0 INFO-VAX	Fri, 18 Jan 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 34      Contents:% Re: add node in DSSI cluster question % Re: add node in DSSI cluster question % RE: add node in DSSI cluster question  Announcing Oracle Rdb V7.0.6.3 Antigen found =*.lnk file ( RE: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?( Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?( Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?( Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?( Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?( Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?( Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS? Re: Asking  your opinion Re: Asking  your opinion Re: Asking  your opinion Re: Asking  your opinion Re: Asking  your opinion Re: Asking  your opinion9 Re: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows! 9 Re: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows! 9 Re: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows! 4 Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today4 Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today4 Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today4 Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today4 Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today4 Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today4 re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today% Branching (was: VMS missing features)  Re: Buffer Overflows3 building a vms box as a project.. is this possible? 7 Re: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible? 7 RE: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible? < Re: Calling COBOL "called programs" from Non-COBOL languages< Re: Calling COBOL "called programs" from Non-COBOL languages< Re: Calling COBOL "called programs" from Non-COBOL languages Re: Change quorum disk question  Re: Change quorum disk question  Re: Change quorum disk question  Re: Change quorum disk question " Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business" Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS BusinessA Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? A Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected? L Re: Films and Books. [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ] Re: FTP Success/Failure?; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!  GNV Update now available9 Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory 9 Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory 9 Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory 9 Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory / RE: HP explains the decision to axe the HP 3000 B Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of CompaqB Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of CompaqB Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of CompaqB Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of CompaqB Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of CompaqB Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of CompaqB Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of CompaqB Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaq3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ? 3 Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?  Re: microshaft lookout5 Re: Need help with ANAL/ERROR output -- 2 disk errors P Re: OT Eggplants and Aubergines [was Re: Younger recruits versus   experiencedveP Re: OT Eggplants and Aubergines [was Re: Younger recruits versusexperiencedveterP Re: Pathworks V6 VMS Server as BDC in NT Domain: machine account gets out of synP RE: Pathworks V6 VMS Server as BDC in NT Domain: machine account gets out of syn Re: Pro merger( Re: Purveyor is superior for VMS - proof) Re: Questions about VIOC on VMS 7.3 Alpha  Re: Queue problemsP Re: Rise and Fall of the Magaloids (was Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline fi SCopy 	 Re: SCopy ( Re: TCPIP services QIO readvblk question triple boot " Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?" Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?" Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?& Re: VMS person looking for a job in UK& Re: VMS person looking for a job in UK& Re: VMS person looking for a job in UKB Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: The demB Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: The dem1 [OT / Humor] Things not to do on a *nix system... 5 Re: [OT / Humor] Things not to do on a *nix system... 9 Re: [Q] Why is there the limit of 8 levels of directories 9 Re: [Q] Why is there the limit of 8 levels of directories 9 Re: [Q] Why is there the limit of 8 levels of directories   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 Jan 2002 23:15:43 -0800( From: giese@volkswerft.de (Rainer Giese). Subject: Re: add node in DSSI cluster question= Message-ID: <2f256f8d.0201172315.5006da86@posting.google.com>   I > On node B the system disk is DIB0.  How do I boot node B?  If I just do : > "boot dib0" will it try to boot from the sys0 directory?  ' You tell him his root with "BOOT/R5:1".    Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:37:54 +0100 , From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>. Subject: Re: add node in DSSI cluster question= Message-ID: <3c47df29$0$200$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>   5 "Rainer Giese" <giese@volkswerft.de> wrote in message 7 news:2f256f8d.0201172315.5006da86@posting.google.com... K > > On node B the system disk is DIB0.  How do I boot node B?  If I just do < > > "boot dib0" will it try to boot from the sys0 directory? > ) > You tell him his root with "BOOT/R5:1".   . NO!!! This will boot you into SYSBOOT of SYS0.  < You have to specify "BOOT/R5:10000000" for a normal boot, or7 "BOOT/R5:10000001" for a conversational (SYSBOOT) boot.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:49:45 +0100 7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com> . Subject: RE: add node in DSSI cluster questionO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6BFD@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>   ' On the node A do a "show cluster /cont"   " I hope you see something like this  H View of Cluster from system ID xxxx  node: A        18-JAN-2002 12:37:509 +-------------------------------------------------------+ 9 |      SYSTEMS      |              MEMBERS              | 9 |-------------------+-----------------------------------| 9 |  NODE  | SOFTWARE | VOTES | EXPECT | QUORUM |  STATUS | 9 |--------+----------+-------+--------+--------+---------| 9 | A      | VMS V7.1 |     1 |      3 |      2 | MEMBER  | 9 | HAWK   | CSV B477 |       |        |        |         | 9 | B      | VMS V7.1 |       |        |        |         | 9 +-------------------------------------------------------+ L +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+L |                                  CLUSTER                                 |L |--------------------------------------------------------------------------|L | CL_EXP | CL_QUORUM | CL_VOTES | QF_VOTE | CL_MEMBERS |  LAST_TRANSITION  |L |--------+-----------+----------+---------+------------+-------------------|L |      3 |         2 |        2 | NO      |          1 |  4-SEP-2001 15:41 |L +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+# Then do on the bootprompt of node B   
 "show dev" "Set bflg 10000000"  "set boot dib0"   	 and then   simply     "Boot" Then is the same as  "BOOT/R5:10000000 dib0"   4 But uses the default values of bflg and bootdevice.   * On node A you will see something like this    y View of Cluster from system ID 2106  node: MG                                                        18-JAN-2002 12:37:50 9 +-------------------------------------------------------+ 9 |      SYSTEMS      |              MEMBERS              | 9 |-------------------+-----------------------------------| 9 |  NODE  | SOFTWARE | VOTES | EXPECT | QUORUM |  STATUS | 9 |--------+----------+-------+--------+--------+---------| 9 | MG     | VMS V7.1 |     1 |      3 |      2 | MEMBER  | 9 | HAWK   | CSV B477 |       |        |        |         | 9 | NA     | VMS V7.1 |     1 |      1 |      1 | MEMBER  | 9 +-------------------------------------------------------+ L +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+L |                                  CLUSTER                                 |L |--------------------------------------------------------------------------|L | CL_EXP | CL_QUORUM | CL_VOTES | QF_VOTE | CL_MEMBERS |  LAST_TRANSITION  |L |--------+-----------+----------+---------+------------+-------------------|L |      3 |         2 |        2 | NO      |          2 |  4-SEP-2001 15:41 |L +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+  Z Yes I know the values of the expected votes and quorum for MG correct and for NA not, but  that was not the question :)   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Bart Zorn [mailto:B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl] $ > Sent: vrijdag 18 januari 2002 9:38 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: add node in DSSI cluster question >  > 7 > "Rainer Giese" <giese@volkswerft.de> wrote in message 9 > news:2f256f8d.0201172315.5006da86@posting.google.com... @ > > > On node B the system disk is DIB0.  How do I boot node B?  >  If I just do > > > > "boot dib0" will it try to boot from the sys0 directory? > > + > > You tell him his root with "BOOT/R5:1".  > 0 > NO!!! This will boot you into SYSBOOT of SYS0. > > > You have to specify "BOOT/R5:10000000" for a normal boot, or9 > "BOOT/R5:10000001" for a conversational (SYSBOOT) boot.  >  > Bart Zorn  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:44:37 -0500 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>' Subject: Announcing Oracle Rdb V7.0.6.3 * Message-ID: <3C486D15.ADBBE208@oracle.com>  6 Oracle Rdb7 Release V7.0.6.3 is now available.  Please3 contact your Oracle Rdb Support representitive for   additional information.     <         Software Errors Fixed in Oracle Rdb7 Release 7.0.6.3  0 - Disabling AIJ When Row Cache Recovery Required; - Query With Range List OR Predicates Returns Wrong Results B - Performance Problems when RDM$BIND_SNAP_QUIET_POINT Defined to 0C - Workload Ignored When Loaded With RMU/INSERT OPTIMIZER_STATISTICS 2 - Zero Index Prefix Cardinality After Create Index1 - RDB-E-ARITH_EXCEPT Error From the Rdb Optimizer A - COMPUTED BY Columns Now Automatically Reserve Referenced Tables > - Bugchecks in PIOGB$PURGE_BUFFER After Node Failure When Row    Cache in Use* - Page Locking Problems in Release 7.0.6.2- - Poor Choice of Indexes by Dynamic Optimizer $ - Storage Area Default Size Increase. - Query Slows Down Using Full Index Scan [0:0]8 - Recovery Process Caused Excessive Snapshot File Growth8 - Select With Identical "not in" Clauses Causes BugcheckA - Queries Ending in Reserved Words Fail to Execute in Dynamic SQL 8 - SQL$MOD Compiler Does Not Recognize G_FLOAT With COBOL   Oracle RMU Errors Fixed 8 - RMU/ANALYZE/CARDINALITY Fails on Databases with Local    Temporary Tables6 - RMU/COPY/BLOCKS_PER_PAGE Can Corrupt Copied Database0 - DROPped Storage Area and RMU/VERIFY in Cluster< - RMU Fails to Perform OPTIMIZER_STATISTICS Actions on Some    Databases 4 - RMU Tape Density Problems Starting With VMS V7.2-1A - Oracle Rdb7 Release 7.0.6.2 Process Hangs During AIJ Switchover 3 - Stream ID Format is Different in Different Places = - AUTO_RECONNECT Variable Value is not Honored When Imported  /   From a RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Configuration File A - Some RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Counters Can Be Used To Define Events  +   In Interactive Mode But Not In Batch Mode C - RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Online Analysis Configuration Options Do Not     Work Properly > - Missing "U" for Utility Jobs in RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Displays+ - RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Mixes Up Count Labels 8 - Errors in Saved RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Configuration File0 - RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Shows Incorrect Area Sizes5 - RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Allowed Suspend of Disabled ABS ? - Area Locks Demoted Statistic Not Always Correctly Incremented 4 - RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Does Not Honor CHECKPOINT_SORT? - RMU/SHOW STATISTICS CHECKPOINT_ALARM Does Not Give Out OPCOMs   <         Enhancements Provided in Oracle Rdb7 Release 7.0.6.3  2 - Field Widths Wider on Row Cache Overview Display! - New BITSTRING Built In Function C - RMU/SHOW STATISTICS Active User Stall Messages Sort by Process Id  - New Character Set ISOLATIN9 ? - Euro Character Now Supported Within the DEC_MCS Character Set 3 - RMU Support Added for New VMS Tape Density Values    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 01:03:12 -0600  From: Antigen@cpmx.mail.saic.com" Subject: Antigen found =*.lnk fileA Message-ID: <KC-MSXALONEp3MSi6xz00000574@kc-msxalone.kc.umkc.edu>   E You have received a file type that is not allowed to be sent at UMKC. B This file type is usually associated with email worms and viruses.b The sender can rename the file extension and re-send it if they wish. (i.e. rename .vbs to .vbtxt)  6 In a message with the subject of:  "INFO-VAX 2002.033") Sent from: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com  7 At the email address of: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com  L Antigen for Exchange found the file: Unknown->Launch Microsoft Outlook.lnk   Blocked by the filter filter . The file is:  Removed.    / The message was sent to: ,Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com { The message was discovered in the folder: SMTP Messages\Inbound  located at University of Missouri/Kansas City/KC-MSXALONE.    ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 18 Jan 02 13:20:04 +100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) 1 Subject: RE: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS? ) Message-ID: <a293tm$7kb$1@gwdu67.gwdg.de>   ) In Article <a26tn1$24s3$1@gwdu67.gwdg.de> ) huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes: 8 >In Article <0lod4u8ocqfvq7drkdsc6go1a86rp0t4bf@4ax.com>( >Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: >>? >> I just noticed a post in comp.unix.tru64 regarding a port of B >>something called "Antiword" to Tru64. Apparently it was trivial. >> >> ... >>C >>Has anyone used this and/or thought of a VMS port? I'd imagine it E >>shouldn't be too difficult. In fact might just about compile as is. ; >>Before I go and investigate this has anyone else done so?  >>* >>Web site at http://www.winfield.demon.nl >>-- >>Alan > M >I made a DCL procedure vms_make.com, and at least the word->postscript works 3 >reasonable. I did not make real extensive tests...  > 3 >reasonable. I did not make real extensive tests...   E Just now I took version 0.32, and the modiifications are now minimal: K in antiword.h, the directory specification for the font directory has to be > changed from Unix ".antowrd" to "antiword" (no leading dot !):   #if defined(VMS), /* .antiword changed to antiword for VMS  */* #define ANTIWORD_DIR            "antiword" #else + #define ANTIWORD_DIR            ".antiword"  #endif   and eventually the definition 5 #define GLOBAL_ANTIWORD_DIR     "/opt/antiword/share" / unless there is such a directory on Your site . . (At my side it is "/util_root/data/antiword").  > Look into http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/  D The only file changed from the original distribution is antiword.h .?  http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/antiword.he  J I added http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/vms_make.com ,E and http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/makefile.vms   (works with GNU make).  = Compiled o.k. with Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1:dB There is a multiply defined entry decc$wcwidth (from file utf8.c).K I have no test-file to see if the routine is working together with Compaq C?+ RTL, eventually remove wcwidth from utf8.c.e   -- oI This message does not represent the policies of the Max-Planck-Institute.oB Joseph "Sepp" Huber, MPI Physik, http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:45:47 +0000"% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t1 Subject: Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS? 8 Message-ID: <9l9g4u0uddipb78omsm52e6tscn5n927on@4ax.com>  B On Fri, 18 Jan 02 13:20:04 +100, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) wrote:  F >Just now I took version 0.32, and the modiifications are now minimal:L >in antiword.h, the directory specification for the font directory has to be? >changed from Unix ".antowrd" to "antiword" (no leading dot !):t  C How about firing that mod back at the author with a pointer to yoursC site so that the VMS port is listed on its home page. If that's all ; the change required I imagine the author will be delighted!l   >a >#if defined(VMS)c- >/* .antiword changed to antiword for VMS  */a+ >#define ANTIWORD_DIR            "antiword"  >#else, >#define ANTIWORD_DIR            ".antiword" >#endifO >  >and eventually the definition6 >#define GLOBAL_ANTIWORD_DIR     "/opt/antiword/share"0 >unless there is such a directory on Your site ./ >(At my side it is "/util_root/data/antiword").o > ? >Look into http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/i >fE >The only file changed from the original distribution is antiword.h . @ > http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/antiword.h >fK >I added http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/vms_make.com ,oF >and http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/makefile.vms  >(works with GNU make).o >V> >Compiled o.k. with Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1:C >There is a multiply defined entry decc$wcwidth (from file utf8.c).sL >I have no test-file to see if the routine is working together with Compaq C, >RTL, eventually remove wcwidth from utf8.c.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:47:56 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk1 Subject: Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?S+ Message-ID: <a29cis$8hd$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  ` In article <9l9g4u0uddipb78omsm52e6tscn5n927on@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:C >On Fri, 18 Jan 02 13:20:04 +100, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)  >wrote:e >rG >>Just now I took version 0.32, and the modiifications are now minimal:oM >>in antiword.h, the directory specification for the font directory has to bea@ >>changed from Unix ".antowrd" to "antiword" (no leading dot !): >iD >How about firing that mod back at the author with a pointer to yourD >site so that the VMS port is listed on its home page. If that's all< >the change required I imagine the author will be delighted! >e >> >>#if defined(VMS). >>/* .antiword changed to antiword for VMS  */, >>#define ANTIWORD_DIR            "antiword" >>#elser- >>#define ANTIWORD_DIR            ".antiword"  >>#endif >> >>and eventually the definitionS7 >>#define GLOBAL_ANTIWORD_DIR     "/opt/antiword/share"N1 >>unless there is such a directory on Your site .p0 >>(At my side it is "/util_root/data/antiword"). >>A >>Look into http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/ n >>F >>The only file changed from the original distribution is antiword.h .A >> http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/antiword.hi >>L >>I added http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/vms_make.com ,G >>and http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/makefile.vms   >>(works with GNU make). >>? >>Compiled o.k. with Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1:cD >>There is a multiply defined entry decc$wcwidth (from file utf8.c).M >>I have no test-file to see if the routine is working together with Compaq Cl- >>RTL, eventually remove wcwidth from utf8.c.a >v >--i >Alanc  C Also would it be possible to zip the files up for easy downloading.   5 http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/  / appears to just contain all the separate files.b  N I couldn't see any zip or tar file containing all the files with your changes.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 18 Jan 02 15:49:15 +100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)D1 Subject: Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?g) Message-ID: <a29cld$83j$1@gwdu67.gwdg.de>f  7 In Article <9l9g4u0uddipb78omsm52e6tscn5n927on@4ax.com>b' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:( > D >How about firing that mod back at the author with a pointer to yourD >site so that the VMS port is listed on its home page. If that's all< >the change required I imagine the author will be delighted! >l  I I have sent the message to the author Adri van Os just after the posting.o   -- rI This message does not represent the policies of the Max-Planck-Institute.vB Joseph "Sepp" Huber, MPI Physik, http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:21:32 +0000 (UTC)* From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk1 Subject: Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS? + Message-ID: <a29lis$bav$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   S In article <a29l21$8ii$1@gwdu67.gwdg.de>, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) writes:l+ >In Article <a29cis$8hd$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>-! >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes:- >>E >>Also would it be possible to zip the files up for easy downloading.o >>7 >>http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/ s1 >>appears to just contain all the separate files.dP >>I couldn't see any zip or tar file containing all the files with your changes. >>David Webb >d >o.k. , here it is:l > F > http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/antiword_vms.zip >:M >As said earlier, the differences have been sent to author for inclusion into2 >further distributions.B >    Thanks. Just downloaded it.>  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:37:12 GMTk- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>11 Subject: Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS? * Message-ID: <3C4861B7.1060902@qsl.network>   Alan Greig wrote:   D > On Fri, 18 Jan 02 13:20:04 +100, huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) > wrote: > G >>Just now I took version 0.32, and the modiifications are now minimal: M >>in antiword.h, the directory specification for the font directory has to be0@ >>changed from Unix ".antowrd" to "antiword" (no leading dot !): >> > E > How about firing that mod back at the author with a pointer to yourJE > site so that the VMS port is listed on its home page. If that's allS= > the change required I imagine the author will be delighted!1 >  >  >>#if defined(VMS)    # The MACRO VMS has been depreciated.t  L Please use the macro __VMS instead.  (That is with two leading underscores.)  < This is to be compliant with the current C / ANSI standards.  . >>/* .antiword changed to antiword for VMS  */, >>#define ANTIWORD_DIR            "antiword" >>#else-- >>#define ANTIWORD_DIR            ".antiword"- >>#endif >> >>and eventually the definitionQ7 >>#define GLOBAL_ANTIWORD_DIR     "/opt/antiword/share"+1 >>unless there is such a directory on Your site . 0 >>(At my side it is "/util_root/data/antiword").     [snip]  ? >>Compiled o.k. with Compaq C V6.2-008 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1:     . Try /WARN=ENABLE=(LEVEL4, QUESTCODE) on it :-)    D >>There is a multiply defined entry decc$wcwidth (from file utf8.c).M >>I have no test-file to see if the routine is working together with Compaq C - >>RTL, eventually remove wcwidth from utf8.c.-    G Watch out, it could be a routine with a different case than the one in R. the C library, and doing a different function.  H If so, then you need to use a macro to change it's name globally with a  prefix.-  G If not, the way to conditionally compile it would be to enclose it with: #ifndef HAVE_WCWIDTH #endif  I And then the macro HAVE_WCWIDTH should be put in the CONFIG.H file.  The pH mainatainer will then need to put the appropriate tests in the AUTOCONF J script and in the config.h.in.  That is assuming that it uses that method.   -Johns wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 18 Jan 02 18:12:29 +100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) 1 Subject: Re: Antiword MS Word reader port to VMS?1) Message-ID: <a29l21$8ii$1@gwdu67.gwdg.de>-  * In Article <a29cis$8hd$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>  david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes: > D >Also would it be possible to zip the files up for easy downloading. >S6 >http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/ 0 >appears to just contain all the separate files.O >I couldn't see any zip or tar file containing all the files with your changes.  >David Webb    o.k. , here it is:  E  http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/pds/antiword_0_32/antiword_vms.zip-  L As said earlier, the differences have been sent to author for inclusion into further distributions.   -- -I This message does not represent the policies of the Max-Planck-Institute. B Joseph "Sepp" Huber, MPI Physik, http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:45:25 +0000M( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>! Subject: Re: Asking  your opinion-) Message-ID: <3C4826F5.8D9EB03C@127.0.0.1>    Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Dear Newsgroup > M > I am looking at doing Technical Update Days again this year.  The following-L > is the list of topics.  Locations have not been decided.  I am asking yourJ > opinion on what you think of  these topics and if there is something you   Yes!  G However these are a lot of topics. Barring odd one or two, I would want C to see them all, so if you're considering split stream days, I'd bed* disappointed in the ones I'd have to skip.  E 39 topics (excluding the fullday). Say 1 hour per topic, 7 per day (31G AM, 4 PM) means two full days of three streams (42) with a little scopes@ for all-attendee sessions. 3 days of 2 streams is also possible.  C I guess you could put the VMSies in one stream with the webbies andh 'others' in another.  D Perhaps the full day session could be usd for selective split stream repeats? (=3 days)  F If this is not the way forward. maybe a vote on what folks wanna see ?   -- S( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:49:19 -0600m1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>e! Subject: Re: Asking  your opinion18 Message-ID: <a29cmk$i2u$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   Sue,  J I think the topic list is great.  Might be a bit much for a one-day event,L but this can be "tailored".  Perhaps a poll of the target audience to select0 their favorite ( 10 or so ) subjects might work.   Sign up the CARTS LUG.    = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messagew+ news:2tH18.162$PZ4.1506@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Dear Newsgroup > C > I am looking at doing Technical Update Days again this year.  Thed	 followingeL > is the list of topics.  Locations have not been decided.  I am asking yourJ > opinion on what you think of  these topics and if there is something youG > really feel is missing.  Please keep in mind that this is a technicali event,F > not marketing so a session on OpenVMS in Advertising is not going to happen. A > The local office/ambassador helps pick the topics for the area.n >: > I value your feedback. >  > Warm Regards,t > Suer >h > " > OpenVMS Strategy and directions, > Executive Lunch  >u# > OpenVMS and IPF systems (base OS)o >e) > Porting Applications to OpenVMS Itaniume >o > OpenVMS Technical update > J > Installing an OpenVMS Galaxy LAB - Hands on - one full day limited to 16 pera > daye >r > Advanced Server update >_0 > Trouble shooting Advanced Server and PATHWORKS >g/ > Advanced Server and PATHWORKS Hints and KinksP >o > TCP/IP and IPV6 Update >nG > Best Practices for VMS Performance for 2002 proven tools, techniques,7 > approaches >b > OpenVMS Hints and Kinksa >  > OpenVMS Availability Manager > 7 > Volume Shadowing Minicopy and HSG80 Mini Merge A-to-ZT >r> > Comparing Measured Performance of V7.3 Cluster Interconnects >SH > Using the V7.3 SCACP utility to Manage troubleshoot LAN based clusters >DB > Integration of OpenVMS Data & Applications (web enabling) - Apps >W6 > Compaq Secure Web Server (Apache) with Tomcat - Apps > 	 > DII COEe > 5 > Making OpenVMS attractive to Port UNIX Applications  >p > OpenVMS Graphics Workstations  >C  > Systems Directions and roadmap >H > Server Consolidation > 
 > Security/DTW >A > Storageworks roadmap >a > Console WorksW >A9 > Installing and Configuring Fibre Channel Storage on VMSt >S( > VAX to Alpha coexistence and migration >  > Oracle RDB >C > CHARON-VAX emulatorO >_ > SRI InternationalI >C > Linker >A > OpenVMS Middleware strategy  > ' > Storage and SAN implementation on VMS7 >l > Update on Java on OpenVMSs >d, > Introductions to OpenVMS Freeware Packages > " > Introduction to SAMBA on OpenVMS >C# > Transaction Processing on OpenVMSP >e > RMS Update >r+ > SMP/IO Performance enhancements and Plansp >tC > How will you introduce Alpha-IPF in your environment - discussion  >e >n >y >l >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:51:17 -0500n2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: Asking  your opinion31 Message-ID: <duX18.202$PZ4.2040@news.cpqcorp.net>e   It is a presentation< "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3C479547.75BECD5A@fsi.net...  > Sue Skonetski wrote:
 > > [snip]7 > > Making OpenVMS attractive to Port UNIX Applications. > 2 > Is this a presentation or OpenVMS seeking input? >V, > If a presentation, it may have some value. >c@ > If OpenVMS seeking input, will any of our "suggestions" make a
 > difference?h >e > -- > David J. Dachteraa > dba DJE Systemso > http://www.djesys.com/ >e* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/S   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:54:40 -0500l2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: Asking  your opinion-1 Message-ID: <oxX18.203$PZ4.2059@news.cpqcorp.net>u   Dave,.  L This can be several days with several different rooms the local field officeK decides and where available we will work with the LUG's.  We will only havedJ 5-6 this year since we use the engineers for this and they are rather busyE at the moment.  It is a pick and chose all topics can not be covered.e   sue   < "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:a29cmk$i2u$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com... > Sue, >vL > I think the topic list is great.  Might be a bit much for a one-day event,G > but this can be "tailored".  Perhaps a poll of the target audience toi select2 > their favorite ( 10 or so ) subjects might work. >d > Sign up the CARTS LUG. >t >/? > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message - > news:2tH18.162$PZ4.1506@news.cpqcorp.net...  > > Dear Newsgroup > >dE > > I am looking at doing Technical Update Days again this year.  Thel > followingsI > > is the list of topics.  Locations have not been decided.  I am askingm yourL > > opinion on what you think of  these topics and if there is something youI > > really feel is missing.  Please keep in mind that this is a technicale > event,H > > not marketing so a session on OpenVMS in Advertising is not going to	 > happen."C > > The local office/ambassador helps pick the topics for the area.  > >u > > I value your feedback. > >B > > Warm Regards,  > > Suei > >s > > $ > > OpenVMS Strategy and directions, > > Executive Lunchs > >t% > > OpenVMS and IPF systems (base OS)k > > + > > Porting Applications to OpenVMS Itaniumd > >/ > > OpenVMS Technical update > >oL > > Installing an OpenVMS Galaxy LAB - Hands on - one full day limited to 16 > per_ > > dayw > >e > > Advanced Server update > >p2 > > Trouble shooting Advanced Server and PATHWORKS > >w1 > > Advanced Server and PATHWORKS Hints and Kinkse > >  > > TCP/IP and IPV6 Update > >lI > > Best Practices for VMS Performance for 2002 proven tools, techniques,l > > approaches > >w > > OpenVMS Hints and Kinks  > >n  > > OpenVMS Availability Manager > >r9 > > Volume Shadowing Minicopy and HSG80 Mini Merge A-to-Zh > > @ > > Comparing Measured Performance of V7.3 Cluster Interconnects > >aJ > > Using the V7.3 SCACP utility to Manage troubleshoot LAN based clusters > >/D > > Integration of OpenVMS Data & Applications (web enabling) - Apps > > 8 > > Compaq Secure Web Server (Apache) with Tomcat - Apps > >t > > DII COE  > >r7 > > Making OpenVMS attractive to Port UNIX Applicationsn > >@! > > OpenVMS Graphics Workstations: > >0" > > Systems Directions and roadmap > >t > > Server Consolidation > >0 > > Security/DTi > >i > > Storageworks roadmap > >o > > Console Works  > >f; > > Installing and Configuring Fibre Channel Storage on VMS" > >w* > > VAX to Alpha coexistence and migration > >u > > Oracle RDB > >k > > CHARON-VAX emulatorn > >o > > SRI Internationale > >p
 > > Linker > >i > > OpenVMS Middleware strategy  > >e) > > Storage and SAN implementation on VMSg > >l > > Update on Java on OpenVMS  > >w. > > Introductions to OpenVMS Freeware Packages > >R$ > > Introduction to SAMBA on OpenVMS > >i% > > Transaction Processing on OpenVMS  > >i > > RMS Update > >l- > > SMP/IO Performance enhancements and Plans  > >oE > > How will you introduce Alpha-IPF in your environment - discussion( > >  > >i > >" > >_ > >d > >n >o >)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:59:17 +0100f9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>a! Subject: Re: Asking  your opinion.' Message-ID: <3C484655.AD118F3B@aaa.com>h   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Dave,g > N > This can be several days with several different rooms the local field officeM > decides and where available we will work with the LUG's.  We will only havewL > 5-6 this year since we use the engineers for this and they are rather busyG > at the moment.  It is a pick and chose all topics can not be covered.e    C Could any of them be held somewhere in the "upper part" of Europe ?t Why not in Stockholm ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:50:30 -050025 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNOSP@Mcompaq.com>r! Subject: Re: Asking  your opinion$1 Message-ID: <JfZ18.212$PZ4.2287@news.cpqcorp.net>p  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messagew+ news:duX18.202$PZ4.2040@news.cpqcorp.net...e > It is a presentation> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3C479547.75BECD5A@fsi.net...a > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > > [snip]9 > > > Making OpenVMS attractive to Port UNIX Applicationso > >t4 > > Is this a presentation or OpenVMS seeking input? > >t. > > If a presentation, it may have some value. > > B > > If OpenVMS seeking input, will any of our "suggestions" make a > > difference?I  L I'm the guy who asked Sue to put the "Making OpenVMS attractive to Port UNIXJ Applications" session on the list.  The plan would be for it to provide asJ much technical content as I could, but, I would also be certain to leave aL Q&A period a the end becuase feedback is very important to us at this point.  L Regarding 'will any of our "suggestions" make a difference?', yes they will.F We're kicking off a lot of work in this area, we want to be sure we do what's of value.  
 Brad McCuskern   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 03:54 CSTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)/B Subject: Re: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!- Message-ID: <18JAN200203545728@gerg.tamu.edu>m  ! system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes...~i }In article <d7791aa1.0201171133.7e5267b3@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:8$ }>as we didn't know this already ... }>" }>Gates Finally Discovers Security }> }>by Michelle Delioa }>* }>Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:50 p.m. EST }>F }>Bill Gates' memo to Microsoft employees urging an increased focus onC }>security is a welcome development, but may also be too little tooa+ }>late, according to some security experts.e }>F }>In a memo sent to Microsoft's 47,000 employees this week, Gates, theF }>company's chief software engineer, called for a fundamental shift in# }                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n> }.... and which university bestowed this title upon Mr. Gates? } & }AFAIK, Billy had no technical degree. }  }--rP }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  * To which the proper response is "so what"?  F If he were called the "chief software PhD" you might have a point. TheF term "engineer" is only regulated in some areas (or, at least, it usedF to be regulated - I don't know if it still is), and software isn't oneD of them. But I bet you'll find that most of those people working forE the railroad riding in trains called "engineers" don't have technical  degrees either.a  I BTW, his "official" job title is "Chief Software Architect". What you arehI complaining about is just something that the author of the article wrote.p   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:45:29 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>xB Subject: Re: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!> Message-ID: <dyW18.213924$pa1.58000065@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  ? In the US, the term 'Engineer' can be, and is used, in a ratherrL fast-'n'-loose way. Generally accepted to be somebody who designs or createsD something in traditional engineering disciplines, or in the field ofC software development, someone who deals with numerical methods [notpK accounting :-) ] in the financial services field, or the guy who drives theaH train. Only the person who has P.E. after their name is a true engineer.  K The term 'Engineer' is a legally protected concept/title in Canada. One hasiK to be a graduate of an accredited engineering school in one of the acceptedf> disciplines (mechanical, civil, aerospace, mining, geological,D metallurgical, civil, industrial, etc...), and then certified by theD appropriate licencing body after having had suitable work experienceJ post-graduation. P.Eng is the official designation. The Canadian licensingL bodies regularly slap Microsoft, Cisco, and anyone else who tries to use the5 term 'engineer' in their designations or advertising.3  - Your mileage in other jurisdictions may vary.   I BTW, in Canada the terms MCSE, CNE, etc... may not be expanded - they arenC just meaningless collections of letters, even if the holder of saide0 designation IS a licenced Professional Engineer.  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:18JAN200203545728@gerg.tamu.edu...o# > system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes...S@ > }In article <d7791aa1.0201171133.7e5267b3@posting.google.com>,* bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:& > }>as we didn't know this already ... > }>$ > }>Gates Finally Discovers Security > }> > }>by Michelle Delio( > }>, > }>Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:50 p.m. EST > }>H > }>Bill Gates' memo to Microsoft employees urging an increased focus onE > }>security is a welcome development, but may also be too little tooe- > }>late, according to some security experts.o > }>H > }>In a memo sent to Microsoft's 47,000 employees this week, Gates, theH > }>company's chief software engineer, called for a fundamental shift in% > }                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^o@ > }.... and which university bestowed this title upon Mr. Gates? > }8( > }AFAIK, Billy had no technical degree. > }E > }--45 > }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001e VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >l, > To which the proper response is "so what"? >oH > If he were called the "chief software PhD" you might have a point. TheH > term "engineer" is only regulated in some areas (or, at least, it usedH > to be regulated - I don't know if it still is), and software isn't oneF > of them. But I bet you'll find that most of those people working forG > the railroad riding in trains called "engineers" don't have technical  > degrees either.A >WK > BTW, his "official" job title is "Chief Software Architect". What you are.K > complaining about is just something that the author of the article wrote.e >T
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:01:08 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)-B Subject: Re: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!0 Message-ID: <00A08397.E568C0C8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <dyW18.213924$pa1.58000065@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:@ >In the US, the term 'Engineer' can be, and is used, in a ratherM >fast-'n'-loose way. Generally accepted to be somebody who designs or createsvE >something in traditional engineering disciplines, or in the field oflD >software development, someone who deals with numerical methods [notL >accounting :-) ] in the financial services field, or the guy who drives theI >train. Only the person who has P.E. after their name is a true engineer.   H Bill Gates is as much an "engineer" and good ol' "Choo Choo Charlie" wasI an engineer.  At least Choo Choo Charlie's engine could run with a simplehI box of Good-n-Plenty candies.  How well does Bill Gates's engine run?  ;)p  m  L >The term 'Engineer' is a legally protected concept/title in Canada. One hasL >to be a graduate of an accredited engineering school in one of the accepted? >disciplines (mechanical, civil, aerospace, mining, geological,tE >metallurgical, civil, industrial, etc...), and then certified by the E >appropriate licencing body after having had suitable work experience K >post-graduation. P.Eng is the official designation. The Canadian licensingnM >bodies regularly slap Microsoft, Cisco, and anyone else who tries to use the 6 >term 'engineer' in their designations or advertising.  J Having spent several ten of thousand of dollars on undergraduate and grad-I uate studies in Electronic Engineering, I loathe hearing MCSEs state that1K they are software "engineers" simply by virtue of holding Mickey$oft sheep-s9 skin -- which is, in reality, really more like sheep-dip.y   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             nJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:53:39 +0000u% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> = Subject: Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today18 Message-ID: <62sf4ucvtv02mtifuuemi2rrirrlvjvehc@4ax.com>  5 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:35:31 -0600, Christopher Smithm <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote:   >. >> >So... slightly off-topic, has anyone got some idea how to make microshaft lookout chop my lines up into 80-character chunks?  These mile-long lines are even annoying me.  $ According to Outhouse help you need:  & Change the line length of message textD On the Tools menu, click Options, and then click the Internet E-mail tab.; Type a number in the When sending messages, wrap text box. g  B However in Oulook 2000 I do not see this option when talking to an exchange server...  	 >Regards,  >e >Chris >e" >Christopher Smith, Perl Developer >Amdocs - Champaign, ILs >o >/usr/bin/perl -e 's@ >print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); >' >    -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 04:28 CSTi' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)i= Subject: Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists todayu- Message-ID: <18JAN200204281228@gerg.tamu.edu>   ) JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes...  }Phillip Helbig wrote:I }> People seem to forget that Bill Gates made his fortune through LACK oft> }> quality.  Collections of patches are passed up as upgrades. } G }Doesn't anyone find it odd that Microsoft hasn't declared a dividend ?d  E Not really. Many companies don't pay them, especially tech companies.SD Cisco doesn't, for another example. Heck, Berkshire Hathaway doesn'tD and it has earnings in excess of $1100 per share (or course a single? class A share also goes for something over $74,000 these days).k  @ Also, if you can manage to keep your share price increasing at a@ relatively high rate then paying dividends is often considered aA waste of money. This is because you make more money by keeping itiD in the company than by getting it as cash and investing it elsewhereC where it grows slower than the company you took it out of. (This iseB Warren Buffets position with Berkshire Hathaway. In a nutshell: ifA you think you can get a better return on the money you'd get froms@ a dividend than you would from keeping it in the BRK[a/b] stock,A then you should sell all your Berkshire Hathaway stock and invest C it all there so you will make more on all the money instead of justa> a little bit of it.) It is also, at least theoretically, taxed@ twice - once as dividend income for yourself, and before that asC profit for the company (which is just riddled with loopholes, whichA6 is why the double taxation thing is only theoretical).  D MS was in the fast growing category until recently. At this point itD is a good time to consider paying a small dividend, but not doing so is still not all that strange.   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 07:35:03 -0600G From: simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)-= Subject: Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists todaye3 Message-ID: <37L1Ht+OIzqO@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  n In article <a26l11$igr$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) writes:6 > In message: <AfF0s8hQ7h$9@eisner.encompasserve.org>,H >>This priority touches on all the software work we do. By delivering onN >>Trustworthy Computing, customers will get dramatically more value out of ourO >>advances than they have in the past. The challenge here is one that MicrosoftV >>is uniquely suited to solve. >> >>Bill >>1 >>[Just what makes Microsoft "uniquely suited" ?]r > J > The paragraph is talking about advances to Microsoft software, of courseJ > they are uniquely suited to make those advances.  Anybody else trying toG > advance Microsoft software has licensing issues that Microsoft itselfi
 > doesn't. >   5 That's true if talking just about Microsoft software.g  G However, the rest of the memo makes it clear that Bill Gates is talkingaI about computing as a whole and that only Microsoft is capable of creatingrF the software needed (ie: "uniquely suited") to advance the poor littleI computing world towards Trustworthy Computing, which is complete nonsensem/ as Trustworthy systems such as VMS exist today.e   Simon.   --  G Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP       9+ Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:07:50 GMTn# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>o= Subject: Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists todayi> Message-ID: <aTW18.213991$pa1.58016794@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  C Big enough to compete in exactly WHICH part of the business?? PC's,e% services, or enterprise hardware/os??@  E At the rate CPQ and HP are going, it'll only be in services, which is I probably where they really want to compete anyway. After all, you buy one J DVD player for the home for $149, and then you buy dozens of DVD's for $20& each. Same with hardware and services.      ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 8 news:h7G18.81093$Sj1.32055071@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >oI > Yeah, if they get NSK along with it, they'd pretty much have everythingo sewnK > up. I wouldn't be surprised if the *real* reason for the proposed HewlettfH > PAQard merger is to yield a firm that's big enough to compete with IBM > several years down the road. >  >c   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 16:08:36 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) = Subject: Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists todayy' Message-ID: <a29ha4$d9r$1@joe.rice.edu>   K Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr (winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU) wrote:iH : While I think nearly everything about Microsoft is evil, I must point D : out that they do in fact have patches available for free download.  4 Microsoft's patches are the target of this satire...  7    http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/patchsoft.shtml 4    SatireWire | Surprise Settlement Splits Microsoft  0    "SURPRISE SETTLEMENT EVENLY SPLITS MICROSOFT;3    ONE FIRM TO MAKE SOFTWARE, OTHER TO MAKE PATCHEStC    Decision Keeps Redmond from Monopolizing Massive Microsoft Patcho    Industry   I    Redmond, Wash. (SatireWire.com) -- In a surprise settlement today withbF    nine U.S. states, Microsoft agreed to be split into two independentB    companies -- one that will continue to make Microsoft operatingC    systems, browsers, and server software, and another, potentially I    larger company that will make patches for Microsoft operating systems, !    browsers, and server software.r  G    Critics immediately charged that the settlement -- which overrides aFI    previous agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice -- does nothingiI    to diminish Microsoft's standing as the world's most powerful softwareeC    company. But industry analysts argued that providing patches for C    security holes in Microsoft programs is a major, untapped growth I    industry, and applauded the states for not allowing Redmond to controlR	    it..."d    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 16:12:57 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)y= Subject: Re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists today ' Message-ID: <a29hi9$d9r$2@joe.rice.edu>-  & JF Mezei (jfmezei@videotron.ca) wrote:H : Doesn't anyone find it odd that Microsoft hasn't declared a dividend ?  4 Ralph Nader thinks Microsoft should pay dividends...  ,    http://news.com.com/2100-1001-802857.html<    Ralph Nader wants Microsoft to pay - Tech News - CNET.com  
