0 INFO-VAX	Mon, 14 Jan 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 26      Contents:7 Re: "Instapoll" at www.compaqworkinggroup.org Not Found A Re: 17 years and still waiting for my first VMS crash (yawn!) ... A Re: 17 years and still waiting for my first VMS crash (yawn!) ... > RE: A quick question about where to look for VMS opportunities Re: Alpha Itanium Advertisment Re: Alpha Itanium Advertisment Basic setup of SAMBA.  Re: Basic setup of SAMBA.  Re: Basic setup of SAMBA. G Re: capitalization (was: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC) 3 Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal 3 Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal " Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business= Re: Compaq's Board of Directors & their value to shareholders & Re: CPQ Board Member Missing in Action& Re: Crispin's note on case sensitivity Re: DCL (F$GETQUI) Problem Re: DCL (F$GETQUI) Problem5 Error rates in VMS and layered products source code ? 9 Re: Error rates in VMS and layered products source code ? 9 Re: Error rates in VMS and layered products source code ? H Films and Books. [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ]F Films or books? [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans] Free insurance quotes! Re: FTP Success/Failure? Re: FTP Success/Failure? Re: FTP Success/Failure? Re: FTP Success/Failure?1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC  https client api Re: https client api Re: https client api Re: https client api Re: https client api& Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monster& Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monster& Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monster& Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monster ISO 9960 question (Joliet) Re: ISO 9960 question (Joliet)! Kenneth Lay off from Compaq board  Marx Re: Marx Re: Marx Re: Marx Re: Marx More info on Hp-Compaq merger ! Re: More info on Hp-Compaq merger $ Northernlight to close public access( Re: Northernlight to close public access( Re: Northernlight to close public access( Re: Northernlight to close public access( Re: Northernlight to close public access# Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation ' Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation  Re: RRD43 and Kodak CD-RW ?? Searching one VAX/11 Re: Selling VMS licenses Re: Selling VMS licensesO Re: Sv: Sv: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:  The dem O Re: Sv: Sv: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:  The dem / Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions / Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions / Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions / Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions " Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?( RE: VMS Marketing For the General Public Re: VMSBackup to unix ) Re: why case independence came into being ) Re: why case independence came into being ) Re: why case independence came into being ) Re: why case independence came into being ) Re: why case independence came into being  Re: xml and OpenVMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:55:53 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) @ Subject: Re: "Instapoll" at www.compaqworkinggroup.org Not Found7 Message-ID: <91967E325warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>   1 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in  ( <SPVg35RVmw2O@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  , >http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/index.cfm   Duh - Thanks Larry.    ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 08:12:44 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) J Subject: Re: 17 years and still waiting for my first VMS crash (yawn!) ...3 Message-ID: <R+VR2oL6jMrX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <3C3F6FAE.3B13B0D8@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: >   J > There were a number of stories like this when the big earthquake hit San3 > Francisco a few years ago (late 80's early 90's).   H    We had a colleague who's 11/750 went through an opening in the raisedD    floor nonstop.  The safety people woudn't let anyone in for a fewC    days, but when they got there, it was kind of lying at an angle,     still running just fine.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:29:37 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>J Subject: Re: 17 years and still waiting for my first VMS crash (yawn!) ...0 Message-ID: <3C430672.ACFAB67B@blueyonder.co.uk>   Paul Sture wrote:  > J > In article <3C3E80E3.B08625A9@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean wrote: > > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > > I > > > It been almost 17 years now I have been on VMS without an OS crash! L > > > Started out on a PDP 11/83 running RSTS/E briefly without a crash alsoI > > > then to Vax VMS 4.7 then to Vax VMS 6.0 then to Vax VMS 6.2 then to I > > > Alpha VMS 7.1 ... I dare anyone in windoze or unix or linux land to I > > > claim the same!  I think this once again proves what OS is the most K > > > reliable ... read this and weep windoze and unix users, oh, I forgot, ( > > > you already are weeping ... sorry! > > L > > Not quite Irish Railways because that was the same machine (or machines) > > for 17 years...  > > B > > I recall a year or two back hearing that Compaq had to teach a4 > > customer's system managers how to boot an Alpha. > > J > > The sys managers with the knowledge had gradually been replaced over aF > > period of time but since the Alphas didn't need rebooting, the newK > > people never had the experience.  I guess that nothing had been changed F > > so the new peope had to learn about boot flags, the system startup" > > sequence and things like that. > > E > I spotted an ad on www.jobserve.co.uk just after Christmas. It said E > something like "Unix guru sought to supervise a reboot of a VAX/VMS C > Alpha system tomorrow". [snigger - don't you just love agencies?] B > Just a day or less of short notice work for big bucks in London. > I > (Sorry UK readers, I didn't spot it soon enough, or I would have passed  > the info on.)   % I saw it too, yeah lots of notice :-)   H If I'd been based the other end of the M4 I might have applied. However,I this type of work does worry one somewhet. It might all be plain sailing, E or the system might be in a state where it's been running and fiddled G with for so long it won't reboot to the "working" state, which can only > be defined by the business users in normal working conditions.   regards     --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:36:02 +0100 7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com> G Subject: RE: A quick question about where to look for VMS opportunities O Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6BD1@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>    > Ken Farmer wrote:  > > , > > http://www.OpenVMS.org has a Jobs Forum. > > > Would it be possible to get together with Compaq and decide  > on a job forum> > that is unique, complete and global so that customers would  > need only look in 
 > one place ?  > > > Right now, Compaq is pushing monster.com for USA-only jobs, J > and you are pushing your own forum, and customers aren't told of either , > when then need  employees with VMS skills.  V Monster.com is site for global jobs. I live in the netherlands and tried to find a jobR via Compaq and I did find exectly the same jobs I have found on other dutch sites.  I Also on the www.openVMS.org site there are points to monsterboard ad's.      ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:45:55 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Alpha Itanium Advertisment = Message-ID: <niB08.29288$JF.268727@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C4266B4.A863F76A@videotron.ca... > Paul Repacholi wrote: I > > So that adds up to SUN, SGI/MIPS and Dell as the list who have dumped  > > the itanic so far. >  > G > Compaq also dropped Itanic when the project to port Tru64 to IA64 was  killed. 
 > :-) :-) ;-)   D And when the port of NSK to IA64 was killed about three months afterL Compaq's acquisition of Digital was consummated. Fortunately for all partiesJ concerned, the NSK port was pretty well along, and Intel designed hardware lockstepping support into IPF.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:49:55 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Alpha Itanium Advertisment = Message-ID: <7mB08.29297$JF.268612@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>   2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C426836.B215BB79@videotron.ca... > Larry Kilgallen wrote:K > > > So that adds up to SUN, SGI/MIPS and Dell as the list who have dumped  > > > the itanic so far. > F > > The number of major vendors still saying they will support ItaniumF > > is greater than the number who ever said they would support Alpha. > C > It also depends which ones stay with IA64.  If HP UX starts to go 	 downhill, J > then all that will be left will be Windows on IA64.  (VMS and Tandem areJ > inconsequential since with their low volumes, it would have been cheaper for 5 > Compaq to stick with the already developped Alpha).   I C'est vrai, at least in the short term. Near as I can figure, CPQ thought C that the incremental cost in developing EV8 and beyond could not be G justified by VMS and NSK run rates. Since a port of NSK to IPF was well H underway four years ago, reverting to Plan A was no big deal for PaulineJ Nist's people. The OpenVMSers have a more difficult job, but the port will' keep them occupied and off the streets.   D And Windows on IPF? When the heck is that gonna show up? Is Whistler7 whistling along, or is it whistling past the graveyard?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:39:24 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Basic setup of SAMBA.' Message-ID: <3C42A74C.FE23413D@aaa.com>    Hi. % To anyone that's using SAMBA onb VMS.   
 Environment :  - Samba 2.0.3. - VMS Alpha 7.3. - TCPIP 5.1 ECO3 - DEC 2000 model 300.  - Single PC Win-98 client.? - Both nodes connected to a "mini-hub". That's the whole "net". < - I'v installed and linked the SAMBA 2.0.3 kit. No problems.* - I'v done some initial setup of SMB.CONF. - PING/Telnet are working OK. ) - VMS host entered in hosts. and lmhosts.    Now, a few questions...   F When I run "testperm" on the VMS system to verify the setup, it says :F "WARNING: lock directory /samba_root/var/locks should have permissions 0755 for browsing to work"  What should I do to "fix" this ?  F A "> NET VIEW" from the client list the VMS server as an "Samba 2.0.3"  G A "> NET VIEW \\my_server_name" gives first an "Error 53, wrong network G password", then the second time a "Error 86, The server can't be find".   ; This is what is logged in the log files and on the console. ? There is a number of warnings/error. Any insight on any of this  are welcome.   Regards  Jan-Erik Sderholm.     ; On the console (when I try to browse the SAMBA server using  Windows explorer) :    $ 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-JAN-2002 09:19:07.74  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on OSSBY1> INTERnet ACP NOLISTEN Process creation success: Service - SMBD   $ 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-JAN-2002 09:19:12.72  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on OSSBY1F INTERnet ACP Error during process startup, Nolisten Service Disabled -	 SMBD Serv  er     $ 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-JAN-2002 09:19:12.73  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on OSSBY1$ INTERnet ACP Deactivate SMBD Server      The Client specific log :    [2002/01/14 09:05:03, 0]0 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]UID.C;1:(285)3   Warning: You appear to have a trapdoor gid system  [2002/01/14 09:05:08, 0]0 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]UID.C;1:(285)3   Warning: You appear to have a trapdoor gid system  ...  ...  ...    SAMBA_ROOT:[000000]LOG.SMB :   [2002/01/14 09:19:08, 0]3 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]SERVER.C;2:(701) 4   standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option [2002/01/14 09:19:09, 1]2 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.LIB]SYSTEM.C;1:(362)   WARNING: no chroot!      SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]LOG.SMB :    [2002/01/14 09:19:08, 1]3 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]SERVER.C;2:(638)    smbd version 2.0.3 started. %   Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1992-1998     " SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]NMBD_STARTUP.LOG :   
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY"))  $ arch = f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")& $ nmbd :== $samba_root:[bin.Alpha]nmbd& $ opt = f$trnlnm("SAMBA_NMBD_OPTIONS")
 $ nmbd "-d1"   $      SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]LOG.NMB :     [2002/01/14 08:45:32, 1]1 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.NMBD]NMBD.C;1:(672) +   Netbios nameserver version 2.0.3 started. %   Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994-1998  [2002/01/14 08:45:33, 0]1 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.NMBD]NMBD.C;1:(703) 4   standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option [2002/01/14 08:45:58, 0]5 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.VMS]VMS_SUP.C;134:(472) D   VMS-error 98962 deleting SAMBA_ROOT:[000000.VAR.LOCKS]BROWSE.DAT;* [2002/01/14 08:51:17, 0]7 DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.NMBD]NMBD_BECOME_LMB.C;1:  (406)    ***** H     Samba name server OSSBY1 is now a local master browser for workgroup	 OSSBY on   subnet 192.168.100.10       Set up of the TCPIP service :     $ tcpip sho service smbd/perm/fu   
