1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 100       Contents:; Re: (OT) Dueterium (from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium ; Re: (OT) Dueterium (from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium 4 Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks4 Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks4 Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks* ASTs and threads in OpenVMS 7.2 and higher. Re: ASTs and threads in OpenVMS 7.2 and higherN Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from GatesP Re: Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from GatP Re: Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from GatP Re: Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from Gat. Re: Cisco 2948G-L3 layer three switch with VMS$ Re: DECTERM ERROR MESSAGE??????????? Re: Einstein Re: Einstein RE: Einstein Re: Einstein# Einstein (was: Younger recruits...)  FILE REVISED DATE  fsync() very slow in OpenVMS  Re: fsync() very slow in OpenVMS& FT: Qbus SCSI Controllers available FT% FTP from VMS to Unix and file headers ) RE: FTP from VMS to Unix and file headers ) Re: FTP from VMS to Unix and file headers ! Hammer vs IA64 (mostly off topic) % Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stock ) Re: Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stock ) RE: Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stock  Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products : hobbyist VMS systems behind dial-IN-on-demand ISDN routers* RE: How to get rid of too many logfiles...* Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...* Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...* Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...: Hungarian (was: sexist language (was: Younger recruits...) Information for RACF Re: Information for RACF Re: Information for RACF Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: Itanium troubles Re: MicroVAX Crash* Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization* Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization* Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization* Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization* Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization Re: Network Printer problems NIS Server for OpenVMS Re: Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$ Re: Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$L Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$  was (Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization)P Re: Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$  was (Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization): RE: Oracle RDB ABUSIVE PRICE$ was (Re: MPE/iX users form O: Re: Oracle RDB ABUSIVE PRICE$ was (Re: MPE/iX users form O Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1 Re: Oracle RDB v7.0-1  Re: Oracle RDB v7.0-1 - OT: Computer Associates' Books Under Scrutiny ' Re: OT: Humour - Capitalism Enron style = Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare = Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare = Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare = Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS  Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ  re: Semaphores Re: Semaphores Re: sexist language . Re: sexist language (was: Younger recruits...)L Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (L Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (7 Re: Strange status value - 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 vax h/w type.  Re: vax h/w type.  RE: vax h/w type. 4 VAX/VMS mail sending and receiving to other machinesP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comP Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars (was Re  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:05:23 GMT , From: Mickey Lane <mickeylane@earthlink.net>D Subject: Re: (OT) Dueterium (from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium8 Message-ID: <ak077uktkjrpgjtd8i4p5h90hndtacqhom@4ax.com>  O On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:05:13 -0500, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:   < >In the US, at least, any food or drink product described as: >"heavy" would be very unlikely to gain market acceptance.  5 You'd have much better luck with "New! Chunky style."    Mickey.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:30:16 +0100 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> D Subject: Re: (OT) Dueterium (from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium7 Message-ID: <00A09D8A.6EE5075E.10@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   = > In the US, at least, any food or drink product described as ; > "heavy" would be very unlikely to gain market acceptance.  > 9 > Now if it were called "H2O-Lite", you'd make a fortune.  >  > ***  > & > But that would be false advertizing.   [snip]  J Not if what you sold was the H20 left over after you extracted the D2O andJ HDO. And you'd let it be known that D20 is a trace impurity in all naturalN water, which kills fish left to swim in it neat, that its mainly of use to theM nuclear power and nuclear bomb industries, and "that lite water" doesn't have  it.   > Add CO2 and a trace of NaHCO3 and it wouldn't even taste vile.   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 04:18 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) = Subject: Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks - Message-ID: <20FEB200204181091@gerg.tamu.edu>   7 "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astro.washington.edu> writes... I }I then wrote a message hub. Any process wanting to send output sends it  G }to the hub (via a mailbox). The hub then copies it to a set of output  F }mailboxes, one per user. (It is smart enough to deal gracefully with J }full mailboxes, i.e. if a user gets behind). The question is how best to ; }get the data from those mailboxes to the individual users.  } D }Presently I set up an AST in the user's command interpreter. It is J }called whenever there is data in the user's output mailbox, it reads the E }mailbox and writes the data to the user's terminal. Mostly it works  I }fine, but it uses synchronous write, so if the user blocks output (with  I }^S), the user's interpreter is locked and this can cause problems under   }unusual circumstances.   H }Any suggestions? I wish there was some way to simply connect a mailbox I }to a terminal, such that anything written to the mailbox is sent to the  6 }terminal. That's really all I'm trying to accomplish. }-- Russell   B My suggestion (which is a farily typical VMSish way to do things):  E In the AST, don't do the write. Put the message into a queue instead. K Then, in the non-AST part of the program check to see if anything is in the H queue. If so, pull it off the queue, write it, and check the queue again for more messages.  H (By "queue" I don't mean the same thing as a batch queue or print queue,J although the concept is essentially the same, but rather the sort of thing5 you use via routines like LIB$INSQTI and LIB$REMQHI).   G This will let each process "fall behind", allowing it to read and store H as many messages as it can (based on the working set and pagefile quota)H if you dynamically allocate a new buffer for each, freeing them when the data is actually written.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:56:05 -0700 @ From: "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astroNOJNK.washington.edu.invalid>= Subject: Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks 2 Message-ID: <a50kf9$2kps$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>  4 In article <3C72FCB9.5040104@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>, + copeland@nospam_jenni.path.uiowa.edu wrote:   I >Have you thought of using IP multicast (with TTL set to zero to keep the C >broadcast on the local node)?  It would eliminate the need for the H >message hub process.  Two caveats - IP multicast isn't guaranteed to beF >delivered in order, or at all (it's UDP), but I don't think you'd seeC >that happen on a single node.  And there are almost certainly some , >privilege requirements to use IP multicast. > G >I assume that the "command interpreters" you're talking about are user G >programs (not the DCL command interpreter).  There are various ways of F >sending the incoming multicast message to the "command interpreter's"C >terminal.  The easiest is to just maintain a timeout on the latest G >message you've sent to the terminal.  If the terminal is blocked, just @ >return from the AST without queuing another asynch write to the
 >terminal.  G Interesting idea. Getting rid of the message hub would be grand, and I  I already use UDP multicasting (to the outside world; I didn't realize one  < could keep it within a given machine) elsewhere in the code.  G However, is there any reasonable way to set up a buffer? Users have to  F be able to get fairly far behind and still get their messages (due to I some unfortunate coding of one of the computers that talks to this one).    H In fact I originally considered IP broadcasting of some kind (hoping to I take advantate of the fact that users connected via telnet at that time;  E we're switching to ssh of course), but gave up on it because of this   problem.  G Regarding your question about the command interpreter...it is a custom  G program. At present it simply performs a blocking read (normal fortran  F read) of sys$input, parse the command and executes it. (It happens to H use the VMS command parsing subroutines and a custom command definition  file.)  G Of course the interpreter also must set up a way to output data to the  H user. At present it does that by calling a subroutine... The subroutine G starts a sys$qio read on the user's message mailbox, setting itself up  G as an AST to be called when data is available; it then writes the data  ' when available and queues another read.   
 -- Russell   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:05:14 -0700 3 From: "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astro.washington.edu> = Subject: Re: Advice wanted: separating input and output tasks > Message-ID: <owen-BCBABF.10051420022002@news.u.washington.edu>  G In article <20FEB200204181091@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl   Perkins) wrote:    >...C >My suggestion (which is a farily typical VMSish way to do things):  > F >In the AST, don't do the write. Put the message into a queue instead.L >Then, in the non-AST part of the program check to see if anything is in theI >queue. If so, pull it off the queue, write it, and check the queue again  >for more messages.... > H >This will let each process "fall behind", allowing it to read and storeI >as many messages as it can (based on the working set and pagefile quota) I >if you dynamically allocate a new buffer for each, freeing them when the  >data is actually written.  < I'm slightly confused. If you have time for clarification...  G I can certainly have the AST notify the command interpreter that there  H is data to be handled, but I'm not sure where best to go from there. At F present the command interpreter does a blocking read of sys$input for F the next command, parses the command and executes it (dirt simple). I D guess I should change that to doing a nonblocking read, then set my C process to wait until either read (of a new command or of new user  H output) completes, see what needs to be done and do it? That would best $ be done with local event flag waits?  F My present code already has a large queue for each user (precisely so C the user can fall fairly far behind on messages). It happens to be  E implemented via mailboxes (one large one per user), which apparently  I aren't much in favor anymore (based on your suggestion and JF Mezei's to  D use alternatives). But I think the queues you mention are basically I being used like my present mailboxes? If not, I'd love to know where I'm  
 going astray.   
 -- Russell   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:11:43 +0300 ( From: "Vadim Model" <Vadim.Model@srm.ru>3 Subject: ASTs and threads in OpenVMS 7.2 and higher , Message-ID: <a4vo4q$2jrc$1@josh.sovintel.ru>   Dear OpenVMS gurus,   J Given a multithreaded application (posix threads), which uses sys$qio withG ASTs. Which thread processes ASTs? Is there any way to control to which  thread ASTs are delivered?   Thanks, Regards,	     Vadim    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:16:35 +0300 4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>7 Subject: Re: ASTs and threads in OpenVMS 7.2 and higher 0 Message-ID: <3C737783.8415EEC7@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>   Vadim Model wrote: >  > Dear OpenVMS gurus,  > L > Given a multithreaded application (posix threads), which uses sys$qio withI > ASTs. Which thread processes ASTs? Is there any way to control to which  > thread ASTs are delivered?' 	No. AST Delivering is thread oriented.  >  > Thanks, Regards, >     Vadim    --   Cheers, F +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .......................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222 E  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatel.ru ................. SysMan rides HailStorm +   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:32:32 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> W Subject: Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from Gates 8 Message-ID: <02277u0197hfjsc9nr8sn4l9ldoota60j5@4ax.com>   Extract:  D "Be alleges that Microsoft scuppered a 1998 deal with with Compaq to@ produce an internet appliance after Compaq boss Eckhard PfeifferD received a personal visit from Gates as part of a Microsoft "DigitalC Appliances Review." This predates the BeIA platform announcement of F January 2000. A Compaq BeIA appliance Clipper eventually appeared, but$ only in a limited form, Be alleges."   Full story follows:   1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/24134.html   @ Be Inc is suing Microsoft for the destruction of its business. AD damages figure isn't enumerated, but Be points out that at one stage* the company was valued at over $1 billion.  D The company is now a shell, with the assets including BeOS and BeIA,F and some 46 staff, having been transferred to Palm Inc in the Fall for $11 million.  B But BeOS as a desktop system effectively ceased to compete for OEM attention in the New Year 2000.s  @ The main focus of the suit is on the boot-loader question, which Gassee aired in Byte last year.e  E Hitachi had agreed to license BeOS, and ship a dual-boot system usingtB Be's boot loader and an icon on the desktop that enabled a Windows( user to reboot into BeOS with one click.  F "Microsoft sent two U.S. managers to Japan who expressed their 'anger'D with Hitachi over its arrangement with Be, and 'reminded' Hitachi of< the terms of its Windows license," according to the claim. "  F Hitachi eventually shipped a system with BeOS loaded, but with no signD that Be was loaded on the system the PC booted directly into Windows? and users were required to create boot floppies and install thee bootloader themselves.  ? Compaq and Gateway declined to market dual-boot 'Creativity PC'OC systems Be had co-developed with Intel, citing the Windows license.i< Even when Be offered the OEMs the operating system for free.    C Be alleges that Microsoft scuppered a 1998 deal with with Compaq tob@ produce an internet appliance after Compaq boss Eckhard PfeifferD received a personal visit from Gates as part of a Microsoft "DigitalC Appliances Review." This predates the BeIA platform announcement of F January 2000. A Compaq BeIA appliance Clipper eventually appeared, but# only in a limited form, Be alleges.H  F Should the case come to trial, the most incendiary part of the case isD likely to focus on Paragraph 54, which alleges that Be Inc's IPO was sabotaged by Microsoft:-  C "Microsoft, in conjunction with third parties acting as its agents,oC succeeded both in artificially depressing the price at which Be was F able to sell its initial IPO shares and in preventing Be from engagingB in a post-IPO effort to raise investment capital through a private placement offering."  ? The repricing of Be's stock has long been the subject of ValleynC scuttlebutt. Be Inc originally announced its intention to price thepF stock in the "$8 to $10" range; the company eventually launched at $6.  6 Be couldn't be contacted at press time to elaborate.    -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 05:45:09 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)Y Subject: Re: Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from GatM= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202200545.4c1f404f@posting.google.com>P  e Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<02277u0197hfjsc9nr8sn4l9ldoota60j5@4ax.com>...e
 > Extract: > F > "Be alleges that Microsoft scuppered a 1998 deal with with Compaq toB > produce an internet appliance after Compaq boss Eckhard PfeifferF > received a personal visit from Gates as part of a Microsoft "DigitalE > Appliances Review." This predates the BeIA platform announcement ofoH > January 2000. A Compaq BeIA appliance Clipper eventually appeared, but& > only in a limited form, Be alleges." >  > Full story follows:u > 3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/24134.html  > B > Be Inc is suing Microsoft for the destruction of its business. AF > damages figure isn't enumerated, but Be points out that at one stage, > the company was valued at over $1 billion. > F > The company is now a shell, with the assets including BeOS and BeIA,H > and some 46 staff, having been transferred to Palm Inc in the Fall for > $11 million. > D > But BeOS as a desktop system effectively ceased to compete for OEM! > attention in the New Year 2000.  > B > The main focus of the suit is on the boot-loader question, which! > Gassee aired in Byte last year.  > G > Hitachi had agreed to license BeOS, and ship a dual-boot system using D > Be's boot loader and an icon on the desktop that enabled a Windows* > user to reboot into BeOS with one click. > H > "Microsoft sent two U.S. managers to Japan who expressed their 'anger'F > with Hitachi over its arrangement with Be, and 'reminded' Hitachi of> > the terms of its Windows license," according to the claim. " > H > Hitachi eventually shipped a system with BeOS loaded, but with no signF > that Be was loaded on the system the PC booted directly into WindowsA > and users were required to create boot floppies and install the  > bootloader themselves. > A > Compaq and Gateway declined to market dual-boot 'Creativity PC'tE > systems Be had co-developed with Intel, citing the Windows license. > > Even when Be offered the OEMs the operating system for free. >  > E > Be alleges that Microsoft scuppered a 1998 deal with with Compaq toeB > produce an internet appliance after Compaq boss Eckhard PfeifferF > received a personal visit from Gates as part of a Microsoft "DigitalE > Appliances Review." This predates the BeIA platform announcement of H > January 2000. A Compaq BeIA appliance Clipper eventually appeared, but% > only in a limited form, Be alleges.e > H > Should the case come to trial, the most incendiary part of the case isF > likely to focus on Paragraph 54, which alleges that Be Inc's IPO was > sabotaged by Microsoft:- > E > "Microsoft, in conjunction with third parties acting as its agents, E > succeeded both in artificially depressing the price at which Be wasxH > able to sell its initial IPO shares and in preventing Be from engagingD > in a post-IPO effort to raise investment capital through a private > placement offering." > A > The repricing of Be's stock has long been the subject of Valley E > scuttlebutt. Be Inc originally announced its intention to price thesH > stock in the "$8 to $10" range; the company eventually launched at $6. > 8 > Be couldn't be contacted at press time to elaborate.   H I would bet the same has been done w/vms as both Palmer/dec and CapellasB probably got paid off by Gates to kill vms, or at least try to ... they have failed at that ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:45:49 GMTc4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>Y Subject: Re: Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from Gat.9 Message-ID: <xEOc8.6116$ro5.2261194@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>W  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0202200545.4c1f404f@posting.google.com...y2 > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 news:<02277u0197hfjsc9nr8sn4l9ldoota60j5@4ax.com>... > > Extract: > >-H > > "Be alleges that Microsoft scuppered a 1998 deal with with Compaq toD > > produce an internet appliance after Compaq boss Eckhard PfeifferH > > received a personal visit from Gates as part of a Microsoft "DigitalG > > Appliances Review." This predates the BeIA platform announcement ofrJ > > January 2000. A Compaq BeIA appliance Clipper eventually appeared, but( > > only in a limited form, Be alleges."  B I dunno about Be, but Bill Gates ordered Bob Palmer to scuttle theK StrongArm-Inside SHARK network appliance just weeks before its formal debutdH at DECUS Europe in Copenhagen. Many thousands of Sharks were sent to the& crusher at the behest of Mister Gates.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:12:49 +0000u% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>aY Subject: Re: Be Inc alleges Compaq helped Microsoft destroy them on instructions from Gat 8 Message-ID: <qne77u4k8p89trd2dnkjg8u7dt1gf6r1dm@4ax.com>  A On 20 Feb 2002 05:45:09 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)o wrote:     >-I >I would bet the same has been done w/vms as both Palmer/dec and CapellasaC >probably got paid off by Gates to kill vms, or at least try to ...a >they have failed at that ...2  E Capellas said in an interview I read somewhere that when he took overtC as CEO relationships with Microsoft were at an all time low. But hetC 'fixed' this.  