0 INFO-VAX	Thu, 24 Jan 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 46      Contents: Re: A position statement Re: A position statement Be A Winner!  191  Re: Big MIME problems  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word?  Re: bkjfn is an English word? = Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... = Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... ( Re: Configuring Dec net over serial port( Re: Configuring Dec net over serial port Deleting page and swap files  Re: Deleting page and swap files Re: dump files/ Errors on a Shadow Set Member - Should I worry? 3 Re: Errors on a Shadow Set Member - Should I worry? & Re: ethernet boot diskless VAX-11/730?; EU Continues Compaq Talks with HP - no decision yet reached % EU set to approve HP buyout of Compaq - Even Intel thinks Itanic isn't Proprietary... 1 Re: Even Intel thinks Itanic isn't Proprietary... & Fortran 2xxx (was: RE: compiler group); Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! ; RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility! 2 RE: Hewlett, Packard Step Up Merger Battle with HPI Re: laws (was: RE: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!)  Re: LYNX for OpenVMS New VMS newsgroup  Re: New VMS newsgroup  NFS v3 and UCX/TCPIP Re: NFS v3 and UCX/TCPIP Re: NFS v3 and UCX/TCPIP No logical name match at boot ! Re: No logical name match at boot O Nutella and cows[was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( wasThe] P Re: Nutella and cows[was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( wasT% Oh dear... 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(Joel Gallun)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:44:34 +0100 $ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>! Subject: Re: A position statement / Message-ID: <aIQ38.30$l43.1492@news.get2net.dk>    Below... ----- Original Message -----3 From: "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms ' Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:42 PM ! Subject: Re: A position statement      >  >  > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > >  > ... (snip) > > J > > It is completely relevant and there is no notion or explicit reference thatJ > > I recall, that such an "assumption" has been made.  Please point to it for  > > my edification.  > > K > > It is the same information that the analysts, customers and journalists  et. > > > al. use to evaluate and form opinions and recommendations. > > A > > Matters of public record are completely legitimate sources of  information B > > for analysing the actions and motivations of a company and its executives. J > > The quality of much of this information is guaranteed by quite a largeJ > > number of laws.  It may not all be perfectly accurate, it may at times beC > > incomplete and obfuscated, but EVERYONE on the outside with the  inclination K > > and interest (and this includes all the Gartner types and Goldman Sachs H > > types as well as you and me) use this and other (sometimes privately@ > > obtained) information to form the information base for their conclusions.I > > When corporations are caught out lying, the results are usually not a  prettyJ > > sight, so most individuals involved do not unless they absolutely have noJ > > choice.  We, as recipients must rely to a large extent on the veracity ofF > > published and recorded statements from companies and its officers. > > K > > You can dispute the information's veracity, but you must do so based on H > > alternative verifiable sources, otherwise you position is untenable. > > K > > You can dispute the reasoning based on theoretical logic or alternative  > > reasoning/explanation. > >  > A > Doc, I am not saying that Bill cannot draw conclusions from the = > published data but such conclusions - based on assumptions, H > probabilities and just plain guess work - is only OPINION.  Compaq hasE > not, to my knowledge, confirmed Bill's opinion and this is the only . > action that would make his comments factual. >   L It has however by statements in the public record confirmed his basic facts.I In order to dispute conclusions, you must offer alternate, credible facts I (see  previous post) and alternate credible analysis and/or prove logical , flaws.  It is really quite a simple concept.  L The "its just your opinion" is the catchcry of the intellectually incapable.L Judging from other posts, I do not think you are itellectually incapable, soL I do not understand your approach.  Maybe you just do not like Bill (or me).  I Also, the corporate accounts of CompaQ filed with the FTC or whoever they J file with, are an opinion.  I do not have a copy at hand, but the standardH auditing cover statement is usually edifying reading.  If you are not anK accountant (or at least someone who got past Accounting 101) this might not  be obvious to you.  L My point here, is that reasoned opinion based on public record is as good as
 it gets !!  F > I am also confident that there are business reasons that Compaq haveE > never disclosed, and without the knowledge of those reasons Bill is  > indulging in speculation.  >   E I do not recall Bill suggesting that his analyses of CompaQs apparent L motives were statements of fact.  There are sufficient facts (events, publicE statements etc) to support his (and others') conclusion as to CompaQs K montives.  Other conclusions might be possible, but in order to be credible . they must not be in conflict with known facts.  H > His attempts to present it as facts - with comments that Compaq *will*D > do this or *will* do that - is more speculation, speculation that,H > because it is unconfirmed, is only slightly different to FUD from Sun, > IBM and others.  > F > His approach is destructive to VMS and, according to contacts withinJ > Compaq, is only hardening the company's attitude to this newsgroup.  (ItG > is unfortunate that the times when one may want to know the source of G > certain information are also usually the times that to disclose those - > sources would be most detrimental to them.)  >   L How ?  Because you do not like what he says ? Because you have evidence thatI customers are selling their VMS kit because "Bill badmouthed CompaQ" ? or # because Dweeb is manic depressive ?   
 Please ...  H > Constantly hounding Compaq over a decision made almost 7 months ago isE > extremely unlikely to cause a reversal of that decision.   The cake F > mixture as been beaten together and the individual components reallyH > cannot now be extracted.  The very most that can be hoped for are someJ > minor concessions and because of this I can see almost nothing in Bill'sJ > action that is in any way positive for VMS.  (It is just barely possibleG > that something might happen if the merger failed and Tru64 could work F > with VMS and thus provide the financial support for Alpha, but to me > this is a very long shot.) >   L Bill's form of response is the basic premise of accountability.  That is why) we have the press (amongst other things).   C > Instead of being retro-active we need to be pro-active and try to H > prevent actions that are detrimental to VMS.  We need to bring about a= > change of mindset with the pivotal decision-influencers and   > decision-makers within Compaq. >   K Both of these things are necessary.  Unless you *like* picking up the soap.   D > Now for my money there are two real possibilities and these may be( > independent or may be acting together. > H > The first option is that the decision-advisors are presenting VMS in aG > poor light and their comments are being accepted at face value by the H > decision-makers.  In particular the senior marketing people (operatingE > across the tops of the four groups) may be saying that according to B > their sources VMS has no real future and there is no significantE > potential market for it, and that to promote it would be a complete  > waste of money and time. > A > The second option is that the decision-makers have reached this I > conclusion for themselves, perhaps against the advice of their advisory ( > teams or perhaps in greemet with them. > H > The problem is that we don't know which situation applies, but we needE > to know this in order to raise effective counter-arguments.  If the H > obstacle is only the advisors then we can go over them and communicateA > directly with Capellas (et al) who make decisions about company G > strategy.  If the obstacles touch the actual decision-makers then the D > only way to step over them is to communiate with the shareholders. >    Indeed.   ? > I am inclined to think that it is the decision-makers because F > (a)  Michael Cappellas was a CIO and should know his stuff about IT,  K I can personally name a few CIOs whose technology savvy could be written on I the back of a postage stamp.  FYI, I once had to explain basic accounting L (you know, debit, credit etc) to the CFO of a $100m company.  Am I making my point ?   C > (b)  the continued emphasis on PCs is illogical when personal PCs  > constantly lose money   H From one viewpoint.  But remember, these guys all have MASSIVE egos.  InG order to be a $36B they need to sell a zillion somethings (in this case E PCs).  They care more about size than ANYTHING else.  The phrase "big I swinging dick" from my Wall Street days comes to mind.  They NEED PCs for K reasons other than profitability.  This is a possible contibuting factor as E to why they love PCs as much as they do.  Historical success would be  another.  F > (c)  downplaying of the most productive assets is a decision that is > made at the top of the tree  >    Probably  G > I have seen various comments that Capellas is a smart and honest guy, J > but then Enron was claimed to be a well-run company.  I just don't know. >    Good point.   I > All I do know is that we need to address the obstacle (or obstacles) to E > VMS, not some event in the past and especially not in a way that is  > detrimental to VMS.  >   F Not all of us believe that demanding of accountability is detrimental.   > 
 > John McLean    Dweeb.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:00:01 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: A position statement < Message-ID: <ROR38.3086$%h1.1347070@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  / "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in message ) news:aIQ38.30$l43.1492@news.get2net.dk...   0 <part of the Good Doctor's prescription snipped> > E > > (b)  the continued emphasis on PCs is illogical when personal PCs  > > constantly lose money  > J > From one viewpoint.  But remember, these guys all have MASSIVE egos.  InI > order to be a $36B they need to sell a zillion somethings (in this case 6 > PCs).  They care more about size than ANYTHING else.  J So did the owners of the White Star Line. They cared a lot more about size  than they did about lifeboats...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:55:04 GMT  From: udhzid@winwinwin.com Subject: Be A Winner!  1918 Message-ID: <YTX38.51851$Bw6.1290679@news.webusenet.com>   BE A WINNER!!!  5 Send in US$5.00 to the address below and be a winner!   - Make all cheques and money orders payable to:    Ian Rich   188 Stanley Tce  Taringa QLD 4068	 Australia   [ ..and if you forward this message to four of your friends, you will go into the major draw.    GOOD LUCK!!! jfgehnghnyqicrqcrkwijhugxwmcyn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:55:01 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: Big MIME problems' Message-ID: <3C4FCBE5.EEE41822@aaa.com>    OK. 3 I use the mpack/NBL combo to mail attachements from 5 VMS. I found NBL much easier to use then SFF. Just to    $ mpack ......$ $ mail somefile "nbl%""user@....."""  & No need to build tmp files on-the-fly./ My attachements are more or less only ZIP's, so  it's only 512 block files...  8 And, yes, NBL talks smtp directly with your smtp server,6 either the same TCPIP install as you are running on or9 some other smtp server. But you never have to "see" this.    YMMV, of course    Jan-Erik Sderholm   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > Jan-Erik, Chris,H > Thanks for your replies. The problem has been acknowledged as a bug by" > Compaq, and I have a workaround.H > Despite this problem, I  must say MIME works well in batch mode if you& > know how to get it do what you want.D > I checked mpack and munpack, but it seems that mpack can only packJ > binary files (512 byte blocks). I can't use that in this case, because a( > letter is not a binary file of course.I > Furthermore we use SFF to send the mail message. The reason for this is F > that this way we have total control over the headers of the message.2 > Mime doesn't send the message, it just packs it.G > It seems there is even a way to directly send a attachment with mail, E > using Unix style SMTP commands. (this applies to TCPIP V5.x afaik).    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 01:59:19 -0800 From: a.greig@virgin.net& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?) Message-ID: <a2oltn02g96@drn.newsguy.com>   ? In article <a2n73p$8r$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" says...  >  > ; >"Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message . >news:fW75ykHY6RYt@eisner.encompasserve.org... >>J >>    "bkjfn"  OK, so what is this, and how did it get into the 50000 word2 >>    dictionary that set password checks against? >> > I >It comes from TOPS-20, according to a Google search (the BKJFN% JSYS, if  >that  >means anything.  K bkjfn% backed up a file position pointer by one byte ( = back jfn)in a file O opened for byte mode read. Might be used in a program which looked ahead at the O next byte (bin% = byte in) before passing control onto another routine with the 0 previously looked at byte ready to be read again  *                           BKJFN    JSYS 42  8    Backs up the source designator's pointer by one byte.  %    ACCEPTS IN AC1:  Source designator   .    RETURNS     +1:  Failure, error code in AC1  I                +2:  Success, updated string pointer in AC1, if pertinent. B                     (This return actually decrements the pointer.)  I    The BKJFN call, when referring to a terminal,  can  be  executed  only I    once  per  TTY  to  back  up  one character.  The BKJFN call cannot beeI    issued again for the same TTY unless the input buffer has been cleared B    (with the CFIBF JSYS) or an input JSYS is executed for the TTY.  I    BKJFN, when referring to other designators, can be executed more  thand    once in succession.  B    This call cannot be used with the DECnet devices SRV:  or DCN:.      BKJFN ERROR MNEMONICS::  2    DESX1:    Invalid source/destination designator2    DESX2:    Terminal is not available to this job     DESX3:    JFN is not assigned    DESX5:    File is not openv6    BKJFX1:   Illegal to back up terminal pointer twice3    SFPTX2:   Illegal to reset pointer for this fileh     SFPTX3:   Invalid byte number    TTYX01:   Line is not activee          J >I see it also has POPJ, MOVEI, JFCL, HRROI, SYSTAT, TECO (but no EMACS ;) >and probably others.  > L >I thought someone might have added them to EISNER, but they're on my system >too.r >aF >So, some of the PDP-10 and TOPS-[10,20] operating system made it into >VMS after all ;]  >u
