0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 06 Jan 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 10      Contents:P 7744           Would you like to lose weight while you sleep?                  47 Re: About that net seminar, Alpha to Itanium (30th Nov) P Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went     wrong   aP Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went   wrong   at P Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went   wrong   at P Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong   at DEP Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong   at DEP Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong  at DECO Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC / Re: Can Exabyte 8200s and 8505s exchange media? 2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways= Re: Compaq's Board of Directors & their value to shareholders = Re: Compaq's Board of Directors & their value to shareholders 5 Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw? 9 Re: Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw? 9 Re: Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw? 9 Re: Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw? ) Re: DIBOL better than Cobol, C anyday ...  Re: Disk problem on DS20/KZPAC! Re: EISA conf util for download ? . Re: Hey Intel, VMS is your ticket to high end!1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 0 Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds Re: MSCP serving 101 question + Re: NAT: publishing the remote IP of router  Need Financial Help? OT: Phone charges in Europe  Re: RRD43 and Kodak CD-RW ?? Re: VAX in a VT-103? Re: VMS and VAX clusteringC Re: VMS as a career move ( was HP admits it will kill VMS if merger C Re: VMS as a career move ( was HP admits it will kill VMS if merger # Re: Why VMS is better than Unix ... P Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was Re: The demise    of com9 Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha 9 Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:30:48) From: 3048968travelincentives2002@aol.com Y Subject: 7744           Would you like to lose weight while you sleep?                  4 7 Message-ID: <200201061534.PAA20800@dlup1.dalian.net.cn>   6  As seen on NBC, CBS, CNN, and even Oprah! 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At the end of the seminar it was indicated that for any G > > questions submitted over the web that had not been answers, emailed  > > answers would be set.  > > ; > > I submitted a question but I've not received any reply.  > > 8 > > Has anyone received any response from this seminar ? > >  > >  > > John McLean  > N > I've answered about 66% of the questions so far and should be able to finishC > the rest by early next week. Sorry I haven't gotten to yours yet.  >   H Thanks Gaitan.  My question has probably been answered by various eventsF that have happened since the seminar but I will still be interested in to see what you say.     John   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:40:01 -0400 + From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> Y Subject: Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went     wrong   a 1 Message-ID: <3C3845A1.234DF0D9@trailing-edge.com>    John Sauter wrote: > 8 > Thank you for the references.  The limitation to 7-bit6 > mode is curious; I know EDT handled 8-bit characters  > on the 16- and 32-bit systems.  > Probably a byte-size choice.  7-bit-bytes were far more common- than 8-bit-bytes as a size choice, of course.    >  The VT125 problem was7 > unknown to me.  The .DOC file lists the source files, 6 > so they were evidently distributed with the product.: > It would be interesting to see their revision histories.  > Those are all available too; type in a source file name in the
 search box at   &   http://new-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/  C Just randomly looking around it seems that most of the source files B required no modification for EDT-20 - of course there must've been6 somewhere where the system-dependent stuff did matter.  : For example, the most recent version of CHMBEGWRD.BLI says   ! - ! AUTHOR: Bob Kushlis, CREATION DATE: Unknown  !  ! MODIFIED BY: ! A ! 1-001 - Original.  DJS 04-Feb-1981.  This module was created by D !       extracting the routine EDT$$FND_BWD  from module CHANGE.BLI.. ! 1-002 - Regularize headers.  JBS 27-Feb-1981+ ! 1-003 - Fix module name.  JBS 02-Mar-1981 8 ! 1-004 - Add handling of new word type. STS 23-Oct-1981= ! 1-005 - Return if we're at the beginning of the buffer. STS  21-Jun-1982  !--   B I assume that you are JBS; I don't know off the top of my head who DJS and STS are.   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:26:07 -0400 + From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> Y Subject: Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went   wrong   at  1 Message-ID: <3C38182F.6DFD0E23@trailing-edge.com>    John Sauter wrote: > 5 > Thanks to Mark and Rich for informing my ignorance.  > 5 > I wish I had known of the port to the DECSYSTEM-20. 5 > I had developed a comprehensive test suite for EDT, 9 > and I would have liked to run it on the 36-bit version. 8 > In order to make line numbers invisible to full screen7 > users of EDT, we used 48-bit integers, which fit well 7 > into machines with 16- and 32-bit integers.  I wonder 3 > what the PDP-10 version used.  Does the reference 8 > manual say?  Is there a section on differences between* > EDT-20 and other implementations of EDT?   You might try looking at  U http://new-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/bb-r775e-bm_tops20_ks_upd_5/documentation/edt.bwr    and   U http://new-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/bb-r775e-bm_tops20_ks_upd_5/documentation/edt.doc    In particular, edt.bwr says       3.0  KNOWN BUGS AND DEFICIENCIES  F There are currently no  known bugs in EDT-20.   If you experience  any* problem with EDT-20, please submit an SPR.     4.0  KNOWN RESTRICTIONS   0 The following restrictions apply to EDT-20 V1.0.    '     o   The PUSH command is journalled.   H     o   If a keypad key is held down  on a VT125, EDT may randomly  dropH         out of change mode back into  line mode.  This is caused by  theH         VT125 sending  a  bad  escape  sequence in  which  part  of  the#         sequence is replaced by ^Z.   =     o   VT200 keyboards may only be used in VT100 7 bit mode.    Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:26:48 -0400 + From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> Y Subject: Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went   wrong   at  1 Message-ID: <3C381858.411FDF20@trailing-edge.com>    John Sauter wrote: > 5 > Thanks to Mark and Rich for informing my ignorance.  > 5 > I wish I had known of the port to the DECSYSTEM-20. 5 > I had developed a comprehensive test suite for EDT, 9 > and I would have liked to run it on the 36-bit version. 8 > In order to make line numbers invisible to full screen7 > users of EDT, we used 48-bit integers, which fit well 7 > into machines with 16- and 32-bit integers.  