0 INFO-VAX	Tue, 29 Jan 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 56      Contents:' %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE with lib/create/obj + Re: %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE with lib/create/obj + Re: %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE with lib/create/obj % Re: Alphaserver 4100: physical memory % Re: Alphaserver 4100: physical memory % Re: Alphaserver 4100: physical memory 3 Apache Virtual directory within a virtual directory 7 Re: Apache Virtual directory within a virtual directory = Re: Attunity:  %SYSTEM-W-UNWIND, unwind currently in progress  Re: Blade announcement Re: Blade announcement Re: Blade announcement Re: Blade announcement Re: Blade announcement Re: Blade announcementD Re: Capellas redefines Industry Standard to mean Windows *and* Linux$ Re: Compaq editing webcasts again!!!  Compaq editing webcasts again!!! Re: Compaq financial conference M Re: Compaq site has link to Gradient Technologies DCE but not for VMS or NSK. 1 Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq 5 Re: Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq 5 Re: Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq " Re: Cross Compiler to SUN/Solaris?" Re: Cross Compiler to SUN/Solaris? Re: DCE Programming " Re: DCOM Programming Under OpenVMS" Re: DCOM Programming Under OpenVMSP Re: DECW$SERVER_0 dies periodically; X11 colour wheel program blackouts the screP DECW$SERVER_0 dies periodically; X11 colour wheel program blackouts the screen f Disaster recovery - success!  Re: Disaster recovery - success!  Re: Disaster recovery - success!  RE: Disaster recovery - success!  Re: Disaster recovery - success!  Re: Disaster recovery - success!  Re: Disaster recovery - success!  RE: Disaster recovery - success!
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 suspend a job  Re: suspend a job  Re: suspend a job  The value of a leader  Re: The value of a leader  There must be a way $ Using PortMapper to run an IP Server vax / decnet license query Re: vax / decnet license query VMS 7.1-1H2 and TCPIP 5.1 ECO3& Re: VMS person looking for a job in UK2 Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)6 Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)6 Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...); Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 02:25:51 -0800, From: tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung)0 Subject: %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE with lib/create/obj= Message-ID: <f9dc0a5a.0201290225.4907c496@posting.google.com>    Hi,   A I have 33 C++ OBJ files. I used to build an application by simply B linking with all those OBJ files. However, sooner or later I wouldA have reached the 1024 character limits by DCL when specifying the  cxxlink command.  < I have tried to put all those OBJ files into an OLB files by   lib/create/obj prsbase" lib/insert prsbase <all obj files>  A However, when I perform the lib/insert, it complains with lots of   similar error messages as below,  E %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE, module CXX$DTQ128RFRNCCUNTDSMRT0TBQUSM from file 6 A1$DKB0:[USER.TONY.PROJECT.PRS.BASE]PRSTRANSPORT.OBJ;1=  already in A1$DKB0:[USER.TONY.PROJECT.PRS.BASE]PRSBASE.OLB;1   D Eventually I am not able to put all those 33 OBJ files into a single; OLB file. I am not sure why the LIBRAR-W_DUPMODULE happens.   D Does anyone have any clue why it may occurs? I am using templates in	 my codes.    Thank you so much!   Tony Cheung    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 07:16:48 -0800, From: tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung)4 Subject: Re: %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE with lib/create/obj= Message-ID: <f9dc0a5a.0201290716.3b0f9e3e@posting.google.com>    Hi All,   F I have just solved the problem myself, though I do not understand why.  D Instead of doing cxx a,b,c,...etc (compilation in one cxx statement)  8 I am doing cxx a, cxx b, cxx c. (compilation one by one)  5 Then lib/insert prsbase <all obj files> simply works!   B I suppose cxx a,b,c is the same as cxx a, cxx b then cxx c. But it# turns out differently in this case.   # Any expert know the reasons behind?    Thank you very much.   Tony  q tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung) wrote in message news:<f9dc0a5a.0201290225.4907c496@posting.google.com>...  > Hi,  > C > I have 33 C++ OBJ files. I used to build an application by simply D > linking with all those OBJ files. However, sooner or later I wouldC > have reached the 1024 character limits by DCL when specifying the  > cxxlink command. > > > I have tried to put all those OBJ files into an OLB files by >  > lib/create/obj prsbase$ > lib/insert prsbase <all obj files> > C > However, when I perform the lib/insert, it complains with lots of " > similar error messages as below, > G > %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE, module CXX$DTQ128RFRNCCUNTDSMRT0TBQUSM from file 8 > A1$DKB0:[USER.TONY.PROJECT.PRS.BASE]PRSTRANSPORT.OBJ;1? >  already in A1$DKB0:[USER.TONY.PROJECT.PRS.BASE]PRSBASE.OLB;1  > F > Eventually I am not able to put all those 33 OBJ files into a single= > OLB file. I am not sure why the LIBRAR-W_DUPMODULE happens.  > F > Does anyone have any clue why it may occurs? I am using templates in > my codes.  >  > Thank you so much! > 
 > Tony Cheung    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2002 17:39:11 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 4 Subject: Re: %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE with lib/create/obj0 Message-ID: <a36mnv$4h3$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  l In article <f9dc0a5a.0201290716.3b0f9e3e@posting.google.com>, tony.cheung@asiayeah.com (Tony Cheung) writes:  G >I have just solved the problem myself, though I do not understand why. E >Instead of doing cxx a,b,c,...etc (compilation in one cxx statement) 9 >I am doing cxx a, cxx b, cxx c. (compilation one by one) 6 >Then lib/insert prsbase <all obj files> simply works! > C >I suppose cxx a,b,c is the same as cxx a, cxx b then cxx c. But it $ >turns out differently in this case.  J No, "cxx a,b,c" will result in a single object file "a.obj" containing allI the modules in a, b and c. Now when you insert a.obj into the library and J you try to insert b.obj afterwards, the procedures of b are already in theI library. Hence the %LIBRAR-W-DUPMODULE error. You may easily check what's  in the library via   LIBRARY/LIST lib.name - You may even want to add the qualifier /FULL.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 02:57:14 -0800 (PST) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>. Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100: physical memory@ Message-ID: <20020129105714.37464.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>   Kenneth    In one machine I have    System Configuration:  ---------------------  System Information: 7 System Type    AlphaServer 4100 5/600 8MB           =20  Primary CPU ID 00 7 Cycle Time     1.6 nsec (598 MHz)                   =20  Pagesize       8192 Byte   Memory Configuration: / Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range  (MByte)        Usage6  #00             0          256         0.0 MB -   =20 2.0 MB    Console 3  #01           256       524023         2.0 MB -=20  4095.9 MB    System 3  #02        524279            9      4095.9 MB -=20  4096.0 MB    Console       And in the other=20        System Configuration:  ---------------------  System Information: 7 System Type    AlphaServer 4X00 5/600 8MB           =20  Primary CPU ID 00 7 Cycle Time     1.6 nsec (598 MHz)                   =20  Pagesize       8192 Byte   Memory Configuration: / Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range  (MByte)        Usage6  #03             0          256         0.0 MB -   =20 2.0 MB    Console 3  #04           256       786163         2.0 MB -=20  6143.8 MB    System 3  #05        786419           13      6143.8 MB -=20  6144.0 MB    Console        # How can I check the slots here ?=20    Regards    FC=20  --- "Kenneth H. Fairfield"- <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com.nospam> wrote:  > David McKenzie wrote:  >=204 > > Hmm don't have a system close, but Ithought clue > might show this  >=20 >     Good catch!  >=204 >     Fabio, go into SDA ($ ANAL/SYSTEM) and do SDA> > CLUE CONFIG . 4 > That will list out the memory options on the first > screen of output.  >=20 > --2 > I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for > me...  >=20 > Ken Fairfield # > F20 Automation VMS System Support  > kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com  >=20 >=20     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D  F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?5 Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!=20  http://auctions.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:36:13 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk. Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100: physical memory+ Message-ID: <a361fd$oo0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   v In article <3C55AF71.A61C5AC6@intel.com.nospam>, "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com.nospam> writes: >David McKenzie wrote: > C >> Hmm don't have a system close, but Ithought clue might show this  >  >    Good catch! > A >    Fabio, go into SDA ($ ANAL/SYSTEM) and do SDA> CLUE CONFIG . E >That will list out the memory options on the first screen of output.  >  >-- 7 >I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  >   7 No. The first screen gives a logical view of the memory    eg   System Configuration:  ---------------------  System Information: I System Type   AlphaServer 2100 5/300                    Primary CPU ID 00 K Cycle Time    3.4 nsec (291 MHz)                        Pagesize       8192  Byte   Memory Configuration: D Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range (MByte)        UsageF  #00             0          256         0.0 MB -     2.0 MB    ConsoleE  #01           256       163575         2.0 MB -  1279.9 MB    System F  #02        163831            9      1279.9 MB -  1280.0 MB    Console4                                                       M You need to look at subsequent screens to see the individual memory boards :-    Adapter Configuration: ----------------------F TR Adapter     ADP               Hose Bus   BusArrayEntry     Node CSR'   Vec/IRQ Port Slot Device Name / HW-Id B -- ----------- ----------------- ---- ----------------------- ----
 ------------- / --------- ---- ---- --------------------------- *  1 KA0905      FFFFFFFF.810A4580    0 CBUSB                                             FFFFFFFF.810A4818    0
 FFFFFFFF.924D  C000              0 KA0902_CPUB                                             FFFFFFFF.810A4850    1
 FFFFFFFF.924D  E000              1 KA0902_CPUB                                             FFFFFFFF.810A4888    2
 FFFFFFFF.924E  0000              2 KA0902_CPUB                                             FFFFFFFF.810A48F8    4
 FFFFFFFF.924E  2000              4 KA0902_MEMB                                             FFFFFFFF.810A4930    5
 FFFFFFFF.924E  4000              5 KA0902_MEMB                                             FFFFFFFF.810A4968    6
 FFFFFFFF.924E  6000              6 KA0902_MEMB                                             FFFFFFFF.810A49A0    7
 FFFFFFFF.924E  8000              7 KA0902_MEM  H Even then that doesn't tell you how big each board is just the number of memory boards you have.   O The above system has two 512MB boards and two 128MB boards but all it shows is  I 4 KA0902_MEM entries. (If you are an expert using SDA you may be able to  G get further information with other commands but I sure don't know how).     $ (This is on a VMS 7.3 Alpha system).  N I believe the only way to really see the configuaration is from the >>> promptL for VMS. It would be extremely useful if SDA could be altered to allow it to2 display all the info available from the >>> level.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:55:15 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger). Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100: physical memoryK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2901020755160001@1cust113.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   F In article <20020129105714.37464.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio) Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:     : Please (if possible) turn off "quoted-printable" encoding!   >Kenneth >  >In one machine I have >  >System Configuration: >--------------------- >System Information:8 >System Type    AlphaServer 4100 5/600 8MB           =20 >Primary CPU ID 008 >Cycle Time     1.6 nsec (598 MHz)                   =20 >Pagesize       8192 Byte  >  >Memory Configuration:0 >Cluster    PFN Start    PFN Count         Range >(MByte)        Usage 7 > #00             0          256         0.0 MB -   =20  >2.0 MB    Console4 > #01           256       524023         2.0 MB -=20 >4095.9 MB    System4 > #02        524279            9      4095.9 MB -=20 >4096.0 MB    Console     J This shows only the coarsest view of memory allocation between the console< and the OS.  Nothing about the physical layout in the slots.  G I don't think there is a general way to get this information that works I across all alpha platforms.  It's a low-level detail of the hardware, and G many schemes have been used.  The OS does not need to know the physical  layout, and AFAIK it does not.  F The console does not necessarily know about the slots either.  ConsoleG firmware sizes and tests the memory, but it has a "logical" view, not a @ slot-based view.  Sometimes these differ.  For example, on a DECG 3000-400/500/600/700/800/900 system, the console displays twice as many H "logical" memory banks as the actual number of physical memory options. G In these systems, a memory option consists of 8 DIMMs grouped a certain F way in the slots.  A logical memory bank, as displayed by the console,J turns out to consist of all the memory on 1 side of all 8 DIMMs.  If thereB are memory chips on the other side of the DIMMs (they come in both? varieties), those chips make another logical bank.  So on a DEC H 3000-400/600/700, there are 4 logical banks, 2 physical memory kits, andG 16 DIMM slots.  On a 3000-500/800/900, double all these numbers. Memory I controller hardware obviously knows how to sort this out, but the console G simply probes addresses and deduces what's present from the response ofLJ the memory subsystem.  The console builds memory descriptor tables for theG OS to access, and that is approximately what CLUE CONFIG is showing you1 above.    B For the DEC 3000 models, the "system programmer's manual" has beenF available around the web; it details the memory subsystem, and revealsF that there are memory descriptor registers in the hardware.  A programH could map these registers into virtual memory and get enough informationE from them to figure out the memory slot occupancy  -- but the programeJ wouldn't work on any other system.  Similar manuals probably exist for allH the alpha systems, but I suspect they are never seen outside of DigipaQ.  H If you want more detail about how the console and the OS discuss memory,H look in the Internals and Data Structures book; IIRC the structures hangF off the HWRPB somewhere.  But this won't answer the original question.  J The best (available source of information for an alpha system is likely toG be the service guide, which is typically not shipped with a new system,lF but is orderable.  The part number should be referenced in the owner'sF guide.  These documents should tell you what memory configurations areH allowed and how the slots are grouped.  After that, you will likely needH to open up the box and see what is already installed, unless someone was( wise enough to write it down previously.  E Sometimes the memory capacity of a system grows after the manuals are!G written, as bigger memory chips become available.  On some systems, the I memory subsystem is designed to work with these future possibilities, but.I such overcapacity configurations may not be tested and documented for thecH outside world to know about them.  The system will either see the memory< or it won't; power supply considerations can be more subtle.  J On newer alpha systems, there is some infrastructure to descibe the "fieldB replaceable units" (FRUs) in a system.  When such a description is@ available, it likely includes individual memory modules, but notI necessarily the groups of modules that make up a "kit" of memory.  Again,0F this stuff is generally hanging around the HWRPB somewhere, but is notI documented. Tools such as Compaq Analyze (shudder) are available that cans9 likely find this information and translate it to English.f  F I'm not particularly familiar with the Alphaserver 4100.  I don't knowJ what it has in the area of FRU information lurking within its dustier data structures.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:51:02 -0700s- From: "Rowell, Bradley" <browell@state.mt.us> < Subject: Apache Virtual directory within a virtual directory@ Message-ID: <1245D1C0C039D411933708002BB29C644B2E22@DOAISD02003>  G How do I create an Apache virtual directory within a virtual directory:  ie.r  J I want to access HTTP://server/brad and HTTP://server/brad/stuff where the/ stuff directory is located different than brad.nL Below is how I thought it might be done but doesn't work.  Any help would be appreciated.   Alias /brad /fc101/bradT <Directory /fc101/stuff>   Options Indexes2   Order allow,deny   AllowOverride All    Allow from all </Directory>   Alias /brad/stuff /fc101/stuff <Directory /fc101/stuff>   Options Indexess   Order allow,deny   AllowOverride All    Allow from all </Directory>    , -------------------------------------------- Bradley G. Rowelll$ Montana Department of Transportation 2701 Prospect Avenue
