51 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> C Subject: Re: Bank Austria Analysts recommend Dell stock (over HP/Q) , Message-ID: <3C72A767.6842B878@videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote: K > Sure IBM also does a great job selling large enterprise machines but that  > doesn't mean that 7 > Dell must, or even should, try to enter that market.    K Agreed. Although Dell does make "enterprise" wintel servers too. They don't , make a claim of being an enterprise company.  H By the way, one company had succeeded in matching Dell's business model:F Compaq. Unfortunatly, because they were so good at it, they decided toI diversify and buy Tandem and Digital and it has been downhill ever since.   N The one which puzzles me is HP. They used to be a serious/quality company. AndF in a way, they succeeded where Digital failed: transform itself into aN commodity low margin company selling printers and wintel crap. So they did theK very opposite of what Compaq tried to do, and they two are meeting halfway. N They are not good enough to beat Dell, and not good enough to beat IBM or Sun.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:29:27 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> A Subject: Re: Batch job termination - OpenVMS v7.3 v. OpenVMS v7.1 ' Message-ID: <3C7319B0.8ED0C950@fsi.net>    Marty Kuhrt wrote: > i > In article <91B6AE454warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes: H > > davef@tsoft-inc.com (David Froble) wrote in <3C6D57C0.4060000@tsoft-
 > > inc.com>:  > > " > >>> ----- Original Message -----> > >>> From: "Andrew Rycroft" <andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com> > >>> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms - > >>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:26 PM C > >>> Subject: Batch job termination - OpenVMS v7.3 v. OpenVMS v7.1  > >>>  > >>>  > >>> 	 > >>>>Hi,  > >>>>L > >>>>I have just upgrade to OpenVMS v7.3 from openVMS v7.1. We have a batchL > >>>>job that runs continuously. On occasion we stop it, and restart it. To > >>>>stop is we use > >>>> > >>>>$ Delete/entry=n > >>5 > >>So, Ok, The BIG HAMMER approach works many times.  > >>L > >>There are shall I say, cleaner methods to stop a job that is not runningL > >>interactively.  Just one example would be a system or group logical, for > >>example: > >> > >>PROCESS_XYZ_STOP_NOW = "NO"  > >>I > >>The logical value is normally 'NO' or 'N' or whatever.  Possibly just H > >>it's existance, or lack thereof.  The application would periodicallyA > >>chack the logical, and when a specified condition is met, the 2 > >>application will shut down in a normal manner. > >>L > >>Other possibilities, definitely not a complete list, would be mailbox orK > >>socket communications, the contents of a communications disk file, etc.  > >>! > >>The logical is rather simple.  > >> > >>Dave > >> > > H > > There are many possiblities, but the logical name method can lead toN > > problems... Application comes up, logical name is already defined from theM > > previous shutdown, application see it and goes down immediately, operator B > > scratches his head.  Repeat until operator wakes someone up... > >  > > ws > C > Which can be worked around by having the application rundown code B > delete the logical on the way out.  Assuming the logical is used@ > as a one time toggle type of thing.  Having shot myself in the@ > foot a few times with the "exit when logical is there, hey why= > didn't it start?" gun, I added the delete on shutdown code.p  H Well, and IMHO, if the application exits in that case without saying whyG it is exitting - thus tipping you off: "Hey! You forgot to DEASSIGN theA logical!", then...   Pagers - gotta love 'em!   -- a David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 17:26:39 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)e3 Subject: Re: Bounce mail messages are bouncing backt3 Message-ID: <echg+TwzWvyA@eisner.encompasserve.org>L  = You could set up the freeware DELIVER package to handle this, < I'd think.  DELIVER allows you set set up rules sets for an 8 account (your postmaster account in this instance) that ? determine what to do with incoming mail.  I had to do somethingl< like this for an autoresponder account on one of my systems.  b In article <a7337236.0202181247.a9114ea@posting.google.com>, sol@adldata.com (Sol Gongola) writes:$ > We have vms 7.2-1 tcpip 5.1 eco 3.A > We have a problem with rejected bounce messages filling up our fE > postmaster account. We tried "Reject-Unbacktranslatable-IP: FALSE" SD > in smtp.config but it made receiving mail from legitimate senders 
 > difficult. u >  > The scenario is as follows: / > We disable user accounts from receiving mail. H > Mail arrives to these users from spam site with invalid reply address.1 > VMS bounces mail back to invalid reply address.r6 > We receive bounce message to the postmaster account. > H > Is there a way to not send back a bounce message if the reply address F > is not valid, or a way to detect the rebounced message and kill it?  > ) > Extract of sample mail messages follow:MH > VMS smtp sends reject message with the following to the reply address.+ >   ---- Transcript of session follows ---- H >   %%%%%%%%%%%%                    9-FEB-2002 16:28:10.80  %%%%%%%%%%%%( >   %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user BILL) >   ---- Recipients of this delivery ----v$ >   <BILL@MAIL.domain.COM> (bounced)$ >   ---- Unsent message follows ----3 >   Return-Path: opt-in@mtsopt18.naviantnetwork.net 9 >   Received: from opt.edirectnetwork.net (66.115.47.118) A >            by mail.domain.com (V5.1-15H, OpenVMS V7.2-1 Alpha);e* >           Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:28:08 -0500G >   Received: (qmail 11035 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2002 21:07:52 -0000t# >   Date: 9 Feb 2002 21:07:52 -0000eH >   Message-ID: <20020209210752.11033.qmail@mtsopt18.naviantnetwork.net> >   TO: BILL@MAIL.domain.COM > : > we receive back a message to the postmaster account with( >   From:   SMTP%"TCPIP$SMTP@domain.com" >   To:     TCPIP$SMTP >   CC:  >   Subj:   Returned mailt > ) >   Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:12:48 -0500t, >   Message-Id: <02021217124844@adldata.com> >   From: TCPIP$SMTP@domain.COMe >   To: TCPIP$SMTP >   Subject: Returned mail > + >   ---- Transcript of session follows ----e > < >   %TCPIP-E-SMTP_UNREACHABL, cannot connect to remote host, > mtsopt18.naviantnetwork.netsG >   -SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failed  > $ >   ---- Unsent message follows ---- >   ...m >   ...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:59:45 -0500.; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e Subject: Re: DCL procedure's$ Message-ID: <3c72a0ab$1@news.si.com>  . >i am looking for some usefull DCL-procedure's$ >maybe you wanna share some programs  G Here's my entry.  We populate our VMS Mail Profile programmatically andiH sometimes get eight bit characters in it.  Using REMOVE from within MAILJ won't let you delete those names (can't type them on the keyboard) so I'veK produced the following that lets you step through VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA fromrD any given starting point until you find the name you want to delete. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comdA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company     $! CLEANMAIL.COMC $   profile = f$parse( "vmsmail_profile", "sys$system:.data", , , )w, $   open/read/write/share mailfile 'profile' $! $ again:L $   read/end=done/prompt="What is the name to be deleted? " sys$command name $   name := 'name' $!/ $   read/key="''name'"/match=ge mailfile recorde $! $ redo: : $   address = f$edit( f$extract( 0, 31, record ), "trim" )J $   read/end=done/prompt="Is ''address' the name you want? " sys$command -         response $   if response  $   then $!4 $       read/key="''address'"/delete mailfile record> $       read/end=done/prompt="Any more? " sys$command response $       if responsez $       then goto againc $       else goto done
 $       endifi $! $   else $! $       read mailfile record $       goto redoo $!	 $   endif  $! $ done:a $   close mailfile $   exit   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 15:38:13 -08001 From: Alex.Feliziani@space.gc.ca (Alex Feliziani)0) Subject: DECTERM ERROR MESSAGE??????????? = Message-ID: <f4436989.0202191538.1aa0d64d@posting.google.com>g  @ I have a VAX STATION 4000. I created an account on $DISK2 calledF PAYNE. When i try to log into the Payne account i get through up untilE the blue screen where the DecTerm tries to open and then it goes back F to the login window. THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT I OBTAIN AFTER ENTERING THE LINE BELOW;    $SET DEF DKA300:[SYS0.SYSMGR]a $TYPE/PAGE DECTERM_ERROR.LOG;30h  B DECTERM version V1.1/SSB error occured on TUE FEB 19 16:50:51 2002 Text of error message:   %XLIB-F-IOERROR, xlib io error! -DECW_CNXABORT, conection abortedt& -SYSTEM-NOMSG, Message number 00001E34" -PLI-BADPARAM, bad parameter value %NORMALe %NOMSG %NOMSG %ACCVI0t %NOMSG
 %ABORT, abortu= Access violation, reason mask=64, virtual address = 0105000C,  PC=00010000, PSL= 00016f08   message number 00016f64h  ? Acces violation, reason mask = 00, virtual address = 00016F08, ( PC=03050014, PSL = 00030000a   Normal successful completion   %BADPARAM, Bad parameter value %NOMSG, Message number 000174B0  %NOMSG, Message number 000174BCi %NOMSG, Message number 000174C8e> %ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask = 00, virtual address = 00016DDC PC = 0105000C, PSL = 00010000t     I would appreciate the help!.n   Alex!t   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 13:50:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)w Subject: Re: Diff SCSI cntrlrs3 Message-ID: <liR4HH+hCTG$@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  _ In article <3C7220BE.6F405307@Mvb.Saic.Com>, Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> writes:  > Craig A. Berry wrote:p >> >  > [severe snippage]o >  o	 >> As far:F >> as I can tell, there has been no new SCSI support for OpenVMS sinceI >> Compaq acquired DEC four years ago, and for that matter no support for J >> the majority of Compaq-branded SCSI cards, though I'd love to be proven	 >> wrong.. > I > Permit me to do so.  The following is extracted from the description ofh( > a patch that was released last summer.  I I don't see anything in that description about support for SCSI clusters.l  = > NEW FUNCTIONALITY INTRODUCED IN VMS73_FIBRE_SCSI-V0100 KIT:d > E >   o  This kit provides support for  the  KZPEA-DB  Ultra  160  SCSIo >      Storage Adapter.t > E >      The Compaq KZPEA-DB SCSI Storage Adapter is a high-performanceaE >      dual  channel Ultra 160 SCSI adapter that connects external or E >      internal SCSI  storage  devices  to  a  PCI-based  host  AlphasE >      system.   The  module provides multimode SCSI support for bothiE >      Single-Ended (SE) and  Low  Voltage  Differential  (LVD)  SCSIk+ >      peripherals in a 33/66 Mhz PCI slot.y > 4 >      The KZPEA adapter has the following features: > H >          o  Provides full-featured dual-channel Ultra  160  SCSI  host< >             adapter with a 66/33 Mhz 64-bit PCI interface. > H >          o  Supports Ultra160 data transfer rates up to 160 MB/sec  on= >             the 16-bit SCSI bus using LVD SCSI peripherals.e > H >          o  Supports  mixed  SCSI-2,   Ultra2,   and   Ultra160   SCSI< >             peripherals on Compaq Storageworks enclosures. > C >          o  Supports hot-swapping/hot-adding of SCSI peripherals.  > 7 >          Images Affected:  [SYS$LDR]SYS$PKADRIVER.EXEs >  >  > Mark Berrymano -- hN ==============================================================================I The Boulder Pledge: "Under no circumstances will I ever purchase anything.J      offered to me as the result of an unsolicited email message. Nor willI      I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warningstH      to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival      of the online community."N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:53:20 GMTo, From: Mickey Lane <mickeylane@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Gordon Bell site 8 Message-ID: <f8b57ukccat6i5ap7rkp1mmatoej9iba17@4ax.com>  N On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:50:30 -0500, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> wrote:  1 >now how did this end up on a microsoft web site?  >--c  & ..and why is it running on a Unix box?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:55:16 -0400s+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>t Subject: Re: Gordon Bell sitet1 Message-ID: <3C72BBB4.3AFB8543@trailing-edge.com>t   Mickey Lane wrote: > P > On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:50:30 -0500, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> > wrote: > 3 > >now how did this end up on a microsoft web site?e > >--s > ( > ..and why is it running on a Unix box?   Windows 2000 is Unix?s  @ http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=research.microsoft.com   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:42:41 +0100e' From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@surfeu.ch>l( Subject: Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products4 Message-ID: <VA.00000543.4e12b623@bluewin.delete.ch>  E I have tried to contact you. Did  not work. Please send me a working   email address. ___u