 >-Malcolm. >  >u >i   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:08:13 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?3 Message-ID: <raNHfXl7scjw@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  c In article <a2n73p$8r$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes:  > J > It comes from TOPS-20, according to a Google search (the BKJFN% JSYS, if > that > means anything.U > K > I see it also has POPJ, MOVEI, JFCL, HRROI, SYSTAT, TECO (but no EMACS ;)e > and probably others.  B    That makes sense.  I've been away from TOPS-20 much too long to    remember all the JSYS names.s   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:12:09 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?3 Message-ID: <61djnWcJB+OA@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  d In article <a2n7ie$2e1$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > K > What I _do_ find hard to believe is that the password dictionary does notb	 > containMK > ascending and descending letter sequences. So, as long as it isn't in therK > password _history_, you can set passwords like ABCDEFG... This could be a' > big problem if you > turned password history off!  B    I used the LGI hooks to add a screen that disallowed alphabeticB    sequences, keyboard sequences, and other things I dreamed up asE    weak passwords.  It also enforced requirements for non-alphabetic eF    characters.  I'm seriously thinking of digging it up and installing    it on my current systems.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:07:12 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?3 Message-ID: <kGdQMLUaAy7Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <a2mnjq$ha0$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:e > In article <fW75ykHY6RYt@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:n >>I >>   "bkjfn"  OK, so what is this, and how did it get into the 50000 worda1 >>   dictionary that set password checks against?e > Q > Are you sure that it is in this dictionary? It might be that it is the password = > of someone else and that it is not allowed for that reason.e  F    It's in sys$library:vms$password_dictionay.data and I didn't put itF    there.  There's no code built into VMS or added on by us that wouldA    disallow two people having the same password.  Such code would   B       a) have to keep an unencrytable copy of the passwords around.       b) provide a password guessing mechanism   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:01:14 -0000-* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?, Message-ID: <a2mtp6$280a@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:fW75ykHY6RYt@eisner.encompasserve.org...J  I >    "bkjfn"  OK, so what is this, and how did it get into the 50000 word 1 >    dictionary that set password checks against?p   To annoy TOPS-20 refugees ;)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:43:06 +0100n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> & Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?' Message-ID: <3C501D7A.89F7F1CF@aaa.com>y  G Even better perhaps to disallow two passwords with the same hash value.t< Then you don't have to keep the plain text password, but can< check durectly with the stored hash. One could issue a errorB message like "Same password already used by other user!". It realyA doesn't matter if it wasn't exactly the same plain text password,sB the user could never check that anyhow without asking everybody...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.o       Bob Koehler wrote: > @ >    There's no code built into VMS or added on by us that wouldC >    disallow two people having the same password.  Such code woulde > D >       a) have to keep an unencrytable copy of the passwords around0 >       b) provide a password guessing mechanism   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:50:00 -0000e* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?+ Message-ID: <a2p6uk$3ei@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>a  U "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message news:3C501D7A.89F7F1CF@aaa.com...eI > Even better perhaps to disallow two passwords with the same hash value.e> > Then you don't have to keep the plain text password, but can& > check durectly with the stored hash.  J Except that two users with the same password are unlikely to have the sameO hash value. You could compute a different hash value, and store that separatelyo but that's getting messy.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:32:03 +0100 (MET)s9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?; Message-ID: <01KDGHBQMOJS8ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>y  I > Even better perhaps to disallow two passwords with the same hash value.lD > Then you don't have to keep the plain text password, but can checkE > durectly with the stored hash. One could issue a error message likei/ > "Same password already used by other user!". s  F User A enters a text string and is told that some other user has this ? string as a password?  Doesn't fit in with my idea of security!r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:47:51 +0100h9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>o& Subject: Re: bkjfn is an English word?' Message-ID: <3C503AB7.43655349@aaa.com>    Oops, that was a blunder !!   / Only "Same password already used by user XYZ !"t could have been worse :-)t   Just forget about it...h   Jan-Erik Sderholm.v   Phillip Helbig wrote:d > K > > Even better perhaps to disallow two passwords with the same hash value.AF > > Then you don't have to keep the plain text password, but can checkG > > durectly with the stored hash. One could issue a error message like 0 > > "Same password already used by other user!". > G > User A enters a text string and is told that some other user has thiseA > string as a password?  Doesn't fit in with my idea of security!    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:16:30 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)(F Subject: Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ...3 Message-ID: <ASPMzq8ilBJV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <bd7u4usm59s2ef29o4gf11tpqur2p0f8ta@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:D > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:39:56 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk > wrote: > Q >>As a matter of interest are there any new standards about to be produced in thei8 >>next couple of years eg Cobol 2003, Fortran 2005 etc ? > B > Yes - Fortran 2000, as it is currently called, will probably getC > approved sometime in 2003 or 2004.  It is a big leap from Fortran 	 > (19)90.u  E    I'm still trying to learn 95.  Are there websites where we can seet"    what concepts are being worked?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:11:33 -0500.+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> F Subject: Re: compiler group (was: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ...8 Message-ID: <u4c05ugbfeu9b3n94cohvfjqf96sm89a6g@4ax.com>  F On 24 Jan 2002 08:16:30 -0600, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:    R >>>As a matter of interest are there any new standards about to be produced in the9 >>>next couple of years eg Cobol 2003, Fortran 2005 etc ?  >> iC >> Yes - Fortran 2000, as it is currently called, will probably gettD >> approved sometime in 2003 or 2004.  It is a big leap from Fortran
 >> (19)90. >nF >   I'm still trying to learn 95.  Are there websites where we can see# >   what concepts are being worked?g  F Dan Nagle wrote a very nice article for the February 2002 issue of Dr.E Dobb's Journal (http://www.ddj.com/) on the topic, but the article isy not on the website yet.s  F There's probably a good summary on the web somewhere, but I don't haveE a reference offhand.  The general areas of enhancement (cribbing fromt Dan's article) are:-   - Enhancements to derived typesn - Object-oriented features  - Data manipulation enhancements - Input/Output enhancementst - Interoperability with C   F Don't expect all of this to instantly show up in mainstream compilers.D Some of the features are trickling in already - such as "allocatable= components of derived types" now in the latest Compaq Fortranr releases.  g       Steve Lionel Compaq Fortran Engineering Intel Corporatione
 Nashua, NH  . Compaq Fortran - http://www.compaq.com/fortranK Intel Fortran - http://developer.intel.com/software/products/compilers/f50/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:32:10 +0100s= From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>e1 Subject: Re: Configuring Dec net over serial portr5 Message-ID: <3C4FE2AA.C472D5ED@contrastmediagroep.nl>t   Chris Bardell wrote:   G > But a good point, nonetheless. Anyway, is the suggestion of Kermit ofu+ > any use for the originator of this topic?c   Or use slip.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:09:36 +0000u% From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>h1 Subject: Re: Configuring Dec net over serial portI' Message-ID: <3C504DE0.B3B34CA8@iee.org>h   JF Mezei wrote:hK > What about if the alpha is running the good old decnet-4 ? Would DDCMP be 
 > available ?a  # Unless something has changed, therel is no DDCMP on Alpha.h  " PPP might be an option these days.   Antonio    -- e   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:31:20 +0000l1 From: Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net> % Subject: Deleting page and swap files - Message-ID: <3C4FF088.8F1ABDA4@starpower.net>Y  G I just added local page and swap files to a satellite VAX Station in myoE cluster.  How do I get rid of the original page and swap files on then clusterpE disk?  I tried deinstall /pagefile in sysgen and got an error message  about % the file being permanently installed.   E If I bring down the satellite node and use another node to delete then files # on the cluster disk will that work?m  C I'm also going to do this on the other two nodes, both 4000/106A's.o  F Also, is there any way to move the dump files off of the system disk?  BothH of the 4000's have 128 Megs of ram, and I have a third 4000 to install, I which also has 128 Megs of ram.  And I have about a dozen 3100 satellite wE nodes to add to the cluster.  With a 1 Gig DSSI cluster disk the dump  files . are just too large to keep on the system disk.   I'm running VMS 7.1e   Thanks   Robert   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:48:09 GMTu1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>o) Subject: Re: Deleting page and swap fileso2 Message-ID: <3C503B3B.F4E18BA8@clarityconnect.com>  3 Rename the files, reboot and then delete the files.V   Robert DiRosario wrote:e > I > I just added local page and swap files to a satellite VAX Station in my G > cluster.  How do I get rid of the original page and swap files on the0	 > clustermG > disk?  I tried deinstall /pagefile in sysgen and got an error message  > about ' > the file being permanently installed.h > G > If I bring down the satellite node and use another node to delete thes > files$% > on the cluster disk will that work?f > E > I'm also going to do this on the other two nodes, both 4000/106A's.i > G > Also, is there any way to move the dump files off of the system disk?r > BothI > of the 4000's have 128 Megs of ram, and I have a third 4000 to install,bJ > which also has 128 Megs of ram.  And I have about a dozen 3100 satelliteG > nodes to add to the cluster.  With a 1 Gig DSSI cluster disk the dumpi > filesi0 > are just too large to keep on the system disk. >  > I'm running VMS 7.1- >  > Thanks >  > Robert   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:58:34 -0500 ' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>  Subject: Re: dump filest' Message-ID: <3C503D3A.C6A456BD@gce.com>w  T Besides renaming, reboot, delete, investigate the SYSGEN parameter "dumpstyle" also.P You can arrange to dump only active memory, to have dumps compressed, and to getR things that are thought to be vital to figuring what caused a crash written first.O Dumping a bare memory image is not the only option, and the others are good forhP letting you get by with a considerably smaller dump file on systems that support the dumpstyle parameter. "  7 On older Vaxen with older VMS you have fewer options...y   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 07:18:32 -0800B From: johns_spam_address@yahoo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BFfooguy=3F?=)8 Subject: Errors on a Shadow Set Member - Should I worry?= Message-ID: <a50fcf68.0201240718.34f39c69@posting.google.com>V  ? A disk in one of my shadow sets is showing errors, but is stillrC online. I'm not sure if they're "hard" errors or "soft" errors, butgF I'm wondering if I should replace the disk. These are not StorageworksE Modules, but the newer Compaq modular style disks in an external 4254  disk shelf.u   $ SH ERR, Device                           Error Count* $56$DKC100: (BARIUM)                    50     $ SH DEV DKC100/FULL@ Disk DSA100:, device type Generic SCSI disk, is online, mounted,D file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.t  F Error count         0          Operations completed           13697040F Owner process       ""         Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]F Owner process ID    00000000   Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WF Reference count     201        Default buffer size                 512F Total blocks        35565080   Sectors per track                   254F Total cylinders     7001       Tracks per cylinder                  20  F Volume label        "ROSS70"   Relative volume number                0F Cluster size        35         Transaction count                   196F Free blocks         29874355   Maximum files allowed            493959F Extend quantity     5          Mount count                           1F Mount status        System     Cache name             "_DSA0:XQPCACHE"F Extent cache size   64         Maximum blocks in extent cache  2987435F File ID cache size  64         Blocks currently in extent cache 303345F Quota cache size    0          Maximum buffers in FCP cache       2845F Volume owner UIC    [SYSTEM]   Vol Prot    S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD  @ Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, write-back caching enabled.  E Disk $56$DKB100:, device type COMPAQ BD01862376, is online, member ofa