 Service: SMBD '                                         G Port:              139     Protocol:  TCP,UDP         Address:  0.0.0.0 D Inactivity:          0     User_name: SYSTEM          Process:  SMBD Limit:             100   . File:         SAMBA_ROOT:[BIN]SMBD_STARTUP.COM Flags:        None    Socket Opts:  None0  Receive:            0     Send:               0   F Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO Addr.  File:        SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]SMBD_STARTUP.LOG    Security  Reject msg:  not defined   Accept host: 0.0.0.0   Accept netw: 0.0.0.0  $    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:00:15 -0700 ) From: "DigiDemon" <digidemon@hotmail.com> " Subject: Re: Basic setup of SAMBA., Message-ID: <a1uv8201c4l@enews2.newsguy.com>  J In article <3C42A74C.FE23413D@aaa.com>, "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:  7 Have you enabled plain text passwords on the Win98 box?    > Hi. ' > To anyone that's using SAMBA onb VMS.  >  > Environment :  > - Samba 2.0.3. > - VMS Alpha 7.3. > - TCPIP 5.1 ECO3 > - DEC 2000 model 300.  > - Single PC Win-98 client.G > - Both nodes connected to a "mini-hub". That's the whole "net". - I'v H > installed and linked the SAMBA 2.0.3 kit. No problems. - I'v done some: > initial setup of SMB.CONF. - PING/Telnet are working OK.+ > - VMS host entered in hosts. and lmhosts.  >  > Now, a few questions...  > H > When I run "testperm" on the VMS system to verify the setup, it says :H > "WARNING: lock directory /samba_root/var/locks should have permissions > 0755 for browsing to work"" > What should I do to "fix" this ? > H > A "> NET VIEW" from the client list the VMS server as an "Samba 2.0.3" > I > A "> NET VIEW \\my_server_name" gives first an "Error 53, wrong network I > password", then the second time a "Error 86, The server can't be find".  > H > This is what is logged in the log files and on the console. There is aC > number of warnings/error. Any insight on any of this are welcome.  > 	 > Regards  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  >  > E > On the console (when I try to browse the SAMBA server using Windows 
 > explorer) :  >  > $ G > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-JAN-2002 09:19:07.74  %%%%%%%%%%% Message from  > user INTERnet on OSSBY1 @ > INTERnet ACP NOLISTEN Process creation success: Service - SMBD >  > $XG > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-JAN-2002 09:19:12.72  %%%%%%%%%%% Message from  > user INTERnet on OSSBY1rH > INTERnet ACP Error during process startup, Nolisten Service Disabled - > SMBD Serv7 > er >  > $lG > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  14-JAN-2002 09:19:12.73  %%%%%%%%%%% Message fromw > user INTERnet on OSSBY1u% > INTERnet ACP Deactivate SMBD Server  >  >  > The Client specific log :  >  > [2002/01/14 09:05:03, 0]2 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]UID.C;1:(285)5 >   Warning: You appear to have a trapdoor gid systemt > [2002/01/14 09:05:08, 0]2 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]UID.C;1:(285)5 >   Warning: You appear to have a trapdoor gid systemf > ...u > ...  > ...p >  > SAMBA_ROOT:[000000]LOG.SMB : >  > [2002/01/14 09:19:08, 0]5 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]SERVER.C;2:(701)s6 >   standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option > [2002/01/14 09:19:09, 1]4 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.LIB]SYSTEM.C;1:(362) >   WARNING: no chroot!u >  >  > SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]LOG.SMB :n >  > [2002/01/14 09:19:08, 1]5 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.SMBD]SERVER.C;2:(638)r >   smbd version 2.0.3 started. ' >   Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1992-1998s >  > $ > SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]NMBD_STARTUP.LOG : >    > $ Set NoOn: > $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY")) $ arch = > f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") 0 > $ nmbd :== $samba_root:[bin.Alpha]nmbd $ opt =- > f$trnlnm("SAMBA_NMBD_OPTIONS") $ nmbd "-d1"  > $  >  >  > SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]LOG.NMB :w >  a > [2002/01/14 08:45:32, 1]3 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.NMBD]NMBD.C;1:(672)cG >   Netbios nameserver version 2.0.3 started. Copyright Andrew Tridgella
 >   1994-1998t > [2002/01/14 08:45:33, 0]3 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.NMBD]NMBD.C;1:(703)w6 >   standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option > [2002/01/14 08:45:58, 0]7 > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.VMS]VMS_SUP.C;134:(472)eF >   VMS-error 98962 deleting SAMBA_ROOT:[000000.VAR.LOCKS]BROWSE.DAT;* > [2002/01/14 08:51:17, 0]? > DSA1:[KITS.SAMBA-2_0_3.SOURCE.NMBD]NMBD_BECOME_LMB.C;1: (406)k	 >   *****pJ >     Samba name server OSSBY1 is now a local master browser for workgroup
 > OSSBY on > subnet 192.168.100.10  >    >    > Set up of the TCPIP service :i > " > $ tcpip sho service smbd/perm/fu >  - > Service: SMBDo) >                                        tI > Port:              139     Protocol:  TCP,UDP         Address:  0.0.0.0 F > Inactivity:          0     User_name: SYSTEM          Process:  SMBD > Limit:             100 >   C > File:         SAMBA_ROOT:[BIN]SMBD_STARTUP.COM Flags:        None  >  o > Socket Opts:  None2 >  Receive:            0     Send:               0 >  iH > Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO > Addr0 >  File:        SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]SMBD_STARTUP.LOG >  n
 > Security >  Reject msg:  not definedI >  Accept host: 0.0.0.0  >  Accept netw: 0.0.0.0  > $i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:26:11 +0100s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e" Subject: Re: Basic setup of SAMBA.' Message-ID: <3C4306A3.1D716B7E@aaa.com>e   DigiDemon wrote: > L > In article <3C42A74C.FE23413D@aaa.com>, "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> > wrote: > 9 > Have you enabled plain text passwords on the Win98 box?e >   ) Just did that with the supplied REG file.a
 No change.  + I'v also set my WIN-98 password the same as-+ the one I use (for my personal account with-/ the same username) on VMS. But I don't see whatr difference that could make.a  0 I'v also seen someting about the "guest account"/ param in teh SMB.CONF. But I'm not sure if it's3 important on VMS.@  	 Jan-Erik.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:04:56 GMTi> From: "Peter L. Montgomery" <Peter-Lawrence.Montgomery@cwi.nl>P Subject: Re: capitalization (was: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC) Message-ID: <Gpx7w8.Cy2@cwi.nl>o  N In article <STv08.129$na5.11407@news.xtra.co.nz> "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> writes:6 >"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message, >news:a1t4o6$vsq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com... >b >>G >> That is the point. English is a case-sensitive language. "Danish" isaH >> a language. "danish" is a pastry. "Polish" is a nationality. "polish"F >> is how you get silverware clean. "Turkey" is a country. "turkey" is >> a bird", and so on. >> > H >Well, no. In fact it isn't (note that you're using proper names again).D >Except for the very few exceptions the case doesn't matter. Even inI >those few exceptions it will take some special effort to make a sentencepJ >which is truly ambiguous (eg - it cannot be resolved or is really hard to >resolve from the context).i  +     Does Detroit have more Lions or Tigers? L Does Detroit have more lions or tigers?                (sports' teams names)  K     She requested an apple.  She requested an Apple .  (fruit or computer?)l  2     Apple is cutting jobs.  Apple is cutting Jobs.8 (Reducing staff or critiquing its executive Steve Jobs?)  6     The chemist ordered CO.  The chemist ordered Co.   (Carbon monoxide or Cobalt)   -     Are the bushes gone from the white house?o) Are the bushes gone from the White House?a) Are the Bushes gone from the White House?/  7     Now back to our regularly scheduled DEC and Compaq.t --  + We are fortunate that U.S. Social Security .' funds were not invested in Enron stock.eH         Peter-Lawrence.Montgomery@cwi.nl    Home: San Rafael, California"         Microsoft Research and CWI   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:17:47 -0700h+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>.< Subject: Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal' Message-ID: <3C4304AB.3010901@mmaz.com>7  > "Usenet Administration" <admin@ATEZTOD.AC.KR> wrote in message/ news:fgghpo7q5rfa7jmlyycqq1ygyujehcb@4ax.com...s5  > As many of you are aware, this newsgroup is slated 3  > for removal on January 31st, 2002.  The vote was 7  > taken at the end of last year, and there was a large,1  > marjority who wants to see this group removed.u  >D  > If you are a regular reader, you need to make other arrangements.  I You're welcome to visit www.openvms.org and www.tru64.org for your Compaq & enterprise OS and product discussions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:17:30 -0700s+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>r< Subject: Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal' Message-ID: <3C43049A.3090800@mmaz.com>k  & --------------0602010909020702070104009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitt   Terry C. Shannon wrote:b  ? >"Usenet Administration" <admin@ATEZTOD.AC.KR> wrote in messageh0 >news:fgghpo7q5rfa7jmlyycqq1ygyujehcb@4ax.com... > 4 >>As many of you are aware, this newsgroup is slated2 >>for removal on January 31st, 2002.  The vote was6 >>taken at the end of last year, and there was a large0 >>marjority who wants to see this group removed. >>C >>If you are a regular reader, you need to make other arrangements.  >> >aJ >You're welcome to visit www.openvms.org and www.tru64.org for your Compaq' >enterprise OS and product discussions.- >-E Though I appreciate the efforts to support an alternative, I receive eE about 3000 messages a week from various news groups and subscription bC lists that are auto-forwarded and categorized through e-mail.  For 1G myself, and I find a lot of others feel the same way, web based forums eG are slow, cumbersome, and require me to make the effort to 'fetch' the  ; contents for review rather than having them at my disposal.f  I If in fact the news group is going away, my request would be that either oG Mark Berryman of SAIC continue supporting the group even if it is only cI e-mail based relay or that you modify your web based forums to allow for  C bi-directional e-mail traffic of individual postings (not digests).    Regards,   Barry Treahy     >b >I >v >n   -- t  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028p      & --------------060201090902070207010400) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit5   <html> <head> </head>n <body> Terry C. Shannon wrote:<br>jS <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:L4m08.26078$JF.202537@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net">s0  <pre wrap="">"Usenet Administration" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:admin@ATEZTOD.AC.KR">&lt;admin@ATEZTOD.AC.KR&gt;</a> wrote in message<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:fgghpo7q5rfa7jmlyycqq1ygyujehcb@4ax.com">news:fgghpo7q5rfa7jmlyycqq1ygyujehcb@4ax.com</a>...<br></pre>   <blockquote type="cite">4    <pre wrap="">As many of you are aware, this newsgroup is slated<br>for removal on January 31st, 2002.  The vote was<br>taken at the end of last year, and there was a large<br>marjority who wants to see this group removed.<br><br>If you are a regular reader, you need to make other arrangements.<br></pre>     </blockquote>:    <pre wrap=""><!----><br>You're welcome to visit <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.openvms.org">www.openvms.org</a> and <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tru64.org">www.tru64.org</a> for your Compaq<br>enterprise OS and product discussions.</pre>:     </blockquote>sJ Though I appreciate the efforts to support an alternative, I receive aboutI 3000 messages a week from various news groups and subscription lists thattO are auto-forwarded and categorized through e-mail. &nbsp;For myself, and I find I a lot of others feel the same way, web based forums are slow, cumbersome,oK and require me to make the effort to 'fetch' the contents for review ratherd$ than having them at my disposal.<br>     <br>H If in fact the news group is going away, my request would be that eitherM Mark Berryman of SAIC continue supporting the group even if it is only e-mail P based relay or that you modify your web based forums to allow for bi-directional8 e-mail traffic of individual postings (not digests).<br>     <br> Regards,<br>     <br> Barry Treahy<br>     <br>     <br>W     <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:L4m08.26078$JF.202537@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net">t)       <pre wrap=""><br><br><br><br></pre>e       </blockquote>d