One of his earlier acts was to drop Alpha/NT and, ifoC this fits in with improving relations, we can perhaps conclude thateE the financial justifications given were probably relatively accurate,h/ but by no means the only chapter to the story.    D It is my gut feeling that Alpha/NT was dropped after a collaborativeC decision by Capellas and Gates but with Compaq to take the flak. IteE remains my belief that the decision, in principle, to phase out Alphai@ over time was taken then as well. It is perhaps instructive thatE MS/Intel demonstrated an early version of Windows 2000 on Itanium the D same week. Two years later it still isn't a product but the demo was! probably enough to fool Capellas.g -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:59:36 +0000h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>s7 Subject: Re: Cisco 2948G-L3 layer three switch with VMSo8 Message-ID: <uch77ukqgcfjcvt1dc3r0h2dugqpd2hahm@4ax.com>  A On 19 Feb 2002 08:06:00 -0700, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolmi Dunnett) wrote:g   >o9 >> Anyone know of any hidden problems we might encounter?m >eE >   The only problem we've had with this switch was when we initiallywG >tried to run it with all the ports bridged together. In that situationoF >it was sensitive to broadcast storms, they would overload the CPU andH >cause lots of packets to be dropped. If you run each port as a separateP >IP address/network or keep only a few ports in each bridge group this shouldn't >be a problem.  C Yes, this seems to be consistent. I've searched back newsgroups ands= heard feedback from a few others saying the same thing. WorksrE perfectly as a router but has problems when multiple ports configuredlD as a layer 2 switch.  We certainly want to use its routing functions@ but only across about 4 subnets so I expected to make use of its bridging functionality.c  F Anyone know if you can cheat by giving multiple interfaces the same IPB address For example 192.168.nn.1 on multiple ports and this as the> default route for hosts connected to that port? A third party,7 supposedly familiar with the device tells me you can...   @ >   The switch comes up as a router by default ( ie each port isC >assumed to have a separate IP address or network assigned to it ).'? >If you want to run a cluster across multiple ports you need totA >aggregate them into a bridge group, then the entire bridge group F >is assigned the same IP subnet. Bridged traffic is not shared between >multiple bridge groups.   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 04:38 CSTc' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)a- Subject: Re: DECTERM ERROR MESSAGE??????????? - Message-ID: <20FEB200204381346@gerg.tamu.edu>   5 Alex.Feliziani@space.gc.ca (Alex Feliziani) writes...sA }I have a VAX STATION 4000. I created an account on $DISK2 called G }PAYNE. When i try to log into the Payne account i get through up untiliF }the blue screen where the DecTerm tries to open and then it goes backG }to the login window. THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT I OBTAIN AFTER ENTERING THEa }  }Alex!  A By "blue screen", do you mean the one that says "Starting the newe? OpenVMS desktop" or something like that? That is leading to the A session manager, not a DECterm (which is just a terminal emulatore window).  	 My guess:c  A You created an account, PAYNE, that has it's login device defined 1 as $DISK2 and login directory defined as [PAYNE].(  8 But DECwindows can't access the directory either because 1) it doesn't existm or= 2) the PAYNE account can't write to it's own login directory,o)    most likely because it doesn't own it.o  A Make sure that you have created the directory $DISK2:[PAYNE]. Then= authorize utility does not create the directory for you, onlyf the account.  G Make sure that the PAYNE account is the owner of its own home directorynE (i.e. the file $DISK2:[000000]PAYNE.DIR should be owned by PAYNE) and C therefore has write permission for it so that it can create all thepA DECwindows configuratin files (the old DECwindows put them all inr? the login directory, the new one puts most of them in the [.DT]pC subdirectory, but it needs to be able to create DT.DIR in the login  directory).a  ? Make sure that the "Owner" field in the file protection of the -< PAYNE.DIR file allows writing. You might also make sure that@ there is nothing in the file's ACL that is preventing the write.  < Generally, you create the login directory via a command like  / $ create/dir/log disk:[username]/owner=usernamen  E substituting the username for "username" in the above, which not onlyeD creates the directory but also assigns it's ownership to the correct account.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:27:29 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i Subject: Re: Einsteinf; Message-ID: <01KEI0OWM3XQ8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  * > She probably helped him, as did others.   F Actually, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is undeniably, much I more than is the case with most scientific theories, the result of "pure iI thought" by one person, more or less in isolation.  Einstein was never a aG big collaborator (no-one was ever awarded a doctorate for working with .H him) and didn't like teaching, though he was quite congenial.  In other C works, however, there was often some collaboration, sometimes even hH essential collaboration.  The Special Theory of Relativity, however, is F more or less a work from scratch (it doesn't even cite another paper).   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:24:21 +0100 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s Subject: Re: Einstein,; Message-ID: <01KEI2PA2Z128ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  M > > Einsteins Nobel prize was for his work on the photoelectric effect, IIRC.a > J >    Einstein's Nobel prize was formaly for his photoelectric work, but asG >    he acknowledged in his acceptance speach, that was a cover for hisp; >    relativity work which was actually being acknowledged.s > D >    The Nobel folks as the time wouldn't give Einstein a prize for A >    relativity because it is completely theoretical physics (no  F >    experiment involved) and therefor much to close to mathematics.  G >    Nobel prohibitted any mathematics prizes (his wife ran off with a dK >    mathematician).  The photoelectric work clearly involved experimental h* >    work, so that was cited in the award.  C See my previous post.  Of course, what Einstein said in his speech pD (which was, by the way, not at the normal awards ceremony) and what 6 motivated the committee might be two different things.  F Yes, Nobel did specify "invention or discovery", which does make it a B bit more difficult for purely theoretical things to get through.  E However, it's not true that the photoelectric-effect work was JUST a eC cover.  At the time, it was more revolutionary than relativity AND > fitted Nobel's bill.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:35:04 -0800x# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: Einsteine9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEPDECAA.tom@kednos.com>A   > -----Original Message-----B > From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com], > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:27 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. > Subject: Re: Einsteint >e >o+ > > She probably helped him, as did others.3 > G > Actually, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is undeniably, much J > more than is the case with most scientific theories, the result of "pureJ > thought" by one person, more or less in isolation.  Einstein was never aH > big collaborator (no-one was ever awarded a doctorate for working withI > him) and didn't like teaching, though he was quite congenial.  In otherhD > works, however, there was often some collaboration, sometimes evenI > essential collaboration.  The Special Theory of Relativity, however, iscH > more or less a work from scratch (it doesn't even cite another paper). >   L While it is true that on special relativity he didn't collaborate, there wasK a body of knowledge making the step possible, the work of Maxwell, Lorentz,aG Planck, for example. in closing he does however acknowledge M Besso for # " ... several valuable suggestions"e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:59:31 +0100s$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> Subject: Re: Einsteint/ Message-ID: <_QOc8.86$if3.3427@news.get2net.dk>$  G Well, IIRC this is covered in "E = mc2: A Biography of the World's Mostd Famous Equation" by David Bodanis.n   The well-read DweebcL http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0802713521/ref%3Dnosim/skymaps/002-85
 50975-7032034f    F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KEI0OWM3XQ8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...l+ > > She probably helped him, as did others.e > G > Actually, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is undeniably, mucheJ > more than is the case with most scientific theories, the result of "pureJ > thought" by one person, more or less in isolation.  Einstein was never aH > big collaborator (no-one was ever awarded a doctorate for working withI > him) and didn't like teaching, though he was quite congenial.  In otheriD > works, however, there was often some collaboration, sometimes evenI > essential collaboration.  The Special Theory of Relativity, however, isoH > more or less a work from scratch (it doesn't even cite another paper).   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:10:58 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o, Subject: Einstein (was: Younger recruits...); Message-ID: <01KEHZW04GJW8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  E > > Disturbingly, there seems to be a feminist move afoot to re-writeiD > > history, with little regard for what is actually true. My sisterC > > told me of a book that claims that Albert Einstein's first wifetF > > was actually responsible for the work that won Al his nobel prize.  A This accusation has been around for a long time, first raised, I  B believe, by a (female) journalist who wrote a book outlining this H conspiracy theory.  There is nothing to it.  The whole edifice is based I on the mis-interpretation of one (admittedly somewhat cryptic) remark in u one of Einstein's letters.  @ > I've seen claims that his first wife did the relativity work,   F Yes, that is the usual claim, or at least that Mileva helped with the E maths.  Mileva was a student colleague of Einstein, and Einstein was cH admittedly not the best mathematician, so this lesser claim is at least " plausible (but isn't true either).   > and B > the claim that those claims were Serbian (or some other Yugoslav > part) propaganda '  I I think the claim that the claims are Serbian propaganda is anti-Serbian -; propaganda.  The primary motivation seems to be a feminist n/ re-interpretation of history, not a racial one.   : > (his wife, Mileva?, came from those parts of the world).  H Mileva came from Novi Sad, which today is part of Serbia.  At the time, H I think it was part of Austria-Hungary.  Ethnically, she was Serbian or 
 Slovenian.  K > Einsteins Nobel prize was for his work on the photoelectric effect, IIRC.   G Yes.  One often hears that relativity was "too controversial" and that  E the Nobel Committee played the safe card here.  Actually, it was the iI opposite.  Relativity, at least Special Relativity, was "in the air" and oD several folks almost got there first.  (General Relativity is a bit E difference and would have been much more difficult for anyone else tooI arrive at.)  The idea of the photon, the basis of Einstein's explanation  H of the photoelectric effect, on the other hand, was quite revolutionary.E Of course, Einstein made several contributions which would have been   worth their own Nobel Prizes.i   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 10:24:49 -0800( From: BHALPERN@UMCAZ.EDU (BRITT HALPERN) Subject: FILE REVISED DATE< Message-ID: <dbcb2b6e.0202201024.f51b8a5@posting.google.com>  @ WHAT DOES THE NUMBER IN PARENTHESIS AFTER THE REVISED DATE MEAN?;    Revised:   17-JAN-2002 09:30:53.77 (2)  <-----RIGHT HERE-   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 08:23:14 -0800, From: tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung)% Subject: fsync() very slow in OpenVMSr= Message-ID: <f9dc0a5a.0202200823.40b5eabc@posting.google.com>e   Hi,t  @ I have done some performance testing of file i/o on the OpenVMS.  A I have found that the fsync() call is really slow. In my case, it B could at most perform a write(), followed by fsync() for around 40 times per second only.  E Is there any aio_fsync() equivalent in OpenVMS? Any optimization hinti for fsync()?  
 Thank you.   Tony Cheungt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:52:41 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e) Subject: Re: fsync() very slow in OpenVMS , Message-ID: <3C73F075.D0D427CE@videotron.ca>   Tony Cheung wrote:C > I have found that the fsync() call is really slow. In my case, itOD > could at most perform a write(), followed by fsync() for around 40 > times per second only.  F What I have done is to execute the fsync only after a certain time hasL elapsed. (use $SETTIMR to set an event flag, and when you write, if the even4 flag is set, then you do fsync otherwise you don't).   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:39:00 GMT  From: vze2mj6m@mail.verizon.neti/ Subject: FT: Qbus SCSI Controllers available FTc0 Message-ID: <3C7398F5.1442C803@mail.verizon.net>  < The following Qbus SCSI controllers are available for trade.  ; Some combination of AD, DA, or Parallel interfaces might be = acceptable. Other reasonable trades would also be considered.c     mailto:dec.parts@verizon.net     Aviv_QSA_50-1276_Rev_F1xL http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Aviv_QSA_50-1276_Rev_F1_.jpg   Dilog_SQ706_Rev_AtF http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Dilog_SQ706_Rev_A_.jpg   Emulex_UC07_10401-01_Rev_FO http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Emulex_UC07_10401-01_Rev_F_.jpgd  % Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_SN-BBH5341tZ http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_SN-BBH5341_.jpg  % Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_SN-BBH5402 Z http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/Emulex_UC07_10405-00_Rev_D_SN-BBH5402_.jpg   MTI_QTS25_Rev_DrD http://www.analog-and-digital-solutions.com/dec/MTI_QTS25_Rev_D_.jpg   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 05:56:37 -0800% From: roymcbrayer@austin.rr.com (Roy) . Subject: FTP from VMS to Unix and file headers= Message-ID: <e5c0f16e.0202200556.5e68ccab@posting.google.com>6  E We are receiving files via FTP from a VMS machine to  a Unix computer.= and a Windows 2000 computer.  The files sent from the VMS boxn? apparently contain a header record of some sort that results inaD garbage characters at the front of the files after they are receivedC on Unix or Windows 2000.  Does anyone know how to suppress the fileh- header characters as part of the FTP process?f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:05:49 -0500a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>2 Subject: RE: FTP from VMS to Unix and file headers- Message-ID: <0033000053707782000002L022*@MHS>a  % =0AI don't have these problems, but I " use neither Windows 2000 nor UNIX.    I FTP things between various VMS# systems and an NT system or two allt' the time and I don't have problems withs "garbage" characters.a  ( You need to be more specific and provide) examples of what "garbage" you're seeing.s  ) What types of files are you transferring--. What file transfer method (image/binary/ascii) What UNIX OS?  What IP stack?e   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETm* Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:56 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET. Subject: FTP from VMS to Unix and file headers    E We are receiving files via FTP from a VMS machine to  a Unix computerd= and a Windows 2000 computer.  The files sent from the VMS boxl? apparently contain a header record of some sort that results in D garbage characters at the front of the files after they are receivedC on Unix or Windows 2000.  Does anyone know how to suppress the files. header characters as part of the FTP process?=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:11:57 -0000a* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>2 Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to Unix and file headers+ Message-ID: <a50ar5$nu4@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>f  2 "Roy" <roymcbrayer@austin.rr.com> wrote in message7 news:e5c0f16e.0202200556.5e68ccab@posting.google.com...t  G > We are receiving files via FTP from a VMS machine to  a Unix computeru? > and a Windows 2000 computer.  The files sent from the VMS boxtA > apparently contain a header record of some sort that results in F > garbage characters at the front of the files after they are received > on Unix or Windows 2000.  O VMS text files are often stored as counted records, rather than delimited ones. Q e.g. <04>Text rather than Text<CR>. Typically all that is required is to transfer4= text-like files in ASCII mode and binary files in IMAGE mode.t  H There are more complicated cases but those are the basic ones. We'd need  more detail to solve the former.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:56:10 -0800e' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>s* Subject: Hammer vs IA64 (mostly off topic)+ Message-ID: <3C73F14A.4F7A93D8@caltech.edu>t   (mostly off topic)  A As I understand it AMD's Hammer line has a set of processors thatuB decode the x86 stream and convert them to an internal RISC commandG stream.  The upside of this is that it will run existing x86 code fast,sJ the downside is that it makes it very hard (if not impossible) to optimizeI code with branch predictions and so forth for the internal machine.  Whatg I wonder is:  G 1.  Is the x86 -> internal RISC instruction decoding hardwired or is ity microcoded in some way?y*  If the latter, could the same Hammer chipK potentially run Power or Alpha code with the appropriate microcode?  In theiL unlikely event (not unlikely enough though) that the Itanium remains a totalO dog or is even discontinuned by Intel this might be of some importance in yearst to come to VMS users.  M 2.  Theoretically couldn't a special instruction in the x86 code stream, say].C "this is internal Hammer RISC code" and cause the translating unitssM to pass the program verbatim to the internal RISC machine?  (Conceivably this  would also freesK the translating processors for real work.)  Such a capability would seem tot allow anN compiler to produce highly optimized Hammer specific 64 bit RISCy code without compromisingN the x86 stuff in any way.  And other than a couple of cycle pipeline delay for the copying3O operation there wouldn't be much of a performance penalty versus going directlyA the internalJ machine.  Mixed mode programming would be quite, um, interesting on such a machine.  Imagine K an x86 function calling a bypass-RISC function calling another x86 function 
 etc.  ImagineiK debugging that! So long as the RISCy entry points all begin with the bypassw command andeN the subroutine calls always revert to x86 mode it should work though.  True, a jump or branchN to the wrong place would be fatal but probably no more fatal than that sort of error is now with "pure" code.o   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:07:29 -0800d# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>a. Subject: Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stock9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEPFECAA.tom@kednos.com>u  ( I'm sure most of you have seen this, butE http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/business/2708611.htmt  G One of the cost cutting measures would be to reduce Fiorina's salary to 
 zero, goodby.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:18:16 +0000n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 2 Subject: Re: Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stock8 Message-ID: <g0j77u8vud3ddukrras3d1lvls0kajn8ri@4ax.com>  A On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:07:29 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t wrote:  ) >I'm sure most of you have seen this, butEF >http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/business/2708611.htm  A I get rubbish in Netscape and a blank page in Exploder. Could youo quote the text please.    H >One of the cost cutting measures would be to reduce Fiorina's salary to >zero, goodby.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:39:11 -0800h# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 2 Subject: RE: Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stock9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEPKECAA.tom@kednos.com>s    > -----Original Message-----u. > From: Alan Greig [mailto:a.greig@virgin.net], > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:18 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > Subject: Re: Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stock >- >-C > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:07:29 -0800, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>i > wrote: >B+ > >I'm sure most of you have seen this, but:H > >http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/business/2708611.htm > C > I get rubbish in Netscape and a blank page in Exploder. Could youi > quote the text please. >d >aJ > >One of the cost cutting measures would be to reduce Fiorina's salary to > >zero, goodby. >b > -- > Alan   OKL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----    Posted on Wed, Feb. 20, 2002.  % Hewlett offers plan to boost HP stocke' Heir gives alternative to Compaq mergerh