 Paul Sture Switzerlandu  paul dot sture at bluewin dot ch   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:47:07 +0100I' From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@surfeu.ch>-( Subject: Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products4 Message-ID: <VA.00000544.4e16c6c6@bluewin.delete.ch>  H In article <20020218151825.10414.qmail@gacracker.org>, Doc.Cypher wrote:D > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Mark Redding <grawlfang@ukhackers.net> wrote: > >Hi, > >eK > >The VAX Hobbyist CD contains a few layered products, but by no means all77 > >those that the Hobbyist site shows license PAKs for. B > >How have other hobbyists obtained additional layered products ?J > >Has anyone used the Compaq software loan site to do this (the agreement > >implies not) ? , > >What is the correct way top go about it ? > K > Good question, I'd like to add BASIC to the languages I make available to J > users, but currently have no easy way of getting hold of an install kit. > K I tried to contact you but it did not work. Please send me a working email s- adress, and then we can discuss the position.  ___s
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:43:15 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t( Subject: Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products' Message-ID: <3C731CA2.C83BA626@fsi.net>o   Paul Sture wrote:P > F > I have tried to contact you. Did  not work. Please send me a working > email address.  F His address shows up in the View -> Source option in Netscape, FWIW...   -- i David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 14:10:24 -0800* From: vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham)/ Subject: How to get rid of too many logfiles...l< Message-ID: <8b51ed8.0202191410.60c0789e@posting.google.com>  F I'm trying to get rid of too many logfiles. It's not a case of version? limit as the files don't go past ;1, instead the files have thev( version built in like NOT1_359950.LOG;1.  E I know backup/image/exclude will not work, can anyone suggest anothers way other than delete.   Any suggestions? victor.mendham@emeergis.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:27:55 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>3 Subject: RE: How to get rid of too many logfiles...h- Message-ID: <0033000053636266000002L062*@MHS>r   =0AOther than delete?   9 Writing a whole bunch of little files into one directory,d are we?e   $ INIT/ERASE comes to mind. :^)h  & It uses delete, but here's what we do-  * Delete stuff that's older than 15 days....? You can prefix to limit the delete, or not, to suit your needs.<   $ DELETE/NOLOG/CREATED -;   /BEFORE=3D"TODAY-15-" disk:[dir]prfx_2_lmt_the_del*.log;*o  = You could try doing a BACKUP/DELETE/CREATED to NLA0:, NL:, or 0 whatever null device name exists on your system.  A I've not done it for a while, I seem to remember that it's syntaxe3 picky about the output spec, but that it will work.    Hope this helps,   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETr( Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 5:10 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET/ Subject: How to get rid of too many logfiles...     F I'm trying to get rid of too many logfiles. It's not a case of version? limit as the files don't go past ;1, instead the files have theu( version built in like NOT1_359950.LOG;1.  E I know backup/image/exclude will not work, can anyone suggest anotherm way other than delete.   Any suggestions? victor.mendham@emeergis.com=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:34:36 -0500o1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>I3 Subject: Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles... 2 Message-ID: <3C72D2FC.C58E31C0@firstdbasource.com>  
 how about < $delete/before='f$cvtime("-30-","ABSOLUTE","DATE") NOT*.log;  ( deletes everything older than 30 days.     Vic Mendham wrote: > H > I'm trying to get rid of too many logfiles. It's not a case of versionA > limit as the files don't go past ;1, instead the files have thes* > version built in like NOT1_359950.LOG;1. > G > I know backup/image/exclude will not work, can anyone suggest another  > way other than delete. >  > Any suggestions? > victor.mendham@emeergis.como   -- m Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163t7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 04:15:07 GMTV1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n3 Subject: Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles... ' Message-ID: <3C73242C.AC124E3A@fsi.net>e   Michael Austin wrote:k >  > how abouta> > $delete/before='f$cvtime("-30-","ABSOLUTE","DATE") NOT*.log; > ( > deletes everything older than 30 days.   $ DELETE/BEFORE="-30-" filespecp   ...works, also.m   -- u David J. Dachtera> dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:12:11 +0000i, From: Peter Boyle <pboyle@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles G Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0202192009310.5877-100000@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>b  $ On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, JF Mezei wrote:   > Nick Maclaren wrote:D > > Intel will change direction before March 2003.  I doubt that theD > > McKinley will fail that spectacularly, though, and we won't knowE > > for certain whether the IA-64 line will take off, survive or flopa > > until late 2003. >lN > It is not black or white. IA64 doesn't have to fail spectacularly or succeedO > to become industry standard. Its performance may be just acceptable enough todA > continue its production. And that is probably what will happen.h > L > What IBM needs to do to kill IA64 is simply to sell Power chips to as manyN > manufacturers as possible. Power is a bit like Alpha: a great chip, but usedG > by only one manufacturer (Apple isn't really in the server business).h  D Not really in that it has a high volume low end market, and far from "just" Apple, Nintendo et al..   Peterf  O > For IBM though, it would be a strategic decision whether to try to make PowernP > "industry standard" or keep it to itself so that its servers have an edge over
 > Sun etc. >-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:38:24 GMTi/ From: Andrew Reilly <andrew@gurney.reilly.home>e Subject: Re: Itanium troubles-= Message-ID: <QlBc8.6775$Uy2.29086@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   ; On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:28:36 +1100, Terry C. Shannon wrote:l. > I would withhold comment on this until 2H02 @ > when McKinley shows up. If McKinley craters, all IPF bets are  > off.  D As opposed to what, exactly?  The triumphant return of SGI/MIPS as aD server processor vendor on the open market?  The wholesale uptake of@ SPARC?  The resurrection of Alpha around a new development team?1 Meteoric success of Hammer in enterprise servers?   I Power4 looks like a system-level part to me, so it's not going to be sold,* as an open market processor any time soon.  G I reckon things will just go as planned: everyone will be using ItaniummD processors, because that's what's there.  They might grumble becauseH they're not fast, but we'll all learn how to write new code to make themI go OK.  Doesn't matter how fast they are in comparrison to anything else.   F Besides, memory and system architecture are vastly more important thanD ISA these days, and nothing's stopping Intel from putting all of theE curly pattern-matching pre-fetch engines and whatnot into these guys.m   -- c
 Andrew Reillys   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:16:30 -0800n/ From: "Richard F. Man" <richard@imagecraft.com>e Subject: Re: Itanium troublesf. Message-ID: <3C72EADD.EA89F19C@imagecraft.com>   Andrew Reilly wrote:  = > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:28:36 +1100, Terry C. Shannon wrote:f/ > > I would withhold comment on this until 2H02 A > > when McKinley shows up. If McKinley craters, all IPF bets areh > > off. > F > As opposed to what, exactly?  The triumphant return of SGI/MIPS as aF > server processor vendor on the open market?  The wholesale uptake ofB > SPARC?  The resurrection of Alpha around a new development team?3 > Meteoric success of Hammer in enterprise servers?V >-K > Power4 looks like a system-level part to me, so it's not going to be sold , > as an open market processor any time soon. > ...2 > Andrew Reilly   - The rise of the x86-64 from Intel, of course.D   --
 // richard http://www.imagecraft.comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:13:22 GMTg4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troubles 9 Message-ID: <CSBc8.5451$ro5.1844405@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   < "Andrew Reilly" <andrew@gurney.reilly.home> wrote in message7 news:QlBc8.6775$Uy2.29086@news-server.bigpond.net.au... = > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:28:36 +1100, Terry C. Shannon wrote:s/ > > I would withhold comment on this until 2H02SA > > when McKinley shows up. If McKinley craters, all IPF bets aree > > off. > F > As opposed to what, exactly?  The triumphant return of SGI/MIPS as aF > server processor vendor on the open market?  The wholesale uptake ofB > SPARC?  The resurrection of Alpha around a new development team?3 > Meteoric success of Hammer in enterprise servers?c  L None of the above, of course. If you read the entire remark I was respondingF to, all would become evident. I suspect that McKinley will be far more respectable than Itanium...    >pK > Power4 looks like a system-level part to me, so it's not going to be soldr, > as an open market processor any time soon. >'I > I reckon things will just go as planned: everyone will be using ItaniumdF > processors, because that's what's there.  They might grumble becauseJ > they're not fast, but we'll all learn how to write new code to make themK > go OK.  Doesn't matter how fast they are in comparrison to anything else.r >aH > Besides, memory and system architecture are vastly more important thanF > ISA these days, and nothing's stopping Intel from putting all of theG > curly pattern-matching pre-fetch engines and whatnot into these guys.h >o > -- > Andrew ReillyE   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 01:35:23 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)rA Subject: RE: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime + Message-ID: <a4uugr$l4q$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>n  T In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1CC1@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,.  "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> writes: |> Bill, |> /I |> >>> Ummm.  I can do that with any group of machines, clustered or not. I |> In fact, I usually do this with my BSD servers now at upgrade time.<<<l |> oE |> So, is a particular resource is "served" to your user community by F |> system A, how do you shutdown System A for planned maint like an OSK |> upgrade without telling your users that System A will be unavailable foroJ |> some period (even if it does go quickly) while its resources are failed |> over to System   B What reseources are you talking about??  All my systems are mirror@ images so everything that's available on one is available on theD others.  While I am sure there are cases where this isn't practical,B I would imagine in the majority of locations this works just fine.  C Just like you mentioned, I may have a problem booting off users whosB never log off, but my users can do whatevert hey need to do on anyF of my servers. The worst I may have to do is play with the nameserver.   |>  J |> When System A is again back up again, how do you failback the resources; |> on System B back to System A without telling your users?   G I just make it available again and the next time a user uses the commonoG name (kind of like having a Cluster Address) he is as likely to get theb' recently returned machine as any other.M   |> CJ |> >>> Suddenly, I no longer see the advantage of a cluster over the bunch! |> of multiple machines I run.<<<  |> fC |> Each of which requires individual startup,  config, application,vC |> database, files, etc etc .. as opposed to management of a singles |> environment.   D I don't know how to break this to you, but this isn't 1978 and theseB machines aren't running Version7.  Tools exist to allow a bunch ofC similar machines, like my "cluster" to be maintained automatically.DE Change one file on the master machine and all the others get the same  change applied.-  J |>               Almost all UNIX vendors promote SSI (single system image): |> as a big advantage over managing multiple single boxes.  A Vendors make money selling systems.  That doesn't always coincidee@ with what is best for the user.  Any single anything is a singleB point of failure.  