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       </html>   ( --------------060201090902070207010400--   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:50:22 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business @ Message-ID: <hZw08.45288$jc.3176106@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3C424845.A8FDBDDF@fsi.net...  > Bill Todd wrote: > >.@ > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message% > > news:3C3FB58A.E6FEDB09@fsi.net..., > >a > > ...R > > L > > > Well, technically, "SET FILE/ENTER" produces the equivalent of a "softJ > > > link" - a new directory entry that point to the original file headerJ > > > ("inode", in UN*X-speak). No new file header ("inode") is allocated. > >eJ > > I'm no Unix expert, but I believe you have the definitions of hard and soft > > links reversed.f >"I > Not according to the Solaris Admin. class I'm studying to get certifiedsH > to teach. According to the Sun documentation (and the head instructor,H > who also is certified in Tru64), a "soft link" is exactly that: littleD > more than a directory entry which points to an inode which is alsoD > "linked" to at least one other directory entry. A "hard link" is aH > directory entry which points to a "duplicate inode" (includes the sameH > data as an existing inode which describes - except for the file name - > an existing file).  E A quick Google search on "hard link" found hits on both NetBSD and NT-L documentation that certainly seem to define the term as I do.  I suggest you review your sources again.   >oK > > > 1. In ODS, there is no linked list connecting all of the "aliases" to G > > > the actual file itself. So, there's no way to find, for any given( file, 1 > > > all the aliases on a specific volume(-set).  > >/G > > AFAIK the inode maintains a 'links count' that indicates *how many*a linksY3 > > exist, but has no data to support finding them.  > J > At least on UN*X, an "alias" can be identified without digging TOO deep.  L How?  My impression is that, unlike ODS-2 (as you describe below), two linksK to the same file on Unix are absolutely equal - there's no 'primary' entry.T  J > On ODS, you must match the "back-link FID" of the file header associatedG > with a directory entry to the FID of the directory in which you found I > it. A mismatch indicates an alias. No other mechanism is available, and G > there is no indication of how many aliases may exist for a given file$ > (if any).I >EG > > > 2. In UN*X-land, the "inode" - equivalent to a file header - doesh *NOT* H > > > contain the filespec. Thus, if the directory entry is lost for the "realOH > > > file", it becomes very difficult to find the "beginning" of a file > > > chain. > > ? > > 'File chain'?  Are you confusing Unix's file structure withiL > > MS-DOS's/Win9x's, where there's no 'inode'-like structure at all and theL > > directory entry just points to the FAT entry for the file's start block? >1A > For purposes as used here, "file chain" = "(set of) extent(s)".2+ > Substitute other synonyms as appropriate.0  K Whatever you call it, the inode still identifies the area used by the file,UL including its start, unambiguously, regardless of what directory entries may or may not exist.t   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:47:50 GMTC# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> F Subject: Re: Compaq's Board of Directors & their value to shareholders> Message-ID: <aRE08.188446$pa1.53362175@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  H Just an FYI from Compaq's web site talking about Corporate Governance...  D "In the 2000 annual evaluation of Board effectiveness, each directorI completed a Board evaluation questionnaire, focusing on Board information L and expertise, Board presentation formats, quality of materials furnished toI the Board, Board meetings, and Board duties and organization. In the 2000PG evaluation of individual directors, individual director performance wasAF reviewed on a number of criteria, including contribution, preparation,I participation, stock ownership, and attendance. Following the review, theuH Corporate Governance Committee recommended the nomination of each of theL directors on the slate of directors being recommended to the shareholders at the 2001 Annual Meeting.I The Corporate Governance Committee believes that smaller boards generallysI operate more effectively and efficiently and that the appropriate size ofhC the Board is related to the breadth of Compaq's business, CommitteeiH operations, and the need for diversity in experience and background. TheL Committee has underway searches for two additional independent board members? and anticipates that these directors will be appointed in 2001.O   Corporate Governance Committee Lucille S. Salhany (Chair) Lawrence T. Babbio, Jr.  Thomas J. Perkins"  K So Terry, are you game to be a director? I'll write these people if you are/: and suggest you as a replacement for the departed Mr. Lay.      ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message"5 news:JwZ_7.8369$fG.45694@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net..." > 4 > "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 > news:g94o3u4qmi5e6cp2pbl08r70i2sb35aea1@4ax.com... >  > >rJ > > Like it or not and despite some disagreements comp.os.vms/info-vax hasI > > shown a far greater ability to predict future directions and outcomesh- > > of certain actions than the Compaq board.  >aG > Heck, if that's the case, CPQ ought to be paying us, not the cluelessM Armani0 > Analysis and the Croupiers on Wall Street! ;-} >%	 > cheers,  >J	 > terry s1 >7 >  >%   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:10:22 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>D/ Subject: Re: CPQ Board Member Missing in Action18 Message-ID: <jv954ukp3lnh764sonbjt0sh8ogo46fel2@4ax.com>  4 On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:22:12 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:    E >Perhaps this is just as well. We need a diversion from the continual%B >coverage of Osama Has Been and His Troupe of Trained Maggots. ;-}  D I was shocked to open a newspaper a few days ago and see a half pageE colour photo of someone I'd known vaguely in High School. His name isaE James McLintock and was the younger brother (by only about 18 months)8= of John McLintock whom I knew well. Not sure but I think JohnaE committed suicide a few years ago. I haven't seen either for about 20pE years. It would be a double tragedy for the family to have one commit C suicide and another be picked up attempting to get out of Tora Borap  B They came from a respected Catholic family and attended a CatholicA school which the non-denominational school I attended shared some < classes with. The father was a professor of chemistry at theC University of Dundee and later the University's Director of Safety.8  : John was always the revolutionary with James seemingly theB level-headed one but obviously things changed with time. Both were highly intelligent.E  B I only mention it because I did not expect to actually know anyoneE supposedly a senior Al Queda commander. The family claim he's just an"B aid worker grabbed by Pakistani intelligence to make it look as if/ they have a good clean-up rate. Time will tell.S   BBC news item at> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1755000/1755409.stm   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:14:26 -0500S From: gce <ge@gce.com>/ Subject: Re: Crispin's note on case sensitivityo' Message-ID: <3C432002.24BC53C8@gce.com>1  B ..Seems he forgets the heritage of RSX-11 compatibility, where RSXC also had to cope with small disks and so used RAD50, which has onlyE 40 symbols, for filenames.  H VMS V1 had mostly RSX compat mode utilities and needed to follow the RSXF rules. While it would have been possible, with a great deal more work,I maybe to do what AmigaDos and others later did (keep case but treat cases E the same), it was not much of an option. As has been observed, where eA filenames have a 9.3 character limit, case looms much less large.   E As it is, filename is not an exhaustive description of a file and theiG attempt to overload filenames to fill this function seems to me to have = reached a limit of usefulness. If, for example, the notion ofTK "default directory" were slightly modified to be "default file environment" E and included file characteristics, contents, origins, etc. etc., manynH lookup problems might be made simpler. This could be done with VMS, evenH by a third party. Someday we will look back on these very long filenames% and wonder how anyone found anything..  B As for the examples ("Polish my shoes.") they show that English isD excellent at supporting confusing statements or spelling. In this it is not however totally alone.t  < "Je suis ce que je suis parce que je suis ceux que je suis."  A If I were a native Francophone I could probably do much better...   Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 06:49:43 -0800. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)# Subject: Re: DCL (F$GETQUI) Problemt= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0201140649.7d29dcd1@posting.google.com>l  n ukgaragescene@aol.com (UK Garage Scene) wrote in message news:<20020109191207.28750.00003654@mb-fe.aol.com>...Q > I'm trying to create a dcl .com to extract all entrys created in one queue by a Q > single user (USERX for example), then $SET ENT/HOLD  for the rest of the entrys N > leaving USERX released for completion, then releasing the rest of the entrysG > once the USERX entrys have all been completed.  Had a look in the DCLtP > dictionary at the F$GETQUI lexical but it went straight over my head, too many! > commands.  Can anybody help me?o  F The best way to get up to speed quickly with F$GETQUI is to start withE the examples in DCL HELP Lex F$GETQUI Examples or the examples in the D DCL Dictionary. Find the one that is closest to what you want to do,B see what it does, and then modify it to do what you want. Find theD table in the DCL Dictionary with the keyword in the example you wish8 to modify. Then change that keyword to the one you want.  F Yes, it's not explained very well at all. You really have to study the$ exmaples to learn it. (Well, I did.)  E WARNING! Running any DCL queue-related command (like SHOW QUEUE, SHOWwB ENTRY, etc.), will destroy your context if you are looping throughA queues, jobs, or files. Use SPAWN SHOW ENTRY, etc., to avoid thiso trap!i   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmano afeldman;gfigroup.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:53:53 +0000l  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com# Subject: Re: DCL (F$GETQUI) Problemi: Message-ID: <OFAC306C5C.3D2C70FE-ON00256B41.005721D5@btyp>  I There was a VERY useful file in the DSN database which contained examplesoK etc of the use of F$GETQUI which, although quite large, was a great help touG me in the beginning. Presumably it's still available somewhere? I mighteK have a copy myself, but I'm not sure how you stand with posting it in C.O.Vf" given the usual copyright notices.   Steve Se        B SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) on 01/14/2002 02:49:43 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:rJ From:      SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman), 14 January 2002, 2:49            p.m.0   Re: DCL (F$GETQUI) Problem    8 ukgaragescene@aol.com (UK Garage Scene) wrote in message5 news:<20020109191207.28750.00003654@mb-fe.aol.com>...zF > I'm trying to create a dcl .com to extract all entrys created in one
 queue by aJ > single user (USERX for example), then $SET ENT/HOLD  for the rest of the entrysG > leaving USERX released for completion, then releasing the rest of then entrysG > once the USERX entrys have all been completed.  Had a look in the DCLhK > dictionary at the F$GETQUI lexical but it went straight over my head, toor many! > commands.  Can anybody help me?   F The best way to get up to speed quickly with F$GETQUI is to start withE the examples in DCL HELP Lex F$GETQUI Examples or the examples in the D DCL Dictionary. Find the one that is closest to what you want to do,B see what it does, and then modify it to do what you want. Find theD table in the DCL Dictionary with the keyword in the example you wish8 to modify. Then change that keyword to the one you want.  F Yes, it's not explained very well at all. You really have to study the$ exmaples to learn it. (Well, I did.)  E WARNING! Running any DCL queue-related command (like SHOW QUEUE, SHOW.B ENTRY, etc.), will destroy your context if you are looping throughA queues, jobs, or files. Use SPAWN SHOW ENTRY, etc., to avoid thisa trap!,   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanh afeldman;gfigroup.comu          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasaG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,g$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedoK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.a  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.e  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,dD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 07:18:46 -0600G From: simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)V> Subject: Error rates in VMS and layered products source code ?3 Message-ID: <1UsiAs5gI6pu@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  A After reading a discussion in another newsgroup about error ratesn@ in source code, I am curious if any statistics are available for> error rates in the base VMS source code as well as the layered