    By Reutersn    January 7, 2002, 4:35 PM PT  E   "SEATTLE--Consumer advocate Ralph Nader has called for Microsoft tohG    start paying dividends to investors, saying the software giant's $36tB    billion cash pile amounts to an illegal tax shelter for wealthy,    shareholders such as Chairman Bill Gates.  H    Nader, through his Consumer Project on Technology (CPT) office, wroteI    Gates a letter last Friday saying Microsoft should change its practice:F    of not giving dividends--cash payments usually paid each quarter to    shareholders.  C    "The quantitative failure to pay dividends year after year is anSF    inappropriate and, we believe, unlawful device to shelter MicrosoftH    earnings from federal income taxes," read the letter, which was first&    carried by The Wall Street Journal.  B    Microsoft has never paid a dividend in its 15 years as a publicF    company and instead has amassed the largest cash hoard in corporate    history..."    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:39:20 +0100i/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>i= Subject: re: Bill Gates: No Trustworthy Platform exists todayV6 Message-ID: <00A083CF.85E05FDC.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message: > news:WbB18.206705$pa1.56811437@news3.rdc1.on.home.com...L > > So why doesn't Bill buy OpenVMS and put it into shrink-wrapped boxes for  > > retail sale as "WindowsVMS"? > >uL > > It'd be cheaper than fixing all the flaws in the existing Windows-family > o/si > >a) > > MSLP $499, dealers may sell for less.. > 6 > First off, Compaq's gotta be willing to sell the OS. > I > Second, there's the matter of porting the OS to a mainstream platform. : [snip] > L > Third, porting the OS itself would be trivial in comparison to porting all > the current Windoze apps...H >   L But lastly and most important, Microsoft (at least until now) simply doesn'tJ get the concept. I suspect they still don't and are just making the noises% that they think people want to hear. u  L They *had* a half-decent start-point for a trustworthy platform in NT 3.51. P The NT kernel is actually somewhat VMS-like (not surprising given who wrote it).  H But then rather than improve on it, and rather than tightening up on theK default installation security of the applications so that they were secure eH out-of-the-box, they went the other way. They blew assorted holes in theJ kernel to make it easier to port apps from Windows 9x. And as for the appsD themselves ... some *rely* on insecure user-writeable executables orE directories in order to perform their normal function. And of course,iL they've completely fouled up the natural divide between executable and data.  I Any vaguely respectable OS or application package can boot and/or run off E a no-write medium such as a CD. It's not anything like a guarantee ofeH security, but it's a good place to start. Microsoft were there with DOS, and have been regressing since.u   	Yours,a
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   n  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."a   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 09:58:11 +0100+ From: Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> . Subject: Branching (was: VMS missing features)/ Message-ID: <85hepkjasc.fsf_-_@junk.nocrew.org>,  - Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:@J > > >>   2) The use of a conditional skip instead of a conditional branch.> > Fortunately, the PDP-10 did not have branches.  You could doF > branching if you really wanted to, but very few people really wanted= > to unless they were writing self-relocating code ala S/360.e  0 What way of doing branching do you have in mind?   -- iF Lars Brinkhoff          http://lars.nocrew.org/     Linux, GCC, PDP-10? Brinkhoff Consulting    http://www.brinkhoff.se/    programmingc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:00:51 -0600f, From: "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov> Subject: Re: Buffer Overflowst+ Message-ID: <a29p58$1hh$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>   = "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.nospaam.com> wrote in messagee+ news:a27vmq$21$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net..., > ...,9 > Frankly I laughed out lound when I heard a quote from ad= > VP of Microsoft saying something to the effect that "Buffer < > Overflows are a fact of life in software and can't be 100%8 > eliminated".  While it's true that nothing can be 100%= > eliminated, it sounding like he was just making excuses ...  > ...n9 > As a old programmer, I know the only time I experienceda> > a Buffer Overflow was when I didn't pass the right arguments? > or use the right passing mechanism to an external subroutine.e+ > ...  Do other people have Buffer Overflow ! > problems in their VMS programs?   I The C language does not suport any string handling.  Its standard runtimeeF library has quite a few routines that treat arrays of char as strings,J copying a char at a time from one starting address to another until a nullH terminator is found in the source string, which forces the programmer toH find the null terminator of every source string and check it against theJ length of its destination buffer.  Until yesterday, with a few exceptions,L Microsoft never took that responsibility seriously, and neither did a lot ofG UNIX developers.  If they follow Bill Gates' new directive, Microsoft'soL developers will have to go back and review untold millions of lines of code,B looking for buffer overflow opportunities.  There are so many suchK opportunities that finding and fixing all of them might well be impossible.^  E VMS, on the other hand, had string descriptors built into its calling8K sequence on the first day way back in 1977, and developers have always beenAL encouraged to use them, even in Macro, where it's easy to call LIB$ and STR$L routines for handling strings.  When using descriptors is standard practice,J as it has been since day one, the opportunities for buffer overflow simply
 don't happen.   J Think of using descriptors as flying the helium-filled Goodyear blimp, andL having to find the null terminator of every string before using it as flyingK the hydrogen-filled Hindenberg.  A lousy pilot can crash the Goodyear blimp B into a building, but even if he smokes, he can't light the helium.  2  Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541 scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 13:00:54 GMT( From: joechip31@hotmail.com (Herb Asher)< Subject: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible?8 Message-ID: <3c481b11.4583961@news1.uncensored-news.com>  
 Hi people,  C Well I am an out of work vms/unix operator in the UK, since I enjoyaF messing with systems and things at home, ie linux box, home network onF windows etc, I was wondering is it possible to build a vms box at homeC for a home project? I only have 2 years exp. working with vms as aneA operator and maybe a project like this would help me stay in "vms 8 mode" like I can with unix, ie shell accounts and linux.  C Any tips, info, websites, possible hardware specs, os possibilitiesf! etc would be greatly appreciated.    Herb    F ______________________________________________________________________R Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.comP    With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source      ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:25:20 GMTT' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> @ Subject: Re: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible?$ Message-ID: <3c482cc2$1@zfree.co.nz>  ) joechip31@hotmail.com (Herb Asher) wrote:s >Hi people,  >lD >Well I am an out of work vms/unix operator in the UK, since I enjoyG >messing with systems and things at home, ie linux box, home network onpG >windows etc, I was wondering is it possible to build a vms box at homeaD >for a home project? I only have 2 years exp. working with vms as anB >operator and maybe a project like this would help me stay in "vms9 >mode" like I can with unix, ie shell accounts and linux.r >nD >Any tips, info, websites, possible hardware specs, os possibilities" >etc would be greatly appreciated. >e >Herbr >e >nG >______________________________________________________________________nS >Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.comrJ >   With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source >  oA Sure, very well possible I'd say. A VAXstation 3100 (-38, -48) isa> cheap, possibly even free but somewhat performance challenged.B A VAXstation 4000 (-60 or -90, -90A or -98) is much better but youG might have to pay for them, it just depends. I was given a 4000-90A for  free. @ It is worth the effort, especially if you can manager to get twoH machines, the second could be a regular VAX, so you can build a cluster.? Next, obtain a VAX/VMS distribution and licenses from Montagar.n Licenses you'd need are:   VMS ("D" license), o UCX (or TCPIP) o DECnet  E and a compiler if you feel like programming. Bliss is included on theoD freeware CD. C, Fortran, Pascal, Cobol and ADA are options but at a > price. IIRC PL/I, Basic, and Coral-66 are no longer supported.@ There used to be a free Modula-2 compiler (Univ. of Hamburg ???)  D Note that was VAX/VMS only, I have no idea about the availability ofF Alphas though a 3000 is probably cheap too nowadays. But a 3000-400 is$ not much faster than a high end VAX.   Good luck and have fun,    Hans         http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:38 +0100-7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>a@ Subject: RE: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible?O Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C05@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl><  9 I have as wel a vaxbox as an alphabox as a hobby project.P  ; First step is to buy an alpha of a vax box. (www.ebay.com) A; Secondly find the VMS hobby CD and license. (www.decus.com)uC Thirdly find the extra hardware you need to do the things you want r* as example running OpenVMS of DECwindows.   3 An help you need you can get here in the newsgroup.o         > -----Original Message-----< > From: joechip31@hotmail.com [mailto:joechip31@hotmail.com]% > Sent: vrijdag 18 januari 2002 14:01  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: building a vms box as a project.. is this possible? >  >  > Hi people, > E > Well I am an out of work vms/unix operator in the UK, since I enjoy H > messing with systems and things at home, ie linux box, home network onH > windows etc, I was wondering is it possible to build a vms box at homeE > for a home project? I only have 2 years exp. working with vms as aneC > operator and maybe a project like this would help me stay in "vms : > mode" like I can with unix, ie shell accounts and linux. > E > Any tips, info, websites, possible hardware specs, os possibilities # > etc would be greatly appreciated.k >  > Herb >  > H > ______________________________________________________________________6 > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 -   > http://www.uncensored-news.com< >    With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds  > Uncensored News Source >    >    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 04:22:24 -0800 From: axica@yahoo.com (Safir) E Subject: Re: Calling COBOL "called programs" from Non-COBOL languagesi= Message-ID: <e85d7983.0201180422.3c39f7f0@posting.google.com>   j cask1@yahoo.com (Kelly Donahue) wrote in message news:<f4f1188e.0201171925.5a065c60@posting.google.com>...G > Does anyone know how to call a COBOL "Called Program" from a languagewA > other than COBOL?  We're running DEC COBOL V2.4 and OpenVMS 7.1m >  > Thanks in advance.   What about typing the query :.   example calling cobol    at h  * http://www3.compaq.com/support/ask/askvms/    A  Partial list of articles found :  A  1. Example-COBOL COBOL Calling C Passing COBOL Unscaled Fields  v  n     M  2.  [VAX COBOL, DEC COBOL] Calling the COBOL Functions NUMVAL and NUMVAL-C   I  [VAX COBOL, DEC COBOL] Calling the COBOL Functions NUMVAL and NUMVAL-C  s  V     H  3.  Example-C,COBOL C Calling COBOL Passing Text, Integers and Floats  D  Example-C,COBOL C Calling COBOL Passing Text, Integers and Floats    c     +  4.  Example-C++, COBOL COBOL Calling C++  t'  Example-C++, COBOL COBOL Calling C++  t  n     A  5.  Example-C C Calling COBOL Sub Program To Perform COBOL I/O  s<  Example-C C Calling COBOL Sub Program To Perform COBOL I/O     ' 6.  Example-C VAX C Calling VAX COBOL  m$  Example-C VAX C Calling VAX COBOL    k     @  7.  Example-Ada Calling COBOL Passing Integer And String Data  ;  Example-Ada Calling COBOL Passing Integer And String Data n     ....  , or even better if your calling langague is C do the query     Example-C calling Cobolu     Results (partial list) :  G 1.  Example-C,COBOL C Calling COBOL Passing Text, Integers and Floats  vD  Example-C,COBOL C Calling COBOL Passing Text, Integers and Floats          A  2.  Example-C C Calling COBOL Sub Program To Perform COBOL I/O  n=  Example-C C Calling COBOL Sub Program To Perform COBOL I/O  :        (  3.  Example-C VAX C Calling VAX COBOL  $  Example-C VAX C Calling VAX COBOL    h     M  4.  [VAX COBOL, DEC COBOL] Calling the COBOL Functions NUMVAL and NUMVAL-C  vI  [VAX COBOL, DEC COBOL] Calling the COBOL Functions NUMVAL and NUMVAL-C  l  n     B  5.  Example-COBOL COBOL Calling C Passing COBOL Unscaled Fields  =  Example-COBOL COBOL Calling C Passing COBOL Unscaled Fields 9   ...h   hth, H.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 07:47:11 -0800% From: cask1@yahoo.com (Kelly Donahue)nE Subject: Re: Calling COBOL "called programs" from Non-COBOL languagesa= Message-ID: <f4f1188e.0201180747.3adfa16e@posting.google.com>r  7 Sorry I should have put more information in my message.i  C The COBOL "Called Program" is an installed image so I want to avoidt linking in the program's .OBJ.   Thanks  Y JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C47C5BA.F50F538C@videotron.ca>... K > > > Does anyone know how to call a COBOL "Called Program" from a language:E > > > other than COBOL?  We're running DEC COBOL V2.4 and OpenVMS 7.19 > F > The calling standard is the same (beauty of VMS).  compile the cobolM > subroutine to generate an .OBJ file and include that file when you link the  > main program.o > O > While the passing of arguments is standard, the VALUE of the arguments isn't.f > O > COBOL uses fixed length strings for instance. So if the subroutine is to pass0L > the address of a string array, when cobol subroutine does a MOVE to it, itM > will move as many byte as the argument was defined to be and will not add aT > null at the end for instance.  > N > I believe that the cobol manual also defines how you must define the numericO > fields to be compatible with other languages ( other languages do not supportaN > packed decimal usually) so you have to use COMP SYNC (if I remember well) ofO > sufficient length to have the cobol routine assume that a longword integer isw > at that memory location.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 10:35:38 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)E Subject: Re: Calling COBOL "called programs" from Non-COBOL languagesi= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0201181035.311c0bf7@posting.google.com>c  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3C479A78.309B1F44@fsi.net>... > Kelly Donahue wrote: > > I > > Does anyone know how to call a COBOL "Called Program" from a language C > > other than COBOL?  We're running DEC COBOL V2.4 and OpenVMS 7.1o > 6 > Rather depends on the syntax in the "other language" > 2 > BASIC:	CALL routine_name( param[, param[, ...]])E > DECLARE-ing external routines can help the BASIC compiler check thec@ > number and datatype of the parameters for you at compile time. > 4 > DIBOL:	XCALL routine_name ( param[, param[, ...]])J > (Actually, it's been many years since I saw DIBOL. Don't recall if XCALL > uses parentheses or not.)d >   8 the dibol example is correct (only parameters are in ())   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 03:44:35 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) ( Subject: Re: Change quorum disk question< Message-ID: <55f85d77.0201180344.736e7a2@posting.google.com>  f Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> wrote in message news:<3C4773C9.E4851B5E@starpower.net>... >lF > The system disk is the quorum disk, and I see now that I should haveB > changed that before I added the second system.  How do I change C > that now?  Can I copy the quorum.dat file to the new quorum disk,iC > take one node down, edit modparms.dat and run autogen on the nodev< > that's up, take it down and do the same on the other node? >   D I'm not sure QUORUM.DAT contains any data that needs to be preservedA between reboots so I don't think you need to worry about making ac
 copy of it...i  <  00010002 454C4946 20204D55 524F5551 QUORUM  FILE.... 000000<  00A0831A 2A8798BD 00A08319 06E9CA08 ........*.... 000010<  00A0831A 09C50480 00A0831A 2B298FD8 .)+........... 000020<  04010000 00000404 00030002 00010002 ................ 000030<  00000000 00000000 3DA38CAA 00000000 .....=........ 000040  G Simply shut down one computer (disk watcher), modify your MODPARAMS.DAT2H on the other (disk watcher), autogen, and reboot. Boot the other then do the same thing.s  D The cute thing about this is the first time you mount the new quorumC disk you will notice it will automagically get a QUORUM.DAT createde on it right before your eyes.4  A Make sure you mount the (new non system disk) QUORUM disk on both : nodes (disk watchers) on startup when all done - this is a requirement.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:29:52 GMT-' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>e( Subject: Re: Change quorum disk question$ Message-ID: <3c483151$1@zfree.co.nz>  * P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) wrote:g >Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> wrote in message news:<3C4773C9.E4851B5E@starpower.net>...a >>G >> The system disk is the quorum disk, and I see now that I should havesC >> changed that before I added the second system.  How do I change oD >> that now?  Can I copy the quorum.dat file to the new quorum disk,D >> take one node down, edit modparms.dat and run autogen on the node= >> that's up, take it down and do the same on the other node?a >> l >oE >I'm not sure QUORUM.DAT contains any data that needs to be preserved B >between reboots so I don't think you need to worry about making a >copy of it... > = > 00010002 454C4946 20204D55 524F5551 QUORUM  FILE.... 000000 = > 00A0831A 2A8798BD 00A08319 06E9CA08 ........*.... 000010l= > 00A0831A 09C50480 00A0831A 2B298FD8 .)+........... 000020 = > 04010000 00000404 00030002 00010002 ................ 000030c= > 00000000 00000000 3DA38CAA 00000000 .....=........ 000040o >AH >Simply shut down one computer (disk watcher), modify your MODPARAMS.DATI >on the other (disk watcher), autogen, and reboot. Boot the other then do  >the same thing. > E >The cute thing about this is the first time you mount the new quorum D >disk you will notice it will automagically get a QUORUM.DAT created >on it right before your eyes. >uB >Make sure you mount the (new non system disk) QUORUM disk on both; >nodes (disk watchers) on startup when all done - this is ao
 >requirement.-C You are quite right but OTOH it is possible to define a quorum diska< on a node that has no direct connection to that quorum disk.B In fact in an NI cluster you can have two nodes, each with votes=1D and each have its own quorum disk (i.e. two different quorum disks).I I know of a heavily used NI cluster that operated like that for two years,L before we found out that it was not only unsupported but also very dangerous6 because of possible disk corruption. Don't try this at9 home, but it just shows how flexible a VAXcluster can be.w   Hans     http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:24:18 -0500G; From: Robert DiRosario <robert.j.dirosario.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> ( Subject: Re: Change quorum disk question- Message-ID: <3C483E22.34235FB0@gsfc.nasa.gov>f   Hans Vlems wrote:a  , > P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) wrote:i > >Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> wrote in message news:<3C4773C9.E4851B5E@starpower.net>...e > >>I > >> The system disk is the quorum disk, and I see now that I should haveaD > >> changed that before I added the second system.  How do I changeF > >> that now?  Can I copy the quorum.dat file to the new quorum disk,F > >> take one node down, edit modparms.dat and run autogen on the node? > >> that's up, take it down and do the same on the other node?  > >> > > G > >I'm not sure QUORUM.DAT contains any data that needs to be preserved D > >between reboots so I don't think you need to worry about making a > >copy of it... > >i? > > 00010002 454C4946 20204D55 524F5551 QUORUM  FILE.... 000000r? > > 00A0831A 2A8798BD 00A08319 06E9CA08 ........*.... 000010d? > > 00A0831A 09C50480 00A0831A 2B298FD8 .)+........... 000020r? > > 04010000 00000404 00030002 00010002 ................ 000030 ? > > 00000000 00000000 3DA38CAA 00000000 .....=........ 000040i > >uJ > >Simply shut down one computer (disk watcher), modify your MODPARAMS.DATK > >on the other (disk watcher), autogen, and reboot. Boot the other then doe > >the same thing. > >uG > >The cute thing about this is the first time you mount the new quorum F > >disk you will notice it will automagically get a QUORUM.DAT created  > >on it right before your eyes. > > D > >Make sure you mount the (new non system disk) QUORUM disk on both= > >nodes (disk watchers) on startup when all done - this is a. > >requirement.nE > You are quite right but OTOH it is possible to define a quorum disk > > on a node that has no direct connection to that quorum disk.D > In fact in an NI cluster you can have two nodes, each with votes=1F > and each have its own quorum disk (i.e. two different quorum disks).K > I know of a heavily used NI cluster that operated like that for two yearsiN > before we found out that it was not only unsupported but also very dangerous8 > because of possible disk corruption. Don't try this at; > home, but it just shows how flexible a VAXcluster can be.m >a > Hans >t > http://www.zfree.co.nz  j I have one more system to add to the cluster that will have direct access to the system disk, a 4000/105A.e After I add that system this weekend I don't think the quorum disk will be useful.  With or without ani quorum disk it looks like I need to have two of the three systems up to have a quorum, unless there is an38 undocumented method of giving the quorum disk two votes.   Robert   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 11:20:04 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)l( Subject: Re: Change quorum disk question3 Message-ID: <vkjKS$5239Wd@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  k In article <3C483E22.34235FB0@gsfc.nasa.gov>, Robert DiRosario <robert.j.dirosario.