 By STEVE LOHRa New York Times News Serviceo  E With a shareholder vote in a month, Walter B. Hewlett issued a reportyE Tuesday that sketched out an alternative plan for Hewlett-Packard - aaH strategy, he contended, that could leave stockholders $14 to $17 a shareK better off than if Hewlett-Packard proceeds with its proposal to buy Compaqc	 Computer.c  K In the 16-page presentation, Hewlett asserted that under what he called his H "focus and execute" strategy, Hewlett-Packard's operating profit marginsD could potentially double to 8.4 percent, compared with his financial< advisers' projections for the margins of the merged company.  B The report, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, andD summarized in a letter to shareholders, is Hewlett's response to theK Hewlett-Packard management's repeated statements that he had no alternativel	 strategy.o  I Hewlett, an heir of the co-founder and a Hewlett-Packard board member, is J leading a proxy fight against the Compaq merger. Joined by the Hewlett andF Packard family foundations, Hewlett quickly lined up 18 percent of theH Hewlett-Packard shares against the merger plan, which was announced lastF September. A shareholder vote on the merger is scheduled for March 19.  E Carleton S. Fiorina, chief executive of Hewlett-Packard, has recentlyeK expressed confidence that things are turning in favor of merger, as she andiJ other members of her management team meet with institutional investors and% explain the logic of the merger plan.   J Hewlett-Packard issued a statement on Tuesday dismissing Hewlett's plan asI one "hastily cobbled together in an attempt to satisfy those who question-G his failure to provide a viable alternative to the merger with Compaq."e  K The company's financial advisers criticized Hewlett's presentation - titledOG "HP Has Higher Value, Lower Risk Strategic Alternatives to the Proposed K Merger" - as a combination of "motherhood and apple pie" platitudes and ther! financial arithmetic of advocacy.M  J The enhanced value of $14 to $17 a share, they said, came from unspecifiedJ cost reductions and profit improvements in Hewlett's plan, which calls forF focusing on Hewlett-Packard's lucrative printing business, selectivelyF building up its services and large computer units, and paring down theL personal computer business. Hewlett's document then arbitrarily understates,9 the company's advisers say, the benefits from the merger.g  I Hewlett's document, the company advisers added, was an attempt to come upcL with a "headline number" to sway some unsophisticated shareholder votes in a* proxy contest that is turning against him.  K In his statement to shareholders, Hewlett expressed continued optimism thateI he would prevail. "We believe we are seeing widespread, strong oppositionw; and we are confident that we are doing very well," he said.a  J Hewlett's advisers described the "alternatives" document as the "frameworkH and principles" for a plan other than the Compaq merger. A more detailedJ strategy, they added, was the responsibility of the entire Hewlett-Packard board, not a single director.-  H In his document, Hewlett also made it clear there was only one member ofG Hewlett-Packard management he expected to leave if the merger plan werenI defeated: Fiorina. The report states that the company "could benefit from3K new leadership" and praises the depth of Hewlett-Packard's management team.@J The report then goes on to show how the shareholders of several companies,H including Apple and IBM, prospered after chief executives were replaced.  J Each side, as part of its campaign, has posted its arguments and documents? on a Web site set up for the proxy fight. Hewlett's Web site isfG www.VoteNoHpCompaq.com. The company's Web site is www.VotetheHPway.com.s       >    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 16:50:12 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>i( Subject: Re: Hobbyist - Layered Products6 Message-ID: <20020220165012.25272.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:e >Paul Sture wrote: >> tG >> I have tried to contact you. Did  not work. Please send me a workinga >> email address.  >:G >His address shows up in the View -> Source option in Netscape, FWIW...c  J I just looked up Paul's post in google - it didn't show on my news server.E So, sorry Paul for not responding. As David says, my email address isbF munged but available in the message headers. As to software kits, someJ anonymous person has been kind enough to lend me a few and I've added someI goodies. This makes the languages available on vmsbox.cjb.net as follows:t  6 ADA, BASIC, C, COBOL, FORTRAN, JAVA, PASCAL, and PERL.  H CMS is also about to be installed, but I've not had time to even look at the documentation for it yet.o  9 So, if anyone wants an account on the system please visiti) http://vmsbox.cjb.net/shell-accounts.html(     Doc. -- w6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:36:52 +0100 (MET)a9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>dC Subject: hobbyist VMS systems behind dial-IN-on-demand ISDN routersu; Message-ID: <01KEI6ZTS9GS8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o  	 Hi folks,e    I Since the topic is perhaps a bit too specialised for comp.os.vms (we can tE always forward posts there if anyone is interested), I'm looking for pG fellow hobbyists with the same type of internet connection as mine who  E would like to discuss technical details outside of the group (we can eD always post (summaries) if there is interest): VMS machine(s) on LANC connected to an ISDN router which offers not only dial-OUT but alsos  dial-IN on demand connectivity.   H In my case, I have static IP addresses and the name server for these at 6 the ISP who does the dial-in and handles the dial-out.   I'm particularly interested in:m  G    o  comparing costs, including flat rates (which would get rid of thev.       need for the "on-demand" functionality)   &    o  considering alternatives to ISDN  <    o  configuring a BIND server to peer with that of the ISP  C    o  finding out whether a TCPIP cluster alias would allow access tC       (through the alias address) to all machines even if it is thecD       only routable IP address (this has nothing to do with the ISDNA       router per se but has to do with understanding what really  @       happens when access goes through this alias and then gets B       delegated to a particular machine---is the non-alias addressD       required to be accessible from the outside (i.e. routable) at        all?)o  G    o  getting the TCPIP, SMTP etc configuration correct in such a setupR  G My system runs fine as it is and the few changes I need made I need to -E get the ISP to do.  However, I would like to understand things a bit sH better; perhaps some things could be done better, just "happen to work"  etc.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:20:57 -0800p# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: RE: How to get rid of too many logfiles...l9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEPCECAA.tom@kednos.com>f  ; I have a related question, under tcpip5.1 i have a log filet> tcpip$ftp_anonymous.log;1  which just keeps growing.  Does one$ periodically just delete it or what?   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@fsi.net]* > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:15 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw5 > Subject: Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...c >  >  > Michael Austin wrote:e > > 
 > > how about(@ > > $delete/before='f$cvtime("-30-","ABSOLUTE","DATE") NOT*.log; > > * > > deletes everything older than 30 days. > ! > $ DELETE/BEFORE="-30-" filespeci >  > ....works, also. >  > --   > David J. Dachterap > dba DJE Systemst > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 08:41:57 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org3 Subject: Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...s3 Message-ID: <vDOkDSXoa60H@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  i In article <8b51ed8.0202191410.60c0789e@posting.google.com>, vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham) writes:mH > I'm trying to get rid of too many logfiles. It's not a case of versionA > limit as the files don't go past ;1, instead the files have thep* > version built in like NOT1_359950.LOG;1. > G > I know backup/image/exclude will not work, can anyone suggest anotheri > way other than delete.  = If you are shying away from delete, one assumes that you haveo- that it is very slow on very big directories.0  = The right solution is going to depend a bit on circumstances./  A Case 1:  You will be deleting most of the files in the directory.S   Solution 1:   L $ DIR /NOHEAD /NOTRAIL /COLUMN=1 delete-file-wildcard /BEFORE=cut-off-time -  /OUT=FILE_LIST.DAT_& $ SORT FILE_LIST.DAT * /SPEC=SYS$INPUT! /FIELD=(NAME=LINE,POS:1,SIZE:200)i /DATA="$ DELETE "/
 /DATA=LINE /KEY=(LINE,DESCENDING) $ @FILE_LIST.DAT  E Case 2:  You will be deleting only some of the files in the directory   8 i.e. the directory will still be huge after you are done   Solution 2:6  $ Backup the files you want to retain.2 Apply solution 1 to delete the directory contents.% Restore the files you want to retain.     H Reverse sorted order is an incredible performance win for mass deletion.  E I understand that DFU can do better if you have it installed and knowt how to use it.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:58:15 GMTe4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...:0 Message-ID: <3C73D490.504552C7@blueyonder.co.uk>   Tom Linden wrote:F > = > I have a related question, under tcpip5.1 i have a log file0@ > tcpip$ftp_anonymous.log;1  which just keeps growing.  Does one& > periodically just delete it or what?  s@ depends if you care about annonymous ftp activity enough to want to keep a log around I guess.    regardse -- r Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  p  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of t! my employers or service provider.-   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 09:11:41 -0800* From: vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham)3 Subject: Re: How to get rid of too many logfiles...E; Message-ID: <8b51ed8.0202200911.ba23bf3@posting.google.com>l  B Anyone see a problem with performing the Image. Init the disk thenD restore without image? I don't want to do this, but the client seems to think it's the way to go.  ? backup/log/ignore=label/exclude=([*...]*.log;*,[*...]*.dat;*) -o, /select=[*...]*.*;* tapedrivename:savsetname  newdiskname:*.*;*/owner=orig/new   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:23:14 +0100 (MET)09 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>aC Subject: Hungarian (was: sexist language (was: Younger recruits...) ; Message-ID: <01KEI0KQ24CO8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i  F > To be exact, it's an o with quotation marks on it, not dots - it's a > long o Umlaut. r  < Can't find that in the DEC Multinational Character Set!  :-(  8 > The hungarian language knows to kinds of o Umlaut: theI > short with dots and the long with quotation marks. The singular pronoun J > is a long o Umlaut - its correct spelling name is "o quoted". BTW, there' > is also an u Umlaut and an U quoted. d  F German has long and short ones, too, but (like with other vowels) the  symbol is the same.e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Feb 2002 23:58:22 -0800$ From: yvonne.dreher@sdm.de (Student) Subject: Information for RACFr= Message-ID: <7b7e519a.0202192358.78504064@posting.google.com>   0 I search information about RACF especially about3 the authentification and authorisation. Can anybodyo help me or send any materials? Tahnk you very much!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:19:14 -0500:- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h! Subject: Re: Information for RACFs, Message-ID: <3C735C01.C0A5D888@videotron.ca>   Student wrote: > 2 > I search information about RACF especially about5 > the authentification and authorisation. Can anybody   > help me or send any materials?  N You would be better off on an IBM / MVS newsgroup as RACF is very specific for IBM mainframes.i   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 08:19:23 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) ! Subject: Re: Information for RACFi' Message-ID: <a4vm6b$kin$1@joe.rice.edu>t  % Student (yvonne.dreher@sdm.de) wrote:r2 : I search information about RACF especially about5 : the authentification and authorisation. Can anybodyt  : help me or send any materials? : Tahnk you very much!   Try the RACF FAQ for starters:  B    http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/racf/faqs.html2    IBM RACF: Frequently asked questions about RACF  ? RACF has nothing to do with VMS, an operating system created by $ Digital Equipment Company, AKA DEC.   8 RACF, Remote Access Control Facility, is an IBM product.    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 12:56:37 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) Subject: Re: Itanium troublesi0 Message-ID: <a506e5$esm$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  9 In article <CSBc8.5451$ro5.1844405@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>,a6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: |> o0 |> ...  I suspect that McKinley will be far more |> respectable than Itanium...  ? It would be hard for it not to be!  Only a company with Intel'siB resources could manage to produce quite such a fiasco - any lesser> one would have gone bankrupt long before.  I think that we can@ fairly safely assume that the McKinley will be a LOT better than the Itanic.n  > This still leaves a lot of margin.  We shall learn more at the> Spring 2002 IDF, but the real indicator will be at Easter.  If= McKinley systems don't start to appear shortly thereafter (byn? which I do NOT mean being for sale), then we can be pretty sureh7 that it will not be ready for production in the summer.e  A A few months slippage won't kill it, but a year's slippage almost:@ certainly would.  A more likely disaster scenario, however, is a@ SMP or interrupt problem of the type that bedevilled the Itanic.B Intel absolutely CANNOT afford any of their major OEMs to withdraw@ a major McKinley range after launch on the grounds that the chip+ doesn't work and needs major reengineering.-  = When I speculated on such things to do with the Merced, I was0@ flamed vigorously and told that they were absolutely impossible.> Well, I had reasons to suspect that they were very likely and,@ in the event, they happened!  I don't THINK that the McKinley isA likely to have the same problems, especially as HP has experiences= where Intel doesn't, but they can't be said to be impossible.l     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:40:55 GMT:4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Itanium troublest9 Message-ID: <XzOc8.6113$ro5.2258985@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>.  , I concur with all the following information.  5 "Nick Maclaren" <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in messaget* news:a506e5$esm$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk... >n; > In article <CSBc8.5451$ro5.1844405@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>,o8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > |>2 > |> ...  I suspect that McKinley will be far more  > |> respectable than Itanium... > A > It would be hard for it not to be!  Only a company with Intel'shD > resources could manage to produce quite such a fiasco - any lesser@ > one would have gone bankrupt long before.  I think that we canB > fairly safely assume that the McKinley will be a LOT better than
 > the Itanic.l > @ > This still leaves a lot of margin.  We shall learn more at the@ > Spring 2002 IDF, but the real indicator will be at Easter.  If? > McKinley systems don't start to appear shortly thereafter (byqA > which I do NOT mean being for sale), then we can be pretty surea9 > that it will not be ready for production in the summer.y >uC > A few months slippage won't kill it, but a year's slippage almost B > certainly would.  A more likely disaster scenario, however, is aB > SMP or interrupt problem of the type that bedevilled the Itanic.D > Intel absolutely CANNOT afford any of their major OEMs to withdrawB > a major McKinley range after launch on the grounds that the chip- > doesn't work and needs major reengineering.l >o? > When I speculated on such things to do with the Merced, I wasiB > flamed vigorously and told that they were absolutely impossible.@ > Well, I had reasons to suspect that they were very likely and,B > in the event, they happened!  I don't THINK that the McKinley isC > likely to have the same problems, especially as HP has experiencev? > where Intel doesn't, but they can't be said to be impossible.t >c >d
 > Regards, > Nick Maclaren,, > University of Cambridge Computing Service,@ > New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. > Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk1 > Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:13:28 -0500l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e Subject: Re: Itanium troubless, Message-ID: <3C73E747.E5107DB5@videotron.ca>   Nick Maclaren wrote:C > A few months slippage won't kill it, but a year's slippage almosts > certainly would.  L I don't think so. Intel has the respect of Wall Street Analysts and has deep3 pockets. This means that Intel can do as it wishes.i  J Besides, delays in new chips and new versions of OS are de-facto standard.! McKinley will come when it comes.t  L Many were brainwashed into thinking that IA64 would become industry standardN and take over the world. Compaq such as Compaq murdered their own  faster chipM in anticipation of that. Itr is those people who are trembling in their pantsaS because they realise now how stupid their decisions to bet their lives on IA64 was.$  J To the rest of the world, life goes on and if/when Intel does produce someL chip that is faster than the 8086, then and only then will they take notice.  L Intel has destroyed Alpha and stolen Digital's compiler people. This may notL only help Intel, but more importantly, even if the compiler and alpha peopleL are paid to do nothing, it still helps Intel because these experienced folks. won't be working for a competing architecture.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 08:46:20 -0800* From: vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham) Subject: Re: MicroVAX Crashu< Message-ID: <8b51ed8.0202200846.3601786c@posting.google.com>  ? We have OpenVMS 6.2 with 200 gb, using several 18 GB drives, we F installed a patch to enable these disks, if it is disk related, see ifE there is a patch available for 6.0. I don't remember exactly what the"E patch (I think there were 3 patches in total) did, but the system andhA apps ran fine, until we tried to backup the 18 gb drives, then ita would crash.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:27:44 -0800 (PST)c. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>3 Subject: Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organizationd@ Message-ID: <20020220112744.80035.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  ) What am I saying for a long time here !!!     * OPENVMS CONSORTIUM NOW !!!!! Or better ... YESTERDAY!!!   Regardsm   FC  ' --- VMS Fan <VMSfan@hotmail.com> wrote:h5 > Users of HP's e3000 and MPE/iX have banded togetherp > to form a newi2 > organization aimed at prolonging the life of the > platform.  See > http://www.openmpe.org/d > 4 > Unfortunately, two of the most intuitively obvious > alternatives have.% > already been ruled out by HP.  Fromi6 > http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OpenBoard-02Feb.html: > 6 > "R&D manager Dave Wilde of the HP 3000 division said
 > that HP has-6 > 'pruned' out the suggestions of selling the division
 > in total ore+ > making MPE a fully Open Sourced project.". > ---a/ > "Rumors of my death are greatly exacerbated."c# >                            -- VMSe  > (with apologies to Mark Twain)     =====o ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Braziln fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.comu   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 05:49:08 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 Subject: Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202200549.4ee1f4e7@posting.google.com>B  v Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:<20020220112744.80035.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>...+ > What am I saying for a long time here !!!a >  > , > OPENVMS CONSORTIUM NOW !!!!! Or better ... > YESTERDAY!!! > 	 > Regardsn >  > FC  ) > --- VMS Fan <VMSfan@hotmail.com> wrote:t7 > > Users of HP's e3000 and MPE/iX have banded together  > > to form a new 4 > > organization aimed at prolonging the life of the > > platform.  See > > http://www.openmpe.org/T > > 6 > > Unfortunately, two of the most intuitively obvious > > alternatives have ' > > already been ruled out by HP.  Fromt8 > > http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OpenBoard-02Feb.html: > > 8 > > "R&D manager Dave Wilde of the HP 3000 division said > > that HP hasc8 > > 'pruned' out the suggestions of selling the division > > in total orI- > > making MPE a fully Open Sourced project."e > > ---i1 > > "Rumors of my death are greatly exacerbated."c% > >                            -- VMSo" > > (with apologies to Mark Twain) >  >  > =====e > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazild > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ==========================  C if Compaq/HP doesn't want "paying" vms customers, and try to do thedE same to vms, then I hope FreeVMS comes out eventually and we will notp' buy any Compaq/HP product again "ever"!w   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 08:56:14 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)o3 Subject: Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0202200856.cb5a6b1@posting.google.com>  g VMSfan@hotmail.com (VMS Fan) wrote in message news:<d0a53e6e.0202191949.414db996@posting.google.com>...eB > "R&D manager Dave Wilde of the HP 3000 division said that HP hasB > 'pruned' out the suggestions of selling the division in total or+ > making MPE a fully Open Sourced project."   E I get the VMS Source Listings CDs, which historically have always hadrE some small subset of the code (at least temporarily) censored because D of pending patent applications, competitive concerns, and so forth. B Perhaps HP could not open-source MPE because of trade secrets thatD would be lost?  Or perhaps it was because the customers feel that an= open-source development paradigm is incapable of supporting ar> high-availability, secure O/S?  (I've heard folks express that% sentiment here, with respect to VMS.)0  C DEC sold the PDP stuff to Mentec, and that seems to have turned out E OK.  I'm a bit surprised HP is ruling out a similar move, and have to@