I wonder 3 > what the PDP-10 version used.  Does the reference 8 > manual say?  Is there a section on differences between* > EDT-20 and other implementations of EDT?' >     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)    You might try looking at  U http://new-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/bb-r775e-bm_tops20_ks_upd_5/documentation/edt.bwr    and   U http://new-pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/bb-r775e-bm_tops20_ks_upd_5/documentation/edt.doc    In particular, edt.bwr says       3.0  KNOWN BUGS AND DEFICIENCIES  F There are currently no  known bugs in EDT-20.   If you experience  any* problem with EDT-20, please submit an SPR.     4.0  KNOWN RESTRICTIONS   0 The following restrictions apply to EDT-20 V1.0.    '     o   The PUSH command is journalled.   H     o   If a keypad key is held down  on a VT125, EDT may randomly  dropH         out of change mode back into  line mode.  This is caused by  theH         VT125 sending  a  bad  escape  sequence in  which  part  of  the#         sequence is replaced by ^Z.   =     o   VT200 keyboards may only be used in VT100 7 bit mode.    Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:00:47 -0500 ' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net> Y Subject: Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong   at DE * Message-ID: <3C384A7F.9310EAE4@Empire.Net>  3 Thanks to Mark and Rich for informing my ignorance.   3 I wish I had known of the port to the DECSYSTEM-20. 3 I had developed a comprehensive test suite for EDT, 7 and I would have liked to run it on the 36-bit version. 6 In order to make line numbers invisible to full screen5 users of EDT, we used 48-bit integers, which fit well 6 into machines with 16- and 32-bit integers.  I wonder 1 what the PDP-10 version used.  Does the reference 6 manual say?  Is there a section on differences between( EDT-20 and other implementations of EDT?%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:14:19 -0500 ' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net> Y Subject: Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong   at DE ) Message-ID: <3C3885EB.56D633B@Empire.Net>   6 Thank you for the references.  The limitation to 7-bit4 mode is curious; I know EDT handled 8-bit characters5 on the 16- and 32-bit systems.  The VT125 problem was 5 unknown to me.  The .DOC file lists the source files, 4 so they were evidently distributed with the product.8 It would be interesting to see their revision histories.%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:29:47 GMT & From: badbob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>Y Subject: Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong  at DEC / Message-ID: <3C387D2B.F24C6C6@bellatlantic.net>    Bob Ceculski wrote:  > a > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C3675B3.BBB92CB@fsi.net>...  > > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > >  > > > Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message news:<Pine.NXT.4.50.0201041017210.22025-100000@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>... R > > > > > I'll go along with COBOL. I did some COBOL porting, that was unpleasant. > > > > R > > > > I think that COBOL's problem was creeping featurism and too much leeway toN > > > > add non-portable means of I/O to the language.  COBOL itself should beL > > > > quite portable, except that hardly anyone ever wrote a 100% standard  > > > > compliant COBOL program. > > > >  > > > > -- Mark -- > > > > ' > > > > http://staff.washington.edu/mrc N > > > > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > > > P > > > should have used DIBOL ... way easier and more powerful to use than cobol! > > 1 > > Um, sorry, Bob - I gotta call ya on that one.  > > K > > I've done both COBOL (on VMS and MP/M (RM/COBOL)) and DIBOL (on VMS and I > > UN*X (SIBOL)). DIBOL would be a miserable excuse for a language if it @ > > weren't to RT-11 what BASIC-Plus is (or once was) to RSTS/E. > > J > > I'd hardly want to work exclusively in COBOL (though I'd do it to saveC > > my VMS career, if it came to that), but I'd hardly want to work ! > > exclusively in DIBOL, either.  > L > synergy dibol today has come a long way from the original rsts/e dibol ...H > it is not only superior to cobol but to c as well ... and I still will. > out program any cobol programmer w/dibol ...A Your use of the word ORIGINAL in the sentence above is confusing. 9 Do you mean to imply that dibol was first done on RSTS?   A Or do you mean the version of DIBOL that was implemented on RSTS? & DIBOL was ORIGINALLY done on the PDP8.   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Jan 2002 22:58:19 -1000/ From: Jim Thomas <thomas@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu> X Subject: Re: BLISS pros and cons, was: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC2 Message-ID: <wwn0zrn9ec.fsf@atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu>  5 >>>>> "Ric" == Ric Werme <werme@mediaone.net> writes:   E  Ric> system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:     >> C has a macro capability?   K  Ric> To those of us who used MACRO-10, the answer, as you know, "There's a '  Ric> macro capability in ANSI C?"  :-)   I  Ric> I like C, I'd like it even better if the preprocessor did something   Ric> useful....  G Barely possible :-(  One of the most useful things (IMHO) was IF1/IF2 . K There's no meaning for that in a preprocessor :-(  It would be nice to have  IRP and IRPC though :-)    Nothead    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:57:46 GMT * From: John K <johnk50@blazing.hotmail.com>8 Subject: Re: Can Exabyte 8200s and 8505s exchange media?5 Message-ID: <Xns918E1405DAA0A9284HDPOET@24.9.139.141>   E On 03 Jan 2002, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> F decided that microwaving his hard drive would be a really bad idea and) posted this news:3c34cc2b$1@news.si.com:    G > I am trying to write a tape on an Exabyte 8505 (aka TZ15) that can be H > read by an Exabyte 8200.  I'm using OpenVMS VAX 7.2.  Can it be done? F > So far my experiments have not panned out.  Neither the /DENSITY norH > the /MEDIA_FORMAT qualifiers on the INITIALIZE and MOUNT commands haveH > had any effect.  I also wrote a tape on the 8200 and the 8505 couldn't$ > read it.  Suggestions are welcome. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >  >     K The 8505XL and 8505 support read/write for the 8500c, 8500, 8200c & 8200.   A The 8200 cannot read anything other than an 8200 format period.     H The 8200 writes using a single data track, while the 85XX units use two 0 data tracks.  The 8200 data is not compressed.      L We wrestled with this a while back (Ages ago...) using Exabytes and this is L what we had to do to make it work.  First initialize the tapes you're going I to use on the 8200.  Then you can use them on the 85XX as long as you do  K not initialize them.  If you do, the 8200 won't be able to read them.  