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:b >  >  > Hans Vlems wrote:t > - >> P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) wrote: j >> >Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> wrote in message news:<3C4773C9.E4851B5E@starpower.net>... >> >>nJ >> >> The system disk is the quorum disk, and I see now that I should haveE >> >> changed that before I added the second system.  How do I change_G >> >> that now?  Can I copy the quorum.dat file to the new quorum disk,eG >> >> take one node down, edit modparms.dat and run autogen on the nodeI@ >> >> that's up, take it down and do the same on the other node? >> >>  >> >H >> >I'm not sure QUORUM.DAT contains any data that needs to be preservedE >> >between reboots so I don't think you need to worry about making as >> >copy of it...s >> >@ >> > 00010002 454C4946 20204D55 524F5551 QUORUM  FILE.... 000000@ >> > 00A0831A 2A8798BD 00A08319 06E9CA08 ........*.... 000010@ >> > 00A0831A 09C50480 00A0831A 2B298FD8 .)+........... 000020@ >> > 04010000 00000404 00030002 00010002 ................ 000030@ >> > 00000000 00000000 3DA38CAA 00000000 .....=........ 000040 >> >K >> >Simply shut down one computer (disk watcher), modify your MODPARAMS.DATbL >> >on the other (disk watcher), autogen, and reboot. Boot the other then do >> >the same thing.d >> >H >> >The cute thing about this is the first time you mount the new quorumG >> >disk you will notice it will automagically get a QUORUM.DAT created_! >> >on it right before your eyes._ >> >E >> >Make sure you mount the (new non system disk) QUORUM disk on bothh> >> >nodes (disk watchers) on startup when all done - this is a >> >requirement.F >> You are quite right but OTOH it is possible to define a quorum disk? >> on a node that has no direct connection to that quorum disk. E >> In fact in an NI cluster you can have two nodes, each with votes=1rG >> and each have its own quorum disk (i.e. two different quorum disks)..L >> I know of a heavily used NI cluster that operated like that for two yearsO >> before we found out that it was not only unsupported but also very dangerous 9 >> because of possible disk corruption. Don't try this ati< >> home, but it just shows how flexible a VAXcluster can be. >> >> HansC >> >> http://www.zfree.co.nz  > l > I have one more system to add to the cluster that will have direct access to the system disk, a 4000/105A.g > After I add that system this weekend I don't think the quorum disk will be useful.  With or without afk > quorum disk it looks like I need to have two of the three systems up to have a quorum, unless there is anl: > undocumented method of giving the quorum disk two votes. >  > Robert >   ( 	Quorom disk can have a number of votes:   <NODE>$ mcr sysgen show qdH Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit  Dynamic H --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  ------- K QDSKVOTES                       1          1         0        127 Votes       ; 	Highly recommend you study up.  Go to http://www.deja.com/.A 	and read the back and forth regarding this issue from 4-8 months = 	ago.  Search advanced search, comp.os.vms  for clews quorom, @ 	you should get some relevant hits.  Also, check the online docs 	of course.e   				Robr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:41:32 +0100n$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>+ Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Businessi/ Message-ID: <McR18.27$AB3.1591@news.get2net.dk>m   Clip ... >@E > Unfortunately, a good chunk of the "industry" has "standardized" onb1 > Apache on UN*X systems and not Purveyor on VMS.e >. > Whaddaya gonna do? >    "Dare to be different" ?   > -- > David J. Dachterap > dba DJE Systemsi > http://www.djesys.com/ >s* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:43:06 +0000 (UTC)h From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk+ Subject: Re: COMPAQ - Spin off VMS Business + Message-ID: <a2958q$69o$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  [ In article <3C47817E.7CA7E643@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:r >Bob Ceculski wrote: >>  T >> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<a1seh1$t8g$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...m >> > In article <d7791aa1.0201120707.74c18acc@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:wW >> > >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<a1ndka$97a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...n] >> > >> In article <3C3F2BBC.75F08991@pacbell.net>, Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net> writes:-	 >> > >> > , >> > >> >I restate part of a previous post :L >> > >> >VMS could still be saved, but it would take some group with $$$ and >> > >> >vision and even somecO >> > >> >acceptance from the VMS community that the OS needs to evolve and that5< >> > >> >might be more difficult than getting the investors.	 >> > >> >" >> > >>oN >> > >> VMS has always been evolving. In which particular areas do you want it> >> > >> to evolve further and in which particular directions ? >> > >>  >> > >> David Webb  >> > >> VMS and Unix team leader >> > >> CCSS >> > >> Middlesex University >> > >>s >> > >> >Rick Nickles wrote:
 >> > >> >>P >> > >> >> It really seems that the best thing for VMS is to spin it off as it'sO >> > >> >> own separate business (company).  That way there isn't the political Q >> > >> >> agenda with Microsoft, and then they are free to market VMS like crazyBQ >> > >> >> and really build up a following as a single company.  Compaq stands toxP >> > >> >> gain, The users stand to gain, Customers stand to gain.  The only oneO >> > >> >> that might lose is Microsoft, and it isn't like they'll be hurt thatL >> > >> >> bad anyway.
 >> > >> >># >> > >> >> What do you think folks?r >> > >O >> > >evolving, but too slowly ... Palmer put it behind by not allowing any VMSCK >> > >enhancements like say Apache ... he tried to force everyone to NT ...AO >> > >I talk too many old vms support people still there from dec and they said L >> > >practically anything that runs on unix can be ported easily to vms andO >> > >had wanted to do many enhancements but Palmer wouldn't let them, and letsnN >> > >face it, Compaq allowed some because NT Itanium flopped, but it is stillQ >> > >under retraints and advertisement is non existent ... and I seriously doubtoO >> > >it will improve under the HP pc crowd who it sounds like will try to pushOR >> > >vms users onto hp unix, but like Palmer, that will fail and they will eitherK >> > >have to support or sell vms, or lose the vms customer base to IBM ...c >> >G >> > I would agree if you had said that evolving VMS to make porting ofnL >> > Unix applications easier was not as fast as many would like eg DroppingS >> > Posix support rather than going all out to improve it - though that policy hass >> > now changed. P >> > However the citing of Apache support as a major failing of Compaq/DEC seemsS >> > rather strange. Apache is public domain it would have been possible for others-P >> > to have ported it - However most people didn't consider the effort worth itS >> > since VMS has had it's own web servers which were arguably better than Apache.aP >> > (eg The Decthreads OSU webserver is as it's name implies a thread based webP >> > server - Apache still isn't ( Though the next main version of Apache should
 >> > be)).S >> > How many Unix companies actually port Apache themselves rather than leaving it  >> > to enthusiasts ?W >> >R >> > I see the porting of public domain Applications by VMS engineeering as a goodS >> > thing. We can't expect them to port everything. We are grateful when they porttL >> > things which we cannot either because they are not in the Public domainM >> > eg earlier versions of Netscape or are too complicated for an individualt >> > programmer to deal with.h >> > >> > >> > David Webbh >> > VMS and Unix team leadere	 >> > CCSSr >> > Middlesex Universityt >> iG >> I agree Apache was a mistake ... should of went w/purveyor as it wasTG >> written for VMS, not unix, and runs much better and doesn't have the 2 >> conveluted "conf" structure that Apache has ... >t  N I didn't actually say that porting Apache was a mistake - just that the citingL of lack of such a port (until recently) as a major failing of DEC/Compaq was
 incorrect.  J Technically there was no real reason for porting Apache to VMS since there< are a number of other very good freeware web servers on VMS.K However if Compaq wanted to have their own supported web server on VMS thenl9 using Apache made sense from  the "me too" point of view.sC Being able to run Apache on VMS may have garnered a few more sales.JJ Having OSU, WASD or even the commercial Purveyor as the official webserverH on VMS would not have garnered those particular sales because only those+ already using VMS would have heard of them.   D >Unfortunately, a good chunk of the "industry" has "standardized" on0 >Apache on UN*X systems and not Purveyor on VMS. >g >Whaddaya gonna do?  >t    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 04:31:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>J Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?- Message-ID: <874rlkoh1s.fsf@prep.synonet.com>s  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:t  = > SPARC the worlds best selling UNIX architecture.  Sure it's < > comparatively "slow", and people buy them by the boatload.  D Have you seen the new SPARC numbers Fred? Brings a whole new meaningC to 'slow'. Plus blowing a nasty hole in one of the SPEC benchmarks.d     -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 04:45:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>J Subject: Re: Dumb question - If the merger dies, CAN Alpha be resurrected?- Message-ID: <87zo3cn1to.fsf@prep.synonet.com>y  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:4  ? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3C43A36A.9C8F2932@videotron.ca>...6  F > >Furthermore, one reason VMS is good is exactly becasue it was builtD > around a >proprietary platform and proprietary computers made with > quality components.0  F > Apparently you never used a Jensen (DEC2000, aka PC AXP 150).  Aside? > from the CPU chip, about as off the shelf as you can imagine.(  E And was the machine that launched Alpha engineering into the chip setgF biz. It was the 3rd attempt with 'standard' chips, and drove home whatB a pile of putrid bog most of them are. And it still goes on, Intel> 860s have a bug that limits PCI through-put to about 80MB/sec.  B Welcome to the nightmare. (Mind, with itanic, 80MB/sec is way over what is needed.)   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 17:04:32 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)wU Subject: Re: Films and Books. [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ]e, Message-ID: <a29kj0$165s$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  : In article <OFD74F2058.7A40CB48-ON00256B41.00579506@btyp>,#  Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes:> |> 'K |> I was going to suggest the Bond movies but then I wondered just how manyr. |> people have actually READ any of the books? |>  C I read all of the James Bond books written by Ian Fleming.  The guygC paid to pick up after his death wasn't as good (IMHO).  I even read A them all in order so that the continuing threads made sense.  The*A first four movies at least used some of the plot lines, but after.A that they resemble the books in little more than name.  Right off0@ the bat you have the creation of an evil international super badC guy so as not to heat up the cold war as Bond was frequently pittedDD against the real enemy after WWII, the soviets.  The other advantageA of the books was his use of wits rather than inventions.  And hisiE Bentley had much more class than the Aston-Martin Hollywood gave him.l   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:55:30 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>! Subject: Re: FTP Success/Failure?h+ Message-ID: <a26e3e$t0k@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>i  T "Simon Clubley" <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> wrote in message- news:y1NFYLGfQQKJ@eisner.encompasserve.org...i  N > > It it the lack of end-to-end that is the problem. Look for some of the old > > DAP CRC error war stories  > >t >sN > Why is end to end an issue in TCP/IP ? If an intermediate device between theO > two hosts needs to re-write the packet (and hence change it's checksum), then M > it needs to validate the original packet first. If it doesn't do that, thenrO > it's broken, and I don't see how you can blame the TCP/IP protocol instead ofo2 > some manufacturer's broken implementation of it.  J Because the TCP/IP checksum is substantially weaker than a CRC32 one. PlusP there are advantages to doing the checksum at the file level. Crudely, would youU like to receive a million packets each with 1 in 10^9 chance of an error or one file?wI Of course, FTP + external MD5 checksum is likely to be more robust still.rE http://www.acm.org/sigcomm/sigcomm2000/conf/paper/sigcomm2000-9-1.pdf  may be of interest.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 01:17:16 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!3 Message-ID: <q2L83fcBf2Ip@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  T In article <3C47C6AB.9EE41B09@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes: > "Main, Kerry" wrote:G >> Gartner Quote "Although these developments raised some eyebrows, the0K >> general feeling is that these were wise moves for Compaq, a company that0J >> needs to focus and simplify on proven areas. Tru64 Unix and OpenVMS are >> proven winners." end quote. > M > The problem is that Compaq has since changed its handling of VMS since thatoP > report was published. The "renaissance" is gone, Alpha was killed, Tru64 is inL > a coma and Compaq is about to jump off a cliff hoping Carly will be strongP > enough to catch it. (Meanwhile, Carly assasinated MPE and says she is ready to > firther streamline products).  > N > It is quite acceptable for Gartner or any other organisation to change their, > opinion of VMS based on the recent events. >   H 	Absolutely.  However, the issue at hand isn't caught up in the realm of= 	opinion.  The issue is that Gartner publishes postion papersu? 	at $95+ a pop that allow Senior Management to form strategies.t= 	Based on what?  Based on probabilities (.99 certain of that,o+ 	having read that in a few Gartner papers).e  A 	So what they write needs to be centered on facts and statisticalpD 	analysis, however they arrive at that.  It isn't enough for Gartner= 	to pen: "Well we feel that Compaq has a (.70) probability ofXD 	completing the OpenVMS port to Itanium", they have to talk circularB 	if nothing else (lacking facts) and so lose crediblity when their7 	analysis is centered on feelings, or pithy statements:h  N "Grafting it [OpenVMS] onto the Itanium processor family (IPF) is like trying % to fit a square peg in a round hole."o  C 	After all, folks are spending large sums of money all around.  YoueG 	come off or move to platforms and spend a ton of money in the process.-A 	Screw it up, and you may have a very difficult time getting your_@ 	next job.  Care to go about that based on Gartner's opinion whoD 	,as you acknowledge, has taken several swipes at VMS over the years@ 	and missed?  Why?  Based on what?  Was their something factual % 	in there on Gartner's part?   Where?    				Roba  P > Yes, Gartner has cried wolf over the impending death of VMS many times.  So itJ > must be taken with a grain of salt. However, this time, the cry has more9 > credibility because of all the stuff that has happened.u   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 07:47:26 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)_D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!' Message-ID: <a28jue$her$2@joe.rice.edu>a  * Main, Kerry (Kerry.Main@compaq.com) wrote:F : For the benefit of others, here is the updated url for the original F : Gartner review of OpenVMS V7.2-1 that : appeared on Cnet awhile ago. :>B : <http://techupdate.cnet.com/enterprise/0-6133429-723-1751615.htm; : l?tag=3Dst.jp.6133429-720-1751615.fr.6133429-723-1751615>2 :5 : Beware long url - will wrap.   This much is sufficient:  A   http://techupdate.cnet.com/enterprise/0-6133429-723-1751615.htm9  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:05:35 -05000% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!, Message-ID: <3C47D744.F7B66524@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:O > "Grafting it [OpenVMS] onto the Itanium processor family (IPF) is like tryingf' > to fit a square peg in a round hole."i  I I agree that Gartner loses credibility when it says things like that. The M technical aspects of the port of the operating system are pretty safe and thekK only reasons to fear that the port would not complete are business reasons.t  H But the Compaq response was not well formulated either (in my opinion). H Accusing Gartner of inflating the costs by 500% when Gartner agreed withL Compaq's estimates for the engineering costs is not correct. Gartner made itN clear that VMS engineering was not the only cost associated with that project,2 something which Compaq's response did not address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:29:17 +0010n' From: <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au>cD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!5 Message-ID: <01KD87P3Y2F6002IY0@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>n   Kerry Main wrote:.  E >Gartner Quote "Although these developments raised some eyebrows, thelI >general feeling is that these were wise moves for Compaq, a company thatsH >needs to focus and simplify on proven areas. Tru64 Unix and OpenVMS are >proven winners." end quote.  I Could not get the URL, even allowing for the wrap.  So without any other hL info, what developments?  [Hmm, Netscape from my VMS box gets me many blank  windows and "Document done".]h  M With nothing else to go on, this reads to me as if Gartner is saying "Do not r. kill Tru64 or OpenVMs, or (implicitly) Alpha."  : With my stated ignorance, do you mind elaborating, please.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:21:05 +0000 (UTC)e9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>.D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!- Message-ID: <a28pe1$354$2@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>s  ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:e   : how is "freevms" : going?   Slow,o due to too few developers. (Hint hint)-  < (And I am currenty doing some rounds in the ring with emacs)   -- D
 -Roar Thronsb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:10:48 +0000R% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>pD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!8 Message-ID: <9epf4u43ne5n7ad15am1ljlb5fcsauif6s@4ax.com>  C On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:20:38 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>  wrote:  L >Would you say the same if CPQ people had told you on June 1 that Compaq wasM >committed to Alpha, you went out and spent a few millions buying a big fancy-K >Wildfire, sealing your commitment to Alpha for 10 years, and then a couple2L >weeks later, before the box is even delivered, you are told that Compaq has >renegged on its commitment ?e >  >aH >One example: the qubec government embarked in 2001 on a 5 year plan toL >replace its ibm mainframes with Alpha/Tru64 servers. How do you think thoseI >who made that decision look now that the products they have selected areaB >declared dead-ends, but the govt have already begun the project ?  @ And I've certainly heard rumour that the 60% increase quarter onE quarter in Tru64 sales was at least in danger after the announcement.7C Only the fact that the particular deal was so far advanced may have>D saved it. The Golden Blanket program may have owed something to this deal but I'm speculating here.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:12:55 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>lD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!8 Message-ID: <glpf4uobv75nbuk7aaopmp2rokmjpa9u98@4ax.com>  1 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:54:16 -0500, "Main, Kerry"> <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:   >rE >As long as all the applications are available and the transition andxI >downtime is minimized, performance is acceptable and the Oerations folks H >issues are addressed, do you really think those that sit in board rooms2 >really care what HW platform runs their business?  D But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are nowC going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future.S   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:58:21 -0500t+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> D Subject: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1BA2@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Alan,>  H >>> But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are nowF going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future.<<<  F At their present place, they get to work with latest Alpha technology,F latest Oracle and Tru64 UNIX clustering technologies (don't forget the@ Oracle RAC cluster stuff was licensed from Tru64) and latest SAN
 technologies.a  D If this is not enough, the option to find another OS to work with atG some other place of employment is an option that is always available toi@ everyone. However, usually, working with the latest and greatestE technologies is an attractive drawing card for keeping good technicalt people.i   Regards,    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn Compaq Canada Corp.t Professional Servicesw Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----, From: Alan Greig [mailto:a.greig@virgin.net] Sent: January 18, 2002 4:13 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComfD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!    1 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:54:16 -0500, "Main, Kerry"> <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:   >nE >As long as all the applications are available and the transition and C >downtime is minimized, performance is acceptable and the Oerationsr folks>H >issues are addressed, do you really think those that sit in board rooms2 >really care what HW platform runs their business?  D But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are nowC going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future.s   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:48:00 -0500n% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>eD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!, Message-ID: <3C48197E.ECDB5BC3@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > At their present place, they get to work with latest Alpha technology,H > latest Oracle and Tru64 UNIX clustering technologies (don't forget theB > Oracle RAC cluster stuff was licensed from Tru64) and latest SAN > technologies.n  L Right now, working on Alpha, VMS or Tru64 are not considered assets to one'sI carreer because they are dead-end systems that will require the person to>) recycle himself into some other platform.   N It is much harder to convince a potential employer that your legacy skills canN be concerted or are of value in the new environment than if if have experience- in their platform (Sun solaris for instance).i  B > everyone. However, usually, working with the latest and greatestG > technologies is an attractive drawing card for keeping good technical 	 > people.s  V Except that Tru64 and VMS are not the latest and greatest because they have no future.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 05:59:07 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0201180559.22cf9d8e@posting.google.com>n  e Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<glpf4uobv75nbuk7aaopmp2rokmjpa9u98@4ax.com>... 3 > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:54:16 -0500, "Main, Kerry"d  > <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote: >  > >oG > >As long as all the applications are available and the transition anduK > >downtime is minimized, performance is acceptable and the Oerations folksaJ > >issues are addressed, do you really think those that sit in board rooms4 > >really care what HW platform runs their business? > F > But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are nowE > going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future.   G Alpha EV7 is a 7 to 10 year platform ... why worry?  Look at Vax, it isoF still running ... no one buys million dollar systems and replaces them every year, do they?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:41:50 +0000e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!8 Message-ID: <f29g4u4ulpfpnihlcpqc4vqgidcafh8f8m@4ax.com>  1 On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:58:21 -0500, "Main, Kerry"  <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:   >Alan, >tI >>>> But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are nowtG >going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future.<<<- >-G >At their present place, they get to work with latest Alpha technology,pG >latest Oracle and Tru64 UNIX clustering technologies (don't forget theAA >Oracle RAC cluster stuff was licensed from Tru64) and latest SANy >technologies.   Kerry,  D You just don't get it do you? *We* were negotiating  with Compaq forF ES40/45 servers for Tru64. Not any more. Had we been near the point ofD completion of the deal then things might have been different but I'mE certainly no longer pushing that solution which means nobody is whichyB means it won't happen. Compaq have just proved they don't care how: good the technology is by killing it so why should I care?  E I am still pushing for more VAX to Alpha (ES45) VMS migrations thoughi but that's it.  E >If this is not enough, the option to find another OS to work with atgH >some other place of employment is an option that is always available to