 shadow set" DSA100:, error logging is enabled.  E Error count              0    Shadow member operation count   8380255  Allocation class        56  E Disk $56$DKC100:, device type COMPAQ BD018635C4, is online, member of - shadow set DSA100:, error logging is enabled.T  E Error count             50    Shadow member operation count   8429778  Allocation class        56    
 $ SH DEV DF Device        Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntF  Name         Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntF DSA0:         Mounted              0  ALPHA_72-1    25636590   261   1F DSA100:       Mounted              0  ROSS70        29874355   245   1F DSA200:       Mounted              0  ROSS65        32771060     1   17 $56$DKB0:     ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) 9 $56$DKB100:   ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA100:)j9 $56$DKB200:   ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:)n7 $56$DKC0:     ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)r9 $56$DKC100:   ShadowSetMember     50  (member of DSA100:)h9 $56$DKC200:   ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:)t   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:29:49 -0500a- From: Michael Austin <miaustin@bellsouth.net>g< Subject: Re: Errors on a Shadow Set Member - Should I worry?- Message-ID: <3C50448D.79920CD7@bellsouth.net>o   fooguy? wrote:e > A > A disk in one of my shadow sets is showing errors, but is still-E > online. I'm not sure if they're "hard" errors or "soft" errors, butnH > I'm wondering if I should replace the disk. These are not StorageworksG > Modules, but the newer Compaq modular style disks in an external 42548
 > disk shelf.o  = $Anal/err/include=disk/since=<some date>  /out=<myerrors.txt>   @ review the types of errors being generated.  Personally, I wouldF probably drop this shadow member, re-format,re-init and add it back toG the shadow set.  Please review the docs for this as it has been a while  since I actually did this. --     Regards,   Michael Austin   > 
 > $ SH ERR. > Device                           Error Count, > $56$DKC100: (BARIUM)                    50 >  > $ SH DEV DKC100/FULLB > Disk DSA100:, device type Generic SCSI disk, is online, mounted,F > file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging
 > is enabled.. > H > Error count         0          Operations completed           13697040H > Owner process       ""         Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]H > Owner process ID    00000000   Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WH > Reference count     201        Default buffer size                 512H > Total blocks        35565080   Sectors per track                   254H > Total cylinders     7001       Tracks per cylinder                  20 > H > Volume label        "ROSS70"   Relative volume number                0H > Cluster size        35         Transaction count                   196H > Free blocks         29874355   Maximum files allowed            493959H > Extend quantity     5          Mount count                           1H > Mount status        System     Cache name             "_DSA0:XQPCACHE"H > Extent cache size   64         Maximum blocks in extent cache  2987435H > File ID cache size  64         Blocks currently in extent cache 303345H > Quota cache size    0          Maximum buffers in FCP cache       2845H > Volume owner UIC    [SYSTEM]   Vol Prot    S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD > B > Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, write-back > caching enabled. > G > Disk $56$DKB100:, device type COMPAQ BD01862376, is online, member oft > shadow set$ > DSA100:, error logging is enabled. > G > Error count              0    Shadow member operation count   8380255r > Allocation class        56 > G > Disk $56$DKC100:, device type COMPAQ BD018635C4, is online, member ofd/ > shadow set DSA100:, error logging is enabled.. > G > Error count             50    Shadow member operation count   8429778o > Allocation class        56 >  > $ SH DEV DH > Device        Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntH >  Name         Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntH > DSA0:         Mounted              0  ALPHA_72-1    25636590   261   1H > DSA100:       Mounted              0  ROSS70        29874355   245   1H > DSA200:       Mounted              0  ROSS65        32771060     1   19 > $56$DKB0:     ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)t; > $56$DKB100:   ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA100:) ; > $56$DKB200:   ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:)39 > $56$DKC0:     ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:)a; > $56$DKC100:   ShadowSetMember     50  (member of DSA100:)D; > $56$DKC200:   ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA200:)l >  > Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:39:31 +0000t/ From: James Lothian <simul8@simul8.demon.co.uk>u/ Subject: Re: ethernet boot diskless VAX-11/730?e2 Message-ID: <3C500E93.1D1AF821@simul8.demon.co.uk>   Joseph Ballantyne wrote: > E > I need to boot a VAX-11/730 as a diskless satellite in a VAXclusternH >    where most of the nodes run VMS5.5-2H4.  (Sometimes there's anotherF >    system whose DEQNA prevents it from booting VMS5.5-2; that one isJ >    stuck at VMS5.2.)  This is a short-term/immediate requirement, ratherG >    than a spare-time hobby project, so I'm inclined to try to make doiF >    with the parts on hand rather than doing something ornate such asC >    http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Hardware/TU58_Emulator.htm did.e4 > The relevant documents to which I have access are:I >     -  EY-00014-DP "VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures" (the edition.3 >        that predates clustering and MOP booting);.9 >     -  EK-SI730-IN-001 "VAX-11/730 Installation Guide";eH >     -  EK-1173-UG-003 (perhaps a typo for EK-11730-UG-003) "VAX-11/730J >        Hardware User's Guide" pages iii through vi, 1-1 through 1-5, 2-1( >        through 2-4, 2-39 through 2-49.H >    I do not have a running system with a TU58 (so cannot write TU58s).I > My first problem is that the TU58 capstan rollers have disintegrated or- >    are disintegrating.   [snip]= A slice off a suitably-sized automotive hose will make a goodo replacementuD roller. As far as I can tell, the drive is pretty insensitive to the exactd7 outer diameter of the roller, as long as it's constant.    Jameso   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:57:21 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>yD Subject: EU Continues Compaq Talks with HP - no decision yet reached0 Message-ID: <lhV38.7555$Okf.5464@news2.bloor.is>  H Note: an earlier story filed at 4:26am ET Thursday Jan. 24/2002 has beenL withdrawn by Reuters. This earlier story suggested that the merger was to be$ approved by the European Commission.  J Remember - a withdrawal of a story does not necessarily mean that it isn'tI true...there can be  'political' reasons why it was withdrawn...like, themA wrong person leaked it, the timing of the leak was wrong, etc....s     The latest story follows:b  C http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20020124/bs/tech_compaq_dc_4.htmlh   Thursday January 24 9:47 AM ET  ! EU Continues Compaq Talks with HPoL BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Hewlett-Packard Co. continued to talk with the EuropeanL Commission on Thursday about its bid to purchase Compaq Computer CorporationJ but no final decision had been reached, people familiar with the situation said.A  H The sources declined to characterize the situation ahead of a January 31I deadline. The Commission must either approve the deal by that deadline or-< decide to subject it to a four-month in-depth investigation.  J During the initial one-month investigation a company and the Commission onK occasions agree that they have discovered competitive problems with a deal.e- In such cases the company may offer remedies.u  K In this case the deadline for offering such remedies has passed without anyJ such measures being offered.  K Regulatory clearance is not the only hurdle the deal faces. The shareholder L vote on what would be the largest merger in personal computer history is due, in March, with the outcome far from certain.  K HP Chief Executive Carly Fiorina has had a tough battle selling the merger,rG announced on September 4, after members of both the Hewlett and Packard I founding families said in December they planned to vote against the deal.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:22:25 -05001% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>i. Subject: EU set to approve HP buyout of Compaq+ Message-ID: <3C4FC434.784ED5C@videotron.ca>s  U CNN reported in a quick blurb that the EU was set to approve HP's plan to buy Compaq.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:25:45 -0000t- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)e6 Subject: Even Intel thinks Itanic isn't Proprietary...7 Message-ID: <91A08270Fwarrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>n  K It may be Intel itself that's promoting the notion that anything they make bL is "industry standard".  Here's an excerpt from their Itanic product brief,  found at:   E http://www.intel.com/ebusiness/products/itanium/overview/ds010401.htmt  J "The powerful new processor family extends open-standards-based computing A to the enterprise, delivering flexibility, choice and value over i proprietary solutions."b   ws   -- m   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)h The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:40:16 +0000 (UTC)n From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk: Subject: Re: Even Intel thinks Itanic isn't Proprietary...+ Message-ID: <a2pkeg$kd3$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>o  g In article <91A08270Fwarrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes: L >It may be Intel itself that's promoting the notion that anything they make M >is "industry standard".  Here's an excerpt from their Itanic product brief, m >found at:  F >http://www.intel.com/ebusiness/products/itanium/overview/ds010401.htm > K >"The powerful new processor family extends open-standards-based computing mB >to the enterprise, delivering flexibility, choice and value over  >proprietary solutions." >  >wsl  N Presumably Intel means you can run Linux on it (since that appears to be about" the only thing Open about it).  :)  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:31:04 +0100 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r/ Subject: Fortran 2xxx (was: RE: compiler group):; Message-ID: <01KDGH3YEJ428ZI8TR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>.  D > I'm still trying to learn 95.  Are there websites where we can see! > what concepts are being worked?D  	 Check outv  7    http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/COMP-FORTRAN-90.htmlD  G This is an archive for a mailing list.  You can join if you like!  The  I name is a bit out of date.  While the newsgroup comp.os.vms mainly deals -I with "user problems", the list is more concerned with the development of eI the language.  Many compiler writers, standards-body representatives etc iD read and contribute to the list.  It is low volume and high quality.  B The list is not concerned ONLY with language development, however.  E There is a search facility, so perhaps you could look for F2k things.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:40:22 +0100 $ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!/ Message-ID: <CLP38.19$l43.1032@news.get2net.dk>k  
 see below.  > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3C4DC56E.6E6F3C16@swissonline.delete.ch...f >e > David, nicely stated ! >4H > There's a few comments that I've scattered through your text which may > be relevant. >r > "David L. Cathey" wrote: > >0 > ...i> > >         But an antagonistic approach isn't ever effective. >tI > True, not in a situation where you want someone to do something and arenG > discussing it with them.  There is however the situation where otherseJ > being antagonistic can make a change (eg. stockholders meeting where theG > stockholders get downright aggressive).  I'm not advocating it or not3D > advocating it, I just wanted to make you aware of the possibility. >e  H Remeber "Peace in our time" ?  That really worked well.  Antagonism came later.   > L > >         I think it's between incompetence, still not quite understandingJ > > what they have, and needing to concentrate on not losing money on some ofL > > their other products.  OpenVMS is still a cash cow for Compaq, and still isG > > in growth.  It needs to be fed, but it's helping support the bottomt line.  >iI > I accept that it is a cash-cow but the cow will dry up without a decentiH > amount of care and attention; even better would be to fatten it up.  II > see Compaq's failure to make a real effort to extend the market as sureaI > way to cause the cow to go dry and the slaughterman be called.  At this1F > stage the cow is a only a little poorly and with only a small effort > could easily recover.1 >g >S6 > >         So let's evaluate how that strategy works: > >e, > > 1) You feel the VMS market is shrinking.8 > > 2) You take action which accelerates this shrinkage.I > > 3) OpenVMS goes from being a profit center of Compaq to losing money.c > > 4) Gartner smiles with gleer9 > > 5) Folks here get really happy about the situation...lI > > 6) Compaq notices and magically reverses years of reduction in market2 share. > >:L > >         My question, is how does one get from #5 to #6.  Jobs lost are l ikelysF > > lost.  What magic bullet creates corporate demand for an Operating SystemH > > without regard for applications?  What "marketing" program will make yourJ > > boss giddy as a school girl and buy $100,000 or $500,000 or $1,000,000 of > > OpenVMS goodies? >eG > You can compound this by saying that accelerated shrinkage also meansi? > fewer applications, making the platform even less attractive.d >b >sF > >         Compaq has fought back from the downward spiral of OpenVMS revenueVJ > > once.  It's not going to improve matters making them have to do it all over
 > > again. >2F > Yes, it did fight back ... and that was when VMS was given about $12I > million to spend on advertising with an aim to increase sales by X%.  IeI > believe that the condition at the time was reach that % and Compaq willnE > really put some effort in to expand the VMS market; don't reach theuI > target and we'll make funeral arrangements.  The target was met but thel/ > promise of increased effort was reneged upon.o >e >bH > >         But hopefully I can at least make one or two stop and think. It's: > > the "cutting of your nose to spite your face" concept. >0H > Yes, stopping even just one customer from moving away from VMS because; > of what Bill has said will be certainly worth the effort.n >   I I hardly think Bill's influence via c.o.v is likely to amount to too many D defections, any more than the opposite may be said of other posters.  Hubris - Bah.   > 	 > cheers,U > 