The  H 85XX tape unit can read the 8200 tape header correctly and will use the H 8200 format for any data written to it.  It automatically writes to the J tape using the format that it senses.  If your 85XX tape unit cannot read H the 8200 tapes now, the most probable issues are that the unit may have H 8200 mode disabled in the unit configuration (Unlikely but possible), a 3 firmware issue, or you have an alignment problem.  r   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:56:48 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>; Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both wayst. Message-ID: <AIYZ7.14290$Sf2.129276@rwcrnsc52>  6 > In article <3C376882.A3FCCB9F@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>,# > toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl says...d > > Wow wrote: > >r > > > Back in middle 90s...o@ > > > Intel was beating the drums saying "RISCs will be crushed,* > > > resistance is futile, blah, blah..."* > > > How the tables turned.... Oh well... > >t? > > Not at all.  Now we know *how* the "RISCs will be crushed".  > >o< > > The difficult part is to predict which one will be next. >o( > Ok, which one is next, oh seer of all?  L To be a Successful Seer, one must wear an Armani Suit, have  VP title, spendK more time selling overpriced advice to clients than to conducting strategiceI analysis and technical assessment, and be good at dreaming up probabilityp factors.  K It also helps to have a Brand Name, even if you established same by being a  Dot Com Bomb cheerleader.i  J That said, the future of computer architectures remains both uncertain and extremely interesting!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:16:24 GMTl* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>F Subject: Re: Compaq's Board of Directors & their value to shareholders@ Message-ID: <cRSZ7.19727$wa.1521100@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message & news:nGvZ7.9471$MK.148242@rwcrnsc54... >R< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C362B91.6EFCF1F1@videotron.ca...   ...M  H > > Even the most rebel of board members at HP votes "YES" to the merger evenI > > though he opposed it and will vote NO when the time comes to vote hisn	 > shares.s > J > The Board member in question should be ousted. If he opposed the merger,K > then voted in favor of the merger, he has absolutely no business speaking-L > out against the merger now. Nor does he have any business remaining on theI > Board since he obviously didn't vote his conscience in the first place.c ThisB > behavior reflects an appalling lack of fiduicary responsibility.  J Why is it that people feel qualified to offer such opinions when they haveI not bothered to acquaint themselves with the circumstances, despite amplee4 opportunity to do so from easily-accessible sources?  L Hewlett voted for the merger because it was clearly going to go forward evenE if he voted against it - but would then (because of the BoD's lack ofnL unanimity) have had to go through renegotiation which seemed likely to raiseF the price HP would have to pay.  He conferred with HP's counsel beforeK voting and was assured that he would be free to vote his shares later as he.K saw fit, and told the BoD as he voted that if he had to vote them that day,v& he would vote them against the merger.  J He thus acted in the interest of the company (and its shareholders) by  a)J advising it of his reservations but then  b) avoiding a situation in whichL the same outcome would occur but costs would have been higher.  Voting one'sF conscience when doing so will only make things worse is self-indulgentC rather than responsible, but subsequently using different means (byaI fomenting shareholder opposition) to accomplish what one's vote could noto* affect is both responsible and reasonable.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:26:55 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>F Subject: Re: Compaq's Board of Directors & their value to shareholdersB Message-ID: <3%SZ7.548703$8q.44560905@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageh6 news:HuLZ7.2246$864.38002@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C37835F.3C05B4CF@videotron.ca...   ...s  J > > But if I were a board member, after the failure of the merger, I would askaK > > Curly "where is that 180 turnaround promise you had made ? How come youm > killedF > > Alpha before the merger with HP was a signed sealed and delivered. You've > leftH > > Compaq stripped of its enterprise chip and left without it unix, and	 > greatly L > > hurt VMS, AND you didn't even spend any time fixing the PC business. OUT	 > YOU GO.  >iL > Well, that sorta kinda is what happened to Eckhard Pfeiffer, isn't it? ;-}   Not really..  L Pfeiffer was an Alpha booster, even including VMS in his enthusiasm.  And heL also devoted a lot of effort to fixing the problems of the PC business.  WhyH the BoD gave him the boot only 10 months after the acquisition (a periodL full of turbulence from said acquisition) but has now given Curly over threeJ times as long (despite continuing disasters in the PC space *plus* neglectK of the enterprise space - and without the excuse of the acquisition) is not  at all obvious.e   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2002 05:59:00 -0800r* From: cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)> Subject: Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw?= Message-ID: <139d5a58.0201060559.40212572@posting.google.com>p  2 This really should be simple, but my vms is fuzzy.4 I have an indexed file that I am porting to PC-land.= All I want to do is dump the file, so off I go to convert to o; sequential format.  But, the convert yields unprikw errors.    What are these?e   chgx   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2002 08:25:25 -0600n- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) B Subject: Re: Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw?3 Message-ID: <+2nQqjqN4rHs@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  j In article <139d5a58.0201060559.40212572@posting.google.com>, cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) writes:4 > This really should be simple, but my vms is fuzzy.6 > I have an indexed file that I am porting to PC-land.? > All I want to do is dump the file, so off I go to convert to -= > sequential format.  But, the convert yields unprikw errors.e  9 Try the command HELP/MESSAGE after receiving the failure.t  ' You can also try HELP/MESSAGE UNPRIKW .e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:57:53 +0100a1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>wB Subject: Re: Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw?5 Message-ID: <3C3865F1.DC39806C@swissonline.delete.ch><   Charles Gilley wrote:  > 4 > This really should be simple, but my vms is fuzzy.6 > I have an indexed file that I am porting to PC-land.> > All I want to do is dump the file, so off I go to convert to= > sequential format.  