 PO Box 201001  Helena, MT  59620-1001 (406) 444-7263 browell@state.mt.ush, --------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:53:52 GMT-L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")@ Subject: Re: Apache Virtual directory within a virtual directory8 Message-ID: <00A08C3B.B3F249FC@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  p In article <1245D1C0C039D411933708002BB29C644B2E22@DOAISD02003>, "Rowell, Bradley" <browell@state.mt.us> writes:H >How do I create an Apache virtual directory within a virtual directory: >ie. >wK >I want to access HTTP://server/brad and HTTP://server/brad/stuff where thel0 >stuff directory is located different than brad.M >Below is how I thought it might be done but doesn't work.  Any help would beb
 >appreciated.e >, >Alias /brad /fc101/brad ><Directory /fc101/stuff>s >  Options Indexes >  Order allow,deny  >  AllowOverride All >  Allow from allN
 ></Directory>S >r >Alias /brad/stuff /fc101/stuffE ><Directory /fc101/stuff>J >  Options Indexes >  Order allow,denyT >  AllowOverride All >  Allow from alla
 ></Directory>u    H I'll assume that the fact that you don't have anything giving access to D /fc101/brad and have /fc101/stuff twice is just a typo in this post.  L Did you try reversing the order of the alias statements, putting the one forJ /brad/stuff before the one for /brad ?  I believe that getting a match on E /brad as the URL prefix will make Apache bail out before looking for tJ an alias for /brad/stuff, and then it'll, of course, try to find files in ' /fc101/brad/stuff, which doesn't exist.e   -- Alans    O ===============================================================================n0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056pM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210tO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:21:50 +0100 (MET)e9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>>F Subject: Re: Attunity:  %SYSTEM-W-UNWIND, unwind currently in progress; Message-ID: <01KDN1QU7ADE8ZJH7N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>s  3 > We are installing Attunity 3.2 in our developmente! > server: OpenVMS 7.3 / TCPIP 5.1 3 > and we are receive the message below in our logs.h6 > We didnt understand the reason of this message and I4 > looked for some informaion at the Wizard and didnt > discover anythig.r >  > $ HELP/MESSAGE unwinds > $ > an unwind operation. The operating > system does not normally > display this message.8  G I think that you should never see this message as an end user; I think T7 its presence indicates that there is an internal error.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:12:39 -0500O% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>m Subject: Re: Blade announcementU, Message-ID: <3C567597.FEF09BB3@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > C > QuickBlade + Marvel + Adaptive Infrastructure software + Galaxy =  > FIRE/ICE/WIND-  M The way the announcement was worded, it was simply a way to stack wintel 8086(N CPUs in a dense cabinet allowing 286 wintel servers to be in the same cabinet.J This seems to me to have nothing to do with wilffire and even less galaxy.  G Do these blade 8086 servers share memory or some form of interconnect ?i   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 10:16:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Blade announcementt- Message-ID: <87bsfdewac.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  ' JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes:l  D > Yep, managing 280 windows servers will definitely save valuable ITB > staff time....  Can you alt-ctrl-del all 280 servers at the same > time ?  " No, one at a time. Job security :)  lC > When one considers the RAM used by the windows kernel, having 280eB > instances of windows surely starts to waste sufficient resourcesF > (both disk and ram) to become less cost effective than a real Sun orE > IBM server ? (Alpha being dead, it is pointless to present it as anR > alternative).   F I wonder how much 280 instances worth of zSeries IBM will hit you for.  E If theses are the great white hope for the future, then I am massivly-# underwhelmed!! And PIIIs to boot...r     -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:56:20 GMT,4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Blade announcementj+ Message-ID: <8Sx58.3399$9U4.7310@rwcrnsc54>e  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C567597.FEF09BB3@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > >-E > > QuickBlade + Marvel + Adaptive Infrastructure software + Galaxy =4 > > FIRE/ICE/WIND  > J > The way the announcement was worded, it was simply a way to stack wintel 8086G > CPUs in a dense cabinet allowing 286 wintel servers to be in the samet cabinet.L > This seems to me to have nothing to do with wilffire and even less galaxy.  L Only the first phase of the QuickBlade launch took place yesterday. Look for> a mid-tier (6U) Blade insert in the second quarter or so, then, hgih-performance back-end Blades thereafter.   > I > Do these blade 8086 servers share memory or some form of interconnect ?   L The "fabric" running throughout the BL-box is Ethernet today, it'll morph to3 InfiniBand or a similar interconnect in the future.z   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:06:38 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Blade announcement , Message-ID: <3C56AC5D.4DA202A6@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: N > The "fabric" running throughout the BL-box is Ethernet today, it'll morph to5 > InfiniBand or a similar interconnect in the future.0    I Will infiniband do more than just provide a faster link betewene separate2O nodes ? Will there be shared memory ? Will Windows be able to use any of that ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:08:44 GMTu4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Blade announcement(+ Message-ID: <M1y58.1288$fL5.2678@rwcrnsc53>   2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C56AC5D.4DA202A6@videotron.ca... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:eG > > The "fabric" running throughout the BL-box is Ethernet today, it'lls morph to7 > > InfiniBand or a similar interconnect in the future.= >3 >DK > Will infiniband do more than just provide a faster link betewene separateDJ > nodes ? Will there be shared memory ? Will Windows be able to use any of that ?  I Ultimately all the Compaq enterprise OSes (as well as the lesser Windoze)=I will be able to take advantage of the so-called "adaptive infrastructure"_C software. All CPQ has for Windoze right now is the Windoze ResourceoB Partitioning Manager (RPM) software, but there's other stuff under development.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 08:58:23 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)a Subject: Re: Blade announcement$3 Message-ID: <NbdPl7evhERd@eisner.encompasserve.org>@  T In article <3C56AC5D.4DA202A6@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes: > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: O >> The "fabric" running throughout the BL-box is Ethernet today, it'll morph too6 >> InfiniBand or a similar interconnect in the future. >  > K > Will infiniband do more than just provide a faster link betewene separateoQ > nodes ? Will there be shared memory ? Will Windows be able to use any of that ?   @ 	Infiniband is a high-end interconnect.  A debate rages as to ifF 	infiniband will ever get off the ground with 3GIO being cheaper? but E 	sooner?  Instead of me getting it wrong, here is a fairly good link:   f http://www.extremetech.com/article/0,3396,apn%253D2%2526s%253D1005%2526a%253D18058%2526ap%253D1,00.asp  C 	You can find similar links at Google via infiniband 3gio searches.a  G 	Personally, since Pfister at IBM is involved in infiniband, it will do H 	well (i.e. it "appears" infiniband is IBM's high-end strategy).  It is 6 	high-bandwidth, low latency and offloads the CPU.  As? 	one cynic pointed out "Gee, looks like CI to me!".  Yeah, next  	generation CI is what it is.e   				Robt   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2002 08:21 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)PM Subject: Re: Capellas redefines Industry Standard to mean Windows *and* Linuxe- Message-ID: <29JAN200208211570@gerg.tamu.edu>-  _ In article <01KDKRUS0YOI002PIW@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes...  }Alan Greig said:F } C }>In the financial conference Capellas has just said (I paraphrase)FB }>"there is absolutely no question that industry standard systems  }>(slideA }>defines this as Windows and Linux) are eviscerating proprietary92 }>systems. The era of proprietary systems is over" } E }I trust "eviscerating" was his word not part of your paraphrasing.   @ }Since it seems to make no sense -- what does "disembowelling a A }proprietary system" mean? -- I can understand such ignorant and 9B }pretentious vocabulary after reading some of his other "piece de  }majeste", but not from you. }Regards, Paddy9   It works just fine for me.  D If he had said "killing" would that make sense to you? Probably, butF why? You can't really kill them any more than you can eviscerate them.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:04:55 -0500n% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>t- Subject: Re: Compaq editing webcasts again!!!b, Message-ID: <3C568FDE.5CA67D0F@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:w > B > Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Last year I reported that CompaqE > appeared to have cut some segments from the replayed version of thet- > webcast.. Looks like they've done it again.y  J is there a point to this ? You and I know what Compaq are up to, yet otherN choose to refuse to see it that way, and I do not think that there is anything& you can do to convince them otherwise.  6 Reminds me of an episode of an american TV programme.   L Guy-1 goes out with Girl. Girl invites Guy-2 who works with Guy-2 for dinnerK and insinuates she wants a 3some. Guy-1 doesn't believe and ridicules Guy-2e for being paranoid.a  K So Guy-2 decides to play the game and say that all is fine, even though the.L girl conveniently drops food on their shirts forcing both the guys to removeI shirts, and then invites them in her bedroom at which point Guy-1 finallyaJ realises what she was up to all along and how he had been blind to all the! hints that GUY-2 had pointed to. f  B And Guy-2 simply laughs at the situation and says "I told you so".   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:19:08 +0000m% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ) Subject: Compaq editing webcasts again!!!m8 Message-ID: <geuc5u4tq0dft46dosokbae6q45vpm6fna@4ax.com>  @ Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Last year I reported that CompaqC appeared to have cut some segments from the replayed version of the , webcast.. Looks like they've done it again.   C I watched some of the webcast this year live then replayed the rest ? later (including the Q+A) expecting to be able to further studyaE interesting bits later. In the Q+A section one of the first questionstD from the floor was on the subject of Alpha and customer satisfactionB or otherwise. After giving the standard answer that customers were< deliriously happy Elias(?) added that there was one proviso:B customers, he said were pressing them on completion of the ItaniumE port0 and Compaq understood there was a lot of customer concern aboutC the matter.a  B Today, I returned to the webcast to replay the Q+A section in moreA detail prior to commenting here. Lo and Behold it isn't there any0D more. Yes the entire Q+A section has vanished. I want to stress thatD it *was* available for replay until yesterday. The bit at the end ofD Capellas wrap up speech where he introduces the Q+A section has goneD as well. Due to an editing mixup though the wrap up and introduction< to the Q+A is tacked on to the end of the Financial section.  F So what are Compaq playing at? Why, two years in a row, do they appear/ to have edited the webcast? All very Orwellian.o  F Here are the webcast segments currently available for replay. Note theF lack of the Q+A session! Replay the last 2 mins of the Finance segmentB to hear Capellas introduce it before Compaq have time to edit even	 that out.s   Webcast Segments   Welcome  - 4.1 minutes  Overview - 54.8 minutes p Adaptive Infrastructureo - 19.3 minutes b Enterprise Storage - 25.8 minutes s Business Critical Solutions  - 25.4 minutes i Access and Supply Chain  - 26.4 minutes  ' Global Services and Customer Engagement, - 22.8 minutes r Financea - 38.1 minutes v Wrap Upr - 17.7 minutes d  E Now let's just view source on this and notice that the clip IDs startrE at 3572 through 3578 then jump to 3614 then 3625 for finance and wrapv up. Snip, snip, snip.n  > Can anyone construct a full URL which can be fed to standaloneD realplayer to look for clip IDs 3579 and 3580 in case they are stillE there. Editing source then saving doesn't seem to be good enough. and  attempting to go directly toW http://webevents.broadcast.com/wsp/build_01/english/process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3579 ; (or even an earlier clip id) just results in error on page)    Here's the smoking HTMLu  7 		<TR><TD><A HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3572"i7 target="process"><FONT FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica" : SIZE="1">Welcome</A><BR> - 4.1 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><AA HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3573" target="process"><FONTrA FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica" SIZE="1">Overview</A><BR> - 54.8mF minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><A HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3574"7 target="process"><FONT FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica"a/ SIZE="1">Adaptive Infrastructure</A><BR> - 19.3eF minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><A HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3575"7 target="process"><FONT FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica"mF SIZE="1">Enterprise Storage</A><BR> - 25.8 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><AA HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3576" target="process"><FONTc; FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica" SIZE="1">Business Criticalh4 Solutions</A><BR> - 25.4 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><AA HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3577" target="process"><FONTn; FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica" SIZE="1">Access and Supplyr0 Chain</A><BR> - 26.4 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><AA HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3578" target="process"><FONTiF FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica" SIZE="1">Global Services and Customer5 Engagement</A><BR> - 22.8 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><AhA HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3614" target="process"><FONTt@ FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica" SIZE="1">Finance</A><BR> - 38.1F minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD><A HREF="process.asp?iProcess=0&clip_id=3625"E target="process"><FONT FACE="verdana, arial, helvetica" SIZE="1">Wrapw# Up</A><BR> - 17.7 minutes</TD></TR>r -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:30:39 -0000-- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)m( Subject: Re: Compaq financial conference7 Message-ID: <91A5752C4warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>c  ( jfmezei@videotron.ca (JF Mezei) wrote in" <3C51CF68.2CFBAE22@videotron.ca>:    >Rob Young wrote:iI >> In one such example, Boscov's Department Stores LLC, based in Reading,:E >> Pa., last year decided to replace its 44 Windows NT servers with as* >> single zSeries mainframe running Linux. >tG >IBM is not measured by the volume of wintel boxes it ships. Compaq is..   How is IBM measured?   ws  
 -- snip --   -- f   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:29:27 +0100o$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch>V Subject: Re: Compaq site has link to Gradient Technologies DCE but not for VMS or NSK.% Message-ID: <3c567988$1@news.post.ch>1  
 Please Try; http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/dce/dce_index.html-   regards-   Jakob Erber-    7 "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii@ACM.org> schrieb im Newsbeitraga! news:3C562076.E6768DFC@ACM.org...@
