1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 25 Feb 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 110       Contents: <None> RE: Abbreviation dictionary  Re: Abbreviation dictionary  Adding DecWindows Support  Re: Adding DecWindows Support  Re: Adding DecWindows Support  Re: Adding DecWindows Support  Re: Adding DecWindows Support . Re: ASTs and threads in OpenVMS 7.2 and higher& Re: Backup/Restore Verification Errors& Can I read VMS diskette from PC flopy.; Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment ; Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment ; Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment ; Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment , Re: EV8 and McKinley analysis by Paul DeMone) Re: How to monitor directory for changes? 9 IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS? = Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS? = Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS? = Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS? = Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS?  Re: mysterious system reboot Re: mysterious system reboot Re: mysterious system reboot PrintServer software) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS ) Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS  Re: Setting Time and Date L Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (L Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (L Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( Re: SOAP on OpenVMS?7 Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? 7 RE: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it? & Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?& Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?& RE: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?, UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] command0 Re: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] command0 Re: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] command0 Re: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] command Re: VAX SCAN Re: VAX SCAN Re: [Q] internet and VMS Re: [Q] internet and VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 09:58:46 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: <None> 3 Message-ID: <j8eelC35Ncpt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <jL9toDtunHoZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: S > In article <3C7A2A51.F5744832@estec.esa.nl>, hdeasy <nospam@estec.esa.nl> writes: C >> On Vax/VMS, it is so handy to be able to enter DIR/SIN [...] and = >> get all files today with their paths clearly identifiable.  >>  I >> THere seems to be no easy UNIX equivalent, or does anyone know of one?  >>   > F >    This will come close.  If you're forced to do UNIX, you'ld better >    learn find: >  >    find . -mtime -1 -print > H >    Note:  exeact syntax depends on which UNIX, but the above will work( >    on any I've had access to recently. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:28:04 -0500 1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com> $ Subject: RE: Abbreviation dictionaryO Message-ID: <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C2316329B@ny_exchange1.maintech1.com>    JF,   I Have you received any answer to this request?  I have a similar interest.    Mike Farrell   > -----Original Message-----4 > From:	JF Mezei [SMTP:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca], > Sent:	Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:44 PM > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > Subject:	Abbreviation dictionary > G > I am building an abbreviation dictionary with various expressions and  > words G > and some abrreviation, in order to generate waypoint names of various  > sizes. >  > Consider the following text: > 3 > 	ROYAL NATIONAL PARK SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY   > % > This woudl need to be broken up as:  > 6 > 	Royal [national park] [sewerage treatment facility] >  > I > I currently handle 2 word expressions by breaking up the expression and  > doing  > individual lookups: 4 > 	ROYAL NATIONAL,		ROYAL,	NATIONAL PARK,		NATIONAL, > PARK SEWERAGE,	PARK 1 > 	SEWERAGE TREATMENT,	SEWERAGE,	TREATMENT PLANT,  > TREATMENT,	PLANT > H > The above will find NATIONAL PARK but not SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY. > 9 > So I could add code to also lookup 3 word combinations.  > J > Is there a better way to lookup than to do succesive attempts at various > combinations ? > L > Ideally, I would like to be able to do "lower or equal" lookups with $GET: > E > ROYAL NATIONAL PARK SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY  would find "ROYAL"  > 8 > NATIONAL PARK SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY		 would find > "NATIONAL PARK"  > 4 > SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY				would fine SEWERAGE > TREATMENT FACILITY > 3 > How do the big guys like Alta-Vista handle this ?  > G > The one way I was thinking was to create a key that is mathematically 	 > derived  > from the string < > for instance:  for each letter, new letter = "Z" - letter. > K > This would allow me to use the RMS "greater or equal". The one difficulty  > I G > would have is that i would like to be able to use accented characters  > (which > are much creater than "Z").  >  > Any suggestions ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:18:21 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> $ Subject: Re: Abbreviation dictionary, Message-ID: <3C7A7FEC.17B10DDA@videotron.ca>   "Farrell, Michael" wrote:  >  > JF,  > K > Have you received any answer to this request?  I have a similar interest.   D Nop, what I will end up doing is a $FIND of the first word, and thenM sequential reads comparing the whole strings until the read string is greater N than the expression. The previous record will contain the "closest" expression@ that matches as many words as possible."Farrell, Michael" wrote:  9 > >       ROYAL NATIONAL PARK SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY   ! So I would do a $FIND on "ROYAL".  then do sequential reads:    ROYAL  ROYAL ANTHOPOLOGICAL MUSEUM ( ROYAL NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF OCEANOGRAPHY ROYAL NATIONAL PARK  ROYAL NATIONAL RIVER  N At the "RIVER" record, I realise I have read the end of possible solutions, soK the expression that was found is "ROYAL NATIONAL PARK" at which point I can  use its appreviation.   L I then start the same process with the remainder of the string with SEWERAGE3 TREATMENT FACILITY to see if anything can be found.   T This makes it possible to have abbreviations for expressions of any number of words.               > > ' > > This woudl need to be broken up as:  > > = > >       Royal [national park] [sewerage treatment facility]  > >  > > K > > I currently handle 2 word expressions by breaking up the expression and 	 > > doing  > > individual lookups: K > >       ROYAL NATIONAL,         ROYAL,  NATIONAL PARK,          NATIONAL,  > > PARK SEWERAGE,        PARKB > >       SEWERAGE TREATMENT,     SEWERAGE,       TREATMENT PLANT, > > TREATMENT,    PLANT  > > J > > The above will find NATIONAL PARK but not SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY. > > ; > > So I could add code to also lookup 3 word combinations.  > > L > > Is there a better way to lookup than to do succesive attempts at various > > combinations ? > > N > > Ideally, I would like to be able to do "lower or equal" lookups with $GET: > > G > > ROYAL NATIONAL PARK SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY  would find "ROYAL"  > > E > > NATIONAL PARK SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY              would find  > > "NATIONAL PARK"  > > M > > SEWERAGE TREATMENT FACILITY                           would fine SEWERAGE  > > TREATMENT FACILITY > > 5 > > How do the big guys like Alta-Vista handle this ?  > > I > > The one way I was thinking was to create a key that is mathematically  > > derived  > > from the string > > > for instance:  for each letter, new letter = "Z" - letter. > > M > > This would allow me to use the RMS "greater or equal". The one difficulty  > > I I > > would have is that i would like to be able to use accented characters 
 > > (which > > are much creater than "Z").  > >  > > Any suggestions ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:41:26 +0100 1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> " Subject: Adding DecWindows Support. Message-ID: <a5d4cn$1l1h$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  ? Is there a way to add DecWindows Support to an existing 7.2-1H1 