 products ?   Simon.   -- .G Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP       t+ Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.A   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:28:20 -0400-+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>qB Subject: Re: Error rates in VMS and layered products source code ?1 Message-ID: <3C4296A4.122B10A6@trailing-edge.com>e   Simon Clubley wrote: > C > After reading a discussion in another newsgroup about error rates B > in source code, I am curious if any statistics are available for@ > error rates in the base VMS source code as well as the layered > products ?  ? Do you want error rates for known errors or for errors we don'tq know about yet?w  A Statistics of "errors per line of code" are very dubious, as theye= don't take into account fundamental design mistakes, which ina: my experience are responsible for 90% of product failures.   Tim.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 07:39:30 -0600G From: simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) B Subject: Re: Error rates in VMS and layered products source code ?3 Message-ID: <UrnopQk8I5DS@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  _ In article <3C4296A4.122B10A6@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:, > Simon Clubley wrote: >> uA > Do you want error rates for known errors or for errors we don'tt > know about yet?d   :-)h  D Error rates for known errors; which of course raises the question ofG just how long into a product cycle does it take for something to becomee a known error.   > C > Statistics of "errors per line of code" are very dubious, as theya? > don't take into account fundamental design mistakes, which inu< > my experience are responsible for 90% of product failures. >   G But of course developers/managers need to try and establish some metric:D for measuring software quality and errors per line of code is one ofB most obvious, but you are correct; it's not anywhere near perfect.  > I am aware of just how big an area this is, I was just curious what the VMS error rates are.c   > Tim.   Simon.   -- -G Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP       r+ Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:57:51 +0000-  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comQ Subject: Films and Books. [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ]l: Message-ID: <OFD74F2058.7A40CB48-ON00256B41.00579506@btyp>  H I was going to suggest the Bond movies but then I wondered just how many+ people have actually READ any of the books?m   Steve Sr        ; Dave Perks <Dave_Perks@mitel.com> on 01/11/2002 10:08:35 PM:    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:oI From:      Dave Perks <Dave_Perks@mitel.com>, 11 January 2002, 10:08 p.m.a  G Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: Thedemise ofu compaq ) compaq ) compaq )     Terje Mathisen wrote:  >t > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:e > > & > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:39:49 +01008 > > Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> wrote: > >tD > > TM> Not _nearly_ as bad as current movies about the same things. > >sH > >         Can you cite any examples where movies have been better than evenK > > quite bad books in the same genre ? I am quite sure that there are *no*,I > > science fiction films that improve on novels with similar topics (let & > > alone the ones they are based on). >t > 2001?e >i > Otherwise, I agree.t  F Wasn't the book "2001" written at the same time as, or even after, the screenplay?s  H I'll also mention HAL 9000 to keep this on topic for at least two of the the newsgroups :-)          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message haslG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,e$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.o  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.t  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:01:49 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comO Subject: Films or books? [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans]a: Message-ID: <OF2ECBA992.A87BE8C1-ON00256B41.00527629@btyp>  = Yes, 2001 was taken from a short story called "The Sentinel".h   Steve S         B Konrad Schwarz <konradDOTschwarz@web.de> on 01/12/2002 10:18:49 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:tK From:      Konrad Schwarz <konradDOTschwarz@web.de>, 12 January 2002, 10:18e            a.m.i  G Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: Thedemise ofk compaq ) compaq ) compaq )     Dave Perks schrieb:p   > Terje Mathisen wrote:t > >l > > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:p > > > ( > > > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:39:49 +0100: > > > Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> wrote: > > >uF > > > TM> Not _nearly_ as bad as current movies about the same things. > > > J > > >         Can you cite any examples where movies have been better than evenH > > > quite bad books in the same genre ? I am quite sure that there are *no*K > > > science fiction films that improve on novels with similar topics (letr( > > > alone the ones they are based on). > >D	 > > 2001?8 > >a > > Otherwise, I agree.h >.H > Wasn't the book "2001" written at the same time as, or even after, the
 > screenplay?h  F The film was inspired by a short story written by Clark in the 50's or 60's. - I believe the book was writen after the film.o            F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,r$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedaK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.l  
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In the next release (V5.3) there ist0 > a ^T function which will display the progress.  C Anyone figured out how to send a control-T in batch mode, let alones analyse what it tells you?  C Through no fault of my system's FTP package, if the remote end goestE AWOL*, mine can occasionally just sit there expecting a response thate never arrives. Not RWAST.e  % I have built in timeouts around that.a  E FTP is *simple*. *Don't* expect the remote end to tell you the truth!h  H There are no back verified CRC checks. How do you know the block sent is the same as the block received?d  6 * remote end, any point in between, up to a line drop. -- -( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:14:31 +0000.( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>! Subject: Re: FTP Success/Failure?,) Message-ID: <3C42AF87.49A41E1F@127.0.0.1>k   JF Mezei wrote:, > 6 > re: finding out if 6 hour FTP process worked or not. > I > would COPY/FTP provide you with a $STATUS symbol that would be usable ?o  A I thought it would only return the status from the FTP of your IPt package. Same as using FTP.d  eM > Have you considered using kermit as transfer protocol over TCPIP link ? itso- > scripting does have "if failure"  handling.r  E I transfer files with a number of platforms, and getting sysadmins touG put ckermit in for my benefit. probably not. But it's a darn good idea,l, you do get kermits CRC I assume, much safer.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comy   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:24:03 +0000l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>! Subject: Re: FTP Success/Failure? ) Message-ID: <3C42BFD3.5D90E978@127.0.0.1>S   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:e > 9 > Is it possible to end up with an incompleat file at theh$ > remote host, *even* if you got the1 > "250 Transfer completed successfully" message ?l   Yes!  C I lost my websites index file due to this. 250 success for a 0 bytes file.w  8 We also used to get 250 when we got our bytes scrambled!   FTP is not born out of VMS.I  @ I'm hoping to clean up my DCL procedures for freeware release...   -- r( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:54:02 +0000(% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a! Subject: Re: FTP Success/Failure?e8 Message-ID: <u1l54uod2qt16qvphvml5lr5a76jpfuqjd@4ax.com>  F On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:24:03 +0000, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:   >Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: >> y: >> Is it possible to end up with an incompleat file at the% >> remote host, *even* if you got thef2 >> "250 Transfer completed successfully" message ? >t >Yes!e >nD >I lost my websites index file due to this. 250 success for a 0 byte >file.  ? And a routine I have which pulls a file from an NT server wouldeE occasionally transfer a zero byte file but indicate success. For this  reason I added the following:e   $start_file_loop:U $   vms_file = f$search("*.UP")i0 $   if vms_file .EQS. "" then goto end_file_loop4 $!!!! Zero length files are being transferred. Why??2 $   if f$file_attributes(vms_file,"EOF") .eqs. "0" $   THEN= $      write sys$output "!!ERROR!! Zero length file",vms_filet  $      rename 'vms_file *.ZERO.* $      goto start_file_loop 	 $   ENDIFt    9 >We also used to get 250 when we got our bytes scrambled!o >e >FTP is not born out of VMS. >tA >I'm hoping to clean up my DCL procedures for freeware release...d   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:39:30 +1300o From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz>r: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC1 Message-ID: <STv08.129$na5.11407@news.xtra.co.nz>r  5 "Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message1+ news:a1t4o6$vsq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...s   >gF > That is the point. English is a case-sensitive language. "Danish" isG > a language. "danish" is a pastry. "Polish" is a nationality. "polish" E > is how you get silverware clean. "Turkey" is a country. "turkey" ish > a bird", and so on.  >   G Well, no. In fact it isn't (note that you're using proper names again).wC Except for the very few exceptions the case doesn't matter. Even intH those few exceptions it will take some special effort to make a sentenceI which is truly ambiguous (eg - it cannot be resolved or is really hard to  resolve from the context).D Another example of that: a word that starts a sentence *is expected*K to start with a capital letter. Do you really insist that any word that caneH start a sentence should have two different and distinct forms? And thoseC forms should be totally separate and should *not* match each other?eE So, to look at the current sentence that I write, would I be expectedeE to check the dictionary entries for both "So" and "so" to make sure IR got the meaning right?   >eJ > These are the same people, by the way, that I think you accused of being7 > lazy by making the UNIX file system case-insensitive.$ >Q  J You think wrong. I never did but I recall the post you mean, you must have got the quotes wrong somewhere.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:29:48 +1300  From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> : Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC1 Message-ID: <0Dw08.146$na5.13643@news.xtra.co.nz>n  5 "Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in messaget, news:a1t5ve$10jq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com...   >oJ > I suspect that most people never notice whether their file system treatsF > "PETER" and "peter" as different files, and couldn't tell you if you asked. >t  J Now, that's getting totally ridiculous. Try telling that to your users whoD have just typed in "peter" and come running to you complaining aboutF the so and so system that, for some inscrutable reason, refuses to let9 them access the same "Peter" file they have just created.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:40:19 -0500_% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>n: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC, Message-ID: <3C42996F.2CDAD02A@videotron.ca>  	 AG wrote:eK > You are cheating here. The whole thread was/is about the words that don't . > differ in spelling except for capitalization  H oK, i SeE. dId_YoU-kNoW_tHaT-tOo_MuCh-SeX_mAkEs-YoUr_EyEs-Go_FuNnY.tXt ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:21:54 +1300y From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz>s: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC1 Message-ID: <Snx08.171$na5.16335@news.xtra.co.nz>W  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C42996F.2CDAD02A@videotron.ca... > AG wrote:eG > > You are cheating here. The whole thread was/is about the words thati don'tG0 > > differ in spelling except for capitalization >mJ > oK, i SeE. dId_YoU-kNoW_tHaT-tOo_MuCh-SeX_mAkEs-YoUr_EyEs-Go_FuNnY.tXt ?  F So? You can spell it the way you like, I could spell it the way I likeB (capitalization-only changes please, no phonics changes:)). We canD still read and understand the text. The case-sensitive things won't.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 04:39:27 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>b: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC+ Message-ID: <3C42A745.D11D52C@videotron.ca>o  	 AG wrote:mH > So? You can spell it the way you like, I could spell it the way I likeD > (capitalization-only changes please, no phonics changes:)). We canF > still read and understand the text. The case-sensitive things won't.  E If you look at it from a C progrtamming point of view, there are some?K traditions where, for instance, #DEFINE of constants would be in uppercase, L and , historicalkly, system routines names were uppercase (although this hasM changed between VAX-C and DEC-C on vax since uppercase system routines are non) longer defined in librtl.h and starlet,h)y  M In any event, one can use capitalisation to indicate a certain type of objecto+ and this can improve readability of a file.r  N Perhaps the same could be done for files, with uppercase file names indicatingJ fixed non-editable files, and lowercase files being editable (config filesL etc). And software created to look first at a lowercase file and then if not% found, look at the uppercase version.e  M So the default config for a piece of software would create an uppsercase filenE name containing the default configuration and the user would create amE lowercase file of the same name with the site specific configuration.   I An advantage of this would be that during upgrades, the upgrade procedureoM would only touch the uppercase files, leaving the site-specific files intact.t    L case sensitivity *allows* for a meaning to be put to them. Whether UNIX everN put meaning to them is another question. If there is no meaning to the case ofQ file names, then UNIX wasted an opportunity to make intelligent use of a feature.e  J On VMS, you can use logical search paths to define a directory which firstM searches for the site specific files and then f not found, will look into theoH base software directories. (ALL-IN-1 has taken advantage of this so thatN customer's customization of the software are not zapped by upgrade procedures,K and it is possible to ALLIN1/NOCUSTOM where A1 then doesn't try to open anyi6 site specific files (good for debugging for instance).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:33 +1300s From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz>i: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC1 Message-ID: <lFx08.180$na5.17535@news.xtra.co.nz>   0 "Paul DeMone" <pdemone@igs.net> wrote in message! news:3C42731D.440AD76E@igs.net...c     >eI > In other words time flies like an arrow? (sorry, its an old and obscure0