 > On page: >O > Compaq - Operating Systems7 > http://www.compaq.com/products/software/index.html#osi >n > There is a link for DCE: >D) > DCE [Distributed Computing Environment]D% > http://www.tru64unix.compaq.com/dce8 >BL > which states that Gradient Technologies has taken "over responsibility for > development,J > maintenance and support of DCE on Tru64 UNIX and Windows"  and that "DCE on	 > OpenVMSs; > and Compaq NonStop Kernel are not part of the agreement".r >oJ > There is no other link for DCE on the page, just a link for the Gradient > Technologies( > product but not for the one they sell! >A > -- > C.W.Holeman II > cwhii@acm.org http://emle.orgt. > http://also.as/cwhii http://JulianLocals.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:38:51 +0000/% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>O: Subject: Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq8 Message-ID: <c3jd5u8ej653gll16jepekie8flfdgrlbb@4ax.com>  4 In Elias's presentation the following slide appears:   System				Hrs lost per yearf P/Sysplex, Himalaya		2..2h Single Mainframe			8.7 Proprietary (ie OVMS)		17.5i Proprietary Unix			35t NT and MS Cluster Server		69.9 (c) Gartnerr  B Now in 15 years of managing VMS systems and over 20 years of usingF them I can't think of a single system which had a downtime of 17.5 hrsA in one year including hardware and software fails - except for anwA early Pathworks V5 server which I won't count. If a cluster these=E figures are even further out. Where do they come from. Well the slideI shown by Elias credits Gartner.s  > In the two years since the Alphacluster at my current employerB replaced the VAX systems we have had *zero* cluster downtime otherC than in total power shutdown (planned). There has been one software=C crash of one node and no hardware crashes. The node rebooting after D the software crash (LOCKMGRERR) was back online within 5 minutes andF problem was resolved via DSN and fix implemented. Cluster availability was maintained throughout.  D At my previous employer our Admin cluster was up for five years with0 no downtime and that included a rolling upgrade.  D Does Elias believe these figures? If so no wonder he thinks Himalaya is far better than VMS.e  F Slide 9 at ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/corporate/ir/Analyst2002_Elias.ppt! if you want to look for yourself.i -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:34:48 -0500i% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>a> Subject: Re: Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq, Message-ID: <3C56DD18.B6208CCD@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:a > 6 > In Elias's presentation the following slide appears: > 3 > System                          Hrs lost per yeare& > P/Sysplex, Himalaya             2..2- > Single Mainframe                        8.7o& > Proprietary (ie OVMS)           17.5, > Proprietary Unix                        35. > NT and MS Cluster Server                69.9  E Did you add the "OVMS" in there or was it just "proprietary" with you8$ speculating it was refering to VMS ?  M I find it odd that it would put the Sysplex in the same line item as Tandem. t  
 I would have:e Tandem Sysplexl VMS Clusters Single Mainframe
 Unix clustersy Proprietary single noden Unix single node Windows-  K Since Ellias is supposed to be championing Tandem, VMS and Tru64, I find iteK odd that he would not have added comments about VMS clusters in that table.@L Then again, I am not surprised since he is simply following corporate policy) to ignore VMS in financial presentations.e  N When I was close to the Tandem technical folks at a bank in the early 1990s, IG can tell you that they had greater than 2.2 hours of downtime per year.tL Upgrades of software (mandated on specific dates) required the systems to beK unavailable during a few hours at a time. So perhaps they are talking abouts unscheduled downtime.   N Another point to ponder. In a properly configured VMS cluster, it can be quiteL easy to shutdown a node without stopping service. having more flexibility onM how one manages a VMS systems with regards to upgrades etc, the would be moreiK "downtime"  for each node in a VMS cluster simply because it is possible to J bring down a node without affecting service. (Some Tandem configs do allow this for the applications)   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 12:01:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r> Subject: Re: Comparitive reliability figures as used by Compaq3 Message-ID: <Cu1aqYnyc5e7@eisner.encompasserve.org>2  ` In article <c3jd5u8ej653gll16jepekie8flfdgrlbb@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:6 > In Elias's presentation the following slide appears: >  > System				Hrs lost per year  > P/Sysplex, Himalaya		2..20 > Single Mainframe			8.7 > Proprietary (ie OVMS)		17.5  > Proprietary Unix			35   > NT and MS Cluster Server		69.9
 > (c) Gartner   F > Does Elias believe these figures? If so no wonder he thinks Himalaya > is far better than VMS.   B He probably feels they match the Compaq price list, and that it is0 in Compaq's interest to justify the NSK pricing.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 05:44:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)f+ Subject: Re: Cross Compiler to SUN/Solaris?d3 Message-ID: <JnJBmZW8Ge+B@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  T In article <3C563A35.94945E8@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> tX >> In article <3C54DAA4.A199BB38@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:O >> > So, if I understand you well, and it seems easy, my new question would be:: >> >Q >> > Solaris equivalences to the RTL routines? (and SS calls, and SMG and and...)e >> -M >> Highly unlikely, since Solaris is C-centric rather than using descriptors.iK >> Unless some third party specifically markets a VMS emulation package foraJ >> Solaris (as distinguished from VAX or Alpha emulation), they are better >> off to stick with VMS.n > M > Larry, as all of you here, my spirit - that I learned at DEC - is "Customer O > Satisfaction". The (known) problem is that the "satisfaction" in a Customer's:O > mouth is not "what is the best for him", it is "what has been decided by thata0 > kind of people who fired KO one day". You see? > R > So, if the Customer decided to move from VMS to SUN, or to Winsh*t, my job is to > help him to move.  >  > Sad, but reality.e  1 Not sad for you.  I predict many billable hours !t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:56:03 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: Cross Compiler to SUN/Solaris?e, Message-ID: <3C568DCB.601F4E17@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:T > > So, if the Customer decided to move from VMS to SUN, or to Winsh*t, my job is to > > help him to move.b > >e > > Sad, but reality.h > 3 > Not sad for you.  I predict many billable hours !   K Not necessarily. I was involved in a similar project (move from VMS to NT).sL The company had hired some "NT specialists" and my involvement was simply toK explain the VMS specific stuff they didn't understand. They rewrote the app   from scratch. Took them 2 years.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:01:43 +0100t$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> Subject: Re: DCE Programming% Message-ID: <3c569d38$1@news.post.ch>    Hi Tony,  J first of all: Ah there is somebody else, who is using the fine product DCEE on VMS. When I put the question into the group, the last time, hardlyb anybody answered.s  H To your problem I want to say the following (which might not really help you):   G 1) There is a group comp.soft-sys.dce which might better suit your caseeL 2) Please note, that DCE 3.0 ifor VMS is based on DCE1.2.2 which has another version of the0     PAC than DCE 1., which is based on DCE 1.0.3L 3) DCE 3.0 is a very untested Version. We are currently testing upgrade from DCE 1.5 to DCE 3.0K     with unsatisfying results so far. We need an upgrade, because we cannotG afford to reconfigurei     our productive Celll1 4) We would be interested how your case continuesi 5) How are you using DCE     best regards   JakobM    A "Tony Barker" <tony@dartfactordata.ltd.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitragd0 news:B87B63E7.8449%tony@dartfactordata.ltd.uk...L > I wonder if anyone can help me with my DCE problem.  I have an applicationL > happily running on ovms vax 7.1 and dce v1.4 eco 3.  I have been trying to1 > port this to an alpha ovms v7.2-1 dce 3.0 eco 1eL > The problems start when, after getting a valid and certified login context I1J > call this routine sec_login_inquire_net_info.  On the vax it returns theL > cell name, principal and group names and uuids, but on the alpha the groupF > name is null but the num_groups field shows the correct value.  I've checkedeI > the returned uuid for the group using other sec_rgy calls and that does I > return the expected group name.  So what happened to the group name andp does6 > it make any difference if I've got the correct uuid? >d > Thanks in advancea >a > Tony >S   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:51:38 -0500y% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> + Subject: Re: DCOM Programming Under OpenVMS / Message-ID: <u5dh8kj9nlsq66@news.supernews.com>b  5 "Craig Dedo" <Craig.Dedo@abbott.com> wrote in messagef7 news:83afd6f7.0201281328.2de4b174@posting.google.com...tE > I am working on a project that will require the development of DCOM A > server objects under OpenVMS.  The client objects will be under G > Windows NT.  The client DCOM server object will need to wrap a singleoC > function in an interface that will be called from the client DCOM3	 > object.6 >F. >     I have already been doing some homework.A > * I have already read the OpenVMS Connectivity Developer Guide.e8 > * I already searched the Compaq OpenVMS DCOM Web site.A > * I am reading Inside COM by Dale Rogerson.  I am about halfwaya > through this right now.k; > * I am also reading DCOM Explained by Rosemary Rock-Evans E > * I also have acquired two other books, both by Don Box:  EssentialoB > COM and Effective COM: 50 Ways to Improve Your COM and MTS-Based > Applications >-C >     I would like to benefit from the experience of anyone who hasnC > already developed DCOM server objects under OpenVMS.  Please helpuD > answer the following questions.  I also would appreciate any other2 > relevant advice that people would like to offer. >iD > 1.  What, if any, simplified step-by-step procedures are there forF > wrapping existing functions in a DCOM server object?  Where are such > procedures documented? >l  K You might want to take a look at Bridgeworks.  I've never used it, but it'sfB supposed to create COM objects that wrap your existing code.  See:  K http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/bridgeworks/bridgeworks_index.html     B > 2.  From what I have read so far, DCOM programming appears to beH > hideously complex and done at an extremely low level, much like most CE > language programming.  Are there any higher-level interfaces to thedB > DCOM procedures?  E.g., something like the LIB$ Run Time Library? > procedures as opposed to the SYS$ System Services procedures?e >s  H COM isn't not as bad as it seems.  There's a lot of "overhead" stuff youH have to do to make sure you're following the rules but it becomes secondL nature after a while.  ATL helps to simplify COM and I believe it's includedK in COM for VMS.  I cetianly wouldn't want to write COM code without the ATLt
 templates.  G > 3.  Must the developer do the programming in C++?  Or, is it possible > > to create DCOM server objects in OpenVMS using other OpenVMS% > programming languages?  If so, how?s >e  J In theoury you can use any language.  In reality you have to use C++.  COML requires a vtable and C++ is the only VMS language capable of producing one.K Of course, your C++ code can call routines in any langage that supports the  VMS calling standard.e  F > 4.  Are there any good examples of how to create DCOM server objects > under OpenVMS?  If so, where?t > B > 5.  What are the best resources for learning how to use MIDL for! > creating interface definitions?  >tG > 6.  Other than the books I listed, what other highly useful resourcesw > should I consult?t >   > "ATL Internals" by Brent Rector & Chris Sells (Addison-Wesley)  H > 7.  I tried searching Usenet about DCOM and did not come up with much.B >  What, if any, Usenet newsgroups are there that are suitable for > dicussion about DCOM?e >e  6 Use the news.microsoft.com news server and the groups:   microsoft.public.vc.atlu% microsoft.public.win32.programmer.olei  C >     Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.  Speaking fors) > myself and not for Abbott Laboratories.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:28:43 -0000t- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) + Subject: Re: DCOM Programming Under OpenVMS 7 Message-ID: <91A572998warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>i  I Craig.Dedo@abbott.com (Craig Dedo) wrote in <83afd6f7.0201281328.2de4b174d @posting.google.com>:   D >I am working on a project that will require the development of DCOM@ >server objects under OpenVMS.  The client objects will be under  
 -- snip --  C BridgeWorks is a Compaq product that allow you to wrapper existing iL functions on OpenVMS and present them on the network as DCOM objects.  I've K heard it works quite well, although my experience differed due to a TCP/IP n version issue.   ws   -- e   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)& The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:53:44 -0500i5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>lY Subject: Re: DECW$SERVER_0 dies periodically; X11 colour wheel program blackouts the scres1 Message-ID: <4oB58.136$am1.3800@news.cpqcorp.net>F  " Looks like two unrelated problems.  2 What is in DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG when it "dies"?  K I'll ask the developer to run the colorwheel on a P300 and try to reproduce" the colormap problem.r   _Frede  ? Brass Christof wrote in message <3C56BFEC.E6C29F39@spam.net>...>	 >Hi folks  >F? >After investigating my problems, searching in FAQ, comp.os.vmsA5 >and ask the wizard archives I have to resort to you!a > ? >I expect the 2.5 problems to be related, i.e. to have the sames> >source which could be a configuration mistake on my side or a0 >problem with the DECwindowx X11 display server. > & >The two and a half problems in short: >TA >1.The display server dies periodically every three or four days.F< >Normally it dies while I do something but it died also once: >when I wasn't there. VMS continues running also I have to: >reboot because restarting the window server doesn't work. >p; >2.The example program from section 5.4.2 (Allocating Colora >Cells)RA >http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/5642/5642pro_006.htmlc= >blackouts the screen after pressing MB1 to try to rotate thee? >colour wheel if executed on a TrueColor default visual screen.l> >The screen is black and remains black afterwards although the= >display server continues running. I didn't find any means to > >get anything displayed after that happens therefore I have to< >reboot. Pressing MB2 to stop the program always works, i.e.6 >before trying to press MB2. The program also works if= >executed on a screen with a PseudoColor default visual or on ; >an older machine with a different graphics board, an olderr8 >VMS version and an older DECwindows X11 display server.< >Also, resizing the colour wheel to a bigger window leads to5 >a somewhat distorted image. Some background stripes,M: >horizontally and vertically, adjacent to the former right: >and bottom borders cut the wheel into pieces. The program> >works perfectly wrt that phenomenon on the older environment. >*1 >Some data for the machine that shows the problem 1 >------------------------------------------------r >o+ >This is a machine with a hobbyist license.G >i# >- DS20E, single cpu 500 MHz, 512MBo? >- Two PowerStorm 300, devices GBB0 (head 1) and GBA0 (head 2).p >w< >The default visual for head 2 is changed to PseudoColor and> >pixel depth 8. Head 2 is still TrueColor with pixel depth 24. >  >$ product show history *. >6: >PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION< >----------------------------------- ----------- -----------8 >DEC AXPVMS VMS721_UPDATE V3.0       Patch       Install8 >DEC AXPVMS VMS721_PCSI V1.0         Patch       Install8 >DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.2-1        Full LP     Install8 >DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Install8 >DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    Install8 >DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-10            Full LP     Install8 >DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Install >o >$ type decw$server_0_error.logr >e6 >This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS4 >AXP V7.1-001212 compiled on Dec 12 2000 at 16:34:31 >... >r > > >Some data from the machine that works okay wrt "colour wheel"> >------------------------------------------------------------- >l: >This is a machine with a commercial license but also only8 >used for private purposes. At the time when I baught it* >the hobbyist programme didnd't exist yet. >e >- DEC 3000 300LXw; >- on board graphics supports only PseudoColor with depth 8, >m >VMS 6.2 >  >$ type decw$server_0_error.logr >i6 >This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS4 >AXP T6.2-950505 compiled on May  5 1995 at 04:29:36 >n> >------------------------------------------------------------- >i? >I understand that DECwindows X11 display server on the problemn< >machine has been compiled for VMS 7.1 but is now running on- >7.2-1. But this is the factory installation.h >=? >I really appreciate any hints or directions how to investigate 9 >the problem any further. Please let me know whether somes; >necessary information is missing I'm eager to supply that.V8 >If the topic is not appropriate for the NG or for other7 >reasons please email me directly (brass@infoplus.com).f >r >TIA > 	 >Christof  >  >--r7 >moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequencea   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:29:48 +0100v' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.net>aY Subject: DECW$SERVER_0 dies periodically; X11 colour wheel program blackouts the screen ff( Message-ID: <3C56BFEC.E6C29F39@spam.net>   Hi folks  ? After investigating my problems, searching in FAQ, comp.os.vms t4 and ask the wizard archives I have to resort to you!  ? I expect the 2.5 problems to be related, i.e. to have the same u> source which could be a configuration mistake on my side or a / problem with the DECwindowx X11 display server.i  % The two and a half problems in short:   @ 1.The display server dies periodically every three or four days.< Normally it dies while I do something but it died also once : when I wasn't there. VMS continues running also I have to 9 reboot because restarting the window server doesn't work.   : 2.The example program from section 5.4.2 (Allocating Color Cells)  A http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/5642/5642pro_006.html r= blackouts the screen after pressing MB1 to try to rotate the  ? colour wheel if executed on a TrueColor default visual screen. t> The screen is black and remains black afterwards although the = display server continues running. I didn't find any means to i> get anything displayed after that happens therefore I have to < reboot. Pressing MB2 to stop the program always works, i.e. 6 before trying to press MB2. The program also works if = executed on a screen with a PseudoColor default visual or on h; an older machine with a different graphics board, an older b7 VMS version and an older DECwindows X11 display server.o< Also, resizing the colour wheel to a bigger window leads to 5 a somewhat distorted image. Some background stripes, s: horizontally and vertically, adjacent to the former right : and bottom borders cut the wheel into pieces. The program = works perfectly wrt that phenomenon on the older environment.e  0 Some data for the machine that shows the problem0 ------------------------------------------------  * This is a machine with a hobbyist license.  " - DS20E, single cpu 500 MHz, 512MB? - Two PowerStorm 300, devices GBB0 (head 1) and GBA0 (head 2). x  < The default visual for head 2 is changed to PseudoColor and = pixel depth 8. Head 2 is still TrueColor with pixel depth 24.c   $ product show history *  9 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATIONo; ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------7 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_UPDATE V3.0       Patch       Install-7 DEC AXPVMS VMS721_PCSI V1.0         Patch       Installj7 DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI V7.2-1        Full LP     Installq7 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Install 7 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    InstallA7 DEC AXPVMS TCPIP V5.0-10            Full LP     Installe7 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Install    $ type decw$server_0_error.log  6 This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS 3 AXP V7.1-001212 compiled on Dec 12 2000 at 16:34:31s ...e    = Some data from the machine that works okay wrt "colour wheel"f= -------------------------------------------------------------   : This is a machine with a commercial license but also only 8 used for private purposes. At the time when I baught it ) the hobbyist programme didnd't exist yet.J   - DEC 3000 300LX: - on board graphics supports only PseudoColor with depth 8   VMS 6.2C   $ type decw$server_0_error.log  6 This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS 3 AXP T6.2-950505 compiled on May  5 1995 at 04:29:36r  = -------------------------------------------------------------l  ? I understand that DECwindows X11 display server on the problem >< machine has been compiled for VMS 7.1 but is now running on , 7.2-1. But this is the factory installation.  ? I really appreciate any hints or directions how to investigate .9 the problem any further. Please let me know whether some r; necessary information is missing I'm eager to supply that. e8 If the topic is not appropriate for the NG or for other 7 reasons please email me directly (brass@infoplus.com).     TIA    Christof   -- h6 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please revert the sequence   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:07:55 -0500 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca>% Subject: Disaster recovery - success!s3 Message-ID: <MOz58.2406$EI.13217@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>o  J Just a note to say that we did the 1st test for our disaster recovery planD last week end, and it was a success thanks to good old VMS (and me)!  K This is a cluster (VAX 6000 and Alpha ES40). We were provided with 10 disks-' connected to a CI at the recovery site. K We restored both system disks + the other software and data from our tapes,:I then booted the machines in MINimum config. We then changed a few logicalcF names (i.e. changed all the disk logicals to point to the new physicalL disks, with many of our original disks being now on the same physical disk).H Also updated the configuration (a few lines of code) in DECnet, MultinetK (Alpha) and UCX (VAX) and PathWorks (Alpha). Then wee booted up and all wasN fine (pretty much). I We are running different software (Oracle, Progress, PowerHouse, and manyM% 3rd party and in-house applications)..  L All went very smooth, but due to the hardware config over there, the disk IOJ was terribly bad and it took us 3 times as long to restore than it took to create the backup tapes.  K Everything worked in the LAN (client/server config), we did not recover the G WAN in this test. No problems with any licenses save for some 3rd partyVK applications. We were provided temp licenses for those once the machine wasn up and running.u   Only things:K - I was excluding the files with extension .SRT in my backups and found outrI one application has some of them. For use those were temporary files thath contain sorted data.H - Watch out if you attempt a recovery in such a configuration: Disks areH seen by both machine, but DON'T try to edit or restore files on the sameL physical disk, from both machines at the same time, until you have a clusterG started. We did a test while not booted in cluster, editing 2 differentrC files on 2 sessions (1 on each node) and the 2 files were messed up E completely with data coming from other files. Crazy stuff. So beware!TK - After booting there were no jobs in the batch queues (???). It's possibleEH that this was caused by the people at the recovery site who did boot ourK system without asking permission. If anyone experienced this and has a cluen as to why, pls let me know!n  K Needless to say I LOVE VMS. Could never get to restore a Weendoze PC with asC simple BACKUP/IMAGE. Even the fancy BackupExec can not do it right.a   --   SyltremeI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)l> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:26:50 -0500 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>t) Subject: Re: Disaster recovery - success!t, Message-ID: <3C56CD2F.92770A0D@videotron.ca>   Syltrem wrote:M > - After booting there were no jobs in the batch queues (???). It's possible J > that this was caused by the people at the recovery site who did boot ourM > system without asking permission. If anyone experienced this and has a clueD > as to why, pls let me know!   I On yor main production site, you need to look at the QMAN$MASTER logical.a  G If you have heterogenous cluster (multiple system disks) you have to begH careful about the order they are booted since you would want the one whoM actually has the main queue manager database to boot first and then the other L ones defining the QMAN$MASTER before doing the START/QUEUE so that they know/ where the real queue manager files are located.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 11:57:28 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n) Subject: Re: Disaster recovery - success!e3 Message-ID: <aophPaVne+Nm@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  f In article <MOz58.2406$EI.13217@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> writes:L > Just a note to say that we did the 1st test for our disaster recovery planF > last week end, and it was a success thanks to good old VMS (and me)!   Congratulations.  M > Needless to say I LOVE VMS. Could never get to restore a Weendoze PC with afE > simple BACKUP/IMAGE. Even the fancy BackupExec can not do it right..  3 But I ask, which one provides better job security ?s  B By V8.0, VMS may be able to handle the whole thing without you :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:59:26 -0600t+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>D) Subject: RE: Disaster recovery - success!dL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170E208@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----< > From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]  5 > But I ask, which one provides better job security ?g  D > By V8.0, VMS may be able to handle the whole thing without you :-)  6 ..but nobody knows that and VMS _looks_ complicated ;)   Regards,   Chrish    ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperA Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");y '   c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:05:18 GMT'4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>) Subject: Re: Disaster recovery - success!f0 Message-ID: <3C56E364.91A802F3@blueyonder.co.uk>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > h > In article <MOz58.2406$EI.13217@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca> writes:N > > Just a note to say that we did the 1st test for our disaster recovery planH > > last week end, and it was a success thanks to good old VMS (and me)! >  > Congratulations. > O > > Needless to say I LOVE VMS. Could never get to restore a Weendoze PC with ahG > > simple BACKUP/IMAGE. Even the fancy BackupExec can not do it right.c > 5 > But I ask, which one provides better job security ?  > D > By V8.0, VMS may be able to handle the whole thing without you :-)  S This is definitely a "problem" with VMS and how it relates to current IT thinking. fQ You need expertise available for the rare occasions you need it, but most of the rN time it just works, and unless you are a really big shop you have to find some  other way to occupy the experts.  Q Of course, VMS was always the system you could use and get on with the day job atW@ the same time, in the days before divide and conquer management.   -- i Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of e! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:07:17 GMT24 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>) Subject: Re: Disaster recovery - success!f0 Message-ID: <3C56E3E5.85BEC6B9@blueyonder.co.uk>   Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] > 7 > > But I ask, which one provides better job security ?e > F > > By V8.0, VMS may be able to handle the whole thing without you :-) > 8 > ..but nobody knows that and VMS _looks_ complicated ;)   F actually, VMS is quite complicated, the stabilty issue is more relatedC to the fact that VMS provides an environment where behaviour (be itdA correct (app keeps running) or incorrect (bugs)) is reproducible.u     -- n Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  n  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of e! my employers or service provider.n   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:09:00 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a) Subject: Re: Disaster recovery - success!-; Message-ID: <01KDNK6PW0T08ZJH7N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>4  5 > But I ask, which one provides better job security ?c  H In THE UNIX HATER'S HANDBOOK, there's the quip "when your unix sysadmin / mentions security, he's talking about his job".1   :-)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:08:13 -0500E> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>) Subject: RE: Disaster recovery - success!dM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016026FE@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>B   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Syltrem [mailto:syltrem@videotron.spammenot.ca]n* > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:08 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma' > Subject: Disaster recovery - success!l >   	 Congrats!e   > ? > Just a note to say that we did the 1st test for our disaster r > recovery plan F > last week end, and it was a success thanks to good old VMS (and me)! .r <snip>  T< > All went very smooth, but due to the hardware config over  > there, the disk IO= > was terribly bad and it took us 3 times as long to restore   > than it took ton > create the backup tapes.  ; If you were using RAID at the disaster recovery site (like aD RAID-1/mirroring or RAID-5), then you should expect some degradationC in restores versus backups. (ie: Writing out to two physical disks s# and/or writing out the parity bit.)   C If your restores were considered really bad, then perhaps next time E you can test doing a backup of the disaster recovered system, so you eE know if you can safeguard your business while in a disaster recoveredaG situation.  I would posit that if you can not also backup the recoverednF system within your normal backup window, that you do not have adequateH hardware/configuration at the disaster recovery site, and you will need ? to contract or otherwise make sure you have such in the future.o  E I usually like to be able to restore in my normal backup window, that F way I know I have adequate resource on hand, and the business might beJ up and running with less financial loss.  Besides, your time will be eatenK up by all sorts of unplanned and uncontrolable things in disaster recovery.TG Things like having other OS system admins asking if you could get them .F something to eat and drink, since your system is restored and running. <grin!>-   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. -"   A Member of the LexisNexis Group
 1275 Broadway5 Albany, NY  12204T USAw 518-487-3255 John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com   ) I post personal opinion only, and all the2* disclaimers one could imagine apply.  That( includes, I speak for myself only and my) views in no way represent my employer(s).6+ One should also take note of the ElectronicP) Communications Privacy Act of 1986, which-+ imposes civil and criminal liability on any ( person who intentionally intercepts "any( wire, oral or electronic communication."  h   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 04:56:39 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)l Subject: E'nuf said...= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0201290456.281124fd@posting.google.com>    [patrick@tacoma ~]$ ./el done, yer root :p~  Greetings from the [ODM] team =) http://www.evil-mind.net.$  ' btw, yew should use a unset HISTFILE =)s sh-2.04#   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:57:50 +0000 (UTC) 9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>r& Subject: Re: emacs21 help needed still- Message-ID: <a35v7e$6rl$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>-  ' Roar Throns <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote:l) : Roar Throns <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote:u  7 : : "Distribution" is at ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/emacsm  * New one at emacs211_3.bck.gz. (Almost 40M)   Getting closer...s  	 Slowly...P  7 : (Start it with mcr []temacs_d -l loadup --debug-init)r  - : : Then the following happens in sys$cantim: < : : SYSTEM-F-ASTFLT, AST fault, SP=00000000, param=00000000,M : : PC=0000000000000000, PS=00000000, target PC=FFFFFFFF80A50B44, PS=0000001B-  J : Worked my way around it with a condition handler, so it will not usually : show up under ordinary use.V   Those errors are still there.2& I have no idea about what causes them.  H : The keyboard routines still have problems (in 20.7 too) and need to be : rewritten.  K Had to go back to the 19_28 keyboard input routines. (With Levitte credits)'E (The 20_7 ones uses CMU ptys for some things, and I do not have them)r  " There are still keyboard problems.J If typing does not work (especially ESC) do a stop and go on the debugger.  % : This is far too big for just one...q  $ Maybe two? (Rupp, how is it going?).   Still, even for two...    Regards, Roar Throns   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 03:51:54 -0800. From: PeterMoreton@hotmail.com (Peter Moreton)4 Subject: Re: Export Monitor Data to CSV file, Excel?= Message-ID: <c1243f29.0201290351.76e8e04a@posting.google.com>.  h koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<fB+g17v3YyRs@eisner.encompasserve.org>...p > In article <c1243f29.0201280343.546f17e8@posting.google.com>, PeterMoreton@hotmail.com (Peter Moreton) writes: > > Hi,p > > G > > I am looking for a way to get OpenVMS 6.2 Monitor data into a CommadF > > Seperated file, for import into Excel. There have been a couple ofI > > posts about this in the past, and a Compaq utility called "T4" soundsgG > > promising - except that I cannot find it anywhere! Does anyone knowk/ > > where T4 or a similar utility can be found?l > J >    The file formats are fully documented in the System Manager's Utility; >    Refererence Manual.  Appendix H in the version I have.t  C Reading the RMS file, and dumping to ASCII may be easy to do, usingsB the documentation you mentioned, but it just feels like I might be% about to re-invent a wheel here......   