 installation?    TIA    --   T. D.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:51:37 +0100 ' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net> & Subject: Re: Adding DecWindows Support( Message-ID: <3C7A2549.E532F5E7@spam.net>   Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:  > A > Is there a way to add DecWindows Support to an existing 7.2-1H1  > installation?  >  > TIA  >  > -- >  > T. D.   : I'm not sure whether I understand your question correctly./ Basically you have to install DECwindows/Motif.    Have look with     $ product show history *    and watch out for something like  7 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Install   8 If you plan to use other non VMS hosts as sources for X 6 apps you better install TCPIP also because most other  systems don't support DECnet.    --  6 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequence   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:04:40 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> & Subject: Re: Adding DecWindows Support* Message-ID: <3C7A2AC5.2010407@qsl.network>   Tomasz Dryjanski wrote: A > Is there a way to add DecWindows Support to an existing 7.2-1H1  > installation?   B By DecWindows Support, I am assuming that you mean the DECWindows < transport files, and possibly the workstation support files.  > There should be.  I would recommend reading the OpenVMS ALPHA 2 installation guide at the documentation link from  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  I Having not recently read that section, I am not sure if you need to boot  F from the CD-ROM and reinstall, or if you can just Reconfigure OpenVMS.  ; The equivalent on VAX is to run SYS$UPDATE:DECW$TAILOR.EXE.   H If it is the DECWindows Applications that you are looking for, then you - need to install the DECWindows-MOTIF product.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:27:53 +0100 1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> & Subject: Re: Adding DecWindows Support. Message-ID: <a5daka$1q82$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  I > If it is the DECWindows Applications that you are looking for, then you / > need to install the DECWindows-MOTIF product.    I'm sorry, I was not precise. > I have posted a message on Feb 21st, "A problem with a patch".G The problem is, that I can't install  the patch because of lack of DECW  Support. (probably).0 So I want to add it to an existing installation.   T. D.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 14:21:19 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: Adding DecWindows Support( Message-ID: <3c7a3a4f@news.kapsch.co.at>  b In article <a5daka$1q82$1@news2.ipartners.pl>, "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com> writes:J >> If it is the DECWindows Applications that you are looking for, then you0 >> need to install the DECWindows-MOTIF product. >  >I'm sorry, I was not precise.? >I have posted a message on Feb 21st, "A problem with a patch". H >The problem is, that I can't install  the patch because of lack of DECW >Support. (probably).   L As it was probably me guessing that the lack of DECW Support might triggeredG a problem in the installationroutine of the ECO: Did you read about the H posting with another possible reason, an eventually missing prerequisiteG ECO for PCSI (though the ECO itself does not state any prerequisites) ?   L So, it might also help, when you install all ECOs in the chronological orderL (of their release date), regardless that this means installing replaced ECOsM and then minutes later replacing them with the current ECO. But this requires I that you still have no ECO installed at all (or strange things may happen H because there might still be problems in the ECO image version detection( mechanisms/implementations of the ECOs).  1 >So I want to add it to an existing installation.   K Why not upgrade to a supported version (as V7.2-1H1 is no longer supported) M like V7.2-2 (or V7.3) at all ? This would make life far more easier (at least  in my eyes).   -Peter  M PS: If you finally doublechecked that the missing DECW options are triggering L the problem, then submit a service call (though I doubt that Q will fix thisI ECO/replace it with a newer one because V7.2-1H1 is no longer supported).  --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111 2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111 888 < KAPSCH AG      Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:13:43 GMT 3 From: sfgihps6qaz001@sneakemail.com (Mark Williams) 7 Subject: Re: ASTs and threads in OpenVMS 7.2 and higher / Message-ID: <3c7a2a23.12833653@news.force9.net>   E On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:15:12 GMT, "ohm62" <ohm62@coldmail.com> wrote:   : >According to a recent article in Compaq's "Ask the guru": > J >If upcalls are enabled, the application AST is executed in the context of >the initial thread.J >If upcalls are disabled, the AST is run in the context of the thread that# >executed when it became pending...   A I have found that (in VMS 7.2) ASTs are always run in the context 2 of the initial thread even if upcalls are enabled.  A (You should have upcalls enabled for multithreaded applications).     
 Mark Williams    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 10:51:23 -0800. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)/ Subject: Re: Backup/Restore Verification Errors = Message-ID: <343f30ae.0202251051.1771b901@posting.google.com>   X Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> wrote in message news:<3C7668DB.5EF6573C@UIowa.EDU>...J > I've been testing doing image backups to DLT, restoring to a spare disk,D > and then comparing the original disk to the spare disk to test the > integretity of the backup. > Q > I'm bothered by what appears to be hundreds and hundreds of verification errors " > when I perform this exercise. :( > F > I am using Alphas running OpenVMS v7.2-1 with all know ECOs applied. > G > The initial backup command used to a TZ877 tape library (Compac III):  > E > $ Mount /Foreign /Cache = Tape_Data /BlockSize = 65535 MKC600: Blah G > $ Backup /NoInitialize /Image /CRC /BlockSize = 65535 /Label = Blah - @ >          /Ignore = Interlock /List = BackUp_Logs:Foo-bar.log -# >          DSA1: MKC600:FOO-Bar.bck     * Don't use /NOINITIALIZE for tape backups.   F If you ever want to copy a save set directly from tape to disk via theC COPY command to copy the save set itself to disk, you must make the B save sets with block sizes of 32256 or less. Disk save sets cannot$ have a block size larger than 32256.    N > The original disk is an RZ29B-VA dual shadow set between two nodes each with2 > an HSZ40 controller where the disks are shelved. > . > The restore backup and compare commands are: >  > $ Mount /For $1$DGA117: G > $ Backup /Log /Image /Initialize /BlockSize = 65535 /Ignore = Label -  >          MKC600:Foo-Bar.bck - * >          $1$DGA117: /By_Owner = Original    8 You shouldn't need /IGNORE=LABEL for restore operations.     > $ Dismount $1$DGA117: / > $ Mount /Override = Identification $1$DGA117: 9 > $ Backup /Compare DSA1:[Blah...] $1$DGA117:[Blah...]        5 I'd use BACKUP/COMPARE DSA1:[*...] $1$DGA117:[*...] !   = Actually, you might be able to use BACKUP/IMAGE/COMPARE DSA1: ( $1$DGA117: !, but I can't test that now.     G > The spare disk is a new 1" Compac 9 GB drive in an EMA12000 SAN off a ; > HSG80 controller via a Fiber Channel switch interconnect.  > F > I then proceed to get from 500-1500 of these kinds of error messages* > (with different block numbers):          >          u= > %BACKUP-E-VERIFYERR, verification error for block 237034 ofd > $1$DGA117:[Blah]DATA.DAT;1 > F > Is this OK?  Does it indicate that if I lost the original disks         , In general, no. Something changed somewhere.    I > completely and had to restore from tape, that I would not have the samenM > data set on the restored volume?  Could it be due to the difference betweenP     Yes.    N > the original and target scratch drives (i.e., RZ29B-VA and Compaq 142671-B22 > 9 Gb Ulta3 10k)?    ! Only if there is a bug in BACKUP.e     [the rest omitted]   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmane( afeldman aslasldkj gfigroup asdkjfad com5 "Help me help you help me help you"  -- Bob Pattersono   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:39:48 +0100m3 From: "Aleksander Koodziejczyk" <olekk@kki.net.pl>m/ Subject: Can I read VMS diskette from PC flopy.e. Message-ID: <a5dibs$207s$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  H I haven't VMS server and I have VMS fromat diskette, how can I read this< diskette from DOS or Windows. It is possible (any program) ?   Aleksander Kolodziejczyk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:01:20 +0000f% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> D Subject: Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment8 Message-ID: <s96k7u0obq71nmf12mu4l5p5lqcg9825vk@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:19:41 +0100, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:u    F >gone. The Adobe Acrobat Reader in Java can't be installed and so on.   D Someone once posted that the missing library required by Acrobat can; be downloaded from the Apple web site. I've never tried it.   H >Don't misunderstand me, I'm happy too with the new browser (although I G >use the newer Mozilla 0.9.8. build). I'm even going to buy new memory  G >for my Alpha to run it.  But the lack of plugins is a serious problem.t >  >> >> >>Sigh >>   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 08:13:58 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)gD Subject: Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment3 Message-ID: <DY1QoED7OWg3@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  e In article <Ylxd8.98$fL6.1183@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:l > Dear Newsgroup,[ > H > I just got this and thought you might be interested (few minutes ago). >  > Suex >       Thanks Sue.      