1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 01 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 358       Contents:; Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA ; Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA % Re: Delay in publication of VMS books $ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications... KZTSA and AIT1 Re: KZTSA and AIT1J Re: Moving Alpha system disks (Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..J Re: Moving Alpha system disks (Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS .. Re: New VMS Marketing  Time to stop relay spam $ Re: VMS Marketing Volunteers, ctd...$ Re: VMS Marketing Volunteers, ctd...$ Re: VMS Marketing Volunteers, ctd... Re: Worldcom MCI and VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Jun 2002 15:28:23 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)D Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0206301428.2d6cc950@posting.google.com>   t "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<ZucT8.456694$%y.32219108@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...A > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com> wrote in message < > news:CN4T8.300$uT4.166@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I > Two mutually-consistent beliefs without a hint of hypocrisy, but that's K > perhaps a bit too complicated for knuckle-draggers to fathom - especially 9 > when they're righteously outraged by the first of them.    Do as I say not as I do.    8 Nuff said. Later (have to go apply ointment to knucles).   Joe    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 01:46:33 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>D Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATAC Message-ID: <ZvOT8.211978$_j6.10858757@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   / "Joe" <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in message 7 news:d56d1c2d.0206301428.2d6cc950@posting.google.com... 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message > news:<ZucT8.456694$%y.32219108@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...C > > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com> wrote in message > > > news:CN4T8.300$uT4.166@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > K > > Two mutually-consistent beliefs without a hint of hypocrisy, but that's B > > perhaps a bit too complicated for knuckle-draggers to fathom -
 especially; > > when they're righteously outraged by the first of them.  >  > Do as I say not as I do. >  > : > Nuff said. Later (have to go apply ointment to knucles).  G Indeed.  Next time, make more effort to understand what you read before 3 responding to it.  If you need more help, just ask.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:53:01 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>. Subject: Re: Delay in publication of VMS books& Message-ID: <3D1F7DBD.5040304@home.nl>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:G > In article <3D1DD318.90609@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  >  > P >>Many of us were hoping to receive our copies of "OpenVMS with Apache, OSU and F >>WASD" and of the "OpenVMS System Management Guide" by now, but alas. >  > R >>Both books were scheduled for publication on June 15. However the first book is P >>scheduled now to be published on August 30, and the second book isn't even on E >>the web pages of the publisher yet (that is not the new edition !).  >> >  > M > I can't speak to the "OpenVMS System Management Guide", but as to the other L > one, the delay is all my fault.  That's the first book I've written, and I> > seriously underestimated the time and trouble it would take.  Q I can understand that. Writing a good report or manual can take a long time, let     alone a book !  
 > I returned  H > corrected proofs to the relevant freelance Frame person in early June. >  > N >>I just hope the books will be up to date when they are published (Apache 2.x >  > and  VMS 7.3-1). > N > The book will have inevitably fallen somewhat behind.  There won't be a CSWSO > based on Apache 2.x by the publication date, but WASD 8.0 (maybe 8.1) will be P > out and the book is based on 7.2; OSU 3.9 and 3.10alpha are covered, but 3.10aQ > is out.  The book isn't particularly OS-version specific, but my tests were all  > done on VMS 7.2-2.  L Perhaps you can write a addendum when a CSWS version based on Apache 2.x is P released ? (if there are important changes of course). A pdf file would be nice.   >  > Sorry to disappoint.  Q That's ok ! I'm very happy you took the trouble writing the book, and I hope you  O will sell a lot of copies. That would show the interest in e-bussiness on VMS .    