 Peter Moreton  Principle Technology Ltd   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:15:51 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)4 Subject: Re: Export Monitor Data to CSV file, Excel?1 Message-ID: <bgx58.124$am1.3614@news.cpqcorp.net>t  & The Monitor file format is documented.  < I wrote a program a few years ago called MONITOR-TO-CSV.MAR,7 which translates some of the data fields to CSV format. 6 It's intended primarily as a sample program, though it5 does work.  I'm reasonably certain it went out on one 8 of the Freeware and / or DECUS collections.  If it's not6 on the Compaq Freeware web site already, I'll see if I can get another copy out there.a   -- h(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ai5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:33:29 -0000s- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)I' Subject: Re: fopen crashes while in AST-7 Message-ID: <91A585922warrenspencer1977@209.249.90.100>2  ( jfmezei@videotron.ca (JF Mezei) wrote in" <3C51A272.F3B20140@videotron.ca>:   > >Program uses $QIO to connect to http server on the internet.  >n< >every 10 minutes, a timed AST is fired and it creates a new9 >configuration file as a way to checkpoint its progress. A >E
 >The problem:V >-@ >The AST works fine the first time it is called (after about 500H >transactions) but upon its second invocation, it will generally fail atC >the fopen() statement. The filename has been verified to be valid.dC >HOWEVER, there are some image activations where it won't fail (onea? >completed succesfully, and some other failed after more than 2- >invocations). - >-C >The AST does a complete "loop" (i.e one fopen, a few fprintf, then 5 >fclose). This file is not used nor opened elsewhere.i >  > @ >The core of the program was used succesfully last week to buildE >sequential files and the AST ran without problems for a combined runyB >time of about 334 hours. and close to 300,000 transactions (I ran' >multiple processes at the same time). d > C >However, this weekend, I need to run through all those records and-D >update them with some additional information, also fetched from theF >internet. So I added some RMS calls ($OPEN, $DISPLAY, $CONNECT, $GET,C >$UPDATE, $FREE) that fetch a record from the indexed file, use thepI >existing code to get the infor from the net (different URL) and then useeH >$UPDATE to write it back to the file with the formerly empty fields now	 >filled. u >yG >This works fine. Except for the AST that causes image to crash after an0 >while. (about 1000 transactions or 20 minutes). >  > I >I have tested that the character string that holds the filename suppliedeC >to the fopen statement is correct. And fopen does not create a new 1 >version of the file (so it doesn't get fer far).t >>A >What additional steps could I do to  find out what is going on ?I >2G >If I run it with debugger, once it crashes, how can I find out what it G >wrong since the routine will be inside the RTL and I won't have source  >code to detect what is wrong ?   K There are better experts in this ng than me, but it seems to me that doing  K I/O in an AST handler is a bad idea, and I've heard rumor this can lead to t" the dreaded RWAST process state.    K Somewhere in the OpenVMS docs it recommends doing the least amount of work iJ possible inside an AST handler routine.  I also seem to remember that not 3 all of the C runtime library is AST-reentrant safe.i  D Move the "work" part of the code into the normal processing thread, J restrict your AST activities to setting event flags or calling $WAKE, and + I'm sure you program will run like a champ.r   ws   -- e   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)a The Associated Press  @ ** When Windows is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb **   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:57:53 -0500r% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>u' Subject: Re: fopen crashes while in AST(, Message-ID: <3C56F08A.1315EC2F@videotron.ca>   Warren Spencer wrote:oL > There are better experts in this ng than me, but it seems to me that doingL > I/O in an AST handler is a bad idea, and I've heard rumor this can lead to" > the dreaded RWAST process state.  J No, it wasn't RWAST, it was simply crashing on the fopen (and only on thatL statement, but not everytime). In any event, I ran it during the weekend andJ restarted the instances whenever they failed and reduced the checkpoint toS every half hour instead of 10 minutes and managed to get the work done on that one.h  J However, I would like to know more since I have used C IO in AST mode many times without problems.r  J In the case of last weekend, the main program used *no* C file IO. It onlyI used RMS $GET and $UPDATE to file and $QIO to internet. And the fopen wasSJ always triggered in AST while the main program was in a $QIOW (waiting forB internet data, which is where the program spent most of its time).  E > Move the "work" part of the code into the normal processing thread,eK > restrict your AST activities to setting event flags or calling $WAKE, andE- > I'm sure you program will run like a champ.w  M Nop. At the end of the program, the routine that updates the config is called-I in non AST mode and it also crashed there once. There was something I waseH doing in the program that corrupted "fopen" after a few calls to it. (it* wouldn't fail on the first call to fopen).   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2002 10:07:06 GMT- From: forkosh@panix1.panix.com (John Forkosh)s1 Subject: Re: How to get/put the symbol list in C? ) Message-ID: <a35s8a$eqi$2@news.panix.com>e  " Ernest (wmozart5@yahoo.com) wrote:H : Is the only way to get the list of *all* defined symbols (the closest L : thing DCL has to environment variables, AFAIK) to run an external program I : ("SHOW SYMBOL *") and parse the output?  I'm using Compaq C/C++ 6.4 on sM : Alpha VMS 7.2.  I noticed the "environ" global exists, but just contains a cH : few contrived variables that aren't really symbols or logicals at all. :aI : Assuming I can get the full list captured into a C data structure, and aJ : add/modify/delete entries as I need, how do I then output these symbols  : for use by a child process?s  D You can run just about any external program from C with the system()= command.  I can't recall whether show has an /out= qualifier.0F If not, you could use lib$spawn().  Then you could redirect the outputC to a file and parse that file.  Not very elegant, but I assume thisoD is some kind of initialization-time task, since I can't imagine someD tight computational loop needing to contain a show symbol * command.F And for initialization, the inelegance/inefficiency won't matter much.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:19:36 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGl1 Subject: Re: How to get/put the symbol list in C?p0 Message-ID: <00A08C36.EAA50EFF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  F In article <slrna5chsu.non.danco@pebble.org>, danco@pebble.org writes:C >In article <3C562783.7000906@qsl.network>, John E. Malmberg wrote:  >-L >> Looking up a wild card list of all defined symbols is not a trivial task  >> from a user program.m >sJ >Is it even possible without looking at undocumented/unsupported locationsH >within the DCL CLI in P1 space (or wherever it may be mapped on Alpha)? >g >- Dan  B The DCL symbol table is located in P1 space on both VAX and Alpha.  @ I believe the specifics of accessing the DCL symbol table can be derived from the code here:e  6 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/symbol.zip --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             pJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:31:28 GMT.! From: Ernest <wmozart5@yahoo.com>e1 Subject: Re: How to get/put the symbol list in C?yA Message-ID: <Q%A58.96580$vH6.5480592@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>6  0 forkosh@panix1.panix.com (John Forkosh) wrote in" news:a35s8a$eqi$2@news.panix.com:   I >: Assuming I can get the full list captured into a C data structure, and B >: add/modify/delete entries as I need, how do I then output these' >: symbols for use by a child process? s > F > You can run just about any external program from C with the system()? > command.  I can't recall whether show has an /out= qualifier.cH > If not, you could use lib$spawn().  Then you could redirect the outputE > to a file and parse that file.  Not very elegant, but I assume this F > is some kind of initialization-time task, since I can't imagine some  J That's correct.  So I think I can handle getting the symbols, that's half G the battle.  But how to output the changed values for use by the child hK process?  setenv() is obviously just for the 4 pseudo-environment vars, as y is the envp arg to execve().   Thanks,h Ernest   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:41:18 GMT.' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> ( Subject: Re: HP 35470 DAT drive question$ Message-ID: <3c56a646$1@zfree.co.nz>  . koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:N >In article <G8Z48.1521$A3.7684@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:bH >> HP documentation explains that the 35470 drive may be made to work on  "DECE >> 310097 >> and DEC 5000 workstations, running Ultrix and VMS". - >O >iE >   HP is confused.  DECstation 3100 and DECstation 5000 contian MIPSmB >   chips, and can't possible run VMS.  A DECstation 3100 is not a >   VAXstation 3100. >mH >   Is 35470 a 4mm drive?  If so it may be the one DEC rebadged and soldH >   for both Ultirx and VMS systems.  If that doesn't work it may simply >   be a broken drive. >          http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:41:19 GMTr' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>b( Subject: Re: HP 35470 DAT drive question" Message-ID: <3c56a648@zfree.co.nz>  . koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:N >In article <G8Z48.1521$A3.7684@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:1H >> HP documentation explains that the 35470 drive may be made to work on  "DEC  >> 3100R7 >> and DEC 5000 workstations, running Ultrix and VMS". T >J >@E >   HP is confused.  DECstation 3100 and DECstation 5000 contian MIPSjB >   chips, and can't possible run VMS.  A DECstation 3100 is not a >   VAXstation 3100. >eH >   Is 35470 a 4mm drive?  If so it may be the one DEC rebadged and soldH >   for both Ultirx and VMS systems.  If that doesn't work it may simply >   be a broken drive. >          http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:41:20 GMTB' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> ( Subject: Re: HP 35470 DAT drive question" Message-ID: <3c56a650@zfree.co.nz>  . koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:N >In article <G8Z48.1521$A3.7684@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:eH >> HP documentation explains that the 35470 drive may be made to work on  "DECe >> 3100 7 >> and DEC 5000 workstations, running Ultrix and VMS". V >( > E >   HP is confused.  DECstation 3100 and DECstation 5000 contian MIPSoB >   chips, and can't possible run VMS.  A DECstation 3100 is not a >   VAXstation 3100. >eH >   Is 35470 a 4mm drive?  If so it may be the one DEC rebadged and soldH >   for both Ultirx and VMS systems.  If that doesn't work it may simply >   be a broken drive. >          http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:41:22 GMTr' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>d( Subject: Re: HP 35470 DAT drive question" Message-ID: <3c56a6b6@zfree.co.nz>  . koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:N >In article <G8Z48.1521$A3.7684@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:iH >> HP documentation explains that the 35470 drive may be made to work on  "DEC, >> 3100 7 >> and DEC 5000 workstations, running Ultrix and VMS". t >r >vE >   HP is confused.  DECstation 3100 and DECstation 5000 contian MIPSvB >   chips, and can't possible run VMS.  A DECstation 3100 is not a >   VAXstation 3100. >aH >   Is 35470 a 4mm drive?  If so it may be the one DEC rebadged and soldH >   for both Ultirx and VMS systems.  If that doesn't work it may simply >   be a broken drive. >   O HP is confused, that is true. The 35470 is a 4 mm drive and it is an HP brandedy" product, not a rebadged DEC model.@ I guess the unit is broken or that the firmware needs an update.     http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:41:23 GMTx' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>0( Subject: Re: HP 35470 DAT drive question" Message-ID: <3c56a7d3@zfree.co.nz>  4 gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:O >In article <3c555c70$1@zfree.co.nz>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> writes:eC >>The SCSI bus (the SCSI-B bus to be exact) is properly terminated.tJ >>There is an RZ24L and a CD-ROM drive on the same bus and both work fine. >>The HP drive has 5 jumpers:t >>3 for SCSI address >>1 for pwr term (not jumpered)  > H >Does this mean that the drive will supply termination power to the bus?N >Then it should not be sat. The same is true if it means to enable termination >on the bus.   termination power is disabled    >tG >>The fifth, not in use either (I'm not at home and forgot what it was)) >>* >>There are 8 dip switches on the bottom. # >>1,2: HP advises not to touch them  >>3 : Media recognition system >a >I would set this one.   Right, that's what it is >=	 >>4,5 : ?? >>6 : performance option >>7 : ? (parity ?) >e) >If it is parity, I would set it as well.7   Parity is also enabledH >>8 : DEC position, effectively switches to SCSI-1 handling of the space command. >>$ >>I've tried the following settings: >>all switches "ON", except:
 >> - 8 OFF >> - 3 and 8 OFF >> - 3, 6 and 8 OFF  >> - 6 and 8 OFF >> - 3, 5, 6, and 8 OFFh
 >> - 3 OFF >>H >>The last test showed a different result: the LEDs turned amber instead of >>green. >TA >As far as I remember with my drive green was the desired colour.0 >PF >>Every dip switch change was done with the power off on the drive and >>a reboot of VMS. >iH >To be on the safe side you should even power switch the system or issue) >an "init" command at the console prompt.a >t  K The init command was used since I dislike power cycling (old) equipment too  frquently. e  	 >Regards,. >   Christoph Gartmann >9I >-- --------------------------------------------------------------------+MI >| Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |dI >| Immunbiologie                                                        |eI >| Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |oI >| D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |-I >+--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+e       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:41:24 GMT ' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>g( Subject: Re: HP 35470 DAT drive question" Message-ID: <3c56a897@zfree.co.nz>   Chris,  D thanks a lot. Your particular suggestion for the dip switch settings was not tried yet.   I'll let you know the results.   Hans  0 chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) wrote:4 >"Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message M >> >>When the INIT command is issued the right LED flashes approx. four timesu >>  ai >> >>second.K >> >>I run VAX/VMS 7.2, no patches on a VAXstation 3100/GPX, hardware modelf >>  type >> >>59. >> >>e4 >> >>So is this a Unix only device, or is it broken? >> >D >> The SCSI bus (the SCSI-B bus to be exact) is properly terminated.K >> There is an RZ24L and a CD-ROM drive on the same bus and both work fine.n >> The HP drive has 5 jumpers: >> 3 for SCSI address   >> 1 for pwr term (not jumpered)H >> The fifth, not in use either (I'm not at home and forgot what it was) >>  + >> There are 8 dip switches on the bottom.  $ >> 1,2: HP advises not to touch them >> 3 : Media recognition system 
