0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 15 Jan 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 27      Contents: Re: Alpha Itanium Advertisment3 Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal 3 Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal " Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business" RE: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business" Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business" Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business" Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business" Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business Re: DCL (F$GETQUI) Problem= Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? P Evidence of external help required for a VMS reboot - was: Re: 17 years and stil) FAQ: Samba-VMS Frequently Asked Questions  Re: File sharing under VAXELN  Re: FTP Success/Failure? Re: Hand slap re subject lines1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC 1 Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC " Hooking up ExaByte 8900T tapedrive Re: https client apiE Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a P In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable execP Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable P Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable 	 IPO ALERT / Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? - Managing Multipath Fibre Channel device paths 1 Re: Managing Multipath Fibre Channel device paths  Re: Marx! Re: More info on Hp-Compaq merger ! Re: More info on Hp-Compaq merger P Natural language interfaces - was:Re: Younger recruits versus experienced vetera: Netscape from Hobbyist CD install fails - Access violation( Re: Northernlight to close public access( Re: Northernlight to close public access( Re: Northernlight to close public access OpenVMS advertisement  Re: OpenVMS advertisement  Oracle Migration Re: Oracle Migration' Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation ' Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation ' Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation ' Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation ' Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation ' Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation ' Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? + RE: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? + Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? + Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? + Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? + Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? + Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? + Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS? & Re: question about TCPIP cluster alias Re: Selling VMS licenses/ Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions / Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions + Re: TCPIP io status blocks on 64 bit alphas ' Re: TCPIP programming: $QIO vs C socket 7 Use VMS Part Of MONSTER.COM Support For VMS Marketing ? ; Re: Use VMS Part Of MONSTER.COM Support For VMS Marketing ? ; Re: Use VMS Part Of MONSTER.COM Support For VMS Marketing ? ( RE: VMS Marketing For the General Public( RE: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public( Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public) Re: why case independence came into being ) Re: why case independence came into being ) Re: why case independence came into being ) Re: why case independence came into being  Why VMS is the best! Re: Windows version of DCL? F Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:     The demF Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:     The demP Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: Thedemise of compaq )9 Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha 9 Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha 9 Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha 9 Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:37:04 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: Alpha Itanium Advertisment < Message-ID: <4cI08.464$rA.65322@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:niB08.29288$JF.268727@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...    ...    > Fortunately for all parties L > concerned, the NSK port was pretty well along, and Intel designed hardware  > lockstepping support into IPF.  L Perhaps not so fortunate for those who would have preferred more of a futureB for Alpha:  if the port hadn't progressed as far and/or IPF hadn'tJ incorporated lock-stepping, ditching Alpha would have been noticeably more
 difficult.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:30:09 GMT " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>< Subject: Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal2 Message-ID: <B5I08.6203$E82.18042@typhoon.bart.nl>  ' Since when does Kroatia run Usenet? ;-)    Hans  = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:L4m08.26078$JF.202537@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...  > @ > "Usenet Administration" <admin@ATEZTOD.AC.KR> wrote in message1 > news:fgghpo7q5rfa7jmlyycqq1ygyujehcb@4ax.com... 6 > > As many of you are aware, this newsgroup is slated4 > > for removal on January 31st, 2002.  The vote was8 > > taken at the end of last year, and there was a large2 > > marjority who wants to see this group removed. > > E > > If you are a regular reader, you need to make other arrangements.  > K > You're welcome to visit www.openvms.org and www.tru64.org for your Compaq ( > enterprise OS and product discussions. >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2002 22:14:31 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) < Subject: Re: comp.sys.dec, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal' Message-ID: <a1vl87$o3d$1@joe.rice.edu>   ! Hans Vlems (hvlems@iae.nl) wrote: ) : Since when does Kroatia run Usenet? ;-)  :  KR is South Korea, per:   /    http://www.nsrc.org/codes/country-codes.html %    International E-mail Accessibility   ? "Usenet Administration" <admin@ATEZTOD.AC.KR>" is someone known = as HipCrime, who attacks USENET newsgroups. HipCrime feels it B violates his free speech to fight spam, especially his, so attacks everyone else's free speech.  F Newsgroups in the Big Eight hierachy are added and removed by someone  at ISC.ORG.   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:51:47 +0000 < From: Andrew Swallow <andrew.swallow@eatspam.baesystems.com>+ Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business 6 Message-ID: <3C4344E3.1B7DEA25@eatspam.baesystems.com>   Don Sykes wrote: > J > First, no one using Unix or NT is going to consider VMS a better OS withB > case INsensitive filenames. I know there are those cov folks whoJ > disagree, but I think it would be a BIG plus if at least filenames couldH > convert one-to-one. Also, Unix style symbolic links must be supported.H > Hard links a-la "set file/entry=xxx.dat yyy.dat" are not sufficient. IG > could live without these things, but I know non vms people are always G > touting these deficiencies as examples of how old and out of date vms  > is. H > In fact if I had my way I'd create an OS that was a super set of VMS &H > Unix, where DCL & csh & ksh would all work just fine on the underlying	 > system.  >   0 One bug I am suffering from.  VMS will not write PC compatible floppy discs.   / In the end I managed to get the binary file out , using a PC emulating MSDOS but a simple copy2 to the built in floppy disc would be more natural. --  7 _______________________________________________________ + Andrew Swallow (7605) 2225   Cowes site, UK  andrew.swallow@baesystems.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:22:39 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>+ Subject: RE: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business - Message-ID: <0033000047814400000002L002*@MHS>    =0AMGPCX will do this.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET & Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:14 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET+ Subject: RE: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business      Don Sykes wrote: > H > First, no one using Unix or NT is going to consider VMS a better OS w= ith B > case INsensitive filenames. I know there are those cov folks whoH > disagree, but I think it would be a BIG plus if at least filenames co= uld H > convert one-to-one. Also, Unix style symbolic links must be supported= . H > Hard links a-la "set file/entry=3Dxxx.dat yyy.dat" are not sufficient=  IH > could live without these things, but I know non vms people are always=  H > touting these deficiencies as examples of how old and out of date vms=   > is. H > In fact if I had my way I'd create an OS that was a super set of VMS = & H > Unix, where DCL & csh & ksh would all work just fine on the underlyin= g 	 > system.  >   0 One bug I am suffering from.  VMS will not write PC compatible floppy discs.   / In the end I managed to get the binary file out , using a PC emulating MSDOS but a simple copy2 to the built in floppy disc would be more natural. --7 _______________________________________________________ + Andrew Swallow (7605) 2225   Cowes site, UK  andrew.swallow@baesystems.com=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:34:15 +0000 < From: Andrew Swallow <andrew.swallow@eatspam.baesystems.com>+ Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business 6 Message-ID: <3C434ED7.B2D6E740@eatspam.baesystems.com>   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  >  > MGPCX will do this.  > 4 Thank you.  I assume that MGPCX is a program, rather than a part of VMS.  --  7 _______________________________________________________ + Andrew Swallow (7605) 2225   Cowes site, UK  andrew.swallow@baesystems.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:01:40 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch> + Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business 4 Message-ID: <VA.0000051c.24ad8ed8@bluewin.delete.ch>  F In article <3C434ED7.B2D6E740@eatspam.baesystems.com>, Andrew Swallow  wrote: > WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  > >  > > MGPCX will do this.  > > 6 > Thank you.  I assume that MGPCX is a program, rather > than a part of VMS.  >  Yes, you can get it from  : http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?MGPCX    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:04:06 -0500 ; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> + Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business K Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB75004BC5BFB@rlghncst625.usps.gov>    You are correct, sir.      And among other places, 0 MGPCX can be found at Hunter Goatley's fileserv:: http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?MGPCX    6 Oh, and thank again Hunter, for this and so many other
 nifty things.    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET & Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:37 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET+ Subject: RE: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business      WILLIAM WEBB wrote:  >  > MGPCX will do this.  > 4 Thank you.  I assume that MGPCX is a program, rather than a part of VMS.  --7 _______________________________________________________ + Andrew Swallow (7605) 2225   Cowes site, UK  andrew.swallow@baesystems.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:37:07 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> + Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business ' Message-ID: <3C43A4CC.DE9DEF0E@fsi.net>    Andrew Swallow wrote:  >  > Don Sykes wrote: > > L > > First, no one using Unix or NT is going to consider VMS a better OS withD > > case INsensitive filenames. I know there are those cov folks whoL > > disagree, but I think it would be a BIG plus if at least filenames couldJ > > convert one-to-one. Also, Unix style symbolic links must be supported.J > > Hard links a-la "set file/entry=xxx.dat yyy.dat" are not sufficient. II > > could live without these things, but I know non vms people are always I > > touting these deficiencies as examples of how old and out of date vms  > > is. J > > In fact if I had my way I'd create an OS that was a super set of VMS &J > > Unix, where DCL & csh & ksh would all work just fine on the underlying > > system.  > >  > 2 > One bug I am suffering from.  VMS will not write > PC compatible floppy discs.  > 1 > In the end I managed to get the binary file out . > using a PC emulating MSDOS but a simple copy4 > to the built in floppy disc would be more natural.  ! Is there not freeware to do that?   : http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?MGPCX   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 13:38:07 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) # Subject: Re: DCL (F$GETQUI) Problem 3 Message-ID: <Xf5Y+iZdN6gV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <343f30ae.0201140649.7d29dcd1@posting.google.com>, SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) writes: > G > WARNING! Running any DCL queue-related command (like SHOW QUEUE, SHOW A                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^ D > ENTRY, etc.), will destroy your context if you are looping through)                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C > queues, jobs, or files. Use SPAWN SHOW ENTRY, etc., to avoid this  > trap!  >   C 	Thanks a bunch for this.  I had given up trying to figure out what  	was whacking my context.    				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:06:26 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> F Subject: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?> Message-ID: <mgL08.191342$pa1.53788976@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  F Just a quick one....my brain is tired and I've forgotten the answer...  J If the merger does not take place, is it a completely done deal with Intel3 and the future of Alpha outside of Compaq's hands??    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:59:11 -0500 / From: "Michael A. Foley" <mikiefoley@yahoo.com> J Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?/ Message-ID: <u473884b0fsj1e@corp.supernews.com>   G     I think only the lawyers know that for sure, but I'd hazard a guess G     that it's a done deal. EV8 folks are at  Intel now, along with some G     compiler folks. (Fortran I believe) Lots of other folks have gottenOD     the boot. I think Capellas cut the cord pretty well. API is goneA     so there's no Alpha biz there. Nope, I think that EV7x is thef     last hurrah.  ?     As far as VMS goes, moving to an IA-64 platform isn't a bads@     thing. I'm not too hip on the chip but it has the muscle andF     marketing of Intel behind it. I just wish Intel made a big deal ofA     VMS moving to IA-64 themselves. All that being said, it would B     be an interesting exercise to port the IA-64 version of VMS to?     an AMD Sledgehammer. (Very different 64-bit implementation)s<     Probably just a recompile by then based on comments I've"     seen on some IA-64/VMS slides.  A     In the long run, it's a better move for VMS to be ported to aeA     commodity platform. That leaves only selling the features andeJ     not a whole different architecture. It's an easier sell against future<     Sun and IBM offerings. Alas, I can only hope that CPQ/HP:     management sees it this way and markets the OS the way!     it has deserved for 10 years.u     mikeI                                           Former VMS Group system managerwD                                           Former CPQ & API marketing engineer      . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message8 news:mgL08.191342$pa1.53788976@news3.rdc1.on.home.com...H > Just a quick one....my brain is tired and I've forgotten the answer... >lL > If the merger does not take place, is it a completely done deal with Intel5 > and the future of Alpha outside of Compaq's hands??o >t >  >  >h   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 20:26:53 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?3 Message-ID: <7M4AYrC8jg4J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <mgL08.191342$pa1.53788976@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:H > Just a quick one....my brain is tired and I've forgotten the answer... > L > If the merger does not take place, is it a completely done deal with Intel5 > and the future of Alpha outside of Compaq's hands??m  I Compaq still owns Alpha and can do anything with it that they can afford.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:43:45 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>J Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?B Message-ID: <BHM08.670578$8q.53631281@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : "Michael A. Foley" <mikiefoley@yahoo.com> wrote in message) news:u473884b0fsj1e@corp.supernews.com...s >eI >     I think only the lawyers know that for sure, but I'd hazard a guessc >     that it's a done deal.  I One of the public Compaq statements in late June was that it retained thecL option to continue Alpha development should IA64 not pan out.  Of course, it could have been a lie...  I But that still leaves the question of whether resurrecting Alpha would be + *feasible* (rather than simply *possible*).h  -  EV8 folks are at  Intel now, along with someaI >     compiler folks. (Fortran I believe) Lots of other folks have gottenpF >     the boot. I think Capellas cut the cord pretty well. API is goneC >     so there's no Alpha biz there. Nope, I think that EV7x is thes >     last hurrah.  L The EV7 team is still at Compaq, the Alpha IP is still owned by Compaq (onlyL rights were sold - if indeed any real value was received for it - to Intel),L and we don't know whether any of the EV8 team that wanted to return would beJ free to under the terms of the deal.  (Hell, I don't even know whether theJ deal has ever formally been finalized:  at one point it was suggested thatI the FTC would at least scrutinize it before giving its blessing.  So it'saJ conceivable that Compaq could still back out completely if it decided to.)   ...   C >     In the long run, it's a better move for VMS to be ported to an >     commodity platform.a  I Leaving aside the question of whether that would be better, and the addedeK question of whether it would be better no matter how inferior that platformnK was, that is not what's occurred.  IA64 *may eventually* become a commodity J platform (if normal market forces based on merit prove weaker than Intel'sH industry clout), but it certainly isn't now, and there's at least a fair) chance that it will never succeed at all.e  *  That leaves only selling the features andL >     not a whole different architecture. It's an easier sell against future >     Sun and IBM offerings.  9 Let's see.  They can say "It's as slow as SPARC, but it'seI *industry-standard* slow", but it's not clear that this is an easier sell L than the current situation with Alpha (which is markedly faster than SPARC).F But against IBM they'll have to say "It's a lot slower than POWER, andL actually costs more to do the same job (because it takes three times as many? processor chips, POWER having multiple cores and all), but it's  *industry-standard*...".  K And for server farms, for at least the next 4 years there'll be the problem K that any given level of performance requires several times as much power asi well.n  I Now, if they're able to position XP against Solaris and AIX, they'll havevL its 'industry-standardness' as a selling point too.  But that doesn't do VMS8 any good, which was the original point under discussion.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:19:21 -0500g% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> J Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?, Message-ID: <3C439FB8.82E90BD2@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote:eL > If the merger does not take place, is it a completely done deal with Intel5 > and the future of Alpha outside of Compaq's hands??0    M Where there is a will, there is a way. Compaq still has the EV7 engineers anda0 that could help seed the team to resurrect EV8.   L The best way for this to happen though would be if Compaq were forced by theN government to retake Alpha from Intel. If Compaq were to do this unilaterally, it would anger Intel.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:35:08 -0500d% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>tJ Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?, Message-ID: <3C43A36A.9C8F2932@videotron.ca>   "Michael A. Foley" wrote: C >     In the long run, it's a better move for VMS to be ported to at >     commodity platform.    chip != platform.  -L Right now, there is no credible information about IA64 becoming commodity in the short/medium term.I There is indication that it will be able to outperform what Alpha will or0 could have been.  H The fact that Compaq has begun to make promises/concessions/garantees toK customers is a pretty good indication that Compaq knows very well that IA6452 will not beat Alpha's performance for a long time.      0 >      That leaves only selling the features andL >     not a whole different architecture. It's an easier sell against future >     Sun and IBM offerings. o  H The "commodity platform"  doesn't have much credibility when you compareC against IBM and SUN, both of which are highly succesful and rely onu proprietary architectures.  L Furthermore, one reason VMS is good is exactly becasue it was built around aL proprietary platform and proprietary computers made with quality components.  L Do you seriously believe that when Compaq has to build a Wildfire equivalentD with that IA64 thing that it will be a "commodity platform" ????????    L If VMS really wants to go "commodity", it should start to support stuff likeP USB because Compaq "commodity" gear won't be supporting stuff like serial ports.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:20:36 GMTg1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> J Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?' Message-ID: <3C43AEFC.32699BC4@fsi.net>e   JF Mezei wrote:f >  > "Michael A. Foley" wrote:hE > >     In the long run, it's a better move for VMS to be ported to a. > >     commodity platform.h >  > chip != platform.rN > Right now, there is no credible information about IA64 becoming commodity in > the short/medium term.K > There is indication that it will be able to outperform what Alpha will orl > could have been. > J > The fact that Compaq has begun to make promises/concessions/garantees toM > customers is a pretty good indication that Compaq knows very well that IA64n4 > will not beat Alpha's performance for a long time. > 2 > >      That leaves only selling the features andN > >     not a whole different architecture. It's an easier sell against future > >     Sun and IBM offerings. > J > The "commodity platform"  doesn't have much credibility when you compareE > against IBM and SUN, both of which are highly succesful and rely ont > proprietary architectures. > N > Furthermore, one reason VMS is good is exactly becasue it was built around aN > proprietary platform and proprietary computers made with quality components. > N > Do you seriously believe that when Compaq has to build a Wildfire equivalentF > with that IA64 thing that it will be a "commodity platform" ???????? > N > If VMS really wants to go "commodity", it should start to support stuff likeR > USB because Compaq "commodity" gear won't be supporting stuff like serial ports.   <rant>  > I know I'm the only one here who believes it, so no flames areE necessary, but if they had been hacking at "Emerald" as long as IntelyF has been hacking at IA64, I'll bet they'd still be building "VAX"-es -H with IA32 inside! Probably wouldn't have called 'em "VAX", though, maybe, some perversion of DEC 6000-610i or similar.  G ...and before anyone says it: It's a better than even bet that OVMS/IPF-E won't run on just any mobo/chipset combination. The same could/should E have been true for OVMS/x86: PALcode, chipsets, mobo requirements allNG dictated by OVMS - just like with VAX and Alpha. *THAT* would solve theBH shortcomings problems. Linux, *BSD, Solaris, etc. seem to work just fineG with the addressing scheme, so no show-stopping problems there. x86 has A the four processor modes (maybe not the RIGHT four, but...) so nodE insurmountable problems there that won't also be faced or overcome inl the IPF port...m  F Dunno. The excuses are wearing pretty thin the deeper we get into IPF.   </rant>a  8 We now return you to your regularly scheduled newsgroup.   -- I David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:15:01 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>iJ Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?5 Message-ID: <3C43C8E5.3DA1B3ED@swissonline.delete.ch>    John Smith wrote:u > H > Just a quick one....my brain is tired and I've forgotten the answer... > L > If the merger does not take place, is it a completely done deal with Intel5 > and the future of Alpha outside of Compaq's hands??w  H That was the question that I raised at the web seminar last November (or was it early December).   8 The answer (via email from Compaq's Gaitan D'Antoni) was  F "Yes, we plan to proceed with the port of OpenVMS to IPF regardless of! what happens with the HP merger."L     John McLean    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:24 +0100m/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>_Y Subject: Evidence of external help required for a VMS reboot - was: Re: 17 years and stil 4 Message-ID: <VA.00000518.24900562@bluewin.delete.ch>  E In article <3C430672.ACFAB67B@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote:a > Paul Sture wrote:t > > L > > In article <3C3E80E3.B08625A9@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean wrote: > > > Bob Ceculski wrote:n > > > ><K > > > > It been almost 17 years now I have been on VMS without an OS crash! N > > > > Started out on a PDP 11/83 running RSTS/E briefly without a crash alsoK > > > > then to Vax VMS 4.7 then to Vax VMS 6.0 then to Vax VMS 6.2 then torK > > > > Alpha VMS 7.1 ... I dare anyone in windoze or unix or linux land toaK > > > > claim the same!  I think this once again proves what OS is the most M > > > > reliable ... read this and weep windoze and unix users, oh, I forgot,v* > > > > you already are weeping ... sorry! > > >eN > > > Not quite Irish Railways because that was the same machine (or machines) > > > for 17 years...  > > >mD > > > I recall a year or two back hearing that Compaq had to teach a6 > > > customer's system managers how to boot an Alpha. > > > L > > > The sys managers with the knowledge had gradually been replaced over aH > > > period of time but since the Alphas didn't need rebooting, the newM > > > people never had the experience.  I guess that nothing had been changedNH > > > so the new peope had to learn about boot flags, the system startup$ > > > sequence and things like that. > > >CG > > I spotted an ad on www.jobserve.co.uk just after Christmas. It saidrG > > something like "Unix guru sought to supervise a reboot of a VAX/VMS_E > > Alpha system tomorrow". [snigger - don't you just love agencies?]wD > > Just a day or less of short notice work for big bucks in London. > > K > > (Sorry UK readers, I didn't spot it soon enough, or I would have passedR > > the info on.)f > ' > I saw it too, yeah lots of notice :-)E >iJ > If I'd been based the other end of the M4 I might have applied. However,K > this type of work does worry one somewhet. It might all be plain sailing,sG > or the system might be in a state where it's been running and fiddleduI > with for so long it won't reboot to the "working" state, which can onlyn@ > be defined by the business users in normal working conditions. > M Exactly. It could have been anything from an insurance policy they hoped not i to use to a major problem.  N John McLean mentioned in another post that he didn't like messing around with M the SYSMAN STARTUP files, and with good reason - we have both been initially aN baffled by a set of systems which use a "somewhat unusual" startup. Fine once @ you know what is going on, something of a nightmare before that.  M Another Compaq customer here told me that this style of startup was taken to nG fresh heights at his company, with C programs used to generate the DCL.D ___t