Regards and thanks,    Dirk   > 	 > -- Alan  >  > Q > =============================================================================== 2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 O >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 Q > ===============================================================================  >    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jun 2002 21:29:29 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications... 0 Message-ID: <afnt7p$geo$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  = In article <d7791aa1.0206290611.3dd25cbf@posting.google.com>, ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: u >"Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<M0fT8.457955$%y.32295426@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...  >>  M >> So what?  The discussion was what additional portability meant to VMS, not N >> to NSK (which because of its requirement for lock-step is far less portableM >> anyway).  If Itanic sinks, the choice will be whether to let VMS *and* NSK O >> sink with it or just let NSK sink (or continue to limp along on MIPS for the L >> indefinite future) and take VMS to the best platform available.  Sure, HPO >> may not like that choice.  Tough:  they (and Compaq) made their bed, and now  >> have to lie in it.  > @ >you are not giving the Alpha team enough credit here as to what< >they will roll out post McKinley ... and remember, EV8-9 is >still out there ...  F Neither of those will make the slightest difference, however hard theyC are/were pursued and however incredible the results.  They are just E too late to affect the issue.  By 2005/2006 (Chivano, or the earliest @ an EV8 could be delivered, even with no limit on resources), the# battle will have been lost and won.   D The Madison (2003) and Montecito (2004) are just McKinley shrinks toA 0.13 and 0.1 micron, with a few minor tweaks to take advantage of  the extra area.      Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:53:22 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: KZTSA and AIT1 < Message-ID: <howard-DC8FDE.21532230062002@enews.newsguy.com>  F I plugged this TurboChannel card into an Alpha 3000 box.  The console G sees the card.  It doesn't see the tape drive.  Booted into VMS 7.2-1,  0 it didn't see the tape drive either.  Any ideas?   --  # "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  I hope you have good backups! ) Are there any more networked SJFs around?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 03:55:39 GMT / From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70-nospam@attbi.com>  Subject: Re: KZTSA and AIT1 . Message-ID: <%oQT8.209543$nZ3.98669@rwcrnsc53>  J Make sure you have the latest firmware. You can download it from HPQ's web site.     4 "Howard S Shubs" <howard@shubs.net> wrote in message6 news:howard-DC8FDE.21532230062002@enews.newsguy.com...G > I plugged this TurboChannel card into an Alpha 3000 box.  The console H > sees the card.  It doesn't see the tape drive.  Booted into VMS 7.2-1,2 > it didn't see the tape drive either.  Any ideas? >  > --% > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  > I hope you have good backups! + > Are there any more networked SJFs around?    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jun 2002 12:35:22 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) S Subject: Re: Moving Alpha system disks (Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS .. ! Message-ID: <dGsoUzNn0Z+8@rabbit>   H My concern when posting was that a lot of general statements were flyingL around, which could neither be proved or disproved.  An attempt to bring theF thread into a "practical" light ultimately ended up being instructive,O rather than degenerating into another "yes, I can!", "no ,you can't!" flamewar.   J Subsequent postings in this thread (including your own) have borne out theL wisdom of getting down to cases and examples.  Folks who wish to move systemI disks around in their own shops now have some general guidelines and good  advice upon which to proceed.    L In article <afkifj$hi8$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:] > In article <TIBwvOgUeHWh@rabbit>, sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: I >>To put a practical cast on this issue, I offer a real-life example:	:-)  >>M >>Our shop consists of PCI-based Alphas, and older DEC7000's with a different L >>backplane (XMI bus).  