1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 02 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 360       Contents:; Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA ; Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall ' Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... ' RE: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... ' Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... ' Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...  CSWS/Apache Vulnerability  Re: CSWS/Apache Vulnerability 
 Re: DDL Files % Re: Delay in publication of VMS books % Re: Delay in publication of VMS books % Re: Delay in publication of VMS books @ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications... Java file names  Re: Java file names  Re: Java file names  Re: KZTSA and AIT1 Re: KZTSA and AIT1+ Linking shareable with SYMBOL_VECTOR (long) / Re: Linking shareable with SYMBOL_VECTOR (long) ( Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloads) OpenVMS comes to Itanium Tour information - RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium Tour information / Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMS  ProLiant BL10e Blade Server  Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server  Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server  RE: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server 	 Re: RMU??  Re: Trouble with BACKUP/RECORD
 UAF questions  Unable to ZIP a file Re: Unable to ZIP a file Re: VAX 4000-200 RE: Worldcom MCI and VMS Re: wow  Re: wow  Re: wow  Re: Xwindows: XDM mode [OT] The Joy of ... Mergers   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 19:38:24 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)D Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0207011838.3539685d@posting.google.com>   t "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<ZucT8.456694$%y.32219108@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...A > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com> wrote in message < > news:CN4T8.300$uT4.166@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...D > > The columnist was Carl Rowan, he frequenty wrote Washington Post
 >  editorials M > > calling for strict gun control.  I was living in the Washington area when  >  he L > > shot an intruder, an no he was never charged despite the strict gun laws >  in  > > D.C.    E I lived nearby in Maryland for 8 years and one day, in D.C., a driver E went mad and started mowing over pedestrians left and right. The cops D didn't charge him with a crime because they couldn't find a law thatE he had broken! Maybe they charged him later, but I'm pretty sure that 0 the next day's paper said there were no charges.     > > following quoted from:C > > http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/quotes/repeal.html  > > K > > "We must reverse this psychology (of needing guns for home defense). WE  >  canI > > do it by passing a law that says anyone found in possession a handgun 	 >  except 9 > > a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail-period!"  > > C > > -- Carl Rowan, Washington DC Syndicated Columnist, 1981 article     F He's clearly talking about the need for home defense. He says that theE  psychology for that must be reversed. Yet (see below) he claims that ? he needs to defend his home! He says we need to reverse his own B psychology!!! How is this not hypocrisy? First he says that peopleF shouldn't feel that they need to defend their homes themselves. Yet heD then claims that he needs to defend his home. Am I missing something here?     N > > " ... as long as authorities leave this society awash in drugs and guns, I > > will protect my family."G > > -- Carl Rowan, 1988 article titled "At Least They're Not Writing My 
 > > Obituary"  > >  > > I > > See http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/leaflets/rowan.html for what I . > > consider an objective history of incident. > 8 > Remind me never to seek an objective opinion from you. > 4 > The quotes from Rowan above make two things clear: > K > 1.  He does indeed believe that no private citizens (*including* himself) J > should be allowed to own handguns (though we still haven't heard whether" > John believes anything similar). > E > 2.  He believes that *until* such serious efforts to reduce the gun 8 > population are made owning one himself may be prudent.    F That's not what he said. Efforts are not always successful. He said asD long as "authorities leave this society awash in drugs and guns...".9 That's not the same as efforts. What if the efforts fail?     I > Two mutually-consistent beliefs without a hint of hypocrisy, but that's K > perhaps a bit too complicated for knuckle-draggers to fathom - especially 9 > when they're righteously outraged by the first of them.  >  > - bill      Let's see, how would this work?   F He is in favor of removing guns from private citizens. OK. Assume suchE a law is passed. Now, the criminals still have their guns and it will F take a while to reduce the gun population, so it will still be prudentD for him to own a gun!!! But then he's breaking the law and should go
 to jail!!!  D And that's the problem with your argument. It is not the lack of gun? control that makes it prudent to own a gun; it is the continued E existence of criminals with guns that makes it prudent. And passing a E law won't fix that overnight. And what if the gun control law doesn't E bring about huge reductions in crime even after considerable time has  passed?   " Where is the "mutual consistency"?  B I can see a case where a rich person thinks the tax code should be@ more progressive, yet thinks it foolish not to take advantage of4 current rates. But I don't think that applies here.`     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman gfigroup com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 03:20:32 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>D Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATAA Message-ID: <4_8U8.81586$Ca2.4755216@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   ; "Alan E. Feldman" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:b096a4ee.0207011838.3539685d@posting.google.com... 7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message > news:<ZucT8.456694$%y.32219108@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...C > > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com> wrote in message > > > news:CN4T8.300$uT4.166@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...   ...    > > > following quoted from:E > > > http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/quotes/repeal.html  > > > J > > > "We must reverse this psychology (of needing guns for home defense). WE > >  canK > > > do it by passing a law that says anyone found in possession a handgun  > >  except ; > > > a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail-period!"  > > > E > > > -- Carl Rowan, Washington DC Syndicated Columnist, 1981 article  >  > H > He's clearly talking about the need for home defense. He says that theG >  psychology for that must be reversed. Yet (see below) he claims that A > he needs to defend his home! He says we need to reverse his own D > psychology!!! How is this not hypocrisy? First he says that peopleH > shouldn't feel that they need to defend their homes themselves. Yet heF > then claims that he needs to defend his home. Am I missing something > here?   K Yes.  And since it's been called to your attention already, either you're a : bit slow or not really making the effort to understand it.  K He advocates a change that (he believes) would eliminate the perceived need H to defend one's home with a gun.  *In the absence of that change* (i.e.,D under current conditions), he clearly himself does feel such a need.J There's no contradiction (because they're two different situations), hence