 wonder why... ? ---------------------------------------------------------------i? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:d> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:59:12 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>:3 Subject: Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization ; Message-ID: <01KEI85KDNC28ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  J > Perhaps HP could not open-source MPE because of trade secrets that would > be lost?    F I would certainly hope that open-sourcing a good product would reveal  some trade secrets!.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:06:22 +0000 (UTC)a From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk3 Subject: Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization-+ Message-ID: <a50oiu$als$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>0  p In article <cf15391e.0202200856.cb5a6b1@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:h >VMSfan@hotmail.com (VMS Fan) wrote in message news:<d0a53e6e.0202191949.414db996@posting.google.com>...C >> "R&D manager Dave Wilde of the HP 3000 division said that HP hasfC >> 'pruned' out the suggestions of selling the division in total or;, >> making MPE a fully Open Sourced project." >nF >I get the VMS Source Listings CDs, which historically have always hadF >some small subset of the code (at least temporarily) censored becauseE >of pending patent applications, competitive concerns, and so forth. wC >Perhaps HP could not open-source MPE because of trade secrets that E >would be lost?  Or perhaps it was because the customers feel that ane> >open-source development paradigm is incapable of supporting a? >high-availability, secure O/S?  (I've heard folks express thatL& >sentiment here, with respect to VMS.) >I  L If the choice is between no MPE and an open sourced MPE why should HP second guess the customers ?LJ After the open-source developers had put in some work either the customersN would want it or they wouldn't. The only reason I could think of for customersL not wanting it open sourced would be if they feared that opening the source N would reveal lots of security holes on the systems they are currently running.C With VMS since the source listings have always been available at a aK semi-reasonable cost this wouldn't be such a concern but I don't know what  ( the availability of MPE source has been.  D >DEC sold the PDP stuff to Mentec, and that seems to have turned outF >OK.  I'm a bit surprised HP is ruling out a similar move, and have to >wonder why...  G Looks to me that HP still believe they can get most of the MPE users to M move to HP-UX and don't want a competing MPE whether open sourced or owned byu+ someone else competing for those customers.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:03:56 +0900 & From: "David Lee" <phongle@kornet.net>% Subject: Re: Network Printer problems.+ Message-ID: <a502mq$bu0$1@news1.kornet.net>e  H Yes, I am able to print from either of my server.  It must  be something3 wrong with my network configuration.  When I do them $ucx ping my_printer/ it said %Lib-E-keyNotFou, key not found in treee ping - unknown host my_printer  
 I then issuedg $ucx ping 7.x.x.xs it displayed( ping: recvfrom  function not implemented  ) 7.x.x.x is the ip address of the printer.   * My current network are lay out as followed  H I have 2 ES-40 (Server) and 2 Alpha workstations, and a network printer.; All these connected through the Ethernet base 10/100 T hub.:  I I have no problems printing from either ES-40.  Only recently I added the08 following lines to the first workstation to test it out.  * $tcpip set host my_printer/address=7.x.x.x> $init/que/start/on=node1::"7.x.x.x:yyyy"/process=ucx$telnetsym  ; I don't know what else to try, do you have any other ideas?c   Thanks Phong   : "UK Garage Scene" <ukgaragescene@aol.com> wrote in message3 news:20020218163106.11675.00001002@mb-bg.aol.com...SE > it depends, have you been able to use the printer before?  have you  assignedI > the correct symbiont to the printer? for tcpip use tcpip$telnetsym when  youaL > initialise the printer, also have specified the correct port to use at the end H > of the IP address?  This can be found through your printer vendor.  OrJ > altogether you can delete the queue and re-initailise it, for tcpip use: > $9L > init/queue/start/on=node1::"7.x.x.x:yyyy"/default=(feed,forms=yourforms)/p > rocess=tcpip$telnetsym > yyyy = tcpip port number   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:55:20 +0100o/ From: Frederik Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org>n Subject: NIS Server for OpenVMSi/ Message-ID: <a50gsk$687$06$1@news.t-online.com>-   Hi!-  A Does anyone over here know if there is a NIS Server available for. OpenVMS/alpha ?.  - Thanks in advance and Greetings from Germany,- 	Freddy5   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:20:54 +0100 (MET)C9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n' Subject: Re: Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$e; Message-ID: <01KEI2L0QH008ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s   > US$ 240.000,00  I If you think it's too expensive, then don't buy it!  Run your company on 0 PCs.  What is the TCO?  2 > ABSURD !!!! How OpenVMS can be a "free and open"0 > operating system with this prices from Oracle.  E First, Oracle is a separate company, and make their own prices.  VMS nI never claimed to be free.  As to "OPEN", well, that has many meanings in  H computer science, not all of which are associated with free or low cost.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:11:22 -0800 (PST)/. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>' Subject: Re: Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$ @ Message-ID: <20020220161122.87653.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>  5 About the "free and open" I was just commenting about 4 the message from Bob Ceculski when he made reference2 to "FreeVMS" ... ridiculous (not Bob) but the idea of a FreeVMS !!!!b  2 Why a FreeVMS if the products are too expensive ? 2 I dont imagine a FreeRDB or FreeManMan or anything" denominated as "Free" for OpenVMS!  4 Ok, I want TCO but the cost of a RDB installation in! my opinion is out of reality !!!!a  . It is the reason of non-growing OpenVMS users.  ' Companies with OpenVMS have a contract t2 because they cant leave this configuration... I am3 begining to have my questions about the TCO offered 1 by OpenVMS x the price to mantain it working ....        Regardsg   FC k     --- Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:  > > US$ 240.000,00 > 6 > If you think it's too expensive, then don't buy it!  > Run your company on  > PCs.  What is the TCO? > 4 > > ABSURD !!!! How OpenVMS can be a "free and open"2 > > operating system with this prices from Oracle. > 5 > First, Oracle is a separate company, and make theirt > own prices.  VMS l5 > never claimed to be free.  As to "OPEN", well, thato > has many meanings in i3 > computer science, not all of which are associated  > with free or low cost.     =====r ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazild fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.come   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:00:51 -0800 (PST)e. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>U Subject: Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$  was (Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization)t@ Message-ID: <20020220140051.18418.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  + Today I received the following information:o  - Each RDB license per processor: US$ 40.000,00y  , If I will buy a 6 processor Gs-80 I will pay   US$ 240.000,00    1 Or each license per user US$ 800,00 x 300 users =    US$ 240.000,00  0 ABSURD !!!! How OpenVMS can be a "free and open". operating system with this prices from Oracle.   Do you know this ???   Do you know the Oracle says ?    "-Buy me or I will eat you"t         RegardsO   FC $  - --- Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:t3 > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote inn	 > message. >u< news:<20020220112744.80035.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>...- > > What am I saying for a long time here !!!p > >  > > . > > OPENVMS CONSORTIUM NOW !!!!! Or better ... > > YESTERDAY!!! > >  > > Regards  > >  > > FC K+ > > --- VMS Fan <VMSfan@hotmail.com> wrote: 0 > > > Users of HP's e3000 and MPE/iX have banded
 > together > > > to form a new 6 > > > organization aimed at prolonging the life of the > > > platform.  See > > > http://www.openmpe.org/o > > > 0 > > > Unfortunately, two of the most intuitively	 > obviousl > > > alternatives have ) > > > already been ruled out by HP.  From  > > >i6 > http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OpenBoard-02Feb.html: > > > 5 > > > "R&D manager Dave Wilde of the HP 3000 divisionn > said > > > that HP hast1 > > > 'pruned' out the suggestions of selling thee
 > division > > > in total or / > > > making MPE a fully Open Sourced project." 	 > > > ---u3 > > > "Rumors of my death are greatly exacerbated." ' > > >                            -- VMSo$ > > > (with apologies to Mark Twain) > >  > > 	 > > =====t > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > 3 > if Compaq/HP doesn't want "paying" vms customers,  > and try to do then, > same to vms, then I hope FreeVMS comes out > eventually and we will not) > buy any Compaq/HP product again "ever"!      =====n ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilK fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:27:45 +0000C% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>.Y Subject: Re: Oracle RDB  ABUSIVE PRICE$  was (Re: MPE/iX users form OpenMPE organization) 8 Message-ID: <gff77uglo7go63a2h8k8m16b29u1jotpnm@4ax.com>  7 On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:00:51 -0800 (PST), Fabio Cardosos! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:d  , >Today I received the following information: >s. >Each RDB license per processor: US$ 40.000,00 >s- >If I will buy a 6 processor Gs-80 I will pay  >  >US$ 240.000,00l  D While I too believe Oracle's prices are close to extortion, it isn'tD just for RDB on VMS. Prices for Oracle classic Enterprise Edition onA multiple processor Sun boxes will also leave you in shock. OraclerE apply factors based on CPU Mhz and type of chip (RISC or CISC).  Thisn? probably penalizes Sun more than anyone else other than Itanic.f   > 2 >Or each license per user US$ 800,00 x 300 users = >a >US$ 240.000,00h  E Now you have to be careful here as technically Oracle want a per usereC license to cover all potential users - not concurrent as it used toiF be. So if you have a web ap which anyone in the world can use you needF a few billion user licenses. In practice, Oracle will work on a two toE one ratio when converting concurrent to potential so I don't know why C they don't just stick with concurrent pricing. Well actually I do -t  they changed to match Microsoft.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:10:37 -0500-* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>C Subject: RE: Oracle RDB ABUSIVE PRICE$ was (Re: MPE/iX users form OM- Message-ID: <0033000053708609000002L092*@MHS>.  4 =0ACompaq has no control over how Oracle prices RDB.  3 The sale of RDB of which to Oracle was possibly thea2 most egregious example of actions for which, IMHO,3 GQ Bob could and should have been nailed for breache& of fiduciary duty to the shareholders.  8 And with respect to your free and open comments, I think  you're confusing VMS with Linux.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET,* Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:02 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETC Subject: Oracle RDB ABUSIVE PRICE$ was (Re: MPE/iX users form OpenM2    + Today I received the following information:n  - Each RDB license per processor: US$ 40.000,00!  , If I will buy a 6 processor Gs-80 I will pay   US$ 240.000,00    3 Or each license per user US$ 800,00 x 300 users =3DX   US$ 240.000,00  0 ABSURD !!!! How OpenVMS can be a "free and open". operating system with this prices from Oracle.   Do you know this ???   Do you know the Oracle says ?t   "-Buy me or I will eat you"t         Regardse   FC  - --- Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:w3 > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote inD	 > messagef >e< news:<20020220112744.80035.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>...- > > What am I saying for a long time here !!!e > >a > >M. > > OPENVMS CONSORTIUM NOW !!!!! Or better ... > > YESTERDAY!!! > >r > > Regardsa > >c > > FC+ > > --- VMS Fan <VMSfan@hotmail.com> wrote:g0 > > > Users of HP's e3000 and MPE/iX have banded
 > together > > > to form a newo6 > > > organization aimed at prolonging the life of the > > > platform.  See > > > http://www.openmpe.org/_ > > >_0 > > > Unfortunately, two of the most intuitively	 > obviouso > > > alternatives haveh) > > > already been ruled out by HP.  Fromo > > >-6 > http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OpenBoard-02Feb.html: > > >05 > > > "R&D manager Dave Wilde of the HP 3000 division: > said > > > that HP haso1 > > > 'pruned' out the suggestions of selling thef
 > division > > > in total ori/ > > > making MPE a fully Open Sourced project."s	 > > > ---03 > > > "Rumors of my death are greatly exacerbated." ' > > >                            -- VMS!$ > > > (with apologies to Mark Twain) > >O > >t > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D!J > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=	 =3D=3D=3DH > > F?bio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazila > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brJ > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=	 =3D=3D=3Do >i3 > if Compaq/HP doesn't want "paying" vms customers,d > and try to do theP, > same to vms, then I hope FreeVMS comes out > eventually and we will not) > buy any Compaq/HP product again "ever"!v     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DHI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=t =3D=3D F?bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=  =3D=3D  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:44:26 -0500"- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>,C Subject: Re: Oracle RDB ABUSIVE PRICE$ was (Re: MPE/iX users form Oo+ Message-ID: <3C73EE86.7410768@videotron.ca>-   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:a > 3 > Compaq has no control over how Oracle prices RDB.y    L It may not have "control", but if it wanted to, it could have influence. ForH instance, in a dream world where Comapq would have decided to make AlphaM competitive and "Industry standard" and make entry level VMS workstations andoN servers to compete head to head against windows, then you can bet you ass thatJ Compaq would have gone to Oracle and told them to make a version of RDB orB Oracle that is priced the same on VMS and Windows for entry level.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:21:18 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> % Subject: Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1t8 Message-ID: <chq67u8q2ccm9g73qcnt5g87o2q0d0aj27@4ax.com>  D On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:29:30 +1200, A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote:   >h >u/ >a)  This what I got after executing rmonstart.a >m >@sys$startup:rmonstartn= >%REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 0 = >%REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 0PC >%REGISTER-I-DUP RDMXSMP, (RDMXSMP, RDB V7.0-1) already in registrys= >%REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 1w2 >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DTI$SHARE& >-CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found+ >$1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DTI$SHAREd >EXE;e > ! >b)     dir sys$library:dti$shareO) >       %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found- >-M >I reinstalled VMS but to no avail.  I even copy  that file from another nodeHA >and execute rmonstart and message I got is to install the image.M  A Well try  INSTALL ADD SYS$LIBRARY:DTI$SHARE:/OPEN/HEAD/SHARE/PROTr  E Although it wouldn't surprise me if it then complains about somethingt else. But worth a try.      9 >This where I got the error when set verify on rmonstart.u >r
 >$ START_MON:a. >$       RMU/MONITOR START /OUTPUT=RDM$MONITOR2 >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DTI$SHARE& >-CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found+ >$1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DTI$SHAREs >EXE;  >0 >$ >$ >q > -----Original Message-----4 >From: 	Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotmail.c0m] + >Sent:	Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:50 AMe >To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >Subject:	Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1 >9 >Hi, >b* >What is the secondary error message(s)??? >e >If you do a :-3 >  >$dir sys$library:dti$share> >r >What does it say? >n >fL >As others have pointed out, you could possibly copy just that shareable andJ >install it or worst comes to worst re-install VMS and is should reappear. >Maybe someone has deleted it? >(J >My best guess is still that it's just not installed but you're not giving >away too much., >dL >Out of curiosity if rmonstart lets you set verify, what image is it running >when you get the error? >h >Regards Richard Maher.s >e2 >A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in messageB >news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155C5@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ... >> Richard,e >>L >> How can I install DECdtm? Do I have to re-install VMS or can just install% >> DECdtm?  Where can I find the kit.h. >> I'm abit new to VMS.. excuse me for asking.	 >> Thanksc >> >> -----Original Message-----i4 >> From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotmail.c0m]* >> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:56 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >> Subject: Re: Oracle RDB Server V7.0-1 >> >> Hi,+ >> It's part of DECdtm that comes with VMS.sH >> What's the secondary error? "Prot shareables must be installed"? Then >> install it.* >> INSTALL> lis sys$library:dti$share/full. >> DISK$OPENVMS062:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXEI >>    DTI$SHARE;1      Open Hdr Shar     Prot Lnkbl                Nopurga) >>         Entry access count         = 1 - >>         Current / Maximum shared   = 2 / 4,) >>         Global section count       = 3  >> >> >> Regards Richard Maher.m4 >> A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote in messageD >> news:BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FF6155BC@EXCHSVR.FSC.COM.FJ... >> > Hi Alle >> >3 >> > I'm using Oracle RDB V 7.0-1 on OpenVMS v7.2-1  >> >L >> > When I execute @sys$startup:rmonstart to start RDB, I got the following >> > error msg;m >> >% >> > error activating image DTI$SHARER >> >H >> > Where can I get this image file? Do I have to install another layer >> product?t >> > If so which one?m >> > >> > Need your helpt >> > >> > ABh >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >n >d   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:57:07 -0500u2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: Oracle RDB v7.0-1* Message-ID: <3C73B943.79F79041@oracle.com>   A Bonaveidogo wrote: >  > This is what I did.... > I > a)      transfer a copy of dti$share from another node which is running  > openvms 7.1-2nN > b)      apply this command to install the image  (my machine runs on openvms > 7.2-1)6 >                         install add /open/share/prot> > c)      execute rmonstart and it works.... no error message.H >                         I could see RDMS_Monitor when I do show system > # > Now I've got another problem.....n > ? > When invoking the database I got the following error message;  > F >         %GSR-E-DB-UNKNOWN, database is not known to specified engine >  > Need help0  . 	I'd suggest that you call Oracle Rdb support!   	but first - what is GSR?e   >  > thanks >  > AB   -- r> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:07:00 GMT  From: danco@pebble.org Subject: Re: Oracle RDB v7.0-1- Message-ID: <slrna77ltl.gsi.danco@pebble.org>r  @ In article <3C73B943.79F79041@oracle.com>, norm lastovica wrote:  G >>         %GSR-E-DB-UNKNOWN, database is not known to specified engine) > 	but first - what is GSR?   