Related:   %    $dir/date sys$system:netscape*.exee      Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]-   NETSCAPE-EXPORT.EXE;1-,                      15-DEC-1997 15:17:20.00  D    Only 4 years between browsers, and some folks think Compaq isn't)    showing serious commitment to VMS.	8-(i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:13:37 -0500r4 From: "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@compaq.com>D Subject: Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment1 Message-ID: <Cvse8.133$fL6.2192@news.cpqcorp.net>   8 Dirk Munk wrote in message <3C775237.6050903@home.nl>...C >This is good news, however I don't quite understand the differenceaG >between the present Mozilla port (based on 0.9.8) and this port (basedlH >on 0.9.6). I suppose both browsers come from the same engineering team,B >and I would have thought that it was simply a rename for the last >Mozilla 0.9.8 kit.b >t >Some other remarks: >o1 >Mozilla loves memory (can't be helped I suppose)-F >I would like to see a few more helper applications, a (working !) pdf+ >viewer is the first that comes to my mind.uL >Maybe we can ask Microsoft for a VMS version of Windows Media Player :-)  ?  L CSWB T1.0 (beta) is Mozilla 0.9.6 plus some branding and a bunch of testing.0 CSWB V1.0 will be based on Mozilla 0.9.9 or 1.0.  K The big difference between CSWB and Mozilla is that CSWB will be supported,nL whereas Mozilla baselevels will continue to be offered as (effectively) beta test.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:21:54 +0100t From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>D Subject: Re: Compaq Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS Alpha announcment& Message-ID: <3C7A80C2.7080100@home.nl>   Bob Koehler wrote:  f >In article <Ylxd8.98$fL6.1183@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes: >s >>Dear Newsgroup,a >>H >>I just got this and thought you might be interested (few minutes ago). >> >>Suen >> >e >   Thanks Sue.e >o >   Related: > & >   $dir/date sys$system:netscape*.exe >    >Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] >A >NETSCAPE-EXPORT.EXE;1- >                     15-DEC-1997 15:17:20.00  >RE >   Only 4 years between browsers, and some folks think Compaq isn'tE* >   showing serious commitment to VMS.	8-( >   > This isn't quite fair to Compaq and the VMS Mozilla port team.F The early Netscape versions were made for many platforms. At the time H Netscape ruled the browser world, but then came the famous filantropist F Uncle Bill, and gave us Internet Exploder (if you wanted it or not on  your Windooz PC).IG  From that moment on Netscape wasn't able anymore to build all kind of  F different versions, and instead they made the Netscape 5.x project an I open source project. It was renamed Mozilla, and there have been Mozilla nD beta versions for VMS for a long time now, downloadable from Compaq.I It seems that Compaq is confident enough about a certain port of Mozilla "I to rename it Compaq Secure Web Browser, and thus to show us that it is a TC usable product now. It is still Beta, but less beta than the newer e Mozilla ports I guess.   >  >w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:50:13 -0500-5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 5 Subject: Re: EV8 and McKinley analysis by Paul DeMone 1 Message-ID: <VTue8.142$fL6.2592@news.cpqcorp.net>3  E You are missing one ingredient.  It also must be able to run Windows.        John Smith wrote in message ...hG >Why don't we define an 'Industry Standary Server' to be what it really 6 >is..... a 19" rack-mount box containing the following >- one or more power suppliest >- a fan >- mounting brackets >- holes for ventilation" >- holes where connectors can fit. >tE >The rest of it - what's inside - is proprietary in all cases (no pun  >intended).  > D >Each of Dell, Compaq, HP, IBM, etc.... industry standard servers isF >different - the bioses are different, the cpu's may be different, the memoryK >organization and physical form-factor thereof may be different, the number = >of periphel controls and their mix may be different, etc....t >eI >Just because it has an Intel cpu doesn't make it industry standard. It'sNG >like Ford saying that their Focus car is an industry standard car justeG >because it uses the same kind of light bulb for its dashboard light asA everyt >other car on the planet.u > I >It is our job to beat the press over the head when they are fast-n-looseb >with what they write. >  >  >  >h9 >"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in messagen. >news:0k$edNglCJpf@eisner.encompasserve.org...L >> In article <fbwd8.153867$Aw2.11063336@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill' >Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:u >>K >> > 2.  To avoid complete redundancy it seems reasonable to assume that an G >> > 'industry standard box' is something more than simply any box thatA >happens/ >> > to contain an industry standard processor.  >> >>D >> One wrinkle.. Industry Standard Server.  Since AMD really doesn'tG >> do much with IA32 servers (their share of the server space is almost E >> non-existent ... currently).  So Industry Standard Server has comeoE >> to mean a server with an Intel processor in it and most observers,oE >> writers and analysts would tend to agree with that.  By leveragingEB >> that built in marketing, the next step of course is to refer to? >> an IPF box as an Industry Standard Server and of course yourOC >> corporation wants to participate in using Industry Standards and B >> leverage all the cost savings and other benefits of being on an >> Industry Standard platform. >> >> Rob >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:54:56 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e2 Subject: Re: How to monitor directory for changes?1 Message-ID: <kYue8.144$fL6.2593@news.cpqcorp.net>.   John!  That you?  . Wanna get rid of the periodic stat() calls eh?      $ W. John Guineau wrote in message ...	 >Hi John,  >h9 >"John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message-% >news:3C7827BE.3060106@qsl.network...27 >> "W. John Guineau" <guineau@earthlink.network> wrote:y >>E >> > Is there a way in VMS to monitor a directory to be notified in ac@ >> > program (C for example) if as file is added to a directory? >>D >> Can you explain exactly what you are really trying to accomplish? >-J >The bottom line is there is a set of legacy code running on a combination ofJ >OpenVMS Alpha servers and Sun Unix machines, which exchange various filesH >for processing (of satellite data - this is for the NASA Jet PropulsionI >Laboratory - where I work.) The issue is that the current mechanism usesiF >some kind of polling and they are trying to reduce unnecessary delaysJ >wherever possible. By monitoring for directory changes, the sytem is moreJ >"event driven" will process new files as soon as they appear, rather than at >the next polling interval.F >.J >The systems "exchange" the files via an NFS mounted share and, again, forK >legacy reasons, we are not allowed to modernise this operation and do awayyJ >with the multiple machines. Back when it was designed (if you can call itK >that!) a single system did not have the horsepower to perform the "science1J >data processing" in real-time. Of course, these days that's no longer theL >case, but the system works and is deemed "untouchable" so we must live with >it. >iG >The "serialization lock" program Craig posted looks like it will solveH theirn	 >problem.  >  >johni >w >u >r >I   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 05:36:10 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)B Subject: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS?< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0202250536.da43b6b@posting.google.com>  ? IBM is starting a campaign that may well take over the high endeA while Compaq sits continues to peddle windoze as the high end ...nA what is sad is that Alpha VMS is/was the best realtime os clusterP; system ... what stupidity at Compaq!  from the inquirer ...s  , IBM thrashes Intel, Sun, on mainframe front   $ Realtime failover is sex on a stick 7 By Mike Magee in San Francisco, 25/02/2002 11:03:21 BST-  F WHATEVER HYPE Sun Microsystems or even Intel might generate, with eachE saying that they have the perfect solution for corporate America, theW- INQUIRER has learned that IBM has the answer.2* And Compaq and HP are both also-rans too.   A IT managers we spoke to today said that IBM was possibly the onlyh= company to deliver real-time operating systems with real-time 	 failover.e  A What this means is that IBM has mainframes chief accountants willh@ trust, and they refuse to be drawn into somewhat risky ventures.  F After all, an IT manager at a huge US bank told us today, if somethingC goes wrong, our customers will complain. "That is the last thing wer7 need," he said. "There is already a level of mistrust."d  D "Credit card companies don&#8217;t want or need anything to go wrongF and wont be involved with new ventures from either Intel or Sun, whichD could possibly prove unsafe," he added. "Nevertheless," he said, "we1 are trying to assess what Sun and Intel tell us."e  C "It&#8217;s a total cost of ownership problem. But IBM is selling a F mainframe far more cost effective than hundreds of thousands of PCs or& workstations from either Intel or Sun.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:11:12 -0500g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> F Subject: Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS?, Message-ID: <3C7A7E3F.F2EFA0BA@videotron.ca>   Bob Ceculski wrote:iH > After all, an IT manager at a huge US bank told us today, if somethingE > goes wrong, our customers will complain. "That is the last thing wel9 > need," he said. "There is already a level of mistrust."   