Isn't that one of the advantages of a cluster??C I'm just saying that based on your previous description, I have allC@ of the same advantages in a loosely coupled set of machines with" simple glue to hold them together.   |> tF |> Again, for smaller and/or internal environments that seldom change,  G Ummmmm.  I change considerably more than the administrative data centerd0 here (who for the moment are still running VMS).  6 |> and/or with down time relatively easy to schedule,   @ Actually, they have it easier.  Their customers are used to lessA than 24x7 operation.  My customers may be academics, but they are . much less tolerant of system non-availability.  F |>                                                    managing lots of5 |> boxes on their own may be ok for your environment.e  ' True.  Experience has shown that it is.a   |>  H |> However, large and/or dynamic environments with 24x7 mission critical/ |> shops have much more demanding requirements.   E I was just saying that based on your description, which I must assume G was somwhat simplistic, there was nothing you mentioned that I couldn'tsF without any real "clustering".  As an example, I did a rolling upgradeH from FreeBSD 4.3 to FreeBSD 4.4 on Monday morning during the meat of theF workday with no impact on my users (or even the likelyhood that any ofG them noticed!!)  And I can assure you, my users consider this operationIE 24x7 mission critical.  It's just like the "how long has your machineaB been up??" question.  If it were not for the annual power shutdownC (which is coming up again in a month) my machines would have longer A than a year uptimes.  And if you take overall system uptime, likeKF with a cluster, it could easily be unlimited.  I can roll new hardwareD in and old hardware out using the same methods I used to upgrade theA OS on Monday.  Fact is, it really is time for people here to takefC other OSes seriously.  VMS is good, but with the possible exception 1 of Windows, the others are more than good enough.s   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 21:04:56 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)fA Subject: RE: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime33 Message-ID: <FDurFhswwRaS@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  _ In article <a4uugr$l4q$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:nV > In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1CC1@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>,   >  > |> hJ > |> However, large and/or dynamic environments with 24x7 mission critical1 > |> shops have much more demanding requirements.L > G > I was just saying that based on your description, which I must assumeoI > was somwhat simplistic, there was nothing you mentioned that I couldn't H > without any real "clustering".  As an example, I did a rolling upgradeJ > from FreeBSD 4.3 to FreeBSD 4.4 on Monday morning during the meat of theH > workday with no impact on my users (or even the likelyhood that any ofI > them noticed!!)  And I can assure you, my users consider this operationHG > 24x7 mission critical.  It's just like the "how long has your machineeD > been up??" question.  If it were not for the annual power shutdownE > (which is coming up again in a month) my machines would have longeruC > than a year uptimes.  And if you take overall system uptime, like1H > with a cluster, it could easily be unlimited.  I can roll new hardwareF > in and old hardware out using the same methods I used to upgrade theC > OS on Monday.  Fact is, it really is time for people here to takerE > other OSes seriously.  VMS is good, but with the possible exceptiong3 > of Windows, the others are more than good enough.y >   < 	I think the key is 24x7 mission critical.  I wouldn't doubt@ 	you are running important stuff... but geared towards academia.0 	Editors and other neat homegrown/freeware apps.  ? 	The champions of Linux and other free Unixes get a lot of freee> 	press.  Boscovs and Burlington Coat Factory are always at the? 	top of the Linux success list.  Linux makes a great POS systema# 	and Home Depot is headed that way.,   	Burlington:  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO36621,00.htmlD http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO34011,00.html  	 	Boscovs:a  O http://www.computerworld.com/itresources/rcstory/0,4167,STO67721_KEY407,00.html-O http://www.computerworld.com/itresources/rcstory/0,4167,STO67751_KEY407,00.html.    B 	But who is using Linux for their mission critical databases?  I'mD 	asking.  I know they are out there, but there aren't many examples.> 	There is also that notable Sweden telco that now has Linux on" 	a mainframe, another big success.E 	Yes we know about Yahoo, Google, etc... notable Internet exceptions.t 	How about some Fortune 500s?w  E 	Finally, what are you using those BSD clusters for?  Read-only apps?e> 	Or do you have mission critical commercial databases on them?  B 	I'm curious as to FreeBSD successes.  ComputerWorld doesn't coughC 	any up (i.e. Corporation XYZ is using FreeBSD for blah and blech).8B 	If they are out there, they are hard to find (other than Internet 	stuff, Yahoos and the like).c   				Robi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:54:54 -0500o( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>A Subject: Re: Longest VMS _cluster_ uptime, was: Re: 1 Year uptime * Message-ID: <3C731E0E.20100@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:    L > |> >>> Suddenly, I no longer see the advantage of a cluster over the bunch# > |> of multiple machines I run.<<<o  I This is a rather circular argument, and quite meaningless.  What does it 0G matter how the water tastes on the far side of the moon, unless you're u going to be there?  D I've got over a dozen VMS systems, at least 5 powered on currently. G What one person, a software developer, needs with 5 VMS systems at the  I same time, I haven't a clue.  They're not even in a location where I can  & benefit from the heat production.  :-(  H I'm not running a cluster.  Why?  Because I don't need one.  I actually I have at least one reason not to cluster all the systems, the 'drop dead'  H system that gets re-loaded from an image backup whenever I want to wipe 1 out whatever illogical thing I've recently tried.w  D The truth is, you need your requirements met, and if they are, then H nothing else matters.  If that's an old 386 MS-DOS system, then, that's  what is required.o  I Do most VMS users need every capability in VMS?  Certainly not.  That is wF neither an endorsement nor a fault of VMS.  Nor any other environment.  I I use VMS because it does all that I need, well, usually.  I am familiar ,H with VMS, and comfortable managing my systems.  I also have the comfort < of knowing that VMS will quite likely meet any of my future H requirements, with better likelyhood than anything else out there.  Ok, F I'm a VMS bigot, but we all knew that.  I'm more comfortable with the : security of my VMS systems than I'd be with anything else.  @ I have only one complaint with Bill's arguments.  While, in his I environment, he see no advantage of running a VMS cluster, why does that $G translate so many times into "don't run VMS, run something else".  VMS aG is still the most robust, secure, scalable, reliable option available. nI Even if you don't need all the features, isn't it still advisable to use ;D the best you can get your hands on?  Why not drive the Caddy, if it # doesn't use more gas than the Yugo?d   Dave   -- ,4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:50:16 -0300 (BRT), From: valdemir-@uol.com.br Subject: MicroVAX Crash 4 Message-ID: <200202192250.TAA16338@wilde.uol.com.br>   Please, see this case:  =  A MicroVAX3100/95, OpenVMS 5.5-2H4 installled, 7 DS-RZ1DF-VWk  B  disks, SCSI; When I try restore a RDB database from a magtape,=20  >  (using the command RMU/RESTORE), the system crash. Nothing is  ?  logged in operator.log, nothin is founded using analyze/crash.D  &  What=B4s happening with this system ?    Thanks in advance...f =20l   =20M   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:24:47 -0500-1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m Subject: Re: MicroVAX Crashd2 Message-ID: <3C72ECCF.F2B9D920@firstdbasource.com>   valdemir-@uol.com.br wrote:0 >  > Please, see this case: > ? >  A MicroVAX3100/95, OpenVMS 5.5-2H4 installled, 7 DS-RZ1DF-VW  > A >  disks, SCSI; When I try restore a RDB database from a magtape,  > @ >  (using the command RMU/RESTORE), the system crash. Nothing is > A >  logged in operator.log, nothin is founded using analyze/crash.  > & >  Whats happening with this system ? >  >  Thanks in advance...f >   G The version of Rdb would be significant here as well as the tape deviceyG being used.  Check to make sure you have enough quotas.  What is in theo crash dump file?     >    -- h Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163a7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.coma Sr. Consultant   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:24:54 -0500n  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: MicroVAX Crasht6 Message-ID: <1020219232126.22893A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  / On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 valdemir-@uol.com.br wrote:i   > Please, see this case: >=20? >  A MicroVAX3100/95, OpenVMS 5.5-2H4 installled, 7 DS-RZ1DF-VWv >=20  ; How big are these disks?  VMS <6.0 max disk size is 8.38 GBa (2**24 blocks, 16777216 blocks)i   (See the fine FAQ.)a    D >  disks, SCSI; When I try restore a RDB database from a magtape,=20 >=20@ >  (using the command RMU/RESTORE), the system crash. Nothing is >=20A >  logged in operator.log, nothin is founded using analyze/crash.h >=20( >  What=B4s happening with this system ? >=20 >  Thanks in advance...          --=20o John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 19:49:35 -0800" From: VMSfan@hotmail.com (VMS Fan)/ Subject: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization = Message-ID: <d0a53e6e.0202191949.414db996@posting.google.com>v  A Users of HP's e3000 and MPE/iX have banded together to form a news? organization aimed at prolonging the life of the platform.  Seee http://www.openmpe.org/u  D Unfortunately, two of the most intuitively obvious alternatives have# already been ruled out by HP.  Fromr4 http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OpenBoard-02Feb.html:  @ "R&D manager Dave Wilde of the HP 3000 division said that HP has@ 'pruned' out the suggestions of selling the division in total or) making MPE a fully Open Sourced project."l --- - "Rumors of my death are greatly exacerbated."f!                            -- VMS  (with apologies to Mark Twain)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:29:30 +1200 & From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj>% Subject: RE: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1fG Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155D8@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ>   . a)  This what I got after executing rmonstart.   @sys$startup:rmonstart< %REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 0< %REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 0B %REGISTER-I-DUP RDMXSMP, (RDMXSMP, RDB V7.0-1) already in registry< %REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 11 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DTI$SHAREu% -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not founds* $1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DTI$SHARE EXE;    b)     dir sys$library:dti$share(        %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  L I reinstalled VMS but to no avail.  I even copy  that file from another node@ and execute rmonstart and message I got is to install the image.  8 This where I got the error when set verify on rmonstart.   $ START_MON:- $       RMU/MONITOR START /OUTPUT=RDM$MONITORs1 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DTI$SHARE % -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not foundy* $1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DTI$SHARE EXE;          -----Original Message-----e3 From: 	Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotmail.c0m]  * Sent:	Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:50 AM To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % Subject:	Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-10   Hi,   ) What is the secondary error message(s)???a   If you do a :-   $dir sys$library:dti$share   What does it say?r    K As others have pointed out, you could possibly copy just that shareable andTI install it or worst comes to worst re-install VMS and is should reappear.v Maybe someone has deleted it?e  I My best guess is still that it's just not installed but you're not givingr away too much.  K Out of curiosity if rmonstart lets you set verify, what image is it runningi when you get the error?l   Regards Richard Maher.  1 A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in messagesA news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155C5@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ....