 > John McLean    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:03:36 +0100W$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!/ Message-ID: <p5Q38.23$l43.1104@news.get2net.dk>a  	 Below ...   2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C4F9F0F.A994AFC8@videotron.ca... > "David L. Cathey" wrote:H > >         "Must act"...  Very non-specific.  They have acted.  OpenVMS8 > > revenues are still growing, customers are being won. > I > This information is not complete enough to draw any conclusion. What if  for E > ever sale of a VMS system, you have 5 customers who stop paying forHL > maintenance (indicating they no longer make serious use of their system) ? >II > And more importantly, to attract ISVs,  sale of systems is not the onlthL > metric. A shop that buys a mega wildfire to replace a bunch of alphas will notSI > be growing its infratsructure and won't be buying new software, it wills justH > combine everything into one. In the end, that sale actually results in fewert > systems being in production. >eE > An active customer is one that is growing its VMS infrastructure by 
 continuingG > to add new applications to it. But my image is that the remaining VMS6 customerK > base are keeping their old apps running on VMS because they run fine, butD new:I > stuff is neing added to their Unix and NT servers because that is where  thet3 > company has chosen to grow its IT infrastrcuture.  >H  J Sadly, this is my experience, as anyone in the VMS job market will attest.I There are very few interesting jobs in new development, just maintenance.S? No wonder the highly qualified VMS people have fled to other OS I environments - they would starve to death otherwise.  (Speaking purely as " someone on an imposed diet here !)  L A client has spent large sums on NT based infrastructure investment over theL past several years and ZERO (please read that number again) on VMS.  SupportJ contracts for for VMS and compilers, DB etc are alive, and the Support forH the VMS/AlphaServers.  All CAD is now NT based, True64 and VMS based CADJ stations were replaced years ago by NT *BECAUSE* the ISVs dropped support.E This was taken as a "sign" and the corporation has acted accordingly.   K There were Alpha/NT CAD stations until that went away, but fortuitously, nog+ large investment in AlphaStations was made.-  K Now, the fact that these ASs run 100% of finance, purchasing, shipping etc.oL etc. is irrelevant.  The decision makers have bought the BillG will rule the9 world and are actively pursuing a strategy based thereon.r  H Nothing that CAN run on NT does not.  Not the other way around.  Sad but7 true, and  I do not think this is an uncommon scenario.i  L > In the past, when Digital had  huge portfolio of layered packages, DigitalJ > would have some idea of customer activity by monitoring sales of layeredH > products. But now that Digital/Compaq have dropped most of its layeredH > products on VMS, they have no way to measure the activity on those VMS systems  > out there. >c > So who do you trust ? I > The Compaq employee who cannot admit that things are not going too well ! > because he would lose his job ?RL > The Compaq employee who is only given the news of new sales now and then ? >pG > or the VMS loyalists who is seing customers' decisions on the field ?l  2 I certainly do not trust the officers of CompaQ !!   Dweeb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:30:39 -0500e+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> D Subject: RE: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1BD4@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,   , Boy .. the black helicopters are everywhere.   :-)k  F >>> A shop that buys a mega wildfire to replace a bunch of alphas will not G be growing its infratsructure and won't be buying new software, it willm justF combine everything into one. In the end, that sale actually results in fewer  systems being in production.<<<9  ! Wow, you are way off on this one.   E You think anyone who buys a Wildfire class system in the hundred's of , thousands of $'s is not buying new software?  F Here's a bit of an update. And this applies to all OS platforms today.  = When Customers do server consolidation, they typically do not G consolidate to one box or datacenter. Both are single points of failure H that are usually an unacceptable business risk. So they buy 2 servers atF least. If a single datacenter is viewed as having a significant amount# of risk, then they do two sites.=20r  F [Actually, some sites are now talking about whether 2 sites is enough, but thats another discussion]t  G So, with a Customer running on a GS Series system, they need to upgrade H the licenses for all of their Compaq and third party Software. As a fyi,D some of this third party software license upgrades for this class ofA system can be in $50K range per pkg and in a number of cases much. higher.r  C Now, a single server being down before may have meant a few hundred F users were down. In the new environment, there could be many thousandsE of users down if a server were offline. Do you think this Customer is D not concerned about investing in software that will provide him withH better performance, or proactive data analysis to fix things before they break?  H Server Consolidation is about saving $'s, improving service levels or inD some cases, improving business flexibility - all over the long term.E There is always a significant investment in the upfront consolidation07 project (software, hardware, planning, consulting etc).   G Yes, the numbers of servers is going down by the end of the project.=20   C However, and this is the critical point that those looking at totalDC server numbers often do not understand - that companies reliance on : their chosen OS/Platform has just gone up exponentially !!  > And by the way, the above is true for every vendors platforms.E Microsoft, Sun, HP, IBM, Compaq .. Almost every med-large Customer iseE likely looking at how to shrink the numbers of servers they currentlyrG maintain and hence either reduce their overall TCO and/or improve theirl service levels.e  ; Here is a good example of a recent DH Brown produced server , consolidation case study - Canadian to eh ..H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/whitepapers/dhbrown_ovms_casestudy pdfe   :-)e   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanto Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----, From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei@videotron.ca] Sent: January 24, 2002 12:44 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com"D Subject: Re: Gartner Group lies about VMS ... loses all credibility!     "David L. Cathey" wrote:F >         "Must act"...  Very non-specific.  They have acted.  OpenVMS9 > revenues are still growing, customers are being won.=20A  G This information is not complete enough to draw any conclusion. What if  for2C ever sale of a VMS system, you have 5 customers who stop paying fornH maintenance (indicating they no longer make serious use of their system) ?t  G And more importantly, to attract ISVs,  sale of systems is not the onlt E metric. A shop that buys a mega wildfire to replace a bunch of alphas  will notG be growing its infratsructure and won't be buying new software, it will  justF combine everything into one. In the end, that sale actually results in fewer- systems being in production.  C An active customer is one that is growing its VMS infrastructure by 
 continuingE to add new applications to it. But my image is that the remaining VMSl customerE base are keeping their old apps running on VMS because they run fine,h but newnG stuff is neing added to their Unix and NT servers because that is wherea the 1 company has chosen to grow its IT infrastrcuture.o  B In the past, when Digital had  huge portfolio of layered packages, DigitaltH would have some idea of customer activity by monitoring sales of layeredF products. But now that Digital/Compaq have dropped most of its layeredF products on VMS, they have no way to measure the activity on those VMS systemse
 out there.   So who do you trust ?aG The Compaq employee who cannot admit that things are not going too well) because he would lose his job ?tH The Compaq employee who is only given the news of new sales now and then ?m  E or the VMS loyalists who is seing customers' decisions on the field ?f   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:33:10 +0100t7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>i; Subject: RE: Hewlett, Packard Step Up Merger Battle with HPtO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C6B@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>n  = > > The battle between Hewlett-Packard Co. and its founders'   > family members overe? > > its proposed $25 billion merger with Compaq Computer Corp. a > intensified on? > > Wednesday when David Packard said in a full-page newspaper e > ad that HP isu  > > misusing his father's words. >  > @ > Cool. The solution is to give Agilent the "HP" name (where it  > belongs), andd< > hive Carly's company the "Agilent" name. And transfer the  > printer business toeB > the "quality" company and leave Carly with her toy Wintel stuff. > ? > Then, when Agilent buys Compaq, it will keep the Compaq name r > because it has& > more brand recognition than Agilent.  K So basicly you are saying, that the wintel stuff part and the quality stuff-
 part like I the printer, high-end and server should be keept as far from each other ai	 possible.E  J The way to do it is merger and then split up or split up compaq and hp and let the from the parts   come new companies.   ' H = Highend servers (HP9000, DEC alpha)q P = Perfect Printers StorageWorks = Storage3 Comp&aq = COMPuter An Quality and Quantity product.o  : You will have very strong products and strong companies.  K May the wintel will survive or not, but that will not effect the results ofn the other companies.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:14:00 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)nR Subject: Re: laws (was: RE: Bill Gates admits security "non-existent" in windows!)3 Message-ID: <TTA5VVN$hBQ1@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  j In article <zs5OPOioxKjQ=BjM3YUEz7N1saFu@4ax.com>, David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> writes:  A >     Well, this is the U.S.  There is no law preventing you fromS= > making a complete idiot of yourself if you desire to do so!e > :-))))  2    No, but you are expected to move into politics.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:35:58 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler): Subject: Re: LYNX for OpenVMSs3 Message-ID: <oDDyb07u9OrI@eisner.encompasserve.org>m  f In article <3C4EF8A5.F9286C05@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:H > Is there an OpenVMS/Alpha/7.2-x/TCPIP-V5.0a version of LYNX (text only1 > web browser) that also understands Java-script?a >   =    I think I have the latet Lynx for VMS and I don't think itw?    understands Java-script.  But I never saw any Lynx that did.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:15:40 +0100m7 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com>v Subject: New VMS newsgroupO Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6C74@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>a  : Please split this newsgroup in to comp.os.vms.advocacy and comp.os.vms.technicala* the volume of messages is getting too big.  I Not in the alt tree, because otherwise nobody can find the new newsgroup.r      l > >>& > >> > How about comp.os.vms.advocacy?G > >> > (a la comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy &c)3 > >>> > >> "The powers that be" typically insist the content of the  > original groupH > >> (comp.os.vms) be moved down to a level parallel with the new one to> > >> make something like comp.os.vms.technical.  Look at what 
 > happened toi > >> comp.lang.pascal. o > >>; > >> Plus, a lot of people will know that _their_ topic is h > worth cross-posting  > >> destroying any benefit. > >>G > >Hmmm. Good point. Never thought of that. Oh well, we can just go forn: > >alt.fan.vms and alt.flame.vms and people can crosspost  > accordingly ;-)o > ; > I've been lurking in alt.config since I posted the first   > message in this : > thread. According to commentary therein, most newgroups  > aren't botheringH > with the process and simply get sent. All that is needed is a properly: > formatted control message and a willingness of users to  > request that their > ISP carry the group. > @ > Of course, the denziens of alt.config would *like* you to let  > them picke= > holes in your requests for a newgroup first. Their biggest   > requirement is? > support from groups where the existing discussion is, as far t > as VMS goes -r> > that's here. So, anyone wanting some more VMS groups has to 
 > say so thenn; > there is some justification for sending the newgroup. If   > nothing else it'sp' > an advert saying VMS still exists :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:08:01 +0100s, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Re: New VMS newsgroup& Message-ID: <3C504D80.1B7C3AC1@gmx.ch>   "Dijk, Jeroen van" wrote:c > < > Please split this newsgroup in to comp.os.vms.advocacy and > comp.os.vms.technical , > the volume of messages is getting too big.   Add my vote.   D. --  H   ----------------------------------------------------------------------E MORANDI Consulting.  WEB: http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.html E Pflanzschulstrasse 53, 8004 Zurich, Switzerland. GSM: +41 79 705 4670e/ 19, chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.   H Disaster Recovery Plans, Computer Security Audits, DEC OpenVMS ExpertiseH On parle franais Man spricht Deutsch se habla Castellano English spoken   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:23:32 +0100n> From: Fred =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F6hner?= <roehner@uni-freiburg.de> Subject: NFS v3 and UCX/TCPIP . Message-ID: <3C500AD4.3050506@uni-freiburg.de>   Hi,oC can anyone tell me from which version on the UCX/TCPIP software of o- Open-VMS supports the NFS version 3 protocol?tF I need to transfer files with more than 4GB and until now I could get : only NFS v2 and not v3 connections from VMS to unix boxes. wbr Fred R.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:58:36 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>! Subject: Re: NFS v3 and UCX/TCPIPi, Message-ID: <a2p3u9$2r0c@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  a "Fred Rhner" <roehner@uni-freiburg.de> wrote in message news:3C500AD4.3050506@uni-freiburg.de...h  D > can anyone tell me from which version on the UCX/TCPIP software of/ > Open-VMS supports the NFS version 3 protocol?u   5.1 (server only).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:00:16 +0100t> From: Fred =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F6hner?= <roehner@uni-freiburg.de>! Subject: Re: NFS v3 and UCX/TCPIPo, Message-ID: <3C502F90.80900@uni-freiburg.de>   Richard Brodie wrote:s  > ...   > 5.1 (server only).    not any chance for the client???   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:05:48 +0100f, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>& Subject: No logical name match at boot8 Message-ID: <1011877533.128224@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>  