 no hypocrisy.    >  > H > > > " ... as long as authorities leave this society awash in drugs and guns, I  > > > will protect my family."I > > > -- Carl Rowan, 1988 article titled "At Least They're Not Writing My  > > > Obituary"  > > >  > > > K > > > See http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/leaflets/rowan.html for what I 0 > > > consider an objective history of incident. > > : > > Remind me never to seek an objective opinion from you. > > 6 > > The quotes from Rowan above make two things clear: > > D > > 1.  He does indeed believe that no private citizens (*including* himself)L > > should be allowed to own handguns (though we still haven't heard whether$ > > John believes anything similar). > > G > > 2.  He believes that *until* such serious efforts to reduce the gun : > > population are made owning one himself may be prudent. >  > = > That's not what he said. Efforts are not always successful.   J Actually, it is exactly what he said:  he specified the effort to be made,J and posited that it would succeed (though of course that latter assumption is subject to debate).    He said as F > long as "authorities leave this society awash in drugs and guns...".; > That's not the same as efforts. What if the efforts fail?   J He clearly *assumes* (by his statement "we can do it") that if the effortsH he describes are made they will succeed.  While one might (or might not:F the issue is clearly debatable) suggest that this assumption makes him+ naive, it does *not* make him hypocritical.    >  > K > > Two mutually-consistent beliefs without a hint of hypocrisy, but that's B > > perhaps a bit too complicated for knuckle-draggers to fathom -
 especially; > > when they're righteously outraged by the first of them.  > > 
 > > - bill >  > ! > Let's see, how would this work?  > H > He is in favor of removing guns from private citizens. OK. Assume suchG > a law is passed. Now, the criminals still have their guns and it will H > take a while to reduce the gun population, so it will still be prudent > for him to own a gun!!!   H What Rowan said was that a law should be passed to reverse the perceivedL need to own guns for home defense by making ownership of handguns by privateJ citizens illegal.  Nothing more, nothing less.  *You* may think it's naiveJ of him to believe that the danger would go away if such a law were passed,D but (as I observed above) being naive is not the same thing as being
 hypocritical.   L Now, *if* such a law were passed and he neither admitted that it was not theJ solution he had hoped for (and therefore urged its repeal) nor gave up his4 own handgun, *then* he would indeed be hypocritical.  -  But then he's breaking the law and should go  > to jail!!! > F > And that's the problem with your argument. It is not the lack of gunA > control that makes it prudent to own a gun; it is the continued 9 > existence of criminals with guns that makes it prudent.   E That's in no way a problem with my argument, because my argument only H addressed the issue of whether Mr. Rowan was being hypocritical.  It is,F however, a legitimate question to raise about the credibility of *his*	 argument.     And passing aG > law won't fix that overnight. And what if the gun control law doesn't G > bring about huge reductions in crime even after considerable time has 	 > passed?  > $ > Where is the "mutual consistency"?  L I believe I've explained it adequately above for anyone with any interest inI understanding it rather than simply continuing their knee-jerk reactions.    > D > I can see a case where a rich person thinks the tax code should beB > more progressive, yet thinks it foolish not to take advantage of6 > current rates. But I don't think that applies here.`  G Why not?  It's an even better analogy than one I considered presenting.    - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:41:01 GMT & From: Jeffrey Chimene <jec@nospam.net>6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall2 Message-ID: <87znxak72z.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    > Nick Maclaren wrote:E > > John Malmberg is correct.  Any X client (i.e. X application) with / > > access to your X Terminal can do anything.   > K > But the remote X client does have access to the file system of the system P > displaying the window ?  When I do a FILE OPEN in the application, it gives me- > file system of the remote X client, right ?  > M > Does the remote X client have the ability to somehow execute commands on my 2 > system ? (eg: DELETE $DISK1:[000000...]*.*;* ) ?F As Nick (and others) have mentioned: yes. An idle xterm is the Devil'sK plaything. X allows me to remap the server's keyboard. I define your return H key to "<ret>delete/noconfirm *.*;*<ret>" Basically, deny access to yourF computer to remote hosts. Lock down rexec and rsh by denying anonymousD access. Pay attention to the VMS security policy, and make sure thatC various system files are protected appropriately. For all that, I'd D rather run X on VMS than MS-Windows, since VMS was designed from the% ground up to be a secure environment.   > X is very cool, but it is a power so great that it can only be? used for good or evil. If you're using X in a hostile computing + environment, you can never be too paranoid.    --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 13:53:00 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207011253.6cf444c9@posting.google.com>   t "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<lr0U8.502574$%y.34192866@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...% > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" @ > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message, > news:afpluv$jni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > >  > >  > > Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > >  > > > Hallo, > > > C > > > Andrew did wrote a lot of number, but did not write, where we A > > > can find this number to check the conditions. Anybody could B > > > write a lot os arguments. But I would like to see verifyableB > > > statements. We do have an AlphaStation ES40 with four 600MHz@ > > > EV6 CPUs and 16GB memory and a SunFire 880 with the 900MHzA > > > UltraSparc III. Now I can compare performance/price. Sorry, A > > > but we do not have an application running on both. The only C > > > one I could test is I/O. There was a small difference between C > > > both. Alpha a little bit faster (under OpenVMS!!!!). Also the G > > > boot sequence was much faster (I know this is meaningless because E > > > OpenVMS have to be booted only once). But the big difference is = > > > the price. We did pay the double value for the SunFire.  > > >  > >  > > @ > > Humm, the list price of an 8 CPU V880 is ~100,000 with 16 GB< > > the list price of a 4 CPU 667 Mhz 16 GB ES40 is ~180,000 > > both dollars.  > > ? > > I would be interested in what you used to benchmark the I/O > > > performance of the two systems and what kind of disks they > > both have. > M > I would be interested in where you found such a ridiculously overstated (by + > a factor of perhaps 3) price for an ES40.  >  > - bill  : the same place he finds the overstated performance numbers- for sparky ... he pulls them out of a hat ...    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:07:05 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> 0 Subject: RE: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...T Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C5D0@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  G If I use the ActiveAnswers page and configure an ES-40, with  4 667 MHz K CPUs, 16 GB of memory, and 100 GB of disk using RAID it comes to be $201,00 L US dollars.  