 Paul Sture Switzerlandb   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:58:33 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>r2 Subject: FAQ: Samba-VMS Frequently Asked Questions* Message-ID: <3C43BB1E.1000504@qsl.network>  ; The SAMBA-VMS Frequently Asked Questions List - 14-Jan-2002m   Index         Introduction-  -      General questions about SAMBA on OpenVMSr        Printing Issues        Miscellaneous        Future directions        Building SambaX     Changes since last edition  7      INTRO8.   Are you having problems Unzipping SAMBA?gI      INTRO9.   What SAMBA versions are known to be available for OpenVMS?!  #      BUGS1.    What are known bugs?(  2      SAMBA9.   What can be done to speed SAMBA up?B      SAMBA10.  Running TESTPARM gives: WARNING: lock directory ...?      SAMBA14.  Can I use SAMBA to backup my OpenVMS hard drive?^F      SAMBA15.  If I disable encrypted passwords, isn't that a security                risk?D      SAMBA16.  The SMBD program started running and then quit.  Why?A      SAMBA17.  I can not connect to SAMBA server from Windows NT.-H      SAMBA18.  I have SAMBA 2.0.3 and I can not seem to get SMBPASSWD to                work.F      SAMBA19.  I upgraded from SAMBA 2.0.3 to SAMBA 2.0.6 and the SMBD 	      server will not start.8/      SAMBA20.  Some filenames will not display..?      SAMBA21.  Physical device name do not work in SAMBA 2.0.6?rG      SAMBA22.  SAMBA will not start and I am running Compaq TCP/IP 5.1. 8      SAMBA23.  How many connections can I run for SAMBA?D      SAMBA24.  NMBD on SAMBA 2.0.3 crashes with an Access Violation.?      SAMBA25.  NMBD on SAMBA 2.0.6 hangs when there is a brokens                lanman ...C@      SAMBA26.  I am seeing an error: Failed to set socket option                TCP_NODELAY  =      PROGRAMMING1 - 5.  Miscelaneous programming information.t    C This is the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) posting for SAMBA-VMS.p  A It contains answers to frequently asked questions about SAMBA for > OpenVMS on the SAMBA-VMS mailing list, and a few other places.    ? Other internet FAQs are generally available in these locations:   1          comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups *          ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/...    0 This FAQ is archived in the following locations:    > Please do NOT send technical questions to the Frequently Asked@ Questions (FAQ) editor - well, please do not email any questionsC that do not also include the answer(s). Please post these questions @ to the appropriate SAMBA-VMS mailing list instead and see INTRO5? before posting. To make suggestions for changes or additions to D this FAQ list, please send mail to the FAQ editor at wb8tyw@qsl.net.  : Again, Please do not assume FAQ editor is in a position to answer general questions.f  B Although the editor of this FAQ is an employee of Compaq Computer A Corporation, this posting is not an official statement of Compaq.e  A If someone else wants to start maintaining this FAQ, feel free tow start issuing updates.       Some general notes:   @ World-Wide Web Universal Resource Locator (URL) notation is used for FTP addresses.  6 Many people have contributed to this list, directly or6 indirectly. Many people have contributed to this list,0 directly or indirectly. In some cases, an answer; has been adapted from one or more postings on the SAMBA-VMSe; mailing list or comp.os.vms. Our thanks to all of those whol8 post answers. The name (or names) at the end of an entry8 indicate that the information was taken from postings by> those individuals; the text may have been edited for this FAQ.? These citations are only given to acknowledge the contribution.R  > This contents of this FAQ are not to be considered an official; position of any companies whose employees have contributed.t  @ These answers are provided in the hope that they will be of use,( but there are no guarantees of accuracy.  ? Please also note that the current compiler of this FAQ has onlyf$ really used SAMBA 2.0.6 for OpenVMS.    1 All trademarks mentioned belong to their holders. ; DECUS, Pathworks, VMS and OpenVMS are trademarks of Compaq. = Microsoft Windows, and Microsoft Windows NT are trademarks of-
 Microsoft.( UNIX is a trademark of "The Open Group".     INTRO1.    What is SAMBA?  @      SAMBA is an open source suite of programs for communicating<      over the Microsoft NETBIOS protocols on TCP/IP.  It was@      developed originally by Andrew Tridgell who is still active"      in guiding SAMBA's evolution.  ?      For more information about SAMBA, see HTTP://WWW.SAMBA.ORGw  A      Licensing for SAMBA is covered under the GNU Public License.o  -      The SAMBA-VMS home page is currently at:n9      http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.htmlp  =      It is maintained by Eckart Meyer, who is responsible fore(      the majority of the SAMBA-VMS port.  ;      With out the hard work of Eckart Meyer, there probably(#      would not be a SAMBA-VMS port.E  ?      A port of SAMBA 2.0.6 is available on the OpenVMS Freeware       CD-ROM.  It's location is:   =      http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/FREEWARE50/SAMBA/   "      It requires a helper library:  A      http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/FREEWARE50/FRONTPORT/h       INTRO2.V   What is VMS or OpenVMS?t  @      OpenVMS is an Computer Operating System sold by Compaq thatB      is considered by many to be a superior operating environment.  B      The OpenVMS operating system has a reputation for reliabilityC      and security.  System uptimes can be measured in years.  It is 4      also well known as an cracker resistant system.  ;      A no-charge Hobby license for OpenVMS is available forr      non-commercial home use.a  G      For more information on OpenVMS, see http://www.openvms.compaq.com)  C      For more information on the Free Hobby license for OpenVMS seet&      http://www.montagar.com/Hobbyist/       INTRO3.h  0 What is the scope of the SAMBA-VMS mailing list?  =      The samba-vms mailing list is the primary news group forr'      OpenVMS specific issues for SAMBA.'       INTRO4.6  8 What other resources have SAMBA-VMS related information?  :      SAMBA for OpenVMS questions may show up in any of the7      OpenVMS forums, Usually the comp.os.vms newsgroup.s  <      ENCOMPASSERVE is a useful moderated forum that covers a8      variety of computer related systems including SAMBA>      for VMS.  It is run by volunteers from the ENCOMPASS U.S.      organization.  D      For information about ENCOMPASS see http://www.encompassus.org.I      For information about ENCOMPASSERVE see http://www.encompasserve.orge  ?      SAMBA can be used as a client on a system with a Pathworks.      server.  ?      Information on Pathworks, now known as Advanced Server foryE      OpenVMS can be found at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/pathworks.r  >      There is also a commercially supported SMB Client packageB      from Vector Networks called LanUtil32.  Information on it canA      be found by following the "related links" from the pathworksa      URL above.r     INTRO5.u  1 How do I subscribe to the SAMBA-VMS mailing list?i  @      Before answering that, you should be aware of guidelines on
      posting.i  ?      1. Please choose a subject title that accurately describesg         your posting.s  ?      2. Please list the version of OpenVMS, SAMBA, and the namea=         and version of the TCP/IP product that you are using. 0         Also mention any ECO or patches applied.  <         The exact name of the ZIP files used for the install         may also be helpful.  @      3. Mailing lists are generally plain text only.  No HTML orB         Rich Text formats please.  Also please turn off VCF cards.?         Does it have to be mentioned that graphics as signature          files are also bad?l  >      4. Please try to avoid attachments.  If you must place an?         attachment, if it can be read using a text editor, makee>         sure that the name of the extension is .TXT to prevent*         problems with some virus scanners.  ?      5. When replying to a post, verify the subject header, andz?         edit away any part of the message that is not needed toe%         supply context for the reply.e  B      Also before posting, it is generally a good practice to check?      the archives of the mailing list and the FAQ to see if thed(      question has been answered already.    ?      See INTRO6 for information about accessing the archives ofA       the SAMBA-VMS mailing list.  :      To subscribe to a list e-mail listproc@samba.org with7      "subscribe listname Your Full Name" in the messagetB      body. For additional information see http://lists.samba.org/.       INTRO6.e  ; How do I access the archives of the SAMBA-VMS mailing list?l    =      Go to http://www.samba.org then selecting a mirror site.e<      After which selecting the link to "archives" would giveA      you a page where you could access the mailing list archives.B  ?      For now, some of the mailing list archives can be found atb'      http://samba.cadcamlabs.org/lists/U     INTRO7.i  ? What versions of OpenVMS and TCPIP programs will SAMBA-VMS work  with?m  =      OpenVMS versions from 5.5-2 and later are known to work.d9      For VMS versions before 5.5-2 some versions of SAMBAh;      require the AACRTL060 kit, which is a component of them      DEC C compiler.  A      SAMBA 2.0.6 and FRONTPORT currently require at least OpenVMSlB      7.0.  FRONTPORT is missing the file fake_fcntl.obj_axp, whichC      prevents it from installing on an OpenVMS ALPHA 7.1 or earliero*      system, unless you have a C compiler.  :      SAMBA-VMS will work with any of the commercial TCP-IP)      programs that support UCX emulation.y  :      The Compaq TCP/IP products are known as either UCX or8      TCPIP Services for OpenVMS.  For non-commercial use;      they are available under the OpenVMS hobbyist program."  :      The Process Software company has MultiNet and TCPware3      products available for commercial and are also 2      available under the OpenVMS hobbyist program.  9      There is an experimental port of SAMBA-VMS using the/3      OpenCMU-IP TCP/IP program that can be found atb9      ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/ .  It is not supported 6      and there are no plans to enhance it further.  If4      you intend on using it, read the notes supplied      carefully.a  A      To recompile FRONTPORT on OpenVMS 7.3, the file grp.h in the ,      [frontport]directory should be renamed.     INTRO8.t  ( Are you having problems Unzipping SAMBA?  H      ZIP archives containing OpenVMS binary file formats (anything other2      than plain text) must be unzipped on OpenVMS.  ?      SAMBA 2.0.6 on ALPHA must be UNZIPPED on a current copy ofaE      UNZIP.  You can find it from the latest OpenVMS freeware CD-ROM.u  C      It is strongly recommended that only the UNZIP utility runningd0      on OpenVMS is used to decompress the files.     INTRO9.q  : What SAMBA versions are known to be available for OpenVMS?       SAMBA 1.9.17p4  E      I suppose that this would count as the only one that is not in al      "beta" test.   F      It requires clients to only use plain-text passwords.  No OPLOCKS      support for file sharing.         SAMBA 2.0.3 Beta  E      This is a newer version of the code, and may have some bug fixese      and protocl enhancements.  H      The filename conversions for ODS-2 were changed from SAMBA 1.9.17p4I      and support for encoding case sensitivity in the file names.  It mayh       or may not work with ODS-5.  I      The code was reorganized, but the restrictions of SAMBA 1.9.17p4 area      still maintained.         SAMBA 2.0.6 Beta  E      This is the latest known to exist.  It is running the SAMBA UNIXi)      source almost completely unmodified.f  8      It has implemented Oplocks and Encrypted Passwords.  I      The SMBD program can be run interactively for debugging, and the logm+      file can be redirected to SYS$OUTPUT:.m  F      It is basically feature and bug compatable with the UNIX version.     BUGS1.   What are known bugs?  1      These may be also covered in later sections.n  E      Windows 2000 and later may have problems with SAMBA for OpenVMS. B      These problems may be intermittant and not seen at all sites.  I      A buffer overrun bug was found in NMBD 2.0.6 that may affect earliereB      versions of SAMBA, if their TCPIP program does not report theF      interfaces back to their program, and you must code the interfaceD      address into the smb.conf file.  This bug does not affect SAMBA      2.0.6.:  H      There is a known bug in the OpenVMS C RTL with ftruncate() functionF      that may be should be fixed in an ECO for 7.2-1.  This will causeI      the SMBD process to go CPU bound when copying a file.  This bug does       not affect 2.0.6.  G      There is a known bug in the OpenVMS C RTL 7.2 and the Compaq TCPIPnH      5.0, and possibly the third party TCPIP programs that can cause theG      NMBD program to go comatose and enter a RWAST state when a stop ofeG      the process is attempted.  This is addressed in an ECO kit for thenG      OpenVMS runtime library.  I have only reproduced this problem on aoD      network with a Windows NT workstation that had a malfunctioning      browser process.o     SAMBA1.   + I get an error telling me I have no chroot.         You do not have one :-)  @      This is simply an informational warning and can be ignored.=      In a future build for OpenVMS chroot() can be aliased toi>      invoke chdir() for OpenVMS, so that this message will not      appear.  6      Note that "The Single Unix Standard" published byA      "The Open Group" lists the chroot() function as depreciated.n       SAMBA2.o  ' I appear to have a trapdoor gid system.n  G      OpenVMS does not support setgid().  There is no way to support it.a  @      This is simply an informational warning and can be ignored.  <      In a future build for OpenVMS, the setgid() call can be?      aliased to a local copy that just remembers the group that <      was attempted to be set, and the getgid() call alias to=      return that group.  This will eliminate that diagnostic.s       SAMBA3.i  9 Why are some files with double underscores not displayed?g  B      The issue with the double underscore has to do with how Samba@      VMS and Pathworks encode filespecs with characters that are:      not legal OpenVMS characters on an ODS-2 file system.  <      Characters that were not legal were encoded with a "__"8      followed by the Hexadecimal code for the character.  A      As part of this, under older versions of Pathworks, when you B      saved a file from a LANMAN client that had two underscores in?      it's name, the file on OpenVMS would end up with "_5F_" inb      it's place.  B      [This treatment of double underscores does not seem to be the)       case with Pathworks 6.0 and later.]C  B      The problem with displaying them is that when SAMBA-VMS looksA      up the file and converts/decodes it to a UNIX style name, if A      the double underscore is not followed by a valid pair of hexo"      digits, it is passed through.  C      Now what SAMBA-VMS does is read in the filename and convert ite@      to UNIX so that the UNIX based code can manipulate the file      specification.   B      Later SAMBA tests the filename with a stat() command multipleA      times after that.  For VMS that requires converting it back.r?      When the conversion routines sees the double underscore ittC      converts it to "_5F_".  In the case where the original file is =      "__" this results in a file not found error.  SAMBA thenc      ignores the file.  A      With ODS-2 naming limitations, when file names are convertedoA      by adding characters, it is not possible that the conversiono       will always work both ways.  ;      Another filename that is invisible to SAMBA is the VMSu<      specification ".;".  It is also invisible to Pathworks.       SAMBA4.i   What is ODS-1, ODS2, and ODS-5?t  D      ODS-1 is the name of the file system that is used on the RSX-11;      family of operating systems.  OpenVMS/VAX can use thisoB      filesystem.  IIRC: It is limited to one level of directories,A      and filenames are limited to 8 or 9 characters followed by ae%      period and another 3 characters.   F      ODS-2 is the name that VMS gives to the filesystem that is nativeE      to it.  Under it filenames are limited to 39 characters followed F      by a period, and then another 39 characters.  For versions of VMSC      prior to 7.2 there can be 8 levels of a primary directory.  IneF      addition 7 levels of rooted directories can also be specified, or$      concealed under a logical name.  B      For OpenVMS version 7.2 and later, there can be 255 levels of      directories.i  D      A complete ODS-2 file specification can not be greater than 255      characters.  <      ODS-3 and ODS-4 are CD-ROM filesystems according to the=      "Ask The Wizard" link at http://www.openvms.compaq.com .s  D      ODS-5 is new filesystem available for OpenVMS ALPHA version 7.2B      and later.  It allows longer file specifications and a larger      character set.5  D      [I have not tested any version of SAMBA on an ODS-5 filesystem,+       so I do not know how it will behave.]r       SAMBA5.    Did SAMBA-VMS crash my system?  F      Probably not.  SAMBA runs mostly in user mode code, and user mode'      code can not cause a system crash.P  F      There is one portion of SAMBA that currently runs in KERNEL mode,B      and that is when the computer changes the effective username.E      While an error in that section of code can cause a crash, it hasi8      been in use at quite a few sites for quite a while.       SAMBA6.   4 SAMBA stopped working after an OpenVMS upgrade, why?  ?      The component of SAMBA that allows the SMBD to change it'sA@      username while it is running needs to be linked against theA      system image.  See the instructions for setting up SAMBA andC
      re-link.   G      For SAMBA 2.0.6, that code is in the FRONTPORT image installation,LF      and should automatically relink after an OpenVMS upgrade if it is      needed.     SAMBA7.k  9 Why can clients not connect to my SAMBA server?  (Take 1)w  <      For Samba-VMS versions 2.0.3 or earlier the SMBD serverF      requires clients to be able to connect with plain-text passwords.  9      By default this is disabled for most LANMAN clients.c  8      Registry scripts to enable plain text passwords are=      available as part of the main SAMBA distribution if theyw3      are not present in the SAMBA-VMS distribution.t  9      SAMBA 2.0.6 for OpenVMS can use encrypted passwords.p  ;      The passwords must be set using the SMBPASSWD program.a;      Unfortunately the SMBDPASSWD program for 2.0.6 must beM!      run from the SYSTEM account.      SAMBA8.e  & What about Windows 2000 and SAMBA-VMS?  9      There are some fixes in the SAMBA 2.0.7 release thate4      addresses problems with Windows 2000 and SAMBA.       SAMBA9.   # What can be done to speed SAMBA up?o        Some general suggestions:  @      For COMPAQ TCP/IP or UCX, set the TCP protocol not to delay'      acknowledgements.  The command is: (      $ UCX SET PROTOCOL TCP /NODELAY_ACK  ?      You can try the DCL command SET RMS_DEFAULT/BUFFER_COUNT=Nr=      where N can be from 1 to 255.  This can also be set witho-      a SYSGEN parameter in MODPARAMS.DAT. ex:l  8      MIN_RMS_DFMBFSDK = 2 ! Sequential Disk file buffers    4      Many tuning problems will show up as CPU bound.  9      Do on all your disks, $SHOW DEVICE/FILES/NOSYS Dnnn:r@      Every time that you find the same executable file more than?      once, that file should be installed as a shared image witht>      the header resident.  This will get you a lot of physical>      and virtual memory back.  You may need to increase global3      pages and global sections to accommodate this.n  >      If you even suspect that an executable may be run in more;      than one instance, it should be installed.  The secondm=      activation of most executables that are not installed is       costly.  ?      This will also speed up the launch of your SMBD processes.e  :      Avoid all unneeded paging.  For this examine the peak;      virtual memory used by each process.  Adjust the quotan4      for working set extent to match the value seen.  >      Over allocating WSEXTENT will not hurt you unless you are"      very severely memory limited.  A      The SYSGEN parameter WSMAX may need to be increased for your ;      system.  Set it as high as AUTOGEN will allow with outa5      complaining about hurting working set expansion.r  9      This may cause more processes to swap out when idle.e<      If this impacts performance negatively, then you likely<      need more memory for your workload.  Of course the step:      above of liberally installing images will help there.  6      Your NPAGEDYN pool should be set so that there is:      300,000 blocks free with out any pool expansion while:      you are running under your full normal load.  This is<      contrary to what AUTOGEN will calculate, but is part of:      the documentation for the DECWindows-Motif and TCP/IP      products.  <      If you are running OpenVMS 5.5-2 and earlier, make sure4      that you have 1/3 free of the IRP, LRP, and SRP+      allocations, with out pool expansions.m    3      For SAMBA 2.0.6 turnning off OPLOCKs may help.   I      The Windows Explorer shell uses the file extension to determine whathE      type of file it is.  If the extension is one that Explorer knowsuG      that might contain an icon, when displaying the directory, it willeI      search these files for an icon to display.  There is a lot of oplock "      activity as a result of this.  E      The locking implemented in SAMBA for OpenVMS is the LOCKING-SLOW C      method.  It needs to be converted to use SYS$ENQW/SYS$ENQW butl&      that's a future programming task.    9      An untried suggestion from the SAMBA-TECHNICAL list:eC      Reduce the number of maximum open files permitted in smb.conf.         max open file = 600.        SAMBA10.   Running TESTPARM gives:H9 WARNING: lock directory /samba_root/var/locks should haveV% permissions 0755 for browsing to workm  >      Yes TESTPARM does this.  I have not found out exactly why0      yet, but you can safely ignore the message.       SAMBA11.  7 SMBD takes a long time to transfer a file, and high CPUt utilization is observed.  <      One cause of this has been traced to a bug in the DEC C8      ftruncate() function that has been confirmed by theE      Compaq Customer Support Center.  Versions of OpenVMS known to ber(      affected are OpenVMS 7.2 and 7.2-1.  7      The best workaround is to recompile SAMBA with outo#      HAVE_FTRUNCATE_EXTEND defined.u  A      Since the FRONTPORT library has been coded to avoid the bug,p4      I have not tracked to see if it has been fixed.  9      I have only seen this problem personally on ALPHA soo1      I do not know if it affects the VAX version.        SAMBA12.  % Samba is not starting after a reboot?t  :      You must make sure that SAMBA_STARTUP.COM is executed/      after the TCPIP$STARTUP.COM or equivalent.n  6      Also for TCPIP or (Substitute UCX if needed) make:      sure that the last statement in the SAMBA_STARTUP.COM      has the line:  #          $TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE SMBD   8      It appears to be needed because some of the logical9      names used in the service definition are not definedu*      at the time the TCPIP$STARTUP is run.#      [from a post by Jeff Campbell]l  8      It appears that the INSTALL.COM routine supplied by;      SAMBA 1.9.x-VMSn is needed to be run to set up logical 7      names that are needed.  It may be needed to be runx)      before the TCPIP program is started.a#      [from a post by Zane H. Healy]        SAMBA13.  ' Any issues with SAMBA in a VMS Cluster?   <      It has been reported that SAMBA works fine in a cluster9      when using common files.  Load sharing is a functiona7      of using TCPIP aliases and a DNS that supports it.a!      [From a post by Gus Bingham]u     SAMBA14.  0 Can I use SAMBA to backup my OpenVMS hard drive?  C      Not real well.  When you transfer a file by any method from anpF      OpenVMS system to a different system, the file attributes will be
      lost.  E      OpenVMS has many files attributes and internal formats that wills$      not translate to other systems.  C      Only files of an OpenVMS stream or fixed format likely will bel"      usable when transferred back.  C      If you use the ZIP program on OpenVMS to encapsulate the files F      before transfering them using the OPTIION to save the attributes,E      and then store the ZIP file, it is possible to restore the filesu1      later by using the UNZIP utility on OpenVMS.   ;      See the OpenVMS FAQ for more details on ZIP and UNZIP.d     SAMBA15.  = If I disable encrypted passwords, isn't that a security risk?o  F      Yes.  But you must consider how much of a risk.  It takes someoneB      that has a direct tap on the network to take advantage of it.  F      They also must have either a program to capture the passwords, or      a LAN monitoring program.  H      But basically the only additional risk is that the malicious personG      will gain passwords that can be used to attack other services like       TELNET and FTP.  C      But anyone with access to your network, and the skill level to2H      extract passwords from a LAN can already compromise your network in      other ways.  F      Encrypted passwords do not greatly improve local network securityD      for most civilian computer networks.  If you have that level ofG      concern, than you need more professional help than can be providedi      here in a free FAQ.     SAMBA16.  5 The SMBD program started running and then quit.  Why?   H      For current known releases of SAMBA for OpenVMS, the SMBD processesB      are started up from the TCP/IP dispatcher (Unix equivalent is      INETD).  F      After a period of inactivity with no connection, the SMBD process      will terminate.  3      There is one SMBD process for each connection.   D      The NMBD program runs as a detached process.  It will always beH      running.  When a browse request comes into the NMBD process, it mayC      cause a SMBD process to start up as they exchange information.   I      In the future, the NMBD program may also be launched from the TCP/IPf      dispatcher.     SAMBA17.  2 I can not connect to SAMBA server from Windows NT.  I      Windows NT and Windows 2000 require that the SAMBA GUEST VMS accountc?      exist, and must have permission to write into it's defaulteE      directory.  Of course this means that the default directory must8      exist.   <      Windows 95, and SMBCLIENT do not have this requirement.     SAMBA18.  ? I have SAMBA 2.0.3 and I can not seem to get SMBPASSWD to work.p  H      It is documented in the notes supplied with SAMBA 2.0.3 for OpenVMSH      that encrypted passwords do not work.  And this means that there is-      no point in using the SMBPASSWD utility.l     SAMBA19.  D I upgraded from SAMBA 2.0.3 to SAMBA 2.0.6, and the SMBD server will