 >> 4,5 : ? >> 6 : performance optionJ >> 7 : ? (parity ?).I >> 8 : DEC position, effectively switches to SCSI-1 handling of the spaceD command. >> 1% >> I've tried the following settings:  >> all switches "ON", except:  >>  - 8 OFFa >>  - 3 and 8 OFFa >>  - 3, 6 and 8 OFF >>  - 6 and 8 OFFs >>  - 3, 5, 6, and 8 OFF >>  - 3 OFF  >> sI >> The last test showed a different result: the LEDs turned amber insteadb of	 >> green.eG >> Every dip switch change was done with the power off on the drive and  >> a reboot of VMS.e >b >t- >The HP35470A WILL work on a VAXstation 3100.o >tD >The firmware 11.09 is OK.  I think 12.09 is also available.  (There4 >were some problems back around the 9.09 timeframe.) >mF >My 35480A (a 35470A with a compression chip) has its switches set to: >s >Off: 1, 3, 6, 7, 8- >On: 2, 4, 5 >uA >1 and 2 affect compression and aren't really used on the 35470A.  >-E >(If I remember correctly, the setting I have for 1 & 2 says to writerF >uncompressed tapes, but read both compressed and uncompressed tapes.) >iB >If MRS is enabled and you use a tape that is not MRS labeled, the# >drive will write protect the tape.r > A >A flashing LED could indicate dirty heads.  Try a cleaning tape.n > 5 >If it still doesn't work, the drive is probably bad., >t >Good luck!i       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:41:21 GMTV' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>i( Subject: Re: HP 35470 DAT drive question" Message-ID: <3c56a651@zfree.co.nz>  . koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:N >In article <G8Z48.1521$A3.7684@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:wH >> HP documentation explains that the 35470 drive may be made to work on  "DECe >> 3100 7 >> and DEC 5000 workstations, running Ultrix and VMS". e >e >pE >   HP is confused.  DECstation 3100 and DECstation 5000 contian MIPSsB >   chips, and can't possible run VMS.  A DECstation 3100 is not a >   VAXstation 3100. >aH >   Is 35470 a 4mm drive?  If so it may be the one DEC rebadged and soldH >   for both Ultirx and VMS systems.  If that doesn't work it may simply >   be a broken drive. >          http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:11:12 -0400o+ From: "Brant Hanna" <brant.hanna@nordx.com>  Subject: installing cobolE? Message-ID: <0201291012.AA1012320912@ccmail.kingston.nordx.com>d  L Anyone with experience installing vax cobol (2.4) on an Alpha DS-10 (7.2-1)? Are these versions compatible?I Cobol install seems to install ok, but cobol command doesn't work (hangs)l RTL installation fails with:P %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening VMI$ROOT:[SYSEXE]VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundC %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of COBOLRTL V2.4 has failed.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:19:00 -0500e- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>  Subject: Re: installing cobole+ Message-ID: <sc568533.081@AAASMTA.aaas.org>I  F I was able to install COBOL 2.5 on a DS10 running 7.2-1. It seems to =H compile everything fine. I did get a new layered product kit but I was =I told COBOL had been removed. I also looked for service packs/ecos and I =n didn't find any.  D >>> "Brant Hanna" <brant.hanna@nordx.com> 01/29/2002 10:11:12 AM >>>E Anyone with experience installing vax cobol (2.4) on an Alpha DS-10 =o (7.2-1)? Are these versions compatible?I Cobol install seems to install ok, but cobol command doesn't work (hangs)I RTL installation fails with:L %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening VMI$ROOT:[SYSEXE]VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM; as = inputh -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundC %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of COBOLRTL V2.4 has failed.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:19:44 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com Subject: Re: installing cobol : Message-ID: <OF292FA601.3B97707E-ON00256B50.0059A1D5@btyp>  I I would suggest that you load an ALPHA Cobol onto your system, unless you2 have made a typo.    Cheers   Steve Si        ? "Brant Hanna" <brant.hanna@nordx.com> on 01/29/2002 03:11:12 PMg    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: G From:      "Brant Hanna" <brant.hanna@nordx.com>, 29 January 2002, 3:11t            p.m.h   installing cobol    C Anyone with experience installing vax cobol (2.4) on an Alpha DS-10  (7.2-1)? Are these versions compatible?I Cobol install seems to install ok, but cobol command doesn't work (hangs), RTL installation fails with:J %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening VMI$ROOT:[SYSEXE]VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM; as inputa -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundC %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of COBOLRTL V2.4 has failed.o              F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. 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Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:42:39 GMTk8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond) Subject: Re: installing cobol 1 Message-ID: <z2C58.141$am1.4025@news.cpqcorp.net>t  @ In article <0201291012.AA1012320912@ccmail.kingston.nordx.com>, - "Brant Hanna" <brant.hanna@nordx.com> writes:   M >Anyone with experience installing vax cobol (2.4) on an Alpha DS-10 (7.2-1)?  >Are these versions compatible?iJ >Cobol install seems to install ok, but cobol command doesn't work (hangs) >RTL installation fails with: Q >%DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening VMI$ROOT:[SYSEXE]VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM; as inputi >-RMS-E-FNF, file not foundpD >%VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of COBOLRTL V2.4 has failed.  E The VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM was not kept up-to-date for a long time.s" It has been removed from OpenVMS. 0 You need more recent COBOL and/or COBOLRTL kits.  G If you have a copy of VMS$INSTALL_UPG_DATA.COM from an older version ofiG OpenVMS, you can copy ot to SYS$SYSTEM.  This will probably get by thisfF error, but I do not know if what you are installing is compatible with the version of OpenVMS.'   -- nK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:54:39 +0100C- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>.5 Subject: Logicals defined for all process of one usera3 Message-ID: <3C56634F.49BED578@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>@   Hi all,>  G There are logicals defined in several classes (process,job,group systemeF etc.) But how do I define a logical for all jobs of one user(UIC)? Why is there no LNM$USER_TABLE.a  ) an example of a case where you need this: A   the user has his own sharable images in his own directory so heg@ defines SYS$SHARE to poit also to this directory. If he starts a? detached job his login.com is normally not used so an aditionaloH definition for the JOB or PROCESS table cannot be given. A definition inC the USER table would help and would not influence the behaviour foru; other users as insertion in GROUP or SYSTEM table would do.                        Jouk   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:47:20 +0100 (MET)w9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-9 Subject: Re: Logicals defined for all process of one user ; Message-ID: <01KDN0FR4OKM8ZJH7N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > There are logicals defined in several classes (process,job,group systemeH > etc.) But how do I define a logical for all jobs of one user(UIC)? Why > is there no LNM$USER_TABLE.s  ( I have sometimes felt the need for this.  + > an example of a case where you need this:e > A > the user has his own sharable images in his own directory so hehC > defines SYS$SHARE to point also to this directory. If he starts amA > detached job his login.com is normally not used so an aditionaln; > definition for the JOB or PROCESS table cannot be given. n > A definition in E > the USER table would help and would not influence the behaviour fors= > other users as insertion in GROUP or SYSTEM table would do.   I This is easy enough to set up, i.e. create a table owned by the user and mF define a logical to point to it etc.  One could also play around with # the definition of LNM$FILE_DEV etc.v  B This has many practical uses.  For example, one can interactively I redefine logicals (such as SYS$PRINT if the corresponding printer breaks  , down) which are used by a running batch job.  ? Another question is why such a table is not present by default.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:05:35 -0000 = From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>a9 Subject: Re: Logicals defined for all process of one usereB Message-ID: <1012295159.23911.0.nnrp-02.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>   but there is   define/user is "defined"  ( lasts for the life of the next image run    F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KDN0FR4OKM8ZJH7N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com... K > > There are logicals defined in several classes (process,job,group systemCJ > > etc.) But how do I define a logical for all jobs of one user(UIC)? Why > > is there no LNM$USER_TABLE.  >v* > I have sometimes felt the need for this. >-- > > an example of a case where you need this:0 > >:C > > the user has his own sharable images in his own directory so he E > > defines SYS$SHARE to point also to this directory. If he starts a@C > > detached job his login.com is normally not used so an aditional8< > > definition for the JOB or PROCESS table cannot be given. > > A definition inlG > > the USER table would help and would not influence the behaviour ford? > > other users as insertion in GROUP or SYSTEM table would do.P > J > This is easy enough to set up, i.e. create a table owned by the user andG > define a logical to point to it etc.  One could also play around with.% > the definition of LNM$FILE_DEV etc.i >aC > This has many practical uses.  For example, one can interactivelymJ > redefine logicals (such as SYS$PRINT if the corresponding printer breaks. > down) which are used by a running batch job. >-A > Another question is why such a table is not present by default.v   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:18:35 +0100 (MET)59 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>r9 Subject: Re: Logicals defined for all process of one usern; Message-ID: <01KDN1E5Z7F08ZJH7N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>i   > define/user is "defined" > * > lasts for the life of the next image run  I This is DEFINE/USER_MODE.  This has to do with the MODE of the logical.  CG The problem of the original poster was concerned with the logical-name i table.  H The idea is to have logicals defined for all processes of a given user, G i.e. even outside of the job tree, but not for the whole group.  Thus, tD the wish for something between /JOB and /GROUP.  OK, one CAN define H these in LOGIN.COM, but this has two potential disadvantages: LOGIN.COM D might not always be executed, and one cannot affect the logicals in $ processes which are already running.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:01:00 -0000p= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>89 Subject: Re: Logicals defined for all process of one user B Message-ID: <1012298485.14353.0.nnrp-07.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  K Okay, but you can set up a table and place it in the search order, which ist
 not to fiddlyP  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KDN1E5Z7F08ZJH7N@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...t > > define/user is "defined" > >s, > > lasts for the life of the next image run >rI > This is DEFINE/USER_MODE.  This has to do with the MODE of the logical.kH > The problem of the original poster was concerned with the logical-name > table. >sI > The idea is to have logicals defined for all processes of a given user, H > i.e. even outside of the job tree, but not for the whole group.  Thus,E > the wish for something between /JOB and /GROUP.  OK, one CAN defineaI > these in LOGIN.COM, but this has two potential disadvantages: LOGIN.COM:E > might not always be executed, and one cannot affect the logicals int& > processes which are already running.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 05:28:06 -0500c% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>I9 Subject: Re: Logicals defined for all process of one user + Message-ID: <3C567935.A9F1984@videotron.ca>b   David McKenzie wrote:d > M > Okay, but you can set up a table and place it in the search order, which isD > not to fiddlyt  J Who sets up the table ? And when you run/detached, when does the table get. added to the search order of the new process ?  M Isn't it much simpler to define the shareable image logicals in the .COM that  invokes the image ?t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:43:32 GMTt- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 9 Subject: Re: Logicals defined for all process of one useri* Message-ID: <3C568F05.2050807@qsl.network>   Phillip Helbig wrote:   > Jouk Jansen wrote:   I >>There are logicals defined in several classes (process,job,group systemoH >>etc.) But how do I define a logical for all jobs of one user(UIC)? Why >>is there no LNM$USER_TABLE.t >> > * > I have sometimes felt the need for this. > K > This is easy enough to set up, i.e. create a table owned by the user and  H > define a logical to point to it etc.  One could also play around with % > the definition of LNM$FILE_DEV etc.a > D > This has many practical uses.  For example, one can interactively K > redefine logicals (such as SYS$PRINT if the corresponding printer breaks  . > down) which are used by a running batch job. > A > Another question is why such a table is not present by default.r    C My guess is that it goes against the grain of the idea that when a dD process exits, all of it's resources are cleaned up.  Having a USER B table, would require quotas, or privileges to prevent a user from < accidently filling up what has to be a system wide resource.  I And then there may also need to be some way of tracking and deleting the  I entries in the table when a user is deleted.  You do not want a new user @3 to inherit some one else's user logical name table.   H And finally the issue comes down to the usefullness of the feature V.S. G the time to implement it, how much it would actually be used, etcetera.z   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlya   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 06:44:32 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)) Subject: Microsoft costs "more" than VMS!h= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0201290644.46c54755@posting.google.com>n  9 I am tired of hearing how expensive VMS is ... this showsa7 the exact opposite ... VMS users have saved billions of": dollars while windoze users spent billions in security ...  ' If Microsoft security fails, .Net failsf By John Pescatore  ZDNet News i January 23, 2002   I  E Microsoft has committed to making its products more secure and worthy>F of customers' trust. The philosophy outlined in a memo from Bill GatesD last week lays out most of the imperatives that Gartner believes are6 necessary for Microsoft to change the software maker's< long-established product management and development culture.  > Microsoft became the world's most powerful software company byD building software that gave the individual the control. Upgrades andE new software always included more features to allow people to do moresB things. Product managers got promoted by shipping software on timeD with enough new features to compel customers to upgrade. Crashes andE sloppy programming that left gaping holes for hackers became problems> of secondary importance.  F With the Internet, however, security vulnerabilities became exposed toE attack from any savvy programmer on the planet. If Gates' realignment F of Microsoft to the Internet in 1996 had made security a prime concern> for new Internet features, enterprises would have avoided many@ billions of dollars of cleanup costs because of the long list ofF viruses and worms that have struck Internet-connected servers and PCs.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:23:49 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: Microsoft costs "more" than VMS! + Message-ID: <98z58.1591$fL5.1964@rwcrnsc53>O  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagea7 news:d7791aa1.0201290644.46c54755@posting.google.com...t; > I am tired of hearing how expensive VMS is ... this showse9 > the exact opposite ... VMS users have saved billions ofI< > dollars while windoze users spent billions in security ... >   D Not to mention the billions spent on cleaning up in the aftermath ofG security-related goat-ropes. And the billions spent on, umm, "unplannedd Windoze downtime."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:07:14 -0000-= From: "David McKenzie" <david.mckenzie@spitfire0.demon.co.uk>l& Subject: Re: mount problems on clusterB Message-ID: <1012295258.23957.0.nnrp-02.c1edba74@news.demon.co.uk>  G And further, quorum access is done at a very low level, down and dirty,7. which does not require the disk to be mounted.  F "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com.nospam> wrote in2 message news:3C55F7BB.24967308@intel.com.nospam... > Rob Buxton wrote:r >a > > I'll expand. further...  > >sH > > The procedure I use is similar, but probably a bit more complex than	 > > Robs. J > > The common disk containg UAF etc. is a shadow set, it's served by HSDs! > > connected to a pair of VAXes.oJ > > The VAXes are the voters of the cluster along with a quorum disk (also > > HSD served)iJ > > When the Alphas boot the HSD disks are available - (the Alphas are too > > young to vote.)- > >aI > > Because it's a shadow set I need to check that each member Exists andxI > > is Available before mounting. The com file then mounts either both orm* > > the member it finds as the shadow set. >n > [...]l > A >     Forgive me if I'm belaboring the obvious, but when you say,aF > "[the procedure] then mounts either both or _the member it finds_ asG > the shadow set", that last is not sufficient.  To mount a shadow set,IE > _all_ members _must_ be visible to _all_ hosts which mount the set.fC > If you have a 2-member shadow set, and only one member is visiblel@ > during boot, the mount will (or _should_) fail.  Have I missed > something? >r