The base unit is $63k, the additional CPUs are a total of $33k,F and the additional memory is $86k.  The remaining cost is for the disk drives, controller, etc.   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**      > -----Original Message-----8 > From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]% > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:53 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... >  > 8 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message @ > news:<lr0U8.502574$%y.34192866@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...' > > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" B > > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message. > > news:afpluv$jni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > > >  > > >  > > > Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > > >  > > > > Hallo, > > > > E > > > > Andrew did wrote a lot of number, but did not write, where we C > > > > can find this number to check the conditions. Anybody could2D > > > > write a lot os arguments. But I would like to see verifyableD > > > > statements. We do have an AlphaStation ES40 with four 600MHzB > > > > EV6 CPUs and 16GB memory and a SunFire 880 with the 900MHzC > > > > UltraSparc III. Now I can compare performance/price. Sorry,wC > > > > but we do not have an application running on both. The only E > > > > one I could test is I/O. There was a small difference between E > > > > both. Alpha a little bit faster (under OpenVMS!!!!). Also then6 > > > > boot sequence was much faster (I know this is  > meaningless becausenG > > > > OpenVMS have to be booted only once). But the big difference is ? > > > > the price. We did pay the double value for the SunFire.o > > > >i > > >  > > >lB > > > Humm, the list price of an 8 CPU V880 is ~100,000 with 16 GB> > > > the list price of a 4 CPU 667 Mhz 16 GB ES40 is ~180,000 > > > both dollars.h > > > A > > > I would be interested in what you used to benchmark the I/Os@ > > > performance of the two systems and what kind of disks they > > > both have. > > 4 > > I would be interested in where you found such a  > ridiculously overstated (bye- > > a factor of perhaps 3) price for an ES40.1 > > 
 > > - bill > < > the same place he finds the overstated performance numbers/ > for sparky ... he pulls them out of a hat ...  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:38:27 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>0 Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...A Message-ID: <nZ3U8.78540$Ca2.4485269@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>u  : "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageL news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C5D0@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us. ..I > If I use the ActiveAnswers page and configure an ES-40, with  4 667 MHz E > CPUs, 16 GB of memory, and 100 GB of disk using RAID it comes to be8 $201,00pH > US dollars.  The base unit is $63k, the additional CPUs are a total of $33k, H > and the additional memory is $86k.  The remaining cost is for the disk > drives, controller, etc.  H Holy shit!  Then I withdraw my criticism (Andrew did, after all, specifyE 'list' prices).  I had just done a quick Google search and found ES40 L additional memory running about $1500/GB (rather than what looks to be closeE to $6000/GB above - though I admit that I was using the 4GB incrementnJ prices:  16 GB may well require denser, more expensive memory, but 4x???),C additional processors a few $K apiece, and the base unit for aroundn $20-someK IIRC.h  J cHumPaq may have ActiveAnswers, but its distributors obviously have Better
 Answers...   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 03:14:07 GMTd( From: "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com>0 Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...+ Message-ID: <3D2119E7.6060204@epsilon3.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:lv > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<lr0U8.502574$%y.34192866@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > % >>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"S@ >><andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message, >>news:afpluv$jni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >> >>>g >>>Rudolf Wingert wrote: >>>t >>> 
 >>>>Hallo, >>>>A >>>>Andrew did wrote a lot of number, but did not write, where wew? >>>>can find this number to check the conditions. Anybody coulde@ >>>>write a lot os arguments. But I would like to see verifyable@ >>>>statements. We do have an AlphaStation ES40 with four 600MHz> >>>>EV6 CPUs and 16GB memory and a SunFire 880 with the 900MHz? >>>>UltraSparc III. Now I can compare performance/price. Sorry,a? >>>>but we do not have an application running on both. The onlyNA >>>>one I could test is I/O. There was a small difference betweentA >>>>both. Alpha a little bit faster (under OpenVMS!!!!). Also the E >>>>boot sequence was much faster (I know this is meaningless becauseiC >>>>OpenVMS have to be booted only once). But the big difference isg; >>>>the price. We did pay the double value for the SunFire.t >>>> >>>l >>>*? >>>Humm, the list price of an 8 CPU V880 is ~100,000 with 16 GBh; >>>the list price of a 4 CPU 667 Mhz 16 GB ES40 is ~180,000  >>>both dollars. >>>*> >>>I would be interested in what you used to benchmark the I/O= >>>performance of the two systems and what kind of disks theye
 >>>both have.a >>M >>I would be interested in where you found such a ridiculously overstated (by + >>a factor of perhaps 3) price for an ES40.s >> >>- bill >  > < > the same place he finds the overstated performance numbers/ > for sparky ... he pulls them out of a hat ...   & Funny, that's not where I wear my hat.   -- e
 Jay E. Morrish System Software Specialist% Epidemiological Surveillance Divisionl Brooks AFB, TXI He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool z+ you. He really is an idiot. -- Groucho Marxh   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:19:43 GMTe9 From: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (Rick Millhollin)n" Subject: CSWS/Apache Vulnerability/ Message-ID: <3d20d50a.1810593@news.uoregon.edu>p  E A security vulnerablilty that effects Apache up to V1.3.24 and thus Ii+ think potentialy CSWS V1.0 is described at: @      http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020617.txtD Apparently it is fixed in V1.3.26.  Anybody know if this does effectE CSWS and if a fix is available or in the works?  The released updatesm$ don't seem to address it.  Thanks...    1 Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilitiesn@ University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-12120 Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 4397C E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove anti-spam digits)d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 00:46:11 +0200, From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>& Subject: Re: CSWS/Apache Vulnerability& Message-ID: <3D20DBB3.8070607@home.nl>   Rick Millhollin wrote:G > A security vulnerablilty that effects Apache up to V1.3.24 and thus I - > think potentialy CSWS V1.0 is described at:eB >      http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020617.txtF > Apparently it is fixed in V1.3.26.  Anybody know if this does effectG > CSWS and if a fix is available or in the works?  The released updatese& > don't seem to address it.  Thanks... >  > 3 > Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing FacilitieslB > University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-12122 > Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 4397E > E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove anti-spam digits)   < Yes it does affect VMS. There is a patch om the VMS website:  K http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_patches.htmlf   Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 01:25:17 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l Subject: Re: DDL Files& Message-ID: <3D210517.34BC3E2@fsi.net>   Vivek Soni wrote:e > 