 >everyone.  A And will probably be compulsory for you in 18 months time the waynC things are going. My opinion of you is not what it once was shall I  say. And leave it at that...   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:05:20 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>aD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!8 Message-ID: <a29dkl$i7v$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C47785F.DFB53E77@videotron.ca... > Dave Gudewicz wrote:H > > That's what I heard from CPQ people.  That's what I'll believe until thosee& > > same CPQ people tell me different. > I > Would you say the same if CPQ people had told you on June 1 that Compaq@ wasrH > committed to Alpha, you went out and spent a few millions buying a big fancyeL > Wildfire, sealing your commitment to Alpha for 10 years, and then a coupleI > weeks later, before the box is even delivered, you are told that Compaqi has  > renegged on its commitment ?  I  In a word:  YES  and do people really run "Alpha" or do they run "VMS ore Tru64?"*  I > One example: the qubec government embarked in 2001 on a 5 year plan toeG > replace its ibm mainframes with Alpha/Tru64 servers. How do you thinka thosecJ > who made that decision look now that the products they have selected areC > declared dead-ends, but the govt have already begun the project ?I  J I believe this platform will be supported long after there is better stuffF on the market.  And what about those others that recently bought Alpha5 systems?  They're not complaining as people here are.n  L > Sorry, but Compaq's words have very credibility at this point in time, notG > only because of the alpha murder, but also because of the upcoming HPt mergerJ > where HP will be making decisions, so what Compaq says now is worthless.  % What many here say is also worthless.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:35:23 GMTj4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!> Message-ID: <LoW18.81468$Sj1.32647254@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagee7 news:d7791aa1.0201180559.22cf9d8e@posting.google.com... 2 > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message4 news:<glpf4uobv75nbuk7aaopmp2rokmjpa9u98@4ax.com>...5 > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:54:16 -0500, "Main, Kerry"e" > > <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote: > >e > > >aI > > >As long as all the applications are available and the transition andeG > > >downtime is minimized, performance is acceptable and the Oerationso folksfL > > >issues are addressed, do you really think those that sit in board rooms6 > > >really care what HW platform runs their business? > >tH > > But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are nowG > > going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future.  >cI > Alpha EV7 is a 7 to 10 year platform ... why worry?  Look at Vax, it ispH > still running ... no one buys million dollar systems and replaces them > every year, do they?  K Nope... Wintel platforms have a lifespan of as much as five years (hasta laoI vista, Windoze 95) and real platforms tend to last much longer. EV7 looksoJ like its good until midway through the second half of the decade, and with< shrinks beyond CMOS9 could be extended several years beyond.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 04:55:26 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!- Message-ID: <87vge0n1dt.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  * bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes:  ? > This is on the enquirer ... how Gartner ignored what truthfuls> > assessments Compaq had given them and made up lies about VMSF > ... after reading this, Gartner Group has lost all credibility in my > book!a  s) > http://www.theinquirer.net/15010212.html   " > Gartner Group = "bunch of liars"  C Eh?? They are scapping over trivial details, and engaging in a 'yesiA you did, no I didn't' type spat. There are still no solid detailse( from the goats you can bet your arse on.  A And no matter how many miricles the ZK crew pull off, if the goodi& ol boys change their tiny minds, poof.  4 I think if anything, Gardner are being conservative.   -- p< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:08:56 -0500o% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>nD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!, Message-ID: <3C484890.2C431137@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:oC > And will probably be compulsory for you in 18 months time the waysE > things are going. My opinion of you is not what it once was shall Io > say. And leave it at that...  J Yes, I have noticed a few people change their stance quite dramatically inN recent months. I cannot blame those whose paychecks are from Compaq since thayJ are forced to prostitute themselves and defend their employer's decisions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:45:12 +0000t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>wD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!8 Message-ID: <cmgg4u85aqh0e1l07h6n4mts7ajipc54c3@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:41:50 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n wrote:   >eB >And will probably be compulsory for you in 18 months time the wayD >things are going. My opinion of you is not what it once was shall I >say. And leave it at that...e  < I had no need to add the above. Not having the best of days. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:54:05 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>tD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!8 Message-ID: <isgg4ust47vg5eu76cov9lfkvc1qqfqmnc@4ax.com>  A On 18 Jan 2002 05:59:07 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)3 wrote:  f >Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<glpf4uobv75nbuk7aaopmp2rokmjpa9u98@4ax.com>...4 >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:54:16 -0500, "Main, Kerry"! >> <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:- >> 1 >> >H >> >As long as all the applications are available and the transition andL >> >downtime is minimized, performance is acceptable and the Oerations folksK >> >issues are addressed, do you really think those that sit in board rooms 5 >> >really care what HW platform runs their business?c >>  G >> But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are nowiF >> going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future. >eH >Alpha EV7 is a 7 to 10 year platform ... why worry?  Look at Vax, it isG >still running ... no one buys million dollar systems and replaces themk >every year, do they?t  D If you happen to work for an employer who believes Compaq's promises? or has sufficient clout to enforce them then that's fine.  Minei@ doesn't believe there is a long term future in VMS and it's onlyE people like me who have convinced senior corporate management to evenm begin installing Alphas.  B It seriously harmed my career at a previous employer continuing toD push a minority platform in the teeth of DEC's actions. I cannot, inF all seriousness, propose Tru64 on Alpha now when we have no history ofC using Tru64. We do have a history of VMS so I will continue to pusheF that for now. I am not insane enough to propose we *start* using Tru64F now. It will likely be a Solaris box or perhaps NT (although not on myE advice). I can only influence this decision as its not directly in myv& responsibility unlike the VMS systems. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:43:25 -0500n+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>iD Subject: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1BA5@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,i  F Sigh .. Whether the Alpha deal was a great one or an incredibly stupidC one will be debated for a long time - likely until such time as theeF actual 2005+ timeframe IPF systems start getting released and publicly tested.-  F I deal with Customers a great deal and with EV7 follow-on servers thatD will be available to them, they seem relatively satisfied that their3 business needs will be taken care of in the future.a  G Are there other Customers with less than positive concerns about the HPeF merger? Of course. Unfortunately, until it is approved (assuming it isF of course), other than what has already been formerly stated, there isD very little product positioning info that either company is going to publish.=20a  H And even these already published positioning documents could change onceB both sides start to look at actual financial numbers when (if) the merger is complete(d).=205  H Anyway, here are some recent Canadian (since you are based here as well)# OpenVMS, SAN, Oracle testimonials :s: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/dfocanada/? http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/hydroquebec/=20b  E Note - the Hydro Quebec one is also a SCADA reference - was there nota- someone looking for a SCADA reference ealier?e   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantp Compaq Canada Corp.i Professional Servicesa Voice: 613-592-4660u Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----, From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei@videotron.ca] Sent: January 18, 2002 11:09 AMw To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComeD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!     Alan Greig wrote:eC > And will probably be compulsory for you in 18 months time the wayTE > things are going. My opinion of you is not what it once was shall Ic > say. And leave it at that...  G Yes, I have noticed a few people change their stance quite dramaticallyd inC recent months. I cannot blame those whose paychecks are from Compaq-
 since thay? are forced to prostitute themselves and defend their employer'sn
 decisions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:12:14 -0500r+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>mD Subject: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1BA6@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Alan,d  E >>> And will probably be compulsory for you in 18 months time the waynH things are going. My opinion of you is not what it once was shall I say. And leave it at that...<<a  H Thats unfortunate, but regardless, my opinion of yourself remains a very1 positive one. And, who knows, you may be correct.o  D I understand your frustrations, but I see lots of pretty good thingsF happening with respect to OpenVMS (recent wins, internal presentationsH etc) and currently have more VMS related work than I can personally deal@ with right now. [A VMS associate in my group is off until April]  D So, my opinions and views are likely going to be much different thanF someone like yourself or other c.o.v. participants who do not have the$ benefit of this type of information.  F Could the OpenVMS marketing and positioning be better by Compaq? Sure. Who would argue against that?t  H Compaq's focus of the future appears to Enterprise Systems and Services.G Yes, that includes W2K servers as well. However, OpenVMS generates LOTS A of Services (Consulting, break-fix, Outsourcing), so it should be  interesting.  G I don't pretend to insinuate that the future is 100% rosy, but based ontC the information I have right now, it actually looks pretty good for  OpenVMS.=20i   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Servicesa Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----, From: Alan Greig [mailto:a.greig@virgin.net] Sent: January 18, 2002 8:42 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComrD Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!    1 On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:58:21 -0500, "Main, Kerry"  <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:   >Alan, >6E >>>> But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 area now G >going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future.<<<m >dG >At their present place, they get to work with latest Alpha technology,sG >latest Oracle and Tru64 UNIX clustering technologies (don't forget the A >Oracle RAC cluster stuff was licensed from Tru64) and latest SANj >technologies.   Kerry,  D You just don't get it do you? *We* were negotiating  with Compaq forF ES40/45 servers for Tru64. Not any more. Had we been near the point ofD completion of the deal then things might have been different but I'mE certainly no longer pushing that solution which means nobody is whichgB means it won't happen. Compaq have just proved they don't care how: good the technology is by killing it so why should I care?  E I am still pushing for more VAX to Alpha (ES45) VMS migrations thougho but that's it.  E >If this is not enough, the option to find another OS to work with atiH >some other place of employment is an option that is always available to
 >everyone.  A And will probably be compulsory for you in 18 months time the waynC things are going. My opinion of you is not what it once was shall I  say. And leave it at that...   -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:46:57 -0700 (MST)f" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!F Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0201180931050.5978-100000@athena.csdco.com>   Alan,e  % For what it's worth, I've bet on VMS.t  H I use Tru64 too, but agree with you on the risks of starting now on thatF OS, nevertheless, it is a very good Unix.  Our ES40 Usenet server withG HSZ80s services an incoming news feed which hits 20mb/sec bandwidth andl also runs a 1M hit/day website.b  ; BTW, the kids who put together the below have no clue abouteJ Digital/Compaq/Alpha/its-name-of-the-day but they do know that whatever it is always works.  % http://www.csd.net/About/history.html   
 John Nebel    & On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Alan Greig wrote:  C > On 18 Jan 2002 05:59:07 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)t > wrote: > h > >Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<glpf4uobv75nbuk7aaopmp2rokmjpa9u98@4ax.com>...6 > >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:54:16 -0500, "Main, Kerry"# > >> <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:e > >> n > >> >J > >> >As long as all the applications are available and the transition andN > >> >downtime is minimized, performance is acceptable and the Oerations folksM > >> >issues are addressed, do you really think those that sit in board rooms 7 > >> >really care what HW platform runs their business?  > >> eI > >> But the techies who put the projects together on Alpha/Tru64 are now:H > >> going to, at the very least, evaluate other options for the future. > >pJ > >Alpha EV7 is a 7 to 10 year platform ... why worry?  Look at Vax, it isI > >still running ... no one buys million dollar systems and replaces themy > >every year, do they?m > F > If you happen to work for an employer who believes Compaq's promisesA > or has sufficient clout to enforce them then that's fine.  MinerB > doesn't believe there is a long term future in VMS and it's onlyG > people like me who have convinced senior corporate management to evens > begin installing Alphas. > D > It seriously harmed my career at a previous employer continuing toF > push a minority platform in the teeth of DEC's actions. I cannot, inH > all seriousness, propose Tru64 on Alpha now when we have no history ofE > using Tru64. We do have a history of VMS so I will continue to pushhH > that for now. I am not insane enough to propose we *start* using Tru64H > now. It will likely be a Solaris box or perhaps NT (although not on myG > advice). I can only influence this decision as its not directly in myc( > responsibility unlike the VMS systems. > -- > Alan >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:14:49 -0600 , From: "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!+ Message-ID: <a29p5b$1hh$2@milo.mcs.anl.gov>   2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C47785F.DFB53E77@videotron.ca...I > Would you say the same if CPQ people had told you on June 1 that Compaq- was H > committed to Alpha, you went out and spent a few millions buying a big fancyoL > Wildfire, sealing your commitment to Alpha for 10 years, and then a coupleI > weeks later, before the box is even delivered, you are told that Compaqf has@ > renegged on its commitment ?  K Absolutely.  EV7 isn't even out yet, and the Itanium announcement only said L there won't be an EV8 sometime way in the future.  HP has kept their PA-RISCI line going while waiting for Itanium to be competitive, and likewise, thetL Compaq Itanium announcement said nothing about a premature death for EV7.  II have seen no reneging on the long range plan for new EV7s, and it will ben@ possible to keep shrinking and speeding up EV7s until Itanium is competitive.  I Merced had an absurdly optimistic schedule, and it's still pretty hard to G find one in service, but a lot of very bright, well-financed people areoH working on it.  I give good odds that by the end of EV7's life, a futureJ Itanium will be competitive, even if it can't actually beat what EV8 couldK have done.  When development costs are in gigabucks, a marketplace the sizehJ of Windows and Linux servers vs. a marketplace the size of VMS, Tru64, and; NSK servers might be better than a raw CPU speed advantage.o  K Alpha is fast and a fine platform for VMS and Tru64, but just how mandatorytI is Alpha?  How much Macro-64 is really in service?  If you can compile 64eH bit little-endian VMS applications, including BLISS and Macro-32, do youJ really care whether the execution engine is Alpha, Itanium, Power, or XYZ?I If you just went out and spent a few millions buying a big fancy WildfirewL system, would you really expect to swap in EV8 CPU cards ten years from now?  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:07:06 -0500., From: "Kenneth Block" <krblock@computer.org>! Subject: GNV Update now availablen1 Message-ID: <MKX18.207$PZ4.2103@news.cpqcorp.net>e  I The long overdue update to GNV is now available. This update incorporatesn thegE non-COE enhancements made by VMS engineering over the last two years.k  K The major improvement since the last release is that we now have ALL of the H sources needed to build everything. (Thanks to John Reagan and friends).  L It is Open Source, so you do not need to be part of VMS engineering (or even Compaq) to get in on the fun.   E Not sure what GNV is? Read on or head on over to gnv.sourceforge.net.t  H WARNING: If you are working on COE, you do not want this version of GNV.  L ============================================================================ ==  % http://gnv.sourceforge.net/readme.htm    GNV - GNU's Not VMS!  J GNV is an open source, GNU based, Unix environment for VMS. It is intended toG provide the important subset of Unix/Linux/POSIX necessary to port UNIX  software; to VMS. See gnv.sourceforge.net for up to date information.n   Getting Started   I GNV relies heavily on the C Run Time Library. The better the CRTL is, theg betterI GNV will function. For that reason, it is best to install the latest CRTLn which K is available from http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.shtml.- IfL you do not wish to install a newer CRTL or you have a Beta CRTL, GNV can use an< non-installed alternate CRTL. See the advanced step section.   Installing GNV  E The distribution is packaged using BZIP2 compression and TAR. You can  download these from:   1    http://gnv.sourceforge.net/downloads/bzip2.exeh/    http://gnv.sourceforge.net/downloads/tar.exe   * Define foreign commands at the DCL prompt:  $     $bzip2=="$<bzip2 path>bzip2.exe"     $tar=="$<tar path>tar.exe"  F To use GNV, download http://gnv.sourceforge.net/downloads/gnv.tar-bz2. Create a? directory, we will call it GNV_INSTALL and unpack the binaries.i       $create/dir [.GNV_INSTALL]     $set def [.GNV_INSTALL]a     $bzip2 -d gnv.tar-bz2n     $tar -xvf gnv.tarn     $@[.gnv]setup.comr	     $bashK       bash$ ls /gnu/binoD     ar.exe        chmod.exe     gzip.exe      rm.exe        tail.exeC     as.exe        cp.exe        install.exe   rmdir.exe     tar.exe E     basename.exe  diff.exe      ls.exe        sed.exe       touch.exe B     bash.exe      egrep.exe     make.exe      set_exe.com   tr.exeE     bzip2.exe     expr.exe      mkdir.exe     sh.exe        uname.exe B     cat.exe       gawk.exe      mv.exe        sleep.exe     wc.exe6     cc.exe        grep.exe      objdump.exe   stat.exe       bash$ ls /gnu/libz     decc$shr.exe  =     bash$ echo "Welcome to the wonderful world of GNU on VMS" 0     Welcome to the wonderful world of GNU on VMS  F GNV is now installed and ready to go. The rest of this page deals with advancedB configuration and trouble shooting. You can skip it if you are not interested.h     Advanced Setup  G Now look at setup.com. Setup.com defines the GNU logical to be the sameqE directory that the setup.com procedure is found. It also defines somek logicalsL that change the behavior of the CRTL. These are necessary to get the CRTL toF behave as it would on a Unix system. Furture versions of the CRTL will	 eliminate1( the need for these logicals. Stay tuned.  F It can also be used to make GNV use an alternate CRTL. This is done by copyinggL that CRTL into gnu:[lib] as decc$shr_<version>.exe where <version> is the OS$ version without the period. Then do:       $@[.gnv]setup "BETACRTL"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:37:43 +0100.- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>lB Subject: Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory3 Message-ID: <3C47ECE7.27694DBF@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>-   Jouk Jansen wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:2 > >4 > > Jouk Jansen wrote:> > > > $   tcpip mount dnfs0: linux$usr linux$usr /host=linux -M > > > /path="/usr"/system/uid=0/gid=0/acp=(max_work=128,work=64)/timeout=::30n > > >oG > > > I added the ACP qualifier in a try to limit the memory use of the K > > > DNFS#ACP process. However, when I perform a lot of file reading (i.e.nE > > > make a backup of the whole disk) it still exhausts my pagefile.0 > >a- > > acp=(max_workset= , page_file=, workset=)  > > O > > The doc says to look at HELP RUN PROCESS for description of the parameters.>Z > > (not sure if all of them can be used. Note that RUN process uses /MAXIMUM_WORKING_SET. > >sR > > Note that you should check your UAF for the PGFILE parameter to ensure that noK > > single user can exceed the actual page file sizes and hang your system.eG > Seems to work. The created process has a lower page file quota limit.hI > Now I have to see if everything is well programmed and that the processh+ > will not crash when the limit is reached..  F As expected the DNF#ACP process crashed, leaving the mounted device in@ man unaccessable mode. The backup process did hang and could notE interupted by <CTRL-Y> or removing the tape from the device. The disk F could not dismounted any more: The only solution was rebooting. Grmpff  ! So now I have the choice between:e  G       1) Just having infinite pagespace, which finally hangs my machiney             due to page-file-waitE       2) Reducing the amount of paging space in the NFS-mount commandt@            which crashes the device when the quota are exceeded.  E In neither way I get done what I want: access to the files, just readi  them once and forget about them.  @ Is there no way to get around this caching of info in memory????C Why cannot you switch it off and/or reduce the amount of caching???e                     Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:39:52 -0500m% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>-B Subject: Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory, Message-ID: <3C481797.175EBC76@videotron.ca>   Jouk Jansen wrote:H > As expected the DNF#ACP process crashed, leaving the mounted device in > man unaccessable mode. .  / Have you looked at the SYSGEN PQL parameters ? e  M ALSO, if you do a SHOW PROC/ALL on the ACP, does it show  compliance with the K process parameters you specified in the TCPIP MOUNT command ? What usernamei does it run under ?c  K Seems to me that the ACP process somehow is told it has plenty of memory tor