 not start.        The error messages are:9 	"unable ot read file SAMBA_ROOT/VAR/PRIVATE/MACHINE.SID.p, 	 Error was can't assign  requested address"  ' 	"ERROR: Samba cannot create a SAM SID"IG      The old SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR.PRIVATE]MACHINE.SID file is not compatablepG      with the new release.  Delete the file.  SAMBA 2.0.6 will recreatev      it in the new format.     SAMBA20.    Some filenames will not display.  G      The name mangling algorithms in the various SAMBA releases are not7>      perfect.  Some names can not be tranlated bidirectionaly.  I      Some versions of SAMBA may have an issue with files created by otheriH      versions.  Particularly files with multiple dots.  Earlier versionsG      split the file from the extension at the first dot, later versionssI      split the file at the second dot.  This tracks a change in Pathworks B      behavior over the same period, but Pathworks still could readI      properly files in the older format.  SAMBA 2.0.6 should also be ableaH      to handle files in the old format, but will create files in the new      format.  E      With SAMBA 2.0.6, all filename handling is done in the FRONTPORTb
      library.i  I      It has been reported that SAMBA 2.0.6 has some problems with some ofAG      the characters that are eight bits in size.  [That is considered al	      bug]   H      The name translating part of SAMBA on OpenVMS has continued to be aF      source of pain.  To do it right incurs a high CPU or disk access,I      because SAMBA is looking up the UNIX version of the filename severald      times.   I      I have received a report where SAMBA 2.0.6 is not handling filenames I      with physical device names, but will handle Concealed Rooted logicale6      names.  [That is also considered a bug of course]  G      Earlier versions of SAMBA for OpenVMS have problems with concealed       logical names..     SAMBA21.  1 Physical device names do not work in SAMBA 2.0.6?a  D      They should work.  But I have one report that they did not, but&      concealed logical names did work.  H      I always recommend using logical names instead of physical name, as1      properly used it reduces system maintenance.e       SAMBA22.  8 SAMBA will not start and I am running Compaq TCP/IP 5.1.  )      This only affects new installations.a  3      The error message in the smb.log file will be:       FAULT.C*      "INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 10 in PID 1609       Please read the file BUGS.txt in the distribution."r      UTIL.Cb      "PANIC: internal error."i  ;      In the operator.log the following message will appear: E      "INTERnet ACP NOLISTEN Process creation success: Service - SMBD"h  (      "INTERnet ACP Activate SMBD Server"  F      The key is the Operator.log message, the SMBD process should be a      "LISTEN" service.  #      The SMBD_STARTUP.LOG contains:e  C      "Client_fd = -1"  This should be a positive number, usually 3.         and a stack dump:  A      "%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualV      address=xxxxx" )       SMBD PROCESS receive_message_or_smbu       SMBD PROCESS smbd_process        SMBD SERVER smbd_main"    H      The following fix needs to be added to the SMBD_SETUP_TCPIP.COM and&      possibly the SMBD_SETUP_TCPIP.COM        $ tcpip set service smbd -n       /protocol=TCP -T       /port=139 -o2       /flags=listen -   ! This is the change <<<<<       /user=SYSTEM -       /process=SMBD - .       /file=SAMBA_ROOT:[BIN]SMBD_STARTUP.COM -8       /log=(FILE:SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR]SMBD_STARTUP.LOG,ALL) -       /limit=100     SAMBA23.  ) How many connections can I run for SAMBA?r  I      The limit of 100 seems to be arbitrarily coded into the command file F      that sets up the service for Compaq TCP/IP and UCX.  Change it if      you need more sessions.     SAMBA24.  5 NMBD on SAMBA 2.0.3 crashes with an Access Violation?t  G      A bug was found when SAMBA 2.0.6 was being tested where NMBD could.E      do this.  I suspect that is the cause of the reported crashes inM      SAMBA 2.0.6.u  H      This bug is dependent on what TCP/IP program you are running and is-      present in the UNIX sources up to 2.2.x.   H      If you use the older NMBD, or upgrade your TCP/IP stack, or upgrade;      your NMBD to 2.0.6, any of these will fix the problem.e     SAMBA25.  F NMBD on SAMBA 2.0.6 hangs when there is a broken lanman browser on the network?  G      Get the latest Compaq C runtime library ECO and TCP/IP ECO to fix.qD      In the mean time disable the browser service that is defective.     SAMBA26.  = I am seeing an error: Failed to set socket option TCP_NODELAYi$      (Error protocol not available )  E      In 2.0.6, I was testing the different socket options, and missedtD      removing that one from the SMB.CONF before I made the template.      It can be ignored.t      
 PRINTING1.    Printing is not working? (take1)  @      Printing does need write access to a spool area.  Make sure>      that the logical name TMP is defined at the process level1      to be SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR], and not SYS$SCRATCH.S  @      Printing takes place in a setuid() section, and the logicalC      names in the GROUP and JOB tables are not visible to the code.o#      So SYS$SCRATCH is not defined.e      
 PRINTING2.  6 SMBRUN ERROR: Can't find smbrun. Installation problem?A      "Running the command '<print command from smb.conf>' gave 1"   >      The actual string value for SMBRUN that it is looking for>      can be specified in a header file, and then superceded in      smb.conf.  C      The 2.0.3 version of SAMBA uses the string SMBRUN as a default .      if nothing is specified in smb.conf file.  =      It is also noted that the 2.0.3 version of SAMBA-VMS mayn,      require the following line in smb.conf:  (      smbrun = /samba_root/bin/smbrun.com  A      You do not want to put a path in the smb.conf file, you wantA      specify a single name.a  C      That name must exist both as a logical name that points to theSE      command file and as a DCL symbol that defines a foreign command.a  @      The default installation of SAMBA-VMS should configure both      of these for you.  A      If the logical name is missing, the error message above will C      probably be generated.  If the symbol is missing, the printingsC      will not work, and other messages may or may not be generated.i      
 PRINTING3.  > Why does the job number displayed from SAMBA not match the one displayed by OpenVMS?u  @      The job number for a print job in OpenVMS is an UNSIGNED 32B      BIT LONGWORD, and can be any valid value for it.  It does not9      necessarily always increment in a predictable order.f      (Just usually does).e  B      The LANMAN protocol only allows 16 bits of this job number to>      be sent, and the UNIX SAMBA code uses the upper 8 bits toA      contain an SMBD Server instance specific number that maps toeC      the print queue.  It is not possible to 100% predict what thatm      number is.n  C      This leaves only 8 bits, for the print job number.  The numbertC      returned from OpenVMS or passed to the command files for being6E      processed is only the lower 8 bits, if your VMS print job numberu      is greater than 255.   B      It also means that the job number viewed from a LANMAN client(      will not match the local VMS value.  A      In a version beyond 2.0.7, the main samba team is re-writing E      this code, and I have not seen how this will affect OpenVMS yet.        MISC1.  A Can I run a VMS program by double clicking on it from a Microsoft  Windows shell?        Take a look at 9      http://www.danbbs.dk/~degnbol/software/rse-0.21.zip.   <      It is a Microsoft Windows shell extension, starting X11;      programs on SAMBA shares when they are double-clicked.e6      It does not use magic scripts, but rsh or rlogin.
      [Gunnar]y  =      [I have no idea if this will work with SAMBA-VMS - John]T     MISC2.  D How can I use SAMBA to access files on my home PC over the Internet?  J      If you want to access LANMAN or SMB protocols over the internet, thenH      you must either use a Virtual Private Network tunnelling product orH      build SAMBA with the OpenSSL option.  AFAIK, the OpenSSL option forB      the LANMAN protocols is only available between SAMBA systems.  I      Presently I am not aware of any version of SAMBA for OpenVMS that isc      built with the SSL option.N  G      LANMAN traffic of any kind should never be sent over the Internet.a2      There are documented security issues on this.    $      Also be aware of the following:  G      Do not ever allow your Cable Modem or DSL line to see any ethernet D      traffic that you do not want it to send out to outside network.  F      This means put a router or firewall, or other device between your@      ISP ethernet connection and any internal LAN that you have.  I      Do not ever rely the Internet Service Provider's equipment to do then      filtering for you.   A      Be a good network user and keep your internal broadcast typen2      ethernet packets off of the external network.  F      Do not put a dumb hub on a Cable Modem or other ethernet InternetG      connection.  It is bad for you and for everyone else on your cable 
      segment.      MISC3.  0 What is the issue with text files being mangled?  C      UNIX text files are delimited by line-feeds, and text files onpA      Microsoft platforms can be delimited in many different ways.e  I      There is no practical way for SAMBA to tell if a file being accessedeH      or created is a text file that should be converted or a binary file      that should not.f  G      This is an issue that no platform SAMBA runs on gets right 100% of 
      time.  F      If you are running SAMBA 2.0.6 release, the information on how toH      get SAMBA to automagically attempt to set your files to STREAM-CRLF6      is in samba_root:[docs]readme_vms_2_0_6_vms_0.txt  E      [As documented this currently does not work well for large files F       from Microsoft clients.  It does not seem to have a problem with        SAMBA to SAMBA transfers.]  B      You may have some luck with the SET FILE/attr=(rfm:stmcr) DCL
      command.c     MISC4.  2 How can I synchronize OpenVMS and SAMBA passwords?  I      No directly supported way exists.  However Jeff Morgan says he has aoG      OSU webserver script to do so for Pathworks that might be abled to3:      be modified. http://www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.html         FUTURE1.  - Is there a SWAT implementation for SAMBA-VMS?   D      Maybe.  The 2.0.6 port SWAT routine compiles and links cleanly.4      However no testing and debugging has been done.       FUTURE2.  5 Files get mangled by NOTEPAD and some other programs.p  C      This seems to be caused by problems in the ftruncate() or lackdB      there of in OpenVMS.  I am looking at various potential fixes)      for this and other related problems.        FUTURE3.  ; Directories with over 10,000 files are not fully displayed.   C      This seems to be a limitation in SAMBA-VMS where it can not do A      the required processing in time.  It may be a while for this       to be addressed.p      
 PROGRAMMING1.   C      I am assuming that those who venture here have experience withT2      programming and some UNIX utility experience.  D      Please see the archives of the Samba Technical mailing list for"      the most current information.  
 PROGRAMMING2.y  D      If you discover a bugfix or enhancement for the UNIX portion ofH      SAMBA, they would like the differences in the GNU DIFF "-u" format.8      GNU DIFF is on the OpenVMS Freeware 5.0 CD-ROM set.  D      You should obtain the current CVS sources for the UNIX SAMBA toE      apply the diff to.  These can be obtained from the SAMBA Mirror.   G      Mail this to SAMBA-PATCHES@SAMBA.ORG with a very good explainationr#      as to why the patch is needed.T  F      And make it clear where you got the sources from.  The SAMBA team0      is maintaining several development streams.     Additional Web Resources:   A      Mike Rylander has set up an archive of the CVS tarballs that 6      he tries to keep current.  It can be accessed at:$      http://home.incanta.net/~miker/    
 PROGRAMMING4.a  ! Samba Documentation uses DOCBOOK.c  &      Http://docbook2x.sourceforge.net/    " DOXYGEN documentation information.  %      http://samba.org/~mbp/samba-dox/ 5      http://samba.org/~mbp/samba-dox/group__file.htmlh   Samba Build Farm.         http://build.samba.org   " Common Unix Printing System (CUPS)        http://www.cups.org  L RSYNC - an open source utility that provides fast incremental file transfer.        http://rsync.samba.org/    
 PROGRAMMING5.l   Red Hat Package Module sources:A  &      ftp://ftp.rpm.org/dist/rpm-4.0.x/   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 15:22:10 -08000 From: pearsonb@windows-devel.com (Brian Pearson)& Subject: Re: File sharing under VAXELN= Message-ID: <7042227b.0201141522.5daa0cf2@posting.google.com>A  j djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) wrote in message news:<DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-RvOO7hTFjMTf@localhost>...A > On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:17:06, pearsonb@windows-devel.com (Brian n > Pearson) wrote:t > I > > I have a fixed-length record file that acts as a circular log which IbA > > cannot make shareable. I've tried every EPASCAL OPEN argumentfJ > > combination in the book but once the file is opened its cannot be readH > > by another process. I suspect the problem might be the result of theJ > > EPASCAL file handling (as opposed to the VMS-style file handling). Any8 > > ideas out there, to point me in the right direction. > >  > > Some background: > > G > > - Using EPASCAL in VAXELN system on remotes (very remote, no EDEBUGs > > sessions).I > > - Log process creates and opens the fixed-length record file and does 7 > > the logging. It keeps the file opened all the time. G > > - Other process would like to open the file for readonly access bute6 > > return status is always 'locked by other process'. > B > Just a quick question to make it clear. Are the two OPENs being H > excuted by processes (Jobs) on the same node or is DecNet and the FAL G > involved? I'm not back at work until the 9'th Jan so I couldn't look  6 > at my copy of the Docs or do any playing until then.     Thanks for the reply ...  A There are two processes (spawned by different jobs) on the remotetE (isolated ... no DECNet, etc) that OPEN the file. One process createsa? and writes to the file, keeping it open all the time; the othernB process, once in a while, opens the file and displays records to aB screen, and then closes the file. Its the second process that getsC back a status indicating the file (not records) are lock by anothere process.   Cheers, Brian Pearsoni   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 15:12:26 -0600G From: simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) ! Subject: Re: FTP Success/Failure?r3 Message-ID: <QVjUPqmwd8f2@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  T In article <3C42AEA6.8B16212F@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > G > FTP is *simple*. *Don't* expect the remote end to tell you the truth!o > J > There are no back verified CRC checks. How do you know the block sent is! > the same as the block received?c  G Nic, I don't understand what you are trying to say here. This statementlD comes across as you believe that FTP data is sent across the network= without _any_ error checking on the contents of the FTP data.x  K If that's what you are trying to say, then this is not correct, as althougheJ FTP itself does not do any error checking, the TCP level does checksum theI packet and throws it away if the checksum does not match. This applies toaI all data transmitted via TCP (as opposed to UDP) regardless of the highert* level protocol. The details are in RFC793.  H What I do think however, is that the checksum in TCP appears to be a lot% weaker than that available via a CRC.e  H I should also point out that link level protocols may also do additionalI checking of the packet. In the case of Ethernet that's a CRC. In the case2H of SLIP that's basically no error checking. PPP does have error checkingE builtin, but I would need to re-read the RFC to remember the details.A   > --  * > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot com    Simon.   --  G Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP       C+ Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:24 +0100R/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>l' Subject: Re: Hand slap re subject linese4 Message-ID: <VA.00000517.2490054e@bluewin.delete.ch>  H In article <3C41E2E8.3B4E90D6@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:n   [snip]  I > After so many recent hydra-like threads that branch into topics totallydI > unconnected to the subject heading, can I please ask that people try toeG > get back to the conventional netiquette of having a relevant title ona
 > their post.  > G > The situation right now makes it very difficult to decide which posts J > may be of interest to me, and I know that in future it will be difficultH > to search for a particular posting buried deep within an inappropriate > title. >tK Darn. I'd already read other pleas, but didn't concentrate on that posting.h  I > (As Larry K pointed out in c.o.v., many of the worst offenders are withB> > messages that are cross-posted, so here's the request to the > cross-postees.)  > ? I have noticed the traffic levels have increased markedly since @ the cross postings started and have been suffering from overload? myself. By way of example, since I never got my hands on a TOPSeA systems of any description, those threads are of limited interestc to me. > J > PS.  I'm not having a go at you Paul.  I assume it took more people thanD > you to change "Historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC" to a. > discussion about umlauts on keyboards... ;-) > # A valid complaint. No problem here.e ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:11:40 GMTn3 From: Christopher Stacy <cstacy@spacy.Boston.MA.US> : Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC. Message-ID: <usn987ck3.fsf@spacy.Boston.MA.US>  E >>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:14:34 +0000, Alan Greig ("Alan") writes:c  J  Alan> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 05:25:48 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>
  Alan> wrote:s  5  >>> "Paul DeMone" <pdemone@igs.net> wrote in message O  >>>> > In other words time flies like an arrow? (sorry, its an old and obscurei  >>> > AI joke)w  >>   >> =  >> Isn't it supposed to be "fruit flies like an arrow" ?????      Alan> Fruit flies like a banana  / In any event, it is hard to wreck a nice beach!.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jan 2002 01:28:50 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva): Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC2 Message-ID: <a200ki$2ep5$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  , In article <3C42B21E.ACD00E9E@videotron.ca>,' JF Mezei  <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote:e3 >> "Paul DeMone" <pdemone@igs.net> wrote in messageBM >>> > In other words time flies like an arrow? (sorry, its an old and obscurem
 >> > AI joke)   : >Isn't it supposed to be "fruit flies like an arrow" ?????   No, fruit flies like a banana.   -- a@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)t   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jan 2002 01:37:20 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva): Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC2 Message-ID: <a2014g$2et5$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  J In article <uxu08.71$na5.7552@news.xtra.co.nz>, AG <ang@xtra.co.nz> wrote:C >Note that you used proper names in all 3 cases to make your point.1  F It is indeed the fact that the capitalization of nouns in English does4 indicate that they are proper nouns. Except for "I".  @ English is full of rules like that. "All X are Y, except for Z".  9 Why is this one special? It's just another spelling rule.    -- o@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)o   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jan 2002 01:40:02 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva): Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC2 Message-ID: <a2019i$2f63$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  L In article <Snx08.171$na5.16335@news.xtra.co.nz>, AG <ang@xtra.co.nz> wrote:G >So? You can spell it the way you like, I could spell it the way I likelC >(capitalization-only changes please, no phonics changes:)). We caneE >still read and understand the text. The case-sensitive things won't.   I We can awlso reed and understanned mispelled words. Maybe filenamez oughtl% to be searched by their Soundex code?   2 http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/soundex/soundex.html   -- s@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)i   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jan 2002 01:45:14 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva): Subject: Re: historical evidence of what went wrong at DEC2 Message-ID: <a201ja$2f9c$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  L In article <0Dw08.146$na5.13643@news.xtra.co.nz>, AG <ang@xtra.co.nz> wrote:6 >"Peter da Silva" <peter@taronga.com> wrote in message- >news:a1t5ve$10jq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com... K >> I suspect that most people never notice whether their file system treatsoG >> "PETER" and "peter" as different files, and couldn't tell you if youv >asked.S  K >Now, that's getting totally ridiculous. Try telling that to your users whosE >have just typed in "peter" and come running to you complaining abouteG >the so and so system that, for some inscrutable reason, refuses to letl: >them access the same "Peter" file they have just created.  M In over 20 years as a programmer, system administrator, tech support guy, andoL just general "the guy you run to when things don't work" I have never to theJ best of my recall had anyone come running to me with that kind of problem.K Given some of the things I've had to explain to people, that's really quitet amazing.  M I *have* had a lot of people complaining that they can't access the web pages M they just uploaded with an "htm" extension because they typed "html" in theirmI browser. Or vice-versa. Plus "tif" versus "tiff" and "jpg" versus "jpeg".t   -- t@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	                                 WWFD?  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 14:29:21 -0800" From: horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn)+ Subject: Hooking up ExaByte 8900T tapedrive = Message-ID: <843706dc.0201141429.39ca52d9@posting.google.com>(  C Anyone have any problems hooking up an ExaByte 8900T tapedrives? We F have a new one that gets an error: 8D 00 00 when it is connected to anC AlphaServer 4/2100. When it is not connected it seems to boot fine.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:07:18 -0500a- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>  Subject: Re: https client api - Message-ID: <3C4364A6.F736BF65@bellsouth.net>s   James Gessling wrote:o > ; > This might do what you want.  There is a VMS version too.i >  > http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/ > M > We are trying to use it for some programatic client stuff.  The programmersw > seem to think  > it's pretty promising. >  > Jim  >  > Chris Sharman wrote: > 2 > > What are the choices of https client for vms ? > > K > > I've found lynx (which appears to do it), and fish (which appears to beuO > > unobtainable - www.free.lp.se is unreachable, although it's referenced from # > > various other sites & the faq).r > >-< > > We have to download files from an https web page hourly.O > > We have a script which someone wrote for us for ie, which does the job, butI  > > we'd like to move it to vms.I > > Is there an https client which we can easily script to run in batch ?t > >B
 > > Thanks > > Chris Sharmano    7 Although on the download page is says SSL = NO for VMS.r   --     Regards,  5 Michael Austin  -- Available for consulting services. 7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comt President/Sr. DBA Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)S 704-236-4377 (Mobile)p   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 14:27:27 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)rN Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a3 Message-ID: <A2m2+QCeJ92Q@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  _ In article <3C433CF9.8F428B34@oracle.com>, norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> writes:o  @ > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685  A Hey Norm... 610 is a Philadelphia area exchange.  Since when did d Oracle RDB switch coasts?    				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:08:41 -0000e3 From: "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> Y Subject: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable execr. Message-ID: <a1vdn9$ja9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>   Hi,e  L Wonder if any of you guys out there can tell me how to answer this question?  E In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine thec current.H version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE, as this will tell meL what version of Motif is being used. Sure, I could just open up the EXE file andlI read the version information from the file, but is there a better method?s	 Can I useiC LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to retrieve this information? (Just guessing)S  K At present I have a work-around using SYS$UPDATE:DECW$GET_IMAGE_VERSION (oru its I ABSENCE, if it is a really old system...) to work it out at compile-time. 