But, the convert yields unprikw errors.I >  > What are these?t >  > chgS  E Why don't you just use TYPE/OUTPUT=FLATFILE.DAT  INDEXED_FILE.DAT and  copy FLATFILE.DAT to your PC ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:50:50 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) B Subject: Re: Converting indexed file to sequential yields unprikw?0 Message-ID: <00A07A28.77C0A54E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <139d5a58.0201060559.40212572@posting.google.com>, cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) writes:3 >This really should be simple, but my vms is fuzzy.r5 >I have an indexed file that I am porting to PC-land. > >All I want to do is dump the file, so off I go to convert to < >sequential format.  But, the convert yields unprikw errors. >  >What are these? >I >chg    =  UNPRIKW,  unrecognized primary keyword in statement 'number'c            'reference-text'p  "   Facility:     FDL, FDL Utilities  )   Explanation:  A keyword was misspelled.p  5   User Action:  Correct the spelling in the FDL file.a6                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    D --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:06:16 +0100,/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>h2 Subject: Re: DIBOL better than Cobol, C anyday ...4 Message-ID: <VA.0000050f.4d30515d@bluewin.delete.ch>  B In article <d7791aa1.0201051947.774c0ec0@posting.google.com>, Bob  Ceculski wrote:    [snip]  5 > Synergex Connects Dibol Users With New Technologiesi  @ If they would let me into their web site without registering and@ logging on to get information, I might be more inclined to learn about it...    [snip]     ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandb   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:35:14 -0500  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>' Subject: Re: Disk problem on DS20/KZPACh6 Message-ID: <1020106122315.56656A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  % On 5 Jan 2002, Malcolm Dunnett wrote:s  5 > In article <3C37243D.B879292F@clarityconnect.com>,  8 >    "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes: > D > > Is the CD an IDE based one?  If so can you try a SCSI based one? > > < >    The CD is a SCSI CD ( on it's own controller ). I don't> > think it's giving me any problems - I can boot from it, load: > firmware updates, etc with no strange events. The system; > image I tried to restore was actually not from the CD butr  > from a backup saveset on tape. > = >    I tried taking an already built system disk from another = > system and connected it to the KZPAC ( configured as a JBODd  : Sorry to jump in with no useful information, but what does? "JBOD" mean?  I've seen it used lots of times and from context,n= I guess it means something like "Just a Bunch Of Disks", i.e.a< no RAID, striping, shadowing, etc...  (Reminds my of POTS, a< mysterious Telco acronym for "Plain Old Telephone Service".)  9 > unit ). I was able to read that disk OK, but copying it-= > to the raidset causes the same sort of verification errors.S; > It seems the problem is related to writes on the SCSI buss7 > connected to the KZPAC ( this would make sense if the 6 > widget on the SCSI bus is at fault but only fails in > one direction )  n  = Is the SCSI termination okay?  I once encountered a site withE; an HSZ70 with tri-link connectors at the HSZ's...  They hadE= the "SCSI IN" cable connected to one side of the tri-link and 9 a terminator on the other side, and none of the hold-downr< screws were tight.  There were mysterious & strange problems: that went away when I hand-tightened all the thumb-screws.  ? IIRC, the tri-links were fairly tightly connected to the HSZ's,o> and the cables were fairly tightly connected to the tri-links,/ but the terminators were very loose and wobbly.-  > (I don't know why they had tri-links when the SCSI connections: were simple point-to-point to the controllers, that is one? HSZ per controller port.  Maybe they were planning for eventualn> expansion, or maybe the HSZ70's don't do internal termination,; so you need the tri-link so you can install the terminator.i> Or maybe the HSZ's came with a tri-link and terminator and the/ installer did this so they wouldn't lose them.)    >  > > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > >> o> > >>  I'm trying to set up a "new-to-me-but-used" DS20 system.3 > >> It has a KZPAC controller and two 4.5 GB disksn0 > >> (DS-RZ1CB-VW) - configured as a Raid 1 set. > >> -: > >>  The problem is that when I restore a system image to8 > >> these disks using BACKUP (booted from the VMS 7.2-27 > >> distribution CD) the verify pass reports thousandsEA > >> of verification errors. Examination of the files in questioni: > >> shows subtle corruptions ( eg. single bits changed in6 > >> seemingly random blocks ). The scary part is that5 > >> no hardware errors are logged anywhere along the@	 > >> way.t > >>  8 > >>   I've tried swapping disks and replacing the KZPAC5 > >> with no luck. I've examined the cables for loose'9 > >> connections and physical damage. The only thing thatu8 > >> it seems is left is the board that sits on the side* > >> of the storageworks rack ( it appears8 > >> to be a SCSI converter - SE FW to SE UW perhaps? ). > >>  8 > >>   Anyone else had trouble with this widget? Does it: > >> seem like the likely culprit or are there some others: > >> things I should be looking for? ( The only other time< > >> I've seen something like this was about 20 years ago on8 > >> a VAX 11/780 with a bad memory controller. I've run6 > >> memexer on the DS20 console though and it doesn't9 > >> show anything suspicious ). The system appears solidt7 > >> other than this disk problem ( no crashes or other( > >> "funny" behaviour ).  > >> OR > >> =============================================================================G > >> Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett J > >>                                                      Host: mala.bc.caM > >> Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)740-6297  > >  > > -- DH > > Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY4 > > 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan2 > > 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so0 > > 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               - >  >    -- I John Santosn Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:39:02 GMTh* From: John K <johnk50@blazing.hotmail.com>* Subject: Re: EISA conf util for download ?4 Message-ID: <Xns918E6ADF41EB9284HDPOET@24.9.139.141>  J On 03 Jan 2002, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> decided that microwaving : his hard drive would be a really bad idea and posted this  news:3C3475BB.A2B0D51F@aaa.com:.   > Hi.i1 > Anybody knowing if the "Eisa Config Utility" isn0 > available for download ? My DEC 2000 model 300# > sometimes says it's needing it...  >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm    E No it's not available for download because of some ancient licensing "H agreement.  It can still be purchased for a niminal sum.  Or if you ask 	 nicely...v     Remove the obvious to reply.