 > Richard, >nK > How can I install DECdtm? Do I have to re-install VMS or can just installs$ > DECdtm?  Where can I find the kit.- > I'm abit new to VMS.. excuse me for asking.e > Thanks >  > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotmail.c0m]o) > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:56 PM, > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr' > Subject: Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1h >  > Hi,n* > It's part of DECdtm that comes with VMS.G > What's the secondary error? "Prot shareables must be installed"? Then 
 > install it.-) > INSTALL> lis sys$library:dti$share/full-- > DISK$OPENVMS062:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXEmH >    DTI$SHARE;1      Open Hdr Shar     Prot Lnkbl                Nopurg( >         Entry access count         = 1, >         Current / Maximum shared   = 2 / 4( >         Global section count       = 3 >4 >B > Regards Richard Maher.3 > A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in messageiC > news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155BC@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ...a
 > > Hi All > > 2 > > I'm using Oracle RDB V 7.0-1 on OpenVMS v7.2-1 > >rK > > When I execute @sys$startup:rmonstart to start RDB, I got the following  > > error msg; > >y$ > > error activating image DTI$SHARE > >eG > > Where can I get this image file? Do I have to install another layerh
 > product? > > If so which one? > >> > > Need your help > >d > > AB > >y > >l > >  > >r >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:36:10 +1200A& From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj>% Subject: RE: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1aG Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155D9@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ>c  J The following are the products installed on this alpha machine and I'm the only one working on it.I  < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEe< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.2-1   Full LP     Installedo9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    Installedi9 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-10            Full LP     Installedn9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Installedi: ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------      -----Original Message-----h3 From: 	Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotmail.c0m] v* Sent:	Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:50 AM To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % Subject:	Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1u   Hi,t  ) What is the secondary error message(s)???s   If you do a :-   $dir sys$library:dti$share   What does it say?   K As others have pointed out, you could possibly copy just that shareable andsI install it or worst comes to worst re-install VMS and is should reappear.s Maybe someone has deleted it?a  I My best guess is still that it's just not installed but you're not givings away too much.  K Out of curiosity if rmonstart lets you set verify, what image is it runninge when you get the error?i   Regards Richard Maher.  1 A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in messagesA news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155C5@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ...s
 > Richard, > K > How can I install DECdtm? Do I have to re-install VMS or can just installa$ > DECdtm?  Where can I find the kit.- > I'm abit new to VMS.. excuse me for asking.t > Thanks >t > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotmail.c0m] ) > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:56 PMa > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma' > Subject: Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1r >h > Hi,a* > It's part of DECdtm that comes with VMS.G > What's the secondary error? "Prot shareables must be installed"? Thena
 > install it. ) > INSTALL> lis sys$library:dti$share/fullu- > DISK$OPENVMS062:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXE H >    DTI$SHARE;1      Open Hdr Shar     Prot Lnkbl                Nopurg( >         Entry access count         = 1, >         Current / Maximum shared   = 2 / 4( >         Global section count       = 3 >r >v > Regards Richard Maher.3 > A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in messagegC > news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155BC@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ...v
 > > Hi All > >d2 > > I'm using Oracle RDB V 7.0-1 on OpenVMS v7.2-1 > >rK > > When I execute @sys$startup:rmonstart to start RDB, I got the following  > > error msg; > >c$ > > error activating image DTI$SHARE > >sG > > Where can I get this image file? Do I have to install another layerM
 > product? > > If so which one? > >o > > Need your help > >y > > AB > >e > >  > >y > >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:18:58 +1200t& From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> Subject: Oracle RDB v7.0-1G Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155E3@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ>o   This is what I did.... i  B a)	transfer a copy of dti$share from another node which is running
 openvms 7.1-2vG b)	apply this command to install the image  (my machine runs on openvms  7.2-1) 			install add /open/share/protw7 c)	execute rmonstart and it works.... no error message.o1 			I could see RDMS_Monitor when I do show systemr  ! Now I've got another problem.....S  = When invoking the database I got the following error message;s  = 	%GSR-E-DB-UNKNOWN, database is not known to specified engine   	 Need helpc   thanks   AB a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:14:09 -0800h% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>n0 Subject: Re: OT: Humour - Capitalism Enron style) Message-ID: <3C72EA51.B7EC1727@rdrop.com>-   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > ; > OK, I think I understand now.  Just one question, though.g > ' > Who gets to keep the seventeen cows??,  H All twenty were sold to cover the board of directors' golden parachutes.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:39:19 GMTd1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>E0 Subject: Re: OT: Humour - Capitalism Enron style' Message-ID: <3C731BB6.E1023384@fsi.net>r   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:n > 3 > Noone, but the tax payers have to pay for them...r >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >o= > > OK, I think I understand now.  Just one question, though.t > >h) > > Who gets to keep the seventeen cows??' > >   9 Oh, I get it: we get to pay for the twenty(20) cows, huh?g   -- e David J. Dachtera3 dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:15:37 +0100 ) From: labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr>jF Subject: Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare) Message-ID: <3C72B269.82C5C71@wanadoo.fr>w   Czajanek wrote:g  9 > Until yet there is no possibility in TCPWARE to trigger 5 > the performance of our OpenVMS Advanced Server like 6 > "$ucx set prot /tcp=noacknoledge" or something else.7 > Therefore our client users report a very slow server.e >t6 > The compaq support told us in setting this parameter: > will increase the performance from the "Advanced Server"* > about 200%. But we have TCPWARE not UCX. >t< > The TCPWARE Support said: The application have to set thisB > parameter. Our drivers and ip-stacks are capable to accept this. >a: > Now we are sitting between two chairs playing Ping-Pong. >iH > Shall we trash our OpenVMS-Platforms??? going to Microtrash or Linux?? >t >  > -- > Hope we get help!! > 
 > U. Czajaneks > SCHOLZE Ing. GmbHF   Helloe   Could you add a few detailsu& Platform (Alpha, Vax , Itanium :^)...)
 Vms Version ?H Advanced server Version ?y I suppose you mean ucx set proto tcp /nodelayE But according to circonstances, this is not the only thing that helpsm performance.   RegardsT   Grard   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Feb 2002 18:19:12 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)e  Subject: Re: print on OCE copier0 Message-ID: <a4u4v0$o0h$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  W In article <3C72738E.861C1F53@sema.fr>, Serge ZANGHERI <serge.zangheri@sema.fr> writes:t: >is it possible to print from vax-vms to copier OCE 3155 ?  N We print to an OCE color copier (with an attached box from Fiery) via MultinetE LPD just fine. I don't know whether your copier is something similar.s   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannt  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 18:43:07 -0800" From: VMSfan@hotmail.com (VMS Fan). Subject: Profitability and the survival of VMS= Message-ID: <d0a53e6e.0202191843.53f77e91@posting.google.com>r  C I've often seen the profitability of VMS presented here as a reasone@ why Compaq wouldn't possibly kill it.  Unfortunately, it appearsB profitability wasn't enough to save the HP e3000 and MPE/iX.  It's? also interesting that HP apparently had a policy of refusing toe3 release any data as to the products' profitability.y  8 From http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OnExtra68-01Nov.html  & A system even profits couldn't protect& --------------------------------------F During the past few years the mantra of "but it's a profitable productC line" was often invoked by HP 3000 customers.  HP was measuring the F prospects for the product in other ways, according to comments from HPA CSY General Manager Winston Prather.  The decision was sparked by D CSY's estimation of the strength of the partner community, an entity it calls "the ecosystem."n  ; As usual, Prather couldn't comment on whether the mantra of8A profitability in recent years was true.  But he did say that "ThesB profitability of the product line was not part of why we made thisA decision.  So whether we were losing money or making money, we're > trying to figure out what is the right thing for customers andC predicting the future.  This wasn't a balance sheet decision.  ThisvB was a 'what's the right thing for customers' decision.  To be realF honest, we just rolled an entire new product line -- and it would haveE been financially better for us to sell them for a year before we madee@ a decision like this."  HP hopes to sell its A-Class and N-Class computers for two more years.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:43:02 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS, Message-ID: <3C731B36.75A62919@videotron.ca>   VMS Fan wrote: > E > I've often seen the profitability of VMS presented here as a reason B > why Compaq wouldn't possibly kill it.  Unfortunately, it appearsD > profitability wasn't enough to save the HP e3000 and MPE/iX.  It'sA > also interesting that HP apparently had a policy of refusing toa5 > release any data as to the products' profitability.   K Don't let the exact same circumstances lead you to believe that VMS has therD same fate as MPE. The VMS engineers had told us that VMS is safe and4 generating new sales so we have no reasons to worry.  K Besides, if Carly has already decided to kill VMS, then there is nothing we3M can do, and it is pointless to worry about it until the announcement is made..   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 22:31:02 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS3 Message-ID: <uLXVUgAH2guH@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  b In article <d0a53e6e.0202191843.53f77e91@posting.google.com>, VMSfan@hotmail.com (VMS Fan) writes:E > I've often seen the profitability of VMS presented here as a reason B > why Compaq wouldn't possibly kill it.  Unfortunately, it appearsD > profitability wasn't enough to save the HP e3000 and MPE/iX.  It'sA > also interesting that HP apparently had a policy of refusing toM5 > release any data as to the products' profitability.V > : > From http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OnExtra68-01Nov.html > ( > A system even profits couldn't protect( > --------------------------------------H > During the past few years the mantra of "but it's a profitable productE > line" was often invoked by HP 3000 customers.  HP was measuring the H > prospects for the product in other ways, according to comments from HPC > CSY General Manager Winston Prather.  The decision was sparked byhF > CSY's estimation of the strength of the partner community, an entity > it calls "the ecosystem."1 > = > As usual, Prather couldn't comment on whether the mantra of C > profitability in recent years was true.  But he did say that "The2D > profitability of the product line was not part of why we made thisC > decision.  So whether we were losing money or making money, we're @ > trying to figure out what is the right thing for customers andE > predicting the future.  This wasn't a balance sheet decision.  ThisSD > was a 'what's the right thing for customers' decision.  To be realH > honest, we just rolled an entire new product line -- and it would haveG > been financially better for us to sell them for a year before we made0B > a decision like this."  HP hopes to sell its A-Class and N-Class > computers for two more years.n    > 	All well and good.  Was there ever any reasonable or ballpark= 	numbers attached to MPE profitability and/or installed base?2; 	(I recall installed base numbers, but never anything aboute< 	profits).  The reason I ask, is ... are they getting rid ofA 	a $800 million dollar profit center?  $600 million?  $3 million?   C 	The newspaper the other day had an article about DuPont looking tobB 	divest themselves of their Lycra (nylon) division.  A 5-6 billion? 	dollar segment whose growth has tailed off and is facing stifflA 	competition from overseas.  If they hope to sell it, they betterlB 	sell it while it is still profitable.  Key in all these decisionsC 	is "when?"  Can't answer... timing such a thing is brutal business05 	economics for sure and they must be close at DuPont.v  @ 	Now the question is... Gartner is crowing -once again- .. maybeA 	if they crow long enough, they get it right.  