 > Hi Michael,  > H > Data Description Language(DDL) files are used for creating C files and > header files.s > M > This method was used in many years back to create .h and .c files, it seemst > it is not in use.n > = > These are text files. Does any body have more info on this.f  F Well, I've never seen them used for generating C code, though I'm sure it would be quite possible.r  E AFAIK, they are assocaited with the Common Data Dictionary - CCD, nowsG frequently referred to as "CDD Repository". Originally, part of the VAXp? Information Architecture along with Datatrieve and other stuff.   F ...and yes, I have a CDD Repository horror story from my experieces in" the field, as many have, I'm sure.   -- n David J. Dachteraw dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:44:06 GMT,L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"). Subject: Re: Delay in publication of VMS books8 Message-ID: <00A1049E.98B6C745@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  G In article <3D1F7DBD.5040304@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:c >e  M >Perhaps you can write a addendum when a CSWS version based on Apache 2.x is  K >released ? (if there are important changes of course). A pdf file would bei >nice.  K Apparently Apache 2.x is reorganized so that platform-specific code goes in M a few well-defined places, and much more of the code is platform-independent. N (My impression is that 2.x is over a year away from broad adoption, since the O 1.2.x modules don't automatically work on it, and most people are using those. fL A lot of modules need to be ported before it becomes attractive to move from a working 1.2.x installation.)  L Anyway, it's possible that a generalized Apache book that covers 2.x will beK of more use a VMS person running a CSWS that covers 2.x than a generalized .O or Unix-specific Apache book that covers 1.2.x is to a person running CSWS 1.2.s  O I'd be happy to do a second edition in a couple of years, but for Digital Press I to be interested we probably have to get good sales of the first edition.b >bR >That's ok ! I'm very happy you took the trouble writing the book, and I hope you P >will sell a lot of copies. That would show the interest in e-bussiness on VMS .  J That's my interest as well.  (In some ways, the book is _my_ VMS Marketing volunteer effort.)   -- Alanr >t  O ===============================================================================w0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056nM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210tO ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 18:17:54 -0600u- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)g. Subject: Re: Delay in publication of VMS books3 Message-ID: <gUlahqmGgg4N@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <00A1049E.98B6C745@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:o  S >>That's ok ! I'm very happy you took the trouble writing the book, and I hope you tQ >>will sell a lot of copies. That would show the interest in e-bussiness on VMS .  > L > That's my interest as well.  (In some ways, the book is _my_ VMS Marketing > volunteer effort.)  F Bravo !  I will probably buy a copy, even though I have no aspirations to run a web server.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:23:29 -0400, From: "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com>. Subject: Re: Delay in publication of VMS books, Message-ID: <afqrrk01b5m@enews1.newsguy.com>  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote in messageK > I'd be happy to do a second edition in a couple of years, but for Digitalh PressnK > to be interested we probably have to get good sales of the first edition.  >c  K Maybe if folks around here stopped bugging you about it you could find timec to finish the first edition. :-)a   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 03:52:47 GMTd+ From: "Joe Heimann" <heimann@ecs.umass.edu>eI Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC , Message-ID: <afr82f$b2l$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  * Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:b > In article <afiffl$2sl2$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:	 (snipped)e >> sG >> I once stripped a big CDC drive (It was way to heavy to throw in the F >> dumpster in one piece.)  I expect the magnet that stuck to the sideF >> of the dumpster when I threw it in will never be able to be removedD >> again.   I know it was still there more than a month later.  The J >> dumpster was then relocated and I don't know where it might be now. :-) >>    K > And boy, were those drives _heavy_. I once witnessed a couple being takenuL > up to the first floor the hard way (lift/elevator too small, certainly notO > pwerful enough) by a couple of removal men, using straps over their shouldersiO > to lift the things. Those guys were built like gorillas and still cursed muchh > and often. > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandy  E Those were still on the light weight side.  My ex-boss, just retired, G used to be CDC field service in the days when the disks were 3' plus ineF diameter.  It took chain falls and winches to lift drive components toG do repairs, or take apart the disk assembly to replace a platter.  ThatsG and when done wipe everything down to remove the hydraulic oil from oiloF leaks in the actuators.  Used to have a picture of a surplused platter1 that had been turned into a table around as well.r   Joe Heimannn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:04:38 -0400r2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...IJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0107021904380001@1cust32.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  H In article <no%T8.501811$%y.34150805@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill% Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:r    9 >> >This all seems reasonable, except the last point. Not'8 >> >that I am actually disagreeing with it, but IMHO VMS5 >> >portability to another platform is a red-herring.@ >> >   ...>  G >> "Portable" and "will be ported" are different concepts.  There is nom5 >> question VMS will be more portable than it is now._ >pK >Since that's *precisely* part of what Andrew just said above, I'm not suresL >what you think it added to the discussion - especially as it's phrased less8 >like a 'me, too' comment than as some kind of rebuttal.  H I think I specifically didn't care for the phrase "red-herring".   To meB it implies irrelevant or inapplicable.  Andrew replied to a mostlyC technical statement with a bit of non-technical FUD, and called thefI technical statement a red-herring.  I guess that's pretty consistent withz2 Andrew's ingrained need to FUD anything about VMS.  E And your reply is fairly consistent with your habit of supporting VMS.H FUD.  If my post added little to the discussion, I guess your post added, even less.  But thank you for your comments.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:44:52 GMTo* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...fB Message-ID: <UP5U8.492798$Gs.34433632@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message8D news:rdeininger-0107021904380001@1cust32.