 work with.   another thing you can try:  J MOUNT/CACHE_TIMEOUT=(DIRECTORY:00:00:01,ATRRIBUTE:00:00:01,READ_DIRECTORY)  K That *might* tell it to invalidate the various caches it has after a secondt$ and might allow it to re-use memory.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:21:52 +0100l- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>lB Subject: Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory3 Message-ID: <3C482F80.7E407C8C@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>d   JF Mezei wrote:g >  > Jouk Jansen wrote:J > > As expected the DNF#ACP process crashed, leaving the mounted device in > > man unaccessable mode. > 0 > Have you looked at the SYSGEN PQL parameters ? > O > ALSO, if you do a SHOW PROC/ALL on the ACP, does it show  compliance with thecM > process parameters you specified in the TCPIP MOUNT command ? What usernamee > does it run under ? D The quota are limited. I did a SHOW PROC/ALL/ID=xxxx to confrm this.       > M > Seems to me that the ACP process somehow is told it has plenty of memory to  > work with. >  > another thing you can try:; It only sets the quota of the program and not its behaviouri   > L > MOUNT/CACHE_TIMEOUT=(DIRECTORY:00:00:01,ATRRIBUTE:00:00:01,READ_DIRECTORY) > M > That *might* tell it to invalidate the various caches it has after a secondM& > and might allow it to re-use memory.? *might* : the documentation is not realy clear in this respect.t I'll give it a try.h              Jouko   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:54:03 +0100.- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>hB Subject: Re: How to prevent NFS-client to cache in (virtual)memory3 Message-ID: <3C48532B.47AFDFD5@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    JF Mezei wrote:e >  > Jouk Jansen wrote:J > > As expected the DNF#ACP process crashed, leaving the mounted device in > > man unaccessable mode. > 0 > Have you looked at the SYSGEN PQL parameters ? > O > ALSO, if you do a SHOW PROC/ALL on the ACP, does it show  compliance with the2M > process parameters you specified in the TCPIP MOUNT command ? What usernamen > does it run under ?u > M > Seems to me that the ACP process somehow is told it has plenty of memory tot > work with. >  > another thing you can try: > L > MOUNT/CACHE_TIMEOUT=(DIRECTORY:00:00:01,ATRRIBUTE:00:00:01,READ_DIRECTORY) > M > That *might* tell it to invalidate the various caches it has after a secondr& > and might allow it to re-use memory.      A It still performs the caching and it does not solve the problems.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:35:30 +0100l7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>i8 Subject: RE: HP explains the decision to axe the HP 3000O Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C06@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>   G > I found some portions very disturbing, because I see strong parallelsk > with the VMS situation:t > @ > "As far back as 1992, HP customers have been choosing other HP > platforms over the HP e3000."i > D > There are now more Alpha systems sold with Tru64 than with OpenVMSA > (although 5 and more years ago, the opposite was true).  And ofuF > course, Compaq customers buy many more ProLiant systems than Alphas,$ > if you're just looking at numbers.  G Not a parallel because there are more customers running VMS then Tru64.     MB > "By the end of the 20th century, what had begun as a trickle hadE > turned into a flood.  The family of HP e3000 customers had not only0% > stopped growing, it was shrinking."- > G > The VMS base was growing last year, but this year reports are that it E > is shrinking again.  It's held fairly constant, despite predictionsnB > years ago that it would have fallen by half by now (or Gartner's+ > recent guess that it's fallen by 30-40%).y  - It is still predictions and not hard figures.t  t  F > There are about 400K VMS systems in the installed base vs. about 40KG > for the HP 3000.  Will that make enough difference for VMS to surviveh
 > and thrive?c  Y You can't look at numbers along. There are not even 40K mainframes in the installed base,t but still we have mainframes.         AG > So it's the partners' fault, too.  HP's not to blame because it's not ? > a software company.  Nothing it could do could convince thosew+ > partners.  Or was it that it did nothing?t > G > VMS users often complain about the lack of applications for VMS (likemH > SAP, for example).  But then Compaq is not a software company, either.  T The power of the software companies are very big, but the hardware and OS companies 5 can do a lot to support and push software companies.     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:12:43 GMTr4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>K Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaqo> Message-ID: <LqT18.81332$Sj1.32556401@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  9 "David Masterson" <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote in messagea" news:uzo3c1h7o.fsf@synopsys.com... > >>>>> Terry C Shannon writes:  > = > > "David Masterson" <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote in message-& > > news:u4rlk30zh.fsf@synopsys.com... >5 > >> >>>>> barone1  writes:b ><G > >> > "Compaq is a PC Company" - Compaq was a PC Company which decided H > >> > to enter the enterprise arena by merging with Digital.  Compaq isA > >> > now a company that offers it all, not just PC's. Worldwide C > >> > Services and Consulting.  Don't forget Tandem, also a Compaqt > >> > company.s >t2 > >> The question is -- has Compaq forgotten them? >8D > > Perhaps I don't look at the Big Picture, but I think it would beA > > kinda hard to forget a profit of $74M on $301M in 4FQ NonStopt > > Division revenue.b >eH > Then, has Compaq been growing the Tandem portion of the business since@ > the PC market is in dull drums?  And, from the looking-forwardD > statements, does it plan to grow them significantly in the future.  I Yes and yes. About four percent in FY01, I would expect the same trend ina FY02.    >eH > In a company as large as Compaq, a division could be doing really wellH > and, yet, have been forgotten in the overall company's Big Picture for
 > the future.a >o  J The devil is in the details. Especially when the details are marketing andE communications. The NonStop Division has to compete for mindshare andcI attention, and it's a tough row to hoe when you're a $1.3B part of a $30B 4 company... even if you are the most profitable part!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:19:52 +0100p$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>K Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaqf/ Message-ID: <spU18.65$AB3.3226@news.get2net.dk>f  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 8 news:LqT18.81332$Sj1.32556401@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >,; > "David Masterson" <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote in messagee$ > news:uzo3c1h7o.fsf@synopsys.com...! > > >>>>> Terry C Shannon writes:t > > ? > > > "David Masterson" <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote in messageS( > > > news:u4rlk30zh.fsf@synopsys.com... > >n > > >> >>>>> barone1  writes:  > >eI > > >> > "Compaq is a PC Company" - Compaq was a PC Company which decidedeJ > > >> > to enter the enterprise arena by merging with Digital.  Compaq isC > > >> > now a company that offers it all, not just PC's. WorldwideoE > > >> > Services and Consulting.  Don't forget Tandem, also a CompaqS > > >> > company.  > >s4 > > >> The question is -- has Compaq forgotten them? > >tF > > > Perhaps I don't look at the Big Picture, but I think it would beC > > > kinda hard to forget a profit of $74M on $301M in 4FQ NonStopi > > > Division revenue.  > >nJ > > Then, has Compaq been growing the Tandem portion of the business sinceB > > the PC market is in dull drums?  And, from the looking-forwardF > > statements, does it plan to grow them significantly in the future. > K > Yes and yes. About four percent in FY01, I would expect the same trend ine > FY02.e >@ > >tJ > > In a company as large as Compaq, a division could be doing really wellJ > > and, yet, have been forgotten in the overall company's Big Picture for > > the future.  > >e >oL > The devil is in the details. Especially when the details are marketing andG > communications. The NonStop Division has to compete for mindshare andhK > attention, and it's a tough row to hoe when you're a $1.3B part of a $30Bo6 > company... even if you are the most profitable part! >I  K Rather like Rdb at Oracle, which was apparently a stellar performer, a facte hidden an unnoticed apparently.e   >g   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:39:27 GMTI4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>K Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaqd> Message-ID: <jAV18.81434$Sj1.32618559@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  / "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in messaged) news:spU18.65$AB3.3226@news.get2net.dk...t >aA > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messaged <snip>J > > The devil is in the details. Especially when the details are marketing andtI > > communications. The NonStop Division has to compete for mindshare andaH > > attention, and it's a tough row to hoe when you're a $1.3B part of a $30B8 > > company... even if you are the most profitable part! > >6 >aH > Rather like Rdb at Oracle, which was apparently a stellar performer, a fact! > hidden an unnoticed apparently.r >,  C Good point. At VMS customer venues (and yes, these DO exist) OraclevK painstakingly points out the track record of Rdb. But you never seem to seeLE it get mentioned in press releases or Quotations from Chairman Larry.l   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 05:58:29 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)oK Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaq,= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0201180558.52f3eb41@posting.google.com>-  z "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message news:<k8L18.81264$Sj1.32262492@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>...< > a profit of $74M on $301M in 4FQ NonStop Division revenue.  9 What are the corresponding numbers for OpenVMS and Tru64?i? --------------------------------------------------------------- ? Keith Parris | parris at encompasserve dot org | Consulting on:m> Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Performance, I/O, Storage & SANs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:43:29 +0000i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> K Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaqw8 Message-ID: <ug9g4uk9af9mi149enrf2c08k6lptvhhan@4ax.com>  B On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:19:52 +0100, "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote:   >=L >Rather like Rdb at Oracle, which was apparently a stellar performer, a fact  >hidden an unnoticed apparently.  E Once again we can either believe that DEC management were incompetentxB and didn't notice its value or we can assume that the decision hadE been taken that it was not strategic therefore it would go. No mattern what cost...  $ Of course Oracle did bump the price.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:51:41 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>tK Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaq > Message-ID: <1EW18.213940$pa1.58003822@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  J Global services does do an incredible amount of work with MS products too, particularly Exchange..t  I I have no idea of the revenue split between this type of work and VMS/NSKi
 type work.    > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3C472722.45B4DFA2@swissonline.delete.ch...h >  >t > Phillip Helbig wrote:o > >dE > > > Depends on how you categorize things.  For example, IIRC it was= recentlyF > > > stated that Tandem and Alpha systems accounted for 90% of Global > > > Services revenue...o > >d> > > Right---and that's how many % Tandem and how many % Alpha? > >uH > > Isaac Asimov's brother Stan was quoted as saying "the two of us have2 > > written on average about 250 books each".  :-) >n >aJ > I think Bill's point was that high-end platforms are underpinning Global0 > Services; GS would be very small without them. >lG > From the financial discussion document (and note the admissions about  > high-end platforms) ...e > H > Compaq Global Services consists of four global business units: SystemsF > Integration, Customer Support, Managed Services and Compaq FinancialH > Services. Systems Integration offerings include end-to-end informationH > systems consulting, technical and application design services, systemsG > integration, internet and network architecture and project management"I > services. Customer Support offerings include business-critical serviceslJ > and high-availability support services for multi-vendor/multi-technologyC > hardware and software products. Customer Support also manages and D > delivers warranty support to its customers through its own serviceI > organization, as well as through full-service resellers and independentrG > service companies. Managed Services offerings include outsourcing and B > resource management services, as well as business continuity and@ > recovery services. Compaq Financial Services offerings includeE > customized enterprise financing solutions that encompass computers, I > networks and technology upgrades, as well as asset tracking, managementy > and disposal services. >] > and later ...s >>I > Given current economic uncertainties, customers are focused on services I > and solutions that reduce costs and increase productivity, resulting in A > growth in revenue from outsourcing and support services. Compaq.J > Financial Services, with a quarterly revenue increase of 24 percent overI > the prior year, continues to see positive growth in traditional leasing J > programs as well as new opportunities through Computing on Demand, whichE > offers customers a broad range of on-demand solutions. Revenue from/D > Systems Integration was weaker in the quarter and full year due toD > market softness in several regions, particularly in North America,I > resulting in lower chargeability of delivery personnel. Overall, CompaqaJ > Global Services continues to benefit from a large geographically diverseI > base, helping to counterbalance market disruptions in the U.S. Compaq's C > strategy of offering bundled hardware and solutions through assetfG > management, leasing and support services has led to steady sequential.H > growth in the number of units under contract for these services duringC > the last three years. During 2001 Compaq's unit sales of hardwareeE > declined due to the general economic weakness and technology marketwJ > contraction experienced by the industry as a whole. Should Compaq not beG > successful in maintaining the number of hardware units under contract H > for services or should it not be able to grow its market share throughF > other service offerings and penetration with new customers to offsetH > declines in its contract base, then Compaq's asset management, leasing> > and support services revenue could suffer in future periods.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:03:25 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>yK Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaqa> Message-ID: <1PW18.213979$pa1.58013467@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  G Digital would have been far better off taking Rdb and spining it into acI public company with an IPO, and retaining a non-controlling 49% interest.n  J Remember that the stock market was hot back then. They would have realizedK much more money from this than the few (~$150 mln) dollars Oracle paid. And-E perhpas much more had Rdb Inc. been pursued in a subsequent takeover.   K I suggested it to Mr. GQ (Palmer) and offered to put him in touch with sometL of my close investment banker friends who would have done the deal. They didI some quick back-of-the-envelope calcs and figured that an IPO couild haveuK raised about 2x as much as Oracle paid. Give a bit less than half to DEC inQH cash as selling shareholder, half to capitalize Rdb Inc.  DEC could have? then sold off their remaining interest in the market over time.   5 Then an o/s portable Rdb would have become a reality.c      J > > Rather like Rdb at Oracle, which was apparently a stellar performer, a > fact# > > hidden an unnoticed apparently.O > >A >_E > Good point. At VMS customer venues (and yes, these DO exist) Oracle*I > painstakingly points out the track record of Rdb. But you never seem to  see G > it get mentioned in press releases or Quotations from Chairman Larry., >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:31:32 GMTj0 From: Leonard Fehskens <len.fehskens@compaq.com>K Subject: Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline financial analysis of Compaqi; Message-ID: <Xns919A6BDCC5832LenNewsgroupID@155.186.176.59>C  . "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in ; news:7lF18.329883$m05.26645250@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com:E  J > Depends on how you categorize things.  For example, IIRC it was recentlyK > stated that Tandem and Alpha systems accounted for 90% of Global ServicesO > revenue...  K I'm pretty sure the services revenues are *services* revenues, not hardwareC sales associated with services.    len.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 17:26:44 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) < Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?, Message-ID: <a29lsk$165s$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  < In article <GcI08.468$rA.65847@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,-  "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes:a: |> Just a question to the assembled masses on comp.os.vms. |>  I |> So..... if I sign up for the "Associate" membership...... will I stillh/ |> be eligible for the VMS Hobbyist licenses ? -  I I certainly hope so.  I would hate to have to run NetBSD on all my VAXen..   bill   -- hJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 17:29:19 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)/< Subject: Re: Is there any value in an Encompass membership ?, Message-ID: <a29m1f$165s$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  3 In article <44Zc5mrwjCfu@eisner.encompasserve.org>,e0  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:l |> In article <GcI08.468$rA.65847@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> writes: |> 0C |> > No mention of any free membership options in the message...... A |> > (though the web site mentions an "Associate" membership thatl; |> > doesn't cost any money but asks WAY too many questions . |> > that I don't think they need to know....) |> > -K |> > So..... if I sign up for the "Associate" membership...... will I still D |> > be eligible for the VMS Hobbyist licenses ? It's not mentioned E |> > anywhere that I can see..... & that's the only value, right now,0A |> > that I can see in an Encompass membership for an individual.d |> bE |>    Notes on Encompasserve took pains to point out that there is no J |>    "Associate Membership".  There is "Associate" which is not a member.  I I read it different (but possibly wrong).  I thought it was a membership,tG but a non-voting one.  If it is not a membership then it won't apply to)H the Hobbyist program and I would expect that will bring down the curtainG on that.  I can't afford meaningless memberships for organizations thattG actually apply to my job, I surely couldn't afford them for my hobbies.t   bill   -- ,J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 08:00:29 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)G Subject: Re: microshaft lookouts' Message-ID: <a28kmt$her$3@joe.rice.edu>c  4 Bradford J. Hamilton (sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com) wrote:H : Wouldn't it be better to chop up microshaft lookout into 80-character 	 : chunks?e : :-) 
 : In article VD : <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170E126@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, / : Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes:a : > C : > So... slightly off-topic, has anyone got some idea how to make lC : > microshaft lookout chop my lines up into 80-character chunks?  N/ : > These mile-long lines are even annoying me.e : >O  C I don't use Outlook or Outlook Express, but perhaps this will help:e  -   http://www.slipstick.com/mail1/longline.htmeB   To control line length in Internet messages in Microsoft Outlook  E The slipstick site is a great resource for Outlook, Outlook Express, p
 and Exchange.a  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:49:14 +0000r( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>> Subject: Re: Need help with ANAL/ERROR output -- 2 disk errors) Message-ID: <3C4819CA.31D18A51@127.0.0.1>1   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > H > Can anyone help me interpret this and/or make recommendations for whatH > to do about this disk? The timeout error concerns me the most. Is thisH > just a warning about a command that had to be resent or might there be$ > some missing/corrupt data? Thanks.  H Extended sense errors are code generated by the drive for some conditionE or other, and VMS can see them but doesn't itself know what they are.hD The drive manufacturer would be able to supply the information as toA what the sense codes mean, as returned in the extended sense dataaH fields. Typically non-DSA (Digital Storage Architecture) drives do this.  G The 'timeout' error is from VMS, it looks like it asked the drive to doID something (gave it a command) and VMS didn't get a completion status/ back from the drive in the time it expected to.h  B Interestingly, the device reports itself as an RZ26L. I would have@ expected VMS to handle all the error codes thrown back. I wonderG therefore if cables were disturbed at at the time of the error, or eveneC if there is an intermittent fault, or if the RZ26L is not really aniA RZ26L, or the software (operating system) version you are runningl< doesn't know enough about that drive to interpret the error.  F You could try copying the errlog.sys to a later version VMS system andB see if the error is decoded differently (long shot). Otherwise I'dE inform the hardware support to see if there is anything more they canoE make of it, and keep the disk well backed up, and an eye on the errorp counts to see if they increase.r  H I'll assume that the SCSI cable lengths and terminations are all as they@ should be, getting strange errors is to be expected if it's not.   -- i( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:46:46 +0000n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>LY Subject: Re: OT Eggplants and Aubergines [was Re: Younger recruits versus   experiencedvey8 Message-ID: <4rgg4u483c0ol9hhrlo2pfsovm0grrnam9@4ax.com>  C On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:02:54 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>  wrote:  " >Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote: >> s, >> No eggplants in England, just aubergines! >> bD >> It's the Americans who tried to put the egg in eggplant surely... >PG >But the british stole it from the french. Aubergines is a french word.n  - See below for who the French stole it from :)y And see third entryn ==== 3 entries foundo aubergine (br-zhn, br-jn)l n.  