 Let me guess.r  ? He appears to be invoking his database through another product.2; In this case the product appears to be GEMBASE.  GSR is theo9 facility message code for the GEMBASE Standard Relational$= Interface (an unregistered facility code)  GSRI is a databasen9 independant API layer above several other database engine.= specific (RMS, RDB, Oracle, MSSQL, etc) layers in the GEMBASE  product.  = However, the reason that GEMBASE can't invoke the database isT< likely to be environmental (e.g., that the version of RDB in; question hasn't been properly started, etc).  Can he invokeI: the database with RDO either?  Probably not.  However, the2 error message from RDO might be more illuminating.   - Dann   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 15:51:05 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)y6 Subject: OT: Computer Associates' Books Under Scrutiny' Message-ID: <a50gl9$dla$3@joe.rice.edu>c+ Keywords: computerassociates,books,scrutiny"  ,    http://news.com.com/2100-1001-840898.htmlC    Computer Associates' books under scrutiny - Tech News - CNET.com   ,    Computer Associates' books under scrutiny
    By Reuters2     February 20, 2002, 5:20 AM PT  G   "NEW YORK--Federal prosecutors have opened a preliminary inquiry intosH    whether Computer Associates International deliberately overstated itsH    profits to inflate its stock price and financially benefit its senior2    executives, according to a report on Wednesday.  D    Since October 2000, the Islandia, N.Y.-based software company has?    reported its financial results using a nonstandard pro formanH    accounting practice that makes its profits and sales seem much largerA    than would standard accounting rules, The New York Times said.   F    Former employees have said that Computer Associates began using proI    forma accounting because it had run out of ways to inflate its resultsiD    under standard accounting rules and had to find a new method, the    paper said.  C    Early Wednesday, the company issued a statement in response to aID    similar report by the Long Island newspaper Newsday, in which theF    company said it had not been contacted by the authorities regardingC    any investigation, and did not know what, if anything, was beingr    investigated.  F    Newsday said investigators are looking into whether the company hasF    properly distinguished between revenue it receives from the sale ofD    software and the fees it charges to service, upgrade and maintain    those software products.i  H    "The reporting of our financial results has always been in accordanceD    with all applicable accounting principles," the company statement    said.  E    "If there are questions, we look forward to being contacted and to_G    having the opportunity to defend against hearsay and what we believeoI    will prove to be unwarranted concerns," the Computer Associates added.-  D    The assistant U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York,F    which oversees Long Island, was interested in setting up interviewsI    with former Computer Associates employees but did not indicate whether01    he planned to issue subpoenas, the Times said.o  @    The collapse of Enron has resulted in new scrutiny of unusual!    corporate accounting methods."l  M A description of pro forma earnings is available at (URL wrapped to 2 lines):s  &    http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/2    articles.cfm?catid=1&articleid=490&homepage=yes    Knowledge@Wharton ->    Pro Forma Earnings Reports: A Deceptive View of Performance    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:49:35 +0100 ' From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@surfeu.ch>w0 Subject: Re: OT: Humour - Capitalism Enron style4 Message-ID: <VA.00000548.503e5926@bluewin.delete.ch>  B In article <a4tmu7$1hr$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, Bill Gunshannon wrote:6 > In article <VA.0000053d.4106e3f4@bluewin.delete.ch>,4 >  Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> writes: > |> This gem just arrived...  > |> n! > |> Big bucks in the bull market  > |> fM > |> In case you were wondering how Enron came into so much trouble, here is oK > |> an explanation reputedly given by a Texas A&M professor to explain it  , > |> in terms his students could understand. > |> h > |> Capitalismd > |> You have two cows.F! > |> You sell one and buy a bull.w1 > |> Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.D, > |> You sell them and retire on the income. > |>   > |> Enron Capitalism G > |> You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed lK > |> company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the mL > |> bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer M > |> so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. =L > |> The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to M > |> a Cayman Island company secretly owned by your CFO who sells the rights =K > |> to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says  = > |> the company owns eight cows, with an option on six more.  > |> lI > |> Now do you see why a company with $62 billion in assets is declaring  > |> bankruptcy?     = > ; > OK, I think I understand now.  Just one question, though.i > ' > Who gets to keep the seventeen cows??= > ( LOL. That's the bit I can't work out :-) ____
 Paul Sture Switzerlando4 The above address is real but doesn't get looked at.- To reply use paul dot sture at bluewin dot ch-   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 03:13:38 -0800$ From: czajanek@scholze.de (Czajanek)F Subject: Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare= Message-ID: <c6aeb53c.0202200313.6b60f1f6@posting.google.com>n  Z labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:<3C72B269.82C5C71@wanadoo.fr>... > Czajanek wrote:d > ; > > Until yet there is no possibility in TCPWARE to triggere7 > > the performance of our OpenVMS Advanced Server likes8 > > "$ucx set prot /tcp=noacknoledge" or something else.9 > > Therefore our client users report a very slow server.u > >r8 > > The compaq support told us in setting this parameter< > > will increase the performance from the "Advanced Server", > > about 200%. But we have TCPWARE not UCX. > >f> > > The TCPWARE Support said: The application have to set thisD > > parameter. Our drivers and ip-stacks are capable to accept this. > >x< > > Now we are sitting between two chairs playing Ping-Pong. > >rJ > > Shall we trash our OpenVMS-Platforms??? going to Microtrash or Linux?? > >n > >n > > -- > > Hope we get help!! > >  > > U. Czajanekc > > SCHOLZE Ing. GmbHa >  > Hellod >  > Could you add a few detailsr( > Platform (Alpha, Vax , Itanium :^)...) > Vms Version ?t > Advanced server Version ?o > I suppose you mean > ucx set proto tcp /nodelayG > But according to circonstances, this is not the only thing that helps  > performance. > 	 > Regards- >  > Grard  < Our Platform is Alpha 2100 4/275, 3CPU, 1GB RAM, 80 MB SCSI,9 OpenVMS 7.2.1 with serveral ECO's, Advanced Server 7.2 A.w  A We have tested (we hope we have tested ;-) all performance screws*A we could reach. The only screw we couldn't reach is the describedhA one because we have TCPware and not UCX. The Performance increaseeE by using the described parameter was tested by Compaq and we need it.a   Thank you for your response.   U. Czajaneke   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:50:19 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> F Subject: Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare8 Message-ID: <52377ukabhi0n0luannvgi8rgjjcs5ufsg@4ax.com>  D On 20 Feb 2002 03:13:38 -0800, czajanek@scholze.de (Czajanek) wrote:     > = >Our Platform is Alpha 2100 4/275, 3CPU, 1GB RAM, 80 MB SCSI,e: >OpenVMS 7.2.1 with serveral ECO's, Advanced Server 7.2 A. >eB >We have tested (we hope we have tested ;-) all performance screwsB >we could reach. The only screw we couldn't reach is the describedB >one because we have TCPware and not UCX. The Performance increaseF >by using the described parameter was tested by Compaq and we need it.  F I know of sites which have dropped Pathworks precisely because of thisE problem and have informed Compaq. Despite this the last I was told itoC was not a priority fix due to design limitations. TCPWARE vendor isfC absolutely correct that pathworks should provide the config options C and not force a system manager to change global params just to work  around Pathworks stupidity.r  E Note I have seen performance increases close to 1000% never mind 200% ! when UCX is the underlying stack.    >  >Thank you for your response.a >d >U. Czajanek   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:15:29 +0100t& From: A Razzak <razzakaSP@Mcompaq.com>F Subject: Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare+ Message-ID: <3C73BD91.853BFDEC@Mcompaq.com>n   Alan  &   Two Applications using TCPIP stack :  5 	Application A (says)   Set Protocol TCP /nodelay_ackD3 	Application B (says)   Set Protocol TCP /Delay_ack   &   Both running on the same VMS System.   2. t    UCX Provides this command.n!    TCPware have no such commands.M  1 3. UCX    Another way to do the same thing in UCX -           $ @sys$startup:tcpip$define_commans " 	  $ sysconfig -q inet tcpnodelack  / 	This Programm is 87 blocks on the disk  (v 5.) D    Maybe someone, knowing the structs of TCPware can write a similer programm   mfg, Abdul Razzak   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:26:34 -0500i/ From: "McCarthy Kevin P." <McCarthyKP@BWSC.ORG>.F Subject: Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare: Message-ID: <4C519CCC638BD411A4270000F8CD1D8230AC17@NTSV2>  G We are on the verge of moving all of our Pathworks shares to NT/Win2000cH servers because of this.  We are running Pathworks 6.1 and TCPware on anF ES40 833 MHz with HSG 80s and Gig Ethernet, but for serving data filesE to AutoCAD 2002 a 866 MHz Win NT server is 1 or 2 orders of magnitudep< faster.  A single user with winzip made our PW server crawl.  H I think that The Pathwork groups priorities are not in the right places.C They talk about how they have "fixed" the printer bits; well it was_@ broken for so long that we always used NT print queues on the NT servers.   Kevin McCarthy Boston Water & Sewer Commission-     -----Original Message------ From: Alan Greig [mailto:a.greig@virgin.net] i/ Posted At: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:50 AMC Posted To: vmsG Conversation: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare F Subject: Re: Poor Performance with OpenVMS Advanced Server and TCPWare  D On 20 Feb 2002 03:13:38 -0800, czajanek@scholze.de (Czajanek) wrote:     >r= >Our Platform is Alpha 2100 4/275, 3CPU, 1GB RAM, 80 MB SCSI, : >OpenVMS 7.2.1 with serveral ECO's, Advanced Server 7.2 A. >lB >We have tested (we hope we have tested ;-) all performance screwsB >we could reach. The only screw we couldn't reach is the describedB >one because we have TCPware and not UCX. The Performance increaseF >by using the described parameter was tested by Compaq and we need it.  F I know of sites which have dropped Pathworks precisely because of thisE problem and have informed Compaq. Despite this the last I was told itcC was not a priority fix due to design limitations. TCPWARE vendor is2C absolutely correct that pathworks should provide the config optionsTC and not force a system manager to change global params just to workr around Pathworks stupidity.g  E Note I have seen performance increases close to 1000% never mind 200%e! when UCX is the underlying stack.T   >D >Thank you for your response.1 >l >U. Czajanek   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:21:30 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>F2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS+ Message-ID: <3C735C89.C2729D3@videotron.ca>y   Bill Todd wrote:N > That last comment was *way* out of line (if it referred to technical people, > as it appeared to).t  L How else would you call someone with extremely strong convictions of "A" andL then, after getting some bonus or other incentive, starts to say that he/she has strong convictions of "B" ?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:16:51 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aur2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS5 Message-ID: <01KEIAW3FDQA005D2B@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>r   Bill Todd wrote:; >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message[' >news:3C732F7D.CCB78621@videotron.ca...  >0 >... > K >> HP gains access to the clustering and TCP technologies and access to theaN >> experienced employees who would make a difference. Those have probably beenH >> given hefty bonuses to not only stay at Compaq/HP but also prortitute- >> themselves to defend the companies' plans.3 > M >That last comment was *way* out of line (if it referred to technical people,  >as it appeared to).  M Not true, Bill (that J-F's comment was out of line).  In another life in the sM UK (one of several reasons that I ended up here -- .au not c.o.v :-) ), as a gN technical programmer I had to prostitute myself.  Hmm, no hefty bonus, I just 1 had to support a wife and young son and daughter.   H From my experience, my sympathy goes to our VMS engineers.  They might, K however, be right in their expectations and we wrong.  Regardless, I would FJ expect them to be primarily interested in keeping the bank account in the  black.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:09:53 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>S2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS8 Message-ID: <pqs67uk6eqggk3u285ggu5op4bnf3vntao@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:16:51 +0010, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auf wrote:    N >Not true, Bill (that J-F's comment was out of line).  In another life in the N >UK (one of several reasons that I ended up here -- .au not c.o.v :-) ), as a O >technical programmer I had to prostitute myself.  Hmm, no hefty bonus, I just  2 >had to support a wife and young son and daughter.  E One of the leading UK business packages of the 70s and 80s was called>E BOS "Business Operating System" and originally ran mainly on PDP-11s.sA As time went on there were VAX, DOS, Unix ports etc. Eventually a>E complete re-write was done in C and this became the code base for DOS C and Unix. The company (BOS/Global 2000) decided to farm out supportC: for the VMS version and not to port the new C code to VMS.  C I worked for the company supporting the VMS version and at customeraE site visits we were often asked about plans to port the new C code. Ir@ was instructed to say it was all scheduled even though I knew itA wasn't. I would not do it.  More and more, as I got involved withoC technical marketing support, I found myself being asked to bend the D truth by high paid sales directors with dubious habits. Had I played* along I would be a rich sales guy by now.   D However, I consider the public Compaq posters to c.o.v. to be honestF and am not suggesting anyone has told lies about the VMS Itanium port. -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:26:04 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS@ Message-ID: <20020220112604.12358.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  , May be it is time for an emulated version of
 Hp3000/MPE like CHARON-VAX...     Regards    FC  ' --- VMS Fan <VMSfan@hotmail.com> wrote: 4 > I've often seen the profitability of VMS presented > here as a reason( > why Compaq wouldn't possibly kill it.  > Unfortunately, it appearsR6 > profitability wasn't enough to save the HP e3000 and > MPE/iX.  It's05 > also interesting that HP apparently had a policy ofb
 > refusing to 5 > release any data as to the products' profitability.o >  > From5 > http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OnExtra68-01Nov.html- > ( > A system even profits couldn't protect( > --------------------------------------5 > During the past few years the mantra of "but it's aa > profitable product3 > line" was often invoked by HP 3000 customers.  HPc > was measuring the 4 > prospects for the product in other ways, according > to comments from HP-4 > CSY General Manager Winston Prather.  The decision > was sparked by1 > CSY's estimation of the strength of the partneru > community, an entity > it calls "the ecosystem."a > 3 > As usual, Prather couldn't comment on whether thea > mantra ofd5 > profitability in recent years was true.  But he dida > say that "The 3 > profitability of the product line was not part ofS > why we made this6 > decision.  So whether we were losing money or making > money, we're2 > trying to figure out what is the right thing for > customers ando5 > predicting the future.  This wasn't a balance sheet  > decision.  This . > was a 'what's the right thing for customers' > decision.  To be realm6 > honest, we just rolled an entire new product line -- > and it would have 3 > been financially better for us to sell them for ai > year before we made 6 > a decision like this."  HP hopes to sell its A-Class
 > and N-Class0 > computers for two more years.s     =====s ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?2 Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.comq   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 05:57:51 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202200557.14ceae66@posting.google.com>b  g VMSfan@hotmail.com (VMS Fan) wrote in message news:<d0a53e6e.0202191843.53f77e91@posting.google.com>...rE > I've often seen the profitability of VMS presented here as a reasoneB > why Compaq wouldn't possibly kill it.  Unfortunately, it appearsD > profitability wasn't enough to save the HP e3000 and MPE/iX.  It'sA > also interesting that HP apparently had a policy of refusing toa5 > release any data as to the products' profitability.g > : > From http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OnExtra68-01Nov.html > ( > A system even profits couldn't protect( > --------------------------------------H > During the past few years the mantra of "but it's a profitable productE > line" was often invoked by HP 3000 customers.  HP was measuring the H > prospects for the product in other ways, according to comments from HPC > CSY General Manager Winston Prather.  The decision was sparked byeF > CSY's estimation of the strength of the partner community, an entity > it calls "the ecosystem."o > = > As usual, Prather couldn't comment on whether the mantra of"C > profitability in recent years was true.  But he did say that "The D > profitability of the product line was not part of why we made thisC > decision.  So whether we were losing money or making money, we'rea@ > trying to figure out what is the right thing for customers andE > predicting the future.  This wasn't a balance sheet decision.  ThismD > was a 'what's the right thing for customers' decision.  To be realH > honest, we just rolled an entire new product line -- and it would haveG > been financially better for us to sell them for a year before we madetB > a decision like this."  HP hopes to sell its A-Class and N-Class > computers for two more years.E  G so HP like Palmer/DEC is going to make customers decisions for them ...dC if they try to do the same to VMS, we will make a decision to neverpD purchase another single anything from Compaq/HP again!  These peopleK are either paid off or plain "dum"!  You listen to your customers!  I thinkaI we are all intelligent enough in our field to know what we need and want,(G but these bean counters and know nothing ceos and managers are going toeJ tell us what's best for us?  Sounds like Bill Gates is behind this one ...   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 13:40:29 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)a2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS' Message-ID: <a5090d$85o$1@joe.rice.edu>6  / Fabio Cardoso (fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br) wrote:@. : May be it is time for an emulated version of : Hp3000/MPE : like CHARON-VAX... :hD There's been some discussion in the comp.sys.hp.mpe newsgroup about G SRI doing an HP3000 emulator. Robert Boers, robert.boers@softresint.coma has posted there several times.t  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:43:05 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS9 Message-ID: <ZBOc8.6115$ro5.2259603@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net>   / "VMS Fan" <VMSfan@hotmail.com> wrote in messagec7 news:d0a53e6e.0202191843.53f77e91@posting.google.com...-E > I've often seen the profitability of VMS presented here as a reasonaB > why Compaq wouldn't possibly kill it.  Unfortunately, it appearsD > profitability wasn't enough to save the HP e3000 and MPE/iX.  It'sA > also interesting that HP apparently had a policy of refusing toy5 > release any data as to the products' profitability.> > : > From http://www.3000newswire.com/FN-OnExtra68-01Nov.html  L Yep. My only rejoinder comes from a senior CPQ person who said "if we had to/ kill one of the OSes, we killed the right one."i  K It remains to be seen if the CPQ person has a single-shot bolt-action riflea or a double-barrelled shotgun!   