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...J > In article <no%T8.501811$%y.34150805@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill' > Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:f >a > ; > >> >This all seems reasonable, except the last point. Not.: > >> >that I am actually disagreeing with it, but IMHO VMS7 > >> >portability to another platform is a red-herring.f > >> > >  > ...  >iI > >> "Portable" and "will be ported" are different concepts.  There is noy7 > >> question VMS will be more portable than it is now.- > >-H > >Since that's *precisely* part of what Andrew just said above, I'm not sureI > >what you think it added to the discussion - especially as it's phrased- less: > >like a 'me, too' comment than as some kind of rebuttal. >.J > I think I specifically didn't care for the phrase "red-herring".   To me( > it implies irrelevant or inapplicable.  C It does to me as well - and it's at least *one* entirely reasonableiI expectation of the future (i.e., that if killing Alpha doesn't succeed in I killing VMS anyway, then the death of the planned replacement platform isd@ very likely to, making VMS's portability to yet another platform irrelevant).  K If you feel that this is not a definite possibility (i.e., if you feel that.E VMS is beyond any shadow of a doubt more than sufficiently healthy tooL survive both the Alphacide and the subsequent demise of Itanic), then *that*D is what you should have addressed (preferably with some kind of real& supporting evidence) in your response.     Andrew replied to a mostly6 > technical statement with a bit of non-technical FUD,  I And it would be equally correct to say that your characterizing it as FUD L (in the commonly-accepted sense of a statement casting *inappropriate* doubtE on something) is pure bullshit, unless your glasses are so thoroughly F rose-colored that you believe VMS can easily survive the demise of anyH number of underlying hardware platforms without adverse consequences (inL which case it's merely incompetence on your part).  Again, responding to theL particular points you may disagree with promotes discussion; disparaging the" post by calling it names does not.  J Incidentally, since Andrew indicated that he *agreed* with the rest of theL post, picking on the one point he did not agree with is hardly unreasonable.L If you felt it was a point not worthy of discussion, then you had the option to keep your mouth shut.    and called thenK > technical statement a red-herring.  I guess that's pretty consistent withi4 > Andrew's ingrained need to FUD anything about VMS.  H Compared with the need many posters here feel to talk up VMS's health noC matter how black the future may look, Andrew is amazingly objective , considering that he represents a competitor.   >lG > And your reply is fairly consistent with your habit of supporting VMS J > FUD.  If my post added little to the discussion, I guess your post added. > even less.  But thank you for your comments.  K You're welcome.  Count on them continuing should you get out of line again.e   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 15:38:11 -0700h$ From: sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com (Chuck) Subject: Java file names= Message-ID: <55c497a4.0207011438.4a7615ee@posting.google.com>e  C Quick question about java on openVMS.  I'm trying to pass in a file.B name on the command line.  The problem is that it's converted to aB Unix style path, which then fails when trying to open the file.  IE need to keep the unix paths included (I can't just remove it from theBF java$setup.com) for other jar's and zip's to work.  Is there a fix for= this? (aside from writing special code to do the conversion).        $ OpenVMS V7.3 $ java -versiond java version "1.3.0"0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionA Classic VM (build 1.3.0-1, 04/12/2001-12:42, native threads, jit)i   sample code$   public class hello {i*     public static void main(String[] args)     {s2         System.out.println("Filename " + args[0]);      } }i   $ show log bblingI/   "BBLING" = "AD35:[DD.GA2]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)4  $ java "hello" "bbling:test.err" Filename /bbling/test.errt   Chuck  sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:11:13 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> Subject: Re: Java file names4 Message-ID: <20020702051113.B23293@eisenschmidt.org>  ` Have you already looked at things like the built in line separator function in the System class?  & System.getProperty("line.separator"));   Have you tried the 1.3.1 JVM? There is an option in java$setup to deal with both Unix style and VMS style paths. I'm not 100% clear on the question (other than it doesn't work) so I can't say for sure.    In the end, if you want to take advantage of the cross-platform stuff Java has to offer, use the functions for line separator and the like to insure it will run on Windows, Unix, and VMS.e  E Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Chuck (sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com) Wrote:uE > Quick question about java on openVMS.  I'm trying to pass in a file>D > name on the command line.  The problem is that it's converted to aD > Unix style path, which then fails when trying to open the file.  IG > need to keep the unix paths included (I can't just remove it from themH > java$setup.com) for other jar's and zip's to work.  Is there a fix for? > this? (aside from writing special code to do the conversion).  >  >  >  > $ OpenVMS V7.3 > $ java -version> > java version "1.3.0"2 > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionC > Classic VM (build 1.3.0-1, 04/12/2001-12:42, native threads, jit)  > 
 > sample code  >  > public class hello > { , >     public static void main(String[] args) >     {n4 >         System.out.println("Filename " + args[0]); >      } > }  >  > $ show log bblingr1 >   "BBLING" = "AD35:[DD.GA2]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) " > $ java "hello" "bbling:test.err" > Filename /bbling/test.err0 >  > ChuckG > sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com   -- 6/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> 6  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenM  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.asc>D  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  M  This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.html    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:18:58 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> Subject: Re: Java file names4 Message-ID: <20020702051858.C23293@eisenschmidt.org>  @ This is called: don't respond to a post when you're half asleep.   Let's try this again.n  p (1) Have you tried the 1.3.1 JVM? There is a setting to handle BOTH Unix and VMS style paths. (That part was ok)   (2) If you want to take advantage of the cross platform nature of Java, then your best bet is to use the features of the language meant to handle these sorts of problems.  ; http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/api/java/lang/System.html   ! Among the properties you can get:n    os.name  Operating system name  ( os.arch  Operating system architecture  & os.version  Operating system version  . file.separator  File separator ("/" on UNIX)  . path.separator  Path separator (":" on UNIX)  - line.separator  Line separator ("\n" on UNIX)t   So I guess the answer is: if the setting in the JRE don't take care of it for you, then you should probably write some code to handle it. Luckily, it is code that will probably come in handy later.a   Best,1 John  S Unless the Voices are Mistaken, John Eisenschmidt (jweisen@EISENSCHMIDT.ORG) Wrote:ab > Have you already looked at things like the built in line separator function in the System class? > ( > System.getProperty("line.separator")); >  > Have you tried the 1.3.1 JVM? There is an option in java$setup to deal with both Unix style and VMS style paths. I'm not 100% clear on the question (other than it doesn't work) so I can't say for sure.  >  > In the end, if you want to take advantage of the cross-platform stuff Java has to offer, use the functions for line separator and the like to insure it will run on Windows, Unix, and VMS.  > G > Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Chuck (sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com) Wrote: G > > Quick question about java on openVMS.  I'm trying to pass in a file0F > > name on the command line.  The problem is that it's converted to aF > > Unix style path, which then fails when trying to open the file.  II > > need to keep the unix paths included (I can't just remove it from theaJ > > java$setup.com) for other jar's and zip's to work.  Is there a fix forA > > this? (aside from writing special code to do the conversion).a > >  > >  > >  > > $ OpenVMS V7.3 > > $ java -version- > > java version "1.3.0"4 > > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionE > > Classic VM (build 1.3.0-1, 04/12/2001-12:42, native threads, jit)  > >  > > sample code  > >  > > public class hello > > {c. > >     public static void main(String[] args)	 > >     {n6 > >         System.out.println("Filename " + args[0]);
 > >      } > > }l > >  > > $ show log bblingo3 > >   "BBLING" = "AD35:[DD.GA2]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)t$ > > $ java "hello" "bbling:test.err" > > Filename /bbling/test.erro > > 	 > > Chuck  > > sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com >  > -- r1 > John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>t8 >  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenO >  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.ascyF >  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2 > O >  This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.html/   --  / John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> 6  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenM  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.asc D  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  M  This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:56:35 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: KZTSA and AIT1iJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0107021856350001@1cust32.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  E In article <howard-BBFEA4.07433101072002@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard St Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:n   >In article A ><rdeininger-0107020730260001@1cust180.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,'5 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:h >.H >> The KZTSA is a fast, wide, high-voltage differential SCSI controller. >rI >Oh.  Well, that's the end of my quest, then.  The device is a fast/wide zF >single-ended type SCSI device.  It's okay, I just figured to use the 4 >Alpha for testing.  Guess that won't happen. <grin>  I So you need a DWZZB or equivalent, plus appropriate cabling.  If you have'E a storageworks shelf, you can likely find a DWZZB at ebay for cheap.  2 Actually, you can probably find a shelf for cheap.  ; If you decide to unload the KZTSA, I could use another one.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:19:09 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>- Subject: Re: KZTSA and AIT1m< Message-ID: <howard-BF1B4B.22190901072002@enews.newsguy.com>   In article  ? <rdeininger-0107021856350001@1cust32.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,=4  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:  > > So you need a DWZZB or equivalent, plus appropriate cabling.   This is a TurboChannel card?  F Yeah, I can get shelves, for zero, actually.  Work gets rid of them.  C I've got several such power supplies and personality modules in my =D trunk.  We tossed the shelves they came out of.  I couldn't imagine 
 needing them.u   -- 1# "Run in circles, scream and shout!"o I hope you have good backups!c) Are there any more networked SJFs around?e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:44:13 -0700, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>4 Subject: Linking shareable with SYMBOL_VECTOR (long)4 Message-ID: <afq7tv$gnpe0$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  
 Greetings,  < I had asked some questions regarding shareable image vectors: and how to ensure they stay stable when adding or removing= functions.  I got some good advice, and decided to understand_? this once and for all.  The key to it all is that in the vectorb> the entry points are simply a list of offsets.  You can always> add to the end because that doesn't change any of the existing@ offsets, but mess about in the middle at your peril.  I did some> experiments and present them here.  Kind of long but I thought" entertaining.  This is what I did.  : First made a shareable image with three entry points.  The& option file looks like (all.opt) this:   case_sensitive=YES SYMBOL_VECTOR=( -u func1=PROCEDURE, - func2=PROCEDURE, - func3=PROCEDURE  - )g  & Each function was like this (func2.c):   #include stdio void func2() {    printf("Hi, I'm func2\n");l }i  $ Built the shareable image like this:  # $ cc/names=as_is  func1,func2,func3 3 $ link/share=func.exe func1,func2,func3,all.opt/opt   8 Now made a test function that looked like this (test.c):  
 void func2();t void main()M { 
   func2(); }D   And built it like this:s  ! $ define func sys$disk:[]func.exee $ cc/names=as_is testt $ link test,sys$input/opt.
 func/share   When run, it does this:i  
 $ run test
 Hi, I'm func2p  @ Now for some fun,  First I simply relinked func.exe, same files,) no change to commands.  But look at this:)  
 $ run test, %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image FUNC= -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file $7$DKA105:[DEVUSER3.][]FUNC.EXE;10a: -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image  = That was educational!  Seems linker will generate a major andt9 minor ident based on bits from the time and set the match > control to ISD$K_MATEQU meaning test.exe needs to have exactlyB the same major/minor ident as func.exe but in this case it doesn't? hence the error.  Looks like I need to take control of gsmatch.i  ? I added this line to all.opt and relinked func.exe and test.exel   GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,0  = Please note that test.exe is never touched from here on, only 4 the shareable func.exe is rebuilt in different ways.  ? Now to simulate my (real) problem.  I had inadvertently removedi< a function without leaving a placeholder.  So all.opt looked something like:r   GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,0 case_sensitive=YES GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,0 SYMBOL_VECTOR=( -n func1=PROCEDURE, - func3=PROCEDURE  - )l   I rebuild func.exe  
 $ run test
 Hi, I'm func3h  ? This makes sense, test.exe was linked when it's call was mappedaB to the second function in the table.  Now when it's run the secondA entry is func3, so it goes ahead and calls it.  This is obviouslysA a very bad situation, you can't have your system making calls youtE don't expect.  When making such an incompatible change in the vector,nC I should have bumped the major ident, say to 2.  Then when test.exei) is run it will get the SHRIDMISMAT error.s  D How about if the vector is shortened to the point where your desired= entry point is "off the end".  In this case VMS saves you.  IS# rebuilt func.exe with this all.opt.    case_sensitive=YES GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,0 SYMBOL_VECTOR=( -e func1=PROCEDURE -e )c   Now.  