L Interesting use of words. Banks aren't "real time". Manufacturing plants and the shuttle are real-time.  N Is there a table somewhare that compares IBM's MVS "clustering" against VMS' ?- (in terms of failing over , reliability etc).i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:24:38 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>F Subject: Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS?C Message-ID: <Gjve8.207748$d34.15237683@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>e  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C7A7E3F.F2EFA0BA@videotron.ca... > Bob Ceculski wrote: J > > After all, an IT manager at a huge US bank told us today, if somethingG > > goes wrong, our customers will complain. "That is the last thing we); > > need," he said. "There is already a level of mistrust."1 > J > Interesting use of words. Banks aren't "real time". Manufacturing plants and  > the shuttle are real-time. >aI > Is there a table somewhare that compares IBM's MVS "clustering" against  VMS' ?/ > (in terms of failing over , reliability etc).,  G If *you* were competing against VMS, and VMS's owner kept VMS a secret,a7 would *you* bring up the subject if you didn't have to?g  J IBM clearly feels there's a market for the kind of 'non-industry-standard'D facilities that VMS provides.  Yet another demonstration of Compaq's1 incompetence in its attempts to emulate Big Blue.   F If many people aren't as completely disgusted with Compaq as I am, I'mI really curious why.  If they are that disgusted, given that a lot of them I have considerably more than my own casual interest in VMS (and Alpha) I'maJ curious why they don't try harder to do something to correct the situationJ (instead of whining about those of us who do try to confront the problem):D do they *really* think that anything is going to improve on its own?   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:36:46 +0100 (MET)u9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> F Subject: Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS?; Message-ID: <01KEPAXP7VWG8ZLH6V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a  6 > Interesting use of words. Banks aren't "real time".   I Based on my own experience, the processing of transactions involving the rI transfer of money into my account is done in batch mode, at the quickest tI overnight but sometimes it takes several days.  However, when I withdraw oI funds from my account, the debit is noted in real time.  If you have two lG ATM cards, synchronise watches before giving one to someone travelling pH half-way around the world.  Arrange that one of you will withdraw funds D up to the withdrawal limit at a given time and the other should try G again a few seconds later.  That's real-time processing (or, at least, c almost real-time).   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 12:57:04 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)F Subject: Re: IBM says they have best real time mainframe, where's VMS?3 Message-ID: <+EMScgu15BaY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <Gjve8.207748$d34.15237683@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > H > If many people aren't as completely disgusted with Compaq as I am, I'mK > really curious why.  If they are that disgusted, given that a lot of them K > have considerably more than my own casual interest in VMS (and Alpha) I'm L > curious why they don't try harder to do something to correct the situationL > (instead of whining about those of us who do try to confront the problem):F > do they *really* think that anything is going to improve on its own? >   H Have you considered the possibility that after many years of pushing VMSD despite Palmer and now CPQ, the people who really care have just hadL enough ? In the face of a never ending struggle, many people just eventually? tire of the struggle, give up and apply their skills elsewhere.i  L I am not at this stage, but I am beginning to see how other people could be.   > - bill >    Simon.   -- eB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.C   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:14:22 +0800]) From: "Steven Xie" <r33300@email.mot.com>c% Subject: Re: mysterious system reboot + Message-ID: <a5ch75$25k$1@newshost.mot.com>e  . Forget to tell, The system info. as following,   OS OpenVMS 7.2-1 HW Alpha ES40.  ? I have done a ana/crash and it turn out something as following.e   Crashdump Summary Information:  -----------------------------* Crash Time:        25-FEB-2002 08:53:14.58< Bugcheck Type:     INSF_NONPAGED, Insufficient nonpaged pool3 Node:              MTTAI   (Cluster, Galaxy Member)a* CPU Type:          Compaq AlphaServer ES40 VMS Version:       V7.2-1  Current Process:   NULLo" Current Image:     <not available>: Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.80331638    SYS$SHDRIVER+73638$ Failing PS:        18000000.00000804L Module:            SYS$SHDRIVER    (Link Date/Time: 28-MAY-1999 23:31:32.66) Offset:            00073638') Looks like I need a new patch for this???,   Thanks,r Steves    < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3C79B051.D9BC5B70@fsi.net...- > Steven Xie wrote:- > >a > > Hello there, > >:I > > We have just encountered a system fail this morning. I'd like ask youe forW	 > > help.f > >eE > > One of the system within our production cluster reboot itself. It@ happenedI > > just like somebody reboot the system (but we know for sure nobody did  that).H > > We have check the operator.log file and couldn't find any clue. Does* > > anything else I can do to find it out? >yE > We had the same problem a couple of weeks a go on an Alpha 2100. NotG > dump, no clues in the error log or OPCOM log, nothing. There may havegB > been something on the console, perhaps a double machine check or- > something. However, the console is a VT520.a >oH > I've put an item into the change schedule to reconnect it to PCM on anI > AlphaStation. If it should happen again, at least we'll have the optionh@ > of checking for anything that may have come up on the console. >BJ > Of course, without knowing your VMS version, other software and versionsI > (layered products, SIPs, etc.), it's tough to say anything else, exceptnG > to say that certain software has been known to cause spurious reboots J > with no dump or other indications. Search the archives of this newsgroup > and you may find a reference.R >t > Can't say much more... >e > -- > David J. Dachterae > dba DJE SystemsY > http://www.djesys.com/ >;* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:00:37 +0000V( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>% Subject: Re: mysterious system reboot0) Message-ID: <3C7A3575.284A25FE@127.0.0.1>n   JF Mezei wrote:c > " > Have you checked the error log ?   Good place to look.   L > Years ago, when there was a qubec-wide power failure, the power went downO > slowly enough that the all mighty microvax II had time to log a memory parityaH > error to the error log with the exact time stamp of the power failure.  H Not exactly. This is what the errorlog buffers are for, and why they areD written first off when the system crashes. Errors are preserved, andB when the system reboots and the error formatter process starts, itF places the contents of the error log buffers into the error file, with' the correct posthumous dates and times.n  H Powerfail and what happens is quite well documented in the 5.2 InternalsH and Datastructures but it is an interesting observation of yours that it6 works, enough residual current to perform a few tasks.  F The 'latent' memory errors is an interesting one, only actually logged atH shutdown (usual behaviour for corrected errors), anyone offer a rhyme or reason?e   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 08:52:59 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) % Subject: Re: mysterious system rebootn3 Message-ID: <KksIuQwqNXGz@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  W In article <a5ch75$25k$1@newshost.mot.com>, "Steven Xie" <r33300@email.mot.com> writes:n0 > Forget to tell, The system info. as following, >  > OS OpenVMS 7.2-1 > HW Alpha ES40. > A > I have done a ana/crash and it turn out something as following.s >   > Crashdump Summary Information:  > ------------------------------, > Crash Time:        25-FEB-2002 08:53:14.58> > Bugcheck Type:     INSF_NONPAGED, Insufficient nonpaged pool5 > Node:              MTTAI   (Cluster, Galaxy Member)s, > CPU Type:          Compaq AlphaServer ES40 > VMS Version:       V7.2-1s > Current Process:   NULL $ > Current Image:     <not available>< > Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.80331638    SYS$SHDRIVER+73638& > Failing PS:        18000000.00000804N > Module:            SYS$SHDRIVER    (Link Date/Time: 28-MAY-1999 23:31:32.66) > Offset:            00073638o+ > Looks like I need a new patch for this???p >     ? 	I would say... I would also suggest you check all ECOs.. seemst< 	you are seriously behind.  