cheers,    terry s    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:59:23 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMSC Message-ID: <fROc8.123034$Re2.10196541@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>-  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3C735C89.C2729D3@videotron.ca...a > Bill Todd wrote:H > > That last comment was *way* out of line (if it referred to technical people,c > > as it appeared to).g >rJ > How else would you call someone with extremely strong convictions of "A" andwG > then, after getting some bonus or other incentive, starts to say that  he/she! > has strong convictions of "B" ?   H I'd say provide a specific example of someone technical who's done that.  K Fred certainly doesn't qualify (even if he has received such a bonus or thepJ promise of such, which I certainly don't know one way or the other):  he'sK consistently said he wasn't happy with the Alphacide, and that he felt that L VMS could be ported successfully to Itanic (which I suspect is true, and hasF little to do with the relative virtues of doing so).  And while he hasH supported the contention that Alpha would have lost its performance edgeJ over time, he has said this belief comes from his trust in others who haveK told him so rather than from primary evidence - which may make him somewhat , gullible, but doesn't make him a prostitute.  J In other words, he's trying to make the best of a bad situation he doesn'tH think he can otherwise do anything about.  I certainly wouldn't call him/ unbiased, but that's not the same thing at all.i  K People like Marcello and Gorham have jobs that require them to be corporate I whores in situations like this:  I sympathize with their predicament, butCH that doesn't change what they are.  People like Fred do not, and while IK think his spirited defense is misguided (mostly because it's so unbalanced) : I also believe it's wholly voluntary rather than paid for.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 08:30:55 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris).2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0202200830.1808946@posting.google.com>  f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<uLXVUgAH2guH@eisner.encompasserve.org>..., > 	Was there ever any reasonable or ballpark? > 	numbers attached to MPE profitability and/or installed base? = > 	(I recall installed base numbers, but never anything aboutC> > 	profits).  The reason I ask, is ... are they getting rid ofC > 	a $800 million dollar profit center?  $600 million?  $3 million?e  < It appears from the quote that HP had a strict policy of notF commenting on the profitability of various pieces of the company (manyA companies do that for competitive-intelligence reasons), and eveneD sticks to that policy after the cancellation, still refusing to this7 day to say if the HP3000 was producing a profit or not.s  B While Compaq admittedly hasn't volunteered very much detail on VMSD business in the quarterly financial results, for example, they don'tF blindly follow a "no-info" policy like HP seems to have.  I think theyE have been quite forthcoming when the right questions are asked of thenB right people in an appropriate venue.  At DECUS/CETS meetings, forE example, we have received guidance at various times over the last fewzC years, with numbers like "$4 billion VMS revenues with $800 million @ profits", "single-digit growth for the year", "$2 billion in VMSE service revenues", and so forth.  So we're not being kept in the dark % like the HP3000 crowd apparently was.c  D Given that the VMS installed base (411,000) is about 10 times as bigC as the HP3000 base (about 40,000), I'd expect probably 10 times the E revenues and profits.  That's an order of magnitude difference, which./ probably makes VMS an order of magnitude safer.v? ---------------------------------------------------------------g? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:s> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:41:15 -0800a' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS+ Message-ID: <3C73D1AB.C0C18456@caltech.edu>    VMS Fan wrote: >   .= > As usual, Prather couldn't comment on whether the mantra ofdC > profitability in recent years was true.  But he did say that "The D > profitability of the product line was not part of why we made thisC > decision.  So whether we were losing money or making money, we'rea@ > trying to figure out what is the right thing for customers andE > predicting the future.  This wasn't a balance sheet decision.  Thiss8 > was a 'what's the right thing for customers' decision.  P Oh please, save us from management types who think they know what's best for us!N They can all kiss my affinity. If these HP users were happy and HP really gaveL a damn about them and didn't want to support the product any longer it wouldJ have spun off or sold off (think Mentec and PDP) the product.  Killing theO product is just a ham handed way of trying to force users to migrate to anotherr of your2I products - and it usually results in them migrating to a competitor.  ThedL sole exception I can think of was the VAX->Alpha transition under VMS, whereF that was very clearly an upgrade path requiring minimal changes by theJ customers.  When we went VMS VAX->Alpha the end users asked  "how come theI VAX is so fast these days?", which was much less painful than the current.B VMS->Unix transition and "what the heck is this grep nonsense???".   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 10:43:35 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)e2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS3 Message-ID: <B7YfksibfIdH@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  p In article <cf15391e.0202200830.1808946@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<uLXVUgAH2guH@eisner.encompasserve.org>...- >> 	Was there ever any reasonable or ballparke@ >> 	numbers attached to MPE profitability and/or installed base?> >> 	(I recall installed base numbers, but never anything about? >> 	profits).  The reason I ask, is ... are they getting rid of D >> 	a $800 million dollar profit center?  $600 million?  $3 million? > > > It appears from the quote that HP had a strict policy of notH > commenting on the profitability of various pieces of the company (manyC > companies do that for competitive-intelligence reasons), and even:F > sticks to that policy after the cancellation, still refusing to this9 > day to say if the HP3000 was producing a profit or not.  > D > While Compaq admittedly hasn't volunteered very much detail on VMSF > business in the quarterly financial results, for example, they don'tH > blindly follow a "no-info" policy like HP seems to have.  I think theyG > have been quite forthcoming when the right questions are asked of the:D > right people in an appropriate venue.  At DECUS/CETS meetings, forG > example, we have received guidance at various times over the last fewtE > years, with numbers like "$4 billion VMS revenues with $800 million.B > profits", "single-digit growth for the year", "$2 billion in VMSG > service revenues", and so forth.  So we're not being kept in the darkf' > like the HP3000 crowd apparently was.n > F > Given that the VMS installed base (411,000) is about 10 times as bigE > as the HP3000 base (about 40,000), I'd expect probably 10 times theoG > revenues and profits.  That's an order of magnitude difference, which 1 > probably makes VMS an order of magnitude safer..   <BEGIN PRAISE>  E 	Thanks for a concise, well-reasoned analysis.  The word ProfessionalvC 	is much abused these days (Just two days ago, I hear:  "That isn't,D 	very Professional!") and used to be abusive.  But in every instance? 	you strike me as a Professional in the good sense of the word!r  
 </END PRAISE>    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:40:39 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>k2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS, Message-ID: <3C73EDA3.840B56CE@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:rE > if they try to do the same to VMS, we will make a decision to nevere9 > purchase another single anything from Compaq/HP again! 3  J They have empirical evidence based on Palmer's experiment on the attritionA rate. They would have factored that into any decision they make. f  N According to Compaq, customers received the news of the downgrade to IA64 veryN favourably and were very happy about it. I am sure HP will be able to spin theF news of the downgrade from VMS to Linux or Windows just as favourably.  E Now, consider this. With only HP and, to some extent, IBM left in thesM "enterprise" wintel market, when you need to build a big oracle database, are1L you going to be dealing with Gateway or Dell, or will you be dealing with HPM which has extensive support infrastructure and lots of integration deals withh Oracle, SAP etc ?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:34:49 +0100h' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net>c$ Subject: Re: Proposal - Hobbyist FAQ( Message-ID: <3C735FA9.61930176@spam.net>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: [SNIP]   > >aI > > Not really. He obviously didn't read your posting carefully otherwiseoH > > he would have noticed that two of his examples are completely OT and+ > > the other two are not good ones either.  >  > My *GOODNESS* !!!s > E > Were you weaned on a pickle or something? Too many pages at the weea > hours of the morning?e > F > He asked about "programming resources" and mentioned "Forms" in thatH > context. I responded with appropriate topics. FMS and FDV$ calls exist: > as does the DECforms API, if I'm not too badly mistaken. > J > ...or have you never heard of (SYS)$SNDJBC? There are function codes for3 > manipulating forms, jobs, files within jobs, etc.0 > D > Well, William received them as pertinent to his query. That's good > enough for me.  8 It seems that you also didn't read his answer carefully.  	 He wrote:VG "Back to the main topic of this thread, this is another reason for thateG  list of just what some of the layered products are. I mention the wordn/  Forms and you know _4_ places it might apply."e  F Your argument is circular. Because you didn't answer appropriately he C thinks that there are several places. Why do you refer to a newbie   for helping your point?i  	 He wrote: F "a tutorial on how to use Forms (since it's on the hobbyist PAK list."  B To decide whether your answer meets the condition imposed by this . question is left as an exercise to the reader.   Don't make it complicated.   --  6 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequence   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:25:34 +0100 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>o Subject: re: Semaphores 6 Message-ID: <00A09D92.28C4FDFD.7@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > H > >But remember that like many synchronization methods, the Lock ManagerF > >is only effective with cooperating pieces of software.  If you needF > >something to prevent malicious users from writing their own program< > >to spoil things, it will take more than the Lock Manager. > $ > The "disuser" flag works for that. >   G Better, if you worry about uncooperative (ab)users, then providing theyf< don't have CMEXEC or CMKRNL privileges, use exec-mode locks!  G How do you do that without privileges, I hear you ask? Simple: use the tL record(s) in an ISAM file. RMS exec-interfaces to the lock manager for you; L the record becomes the data area protected by the semaphore. Read atomicallyL locks it, or fails if it's in use. Rewrite unlocks it (or you can explicitlyD drop the lock, or implicitly drop it by reading a different record).  N Of course, it won't always map well onto whatever your original code was up toG with semaphores and shared data areas. But when it does, it's easy, and=4 as a bonus it's cluster-aware with no added effort.    	Yours,u
 		Nigel Arnot!- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   t  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 07:32:18 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a Subject: Re: Semaphores73 Message-ID: <FXFNbx6HqgbO@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  [ In article <3C72482C.4727C785@nospam.nowhere>, Paul Parsons <nospam@nospam.nowhere> writes:>J > I'm trying to port some code from Solaris to VMS and it involves the useJ > of semaphores to prevent more than one user from accessing a resource at > the same time.  G    Are these POSIX threads semaphores?  If so, they should be availablepG    on VMS.  If not, can you convert thse code to use something from thet    POSIX thread library?    h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:46:08 GMTr1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>- Subject: Re: sexist language5 Message-ID: <40Mc8.268$j7.19279@nasal.pacific.net.au>t  : Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:G >> ``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functionalnF >> name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why doH >> these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist thanG >> the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''mC >> is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward.r  K > And now for something completely different---the bogus Hungarian-English t= > phrase book!  (Apologies to folks who aren't following the n" > hovercraft-full-of-eels thread.)  J > Hungarian has a non-gendered 3d person singular pronoun,  (o-Umlaut or  > compose o " ).  @ 	Correct, as a Hungarian I can confirm this. However, to be more@ 	precise, the whole Hungarian language is gender neutral, to the2 	delight of the PC ( politically correct ) people.  A 	It has a lot more differences, due to the fact that it is not of  	Indo-European origin. 						Cheers,   Csabaa  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------gE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogaE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.nI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------u;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:04:03 +0100c, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>7 Subject: Re: sexist language (was: Younger recruits...) 8 Message-ID: <1014210121.531733@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>  L "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag5 news:01KEGW324FMM8ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... G >> ``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functionalhF >> name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why doH >> these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist thanG >> the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''sC >> is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward.-  I >And now for something completely different---the bogus Hungarian-English-; >phrase book!  (Apologies to folks who aren't following theC! >hovercraft-full-of-eels thread.)e  H >Hungarian has a non-gendered 3d person singular pronoun,  (o-Umlaut or >compose o " ).y  K To be exact, it's an o with quotation marks on it, not dots - it's a long odI Umlaut. The hungarian language knows to kinds of o Umlaut: the short withrH dots and the long with quotation marks. The singular pronoun is a long oI Umlaut - its correct spelling name is "o quoted". BTW, there is also an us Umlaut and an U quoted.i   Greetings, Ferry   -- Ing. Ferry Bolharl% Municipality of Vienna, Department 14s A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIAu E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.atm   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 04:05 CSTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)oU Subject: Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (s- Message-ID: <20FEB200204052417@gerg.tamu.edu>    bill@cs.scranton.edu writes...* }In article <3C72ACD0.1CDB6F93@cisco.com>,) } J Ahlstrom <jahlstro@cisco.com> writes:, }|> J }|>                                       and most recently discovered theN }|> >singular "they"  in C. S. Lewis' *The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe*.F }|> >That example was along the lines of "everyone had what THEY likedK }|> >best to eat."  If it's good enough for CSL--no mean stylist--it's goodt }|> >enough for me.m } D }Maybe i shouldn't have slept through all those english classes, butC }I read the above as "everyone" being plural, not singular and THEYyA }as agreeing with it.  Surely 'every" implies more than just one.o }  }bille- }(Who doesn't claim to be an english expert.)g  > In the above example do you suppose they took a vote to decide? what they liked best and then all ate that one thing, or do youy? suppose that each of them individually had what he/she/it likedw best to eat?  3 If it is the former, then the "they" is the plural.y1 If it is the latter, then the "they" is singular.h  
 More or less.   H Is it "one VAX, two VAXes", "one VAX, two VAXen", or "one VAX, two VAX"?   --- Carl   One VAXa Two VAXu Red VAXn Blue VAX   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 07:30:58 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) U Subject: Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (i3 Message-ID: <1Vb5c3g2Cm1p@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  W In article <20FEB200204052417@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:t > J > Is it "one VAX, two VAXes", "one VAX, two VAXen", or "one VAX, two VAX"?  3    Obviously the plural of "VAX" is "cluster".  8-)l  A    IMHO two VAXes clean the carpet faster than one VAX, two VAXenb"    are almost as good as an Alpha.  @    But the correct answer is:  one VAX, one Alpha, and a PDP-11.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:52:57 +0010t% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au @ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?5 Message-ID: <01KEIA2FQ15U005C2C@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>-   Martin Vorlaender wrote:  
 >ROTFLASTC > 4 >I *love* the humor the engineers have put into VMS.  O At least it is humour and textual, unlike the Easter Eggs some other party has 6H provided.  And the stupid animations. that I see on colleagues' screens.  E BTW, you now learn American English as opposed to English English :-)n   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:12:47 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>p@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?; Message-ID: <01KEHTWNL3CI8Y7KQF@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  E > SS$_ is the symbolic rendition of the System facility code that VMSi@ > displays as %SYSTEM-.  It has nothing to do with Secure Shell.  6 %USER-E-TYPETOFAST, user typed message before thinking   :-(   C Seeing SS in connection with FISH (which is a freeware secure-shella. client for VMS) made me think of secure shell.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 07:49:45 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)u@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?3 Message-ID: <nQfzcGzEVrpf@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  X In article <02022000533901.04934@bwian>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > / > %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eelse  @    As has been previously recorded, it's an internal error value8    that is not supposed to ever be returned to the user.  B    Perhaps someday they'll fix %SYSTEM-S-ACCVIO, which I assume we    were also not meant to see.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 07:52:46 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?3 Message-ID: <scu7PU9xt9qA@eisner.encompasserve.org>'  U In article <3C729555.6040507@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:r  K > There used to be a substitute message file from years past that could be rH > used to replace a majority of the system messages, typically on April H > Fools Day.  It was fun and funny for a day or two but hot its obvious 8 > draw-backs...  Anyone remember where that file is/was?    Came complete with instructions:   From explorer.csc.com!aplcenmp!netnews.jhuapl.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news Fri Mar 29 08:43:17 1996i Path: explorer.csc.com!aplcenmp!netnews.jhuapl.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!newsc( From: marby@laura.harvard.edu (C. Marby) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ' Subject: A little diversion for the 1sth  Date: 27 Mar 1996 22:08:24 -05007 Organization: Chemical Laboratories, Harvard University  Lines: 1355e Sender: marby@laura.harvard.edua. Message-ID: <x33f6t52zb.fsf@laura.harvard.edu>! Reply-To: marby@lhasa.harvard.edun$ NNTP-Posting-Host: laura.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1f  C Well it's that time of year again! Dug this out of the archives.... 3 System managers install system-wide if you dare....m Share and enjoy!       __o 5   _ \<,_       C.A. Marby    marby@lhasa.harvard.edu a	  (_)/ (_).