 > AI joke) >   < I doubt those flies even saw an arrow, let alone liked it :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:25:48 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>/: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC, Message-ID: <3C42B21E.ACD00E9E@videotron.ca>  2 > "Paul DeMone" <pdemone@igs.net> wrote in messageL >> > In other words time flies like an arrow? (sorry, its an old and obscure > > AI joke)    9 Isn't it supposed to be "fruit flies like an arrow" ?????    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:14:34 +0000h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC8 Message-ID: <4si54uo1ek99hduv7faqqgblau70arkv32@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:25:48 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>e wrote:  3 >> "Paul DeMone" <pdemone@igs.net> wrote in messageoM >>> > In other words time flies like an arrow? (sorry, its an old and obscure 
 >> > AI joke)i >  >e: >Isn't it supposed to be "fruit flies like an arrow" ?????   Fruit flies like a bananae   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 10:01:53 -0600 From: rivie@cougar.no.domain: Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC3 Message-ID: <slrna460rf.8a4.rivie@cougar.no.domain>:  ; In article <3C42A745.D11D52C@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:  > AG wrote:dI >> So? You can spell it the way you like, I could spell it the way I likedE >> (capitalization-only changes please, no phonics changes:)). We caniG >> still read and understand the text. The case-sensitive things won't.o > G > If you look at it from a C progrtamming point of view, there are someaM > traditions where, for instance, #DEFINE of constants would be in uppercase,d  E I'm sorry, I know not of this #DEFINE of which you speak. Perhaps youf meant #define? -- r
 Roger Ivie ivie@cc.usu.edui    > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!.> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:16:48 -0000r4 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: https client apisB Message-ID: <1011021209.28080.0.nnrp-02.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  . What are the choices of https client for vms ?  G I've found lynx (which appears to do it), and fish (which appears to be<K unobtainable - www.free.lp.se is unreachable, although it's referenced from. various other sites & the faq).   8 We have to download files from an https web page hourly.K We have a script which someone wrote for us for ie, which does the job, but: we'd like to move it to vms.E Is there an https client which we can easily script to run in batch ?l   Thanks
 Chris Sharmanw   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:19:00 +0100s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: https client apim& Message-ID: <3C42F6E4.A9256F7@aaa.com>  ? I'm not sure if it does https, but I use the utility FETCH_HTTP 3 to download to my VMS system. From the Usage part : + (I dont' know what the -a option is for...)c4 It's just a signle C file. I could mail it to you if you'd like.r   Regardsn Jan-Erik Sderholm.a  	  * Usage:DB  *      $ fetch_http <URL> [outputfile] [-b][-s][-q][-h][-Hheader]>  *                                      [-a username:password]@  *                                      [-p proxygateway[:port]]6  *                                      [-f inputfile]  *  *
  * Arguments: %  *      URL             URL to fetch._0  *      outputfile      File to store result in.  *  * Options::E  *      -b              If specified, use 'binary' mode to save file. G  *      -s              If specified, use HTTP simplerequest format for  query.B  *      -q              If specified, just return response header.B  *      -H              If specified, take rest of line to send as
 additionalE  *                      header to remote site prior to fetching file.e:  *      -h              If specified, print usage message.  *     Chris Sharman wrote: > 0 > What are the choices of https client for vms ? > I > I've found lynx (which appears to do it), and fish (which appears to be M > unobtainable - www.free.lp.se is unreachable, although it's referenced fromO! > various other sites & the faq).G > : > We have to download files from an https web page hourly.M > We have a script which someone wrote for us for ie, which does the job, but  > we'd like to move it to vms.G > Is there an https client which we can easily script to run in batch ?t >  > Thanks > Chris Sharman    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 12:30:54 -0500& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: https client api/1 Message-ID: <a1v4ke$s52$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>n  B In article <1011021209.28080.0.nnrp-02.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>,3 Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> wrote:o0 : What are the choices of https client for vms ? : I : I've found lynx (which appears to do it), and fish (which appears to beiM : unobtainable - www.free.lp.se is unreachable, although it's referenced froms! : various other sites & the faq).i : : : We have to download files from an https web page hourly.M : We have a script which someone wrote for us for ie, which does the job, but  : we'd like to move it to vms.G : Is there an https client which we can easily script to run in batch ?h : I Gee, too bad, this would be another perfect fit for C-Kermit 8.0, if onlyrM the HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP clients had been ported to VMS.  HTTPS also requiresg: the SSL/TLS code (which uses OpenSSL) to be ported to VMS.  > Similarly for the other thread about checking FTP status; see:  0   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html   - Franka   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:13:06 -0800g* From: James Gessling <jgessling@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: https client apis) Message-ID: <3C431FB2.7674F6BD@yahoo.com>>  9 This might do what you want.  There is a VMS version too.w   http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/  K We are trying to use it for some programatic client stuff.  The programmers 
 seem to think- it's pretty promising.   Jim    Chris Sharman wrote:  0 > What are the choices of https client for vms ? >>I > I've found lynx (which appears to do it), and fish (which appears to be0M > unobtainable - www.free.lp.se is unreachable, although it's referenced fromp! > various other sites & the faq).w >t: > We have to download files from an https web page hourly.M > We have a script which someone wrote for us for ie, which does the job, but  > we'd like to move it to vms.G > Is there an https client which we can easily script to run in batch ?  >  > Thanks > Chris Sharmang   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:13:49 -0800e* From: James Gessling <jgessling@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: https client apiT( Message-ID: <3C431FDD.C7FB5D8@yahoo.com>  4 This might do it for you, there is a VMS version too   http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/  
 Regards,  Jimh   Chris Sharman wrote:  0 > What are the choices of https client for vms ? >iI > I've found lynx (which appears to do it), and fish (which appears to be M > unobtainable - www.free.lp.se is unreachable, although it's referenced from.! > various other sites & the faq).. >.: > We have to download files from an https web page hourly.M > We have a script which someone wrote for us for ie, which does the job, but  > we'd like to move it to vms.G > Is there an https client which we can easily script to run in batch ?  >h > Thanks > Chris Sharmant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:27:03 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r/ Subject: Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monsters8 Message-ID: <ch854usb47007o1js2vk5t5dnqi14l1ui6@4ax.com>  5 On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:36:57 -0500, "Fred Kleinsorge"i$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  L >One modification to what I said.  I believe that a Marvel with more than 32H >processors would need to use hard partitions, not soft partitions.  VMSI >needs the CPU namespace to be 0-31.  That will not change until we go toiK >V8.0.  So I believe you would hard partition at the 32p boundry, and could-> >run multiple Galaxy partitions within the 32p hard partition. > H >Of course, my contact in the gov space says the report is out to lunch.  F There does seem to be something behind it as I've spoken to one or twoF people connected with the plant and they confirm something unusual wasC just shipped. Most likely I would guess it's EV68 based systems butc3 the EV7 speculation is an interesting conjecture.  g   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:33:05 -0500C% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>:/ Subject: Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monster1, Message-ID: <3C42B3D2.4E736C34@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote: H > There does seem to be something behind it as I've spoken to one or twoH > people connected with the plant and they confirm something unusual wasE > just shipped. Most likely I would guess it's EV68 based systems butt3 > the EV7 speculation is an interesting conjecture.>  N CNN had a report on "Carnivore", the software the NSA/FBI/??? are deploying toJ read everyone's emails. And one comment made is that that software doesn't- have the power to decript encrypted messages.e  B I immediatly thought of that secret wildfire that was being built.    N Being USA centric, I wonder if those organisatiosn have thought about starting; to listen in on all SMS traffic ? (this is new to the USA).s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:20:57 +0000r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t/ Subject: Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monsteri8 Message-ID: <07j54u45g651780h3rn029hl7p7vrseor0@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:33:05 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>  wrote:   >Alan Greig wrote:I >> There does seem to be something behind it as I've spoken to one or twomI >> people connected with the plant and they confirm something unusual was F >> just shipped. Most likely I would guess it's EV68 based systems but4 >> the EV7 speculation is an interesting conjecture. > O >CNN had a report on "Carnivore", the software the NSA/FBI/??? are deploying to.K >read everyone's emails. And one comment made is that that software doesn'ts. >have the power to decript encrypted messages.  D I'd tend not to suspect the FBI's "carnivore". More likely you might3 want the fastest Alphas for "echelon". Good link at"H http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1357000/1357264.stm    C >I immediatly thought of that secret wildfire that was being built.a >o >eO >Being USA centric, I wonder if those organisatiosn have thought about starting < >to listen in on all SMS traffic ? (this is new to the USA).   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:25:38 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>/ Subject: Re: Inquirer take on Ayr Alpha monster*= Message-ID: <m%A08.29263$JF.268459@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>i  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C42B3D2.4E736C34@videotron.ca... > Alan Greig wrote:bJ > > There does seem to be something behind it as I've spoken to one or twoJ > > people connected with the plant and they confirm something unusual wasG > > just shipped. Most likely I would guess it's EV68 based systems but 5 > > the EV7 speculation is an interesting conjecture.n >oC > CNN had a report on "Carnivore", the software the NSA/FBI/??? arei deploying toL > read everyone's emails. And one comment made is that that software doesn't/ > have the power to decript encrypted messages.- >-D > I immediatly thought of that secret wildfire that was being built. >a >.G > Being USA centric, I wonder if those organisatiosn have thought about- starting= > to listen in on all SMS traffic ? (this is new to the USA).o  L Given my assocation (many years ago) with an NSA subsidiary in Viet Nam, andK my (again, dated) knowledge of the sort of stuff No Such Agency engages in, J I suspect that the role of the alleged Mother of all AlphaServers would beH related more to Echelon than to Carnivore and Magic Lantern. NSA and itsI rival electronic intelligence agencies are pretty good at capturing data;oI analyzing same sufficiently rapidly to make such analysis relevant is the K hard part of the task. The description of the alleged Alpha system makes me-L tend to believe that it's designed for rapid analysis of raw traffic gleanedI from a variety of collection mechanisms. But of course, I could be wrong.D  J For more on the NSA, I recommend James Bamford's "Puzzle Palace" and "BodyK of Secrets." Kahn's "The Codebreakers" is a pretty nice piece of work, too.pJ Burrow's "By Any Means Necessary" sheds light on some of our doings of OldI Crows and others involved in airborne Sigint and Elint collection efforts  and is a good read as well.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:00:09 -0500w% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>1# Subject: ISO 9960 question (Joliet)e, Message-ID: <3C42AC1E.FA2D760B@videotron.ca>  J I have a CD  that came with the router, and I would like to mount it on my