 But havingA the ability to deduce this dynamically would be much more useful.r  ( The language in use is C, if that helps.   Thanks,o	 -Malcolm.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:18:01 -0500s2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>Y Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable n* Message-ID: <3C433CF9.8F428B34@oracle.com>  % For the least unsupported method, I'd $ be tempted to open the file and read, the EIHD/IHD and EIHI/IHI and parse/display ) the contents of IHI$S_IMGID/EIHI$S_IMGID. & Note that the format of the image file' differs between vax and alpha too.  Geta& a copy of the VMS listings CD and look& at the code in the ANAL/IMAGE command.   Malcolm wrote: >  > Hi,p > N > Wonder if any of you guys out there can tell me how to answer this question? > G > In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine the 	 > currentlJ > version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE, as this will tell meN > what version of Motif is being used. Sure, I could just open up the EXE file > andbK > read the version information from the file, but is there a better method?n > Can I usepE > LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to retrieve this information? (Just guessing)E > M > At present I have a work-around using SYS$UPDATE:DECW$GET_IMAGE_VERSION (orm > its K > ABSENCE, if it is a really old system...) to work it out at compile-time.i > But havingC > the ability to deduce this dynamically would be much more useful.  > * > The language in use is C, if that helps. > 	 > Thanks,e > -Malcolm.p   -- i> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:06:47 -0000t/ From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>bY Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable n/ Message-ID: <u46i37a9aq3r4f@corp.supernews.com>h  2 Malcolm <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:C : In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determinedD : the current version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE, asA : this will tell me what version of Motif is being used. Sure, I aB : could just open up the EXE file and read the version information. : from the file, but is there a better method?  > You could use $analyze/image/header SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE' and parse the output for what you need.a    * : The language in use is C, if that helps.  > In C, you could use system() to do the work.  It's not exactly@ speedy, but it is very simple and useful for things you won't be doing frequently./   -- 2 -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:43:24 GMTm= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)hY Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable )0 Message-ID: <00A080A3.0C5D972B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <a1vdn9$ja9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes: >Hi, > M >Wonder if any of you guys out there can tell me how to answer this question?- >-F >In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine the >currentI >version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE, as this will tell megM >what version of Motif is being used. Sure, I could just open up the EXE filee >andJ >read the version information from the file, but is there a better method?
 >Can I useD >LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to retrieve this information? (Just guessing)   Hmm...  Let's see.  G I would jump into EXEC mode ($CMEXEC) and find the listhead of ICB/IMCBaG data structures (IAC$GL_IMAGE_LIST).  I'd check the image name with thetH image name you are looking for using the counted ascii string located atH I(M)CB$T_IMAGE_NAME in the elements in the IAC$GL_IMAGE_LIST queue.  If/E When I find that structure, I would then find the image ID offset at dF (E)IHD$(W/L)_IMGIDOFF and reference the image ident string (a counted   ascii string) at (E)IHI$T_IMGID.  < That's what I would do.  I don't know if you'll do the same.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbeso   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:07:05 -0000P3 From: "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> Y Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable u. Message-ID: <a1vkla$7cd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A080A3.0C5D972B@SendSpamHere.ORG...: > In article <a1vdn9$ja9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm"+ <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes:t > >Hi, > > E > >Wonder if any of you guys out there can tell me how to answer this 	 question?a > >eH > >In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine the
 > >currentK > >version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE, as this will tell merJ > >what version of Motif is being used. Sure, I could just open up the EXE file > >andL > >read the version information from the file, but is there a better method? > >Can I useF > >LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to retrieve this information? (Just guessing) >2 > Hmm...  Let's see. > I > I would jump into EXEC mode ($CMEXEC) and find the listhead of ICB/IMCBeI > data structures (IAC$GL_IMAGE_LIST).  I'd check the image name with theiJ > image name you are looking for using the counted ascii string located atJ > I(M)CB$T_IMAGE_NAME in the elements in the IAC$GL_IMAGE_LIST queue.  If/F > When I find that structure, I would then find the image ID offset atG > (E)IHD$(W/L)_IMGIDOFF and reference the image ident string (a counted " > ascii string) at (E)IHI$T_IMGID. >h> > That's what I would do.  I don't know if you'll do the same. >r; Oh. Other thing... a non-privileged solution would be best.w  L Would I be correct in assuming that the OS will not give you ready access to thisI information because it might reveal details that you shouldn't know aboutl execute-only shareable images/images?   Hmmm.h  I Or is there an X Windows call to do this? Return the version of the MotifCG client libraries? Time to read the Motif manuals; maybe I've been goingi around this the wrong way...  	 -Malcolm.    > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >sK >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fieryrK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbess   >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:28:27 GMTv= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)iY Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable m0 Message-ID: <00A080A9.571AA3B8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <a1vkla$7cd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes: >CK >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messagee+ >news:00A080A3.0C5D972B@SendSpamHere.ORG...l; >> In article <a1vdn9$ja9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm"o, ><malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes: >> >Hi,t >> >F >> >Wonder if any of you guys out there can tell me how to answer this
 >question? >> >I >> >In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine the  >> >currentnL >> >version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE, as this will tell meK >> >what version of Motif is being used. Sure, I could just open up the EXE  >filee >> >andoM >> >read the version information from the file, but is there a better method?u
 >> >Can I usenG >> >LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to retrieve this information? (Just guessing)h >> >> Hmm...  Let's see.  >>J >> I would jump into EXEC mode ($CMEXEC) and find the listhead of ICB/IMCBJ >> data structures (IAC$GL_IMAGE_LIST).  I'd check the image name with theK >> image name you are looking for using the counted ascii string located atyK >> I(M)CB$T_IMAGE_NAME in the elements in the IAC$GL_IMAGE_LIST queue.  If/nG >> When I find that structure, I would then find the image ID offset atcH >> (E)IHD$(W/L)_IMGIDOFF and reference the image ident string (a counted# >> ascii string) at (E)IHI$T_IMGID.  >>? >> That's what I would do.  I don't know if you'll do the same.  >>< >Oh. Other thing... a non-privileged solution would be best. >MM >Would I be correct in assuming that the OS will not give you ready access toa >thisnJ >information because it might reveal details that you shouldn't know about
 >execute-onlyn >shareable images/images?0  G I don't know that it's so much a security concern as it is a protection,F from outer mode code mucking up the image activator data structures.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            lJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesa   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:18:57 +0000-4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>Y Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable g8 Message-ID: <udp64u4gtmjn40gc38km7m3ri16ti87k9q@4ax.com>  - On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:07:05 -0000, "Malcolm"m* <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:  J >Or is there an X Windows call to do this? Return the version of the Motif >client libraries?  F I'm about 99% sure there is.  Check carefully some "functions" are notA simply compile-time defines, though - if you really need run-timee information, that is.	  6 >Time to read the Motif manuals; maybe I've been going >around this the wrong way...r  L You know some of the manuals have been falling off the doc sets, I presume ?$ (Usually the ones you most want :-))   	John    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:37:41 -0000t3 From: "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk>lY Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable t. Message-ID: <a1vpv6$rmo$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>  A "John Laird" <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in messaget2 news:udp64u4gtmjn40gc38km7m3ri16ti87k9q@4ax.com.../ > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:07:05 -0000, "Malcolm" , > <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > L > >Or is there an X Windows call to do this? Return the version of the Motif > >client libraries? > H > I'm about 99% sure there is.  Check carefully some "functions" are notC > simply compile-time defines, though - if you really need run-time- > information, that is.  >aD Yes, it's run-time information I want. I already have a compile-time solution usingG SYS$UPDATE:DECW$GET_IMAGE_VERSION, which seems to work OK with a bit ofc DCL...  8 > >Time to read the Motif manuals; maybe I've been going > >around this the wrong way...: >SL > You know some of the manuals have been falling off the doc sets, I presume ?i& > (Usually the ones you most want :-))  K Hmmm. I noticed that the documentation on the web site looks pretty thin onnF the ground. Maybe I should get round to reading that Motif Programming Manual I' bought because it was going cheap... ;)o  	 -Malcolm./   >n > John   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:55:05 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable -. Message-ID: <J5L08.16$PZ4.94@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <a1vdn9$ja9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes:  F :In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine the> :current version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE...A :...Sure, I could just open up the EXE file and read the version 1; :information from the file, but is there a better method?  t  H   There is no general documented and supported method for retrieving theF   version information from the image header -- there are various quiteD   undocumented hacks around, however.  The SRH_EXAMPLES area of the G   Freeware likely has at least one.  These tools will be broken during     the OpenVMS port to Itanium.  D   In the specific case of X Windows, I'd look around for a call thatD   can retrieve X Windows version information -- I do not know if oneD   exists off-hand, but there are enough X calls around that it would   be worth a look.  > :Can I use LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to retrieve this information?     No.m  L :At present I have a work-around using SYS$UPDATE:DECW$GET_IMAGE_VERSION (orN :its ABSENCE, if it is a really old system...) to work it out at compile-time.M :But having the ability to deduce this dynamically would be much more useful.i  E   Looking inside images and even knowing which images you should look"D   into can really get ugly from a long-term support perspective, do F   you really need to do this?  (We're in the midst of overhauling some5   of the X Windows support right now, but I digress.)t  E   In the case of X Windows, the image identification version display 0E   format is not something I would particularly choose to depend on --uE   while I know of no present plans to change the format, the current oH   date-based format for the identification string is sufficiently weird D   and code dependencies on it are sufficiently undocumented that it )   might well see some changes.  Sometime.n  G   I usually prefer to use PCSI prerequsite checks and sometimes to just-G   ask the user a question -- when I can't get the code to be completelytE   compatible across versions, and when I can't establish prerequisiteA   product requirements.s  8   What particular API difference(s) are you considering?   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:53:07 GMT-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>eY Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable a' Message-ID: <3C43A88C.7C1DE9C0@fsi.net>c   Hoff Hoffman wrote:e > f > In article <a1vdn9$ja9$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > H > :In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine the@ > :current version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE...B > :...Sure, I could just open up the EXE file and read the version; > :information from the file, but is there a better method?. > J >   There is no general documented and supported method for retrieving the- >   version information from the image header4  H Another VMS wish list item: a documented/supported method to retrieve anC image IDENT string. This one's been floating around for a good longf
 time, too.   -- A David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 15 JAN 2002 04:03:15 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)Y Subject: Re: In an executable, how do I retrieve the version information for a shareable  6 Message-ID: <15JAN02.04031567@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  K In a previous article, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:e -> eN ->Wonder if any of you guys out there can tell me how to answer this question? -> oG ->In an X Windows application, I would like to be able to determine thes	 ->currenteJ ->version information for SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE, as this will tell meN ->what version of Motif is being used. Sure, I could just open up the EXE fileO ->and read the version information from the file, but is there a better method?   E There's a macro routine from '87 that does this. I found this in MarktD London's "Bulletin" utility in the file ALLMACS_AXP.MAR (I still use  Bulletin to read this newgroup):  ' 	.TITLE	READ_HEADER - Read Image HeaderD 	.IDENT	/1-001/S  A ; This subroutine returns the image identification and link time.o ;a	 ; Format:i ; ; ;   status.wlc.v = READ_HEADER( ident.wt.ds [,time.wt.ds] )  ;h
 ; Parameters:  ;h( ;   ident	The image identification text. ;n+ ;   time	The image link time (text format).-     ;   Date	By		Comments0H ;  4/10/87	D.E. Greenwood	Originally written by John Miano, 24-June-19864 ;				obtained from April 87 DECUS L&T Sig Newsletter 	.LIBRARY	"SYS$LIBRARY:LIB"b   	$DSCDEF	 	$EIHDDEF3	 	$EIHIDEF4 	$SSDEFo   ; Argument pointer offsets    	$OFFSET 4,POSITIVE,<IDENT,TIME>  ) 	.PSECT READ_HEADER, RD, NOWRT, EXE, LONGn: 	.ENTRY READ_HEADER, ^M< R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R7, R8, R11 >  2 	CMPL	(AP),#1 		; Make sure that there is at least6 	BGEQ	ENOUGH_ARGUMENTS	;  one argument to this routine 	MOVL	#SS$_INSFARG, R0 	RET   ENOUGH_ARGUMENTS:.  & ; Get the identification of the image.  < 	MOVL	@#CTL$GL_IMGHDRBF, R11	; R11 - Address of image buffer0 	MOVL	(R11), R6		; R6  - Address of image header   	MOVL	EIHD$L_IMGIDOFF(R6), R7h/ 	MOVAB	(R6)[R7], R7		; R7 - Address of ID BlockR  4 	CVTBL	EIHI$T_IMGID(R7),R0	; Length of the ID string 	MOVL	IDENT(AP), R8e' 	MOVC5	R0, <EIHI$T_IMGID+1>(R7), #32, -e& 		DSC$W_LENGTH(R8), @DSC$A_POINTER(R8)   	CMPL	(AP), #2 	BGEQ	RETURN_TIME  	MOVZBL	#1, R0 	RET   RETURN_TIME:  ; ; Get the time the image was linked and convert it to ASCII    	$ASCTIM_S - 		TIMBUF=@TIME(AP), -Y 		TIMADR=EIHI$Q_LINKTIME(R7)   	RET END   G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisone2 --                      karcher@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jan 2002 04:12:36 -0000* From: "Mag Net News" <MAG@lb.bcentral.com> Subject: IPO ALERT( Message-ID: <1011067956.45612.qmail@ech>  / Porn Company Goes Public, Buy stock in Sex IPO!   7 Jade Entertainment Group, Inc. Is Proud To Announce Thea Initial Public Offering Of JENTR   500,000 shares of common stock   Find Out More Here:a http://www.jadegrp.com/ipo/g    G _______________________________________________________________________s Powered by List Buildera To unsubscribe follow the link:lb http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=11414&subid=9B22CB638F718E16&msgnum=15   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:37:42 GMTl* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>8 Subject: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?< Message-ID: <GcI08.468$rA.65847@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  7 Just a question to the assembled masses on comp.os.vms.   = I used to have a "basic" membership in DECUS (the non-paying y> one) and I don't recall it being of much value other than just= something to have and I think it gave me the ability to vote.   + When DECUS morphed into ENCOMPASS I renewed-< my membership (it was free so why not....) with the eventual7 goal of actually paying for it when I had the spare $$.j  9 Well..... I appear to have let my membership in Encompassr; lapse last June (I didn't notice since I get so much CompaqSI related junk already it's hard to tell what was the result of Encompass) aC and I've now received a notice from Encompass saying it'll cost me  @ $$ to renew it, which appears to be TWICE what is was last year 0 when I contemplated actually paying for it......  > No mention of any free membership options in the message......< (though the web site mentions an "Associate" membership that6 doesn't cost any money but asks WAY too many questions) that I don't think they need to know....)m  F So..... if I sign up for the "Associate" membership...... will I still? be eligible for the VMS Hobbyist licenses ? It's not mentioned  @ anywhere that I can see..... & that's the only value, right now,< that I can see in an Encompass membership for an individual.  . Just wondering what other people thought......   -Andy- -- t   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 15:51:29 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)f< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?3 Message-ID: <44Zc5mrwjCfu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <GcI08.468$rA.65847@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes:e  @ > No mention of any free membership options in the message......> > (though the web site mentions an "Associate" membership that8 > doesn't cost any money but asks WAY too many questions+ > that I don't think they need to know....)n > H > So..... if I sign up for the "Associate" membership...... will I stillA > be eligible for the VMS Hobbyist licenses ? It's not mentioned eB > anywhere that I can see..... & that's the only value, right now,> > that I can see in an Encompass membership for an individual.  B    Notes on Encompasserve took pains to point out that there is noG    "Associate Membership".  There is "Associate" which is not a member.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:23:15 -0500f( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?, Message-ID: <3C437673.3050802@tsoft-inc.com>   Andy Stoffel wrote:e  9 > Just a question to the assembled masses on comp.os.vms.i > ? > I used to have a "basic" membership in DECUS (the non-paying s@ > one) and I don't recall it being of much value other than just? > something to have and I think it gave me the ability to vote.  > - > When DECUS morphed into ENCOMPASS I renewedM> > my membership (it was free so why not....) with the eventual9 > goal of actually paying for it when I had the spare $$.X > ; > Well..... I appear to have let my membership in Encompass_= > lapse last June (I didn't notice since I get so much CompaqyK > related junk already it's hard to tell what was the result of Encompass) EE > and I've now received a notice from Encompass saying it'll cost me nB > $$ to renew it, which appears to be TWICE what is was last year 2 > when I contemplated actually paying for it...... > @ > No mention of any free membership options in the message......> > (though the web site mentions an "Associate" membership that8 > doesn't cost any money but asks WAY too many questions+ > that I don't think they need to know....)  > H > So..... if I sign up for the "Associate" membership...... will I stillA > be eligible for the VMS Hobbyist licenses ? It's not mentioned ?B > anywhere that I can see..... & that's the only value, right now,> > that I can see in an Encompass membership for an individual. > 0 > Just wondering what other people thought...... >  > -Andy- >   E I haven't re-newed, yet.  The $99 yearly fee seemed to come out at a aG very bad time, while there was (and still is) significant outrage over uI the killing of EV8.  It did not, and still doesn't, leave me caring much  D about an organization that has drifted far from VMS being it's main F focus.  Don't know what I'm going to do long term.  The hobby license J isn't a major issue for me since I still have the CSA membership for such.  F I think the $$ issue is indicative of Encompass moving away from what H the Decus of old was all about.  I don't think I'll participate for the C next while until I see where things are going.  Some will say that kG without being a member and voting I cannot complain if Encompass isn't 0G what I want it to be.  I did vote before the membership expired.  I'll . wait to see what happens.a   Dave   -- .4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:51:39 GMT>/ From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)u< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?9 Message-ID: <3c43983a.131070675@news.directvinternet.com>u  F I think I will be letting my membership lapse and when the time comes,F begrudgingly convert my AlphaStation 200/233 back to WinNT (or perhapsF Win2K).  For this individual member, $79.00/year is too much to add to	 my hobby.A  B As far as I can tell, the Associate level does not qualify for the Hobby license.   Stevee  F On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:37:42 GMT, "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote:  8 >Just a question to the assembled masses on comp.os.vms. >t> >I used to have a "basic" membership in DECUS (the non-paying ? >one) and I don't recall it being of much value other than justE> >something to have and I think it gave me the ability to vote. >', >When DECUS morphed into ENCOMPASS I renewed= >my membership (it was free so why not....) with the eventualn8 >goal of actually paying for it when I had the spare $$. >i: >Well..... I appear to have let my membership in Encompass< >lapse last June (I didn't notice since I get so much CompaqJ >related junk already it's hard to tell what was the result of Encompass) D >and I've now received a notice from Encompass saying it'll cost me A >$$ to renew it, which appears to be TWICE what is was last year X1 >when I contemplated actually paying for it......r > ? >No mention of any free membership options in the message......l= >(though the web site mentions an "Associate" membership thate7 >doesn't cost any money but asks WAY too many questions * >that I don't think they need to know....) >iG >So..... if I sign up for the "Associate" membership...... will I stille@ >be eligible for the VMS Hobbyist licenses ? It's not mentioned A >anywhere that I can see..... & that's the only value, right now,5= >that I can see in an Encompass membership for an individual.  >O/ >Just wondering what other people thought......h >e >-Andy-t >--  >  >i   Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MA. StevenU@POBoxes.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:01:17 GMT * From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?C Message-ID: <1YM08.283203$m05.23702850@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>i  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:44Zc5mrwjCfu@eisner.encompasserve.org...-M > In article <GcI08.468$rA.65847@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Andy Stoffel"e <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes:R >IB > > No mention of any free membership options in the message......@ > > (though the web site mentions an "Associate" membership that: > > doesn't cost any money but asks WAY too many questions- > > that I don't think they need to know....)o  D >    Notes on Encompasserve took pains to point out that there is noI >    "Associate Membership".  There is "Associate" which is not a member.i  G Which, apparently, is why it is mentioned under "Membership Categories"9> on the page: http://www.encompassus.org/membership/join.html ?  I It would be nice to know what being an "Associate" un-member of Encompasso= gets you since all I see is the following (and a signup form)a  D   "Associates receive core Encompass value, although you do not haveH   voting privileges or select other benefits available only to members."   [rant]  > I did find the brief discussion on DECUServe about this topic.B Looks like it's too late to complain now..... especially about theC fact that it is mentioned there only that if you had renewed BEFORE > Dec 31st you would have another year before you have to pay...  