 ~~~~~~~~~~      <        .TITLE             An Improved VMS Error message file  # ! Date: Mon, 10 Oct 88 10:01:46 PDTp) ! From: millios%akov12.DEC@decwrl.dec.COMm !++ " !    To "compile" on your account: !r !   $ message aprilfoolA !   $ link aprilfool? !   $ set message aprilfool	<-- put this line in your LOGIN.COMn !i !a ! Facilities included: !r !0	SYSTEM	(VMS system messages)a, !1	RMS	(Record Management Services messages)2 !3	CLI	(DCL/Command Language Interpreter messages) !4	JBC	(VMS Job Controller)v !115	DISM	(Dismount utility) !0	SHR	(Shared stuff)e% !111	BLS32	(BLISS RTL error messages)f !@( ! Facilities not included:	(wait for V5) !5" !26	BAS	(BASIC RTL error messages)" !25	C74	(COBOL RTL error messages)$ !24	FOR	(FORTRAN RTL error messages) !77	IMGACT	(Image Activator) !117	INIT	(Initialize) !38	LBR	(Librarian)m !21	LIB	(LIB$ Run Time Library)v !211	LOGIN	(LOGINOUT)l !114	MOUNT	(MOUNT utility) !22	MTH	(MTH$ RTL) !5	OPCOM	(OPCOM Utility) !23	OTS	(OTS$ services)a !30	PLI	(PL1 RTL)e !262	PSM	(Print Symbiont)t !503	FAL	(File Access Listener)  !272	SMB	(SMB) !36	STR	(STR$ RTL) !132	SUM	(SUMSLP)c !e+ !    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The following were liberally pinched from SYSMSG.MSG. !r !--   : 	.FACILITY	SYSTEM,0/PREFIX=SS$_/SHARED/SYSTEM/MACRO=$SSDEF   !					Starts at 1. 	.SEVERITY	SUCCESS	 	.BASE		0i  7 NORMAL		<we were only kidding you, actually it blew up>h  : 	.FACILITY	SYSTEM,0/PREFIX=SS$_/SHARED/SYSTEM/MACRO=$SSDEF 	.SEVERITY	FATAL  V ACCVIO		<traffic violation, clocked speed=!XB in a !XL mph zone, PC=!XL,PSL=!XL>/FAO=4 BADPARAM	<ack! Phfftpt! Yuck!>1 EXQUOTA		<you wanted how much? 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 ~~~~~~~~~~   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 08:15:17 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?3 Message-ID: <0MvecuASlFq9@eisner.encompasserve.org>B  V In article <3C72A731.DA742997@wanadoo.fr>, labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr> writes: > $ ana/sys. > tcpip show bug > tcpip sh crash  A    OK, for those of us who get their IP humor from Process, wouldK    someone post the output?o   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:25:44 +0100 (MET)/9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?; Message-ID: <01KEI2SAM1P88ZKA1M@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>?  
 > > $ ana/syse > > tcpip show bug > > tcpip sh crash > C >    OK, for those of us who get their IP humor from Process, would  >    someone post the output?    SDA> tcpip sh crash1 %TCPIP-I-THINKING, Thinking ...s %TCPIP-I-THINKING, Thinking ...N %TCPIP-I-THINKING, Thinking ...n% %TCPIP-S-EUREKA, Solution: User errorA SDA> tcpip sh bugeG %TCPIP-W-IFIONLYKNEW, If I could do that, Robert, you'd be out of a jobr SDA>   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:22:45 +0000 (UTC)A From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?+ Message-ID: <a50bfl$6eq$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <0MvecuASlFq9@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:eW >In article <3C72A731.DA742997@wanadoo.fr>, labadie <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr> writes:	 >> $ ana/sys >> tcpip show bugy >> tcpip sh crash  >iB >   OK, for those of us who get their IP humor from Process, would >   someone post the output? >o     SDA> tcpip show bugoG %TCPIP-W-IFIONLYKNEW, If I could do that, Robert, you'd be out of a job4 SDA> tcpip show crashs %TCPIP-I-THINKING, Thinking ...B %TCPIP-I-THINKING, Thinking ...u %TCPIP-I-THINKING, Thinking ....% %TCPIP-S-EUREKA, Solution: User errorE SDA>    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:30:12 +0100s$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?1 Message-ID: <hrOc8.293$YS1.6711@news.cpqcorp.net>u  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:0MvecuASlFq9@eisner.encompasserve.org...s4 > In article <3C72A731.DA742997@wanadoo.fr>, labadie# <labadie.gerard@wanadoo.fr> writes:s
 > > $ ana/sysl > > tcpip show bug > > tcpip sh crash >/C >    OK, for those of us who get their IP humor from Process, wouldr >    someone post the output?m >  tcpip sh bugG %tcpip-w-ifionlyknew, If I could do that Robert, You 'd be out of a jobY   tcpip sh crash %tcpip-i-thinking, Thinking... %tcpip-i-thinking, Thinking... %tcpip-i-thinking, Thinking...% %tcpip-s-eureka, Solution: user errorM   mc sysgen sh timeprompwait( show a great unit : the microfortnight !   Regardsd   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:35:24 +0100 $ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?1 Message-ID: <poPc8.299$YS1.6876@news.cpqcorp.net>s  2 <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message/ news:01KEIA2FQ15U005C2C@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au...d > Martin Vorlaender wrote: >  > >ROTFLASTC > > 6 > >I *love* the humor the engineers have put into VMS.K  another one, in the sources, I hope it is not too shocking for comp.os.vmse  !   00000A58   20998 ; DK_MOUNT_VERs(                       00000A58   20999 ;H                       00000A58   21000 ; The disk class driver and mount! verification are in bed together.uL                       00000A58   21001 ; They are so intimately related that onet of them is most certainlyPA                       00000A58   21002 ; "with child" and nuptialc
 announcementsl will soon be made.   regardse   Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:44:34 GMTr4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?/ Message-ID: <3C73C34C.48A8CAD@blueyonder.co.uk>s   labadie wrote:  >K > I recently discovered that with a Tcpip 5 (.0 or .1), you can use the Sdaj > extension, and doh >  > $ ana/sysu > tcpip show bug > tcpip sh crash >  > I let you see the results...  B aw comeon, some of us are currently deprived of priv'd VMS access, cut and paste please.g    w --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  (  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:34:41 -0500L- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o@ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?+ Message-ID: <3C73EC3E.129584B@videotron.ca>t   Bob Koehler wrote:  " > Came complete with instructions:  o Thanks.   N However, what is the impact of using this message file on a more recent systemM ? Any chance that some error messages would be the wrong one produced ? Or is	H there so garantee of upwards compatibility in the order of messages from version to version ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:19:56 -0500u* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>E Subject: RE: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Te- Message-ID: <0033000053700714000002L042*@MHS>i  > =0AI frequently find myself wishing for one-word, sex-specific= synonyms for "idiot" that reference neither the legitimacy of , the parentage nor the species of said idiot.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETl* Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:27 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETE Subject: RE: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was T>    F As a polite dig at sexists (of either gender,) one of the best remarksE I recall was "In the following discussion the concept of man embracesi woman."v   ~Mikel   Joe Pfeiffer wrote:i >l8 > Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> writes:H > > >And they've gotten their way, too.  I know far better than to refe= r to: > > >a generic programmer as ``he'' in anything I write... > >1E > > I've used the plurals "they", etc. or "the <functional name>" for	? > > over 25 years and will *NOT* buy a technical book that usesoD > > "she", as it disturbs the flow of reading the content, besides aD > > stupid attempt at being priggishly pro-feminist: if the intendedD > > audience is entirely male or female, use that pronoun, otherwiseA > > use something different but correct. Most of these books havee/ > > audiences which are two nines or more male.i >cF > ``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functionalE > name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why doiH > these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist than=  F > the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''B > is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward. > E > ``He'' was good old standard English for an unspecified person, andoH > was quite good enough.  Obsessing about gender-neutrality in language=  H > does nothing but degrade the language...  I could also rant about the=  E > deliberate dstruction of ``fireman,'' ``fisherman,'' ``policeman,''e. > ``policewoman,'' ``waiter,'' ``waitress...'' > --> > Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D.       Phone -- (505) 646-1605> > Department of Computer Science       FAX   -- (505) 646-1002H > New Mexico State University          http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer=  H > Southwestern NM Regional Science and Engr Fair:  http://www.nmsu.edu/= ~scifair   --E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* D Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----i Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@  ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------=   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 07:41:47 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)eG Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Thel3 Message-ID: <paRmPS9k562u@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  _ In article <a5056d$am4$1@nyheter.chalmers.se>, eal@etek.chalmers.se (Andreas Lngstrm) writes:   K > Einsteins Nobel prize was for his work on the photoelectric effect, IIRC.e  H    Einstein's Nobel prize was formaly for his photoelectric work, but asE    he acknowledged in his acceptance speach, that was a cover for his 9    relativity work which was actually being acknowledged.	  B    The Nobel folks as the time wouldn't give Einstein a prize for ?    relativity because it is completely theoretical physics (no ND    experiment involved) and therefor much to close to mathematics.  E    Nobel prohibitted any mathematics prizes (his wife ran off with a eI    mathematician).  The photoelectric work clearly involved experimental t(    work, so that was cited in the award.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:09:24 -0500o2 From: Roland Hutchinson <rolands.spamtrap@usa.net>G Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Thet4 Message-ID: <a50hnt$3nhng$1@ID-99522.news.dfncis.de>  1 On Wednesday 20 February 2002 08:41, Bob Koehler e! <koehler@encompasserve.org>wrote:e  F >    Nobel prohibitted any mathematics prizes (his wife ran off with a >    mathematician).    F ObComputerFolklore: "Please get your facts straight before posting to 	 the net."e   -- FA Roland Hutchinson              Will play viola da gamba for food.   A NB mail to rolands.spamtrap@usa.net is heavily filtered to removen8 spam.  If your message looks like spam I may not see it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:43:25 GMTe2 From: "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld.pleaseremove@att.net>Y Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The   demise       ofgF Message-ID: <1fRc8.1737$Im1.121469@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  6 "Charles Richmond" <richmond@ev1.net> wrote in message! news:3C72FD44.2058A1ED@ev1.net...t > Bob Koehler wrote: > >iK > > In article <yKxb8.25353$Nv5.721800@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,i4 "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld.pleaseremove@att.net> writes: > >nG > > > As an example, I used to teach Fortran to people who already knewf COBOLgI > > > (Yes, it was a long time ago).  In COBOL, there is a "Perform" verb< which isH > > > sort of like an internal procedure call but with all the variables visible.J > > > It essentially transfers control to code at some label, executes the codeL > > > until the next label then returns.  This encouraged a style that said,L > > > essentially "If something is true, go perform code to handle that." So thefH > > > code to handle the situation had to be physically removed from the	 mainline.  > > >eK > > > In contrast, most Fortrans of the time, didn't have such a construct,t buteE > > > had conditional if statements where the conditionally performedY	 statementAI > > > could be a goto.  This encouraged a style like "if something is NOTF true,rI > > > goto around the code that handled it", followed immediately by that  code.n > > >v > >TI > >    Thus invented: the COME FROM construct.  Old FORTRAN-IV code, withrF > >    very large subroutines.  Instead of writing a new subroutine toH > >    handle common code, the programmers were in the habit of labelingL > >    it and jumping there with a GOTO.  Then a variable (often an ASSIGNEDK > >    GOTO variable) was used to tell where to GOTO to get back (where didiH > >    I come from?).  Somewhat like a BASIC GOSUB, but more painfull to > >    maintain. > >lC > This "come from" constuct that uses the ASSIGNED GOTO variable isnD > useful to create a "simulated" recursive routine. I once wrote oneA > to traverse an AVL tree and print the nodes out in alphabetical A > order. It is blindingly *fast*...because there is *no* functionUB > call overhead. You have to stack and unstack the local variables > yourself.P    H And then there is the COMEFROM construct that was documented in an AprilH issue of Datamation.  It worked just the opposite of GOTO.  Thus, wherasL when one encountered GOto 100 in the code, one transfers control to the lineJ labeled 100.  But COMEFROM 100 means that whenever line 100 is encounteredL in the code, control is transfered to the next statement after the COMEFROM. :-)    --  - Stephen Fulde+    e-mail address disguised to prevent spamq   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 20 Feb 02 09:24:31 GMTe From: jmfbahciv@aol.comDW Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of	+ Message-ID: <a501td$h9a$6@bob.news.rcn.net>N  / In article <1539.815T2919T5705744@sky.bus.com>,<.    "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@sky.bus.com> wrote:I >In article <a4te51$5bj$5@bob.news.rcn.net> jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv)  >writes: >s* >>In article <1bn0y6fhxx.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu>,, >>Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote: >>5 >>>hawk@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins) writes:r >>>eA >>>> and much more recent, too--a couple of years back, you wouldO> >>>> regularly hear folks calling for their favorite change to> >>>> language justifying it on the grounds that it will change >>>> how people think . . .  >>> @ >>>And they've gotten their way, too.  I know far better than toA >>>refer to a generic programmer as ``he'' in anything I write...o >>8 >>grrrrr....boy, did you just push a hot button of mine. >>: >>I couldn't believe how much time and money was wasted on5 >>all of that crap.  Just think of the additional inka= >>and paper to increase a two-character word to a [whatever]-t= >>character word.  Our notebook set were large enough withoute; >>having to increase it to yet another notebook in order toN? >>accomodate people whose intention was to hinder productivity.C> >>Increasing the number of notebooks meant wasting the time of+ >>every single programmer out in the field.U >O; >At least I haven't recently seen any of the PC attempts too# >create new pronouns such as "hir".f > : >My favourite solution to the he/she problem is to hit theA >PC types with a delightful construct I read a while ago: s/h/it.d >1  9 Yes.  I used that quite often when somebody was trying tot rub my nose in it.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:25:53 +0200o2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>Y Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  j+ Message-ID: <3C7379B1.726A36DD@digital.com>   F As a polite dig at sexists (of either gender,) one of the best remarksE I recall was "In the following discussion the concept of man embraces	 woman."r   ~Miken   Joe Pfeiffer wrote:u > 8 > Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> writes:K > > >And they've gotten their way, too.  I know far better than to refer tom: > > >a generic programmer as ``he'' in anything I write... > >eE > > I've used the plurals "they", etc. or "the <functional name>" forA? > > over 25 years and will *NOT* buy a technical book that usesgD > > "she", as it disturbs the flow of reading the content, besides aD > > stupid attempt at being priggishly pro-feminist: if the intendedD > > audience is entirely male or female, use that pronoun, otherwiseA > > use something different but correct. Most of these books havet/ > > audiences which are two nines or more male.I > F > ``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functionalE > name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why doIG > these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist than F > the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''B > is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward. > E > ``He'' was good old standard English for an unspecified person, andeG > was quite good enough.  Obsessing about gender-neutrality in languagerG > does nothing but degrade the language...  I could also rant about thesE > deliberate dstruction of ``fireman,'' ``fisherman,'' ``policeman,''1. > ``policewoman,'' ``waiter,'' ``waitress...'' > --> > Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D.       Phone -- (505) 646-1605> > Department of Computer Science       FAX   -- (505) 646-1002G > New Mexico State University          http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeifferaO > Southwestern NM Regional Science and Engr Fair:  http://www.nmsu.edu/~scifaird   -- -E ---------------------------------------------------------------------gE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*OF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------k -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----o Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------2   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 20 Feb 02 09:30:41 GMTc From: jmfbahciv@aol.comuY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  e+ Message-ID: <a50290$h9a$7@bob.news.rcn.net>h  ( In article <1bn0y52xdw.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu>,-    Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:a7 >Brian Inglis <Brian.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca> writes: J >> >And they've gotten their way, too.  I know far better than to refer to9 >> >a generic programmer as ``he'' in anything I write...t >>  D >> I've used the plurals "they", etc. or "the <functional name>" for> >> over 25 years and will *NOT* buy a technical book that usesC >> "she", as it disturbs the flow of reading the content, besides aIC >> stupid attempt at being priggishly pro-feminist: if the intended>C >> audience is entirely male or female, use that pronoun, otherwisey@ >> use something different but correct. Most of these books have/ >> audiences which are two nines or more male.   >jE >``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functionalDD >name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why doF >these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist thanE >the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she''eA >is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward.  >cD >``He'' was good old standard English for an unspecified person, and >was quite good enough.    And it was short.m  2 > .. Obsessing about gender-neutrality in languageF >does nothing but degrade the language...  I could also rant about theD >deliberate dstruction of ``fireman,'' ``fisherman,'' ``policeman,''- >``policewoman,'' ``waiter,'' ``waitress...''o  C When I was asked what pronoun to use, I suggested it.  You wouldn'tt! believe the reaction to that one.-   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.:   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 12:35:25 GMT. From: eal@etek.chalmers.se (Andreas Lngstrm)Y Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  r. Message-ID: <a5056d$am4$1@nyheter.chalmers.se>  + Charles Richmond  <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:  > B >Disturbingly, there seems to be a feminist move afoot to re-writeA >history, with little regard for what is actually true. My sistero@ >told me of a book that claims that Albert Einstein's first wifeC >was actually responsible for the work that won Al his nobel prize.;  A I've seen claims that his first wife did the relativity work, and @ the claim that those claims were Serbian (or some other YugoslavI part) propaganda (his wife, Mileva?, came from those parts of the world).8  I Einsteins Nobel prize was for his work on the photoelectric effect, IIRC.e   /Andreas   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 20 Feb 02 10:30:52 GMT3 From: jmfbahciv@aol.comyY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  o+ Message-ID: <a505pq$pnr$5@bob.news.rcn.net>o  . In article <a5056d$am4$1@nyheter.chalmers.se>,2    eal@etek.chalmers.se (Andreas Lngstrm) wrote:, >Charles Richmond  <richmond@ev1.net> wrote: >>C >>Disturbingly, there seems to be a feminist move afoot to re-write.B >>history, with little regard for what is actually true. My sisterA >>told me of a book that claims that Albert Einstein's first wifeoD >>was actually responsible for the work that won Al his nobel prize. > > >I've seen claims that his first wife did the relativity work,    <snip>   = Helped him.  Which is understandable based on where they met..  > I was JMF's sounding board for a lot of things.  That does not> imply that I did all the work that he did.  I don't understandB why people don't know how work gets done.  Nothing is accomplished
 in isolation.o   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.e   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 12:52:36 GMT. From: eal@etek.chalmers.se (Andreas Lngstrm)Y Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  -. Message-ID: <a5066k$aog$1@nyheter.chalmers.se>   <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:/ >In article <a5056d$am4$1@nyheter.chalmers.se>,S3 >   eal@etek.chalmers.se (Andreas Lngstrm) wrote: - >>Charles Richmond  <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:S >>> D >>>Disturbingly, there seems to be a feminist move afoot to re-writeC >>>history, with little regard for what is actually true. My sistergB >>>told me of a book that claims that Albert Einstein's first wifeE >>>was actually responsible for the work that won Al his nobel prize., >>? >>I've seen claims that his first wife did the relativity work,@ >. > <snip> >N= >Helped him. Which is understandable based on where they met.t  G She probably helped him, as did others. The claims that crop up now andhA then is that Mileva did all the work and Albert just stole it andp published it under his name.  ? >I was JMF's sounding board for a lot of things.  That does notS? >imply that I did all the work that he did.  I don't understandoC >why people don't know how work gets done.  Nothing is accomplisheds >in isolation.  