Here is where I am at, there may2 	be a newer ECO for SHDRIVER , but not much newer:  A $	ANALYZE/IMAGE/INTERACTIVE SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYS$SHDRIVER.EXE m  (         Image Identification Information  /                 image name: "SYS$PLUS_SHDRIVER"C0                 image file identification: "X-3"B                 image file build identification: "X6TE-0050130123"J                 link date/time: 22-MAY-2001 15:04:02.24   <===============  E 	Keep in mind, you can't just apply the "shadow patch."  Many patchesk) 	have dependencies and this one does too:E    H      3.1  The  following  remedial  kit(s)  must  be  installed   BEFORE4           installation of this, or any required kit:           -  VMS721_PCSI-V0100.          -  VMS721_UPDATE-V0300.g  E 	Again, this was done last year some time so all these may have newerr2 	versions... so you have investigation to perform.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:44:33 +0800r7 From: "Quek, Hong Cheang" <Hongcheang.Quek@ap.sony.com>e Subject: PrintServer softwaresO Message-ID: <18560B9BCCE902439194CA5C0AA9963F55F930@SGSINSMAPXMS10.SONYE2K.COM>I   Hi  J I need to get the printserver software for my DEC print server 17. Saw oneJ of the mails on DEC print server 17 that points to www.digital.com for the? software download. But that site has already been transfered to I www.compaq.com and I can't find any download at the compaq site. Is there / any other places where I can get the software. o   Thanks.h   Quek  C ------------------------------------------------------------------- J This email is confidential and intended only for the use of the individualL or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged. If youH are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination,I distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have.J received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return emailH or telephone and destroy the original message. Thank you. - This mail is) sent via Sony Asia Pacific Mail Gateway. aC -------------------------------------------------------------------i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:56:34 +0000r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS8 Message-ID: <dj0k7u02u9pl0n771vg83kf1tgrbs4hvq3@4ax.com>  E On 23 Feb 2002 22:07:43 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>m wrote:    G >At one, it is NT on Alpha, now something else. Not sure what, but I'llsF >bet quids it will not be VMS. The other is going Sun.  Good bye aboutA >8 Alphas in a split cluster. They will keep one machine for 'old E >stuff' so when some one wanders in with old code, they ca just throwwF >him onto the clunker. Good bye VMS... They used to give every studentA >a VMS account. The tech colleges have all got rid of all the VMSa >systems.  Zip, nada, nill.   A And I have detailed here many times how the University of Abertay:C Dundee, where I was the systems manager for a number of years, went E from being the largest Scottish academic user of VMS to having no VMS1E systems over a space of four years. All thanks to DEC and Microsoft'stC affinity disaster. DEC and Microsoft sales went behind our backs to.F senior university management with the advice that Alpha/NT was the wayF forward. It's worth quoting again what DEC sales said: "Alan is livingE in the past. VMS was a fine operating system in its time but Alpha/NTiD is the future. Alpha/NT will be around long after VMS is gone. We're. betting the future of the company on Alpha/NT"  F This after we recommended VMS remain our primary server OS and that weE not get too much exposure to Alpha/NT because I was worried DEC wouldO@ drop it just as IBM had dropped their own port. Various contactsD within DEC promised to get a retraction of this and passed it up the? management chain. No retraction ever arrived and the universityrE canceled orders for two VMS Alphaservers over our heads and began thec< phase out of VMS. That's when I realised the true purpose of "Affinity".e  D Four years ago all email, nntp, web servers, general teaching, adminD systems etc were all VMS. I see no reason why they couldn't still be6 today if we'd had help rather than hindrance from DEC. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:00:22 +0000a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS8 Message-ID: <im2k7uce91sqcj8pp329to5su7g297dk5n@4ax.com>  , On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:33:13 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:c   >Brass Christof wrote:I >> original or helpful. To repeat well known facts to an audience that ist >> well I >> acquainted with the situation is not the best use of yours and other'sh >> time. >rL >Some still refuse to admit that Compaq is poised to cease to exist in a few >weeks.n  A Yeh, especially those clueless members of the Hewlett and PackardiF families. As you are so certain of predicting an outcome that analystsD are still split on could you give me next week's UK lottery numbers. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:05:17 +0000h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>b2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS8 Message-ID: <0v2k7ucdp9niil6mmutvjdsu9geq156p1o@4ax.com>  4 On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:12:48 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:     >5K >Indeed they would, and it would seem to me that the folks most responsiblegM >for such suggestions are in Compaq's strategy and marketing groups. Muffled,e" >mayhap, by the Cone of Silence???  E And during the brief renaissance of VMS marketing we even saw ads runmF for VMS in mainstream UK trade publications. I have been told by thoseC in the know that these ads produced a measurable result. So why the  hell have they stopped?B       -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:24:25 +0000r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>g2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS8 Message-ID: <a43k7u0rsbmo92qc1ar58jd2nf0fsuvvnb@4ax.com>  1 On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:03:20 -0500, "Main, Kerry"f <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> wrote:   >sH >From what I understand, many universities are also now teaching Java as >well. >s3 >Some recent new applications certified on OpenVMS:e  C Right Kerry. Fly over to the UK and visit the University of Abertayw9 Dundee. Put a plan together to push them back towards VMS C aggressively. Sell them on Java. It's only about 6 months since thee@ last VMS system was shut down and there are folks pining for it.8 Contact Stewart Gardner, Director Systems and Networks..  A Scan this newsgroup for posts from academic sites sill using VMS.iE *VISIT EVERY SINGLE ONE RIGHT NOW" and ask what can be done to help.  F Contact Andy Cobley at the microcentre Dundee University (wrote a bookC on Java before most had even heard of it) as well. He'd be happy toyE have the offer of a VMS system for teaching JAVA I'm sure. He used to D work with me supporting Unigraphics on VMS and still has a soft spotB for it. I could go on and on with names and contacts. How about StC Andrews University, currently home to Prince William, and the firstwB place I ever saw VMS. Their systems and network managers are still' fond of VMS. If the price was right....-  E If Compaq don't do this then spouting off about universities teachingmD Java being good for VMS is completely pointless if the university no longer has any VMS systems.h  @ Given a relatively small budget and some seed machines I am 100%E convinced I could get VMS back in several UK universities without tooa$ much difficulty if Compaq backed me.   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 03:26:54 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) 2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0202250326.7d0e1daa@posting.google.com>   v susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote in message news:<857e9e41.0202221910.753103c5@posting.google.com>... > Newsgroup folks, > F > What Fred has said is true.  It is your choice to belive us or not. F > But please keep in mind what Fred has said in this note.  None of usE > at Compaq are commended by management for any participation on thistH > newsgroup.  We participate because we care about VMS and what you have	 > to say.n >   F I've said it before, at around 2001-07-18 05:56:40 PST, and I will say	 it again:n  A "I'm willing to give the OpenVMS team my trust and respect - theyeD have earned it *over and over* again ever since I have been involvedF with OpenVMS. I for one have *never* caught them out as far as lies orD any underhanded behaviour is concerned. M$ on the other hand... well% you can do that at least once a week"h  @ Now, has anyone here actually tried to get a (not so technically= competent) user off Window(tm) and onto OpenVMS? (or even anya variant of UN*X)?   C M$ are a cancer that simply digs it's heels in further and further.a  E That cancer by definition eats away at Compaq/HP management, since it@F has grown far too large - it hurts them and they have to pander to it.  C If you have cancer, you just simply can't say "I'm well now - I canu1 ignore this" and get on with your life as before.a  D Sorry if this seems weird, however it is how I feel the situation itD concerning Compaq/HP Management. They don't have a _perfectly_ clearB choice in this. How hard they want to fight that cancer is what is under debate here.  @ OpenVMS engineering clearly are _not_ done fighting that cancer.A "survival of VMS" is in the original title of this thread I thinkf  they are doing an excellent job.