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:53:20 GMTu* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>7 Subject: Re: Hey Intel, VMS is your ticket to high end!oB Message-ID: <QnTZ7.368275$C8.26751654@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageo' news:JMLZ7.14053$MK.220995@rwcrnsc54...C >E< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C378183.5324E959@videotron.ca...   ...2  L > > I doubt that in the short/medium term, IA64 will generate any volumes to > makeK > > it profitable for Intel and I suspect that the 8086 will continue to be. > kindI > > of the wintel servers, especially since it will cost less and perform  > better& > > and will have more software on it. >.L > Within about a year, McKinley could well be generating positive cash flow.  L Which is not net profit.  It's entirely possible that IA64 will *never* evenH come close to paying for the $billions already sunk in its development -A which will make it difficult for Intel to justify pricing it low.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:55:49 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>e: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC/ Message-ID: <u3gss5eorfase2@corp.supernews.com>i  ; In comp.os.vms Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:a :>    3) rename/log t.t t.w.t8P :>    %RENAME-I-RENAMED, USER1:[KOEHLER]t.t;1 renamed to USER1:[KOEHLER]t^.w.t;1K :>    ^ is the escape character which the file system uses to show that thegH :>    first . is not the name.extension separator, but you don't have to5 :>    enter it when you're handling the file by name.   G : Strike three.  There's this random ^ character inserted in the outputt : name.i   What *is* the ^ doing there?   --   -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:30:07 -0500 From: "JD" <dyson@jdyson.com> : Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC4 Message-ID: <WJ%Z7.1023$Pe5.182304@news1.iquest.net>  U "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message news:WmRZ7.9492$_02.1089146@news.xtra.co.nz...t > * > <robert@bonomi.invalid> wrote in message4 > news:z4QZ7.679$Kf.12054@ord-read.news.verio.net...L > > In article <fDNZ7.9386$_02.1078293@news.xtra.co.nz>, AG <ang@xtra.co.nz> > wrote: > > > I > > >Of course, I know there are work-arounds (and I use some), but those- > > >work-arounds K > > >are simply trying to implement that semantics in a bit of a roundaboutn > way.H > > >For example, the need to write a (even small) script means that the > > >functionality *is*w  > > >needed but *is* lacking ... > >C > >oN > > Beg to differ.  If functionality is 'lacking', that means that you *can't* > > do the desired thing.. > C > Beg to differ. When was the last time you ran the Turing machine?  >eA Oh come on!!!   You are reducing the argument to the absurd.   It A is easy to write the shell loop with basename.   A Turing machinel" implementation would be difficult.  < The inconsistant semantics of DCL are much trickier than the@ consistant shell expansion.   The only nit in shell expansion is? the arglist size, and in those cases, xargs is your friend (butr not a very sociable one.)a   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:18:36 -0600iC From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.signaltreesolutions.com>v: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC= Message-ID: <3C3894FC.9020307@nospam.signaltreesolutions.com>n   Michael Zarlenga wrote:m  = > In comp.os.vms Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:0 > :>    3) rename/log t.t t.w.tBR > :>    %RENAME-I-RENAMED, USER1:[KOEHLER]t.t;1 renamed to USER1:[KOEHLER]t^.w.t;1M > :>    ^ is the escape character which the file system uses to show that thenJ > :>    first . is not the name.extension separator, but you don't have to7 > :>    enter it when you're handling the file by name." > I > : Strike three.  There's this random ^ character inserted in the outputo	 > : name.  >  > What *is* the ^ doing there?    H The ^ is hardly random. It's exactly where it belongs and its meaning isI well documented. See the OpenVMS Guide to Extended File Specifications ato  C <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6536/6536pro_index.html>h  1 and look for "circumflex character" in the index.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:03:38 -0700 (MST)" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>9 Subject: Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceedshG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0201061050020.16137-100000@athena.csdco.com>    John,   G There was an article up on Yahoo Friday in which the analyst upgraded QrG stock to a buy.  If the merger with HP fails, he presumed Q would leavenF the PC business and become a smaller, more profitable company.  I readF that as good news.  It's what people on this list have been saying for quite a while.  E The article is no longer there, however, there is an audio clip whicheI unfortunately omits the flat statement that Q would exit the PC game, butH9 nevertheless says a "much smaller and profitable Compaq".d    
 John Nebel  & On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, John McLean wrote:   >  >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:t > > I > > Odds are increasing that the merger will NOT succeed, so HP's allegedt$ > > "admission" is pretty much moot. >  > . > So where goeth Compaq after merger misfire ? >  > - considered opinions ?? > - ill-considered opinions ?? > - best rumours ??t > / > Has Capellas been cut off at the knee caps ??n >  >  > John >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:35:08 GMTs" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>& Subject: Re: MSCP serving 101 question2 Message-ID: <MDWZ7.4415$E82.12628@typhoon.bart.nl>  ? Setting the ALLCLASS parameter on a DSSI disk requires that you-B connect to the device (SET HOST/DUP). Next run the program (on the* "HSC" of the disk) to set/show parameters.H IIRC the allocation class value of a DSSI disk may differ from the value! of ALLOCLASS set on a VMS system.n   Hans  D David McKenzie <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote in message< news:1010161711.21118.0.nnrp-13.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk...) > Sorry I should have been more explicit.t >nG > I think of DSSI disks as a disk each with its own HSC. The allocationI class J > for each disk has to be set, I cant actually remember how to do this anyK > more. And then, here is the killer, for the host to MSCP serve a disk its J > allocation class has to be the same as the controller. Is this the case? >e > : > "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message- > news:4JAN02.16201830@feda01.fed.ornl.gov... @ > > "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@computershare.co.uk> wrote:G > > > do the allocation classes match on the disks and the controllers?t > >;B > > Er - doesn't the allocation class of the controller define the