 Hi to all,  G I have a stronge problem on a MicroVAX 3100 running OpenVMS V7.1. AfterlA boot, when trying to login on the console, the system only tells:e   No logical name matchi  I and there is no "Username:" prompt. This also occurs after a mini startupi@ and even when the startup file is set to the console device with   SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP OPA0:   the system simply prints  = %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk @ %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SYSDUMP.DMPon System Disk successfully mappedK         OpenVMS (TM) VAX V7.1               Major version 1 minor version 0o= %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version 05.0C.00  No logical name match    What's wrong here?   MTIA and kind greetings, Ferry   -- Ing. Ferry Bolhar.% Municipality of Vienna, Department 14e A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIAh E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:25:28 +0100-+ From: "labadie" <gerard.labadie@compaq.com>2* Subject: Re: No logical name match at boot1 Message-ID: <KXT38.387$PZ4.8010@news.cpqcorp.net>M   Check the Sysgen parameter lgi_calloutp put it back to 0   Regards.   Gerard  7 "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote in messagea2 news:1011877533.128224@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at... > Hi to all, >:I > I have a stronge problem on a MicroVAX 3100 running OpenVMS V7.1. After C > boot, when trying to login on the console, the system only tells:i >r > No logical name matcho > K > and there is no "Username:" prompt. This also occurs after a mini startup B > and even when the startup file is set to the console device with >g > SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP OPA0: >e > the system simply prints >y? > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk B > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SYSDUMP.DMPon System Disk successfully mappedK >         OpenVMS (TM) VAX V7.1               Major version 1 minor versions 0u? > %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version 05.0C.00  > No logical name matcht >  > What's wrong here? >   > MTIA and kind greetings, Ferry >r > -- > Ing. Ferry Bolhare' > Municipality of Vienna, Department 14n > A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIAa > E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at  >e >e >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:11:54 +0000f  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comX Subject: Nutella and cows[was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( wasThe]: Message-ID: <OF78615BDF.50CF79D6-ON00256B4B.004DD4A6@btyp>   Oh, that'd be the meat then...  J Ever seen the bits of animals that these so-called best restuarants put on% your plate? Food for pseuds indeed...f   ;^Do   Steve Sn        C "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> on 01/24/2002 01:38:22 PMe    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:tK From:      "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl>, 24 January 2002, 1:38v            p.m.R  ; Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was Theo      / "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in messageo) news:wPS38.54$l43.2316@news.get2net.dk...o< > "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> wrote in message1 > news:a2lt40$1271sm$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de...  > >w6 > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message) > > news:3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca...s > >l- > > > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella.n > >e, > > Have you seen what goes into that stuff? > >t
 > > <retches>1 >  > Pay tell .... Pray tell ...g  B Well, you know the parts of a cow that don't make it to the plates of the best restaurants...   --   Mark Wallace ____________________________   You want nanomachines?" I'll give you bloody nanomachines!1 http://humorpages.virtualave.net/m-pages/nmaj.htmm ____________________________                F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message haseG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, $ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedhK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.l  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.r  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,bD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:38 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) Y Subject: Re: Nutella and cows[was Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( wasTg- Message-ID: <24JAN200208382738@gerg.tamu.edu>e  $ Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com writes... }Oh, that'd be the meat then...  } K }Ever seen the bits of animals that these so-called best restuarants put one& }your plate? Food for pseuds indeed... }  };^D }  }Steve SD }"Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> on 01/24/2002 01:38:22 PM0 }"Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in message* }news:wPS38.54$l43.2316@news.get2net.dk...= }> "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> wrote in messaged2 }> news:a2lt40$1271sm$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de... }> >7 }> > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in messageo* }> > news:3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca... }> >. }> > > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella. }> >- }> > Have you seen what goes into that stuff?  }> > }> > <retches> }> }> Pay tell .... Pray tell ... } C }Well, you know the parts of a cow that don't make it to the platess }of the best restaurants...  }  }--e } 
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Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:14:03 +0100c6 From: Marc Van den Eynden <mvde@somewhere.outhere.com> Subject: Old VCS licenses 4 Message-ID: <3C5024BB.7030703@somewhere.outhere.com>   Hi all,e  F Anyone out there who has some unused PAK's for VAXCLUSTER-CONSOLE and  willing to give/sell them ?pI We want to add a few more consoles to watch, but can not get any license r pak's anymore.G If I remember correctly; VCS was renamed to Polycenter Console Manager  : and then donated/sold to CA who converted it to CommandIT.F We don't want to upgrade, just keep running version 1.3 and add a few  extra lines.   TIA, Marc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:44:17 +0100e, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> Subject: Re: Old VCS licenses > Message-ID: <3c5039e5$0$4575$e4fe514c@dreader3.news.xs4all.nl>   Marc,t  % Contact me offline. I may be of help.t  	 Bart Zorne B.Zorn@TrueBit.nla  C "Marc Van den Eynden" <mvde@somewhere.outhere.com> wrote in messaged. news:3C5024BB.7030703@somewhere.outhere.com...	 > Hi all,  >oG > Anyone out there who has some unused PAK's for VAXCLUSTER-CONSOLE andi > willing to give/sell them ?rJ > We want to add a few more consoles to watch, but can not get any license > pak's anymore.H > If I remember correctly; VCS was renamed to Polycenter Console Manager< > and then donated/sold to CA who converted it to CommandIT.G > We don't want to upgrade, just keep running version 1.3 and add a fewp > extra lines. >m > TIA, > Marc.e >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:05:25 GMTh2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Open VMS manual. Message-ID: <F1Y38.1$am1.109@news.cpqcorp.net>  F In article <3c4eaa8d@news.upm.es>, "makine" <makine@entodo.es> writes: :Open VMS manual, please?<$ :I've tried to find something but...     Hello and welcome to OpenVMS!g  A   The full documentation set for OpenVMS requires roughly a meter6$   of shelf-space, and probably more.  =   Please review the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ).i  ;   The OpenVMS FAQ is available at various sites, including:a  "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  F   To find FAQs for various newsgroups, please review the www.faqs.org G   website, please review the http://www.google.com/ newsgroup archives,iG   and particularly please read the postings for new users present over yC   in the news.announce.newusers newsgroup (and archived at google).tD   Most newsgroups have FAQs, and reading the FAQ first means you getF   the answer(s) to your question(s) more quickly, and you don't cause D   the newsgroup regulars to simply (re)post pointers to the FAQ. :-)  F   Please also read the introduction around how to ask questions -- andC   how to provide the necessary information for folks to answer yourcI   OpenVMS question (more quickly) -- present in the introductory section pD   of the OpenVMS FAQ.    Please realize that terse questions tend toF   be unanswerable, too -- these questions tend to be ambiguous.  WhileH   you might know what you mean by a question, an economy of detail will I   regularly mean readers are left with at least some degree of ambiguity.tK   (For instance, you could here be seeking a pointer to a web site serving oI   the OpenVMS manuals, or do you want to acquire used hardcopy manuals or6F   used CD-ROM documentation, or you could be seeking details on how toK   order OpenVMS manuals.  Terse questions beget terse answers -- and quite TE   possibly, a terse answer to a question you hadn't intended to ask!)Y  I   Thanks, and welcome to the comp.os.vms newsgroup!  No offense intended!   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:21:08 GMT09 From: Mark Iline - Info-VAX account <ivax@meng.ucl.ac.uk>,1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT:2 Message-ID: <00A08873.362A75FB.102@meng.ucl.ac.uk>  B From:	MX%"JKoska@bender.com"  "John Koska" 11-JAN-2002 23:28:22.12 To:	MX%"Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" CC:	. Subj:	Re: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT  ? > A possible important note regarding this software... It is my-E > understanding that NTDS will NOT be qualified with OpenVMS 7.3, andDH > NTDS has been removed from the Enterprise Integration License Packages# > with release 3.2, September 2001.0  7 So is that to say it *was* qualified with OpenVMS 7.2 ?l     Mark    Mark Iline	system@meng.ucl.ac.uk- Dept Mech Eng, University College, London. UKg   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jan 2002 06:01 CSTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)lA Subject: Re: OT: Vegemite (was RE: Younger recruits blahblahblah)s- Message-ID: <24JAN200206012687@gerg.tamu.edu>   . WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes...	 }=0AEgad!n! }From Kraft.com I find a link to:> }  }http://www.vegemite.com.au/ }  }WWWebbl  I From which the "Born and Bread" link tells you where the stuff came from.t  D All I want to know is exactly how much of Fred Walker is in each jarG of the stuff? Surely they have run out of the original by now, and have>5 to go find other people with that name to canibalize.v  B   "The yeast extract spread we all know and love first appeared onC    our shelves in 1923. It was made from many essential ingredientse    apart from yeast extract.  A    One of the main ones was Fred Walker - a man before his time."c   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:20:14 +0530e$ From: "upadhyaya" <ups@hotvoice.com> Subject: OT:Packet analyser?? 1 Message-ID: <L2X38.400$PZ4.8180@news.cpqcorp.net>r   Hi, E Is there any packet analyser freely available for VMS? I  am facing akH problem when my application uses DECnet as transport. It works well withK TCPIP. I am using a PC X server to capture the screen and send that to VMS.g? I mean my X client is on a VMS machine. This appliacation hangsy aftersometime.   Thanks	 Upadhyayat   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:22:45 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> ! Subject: Re: OT:Packet analyser??-, Message-ID: <3C5042DE.C4504836@videotron.ca>   upadhyaya wrote:8 > Is there any packet analyser freely available for VMS?  J Look for ETHERMON (should be on the freeware otherwise it would be on some
 DECUS tapes). N There was also a time where the MONITOR utility had a secret built in ethernetK monitor that could be enabled with a simple patch, but I think that it went. away with Alpha.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:47:22 -0500s5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>m! Subject: Re: OT:Packet analyser??i2 Message-ID: <ZkhQPBabXm2upwqcn5w9tMITKYKr@4ax.com>  > I think there is one on the Freeware CD, whose contents can be9 found at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/.a   David R. Beattye  B On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:20:14 +0530, "upadhyaya" <ups@hotvoice.com> wrote:   >Hi,F >Is there any packet analyser freely available for VMS? I  am facing aI >problem when my application uses DECnet as transport. It works well withDL >TCPIP. I am using a PC X server to capture the screen and send that to VMS.@ >I mean my X client is on a VMS machine. This appliacation hangs >aftersometime.t >r >Thanksl
