0 INFO-VAX	Wed, 23 Jan 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 44      Contents:2 Accessing VMS Index files on VMS Server and client6 Re: Accessing VMS Index files on VMS Server and client# Re: Advanced Server 7.3 - exploded. # Re: Advanced Server 7.3 - exploded. ' Re: Bidirectional parallel port driver?  Re: Big MIME problems  bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Can CMS handle stream-LF?  Re: Can CMS handle stream-LF?  Re: Compaq off to the doctors  Re: Compaq off to the doctors  Re: compiler group= Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... = Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... C Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses C Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses P Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses     allcredi( Re: Configuring Dec net over serial port( Re: Configuring Dec net over serial port! Re: DCL "compiler"? 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I am using a VMS F system as an NFS server and mounting in from another VMS system actingF as an NFS client. When I create an index file on the server everything works correctly, and I see :-    $ dir/full dirreg.dat    Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SARS]  2 DIRREG.DAT;1                  File ID:  (7436,3,0)1 Size:           26/26         Owner:    [600,600] " Created:   22-JAN-2002 16:53:48.86& Revised:   22-JAN-2002 16:53:48.96 (1) Expires:   <None specified>  Backup:    <No backup recorded>  Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified> 3 File organization:  Indexed, Prolog: 3, Using 1 key  Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughE File attributes:    Allocation: 26, Extend: 0, Maximum bucket size: 2 <                     Global buffer count: 0, No version limit0 Record format:      Fixed length 92 byte records4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: NoneC File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 26/26 blocks.  9 If I now go to the client, and do the same thing I see :-    $ set def dnfs2:[sars] $ dir/full dirreg.dat    Directory DNFS2:[SARS]  3 DIRREG.DAT;1                  File ID:  (33,2090,0) 1 Size:           26/26         Owner:    [DEFAULT] " Created:   22-JAN-2002 16:53:48.86& Revised:   22-JAN-2002 16:53:57.65 (1) Expires:   <None specified>  Backup:    <No backup recorded>  Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>  File organization:  Indexed  Shelved state:      Online, Caching attribute:  Unknown caching value: 0E File attributes:    Allocation: 26, Extend: 0, Maximum bucket size: 2 <                     Global buffer count: 0, No version limit0 Record format:      Fixed length 92 byte records4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: NoneC File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 26/26 blocks. $   > For some reason this does not reflect the Prolog 3 using 1 key attributes.    Any ideas ?    Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:44:51 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ? Subject: Re: Accessing VMS Index files on VMS Server and client 2 Message-ID: <3C4EF693.FCC4D292@firstdbasource.com>   Andrew Rycroft wrote:  >  > Hi,  > C > I am running OpenVMS v7.2-1 with UCX v5.0a eco3. I am using a VMS H > system as an NFS server and mounting in from another VMS system actingH > as an NFS client. When I create an index file on the server everything  H I have a real silly question...  WHY in the world would anyone do such aE thing.. especially if DECNET is running.  much simpler to use a proxy @ and access it as NODE::DEV:[DIR] or a logical that points to it.   <stuff snipped>  >Any ideas ?  F Yes.  Does the application that reads/writes these indexed values work: correctly?  If so, what it reports is [mostly] irrelevant.   >  > Thanks > Andrew   --     Regards,  > Michael Austin -- Available for Remote SYS/Database/WEB Admin.7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com  President/Sr.Consultant  704-947-1089 (Office)    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 06:57:08 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) , Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3 - exploded.= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0201230657.79797bfd@posting.google.com>   n "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerNOSP@MCompaq.com> wrote in message news:<Ujm38.330$PZ4.7282@news.cpqcorp.net>...K > Try a couple things, to see how healthy you are.  Try showing all groups. F > Try showing all users, /FULL.  Do either of those commands cause youN > problems?  If not, so far, so good.  Now, try to find a share that was owned  D The show users did not work when I first noticed the problem (at theB time I did not try the show groups), after my clean up this is now5 fully functional along with show groups (both /FULL).   J > by, or has specific permissions for one of those formerly corrupt users.G > Not a new share or resource, but an old one, with the old permissions J > on it. Try to access it from some non-priv'd user.  Anything bad happen?B > (If I wasn't clear, I want the server to try to resolve security1 > associated with one of those bad user objects).   D The configuration I have has a hostmap for each Advanced Server userE to an existing OpenVMS account (set EXTAUTH) and a share which is the = login directory for the account. I recreated the hostmaps and C shares for the AWOL accounts at the same time as the accounts. It's - a simple single share per account type setup.   B I'm at home at the moment (I can only mess with my Advanced ServerC in question late at night - using an SSH session to the OpenVMS box 8 as SAMCHECK and BLOBADM need Advanced Server shut down).  @ Using a VNC session from my OpenVMS box here at home to a WindowA 2000 box at work to test this now (The Advanced Server is the PDC 0 for domain ALPHA, and is the computer TEACHING).  2 C:\> net use o: \\teaching\cdrom /user:alpha\guest: The password or user name is invalid for \\teaching\cdrom.  ' Type the password for \\teaching\cdrom:   < Now try with the correct information, and _you are NOT goingD to believe this_ !!, actually you probably are, the same Window 2000? box I just executed the following command on CRASHED! just now:   2 C:\> net use o: \\teaching\cdrom /user:alpha\cdrom  < Therefore no response, so, I tried it on another NT 4 box in another VNC session:  2 D:\> net use o: \\teaching\cdrom /user:alpha\cdrom: The password or user name is invalid for \\teaching\cdrom.  8 Type the password for \\teaching\cdrom: <password typed># The command completed successfully.    D:\>o: O:\>  ; The Window 2000 box is back again now, it has the following B to say for itself: "The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The= bugcheck was: 0x0000000a (0x00000060, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, B 0x8042db1e). Microsoft Window 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP."   D As to "Did anything bad happen" - to the Window 2000 box, who reallyB cares? - it's expected - normal - not my problem - I don't serviceC crashed user PCs. Nothing "bad" happened to the Advanced Server end  so that test is fine by me.   1 > It is also possible that everything will be OK.   E I'm suspecting that I'm down to two bogus pieces of the previous AWOL ! accounts that should be removed:    ; The user object, RID 1233, was not found in the hash table. , A hash entry listed the wrong ID for a user.; The user object, RID 1059, was not found in the hash table. , A hash entry listed the wrong ID for a user.' User 1233 is not a member of Group 513. ' User 1059 is not a member of Group 513.   E (ie: I managed to get rid of the ID 1233 and ID 1059 objects, but not  yet the RID objects)   F If there is a documented (or not documented) procedure to remove these3 two??, I suspect that is all that I now need to do.   = 1233 and 1059 belong to the AWOL cdrom and infs1603 accounts:    H mc pwrk$samcheck -a  ...                  UserId:  1233                  Buffer:  CDROM                   UserId:  1059 !                 Buffer:  INFS1603   % Where as the new/active CDROM is now:                    UserId:  1385    and the INFS1603 is:                   UserId:  1384   A Thanks again! Actually I think Advanced Server does a really good A job considering what potentially and actually talk to it from the  user end (cringe).  D Still it would be nice to have documented procedures to troubleshoot@ and fix the SAM database. I'm sure most people on this newsgroup? could troubleshoot/fix this with minimal documented information 
 and tools.   Many thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:00:23 -0000 + From: "Tim Jackson" <tim.jackson@amsjv.com> , Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3 - exploded.& Message-ID: <3c4eec2c$1@pull.gecm.com>   Patrick,  C I don't know if this has any relevance to your problems but are you F aware of the bug in AS V7.3 regarding Advanced Server user names beingH limited to a maximum of 15 characters (when used with hostmap).  I'm not2 aware of any SAM problems with this but who knows?  ? There should be an ECO 1 for AS V7.3 soon which fixes that bug.    HTH D ------------------ Purely Personal Opinion -------------------------D Tim Jackson                                    tim.jackson@amsjv.com Air Systems Group  Alenia Marconi Systems Ltd.   6 "Patrick Young" <P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message7 news:55f85d77.0201230657.79797bfd@posting.google.com... B > "Brad McCusker" <Brad.McCuskerNOSP@MCompaq.com> wrote in message- news:<Ujm38.330$PZ4.7282@news.cpqcorp.net>... E > > Try a couple things, to see how healthy you are.  Try showing all  groups. H > > Try showing all users, /FULL.  Do either of those commands cause youF > > problems?  If not, so far, so good.  Now, try to find a share that	 was owned  > F > The show users did not work when I first noticed the problem (at theD > time I did not try the show groups), after my clean up this is now7 > fully functional along with show groups (both /FULL).  > E > > by, or has specific permissions for one of those formerly corrupt  users.= > > Not a new share or resource, but an old one, with the old  permissions D > > on it. Try to access it from some non-priv'd user.  Anything bad happen? D > > (If I wasn't clear, I want the server to try to resolve security3 > > associated with one of those bad user objects).  > F > The configuration I have has a hostmap for each Advanced Server userG > to an existing OpenVMS account (set EXTAUTH) and a share which is the ? > login directory for the account. I recreated the hostmaps and E > shares for the AWOL accounts at the same time as the accounts. It's / > a simple single share per account type setup.  > D > I'm at home at the moment (I can only mess with my Advanced ServerE > in question late at night - using an SSH session to the OpenVMS box : > as SAMCHECK and BLOBADM need Advanced Server shut down). > B > Using a VNC session from my OpenVMS box here at home to a WindowC > 2000 box at work to test this now (The Advanced Server is the PDC 2 > for domain ALPHA, and is the computer TEACHING). > 4 > C:\> net use o: \\teaching\cdrom /user:alpha\guest< > The password or user name is invalid for \\teaching\cdrom. > ) > Type the password for \\teaching\cdrom:  > > > Now try with the correct information, and _you are NOT goingF > to believe this_ !!, actually you probably are, the same Window 2000A > box I just executed the following command on CRASHED! just now:  > 4 > C:\> net use o: \\teaching\cdrom /user:alpha\cdrom >d> > Therefore no response, so, I tried it on another NT 4 box in > another VNC session: >a4 > D:\> net use o: \\teaching\cdrom /user:alpha\cdrom< > The password or user name is invalid for \\teaching\cdrom. >s: > Type the password for \\teaching\cdrom: <password typed>% > The command completed successfully.o >r > D:\>o: > O:\> >p= > The Window 2000 box is back again now, it has the following D > to say for itself: "The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. The? > bugcheck was: 0x0000000a (0x00000060, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, D > 0x8042db1e). Microsoft Window 2000 [v15.2195]. A dump was saved in > C:\WINNT\MEMORY.DMP."R >GF > As to "Did anything bad happen" - to the Window 2000 box, who reallyD > cares? - it's expected - normal - not my problem - I don't serviceE > crashed user PCs. Nothing "bad" happened to the Advanced Server end* > so that test is fine by me.n >n3 > > It is also possible that everything will be OK.S >eG > I'm suspecting that I'm down to two bogus pieces of the previous AWOL " > accounts that should be removed: >r= > The user object, RID 1233, was not found in the hash table.u. > A hash entry listed the wrong ID for a user.= > The user object, RID 1059, was not found in the hash table.s. > A hash entry listed the wrong ID for a user.) > User 1233 is not a member of Group 513.y) > User 1059 is not a member of Group 513.c >vG > (ie: I managed to get rid of the ID 1233 and ID 1059 objects, but not  > yet the RID objects) >sH > If there is a documented (or not documented) procedure to remove these5 > two??, I suspect that is all that I now need to do.i >i? > 1233 and 1059 belong to the AWOL cdrom and infs1603 accounts:t >" > H mc pwrk$samcheck -ae > ...o >                 UserId:  1233   >                 Buffer:  CDROM >  >                 UserId:  1059i# >                 Buffer:  INFS1603L >.' > Where as the new/active CDROM is now:a >  >                 UserId:  1385S >n > and the INFS1603 is: >  >                 UserId:  1384t >.C > Thanks again! Actually I think Advanced Server does a really good C > job considering what potentially and actually talk to it from theM > user end (cringe). >pF > Still it would be nice to have documented procedures to troubleshootB > and fix the SAM database. I'm sure most people on this newsgroupA > could troubleshoot/fix this with minimal documented informations > and tools. >e > Many thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:21:51 -0500 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>o0 Subject: Re: Bidirectional parallel port driver?+ Message-ID: <3C4EC6FF.5DDEE4C1@hsc.vcu.edu>r  B I've used the Black Box stuff, and it works quite well...  Lots ofG internal jumpers, so you may really be able to do more than you think.  = Ours went walkabout long ago, so can't really say much.  it'sS4 www.blackbox.com, and you can make a free tech call.  2 i'm not associated, and they are pricey, but good.   j.   Chuck Chopp wrote: >  > "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:e > J > > The OpenVMS driver for the parallel port is unidirectional.  DIRECTORYH > > SYS$EXAMPLES:LRDRIVER and you will see a driver example based on the > > parallel port driver.4 > > & > > "Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)" wrote: > > >l > > > Hello,O > > >   I inheritted a lab device which connects to the parallel port and workseU > > > bidirectionaly. On a PC it works, but on VMS the read QIO fails on the parallel M > > > device driver (LRA0). Any idea about a parallel port driver which is bihS > > > directional? If not, where can I find an LP driver source which I can modify?s > > > E > > >                                               Thanks! __Yehavi:e > >e > > --J > > Jilly   - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NYN > >         - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanN > >         - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com                        - since 1975 or so7 > >         - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -n > P > BlackBox makes some serial->parallel and parallel-serial converters.  I've notV > checked for certain, but they have have a converter that is fully bidirectional.  IfT > they do, you could just hook it up to a serial port and use standard terminal $QIOT > calls to read/write data.  Doing anything "special" with the parallel port controlM > signals would be out of the question in that case, but it still might work.x >  > --
 > Chuck Chopp  > : > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 774 0718 pager9 >                                   8007740718@skytel.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:34:34 -0000i4 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: Big MIME problemsB Message-ID: <1011789046.14473.0.nnrp-01.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  L "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3C4DF016.6080206@home.nl...G > We have discovered a big problem with MIME, and that is applicable toc/ > MIME V1.4 (VMS 7.2-1 and MIME V1.5 (VMS 7.3).- >-B > MIME is used in a commandfile to send bulk e-mail to customers..  L I haven't tried mime for a while, but I never got anywhere with it in batch.I We use munpack to unpack stuff, and simple home grown stuff to pack stuff6 up.f   Christ   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:12:56 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e" Subject: bkjfn is an English word?3 Message-ID: <fW75ykHY6RYt@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  G    "bkjfn"  OK, so what is this, and how did it get into the 50000 wordl/    dictionary that set password checks against?    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2002 16:15:54 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)-& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?0 Message-ID: <a2mnjq$ha0$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  c In article <fW75ykHY6RYt@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:z >oH >   "bkjfn"  OK, so what is this, and how did it get into the 50000 word0 >   dictionary that set password checks against?  O Are you sure that it is in this dictionary? It might be that it is the passwordo; of someone else and that it is not allowed for that reason.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmanna  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 02:36:37 -08001 From: anders_wallin@altavista.com (Anders Wallin)e" Subject: Can CMS handle stream-LF?; Message-ID: <6cc41c7.0201230236.5b598f6@posting.google.com>:   Hi!s  I We are developing C-based applications on VMS that also shall run on Unix H (Solaris). The source code resides in CMS on VMS disks that also are NFS mounted to a Unix machine.  3 VMS is 7.2 or later, CMS is 4.0, decc V6.0, NFS 5.0v  M The source code is compiled by the unix C-compiler to generate Unix programs.:N The compilation is a slow process due to the C programs not being in stream-LF4 format. They are in "normal" variable length format.  L One solution might be to convert the source code into stream-LF and store it in that format in CMS.  9 1) Does anyone have any experience with stream-LF in CMS?3  > 2) Any problems reserving a file in variable record format and<    replacing it in stream-LF? There will be generations with*    different formats for the same element.  I 3) Problems doing differences in CMS between stream-LF and non stream-LF?i   4) CMS VERIFY, ANNOTATE ???4  ) 4) Any problems with DECC with stream-LF?o   Thanks for any hints.   