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:45:11 +0100d' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net> 2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS' Message-ID: <3C7A23C7.1EC606F@spam.net>a   Alan Greig wrote:a > 6 > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:12:48 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"$ > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >  > >nM > >Indeed they would, and it would seem to me that the folks most responsibleaO > >for such suggestions are in Compaq's strategy and marketing groups. Muffled,g$ > >mayhap, by the Cone of Silence??? > G > And during the brief renaissance of VMS marketing we even saw ads runeH > for VMS in mainstream UK trade publications. I have been told by thoseE > in the know that these ads produced a measurable result. So why the  > hell have they stopped?e   Exactly because of that.  I Imagine: people at Compaq getting phone calls about something they never  E heard about; they don't know how to deal with it; and all the troublef later F that come with delivering systems to customers. Probably these people E complained internally about the strange work they suddenly had to do.l   -- t6 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequence   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:34:13 +0100e' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net>n2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS( Message-ID: <3C7A3D55.8C804E23@spam.net>   Alan Greig wrote:i  H > Sounds about right. When I called the number given in a UK AlphaserverA > ad and asked for Tru64 brochures to pass to our team evaluatingrE > platforms for a Norwegian SAP installation I received about a dozen-A > Wintel server brochures instead. Nobody from Compaq was sacked.3 > H > >that come with delivering systems to customers. Probably these peopleH > >complained internally about the strange work they suddenly had to do. > G > Our former Compaq account manager regularly told me he was interestedrH > in finding out more about Alpha products himself but was not helped toE > do so. Several times I have asked Rich Marcello why Compaq does notcB > run variants of its Diamond Forums and Technical Update Days forG > Compaq generic sales staff. Rich replied: "It's a good idea". Nothingh > came of it though.  D If you're familiar with fictions and movies you know that sometimes B phantasy isn't as good as real life to invent that kind of satire.  ? Maybe even Rich wasn't sure about you were talking. Alpha? VMS?I   -- (6 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequence   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:26:23 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS; Message-ID: <01KEP4BYI6MQ8ZLH6V@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>u  A > It is obvious that Compaq employees must tow the company line. f  F Actually, "toe" the line, though "tow" might be more appropriate here!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:11:06 +0000u% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>c2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS8 Message-ID: <51ak7u4gmvddd04vbtoumlmf6f9vo087bl@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:45:11 +0100, Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net>p wrote:  H >> And during the brief renaissance of VMS marketing we even saw ads runI >> for VMS in mainstream UK trade publications. I have been told by thosehF >> in the know that these ads produced a measurable result. So why the >> hell have they stopped? >  >Exactly because of that.h >eJ >Imagine: people at Compaq getting phone calls about something they never F >heard about; they don't know how to deal with it; and all the trouble >later ,  F Sounds about right. When I called the number given in a UK Alphaserver? ad and asked for Tru64 brochures to pass to our team evaluatingsC platforms for a Norwegian SAP installation I received about a dozena? Wintel server brochures instead. Nobody from Compaq was sacked.a  G >that come with delivering systems to customers. Probably these people  F >complained internally about the strange work they suddenly had to do.  E Our former Compaq account manager regularly told me he was interested-F in finding out more about Alpha products himself but was not helped toC do so. Several times I have asked Rich Marcello why Compaq does not @ run variants of its Diamond Forums and Technical Update Days forE Compaq generic sales staff. Rich replied: "It's a good idea". Nothing  came of it though.   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 08:27:52 -08001 From: margate_dave@netzero.net (David Katelansky) 2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS= Message-ID: <d33f65f6.0202250827.73e55323@posting.google.com>f  V Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net> wrote in message news:<3C7A23C7.1EC606F@spam.net>... > >  > K > Imagine: people at Compaq getting phone calls about something they never tG > heard about; they don't know how to deal with it; and all the troublec > later H > that come with delivering systems to customers. Probably these people G > complained internally about the strange work they suddenly had to do.v  D This sounds weird to most people.  Companies are in business to makeB money, so you'd think they'd be more then happy to get calls about@ their products.  Back in 1999 I found out that most employees ofB Compaq didn't even know what DEC compters were called, or at leastC they acted that way.  I wanted to buy a used VAX so I called up the-F sales department at Compaq to see if they did that or could lead me inD the right direction; nobody in their sales department had ever heardC of a VAX!  I called their support department; nobody there had everwE heard of a VAX either, so they put me through to technical support tot? see if somebody there could help me - same negative results!  I F finally found a company in New York, the Computer Clearing House, that@ had just what I wanted; a VAXStation 3100 M38.  You can find VAX= systems on e-bay nowadays, but that was a really exasperating.B experience I had with Compaq.  It also shows you that there was noE initiative at Compaq to even make their employees aware about the DEC = line of computers.  Back in 1999 Compaq was still producing auC VAXStation 3100 (M95 I think); you'd think somebody in sales shouldnD have been told that.  This showed a complete lack of interest in theE DEC line of computers at Compaq, and I agree with Brass Christof; the/F people I spoke to didn't want to be bothered with these systems they'd never even heard of.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:43:51 -0500E5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 2 Subject: Re: Profitability and the survival of VMS1 Message-ID: <aGve8.148$fL6.2969@news.cpqcorp.net>Y  D Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote in message <3c780ebf$1@news.kapsch.co.at>...  G >2.) I don't want to see people hitting Q's people participating in the K >    usenet for the actions of Q's management. They are not paid/authorizedcH >    for reading and writing here and don't deserve all the bad feelingsH >    (I still wonder, why Fred invested so much time in this discussions here)c  K I tend to eat lunch at my desk, and that is when I usually read this group.hI Or when I am in the process of a compile/build/test loop, and I'm waitingtL for the build to complete.  Or when I'm stuck on a listen-only con-call that I am completely bored by.g  D I invested some time here hoping to try stem some of the tide in theE let's-all-piss-on-Compaq contest from a small handful of posters with-L apparently infinite time on their hands.  It was probably a mistake.  If youL let the discussion start from "when did you stop beating your wife" - you'veE already lost.  The reality is that the decisions that have been made,0L especially in regard to Alpha, will cause some customers to be very unhappy.H We are and will make efforts to lessen the unhappyness, but in the end -L there will be a handful who we will decide to leave OpenVMS and Compaq.  ButI the vast majority of OpenVMS customers will continue to use VMS, and will.I transition as they are ready, onto the new architecture.  And frankly, it K won't matter to most of them what is under the hood.  VMS used to only have K a weak 4-cyl engine under the hood (the VAX), and we upgraded to a V8.  ButrJ we only used the stock V8, and never blueprinted it.  I expect that at theI time we start selling Itanium systems, it might be a strong V6 initially,i/ but it will get and surpass what we have today.r  L In any case, this isn't a useful forum - for the most part - to even discussL any of this.  Nobody reading this newsgroup is a decision maker at the level to complain to.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:49:57 -0500-- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>-" Subject: Re: Setting Time and Date( Message-ID: <3C7A6B2E.9C55D447@ohio.edu>   HELP SET TIME Examples  ! 	$ SET TIME=14-DEC-1998:19:31:0.0r   				RDPS     Ozone Radical wrote: > ^ > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3C775A35.950ECD2A@Free.fr>...A > > Buy the appropriate license. This forum is not a WAREZ forum.  > >u > E > The computers, and the software on them, were given to us by the US H > government. We are supposed to get them working. Thanks for the advise	 > anyway.s   -- oB ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:24:23 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comU Subject: Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (o: Message-ID: <OFB68C3A17.4B1D5038-ON00256B6B.004F1C80@btyp>  = Nope. If it WAS a US attempt it would be an attempt at humor!i   ;^D   J BTW, I too am puzzled by the reference... does everyone else in the US ask) for fi and chips when they leave the pub?i   Cheers   Steve Sw        9 paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au on 02/23/2002 06:45:45 PM.    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:sG From:      paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au, 23 February 2002, 6:45 p.m.r  J Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (p     Bob,+ >      Fish is only singular in New Jersey.p  * Is this some strange US attempt at humour?   Regards, Paddy            F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hassG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,l$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.t  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.5  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,:D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 08:29:41 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)lU Subject: Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (p3 Message-ID: <Jbl6KmZJoCQV@eisner.encompasserve.org>k  ] In article <01KEMGOK42CI0058C8@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:c > Bob,, >>      Fish is only singular in New Jersey. > , > Is this some strange US attempt at humour?  C    Everything in the state of New Jersey is strange.  Even the good 
    things.  I    As we moved around the country when I was a child, I was treated to a 9B    great many variations on what was condidered education.  But itD    wasn't until we moved to NJ that someone tried to teach my sister     fishes as the plural of fish.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Feb 2002 18:37:21 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)hU Subject: Re: Singular they was Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans (d, Message-ID: <a5e091$1tcr$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  : In article <OFB68C3A17.4B1D5038-ON00256B6B.004F1C80@btyp>,#  Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes:h |> e@ |> Nope. If it WAS a US attempt it would be an attempt at humor! |> - |> ;^D |> ,M |> BTW, I too am puzzled by the reference... does everyone else in the US askR, |> for fi and chips when they leave the pub?  	 I wish!! 7    . |> >      Fish is only singular in New Jersey.  A I think this is supposed to refer somehow to a musical (and I uset9 the term very loosely) group from New Jersey name "FISH".s   bill   -- JJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   '   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 07:59:07 -0800' From: jan.trnka@stabilit.ch (Jan Trnka)w Subject: Re: SOAP on OpenVMS?n= Message-ID: <f3e739f2.0202250759.34d478c2@posting.google.com>e  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C79AC97.B8F2C648@fsi.net>... > Jan Trnka wrote: > > 
 > > Robert > > > > > we are developing an messaging software called Compaq USP. > H > I've been tempted to think there's at least one "dope" at the Q, but IJ > never considered anything called, "Compaq (U.S. Pharmacopoeia)". Will it+ > be over-the-counter or prescription only?t  E Years ago Paul Shraeger (the RTR architect) told me that ACID is a TP B drug. Now we try to make a medicine for those sick VMS systems not< beeing able to run real e-Business. The product will be freeE over-the-counter, better say give-away without prescription. Compaq &i= we hope to cure some new patients. Those who got a strong USPf@ vaccination already are SWX - Swiss Stock Exchange, Nestl, UBS, Commerzbank... --- F The real meaning of USP is not Unique Selling Point nor US Pacific nor> Universidade de Sao Paulo nor the US Pharmacopeial Convention.  * it stands for Universal Service Processor.     /Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 07:57:41 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) @ Subject: Re: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?3 Message-ID: <phxjBTKCkK09@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  W In article <23FEB200212464601@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:,3 > koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes...es > }In article <3c75ba7e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:n > }> mA > }> Gross approximation, I'd say: 1 uFortnight = 1.2096 seconds.a0 > }> But properly documented. What a great joke! > } K > }   1 Fortnight is nearly an even multiple of 60Hz line clock frequency.s3 > }   I think some PDP-11/70 fellow was having fun.a > > > Sounds like flawed math. A microfortnight is 1.2096 seconds.? > That is 72.576 times 1/60 second.  That doesn't seem anywheree > near an even multiple to me.  =    If you use 1024 instead of 1000 it comes very close to 70.a$    After all it's a computer, right?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:11:27 -0500c* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>@ Subject: RE: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?- Message-ID: <0033000054231040000002L002*@MHS>r  : =0AVarious terminological repositories contain information similar to the following entry:    microfortnight  H n. 1/1000000 of the fundamental unit of time in the Furlong/Firkin/Fort= night H system of measurement; 1.2096 sec. (A furlong is 1/8th of a mile; a fir= kin isH 1/4th of a barrel; the mass unit of the system is taken to be a firkin = ofH water). The VMS operating system has a lot of tuning parameters that yo=	 u can seteH with the SYSGEN utility, and one of these is TIMEPROMPTWAIT, the time t=	 he systemaH will wait for an operator to set the correct date and time at boot if i= tlC realizes that the current value is bogus. This time is specified in- microfortnights!  H Multiple uses of the millifortnight (about 20 minutes) and nanofortnigh= t have also been reported.[NHD]   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe' Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:00 AM1B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET@ Subject: RE: Strange status value - when can I expect to get it?    H In article <23FEB200212464601@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl = Perkins); writes: > koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes... > > }In article <3c75ba7e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>,9 martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes: > }>vC > }> Gross approximation, I'd say: 1 uFortnight =3D 1.2096 seconds.b0 > }> But properly documented. What a great joke! > }xH > }   1 ?Fortnight is nearly an even multiple of 60Hz line clock freque= ncy.3 > }   I think some PDP-11/70 fellow was having fun.w > > > Sounds like flawed math. A microfortnight is 1.2096 seconds.? > That is 72.576 times 1/60 second.  That doesn't seem anywheret > near an even multiple to me.  =    If you use 1024 instead of 1000 it comes very close to 70.a%    After all it's a computer, right?=-   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 08:42:44 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org/ Subject: Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?S3 Message-ID: <5F0HMyrsNAHr@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  b In article <3C779891.6BB6A97@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: > Hi.u< > I'd like a tool that displays the total size and number of; > the files i each dir on a disk. Each dir should display atB > total *incl* all sub-dirs from that level. A "dir /tot" displaysB > the actual number of files and size in each dir *excl* sub-dirs. > % > Anyone having samething like this ?n  @ I have a piece of Fortran code to do something similar.  Must be@ ten years old by now.  It does its work with a single sequentialD pass through INDEXF.SYS.  (Chases directory back-links and maintains) upward-pointing backlink tree in memory).d  F As written, it ends up generating totals for every top level directoryE catalogued in [000000].  But I don't think it would be hard to modifyh1 it to generate totals for subdirectories as well.t  B Hideously site-specific.  But if nothing else, it is an example of how to write C code in Fortran.   ;   http://ftp.na.baesystems.com/comp.os.vms/dasd_collect.forg   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:08:08 +0100-9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>0/ Subject: Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?u' Message-ID: <3C7A6168.52A078A6@aaa.com>i   Didier Morandi wrote:V >  > I see. > G > Did you consider using DISKQUOTA, giving a different UIC ownership tomJ > all files in each directory, then use diskquota rebuild to get a list of > disk space used per UIC? >  > D.    / The owners of the dirs/files are not rellevant. 5 It's not regulary "user files", the whole server doesg< just run one application that owns (more or less) all files.  0 What I'd like to "find" is, e.g., some directory2 where I'v forgotten to clean out tmp files or some0 batch job where I'v forgotten to purge the logs.  > Right now, I think I'll just run a "DIR/SIZE/TOT/OUT=somefile"% and then write some DCL to sum it up.o    	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:26:49 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>?/ Subject: RE: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?e9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEIOEDAA.tom@kednos.com>e  H The corresponding unix command is called du (disk usage) I looked and it doesn't B appear to be part of the bash kit, but maybe someone has provide a