The system disk from an XMI-based machine *could* beH >>plunked into a PCI-based machine, but you would have to massage TCP/IPP >>services, for instance, which treats PCI and XMI ethernet cards with different >>names. >>D >>So, yes, you can move a system disk around, but depending upon the2 >>architecture, certain things need to be changed. >> > H > I don't think anyone has suggested that you don't need to do some workG > after the move to tune the system, reconfigure network interfaces etc L > in order to get the system fully functioning. After moving the disk though& > you will be able to boot the system.Q > I'd probably do the first boot minimum startup in order to make various changes M > in the startup files eg make sure the startup isn't going to hang trying to  > mount non-existent disks etc >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University --   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jul 2002 00:23:10 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>S Subject: Re: Moving Alpha system disks (Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS .. - Message-ID: <87n0tc3fdd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>     david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:  C > I don't think anyone has suggested that you don't need to do some = > work after the move to tune the system, reconfigure network D > interfaces etc in order to get the system fully functioning. After= > moving the disk though you will be able to boot the system.   A > I'd probably do the first boot minimum startup in order to make E > various changes in the startup files eg make sure the startup isn't 6 > going to hang trying to mount non-existent disks etc  9 A `use default write active' is a good move at time too.     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 01:22:26 GMT ( From: "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com> Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing+ Message-ID: <3D1FAE86.1070103@epsilon3.com>    John Smith wrote:  ...  > L > My questions were directed at finding out how Ed found out about this tourJ > in the first place, ie. did he stumble upon it by accident, did he get aM > direct mailing from HP, did his HP salesperson contact him? In other words, M > I wanted to know what steps HP was taking to ACTIVELY promote this tour and K > how they were contacting potential attendees. This has a direct effect on 6 > what the size of the potential pool of attendees is. ...  I got an email.    --  
 Jay E. Morris D ANYA: I found one of those 24-hour places for coffee. Remember that F bookstore? Well they became one of those books-and-coffee places, and ? now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without the   getting-better part. -----------    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 00:20:23 GMT 0 From: "brad.madison" <brad.madison@mail.tds.net>  Subject: Time to stop relay spam, Message-ID: <3D1FA044.2A90BD39@mail.tds.net>  2 Please see:  http://www.corpit.ru/cgi-bin/h0n5yp0t  G On a VMS system with no real email function a basic honeypot is created  by:    $ stop/queue ucx_whatever    (or similarly for other MTAs.)  F The honeypot above is up to 2.6 million recipients protected since theE last time the counter was reset.  Others (outside the U.S.) also trap  major amounts of spam.  E Please think about this, please do it.  There are a lot of objections H that can be raised.  Most are off the mark.  The honeypot above has beenG working since February. It is more cool in many ways to have a web page D attached to the honeypot but it isn't essential.  There are probablyD many unexplored aspects of realy spam honeypots.  There are probablyF ways to combat relay spammers that haven't been discoverd because spam? from some relay spammers haven't yet been trapped by honeypots.   A My goal is for relay spam to stop in July.  This is ambitious but F possible.  The first step is to stop enough spam so that the effect is noticeable.    Thanks.  --> "Our problems are mostly behind us.  What we have to do now is. fight the solutions."  ---Stult's Report (from" http://www.reznor.com/~aj/quotes/)  > See: http://fightrelayspam.homestead.com/ for my honeypot page Stop relay spam in July    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 00:57:54 GMT ( From: "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com>- Subject: Re: VMS Marketing Volunteers, ctd... + Message-ID: <3D1FA8C6.2060801@epsilon3.com>    Terry C. Shannon wrote: F > So I was wondering. What would happen if I actually formed a limitedM > liability corporation (one with no assets) called VMS Marketing Volunteers, L > LLC? The thought has entered my mind, but the legal ramifications might be > onerous indeed.  > K > One new Volunteer has enlisted and ordered her cards already ($8.95 total M > cost for two-week shipping). This could be the start of a tsunami that will  > engulf downstream marketing! >  > -- > Terry C. Shannon > Consultant and Publisher > Shannon Knows HPC $ > PLEASE NOTE MY *NEW* EMAIL ADDRESS > email: terryshannon@attbi.com 6 > Web (info on SKHPC):  www.openvms.org, www.tru64.org >  >   + So, does it count if we make our own cards?   - http://www.epsilon3.com/images/vms_evang2.jpg   G (I've already started.  Talking to my bosses boss last Tuesday and she  I asked me when the laboratory was going to move off of VMS.  I gave her a  H blank look and said "you've received word that hell is freezing over?". I   I did explain to her though, gently, why it was "A Very Stupid Idea"TM  D and she agreed.  Which got me a new DS20, MSL5026, and hard drives.)   --  