C and digging through old e-mail I've figured out why I didn't noticeaA that it had expired.... because I didn't receive any notificationn8 AND I missed the message (which was about CETS2001 which> I wasn't able to go to & didn't bother reading messages about)7 that says my Encompass membership ID # was changed (butrH which said nothing about it expiring 2 weeks after that) and I continuedC to receive messages (including ones asking me to vote...) well into,7 December that didn't mention an expired membership.....   > Me thinks the decks were stacked against me.... which makes it@ easier to decide to NOT pay this time around..... there are muchE better ways to spend $90. (which is a shame since I was quite willing % to pay last year's smaller amount...)e   [/rant]e   Well... I feel better %-).   -Andy-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:25:17 GMTt2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?@ Message-ID: <xiN08.6371$WM6.1331740@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>  0 Steven P. Underwood <StevenU@poboxes.com> wrote:D > As far as I can tell, the Associate level does not qualify for the > Hobby license.  5 I thought this was the whole purpose for it existing!n   	Zanee   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:57:27 -0600 (CST)F From: sms@antinode.org< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?) Message-ID: <02011421572720@antinode.org>I  / From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood).  H > I think I will be letting my membership lapse and when the time comes,H > begrudgingly convert my AlphaStation 200/233 back to WinNT (or perhapsH > Win2K).  For this individual member, $79.00/year is too much to add to > my hobby.p > D > As far as I can tell, the Associate level does not qualify for the > Hobby license.  E    It would be nice to get an authoratative statement on what will be H required to maintain a VMS Hobbyist license.  I just got a reminder thatH my Encompass membership will be dying at the end of June, and suggestingF that I pay "only" $79 by the end of January.  $79/year looks like lessH of a bargain than the $0/year I have been paying for the sole purpose of0 qualifying for the VMS Hobbyist license program.  C    I hate to sound perpetually dissatisfied (even though I may be asH chronic whiner), but after that initial $100 charge, I have been gettingH roughly annual Tru64 "Noncommercial" "Technology Enthusiast" updates forF only $40 (post-paid).  That kit includes _up-to-date_ distributions ofC the OS (1 CD-ROM), Documentation (1 CD-ROM), Associated Products (2-@ CD-ROMs), open source freeware (1 CD-ROM), and Alpha firmware (1/ CD-ROM), plus license PAKs which do not expire.e  F    VMS Hobbyists would benefit from a similar scheme, where (at least)@ major VMS releases (ideally with a greater assortment of layeredC products) were made available for a comparable fee.  How old is the-E V7.2 kit?  More than two years?  The single-CD-ROM kits from MontagarvF sure beat laying out hundreds of dollars for the full kit from Compaq,F but the Tru64 program sure beats the VMS program in this neighborhood.  H    If they haven't been laid off yet, can the folks who handle the Tru64B program crank up a comparable VMS program?  Failing that, is there8 anything we lowly peons can do to improve the situation?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)fC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)aG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)t9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:32:17 -0500r' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>s< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?, Message-ID: <3C43BEE1.656EDE6A@ui.urban.org>   Andy Stoffel wrote:i [snip]H > So..... if I sign up for the "Associate" membership...... will I still. > be eligible for the VMS Hobbyist licenses ?   E Yes ... except as pointed out in one of the responses, "associate" <>I "member"  E A couple of details are still being worked out. There'll be more infog published soon.0   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)l' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)o. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:06:09 -0500t' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org> < Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?, Message-ID: <3C43C6D1.C21EDA46@ui.urban.org>   David Froble wrote:. [snip]G > I think the $$ issue is indicative of Encompass moving away from what # > the Decus of old was all about.  d  @ In a way you are correct, but I suspect not in the way you mean.  B There is a very important difference between Encompass and the old: DECUS U.S. Chapter: Encompass is an independent non-profitE corporation. The DECUS U.S. Chapter was subsidized by Compaq, and wasnC legally a part of Compaq. This was not a unilateral decision on thet. part of Encompass; Compaq was behind it fully.  4 The case for having a membership fee goes like this:C - Encompass has no sugar daddy. It has to pay its own way to remain  solvent.F - It takes money to deliver services. If no new money comes in, no new services go out.D - It became clear that Compaq and other vendors were no longer going< to take a user group seriously if there was no cost to join.? - While Encompass does indeed earn money from CETS, it has been D virtually the only serious source of income. That's bad business, toD depend entirely on a single event -- especially given that CETS 2001F didn't earn as much as it could have, and given that travel & trainingB budgets have been dropping anyway, and given that people are stillE less willing to fly than they used to be, and given that CETS was noteC solely an Encompass event (i.e. partnership with Compaq), and given B that some other vendors have been canceling their large conference programs entirely.< - Only a small proportion of the DECUS membership was at theA Sustaining level, and the Sustaining membership fee wasn't even aHD break-even cost. The Basic membership was pure loss. In other words,A the old fee structure offered a financial incentive to SHRINK theeE membership. That's bad business. The new fee structure isn't going toID make money hand over fist, but there's just enough gravy to create a+ financial incentive to GROW the membership.    --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)-' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/) . ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:07:37 -0500 ' From: Jim Becker <jbecker@ui.urban.org>x< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?, Message-ID: <3C43C729.360C0BC7@ui.urban.org>   "Steven P. Underwood" wrote:D > As far as I can tell, the Associate level does not qualify for the > Hobby license.  F More info to be posted shortly. Details are being worked out. The goal> is to have Associate status in Encompass count for the OpenVMS Hobbyist Program.i   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)-' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/)7. ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:16:24 -0600 ( From: David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com>6 Subject: Managing Multipath Fibre Channel device paths2 Message-ID: <a1vhsd$2vg$1@newsreader.mailgate.org>   Hi All,   K I am interested in the methods you are using to set the path on a multipathoK fibre channel device.  I have a command procedure that is run during systemrN startup that sets the path on the devices, then later in the startup procedure the device will be mounted.y  K For example, the command procedure is called SET_DGA_PATHS.COM and containse lines like:n   $! $! SYSTEM01 DevicesI $!: $ SET DEVICE/SWITCH/PATH=PGA0.5000-1FE1-0009-1934 $1$DGA1:< $ SET DEVICE/SWITCH/PATH=PGB0.5000-1FE1-0009-1964 $1$DGA901:  # Then in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, we have:   H $ MOUNT/SYS/NOREBUILD/NOASSIST DSA1 /SHAD=($1$DGA1:,$1$DGA901:) SYSTEM01 SYSTEM01  M However, our vendor is telling us we should be doing it the other way around.m+ Mount the devices first, then set the path.    Anyone have any ideas?   Thanks,m   Dave Harrold    N ..............................................................................N David Harrold                              E-Mail: David_Harrold at aurora.orgI Sr. Software Systems Engineer              Phone:          (414) 647-6204 I                                            Pager:          (414) 941-4634nG Aurora Health Care                         Fax:          (414) 647-4999  3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 20:58:38 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) : Subject: Re: Managing Multipath Fibre Channel device paths3 Message-ID: <afL3Gj0bq0GG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <a1vhsd$2vg$1@newsreader.mailgate.org>, David Harrold <DHarrold@wi.rr.com> writes:n	 > Hi All,e > M > I am interested in the methods you are using to set the path on a multipath M > fibre channel device.  I have a command procedure that is run during systemaP > startup that sets the path on the devices, then later in the startup procedure > the device will be mounted.o > M > For example, the command procedure is called SET_DGA_PATHS.COM and contains 
 > lines like:n >  > $! > $! SYSTEM01 Devices. > $!< > $ SET DEVICE/SWITCH/PATH=PGA0.5000-1FE1-0009-1934 $1$DGA1:> > $ SET DEVICE/SWITCH/PATH=PGB0.5000-1FE1-0009-1964 $1$DGA901: > % > Then in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, we have:  > J > $ MOUNT/SYS/NOREBUILD/NOASSIST DSA1 /SHAD=($1$DGA1:,$1$DGA901:) SYSTEM01
 > SYSTEM01 > O > However, our vendor is telling us we should be doing it the other way around.f- > Mount the devices first, then set the path.a >  > Anyone have any ideas? >    	Yes.7  = 	I would mount, then switch.  I would also check to make sureeB 	the path was/is available even if you had to do something kludgy.? 	Saying that, I doubt you can switch it to a non-existent path.n  9 	Also, it looks to me like you are attempting to help out A 	availability.  But we know paths will switch over automatically:C  > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/rel_notes_pro.html  M Every I/O error that invokes mount verification causes the multipath failoverhF code to search for a working path. In earlier versions of OpenVMS, theJ multipath algorithm started with the primary path (that is, the first pathN configured by OpenVMS) and performed a search, giving preference to any directN paths to an HSx controller that has the device on line. Before the correction,K the algorithm did not test the current path first, and did not stay on thatc) path if the error condition had cleared. n  ? 	If you have multiple HBAs, your vendor may have configured one > 	server to path through the switch(es) using one path, another? 	server another path so at first glance it may appear you couldt= 	gain something pushing out another HBA on a given server buto= 	might realize you would then be occupying the path the other  	server is using...   > 	What I would like to see (or do) is to write a C program thatC 	would dynamically load balance according to configuration criteria = 	or default to given criteria... but the more I thought about.> 	it , I realized with multiple nodes, multiple paths, multiple< 	HBAs the complexity would quickly grow!  and perhaps is whyD 	there is a SET DEVICE/PATH command for the end-user to tinker with.  > 	Maybe that C program would be easier if it contained a lot of= 	information in the configuration file.  For instance , every B 	disk/volume has every path... preferred path, switch to alternateA 	path if I/O rate exceeds threshold... total up I/O rates, acrossc 	all paths, all nodes?  Ouch.n   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:34:35 -0500t% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>i Subject: Re: Marxe, Message-ID: <3C435CF5.C21021B3@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:dG > Rock can mean skirt in German or have its English meaning. Thus we'lldF > never know if Curly likes rock music or really does dance around the= > office in a cheerleader type skirt while listening to Bruce- > Springsteen.  H My opinion of Capellas would go up if I knew he danced around in such anO outfit in his office, especially if he was doing this in front of other people.P  L Conclusion: My opinion of the guy must be VERY VERY low if such dances would improve it.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:37:48 -0500a% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>3* Subject: Re: More info on Hp-Compaq merger, Message-ID: <3C435DB7.9B65D6B5@videotron.ca>   "Farrell, Michael" wrote: H > http://newsletter.varbusiness.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFhe0BnahV0hk0BU6a0AI@ > ==============================================================     Telling paragraph: ##I Singh, who sells both Hewlett-Packard and Compaq products, expects to cut K bureaucracy and costs by dealing with one firm. The product lines fit well,eH since HP is strong in high-end Unix computers, while Compaq is known forN lower-end servers with Intel microchips running Microsoft Windows and for data storage technology.  ##  = If resellers are not educated about VMS, they won't sell VMS.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:03:02 +0100m1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>e* Subject: Re: More info on Hp-Compaq merger5 Message-ID: <3C43C616.D61EB31F@swissonline.delete.ch>    "Farrell, Michael" wrote:s > M > I'm passing this on to the newsgroup, since I suspect most denizens of thisd > group are not resellers. > 4 > ==================================================/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~n > VARBUSINESS INSIDER NEWS/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d- > Key Resellers Swing Behind HP-Compaq Merger ; > Computer resellers, who account for the bulk of sales forh< > Hewlett-Packard and Compaq Computer, have swung behind theB > controversial $25 billion merger between the companies, offeringD > crucial support for the success of such an alliance, analysts say. > H > http://newsletter.varbusiness.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFhe0BnahV0hk0BU6a0AI@ > ==============================================================  @ I found the most interesting two paragraphs in the article to be  F "I'm being solicited by HP folks quite a bit since this has happened,"F says Don Richie, CEO of Austin, Texas-based Sequel Data Systems, whichE works exclusively with Compaq and has $15 million in annual revenues.,E "The Compaq folks, they are clueless. They are absolutely clueless."    F Compaq still treats its partners selling high-end equipment as if theyE were selling the simple PCs for  which Compaq is known, Richie says. r    F Looks like it is not just us who think that Compaq is fixated with PCs@ and is, for some reason, rarely able to do much with selling the high-end systems.n     John McLeans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:24 +0100n/ From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>mY Subject: Natural language interfaces - was:Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterae4 Message-ID: <VA.0000051a.2490072f@bluewin.delete.ch>  C In article <3C41A389.4E5AD88E@hda.hydro.com>, Terje Mathisen wrote:o > Paul Sture wrote:b5 > > REASONS WHY THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS HARD TO LEARN  > [list snipped] > I > Having words with multiple meanings, and/or multiple different spellingwD > and the same pronounciation is afaik common in many/most languages > (excepting Esperanto?) . > H > I.e. in norwegian the words for farmers, beans and prayers are more or > less identical.a > F > To bring this back to at least comp.arch relevancy: This is the mainH > reason that natural language interfaces, particularly spoken, is going' > to take a lot of computing resources.a > H True, but it's worth mentioning that I successfully used a voice driven F program from IBM 4.5 years ago. You had to learn to speak with spaces J between words, and of course clearly, but it worked well for me, for both F commands and text input. In the end I decided that listening to music  while I worked was more fun :-)t ___i
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:08:53 GMT 0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com>C Subject: Netscape from Hobbyist CD install fails - Access violationg+ Message-ID: <3C438F34.AE81D4E1@mailbag.com>c  H I recently became the owner of a VAX station 4000/90, 64 mb ram  and 5gbF of disk. I hooked up my external cd and got my hobbyist 7.2 installed.F Everything went fine with the install and I'm logged onto as system in
 Dec Windows. s  E I copied the self extracting file over to the system disk and ran it.hH That seems to have completed fine - no error messages at least. However, when I try to ' $ run netscape-export-vax-v303c4r-gold -  ' it runs for a moment and then gives me:a; %System-F-accvio, access violation, reason mask=01, virtualr+ address=FFFFFFFF, PC=005B14D2, PSL=0BC00000n/ %trace-f-traceback, symbolic stack dump follows7- module name	routine name		line	rel PC		abs PCt 						005B14D2 	005B14D2( PRPRF		dosprintf		6550	00000532	003CB5B2* PRPRF		PR_smprintf		6666	0000002C	003CB8083 MOZILLA		fe_create_pidlock	103649	00000082	000FCF22e( MOZILLA		main			102942	00000ADE	000FC66E    5 This repeats every time I try to run this installer. 7  ' Any hints or tips greatly appreciated. u   WilliamI -- r* You better watch out    What you wish for;+ It better be worth it   So much to die for.r-                                 Courtney Love    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:24 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>c1 Subject: Re: Northernlight to close public accessu4 Message-ID: <VA.0000051b.24900739@bluewin.delete.ch>  D In article <sc42c833.060@AAASMTA.aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt wrote:B > Depending on what you search for, ads will come up at the top ofD > your search or to the side. However, they make most of their moneyD > on other customer search projects that they do (most for companies > in the Bay Area).  > ( > They also get a nice chunk of cash for= > licensing use of their engine to people like Yahoo and AOL.h > D > >>> Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> 01/14/2002 11:52:40 AM > >>>yE > In article <0hm54u4qu0elogh0438move3g6ebfal2l4@4ax.com>, Alan Greige > <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > > . > > The VMS based search engine Northern Light > (www.northernlight.com) isE > > to close its public search facility. A real pity because it was ai > nice9 > > publicity tool as well as an excellent search engine.R > E > On the other hand, it is nice to see VMS associated with people whocD > are making definite plans to stay in business.  Massachusetts folk? > are wondering whether the about-to-be-completed CMGI football 	 > stadiume. > in Foxboro will open before CMGI goes under. > D > While we are on the subject, can anyone explain to me the businessH > model for Google ?  Their main page indicates they offer advertising, @ > but I don't recall ever seeing any.  Perhaps I just search for$ > unpopular or noncommercial topics. >u0 From http://www.google.ch/corporate/history.html  ! "Taking steps to self-sufficiencyn  E Through careful marshalling of its resources, Google had avoided the pF need for additional funding rounds beyond its original venture round. B Already a number of clients were signing up to use Google's searchE technology on their own sites. With the launch of a keyword-targeted  D advertising program, Google added another revenue stream that began B moving the company into the black. By mid-2000, these efforts wereA beginning to show real results and on June 26, Google and Yahoo! .H announced a partnership that solidified the company's reputation as not G only a great technology provider, but a substantial business answering i# 18 million user queries every day."n   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandp   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:46:50 -0500s% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>s1 Subject: Re: Northernlight to close public accessl, Message-ID: <3C435FD4.A34A8A1D@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:J > While we are on the subject, can anyone explain to me the business modelG > for Google ?  Their main page indicates they offer advertising, but I G > don't recall ever seeing any.  Perhaps I just search for unpopular orw > noncommercial topics.L  L I am not sure which search engine does it, but at least one allows a site toH pay to  be listed at the top of searches. (not sure if google or yahoo).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:19:10 -0500g- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net> 1 Subject: Re: Northernlight to close public accessn- Message-ID: <3C439FAE.20223ABB@bellsouth.net>   E %$#%$#%$ #%$#$#% #%#%$%   My home page is Northernlight. I have had apH better than 85% hit rate in the top 10 results.  Man I hate when they doA that.  Could they not continue the Free side as well.. ARRRRGGHHhe --     Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.coma President/Sr. DBA Consultant     Alan Greig wrote:i > G > The VMS based search engine Northern Light (www.northernlight.com) isvH > to close its public search facility. A real pity because it was a nice7 > publicity tool as well as an excellent search engine.n6 > http://www.northernlight.com/docs/letterfromceo.html >  >  Letter from the CEO1 >   Dear Customers and Friends of Northern Light,g > D > Since August of 1997, I have had the personal privilege of hearingE > from many of you. You have told me in many different ways about howlA > you benefit from our search and content services. So it is withdA > gratitude and hope that I share with you the new direction thatn! > Northern Light is taking today.n > G > While we have made an all-out effort at the advertising-supported WebtH > search model, we find now that we need to refine our business to focusF > more exclusively on the needs of business researchers and enterpriseE > customers. As of January 16, 2002, Northern Light will no longer beg> > providing free Web search to the general public. Our SpecialA > Collection will continue to be available for free searching andgB > pay-per-view access from Northern Light's Web site. In addition,C > advanced search forms, real-time news, Search Alerts, and SpecialaB > Editions will still be available at no cost to NorthernLight.comH > visitors. Rather than trying to be all things to all people, our focusG > will be on providing the most authoritative information available forp > decision-makers. > G > Northern Light will continue to maintain and update its index of moresF > than 350 million Web pages for searching by enterprise customers, anE > area of our business that is growing rapidly. None of the more thani? > 100 custom Web-crawls running for Northern Light's enterprise B > customers will be affected by the discontinuation of free public) > access to the Northern Light Web index.s > F > I know that some of you will be disappointed by this decision, but IG > hope that many of you will see it as I do: a positive move toward thehH > future of a valuable search and content integration service. Thank youH > for being with us through the years, and I hope you will continue with > us for many more.t >  > Cordially, > 
 > David Seusst >  >  >  >  >  >  > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:48:20 -0500 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> Subject: OpenVMS advertisement5 Message-ID: <_XD08.10495$Q06.66438@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>i  G I just received my last copy of Oracle Magazine, and as always, the 1ste4 thing I did was look for what Compaq is advertising:  F p. 13 - Tru64. With a definition of cluster that would be great for an OpenVMS ad.e Back cover - Proliante  A I have never, ever, seen any mention of OpenVMS in this magazine.c   --   SyltremiI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)e> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:08:59 +0100n1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>E" Subject: Re: OpenVMS advertisement5 Message-ID: <3C43C77B.B538FFCA@swissonline.delete.ch>s   Syltrem wrote: > I > I just received my last copy of Oracle Magazine, and as always, the 1sta6 > thing I did was look for what Compaq is advertising: > H > p. 13 - Tru64. With a definition of cluster that would be great for an