 $ run testC %IMGACT-F-SYMVECMIS, shareable image's symbol vector table mismatcht3 -IMGACT-F-FIXUPERR, error when TEST referenced FUNC,  D So, how can we obsolete a function and keep the other calls working.C There are three options, using the SPARE keyword, using PRIVATE, orr? providing a placeholder function.  Back to the original all.optd< (three entry points) I replaced func2 with SPARE, like this:   case_sensitive=YES GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,0 SYMBOL_VECTOR=( -o func1=PROCEDURE, - SPARE, - func3=PROCEDURE  - )   ( Now, try our test programs (calls func2)  
 $ run test; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualr address=000000000000& 0000, PC=0000000000000000, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsIJ   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC>                                             0 0000000000000000 0000000000000000>  TEST  TEST  main                           4 00000000000000C8 00000000000200C8>  TEST  TEST  __main                         0 0000000000000070 0000000000020070>                                             0 FFFFFFFF90EAD3F4 FFFFFFFF90EAD3F4  A Maybe not the best way to let the program know that func2 doesn't4 exist anymore.  ? How about letting existing programs that use func2 keep workingf= but not allow new programs to call it.  This uses the PRIVATEt( keyword in the options file.  Like this:   case_sensitive=YES GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,0 SYMBOL_VECTOR=( -r func1=PROCEDURE, - func2=PRIVATE, - func3=PROCEDURE  - )   9 Rebuilding func.exe with this and now run test.  It does:   
 $ run test
 Hi, I'm func2p  A Try to link a new test.exe that calls func2 against the shareableh results in:t   $ link test,sys$input/opt 
 func/share% %LINK-W-NUDFSYMS, 1 undefined symbol:a %LINK-I-UDFSYM,         func2l3 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol func2 referenced.)         in psect $LINK$ offset %X00000020f4         in module TEST file DEV$USER:[xxx]TEST.OBJ;1  = Probably will result in an irritated phone call that the linke> which worked fine yesterday doesn't now and fix it right away.< But at least the message gets out to stop using the obsolete/ routine without breaking current working stuff.o  > How about making a placeholder routine that generates a useful" error message.  Like this error.c:   #include stdio void error() {:    printf("Sorry, this function not supported anymore\n");  }   Then change all.opt to be like:t   case_sensitive=YES GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,0 SYMBOL_VECTOR=( -t func1=PROCEDURE, - error=PROCEDURE, - func3=PROCEDURE  - )l   Rebuilding func.exe like:p  3 $ link/share=func.exe func1,error,func3,all.opt/optt   Nowt  
 $ run test* Sorry, this function not supported anymore  : Obviously, this error could be better, and probably should; cease execution of the image since it needed something thate wasn't there anymore.t  B Well, that about covers it for now.  Hope I've helped someone out.   Jiml   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:42:56 -0400* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>8 Subject: Re: Linking shareable with SYMBOL_VECTOR (long)- Message-ID: <3D207880.28787.4AA871@localhost>t  . On 1 Jul 2002, at 11:44, James Gessling wrote:> > I had asked some questions regarding shareable image vectors< > and how to ensure they stay stable when adding or removing? > functions.  I got some good advice, and decided to understande > this once and for all.    F Thanks.  You've made a valuable contribution.  Perhaps this should go  into the FAQ, Hoff?m    
 --Stan Quaylec! President, Quayle Consulting Inc.   
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671a1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147o= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.come   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 13:44:40 -0600 + From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)p1 Subject: Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloadsn3 Message-ID: <yh2D+YEFXD95@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  B Thanks!  That worked like a charm!  Maybe next time I should RTFRN (read the fine release notes).  [ In article <8JS1MROKocq5@rabbit>, sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:- > Hi Marty,  > % > Use this link (wraparound warning):s > : > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/" > cswb_relnotes.html#downloaderror > J > which documents the problem and a solution.  The solution worked for me. > c > In article <D5H7pdFrDN99@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:hC >> I'm getting some odd behavior with Mozilla 1.0 (CSWB V1.0) when (B >> clicking on some links.  For example, if I click on a link likeB >> http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_4.zip the 3 >> program opens a pop-up box with the following...3 >> a= >> You have chosen to download a file of type: "#1" [#2] frome >> t$ >> What should #1 do with this file? >> 0 >> o Open using #1 >> o Save this file to diskc >>  A >> I click on "Save this file" and the dialog box goes away, and )B >> it initially seems like nothing happened.  If I check my login C >> directory, though, I'll find that the file _is_ being downloadedT% >> but it is given a random filename." >> eA >> I probably have something misconfigured, but I'm not sure what-5 >> or how to fix it.  Any hints would be appreciated.3 > --   > Bradford J. Hamilton( > braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)( > sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work) > = > "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"e > "Lose the MAPS"s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:16:53 GMTt. From: Jack Fortune <jack_fortune@towergrp.com>2 Subject: OpenVMS comes to Itanium Tour information- Message-ID: <1103_1025547413@news.cis.dfn.de>e  ` I've lost the link to information about the schedule of cities for the OpenVMS comes to Itanium @ Tour . This was (I believe) somewhere on a Compaq or HP website.  + Can anyone point me in the right direction?u   Jack Fortune   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:35:05 -0500$ From: "Art Beane" <beane@petris.com>6 Subject: RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium Tour information7 Message-ID: <004a01c2212e$04e25830$352810ac@petris.com>'  6 https://www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour/default.cfm   -----Original Message-----6 From: Jack Fortune [mailto:jack_fortune@towergrp.com] # Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 1:17 PMo To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw2 Subject: OpenVMS comes to Itanium Tour information      F I've lost the link to information about the schedule of cities for the OpenVMS comes to Itanium "@ Tour . This was (I believe) somewhere on a Compaq or HP website.  + Can anyone point me in the right direction?    