 allocationI > > class of the disk?  In any case, I did find that the allocation classt for J > > 1 controller was 3 and for the other controller and the 3400 was 0.  I set F > > all to 3 and rebooted but the 4000-90 still doesn't see the 3400's disks.F > > I even stopped and restarted the CONFIGURE process on the 4000-90. > >eJ > > One change is that SHOW DEV $3$D/FULL on the 3400 now reports that theL > > disks are "served to cluster via MSCP Server" whereas before the changesE > > to the allocation class the comment was something like "served tou > cluster".t > > So that's an improvement.y > > # > > > are there any device clashes?6 > >4 > > No.o > >. > > Dave > >  > > >a> > > > "Dave Greenwood" <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote in message1 > > > news:3JAN02.18515549@feda01.fed.ornl.gov...iI > > > > There has got to be an obvious answer to this problem but I can'tc seet > it.  > > > >rH > > > > I'm trying to help some folks who had a system disk crash but no imagea@ > > > > backup.  The system that crashed is a MicroVAX 3400 with (apparently)G > > > > two DSSI controllers.  A second system (VAXstation 4000-90, VMS+
 > 5.5-2H4)D > > > > was configured as a boot server and the 3400 was booted as a > satellite.I > > > > The idea is to MSCP serve the 3400's disks and rebuild the systemb disk: > > > > from the 4000-90 using INIT and non-image backups. > > > >tJ > > > > The problem is that the 4000-90 is not seeing either of the 3400's > disksnL > > > > (one on each DSSI controller) - ie the disks don't show up with SHOW > DEVE > > > D.I > > > > The 3400 does see the 4000-90 disks in addition to its own.  I've-	 > checked-J > > > > MSCP_LOAD (1 on both systems) and MSCP_SERVE_ALL (1 on the 3400, 2 on > thenE > > > > 4000-90).  I've done SYSGEN AUTOCONFIGURE ALL on the 4000-90.e > > > >k1 > > > > What else should I be looing at or doing?t > > > >  > > > > Thanks,o > > > > Dave > > > > --------------A > > > > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVgI > > > > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak foro > myself > > >r > > >u >t >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:07:31 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)n4 Subject: Re: NAT: publishing the remote IP of router0 Message-ID: <00A07A1A.09643BFF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <3C37A2D0.B2870C9A@spacelots.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@spacelots.com> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >> lP >> OK, I have a lan connected to the internet with a NAT router. A vax can go toQ >> the router and extract  the IP address that the router has negotiated with theeP >> ISP so it knows what the internet IP address is used to reach my lan from the >> rest of the world.n >> PJ >> Various scripts on the cluster will want to know that address when theyH >> generate HTLM pages stored elsewhere to point to my hosts  (or do the6 >> negotiation of dynamic dns with a dyn dsn service). >>  O >> Any suggestion on how I should store that address ? If through a clusterwideUP >> logical name, any suggestions on its name ? (is there a standard for this ?). >  >This is what I do:i >aH >I have a program that logs into the router every 5 minutes and gets theC >current  IP address, I then update my dyn dns service with this IP)3 >address(using an old Pentium/166 running Linux).  o >oG >On the Alpha, I have Apache running using Virtual Hosts and IP addresswG >192.168.1.200 (internal to my network only)  I have port forwarding on H >the router for the appropriate ports and all point to the Alpha.  DoingC >it this way, I never have to really know what that IP address is.   >s >http://www.spacelots.com5 >http://www.firstdbasource.com e >7F >are both "virutal hosts" on the same box using a dynamic dns providerE >www.zoneedit.com  -- very easy to configure "A" records, MX records,f@ >etc...(free for up to 5 domain names and up to ~1M DNS queries) >nD >I have a variation of the perl app that updates the dynamic dns forD >OpenVMS Perl, but have yet to implement it.  I am doing all of thisD >until I can afford to get a real T1 or T3. Until then, this is good >enough. >--  >u	 >Regards,D >  >Michael AustinZ8 >First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com >President/Sr. DBA Consultantn >704-947-1089 (Office) >704-236-4377 (Mobile) >r  E I'd use SNMP if the router is capable of responding.  I don't need toeD because I have static IP addresses but if I didn't I'd use something4 akin to the following (this is for a Netopia router)   $ PIPE -E   SNMP_REQUEST 192.168.10.1 public get 1.3.6.1.2.1.4.21.1.7.0.0.0.0 -d | SYMBOL/SET ROUTER_IPF $ ROUTER_IP == "''F$extract(F$locate("= ",ROUTER_IP)+2,15,ROUTER_IP)'"    F You can substitute SYMBOL with one of the PIPE symbol setting hacks or" you can get SYMBOL and install it.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr            wJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:33:36 -0800* From: "Dave Peterson" <dave@interzone.com> Subject: Need Financial Help?n3 Message-ID: <748761-2200211703336922@interzone.com>-  ) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8r, Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"        Need Help? t Dear Friend,HWe are in tough times. The economy will probably not recover till lateOctober this year and many have lost their jobs. That's the frivolity of bankingyour future on Normal Income. I have been lucky to keep my job but even luckier than that, I have chancedupon a way to build a substantial Residual Income to safeguard my future. Residual Income is the KEY to your fortune! 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 <p>&nbsp;</p>i   </body>n   </html>h  + ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8--e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:35:13 +0100-1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>0$ Subject: OT: Phone charges in Europe5 Message-ID: <3C383671.95FB814B@swissonline.delete.ch>j   Paul Sture wrote:v ...e > G > > My above mentioned mobile (German E-Plus) doesn't work in the UK atlC > > all. Doesn't bother me much, I just use BT land when I'm there.s > F > Initially my Swiss mobile didn't work in the UK, so I tried buying aH > pay-as-you-go for UK use. I couldn't find one which suited my purposesH > (I did buy one, but once I realised what ancient technology it was forF > the price and read the Terms and Conditions of use, it went straight > back to the shop). >   F I've simply got international roaming on my Swisscom phone.  I have toC select a network wherever I am but it seems to work fine in the UK, $ Singapore, Australia, Norway (IIRC).  A Doesn't work in the US though.  I wonder why they chose differentsH frequencies to the rest of the world ? This has caused multi-band phonesH - specifically to cater for the USA - and of course the cost is borne by the customer.  :-(     John   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jan 2002 09:39:50 GMT - From: Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu>n% Subject: Re: RRD43 and Kodak CD-RW ??H, Message-ID: <a19616$nvs$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  ' Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:1 > Hi.0= > I'm having trouble mounting a Kodak CD-RW disk on my RRD43.h: > I'v no problem at all with ordinary CD-R's burned on the9 > same "HP CD-writer cd4e series" drive, also from Kodak.h  = > I'd just like to get verifyed if (or that) CD-RW's can't bee > read on the RRD43 drive.  