 See eggplant.a  D [French, from Catalan albergina, from Arabic al-binjn, the eggplant, from Persian bdenjn, bdengn.]     A aubergine n 1: hairy upright herb native to southeastern Asia but F widely cultivated for its large glossy edible fruit commonly used as aA vegetable [syn: eggplant, brinjal, eggplant bush, garden egg, mad E apple, Solanum melongena] 2: egg-shaped vegetable having a shiny skindF typically dark purple but occasionally white or yellow [syn: eggplant, mad apple] f    	 auberginef  D <jargon> A secret term used to refer to computers in the presence of computerphobic third parties.    (1995-01-24)       -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jan 2002 03:05 CSTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)sY Subject: Re: OT Eggplants and Aubergines [was Re: Younger recruits versusexperiencedvetern- Message-ID: <18JAN200203050788@gerg.tamu.edu>s  $ Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes...H }Well, I don't think we 'stole' it - more like it was 'donated' to us by }William the Conquerer!o }  };^D }  }Steve S  D Unfortunately I don't have access to an OED, but the Merriam-WebsterB online dictionary says the usage of "aubergine" dates back to 1794A (from the French, who got it from the Catalan who got it from the0G Arabic "al-bAdhinjAn" - it would be interesting to know what this meansuA in Arabic, like if it means "eggplant"), which is much later thanCE old William, whereas the usage of "eggplant" dates back to 1767. Thus E it looks like "eggplant" is the older term. Of course, I have no idea2E what the basis for the dates given there is - it could just as easily.E be the first documented American use as it could the first documenteda use in any written English.e  	 --- Carl    9 }"Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> on 01/17/2002 03:41:22 PMd } ! }To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como }cc:F }From:      "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>, 17 January 2002, 3:41 p.m. } A }Re: OT Eggplants and Aubergines [was Re: Younger recruits versusw2 }experiencedveterans ( was The demise of compaq )] }  } J }Indeed, the English know a good word when they hear one and readily adopt* }it, making English a truly rich language. } 3 }"JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in messageL' }news:3C46D965.E593B023@videotron.ca...u$ }> Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote: }> >. }> > No eggplants in England, just aubergines! }> >F }> > It's the Americans who tried to put the egg in eggplant surely... }>I }> But the british stole it from the french. Aubergines is a french word.3 }  }  }  }  }  }  } G }______________________________________________________________________i }  }  }[Information] -- PostMaster:2E }This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may bepH }confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasH }been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,% }distribute or use this transmission.d } I }Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isgH }not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedL }this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message. }  }Thank you.i } E }Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.t< }Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228. } J }Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,E }RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.  }  }    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 04:00:13 -08001 From: dmitry_bessonov@yahoo.com (Dmitry Bessonov)iY Subject: Re: Pathworks V6 VMS Server as BDC in NT Domain: machine account gets out of syn.= Message-ID: <a85679c0.0201180400.110edbb4@posting.google.com>-   John,-  A Thanks for the idea about separate trusting domain with Pathworksm1 servers, though I didn't have time to try it yet.o  F There's a Netdom utility from NT and 2000 Resource Kits, it can resyncE the machine account's password of the machine it runs on. Do you havecC an idea about a utility that could do same on VMS? If it exists, ittE could probably repair the secure channel between Pwrk BDC and NT PDC.M   Dmitry dmitry_bessonov@yahoo.com     p John Malmberg <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq> wrote in message news:<3C45845A.7020300@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>...   [snip]E > When I was managing Pathworks 6.X servers, I put them in their own IJ > domain, and set up that domain to trust the NT domain.  This allows the I > Pathworks servers to continue to the NT domain accounts, but insulates hG > you a quite a bit from some of the Windows NT specific compatability SF > problems.  Especially when some service PAK makes an unexpected and I > undocumented change to the communication between domain controllers in p > the same domain. > H > Occasionally if you reboot the Windows NT 4.x domain controllers they J > will lose trusts with other domains.  But the trusts can be more easily  > reestablished. > J > Unfortunately changing from being a BDC in a domain to being a resource C > domain will probably required updating all Pathworks ACLs on the  9 > Pathworks server to explicitly reference the NT domain.i > D > Because of the trust, you can still manage the permissions on the J > Pathworks shares from the NT domain, and in fact continue to do all the  > other operations as before.S [snip]   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:39:24 -0000r* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>Y Subject: RE: Pathworks V6 VMS Server as BDC in NT Domain: machine account gets out of syn M Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E580@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>r  J When we lost sync connection with our advance_server due to a physical PDCA hardware change. We managed to resync it by logging into admin asvL administrator on the advance_server, then using service manager from the PDCL to resync the advance_server on both the server name and the alias - It tookK about 3 attempt's but it did sync and start the netlogon service. The othertG thing we have done when unable to access the PDC was to again logon the G advance_server as administrator and then issue the command NET ACCOUNTS  /SYNC J Touch wood we've never had to use the Micro$oft method of renaming the BDC !! - TechNet article Q153719   Hope this helps    Andrew Robinsonc   >John, > B >Thanks for the idea about separate trusting domain with Pathworks2 >servers, though I didn't have time to try it yet. >sG >There's a Netdom utility from NT and 2000 Resource Kits, it can resync,F >the machine account's password of the machine it runs on. Do you haveD >an idea about a utility that could do same on VMS? If it exists, itF >could probably repair the secure channel between Pwrk BDC and NT PDC. >, >Dmitryt >dmitry_bessonov@yahoo.com >e >e@ >John Malmberg <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq> wrote in message2 news:<3C45845A.7020300>>@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>... >n [snip]E > When I was managing Pathworks 6.X servers, I put them in their own eJ > domain, and set up that domain to trust the NT domain.  This allows the I > Pathworks servers to continue to the NT domain accounts, but insulates  G > you a quite a bit from some of the Windows NT specific compatability uF > problems.  Especially when some service PAK makes an unexpected and I > undocumented change to the communication between domain controllers in e > the same domain. > H > Occasionally if you reboot the Windows NT 4.x domain controllers they J > will lose trusts with other domains.  But the trusts can be more easily  > reestablished. > J > Unfortunately changing from being a BDC in a domain to being a resource C > domain will probably required updating all Pathworks ACLs on the n9 > Pathworks server to explicitly reference the NT domain.  > D > Because of the trust, you can still manage the permissions on the J > Pathworks shares from the NT domain, and in fact continue to do all the  > other operations as before.C [snip]   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:27:02 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Pro mergerc> Message-ID: <a9X18.214048$pa1.58029719@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  L So Curly should be promoting OpenVMS extremely aggressively until such time,I if, as, and when, Carly becomes his boss and tells him VMS is out. At thelL very least, his & the Boards' actions are impairing the value of CPQ shares,5 which could materially affect the price HP would pay.   K As a shareholder of CPQ I think that suing Compaq and the BOD for breach of K trust on this one might not be a bad idea. Mikey's lack of promotion of oneeG of the company's leading products is action that borders on the edge ofaD dereliction of duty and fiduciary responsibility. Remember, Curly isK supposed to be acting in a fiduciary role for all shareholders. Grounds for I a non-confidence motion at the very least and his removal from the Board.i  B I know some Texas lawyers who might want to take this one on via aH contingency fee, and we all know what Texas lawyers can do when they set; their minds to it. Ask Toshiba about their $1B+ settlement.)        6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1BA1@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. John, Alan -  G The rules are that we compete very aggressively with HP until such time:G as the merger is complete and that is what is happening. Both sides are:4 continuing to fight each other at every opportunity.  H As far as the document from HP goes, imho, and pure guesswork, but HP-UXH does not compete much in the Tandem space, so they likely felt it was ok/ to say something on that space in the document.n  F HP-UX and VMS do currently compete in a few area's, so HP is not goingB to take any edges from their Sales force - If I were them, I would likely do the same thing.s   Regardsv  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn Compaq Canada Corp.a Professional Servicesv Voice: 613-592-4660- Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----8 From: John McLean [mailto:mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch] Sent: January 17, 2002 12:21 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi Subject: Re: Pro mergert         Alan Greig wrote:n >n3 > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:06:04 -0500, "Main, Kerry"r  > <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote: >tF > >What happens if before the merger is complete, HP says VMS is great and C > >one of the best OS's around .. what does that do to HP's currentS= > >business when the HP Sales force is currently actively and  aggressivelyB > >competing against Compaq and VMS / Tru64 / NT /NSK? Similarily, Compaq< > >Sales could potentially use that quote against current HP opportunities. >oF > Kerry a dinosaur killing sized hole is blown in this argument by theE > fact that HP *have* said that NSK is great in their document on why-A > the merger is such a good idea. VMS gets no mention at all. The.G > document goes on to say that HP will eliminate the multiple operatingoA > systems inherited from Compaq. Only NSK is singled out as safe.  >aH > >Obviously there are business and loads of legal issues about what oneE > >company can (or will) say against or for the other company when inu theg > >middle of a merger.  F Kerry I take your point but I also agree with Alan.  Carly saying that= VMS does have a (positive) place in their plans would be veryeE comforting.  She doesn't have to heap praise on it; she just needs to H give VMS customers and users some re-assurance that there is a place for it.>     John McLean.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:47:55 +0100l< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>1 Subject: Re: Purveyor is superior for VMS - proofa4 Message-ID: <a28ng1$ushbf$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Bob Ceculski wrote...u6 >martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote..., >> Bob Ceculski (bob@instantwhip.com) wrote:: >> > martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote...L >> > > And the "automatic, transparent, fail-over to any other system in theJ >> > > cluster" is a feature of TCPware which I have successfully employed! >> > > on a cluster running CSWS.  >> >J >> > unfortunately, CSWS cannot run on both Alpha & Vax in a mixed cluster ...o" >> > only tcpware/purveyor can ... >>H >> Unfortunately, Purveyor can only cope with EXEs and COMs. No Perl, no Java.n > F > wrong again!  We compile and run java scripts embedded in dcl coms &E > called from dcl coms using purveyor and also call perl scripts from 	 > dcl ...|  D I looked into this once. The kludge needed to embed the call to perlG into a COM file (convert the CGI environment, resend the WWW_IN mailboxeC to perl's STDIN [with terminator issues on the mailbox]) was really  ugly...D  D No comments about Java, as I haven't looked at it. I guess, however,  that a similar kludge is needed.  	 > we also D > use the vms java virtual machine ... and we also had a perl scriptE > that ran that I converted when we brought our site in house ... dclo: > and dibol scripts are superior to perl anyday on vms ...  D This is pure personal taste. I prefer perl (and of course, I believe it's a hell of a language...).   > and we are currentlyF > working w/synergy for a solution which will allow us to run xml thru > dibol and purveyor!t  @ I prefer to live on Apache Island. There, all the world works onA solutions. And by basing them on Java and Perl, I can employ themaD (mostly) without any changes on VMS, regardless of the platform they were developed on.  B > With mapping features and dll's that can interact from c w/dibol. > external subroutines, nothing is impossible!  @ Sure, if I did something like ActiveState for Windows (i.e. wrap? the perl interpreter in an ISAPI DLL), I could have easy accessdA to perl with Purveyor also. But you need to re-write the Perl-I/OF system for that...   cu,n   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deaJ One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 07:18:20 -0800$ From: svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth)2 Subject: Re: Questions about VIOC on VMS 7.3 Alpha= Message-ID: <5a85bce2.0201180718.2a513c01@posting.google.com>   k hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<MrL18.171$PZ4.1609@news.cpqcorp.net>...oH > I will assume that you have switched from XFC over to VIOC pending theH >   availability of the XFC V2.0 (or later) ECO kit -- this updated XFC H >   code is presently under test.  If you have not switched from XFC to J >   VIOC on V7.3, please set the VCC_FLAGS value to 1, and reboot.  (This L >   applies regardless of any installation of the XFC V1.0 ECO kit on V7.3.)   Hoff:r  E Yes, I am running with VCC_FLAGS set to 1 just like you told me to ona 31-OCT-2001:  D "Regardless of the actual/eventual release schedule for the ECO kit, the F   VIOC-based I/O caching does work -- please enable (via the VCC_FLAGS?   system parameter) and use VIOC on existing OpenVMS Alpha V7.3e systemsf0   pending the availability of the XFC V2.0 kit."   :^)u    C >   The theoretical limit for VIOC is 2GB, and you won't get there.e >  >   XFC can be rather larger.   E Okay, so on my 24GB ES40, it sounds like I should stop monkeying with F the VIOC (a 1GB cache should hold us for now) and wait for the ECO for the XFC to arrive.  I >   The value acquired from the VCC_PTEs parameter is adjusted (downward)sJ >   based on the available SPTEs, so any value that is equal to or larger J >   than the required number of PTEs for support of the system VIOC cache H >   will provide the required results.  (This is the reason why there isG >   normally no need to tweak the VCC_PTES parameter from its default, n> >   and why the parameter is listed as a "special" parameter.) > K >   If insufficient room is available for the cache, CACHE$GL_PTES will be rJ >   zeroed.  If there is room for caching, it will be enabled.  (The code I >   involved will try to create enough SPTEs to map all of system space, cJ >   using what it can get above the non-cache requirements as room to map 5 >   any potential increase in the size of the cache.)n  D Ok, that makes sense.  That's what I'm seeing when I try to lend 2GB to the VIOC.  C Can you share with the newsgroup any details on the availability ofr the next XFC ECO?   ) Thanks for the excellent, detailed reply.    -Scott Vieth   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 05:58:55 -0800. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: Queue problemsa= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0201180558.2f1fc591@posting.google.com>y  s spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<b096a4ee.0201171828.72561410@posting.google.com>...t| > pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders) wrote in message news:<bc0e3bd8.0201171008.16354721@posting.google.com>... > > hi,3G > >   I have recently changed the name of my microvax 3100 vax node anda6 > > everything is fine except for the sys$batch queue.H > >   When I do a show queue it displays the queue as running on the old > > node name.' > >   I have tried to run the command :eE > >   init /queue /on=<new_node_name> but when I enter the queue_name C > > sys$batch it replies with inconsistent queue name. The queue isbH > > auto-started so is not defined in systartup_v5.com. Does anyone knowI > > which file holds the auto-queued queue or how I change the node name.f > > I am using vms vax 5.5-2 > > ta > > patn > ? > First, run SHOW QUEUE/FULL/SUM SYS$BATCH and save the output.l > C > Then, and this is not tested, but I think it should work for you:l >  > $ STOP/QUEUE/RESET SYS$BATCH > $ DELETE/QUEUE SYS$BATCH1 > $ INIT/QUEUE/BATCH SYS$BATCH /ON=new-node-name s > /optionally-other-qualifiers  B You may want to add the /START qualifier, of course, especially inD your startup file! And /option... was supposed to appear on the same
 line as INIT.e  < Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman4 afeldman;gfigroup.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:30:02 GMT>1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> Y Subject: Re: Rise and Fall of the Magaloids (was Re: Incredibly idiocy in CNN headline fic8 Message-ID: <_9Q18.2538$ko4.247348@nasal.pacific.net.au>  C In vmsnet.alpha Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:n  < > "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message, > news:3C475D24.F6BFE927@ost.cdrh.fda.gov... >> "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:L >> > It's a shame, because some of the trade rags (PC Week, PC Tech Journal,3 >> > Digital Review) were pretty good in their day.l >>I >> I dug this definition up from my very first web server directory tree,o	 > created  [...snip...]  9 	BTW, if anyone collects these magazines then I have some_9 	available. About 15 DEC Professional-s ( early 90-s ), 3 7 	Digital Systems Journal ( also early 90-s ), and some ): 	DECUserve journals ( with writings of some of the regular 	posters here :-) .e  % 	Let me know if you are interested...u 						Cheers,    Csaba  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------eE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehognE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.sI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------y;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:32:23 GMT2+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>n Subject: SCopy4 Message-ID: <1011349913.54401@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>  8 Does anyone know if there is a VMS port of Scopy please?   Cheers   Andy   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 07:28:15 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s Subject: Re: SCopy3 Message-ID: <y4MH3eu3IpiV@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  b In article <1011349913.54401@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> writes:: > Does anyone know if there is a VMS port of Scopy please?  9 I am under the impression that Scopy is a Microsoft name.   0 How about scp ?  Coming to Multinet and TCPware.   http://groups.google.com/groups?q=scp+group:comp.os.vms&hl=en&scoring=d&selm=5.1.0.14.2.20010928131825.00abd420%40raptor.psccos.com&rnum=2   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:42:28 GMTm4 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.com>1 Subject: Re: TCPIP services QIO readvblk question4> Message-ID: <86S18.10118$gf1.56969@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  J > Does you office have a view on the ocean ? Do you work on the beach ? Do youo  > go surfing during lunch hour ?  H You'll have to pop on down, I'll give you the grand tour.  Remember your  sunscreen, hat and surfboard :-)   Cheers,f Matt.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:51:29 GMTc, From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) Subject: triple boot1 Message-ID: <3c486e19.6826265@news.cable.ntl.com>d   Hi,   C Does anyone know if it would be possible to triple boot linux, VMS,t$ Tru64 off of SRM on the same system?  B Also would it be possible to have the three OS residing off of one