 > OpenVMS ad.  > Back cover - Proliant  > C > I have never, ever, seen any mention of OpenVMS in this magazine.n >   F Sounds similar to a Compaq press release about clusters yesterday.  ItH all sounded impressive and then I found the word Proliant and no mention anywhere of Tru64 or VMS.   H It would have been so easy to include a statement that mentioned all ...G eg. Adding to the already impressive array of clustering in OpenVMS and@8 Tru64, Compaq announces clustering for Proliant servers.  C Instead of this we seem to have competing companies within Compaq -mB Windows-based, Tru64, Tandem and OpenVMS - and they refuse to even" acknowledge that the others exist.  A Windows-based always gets the lion's share of publicity.  Is it aiF coincidence that these folk are based where head-office can be found ?     John McLeanh   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:17:16 -0500 + From: "Jamal, Tahir" <TJamal@mtsinai.on.ca>w Subject: Oracle Migration U Message-ID: <A789F9F553FCD4118C670008C791D6DA036EE984@mshmail5.mtsinai.toronto.on.ca>n  D We want to migrate from Oracle-5 on VAX/VMS. Can anybody suggest the- strategy & tools to be used for this project?S   jamal_tahir@hotmail.com0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:11:36 -0500N- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>1 Subject: Re: Oracle Migration - Message-ID: <3C4365A8.C7F6099F@bellsouth.net>l   "Jamal, Tahir" wrote:a > F > We want to migrate from Oracle-5 on VAX/VMS. Can anybody suggest the/ > strategy & tools to be used for this project?n >  > jamal_tahir@hotmail.com   - To what are you migrating? Re: tools ... Me. u   --     Regards,   Michael AustinH First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com (link broken dueF to residential ADSL restrictions.  But moving to something else soon). President/Sr. DBA Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:13:29 -0000t- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)h0 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation7 Message-ID: <919695527warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>r  2 fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in 5 <20020114172003.63007.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>:f  	 >Dear ALL  >e# >Do you know where can I find some a( >documentation about the SQLNet commands >for OpenVMS in the internet ? >c% >A friend of mine is having problems t$ >when conecting to Oracel RDB 7.0-31 >SQLSRV 7.1  >  >Regards >i >  >s6 >=============================Fbio dos Santos Cardoso >OpenVMS System Manageri >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brt >=========================3 >__________________________________________________v >Do You Yahoo!?m' >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!t" >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/    J SQLNet is a proprietary (Oracle) network protocol allowing DB client code H to access a remote database.  It undoubtedly has an API, but I've never D heard of "commands" you can access from the command line.  It does, G however, require configuration on each client machine to point it to a q" server, or an Oracle Names Server.  H More details on how the Internet is involved in the question would also ; help.  I don't think SQLNET talks to a remote RDB database.f   ws   -- h   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)h The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:13:29 +0200 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)10 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   DocumentationQ Message-ID: <1037270357C4D411A1C900A0C9D4BFCB5E71EF@hqnts40div01.academy.kiev.ua>   2 fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in 5 <20020114172003.63007.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>:i  	 >Dear ALL  >k# >Do you know where can I find some e( >documentation about the SQLNet commands >for OpenVMS in the internet ? >e% >A friend of mine is having problems p$ >when conecting to Oracel RDB 7.0-31 >SQLSRV 7.1i >f >Regards >l >i >e6 >=============================Fbio dos Santos Cardoso >OpenVMS System Manageru >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brv >=========================3 >__________________________________________________m >Do You Yahoo!?e' >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!o" >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/    J SQLNet is a proprietary (Oracle) network protocol allowing DB client code H to access a remote database.  It undoubtedly has an API, but I've never D heard of "commands" you can access from the command line.  It does, G however, require configuration on each client machine to point it to a  " server, or an Oracle Names Server.  H More details on how the Internet is involved in the question would also ; help.  I don't think SQLNET talks to a remote RDB database.r   ws   -- m   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)e The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **     begin 600 Org_Mail_Info.txt = M#0H-"BTM+2TM4V-A;DUA:6PZ($]R:6=I;F%L($UE<W-A9V4@26YF;W)M871Ii= M;VXM+2TM+0T*1G)O;3H@=W-P96YC97)`87`N;F]S<&%M+F]R9R`H5V%R<F5Nr= M(%-P96YC97(I#0I396YT.B`P,2\Q-"\R,#`R(#(Q.C$S.C,P#0I4;SH@#0I3r= M=6)J96-T.B!293H@3W)A8VQE(%)$0B`M(%-13$YE="`@($1O8W5M96YT871Io= M;VX-"@T*+2TM+2U38V%N36%I;#H@4F]U=&EN9R!$;VUA:6X@26YF;W)M871Ie= M;VX@9F]R(%--5%`@;6%I;"TM+2TM#0I0871H.B!C87)R:65R+FMI978N=6$A== M;F5W<RYK:65V+G-O=F%M+F-O;2%3=FET;VYL:6YE+D-/32%N97=S9F5E9"YGS= M86UM82YR=2%'86UM82Y252%O<&5N=')A;G-I="YN970A<')O>&%D+FYE="%Td= M96%S97(N9G(A9G)E96YI>"%S;BUX:70M,#$A<VXM<&]S="TP,B%S;BUP;W-Ts= M+3`Q(7-U<&5R;F5W<RYC;VTA;F5W<RYS=7!E<FYE=W,N8V]M(6YO="UF;W(Mr= M;6%I;`T*1G)O;3H@=W-P96YC97)`87`N;F]S<&%M+F]R9R`H5V%R<F5N(%-P2= M96YC97(I#0I.97=S9W)O=7!S.B!C;VUP+F]S+G9M<PT*4W5B:F5C=#H@4F4Zp= M($]R86-L92!21$(@+2!344Q.970@("!$;V-U;65N=&%T:6]N#0I$871E.B!-t= M;VXL(#$T($IA;B`R,#`R(#$Y.C$S.C(Y("TP,#`P#0I/<F=A;FEZ871I;VXZ6= M(%1H92!!<W-O8VEA=&5D(%!R97-S#0I-97-S86=E+4E$.B`\.3$Y-CDU-3(W== M=V%R<F5N<W!E;F-E<C$Y-S=`,C`Y+C(T.2XY,"XQ,#`^#0I2969E<F5N8V5St= M.B`\,C`P,C`Q,30Q-S(P,#,N-C,P,#<N<6UA:6Q`=V5B,C`R,#0N;6%I;"YYe= M86AO;RYC;VT^#0I5<V5R+4%G96YT.B!8;F5W<R\P,RXP-"XQ,0T*6"U#;VUPe= M;&%I;G1S+51O.B!N97=S86)U<V5`<W5P97)N97=S+F-O;0T*3&EN97,Z(#0V = M#0I8<F5F.B!C87)R:65R+FMI978N=6$@8V]M<"YO<RYV;7,Z,3(U-C4-"@T*r "#0H=e `  enda   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:04:00 +0100-9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>w0 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation' Message-ID: <3C4339B0.EE3586C1@aaa.com>q   Warren Spencer wrote:  > K > SQLNet is a proprietary (Oracle) network protocol allowing DB client code I > to access a remote database.  It undoubtedly has an API, but I've never2; > heard of "commands" you can access from the command line..  +   There is. For administration. On VMS e.g.s  
   It does,H > however, require configuration on each client machine to point it to a$ > server, or an Oracle Names Server.  (   And VMS can be a "client" or "server".   > I > More details on how the Internet is involved in the question would also = > help.  I don't think SQLNET talks to a remote RDB database.a  C   It does, using the "SQLnet for Rdb" kit from Oracle. Or, actualy,aD   the SQLnet kit talks to Rdb through the SQL/Services server on the@   VMS server. This kit makes Rdb "look" like an "Oracle Classic"	 database.i  F   And all docs for SQLnet for Rdb is on Oracles support site Metalink.     Jan-Erik Sderholm.a   >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:41:32 -0000c- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)m0 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation7 Message-ID: <9196ABC45warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>a  < aaa@aaa.com (Jan-Erik Sderholm) wrote in <3C4339B0.EE3586C1 @aaa.com>: m   >Warren Spencer wrote: t >> nA >> SQLNet is a proprietary (Oracle) network protocol allowing DB w client uA >> code to access a remote database.  It undoubtedly has an API, -	 but I've eC >> never heard of "commands" you can access from the command line. @ >l- >  There is. For administration. On VMS e.g. s  
 Examples?    >  >  It does, B >> however, require configuration on each client machine to point  it to a & >> server, or an Oracle Names Server.  >f* >  And VMS can be a "client" or "server".   ' Well, technically, client *and* server i  @ >> More details on how the Internet is involved in the question  would : >> also help.  I don't think SQLNET talks to a remote RDB 
 database.  >e< >  It does, using the "SQLnet for Rdb" kit from Oracle. Or,  actualy, theB >  SQLnet kit talks to Rdb through the SQL/Services server on the  VMSd> >  server. This kit makes Rdb "look" like an "Oracle Classic"  >database. r  B The original question asked about SQLNet, rather than "SQLNet for A RDB". Different products, clearly. Sorry for the mis-information.a   >t> >  And all docs for SQLnet for Rdb is on Oracles support site 
 Metalink.  >_ >  Jan-Erik Sderholm. 0 >8 >>   -- 	  ; Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer (not a writer) The 0
 Associated Press   A ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:45:31 +0100t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>d0 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation' Message-ID: <3C43517B.2128A367@aaa.com>    Warren Spencer wrote:2 > > > aaa@aaa.com (Jan-Erik Sderholm) wrote in <3C4339B0.EE3586C1 > @aaa.com>: >  > >Warren Spencer wrote: > >> ...but I'veD > >> never heard of "commands" you can access from the command line. > >A. > >  There is. For administration. On VMS e.g. >  > Examples?r  < Don't remember exactly the name (something like tnslsnr) for< adminstration (stop/start/status...) of the SQLnet listener.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:06:09 +0100i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)0 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation; Message-ID: <3c43b8c1.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>>  ' Jan-Erik Sderholm (aaa@aaa.com) wrote:6 > Warren Spencer wrote:r+ > > aaa@aaa.com (Jan-Erik Sderholm) wrote:  > > >Warren Spencer wrote: > > >> ...but I'veF > > >> never heard of "commands" you can access from the command line. > > >y0 > > >  There is. For administration. On VMS e.g. > > 
 > > Examples?s >c> > Don't remember exactly the name (something like tnslsnr) for> > adminstration (stop/start/status...) of the SQLnet listener.  E lsnrctl ...or something like that. This always gets me when I need top look at the listener's status.   cu,F   Martin -- nG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmerx4 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/g; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.del   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 15:36:41 -05001 From: "Matthew X. Economou" <xenophon@irtnog.org>a0 Subject: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <w4o3d187jqe.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>  ? I'm running OpenVMS 7.2 on my AlphaStation through the HobbyistuC program (thank you, DECUS!).  In browsing through the documentationn? site, I see that there are two new versions of OpenVMS, 7.3 andtE 7.2-1.  Where do I find patches to update my system (e.g. security ori@ other critical updates)?  Is either OpenVMS 7.2-1 or OpenVMS 7.3 available to hobbyists?!   -- oF Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> - Unsafe at any clock speed!J "Little grey men are coming our way (tastes just like chicken, they say)."	  - Clutch    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:18:16 -0500-* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>4 Subject: RE: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?- Message-ID: <0033000047813786000002L062*@MHS>l   =0AAs a fellow hobbyist,  ) http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/faq.html " will answer your version question.3 (The hobbyist program is good for latest versions.)?  5 I don't know what distributions are available through : the hobbyist program at this time (there have been such in+ the past but I don't known current status),    but as I understand it, (I.am.not.a.lawyer.nor.do.I.play.one.on.TV)-  3 it's legal to use the commercial media (if you have 0 access to them) to do hobbyist installs/upgrades    but it's not legal to copy them.  4 Perhaps I'm being semantically picky, but I wouldn't" call a version upgrade "patching".  = Check the Montagar site and I'll bet there's a mailto: there.   
 HTH/WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETi& Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:08 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0 Subject: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?    ? I'm running OpenVMS 7.2 on my AlphaStation through the Hobbyist/C program (thank you, DECUS!).  In browsing through the documentationh? site, I see that there are two new versions of OpenVMS, 7.3 andsE 7.2-1.  Where do I find patches to update my system (e.g. security or @ other critical updates)?  Is either OpenVMS 7.2-1 or OpenVMS 7.3 available to hobbyists?m   --F Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> - Unsafe at any clock speed!H "Little grey men are coming our way (tastes just like chicken, they say= )."a
  - Clutch=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:23:01 +0100e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 4 Subject: Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?' Message-ID: <3C434C35.28890CFF@aaa.com>d  - It depends on what you mean with "available".a  7 Your license allows you to run any VMS version, but youo9 have to find the CD's somewhare. Buy them, or borrow themu7 from a friend. If you know someone with the 7.3 CD set,e% one could possibly do the following :N   At some other VMS system :; 1. Copy the savesets from the original CDs to a VMS system.e 2. ZIP the savesetsl 3. FTP the ZIPs to a PC. 4. Burn the ZIPs to a CD-W.a   At the target system :% 5. Put the CD-W in the target system.  6. Copy the ZIPs to the target.n 7. UNZIP the savesets. 8. Upgrade !  = Does anyone know any problem with upgrading newer versions of  VMS from disk ?t   Jan-Erik Sderholm.i     "Matthew X. Economou" wrote: > A > I'm running OpenVMS 7.2 on my AlphaStation through the Hobbyist E > program (thank you, DECUS!).  In browsing through the documentationdA > site, I see that there are two new versions of OpenVMS, 7.3 andbG > 7.2-1.  Where do I find patches to update my system (e.g. security oryB > other critical updates)?  Is either OpenVMS 7.2-1 or OpenVMS 7.3 > available to hobbyists?u >  > --H > Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> - Unsafe at any clock speed!L > "Little grey men are coming our way (tastes just like chicken, they say)." >  - Clutch,   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:39:40 GMTr2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>4 Subject: Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?@ Message-ID: <M6J08.4920$WM6.1232986@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>  0 Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> wrote:A > I'm running OpenVMS 7.2 on my AlphaStation through the HobbyistaE > program (thank you, DECUS!).  In browsing through the documentationnA > site, I see that there are two new versions of OpenVMS, 7.3 and1G > 7.2-1.  Where do I find patches to update my system (e.g. security orcB > other critical updates)?  Is either OpenVMS 7.2-1 or OpenVMS 7.3 > available to hobbyists?.  L Your best bet is to obtain a newer version of OpenVMS.  I'd recommend 7.2-2,L though I'm currently at 7.2-1H1.  As for doing this, the best to choices areL to buy the media from Compaq, or find it on eBay.  Unfortunatly the HobbyistF V2 CD's are rather out of date, and don't contain a lot of the LayeredJ products that the Hobbyist License covers.  So, I'd recommend finding bothK a set of OS CD's and a set of the Consolidated Distrobution CD's (I believeE% sometimes you can get both together).e   			Zane3   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:21:47 -0700c+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> 4 Subject: Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?' Message-ID: <3C43923B.9080905@mmaz.com>W  & --------------0501080801070207080308029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn   Zane H. Healy wrote:  1 >Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> wrote:l >eA >>I'm running OpenVMS 7.2 on my AlphaStation through the HobbyistoE >>program (thank you, DECUS!).  In browsing through the documentationwA >>site, I see that there are two new versions of OpenVMS, 7.3 and.G >>7.2-1.  Where do I find patches to update my system (e.g. security or@B >>other critical updates)?  Is either OpenVMS 7.2-1 or OpenVMS 7.3 >>available to hobbyists?o >> > M >Your best bet is to obtain a newer version of OpenVMS.  I'd recommend 7.2-2, M >though I'm currently at 7.2-1H1.  As for doing this, the best to choices are M >to buy the media from Compaq, or find it on eBay.  Unfortunatly the Hobbyist G >V2 CD's are rather out of date, and don't contain a lot of the Layered-K >products that the Hobbyist License covers.  So, I'd recommend finding bothJL >a set of OS CD's and a set of the Consolidated Distrobution CD's (I believe& >sometimes you can get both together). >tI I've wondered who foots the initial bill for Montagar to be able to make sH the hobbyist CD's available and to duplicate them for resale.  If it is H not Compaq, then it may simply be economics that the prior CD's need to B sell in order to help cover the seed money for producing the next  generation of CD's.t  C The another consideration is that Montagar may not have all of the wG latest CD's at their disposal to duplicate and if Compaq is not making gD those available to them at no-fee, then again it may be an economic  restraint.    F Perhaps David, who I copied on this, could comment because if it is a F matter of having the CD's made available for duping, and there are no I legal issues lending them to David for mastering purposes, this might be m simple to resolve.    D If it is the expenses related to burning the next set of CD's, what < about taking an informal tally of those hobbyist willing to I 'pre-purchase' the latest CD's, provided that enough participate to make  < it economically feasible for both Montagar and the hobbyist?  I A related question that the Encompass folks might be able to answer, for 2I those 'fee-paying' folks like myself, what about making the CD images or wE savesets available for download on the 'pay-side of the site?'  This OE might help entice more folks to pay for annual membersiphs, it would wG assure that only current members are pulling this items, it would also sH limit the burned bandwidth to paying folks, and still make the software C available without the upfront costs associated with burning CD's...=   Barry=    & --------------050108080107020708030802) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitl   <html> <head> </head>/ <body> Zane H. Healy wrote:<br>V <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:M6J08.4920$WM6.1232986@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com">   <pre wrap="">Matthew X. Economou <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:xenophon@irtnog.org">&lt;xenophon@irtnog.org&gt;</a> wrote:<br></pre>   <blockquote type="cite">    <pre wrap="">I'm running OpenVMS 7.2 on my AlphaStation through the Hobbyist<br>program (thank you, DECUS!).  In browsing through the documentation<br>site, I see that there are two new versions of OpenVMS, 7.3 and<br>7.2-1.  Where do I find patches to update my system (e.g. security or<br>other critical updates)?  Is either OpenVMS 7.2-1 or OpenVMS 7.3<br>available to hobbyists?<br></pre>     </blockquote>0     <pre wrap=""><!----><br>Your best bet is to obtain a newer version of OpenVMS.  I'd recommend 7.2-2,<br>though I'm currently at 7.2-1H1.  As for doing this, the best to choices are<br>to buy the media from Compaq, or find it on eBay.  Unfortunatly the Hobbyist<br>V2 CD's are rather out of date, and don't contain a lot of the Layered<br>products that the Hobbyist License covers.  So, I'd recommend finding both<br>a set of OS CD's and a set of the Consolidated Distrobution CD's (I believe<br>sometimes you&  can get both together).<br><br></pre>     </blockquote>=H I've wondered who foots the initial bill for Montagar to be able to makeP the hobbyist CD's available and to duplicate them for resale. &nbsp;If it is notH Compaq, then it may simply be economics that the prior CD's need to sellJ in order to help cover the seed money for producing the next generation of	 CD's.<br>O     <br>I The another consideration is that Montagar may not have all of the latestdO CD's at their disposal to duplicate and if Compaq is not making those available I to them at no-fee, then again it may be an economic restraint. &nbsp;<br>h     <br>L Perhaps David, who I copied on this, could comment because if it is a matterK of having the CD's made available for duping, and there are no legal issuesaN lending them to David for mastering purposes, this might be simple to resolve.
 &nbsp;<br>     <br>I If it is the expenses related to burning the next set of CD's, what aboutsH taking an informal tally of those hobbyist willing to 'pre-purchase' theN latest CD's, provided that enough participate to make it economically feasible' for both Montagar and the hobbyist?<br>I     <br>H A related question that the Encompass folks might be able to answer, forH those 'fee-paying' folks like myself, what about making the CD images orO savesets available for download on the 'pay-side of the site?' &nbsp;This might J help entice more folks to pay for annual membersiphs, it would assure thatK only current members are pulling this items, it would also limit the burned;H bandwidth to paying folks, and still make the software available without5 the upfront costs associated with burning CD's...<br>)     <br>	 Barry<br>5     <br>     </body>#     </html>!  ( --------------050108080107020708030802--   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:21:52 GMT;2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>4 Subject: Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?@ Message-ID: <kfN08.6347$WM6.1329694@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>  * Barry Treahy, Jr. <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote:K > I've wondered who foots the initial bill for Montagar to be able to make 6J > the hobbyist CD's available and to duplicate them for resale.  If it is J > not Compaq, then it may simply be economics that the prior CD's need to D > sell in order to help cover the seed money for producing the next  > generation of CD's.k  J I'm pretty sure it's not Compaq.  If it was, I suspect we'd have something. along the lines of the Tru64 Hobbyist Program.  F > If it is the expenses related to burning the next set of CD's, what > > about taking an informal tally of those hobbyist willing to K > 'pre-purchase' the latest CD's, provided that enough participate to make s> > it economically feasible for both Montagar and the hobbyist?  J At the same time it might be worth checking to see if people would like toF be able to get a copy of the V1 Hobbyist CD.  I know that I personallyI consider it to be more valuable than my V2 VAX Hobbyist CD.  I also thinkhG that any V3 CD's should be either a 2 or 3 CD set, that way more of thek! layered products can be included.a  K > A related question that the Encompass folks might be able to answer, for  K > those 'fee-paying' folks like myself, what about making the CD images or vG > savesets available for download on the 'pay-side of the site?'  This nG > might help entice more folks to pay for annual membersiphs, it would aI > assure that only current members are pulling this items, it would also  J > limit the burned bandwidth to paying folks, and still make the software E > available without the upfront costs associated with burning CD's...a  ! Now there is an interesting idea!a   			ZaneJ   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:09:33 GMTp1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r4 Subject: Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?' Message-ID: <3C43AC65.788728EB@fsi.net>t   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > , > Barry Treahy, Jr. <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote:L > > I've wondered who foots the initial bill for Montagar to be able to makeK > > the hobbyist CD's available and to duplicate them for resale.  If it islK > > not Compaq, then it may simply be economics that the prior CD's need to E > > sell in order to help cover the seed money for producing the next  > > generation of CD's.   C Write to davidc@montagar.com (David Cathey) for authoritative info.s  @ AFAIK, DFWCUG's core members (David Cathey, John Wisniewski, PatF Jankowiak) do the bulk of the work on this stuff (I could be wrong, ofH course). Since they're working folks like us, it's a "spare time" and as the Q cooperate kinda deal.e  H I was working on some DCL code to automate the production of a prototypeH for a Hobbyist's LP CD. The system disk in my Alpha died, so now I gottaB start over from scratch (no tape drive = no backup). My work is onF another disk in a pizza box, but I still gotta rebuild the rest of the3 system. ...and my licenses are up for renewal, too!   	 Bummer...n   -- t David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jan 2002 00:19:19 -05001 From: "Matthew X. Economou" <xenophon@irtnog.org>l4 Subject: Re: Patching or upgrading Hobbyist OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <w4oy9j05gyw.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>  8 >>>>> "Barry" == Barry Treahy, <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:  C     Barry> If it is the expenses related to burning the next set ofnF     Barry> CD's, what about taking an informal tally of those hobbyistC     Barry> willing to 'pre-purchase' the latest CD's, provided that'B     Barry> enough participate to make it economically feasible for*     Barry> both Montagar and the hobbyist?  E I would be more than willing to pre-purchase the CD, as I really want F to get my hands on the latest versions of many of the layered products! (e.g. Kerberos, TCPIP 5.1, etc.).D   -- NF Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> - Unsafe at any clock speed!J "Little grey men are coming our way (tastes just like chicken, they say)."	  - Clutch@   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:54:02 GMT.4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>/ Subject: Re: question about TCPIP cluster aliase; Message-ID: <uJN08.383$gf1.2118@news-server.bigpond.net.au>c  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KCYB3JCKEM8ZGI9O@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... E > With a TCPIP cluster alias, do the addresses other than the genericpD > address have to be routable addresses, or can they be non-routable > addresses? >ME > I'm thinking of a situation in which they outside world (behind the|H > router, firewall, ISP etc) sees only one address, the generic address,B > anyway.  Requests to that address are then distributed among the7 > available systems participating in the TCPIP cluster.   J This will require the use of DNS alias address.  With this alone, you willG get a round-robin kind of load-sharing amongs the interfaces configuredwH under the DNS alias.  IF you want to add load-balancing capability, then) enable the Load Broker and Metric Server.k  J Your DNS server will need to support, and be configured to accept, dynamic( DNS updates.  Check with your DNS admin.   >  My question is,G > as far as the outside world is concerned, does ALL communication takesH > place through this generic address, or does a machine-specific addressG > come into play as soon as it is decided which machine will handle the!