 Very true.   /Andreas   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:27:50 GMTv) From: jchausler <jchausler@earthlink.net>bY Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of  t- Message-ID: <3C73E79C.3EFAD90A@earthlink.net>i   Charles Richmond wrote:e  C > This "come from" constuct that uses the ASSIGNED GOTO variable ishD > useful to create a "simulated" recursive routine. I once wrote oneA > to traverse an AVL tree and print the nodes out in alphabeticalnA > order. It is blindingly *fast*...because there is *no* functionaB > call overhead. You have to stack and unstack the local variables > yourself.e  > At least one Fortran preprocessor FLECS (Fortran Language with? Extended Control Structures) used this mechanism to support itscF function calls.  I was very quick.  I looked at the resulting assembly< code for both the PDP-11 and DG Eclipse and the results were= always one or two instructions at most.  I believe FLECS came B from the University of Oregon.  I don't know if they still have it? available.  I and my then staff used it during much of the 80's` quite successfully.o   Chris, AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE  $$   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:22:17 +0300e4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>+ Subject: SYSPRV & $GETUAI - Dumb question ?/0 Message-ID: <3C73BF29.61B98105@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>  
 Hello All!R 	I have tried to get to a particular user an ability to perfoms user/pass checkingV against VMS SYSUAF. I wrote a little shared module wich export an entry supposed to be called from user progs. V 	This module is installed with SYSPRV and calls $GETUAI to obtain an user information,R calling process have only NETMBX,TMPMBX privs. The problem is that calling process getting NOSYSPRV.   U 	The question one: how $GETUAI checks that a current process (AUTHPRIV, PROCPRIV, and- CURPRIV) has SYSPRV ?-T 	The question two: how get at all an ability to call $GETAUI under unprivs account ?   	TIA.-   -- + Cheers,GF +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .......................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222oE  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222eF +http://starlet.deltatel.ru ................. SysMan rides HailStorm +   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:17:01 GMTh From: danco@pebble.org/ Subject: Re: SYSPRV & $GETUAI - Dumb question ? - Message-ID: <slrna77mgd.gsi.danco@pebble.org>   I In article <3C73BF29.61B98105@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:h  I > against VMS SYSUAF. I wrote a little shared module wich export an entryv( > supposed to be called from user progs.' > 	This module is installed with SYSPRVw  E You don't install shareable images with privileges.  You install mainyB images with privileges.  Oh sure, INSTALL will let you specify theE privilege qualifiers when you install a shareable image, but they areeG meaningless.  When people speak of a "privileged shareable image", theyc? mean one that is installed protected and implements user system C services in Kernel or Executive mode.  (Or a subsystem these days.):? At the risk of having your process deleted if your code makes a D mistake, you can write your routine as an Executive mode user systemF service.  Executive mode has some privileges implicitly.  You can alsoC turn on and off whatever other privileges you need while running inoD Executive mode (see the SYS$SETPRV system service for that).  You'llB find both VAX and Alpha examples of User System Service disptchersA and code in the directory pointed to by the SYS$EXAMPLES logical.H   - Dan    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Feb 2002 16:33:30 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)p/ Subject: Re: SYSPRV & $GETUAI - Dumb question ?e0 Message-ID: <a50j4q$i7t$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  g In article <3C73BF29.61B98105@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> writes:r >Hello All!sS >	I have tried to get to a particular user an ability to perfoms user/pass checking9W >against VMS SYSUAF. I wrote a little shared module wich export an entry supposed to bes >called from user progs.W >	This module is installed with SYSPRV and calls $GETUAI to obtain an user information,0S >calling process have only NETMBX,TMPMBX privs. The problem is that calling process  >getting NOSYSPRV. >lV >	The question one: how $GETUAI checks that a current process (AUTHPRIV, PROCPRIV, and >CURPRIV) has SYSPRV ?  I Don't now. Most likely it will access the information returned by $GEJPI?e  U >	The question two: how get at all an ability to call $GETAUI under unprivs account ?e  K Write an application that call $GETUAI and install the application with theh required privileges.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanno  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:10:21 +0100t, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: Re: System problem 8 Message-ID: <1014210491.422298@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>  B "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag, news:3C72C8D0.1CE62FA2@clarityconnect.com...H > VIRTUALPAGECNT determines the size of the virtual address space that aG > process can have.  This space may or may not get mapped to the systemaJ > pagefile(s) and may or may not get dumped back there.  How much VA spaceF > can be mapped to the pagefile(s) is controlled by the processes page
 > file quota.r >rJ > The SYSGEN parameters PAGFILCNT & SWPFILCNT determine how many pagefilesH > & swapfiles may be installed.  But be careful not to make them too bigD > otherwise a single file could consume more than 1 of the xxxFILCNTE > units.  What is too big depends on the platform and version of VMS.u  H IIRC, the maximum size of a single page file is 1048575 (hex %x000FFFFF) blocks.    Greetings, Ferry   -- Ing. Ferry BolharG% Municipality of Vienna, Department 14r A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA0 E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------   Date: 20 FEB 2002 15:27:24 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: System problem 6 Message-ID: <20FEB02.15272433@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  D In a previous article, "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote:  J ->IIRC, the maximum size of a single page file is 1048575 (hex %x000FFFFF)	 ->blocks.   D Since my pagefile was over 2 million blocks I said "huh" and checked	 this out:5  D The 1048575 block limit is for Vax and Alpha VMS V1.5. For Alpha VMS< V6.1 and later it's 1048575 * 16 or 1677200 blocks since the  page size on Alpha is 16 blocks.   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------    Date: 20 Feb 2002 10:20:17 -08005 From: pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders)  Subject: vax h/w type.= Message-ID: <bc0e3bd8.0202201020.4a17718d@posting.google.com>>   Hi,o@   Is there any way to find out the type of Vax I am using in VMS 5.5-2.>   E.G MicroVax 3100-30. I know this is stupid question but the@ MicroVax is in another country and only have remote access. Also cannot reboot the Vax. ta Patb   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:23:28 -0500n. From: Curtis Williams <williamsca@process.com> Subject: Re: vax h/w type.* Message-ID: <3C73E9A0.4020803@process.com>   pat saunders wrote:  > Hi,eB >   Is there any way to find out the type of Vax I am using in VMS > 5.5-2.@ >   E.G MicroVax 3100-30. I know this is stupid question but theB > MicroVax is in another country and only have remote access. Also > cannot reboot the Vax. > ta > Pats >   ( I think this will get you what you need:  & $ write sys$output f$getsyi("HW_NAME")       -- a  %   Curtis Williams, Senior QA Engineer    Process Software   959 Concord Street   Framingham, MA 01701/   Phone: 508-879-6994 x308    Fax: 508-879-0042    USPA D-210763   "Computer, you and I need to have a little talk."a%     -- Miles O'Brien, Deep Space Nine-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:30:21 -0600i+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>u Subject: RE: vax h/w type.L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1A1A3989@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----( > From: pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk   > Hi,oB >   Is there any way to find out the type of Vax I am using in VMS > 5.5-2.   Umm... 	   $MAIL SYSTEM" SUBJECT: What kind of VAX is this?   Hi,n@ Can you read the back panel and tell me the model number of this	 computer?    ^Z   $I  @ >   E.G MicroVax 3100-30. I know this is stupid question but theB > MicroVax is in another country and only have remote access. Also  ' Seriously, though, why not just ask? :)v   > cannot reboot the Vax.  B Well, you can -- provided, of course, you have the privilege, and @ it won't upset anyone important.  Also provided that the machine> is configured to auto-boot, or you have access remotely to theB console, or you can tell somebody to go type 'boot' on the console (and why not?).s   As Hoff is wont to say:    What are you up to?    Regards,   Chris     ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerc Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");h '   h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:01:21 +0100 + From: "Georgi Kozinakov" <gjokok@yahoo.com>H= Subject: VAX/VMS mail sending and receiving to other machiness% Message-ID: <3c739da9@news.mt.net.mk>l  4 I'd like to know how it is possible to use PC with a5 mail client (and/or server) to connect with vms mail. . I have VMS 7.2.1 on microVAX 3100/30 with 32MB4 memory, TCP/IP services ver.5.1 and a PC on the same4 private network (172.16.x.x) with Win2000 server and1 a couple of mail clients (Outlook, Pegasus Mail). 1 I am trying also to instal a Mercury mail server.-1 How can I send a mail from vms mail to pc (and if 9 possible to relay it to the internet - the pc has dial-up 8 connection to the ISP) and also to send mail from the pc9 to the vms mail ? (and / or  also from internet elsewherec to the vms mail).-   -- Georgi Kozinakov kozinakov@mt.net.mk- gjokok@yahoo.com Skopje, Macedoniar   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:13:55 +0000 (UTC) " From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      com 5 Message-ID: <3c7f9fb4.238244317@news.btopenworld.com>-  D On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:07:25 +0100, Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>	 sprachen:   I >You mean Fraktur (for printed matters) and Suetterlin (for handwriting )K >here? +  = I believe the latter, since it was handwriting she showed me.-  G >Both went away, you won't beleive it, due to offical decree in the 3rd2E >Reich. Pupils were taught to write latin letters instead. My mother,gI >passing her 'Abitur' in '50, had to write her exams again in Suetterlin.gI >But then it literally died away. While I can read some Fraktur (only dueu0 >to old books), I'm not able to read Suetterlin.  F As I understand it, it *is* the Latin alphabet, same sounds and 26-andD a few letters, just the glyphs are a bit different, and they're justA mutated handwritten Latin letters. The same way when you're doingvE joined-up (which I can't really do any more, due to typing everything E instead of writing, I'm a terrible and slow writer), the letters look  a bit transmogrified.a  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:53:51 -0500f2 From: Roland Hutchinson <rolands.spamtrap@usa.net>Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise    of      comx4 Message-ID: <a50kb8$3pdif$1@ID-99522.news.dfncis.de>  B On Wednesday 20 February 2002 08:13, greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk $ <greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk>wrote:  F > On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:07:25 +0100, Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de> > sprachen:   D >>Both went away, you won't beleive it, due to offical decree in theB >>3rd Reich. Pupils were taught to write latin letters instead. My" >>I'm not able to read Suetterlin.  A > As I understand it, it *is* the Latin alphabet, same sounds and'@ > 26-and a few letters, just the glyphs are a bit different, and2 > they're just mutated handwritten Latin letters.    Not quite.    @ It's the Latin *alphabet* (as opposed to Greek or Cyrillic, for E example), but the letters-forms are not Latin (also called in German e- "Antiqua" or "Rotunda"); they are "Gothic".  r  E They are cousins rather than mutatations of our common Latin printed -F or and cursive letters. (I.e. they have a common ancestor -- way back > in antiquity; neither one is directly derived from the other.)  D In 17th and 18th century, the scripts (and corresponding typefaces) C were carefully distinguished.  If you wrote or printed a loanwoard iA from a non-German language (such as "Musik" or "Energie") it was hB printed in roman letters, otherwise in German letters (Fraktur or D Schwabacher type, gothic handwriting).  But it gets worse -- if the D word had a German suffix attached, the suffix ONLY would be written D in German letters.  That is to say, you frequently changed fonts in . the middle of a word as well as between words!  D Somewhere around the end of the 18th century, I think, the practice E changed to setting almost everything in a printed text in either one dB or the other (usually Fraktur until the end of the 19th century), C except for really foreign words that hadn't acheived the status of  F loanwords -- much as we use italics for that kind of word in English. F (Incidentally, there's no such thing as italics in Fraktur typefaces, C though Fraktur and Schabacher were sometimes used together in very c? roughly the same way as roman and italic type are in English.) r> Keeping to one typeface both speeds the compositor's work and @ produces a more uniform-appearing printed page, so it caught on * fairly quickly once the practice started.   E However, German schoolchildren were still taught one handwriting for aF their German lessons and a different one for their Latin (and French, F and Italian, and English) lessons, and the distinction was maintained ? longer in handwriting than it was in print. Gothic handwriting  E continued in use for handwritten German for several decades at least -4 after most printed German had moved to roman type.       -- aA Roland Hutchinson              Will play viola da gamba for food.s  A NB mail to rolands.spamtrap@usa.net is heavily filtered to remove08 spam.  If your message looks like spam I may not see it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:52:49 +0100.$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>Y Subject: Re: [OT] Dueterium [from discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered cars (was Res/ Message-ID: <rlKc8.24$if3.1780@news.get2net.dk>    I think is is toxic.   Dweeb + <William_Bochnik@acml.com> wrote in messaget8 news:OFABBB4924.842C573D-ON85256B65.005AACE7@acml.com... > ? > That was the plot of a "Hogan's Hero's" episode in the 1960'ss >a >i >i >   >                       JF Mezei> >                       <jfmezei.spamnot@vi                To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr> >                       deotron.ca>                        cc:E >                                                   Subject: Re: [OT]  Dueterium [fromrD >                       02/19/2002 11:37 AM         discussion about Deuterium-Gallium powered L >                       Please respond to           cars (was Re: "Crashless Windows")] (washB >                       JF Mezei                    Re: "Crashless Windows")] (was Re:-I >                       <jfmezei.spamnot@vi         "Crashless Windows")]e# >                       deotron.ca>g >r >u >  >s >eB > The real question is how long before some company starts to sell	 > bottledAB > "heavy water" claiming all sorts of health benefits. :-) :-) :-) > :-)  >t >e >h >S >NH > ______________________________________________________________________= >  The information contained in this transmission may contain B > privileged and confidential information and is intended only forC > the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedt? > recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for deliverings5 > this message to the intended recipient, any review,cB > dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communicationA > is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient,DC > please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroyo% > all copies of the original message.m >e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.100 ************************