 Anders WallinS   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:33:07 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i& Subject: Re: Can CMS handle stream-LF?3 Message-ID: <Qp7qjgOXOM1+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <6cc41c7.0201230236.5b598f6@posting.google.com>, anders_wallin@altavista.com (Anders Wallin) writes:t  ; > 1) Does anyone have any experience with stream-LF in CMS?h  D    Yes.  Tons of Java code in CMS.  Some in variable length, most inB    stream-lf, some have changed from variable length to stream-lf.  @ > 2) Any problems reserving a file in variable record format and> >    replacing it in stream-LF? There will be generations with, >    different formats for the same element.  C    No problem.  RMS knows what it's doing.  CMS sits on top of RMS.-  K > 3) Problems doing differences in CMS between stream-LF and non stream-LF?-      No problem.    w > 4) CMS VERIFY, ANNOTATE ???c      No problem.  + > 4) Any problems with DECC with stream-LF?1  H    No problem.  RMS knows what it's doing.  DEC C library sits on top of    RMS.m   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 02:47:56 -08006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)& Subject: Re: Compaq off to the doctors= Message-ID: <58ba0101.0201230247.5c16f74c@posting.google.com>I  n John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message news:<3C4DE3B8.D3E8B823@swissonline.delete.ch>...J > I noticed this today in Yahoo's news about Compaq.  It actually mentions > OpenVMS !w > F > The "blah"s are mine.  :>)   and yes, it was spelt as "Open VMS" not > "OpenVMS". >  >  > John >  > -------------------------o >  > I > HOUSTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Moving the IT data center oftG > an entire hospital system is never an easy job. When Baptist MemorialnJ > Health Care Corp. in Memphis, Tennessee decided to re-locate to its new,H > state-of-the-art East Memphis location, the health care organization'sI > IT staff recognized that the process would require skill and precision.a > J > After evaluating all of the leading enterprise vendors, Baptist selectedC > Compaq Computer Corporation (NYSE: CPQ - news) for its $5 milliontE > investment in a new information technology system that consolidates F > hospital and medical group systems for greater efficiency and easier > expansion. > G > Blah, blah, blah ? wanted to replace technology that was more than 10  > years old? > I > The backbone of the system is a new Compaq SAN-based enterprise storagebF > network that will allow Baptist to build out its IT infrastructure ? > blah, blah, blah >  > J > ``The architecture of our StorageWorks system allows Baptist to make the@ > most of the resources they have, hardware as well as software.F > Modularity and scalability are core benefits of our strategy?. Blah, > blah, blah >  > I > blah, blah, blah ?" We considered proposals from several providers, andu > I > we found that Compaq could provide the best technology and performance,e1 > as well as the most cost-effective solutions.''o >  > Blah, blah, blah?o > E > Compaq and Pomeroy developed the fault-tolerant solution for moving/F > Baptist Healthcare into a high-end SAN enterprise environment, whichH > includes three TB of storage and over 64 servers. Part of this processJ > was the integration of Compaq solutions including: ProLiant Windows 2000I > servers, ProLiant Netware servers, Open VMS Alpha Server GS systems ando> > StorageWorks Fibre Channel SAN and SAN-based tape libraries. >  >  > Blah, blah, blah >  > About Baptist ?. >  > About Compaq ?. etc      Hi,   < Do you have a web link to this article. I could not find it.   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:26:07 +0100t1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>t& Subject: Re: Compaq off to the doctors5 Message-ID: <3C4F003F.1339A4BB@swissonline.delete.ch>n   Andrew Rycroft wrote:p > p > John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message news:<3C4DE3B8.D3E8B823@swissonline.delete.ch>...L > > I noticed this today in Yahoo's news about Compaq.  It actually mentions
 > > OpenVMS !h > >r   ....   > >5K > > HOUSTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Moving the IT data center ofuI > > an entire hospital system is never an easy job. When Baptist MemorialfL > > Health Care Corp. in Memphis, Tennessee decided to re-locate to its new,J > > state-of-the-art East Memphis location, the health care organization'sK > > IT staff recognized that the process would require skill and precision.t   .....    > Hi,1 > > > Do you have a web link to this article. I could not find it. >  > Thanks > Andrew  H What a sad admission !  You mean that you don't have a bookmark/favorite link to Compaq's newsroom ??  ( It's at http://www6.compaq.com/newsroom/  F Warning - right now you will find the smiling face of Michael CapellasA who is annoucing Q4 2001 results.  (He's only smiling because hisiA substantial holding of stocks in the company has actually stoppedi freefall and is climbing.)     John McL   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:11:31 +0100 (MET)l9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h Subject: Re: compiler groupo; Message-ID: <01KDF03I9G3C8ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > As a matter of interest are there any new standards about to be produced@ > in the next couple of years eg Cobol 2003, Fortran 2005 etc ?   B I think Fortran 2002 is planned, and is to be a Major Upgrade (as 7 opposed to Fortran 95).  It might have slipped to 2003.v  D A lot of financial places run VMS, and a lot of cobol code is still D around, so I would be very surprised if Compaq doesn't keep up with 0 cobol on any platform they have not yet retired.  I As for Fortran, it is still big in the scientific world, but as a result 7F of DEC dropping academia, VMS doesn't have the position in science it 	 once did.-  H There has never been even Fortran90 for VAX.  I think this was OK since H by the time the standard was out, ALPHAs were already around.  It seems A to me that Fortran 2002 for ALPHA would be a must, but that will .D probably be the last version (apart, perhaps, from some maintenance 	 patches).M  G I hope not only that there will be a good Itanium Fortran compiler but  H also that the interaction with the debugger (part of VMS) will continue  to be as good as it has been.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:29:44 +0100s/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>aF Subject: Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ...6 Message-ID: <00A0879A.7B91B69C.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Steve Lionel wrote:aF > > For OpenVMS IA64, Intel and Compaq are jointly developing compilerJ > > products and these would continue to have new releases as scheduled byD > > Compaq. It is not intended to be a "one-shot".  Intel and CompaqE > > engineers would be working together to create these releases, the # > > details again vary by language.y > N > Is it fair to state then that over time, having a common code base for AlphaN > and IA64 will become increasingly difficult due to the evolving compilert on0 > one platform and the mature one on the other ?  J Shouldn't be, at least as long as the language standard remains unaltered.  F A compiler is a tool for taking source code and generating binary codeE for a particular platform that functions as described by the source. eE Any failure to do so is a bug, plain and simple. A mature compiler is > one where most of the bugs have already been found and fixed!   E Where big trouble starts is if ANSI (or whoever controls the languager= standard) creates a new version of the language, and only thetK compiler for the new platform that gets upgraded to compile the extensions,t, and programmers start using the extensions.    	Yours,c
 		Nigel Arnota- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   f  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."g   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:39:56 +0000 (UTC)o From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukF Subject: Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ...+ Message-ID: <a2mhvs$ift$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>t  h In article <00A0879A.7B91B69C.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes: >  >JF Mezei wrote: >>   >> Steve Lionel wrote: >cF >Where big trouble starts is if ANSI (or whoever controls the language> >standard) creates a new version of the language, and only theL >compiler for the new platform that gets upgraded to compile the extensions,- >and programmers start using the extensions. , >   O As a matter of interest are there any new standards about to be produced in the.6 next couple of years eg Cobol 2003, Fortran 2005 etc ?  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:31:19 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)yL Subject: Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses3 Message-ID: <biL9aH2yam9j@eisner.encompasserve.org>S  c In article <3C4D9E48.D7CFE573@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:e. > Hm, "over time" there will not be any Alpha.1 > So it more or less depends on the definition ofb > "over time", I suppose...j  9    Just ask anyone waiting for Fortran 95 for their KL10.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:26:56 +0000u% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>lL Subject: Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses8 Message-ID: <muot4usse4aoqo5r09colqjt6ulu66gvtj@4ax.com>  F On 23 Jan 2002 08:31:19 -0600, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  d >In article <3C4D9E48.D7CFE573@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:/ >> Hm, "over time" there will not be any Alpha.12 >> So it more or less depends on the definition of >> "over time", I suppose... > : >   Just ask anyone waiting for Fortran 95 for their KL10.  B You mean Steve Lionel isn't working on an Intel Fortran 95 for the. KL-10 in his spare time. I am disappointed ;-)  E Out of nothing more than curiosity did VAX Fortran and PDP-10 FortranS' ever share any common code anyone know?1 -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:36:40 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Y Subject: Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses     allcredi 3 Message-ID: <Q+MLwin0Uu$5@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  f In article <rkcr4ukqna9rltqjvn250t02sdolm2ears@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes: > E > Well, some compilers won't have a common code base between IA64 anda1 > Alpha, so for them, the question is irrelevant.e  A    I believe the question is more relavent to the VMS source thane0    the compiler source.  Or to our applications.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 02:36:14 -0800- From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell)d1 Subject: Re: Configuring Dec net over serial porta= Message-ID: <9f261edc.0201230236.2299f5b7@posting.google.com>   z Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl> wrote in message news:<3C4D5D4B.7B28A95C@contrastmediagroep.nl>...H > I seem to remember that with DECnet IV DDCMP is only supported on VAX.  > From my scribbled notes from a DECnet/OSI (ie Phase V) course, 13-Feb-1996:   <<<Asynchronous DECnet - VAX only! (DDCMP ONLY)* - Only in 'advanced' mode of NET$CONFIGUREE - Before running NET$CONFIGURE, know which terminal & speed to use>>>   > Therefore, I think Oswald's right although we seem to remember, different versions of DECnet being VAX-only.  C BTW, that course was the last one run in the UK by Digital LearningcC Services. The instructor was running the same course the next week,u* but would be employed by Global Knowledge.  E Is serial DECnet your only option? If you're just transferring files,-" can't you use Kermit or something?  