E Support for reading CD-RW disks in CD-Rom drives usually did not showiD up until the 24X drives.  That is somewhat later and faster than theE RRD43 drive mechanism.  I forget which drive you would have to use ineC the RRD series to be able to read CD-RW disks, but it will not workb( in the RRD43 drive with any reliability.   Joe Heimann    heimann@ecs.umass.edut   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:26:33 -05000 From: "Rob L Lyons" <rob.lyons@resilientsys.com> Subject: Re: VAX in a VT-103?f+ Message-ID: <a18u4o$9ou$1@bob.news.rcn.net>i  E > Anyone ever try putting a VAX in a VT-103 and boot something on it?a  9 I've put an 11/53 in one but never tried a VAX processor. ; The power supply was near max with a serial line, the PDP11:8 processor and an RQDX3 storage controller.   I think the7 VAX processor load combined with the storage controller.3 would have eventually cook the supply and the heftyt; supplies in the VT103 were harder to find so we didn't try.S1 LDP made some interesting products in those days.f   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:43:15 GMTD From: joell@mindspring.com# Subject: Re: VMS and VAX clusteringt. Message-ID: <3c386f46.1497146@news.alltel.net>  E The company I work for uses a VMS cluster to run its core applicationdD system. There are up to 4 levels of redundancy on every functions ofF the cluster, disk drives, network and intercluster traffic. I can lose? an entire system and the users almost don't even notice. If themC application is written properly to take advantage of clustering, it ! will work like it is never down. l  A This company used to operate the cluster across a distance on 180?= miles, each location could run the application with full datas+ redundancy. Try that with any Unix cluster!g    A On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:44:31 GMT, cpl2c@yahoo.com (Collin) wrote::  B >Could anyone please explain how VAX clustering works, and how VMS) >handles clustering? Thanks in advance...  >s >Collinc   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:23:39 +0100d/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>tL Subject: Re: VMS as a career move ( was HP admits it will kill VMS if merger4 Message-ID: <VA.0000050e.4d094c82@bluewin.delete.ch>  B In article <OF102AFA7E.50069313-ON00256B35.00537CB6@btyp>,  wrote:J > If that's the case then it's only BT [and presumably Cellnet is what youL > were looking at] that does that, and as far as I know they aren't SUPPOSED > to be doing so.c > J > All the other mobile operators don't have minimum charges, and as I onlyL > use my mobile for SMS and incoming calls [as a rule, emergencies excepted]) > a UKP10 phone card will last me months.  >  Thanks for the info :-)e ___"
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:23:39 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>bL Subject: Re: VMS as a career move ( was HP admits it will kill VMS if merger4 Message-ID: <VA.0000050d.4d094c78@bluewin.delete.ch>  L In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-8EdwQ7cETCyb@localhost>, Dave Weatherall wrote:H > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:06:52, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> > wrote: > L > > In article <3C302F81.B69D47E8@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean wrote: > > > Rob Young wrote: > > > > F > > > >  Not so... a big niche that wasn't even around then has sprungI > > > >  up, cellular phone billing.  Recent new niche is cell phone text0L > > > >  messaging and that is huge in Europe.  270 billion messages sent inN > > > >  2001.  Americans are trailing in that usage but soon we start playingK > > > >  with text next year.  Funny, Americans big on cheap Internet usage J > > > >  and Europeans on the cutting edge of peer to peer text messaging.; > > > >  Maybe because they have expensive Internet access?  > > > >  > > > 9 > > > Come on guys, don't suppose, ask someone in Europe.i > > > J > > > No internet is not expensive here.  I pay about USD 55 per month for& > > > cable access (often at 800 Kbs). > > >NN > > With respect John, you obviously haven't dealt with Brtitsh Telecom (BT). % > > We are lucky here in Switzerland.  > > N > > The phone and internet services here knock the cr*p out of what I came to L > > expect in the UK. UK - 1995, I climbed onto Compuserve and in the first G > > month it cost me over 100 UKP (then USD ~165) in phone bills alone >N > > (dropped connections and busy lines galore, and BT were charging 10 pence N > > a shot for an engaged tone), plus the Compuserve connection fee. Needless N > > to say, I found ways to reduce that drastically, but Joe and Jane Average G > > definitely didn't. I believe our German friends also suffered from h= > > extortionate practices at the hands of Deutsche Telekomm.  > > O > > On the mobile front, with a view to treating a nephew in the UK, I visited wL > > the British Telecom site yesterday, and found that pay as you go phones M > > are subject to a minimum charge of 10UKP per 30 days. OTOH, mine happily eL > > chirps on with something like 35 USD every six months, and it does SMS, 0 > > can send email, and works internationally... > > ___  > > Paul Sture > > Switzerland  >  > PaulF >          I'm not an expert on mobile phones (I have one that spends D > most of its life switched off) but to be fair to poor old BT, the F > whole of the UK mobile market (IIRC) was criticised for its pricing G > practices, particularly international roaming, in a recent report. I 0G > can't remember whose, I caught it on BBC News while on my VMS-career o) > related business in the UK in November)e >pO Don't forget that "poor old BT" set the standard by which the others competed,   right from the start.   E BT has been the source of much pain to me over many years, including nF substantial loss of income and opportunities on more than a couple of E occasions. Their attitude was very much "How dare you question us? WemF are BT and you can't afford the lawyers we can." Even in spite of self  admitted administrative cockups.  ! I see the BT tradition continues:i  4 From http://www.btopenwoe.co.uk/read_news.asp?id=126  < "Added By: News - Date: 23 December 2001 - View/Add Comments  F According to ADSLGuide, there are some problems with users who wish to? cancel ADSL services after the 12 month minimum contract terms.7  G It would seem someone is failing to process the requests correctly, and E users then find themselves without BT Openworld service, and in caseseE where they're changing ISP, also without the new ISP service either."f  2 And http://www.btopenwoe.co.uk/read_woe.asp?id=249  D The writer clearly states that the helpline and technical staff were= very friendly and helpful, but were defeated by "The System":O  E "Although I have no alternative I have tried to get disconnected. ThetI "Customer Service" (never was there a more badly chosen name) do not give G out their number. Enquiries to the Billing section are referred back towC the help desk. The system is impenetrable as far as I am concerned.    