 > request?  K Well, in a modern application, addresses are not relevant.  The application H should only concern itself with names.  A DNS alias can have multiple IPC addresses associated with it.  E.g. for a DNS alias, I might have 4u. interfaces associated with it, something like:  ) hogwarts  600  IN      A       10.76.14.5h/                 600  IN      A       10.76.14.6h/                 600  IN      A       10.76.14.7b/                 600  IN      A       10.76.14.8   J As a service connects to that DNS alias, it will select an IP address fromL the list returned by the DNS server.  Depending on caching etc, a subsequentG attempt to connect to the same DNS alias will return the same list, but-L rotated in a round-robin fashion.  Since most applications simply choose theD first IP address in the list, this has the effect of connecting to aJ different IP address.  Again, the application should not care about the IP address.  J If you want high-availability, then you are best to enable Load Broker andF Metric Server.  It detects the situation where a node fails (or simplyK becomes heavily loaded), and through the magic of DNS dynamic updates, willg@ remove or replace the failing IP address(es) from the DNS alias.  G > In particular, I would like to learn enough about DNS so that I couldrI > manage my own DNS information (with my DNS server talking to a slave ato  L Since TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS uses the DNS BIND implementation, the bestH documentation for learning is "DNS and BIND", Albitz & Liu, published by	 O'Reilly.l   Matt.?   >eL > ========================================================================== >oB > This reminds me that I should repeat my request for INTRODUCTORYI > VMS-specific TCPIP how-to documentation.  There are generally availableuD > TCPIP how-to books (O'Reilly etc), but these usually assume a unixG > and/or Windows environment.  On the other hand, the documentation foruG > Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS usually assumes that one knows the. > basics of TCP/IP.  >dE > I want to avoid learning the basics in another paradigm first, thenoF > having to translate that paradigm to VMS (OK, /etc/hosts corresponds% > to...), then learn the VMS details.o >nI > I know enough to configure my home cluster so that its IP connection to I > the outside world works (with the ISP knowing nothing at all about VMS, I > just providing a connection up to an ISDN router, which is connected toII > my LAN on the other side), but would like to delve more into this area.tG > In particular, I would like to learn enough about DNS so that I couldeI > manage my own DNS information (with my DNS server talking to a slave atrE > the ISP, perhaps) rather than have to rely on the ISP to update his 4 > records manually whenever I have a change request.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:31:10 -0600u, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Selling VMS licenses 2 Message-ID: <a20ie9$nr2$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net>  L OK, I'll post a hypothetical question.  In 1996 I purchased a pair of VS3100B Model 76 workstations, with the standard PAKs (including Motif andH VAXcluster) from a CAD/Drafting company.  I paid the transfer fee on oneI unit's licenses, and the other basically sat idle except for some cluster-D self-training until the new hobbyist license became available.  ThatH transfer was accomodated by the original owners doing their share of theH paperwork, but I could not afford to do both (and really only needed one# system; this was all for home use).o  F I'm considering selling the one station with non-transferred licenses;L there's just too many computers around this place.  However the company thatI originally owned them has ceased to be.  I have a signed, but handwritteneG bill of sale listing both systems by serial number, and all PAKs by thegH authorization code, and I believe I have the original DEC numbers on the	 licenses.   F Is there a way for the potential new owner to transfer the licenses toL themselves or their own 'organization'?  In other words, can I advertise theL station as coming with transferrable license PAKs?  What kind of hoops wouldB need to be jumped through to effect a legal transfer in this case?  I Of course given the age and speed of the system, and the high probability.H that only a hobbyist might be interested, the licenses are probably moot	 anyway...r   Rich Jordan   C Tim Shoppa wrote in message <3C428ADD.BB39A01@trailing-edge.com>...- >Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >> >>G >> The Compaq license transfer rules are essentially unchanged from them >> DEC license transfer rules. >iE >One improvement seems to be that end-users can perform the transfer,-6 >instead of requiring the transaction to go through an< >approved "dealer".  (At least that was my interpretation of >the rules in the mid-90's.) >  >Tim.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:29:24 +0100 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.delete.ch>a8 Subject: Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions4 Message-ID: <VA.00000519.2490059f@bluewin.delete.ch>  F In article <3C428EEE.29E761BE@contrastmediagroep.nl>, Oswald Knoppers  wrote: > Dirk Munk wrote: > D > > Section 2.1.5 suggests that changes made with "sysconfig -r" areI > > temporary, and will be lost after a reboot. So section 2.1.4 says theSI > > changes are saved in a configuration file, and section 2.1.5 says thehK > > changes are not permanent, but fails to mention how we should make thema > > permanent !?!e > H > The changes you make with sysconfig are only volatile. You have to setH > these values again after starting tcpip, in systartup_vms for example. > G And sysconfig is _very_ picky about the syntax of the command lines. I  E recently had someone trying to execute it via the RUN command from a hH startup procedure, and then feeding it individual commands. It wouldn't G work if there were multiple spaces or tabs in the command line in this h mode.a  I The correct solution was to use the TCPIP$define_commands procedure (the eE real name eludes me at the moment) to set up sysconfig and friends asnE foreign commands, and issue separate sysconfig instructions for each C command. ___s
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:30:45 GMTm4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>8 Subject: Re: TCPIP  configuration problems and questions; Message-ID: <FnN08.349$gf1.1933@news-server.bigpond.net.au>e   Hi Dirk,  A Thanks for taking the time to document your difficulties with the H documentation and TCP CLI.  The problems you identified have existed forI quite a while, and require a retrospective look at document structure andgL CLI.  Just to let you know, I have provided this feedback to our doc leader,H who has been lucky enough to inherit much of the doc and IMO, is doing aK great job improving it.  You've identified another area we can focus on forf improvement.  E The CLI is a little more difficult to improve, given the interface offJ yesterday must still work today.  In general, you will notice that more ofI our utilities use ASCII based configuration files.  The feeback has shownmK these provide a friendlier interface, mostly because the configuration dataaK can be seen by typing the file, as opposed to the CLI which requires you to K know some obscure command to just extract one element of the configuration.7  F With regards the /QUOTA switch, (and any others for that matter), try:       $ TCPIP HELP SET PROT/QUOTAe  7 This is also documented in the command reference guide.i  I You have some excellent feedback from Oswald, I'd just like to add to theaC information, hopefully to make it a little clearer on how the fileso	 interact.r  @ There are a bunch of configuration files, that typically live inL SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE].  Logical names are used to define which files are used.K The logical name is formed by dropping the ".DAT" suffix from the filename.h  B The core configuration files which hold permanent config data are:  D     TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT  -  holds most of the core configuration required to make TCP/IP work. L                                                                Some services8 also use this file to maintain their configuration data.J     TCPIP$HOST.DAT - local host name to address translation (equivalent to /etc/hosts)mG     TCPIP$SERVICE.DAT - holds services started by the auxillary server.b (equivalent to /etc/inetd.conf) C     TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT - static routes are stored here. (equivalent toa /etc/routes)J     TCPIP$NETWORK.DAT - network name to address translation (equivalent to /etc/networks)E     TCPIP$PROXY.DAT - communication proxies and NFS proxies (equiv tob .rhosts for comm. proxies)  L Then there are a bunch of service specific files, depending on what services# you configure on your system.  E.g.M  A     TCPIP$BOOTP.DAT - used by bootp and tftp (equiv. to bootptab)a&     TCPIP$EXPORT.DAT - for NFS exports     etc.  K Some of the service specific files now use ASCII configuration files.  E.g.p  2     SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$LD_BKR]TCPIP$LBROKER.CONF,     SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$BIND]TCPIP$BIND.CONF     etc.  B OK, now for dynamic changes, you might use the CLI, or you can useB SYSCONFIG, or maybe even logicals.  You need to consult the TCP/IPE Management guide and look at the instructions for the service you are J interested in.  For the change you are attempting, you could do it via theH CLI or sysconfig.  If you use sysconfig, then you need to do two things:  1     1. Execute @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDSsI     2. If you want it restored across restarts of TCP/IP, then place yourp sysconfig commands in:  ,              SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$SYSTARTUP.COM  B This brings me to TCP/IP startup, which is most often invoked from  *             SYS$STARTUP:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.   The order of startup is:  ,     1 - start the core for TCP/IP networkingA     2 - for each configured service, start the service and invokee' site-specific service startup proceduree     3 - invoke TCPIP$SYSTARTUP   Matt.a  L "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3C417B93.2060107@home.nl...J > I have a small webserver (VMS 7.3, TCPIP 5.1 with all ecos) running, and% > I want to tune my TCPIP parameters.tI > For those of you who were complaining about the difficult NCL commands,m > just read on ... >bA > I started with the SET (CONFIGURATION) PROTOCOL TCP parameters. F > The manual is very clear, for instance the /QUOTA parameter sets the > "TCP message queue size" .G > That's nice to know, but what is this queue ? Is it the window size ?;J > There is no explanation to be found anywhere in the manual. I changed it) > from the default 4096 to 8192 at first.  >NG > We asked software support what this parameter is, and they advised use3 > the read the "Tuning and Troubleshooting" manual.nD > I got the latest version from the Compaq support site, and startedG > reading. Nothing there of course, until I read section. 2.2.1.3 where I > there is talk of transmit and receive buffers. I was refered to sectionlH > 10.2.16, where things would be explained. That's great, for one little) > problem. There is no section 10.2.16..., >sH > But I studied the whole manual (I don't give up that easily), and cameD > to the conclusion that the VMS commandline interface is for simpleI > configuration only. If you realy want to configure TCPIP, you need Unixe > style utilities. >DJ > Specially the sysconfig utility is the one you need to tune TCPIP. ThereD > were a lot of parameters that according to the manual did not haveJ > optimal default parameters, and I changed all of them to the recommended	 > values.. > E > That worked ! Download speed was more than doubled. I also found myH@ > Quota parameter again, but now it was called TCP_sendspace andI > TCP_recvspace. They had a value of 61440, why I don't know. And I still  > don't know what they are.n >pJ > The other problem I now have is that I don't know if my new settings are8 > permanent. The manual states in section 2.1.4 that theI > "/etc/sysconfigtab" subsystem attribute database file is altered by thetG > changes I made with "sysconfig -r" commands. Mmmmmmm. But I'm runningn > VMS 7.3, not Tru64 7.3.i >tB > Section 2.1.5 suggests that changes made with "sysconfig -r" areG > temporary, and will be lost after a reboot. So section 2.1.4 says the G > changes are saved in a configuration file, and section 2.1.5 says the I > changes are not permanent, but fails to mention how we should make them3 > permanent !?!v >JI > The rest of the manual is about all kind of nice utilities that you canbI > only use after defining foreign commands. And needless to say they have  > unix style interfaces. >rI > I've mentioned it before, DECnet-plus is a bit difficult to get used torF > in the beginnning, but it is very methodical once you understand theI > logic. TCPIP on the other hand is a hodgepodge of poorly documented VMScE > style commands, unix style commands, and not or partly to VMS-stylehJ > ported unix utilities. If TCPIP is suppose to become the protocol of theC > future, could we please, please, get a consistent well structuredDH > management interface with the same qualities and logic as NCL ? With a: > good set of documentation if it is not to much trouble ? >. >n >t >' >w >i >f >s >k >s >t >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:57:25 GMTm4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>4 Subject: Re: TCPIP io status blocks on 64 bit alphas; Message-ID: <9xP08.640$gf1.3617@news-server.bigpond.net.au>n  J The buffer_address field is not used in any of the TCP/IP services, so its+ field size is not particularly interesting.s   Matt.o   --= -------------------------------------------------------------y OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Compaq Computer Corporationw Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C3AA886.BEDD004A@videotron.ca...E > Going through the TCPIP documentation on the $QIO interface, I just? realised something:0 >wJ > The IO status block is defined as having 32 bit address in the io status block: > (figure 3-1. page 3-4).  >eC > Does this automatically become 64 bits on alpha, or does the $QIO  interface on; > alpha somehow fit a 64 bit address in a 32 bit longword ?h >' >e0 > in other words, if I have s structure such as: >c > struct tcpip_iosb {i > unsigned short status ;r > unsigned short count ; > void *buffer_address ; > } ;w >iI > will this translate into a 2 longword structure on vax and a 3 longword H > structure on alpha with the $QIO writing a 64 bit address into a 64bit long > "buffer_address" ? > K > I never really thought about this before since my printed doc is the lastn greyK > wall (5.5-2), but the TCPIP 5.0 book dates from a time when VMS does have- fullK > 64 bit adressing, and is derived from a tru64 product which became 64 bituG > native before VMS did, so I am somewhat surprised to see reference toe 32bitD > pointers there.1   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:23:09 GMTh4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>0 Subject: Re: TCPIP programming: $QIO vs C socket; Message-ID: <N8O08.434$gf1.2493@news-server.bigpond.net.au>r  K The API is native QIO.  The sockets API is built on top of the QIO service.M  C The kernel is BSD-based (always has been) and we use the Tru64 UNIX|? implementation since V5.0.  This has been extremely beneficial.   K The applications you describe can be easily ported to VMS, since we support G the socket interface, and the modern kernel infrastructure provides ther	 services.f  L > Is there some sort of background that explains the nature of the design of thegB > TCPIP $QIO interface compared say to DECNET or mailbox drivers ?  K Not that I'm aware of.  Suffice to say that they are different 'cause therevJ was little (no?) collaboration between the development teams when the APIsJ were designed.  You can compare this with other QIO based networking APIs,L such as X.25, SS7, etc.  They all have their idiosyncracies.  Partly becauseK they are just plain different, and partly because the people designing them  were different.  C'est la vie.  L > (The doc doesn't contain a description of that structure, one must rummage> > through the various includes (thank you SEARCH) to find it.)  F If I understand your comment, the information you're looking for is inK Chapter 5 of the TCP/IP "Sockets API and System Services Programming" Guide,I (V5.1).  It describes the item_list_2 and item_list_3 structures and when  and how to use them.   Matt.1  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C3CDB57.21F3030F@videotron.ca...H > We are often reminded that TCPIP services is a port of the Tru64 TCPIP stack. > 7 > I am curious though at what level was the port made ?c > > > Looking at the programming interface for $QIO, it seems most "interesting". >-L > Looking just at the function to establish a connection with a remote host, ones6 > needs do to a $QIO with the IO$ACCESS function code. >  > So far so good.a >eL > However, instead of using the 6 potential parameters to separately specify theiJ > protocol type, internet IP address (integer), and port number, they have usH > pass a pointer to a descriptor which contains a pointer to a structure whichdI > contains that information ( and the address portion is actually a unionl that > has multiple definitions). > L > (The doc doesn't contain a description of that structure, one must rummage> > through the various includes (thank you SEARCH) to find it.) >e > This has gotten me to wonder:  >nJ > Did they build the core as VMS native and only add ported utilities such asL > NSLOOKUP TCPIP etc, or is the core also from Unix with a $QIO kludge added to > it ? >=L > Is there some sort of background that explains the nature of the design of thesB > TCPIP $QIO interface compared say to DECNET or mailbox drivers ?   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2002 22:23:59 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) @ Subject: Use VMS Part Of MONSTER.COM Support For VMS Marketing ?' Message-ID: <a1vlpv$o3d$2@joe.rice.edu>f% Keywords: vms,marketing,monster,fundsw  C Sue Skonetski mentioned that Compaq subsidized openvms.monster.com. B Several of us responded about the dearth of VMS jobs in our areas.  D Perhaps those funds should be used to market VMS instead, to create  some VMS jobs.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:13:33 -0500l- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>tD Subject: Re: Use VMS Part Of MONSTER.COM Support For VMS Marketing ?, Message-ID: <3C43661D.E31460D@bellsouth.net>   Jerry Leslie wrote:u > E > Sue Skonetski mentioned that Compaq subsidized openvms.monster.com.oD > Several of us responded about the dearth of VMS jobs in our areas. > E > Perhaps those funds should be used to market VMS instead, to createe > some VMS jobs. > 6 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)  H Ditto.  I and several others that I know could use one right about now!! -- c   Regards,   Michael Austin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com  President/Sr. DBA Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)e 704-236-4377 (Mobile)e   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2002 23:51:21 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)dD Subject: Re: Use VMS Part Of MONSTER.COM Support For VMS Marketing ?' Message-ID: <a1vqtp$s3g$2@joe.rice.edu>n  . Michael Austin (miaustin@bellsouth.net) wrote: : Jerry Leslie wrote:a : > G : > Sue Skonetski mentioned that Compaq subsidized openvms.monster.com.uF : > Several of us responded about the dearth of VMS jobs in our areas. : > G : > Perhaps those funds should be used to market VMS instead, to creater : > some VMS jobs. : >  :oJ : Ditto.  I and several others that I know could use one right about now!! :t  J I found some at this site (no relation) , but I don't meet the requirement( of previous applicable military service:  (    http://www.lesliecorp.com/me_mil.html5    The Leslie Corporation - Military Related Openings   t   "The Leslie Corporationl=    International and Domestic Recruitment Services Since 1977   A    These openings are available only to US citizens with previousn"    applicable military experience.  D    If you feel that you are qualified for a position, send your fullE    resume via email.  Please state which position(s) you are applying,    for.h  E    We review each resume we receive against our current openings.  IfaF    your skills match our requirements, we will contact you by phone orB    email with full details.  If your skills do not match a currentE    requirement, we will hold your resume for 12 months against futureg    openings.  	    [snip]e      Data Systems Engineersp  ?    2 required. BS and 4 years experience in real time computingsH    environment. UNIX, VMS, DEC ALPHA series, HP series 9000 and in depth@    knowledge of LAN/WAN, network maintenance and administration.    Saudi Arabia.      Data Systems Technicians   D    5 required. Vocational diploma and 2 years experience in computer?    hardware and interface equipment. Experience with any of thedC    following: VMS, UNIX, Network maintenance, HP series 9000, ALPHAn    series, PDP or VAX.    Saudi Arabia..."p    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:08:03 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 1 Subject: RE: VMS Marketing For the General Public,0 Message-ID: <00A0808D.587575BF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <aDtEIzFWPbOl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:eG >	Another potential tv commercial, using the current fad of seeming to aA >advertise something totally different until the last second...  i >sD >	Beautiful sunny day, very long shot of a beautiful new sports car N >driving along a winding mountain road.  The camera gradually zooms closer to P >the car so that the viewer can admire it.  Said car comes to a stop gracefully O >at a pretty valley overlook.  The camera zooms fairly close and sweeps around tQ >the car, showing off it's lines.  When the camera finally gets to the front (or )J >the back) of the car, it stops as if doing a double take, and then zooms , >quickly into the license plate which reads: >  >VMS 4VR >wF >	Camera focuses on the driver, and what the heck, sex sells so let's Q >make her a beautiful, yet business-like young woman.  She smiles broadly at the PP >camera because she knows a good thing when she uses it.  (Both the car and the = >OS, perhaps.)  Slap compaq logo at the bottom of the screen.t  O ...and the public would then think that Compaq is in the sports car business.  u   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            nJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesg   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 13:39:56 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 1 Subject: RE: VMS Marketing For the General Public 3 Message-ID: <0TJNRhDJFRZD@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  c In article <aDtEIzFWPbOl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:  > E > 	Beautiful sunny day, very long shot of a beautiful new sports car  O > driving along a winding mountain road.  The camera gradually zooms closer to mQ > the car so that the viewer can admire it.  Said car comes to a stop gracefully sP > at a pretty valley overlook.  The camera zooms fairly close and sweeps around R > the car, showing off it's lines.  When the camera finally gets to the front (or K > the back) of the car, it stops as if doing a double take, and then zooms o- > quickly into the license plate which reads:  > 	 > VMS 4VRe > G > 	Camera focuses on the driver, and what the heck, sex sells so let's Y7 > make her a beautiful, yet business-like young woman. h  #    You have the mountain road, too?o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:15:11 +0100a9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>I1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General Publici' Message-ID: <3C433C4F.D4408251@aaa.com>   e > In article <aDtEIzFWPbOl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:a > >e > >nM > >       Camera focuses on the driver, and what the heck, sex sells so let'se8 > > make her a beautiful, yet business-like young woman.  9 Shouldn't that be "beautiful, business-like young woman".t Or are they contradictions ?  < Anyway, I'd rather see one of the latest long-distance lorryC from Volvo, Scania or Mercedes, that just runs and runs and runs...u  A A sports car that may very well be standing at the service centere? now and then, is not what I would think of as the "VMS-vehicle"t  A It's of course nice to have a Ferrari for the pleasure of it, buts for *real* work, well...   Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:55:29 -0500O% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>o1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General Publici, Message-ID: <3C4361DA.E451AE4E@videotron.ca>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:M > >       Camera focuses on the driver, and what the heck, sex sells so let'suR > >make her a beautiful, yet business-like young woman.  She smiles broadly at theQ > >camera because she knows a good thing when she uses it.  (Both the car and theo? > >OS, perhaps.)  Slap compaq logo at the bottom of the screen.u > O > ...and the public would then think that Compaq is in the sports car business.i    * Not if you to to a message: "Meanwhile..."  J Shot of ugly female with thick glasses in front of a typical wintel serverL (screen encased in 19" rack with slide out keyboard, on the phone and sayingD "what ? you're telling me I have to re-install everything AGAIN ?" ?  H then a caption "Get VMS, free your slaves, let your company focus on itsN business instead of computer problems. Don't let some big outfit tell you what you want to go.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:57:53 -0500e% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>k1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public0, Message-ID: <3C43626A.7CC8D2EC@videotron.ca>  K Some people dream that they will eventually get a system that is realiable.e' Other people choose VMS and get it NOW.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:40:34 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General PublicU= Message-ID: <S%J08.24976$uA.250201@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>n  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A0808D.587575BF@SendSpamHere.ORG...L > In article <aDtEIzFWPbOl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon Guthrie) writes:H > > Another potential tv commercial, using the current fad of seeming toA > >advertise something totally different until the last second...s > >aE > > Beautiful sunny day, very long shot of a beautiful new sports car.L > >driving along a winding mountain road.  The camera gradually zooms closer toF > >the car so that the viewer can admire it.  Said car comes to a stop
 gracefullyI > >at a pretty valley overlook.  The camera zooms fairly close and sweepsu aroundH > >the car, showing off it's lines.  When the camera finally gets to the	 front (orrK > >the back) of the car, it stops as if doing a double take, and then zoomsP. > >quickly into the license plate which reads: > > 
 > >VMS 4VR > >lG > > Camera focuses on the driver, and what the heck, sex sells so let'stK > >make her a beautiful, yet business-like young woman.  She smiles broadly  at theI > >camera because she knows a good thing when she uses it.  (Both the care and ther? > >OS, perhaps.)  Slap compaq logo at the bottom of the screen.w > E > ...and the public would then think that Compaq is in the sports car0	 business.' >n  I Doh, aren't they??? They support the F1 race team or whatever the heck it  is!i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:48:59 +0100i9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General Public ' Message-ID: <3C436E6B.DC2BEFF6@aaa.com>m   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:. > L > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, > news:00A0808D.587575BF@SendSpamHere.ORG...G > > ...and the public would then think that Compaq is in the sports cari > business.s > >n > K > Doh, aren't they??? They support the F1 race team or whatever the heck it  > is!e  A And Compaq actualy sponsered the illegal "race" where a number ofo	 (spoiled)iA younger men from the UK (mainly) drove on public roads as fast as  possibleE from somewhare in Finland (Helsinki ?) to somewhere in Europe passingo theE@ whole of Sweden in between. Breaking any speed limits there was.C Anyway, it was quite a scandal in Sweden when it was found out that D Compaq-Sweden was sponsoring this "event" and they got a fair bit of	 bad-will.s Talking about marketing...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:29:32 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General Publice' Message-ID: <3C43A304.3CF74D29@fsi.net>o   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >'N > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message. > > news:00A0808D.587575BF@SendSpamHere.ORG...I > > > ...and the public would then think that Compaq is in the sports car 