 HTH. Regards.r   Chris Bardell.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:22:59 -0500o% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>p1 Subject: Re: Configuring Dec net over serial port , Message-ID: <3C4EAB22.7FF1CCED@videotron.ca>   Chris Bardell wrote: > - VAX only! (DDCMP ONLY), > - Only in 'advanced' mode of NET$CONFIGUREG > - Before running NET$CONFIGURE, know which terminal & speed to use>>>t  I What about if the alpha is running the good old decnet-4 ? Would DDCMP ben available ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:09:46 +0100 (MET)t9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s* Subject: Re: DCL "compiler"? (not checker); Message-ID: <01KDEY291UDU8Y566K@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>w  F > Yes, there once was a DCL to Fortran translator. Trouble is, Fortran& > doesn't ship with every VMS distro.    Granted.  " > (MACRO32 does) and the resultingE > program, once compiled and LINKed, required a proprietary RTL which8$ > served as the licensing mechanism.  E I'm pretty sure that the Fortran (and most other) RTLs are there and eA that on a machine with no compilers linked programs will run---nonF license issue at all---as long, of course, that they were compiled and linked elsewhere.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:50:25 +0000 (UTC)F, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c0m>< Subject: Re: DECdtm DTI$S_PART_NAME should be (no *IS*) 255!. Message-ID: <a2ltge$ni$1@paris.btinternet.com>   Hi Jim,i   Thanks for replying.  0 >and unless the participant size limit proves toD >be a killer for someone doing something like that for a popular 2PC? >protocol/api, I don't realistically see it getting a very highf	 >priority   L Simply stated, without this functionality I'm dead in the water. I too don'tJ want to go into to much detail in this forum as to what I plan to stick inK the participant name and what it will be used for. (I'm sure you've already $ worked it out but others won't have)  D >I suspect most of those will be building interoperability gateways. >That can now be done   D Yes that can be done now but not with the performance, transparency,I manageability and reduced footprint that is achievable with a new $getdti$G item code/flag. (In my version 1.0 developers will only be able to joine  transactions, not initiate them)  C Should I mail you and Rick McLaughlin directly with a more detailed B explanation/justification for this change or are there more formal procedures required?  H I'm not going to badger with how easy and quick it would be to make thisK change. This simple fact is I don't know and you do but given the nature ofCJ the change required and the fact that that the $getdti/$setdti bits appearI to live in a seperate shareable then, as you've already pointed out, it's4 not rocket science.m  B >Aside from the time it would take to get this change out into the >customer hands,  G I know you've got a whole lot of regression testing to do but would you,# really have to get Oracle involved?   # How about a Christmas release date?m  G >First, thanks for your appreciation for the EFT kit and documentation.-E >I'm glad that someone has taken the trouble to download and read it.t  L Has take up been disappointing? I know of one very large French company thatI was gagging for a Tuxedo XA interface to Rdb not so long ago. Could be ane/ ideal reference site? Paris in the Spring time?   D And please don't forget the branch management services! These shouldI *always* have been released with the other public system services. I have0I some Cobol (yes that is what your customers use!) examples of transactioneH propagation, one a DECnet task-to-task and the other a sub-process. BothL updating Rdb in parrallel and both examples very small. They're yours if you
 want them.  K There was this guy in the Rdb list server that had a transaction spanning amK combination of 40 Rdb tables and RMS files. I suggested some load balancing)G followed by mutli-processing and gave hime the examples but never heardg2 back. If you would like his name then let me know.   Cheers Richard  I PS. $*_rm seem to let me put in 256 characters (as per the old functional-L spec) but LMCP seems to have trouble dumping over 128 and its hex dump seemsI to want somewhere around a hundred? The best you can will be good enough.-  
 Jim wrote:  F First, thanks for your appreciation for the EFT kit and documentation.D I'm glad that someone has taken the trouble to download and read it.  D Now, for the rest of this, I do have to consider what I say in lightC of a) things I've signed, b) things Software Exploration may or mayrA not wish to do with Compaq in the future, and c) the fact that ite ain't my product...Y    A The restriction on the participant name reflects the maximum sizerF fully supported by DECdtm.  As you noted, there is some latent support@ for longer names in there, but you should consider it just that.= Specifically, as you noticed, that support does not extend tof	 recovery.a  @ You noted that you can see the longer names using LMCP.  That isD because, in these cases, LMCP accesses the log directly.  It does soF for reasons both historical (it was built simultaneously with $GETDTI)B and practical (it needs to work under conditions where the log may$ have seen some level of corruption).  B Finally, there's the question of whether or not the latent supportD could be completed.  As software is, by it's very nature, soft, then? yes, it could.  Personally, I might even find it a smallish andR@ localized change.  However, it would require changing a core VMSF component, and would therefore need to go through a much more involved? process than the XA work did (as that was layered upon existing. components).  A Aside from the time it would take to get this change out into thepB customer hands, the real issue is one of priority.  The reality isE that relatively few people will use the DECdtm services directly, and-C I suspect most of those will be building interoperability gateways. E That can now be done, and unless the participant size limit proves tobC be a killer for someone doing something like that for a popular 2PCe> protocol/api, I don't realistically see it getting a very high@ priority.  However, that is a strictly personal opinion, and the0 decision is not, and should not be, in my hands.   Jim.      8 On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:20:45 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Maher"" <maher_rj@notsohotmail.com> wrote:   >Hi, >CB >In the OpenVMS DECdtm Services Reference Manual V2.0 6-Jun-01 TheK >Revision History for Jun 6th it continues "Reduce the size of part_name togE >match dti$t_part_name". This was clearly a mistake! What should haven changedp> >is dti$s_part_name and dti$t_part_log_id and so on and so on. >kK >Ok I know this is not possible because it would break existing code so canhI >we _please_ have either a new item code like dti$_txn_info_full or a newl@ >flag dti$m_search_verbose or dti$m_full_part_name or dti$m_v21? >pK >Only the output list need change. It's fair to say that different productswH >should have part_names unique within the first 32 characters so current >input wildcarding can prevail.  >hK >It's only $getdti that needs to change. I am reliably informed that it's adK >particularly nasty piece of code, and the current DECdtm developers appearsK >loath to touch any of the underlying services but you know it makes sense?q >dF >How can $join_rm currently let me enter > 32 byte part_names and LMCPI >happily display them if there was a serious restriction? Surely this haseG >always been a buglet with $getdti that can't be fixed directly (upwardrJ >compatibility - I always said that you released the API documentation too- >soon :-) but a new item code has to be easy!y >mI >I don't wish to appear ungrateful! The System Service API docs have been F >made publicly available and XA compliance has been introduced. Please acceptH >my sincere and heartfelt thanks! But I'm begging ya for this (probably) last >(probably) little thing.- >-D >If Jim and crew have moved on to something else I know someone withD >experience in debuging $getdti who might be interested in doing it. > J >If the answer is no then is there another API for getting at the txn log?. >The truth and the real part_name is in there! >. >Regards Richard Maher.: >4 >B >3 >8 >s >s >i >d   Jim Johnson  Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)o   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:19:38 -0800' From: steve.esson@esa.int (hieronymous)t- Subject: disk sharing between windows and VMSa= Message-ID: <fe9697fd.0201230819.42e971a1@posting.google.com>m  B Advanced Server works great for sharing VMS space with windows but5 what is the best way to use a windows share from VMS?    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2002 17:56:26 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com>u1 Subject: Re: disk sharing between windows and VMSi0 Message-ID: <a2mtga$498@dispatch.concentric.net>  3 A way to use it is with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMSi NFS  which comes with OpenVMS.s   e.g.: $TCPIP  MOUNT  NFS1:  XXXX  XXXX /GID="-2"/UID="-2"/SYSTEM /HOST="hostName" -L  /PATH="X:\folderDirectoryName" /BACKGROUND=(DEL:00:01:00,RET:20) /RETRIES=4  % Jim Strehlow, Data911 Systems Managerk Alameda, CAa  4 "hieronymous" <steve.esson@esa.int> wrote in message7 news:fe9697fd.0201230819.42e971a1@posting.google.com...,D > Advanced Server works great for sharing VMS space with windows but7 > what is the best way to use a windows share from VMS?e   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:53:08 -0800 (PST)t. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>1 Subject: Re: disk sharing between windows and VMS,@ Message-ID: <20020123175308.13403.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>   Please  # Tell me if you find this "product". ' May be using a hardware: EMC Symmetrix. 2 I dont know if they have a software to share files/ between NT and VMS as they have for Unix x MVS.i   Regardse   FC=20 , --- hieronymous <steve.esson@esa.int> wrote:3 > Advanced Server works great for sharing VMS spacee > with windows but2 > what is the best way to use a windows share from VMS?     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DiL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dw F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - BrazilI fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3Dp  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/a   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 07:12:03 -0800& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)% Subject: Re: DS20 license value error9= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0201230712.6d4d71f4@posting.google.com>u  @ There is no SMP license, nor any other on the system that should? provide that service, or additional units towards VMS; only thez? OPENVMS-ALPHA and the OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER PAKs are installed (ore available).a   Rich Jordanl  g "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in message news:<u4s2sn9tiek82c@news.supernews.com>...i1 > What abou the SMP license - is that loaded ????q > DT >  > -- > David Turner > 3 > Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in messagei9 > news:cc5619f2.0201221439.288678eb@posting.google.com...vG > > I'm working on a DS20e 6/500 with dual processors, VMS V7.2-1, witheE > > HSZ70 attached storage.  No cluster, no other VMS systems onsite.t > >t	 > > .....tF > > Are these two licenses combining to make things work?  If so, justE > > wondering why I get the startup error at all.  This is a correct,eB > > supported system purchased from Compaq directly, and the salesA > > documentation  backs up the PAKs that were included.  Thanks!m > >A > > Rich Jordani   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:43:23 -0500 - From: "www.islandco.com" <sales@islandco.com>o% Subject: Re: DS20 license value errore/ Message-ID: <u4tmbpagmtbh36@news.supernews.com>r    I think that's your problem then   Davido  3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message 7 news:cc5619f2.0201230712.6d4d71f4@posting.google.com...HB > There is no SMP license, nor any other on the system that shouldA > provide that service, or additional units towards VMS; only theeA > OPENVMS-ALPHA and the OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER PAKs are installed (ork
 > available).c >i
 > Rich Jordan  > = > "Island Computers" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in messagei+ news:<u4s2sn9tiek82c@news.supernews.com>...93 > > What abou the SMP license - is that loaded ????l > > DT > >> > > -- > > David Turner > > 5 > > Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in messagea; > > news:cc5619f2.0201221439.288678eb@posting.google.com...cI > > > I'm working on a DS20e 6/500 with dual processors, VMS V7.2-1, withlG > > > HSZ70 attached storage.  No cluster, no other VMS systems onsite.a > > >g > > > .....nH > > > Are these two licenses combining to make things work?  If so, justG > > > wondering why I get the startup error at all.  This is a correct,?D > > > supported system purchased from Compaq directly, and the salesC > > > documentation  backs up the PAKs that were included.  Thanks!  > > >o > > > Rich Jordan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:20:28 -0500s( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!, Message-ID: <3C4ED4BC.8070102@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  <  > "David L. Cathey" <davidc@montagar.com> wrote in message 7 news:e565ed03.0201211947.285814f2@posting.google.com...p  >    >9  >> "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messaget    >L  >> I've heard what I've heard.  There are some people here that have pissed  >>  off people at Compaq.  >>   >G  > Given the degree to which Compaq has screwed some of them, I suspect >  >  that they may not have a great deal of remorse about that.  >%  > This is NOT how you work together.s    B In general the stated and apparent purpose of most posters on thisC subject are not interested 'pissing off' people at Compaq, and more,F specifically not interested in doing so with the VMS people at Compaq.  D Some perceived grossly incompetent moves, from certain perspectives,H have come out of Compaq upper management, and showing concern about suchD has been seen by some as pissing people off.  Note that there was noB 'working together' to make such decisions.  The alternative of notH commenting on things that are perceived to be 'wrong' is to say nothing,? which has historically proved to be in itself a 'bad decision'.0    C  > Indeed.  But 'working together' has for many years been the goaliC  > only of VMS's external supporters, not of VMS's owners.  After ad>  > long enough period of trying to 'work together' and failingD  > utterly, people tend to get the idea that a different approach is  > required.  >  > You don't  >B  >> productively engage people by inventing conspiracy theories of>  >> Compaq management covertly plotting the demise of OpenVMS.  E Well, according to the then manager of the VMS product, VMS was very eF close to being cancelled several years ago.  There is no inventing of I the idea by Compaq upper management to plot the demise of VMS, this is a eH stated fact, unless you choose not to believe this manager, whom I find  rather open and trustworthy.  > Some Compaq employees have made statements that are less than G believeable.  Probably all they could say and remain Compaq employees. .E I can understand that.  However, they were challenged on some of the  H issues, and choose to be offended.  A bit like you're trying to tell me B that black is white, and getting offended when I don't believe it.  ? Just how gullable would you wish VMS customers and users to be?U   Dave   -- t4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:58:38 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!; Message-ID: <2ZB38.1605$%h1.795538@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>-  5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messageo& news:3C4ED4BC.8070102@tsoft-inc.com...  A > Just how gullable would you wish VMS customers and users to be?4 >2  I Certainly not so gullible as to believe the "Windoze is an enterprise OS" 3 codswallop that's bandied about all too frequently.o  L The failure of the RiskyAffinityScheme would indicate that VMS customers and% users might not be all that gullible.n   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2002 14:59:34 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>t% Subject: Re: GNV Update now availabled* Message-ID: <a2mj4m$qci$1@news1.Radix.Net>  + Kenneth Block <krblock@computer.org> wrote:8L > bash <script>.  The problem with interactive use of bash is most likely in) > the area of the curses or termcap code.h  F DEC shipped more than one version of curses which was not able to readK characters in raw mode (though it's unlikely that you're using that feature 	 in bash).h  I > The termcap code is implemented in the CRTL supplement on VAX, so it isTJ > probably the first place to look.  Also, the Vax version use VMS Curses,M > while the Alpha version uses BSD Curses.  BSD curses are not implemented ona > Vax.  L well, both are close enough to BSD curses that you could write the same code   -- 0= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>: http://dickey.his.comN ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:03:36 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o Subject: Re: hobbyist licenseg; Message-ID: <01KDEXRWVIWY8Y566K@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  H > Startup capital of less that $995 (CSA startup cost) does not make for# > a very viable company these days.h  H Correct me if I am wrong, but CSA is for developing software to be sold 9 to other people, not for developing software for oneself.   H Suppose your daughter does some sewing for $5 an hour and you advertise I this on your web server on your VMS box.  That's commercial usage and is TF NOT covered by CSA since you aren't DEVELOPING a software package for A advertising sewing daughters but rather USING VMS YOURSELF for a c) commercial purpose, so CSA doesn't apply.g  H Sure, a for a large-scale company, $995 is peanuts.  