 Jay E. Morris D ANYA: I found one of those 24-hour places for coffee. Remember that F bookstore? Well they became one of those books-and-coffee places, and ? now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without the   getting-better part. -----------    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 01:04:34 GMT ( From: "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com>- Subject: Re: VMS Marketing Volunteers, ctd... ) Message-ID: <3D1FAA57.50702@epsilon3.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:a > In article <af779g$euq$7@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > - >>In article <3D13760C.72C31C66@caltech.edu>, , >> David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> writes: >>|> "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: >>|> >   >>|> >  R >>|> > Nothing wrong, but HPQ seems to be pretty sensitive to such things. CertainR >>|> > people in the VMS marketing department were outraged when Ken Farmer set up >>|> > www.openvms.org.  >>|>  E >>|> Their stockholders should have been outraged that Compaq did not C >>|> own that address.  Not that such gross incompetence was at all 6 >>|> out of the ordinary for Q management.  Terms likeC >>|> "asleep at the switch" come to mind.  That HPQ has seen fit to?9 >>|> keep pretty much the lot of them certainly bodes ill  >>|> for HPQ's future. >>C >>I don't believe that Compaq could "buy" that one.  They could not D >>meet the requirements for regeistration under the top level "org". >  >  > What requirements ?  >  > Enforced by whom ? > > > Perhaps your are thinking of what the designers had in mind,, > rather than what actually got implemented.  H Back when Network Solutions was the only game in town (US side anyway), @ they would not sign up a .org unless you could prove you were a D non-profit (on purpose).  Since the loosening of the reins that has  dropped by the wayside.0  + Yes, I tried to get a .org and was told no.R   -- s
 Jay E. Morrist Epsilon 3 Productions? jem@epsilon3.comD ANYA: I found one of those 24-hour places for coffee. Remember that F bookstore? Well they became one of those books-and-coffee places, and ? now they're just coffee. It's like evolution, only without the a getting-better part. -----------    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 01:12:50 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>r- Subject: Re: VMS Marketing Volunteers, ctd...e. Message-ID: <m0OT8.207815$nZ3.98659@rwcrnsc53>  3 "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com> wrote in messagem% news:3D1FA8C6.2060801@epsilon3.com...f > Terry C. Shannon wrote:pH > > So I was wondering. What would happen if I actually formed a limitedC > > liability corporation (one with no assets) called VMS Marketings Volunteers,cK > > LLC? The thought has entered my mind, but the legal ramifications mightZ be > > onerous indeed.b > >nG > > One new Volunteer has enlisted and ordered her cards already ($8.95  totaldJ > > cost for two-week shipping). This could be the start of a tsunami that will  > > engulf downstream marketing! > >. > > -- > > Terry C. Shannon > > Consultant and Publisher > > Shannon Knows HPCa& > > PLEASE NOTE MY *NEW* EMAIL ADDRESS! > > email: terryshannon@attbi.comp8 > > Web (info on SKHPC):  www.openvms.org, www.tru64.org > >i > >i >u- > So, does it count if we make our own cards?   J But of course! I just used Vistaprint because I don't have the wherewithal to make my own cards.a   >y/ > http://www.epsilon3.com/images/vms_evang2.jpgd   Nice!    >uH > (I've already started.  Talking to my bosses boss last Tuesday and sheJ > asked me when the laboratory was going to move off of VMS.  I gave her aI > blank look and said "you've received word that hell is freezing over?".-J >   I did explain to her though, gently, why it was "A Very Stupid Idea"TMF > and she agreed.  Which got me a new DS20, MSL5026, and hard drives.) >0   Not bad, not bad!W   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Jul 2002 00:11:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Re: Worldcom MCI and VMSe- Message-ID: <87r8io3fw6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:d  D > Ok, someone mentioned non-paged pool. Does this mean that on unix,C > there is no concept of memory that cannot be paged ?  On Unix, ifs? > you have sufficient RAM, wouldn't it be possible to achieve aaE > similar level of performance since pageable memory wouldn't need to  > be paged ?  D Sort of, in that ther is no concept of anything in the kernel paging at all, so it is ALL 'unpaged'.'  B This `sufficient' RAM, I can count every particle in the universe,% connecting it is sometimes a problem.    -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.358 ************************