The problem in all-A 	this is of course VMS is still making large sums of money as the < 	rebuttal to Gartner hints at and others have been told.  If= 	Compaq divests of VMS (nonsense), they lose a profit center.   B 	DuPont's hope is to concentrate on 4-5 growth engines.  DuPont isC 	hurting of late and Wall Street has been battering.  A $25 billionVB 	U.S. company that is groping for a future growth engine.  ScienceA 	is their theme... maybe they pull it off.  But if they divest ofpC 	Lycra too soon (it is still making money), they lose profits, takeiD 	a hit laying off (severence, early retirement).. again.. very toughA 	business decision.  I suspect the decision to kill MPE was a lot1= 	easier.  The numbers probably aren't there (or are there forA$ 	axing) and they did the dirty deed.   				RobM   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 22:38:01 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)n2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS3 Message-ID: <4OlstW0jjp4S@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <uLXVUgAH2guH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:_   > D > 	DuPont's hope is to concentrate on 4-5 growth engines.  DuPont isE > 	hurting of late and Wall Street has been battering.  A $25 billion1D > 	U.S. company that is groping for a future growth engine.  ScienceC > 	is their theme... maybe they pull it off.  But if they divest of E > 	Lycra too soon (it is still making money), they lose profits, take F > 	a hit laying off (severence, early retirement).. again.. very tough > 	business decision.  f  9 	Major correction here... if they divest (sell the entirey> 	division) they don't suffer nearly as much.  The hope is theyD 	sell it at a profit or gain cash in the exchange so it may actuallyB 	be a very good thing as they may get several billion for the saleD 	and shield themselves from having to layoff , severence, retirement) 	costs (employees go to the new company).t   				Robu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:09:41 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>f2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS, Message-ID: <3C732F7D.CCB78621@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:B >         Major correction here... if they divest (sell the entireG >         division) they don't suffer nearly as much.  The hope is they M >         sell it at a profit or gain cash in the exchange so it may actuallyiK >         be a very good thing as they may get several billion for the sale M >         and shield themselves from having to layoff , severence, retirement 2 >         costs (employees go to the new company).  L Much more likely that they will sell the employees and intellectual property: than selling the OS as a product. They then gain an allie.  G If they sell the OS as a viable product, they gain a competitor who mayt- succeed in stealing the profitable customers.c  K Ask yourself what is the value of Tru64 and MPE right now since they are on 3 dead end platforms and declared essentially dead ? h  H HP gains access to the clustering and TCP technologies and access to theK experienced employees who would make a difference. Those have probably been E given hefty bonuses to not only stay at Compaq/HP but also prortitutee* themselves to defend the companies' plans.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 23:09:06 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS3 Message-ID: <qlrYXXqIesv3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <d0a53e6e.0202191843.53f77e91@posting.google.com>, VMSfan@hotmail.com (VMS Fan) writes:E > I've often seen the profitability of VMS presented here as a reasonlB > why Compaq wouldn't possibly kill it.  Unfortunately, it appearsD > profitability wasn't enough to save the HP e3000 and MPE/iX.  It'sA > also interesting that HP apparently had a policy of refusing to-5 > release any data as to the products' profitability.- > : > From http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OnExtra68-01Nov.html > ( > A system even profits couldn't protect( > --------------------------------------H > During the past few years the mantra of "but it's a profitable productE > line" was often invoked by HP 3000 customers.  HP was measuring thenH > prospects for the product in other ways, according to comments from HPC > CSY General Manager Winston Prather.  The decision was sparked bysF > CSY's estimation of the strength of the partner community, an entity > it calls "the ecosystem."5 > = > As usual, Prather couldn't comment on whether the mantra ofVC > profitability in recent years was true.  But he did say that "TheuD > profitability of the product line was not part of why we made thisC > decision.  So whether we were losing money or making money, we'res@ > trying to figure out what is the right thing for customers andE > predicting the future.  This wasn't a balance sheet decision.  ThisaD > was a 'what's the right thing for customers' decision.  To be realH > honest, we just rolled an entire new product line -- and it would haveG > been financially better for us to sell them for a year before we madeeB > a decision like this."  HP hopes to sell its A-Class and N-Class > computers for two more years.   6 	Can I have another go at this from a different angle?  9 	Stealing a line .... reminds me of a Clinton saying fromn= 	recent history:  "For the chilrun"  Meaning, let's set asidehA 	reason and hold to a cause.  Never mind business sense, "we lovet@ 	our customers so much we want to do what is absolutely best forC 	them."  BARF!  That doesn't work from a couple angles and I'm sure.= 	the MPE folks have some opinion... how about a few wrinkles:   = 		1)  If they didn't want to be on MPE , they would have leftT 			it long ago.t  ; 		2)  It will affect your balance sheet one way or another,6/ 			to say you are ignoring the balance sheet is . 			disingenuous at best.  You are in business.  @ 		3)  What about customers spending large sums of money to come : 			off major MPE custom applications that have worked well2 			for a couple decades.  OH... I GET it!  As long$ 			as it isn't *your* balance sheet!  ; 		4)  The hope is to save as many as they can and keep themS4 			as HP customers.  The real downer is a percentage' 			will go away mad , like this fellow:h    ) http://news.com.com/2100-1001-275878.htmlB  M "In my agency within the U.S. Department of Defense, we make extensive use ofEL HP 3000 systems," said Tim O'Neill, of the U.S. Army's Aberdeen Test Center.N "One certainty for our agency is that if they eliminate the 3000, we will then% act to eliminate our 9000s as well.  -  O "If HP thinks we will 'migrate' from MPE to HP-UX, they are mistaken," he said,AI referring to the operating systems associated with the two server lines. 9  A 	Sour grapes on his part?  Maybe he isn't relishing all the extrai7 	work ($$$) involved to come off MPE.  See 3) above.   c   				Robg   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:28:59 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS, Message-ID: <3C733402.1AE866D9@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:O > "In my agency within the U.S. Department of Defense, we make extensive use oflN > HP 3000 systems," said Tim O'Neill, of the U.S. Army's Aberdeen Test Center.P > "One certainty for our agency is that if they eliminate the 3000, we will then% > act to eliminate our 9000s as well.m > Q > "If HP thinks we will 'migrate' from MPE to HP-UX, they are mistaken," he said,eJ > referring to the operating systems associated with the two server lines.    M But surely the USA military would have signed DII-COE contracts for those MPEe3 system to garantee their availability for X years ?h   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 23:38:48 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS3 Message-ID: <qQ5hXikkJCvt@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  \ In article <3C733402.1AE866D9@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:P >> "In my agency within the U.S. Department of Defense, we make extensive use ofO >> HP 3000 systems," said Tim O'Neill, of the U.S. Army's Aberdeen Test Center.pQ >> "One certainty for our agency is that if they eliminate the 3000, we will then,& >> act to eliminate our 9000s as well. >> yR >> "If HP thinks we will 'migrate' from MPE to HP-UX, they are mistaken," he said,K >> referring to the operating systems associated with the two server lines.e >  > O > But surely the USA military would have signed DII-COE contracts for those MPEf5 > system to garantee their availability for X years ?g       				Rob.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 23:51:25 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS3 Message-ID: <AVlcjXulm5ps@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  \ In article <3C733402.1AE866D9@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:P >> "In my agency within the U.S. Department of Defense, we make extensive use ofO >> HP 3000 systems," said Tim O'Neill, of the U.S. Army's Aberdeen Test Center.sQ >> "One certainty for our agency is that if they eliminate the 3000, we will thena& >> act to eliminate our 9000s as well. >> nR >> "If HP thinks we will 'migrate' from MPE to HP-UX, they are mistaken," he said,K >> referring to the operating systems associated with the two server lines.  >  > O > But surely the USA military would have signed DII-COE contracts for those MPEo5 > system to garantee their availability for X years ?c  F 	Nary a sign of actual work of getting COE on MPE, nor hits on HP web I 	sites, nor mention in comp.sys.hp.mpe... but does it matter?  Maybe we 	-E 	can speculate about: "what if MPE was DII-COE compliant and someone n" 	has a signed contract somewhere."   				Robp   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:38:15 GMTn* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMSB Message-ID: <rvHc8.116140$Re2.9858038@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C732F7D.CCB78621@videotron.ca...   ...p  J > HP gains access to the clustering and TCP technologies and access to theH > experienced employees who would make a difference. Those have probably beenG > given hefty bonuses to not only stay at Compaq/HP but also prortitute , > themselves to defend the companies' plans.  L That last comment was *way* out of line (if it referred to technical people, as it appeared to).r   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:34:39 -0700o+ From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com> " Subject: Question for Backup Gurus1 Message-ID: <3C72A8CF.B91D0DCF@email.sps.mot.com>l   I had a TL891 on a 3 node cluster (Alpha O/S v6.2-1H3) get hanged when the backup batch job went into a RWAST state. The backup was a simple image backup.  At the same time a disk started acting erratically, which is totally unrelated. The following is the problem resolution. Isi this possible? I didn't know that the backup utility deleted files. How can you determine this condition?i  c ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------x) The node was rebooted to clear the RWAST.o   "Problem resolved on Feb. 12th. Tape drive accessible, RWAST process cleared, BACKUP1 diskspace retrieved (a deleted file was being held by  the RWAST process.)sd ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   FYI. The TL891 worked one night and then got hanged again by the backup batch job going into a RWAST state. This time, my login process also7 went into a RWAST state, but eventually cleared itself.e   Thanks!e Lindaa   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:34:58 +0100s) From: labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr> & Subject: Re: Question for Backup Gurus* Message-ID: <3C72A8E2.8FD1B27C@wanadoo.fr>   Linda Luik wrote:i   > I had a TL891 on a 3 node cluster (Alpha O/S v6.2-1H3) get hanged when the backup batch job went into a RWAST state. The backup was a simple > image backup.  At the same time a disk started acting erratically, which is totally unrelated. The following is the problem resolution. Isk > this possible? I didn't know that the backup utility deleted files. How can you determine this condition?s >oe > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------o+ > The node was rebooted to clear the RWAST.a >  > "Problem resolved on Feb. 12th. Tape drive accessible, RWAST process cleared, BACKUP1 diskspace retrieved (a deleted file was being held byr > the RWAST process.)ef > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >  > FYI. The TL891 worked one night and then got hanged again by the backup batch job going into a RWAST state. This time, my login process also9 > went into a RWAST state, but eventually cleared itself.e >r	 > Thanks!l > Lindao   Hellot  N You should check that the account running Backup had correct quotas, according' to the doc, see this mirror for examplerF http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/docs/openvms073/v73/6017/6017pro_045.html  