But for commercial D use like I mentioned above, it a) isn't and b) doesn't apply anyway.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:36:10 -0500m% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> " Subject: HP letter to shareholders, Message-ID: <3C4EBC43.A43CA6FC@videotron.ca>  J Note: Proxy fight expected no earlier than March. So uncertainty will last0 quite a few more months, bad for both companies.  3 HP Challenges Credentials of Dissident Board Membery  M  SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Hewlett-Packard Co. (NYSE:HWP - news) is sending a J letter to all shareholders that rallies support for the plan to buy CompaqC Computer Corp.(NYSE:CPQ - news) for $24.2 billion and questions thehN qualifications of the founder's son and board member who has led opposition to	 the deal.y  J  The eight pro-merger members of the Hewlett-Packard board, in their firstJ letter to all 900,000 shareholders, focus on the long process of strategicI deliberation that led to the deal and the value that they expect from it.o  L  But a considerable portion of the letter is also devoted to challenging theL experience of Walter Hewlett, the son of company co-founder Bill Hewlett who: is in a minority of one on the board in opposing the deal.  H  ``Walter Hewlett,'' the board writes in its letter, ``is a musician andN academic who oversees the Hewlett family trust and foundation. While he servesJ on HP's Board of Directors, Walter has never worked at the company or beenL involved in its management.'' The letter, dated Jan. 18, was released to the media on Friday.  J  Hewlett sent out his own letter to shareholders earlier this week arguingJ that the deal is flawed, based on a report he commissioned from investment bank Friedman Fleischer & Lowe.u  H  Ahead of a proxy fight expected in March, exchanges between Hewlett and0 management have become increasingly acrimonious.  I  Some 25 percent of HP stock is held by individual shareholders, while 18uK percent is owned by founding family members and trusts opposed to the deal.nM The remainder is held by institutions HP management expects to tip the scales  in favor of the merger.t  M  Hewlett argues that HP would bloat its low-margin personal computer divisionfD and dilute the value of its market-leading printer unit in the deal.  M  His spokeswoman called the HP letter a personal attack and said analysts andh shareholders supported him.t  L  ``Clearly HP must have heard from stockholders that Mr. Hewlett's arguments are resonating,'' she said.p  N  He is also preparing to send out a proxy cards to amass a block of opposition" votes in his bid to kill the deal.  N  HP responds that the merger would build a technology powerhouse with depth inL high-end computing and services, and as improve profits through cutting jobs
 and costs.  P  The HP board urged shareholders in bold type ``NOT'' to return Hewlett's proxy.  L  ``While opposing the merger, he has failed to propose any alternatives thatN your Board hasn't already analyzed, debated and rejected  because they fail toK create sufficient shareowner value,'' it said, appealing to ``more than 300AA years'' of collective business experience by the management team.s  N  The board members said the merger, first discussed by the chief executives ofJ the two companies last summer, was the culmination of a  two-year process.  H  Hewlett has said that HP would do best on its own and by making smallerH strategic acquisitions, although he has not detailed that vision for the company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:13:21 +0000l% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> & Subject: Re: HP letter to shareholders8 Message-ID: <3uit4us77qcau4socbg2gpcnji00nna054@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:36:10 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>  wrote:    O > The board members said the merger, first discussed by the chief executives ofiK >the two companies last summer, was the culmination of a  two-year process.i  D Now what does that mean exactly? Unless the Feds find reason to raidD HP, Compaq, Intel and Microsoft I doubt we will ever know. Two yearsF prior to last summer takes us back to around the time Capellas arrived and scuppered Alpha/NT.e  B Now I work for a company that makes military equipment (although aE relatively small part of the company) including a well known armouredTB personnel carrier. We sold the division which made the carrier but' just suppose we had done the following:n  C Kept the rights to the designs but cancelled future production of aiD vital piece of US army equipment. Worked in conjunction with Ford toD armour plate a standard family car. Worked in conjunction with otherA manufacturers doing the same. Merged with other manufacturer.ThenaB presented the military with no option but to buy the armour plated? Ford car even if it was now so top-heavy it crawled at best andpE crashed at every opportunity. And to top it all they forgot to securef? the doors and anti-theft devices so anyone could halt it with ar modified remote. e  B Why can you get away with this policy (and I maintain this is what? Compaq policy ultimately really is) with computers but not with> anything else?  D If CEOs of military hardware suppliers were earning $32 million in aC disastrous financial year for the company and that company had alsox6 testified on behalf of a company later found guilty ofB anti-competitive  behaviour by a US court wouldn't someone want toD look into this?  Especially if the original supplier now offered the> military kit from the company found guilty of anti-competitiveC behaviour. The closer you look at all the interlinked board membersf7 involved here the more suspicious all this looks to me.   A Too many companies these days have management collecting gigantice) payoffs while reducing shareholder value.    Shred, shred shred.    One OS to rule them allg One OS  to find them One OS to bring them all And in the darkness bind them    -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:52:20 GMT4' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>o& Subject: Re: HP letter to shareholders+ Message-ID: <3C4EF8FD.4FE46F2A@pacbell.net>-   Alan Greig wrote:- > E > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:36:10 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>s > wrote: > Q > > The board members said the merger, first discussed by the chief executives oftM > >the two companies last summer, was the culmination of a  two-year process.o > F > Now what does that mean exactly? Unless the Feds find reason to raidF > HP, Compaq, Intel and Microsoft I doubt we will ever know. Two yearsH > prior to last summer takes us back to around the time Capellas arrived > and scuppered Alpha/NT.@ > D > Now I work for a company that makes military equipment (although aG > relatively small part of the company) including a well known armouredXD > personnel carrier. We sold the division which made the carrier but) > just suppose we had done the following:, > E > Kept the rights to the designs but cancelled future production of a F > vital piece of US army equipment. Worked in conjunction with Ford toF > armour plate a standard family car. Worked in conjunction with otherC > manufacturers doing the same. Merged with other manufacturer.Then D > presented the military with no option but to buy the armour platedA > Ford car even if it was now so top-heavy it crawled at best andeG > crashed at every opportunity. And to top it all they forgot to secureeA > the doors and anti-theft devices so anyone could halt it with al > modified remote. > D > Why can you get away with this policy (and I maintain this is whatA > Compaq policy ultimately really is) with computers but not with  > anything else? > F > If CEOs of military hardware suppliers were earning $32 million in aE > disastrous financial year for the company and that company had alsob8 > testified on behalf of a company later found guilty ofD > anti-competitive  behaviour by a US court wouldn't someone want toF > look into this?  Especially if the original supplier now offered the@ > military kit from the company found guilty of anti-competitiveE > behaviour. The closer you look at all the interlinked board membersD9 > involved here the more suspicious all this looks to me._ > C > Too many companies these days have management collecting gigantic/+ > payoffs while reducing shareholder value.- > F I'd go farther than that. Most CEO's & their pals are actually ruining capitalism!aD Their short term (usually 1 quarter) foresight and golden parachutesH allow them to make decisions that are not only bad for the stockholders,G but bad for free markets and the future of capitalism everywhere! CEO's D should be paid a relatively small salary (~$250,000) and get bonusesE based on how well their company does over a 5 year period. If they've<E done well by the company over that time frame, give them a big bonus,n otherwise, nothing.a   > Shred, shred shred.t >  > One OS to rule them all- > One OS  to find them > One OS to bring them all > And in the darkness bind them5 >  > -- > Alan   -- @   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin @alphase.com 
 San Franciscoo   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:20:06 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) N Subject: Re: i am randy! (was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans3 Message-ID: <XMmyzpmxbJFc@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  ` In article <4fjq4ugsepgrjq2us3ai56k7eki8v5utak@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > G > In the UK "Durex" is a condom.  In Australia it's a brand of adhesive- > tape. Confuse at your peril!  E    Which news anchor was it that migrated from England to the US as adG    school boy?  Much amusement when he asked to borrow a rubber one dayb    in class.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:27:12 +0100 (MET)@9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>4. Subject: internals question: mode of execution; Message-ID: <01KDEYEW0DME8ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h  I There are various ways (F$MODE(), SHOW SYSTEM,...) which a process a) canhI use to find out what mode (BATCH, INTERACTIVE,...) process b) is running r# in, including the case where a = b.n  ! WHERE is this information stored?e  E A former colleague who know works in the unix world but used to work  D with VMS has come to the conclusion that this information cannot be I gathered reliably in unix in all circumstances.  I assume that in VMS it 2H can be gathered reliably, which would prove that it can be done.  (He's < looking for even MORE arguments that unix is ill-conceived.)  H This seems like such an essential matter that I am quite surprised that H this is not possible in unix.  Maybe it is, but the former colleague is  quite knowledgeable....e   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 02 08:19:14 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comr2 Subject: Re: internals question: mode of execution( Message-ID: <IucP1t1ei+sb@cpva.saic.com>  ; In article <01KDEYEW0DME8ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>,a<  Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:K > There are various ways (F$MODE(), SHOW SYSTEM,...) which a process a) candK > use to find out what mode (BATCH, INTERACTIVE,...) process b) is running  % > in, including the case where a = b.o > # > WHERE is this information stored?1 >   J In the process' CTL$GL_CREPRC_FLAGS; you can use the definitions in prcdef to decode the flags.   - Jim    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:17:22 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)>R Subject: Re: laws (was: RE: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!)3 Message-ID: <gj+UhF5rm6iw@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  w In article <01KDDJT4ZMF68ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:r  G > Of course, many states in the U.S. still have laws against [wrinkles tG > forehead while contemplating ways of avoiding various p.c., net-nannygJ > etc content filters] things consenting adults can and elsewhere normallyJ > do with each other without fear of the law.  "Don't swallow, honey, it's > the sherrif."  :-) o  F    It's still illegal for ugly people to be seen in public in Chicago,4    but I'm not sure that will stand up under appeal.  F    Folks in Prince Goerge's County, MD, were suprized to find out thatC    sex in public is not illegal.  Police were unable to take actionsF    against a couple who crawled behind some bushes for obviuos reasonsG    since they managed not to violate any public nudity laws.  Must haveg    been thick bushes.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:55:58 -0500e5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>eR Subject: Re: laws (was: RE: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!)2 Message-ID: <zs5OPOioxKjQ=BjM3YUEz7N1saFu@4ax.com>  F On 23 Jan 2002 08:17:22 -0600, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  x >In article <01KDDJT4ZMF68ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: >oH >> Of course, many states in the U.S. still have laws against [wrinkles H >> forehead while contemplating ways of avoiding various p.c., net-nannyK >> etc content filters] things consenting adults can and elsewhere normallyaK >> do with each other without fear of the law.  "Don't swallow, honey, it'sn >> the sherrif."  :-)  > G >   It's still illegal for ugly people to be seen in public in Chicago,n5 >   but I'm not sure that will stand up under appeal.  > G >   Folks in Prince Goerge's County, MD, were suprized to find out that D >   sex in public is not illegal.  Police were unable to take actionG >   against a couple who crawled behind some bushes for obviuos reasonsiH >   since they managed not to violate any public nudity laws.  Must have >   been thick bushes.  ?     Well, this is the U.S.  There is no law preventing you frome; making a complete idiot of yourself if you desire to do so!u :-))))   David R. Beattyl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:33:30 +0000d  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comR Subject: Re: laws (was: RE: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!): Message-ID: <OFDFFE3742.30D58D25-ON00256B4A.005ADC37@btyp>  " Well, that's the problem isn't it?  F There probably IS a law in the US which stops you from doing that very thing. It's just obscure!R   ;^Di   Steve Sw        I David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> on 01/23/2002 02:55:58 PM-    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:nF From:      David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>, 23 January            2002, 2:55 p.m.  I Re: laws (was: RE: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!)k    F On 23 Jan 2002 08:17:22 -0600, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  K >In article <01KDDJT4ZMF68ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbige, <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: > G >> Of course, many states in the U.S. still have laws against [wrinkles H >> forehead while contemplating ways of avoiding various p.c., net-nannyK >> etc content filters] things consenting adults can and elsewhere normallyvK >> do with each other without fear of the law.  "Don't swallow, honey, it'ss >> the sherrif."  :-)a > G >   It's still illegal for ugly people to be seen in public in Chicago,e5 >   but I'm not sure that will stand up under appeal.  >cG >   Folks in Prince Goerge's County, MD, were suprized to find out that-D >   sex in public is not illegal.  Police were unable to take actionG >   against a couple who crawled behind some bushes for obviuos reasonscH >   since they managed not to violate any public nudity laws.  Must have >   been thick bushes.  ?     Well, this is the U.S.  There is no law preventing you from ; making a complete idiot of yourself if you desire to do so!g :-))))   David R. Beatty             F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasuG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,b$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedtK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.a  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.d  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,yD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jan 2002 23:54:59 -0800' From: salikin@yahoo.com (Hamid Salikin)w  Subject: Re: Low resource on VMS= Message-ID: <d82d06f8.0201222354.28aa1bf8@posting.google.com>p  F Sorry for not mentioning what the low resource was. It is actually theB disk space (1 GB). After a week or so, I will end up with 0 blocks' when i do the "show device dka0 /full".e  D I can't read French but I believe the Syltrem page you gave me was a+ good VMS page. Any english version? Thanks.s    i "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> wrote in message news:<s3W28.920$EI.5723@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>...t > What resource is low? 6 > How do you know it's low (messages, behavior, etc) ? >  > -- > 	 > SyltremoK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)d@ > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address > C > "Hamid Salikin" <salikin@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message news:t2 > d82d06f8.0201210146.74e09c@posting.google.com...I > > I'm running six identical AlphaStation 200 4/100 workstation & server C > > setup (software/hardware) for a SCADA system. However, I have aH< > > problem with one of the workstation due to low resource. > >gJ > > I still can't figure out what is causing this problem since I'm new toJ > > VMS? Anyway, can I can double check its disk usage and compare it withI > > the other workstation? This workstation is really a pain in the neck; B > > need to reboot it and restore almost once a week which is very > > inefficient. > > 3 > > Can anyone help me or give suggestions. Thanks!s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:38:40 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: Low resource on VMS, Message-ID: <a2m3re$3bdu@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  4 "Hamid Salikin" <salikin@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:d82d06f8.0201222354.28aa1bf8@posting.google.com...P  H > Sorry for not mentioning what the low resource was. It is actually theD > disk space (1 GB). After a week or so, I will end up with 0 blocks) > when i do the "show device dka0 /full".   > Probably the best thing is to periodically look for big files:G dir dka0:[*...]/size=all/select=size=min=10000  (10000 arbitrary ~5MB).hL It's fairly common to find log files growing, and a 1GB disk is sufficiently/ small that you have to actively keep them down.t  B Once you've baselined the system, you can work out which files are< large/growing quickly, and we might be able to help further.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:53:41 -0500e1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>i Subject: LYNX for OpenVMSr2 Message-ID: <3C4EF8A5.F9286C05@firstdbasource.com>  F Is there an OpenVMS/Alpha/7.2-x/TCPIP-V5.0a version of LYNX (text only/ web browser) that also understands Java-script?e   -- e   Regards,  > Michael Austin -- Available for Remote SYS/Database/WEB Admin.7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.comb President/Sr.Consultanti 704-947-1089 (Office)c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:31:36 +0000-  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comY Subject: McDonalds now! [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( wasThe deH: Message-ID: <OFD69F1481.C9CA3FAD-ON00256B4A.005AB071@btyp>  % Well, no. Sandwiches are MUCH bigger!2   ;^D3   Steve S         9 Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> on 01/23/2002 03:39:33 PMa    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:eF From:      Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>, 23 January 2002, 3:39 p.m.  G Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The      demisef of compaq )     / On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:51:11 GMT, Tim Llewellyn ' <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:r  B >Buns are sweet, rolls are not, don't they teach you that up there  D And don't get me started on the McDonalds "sandwich" which is a roll@ not a sandwich. I'll accept "burger bun" at a push but sandwich?   :-)e   >multiple smilies. >  >regards   -- Alan          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasnG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,t$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivediK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.d  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.h  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,lD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:47:00 +0100f3 From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de>o Subject: Re: MOZILLA 0.9.70 Message-ID: <3C4EA2B4.8050203@iaf.fraunhofer.de>   Theo Jakobus wrote:i  D > I'm using MOZILLA 0.9.6 for the web and for e-mail on a PWS500au,  > OpenVMS 7.3.7 > I downloaded MOZILLA 0.9.7 and installed the program.  > 1 > After starting MOZILLA 0.9.7 I have 2 problems:cF > 1. It doesn't recognize my MOZILLA profile which is in subdirectory 
 > [._MOZILLA]o > J > 2. The MOZILLA profile manager shows up and after selecting the profile G > "default" an alert "..the directory containing the profile cannot be lH > found.." is shown. I created a new profile name, next "choose Folder"  > poped up the FolderoH > Window the "Look in:" was empty pushing "..." didn't show anything. I  > entered a4> > directory path in "File name" but the input wasn't accepted. >  > G > I renamed the directory so MOZILLA started from scratch but still no  
 > success. >  > > > I've entered the information into BUGZILLA it's bug #118988. >  >       / For DECwindows the logical LANG is defined as: o  B LANG = "SYS$COMMON:[SYS$I18N.LOCALES.SYSTEM]EN_US_ISO8859-1.LOCALE  7 After deassigning the logical MOZILLA 0.9.7 is running.v     Regards, Theo   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:18:10 +0100 ! From: "makine" <makine@entodo.es>  Subject: Open VMS manual" Message-ID: <3c4eaa8d@news.upm.es>   Open VMS manual, please?# I've tried to find something but...a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:35:55 +0100b7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>t Subject: RE: Open VMS manualO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C51@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>   K There are several online just read the openvms FAQ on the compaq.com site. n     > -----Original Message-----( > From: makine [mailto:makine@entodo.es]& > Sent: woensdag 23 januari 2002 13:18 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm > Subject: Open VMS manual >  >  > Open VMS manual, please?% > I've tried to find something but...r >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:32:34 -0500s* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: Open VMS manual- Message-ID: <0033000048896761000002L012*@MHS>   < =0AOnline, a lot of the documentation can be looked at free.  # http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/O  * You can order it on CD, it costs a little.   You can order it in book form,3 the base set costs a good bit more than the CD-ROM.b  5 A full set costs lots, lots more and you don't reallyf! need it unless you're developing.a  : http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/extra/DOC_ORDERING.HTML   Hope this helps,   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe) Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 7:52 AMhB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: Open VMS manual     Open VMS manual, please?$ I've tried to find something but...=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:28:48 +0000t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Open VMS manual) Message-ID: <3C4EBA90.21C3670F@127.0.0.1>l  
 makine wrote:l >  > Open VMS manual, please?% > I've tried to find something but...     Didn't try very hard did you :-)  # http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/h   Also see  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmla    2 All linked from the www.openvms.compaq.com site... -- h( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:16:58 -0500t' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: Open VMS manual< Message-ID: <howard-B1F647.08165823012002@enews.newsguy.com>  E In article <3c4eaa8d@news.upm.es>, "makine" <makine@entodo.es> wrote:-   > Open VMS manual, please?% > I've tried to find something but...o  8 http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html#ovmsdocset  5 If you LOOK, you might even find it in Spanish there.s   -- g Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"' Aren't there any networked SJFs around?v   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:00:28 +0100 ! From: "makine" <makine@entodo.es>s Subject: Re: Open VMS manual" Message-ID: <3c4eecba@news.upm.es>   Thank you very much.    2 "makine" <makine@entodo.es> escribi en el mensaje news:3c4eaa8d@news.upm.es... > Open VMS manual, please?% > I've tried to find something but...7 >  >0   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:26:04 GMT! From: William <wilby98@yahoo.com> ! Subject: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disks0* Message-ID: <a2lvjc$7d6$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  @ I now have a MicroVAX II, VAXStation 2000, and MicroVAX 3100-30.Q Also, 1-RX50, 1-RD53, 1-RD32, 2-TK50's, ?-RD54's (either installed or available).nH I would like to install OpenVMS on the MicroVAX II and MicroVAX 3100-30.  A Since the latest version of OpenVMS is only available as a CD andk< all I have are VAX floppy and tape units, I need a solution.? One that occurred to me is to make floppy images on a PC with as? a PC 1.2MB 5.25i drive. There is a procedure for doing this at:   - http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/rx50.htmlR  . Has anyone done this before? Which portions of@ OpenVMS V7.2 should be included? (I presume DECWindows would notA used on these boxes.) How many floppies and where could the mediag be acquired?  A OK, now that I suggested I might try doing this there is probably0= an easier way for me to run OpenVMS on the MVII and 3100: Gett> a CDROM for the 3100 and install OpenVMS (cluster) on it. Then6 boot the MVII from it. The problem is that I only have0 one DEQNA card and would need an additional one.   That's my story.   Bill
 Amsterdam, NLr  a   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:53:40 GMT! From: William <wilby98@yahoo.com>E% Subject: Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disks * Message-ID: <a2m174$cm1$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  $ I think I overlooked a problem here:  + The most recent version of OpenVMS does notu7 support the DEQNA card. (Another good reason to use thei "floppy install" method.)  :)-   Bill
 Amsterdam, NL0  " William <wilby98@yahoo.com> wrote: > 8 > boot the MVII from it. The problem is that I only have2 > one DEQNA card and would need an additional one. >  -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:42:57 +010087 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>y% Subject: RE: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disks O Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C4E@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>d  H If you have TK50 tapedrives, why don't you do the simple way and install; from the tapeunit. I can help with making those tk50 tapes.y  0 To install VMS you need a lot of floppy images.    Another way is network. L If you have a scsi or dssi controller or an ethernet controller in the boxes and a harddisk  H you can install VMS with the little help of some storagedevices you only need for a short time  to install vms.n   Jeroen van Dijki Uitwijkmedewerkere Business Continuityb Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nlt  " Getronics Infrastructure Solutions Botter 15-90 Postbus 2228 8203 AE  Lelystad  Tel  : +31 (0)320 266314 Fax:  +31 (0)320 266219        > -----Original Message-----* > From: William [mailto:wilby98@yahoo.com]& > Sent: woensdag 23 januari 2002 10:26 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm# > Subject: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disksG >  > B > I now have a MicroVAX II, VAXStation 2000, and MicroVAX 3100-30.; > Also, 1-RX50, 1-RD53, 1-RD32, 2-TK50's, ?-RD54's (either e > installed or available).9 > I would like to install OpenVMS on the MicroVAX II and d > MicroVAX 3100-30.P > C > Since the latest version of OpenVMS is only available as a CD andr> > all I have are VAX floppy and tape units, I need a solution.A > One that occurred to me is to make floppy images on a PC with anA > a PC 1.2MB 5.25i drive. There is a procedure for doing this at:w > / > http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/vax/rx50.html  > 0 > Has anyone done this before? Which portions ofB > OpenVMS V7.2 should be included? (I presume DECWindows would notC > used on these boxes.) How many floppies and where could the mediae > be acquired? > C > OK, now that I suggested I might try doing this there is probablye? > an easier way for me to run OpenVMS on the MVII and 3100: Get @ > a CDROM for the 3100 and install OpenVMS (cluster) on it. Then8 > boot the MVII from it. The problem is that I only have2 > one DEQNA card and would need an additional one. >  > That's my story. >  > Bill > Amsterdam, NLu >  e >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:14:52 -0500 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>-% Subject: Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disks0< Message-ID: <howard-30C847.08145223012002@enews.newsguy.com>  G In article <a2m174$cm1$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, William <wilby98@yahoo.com> O wrote:  & > I think I overlooked a problem here: > - > The most recent version of OpenVMS does notI9 > support the DEQNA card. (Another good reason to use then > "floppy install" method.)  :)   G Another thing you may have missed is that those computers are unlikely 2  to be supported in VMS 7 at all.   -- v Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"' Aren't there any networked SJFs around?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:54:53 +010027 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com> % Subject: RE: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disksTO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C5A@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>e  F For the MicroVAX II and the vaxstation 2000 the max VMS version is 7.2- The MicroVAX 3100 has no max VMS version yet.t  : This and more info you can find in the following document.7 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.htmln       > -----Original Message-----0 > From: Howard S Shubs [mailto:howard@shubs.net]& > Sent: woensdag 23 januari 2002 14:15 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt' > Subject: Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disks  >  > 5 > In article <a2m174$cm1$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, William n > <wilby98@yahoo.com>  > wrote: > ( > > I think I overlooked a problem here: > > / > > The most recent version of OpenVMS does not ; > > support the DEQNA card. (Another good reason to use thee! > > "floppy install" method.)  :)t > @ > Another thing you may have missed is that those computers are  > unlikely h" > to be supported in VMS 7 at all. >  > -- f > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!") > Aren't there any networked SJFs around?_ >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:34:57 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r% Subject: Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disksi8 Message-ID: <k7it4u4ugdbtgd307lgl2ivvrgv1lg2aig@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:14:52 -0500, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>u wrote:  H >In article <a2m174$cm1$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, William <wilby98@yahoo.com>  >wrote:a >h' >> I think I overlooked a problem here:  >> o. >> The most recent version of OpenVMS does not: >> support the DEQNA card. (Another good reason to use the  >> "floppy install" method.)  :) >lH >Another thing you may have missed is that those computers are unlikely ! >to be supported in VMS 7 at all.   E A quick check of the SPD shows they are all supported by 7.2. Support C for the MicroVAX 2 and Vaxstation 2 ends at 7.2.  The 3100 is stilltB supported under 7.3. VMS engineering has stated that they will notB intentionally break later versions of VMS on older VAXes but if it= does't work you are on your own. DEQNA still a problem though4 -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:46:03 +0100 C From: Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailadddress.is.invalid> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 diskse8 Message-ID: <3C4EDABB.5E3F@this.mailadddress.is.invalid>   William wrote: > B > I now have a MicroVAX II, VAXStation 2000, and MicroVAX 3100-30.E > Also, 1-RX50, 1-RD53, 1-RD32, 2-TK50's, ?-RD54's (either installed IH > or available). I would like to install OpenVMS on the MicroVAX II and  > MicroVAX 3100-30.e  > I have VMS 5.5-2 on TK50. If you're interested, contact me at  m.erens@wanadoo.nl e   -- e ME Posted by news://news.nb.nuy   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 07:45:52 -0800- From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell)s% Subject: Re: OpenVMS CD to 5.25 disksc= Message-ID: <9f261edc.0201230745.4b9598f8@posting.google.com>i  D > > I now have a MicroVAX II, VAXStation 2000, and MicroVAX 3100-30.= > > Also, 1-RX50, 1-RD53, 1-RD32, 2-TK50's, ?-RD54's (either o > > installed or available).; > > I would like to install OpenVMS on the MicroVAX II and b > > MicroVAX 3100-30.    Hi,A  C I think you're being a little optimistic that you could get OpenVMSh9 VAX v7.2 to work effectively (or at all) on these boxes..h   RD53 = 71MBe RD54 = 159MB  A See OpenVMS SPD at http://www.compaq.com/info/SP2501/sp2501pf.pdf D (page 40 - 42). Granted, this is for OpenVMS VAX v7.3, but it statesF that about RD53s and RD32s: <<<Device cannot be used as an OpenVMS VAX? system disk.>>> and about RD54s: <<<Device cannot be used as anS< OpenVMS VAX system disk with DECwindows Motif environment>>>  @ See also pages 27 - 28, which suggest a bare-bones install takesA 146.7MB. Getting close to an RD54's capacity (given the effectiveh: capacity will be slightly less than 159MB once the disk is
 initialised).r  E Although http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.html DOES"F suggest the MicroVAX II, VAXstation 2000, and MicroVAX 3100-30 can run OpenVMS VAX v7.2  ? Is a solution to hook up your old TK50 drive, and find some oldoD VAX/VMS v5.* or OpenVMS VAX v6.* media & install that? NB: the aboveD systems are very slow by today's standards anyway, and I'm presumingA you won't be concerned about support from Compaq. I've heard of aa@ MicroVAX 3400's performance is comparable with a mid-range Intel 386-based system.2  > How about buying a cheap Alpha? See other recent threads about