 >Upadhyaya >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:06:13 +0000M% From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>-! Subject: Re: OT:Packet analyser??h' Message-ID: <3C504D15.B240002F@iee.org>c   upadhyaya wrote:G > Is there any packet analyser freely available for VMS? I  am facing acJ > problem when my application uses DECnet as transport. It works well withM > TCPIP. I am using a PC X server to capture the screen and send that to VMS.cA > I mean my X client is on a VMS machine. This appliacation hangs  > aftersometime.  , DTF, which used to come with the DECnis kit,- would be ideal for this. Whether it is still 0+ available on either the COMPAQ or DNPG web o sites, I do not know.    Antonio:   --     ---------------s- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgh   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 19:30:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: PDP-6 memorya0 Message-ID: <878zaovvdi.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  - Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:h  B > The 162 (a.k.a. fast ACs) was still there in 1977 when I startedF > work at SAIL, but the 163s were gone, replaced with this big honking > box that held all of 64K.y  E The story I was told, twice, once by a ex Tops developer, and once byaE someone from DEC oz, was that <site> had expanded the memory on theirnB 6.  It was booted, and nothing happened. Dead as a maggo. Then theB penny dropped, it was sizing memory, and waiting for the NXM as it( counted up :) I thought it was Stanford.   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:01:14 +0100n; From: "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de>-0 Subject: Problem with TSM and ETS-Terminalserver@ Message-ID: <a2opi5$h71$1@newsreader2.lb-lan.ka.de.kpnqwest.net>   Hello,  @ I have problems to add a Lantronix ETS16PR Terminalserver to the= TSM-Database on an Alpha OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 with TSM 2.1 ECO 7.   F According to the Lantronix manual, The ETS16PR supports the management software TSM and NCP.8F according to the help of TSM, the server type ETS is supported by TSM.  E Before trying this, I copied the Terminal Firmwarefile ETS16pr.sys toh mom$load:AIT03TSV.SYS.G The logical name mom$load includes the Directory SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]n       Following problem exists:    A35M1_TEX_3> tsm Terminal Server Manager V2.1-07eJ Copyright  Digital Equipment Corporation. 1994, 1995 All Rights Reserved. Usage is DIRECTORY TSM> add serverr> Name                                                    :ait03J Address                                                 :00-08-A3-23-99-14< Type                                           ( DS100 ):ETS9 Circuit                                        ( SVA-0 ):a9 Maintenance Password                ( 0000000000000000 ): 9 Login Password                                ( ACCESS ): 9 Partition Name                               ( DEFAULT ):e? DECnet Address                                     ( 0 ):40.916e9 Dump File         ( SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.DMP ):a9 Image File       ( SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.SYS ):l= Reference File      ( SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03.TXT ):NONEvC %TSM-I-NML_STARTUP, TSM is establishing a link to NML - please wait64 %TSM-E-OPEN_FAILED, Failed to open SOURCE IMAGE FILE %RMS-E-DNF, directory not foundn" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file TSM> TSM> USE SERVER ait03oE %TSM-E-VERS_NOT_SUPP, Terminal server version is not supported by TSMwE %TSM-E-NO_SYSID, Terminal server not responding- no SYSTEM ID messageA> %TSM-I-NEITHER_AVAIL, No server image or running server to use5 %TSM-I-DEFAULT_USAGE, Set to default usage, DIRECTORY  TSM>  4 In the NCP the Terminalserver ait03 shows like this:   NCP>show node ait03 char  8 Node Volatile Characteristics as of 24-JAN-2002 11:05:46   Remote node =   40.916 (AIT03)    Service circuit          = SVA-0, Hardware address         = 00-08-A3-23-99-14> Load file                = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.SYS< Secondary loader         = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]PLUTO2.SYS< Tertiary loader          = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]PLUTO3.SYS< Diagnostic loader        = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]CSVLDI.SYS= Dump file                = SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.DMPo     NCP>connect node ait03 Target does not respondu NCP>  K Deleting the Terminalserver from the TSM-Datebase and NCP and defining then? directly in the NCPy  A NCP>set node 40.916 name ait03 hardware address 00-08-A3-23-99-14_) NCP>set node 40.916 Service circuit SVA-0  NCP>connect node ait03 Target does not respond_ NCP>  > Oops, Yesterday I could connect to the Terminalserver via NCP.  $ Any Idea whats wrong or what to do ?< Anyone else Problems with a Lantronix ETS16 Terminalserver ?   Thanks, Thomas   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:06:30 GMTo- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 4 Subject: Re: Problem with TSM and ETS-Terminalserver* Message-ID: <3C4FFD14.9000504@qsl.network>   Thomas Egenberger wrote:   > Hello, > B > I have problems to add a Lantronix ETS16PR Terminalserver to the? > TSM-Database on an Alpha OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 with TSM 2.1 ECO 7.  > H > According to the Lantronix manual, The ETS16PR supports the management > software TSM and NCP.lH > according to the help of TSM, the server type ETS is supported by TSM. > G > Before trying this, I copied the Terminal Firmwarefile ETS16pr.sys to- > mom$load:AIT03TSV.SYS.I > The logical name mom$load includes the Directory SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]j     >  > Following problem exists:n >  > A35M1_TEX_3> tsm! > Terminal Server Manager V2.1-07DL > Copyright  Digital Equipment Corporation. 1994, 1995 All Rights Reserved. > Usage is DIRECTORY > TSM> add servere@ > Name                                                    :ait03L > Address                                                 :00-08-A3-23-99-14     Verify this address.  > > Type                                           ( DS100 ):ETS    = Try DS200, after you fix the problem with connectivity below.>  ; > Circuit                                        ( SVA-0 ):>; > Maintenance Password                ( 0000000000000000 ):"; > Login Password                                ( ACCESS )::    + This must match the terminal server setint.   ; > Partition Name                               ( DEFAULT ):wA > DECnet Address                                     ( 0 ):40.916.    % Used for tracking boot messages only.a    ; > Dump File         ( SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.DMP ):a    > Setting ignored by all terminal servers that I have ever used.  ; > Image File       ( SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.SYS ):     > Setting ignored by all terminal servers that I have ever used.  ? > Reference File      ( SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03.TXT ):NONE E > %TSM-I-NML_STARTUP, TSM is establishing a link to NML - please wait06 > %TSM-E-OPEN_FAILED, Failed to open SOURCE IMAGE FILE! > %RMS-E-DNF, directory not foundg$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file > TSM> > TSM> USE SERVER ait03sG > %TSM-E-VERS_NOT_SUPP, Terminal server version is not supported by TSMEG > %TSM-E-NO_SYSID, Terminal server not responding- no SYSTEM ID messageo@ > %TSM-I-NEITHER_AVAIL, No server image or running server to use7 > %TSM-I-DEFAULT_USAGE, Set to default usage, DIRECTORYp > TSM> > 6 > In the NCP the Terminalserver ait03 shows like this: >  > NCP>show node ait03 char > : > Node Volatile Characteristics as of 24-JAN-2002 11:05:46 >   > Remote node =   40.916 (AIT03) > " > Service circuit          = SVA-0. > Hardware address         = 00-08-A3-23-99-14@ > Load file                = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.SYS    F Parameter Load File ignored.  The terminal server uses the image name  stored in it's NOVRAM.    > > Secondary loader         = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]PLUTO2.SYS    F I have never specified this, and suspect that terminal server ignores 
 this also.  > > Tertiary loader          = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]PLUTO3.SYS     Same as Tertiary loader.  > > Diagnostic loader        = SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]CSVLDI.SYS     Same as Diagnostic loader.  ? > Dump file                = SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.DMP     I Parameter Diagnostic loader ignored.  The terminal server uses the image l name stored in it's NOVRAM.    >  >  > NCP>connect node ait03 > Target does not responda > NCP> > M > Deleting the Terminalserver from the TSM-Datebase and NCP and defining thene > directly in the NCP  > C > NCP>set node 40.916 name ait03 hardware address 00-08-A3-23-99-14-    1 I presume that you have verified the MAC Address?4  + > NCP>set node 40.916 Service circuit SVA-0e > NCP>connect node ait03 > Target does not respondg > NCP> > @ > Oops, Yesterday I could connect to the Terminalserver via NCP.    ( This problem has nothing to do with TSM.    n& > Any Idea whats wrong or what to do ?    G MOP is not a routable protocol.  Is there a router between your system n and the terminal system.  D The Lantronix Terminal Server does not need to have a boot host, it B remembers it load image in NOVRAM.  It can exist in a TCP/IP only  environment.    > > Anyone else Problems with a Lantronix ETS16 Terminalserver ?    G It has been over a year since I worked with Lantronix Terminal Servers.     I Try power cycling it to get it back alive, and then make sure that it is -I   running the latest firmware.  Check the documentation, as you must set  E a switch to get it to load new firmware, after which you can put the r switch back.    G Then look at the OpenVMS FREEWARE 5.0 CD-ROM set for the command files eC for managing terminal servers with TSM.  They allow backing up the  = configurations all the terminal servers that TSM is aware of.l  E If you have MOP hosts on your network that you do not control, where aG others can put Terminal Server images, then in order to make sure that tH you download the firmware that you really want, you must make a copy of - the download images with site specific names.u  D Then change the image name in the NOVRAM of the terminal servers to  download the new names.-  I This is because a terminal server will download from the first host that dE responds with the requested image name.  There is no settings on the gG host that can affect this.  Only changing the image name in the NOVRAM .( on the terminal server can control this.     -Johna   wb8tyw@qsl.network   Personal Opinion Onlyu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:34:14 +0100r; From: "Thomas Egenberger" <thomas.egenberger@technidata.de>b4 Subject: Re: Problem with TSM and ETS-Terminalserver@ Message-ID: <a2p2go$ibm$1@newsreader1.lb-lan.ka.de.kpnqwest.net>   Hallo John,i   Thank you for opening my eyes.@ The problem with the NCP-Connection was realy a little bit wrong MAC-Address.0 With the right address NCP works like yesterday.  ; And the other problem with the TSM was the server type ETS.pJ Using the Servertype DS200 produces no Error, no silly loader files in the NCP anda3 the connection to the Terminalserver via TSM works.d  5 Why does a server type ETS not work with an ETS16PR ?y6 How do you have the idea using the server type DS200 ?  
 Thanks a lot.a Thomas   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:25:15 -0500o* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>4 Subject: RE: Problem with TSM and ETS-Terminalserver- Message-ID: <0033000049062483000002L032*@MHS>p  @ =0AI'm assuming that John's talking about CAPTURE_CONFIG scripts? you can run under TSM to capture and restore terminal settings.   . If he's not, ignore the rest of this response.  ? You might have to do a bit of customization to get them to grab @ the right data as the ones out of the box tend to be written for DEC terminal servers.a  ? In an ideal world, you'll have a DEC terminal server to capture A and restore to first so you can see the scripts work as designed.s  : I had to do some customization to get some Emulex terminal: server configurations captured when we replaced a bunch of! non-IP capable stuff with DS700s.   ? And it was um, interesting to write a conversion script to takeY0 the Emulex capture and then write it to a DS700.   WWWebb     -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET-( Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:07 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET4 Subject: RE: Problem with TSM and ETS-Terminalserver     Thomas Egenberger wrote:   > Hello, >pB > I have problems to add a Lantronix ETS16PR Terminalserver to the? > TSM-Database on an Alpha OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 with TSM 2.1 ECO 7.I >eH > According to the Lantronix manual, The ETS16PR supports the managemen= ts > software TSM and NCP.-H > according to the help of TSM, the server type ETS is supported by TSM= .J > H > Before trying this, I copied the Terminal Firmwarefile ETS16pr.sys to=   > mom$load:AIT03TSV.SYS.H > The logical name mom$load includes the Directory SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVE= R]     >  > Following problem exists:N >b > A35M1_TEX_3> tsm! > Terminal Server Manager V2.1-07oH > Copyright c Digital Equipment Corporation. 1994, 1995 All Rights Rese= rved.e > Usage is DIRECTORY > TSM> add servera@ > Name                                                    :ait03H > Address                                                 :00-08-A3-23-= 99-14-     Verify this address.  > > Type                                           ( DS100 ):ETS    = Try DS200, after you fix the problem with connectivity below.D  ; > Circuit                                        ( SVA-0 ):a; > Maintenance Password                ( 0000000000000000 ):l; > Login Password                                ( ACCESS ):r    + This must match the terminal server setint.e  ; > Partition Name                               ( DEFAULT ):hA > DECnet Address                                     ( 0 ):40.916o    % Used for tracking boot messages only.     ; > Dump File         ( SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.DMP ):e    > Setting ignored by all terminal servers that I have ever used.  ; > Image File       ( SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.SYS ):t    > Setting ignored by all terminal servers that I have ever used.  ? > Reference File      ( SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03.TXT ):NONE-E > %TSM-I-NML_STARTUP, TSM is establishing a link to NML - please waito6 > %TSM-E-OPEN_FAILED, Failed to open SOURCE IMAGE FILE! > %RMS-E-DNF, directory not foundr$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file > TSM> > TSM> USE SERVER ait03fH > %TSM-E-VERS_NOT_SUPP, Terminal server version is not supported by TSM=  H > %TSM-E-NO_SYSID, Terminal server not responding- no SYSTEM ID message=  @ > %TSM-I-NEITHER_AVAIL, No server image or running server to use7 > %TSM-I-DEFAULT_USAGE, Set to default usage, DIRECTORY- > TSM> >-6 > In the NCP the Terminalserver ait03 shows like this: >  > NCP>show node ait03 char > : > Node Volatile Characteristics as of 24-JAN-2002 11:05:46 >0" > Remote node =3D   40.916 (AIT03) > $ > Service circuit          =3D SVA-00 > Hardware address         =3D 00-08-A3-23-99-14B > Load file                =3D SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.SYS    E Parameter Load File ignored.  The terminal server uses the image name  stored in it's NOVRAM.    @ > Secondary loader         =3D SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]PLUTO2.SYS    E I have never specified this, and suspect that terminal server ignoress