 Search for^ Table 11-4 Recommended Process Quotas for Efficient Backups Process Quota  Recommended Setting   It would have been interesting to look at the Rwast process a little more in Sda, in order to understand why it was in this state .i   Regardss   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:45:22 -050002 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Semaphoresw. Message-ID: <3C72B962.DE75E806@mindspring.com>   Paul Parsons wrote:r  J > I'm trying to port some code from Solaris to VMS and it involves the useJ > of semaphores to prevent more than one user from accessing a resource at > the same time.  @ Solaris actually supports two different semaphore architectures:> the SVR4 semaphores (considered the heavier-weight semaphores)D and the Posix semaphores (considered the lighter-weight semaphores).C While they can often be used interchangeably, you may find that the A Posix semaphores require no porting. (I'm not familiar with whiche9 Posix functions are currently supported on VMS.) The SVR4r4 semaphores will require some porting effort, though.   Atlant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:18:30 GMTh- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>t Subject: Re: Semaphores * Message-ID: <3C731812.5060702@qsl.network>   Paul Parsons wrote:eJ > I'm trying to port some code from Solaris to VMS and it involves the useJ > of semaphores to prevent more than one user from accessing a resource at > the same time. > ; > Can anybody suggest, please, how this can be done in VMS?rB > Obviously some examples would be useful too, if you know of any.  G Use of the SYS$ENQW and friends may do the job, as could any number of  2 other techniques in the OpenVMS manuals mentioned.  E However it may be a savings to review why the UN*X code is doing the dH locking.  If it is being done to prevent contention to a file, then you E might be able to just ignore the semaphores and use the file sharing a options on the file open.   I Alternatively but only a little more work is involved with using the RMS aG calls directly so that you can control record locking.  It is probably (I posible to use macros or small wrapper procedures to make them even more   C friendly.    -Johne wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:51:25 -0500y2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: SemaphoresnJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-1902022351250001@1cust89.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  I In article <xscHSXg$icPa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.neth (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:    F >But remember that like many synchronization methods, the Lock ManagerD >is only effective with cooperating pieces of software.  If you needD >something to prevent malicious users from writing their own program: >to spoil things, it will take more than the Lock Manager.  " The "disuser" flag works for that.   :-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 05:19:07 +0000 (UTC)r, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> Subject: Re: Semaphoresn1 Message-ID: <a4vbkb$ioa$1@knossos.btinternet.com>i  6 John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message$ news:3C731812.5060702@qsl.network... > Paul Parsons wrote:VL > > I'm trying to port some code from Solaris to VMS and it involves the useL > > of semaphores to prevent more than one user from accessing a resource at > > the same time. > > = > > Can anybody suggest, please, how this can be done in VMS?eD > > Obviously some examples would be useful too, if you know of any. >oH > Use of the SYS$ENQW and friends may do the job, as could any number of4 > other techniques in the OpenVMS manuals mentioned. >	F > However it may be a savings to review why the UN*X code is doing theI > locking.  If it is being done to prevent contention to a file, then youiF > might be able to just ignore the semaphores and use the file sharing > options on the file open.g >gJ > Alternatively but only a little more work is involved with using the RMSH > calls directly so that you can control record locking.  It is probablyJ > posible to use macros or small wrapper procedures to make them even more
 > C friendly.  >t > -Johnn > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Onlyh >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 05:25:50 +0000 (UTC)s, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m> Subject: Re: Semaphoresv1 Message-ID: <a4vc0u$j6j$1@knossos.btinternet.com>b   Hi,   L Someone told me recently that the ppl$ library source is now on the freewareL cd. Maybe that's worth a look to see how they implemented semaphores. BinaryI an Counting IIRC. And if someone already knows and would like to telL me,s that would be great.   Regards Richard Maherd  6 John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message$ news:3C731812.5060702@qsl.network... > Paul Parsons wrote:uL > > I'm trying to port some code from Solaris to VMS and it involves the useL > > of semaphores to prevent more than one user from accessing a resource at > > the same time. > >s= > > Can anybody suggest, please, how this can be done in VMS? D > > Obviously some examples would be useful too, if you know of any. > H > Use of the SYS$ENQW and friends may do the job, as could any number of4 > other techniques in the OpenVMS manuals mentioned. >mF > However it may be a savings to review why the UN*X code is doing theI > locking.  If it is being done to prevent contention to a file, then you F > might be able to just ignore the semaphores and use the file sharing > options on the file open.h >wJ > Alternatively but only a little more work is involved with using the RMSH > calls directly so that you can control record locking.  It is probablyJ > posible to use macros or small wrapper procedures to make them even more
 > C friendly.o >e > -Johns > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Onlyy >e   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Feb 2002 22:20:58 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)dU Subject: Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (b+ Message-ID: <a4uj4a$fma$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   ) In article <3C72ACD0.1CDB6F93@cisco.com>, (  J Ahlstrom <jahlstro@cisco.com> writes: |> -I |>                                       and most recently discovered theeM |> >singular "they"  in C. S. Lewis' *The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe*.gE |> >That example was along the lines of "everyone had what THEY liked0J |> >best to eat."  If it's good enough for CSL--no mean stylist--it's good |> >enough for me.  C Maybe i shouldn't have slept through all those english classes, butdB I read the above as "everyone" being plural, not singular and THEY@ as agreeing with it.  Surely 'every" implies more than just one.   bill, (Who doesn't claim to be an english expert.)     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:26:18 -0800s# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> U Subject: RE: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (s9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMENLECAA.tom@kednos.com>i   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu]* > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:21 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml@ > Subject: Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus > experienced veterans ( >a >o+ > In article <3C72ACD0.1CDB6F93@cisco.com>,h* >  J Ahlstrom <jahlstro@cisco.com> writes: > |>K > |>                                       and most recently discovered thei@ > |> >singular "they"  in C. S. Lewis' *The Lion, the Witch, and > the Wardrobe*.G > |> >That example was along the lines of "everyone had what THEY likedaL > |> >best to eat."  If it's good enough for CSL--no mean stylist--it's good > |> >enough for me. >rE > Maybe i shouldn't have slept through all those english classes, butsD > I read the above as "everyone" being plural, not singular and THEYB > as agreeing with it.  Surely 'every" implies more than just one. >o Yes.3 No.  It is a collective. :->  It is all, all is it.n > bill. > (Who doesn't claim to be an english expert.) >  >e > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:51:45 -0800l% From: J Ahlstrom <jahlstro@cisco.com>aY Subject: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Ther) Message-ID: <3C72ACD0.1CDB6F93@cisco.com>s   Joe Pfeiffer wrote:    > F > ``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functionalE > name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why do G > these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist thantF > the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''B > is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward. >h >  --snip snip > --> > Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D.       Phone -- (505) 646-1605> > Department of Computer Science       FAX   -- (505) 646-1002G > New Mexico State University          http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeifferhO > Southwestern NM Regional Science and Engr Fair:  http://www.nmsu.edu/~scifairw   From alt.usage.english:P  A >I was therefore DELIGHTED a few years back to read a fascinatingsN >article (the citation, alas, escapes me)  that listed examples  of the use ofM >"they" and "their" as third person singular in Thackeray, Dickens, Carlisle,bD >Shakespeare, and Shaw--and several other luminaries I've forgotten.C >Since then, I've kept an eye out, and most recently discovered the.J >singular "they"  in C. S. Lewis' *The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe*.B >That example was along the lines of "everyone had what THEY likedG >best to eat."  If it's good enough for CSL--no mean stylist--it's goody >enough for me.O >i >Elizabeth Vandivers     JKA    I love language change; it's language changes I can't stand.m     --, The first ten amendments to the constitution+ are what make this a country worth fightingm+ for.  Ignorance and apathy are what make it" so difficult to defend.o      Jack Barone  2 You do not preserve freedom by destroying freedom.      Eric Greent   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 13:39:59 -08002 From: lee.gleason@halliburton.com (Lee K. Gleason)! Subject: Re: SORT to indexed fileb= Message-ID: <a74ee7e6.0202191339.4916f1dc@posting.google.com>g  D This talk about bad file design reminds me of my first computer job,E where the star programmer announced that his application had to have iG an RMS-11 indexed file, with a 512 byte record, 510 bytes of which were F the primary key, the remaining two bytes being the data portion of the record.   I   This being on an 11/70 with RM03 drives (fast for the time, not so fastsI in any absolute sense), performance accessing that file was ...leisurely.3    E   This programmer then announces he had to run an update on the file, ? said file already completely filling one RM03 drive, the updateeB required the other drive for scratch space, and the output went toH a TU16 tape drive...I stayed for days, getting up once an hour to changeI tapes on output, then do the same to read the tapes back in. Why I didn'to kill the guy, I'll never know.   Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR Control-G Consultants2 lgleason@houston.rr.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:27:45 +0100s) From: labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr>i@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?* Message-ID: <3C72A731.DA742997@wanadoo.fr>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:   1 > At 11:11 AM 2/19/2002, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:f > >David B Sneddon wrote:  > >f
 > >>Hi Folks,s > >>E > >>Whilst looking through STARLET.REQ the other day, I came across aeE > >>reference to SS$_FISH.  I determined the value (decimal 2928) anda* > >>did "$ exit 2928" to see the following > >>1 > >>%SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels  >y  I I recently discovered that with a Tcpip 5 (.0 or .1), you can use the Sdat extension, and don  	 $ ana/sys  tcpip show bug tcpip sh crash   I let you see the results...   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:27:50 -0500l1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>s@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?2 Message-ID: <3C72A736.1A8785F0@firstdbasource.com>  F I seem to remember from the early days when DECNET was being developedF there was a status message for an "impossible" condition (as the storyH goes) that Ken Olsen got when demonstrating DECNET for the press or some! other dignitaries.  The message??D  
 %DECNET-F-NFWe   you figure it out the text....   --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #26116327 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com  Sr. Consultant   Dan O'Reilly wrote:a > 1 > At 11:11 AM 2/19/2002, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:e > >David B Sneddon wrote:r > >y
 > >>Hi Folks,  > >>E > >>Whilst looking through STARLET.REQ the other day, I came across asE > >>reference to SS$_FISH.  I determined the value (decimal 2928) andl* > >>did "$ exit 2928" to see the following > >>1 > >>%SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels- > >>' > >>This only appears to be Alpha V7.3. / > >>Any one have any idea what it is all about?jE > >>(Good to see that someone at Compaq still has a sense of humour.)s > >> > >>Regards,	 > >>Dave.aK > >There used to be a substitute message file from years past that could betH > >used to replace a majority of the system messages, typically on AprilH > >Fools Day.  It was fun and funny for a day or two but hot its obvious9 > >draw-backs...  Anyone remember where that file is/was?' > L > No, but I remember in Datatrieve, if you used the line "AT MIDDLE OF PAGE"I > (instead of "AT BOTTOM OF PAGE" or "AT TOP OF PAGE"), you would get the-K > message: '"At middle of page" is innovative, but, alas, illegal'.  One of 5 > my favorites (along with the embedded Wombat lore).R >  > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+WK > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |-K > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | K > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |tK > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |tK > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:39:41 -0500c1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>A@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?2 Message-ID: <3C72A9FD.441D7FE4@firstdbasource.com>   Now That is funny!!!   labadie wrote: >  > Dan O'Reilly wrote:i > 3 > > At 11:11 AM 2/19/2002, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:t > > >David B Sneddon wrote:a > > >e > > >>Hi Folks,i > > >>G > > >>Whilst looking through STARLET.REQ the other day, I came across auG > > >>reference to SS$_FISH.  I determined the value (decimal 2928) and-, > > >>did "$ exit 2928" to see the following > > >>3 > > >>%SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eelsw > >b > K > I recently discovered that with a Tcpip 5 (.0 or .1), you can use the Sdas > extension, and doc >  > $ ana/sysi > tcpip show bug > tcpip sh crash >  > I let you see the results... > 	 > Regards- >  > Grard   -- - Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163-7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.come Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)n 704-236-4377 (Mobile)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:50:21 +0100e) From: labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr>l@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?* Message-ID: <3C72AC7D.1D38B0BD@wanadoo.fr>   David B Sneddon wrote:   > Hi Folks,s >gC > Whilst looking through STARLET.REQ the other day, I came across aRC > reference to SS$_FISH.  I determined the value (decimal 2928) ande( > did "$ exit 2928" to see the following >g/ > %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eelsa >n% > This only appears to be Alpha V7.3.  >t  : On the same subject, you can find Psicopy on the Freeware.J The author, Guillaume Grard, has put in the kitinstal, at the place where	 you get a. -s-xxx, no more questions... -s-boirecafe& which can be translated from french as -s-drinkcoffee   Regards    Grard   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 13:47:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?3 Message-ID: <fmT6WExKhsNx@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  w In article <01KEGU1XCNWY8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: D >> Whilst looking through STARLET.REQ the other day, I came across aD >> reference to SS$_FISH.  I determined the value (decimal 2928) and) >> did "$ exit 2928" to see the followinge >> r0 >> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels  G > SS is probably secure shell.  FISH is a freeware secure-shell client 0  C SS$_ is the symbolic rendition of the System facility code that VMSR> displays as %SYSTEM-.  It has nothing to do with Secure Shell.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:54:37 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?, Message-ID: <3C72AD6F.243A7B02@videotron.ca>  