 suppliers.  3 Sorry I can't think of anything more positive. HTH.8   Chris Bardell, UK.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:55:30 -0500y2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>> Subject: Oracle Rdb Performance and Tuning Course Announcement* Message-ID: <3C4EDCF2.2D084ACF@oracle.com>  ; Would you like to know how to reduce lock conflicts in your0@ Oracle Rdb database? Have you always wondered about the benefits? of global buffers? Interested in ways you can reduce the number / of IOs required by your database transactions?    s? You can learn to solve these and many other performance puzzlesA? by attending one of the February 2002 offerings of Oracle's RdbiA Performance and Tuning Course to be held in  London in the United < Kingdom beginning 18-Feb and in Atlanta in the United States beginning 11-Feb.    ? Read a course description and register for the classes online. n  ) For the London offering, go to this url: a  c http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/education/course_synopsis/core_technology/rdb/index.html?rdb4.html b  - or for the Atlanta offering, go to this url: s  = http://oracle.com/global/us/education/index.html?search.html s  A and enter this course number in the Keyword Search field: D10818 '  ? I'm also pleased to announce that Oracle Rdb version 7.0.6.3 is < now available from Oracle Support.  You can download the kit@ using the Patches option in the left-hand column of the MetaLink= home page (http://metalink.oracle.com/).  To order the latestrA version of software on CD-ROM, please contact your Oracle Supportd Center.    Best regards,  Kevin Duffy  Oracle Rdb Development Directort   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:57:58 -0800 (PST)y. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>B Subject: Re: Oracle Rdb Performance and Tuning Course Announcement@ Message-ID: <20020123175758.47653.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>  & London ? Atlanta ? So far from me !=20  - The company decided dont renew the Oracle RDB 	 contract,r0 because of the high prices Oracle is practicing.- We have just Oracle Classic contract now !=20l1 And we have important systems running under RDB -s5 until the SAP arrives ... promised to Januaru, jumpedt to June and now to 2003 !=20  2 We (RDB users) are abandoned in South America !=20   Regardsf   FC=20h0 --- norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> wrote:5 > Would you like to know how to reduce lock conflictsh	 > in your 5 > Oracle Rdb database? Have you always wondered abouth > the benefits6 > of global buffers? Interested in ways you can reduce > the number3 > of IOs required by your database transactions?=20A > =20I- > You can learn to solve these and many othery > performance puzzlesi4 > by attending one of the February 2002 offerings of > Oracle's Rdb5 > Performance and Tuning Course to be held in  Londont > in the United 0 > Kingdom beginning 18-Feb and in Atlanta in the > United StatesI > beginning 11-Feb.=20 > =20x0 > Read a course description and register for the > classes online.=20 >=20- > For the London offering, go to this url:=20e >=20 >iL http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/education/course_synopsis/core_technology/r= db/index.html?rdb4.htmlA >=20 >=201 > or for the Atlanta offering, go to this url:=20e >=20 >t< http://oracle.com/global/us/education/index.html?search.html >=20 >=204 > and enter this course number in the Keyword Search > field: D10818=20 >=206 > I'm also pleased to announce that Oracle Rdb version > 7.0.6.3 is6 > now available from Oracle Support.  You can download	 > the kit-5 > using the Patches option in the left-hand column ofk > the MetaLink4 > home page (http://metalink.oracle.com/).  To order > the latest4 > version of software on CD-ROM, please contact your > Oracle Support > Center.=20 >=20 > Best regards,=20 > Kevin Duffy=20! > Oracle Rdb Development Director      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DGL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DC F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazile fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D@  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?& Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail!! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:28:27 -0500-* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>= Subject: OT: Vegemite (was RE: Younger recruits blahblahblah)e- Message-ID: <0033000048929747000002L072*@MHS>0   =0AEgad!  From Kraft.com I find a link to:   http://www.vegemite.com.au/    WWWebb -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET * Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:17 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETC Subject: RE: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The     : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Un2THXOYqLbw@eisner.encompasserve.org...g7 > In article <3C4E2B25.7A2F8C9F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei  <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes: > >2E > > And what I don't quite get is why the USA is guilty of inflictingT Aussies andeA > > Kiwis with Vegemite (it is made by Kraft, a USA corporation).t >gD >    Owned by Phillip Morris which inflicts better known products on >    the world.r  H Well, Phillip Morris as Kraft might put their name on it now, but I'd b= eDF willing to bet good money that it's just because Kraft bought out someH company that bought out some other company that started making the stuf= f wayuD back when.  So who's the primal inflictor?  Is there such a thing as homemade Vegemite?   L=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:41:40 GMT.4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: Q on the phone dial; Message-ID: <8JB38.1594$%h1.788920@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   - <Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com> wrote in message:4 news:OFD9BF2D0F.96CAF644-ON00256B4A.005A83F2@btyp... >0	 > Really?. >s > It's on '7' on all my phones.n >. > Are US phones different? >o  H One of my landline phones sports the Big Q on the keypad, the other does not.  7 So much for Compaq's praises of Industry Standards, eh?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:12 -0500S% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>u  Subject: Re: Q on the phone dial+ Message-ID: <3C4EFA66.7C97F28@videotron.ca>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:-J > One of my landline phones sports the Big Q on the keypad, the other does > not.  8 Lettering of keypads was never a international standard.  G I still remember inserting my bank card in an ATM in Hong Kong and thenmG realising that the keypad didn't have any letters (my pin is made up oftI letters) and I was really affraid that the machine would eat my card if I M entered the wrong one. I had go inside the bank, ask for a piece of paper andeJ pen and draw my own keypad with letters to figure out what my pin was so I could use that ATM :-)  4 (Payphones also did not have letters on the keypad).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:29:40 +0000e  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comG Subject: Q on the phone dial [was Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?] : Message-ID: <OFD9BF2D0F.96CAF644-ON00256B4A.005A83F2@btyp>   Really?d   It's on '7' on all my phones.o   Are US phones different?   Cheers   Steve SC        ; David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> on 01/23/2002 04:00:21 PM/    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: H From:      David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>, 23 January 2002, 4:00 p.m.  $ Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?     John Forkosh wrote:o >aD > I purchased Freeware 5 CD from them back on Sept 4, 2001, for $25.H > Call 1-800-DIGITAL (or 1-800-ATCOMPAQ, I can't recall which I dialed),* > and ask for QA-6KZAA-H8.  Worked for me.  7 One of my bigger pet peeves.  Since no telephone buttonh7 is labeled with a Q one cannot dial ATCOMPAQ.  I wondere% if they own all numbers ATCOMPA[0-9]?t   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message haseG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,t$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receiveddK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.e  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.2  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,hD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:55:06 -0700y- From: "Dan Notov" <dannoHATES_SPAM@large.com> K Subject: Re: Q on the phone dial [was Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?] / Message-ID: <u4u1nfpept3o4c@corp.supernews.com>M  ; David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> on 01/23/2002 04:00:21 PMr >s" > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > cc:DJ > From:      David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>, 23 January 2002, 4:00 p.m. > & > Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale? >1 >0 > John Forkosh wrote:  > >sF > > I purchased Freeware 5 CD from them back on Sept 4, 2001, for $25.J > > Call 1-800-DIGITAL (or 1-800-ATCOMPAQ, I can't recall which I dialed),, > > and ask for QA-6KZAA-H8.  Worked for me. >S9 > One of my bigger pet peeves.  Since no telephone button 9 > is labeled with a Q one cannot dial ATCOMPAQ.  I wonder3' > if they own all numbers ATCOMPA[0-9]?0  Let's see:(   1-800-ATC-OMPA 1-800-282-6672   1-800-OKC-OMPA 1-800-652-6672  A Look's like the "Q" is silent. [snide-remark-catcher begins here]a   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:26:16 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler). Subject: Solaris strikes again3 Message-ID: <7C6W8p4r$U2S@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  C    Ah, sometimes life is no fun without our resident Sun worshipperaA    Andrew.  This week's folly: a series of Solaris crashes due to?F    a temporary excursion by a time server.  My VMS systems didn't even&    get confused about what time it is.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:05:32 -0500 : From: shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix)Y Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of compaq d. Message-ID: <csql2a.5pg.ln@escape.shannon.net>  5 In article <3c50275c.162675384@news.btopenworld.com>,E&  <greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk> wrote:H > On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:12:09 +0100, "Nico de Jong" <nico@farumdata.dk> > sprachen:- > K > >Dutch : they have a course called "queen soup". I never saw a piece of aa > >queen in my spoon.: > G > It would be valid if the chef was a bit of a queen. He might have putw1 > a little of himself into the soup, never know. 4  E Well, you've saved me a bit of cash on eating out for the rest of thea week.m       --    H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:29:01 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)oY Subject: Re: the art of the possible (was: RE: 2 new Compaq Accredited Professionalexams i3 Message-ID: <JgcyyrW1tL77@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  w In article <01KDDK1KJEA08ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes: K >> An engineer and a mathematician were walking through a building one day.SN >> Upon passing an open door they observed a beautiful naked woman standing at/ >> the far side of the room beyond the doorway.h > N >> The engineer replied, "That may be true, but we'll get close enough for all >> practical purposes."  > ? > In a similar vein (apologies to those who don't read German):a > N > http://www.palmod.uni-bremen.de/~bgri/node9.html#SECTION00051000000000000000 >   A    The babelfish translation actlually seems to add to the humor,5F    while mistranslating just enough German to keep the original style.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:45:57 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: The Register says Northern Light has a new ownerf3 Message-ID: <lgw2c41K6SHO@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  c In article <QPgODaBQ$mDz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: 4 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/23776.html  &    www.northernlight.com says so, too.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:48:42 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)F Subject: Re: Time Sync Software-3 Message-ID: <590MTo89QcBG@eisner.encompasserve.org>0   In article <F2D18855B95D6942BD315C5A8F141A0E816AF7@as-exchange-01.allsaintshealthcare.org>, "La Roche, Michael" <mlaroche@allsaintshealthcare.org> writes:N > Does anyone know of a software package that will sync time between 2 OpenVMSM > cluster boxes, IBM AIX RS6000 and Windows NT Servers?  Just want to know ifI2 > there is anything like this out there somewhere.  B    All are capable of NTP (and/or XNTP).  We use AIX's native NTP,J    Multinet's XNTP on VMS, and either K9 (sp?) or Exceed's NTP on Windows.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:21:17 +0800p' From: freeultimatehgh512517@yahoo.co.jp R Subject: Tired Of Dieting? Learn About HGH And Permanent Weight Loss! 5125171210879 Message-ID: <iss.545d.3c4e94ae.64550.1@mx2.west.saic.com>   6  As seen on NBC, CBS, CNN, and even Oprah! The health : discovery that actually reverses aging while burning fat, < without dieting or exercise! This proven discovery has even 9 been reported on by the New England Journal of Medicine. ,: Forget  aging and dieting forever! 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'    , You are receiving this email as a subscriber$ to the Opt-In America Mailing List. . To remove yourself from all related maillists, just click here:. mailto:pacserver@btamail.net.cn?Subject=REMOVE   512517121087   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:43:29 +0000l( From: Martyn <mpattKNICKERS@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: TYPE suggestion* Message-ID: <3C4EA1E1.1090107@bigfoot.com>  B How about putting the development effort into producing a generic D utility that will allow extraction of certain portions of text from B data, similar to the Unix "cut" or the EXTRACT utility  mentioned D elsewhere in this thread. IMHO this would be more usefull as output I could be piped into it from many other commands to display only selected a info, e.g.  show system.       Guy Peleg wrote:   >I really like this idea. J >Since OpenVMS V7.3-1 release is closed, I will do my best to have this in' >OpenVMS V7.3-2 or maybe in future ECO.i >L >Thanks for your suggestion. >i
 >Guy Peleg >OpenVMS Engineering >i >JF Mezei wrote: > P >>Perhaps add a /WINDOW=xx qualifier that would display only a selected "window" >>of each line.f >>M >>for instance: /WINDOW=79 would only display the first 79 characters of eachi
 >>line, or >>V >>/WINDOW=(start:20, end:100) would display between column 20 and 100 (80 characters). >>P >>Reson: when one displays log files that often span more than 80 characters, itN >>would make the log file far more readable since records wouldn't "fold" onto >>the next line. >>P >>Similarly, for files with long record lengths, you could display only portions2 >>of a record and again make it far more readable. >> >p     -- :, Remove KNICKERS before replying by Email ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:12:26 +0100r2 From: "Robert Boers" <robert.boers@softresint.com>2 Subject: Re: VAX emulator model and serial numbers* Message-ID: <3c4ea8ad$1@news.deckpoint.ch>  5 The Compaq transfer licenses for CHARON-VAX are here:cB http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/sri-charon-vax-emulator.html   Regards,   Robert Boers  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message + news:Zgn38.333$PZ4.7344@news.cpqcorp.net...aB > In article <a29rn7$1ejs$1@news.louisville.edu>, "Calvin Miracle"( <cbmira01@athena.louisville.edu> writes: >!A > :Will the new VAX emulators effectively have model designations F > :and serial numbers?  Will this information be available in order to> > :apply for the OpenVMS Hobbyist License files from Montagar? >f >   In no particular order...< >mE >   The OpenVMS serial number referenced by the Hobbyist licensing ise0 >   the serial number on the sticker on the box. >H1 >   All but a few VAX system lack serial numbers.f >oC >   Alpha also tends to lack a hardware serial number but does faresD >   better than VAX here, as it provides a way to store and retrieveF >   the sticker-based serial number in a console environment variable.E >   (This is where the Alpha command SHOW CPU/FULL gets the value...)  >iA >   The closest thing to a hardware serial number is the EthernetnA >   address.  It is not an exact match for a serial number, and aF6 >   system may or may not have an Ethernet controller. >rF >   A VAX emulator is free to return whatever it chooses as its serialG >   number -- while the emulator is clearly software, OpenVMS considerspJ >   it to be hardware.  Thus from the perspective of OpenVMS, the emulatorD >   looks and works like hardware.  Thus from the perspective of theI >   emulator, it is best if the emulator looks very much like an existing H >   VAX.  (The less the emulator looks like the target emulated VAX, the9 >   more likely it is that software can require changes.)v >aE >   There are NO checks within OpenVMS that match the hardware to thecC >   license PAK.  (The platform is deliberately not locked down, ashE >   various software licenses can permit use of a licensed product onw8 >   another platform in certain specific circumstances.) >rF >   The serial number to list for the hobbyist license is the one fromG >   the sticker on the box.  It is thus expected that the serial number3D >   involved is the box that is running running the emulator, or the, >   sticker that is on the VAX or Alpha box. >iD >   Go get the hobbyist CHARON-VAX emulator package.  For commercialD >   use, there is (or will be) a package that permits you to legallyD >   move existing OpenVMS VAX product licenses to the new (emulator)