 vax/vms (7.2)r  M The CD was built with the more recent "Joliet" format which has extended fileaN names. For my MAC, I had to fetch an extention to read the extended file specs. instead of the (still present) 8.3 file specs.  K On VMS, it seems to be reading only the 8.3 file specs. The problem is thatnJ those are HTML files where the URLS inside the files all point to the fullC file specifications. (so links in those html files would all fail).a  : Has there been any work on VMS to support the full specs ?   Another question:i  : The volume name of the disk is : "01_08_22_15_16 (1 of 1)"L (as per the messages when I try to mount it /SYSTEM and it tells me that the9 volume label I supplied in the mount command is invalid).a  M However, if I supply MOUNT DUA2:  "01_08_22_15_16 (1 of 1)" $DISK3 , it still . complains that the volume label is incorrect.   N If I mount it with /OVERRIDE=ID, then it volume actually mounts, and when I doN a SHOW DEV/FULL (as well as the OPCOM messages confirming it has been mounted) show a truncated volume name of ! "01_08_22_15_"   (12 characters).   G But I am unable to mount/system or /cluster because I cannot supply then correct volume label.l  @ Is there a trick to avoid label processing when I MOUNT/SYSTEM ?    L Here is some info that was supplied with the 3rd party extension for macs to read Joliet: ##M When Microsoft introduced Windows 95 with long file names (up to 255 chars, I J believe), they also extended the ISO 9660 format to allow storage of filesH with such long Windows names on CD-ROMs. The names are stored  using theN Unicode format, even allowing non-roman script systems, like Japanese, ChineseP or Thai, to be used for file naming. This extension is called the Joliet format.  M Apple, however, never caught up with support for the new format. Thus, if younM try to read a CD-ROM with contents from a modern Windows system, you will not N see the original long Windows file names, but instead only "8.3" mangled namesG (which is a fallback provided for in the Joliet format). For example, arJ Windows file called "Carl's very interesting story.doc" would show up on a+ Macintosh as something like "CARL_SVE.DOC".n ##   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:33:56 -0400h+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>r' Subject: Re: ISO 9960 question (Joliet) 1 Message-ID: <3C4289E3.316B53E8@trailing-edge.com>e   JF Mezei wrote:h > L > I have a CD  that came with the router, and I would like to mount it on my > vax/vms (7.2)a > O > The CD was built with the more recent "Joliet" format which has extended fileeP > names. For my MAC, I had to fetch an extention to read the extended file specs0 > instead of the (still present) 8.3 file specs. > M > On VMS, it seems to be reading only the 8.3 file specs. The problem is that L > those are HTML files where the URLS inside the files all point to the fullE > file specifications. (so links in those html files would all fail).. > < > Has there been any work on VMS to support the full specs ?  ? Of Joliet?  I doubt it.  Joliet is very much a Windows-specificwA extension of ISO9660.  There are other (more portable) extensions 0 that should be worked on first, like Rock Ridge.  A That said, one *could* imagine a user-mode program that worked onh? the raw CD-ROM device and allowed one to reconstruct the Joliet>? extensions.  Sort-of like the MS-DOS filesystem tools that somet% use under VMS to access DOS floppies.r   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:26:06 -0800l* From: James Gessling <jgessling@yahoo.com>* Subject: Kenneth Lay off from Compaq board) Message-ID: <3C42EA7E.92A07E65@yahoo.com>n  * This came out friday afternoon on Reuters:   January 11, 2002 15:05:10 (ET)    H NEW YORK, Jan 11 (Reuters) - Ken Lay, chief executive of troubled energyH giant Enron Corp. (ENE,Trade), stepped down from Compaq Computer Corp.'sD (CPQ,Trade) board of directors on Dec. 31, a spokesman for the No. 2' personal-computer maker said on Friday.>  E The move comes after Houston-based Enron filed the largest bankruptcy?F case in U.S. history in December. In December, drugmaker Eli Lilly and5 Co. (LLY,Trade) said Lay had resigned from its board.i  G At the heart of Enron's problems were complex financial partnerships --DH known as special-purpose entities -- set up by executives of the companyC and used to keep debt off its highly leveraged books. Disclosure ofYB these deals lead to a massive loss of investor confidence, and the$ company headed for bankruptcy court.  C Compaq, which has announced plans to merge with Hewlett-Packard Co..F (HWP,Trade), said it had no immediate plans to replace Lay as the size4 of its board can fluctuate from seven to 12 members.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:43:29 +0100 (MET)I9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 
 Subject: Marx ; Message-ID: <01KD25YKAT0C8ZGI9O@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  L > >> > In other words time flies like an arrow? (sorry, its an old and obsc= ure  > > > AI joke) >=20; > Isn't it supposed to be "fruit flies like an arrow" ?????-  G "Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."  ---Groucho Marx0  H Interesting that this arose in the case-sensitivity debate.  Here, we=20J see Groucho playing with the context: "flies" is a verb or noun; "like"=20K is, in the first case, something rather complex grammatically and a verb=20a in the second.  K Of course, in German capitalisation DOES have a significance in the real=20 @ world of printed literature (as opposed to usenet-7-bit-ASCII=20J conventions): nouns are always capitalised.  Tnus, "der Gefangene floh"=20E means "the prisoner escaped" while "der gefangene Floh" means "the=20 I imprisoned flea".  I'm told that this creates even bigger problems for=20rF computer translation than old chestnuts such as translating "out of=20) sight, out of mind" as "invisible idiot".s  E A sentence like "Wenn hinter Fliegen Fliegen fliegen, dann fliegen=20:D Fliegen Fliegen hinterher" would make even less sense without the=20G capitalisation cues.  Swedish, without capitalised nouns (Danish did=20mL have them until a few decades ago), has to live with "f=E5r f=E5r f=E5r" et= c.E (Sorry for the 8-bit characters; it's an "a" with a circle on top,=20  compose-a-* in VT terms.)m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:04:22 +0100-2 From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> Subject: Re: Marx]G Message-ID: <3c42c944$0$20644$6e365a64@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>   L "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag5 news:01KD25YKAT0C8ZGI9O@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... F > >> > In other words time flies like an arrow? (sorry, its an old and obscured > > > AI joke) > ; > Isn't it supposed to be "fruit flies like an arrow" ?????P  G "Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."  ---Groucho Marxu  E Interesting that this arose in the case-sensitivity debate.  Here, wesG see Groucho playing with the context: "flies" is a verb or noun; "like"eH is, in the first case, something rather complex grammatically and a verb in the second.  H Of course, in German capitalisation DOES have a significance in the real= world of printed literature (as opposed to usenet-7-bit-ASCIIiG conventions): nouns are always capitalised.  Tnus, "der Gefangene floh" B means "the prisoner escaped" while "der gefangene Floh" means "theF imprisoned flea".  I'm told that this creates even bigger problems forC computer translation than old chestnuts such as translating "out of ) sight, out of mind" as "invisible idiot".e  B A sentence like "Wenn hinter Fliegen Fliegen fliegen, dann fliegenA Fliegen Fliegen hinterher" would make even less sense without the D capitalisation cues.  Swedish, without capitalised nouns (Danish didG have them until a few decades ago), has to live with "fr fr fr" etc.aB (Sorry for the 8-bit characters; it's an "a" with a circle on top, compose-a-* in VT terms.)r  ? But we still can understand each other if we talk, even without ) capitalization - so do we really need it?i   Ren   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:26:03 -0500s% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>c Subject: Re: Marx , Message-ID: <3C42CE42.D837C9EA@videotron.ca>   "Ren Schelbaum" wrote:eA > But we still can understand each other if we talk, even withoute+ > capitalization - so do we really need it?v  , Ever been to chinese or japanese web sites ?  G You can usually navigate by looking at the URLS for each link since thet' filenames are almost always in english.r  N This shows that filename restrictions in asia force those who manage computersL to know a minimum amoiunt of english. Lets face it. you might be able to getN VMS or windows or a MAC in japanese, but deep down, it uses the same filenames as the english version.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:16:42 +00000% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a Subject: Re: MarxR8 Message-ID: <1dl54uoag825mgchnp3gvkk7stev24kbd3@4ax.com>  8 On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:43:29 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:e   >tH >imprisoned flea".  I'm told that this creates even bigger problems for E >computer translation than old chestnuts such as translating "out of  * >sight, out of mind" as "invisible idiot".  E Then there's "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" supposedlyrF translated to Russian and back as "The alcohol is good but the meat is bad".c  @ Actually my real favourite is probably the section of the GermanD magazine interview with Capellas (back on topic!) which Alta Vista'sC Babel-Fish translated as "I like skirt music and have it on all thev> time in the office and dance around like that skirt star BruceF Springsteen. I am cheerleader." Conjures up some wonderful imagery :-)  E Rock can mean skirt in German or have its English meaning. Thus we'lleD never know if Curly likes rock music or really does dance around the; office in a cheerleader type skirt while listening to Bruce  Springsteen.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:38:29 +0100 2 From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> Subject: Re: Marx G Message-ID: <3c42df53$0$10832$5039e797@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>-  8 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag& news:3C42CE42.D837C9EA@videotron.ca... > "Ren Schelbaum" wrote:iC > > But we still can understand each other if we talk, even withoutw- > > capitalization - so do we really need it?  >d. > Ever been to chinese or japanese web sites ? >tI > You can usually navigate by looking at the URLS for each link since thea) > filenames are almost always in english.e >oF > This shows that filename restrictions in asia force those who manage	 computers:J > to know a minimum amoiunt of english. Lets face it. you might be able to get1F > VMS or windows or a MAC in japanese, but deep down, it uses the same	 filenames@ > as the english version.   L Right, but that seems to me to be an argument for case-preservation, not forL case-sensitivity, as it seems very unlikely to have multiple interpretations4 (eg. Polish-polish) in the same application-context.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:37:53 -0800u1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>i& Subject: More info on Hp-Compaq mergerO Message-ID: <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C2316311B@ny_exchange1.maintech1.com>s  K I'm passing this on to the newsgroup, since I suspect most denizens of thist group are not resellers.  2 ==================================================- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~V VARBUSINESS INSIDER NEWS- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-, Key Resellers Swing Behind HP-Compaq Merger : Computer resellers, who account for the bulk of sales for ; Hewlett-Packard and Compaq Computer, have swung behind the 4A controversial $25 billion merger between the companies, offering eC crucial support for the success of such an alliance, analysts say. n  F http://newsletter.varbusiness.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFhe0BnahV0hk0BU6a0AI> ==============================================================   Mike Farrell   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:53:55 -0000f- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)e* Subject: Re: More info on Hp-Compaq merger7 Message-ID: <919689DB4warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>e  2 MFarrell@voltdelta.com (Farrell, Michael) wrote inE <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C2316311B@ny_exchange1.maintech1.com>: o  G >I'm passing this on to the newsgroup, since I suspect most denizens of  >this group are not resellers. >-3 >==================================================:. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >VARBUSINESS INSIDER NEWS . >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~- >Key Resellers Swing Behind HP-Compaq Merger  ; >Computer resellers, who account for the bulk of sales for  < >Hewlett-Packard and Compaq Computer, have swung behind the B >controversial $25 billion merger between the companies, offering D >crucial support for the success of such an alliance, analysts say.  > G >http://newsletter.varbusiness.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFhe0BnahV0hk0BU6a0AIi? >==============================================================" >h