 > > $ ana/sysr > > tcpip show bug > > tcpip sh crash  - Show bug works on vax, but not show crash....Q   So, who is "Robert" ??????   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:11:34 +0100.) From: labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr>h@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?* Message-ID: <3C72B176.E2BDDF5D@wanadoo.fr>   JF Mezei wrote:g   > > > $ ana/sys  > > > tcpip show bug > > > tcpip sh crash > / > Show bug works on vax, but not show crash....r >s > So, who is "Robert" ??????  A It seems that this "private joke'" comes from Robert Rapaport andb Yannick Pouffary...m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:09:48 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?, Message-ID: <3C72B10C.1060502@tsoft-inc.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:)  1 > At 11:11 AM 2/19/2002, Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:9 >  >> David B Sneddon wrote:h >>
 >>> Hi Folks,  >>>tE >>> Whilst looking through STARLET.REQ the other day, I came across aLE >>> reference to SS$_FISH.  I determined the value (decimal 2928) andn* >>> did "$ exit 2928" to see the following >>>t1 >>> %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eelsm >>>g' >>> This only appears to be Alpha V7.3.t/ >>> Any one have any idea what it is all about?mE >>> (Good to see that someone at Compaq still has a sense of humour.)  >>>- >>> Regards,	 >>> Dave.- >>I >> There used to be a substitute message file from years past that could rF >> be used to replace a majority of the system messages, typically on G >> April Fools Day.  It was fun and funny for a day or two but hot its mA >> obvious draw-backs...  Anyone remember where that file is/was?V  H Aprilfool.txt.  Got a copy.  Never got it to work.  Didn't try too hard.     Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:45:54 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?B Message-ID: <mIzc8.108299$Aw2.7607062@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3C72A736.1A8785F0@firstdbasource.com...H > I seem to remember from the early days when DECNET was being developedH > there was a status message for an "impossible" condition (as the storyJ > goes) that Ken Olsen got when demonstrating DECNET for the press or some# > other dignitaries.  The message??  >t > %DECNET-F-NFWt  L Actually, IIRC it wasn't at all impossible:  the associated text explanationJ was "Path lost to partner" (i.e., connection lost - can't continue, or, in the vernacular, NFW).c   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 05:33:34 +0100e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?; Message-ID: <3c73271e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>m  * labadie (labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr) wrote:G > I recently discovered that with a Tcpip 5 (.0 or .1), you can use thet > Sda extension, and dom >a > $ ana/sys1 > tcpip show bug > tcpip sh crash  	 ROTFLASTCu  3 I *love* the humor the engineers have put into VMS.a   cu,n   Martin  8 P.S.: APRILFOOL.MSG was posted to c.o.v. on 27-Mar-1996. -- iF                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeF  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Feb 02 09:30:58 -0800* From: "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@sky.bus.com>W Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of / Message-ID: <1539.815T2919T5705744@sky.bus.com>n  H In article <a4te51$5bj$5@bob.news.rcn.net> jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) writes:l  ) >In article <1bn0y6fhxx.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu>,S+ >Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:c > 4 >>hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins) writes: >>@ >>> and much more recent, too--a couple of years back, you would= >>> regularly hear folks calling for their favorite change to-= >>> language justifying it on the grounds that it will change  >>> how people think . . . >>? >>And they've gotten their way, too.  I know far better than tor@ >>refer to a generic programmer as ``he'' in anything I write... >n7 >grrrrr....boy, did you just push a hot button of mine.o > 9 >I couldn't believe how much time and money was wasted on 4 >all of that crap.  Just think of the additional ink< >and paper to increase a two-character word to a [whatever]-< >character word.  Our notebook set were large enough without: >having to increase it to yet another notebook in order to> >accomodate people whose intention was to hinder productivity.= >Increasing the number of notebooks meant wasting the time ofg* >every single programmer out in the field.  : At least I haven't recently seen any of the PC attempts to" create new pronouns such as "hir".  9 My favourite solution to the he/she problem is to hit thet@ PC types with a delightful construct I read a while ago: s/h/it.   --" cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs)5 Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply.vD I don't read top-posted messages.  If you want me to see your reply,? appropriately trim the quoted text and put your reply below it.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:06:33 GMTj' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>rY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  n) Message-ID: <3C72C59D.2E0831B1@yahoo.com>    Joe Pfeiffer wrote:m > 8 > Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> writes:K > > >And they've gotten their way, too.  I know far better than to refer tos: > > >a generic programmer as ``he'' in anything I write... > >oE > > I've used the plurals "they", etc. or "the <functional name>" for@? > > over 25 years and will *NOT* buy a technical book that uses D > > "she", as it disturbs the flow of reading the content, besides aD > > stupid attempt at being priggishly pro-feminist: if the intendedD > > audience is entirely male or female, use that pronoun, otherwiseA > > use something different but correct. Most of these books have>/ > > audiences which are two nines or more male.e > F > ``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functionalE > name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why dovG > these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist than F > the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''B > is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward. > E > ``He'' was good old standard English for an unspecified person, andoG > was quite good enough.  Obsessing about gender-neutrality in languagenG > does nothing but degrade the language...  I could also rant about the-E > deliberate dstruction of ``fireman,'' ``fisherman,'' ``policeman,''m. > ``policewoman,'' ``waiter,'' ``waitress...''   WE are amused.   -- t@ Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.i=    (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified)a0    mailto:uce@ftc.gov  (for spambots to harvest)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:34:50 GMTl) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>sY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of   ' Message-ID: <3C72FD44.2058A1ED@ev1.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > ~ > In article <yKxb8.25353$Nv5.721800@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld.pleaseremove@att.net> writes: > K > > As an example, I used to teach Fortran to people who already knew COBOLSP > > (Yes, it was a long time ago).  In COBOL, there is a "Perform" verb which isO > > sort of like an internal procedure call but with all the variables visible.hM > > It essentially transfers control to code at some label, executes the code J > > until the next label then returns.  This encouraged a style that said,N > > essentially "If something is true, go perform code to handle that." So theP > > code to handle the situation had to be physically removed from the mainline. > >TM > > In contrast, most Fortrans of the time, didn't have such a construct, butvM > > had conditional if statements where the conditionally performed statementnM > > could be a goto.  This encouraged a style like "if something is NOT true, M > > goto around the code that handled it", followed immediately by that code.  > >m > G >    Thus invented: the COME FROM construct.  Old FORTRAN-IV code, withoD >    very large subroutines.  Instead of writing a new subroutine toF >    handle common code, the programmers were in the habit of labelingJ >    it and jumping there with a GOTO.  Then a variable (often an ASSIGNEDI >    GOTO variable) was used to tell where to GOTO to get back (where did:F >    I come from?).  Somewhat like a BASIC GOSUB, but more painfull to >    maintain. >hA This "come from" constuct that uses the ASSIGNED GOTO variable is B useful to create a "simulated" recursive routine. I once wrote one@ to traverse an AVL tree and print the nodes out in alphabetical ? order. It is blindingly *fast*...because there is *no* functiontA call overhead. You have to stack and unstack the local variables i	 yourself.o     -- e? +-------------------------------------------------------------+t? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   | ? +-------------------------------------------------------------+f   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:39:03 GMTs) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>rY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  m' Message-ID: <3C72FE41.F2EB0B5D@ev1.net>o   Brian Inglis wrote:v > - > On 18 Feb 2002 17:12:26 -0700, Joe Pfeiffera > <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:  > 5 > >hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins) writes:: > >>K > >> and much more recent, too--a couple of years back, you would regularlyuK > >> hear folks calling for their favorite change to language justifying ito> > >> on the grounds that it will change how people think . . . > >,I > >And they've gotten their way, too.  I know far better than to refer toh8 > >a generic programmer as ``he'' in anything I write... > C > I've used the plurals "they", etc. or "the <functional name>" for = > over 25 years and will *NOT* buy a technical book that usesSB > "she", as it disturbs the flow of reading the content, besides aB > stupid attempt at being priggishly pro-feminist: if the intendedB > audience is entirely male or female, use that pronoun, otherwise? > use something different but correct. Most of these books have-- > audiences which are two nines or more male.0 > A Disturbingly, there seems to be a feminist move afoot to re-writer@ history, with little regard for what is actually true. My sister? told me of a book that claims that Albert Einstein's first wife B was actually responsible for the work that won Al his nobel prize.  A I have also noticed that Black history in the U.S. has a tendencygE to re-write things badly. They want to give little Black kids someone D to look up to...and do *not* care much about what the real truth is.   -- e? +-------------------------------------------------------------+2? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |o? +-------------------------------------------------------------+r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:33:39 -0600 4 From: "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" <Edward.Lucas@bp.com> Subject: System problem>? Message-ID: <EF1DC894691AD5118AF000508BB85FDE034CC4A4@AMCLVX11>l  ( Sunday I had a very interesting problem.  F My system was up and running. I had allot of activity on all my drives (rz28's) attached to HSJ50's.   K When I would have people or a proc. attempt to login they would receive thenJ UN and PW, they where informed system management symbols where loading and  from there they would just hang.  L My systems are un Tulsa OK.  I contacted a person with a brain out there and1 had them use the console.  Boy was response slow.   J After I played for awhile attempting to determine the problem, my pagefile  had 0 free blocks. Hmmmmmm, why.E I have been having a problem with DFO V2.5 for about 8 months.  WhileTH reviewing all disks to defrag DFO would only see 11 -77 files and defragL them.  Also I have a 6 volume HW raid5 set.  The raidset would not do a showK or a defrag.  