 >   platform.t >/G >   VAX is non-trivial to emulate -- the SRI engineers thought they hadeH >   a good emulation until it was run against the AXE tests; against theG >   VAX architecture verification test suite.  (I'd like to get the AXE-H >   test suite available for folks working on the emulators, but I don'tI >   have the cycles to pursue it right now.)   After much effort, SRI did-G >   get the emulator to correctly run the VAX architecture tests.  (BobJB >   Supnik is undoubtedly quite familiar with the AXE test suite.) >.J >   I won't get into bus-level emulation, as that gets really interesting.I >   The I/O timing itself is not something that could be easily emulated,aJ >   but OpenVMS does tend to be tolerant of odd or unexpected I/O timings.H >   As the folks writing the emulators know, getting the VAX instruction8 >   decoder to work is just part of the effort involved. >i >n( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------tL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringt hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:38:14 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>= Subject: Re: Vegemite (was RE: Younger recruits blahblahblah)-; Message-ID: <WFB38.1578$%h1.787304@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>r  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message:' news:0033000048929747000002L072*@MHS...B   Egad!h  From Kraft.com I find a link to:   http://www.vegemite.com.au/>   WWWebb  C For sure you are a contender for the Happy Little Vegemites Awards,e= information on which is available at the referenced site. ;-}e   Cedric ZooloK who wonders if SPAM(tm) with Vegemite(tm) spread might be the next exemplar  of "fusion cooking."   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 01:49:12 -0800- From: michael_e_price@talk21.com (Mike Price)S/ Subject: Re: VMS person looking for a job in UK:< Message-ID: <f2c2207.0201230149.6670466f@posting.google.com>  ' Many thanks for all the helpful messagen   and the sympathetic ones   Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:43:57 +0000r  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comY Subject: Woah there cowboy! [was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( wasRey: Message-ID: <OFF5BC798E.902A2045-ON00256B4A.005BC49B@btyp>  % Depends which newsgroup we're now in.e  F If we're still on comp.os.vms then yes, I'd complain. If we've somehow< warped into alt.sick.golden-shower then what's your problem?   ;^Dr   Steve S         K shannon@corp.supernews.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix) on 01/23/2002 07:46:49e AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:-K From:      shannon@corp.supernews.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix), 23 Januaryp            2002, 7:46 a.m.  B Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: The dem    1 In article <d9J28.902$Lv.126886@news.xtra.co.nz>, / Geoff McCaughan <geoffm@spam.hormel.com> wrote:i, > Charles Richmond (richmond@ev1.net) wrote: >h@ > > Like my old Daddy used to say:  "You'd complain if they hung" > > you with a new rope!!!"  (;-)) >DD > Hereabouts it was always: "You'd complain if your arse was on fire$ > and I pissed on it to put it out!"  C If you could have used the bucket of water sitting behind me, yeah,e I'd complain.  Wouldn't you?       --  H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has_G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,P$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message..  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.e  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,eD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jan 2002 12:08:37 GMT- From: forkosh@panix1.panix.com (John Forkosh)e- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale? ) Message-ID: <a2m945$l1b$2@news.panix.com>t  1 William Barnett-Lewis (wlewis@mailbag.com) wrote:-H : For simplicity, I'd like to have a copy of one of the Freeware CDROMs. : Unfortunately, according toQD : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/index.html it's notE : available separate from the full cost media kit. Does anyone have ae! : spare they'd care to part with? 	 : William   B I purchased Freeware 5 CD from them back on Sept 4, 2001, for $25.F Call 1-800-DIGITAL (or 1-800-ATCOMPAQ, I can't recall which I dialed),( and ask for QA-6KZAA-H8.  Worked for me.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:12:42 GMTo From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG(- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?d0 Message-ID: <00A08765.CFBA29CF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <3C4E1ACD.44272EA0@mailbag.com>, William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com> writes:D >Sorry if  this is off topic, but this seemed the best place to ask. >sG >For simplicity, I'd like to have a copy of one of the Freeware CDROMs.2 >Unfortunately, according toC >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/index.html it's not-D >available separate from the full cost media kit. Does anyone have a  >spare they'd care to part with? >s >Thanks, >  >William >-- + >You better watch out    What you wish for;,, >It better be worth it   So much to die for.. >                                Courtney Love  H I don't know if I have a spare but I've be willing to burn copies of theI CDs. I don't believe there to be any problem with making a copy as all of H the software is freeware and free to distribute.  Unless, of course, theE CD "compilation" is considered Copyrighted by Compaq (d|i|g|i|t|a|l).:   Hoff???r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.            .J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & HobbesN   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:17:19 GMTa From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGn- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale? 0 Message-ID: <00A08766.754EE252@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <3C4E3176.BDAB78E5@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: >William Barnett-Lewis wrote:h >> tF >> Sorry if  this is off topic, but this seemed the best place to ask. >> _I >> For simplicity, I'd like to have a copy of one of the Freeware CDROMs.n >> Unfortunately, according toE >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/index.html it's notbF >> available separate from the full cost media kit. Does anyone have a" >> spare they'd care to part with? >>  
 >> Thanks, >> K
 >> William >> --.- >> You better watch out    What you wish for;y. >> It better be worth it   So much to die for.0 >>                                 Courtney Love >gD >Why not just download what you need from the net?  I don't have theG >freeware CD so I just get what I need from there.  Just as easy.   And I >if you are really wanted a CD, just burn your own.  Not that hard with ar >highspeed Internet connection.  >--  >s	 >Regards,  >o" >Michael Austin  -- AVAILABLE NOW!8 >First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com >President/Sr. Consultant0 >704-947-1089 (Office) >t    G FYI, I have all of the Freeware CDs (V1, V2, V3, V4 and V5) on-line viatG my InfoServer/InfoTowers.  They are presently off-line until the end of-G the week when my new big MoFo UPS arrives and is installed.  If you areBC interested, check next in week at:  http://www.tmesis.com/freeware/   e --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            sJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:00:21 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>l- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?-+ Message-ID: <3C4EDE15.1D5708C8@caltech.edu>    John Forkosh wrote:9 > D > I purchased Freeware 5 CD from them back on Sept 4, 2001, for $25.H > Call 1-800-DIGITAL (or 1-800-ATCOMPAQ, I can't recall which I dialed),* > and ask for QA-6KZAA-H8.  Worked for me.  7 One of my bigger pet peeves.  Since no telephone buttoni8 is labeled with a Q one cannot dial ATCOMPAQ.  I wonder % if they own all numbers ATCOMPA[0-9]?    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 09:43:10 -08000 From: wlewis@mailbag.com (William Barnett-Lewis)- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?p= Message-ID: <63f0b8f5.0201230943.6c5ec9ab@posting.google.com>i  c William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com> wrote in message news:<3C4E1ACD.44272EA0@mailbag.com>...mE > Sorry if  this is off topic, but this seemed the best place to ask.a (snip)  A I have a gentle who is going to provide me with copies of 4 and 5t already.  , The reasons for wanting it on CD are 2 fold:  D 1) My Vaxstation is not currently on the net and will not be until IA get some NAT/Routing foibles straightend out on my Sun Blade 100.   E 2) I have had nothing but trouble trying to install from ISO formated E CDROM's that I've burned with previous downloads. I am presuming thattC being in ODS format the Freeware CD's will be a bit easier for thisl hobbyist newby to work with.    Thanks to all who have answered.   William    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:50:27 -0500 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>m- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale?m2 Message-ID: <3C4EF7E3.649D3122@firstdbasource.com>   William,  A Forget trying to get NAT to work through the SunBlade.  Install ac> linksys(or your favorite brand) router/hub with your DSL/Cable8 connection... let it do the work for you.  Piece of cake   William Barnett-Lewis wrote: > e > William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com> wrote in message news:<3C4E1ACD.44272EA0@mailbag.com>...eG > > Sorry if  this is off topic, but this seemed the best place to ask.n > (snip) > C > I have a gentle who is going to provide me with copies of 4 and 5n
 > already. > . > The reasons for wanting it on CD are 2 fold: > F > 1) My Vaxstation is not currently on the net and will not be until IC > get some NAT/Routing foibles straightend out on my Sun Blade 100.a > G > 2) I have had nothing but trouble trying to install from ISO formatedrG > CDROM's that I've burned with previous downloads. I am presuming thattE > being in ODS format the Freeware CD's will be a bit easier for thisn > hobbyist newby to work with. > " > Thanks to all who have answered. > 	 > Williamr   -- l   Regards,  > Michael Austin  -- Available for Remote SYS/Database/WEB Admin7 First DBA Source, Inc. -- http://www.firstdbasource.com  President/Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:49:56 GMT ) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>o9 Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veteranst' Message-ID: <3C4EF7E4.555783CA@ev1.net>r   Charles Shannon Hendrix wrote: > 9 > In article <name99-1901022044170001@handma2.apple.com>,m) > Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> wrote:e > L > > Apple, of course (and I am quite serious here) no longer do this either.K > > There are still ten variants coded up, but they are all showed to SteveuN > > Jobs, not "the public" who then decides what he wants. Hence the continualJ > > fury by almost everyone but Steve Jobs at the UI decisions in MacOS X. > G > I can't figure out why Steve Jobs gets so much credit.  I have yet to H > read anything about him that doesn't show him to be a perpetual whinerF > who had little to do with creating what Apple is or has, and in fact; > is responsible for some of Apple's worst characteristics.n > D Jobs drove the Mac team *very* hard to get the product out. Read the& book _Insanely Great_, by Steven Levy. >oE > He does bring in good people, to his credit, but they've more oftenr5 > worked around him or in spite of him than with him.s >o; You have to be aware of his RDF...reality distortion field.y > I > I'm sure there is a lot I don't know, but what I do know is frustratingE& > because of the messes he has caused. > > He is messy and tempermental...but Apple would *not* be Apple  without his influences...f   -- >? +-------------------------------------------------------------+r? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |i? +-------------------------------------------------------------+e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:42:33 +0100l/ From: "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl>dD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The5 Message-ID: <a2lt40$1271sm$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de>s  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca...e  ) > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella.-  ( Have you seen what goes into that stuff?  	 <retches>m   --   Mark Wallace ____________________________   You want nanomachines?" I'll give you bloody nanomachines!1 http://humorpages.virtualave.net/m-pages/nmaj.htm  ____________________________   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:30:06 +0000 / From: cbh@ieya.co.REMOVE_THIS.uk (Chris Hedley)aD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The( Message-ID: <eb3m2a.no.ln@teabag.cbhnet>  . According to JF Mezei  <jfmezei@videotron.ca>:L > Nop. My theory is that baby australians are spoon fed some of that stuff 5I > seconds after their umbilical cord is cut. Their system feels instantlyoO > deprived so it learns to accept any substance as food, hence the baby becomesMK > accustomed to that yest infection stuff. But if the baby doesn't get thateL > treatment at birth, he/she is not likely to be able to eat that substance.  I Pah.  Marmite is the closest thing you'll find in this world to ambrosia.   ) > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella.n  G Occasionally for amusement I'll bring a jar back from the shops and seerD how many minutes it'll take to be emptied after the missus finds it.   Chris.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:40:47 GMT.) From: "Alan Jones" <atj@blueyonder.co.uk>rD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The7 Message-ID: <Pqw38.2920$XM5.382442@news1.cableinet.net>   2 "DJR" <bass.a.voice@ntlworld.com> wrote in message& news:3C4DEA60.3B84A44E@ntlworld.com... > Alan Jones wrote:rI > > BrE: scone is usually pronounced 'skon' (I dare not use 'gone' as thee rhyme,L > > because in BrE "gone" is sometimes 'gawn' - old-fashioned posh). "Scone"9 > > rhymed with "own" is by some thought not quite properr >tJ > Some UK English speakers may disagree entirely with this and assert that? > the "correct" pronunciation of scone is to rhyme with "cone".e  K Of course they may, and doubtless regard the 'scon' brigade as uncouth; but J others think it a genteel "spelling pronunciation" most appropriately usedC by those who serve them on paper doileys. As the word is originallyeH Scottish, though possibly derived from Dutch, perhaps a Scot can tell us which version he prefers?   
 Alan Jones   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:37:00 GMTc& From: Odysseus <odysseus1479@yahoo.ca>D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The( Message-ID: <3C4EA0C7.A32D00D9@yahoo.ca>   Pat Durkin wrote:o > @ > Oh, the Vegemite website says J.L. Kraft and his brothers wereE > originally from Canada.  Don't know about that.  Do Canadians enjoyg > Marmite and Vegemite?p > E I do, for one: I slightly prefer Marmite (which is also the one I wasAH given as a child) but it's somewhat harder to find here than Vegemite. I+ usually eat it with peanut butter on toast.X  
 --Odysseus   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:11:33 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>sD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The8 Message-ID: <9adt4ucs5t8fd7jtiqkhesqqtrnla2cvea@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:40:47 GMT, "Alan Jones" <atj@blueyonder.co.uk>i wrote:     >uL >Of course they may, and doubtless regard the 'scon' brigade as uncouth; butK >others think it a genteel "spelling pronunciation" most appropriately usedmD >by those who serve them on paper doileys. As the word is originallyI >Scottish, though possibly derived from Dutch, perhaps a Scot can tell use >which version he prefers?  A As others have said "scone" is pronounced to rhyme with "gone" ineB Scotland unless its the place in which case it rhymes with "moon".E Never rhymes with "cone" in Scotland although usually does in EnglandV but not always.    >o >Alan Jones- >-   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:23:01 -0600S% From: "Pat Durkin" <durk@nothome.com> D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The/ Message-ID: <u4thf4j82e8s81@corp.supernews.com>C  0 "Bruce Hoult" <bruce@hoult.org> wrote in message8 news:bruce-EC7C49.19484723012002@news.paradise.net.nz...6 > In article <3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei > <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote:p >o > > Pat Durkin wrote:eD > > > Oh, the Vegemite website says J.L. Kraft and his brothers wereC > > > originally from Canada.  Don't know about that.  Do Canadiansu enjoyc > > > Marmite and Vegemite?  > >iF > > Nop. My theory is that baby australians are spoon fed some of that stuff  > > 5ZA > > seconds after their umbilical cord is cut. Their system feels 	 instantlyaD > > deprived so it learns to accept any substance as food, hence the baby > > becomes-D > > accustomed to that yest infection stuff. But if the baby doesn't get thatC > > treatment at birth, he/she is not likely to be able to eat thati > > substance. > >yC > Gimme peanut butter any day.  And not that US stuff with loads ofi sugar-C > either.  NZ peanut butter has peanuts, a little salt, and nothingr else.   B There are  some fair-sized companies that produce a natural peanutD butter from just salt and peanuts.  I am able to buy a generic brandE that is  quite good.  In addition, there are  health food and organic B food stores that sell salted and salt-free peanut butter.  I don'tA know anyone who makes their own at home, but understand there are  some.?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:53:03 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The3 Message-ID: <Un2THXOYqLbw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3C4E2B25.7A2F8C9F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes: > O > And what I don't quite get is why the USA is guilty of inflicting Aussies andh@ > Kiwis with Vegemite (it is made by Kraft, a USA corporation).   B    Owned by Phillip Morris which inflicts better known products on