 > > business.s > > >  > >8M > > Doh, aren't they??? They support the F1 race team or whatever the heck its > > is!  > C > And Compaq actualy sponsered the illegal "race" where a number ofg > (spoiled) C > younger men from the UK (mainly) drove on public roads as fast as 
 > possibleG > from somewhare in Finland (Helsinki ?) to somewhere in Europe passing  > theaB > whole of Sweden in between. Breaking any speed limits there was.E > Anyway, it was quite a scandal in Sweden when it was found out thatCF > Compaq-Sweden was sponsoring this "event" and they got a fair bit of > bad-will.s > Talking about marketing...  % I have only one word to say to that: :   Gumball!   Anyone remember the flick?  E At the starting point, one driver says to his sidekick (in a moderaten accent):  F "First rule of Italian sports driving:" (Rips the rear-view mirror off2 the glass.) "What's behind me is *NOT* important!"   -- s David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:31:17 GMTi1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General Publice' Message-ID: <3C43A36E.2FE00001@fsi.net>r   JF Mezei wrote:  > M > Some people dream that they will eventually get a system that is realiable.i) > Other people choose VMS and get it NOW.c  D We *GOTTA* do it, y'all! We got too many great ideas floatin' around here!f   -- t David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2002 20:38:04 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.120519.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell) 1 Subject: Re: VMS Marketing For the General Publico. Message-ID: <eVdgwCv8U$E5@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  c In article <3C436E6B.DC2BEFF6@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:o >> uM >> "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message - >> news:00A0808D.587575BF@SendSpamHere.ORG...hH >> > ...and the public would then think that Compaq is in the sports car >> business. >> > >> gL >> Doh, aren't they??? They support the F1 race team or whatever the heck it >> is! > C > And Compaq actualy sponsered the illegal "race" where a number ofe > (spoiled)oC > younger men from the UK (mainly) drove on public roads as fast aso
 > possibleG > from somewhare in Finland (Helsinki ?) to somewhere in Europe passinge > theaB > whole of Sweden in between. Breaking any speed limits there was.    : Sounds like a European version of the Cannonball Run.  :-)    E > Anyway, it was quite a scandal in Sweden when it was found out thatcF > Compaq-Sweden was sponsoring this "event" and they got a fair bit of > bad-will.) > Talking about marketing... >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.l -- gO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxe: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== N Sparky (from Bring It On): "In cheerleading, we throw people in the air.  Fat  	people don't go as high."   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 2002 13:16:59 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.120519.killspam.00c7 (Wayne Sewell)d2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being. Message-ID: <lxQLY1n+lTco@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  F In article <a1v53p$4ok$1@spies.com>, aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) writes:a > From article <u46499q5nm1mb5@corp.supernews.com>, by Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>:r
 >> that's all  >> he's shown here for VMS.c > < > Please delete alt.sys.pdp10 from follow-ups on this topic.    G And castrate the sumbitch who crossposted there in the first place.  WeaN wouldn't have had to listen to all this Crispin shit if he hadn't done that.       -- nO ===============================================================================bM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxT: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)tO ===============================================================================bN Sparky (from Bring It On): "In cheerleading, we throw people in the air.  Fat  	people don't go as high."   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 13:51:18 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0201141351.3cf2a5ba@posting.google.com>t  f Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote in message news:<u46499q5nm1mb5@corp.supernews.com>...: > In comp.os.vms David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:I > :> they had full ASCII terminals.  But they had aggressive contempt for-N > :> anything done by anyone else, and they adopted the 1960s operating system >  nJ > : Sorry bigot, but your last paragraph has a contradiction.  If the VMS K > : developers had 'aggressive contempt' for anything done by anyone else, eJ > : then how could they have adopted anything done by anyone else, and if I > : they could have done it for one prior practice, then they could have  # > : done it for any prior practice.d > = > I can't be the only one shaking my head at Cripsin's use of A > "aggressive contempt" to describe someone else, when that's alla > he's shown here for VMS.  J case sensitive filenames spell "T R O U B L E" ... VMS group did it right!K as for poor Mark, you'll have to forgive him, as a is one of many fustrated4 unix users ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:14:26 GMTn' From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@mail.com>e2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being( Message-ID: <3C43BAA6.85123AB1@mail.com>   Mark Crispin wrote:@ > ...eJ > Then the developers of VMS built their filesystem, and it was ASCII, andF > they had full ASCII terminals.  But they had aggressive contempt forK > anything done by anyone else, and they adopted the 1960s operating system G > behavior of case-independence for their own and claimed that it was ad
 > feature.  J So, they did not start with RSX-11 as there base which used RAD50 and thus only upper case?   -- w C.W.Holeman II  cwhii@acm.org				http://emle.org- http://also.as/cwhii		http://JulianLocals.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:14:38 GMT ' From: "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@mail.com>t2 Subject: Re: why case independence came into being( Message-ID: <3C43BAB2.BDDB2293@mail.com>   Mark Crispin wrote:e > J > In the beginning, there were small computers, and they did not have muchH > memory.  Yet the hackers said, "let there be a filesystem" and behold!J > there was a filesystem.  But there was not much space, and the computersL > used word sizes that were multiples of 6 (12, 18, and 36), so the names ofK > the files where stored, even unto the program names, in a six-bit form ofbI > ASCII which started with 000 as space and ended with 077 as underscore.e > J > And the filesystem was exceedingly good and admired throughout the land,J > even though it had no lower case, since at that time most terminals wereK > uppercase only devices, yea, even the VT05s which were displays and couldA > run the good version of TECO.n > D > Then one day, full ASCII terminals did appear, and there was greatK > rejoicing; for the users could enter and display text in a form which did K > appear good to them.  But soon a darkness fell upon the land, for none ofnL > the programs did recognize the lower case, nay, not even unto the commandsL > and the file names.  And the users did gather, and formed a lynch mob, andJ > threatened the hackers with a purchase of IBM equipment if this were not > fixed. > D > And the hackers were troubled, since fixing the filesystem was notG > practical, and the righteous anger of the users was not swayed by thebJ > response of "use the CAPS LOCK key."  So the hackers did come up with anI > idea, which was to treat lowercase alphabetics as uppercase alphabeticsrL > for the purpose of commands and filenames, since the other characters from6 > 0140 to 0176 were specials and could be disregarded. > L > And the idea worked, and there was once again great rejoicing in the land. > K > And then the developers of Tenex did come up with a filesystem which usedrG > ASCII instead of SIXBIT, but they had few applications, and had to bepK > compatible with the older operating system.  So although their filesystemdJ > was case-dependent, they decreed that the system calls should all coerceI > lowercase letters to upper case, so that compatibility may be achieved,b" > and no new lynch mob shall form. > E > And so it was done, and TOPS-20 inherited this behavior from Tenex.hF > TOPS-20 has a case-dependent filesystem, but you have to work to getI > lowercase letters or special characters (such as "*") into filenames bys* > quoting each such character with CTRL/V. > = > But it worked, and there was rejoicing throughout the land.t > K > Then the developers of UNIX built their filesystem, and it was ASCII, andoK > they had full ASCII terminals, and they had no need to be compatible with1B > 1960s operating systems.  And it worked, and there was rejoicing > throughout the land. > J > Then the developers of VMS built their filesystem, and it was ASCII, andF > they had full ASCII terminals.  But they had aggressive contempt forK > anything done by anyone else, and they adopted the 1960s operating systemcG > behavior of case-independence for their own and claimed that it was ai
 > feature. >  > -- Mark -- > ! > http://staff.washington.edu/mrceH > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.   -- y C.W.Holeman II  cwhii@acm.org				http://emle.org- http://also.as/cwhii		http://JulianLocals.comh   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 13:41:18 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Why VMS is the best!o= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0201141341.4a456aca@posting.google.com>h  ' Found this on the web ... tells it all!m   Why is VMS so good? E Joe Bednorz sent me a couple of mail messages where he writes what he D feels about VMS, and it pretty much compare to my feelings about it. Here's a summary:C  D There are several things that make up a good OS, and VMS has most of
 the features:t   User available features:     Very good documentation. o Very good help for users. B Consistent commands and command names (like SET to do all kinds ofF settings), and one CLI with all the features you might need (who needs& sh or bash, or tcsh for that matter?). Consistently made editors! 1F Logical names, definable on system level as well as on personal level.D Error codes that are consistent, and uniquely identifies the problemC at hand! And mapped to them, messages that have a meaning. And also < the ability to have sub-error codes and sub-sub-error codes.   Programming features:    A great debugger. 3 The common language independent routine libraries. aD All kinds of extra products to help you when building programs, link MMS, CMS, FMS, ...E The file system, RMS! It includes indexed files, which can be changedn" by several users at the same time. System features: o A robust file system! ! No partitions (there's no need!) o  No need for suid and sgid bits. C A backup utility that can handle and get past tape errors (and even- recover the erroneous bits). Backup dates on files! 2A Computer interoperability over networks (clusters, even competingMD companies will admit to the superiority of Digital VAXcluster (which% should really be called VMScluster)).a3 SECURITY! ("What? No world-readable passwd file?") n# All kinds of monitor capabilities.  F Process privileges! You can delegate responsibility in small parts! NoE need to give the lowly operator access to the whole system ("What? No 
 'root'?").> Rights identifiers! Give selected users (from many groups) the7 possibility to share a project, account-wise and so on.a  P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  > This page was made by Richard Levitte <levitte@lp.se>, Levitte Programmingv1 Last modified: Wednesday, April 23 1997, 06:44:47o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:27:34 -0500l0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>$ Subject: Re: Windows version of DCL?5 Message-ID: <gMC08.10471$Q06.66506@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>t   Hi!m  * Too bad you got blasted by another poster.  J I too, am a fervent believer of VMS but sometimes you don`t have a choice.F "People", those who know nothing about our trade, like Windows becauseL that`s the only thing they know, and that`s the only thing they can use withF a certain level of success. I personally don't like it. I may like theF "look" of it (it's good to have wysiwyg when you write a document with' different fonts), but that's  about it.m  J Because many like Windows, today I find myself looking for ways to migrateH good DCL to Windows because our software vendor decided that its payrollL system, developped many years (more than 10) ago has decided to only supportE Windows and the Internet Explorer from now on. All the good old Cobol<G programs remain, but will be compiled under Windows (can`t remember theuK compiler name, since nothing is standard on Windows) and be the back end of  that system.  H So I`m glad to know there are alternatives to the DOS scripts which haveL about 0.0000000001% as much functionality as DCL. If I don't want my clientsG to go click-click-click all day to get things done, things that are now I running automatically under VMS, I have to look at products like the onesfI you mention. Or start to lean VBscript. I must evaluate all this before Ie start the migration.   Thanks for your suggestions!   --   SyltremlI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  D "Chuck Chopp" <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> a crit dans le message news:  3C3E428C.EBFD5695@rtfmcsi.com... > RM wrote:  > < > > Is there a version of DCL that will run on a Windows PC? > 1 > http://www.advsyscon.com/products/xlnt/xlnt.aspe >hG > XLNT was originally billed as "DCL on WinNT and Win9x".  It has sinceaA > grown into something slightly different but still very familiariC > looking.  Another alternative that will seem familiar is WinBatchhJ > [http://www.winbatch.com]; although it is not explicitly DCL on Windows,I > it is still very easy to use and will seem very DCL-like in appearance.a >r >= > --
 > Chuck Chopph >?: > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager9 >                                   8007740718@skytel.comi >s >  >n   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Jan 02 16:45:02 -0800* From: "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@sky.bus.com>O Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:     The deme/ Message-ID: <3101.779T133T10053062@sky.bus.com>o  3 In article <3C400BA5.38811FFD@cbau.freeserve.co.uk>h: christian.bau@cbau.freeserve.co.uk (Christian Bau) writes:   >Charlie Gibbs wrote:h > C >> Drag a file icon to the trash; it's deleted.  Drag a folder icontE >> to the trash; it's deleted.  I almost lost my lunch the first time E >> I saw someone drag a floppy disk icon to the trash.  My (obviously-F >> incorrectly wired) brain extrapolated the other examples to suggestE >> that the entire disk was going to be trashed (formatted, perhaps).e >gE >Obviously that means that if you used a computer with a GUI that youaD >are not hundred percent familiar with, and if you see a floppy diskE >icon and a trashcan icon and if you wish to eject the disk, then youaH >will not drag the floppy disk to the trashcan. Which is quite sensible.H >You would look for an eject item in a menu, maybe look for a mechanical- >eject button near the floppy disk drive etc.t  C A few Mac users got stung by those models that put the power buttontB right about where the eject button should be.  I can just hear theA designers at Apple saying "Oops!" as they returned to the drawing  board.  :-)   E >But the fact that dragging a floppy disc icon to the trashcan ejects  >it doesn't cause you any harm.e  " Well, it did disturb my digestion.  D >The only harm that was almost caused to you came from the fact thatB >someone else did something that you believed was harmful, but theA >person doing it knew exactly that it wasn't. (On the other hand,nF >if I saw a six year old getting their hands on my computer and movingF >icons around, I know that the harddisk icon is the only thing that isD >actually safe; I would be _extremely_ worried about anything else).  D The icon might be safe, but I'd be mighty worried about the contents; of that hard disk.  It's amazing what six-year-olds can do.   H >On the other hand, if those two icons are on the screen, then obviouslyD >a user _can_ drag the floppy disk icon on the trashcan. Now what isD >supposed to happen if they do this? You think that the most logicalH >thing to happen is that the floppy disc is erased, and I can even agreeE >with you. However, in this particular situation if the computer doestG >the most logical thing then you will have many very unhappy customers.   C That means that either the design was illogical, or it was cateringnE to customers who the designers knew were equally illogical.  Nowadaysw5 it seems that being logical is often a handicap.  :-/g  D >By the way: Drag a file icon to the trash, and it is _not_ deleted.E >It is moved to the trash. That's why it is a trashcan icon and not as >shredder icon.e  B Yes, I know that you can take things out of the trash, which has aE real-world counterpart.  But in both places you do this only when youaE change your mind; you put things into the trash because you intend to 
 destroy them.o  E Besides, my mother always told me that taking things out of the trash. was unsanitary.  :-)   --" cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs)5 Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply.mD I don't read top-posted messages.  If you want me to see your reply,? appropriately trim the quoted text and put your reply below it.!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:34:23 -0500  From: Paul Guertin <pg@sff.net>tO Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:     The dem A Message-ID: <1ja74ugiqe5ekget08gjhtrlihv9jmmjgr@news.newsguy.com>l  9 Christian Bau <christian.bau@cbau.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:   I > Then comes the usual sermon that a three button mouse is so much better G > than a single button mouse. But I only ever hear this from people whoe; > have no experience with a single button mouse whatsoever.   ? Or maybe you just *think* your detractors have no single buttonlA experience. I've been using Macintoshes for 15 years, and I think=) two or three buttons are better than one.   G > The last bit was someone posting how unintuitive the use of the shiftoH > button together with a mouse click is, and that this was a huge design > mistake that Apple made. a  C I am that someone, and I what I said was: "If your interface uses a=D meta key to put the mouse in some special mode, then put that key onB the mouse itself, not on an unrelated peripheral." Don't you agree& that doing so would be more intuitive?  A Do you think that putting the command key on the mouse would make7& the interface more intuitive, or less?   Paul Guertin
 pg@sff.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:32:38 -08001, From: David Brower <David.Brower@oracle.com>Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: Thedemise of compaq )d) Message-ID: <3C433256.7F6528B@oracle.com>e   jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > - > In article <3c3f406d$2@news.sierratel.com>, 8 >    "Walter Rottenkolber" <waltjr@sierratel.com> wrote: > >p& > >Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote in message1 > ><20020111074725.6aa55981.steveo@eircom.net>... & > >>On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:39:49 +01008 > >>Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> wrote: > >>D > >>TM> Not _nearly_ as bad as current movies about the same things. > >>F > >> Can you cite any examples where movies have been better than evenK > >>quite bad books in the same genre ? I am quite sure that there are *no*=I > >>science fiction films that improve on novels with similar topics (letB& > >>alone the ones they are based on).  K Since you ask, "Rififi" is a definitive caper film:  In 1955, Truffaut said-G "out of the worst crime novels I have ever read, Jules Dassin has made b' the best crime film I have ever seen." d  G I'll agree that the movie "Hackers" isn't as good as the book.  CastinggM Angelina Jolie as RMS seemed really wrong, but I understand the demographics.6   -dB1   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 14:26:14 -05001 From: "Matthew X. Economou" <xenophon@irtnog.org>sB Subject: Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha0 Message-ID: <w4o7kqk7mzt.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>  ? I have one more problem, now that I have the software installedi
 correctly.  E I need to run the following NCP commands manually every time I reboote my OpenVMS system:  G set node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee load -c) _ file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sysh  E define node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee - . _ load file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sys  , I'm not certain how to add these commands to@ SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, as the NCP command doesn't acceptE command-line parameters (e.g. "NCP SET NODE ..." from DCL).  How do Ir/ make these settings permanent through restarts?n   -- nF Matthew X. Economou <xenophon@irtnog.org> - Unsafe at any clock speed!J "Little grey men are coming our way (tastes just like chicken, they say)."	  - Clutchw   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Jan 2002 15:48:02 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)nB Subject: Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha3 Message-ID: <XIeLgfOeGOPF@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  d In article <w4o7kqk7mzt.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>, "Matthew X. Economou" <xenophon@irtnog.org> writes:A > I have one more problem, now that I have the software installed  > correctly. > G > I need to run the following NCP commands manually every time I rebootn > my OpenVMS system: > I > set node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee load -/+ > _ file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sys- > G > define node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee -@0 > _ load file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sys > . > I'm not certain how to add these commands toB > SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, as the NCP command doesn't acceptG > command-line parameters (e.g. "NCP SET NODE ..." from DCL).  How do I"1 > make these settings permanent through restarts?   E    NCP will accecpt command line parameters if you invoke it with ther    MCR command:       MCR NCP set node ...   C    You can also start NCP, then list the commands ending with exit.aC    Be sure that commands to NCP do not start with $, and that othern    command lines do.  E    If you are running Phase IV, you should only have to do the defineoD    command once, which puts the data in the permanent data base.  OnB    every reboot, all data is read from the permanent data base andH    loaded into the volatile data base.  Set is the corresponding command.    which changes only the permanent data base.  F    If you are running Phase V, you should translate the command to NCL3    and update one of the .ncl files in sys$startup.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:46:24 -0500e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>B Subject: Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha5 Message-ID: <1020114174010.1925C-100000@Ives.egh.com>   " On 14 Jan 2002, Bob Koehler wrote:  f > In article <w4o7kqk7mzt.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>, "Matthew X. Economou" <xenophon@irtnog.org> writes:C > > I have one more problem, now that I have the software installede > > correctly. > > I > > I need to run the following NCP commands manually every time I rebootr > > my OpenVMS system: > > K > > set node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee load -a- > > _ file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sysc > > I > > define node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee -e2 > > _ load file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sys > > 0 > > I'm not certain how to add these commands toD > > SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, as the NCP command doesn't acceptI > > command-line parameters (e.g. "NCP SET NODE ..." from DCL).  How do Id3 > > make these settings permanent through restarts?c > G >    NCP will accecpt command line parameters if you invoke it with thei >    MCR command:b >  >    MCR NCP set node ...f > E >    You can also start NCP, then list the commands ending with exit.nE >    Be sure that commands to NCP do not start with $, and that othero >    command lines do. > G >    If you are running Phase IV, you should only have to do the define F >    command once, which puts the data in the permanent data base.  OnD >    every reboot, all data is read from the permanent data base andJ >    loaded into the volatile data base.  Set is the corresponding command0 >    which changes only the permanent data base.%                             ^^^^^^^^^s%                             volatile   > H >    If you are running Phase V, you should translate the command to NCL5 >    and update one of the .ncl files in sys$startup.   D Otherwise, I agree with Bob.  You should only need to do the "defineE node" command ONCE, and DECnet should remember it forever, an use thelD settings every time you boot.  If this isn't the case, then there is, something broken with your DECnet databases.  > Are you executing anything else in your system startup that is@ clearing or purging or otherwise changing your decnet databases?  A For example, are you invoking a DECServer startup or load commandJB file?  If so, look in there to see if it is doing something bogus.   -- W John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:35:40 GMTV2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: [Q] Installing the VXT2000+ software on OpenVMS/Alpha. Message-ID: <wPK08.15$PZ4.79@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <w4o7kqk7mzt.fsf@eco-fs1.irtnog.org>, "Matthew X. Economou" <xenophon@irtnog.org> writes: ..F :I need to run the following NCP commands manually every time I reboot :my OpenVMS system:d  G   I'm going to guess you have DECnet-Plus, though the NCP commands you tC   show are for DECnet Phase IV.  (When posting, please include the  D   relevent version and product information, for OpenVMS and for the B   other products referenced in the question.  Thanks!  For a briefD   introduction to the sort of information that folks can really use,A   and can particularly use to answer your question more quickly, v:   please see the introductory section of the OpenVMS FAQ.)  H :set node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee load -* :_ file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sys :oF :define node ecovxt address 10.64 hardware address 08-00-2b-9a-f0-ee -/ :_ load file sys$sysdevice:[vxt$library]vxt.sysn :y- :I'm not certain how to add these commands toeA :SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, as the NCP command doesn't accepto< :command-line parameters (e.g. "NCP SET NODE ..." from DCL).  B   DCL and NCP can be gotten to work together -- for examples, see >   how NETCONFIG and various other existing DCL tools call NCP.  9 :How do I make these settings permanent through restarts?e  ?   The NCP DEFINE command shown should do that for you, if this u   is DECnet Phase IV.h  >   If this is DECnet-Plus, you will probably want to invoke the?   DECNET_REGISTER.EXE stuff or -- a different and likely bettern?   approach, if you have OpenVMS V6.2 or later  -- use LANCP forh>   the download and for the registration.  LANCP can completely>   replace the MOP service and DECnet database requirements for>   dowbloads -- you will have to switch off any existing DECnetA   service settings (NCP> SET NODE SERVICE STATE OFF, then DEFINE a!   it) if you choose to use LANCP.e    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.027 ************************