Compaq engineers fix was for me to increase my VIRTUALPAGECNT  to 426000.    K Well my page file was only 175904.  Well if I'm not mistaken VIRTUALPAGECNT I will only use what you for a pagefile.  That explains my 0 blocks in page  file.i  J Has anyone experienced any problems with DFO v2.5 running on a OpenVMS 7.1 system?e   Stupid question:  B How many pagefiles can I have.  I have a primary and a secondary.    Edward A. Lucas   Sr. VAX/VMS System Administrator SAIC Phone:  (216) 525-7492 Email:   Lucaea@bp.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:47:26 GMT21 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>s Subject: Re: System problem:2 Message-ID: <3C72C8D0.1CE62FA2@clarityconnect.com>  F VIRTUALPAGECNT determines the size of the virtual address space that aE process can have.  This space may or may not get mapped to the system/H pagefile(s) and may or may not get dumped back there.  How much VA spaceD can be mapped to the pagefile(s) is controlled by the processes page file quota.   H The SYSGEN parameters PAGFILCNT & SWPFILCNT determine how many pagefilesF & swapfiles may be installed.  But be careful not to make them too bigB otherwise a single file could consume more than 1 of the xxxFILCNTC units.  What is too big depends on the platform and version of VMS.   C Most likely you ran this system out of free physical memory and VMSa@ memory management filled up the pagefile while trying to recover( physical memory from inactive processes.   "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" wrote:6 > * > Sunday I had a very interesting problem. > H > My system was up and running. I had allot of activity on all my drives > (rz28's) attached to HSJ50's.  > M > When I would have people or a proc. attempt to login they would receive thelL > UN and PW, they where informed system management symbols where loading and" > from there they would just hang. > N > My systems are un Tulsa OK.  I contacted a person with a brain out there and3 > had them use the console.  Boy was response slow.. > L > After I played for awhile attempting to determine the problem, my pagefile" > had 0 free blocks. Hmmmmmm, why.G > I have been having a problem with DFO V2.5 for about 8 months.  While J > reviewing all disks to defrag DFO would only see 11 -77 files and defragN > them.  Also I have a 6 volume HW raid5 set.  The raidset would not do a showM > or a defrag.  Compaq engineers fix was for me to increase my VIRTUALPAGECNTd > to 426000. > M > Well my page file was only 175904.  Well if I'm not mistaken VIRTUALPAGECNT-K > will only use what you for a pagefile.  That explains my 0 blocks in pagea > file.  > L > Has anyone experienced any problems with DFO v2.5 running on a OpenVMS 7.1	 > system?t >  > Stupid question: > C > How many pagefiles can I have.  I have a primary and a secondary.r >  > Edward A. Lucasi" > Sr. VAX/VMS System Administrator > SAIC > Phone:  (216) 525-7492 > Email:   Lucaea@bp.com   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:16:10 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l Subject: Re: System problem-, Message-ID: <3C72CEA8.8B95C65A@videotron.ca>   "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" wrote:@L > After I played for awhile attempting to determine the problem, my pagefile" > had 0 free blocks. Hmmmmmm, why.  N Check out the UAF (authorize) pagfilquota parameter for the accounts. A singleJ account with a very large quota would be able to take control of your pageG file and then other users would be caught with the barely moving systemmL (eventually leading to a frozen system). Note that you can dynamically add a2 pagefile, but it only gets used for new processes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:36:46 -0000w- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)s; Subject: Re: VMS/Unix/Alpha NYC Event Wed., Feb 20th., 2002?7 Message-ID: <91BAADED9warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>e  I google@mccready.com (Gary McCready) wrote in <6e64ea70.0202190746.b839004a @posting.google.com>::  B >The below was emailed to me - you may also read it and sign up atC >www.compaq-signup.com/alpha - as of 2/19, it was still possible toB< >register, and they will *probably* let you register on-site >A< >Compaq IT Forum - a free seminar devoted to AlphaServers at( >the Grand Hyatt Hotel in New York City.  
 -- snip --  F A (costly) forum focussing on an EOL'd hardware platform?  Is this an  industry first?d   ws   -- e   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)g The Associated Press  < ** Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a bananna. **   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:29:59 GMT>4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>; Subject: Re: VMS/Unix/Alpha NYC Event Wed., Feb 20th., 2002u9 Message-ID: <rtzc8.5061$ro5.1747123@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>u  6 "Gary McCready" <google@mccready.com> wrote in message6 news:6e64ea70.0202190746.b839004@posting.google.com...C > The below was emailed to me - you may also read it and sign up ateD > www.compaq-signup.com/alpha - as of 2/19, it was still possible to= > register, and they will *probably* let you register on-sitei >r= > Compaq IT Forum - a free seminar devoted to AlphaServers atp) > the Grand Hyatt Hotel in New York City.r   <snip>  E Having attended several of these events in the past, I recommend 'em.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:25:49 -050012 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger); Subject: Re: VMS/Unix/Alpha NYC Event Wed., Feb 20th., 2002nJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-1902022325500001@1cust89.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  < In article <6e64ea70.0202190746.b839004@posting.google.com>,* google@mccready.com (Gary McCready) wrote:  B >The below was emailed to me - you may also read it and sign up atC >www.compaq-signup.com/alpha - as of 2/19, it was still possible to"< >register, and they will *probably* let you register on-site >r< >Compaq IT Forum - a free seminar devoted to AlphaServers at( >the Grand Hyatt Hotel in New York City. > C >At the last Alpha Diamond Forum in May, 2001, we had standing rooma >only.  F Hmm.  I was there, and I did not notice a shortage of seats.  It _was_- well attended, but SRO is a bit of a stretch.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:57:44 +0100a6 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean=2DFran=E7ois=20PI=C9RONNE?= 6 Subject: Re: What is the best NFS package for OpenVMS?+ Message-ID: <3C72AE37.B53FA140@laposte.net>    > N > are you saying cgiplus is faster than dll's?  not from the testing we did on > apache and purveyor ...   M Well, CGIPlus is a unique feature of Wasd so it seem difficult to evaluate ita using apache or purveyor...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:19:32 -0400F. From: "Malcolm Davies" <malcolm.davies@cw.com>- Subject: Win2000 drivers for LK461 keyboards?e/ Message-ID: <u75gacsipe8u64@corp.supernews.com>   J Help, I need to get hold of Windows 2000 drivers for Compaq (DEC) LK461-A2 keyboards. Any suggestions?    Malcolm    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:03:59 -0800-C From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com.nospam>.1 Subject: Re: Win2000 drivers for LK461 keyboards?e0 Message-ID: <3C72D9DF.1E60B573@intel.com.nospam>   Malcolm Davies wrote:5  L > Help, I need to get hold of Windows 2000 drivers for Compaq (DEC) LK461-A2 > keyboards. Any suggestions?I >r	 > Malcolmy  J Reply posted on vmsnet.sysmgt.   Proper cross-posting would have helped...       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
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 in German.   -- a? +-------------------------------------------------------------+r? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |A? +-------------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:45:53 GMT ) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>nY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaq ' Message-ID: <3C72FFDB.420BB716@ev1.net>w   Bob Koehler wrote: > \ > In article <3cb6c295.482472524@news.btopenworld.com>, greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk writes: > >tJ > > Oh yeah, my Grandmother used to be able to (or still can) read the oldB > > German alphabet. It's sort-of perverted Latin alphabet really. > G >    Odd.  One of the things I enjoyed learning was how to read the oldFI >    alphabet.  Not hard.  Not included in my German courses.  I just gotlD >    a "map" from a freind who'd studied it, and practiced a little. >i? You are talking about Fraktur, right??? I understand that most e= everything printed in Germany until after WWII was printed in6 Fraktur. Is this right???l   -- n? +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   | ? +-------------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:50:00 -0500y2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)6 Subject: Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about ...J Message-ID: <rdeininger-1902022350010001@1cust89.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  B In article <00A09CC7.2C922774.7@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot$ <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:    L >There are slight, subtle differences between the chemistry of hydrogen and J >deuterium. I (vaguely) recall that the cause is kinetic. A deuterium ion C >is twice as heavy as a hydrogen, so it'll be harder to jostle. Or .F >alternatively, if already moving, it'll pack more of a punch when it  >bumps something else. d >(K >There must also be a weak nuclear interaction between the neutron and the eI >orbital electron in Deuterium. I've never heard of this discussed in thetA >context of chemistry, though: probably it's too small to matter.i  @ There are noticible effects due to the angular momentum ("spin")H differences between hydrogen and deuterium nuclei.  These can show up inI chemistry if the conditions are right.  Muon-induced fusion is an extreme F example -- if you're willing to still use the name "chemistry" when we% start replacing electrons with muons.2  < (Checks to make sure this thread is safely marked "OT".  :-)  G >You may get selective crystallisation of heavy, or light, ice as water9H >freezes, due to kinetics at the critical point. And heavy ice actually  >sinks in ordinary water!0  I Really?  I don't have the numbers handy, but I thought the density changey! from water to ice was pretty big.   I There are certainly differences around the freezing and boiling points ofeE H2, D2, and HD.  These can be separated (fairly) easily by fractionalrH distillation. H2O, D2O and HDO likely have different freezing properties# as well, but I don't know for sure.s  H The freezing properties of ordinary water depend greatly on the presenceB of trace impurities.  I think it is still pretty difficult to makeA reliable measurements on "pure" water.  The effect of introducing D deuterium might be masked by the impurities in most practical cases.  J >I've never found the reference, but I've heard that a rat was once given O >nothing but heavy water to drink; it sickened and died. Certain enzymes do not-L >function right if critical hydrogen sites are in fact dueterium. Of course,M >living organisms can cope with Deuterium at the natural abundance of 1/7000../ >A small minority of broken enzymes do no harm.l  H I've heard similar stories.  I think hydrogen bonding gets all messed upE when the deuterium concentration gets large.  And hydrogen bonding iss+ important in a lot of biological molecules.s   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 13:04:15 -08003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>eY Subject: Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars  (was Re0 Message-ID: <qh4rkd6v5c.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:hJ > The real question is how long before some company starts to sell bottledF > "heavy water" claiming all sorts of health benefits. :-) :-) :-) :-)  * Not that outweigh the "unhealth" benefits:  8     http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/9805/msg00207.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:42:04 -05001- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>eY Subject: Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars (was Reo( Message-ID: <3C72B88B.E7AECDD6@ohio.edu>  F As I understand it, the doubled mass of deuterium does have slight butG measurable effects on the electron state energies, and therefore on therB chemistry, with the result that heavy water is in fact toxic if itA constitutes too large a fraction of a person's water intake for a: sustained period of time.   D For isotopes of other elements, the fractional difference in nuclearG mass is much smaller, and so makes much less difference in the electron % state energies and in the chemistry. t  
 							RDP   JF Mezei wrote:w > J > The real question is how long before some company starts to sell bottledF > "heavy water" claiming all sorts of health benefits. :-) :-) :-) :-)   -- -B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:11:04 GMT- From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG,Y Subject: Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars (was Reo0 Message-ID: <00A09CE8.7E775621@SendSpamHere.ORG>  X In article <3C72B88B.E7AECDD6@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: > G >As I understand it, the doubled mass of deuterium does have slight buteH >measurable effects on the electron state energies, and therefore on theC >chemistry, with the result that heavy water is in fact toxic if it'B >constitutes too large a fraction of a person's water intake for a >sustained period of time. p  H Ah, so when Col. Hogan convinced Col. Klink that the stash of heavywaterI being stored at Stalag 13 was mineral water which would make Klink's hair@I grow as a way to have Klink destroy the heavywater, he was risking offing6 his favorite commandant.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.099 ************************