    the world.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:54:53 +0000 / From: Peter Duncanson <mail@peterduncanson.net>oD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The8 Message-ID: <felt4ugisprk8a6h6nf5p506qcobkqnak5@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:16:54 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote:_  N >And what I don't quite get is why the USA is guilty of inflicting Aussies andI >Kiwis with Vegemite (it is made by Kraft, a USA corporation). And poeplesN >complain about a few talibans being held by americans in a tropical "resort".  = There are probably Al-Qaeda rather than Taliban, however theys? are being subjected to "cruel and unusual" treatment -- Marmiteo Deprivation.   --   Peter D. UK   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:15:08 GMTi" From: "Linda V" <linda@nospam.com>D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was TheC Message-ID: <gkB38.35430$Yy3.1867224165@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>s  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Un2THXOYqLbw@eisner.encompasserve.org...u7 > In article <3C4E2B25.7A2F8C9F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeig <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes: > >rE > > And what I don't quite get is why the USA is guilty of inflicting0 Aussies andTA > > Kiwis with Vegemite (it is made by Kraft, a USA corporation).F >wD >    Owned by Phillip Morris which inflicts better known products on >    the world.-  H Well, Phillip Morris as Kraft might put their name on it now, but I'd beF willing to bet good money that it's just because Kraft bought out someL company that bought out some other company that started making the stuff wayD back when.  So who's the primal inflictor?  Is there such a thing as homemade Vegemite?   L    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:00:04 -06002% From: "Pat Durkin" <durk@nothome.com>AD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The/ Message-ID: <u4tqlk9ul3en96@corp.supernews.com>   - "Linda V" <linda@nospam.com> wrote in messageS= news:gkB38.35430$Yy3.1867224165@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...e< > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:Un2THXOYqLbw@eisner.encompasserve.org...e9 > > In article <3C4E2B25.7A2F8C9F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeip  > <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes: > > >.< > > > And what I don't quite get is why the USA is guilty of
 inflicting
 > Aussies andaC > > > Kiwis with Vegemite (it is made by Kraft, a USA corporation).n > >tF > >    Owned by Phillip Morris which inflicts better known products on > >    the world.t >'C > Well, Phillip Morris as Kraft might put their name on it now, buta I'd beC > willing to bet good money that it's just because Kraft bought out  someD > company that bought out some other company that started making the	 stuff wayvF > back when.  So who's the primal inflictor?  Is there such a thing as > homemade Vegemite?  9 How right you are! (v. this excerpt from my post of 1/22)b  = 'Hey, Kraft never imposed Vegemite on Oz.  It is native born.r  ' cite:  from Kraft Canada.  do a Google.? "1923-F  VEGEMITE Yeast Spread is introduced in Australia by Fred Walker & Co.C of Melbourne. In 1926, Kraft Cheese Company acquires an interest inr the company.  < Why did Vegemite, which has been owned by the American KraftE corporation since 1935 but never exported, become a cultural icon and C a staple food in Australian households? Because it's cheap and easyc/ and, above all, because it tastes fantastic." '-   PatA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:03:04 -0500o% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>tD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The, Message-ID: <3C4EFAD6.FC4AA2D0@videotron.ca>   Pat Durkin wrote:_E > a staple food in Australian households? Because it's cheap and easyO1 > and, above all, because it tastes fantastic." '.  H If it tastes so fantastic, how come people born outside of Australia/NewD Zeland find that substance absolutely disgusting and unfit for human
 consumption ?t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:41:23 GMT ! From: Robert Ngan <rngan@csc.com>bY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The       demise       oy8 Message-ID: <MPG.16b7a45f1ee0125989682@news.verizon.net>  I In article <a2jr5c$bof$1@helle.btinternet.com>, Darkb00ng@btinternet.com n says...o [snip] > ? > No, I wasn't able to find a close match to my limey idea of ae? > scone or crumpet in the USA either. On the other hand I notedi= > that in general your Bagels were a ton better than the oness > available to us over here. >  [snip] > 	 > Cheers,  > Rupert >  >  >   E The supermarkets in Chicago regularly had crumpets on sale (at least I- what I consider to be crumpets [I'm a Kiwi]).i# Haven't found any in Dallas though!y   -- g Robert Ngani CSC Financial Services Group   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:39:33 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>oY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The      demise       ofi8 Message-ID: <u5mt4uceghsiqla9slpgbb4trpl9k56cbb@4ax.com>  / On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:51:11 GMT, Tim Llewellynv' <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:-  B >Buns are sweet, rolls are not, don't they teach you that up there  D And don't get me started on the McDonalds "sandwich" which is a roll@ not a sandwich. I'll accept "burger bun" at a push but sandwich?   :-)    >multiple smiliesC >r >regards   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:47:41 +0000h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>HY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The      demise       ofw8 Message-ID: <8omt4ug6l4agekutl0936aac5nb9jv2q7f@4ax.com>  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:07:28 -0500, shannon@news.widomaker.com  (Charles Shannon Hendrix) wrote:  - >In article <3C4C3015.840DE022@videotron.ca>,m( >JF Mezei  <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote:H >> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:27:53 GMT, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> >> > sprachen: >> > tH >> > >I keep telling people that English muffins are neither English nor >> > >muffins :-)D >> 2 >> aL >> Agree that they are not muffins. But arent "english muffins" a very close= >> relative to crumpets which are (I believe) quite british ?w >> oQ >> Also, in New Zealand, they have "scones" which I believe that are also related ( >> to the crumpet/english muffin family. >lG >Scones in the US, at least back at home, is a very large sweet buscuitB- >cut into triangles, and the recipe is Irish.    Sounds like "shortbread" -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:07:28 -0500n: From: shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix)Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The demise       of comp-. Message-ID: <00rl2a.5pg.ln@escape.shannon.net>  , In article <3C4C3015.840DE022@videotron.ca>,' JF Mezei  <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote:FG > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:27:53 GMT, CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>c
 > > sprachen:a > > G > > >I keep telling people that English muffins are neither English nory > > >muffins :-) >  > K > Agree that they are not muffins. But arent "english muffins" a very closee< > relative to crumpets which are (I believe) quite british ? > P > Also, in New Zealand, they have "scones" which I believe that are also related' > to the crumpet/english muffin family.t  F Scones in the US, at least back at home, is a very large sweet buscuit, cut into triangles, and the recipe is Irish.     -- .  H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:15:02 -0500g: From: shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix)Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The demise       of compd. Message-ID: <6erl2a.5pg.ln@escape.shannon.net>  , In article <3C4DFC4D.B92D87F7@videotron.ca>,' JF Mezei  <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote:t > Chris Hedley wrote:nG > > Dunno if this is what you're getting at, but for a moment I had theeG > > song "Now He's A Poof" running through my mind (from the Macc Lads'e1 > > fine album, "Beer and Sex and Chips'n'Gravy")/ >  > / > Here is another one an Aussie can ask a yank:- > - > A poof jumps on your back, what do you do ?M > 	1- do you let him do it,  > or	2- do you pull him off ?Y  D I don't get it... we know what a poof is.  I thought that originated@ over here.  In fact, two Aussies I met don't know what it means.   ????  E The best time I've had with misunderstanding was working in the local>E financial district.  Lot's of guys from India there, as well as a fewgE Brits.  The brits and yanks knew each other's slang mostly and it was G priceless to watch the bewildered faces of the Indians who were largelytI ignorant of both.  At times they heard things which obviously caused themaD great alarm, judging from their perspective.  But the funniest timesE were when they attempted to imitate or use profanity.  It just didn'tdD come out right.  All the more funny because one of them was a friendE of mine.  Indian, but who grew up in London and was over 6 feet tall.fI No one else thought it was so funny, but I used to crack up when he wouldoG tell people, in a heavy Londoner's accent, "You know, I'm no' Bri'ish".o     -- e  H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:44:59 -0500 : From: shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix)O Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re:     The demh. Message-ID: <rkil2a.4re.ln@escape.shannon.net>  7 In article <name99-1901022044170001@handma2.apple.com>, ' Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> wrote:-  J > Apple, of course (and I am quite serious here) no longer do this either.I > There are still ten variants coded up, but they are all showed to Steve-L > Jobs, not "the public" who then decides what he wants. Hence the continualH > fury by almost everyone but Steve Jobs at the UI decisions in MacOS X.  E I can't figure out why Steve Jobs gets so much credit.  I have yet to$F read anything about him that doesn't show him to be a perpetual whinerD who had little to do with creating what Apple is or has, and in fact9 is responsible for some of Apple's worst characteristics.   C He does bring in good people, to his credit, but they've more often_3 worked around him or in spite of him than with him.l  G I'm sure there is a lot I don't know, but what I do know is frustrating_$ because of the messes he has caused.     -- -  H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:46:49 -0500d: From: shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix)K Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was Re: The demt. Message-ID: <9ppl2a.5pg.ln@escape.shannon.net>  1 In article <d9J28.902$Lv.126886@news.xtra.co.nz>,e/ Geoff McCaughan <geoffm@spam.hormel.com> wrote:n, > Charles Richmond (richmond@ev1.net) wrote: > @ > > Like my old Daddy used to say:  "You'd complain if they hung" > > you with a new rope!!!"  (;-)) > D > Hereabouts it was always: "You'd complain if your arse was on fire$ > and I pissed on it to put it out!"  C If you could have used the bucket of water sitting behind me, yeah,a I'd complain.  Wouldn't you?       -- n  H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:02:28 -0500 : From: shannon@news.widomaker.com (Charles Shannon Hendrix)X Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of   compaq ). Message-ID: <kmql2a.5pg.ln@escape.shannon.net>  : In article <MPG.16b7302946ca1b8c9896f3@enews.newsguy.com>,- Keith R. Williams  <krw@attglobal.net> wrote: 5 > In article <OM038.1330$Lv.178336@news.xtra.co.nz>, d  > geoffm@spam.hormel.com says.../ > > Robert Knowles (knowles.dr@home.com) wrote:m > > > @ > > > Or the expression "I'm stuffed" after eating a large meal. > > > 7 > > > Means an entirely different thing to Australians.s > > I > > Probably would be quite well understood by most Australians actually,iB > > though I do remember an incident of confusion when an American6 > > announced that some circuit boards were 'stuffed'. > > : > > Then there's the potenial for confusion with 'root'... > J > A friend of ours, when checking into an Engish hotel, was asked whether C > she's like to be "knocked up in the morning". It certainly had a  + > different meaning for her than the clerk!-  F What was the lines in some computer manuals from Britain talking about) "chips that pass in the night" all about?r         -- s  H UNIX/Perl/C/Pizza__________________________________shannon@widomaker.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:10:06 +0000s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>aX Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of   compaq )8 Message-ID: <lv5t4uktkptnrv18sfme9jb9uo7kvm9om6@4ax.com>  5 On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:16:17 -0500, Keith R. Williams  <krw@attglobal.net> wrote:    I >A friend of ours, when checking into an Engish hotel, was asked whether -B >she's like to be "knocked up in the morning". It certainly had a * >different meaning for her than the clerk!  F Sure that wasn't Fawlty Towers she checked into? Or maybe she got lostA in a "Carry On" film. If a clerk in an English hotel said that heaB would be well aware of the innuendo. Probably thought he could get away with it to a yank :)   F I should stay away from this ridiculous cross-post I know but a friendC who works for Sky tv when visiting Fox (sister company) tells me he F got some funny looks after telling the yanks he couldn't do a thing inD the morning until after he'd had a fag in his mouth. In this contextB fag means cigarette in the UK although the innuendo would still be there.   >----t
 >   Keith    -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:54:18 GMTs' From: gardnert@logica.com (Tom Gardner) X Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of   compaq )> Message-ID: <Xns919F791B2608Dgardnertlogicacom@193.123.204.68>  ) Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in d- <lv5t4uktkptnrv18sfme9jb9uo7kvm9om6@4ax.com>:8  6 >On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:16:17 -0500, Keith R. Williams ><krw@attglobal.net> wrote:E >4 >9K >> A friend of ours, when checking into an Engish hotel, was asked whether nD >> she's like to be "knocked up in the morning". It certainly had a , >> different meaning for her than the clerk! >KG >Sure that wasn't Fawlty Towers she checked into? Or maybe she got lostuB >in a "Carry On" film. If a clerk in an English hotel said that heC >would be well aware of the innuendo. Probably thought he could gett >away with it to a yank :) >fG >I should stay away from this ridiculous cross-post I know but a friendrD >who works for Sky tv when visiting Fox (sister company) tells me heG >got some funny looks after telling the yanks he couldn't do a thing indE >the morning until after he'd had a fag in his mouth. In this contextlC >fag means cigarette in the UK although the innuendo would still be  >there.h  E Back in the 1950s, there was a newspaper article about the retirementt8 of the last knocker up employed by Durham City Council.   A Caused no end of amusement to my parents' US friends; nice to sees the old jokes continue!l   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 23 Jan 02 11:11:01 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com X Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of   compaq )+ Message-ID: <a2mdch$o3i$5@bob.news.rcn.net>   8 In article <lv5t4uktkptnrv18sfme9jb9uo7kvm9om6@4ax.com>,)    Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:v6 >On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:16:17 -0500, Keith R. Williams ><krw@attglobal.net> wrote:s >e >eJ >>A friend of ours, when checking into an Engish hotel, was asked whether C >>she's like to be "knocked up in the morning". It certainly had a  + >>different meaning for her than the clerk!g >tG >Sure that wasn't Fawlty Towers she checked into? Or maybe she got lost B >in a "Carry On" film. If a clerk in an English hotel said that heC >would be well aware of the innuendo. Probably thought he could get- >away with it to a yank :) >:G >I should stay away from this ridiculous cross-post I know but a friendRD >who works for Sky tv when visiting Fox (sister company) tells me heG >got some funny looks after telling the yanks he couldn't do a thing in1E >the morning until after he'd had a fag in his mouth. In this context'C >fag means cigarette in the UK although the innuendo would still bes >there.e  = Heh.  These days, in the USA, he'ld have received those funnyl> looks even if they had interpreted the word to mean cigarette.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:27:49 -0500t% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>eY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of compaq ) coL, Message-ID: <3C4EAC44.76E690EB@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:pH > got some funny looks after telling the yanks he couldn't do a thing in6 > the morning until after he'd had a fag in his mouth.  L I was in a youth hostel in NZ where the hosts were couple and it looked/feltK like Fawlty tower (they even had had a bird drop into the water tank on thecM roof). Anyways, the couple has a mild argument and the wife tells the husbandf& she is going to town to get some fags.  J I figured that perhaps the couple was quite liberated and that the husbandL didn't mind the wife fooling around with gays... until I learned of the real* meaning of the word "fag" in intl english.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:26:40 +0100b, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>6 Subject: [OffTheTopic] private Reflector for CU seeme?& Message-ID: <3C4F005F.B60F50F8@gmx.ch>  O Well, excuse the question here but I do not know where to post it and as I know F that most of VMSers are Macintoshers too, I'm sure i'll get an answer.  O I'm looking for a White Pine reflector running on a Mac to do streaming betweengK two systems connected via the Internet, using CU see me. I tried the publicoN reflectors, it works but they are public and anybody will be able to watch theL video. As I usually do not share my telephone line with the World, I wish to avoid it with video too.   Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:29:39 +0100w1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> : Subject: Re: [OffTheTopic] private Reflector for CU seeme?5 Message-ID: <3C4F0113.97305ED4@swissonline.delete.ch>t   Didier Morandi wrote:d > Q > Well, excuse the question here but I do not know where to post it and as I knoweH > that most of VMSers are Macintoshers too, I'm sure i'll get an answer.  ! ??? Cough, hawk, spit... what ???   C VMS is level-headed, not at all like Steve Jobs.  Or are my sourcesh entirely wrong on that issue ?    Q > I'm looking for a White Pine reflector running on a Mac to do streaming between M > two systems connected via the Internet, using CU see me. I tried the public2P > reflectors, it works but they are public and anybody will be able to watch theN > video. As I usually do not share my telephone line with the World, I wish to > avoid it with video too.  . Oh dear... not those French videos *again* ???   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.044 ************************