 >     -Ken > --8 > I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me... >e > Ken Fairfield3# > F20 Automation VMS System Supporte > kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.comu >n >.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jan 2002 09:38 CSTr' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)d& Subject: Re: mount problems on cluster- Message-ID: <29JAN200209381762@gerg.tamu.edu>B  e In article <5a2UgNSrUXvz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes...oV }In article <HnP48.1431$A3.7139@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:E }> First of all, mounting disks in sylogicals.com is not a good idea.a } $ }   We are in complete disagreement. } B }   Mounting disks in sylogicals is needed if the disk in question? }   holds the cluster common files for which sylogicals definesR@ }   logical names.  Mounting other disks is not a bad idea.  CDsA }   and Infoserver services often cannot be mounted in sylogicalsuH }   (never understood the issue with CDs, I think it has something to do }   with security profiles). } A }   All my clusters mount all thier hard disks in sylogicals.com.d } G }   Is it possible that the correct sylogicals.com is in a sys$specificmA }   directory instead of a sys$common directory?  The other nodesc }   wouldn't see it if it is.r }  a  7 In SYLOGICALS.COM (initially, at least) is the comment:    $!K $! Include MOUNT/SYSTEM command(s) for the disk(s) on which the above files N $! reside on.   Please see SYS$EXAMPLES:CLU_MOUNT_DISK.COM for the recommended6 $! method of performing these MOUNT/SYSTEM operations. $!  I Where the "above files" are the various site specific files referenced by_L logicals names when not in the default location, such as SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST, NETPROXY, QMAN$MASTER, etc.a  F Thus mounting such disks in SYLOGICALS.COM is obviously something that VMS Engineering is OK with.I  C On the other hand, it seems that some people ignore the "please seee? SYS$EXAMPLES:CLU_MOUNT_DISK.COM" part and don't do it properly.a   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:29:39 -0500s+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>a1 Subject: RE: new partner also sent to openvms.orgnT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1BF6@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   David,  H Fwiw, I agree that an platform optimized application will always produceC a more efficient and better performing result than a cross platformd solution such as Java.  B As someone else mentioned, as long as OpenVMS can keep up with the> Jones, then its base OS features can begin to offer a level of differentiation over the OS's.  A And while the Java performance on OpenVMS used to be lagging, the-3 current levels are on par (+/- 5%) of Tru64 levels.k   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantr Compaq Canada Corp.: Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-46601 Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----. From: David Mathog [mailto:mathog@caltech.edu] Sent: January 28, 2002 11:19 AMr To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com(1 Subject: Re: new partner also sent to openvms.orgn     "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20C > And to just add to Sues posting .. As mentioned before, this is aa great C > example where an application written in Java becomes very easy toA > certify on OpenVMS.u >=20  9 ANSI C is just as portable as Java and a WHOLE LOT FASTERl; once it's actually running. At least that's true for simpleA2 programs that process files and/or compute values.< Once a GUI or network usage is required C becomes a lot less; portable, for instance, select() isn't used the same way onA; different OS's.  At that point Java does have a portability E advantage.  However, it's becoming less and less clear how great thati? advantage is though since the advent of Cygwin and OS/X one canVE typically build any gnuish application (ie, will compile with gcc andpA build with gmake) for Unix/Windows/Mac with minimal work.  It mayo@ not look native on one or more of these but it will run.  If the8 DII/COE stuff ever ships VMS should be in the same boat.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 04:40:25 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)s Subject: Re: New VMS newsgroup= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0201290440.21eefe54@posting.google.com>e  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<bnfCKz68WlGO@eisner.encompasserve.org>...  y- > That has not been proven in this newsgroup.   9 Too true. As a "swinging voter" I'll go with staying with  it as it is.  E I would like to see a (smallish) and on topic number of comp.os.vms.*fC style newsgroups (if things could work that way). The "vmsnet" onesd/ are not really, how you would say, "out there".   B I don't like the "Chicken Little" approach, avoid it - life is too short.  9 Sorry for the late reply. I have not been near a computerr? over the Aust. Day long weekend - I made myself sick sanding my-@ yacht (it needs major repairs due to the summer sun). Now I need? repairs due to the summer sun - I am *totally* a "cold weather"u type person.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 07:58:02 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r Subject: Re: New VMS newsgroup3 Message-ID: <g+hlDw84v8l+@eisner.encompasserve.org>I  i In article <55f85d77.0201290440.21eefe54@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes:   G > I would like to see a (smallish) and on topic number of comp.os.vms.*hE > style newsgroups (if things could work that way). The "vmsnet" onese1 > are not really, how you would say, "out there".s  @ The VMSNET newsgroups are available to me, and when some (other)8 newsgroup was not available I made a request and got it.  B I would suggest that everyone who wants to increase the visibilityD of VMS should request that their providers carry the VMS newsgroups.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:30:13 +0000a. From: Peter Jackson <Peter.Jackson@oracle.com>0 Subject: Re: Oracle RDB - SQLNet   Documentation* Message-ID: <3C56C005.EB97A314@oracle.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------B4EAFC62F5EB6F0B8698F627* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitd  K SQL*Net for Rdb allows access to Rdb from any SQL*Net client by imitating a  SQL*Net listener.-H It is implemented as an alternative type of SQL Services service, and is( managed in the same way as SQL Services.I There is no Rdb specific client side software, so the clients are managede	 normally.D  L So look in the SQL Services documentation for how the server is managed, andK the SQL*Net for Rdb manuals for the minor differences. To find them go intopF Metalink, select Top Tech Docs, scroll to the bottom and select OracleB SQL/Services, SQL*Net & ODBC for Rdb, then click on Documentation.  K For full support of Oracle8 or later clients you need SQL Services 7.1.5 orI; later. That has a problem with Rdb versions prior to 7.0.4.t  @ > > Don't remember exactly the name (something like tnslsnr) for@ > > adminstration (stop/start/status...) of the SQLnet listener. >hG > lsnrctl ...or something like that. This always gets me when I need toe  > look at the listener's status.  O This is not used for SQL*Net for Rdb. Use sqlsrv_manage(NN) or the GUI manager.a  
 Peter Jackson  Oracle Rdb Support  & --------------B4EAFC62F5EB6F0B8698F627- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="Peter.Jackson.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bits+ Content-Description: Card for Peter JacksonP  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="Peter.Jackson.vcf"b   begin:vcard  n:;Peter x-mozilla-html:FALSE
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1a' email;internet:Peter.Jackson@oracle.comI fn:Peter Jackson	 end:vcardm  ( --------------B4EAFC62F5EB6F0B8698F627--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:53:28 -0500r3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>c? Subject: Re: Oracle VMS Apache & Java versus Compaq CSWS & Java 1 Message-ID: <lsA58.129$am1.3748@news.cpqcorp.net>a  L "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3C45CCB0.3050906@home.nl...I > I've been studying the Oracle 9i installation manual for VMS today, andeD > noticed that they seem to have their own version of the Apache web5 > server for VMS, and also their own version of Java.o >hH > I'm puzzled by this. We all want Oracle to improve their work for VMS,G > and here we see Compaq creating the Compaq Secure Web Server for VMS,tG > and Oracle also producing a version of Apache for VMS. The same thinga% > seems to apply (partly ?) for Java.e >uH > Why on earth isn't is possible that Compaq and Oracle work together onF > this, and give us one version of this software ? Or that Oracle justH > refers to Compaq for the webserver and Java ? After all, Oracle doen't; > supply us with compilers either, so why Apache and Java ?s >   H We are working with Oracle to make our CSWS sources available to them soH that their Apache WEB server can be based on the same sources that we'reF using. However, they have requirements over and above those of CSWS soH they're adding those feathres that they need. I'm not aware of a similarG sharing of sources for Java but I believe it's also true that they havehA additional Java requirements which is why they do their own Java.o   ---- Gaitan D'Antonie. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.htmlo Compaq Computer Corporationh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:37:17 +0100h- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>w- Subject: Re: PGPlot on OpenVMS and PNG Outputi3 Message-ID: <3C565F3D.166F06DB@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>e   Richard L. Dyson wrote:d >  > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:e > >e > > Rick Dyson wrote:i > >rS > > > Has anyone else who might be familiar with Tim Pearson's PGPlot package triedhT > > > to build it with the PNG driver?  I have been trying to add this device and amO > > > having problems getting the libraries to build correctly.  I keep getting-U > > > unresolved references to functions within the LibPNG library.  It may be due toeP > > > mixing the shareable and non-shared libraries.  I am pretty rusty on those > > > LINK details.9 > >@L > > Please post the link command(s), and the exact error messages, and maybe > > we can figure it out.c > Q >         OK :)  I am using LibZ v1.1.3 and LibPNG v1.2.0.  The same ones used ineN > several web analyzer packages that all run smoothly with them.  I am working > with > PGPlot v5.2.2 also.h > # > $ LINK /NOUSER /SHARE=GRPSHR.EXE-a2 >       GRPCKG.OLB/INCLUDE=GROPEN,GRPCKG.OLB/LIB,- >       SYS$INPUT/OPT,-a* >       SYS$SHARE:DECW$XLIBSHR.EXE/SHARE,-J >       DISK$ICS:[DYSON.TOOLS.PGPLOT.PGPLOT-5_2_2.png]libpng.olb/library,-F >       DISK$ICS:[DYSON.TOOLS.PGPLOT.PGPLOT-5_2_2.png]libz.olb/libraryD > ! The following defines the version number of the shareable image. > GSMATCH = LEQUAL,1,50g? > ! The following PSECT list must include all the common-blockso" > ! declared in GRPCKG and PGPLOT. > PSECT = GRCM00 ,LCL,NOSHR  > PSECT = GRCM01 ,LCL,NOSHRf > PSECT = GRCS02 ,LCL,NOSHRe > L > ... several PSECT for each PGPlot library routine in shareable library ... > H > ! Transfer vectors: Only user-callable routines have transfer vectors.H > ! If you change this file and want it to be compatible with a previousG > ! version, you must add transfer vectors only at the end of the list.nD > ! If you remove a transfer vector, replace it with a pointer to an > ! error processing routine.h# > SYMBOL_VECTOR=(GRAREA=PROCEDURE,-  > GRCHAR=PROCEDURE,- > GRCHSZ=PROCEDURE,- > GRCLOS=PROCEDURE,- > - > ... lots of individual routine listings ...e >  > then unresolved references:u > ) > %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 11 undefined symbols:s0 > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_CREATE_INFO_STRUCT1 > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_CREATE_WRITE_STRUCTd2 > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_DESTROY_WRITE_STRUCT% > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_INIT_IO.& > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_SET_IHDR& > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_SET_PLTE& > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_SET_TEXT& > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_SET_TRNS' > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_WRITE_ENDo( > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_WRITE_INFO' > %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         PNG_WRITE_ROWl< > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol PNG_SET_IHDR referenced+ >         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000070c >  > ... and more ... > N > All of these PNG routines are in the LibPNG.olb library, mostly in the png.c > file.  > F One idea : How did jou compile PNG and ZLIB? did you use /name=(as_is)D there? In that case also the calling routine shoulb be compiled with this option.               Jouk   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:31:08 GMTi' From: Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>o- Subject: Re: PGPlot on OpenVMS and PNG Outputw) Message-ID: <3C56C03C.6CD7B177@UIowa.EDU>    Rick Dyson wrote:o > O > Has anyone else who might be familiar with Tim Pearson's PGPlot package triedeP > to build it with the PNG driver?  I have been trying to add this device and amK > having problems getting the libraries to build correctly.  I keep gettinglQ > unresolved references to functions within the LibPNG library.  It may be due todL > mixing the shareable and non-shared libraries.  I am pretty rusty on those > LINK details.   E 	With the help from Jouk Jansen's suggestion, I have now successfullyrP built and tested this plotting library with the new PNG driver support.  Thanks!  L 	The trick was to compile PNDRIV with /Name = As_Is and then change PNDRIV.C/ so that it uses UPPERCASE for the routine name.o   Thanks to all!
 Rick Dyson   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 09:08:45 -05002 From: ken.s.robinson@exxonmobil.com (Ken Robinson)E Subject: Questions about setting up an Advanced Server  Member Servers8 Message-ID: <Xns91A55E940D03ksrobinerenjcom@66.40.56.80>  K I'm finally able to set up a Member Server on a test network before moving - it to out Production network.e  E The test network consists of a NT 4.0 PDC, a few other NT boxes, and mK a DS10 running VMS 7.3 and Advanced Server 7.3 as a Member Server. On this zD test network I have access to the NT PDC and the Admin username and = password. On our production network I won't have that access.g  @ I have a few concerns and questions as the result of a few days 
 testing...  G 1) It seems I need access to the PDC Admin username and password to be zE able to add a local group to a local share. For the following, I was nF logged into the member server. I created a local group named ANSUSER. E When I tried to create a local share, also called ANSUSER, using the -> parameters "/noperm/perm=(ansuser=full)", I got an error back C saying "no such user or group". I then created the share using all  C defaults and it worked fine. When I went to the PDC, I was able to .? modify the share to have the above permissions with no problem.s  G 2) I occassionally get prompted for a server password (I trying to pin dG down when this happens). No passwords that I know work at this prompt, o including hitting Return.   D I am trying to configure the member server to look like a currently F running PW 5.0f system that is currently running on some old hardware 6 that's on its last legs or as close as I can get it...   Thanks in advance.   Ken Robinson! OpenVMS System Manager Consultanto ken.s.robinson@exxonmobil.com  kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:44:22 -0500 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>b Subject: Re: STR$lowercase ?8 Message-ID: <2vcd5u8dj57i73lj76mehdva42n8vflbqj@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:16:12 GMT, Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU>i wrote:  E >	Excellent Suggestion Steve!  I was unaware of that Library service.o  B There are a bunch of LIB$ routines like this.  If memory serves, I> wrote the VAX version of LIB$MOVTC and constructed the variousD translate tables WAAAAAY back when (1979-1980)  Of course, the Alpha# version is different code entirely.   B >	With your help, I have written this which appears to work.  DoesF >anyone see any problems with it?  It is not documented nor tested for >robustness,H >but it appears to work with a simple test program I through together...  A I agree with Ken Fairfield's comment that initializing the return E value to -1 seems irregular.  Actually, there's no need to initialize.F it at all because it will always get set by LIB$MOVTC.  I do recommend adding:0         Include '($LIB$ROUTINES)'e   to properly declare LIB$MOVTC.      D Please send Visual Fortran support requests to vf-support@compaq.com   Steve Lionel Compaq Fortran Engineering Intel Corporationo
 Nashua, NH  . Compaq Fortran - http://www.compaq.com/fortranK Intel Fortran - http://developer.intel.com/software/products/compilers/f50/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:26:30 +0800i' From: Strongtockalert221175@yahoo.co.jpg' Subject: Strong Stock Alert 22117543322k- Message-ID: <B0000543650@hanseocollege.or.kr>s   CBCom, Inc. (OTCBB : CBCI)  % Immediate & Strong BUY Recommendations  C Huge Analyst and Newsletter Coverage for CBCI                      o  0 CBCI will be profiled by some major analysts and1 newsletters along with the release of significanth/ news regarding explosive sales for the Company.n2 There will be huge volume and a strong increase in5 price for several days. The same groups that featureds4 ONNN will begin coverage on CBCI. ONNN exploded from6 $ 1.94 to $4.13 in six days.  We know for certain that9 the same groups are going to feature CBCI and even betterc returns are expected.u  5 CBCom, Inc. (CBCI) is the largest and fastest growingb6 non-government owned ISP and Internet services company5 in China.  CBCI, our top undervalued HOT PICK, is them3 only Company of its kind to trade on a US Exchange.a6 Revenues are Exploding due to booming Chinese Internet8 growth and CBCI's aquisition of many of its competitors.  4 We are very proud that we can share this information4 with you so that you can make a profit out of it. It6 is highly advisable to take a position in CBCI as soon8 as possible, today before the market closes or tomorrow.  7 The stock could easily reach $4.00 in less than a montho8 on the strength of their upcoming contract announcements& and Strong Analyst Buy Recomendations.  ( When word gets out this stock will SOAR! 22117543322c   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 05:51:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen). Subject: Re: suspend a job3 Message-ID: <D6KAAzFG7Acq@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  B In article <a361dm$neb$1@news2.isdnet.net>, "lif" <t@i.gb> writes: > hi,p >  > newbie question...3 > can i suspend temporarily a job that is running ?M. > can i change his priority during execution ?  