 this also.  @ > Tertiary loader          =3D SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]PLUTO3.SYS     Same as Tertiary loader.  @ > Diagnostic loader        =3D SYS$SYSROOT:[DECSERVER]CSVLDI.SYS     Same as Diagnostic loader.  A > Dump file                =3D SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER]AIT03TSV.DMP     H Parameter Diagnostic loader ignored.  The terminal server uses the imag= e  name stored in it's NOVRAM.    >t >a > NCP>connect node ait03 > Target does not respondl > NCP> >aH > Deleting the Terminalserver from the TSM-Datebase and NCP and definin= g then > directly in the NCP  >eC > NCP>set node 40.916 name ait03 hardware address 00-08-A3-23-99-14i    1 I presume that you have verified the MAC Address?U  + > NCP>set node 40.916 Service circuit SVA-0  > NCP>connect node ait03 > Target does not respondr > NCP> >r@ > Oops, Yesterday I could connect to the Terminalserver via NCP.    ( This problem has nothing to do with TSM.    & > Any Idea whats wrong or what to do ?    F MOP is not a routable protocol.  Is there a router between your system and the terminal system.  C The Lantronix Terminal Server does not need to have a boot host, ittA remembers it load image in NOVRAM.  It can exist in a TCP/IP onlyc environment.    > > Anyone else Problems with a Lantronix ETS16 Terminalserver ?    H It has been over a year since I worked with Lantronix Terminal Servers.=      H Try power cycling it to get it back alive, and then make sure that it i= siH   running the latest firmware.  Check the documentation, as you must se= t D a switch to get it to load new firmware, after which you can put the switch back.    F Then look at the OpenVMS FREEWARE 5.0 CD-ROM set for the command filesB for managing terminal servers with TSM.  They allow backing up the= configurations all the terminal servers that TSM is aware of.u  D If you have MOP hosts on your network that you do not control, whereF others can put Terminal Server images, then in order to make sure thatH you download the firmware that you really want, you must make a copy of=  - the download images with site specific names.e  C Then change the image name in the NOVRAM of the terminal servers tow download the new names.   H This is because a terminal server will download from the first host tha= t D responds with the requested image name.  There is no settings on theF host that can affect this.  Only changing the image name in the NOVRAM( on the terminal server can control this.     -John    wb8tyw@qsl.network   Personal Opinion Only=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:26:29 -0500h) From: "Bob Lail" <robert.lail@compaq.com>a? Subject: Re: Problems with early ES40's & DS20's? (Joel Gallun)m1 Message-ID: <FIV38.394$PZ4.8033@news.cpqcorp.net>i  
    Kenneth  H    The issue was mixing of KN610-xx CPUs with pass 2.3 of the EV6 500MHzK chip with pass 2.5 of the EV6 500MHz chip. The FCO was issued in late 1999, I early 2000. This ONLY affected EV6 500MHz ES40s CPUs with pass 2.3 of theo 21264 Alpha micro.  J    There have been NO FCOs to the EV67 667MHz CPUs or the EV68 833MHz CPUs8 for ES40s and NO FCOs against any of the DS20/DS20E CPUs  
  \Bob Lail  F "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com.nospam> wrote in2 message news:3C4F4B9F.7B513DB7@intel.com.nospam...C > Back in December, Joel Gallun (who did not include a valid e-mail : > address) posted the following in the "Alphacide" thread: >  > D >      "All of the early SMP ES40s, DS20s (500 & 667MHz) systems had >      to haveC >      their CPUs replaced (FCO) due to problems with memory access D >      synchronization under heavy load. At my site we will probably >      get theE >      last FCO done as the last system goes onto the loading dock to)	 >      bea* >      returned at the end of it's lease." >)E > Would Joel, or anyone else who has experienced this, please contacto9 > me (offline or not) with an FCO and/or SRQ case number?A >eB > I had brought this issue up with our Gold support team, but theyB > couldn't find any reference or other indication of problems with > "early SMP ES40's or DS20's".) >  >      Thanks, Ken >Y > --8 > I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... >e > Ken Fairfieldk# > F20 Automation VMS System SupportA > kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com  >E >R   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:51:13 -0500S% From: Sarah Page <Sarah.Page@sas.com>UG Subject: Re: Problems with IO$_SETMODE | IO$M_WRTATTN I/O Function Coder2 Message-ID: <4h5QPCtRphUegDc=s694Jk1RD4Zo@4ax.com>  C Thanks a ton.  Yes, I'm embarassed about having the arguments mixedDC up, it should've been obvious based on the results I was getting ;)e  E On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:32:12 -0500, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:e  ' >On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Sarah Page wrote:  >0I >> I create a temporary mailbox (nmbx_chan) and then immediately make the  >> following call: >> =F >> status = SYS$QIOW (0, nmbx_chan, IO$_SETMODE | IO$M_WRTATTN, &iosb,) >> &myAST,  nmbx_chan, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0);S >> TE >> The way I read the doc, this call says, "Call the myAST() functionEF >> when something is written to the mailbox and no reader is present." >> uI >> myAST() is hit immediately (even though I *know* that NOTHING has beencI >> written to the mailbox).  myAST() does a QIOW() on nmbx_chan using the G >> IO$_READVBLK function code, and the call hangs indefinately, further I >> proving that there is nothing in the mailbox!  So why is my AST hit as G >> soon as I establish it for unsolicited writes to the mailbox, beforeoE >> anything is written to the mailbox?  I got the same results when Ie8 >> tried with the READATTN function code just for kicks. >>  
 >> Thanks. > A >The AST arg to sys$qio[w] is the completion AST for the i/o, not-6 >the attention AST that might ultimately be delivered. >r> >The completion AST is delivered as soon as the i/o completes.< >This happens synchronously, since you are doing a sys$qiow.< >Delivery of this AST just means the driver has received the8 >io$_setmode function and processed it (by setting up an! >attention AST, but see below...)a >e< >You seem to be wanting myAST() to be the attention AST, not; >the completion AST, and you also seem to want nmbx_chan toe< >be the attention AST parameter.  These are passed as P1 and9 >P2 to the QIOW (you are passing 0's for both these.)  Soi >you should be using:e >eD >status = SYS$QIOW (0, nmbx_chan, IO$_SETMODE | IO$M_WRTATTN, &iosb,' >0, 0, &myAST,  nmbx_chan, 0, 0, 0, 0);E >R7 >If you want both a completion AST and an attention AST_= >(different routines, triggered under different circumstancesa: >which presumably do different things) then you would use: >gD >status = SYS$QIOW (0, nmbx_chan, IO$_SETMODE | IO$M_WRTATTN, &iosb,> >&myAST_comp,  nmbx_chan, &myAST_attn, nmbx_chan, 0, 0, 0, 0); > ? >where myAST_comp() is the completion (of the QIOW) routine and.' >myAST_attn() is the attention routine.  > ; >As someone else pointed out, be sure that any data that ism> >needed by an AST routine is statically allocated, or it could: >be gone by the time the AST is triggered, and the routine@ >could end up reading or writing random memory!  This especially; >applies to IOSB's used with SYS$QIO (non-"W"), but also tor@ >anything else, such as the channel number you are using for the >AST parameter.n >A> >See Section 4.3.4 of the I/O User's Reference Manual (sectionD >cited is in the V7.3 manual; could be different in other versions.) >N >Hope this helps.V   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jan 2002 06:28 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)S  Subject: Re: Q on the phone dial- Message-ID: <24JAN200206285361@gerg.tamu.edu>t  8 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes.... }<Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com> wrote in message5 }news:OFD9BF2D0F.96CAF644-ON00256B4A.005A83F2@btyp...T
 }> Really? }>  }> It's on '7' on all my phones. }> }> Are US phones different?n }> } I }One of my landline phones sports the Big Q on the keypad, the other doesE }not.O } 8 }So much for Compaq's praises of Industry Standards, eh?  < On "traditional" ("legacy"?) US phones only 2 through 9 have: letters and each has exactly 3. This gives you 24 letters.! The two missing ones are Q and Z.   @ Way back when, exchanges were given as two letters and a number.< The letters were then expanded to a word where the first twoB letters of the word were the two letters of the exchange. Remember= the song "Pennsylvania 6-5000"? That corresponds to the phone  number PE6-5000, or 736-5000.s  / See: http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:29:47 -0000n* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: Q on the phone dial, Message-ID: <a2mven$2uf2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  X "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:3C4EFA66.7C97F28@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:SL > > One of my landline phones sports the Big Q on the keypad, the other does > > not. >=: > Lettering of keypads was never a international standard.  E It's a brave man that claims that there is an area of human existance , untouched by standards bodies. See ITU E.161   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:44:19 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>   Subject: Re: Q on the phone dial8 Message-ID: <1p905u0r2idtka824g31cehpuuamunvcte@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:01:12 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>t wrote:   >d >s5 >(Payphones also did not have letters on the keypad).i  B Hong Kong being British until recently would have followed BritishA standards prior to deregulation. The Post Office. when it was the F government monopoly PTT decided to phase out the use of letters in theC 70s. Starting late 80s/early 90s or thereabouts they started to put A them back on again. Some time in between I think an internationalr standard was agreed.    C Most people in the UK don't know this but the area codes in Britain > although always quoted as numeric are based on the place name.F Although number space re-org has hidden this further you can still seeA it if you know where to look. For example. Dundee (1382) is 1DU2, B Dunfermline (1383) 1DU3, Aberdeen (1224) 1AB4,  Perth (1738) 1PE8,D Watford (1923) 1WA3. So for all but the largest cities it is usuallyC still the case that digits 2 and 3 actually come from the first two  letters of the town name.w -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:03:53 +0000F  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com( Subject: Re: setting the record straight: Message-ID: <OFBB7D02C9.4A2D39D1-ON00256B4B.004790ED@btyp>  , Well, are we talking about units or revenue?  J Revenue for VMS can grow even if the sales number shrinks, if it costs you1 more. I'm NOT saying that's the case here though.a   Steve St        K "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.signaltreesolutions.com> on 01/24/2002n 05:33:32 AMi    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:hI From:      "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.signaltreesolutions.com>,m%            24 January 2002, 5:33 a.m.e   Re: setting the record straight     2 > JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message( news:<3C4E2E7D.88DB343B@videotron.ca>...    7 >>In 2000, when VMS sales were in negative growth . . .e    @ My undergraduate career in mathematics was sadly cut short afterH three-dimensional calculus because I was spending too much time thinkingF about literature, history, religion, and, um, other romantic subjects.G So, for those who stayed the course, exactly which branch of modern (ore9 postmodern) mathematics would describe +9% as "negative"?e            F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasvG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,h$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedmK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.o  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.   I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,uD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:43:25 -0000z& From: "Dan" <djboxall@taz.qinetiq.com>$ Subject: ssh server for OpenVMS v7.1- Message-ID: <a2p6a6$e5v$1@hamble.qinetiq.com>   6 I am in search of ssh server tailored for OpenVMS v7.1L If anyone can point me in the right direction or know of where I can get it, please can you let me know.e   Cheers Dane   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:29:05 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: ssh server for OpenVMS v7.1+ Message-ID: <a2p981$gmp$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>r  V In article <a2p6a6$e5v$1@hamble.qinetiq.com>, "Dan" <djboxall@taz.qinetiq.com> writes:7 >I am in search of ssh server tailored for OpenVMS v7.10M >If anyone can point me in the right direction or know of where I can get it,c >please can you let me know. >e >Cheersv >Dan >h >s  I There are SSH servers available as part of the Multinet and TCPWARE TCPIP6F stacks for VMS. These are currently version 1 SSH servers but will be 8 version 2 servers with the next release of these stacks.  E There is also a Public Domain SSH server written by David Jones (The c7 author of the Decthreads OSU Webserver) available at   t0 http://kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu/~JONESD/ssh/DOC/  N This supports SSH 1.5 and I believe David Jones is on record as saying that he3 does not plan to alter it to support SSH version 2.D    L As far as I am aware these are the only SSH servers for VMS. I don't believeN anyone has ported Openssh (from www.openssh.org which does support SSH version 2 ) to VMS.h  