 hard disk.    cheers,     Peter Watkinsonm peterw@u.genie.co.uk   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:15:38 +0000 (UTC)o9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>e+ Subject: Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?p- Message-ID: <a28p3q$354$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>   , Douglas B Rupp <rupp@nospam_gnat.com> wrote:" :> Which tools are needed for GCC?I :> Is recent GCC really working on VMS, considering the general status of0F :> non-Intel stuff and GCC, and that the .com-files are 2-3 years old?  I : .COM files are no long used. Gcc is configured with bash and built justDJ : like every other host. There are alot of Unix tools needed to build Gcc,J : luckily most are ported quite easily since the same issues are seen over : and over.W   Ah.eG I tried using ./configure a while ago with GNV 0.3 (I think), but therer0 were problems with redirection on stdout/stderr.  H : I'm not sure what you mean by your comment on non-Intel stuff and Gcc.  G Compiling GCC on Tru64Unix, Solaris/Sparc, HP-UX, AIX, Irix, Ultrix etc   
 -Roar Thronse   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 05:38:46 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?h- Message-ID: <87r8oomzdl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>B  ( Roar Throns <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:  ! > Which tools are needed for GCC?,H > Is recent GCC really working on VMS, considering the general status ofE > non-Intel stuff and GCC, and that the .com-files are 2-3 years old?o  % Why port GCC when we still have DECC?   cE > : With the upcoming port of VMS to IA64 we hope to continue to growDF > : our business on VMS.  This will probably require porting Emacs, so' > : we would hate to see it eliminated.r  h: > The /standard=vaxc may have to be finally dropped, then.  E :) BTW, emacs 21 is a lot cleaner in building etc. From memory, there F is no 'real evil' type stuff left. Even the compile lines are straight forward!  D BTW, give n the 'joys' of ELF on itanic, perhaps a better idea would# be to do the dump as a mapped file?r   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:21:24 +0000t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e+ Subject: Re: vms emacs: last call? the end?u8 Message-ID: <rqig4ugpbh7b7648b7j2778jfllgf5abn3@4ax.com>  E On 18 Jan 2002 05:38:46 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  ) >Roar Throns <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> writes:s >L" >> Which tools are needed for GCC?I >> Is recent GCC really working on VMS, considering the general status oflF >> non-Intel stuff and GCC, and that the .com-files are 2-3 years old? >d& >Why port GCC when we still have DECC?  E Well DECC is going away to be replaced by Intel C at some time in thee future.    > F >> : With the upcoming port of VMS to IA64 we hope to continue to growG >> : our business on VMS.  This will probably require porting Emacs, so ( >> : we would hate to see it eliminated. > ; >> The /standard=vaxc may have to be finally dropped, then.o > F >:) BTW, emacs 21 is a lot cleaner in building etc. From memory, thereG >is no 'real evil' type stuff left. Even the compile lines are straighta	 >forward!r > E >BTW, give n the 'joys' of ELF on itanic, perhaps a better idea would $ >be to do the dump as a mapped file?   -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:40:49 -0800 (PST)u. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>/ Subject: Re: VMS person looking for a job in UKe@ Message-ID: <20020118114049.60620.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   Tryl   www.jobrecruit.co.uk  $ A lot of OpenVMS jobs in Europe !=20/ There was a position in Surrey another day !=20a   Fabio C.      2 --- Mike Price <michael_e_price@talk21.com> wrote: > Sorry to bother you all BUTr >=204 > I am looking for a job in the UK - specifically in > of near Northe5 > Wales, Liverpool or Manchester - or similar. I haver > 20 years experince# > in IT and at least 9 years on VMSA >=20( > Lots of experience in (amongst others)  > VMS system building and tuning > DECnet (phase 4 and 5) > TCP/IP (UCX as was)t5 > COBOL (including 'techie' programs with lots of QIOt > and simlar systemi > services)a > LATr
 > DECforms > SYSGEN etc etc > VAX and Alphat > and so on, >=204 > If anyone knows of any jobs that are - or might be > available in these) > areas I would be grateful for a messagei >=20 >=20 > Thanks for reading >=20 > Mike Price     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3De F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilr fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D:  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:47:19 +0000w% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>:/ Subject: Re: VMS person looking for a job in UKm8 Message-ID: <vo9g4ucb5qkjr5ls1piqpnnrektlpbcrhb@4ax.com>  7 On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:40:49 -0800 (PST), Fabio Cardosor! <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:u   >Try >b >www.jobrecruit.co.uke >o# >A lot of OpenVMS jobs in Europe ! s. >There was a position in Surrey another day !   A Ermm Surrey is nowhere near North Wales, Liverpool or Manchester!a  	 >Fabio C.s >u >n >P3 >--- Mike Price <michael_e_price@talk21.com> wrote:d >> Sorry to bother you all BUT >> e5 >> I am looking for a job in the UK - specifically in  >> of near North6 >> Wales, Liverpool or Manchester - or similar. I have >> 20 years experinceg$ >> in IT and at least 9 years on VMS >> l) >> Lots of experience in (amongst others)C! >> VMS system building and tuninga >> DECnet (phase 4 and 5)e >> TCP/IP (UCX as was)6 >> COBOL (including 'techie' programs with lots of QIO >> and simlar system >> services) >> LAT >> DECformsm >> SYSGEN etc etc  >> VAX and Alpha >> and so on >> a5 >> If anyone knows of any jobs that are - or might bes >> available in thesel* >> areas I would be grateful for a message >>   >> a >> Thanks for readingt >> s
 >> Mike Pricec >o >s >===== >==========================r >Fbio dos Santos Cardoso  >OpenVMS System Manager- >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br5 >==========================e >r3 >__________________________________________________r >Do You Yahoo!? ' >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!b" >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/   -- Alan   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:08:59 +0100 (MET)b9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>M/ Subject: Re: VMS person looking for a job in UKa; Message-ID: <01KD7YL9C42G8ZI5GE@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>>  9 > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:40:49 -0800 (PST), Fabio Cardosom# > <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:S >  > > Try> > >f > > www.jobrecruit.co.uk > >b& > > A lot of OpenVMS jobs in Europe ! 1 > > There was a position in Surrey another day ! u > C > Ermm Surrey is nowhere near North Wales, Liverpool or Manchester!    Well, compared to Brazil it is!n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:09:13 GMTo/ From: "Timothy A. Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> K Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: The demC9 Message-ID: <tas-4AA764.01091418012002@netnews.attbi.com>l  . In article <kf422a.l9g.ln@escape.shannon.net>,<  shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix) wrote:  G > No, they are too high.  I don't think the machines are too high, it'se > the small stuff. > E > For example, I want a Mac with SCSI drives.  Their price for a SCSIrM > subsystem and drive is ~4 times what I can get them for myself.  Why shouldi? > I give them well over $1200 for what I can do for under $300?a  H You shouldn't.  So buy the stuff on your own if you can get it for $300.  F By the way -- I would VERY much like to know where you can buy a 72GB E 10,000 RPM drive and Ultra 160 controller for $300.  That being what eH Apple is currently offering for $1150 more than the default 80GB IDE in D their high end PowerMac G4.  In my universe, an Atto UL3S SCSI card F (closest equivalent to the OEM Atto card Apple uses) costs about $300  all on its own.   F $1150 is still too much, especially given that it is a delta from the G price with an 80GB IDE disk, but it is at least in the ballpark (~72GB  F 10kRPM drives cost about $700 so the value of the card+drive is about  $1000).p  G > To make matters worse, I have a very fast controller and drives readytE > for install in a Mac.  But they won't let me buy a computer with nor > drives!  M > F > OK, so I'll order a minimal IDE drive and use it for something else.F > Oh, but they only ship the most large and expensive IDE drives.  Why  > can't I order a 10-20GB drive?  E Because, like all similar vendors, Apple wants to keep the number of a@ different configurations to a minimum.  This gives them maximum 8 flexibility when (not if) they need to switch suppliers.  I You also have to consider the state of the art in the storage industry.  aG Right now, everybody is rolling out IDE drives with a density of 40 GB nI per platter (20 GB per surface).  Therefore, 10GB drives are about to go tF the way of the dodo, and 20GB drives are not much less expensive than D 40GB drives.  In these circumstances it may not make much sense for " Apple to offer a 10 or 20GB drive.  J Furthermore, you can look at the glass as being half empty or half full.  I Try pricing out their high end system.  You can save $200 by downgrading  F from the standard 80GB to 40GB on the dual processor 800 MHz system.  H $200 is more money than an 80GB IDE drive sells for on the open market, % and you still get a 40GB drive.  Win!c  K > It's even worse if you are already a loyal Apple customer.  Let's say you H > have a blue/white G3 system, and you have an Adaptec 2940UW controller > and two fast LVD SCSI drives.  > H > Can you upgrade to a G4 system?  Hell no!  You have to buy an entirelyH > new system, they will not sell you the base system even though you are > already a loyal customer.   F They will sell you a base system quite happily.  It's just that right . now their idea of a base system includes a HD.  G > Why should you have to throw away a modern (maybe better than theirs)SI > SCSI subsystem when you upgrade?  What if you are going to be accessingrE > all of your files from a terrabyte storage archive?  You don't needq2 > a freakin' overpriced 60GB drive in your system!  G Au contraire.  Most people don't boot from terabyte storage archives.   - Having at least some local storage is useful.p  H > Until Apple let's people do things like this, giving them more freedomG > in their hardware purchases, they will always be losing market share.n  F Somehow I doubt this is THE key factor preventing them from achieving  success.  E As a matter of fact, it was during the time when they DID offer such  F freedom that they were hemorrhaging market share -- ISTR they used to I offer no RAM / no HD configurations of the 9500 and 9600, mostly to VARs eH and the like.  Since that time, Apple's marketshare has rebounded a bit ! and AFAIK now seems to be stable.f  E Now, I'm not claiming that offering 0/0 configs was the cause of the -B market share loss.  It's just a demonstration that your claim was  hyperbole at best.  H > I would already own a Mac if they would let me buy one.  It's not justI > price, I simply cannot get what I want from them, even though they makei > exactly what I'm looking for.2  F Say what?  I think you are fooling yourself -- everything you've said  boils down to price objections.:  I After all, what you said you wanted is a Mac with SCSI drives.  So buy a rC Mac with SCSI drives.  You complain that the price of Apple's SCSI tE options is too high.  So buy a Mac without SCSI drives and outfit it eF with some yourself.  You complain that you have to get a minimum of a G 40GB IDE drive in the deal.  But once again this is a price objection; uE you want to get a price break because you don't want the drive.  The eC drive in and of itself does absolutely nothing to prevent you from y accomplishing your goals.    --     Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:56:18 +1300u# From: Bruce Hoult <bruce@hoult.org> K Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: The demh> Message-ID: <bruce-D4A074.23561818012002@news.paradise.net.nz>  F In article <tas-4AA764.01091418012002@netnews.attbi.com>, "Timothy A. $ Seufert" <tas@mindspring.com> wrote:  G > As a matter of fact, it was during the time when they DID offer such iH > freedom that they were hemorrhaging market share -- ISTR they used to K > offer no RAM / no HD configurations of the 9500 and 9600, mostly to VARs dJ > and the like.  Since that time, Apple's marketshare has rebounded a bit # > and AFAIK now seems to be stable.B > G > Now, I'm not claiming that offering 0/0 configs was the cause of the aD > market share loss.  It's just a demonstration that your claim was  > hyperbole at best.  E Long before that.  My first personally-owned computer was a Mac IIcx dI bought with no RAM and no hard disk.  That would have been 1989, I guess.m   -- Bruce   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:33:45 -0800>% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com>e: Subject: [OT / Humor] Things not to do on a *nix system...) Message-ID: <3C485C79.38FF5910@rdrop.com>i  F This is *not* meant to slam the *nix family of O/Ss.  I'm one of thoseH freaks that can see a place for everything and uses Windows and Linux onD the desktop.  But the "humor" of the situation below was too much to pass up.  A A friend who teaches at a local higher-education institution justwF checked in on another list I'm subscribed to.  All their Solaris boxenC are down this morning; details are sketchy, but apparently somebody-E suffered a case of the clevers and thought it would be interesting toaG see what all gets redirected to /dev/null on a *nix box, so he replacedrH /dev/null with a file.  (Obviously, this would make him a system mangler5 of some sort, to have the rights to even attempt it.)   ? Shame he forgot to fix the file permissions on his new improved-A "/dev/null" so that common users could write to it, though... ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jan 2002 11:56:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: [OT / Humor] Things not to do on a *nix system...3 Message-ID: <9XTSu10U8d7M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <3C485C79.38FF5910@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:RH > This is *not* meant to slam the *nix family of O/Ss.  I'm one of thoseJ > freaks that can see a place for everything and uses Windows and Linux onF > the desktop.  But the "humor" of the situation below was too much to
 > pass up. > C > A friend who teaches at a local higher-education institution justCH > checked in on another list I'm subscribed to.  All their Solaris boxenE > are down this morning; details are sketchy, but apparently somebody%G > suffered a case of the clevers and thought it would be interesting to,I > see what all gets redirected to /dev/null on a *nix box, so he replaced.J > /dev/null with a file.  (Obviously, this would make him a system mangler7 > of some sort, to have the rights to even attempt it.)u > A > Shame he forgot to fix the file permissions on his new improved C > "/dev/null" so that common users could write to it, though... ;-)g  > Doing the equivalent on VMS should be straightforward as well, given SYSNAM privilege.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:22:24 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>nB Subject: Re: [Q] Why is there the limit of 8 levels of directories8 Message-ID: <frpf4u4v5hpl603et7a8k3acbcieglp5is@4ax.com>  B On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:29:21 GMT, hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) wrote:  0 >> I would like to know why I cant move between  >> directories using wildcards:n >>   >> $ SET DEF [.FABIOCAR*]- >-7 >Because semantics are not defined for this expression.  >0F >Do you want to set your default to the first directory that satisfies >the wildcard? >s >Or the last one?d    No I'd like $ SET DEF [FABIOCAR?) Options are [FABIOCAR1], [FABIOCAR2], etca $ SET DEF [FABIOCAR>  9 Kermit manages to implement this on VMS more or less. EG:k1 C-Kermit>cd ? Carriage return for home directory,n< or name of directory on this computer, one of the following:;  [.AP]        [.EFTFILE]   [.LOAD]      [.MANDBFMC]  [.MRP]  [.SHARE]:  [.CALOUT]    [.ERROR]     [.MA]        [.MANDBSNP]  [.PL] [.ST]e@  [.CDD]       [.GL]        [.MANDB000]  [.MANDBTLL]  [.PROJECTS] [.SY] >  [.COM]       [.HELP]      [.MANDBABR]  [.MG]        [.SCHEMA] [.TIMER]@  [.DP]        [.LIBRARY]   [.MANDBDP1]  [.MISC]      [.SECURITY]	 [.UPDATE]       M >Do you want to include the wildcard in your actual default directory string? F >(and whatever does THAT mean in terms of opening files in the default) >directory?  For reading and/or writing?)- >-C >Do you want to work iteratively throug all directories that match?i >(and whatever does THAT mean?): >:B >It is possible that you have something quite reasonable in mind, H >but it is doubtful that it can be easily generalized.  You are probablyE >much better off writing a command procedure to do whatever you want.g   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:46:42 +0000s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>vB Subject: Re: [Q] Why is there the limit of 8 levels of directories8 Message-ID: <vqgg4u8ahndq5ruqbhcjmvpeiashsq23u1@4ax.com>  2 On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:23:01 -0500, Atlant Schmidt$ <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:  > >Ask the more-general question of "So How's Command-Completion9 >Coming?" *THAT* is probably the feature you really want.  >a? >I wonder why VMS never implemented this very-frequently-asked-w >for feature???   ? Because it was one of the most frequently asked for features byoE TOPS-20 users. It was one of the "non-goals" listed in the TOPS-20 => ' VMS migration document produced by DEC.-  B On the VAX 11/780 and slower machines there was the argument aboutE adding additional overhead on  a machine about 1/5th the power of theaC KL-10 but, if that argument ever had any real validity, it has long, since been rendered moot.-  E As recent cross-posts have shown (and I've resisted the temptation tolC crosspost this to alt.sys.pdp10) there was a huge amount of badnesseB surrounding the cancellation of the PDP-10 line and DEC really didB piss off numerous customers (and I was one of them at the time) byC effectively insulting TOPS-20 users by just dismissing our requestshE with a wave of the hand. The people in control of VMS at the time andsC in particular Hustvedt (sp?) who seems to be the one singled out bytC BAH (who was in charge of shipping for TOPS-10/20  *and* VMS at theeE time) arrogantly dismissed TOPS-10/TOPS-20 users feature requests. IteB wasn't Cutler whom she described as "having other problems but not that"   C Thus to this date key figures in the IT industry still hate VMS anduA all it stands for. Personally I got over it eventually but things E should never have happened that way. If Compaq or HP cancel VMS I can B guarantee you that in twenty years time, this time around, I stillA won't touch Compaq or HP (or their successors) kit  if I have anyi influence over it.  F The real value in these cross-posts s to understand that history is in danger of repeating itself.d   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:59:47 -0000 / From: Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net>hB Subject: Re: [Q] Why is there the limit of 8 levels of directories/ Message-ID: <u4gokjhen6bjdf@corp.supernews.com>a  . Bob Koehler <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote:2 :> I would like to know why I cant move between=20 :> directories using wildcards:a :> $ SET DEF [.FABIOCAR*]e  G :    Funny, I do it all the time.  Oh, yeah, I modified somebody else's 6 :    SD.COM years ago, just like nearly everyone else.  9 Bob, are you the same guy who thinks it's very painful to.& write a .ksh to get a wildcard rename?   -- l -- Mike Zarlenga   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.034 ************************