What does one do?"       A very real cry of despair.n  F > My above mentioned mobile (German E-Plus) doesn't work in the UK at A > all. Doesn't bother me much, I just use BT land when I'm there.>  E Initially my Swiss mobile didn't work in the UK, so I tried buying a tF pay-as-you-go for UK use. I couldn't find one which suited my purposesF (I did buy one, but once I realised what ancient technology it was forD the price and read the Terms and Conditions of use, it went straight back to the shop).   > As forH > Internet costs in Germany, yes after the 23pf unlimited local call wasG > abolished, costs went up for heavy users. In the days of Fidonet and nH > 300/1200 and then 2400 baud, the 23pf felt quite cheap...Switching to H > Compuserve did put the phone bill up. We average about 120Dm (Euro 60)F > a month now and that doesn't seem much in comparison top some of my 
 > colleagues.i  E I'm on ISDN here and unless I'm doing heavy downloads during weekdayshA often get away with the equivalent of 40 or 50 Euro a month. WithwC memories of those BT bills, I deliberately schedule large downloads D to take advantage of the "Moonlight surf" or weekend rates (NovemberF was 62 Euro, when my ISDN router was off for repair and it was back toD the modem). I also save a lot by downloading newsgroups in batch and working on them offline. ___w
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:43:46 -0000f/ From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>n, Subject: Re: Why VMS is better than Unix .../ Message-ID: <u3gvm25a7cmaa4@corp.supernews.com>   ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:hD : But the real difference is the "Unix mindset" versus the classicalA : DEC software engineering mindset. DEC software engineers minded E : the details. The Unix mindset is "good enough is good enough". (AndeL : I say this as an engineer who currently works the Unix side of the street,C : but spent 24 years working for DEC.) That's how you end up with a C : dozen incompatible versions of grep/regular-expression parsing intC : Unix/perl/awk/vi/emacs. If a DEC guy did it, it would have been ah  : Lack of central control is the reason you have differences5 among various Unixes, not good enough is good enough.e   IMO, of course.   9 If any company could release a VMS o/s, do you think that , maybe the qualifiers for $search might vary?   -- a -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  ! Date: Sun, 06 Jan 02 10:06:11 GMTE From: jmfbahciv@aol.comtY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was Re: The demise    of comt+ Message-ID: <a19f1o$m7c$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   ' In article <3C3745DE.8FF49129@ev1.net>,C-    Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:a >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:: >> e* >> In article <3C3579F0.DD0F6A5C@ev1.net>,0 >>    Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote: >> >Sander Vesik wrote:- >> >>o< >> >> In comp.arch Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote:3 >> >> > (alleged to Confuzius, though I doubt that)  >> >>a >> >> > Beware of: >> >>oF >> >> > * People who think that having played computer games to excess >> qualifies >> >> > as "computer expert".  >> >> G >> >> * People who think that recompiling the Linux kernel N number of n times=) >> >> qualifies them as "computer expert"t >> >>/B >> >* People who think they are computer experts because they know; >> >how to print Christmas cards on their inkjet printer...h >> >6 >> Ooooooooooooo....boy did you just hit a hot button. >>  A >I know... I just threw that in for the benefit of your nephew...t >e8 ROTFL.  It's really not his fault; it's the fault of all< the non-experts telling him he knows everything because they don't know anything.    ; I was informed just the other day that he could explain the < anomolies that I observed when I compared having a cable box= to not having a cable box.  This was kid who had to get a new @ laptop because his old computer didn't have any more disk space.  ? hmmm...I wonder if that reason would have worked when we wantede
 more systems?d   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:03:54 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>tB Subject: Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha* Message-ID: <3C385011.4090205@qsl.network>   Ryan Moore wrote:e  I > Well, the 7.2 documention that talks about MOP loading is in the SystemmK > Manager's Manual.  For 7.2, it is chapter 22.  Pay attention to the LANCP=F > commands like ADD NODE, etc.  The boot file should be something likeL > VXTLDR.SYS.  You'll need to know the hardware address of the VXT, but that& > shouldnt' be hard to get figure out. > J > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6017/6017pro_091.html#6017lan > I > The bad news is that I believe an Infoserver is *required* to run a VXTsF > terminal.  The InfoServer is what serves the I/O to the VXT after itM > boots.  The Alpha can only send the VXT bootloader over MOP, it can't serverL > the rest of the files to the VXT as far as I know.  Without the InfoSever,  > I believe you are out of luck.    7 An Infoserver is not required for a VXT2000 X-Terminal."  E The VXT2000 can use an Infoserver as a load host, and also to hold a  H page file dedicated to the VXT2000.  Without the page file, the VXT2000 ' is limited to use it's internal memory.y  4 And as always, the more internal memory, the better.   -Johnd wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyt   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Jan 2002 11:00:55 -05001 From: "Matthew X. Economou" <xenophon@irtnog.org>iB Subject: Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha0 Message-ID: <w4osn9j8o5k.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>  & Thanks for the documentation pointers.  = >>>>> "Ryan" == Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> writes:r  D     Ryan> The bad news is that I believe an Infoserver is *required*E     Ryan> to run a VXT terminal....  Without the InfoSever, I believee     Ryan> you are out of luck.  E Yes, the installation script included with the VXT software kit seemskF to presume the existence of one.  I was hoping I could serve the filesC from the Alpha.  Do you know where I might be able to buy a surplusR InfoServer?!  E In searching around last night, I found a Tru64 distribution of a VXT1? 2.1 kit.  Maybe I'll be able to boot the VXT from my Linux filel server.F   Thanks for your help,s	 #\Matthewe   -- iF Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> - Unsafe at any clock speed!J "Little grey men are coming our way (tastes just like chicken, they say)."	  - Clutcht   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.010 ************************