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   </table>   </center>0 </div>   </body>m   </html>u   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:25:23 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)9- Subject: Re: WTB:Freeware 4 or 5 CD for sale? 3 Message-ID: <SgdbY2WxN04E@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  U In article <3C4EDE15.1D5708C8@caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes:a > John Forkosh wrote:o >> eE >> I purchased Freeware 5 CD from them back on Sept 4, 2001, for $25."I >> Call 1-800-DIGITAL (or 1-800-ATCOMPAQ, I can't recall which I dialed),l+ >> and ask for QA-6KZAA-H8.  Worked for me.r > 9 > One of my bigger pet peeves.  Since no telephone buttoni: > is labeled with a Q one cannot dial ATCOMPAQ.  I wonder ' > if they own all numbers ATCOMPA[0-9]?F > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu  F    Originally phones had neither Q or Z.  When doing alphabetics, someL    older systems had put them both on 1 or 0.  The current standard is PQRS G    on 7 and WXYZ on 9.  Newer phones show them that way.  Newer systems /    assume that standard when doing alphabetics.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:09:20 +0100=$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The/ Message-ID: <wPS38.54$l43.2316@news.get2net.dk>    Pay tell .... Pray tell ...   : "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> wrote in message/ news:a2lt40$1271sm$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de...d >"4 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message' > news:3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca...h >1+ > > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella.  >t* > Have you seen what goes into that stuff? >o > <retches>  >g > -- >  > Mark Wallace > ____________________________ >t > You want nanomachines?$ > I'll give you bloody nanomachines!3 > http://humorpages.virtualave.net/m-pages/nmaj.htm  > ____________________________ >  >  >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:38:22 +0100S/ From: "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl>=D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The5 Message-ID: <a2p2qn$11offn$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de>i  / "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in messagef) news:wPS38.54$l43.2316@news.get2net.dk... < > "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> wrote in message1 > news:a2lt40$1271sm$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de...l > >n6 > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message) > > news:3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca...  > > - > > > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella.= > >0, > > Have you seen what goes into that stuff? > >n
 > > <retches>  >  > Pay tell .... Pray tell ...P  B Well, you know the parts of a cow that don't make it to the plates of the best restaurants...   --   Mark Wallace ____________________________   You want nanomachines?" I'll give you bloody nanomachines!1 http://humorpages.virtualave.net/m-pages/nmaj.htm  ____________________________   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 08:32:15 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)sD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The3 Message-ID: <wTFL7UOq7y9V@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  Z In article <572.788T850T7523903@sky.bus.com>, "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@sky.bus.com> writes:H > In article <a2kuk2$pch$1@news.panix.com> never+mail@panics.com.invalid > (Michael Roach) writes:; >  >>Lumberjacks are from NZ? > # > Yes, and they're all named Bruce.; > & > "Oh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK..." >   5    Dinty Moore Stew chili is the national food of NZ?s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:52:17 GMT") From: Bob Willard <bobwbsgs@mediaone.net>tD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The, Message-ID: <3C502028.50DFC250@mediaone.net>   Mark Wallace wrote:  > 1 > "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in messageo+ > news:wPS38.54$l43.2316@news.get2net.dk... > > > "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> wrote in message3 > > news:a2lt40$1271sm$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de...; > > >-8 > > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message+ > > > news:3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca...  > > >n/ > > > > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella.e > > >o. > > > Have you seen what goes into that stuff? > > >T > > > <retches>  > >  > > Pay tell .... Pray tell ...s > D > Well, you know the parts of a cow that don't make it to the plates > of the best restaurants...   That's udder nonsense. --   Cheers, Bobu   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:17:02 GMT , From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The% Message-ID: <1011827822snz@dsl.co.uk>e  + In article <3C4DEA60.3B84A44E@ntlworld.com>o2            bass.a.voice@ntlworld.com "DJR" writes:   > Alan Jones wrote:oP > > BrE: scone is usually pronounced 'skon' (I dare not use 'gone' as the rhyme,L > > because in BrE "gone" is sometimes 'gawn' - old-fashioned posh). "Scone": > > rhymed with "own" is by some thought not quite proper  > J > Some UK English speakers may disagree entirely with this and assert that? > the "correct" pronunciation of scone is to rhyme with "cone".a  H And has already been remarked in the thread, such people will be pseuds,B who doubtless also allow their little fingers to poke out from theB teacup, and refer to serviettes and toilets.  This is mock-genteel  affectation, and decidely non-U.   -- >M Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uksM     "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of=M     distributed ignorance.  And we know and understand less while being incr- M     easingly capable."              Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labst   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:26:58 +0100i$ From: "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com>D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The0 Message-ID: <1BW38.114$l43.3716@news.get2net.dk>  L As I may have remarked, in Australia, the town version is pronounced rhymingF with "cone".  However I seem to recall that in Polanski's Macbeth, theL Scottish town of the same name, IIRC "he's gone to Scone to be invested", is pronounced rhyming "scon".   Such is English.   Dweeb.9 "Brian {Hamilton Kelly}" <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote in message" news:1011827822snz@dsl.co.uk...m- > In article <3C4DEA60.3B84A44E@ntlworld.com>b4 >            bass.a.voice@ntlworld.com "DJR" writes: >  > > Alan Jones wrote:iK > > > BrE: scone is usually pronounced 'skon' (I dare not use 'gone' as the  rhyme,F > > > because in BrE "gone" is sometimes 'gawn' - old-fashioned posh). "Scone""; > > > rhymed with "own" is by some thought not quite propert > >aL > > Some UK English speakers may disagree entirely with this and assert thatA > > the "correct" pronunciation of scone is to rhyme with "cone".a > J > And has already been remarked in the thread, such people will be pseuds,D > who doubtless also allow their little fingers to poke out from theD > teacup, and refer to serviettes and toilets.  This is mock-genteel" > affectation, and decidely non-U. >< > -- > Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
 bhk@dsl.co.ukcL >     "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one ofI >     distributed ignorance.  And we know and understand less while being  incr- J >     easingly capable."              Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:23:46 GMTt' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com>zD Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The) Message-ID: <3C504D3A.EEF8D43B@yahoo.com>    Mark Wallace wrote:  > 1 > "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in messages+ > news:wPS38.54$l43.2316@news.get2net.dk... > > > "Mark Wallace" <mwallacenospam@noknok.nl> wrote in message3 > > news:a2lt40$1271sm$1@ID-51325.news.dfncis.de...r > > > 8 > > > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message+ > > > news:3C4E5AB1.C75106D@videotron.ca...  > > > / > > > > As for myself, I am partial to Nutella.a > > > . > > > Have you seen what goes into that stuff? > > >t > > > <retches>t > >" > > Pay tell .... Pray tell ...d > D > Well, you know the parts of a cow that don't make it to the plates > of the best restaurants...  ; Or of pigs.  When I was about 14 I worked for the stingiest = butcher in town.  One of the jobs he put me to was making the = sausages.  I saw exactly what went into them :-[  Took me ten-> years before I could eat a sausage again, and I am still learyB several generations later.  I hope health regulations and lawsuits have improved the breed.   -- >@ Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.p=    (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified)s0    mailto:uce@ftc.gov  (for spambots to harvest)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:54:13 +0000 (UTC) " From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The       demise       o 5 Message-ID: <3c72cf6b.155808181@news.btopenworld.com>   > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:15:02 -0500, shannon@news.widomaker.com# (Charles Shannon Hendrix) sprachen:s  . >> A poof jumps on your back, what do you do ? >> 	1- do you let him do it,   >> or	2- do you pull him off ? >iE >I don't get it... we know what a poof is.  I thought that originateddA >over here.  In fact, two Aussies I met don't know what it means./  E "pull him off". To "pull", with the hand. "off". You know! <Joan-Simst style sexy smirk>m  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:46:16 -0800 D From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@dev-uni.de>Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The    demise of compaq  * Message-ID: <3C4F3D38.E138DDDB@dev-uni.de>  G > Have you come across a book called "How to be an Alien"? I forget theLG > author's name, but he relates in an extremely amusing way what it was < > like being a foreigner in London back in the 1920s or 30s.  F George (?) Mikes, I believe. There was also a second book on a similar: subject. I agree that it's really wonderful - a must-have.   	Jan   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:54:12 +0000 (UTC)c" From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukY Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaq 5 Message-ID: <3c71cf4d.155777496@news.btopenworld.com>   C On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:27:49 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>p	 sprachen:   K >I figured that perhaps the couple was quite liberated and that the husband;1 >didn't mind the wife fooling around with gays...l  E To me, for some curious reason, it'd mean picking up a couple of fagsb- for HIM so they could have a comedy foursome.y   > until I learned of the real + >meaning of the word "fag" in intl english.   F You mean in "English". We're the English and we're the only people whoA speak English. Except those southerners and people from Scotland.i  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)&   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 13:22:17 +0100F From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F8yer?= Kristiansen <martin@netimage.dk>Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaqe+ Message-ID: <3C4FFCB7.625DBA43@netimage.dk>   # greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:w > E > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:27:49 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>  > sprachen:s > M > >I figured that perhaps the couple was quite liberated and that the husbandr3 > >didn't mind the wife fooling around with gays...< > G > To me, for some curious reason, it'd mean picking up a couple of fagsi/ > for HIM so they could have a comedy foursome./ >  > > until I learned of the real.- > >meaning of the word "fag" in intl english.b > H > You mean in "English". We're the English and we're the only people whoC > speak English. Except those southerners and people from Scotland.o   Scottish qualify as english?  - Surely, American english qualifies too, then.   D My kid brother were home 2 weeks ago after a long time in Edinburgh,	 Scotland.   D He spoke danish with english grammar and scottish accent; completely incomprehensible.1   Cheers Martin   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:23:47 GMT ' From: CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> Y Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of      compaq&) Message-ID: <3C504FB2.CE41EF8F@yahoo.com>"  # greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:a > E > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:27:49 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>e > sprachen:o >  ... snip ... >  > > until I learned of the realo- > >meaning of the word "fag" in intl english.  > H > You mean in "English". We're the English and we're the only people whoC > speak English. Except those southerners and people from Scotland.-  A You are making a common mistake.  Only Canadians originating fromS= the western suburbs of Montreal speak English, all others arer: subject to some form or other of regional dialects.  I canA personally vouch for this.  Some areas used to speak English, buti= have descended into archaisms, parochial idioms, and peculiara6 accents.  Luckily, with tolerance, they remain largely understandable.1   --  @ Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@XXXXworldnet.att.net);    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. =    (Remove "XXXX" from reply address. yahoo works unmodified)s0    mailto:uce@ftc.gov  (for spambots to harvest)   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:54:11 +0000 (UTC)=" From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukX Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise of   compaq )5 Message-ID: <3c6fce40.155509176@news.btopenworld.com>F  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:02:28 -0500, shannon@news.widomaker.com# (Charles Shannon Hendrix) sprachen:r  G >What was the lines in some computer manuals from Britain talking about * >"chips that pass in the night" all about?  = "Ships that pass in the night" is an old 1940s (or maybe it'soC Shakespeare or even older) romantic term. 2 ships can pass close tooC each other in the dark, and never even know they were near. If they ) didn't have GPS and radio and everything.n  F While I'm clearly outside my field of expertise (ha! ha!) the romanticD term is when people come very close to love, but miss it, oblivious.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)F   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jan 2002 02:13:40 -0800% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> D Subject: Re: [Q]: Problems with early ES40's & DS20's? (Joel Gallun)) Message-ID: <a2omok02hrb@drn.newsguy.com>o  A In article <3C4F4B9F.7B513DB7@intel.com.nospam>, "Kenneth says...sE >>Would Joel, or anyone else who has experienced this, please contactF8 >me (offline or not) with an FCO and/or SRQ case number?  P No specific details I'm afraid but I can confirm that Field Service upgraded oneI of our ES40s on installation telling me their was a mandatory CPU upgradecP required. In fact IIRC it came pre-built with two CPUs and would not boot due toP incompatible revisions. How it got passed the supposed tests before it got to usM is a mystery. Well actually it isn't - Compaq had subcontracted that functionl% out and the job wasn't done properly.   A >I had brought this issue up with our Gold support team, but they A >couldn't find any reference or other indication of problems with= >"early SMP ES40's or DS20's". >0 >     Thanks, Ken> >d >-- 7 >I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...> >  >Ken Fairfield" >F20 Automation VMS System Support >kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com >6 >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.046 ************************