 >Mike FarrellN    K Almost ironic that the PC channel guys apparently support the merger, when aL it's PC's that are dragging CPQ to the poorhouse.  Misery loves company?  I J guess anything that could theoretically reduce PC costs smells like added 4 profit margin, and thus is beneficial in their eyes.   ws   -- /   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)i The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:20:40 +0000n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o- Subject: Northernlight to close public access-8 Message-ID: <0hm54u4qu0elogh0438move3g6ebfal2l4@4ax.com>  E The VMS based search engine Northern Light (www.northernlight.com) isoF to close its public search facility. A real pity because it was a nice5 publicity tool as well as an excellent search engine. 4 http://www.northernlight.com/docs/letterfromceo.html    Letter from the CEO  0   Dear Customers and Friends of Northern Light,   B Since August of 1997, I have had the personal privilege of hearingC from many of you. You have told me in many different ways about how ? you benefit from our search and content services. So it is withe? gratitude and hope that I share with you the new direction thatf  Northern Light is taking today.   E While we have made an all-out effort at the advertising-supported WebaF search model, we find now that we need to refine our business to focusD more exclusively on the needs of business researchers and enterpriseC customers. As of January 16, 2002, Northern Light will no longer beb< providing free Web search to the general public. Our Special? Collection will continue to be available for free searching andN@ pay-per-view access from Northern Light's Web site. In addition,A advanced search forms, real-time news, Search Alerts, and Special @ Editions will still be available at no cost to NorthernLight.comF visitors. Rather than trying to be all things to all people, our focusE will be on providing the most authoritative information available forn decision-makers.    E Northern Light will continue to maintain and update its index of moreeD than 350 million Web pages for searching by enterprise customers, anC area of our business that is growing rapidly. None of the more thanr= 100 custom Web-crawls running for Northern Light's enterpriseD@ customers will be affected by the discontinuation of free public( access to the Northern Light Web index.   D I know that some of you will be disappointed by this decision, but IE hope that many of you will see it as I do: a positive move toward theiF future of a valuable search and content integration service. Thank youF for being with us through the years, and I hope you will continue with us for many more.      Cordially, f     David Seuss      j  :    9   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:12:22 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)a1 Subject: Re: Northernlight to close public accessn0 Message-ID: <00A08074.CD532E0E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <0hm54u4qu0elogh0438move3g6ebfal2l4@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: >)F >The VMS based search engine Northern Light (www.northernlight.com) isG >to close its public search facility. A real pity because it was a nicef6 >publicity tool as well as an excellent search engine.5 >http://www.northernlight.com/docs/letterfromceo.htmle >a > Letter from the CEO   1 >  Dear Customers and Friends of Northern Light, e >mC >Since August of 1997, I have had the personal privilege of hearingeD >from many of you. You have told me in many different ways about how@ >you benefit from our search and content services. So it is with@ >gratitude and hope that I share with you the new direction that! >Northern Light is taking today. e > F >While we have made an all-out effort at the advertising-supported WebG >search model, we find now that we need to refine our business to focushE >more exclusively on the needs of business researchers and enterprise2D >customers. As of January 16, 2002, Northern Light will no longer be= >providing free Web search to the general public. Our Specialk@ >Collection will continue to be available for free searching andA >pay-per-view access from Northern Light's Web site. In addition,eB >advanced search forms, real-time news, Search Alerts, and SpecialA >Editions will still be available at no cost to NorthernLight.com6G >visitors. Rather than trying to be all things to all people, our focusMF >will be on providing the most authoritative information available for >decision-makers.  >eF >Northern Light will continue to maintain and update its index of moreE >than 350 million Web pages for searching by enterprise customers, anpD >area of our business that is growing rapidly. None of the more than> >100 custom Web-crawls running for Northern Light's enterpriseA >customers will be affected by the discontinuation of free publicw) >access to the Northern Light Web index. e >oE >I know that some of you will be disappointed by this decision, but IoF >hope that many of you will see it as I do: a positive move toward theG >future of a valuable search and content integration service. Thank you G >for being with us through the years, and I hope you will continue with6 >us for many more.   >s >- >Cordially,  >B >8
 >David Seuss c >  >  >  >i >  >h >--  >Alane  K So they are going from an advertisement-supported model to what, a customer 2 supported model?  If so, how does one subscribe?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            tJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbest   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 10:52:40 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i1 Subject: Re: Northernlight to close public accessr3 Message-ID: <8jZwE4zkZuod@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <0hm54u4qu0elogh0438move3g6ebfal2l4@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > G > The VMS based search engine Northern Light (www.northernlight.com) isiH > to close its public search facility. A real pity because it was a nice7 > publicity tool as well as an excellent search engine.e  C On the other hand, it is nice to see VMS associated with people whomB are making definite plans to stay in business.  Massachusetts folkE are wondering whether the about-to-be-completed CMGI football stadium , in Foxboro will open before CMGI goes under.  H While we are on the subject, can anyone explain to me the business modelE for Google ?  Their main page indicates they offer advertising, but I E don't recall ever seeing any.  Perhaps I just search for unpopular orb noncommercial topics.    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 11:00:03 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f1 Subject: Re: Northernlight to close public accessy3 Message-ID: <pgSVxUhS5hyk@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  p In article <00A08074.CD532E0E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:  M > So they are going from an advertisement-supported model to what, a customere4 > supported model?  If so, how does one subscribe?    D For their "special collections" their pay-per-view service continuesE as always.  For general web service, you probably have to sign up foraC a large contract.   A news story last week mentioned that they havepC a big contract from that reknowned subsidiary In-Q-Tel.  For a more-/ broad look at recent In-Q-Tel investments, see:t  G http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20020113/tc/cia_s_silicon_snoops_2.htmlo  C So in a sense, Brian, you already are paying for a subscription :-)2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:59:26 -0500e- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>01 Subject: Re: Northernlight to close public accesst+ Message-ID: <sc42c833.060@AAASMTA.aaas.org>t  G Depending on what you search for, ads will come up at the top of your =fH search or to the side. However, they make most of their money on other =F customer search projects that they do (most for companies in the Bay =	 Area).=20t  I They also get a nice chunk of cash for licensing use of their engine to =a people like Yahoo and AOL.  F >>> Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> 01/14/2002 11:52:40 AM >>>E In article <0hm54u4qu0elogh0438move3g6ebfal2l4@4ax.com>, Alan Greig =n <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: >=20G > The VMS based search engine Northern Light (www.northernlight.com) isnH > to close its public search facility. A real pity because it was a nice7 > publicity tool as well as an excellent search engine.m  C On the other hand, it is nice to see VMS associated with people whorB are making definite plans to stay in business.  Massachusetts folkE are wondering whether the about-to-be-completed CMGI football stadiumn, in Foxboro will open before CMGI goes under.  H While we are on the subject, can anyone explain to me the business modelE for Google ?  Their main page indicates they offer advertising, but ImE don't recall ever seeing any.  Perhaps I just search for unpopular or5 noncommercial topics.t   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:20:03 -0800 (PST)m. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>, Subject: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation@ Message-ID: <20020114172003.63007.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>   Dear ALL  $ Do you know where can I find some=20' documentation about the SQLNet commandsH for OpenVMS in the internet ?c  & A friend of mine is having problems=20# when conecting to Oracel RDB 7.0-31 
 SQLSRV 7.1   Regardse       =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DsL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dt F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Du  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:48:14 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>-0 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation' Message-ID: <3C4319DE.70D7E0DA@aaa.com>n  3 On "Metalink" (at metalink.oracle.com, and you needn- a "user" to logon) there is a lot of manuals.r/ After logon you select "Top Tech Docs" and theni4 select the SQLnet for Rdb directory. There you are !   Jan-Erik Sderholm.n     Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 
 > Dear ALL > # > Do you know where can I find someg) > documentation about the SQLNet commandsv > for OpenVMS in the internet ?a >  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilh > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ==========================   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:21:27 -0500c# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e% Subject: Re: RRD43 and Kodak CD-RW ?? + Message-ID: <3C42F777.1F9E4E37@hsc.vcu.edu>-  H I've also noticed that newer cd-r and cd-rw's have raised lettering, and on sometE cd readers we have, the clearance like for laptops is so low that thec letters hit the  drive...  !!!!   Jims   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:r >  > Hi.,= > I'm having trouble mounting a Kodak CD-RW disk on my RRD43. : > I'v no problem at all with ordinary CD-R's burned on the9 > same "HP CD-writer cd4e series" drive, also from Kodak.t > = > I'd just like to get verifyed if (or that) CD-RW's can't bea > read on the RRD43 drive. >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.s   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 09:32:11 -0800' From: spedraja@ono.com (Sergio Pedraja)n Subject: Searching one VAX/11 = Message-ID: <c2551c25.0201140932.78e1db1b@posting.google.com>-  F Hello. I am searching one working VAX/11 system in Continental Europe C (better in the European Community Area). For hobbyist reasons only.n@ The ideal system would be one 725, 730, 750 or 751 system, with E one fixed hard disk, one removable disk unit, one 9-track tape unit, t7 one console terminal and one terminal printer terminal.g> But, of course, other combinations are welcome. I arrange the $ shipment in European Community area.  A I should agree to locate too one working PDP-8/E, one PDP-11/70,  > one PDP-11/44, one DEC 19" rack tower or semi tower, one RL02 8 disk unit, and one TS05 or equivalent 9-track tape unit.  	 Greetingsf   Sergio   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 05:39:21 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h! Subject: Re: Selling VMS licensesa3 Message-ID: <oLfilHEZq7gr@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  x In article <a1tlg0$nai$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, Stephen Eickhoff <""operagost\"@e-mail.com (remove the dash)> writes:  J > Gee, Compaq sure does have a lot of influence over the use of a license ? > which the user bought. You'd think it was rented! Great scam.l  H That is the meaning of a _license_ to use software, and why nobody everyE buys _software_ itself.  All licenses have restrictions, even GPL (or ( from some perspectives, especially GPL).  D The Compaq license transfer rules are essentially unchanged from the DEC license transfer rules.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:38:05 -0400.+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>w! Subject: Re: Selling VMS licensest0 Message-ID: <3C428ADD.BB39A01@trailing-edge.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > z > In article <a1tlg0$nai$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, Stephen Eickhoff <""operagost\"@e-mail.com (remove the dash)> writes: > K > > Gee, Compaq sure does have a lot of influence over the use of a licenseaA > > which the user bought. You'd think it was rented! Great scam.  > J > That is the meaning of a _license_ to use software, and why nobody everyG > buys _software_ itself.  All licenses have restrictions, even GPL (or * > from some perspectives, especially GPL). > F > The Compaq license transfer rules are essentially unchanged from the > DEC license transfer rules.e  D One improvement seems to be that end-users can perform the transfer,5 instead of requiring the transaction to go through an-; approved "dealer".  (At least that was my interpretation ofl the rules in the mid-90's.)a   Tim.