 functioanl? equivalent.  At least you have one more thing to search for :->o   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Jan-Erik Soderholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]c) > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:08 AMd > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi1 > Subject: Re: tool to calc recursive dir sises ?c >l >e > Didier Morandi wrote:r > >w
 > > I see. > > I > > Did you consider using DISKQUOTA, giving a different UIC ownership totL > > all files in each directory, then use diskquota rebuild to get a list of > > disk space used per UIC? > >e > > D. >e > 1 > The owners of the dirs/files are not rellevant.o7 > It's not regulary "user files", the whole server doess> > just run one application that owns (more or less) all files. >.2 > What I'd like to "find" is, e.g., some directory4 > where I'v forgotten to clean out tmp files or some2 > batch job where I'v forgotten to purge the logs. >y@ > Right now, I think I'll just run a "DIR/SIZE/TOT/OUT=somefile"' > and then write some DCL to sum it up.< >c >@ > Jan-Erik.t >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:13:05 +0100t" From: hdeasy <nospam@estec.esa.nl>5 Subject: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] commandw, Message-ID: <3C7A2A51.F5744832@estec.esa.nl>  @ On Vax/VMS, it is so handy to be able to enter DIR/SIN [...] and: get all files today with their paths clearly identifiable.  F THere seems to be no easy UNIX equivalent, or does anyone know of one?   Regards,	 H. Deasy.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:38:49 -0500d From: William_Bochnik@acml.com9 Subject: Re: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] commandm> Message-ID: <OF42A2F082.4825663D-ON85256B6B.004ADDE5@acml.com>  = create a file called after - the creation date is the "after"t parameter,  like below:    $ touch -mt 08271115 /tmp/aftero     $ find /  -newer /tmp/after -lsa                  [                                                                                            h[                       hdeasy                                                               v[                       <nospam@estec.es                To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com           u[                       a.nl>                           cc:                                  a[                                                Subject: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN      [                       02/25/2002 07:13         [...] command                               .[                       AM                                                                   b[                       Please respond                                                       E[                       to hdeasy                                                            t[                       <nospam@estec.es                                                     -[                       a.nl>                                                                z[                                                                                            2[                                                                                            .      @ On Vax/VMS, it is so handy to be able to enter DIR/SIN [...] and: get all files today with their paths clearly identifiable.  A THere seems to be no easy UNIX equivalent, or does anyone know ofe one?   Regards,	 H. Deasy.           F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may containa@ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedt= recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering 3 this message to the intended recipient, any review,f@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroyw# all copies of the original message.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:39:24 +0100e' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net>a9 Subject: Re: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] commande( Message-ID: <3C7A3E8C.91F819CA@spam.net>  
 hdeasy wrote:  > B > On Vax/VMS, it is so handy to be able to enter DIR/SIN [...] and< > get all files today with their paths clearly identifiable. > H > THere seems to be no easy UNIX equivalent, or does anyone know of one? > 
 > Regards, > H. Deasy.o  & Use NFS and access the drive from VMS.   -- n6 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequence   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Feb 2002 08:38:00 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t9 Subject: Re: UNIX equivalent of Vax DIR/SIN [...] commandl3 Message-ID: <jL9toDtunHoZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  Q In article <3C7A2A51.F5744832@estec.esa.nl>, hdeasy <nospam@estec.esa.nl> writes: B > On Vax/VMS, it is so handy to be able to enter DIR/SIN [...] and< > get all files today with their paths clearly identifiable. > H > THere seems to be no easy UNIX equivalent, or does anyone know of one? >   D    This will come close.  If you're forced to do UNIX, you'ld better    learn find:      find . -mtime -1 -print  F    Note:  exeact syntax depends on which UNIX, but the above will work&    on any I've had access to recently.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:48:57 -0500 * From: John Reagan <john.reagan@compaq.com> Subject: Re: VAX SCANr) Message-ID: <3C7A5CE9.3020700@compaq.com>u   Tom Linden wrote:nA > I couldn't locate a license pak for subject on the freeware 4.0  > distribution. F > Did I miss it?  If not, does someone have a pak they couls email me? > A > Rebuilding the kit does not seem like a productive use of time.@ > - > Was this ever ported to Alpha in some form?e >  >    It was never ported to Alpha.d   --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:05:05 +0300c4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@smtp.deltatel.ru> Subject: Re: VAX SCANd0 Message-ID: <3C7A8AE1.6083EE81@smtp.deltatel.ru>   John Reagan wrote: >  > Tom Linden wrote:aC > > I couldn't locate a license pak for subject on the freeware 4.0z > > distribution.eH > > Did I miss it?  If not, does someone have a pak they couls email me? > >iC > > Rebuilding the kit does not seem like a productive use of time./ > >0/ > > Was this ever ported to Alpha in some form?m > >s > >m >  > It was never ported to Alpha.u 	Is there a plan to do this ?    >  > --
 > John Reagan ) > Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leadere   -- p Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+;       RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.com_8         vms-isps@dls.net - Forum for ISP running OpenVMS*                  Mobile: +7 (901) 971-3222A    TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RUi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:26:01 +0100s2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)! Subject: Re: [Q] internet and VMSa; Message-ID: <3c79aec9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a  ) Bob Ceculski (bob@instantwhip.com) wrote: 6 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote...F > > TCPware for OpenVMS from Process Software, http://www.process.com/I > > TCPware was written from the ground up on VMS. It's kind of a pain toi: > > manage, but is very fast for some important functions. >rL > what are you talking about a pain to manage?  it is far easier than ucx orM > multinet, and once you understand the tcpware_configure.com file, you don't. > even need $ NETCU anymore,  E TCPWARE_CONFIGURE.COM doesn't carry an NETCU settings. It's all about  CNFNET.COM.l  0 > as you can then edit the above com file to addK > modify or remove anything, along w/three other files, routing.com, hosts.aA > and your packet filter file if you are doing packet filters ...>   And SERVERS.COM.   > their also is acK > gui management interface available if you need something fancier, but whyr& > pay extra when it is easy using EDT?   ???t  K 1. I thought you violently opposed having to edit ASCII configuration filesdL    at some time? Once you understand HTTPD.CONF, configuring Apache is easy.  L 2. The WEBCNF (Web GUI) component has very limited functionality in TCPware.   cu,    Martin -- oG So long, and thanks        | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer-4 for all the books...       | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK In Memoriam Douglas Adams  |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:;             1952-2001      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:05:47 +00000( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>! Subject: Re: [Q] internet and VMSI) Message-ID: <3C7A36AB.770FE62D@127.0.0.1>t   MerefBast wrote: > O >    I saw a list comparing operating systems on internet related features, but I > VMS was missing from the comparison list. Does anyone know which of the G > following VMS has (preferably with an authorative reference)? Thanks.e  D Could you provide a link to this so someone (?) can make corrections where required.F   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.110 ************************