 Yes, type:   	$ HELP SET PROCESSf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:38:20 +0100M From: "lif" <t@i.gb> Subject: suspend a job+ Message-ID: <a361dm$neb$1@news2.isdnet.net>,   hi,r   newbie question...1 can i suspend temporarily a job that is running ? , can i change his priority during execution ?   thanx.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:08:14 -0500o% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: suspend a job, Message-ID: <3C5690A5.1CCFF442@videotron.ca>  
 lif wrote:3 > can i suspend temporarily a job that is running ? . > can i change his priority during execution ?  ) SET proc/id=xxxxxxx/SUSPEND  and /RESUME n   SET PROC/id=xxxxxx/prio=x   J HELP SET PROCESS will give you more details. You can obtain the process ID with a SHOW SYSTEM   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 08:23:50 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: suspend a job3 Message-ID: <KPHsRWPVC5qa@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  B In article <a361dm$neb$1@news2.isdnet.net>, "lif" <t@i.gb> writes:   > newbie question...3 > can i suspend temporarily a job that is running ? . > can i change his priority during execution ?      Newbie answers: yes, yes.      See:V      $help set process   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:28:49 -0500x% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>o Subject: The value of a leader, Message-ID: <3C56E9BD.DE78AD98@videotron.ca>  M IBM announced that Gerstner was to retire next year and that they are lookingg for a new leader.- IBM stock down sigificantly.  J I think this shows how important it is for a company the size of Compaq to have a real leader at the helm.e   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 12:44:46 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s" Subject: Re: The value of a leader3 Message-ID: <RvvCA110SNH4@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  T In article <3C56E9BD.DE78AD98@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes:O > IBM announced that Gerstner was to retire next year and that they are lookingl > for a new leader.g > IBM stock down sigificantly. >   * 	http://news.com.com/2100-1001-825197.html    r IBM appoints Palmisano CEO c     By Michael Kanellos  Staff Writer, CNET News.com  January 29, 2002, 10:00 AM PTe    N update Sam Palmisano will become IBM's chief executive March 1, succeeding Lou$ Gerstner, the company said Tuesday.   B 	Secondly, entire market down today.  Compaq, HP, IBM down similar
 	percentages.a   					Rob   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:29:17 GMT # From: Jerry Tunis <mjtunis@lbl.gov>o Subject: There must be a way' Message-ID: <3C56EA88.1032E346@lbl.gov>g  F I have 3 old 380mb scsi drives (DUA0-2) on a small MicroVax cluster. ID want to retire these drives and replace them with a new big drive byF creating 3 partitions on it. Can one partition a VMS drive in a system7 running VAX/VMS version V5.5-2? There must be some way.a   TIA,   Jerry Tunis    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:31:27 -0700 4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>- Subject: Using PortMapper to run an IP Server 1 Message-ID: <4UB58.27$024.123411@news.uswest.net>s  L Does anyone have a simple sample program that uses the VMS TCP/IP PortmapperF system to listen to a port and then spawn an external program with the- client connection.  I'm writing in VMS Basic.o   -- Thanks,j
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 06:16:12 -08005 From: pat.saunders@sis.securicor.co.uk (pat saunders) # Subject: vax / decnet license query7< Message-ID: <bc0e3bd8.0201290616.7003206@posting.google.com>   hi,nA I have a query about licenses. On our Micro vax 3100. We did havel  licenses for the product types :       DVNETEND,l
       P.S.I ,l       WAN-DEVICE-DRIVERS       and VAX-VMS.D Due to a hard disk failure we lost the above info and did not have aB backup. We restored from a backup of another micro vax 3100-30 andF changed the license keys to the PAK'S of spares that were lying around the company.? We still cannot transmit on the network , this is thought to be $ because licenses are node specific .B We have contacted COMPAQ but as we don't have an order number they& can't seem to find the required PAK's.1 We are worried we will have to buy more licenses.Q, Can anyone enlighten me on this problem!!!!! ta patb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:38:28 +0000g( From: Martyn <mpattKNICKERS@bigfoot.com>' Subject: Re: vax / decnet license query.( Message-ID: <3C56B3E4.90607@bigfoot.com>   pat saunders wrote:e   >e@ >We still cannot transmit on the network , this is thought to be% >because licenses are node specific .r >e9 What makes you think it's specifically a license problem?-E Do you get any messages about these specific license when you try to =
 load them?H If any licenses are restricted to a particular node name you can modify  them by doing a   > $LIC MODIF/INCL=NewnodeName ProductName/AUTH=AuthorizationCode  I If the licenses were originally issued for a different box you might not eD have enough license units for this machine, you can check the units  required by doing :-   $SHOW LIC/CHARGE  G It might well not be a license problem so tell us what errors/symptoms 15 are you getting when trying to do network operations?@   -- c, Remove KNICKERS before replying by Email ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:01:22 +0100a5 From: "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>4' Subject: VMS 7.1-1H2 and TCPIP 5.1 ECO3d& Message-ID: <3c56722d$1@news.euriware>   Hello,H I need to upgrade my version of TCPIP to 5.1. When I look in the release notes they say6 OpenVMS Alpha V7.1, V7.1-1H1, V7.1-1H2, V7.2 for ECO 1@ OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1,V7.2-1H1,V7.2-2 and V7.3 for ECO2 and up...
 (Not 7.1-1H2)    What I'm I missing ? Thxq   -- Philippe BocherV   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jan 2002 07:11:46 -0800- From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell)e/ Subject: Re: VMS person looking for a job in UKq= Message-ID: <9f261edc.0201290711.7b4149d5@posting.google.com>f  v Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:<20020118114049.60620.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>... > Tryc >  > www.jobrecruit.co.uk > $ > A lot of OpenVMS jobs in Europe ! / > There was a position in Surrey another day !   > 
 > Fabio C.  = Well, now that *I* need a job, the above just re-directs to an# webhosting / domain names company (e7 http://easily.co.uk/index.php3?fsite=jobrecruit.co.uk )e  ' Was the URL you posted correct? Thanks.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:38:13 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h; Subject: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)W8 Message-ID: <v7bd5u8bjjoishnrgdfdvkou83tfq556d7@4ax.com>  @ On 30 Dec 2001 20:48:25 GMT, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote:     > D >I'm 56 and also have doubts that VMS will last until my retirement.  A In the analyst presentations we saw Capellas talk a bit about theoA strengths of a merged HP/Compaq. One slide showed "Superdome" andtF "Himalaya" at the very high end, dropping down through examples of midA range and low end. VMS did not appear on the slide anywhere. This E matches exactly the document produced by HP attacking Walter Hewlett.i  E At the high end "Superdome" is shown coming from HP and Himalaya from F Compaq. Under midrange servers we see "#2 market share" coming from HPE and nothing coming from Compaq. Next down is "entry level RISC" whichbB is shown as coming from HP and finally "Industry Standard Servers"F says "Market Leader" shown as coming from Compaq. There is no room for VMS here.  SeeE ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/corporate/ir/Analyst2002_Capellas2.ppt slideg 6   : However they still managed to put up a slide during Elias'E presentation mentioning the dates for the VMS Itanium port. I find antA inconsistency here but one that could have a logical explanation. E Perhaps Compaq intend to complete the port (in fact realise that theyCF must) but then immediately sell VMS. Perhaps they already have a buyerD lined up? Intel? Management buyout massively subsidized by Compaq to get it off their hands?b  B Could a worldwide sales team be put in place with the resources to really push VMS?  D And what should such an organization do about future platforms - tieF itself to the uncertain future of Itanium on the assumption that IntelA will make it a success or start looking at X86-64 given that even,= Intel is hedging its bets here with Hammer compatibility modeH0 currently being designed into future IA32 chips.  @ Did Compaq know about Intel's fallback plans at the time of  theE Alphacide? It would seem unlikely they wouldn't but surely that makeslB the decision to can Alpha in favour of Itanium leaving no "Plan B"8 even stranger given that even Intel has an escape route.  C It only makes sense to me if Compaq have decided, regardless of anyrC other factors, that they want out of "proprietary". And that's whatH  they continually say after all.      -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:03:21 -0500u% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>U? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)A, Message-ID: <3C56C7AF.45E85024@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote: G > Perhaps Compaq intend to complete the port (in fact realise that they H > must) but then immediately sell VMS. Perhaps they already have a buyerF > lined up? Intel? Management buyout massively subsidized by Compaq to > get it off their hands?R  H I don't think that Compaq will sell VMS. As long as it generates profitsE without any advertising, then there is no reason to allow a potentialFO competitor to maximise the potential of VMS and steal customers from HP/Compaq.0  L Compaq will slowly reduce development budgets for VMS after the port to IA64N and will let customers decide, with strong incentives to stay with Compaq/HP.   K And if the HP takeover of Compaq succeeds, VMS customers will have one lessr< choice to go to if they want to leave those who screwed VMS.  M If Compaq does this slowly enough, VMS customers may have built-up sufficientmN Compaq wintel systems or HP-UX that by the time VMS is killed, they may not beK able to "no longer buy from HP anymore" because VMS will be a small part of  their systems.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:17:37 GMTd4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>? Subject: Re: Where does VMS fit in here? (Was Re: HP admits...)d9 Message-ID: <BWz58.181$Tu1.483@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>n  2 "JF Mezei" <jfmezei@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C56C7AF.45E85024@videotron.ca... > Alan Greig wrote: I > > Perhaps Compaq intend to complete the port (in fact realise that theysJ > > must) but then immediately sell VMS. Perhaps they already have a buyerH > > lined up? Intel? Management buyout massively subsidized by Compaq to > > get it off their hands?a > J > I don't think that Compaq will sell VMS. As long as it generates profitsG > without any advertising, then there is no reason to allow a potential:F > competitor to maximise the potential of VMS and steal customers from
 HP/Compaq. >sI > Compaq will slowly reduce development budgets for VMS after the port tos IA64D > and will let customers decide, with strong incentives to stay with
 Compaq/HP. >bH > And if the HP takeover of Compaq succeeds, VMS customers will have one less> > choice to go to if they want to leave those who screwed VMS. >d  D Research conducted by Ken Farmer and I, not to mention a boatload ofL anecdotal evidence, renders it clear that the port of choice for VMS emigresG is none other than IBM. HWP is specified as a venue of choice by a very ! small number of would-be emigres.n  H IMHO IBM is the company best equipped to meet the needs of VMS users whoL elect to leave the fold. IBM has one hell of an opportunity here; it remainsL to be seen what, if anything, CPQ will do to deter customers from "wandering off the reservation."l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:14:17 -0000=* From: "Ophelia" <Elsinore@cableinet.co.uk>D Subject: Re: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans  ( was The5 Message-ID: <a36lc3$161flu$1@ID-88328.news.dfncis.de>   . LOL that was Scone Palace pronounced  Scoon:))   Opheliam Scotland  / "Dr. Dweeb" <Dweeb@NoSpam.com> wrote in messageI* news:1BW38.114$l43.3716@news.get2net.dk...F > As I may have remarked, in Australia, the town version is pronounced rhymingmH > with "cone".  However I seem to recall that in Polanski's Macbeth, theK > Scottish town of the same name, IIRC "he's gone to Scone to be invested",  is > pronounced rhyming "scon". >. > Such is English. >. > Dweeb.; > "Brian {Hamilton Kelly}" <bhk@dsl.co.uk> wrote in messagex! > news:1011827822snz@dsl.co.uk... / > > In article <3C4DEA60.3B84A44E@ntlworld.com>a6 > >            bass.a.voice@ntlworld.com "DJR" writes: > >l > > > Alan Jones wrote:lI > > > > BrE: scone is usually pronounced 'skon' (I dare not use 'gone' asM the8 > rhyme,H > > > > because in BrE "gone" is sometimes 'gawn' - old-fashioned posh).	 > "Scone"e= > > > > rhymed with "own" is by some thought not quite properc > > >BI > > > Some UK English speakers may disagree entirely with this and assertV thatC > > > the "correct" pronunciation of scone is to rhyme with "cone".8 > >fL > > And has already been remarked in the thread, such people will be pseuds,F > > who doubtless also allow their little fingers to poke out from theF > > teacup, and refer to serviettes and toilets.  This is mock-genteel$ > > affectation, and decidely non-U. > >I > > -- > > Brian {Hamilton Kelly} > bhk@dsl.co.ukcJ > >     "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to oner > ofK > >     distributed ignorance.  And we know and understand less while being  > incr-mL > >     easingly capable."              Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT > Labs > >  >a >s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.056 ************************