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 02 10:21:22 GMTE From: jmfbahciv@aol.comcX Subject: Re: Sv: Sv: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:  The dem+ Message-ID: <a1uj0m$ajg$4@bob.news.rcn.net>=  ' In article <3C418297.FE832A4F@ev1.net>,=-    Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net> wrote:~ >Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> ~% >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:01:18 +1300~' >> Bruce Hoult <bruce@hoult.org> wrote:M >>  K >> BH> Why is it that two (or three?) mouse buttons is the *right* number,   butoI >> BH> a somewhat larger number of possible modifier key combinations is t toot# >> BH> many?  Where is the optimum?p >> oJ >>         Simple, I can *see* the mouse buttons and *know* that they haveI >> something to do with pointer related actions. Three buttons is optimal=H >> because that's how many fingers I have available for pressing buttons5 >> while the thumb and little finger guide the mouse.  >>  D >>         I sometimes wonder about the feasibility of a combination3 >> microwriter and mouse though (drag an x to ...).7 >> .G >In one of their April issues, BYTE magazine featured an ASCII mouse...61 >yep, a mouse with a full-ASCII keyboard on it!!!t >1D As long as it didn't have any balls (that require cleaning to work).   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:45:39 +0000~% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>IX Subject: Re: Sv: Sv: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:  The dem8 Message-ID: <5pn54u8379rv5nvuqjgikavqj0e5j8m9op@4ax.com>  E On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:49:50 GMT, Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>b wrote:   >> nG >In one of their April issues, BYTE magazine featured an ASCII mouse...s1 >yep, a mouse with a full-ASCII keyboard on it!!!s  D And curiously I've just spotted Byte returns to print with a special@ edition in April this year. First print issue of Byte since 1998F although it has continued on the web (www.byte.com) where you can readE online or order the upcoming Spring 2002 issue. I just  have to order  it for nostalgia reasons.r  C Yes Jerry Pournelle is still stuck in Chaos Manor. Title of current @ column is "Escape from Redmond". I think VMS is what he's really* looking for. All we need is Star Office... -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:55:26 +0100s= From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>-8 Subject: Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions5 Message-ID: <3C428EEE.29E761BE@contrastmediagroep.nl>h   Dirk Munk wrote:  B > Section 2.1.5 suggests that changes made with "sysconfig -r" areG > temporary, and will be lost after a reboot. So section 2.1.4 says theoG > changes are saved in a configuration file, and section 2.1.5 says the I > changes are not permanent, but fails to mention how we should make theml > permanent !?!t  F The changes you make with sysconfig are only volatile. You have to setF these values again after starting tcpip, in systartup_vms for example.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 03:45:16 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>o8 Subject: Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions, Message-ID: <3C429A97.1C130283@videotron.ca>   Oswald Knoppers wrote:H > The changes you make with sysconfig are only volatile. You have to setH > these values again after starting tcpip, in systartup_vms for example.    K When the TCPIP services are started, where does TCPIP get its configuration2K for all services etc etc ? (eg: the info the TCPIP> utility sdisplayes withr SHOW commands) ?  K There seems to be some binary configuration file, and you can also create a-M text file with CONVERT/CONFIG.  Does TCPIP read both ? If so, which one takes, precedence ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:55:14 +0100 = From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>i8 Subject: Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions5 Message-ID: <3C42AB02.6A74A89F@contrastmediagroep.nl>k   JF Mezei wrote:L  M > When the TCPIP services are started, where does TCPIP get its configurationbM > for all services etc etc ? (eg: the info the TCPIP> utility sdisplayes withg > SHOW commands) ?  2 This information comes from sys$system:tcpip*.dat.  G These files are shared in a cluster. The tcpip$configuration.dat (whichtF holds info for the interfaces amongst others) is indexed with SCSNODE.C The other files contain data which is common for all cluster nodes.a   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:53:28 +0100o From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>8 Subject: Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions& Message-ID: <3C431B18.4090902@home.nl>  I Thanks Oswald, it's always nice to know there is someone there who knows - how these things work. :-)  G What makes me so mad is that this is not a bug or something like that. nC TCPIP is very important system software, and although it does work sC properly (afaik), the whole management interface and documentation hG doesn't reflect that, not by far. It simply doesn't have "VMS quality".>  D A Windooz guy recently said to me "You VMS guys have a problem. You C always expect things to work the way they are intended to, because s you're used to that".iJ Indeed we are, but would someone please give the TCPIP guys this message ?   Regards,   Dirk   Oswald Knoppers wrote:   >Dirk Munk wrote:  >tB >>Section 2.1.5 suggests that changes made with "sysconfig -r" areG >>temporary, and will be lost after a reboot. So section 2.1.4 says the G >>changes are saved in a configuration file, and section 2.1.5 says thedI >>changes are not permanent, but fails to mention how we should make them  >>permanent !?!  >> >NG >The changes you make with sysconfig are only volatile. You have to setrG >these values again after starting tcpip, in systartup_vms for example.e >o	 >Regards,  >i >Oswaldo >h   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:50:54 +0000 (UTC)e9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>e+ Subject: Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?u- Message-ID: <a1unnu$bpi$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>o  ' Roar Throns <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote:p) : Roar Throns <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote:t  
 : By the way:  : $ mcr []temacs.exe -l loadup : works mostly.e  L : The small dump seems to be because of changes in the mapout_data function.   Have gotten some further.t1 I had to use the 19_28 vmsmap.c and vmsgmalloc.c.w( Now it dumps, and also seems to read it.  4 I use mcr []temacs.exe -map temacs.dump to start it.1 It seems to loop in init_coding. (malloc related)s  5 : "Distribution" is at ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/emacs   7 New file emacs207_2.bck.gz (just recent files): ca 30M.   - I hope other interested people will help out.o  
 -Roar Thronsi   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 11:51:47 -0600- From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie)e1 Subject: RE: VMS Marketing For the General Public 3 Message-ID: <aDtEIzFWPbOl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F 	Another potential tv commercial, using the current fad of seeming to @ advertise something totally different until the last second...    C 	Beautiful sunny day, very long shot of a beautiful new sports car eM driving along a winding mountain road.  The camera gradually zooms closer to  O the car so that the viewer can admire it.  Said car comes to a stop gracefully rN at a pretty valley overlook.  The camera zooms fairly close and sweeps around P the car, showing off it's lines.  When the camera finally gets to the front (or I the back) of the car, it stops as if doing a double take, and then zooms l+ quickly into the license plate which reads:i   VMS 4VRw  E 	Camera focuses on the driver, and what the heck, sex sells so let's  P make her a beautiful, yet business-like young woman.  She smiles broadly at the O camera because she knows a good thing when she uses it.  (Both the car and the i< OS, perhaps.)  Slap compaq logo at the bottom of the screen.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 08:06:26 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler). Subject: Re: VMSBackup to unix3 Message-ID: <IKOcTFqCYhqM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   } In article <yWRAVNR5VwAP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:p > K > BTW, just how does Unix handle ANSI tapes ? This is one area of Unix thatr$ > I haven't had any exposure to yet.  F    As with all things UNIX, it depends which UNIX.  Some come with ltfA    (labeled tape facility), which has a tar like syntax, but onlyi#    understands single reel volumes.p  C    With other UNIX, you get to dd the labels to your terminal, handaF    decode them, then dd the data file to disk.  Except that your oftenF    stuck working out the record format after you get the data on disk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:43:49 -0500l( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being, Message-ID: <3C42EEA5.8000409@tsoft-inc.com>   Mark Crispin wrote:n    J > Then the developers of VMS built their filesystem, and it was ASCII, andF > they had full ASCII terminals.  But they had aggressive contempt forK > anything done by anyone else, and they adopted the 1960s operating systemuG > behavior of case-independence for their own and claimed that it was aa
 > feature.  F Sorry bigot, but your last paragraph has a contradiction.  If the VMS G developers had 'aggressive contempt' for anything done by anyone else, eF then how could they have adopted anything done by anyone else, and if E they could have done it for one prior practice, then they could have   done it for any prior practice.2  > Go back to logic 101, do not pass go, and do not collect $200.   -- 04 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:11:05 -0000t/ From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>n2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being/ Message-ID: <u46499q5nm1mb5@corp.supernews.com>t  8 In comp.os.vms David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:G :> they had full ASCII terminals.  But they had aggressive contempt forgL :> anything done by anyone else, and they adopted the 1960s operating system  H : Sorry bigot, but your last paragraph has a contradiction.  If the VMS I : developers had 'aggressive contempt' for anything done by anyone else,  H : then how could they have adopted anything done by anyone else, and if G : they could have done it for one prior practice, then they could have t! : done it for any prior practice.c  ; I can't be the only one shaking my head at Cripsin's use ofM? "aggressive contempt" to describe someone else, when that's all. he's shown here for VMS.   -- c -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 09:39:05 -0800 From: aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) 2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being$ Message-ID: <a1v53p$4ok$1@spies.com>  _ From article <u46499q5nm1mb5@corp.supernews.com>, by Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>:s > that's all > he's shown here for VMS.  : Please delete alt.sys.pdp10 from follow-ups on this topic.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:57:18 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being' Message-ID: <3C431BFE.241A825A@aaa.com>l  > And, some here seems to think that it was a *misstake* to make0 VMS case in-sensitive. But what if it wasn't :-)  / But, the point is that it doesn't matter realy.r  - If one OS is case sensitive, use it that way.a6 If another OS is case in-sensitive, use it *that* way.4 If you use both OS at the same time, just take care.  9 Heck, I just *work* with it. There is a real life also...o   Jan-Erik Sderholm     Michael Zarlenga wrote:! >  > = > I can't be the only one shaking my head at Cripsin's use of A > "aggressive contempt" to describe someone else, when that's all- > he's shown here for VMS. >  > -- > -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:23:36 -0500e From: "JD" <dyson@jdyson.com>,2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being2 Message-ID: <CfF08.379$vb1.68540@news1.iquest.net>  U "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:3C431BFE.241A825A@aaa.com... @ > And, some here seems to think that it was a *misstake* to make2 > VMS case in-sensitive. But what if it wasn't :-) >dF Case-insensitive was an interpretation of an old-fashioned traditional	 behavior.    >s1 > But, the point is that it doesn't matter realy.o >BC It matters in a similar way to limiting filename lengths.   Not all-B filenames are english proper nouns.   There is alot of descriptiveA info (even automatically generated) that can be usefully embeddedd" in a filename (or directory tree.)  C Not every limitation of a DEFAULT user interface need to be imposed E by the low level filesystem code (or OS kernel), where it is an olden F times UI convention and olden times filesystem limitation (e.g. SIXBIT< or RAD50) that caused the effective case folding.   Attempts= to supply similar behavior along with the bonus of some UC/LCo= support is what probably caused the mishmash of UC/LC supportr in latter-day DEC OSes.a  H It is better to compare DIFFERENT filenames as being different.   FoldedH cases in the filesystem (or filesystem support) code is a committee-typeF compromise, but not because of OS/filesystem design needs (like SIXBIT, might be),  but because of UI layer desires.   John   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:24:50 +0100 (MET).& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: xml and OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <200201140724.IAA13526@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Jakob Erber wrote:   >>> L Why should it now be usable? You mean: Are there XML tools for VMS? Correct? <<<n  I AFAIK is XML a a hypertext language (eXtended Markup Language) like html.lH So we need compiler, linker, editors, libraries ... Also there should be an OpenVMS XML toolkit present.    TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.026 ************************