Jack Fortune   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:53:55 -0400d2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMSJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0107021853550001@1cust32.tnt3.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  8 In article <3D2088AF.2DCC8B53@caltech.edu>, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:y    : >Have a look at the cards Xi supports on Linux or the many< >OpenGL cards supported on Windows. We've been experimenting: >with a Radeon 8500 using the Xi driver on Linux and it is8 >_incredibly_ fast and the whole system was about $1600.  = I believe VMS support for the Radeon 8500 is in the pipeline.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 12:45:30 -0700-  From: arice@rpminc.com (arice22)$ Subject: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server= Message-ID: <f41275e8.0207011145.3f59837a@posting.google.com>s  A Is there a way to partition the Hard Drive so that the storage iso divided among the blades?y   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:08:43 -040011 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>S( Subject: Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server2 Message-ID: <3D20B6CB.D8B1856B@firstdbasource.com>   arice22 wrote: > C > Is there a way to partition the Hard Drive so that the storage iss > divided among the blades?/  A And you would want to do that because??? you are going to need tor2 provide more information than that like: what OS?   ? If this is VMS the blades should be a part of a cluster -- justt+ mount the internal disk across the cluster.p   -- ( Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163t7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comf                          d+ http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmll/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:31:23 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade ServerB Message-ID: <v_2U8.503749$%y.34290722@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:3D20B6CB.D8B1856B@firstdbasource.com... > arice22 wrote: > >tE > > Is there a way to partition the Hard Drive so that the storage isr > > divided among the blades?   J No:  none of the supported OSs can do that, even if sharing a single driveC was supported at the hardware level (which IIRC it is not, at leastnI certainly not for the on-board IDE drives - some kind of SCSI arrangementi might be possible).t   >@C > And you would want to do that because??? you are going to need toy3 > provide more information than that like: what OS?  >e9 > If this is VMS the blades should be a part of a clusterw  J If this is VMS, then DaveD and others have missed a major development that* they would likely be very interested in...   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:16:19 -0500$ From: "Art Beane" <beane@petris.com>( Subject: RE: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server7 Message-ID: <006901c22144$8b489e00$352810ac@petris.com>i  E You probably don't want to even think about this. Current BL10e diskssE are 4200 rpm drives that are barely suitable for holding an operating ? system, never mind application data. They are barely capable ofl supporting external NAS.  H Better to wait for the next generation blades. More options are supposedD to become available (scsi, iscsi, fc, diskless are things I've heard (but not seen)).  ? Don't expect OpenVMS on a blade until after IPF becomes "real".e   -----Original Message-----( From: arice22 [mailto:arice@rpminc.com] # Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 2:46 PM@ To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp$ Subject: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server    A Is there a way to partition the Hard Drive so that the storage iss divided among the blades?G   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:13:27 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: RMU??5 Message-ID: <afq5jn$gbolc$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>i  = IIRC RMU is an SQL like tool to manipulate DEC/Rdb databases.tC Very powerful, especially for on-line functionality (i.e. backups).mF The RMU statistics command (and output!) should be taught to all other database vendors.2F The product (Rsb, as well as CDD) was sold to Oracle several years agoI who managed to learn not to much of it let alon implement it in their own6 Oracle product.    Hans> Tadimeti Keshav <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message: news:20020701100804.93161.qmail@web21007.mail.yahoo.com... > Hello all,2 > Can someone tell me what RMU (on OVMS) is? Is it > similar to RMS?w >  > TIAb > Keshav >b4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?- > Everything you'll ever need on one web pager/ > from News and Sport to Email and Music ChartsT > http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 11:18:25 -0700o. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: Trouble with BACKUP/RECORDy= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0207011018.61bbcdeb@posting.google.com>o  j Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove> wrote in message news:<20020627093347.0904ed26.rob@bbp.ch.remove>... > Hi Jim >  > Thanks for the reply.t > H > > I ran a quick check and had no problems on both versions of OpenVMS.B > > Does your v7.3 computer have the DEC-AXPVMS-VMS73_BACKUP-V0100. > > patch applied?  ($ PRODUCT  SHOW  HISTORY) > + > Yes, it's been applied on the 7.3 system.u > OK, here's the log (7.3):a > 1 > NABOO:$ BACKUP/RECORD/LOG *.TXT;* TEST.BCK/SAVEwC > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]ANNOUNCE_ALCOR.TXT;2tD > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]ANNOUNCE_NABOO.TXT;12 > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied9 > DSA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]DECNET_REGISTER_IMPORT_FILE_NABOO.T  > XT;1 > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied9 > DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSMGR]TCPIP$BINDSETUP_HELP.TXT;  > 1gF > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSMGR]WELCOME.TXT;1< > %BACKUP-I-STARTRECORD, starting backup date recording pass >  > NABOO:$ sh time  >   27-JUN-2002 09:28:18 > A > NABOO:$ BACKUP/NORECORD/LOG *.TXT;*/SINCE=BACKUP TEST1.BCK/SAVEdC > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]ANNOUNCE_ALCOR.TXT;22D > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]ANNOUNCE_NABOO.TXT;12 > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied9 > DSA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]DECNET_REGISTER_IMPORT_FILE_NABOO.Tn > XT;1 > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied9 > DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSMGR]TCPIP$BINDSETUP_HELP.TXT;n > 1 F > %BACKUP-S-COPIED, copied DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSMGR]WELCOME.TXT;1 > 
 > *** BUT: > @ > NABOO:$ BACKUP/NORECORD/LOG *.TXT;*/SINCE=27-JUN-2002:09:28:18 > TEST1.BCK/SAVEG > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DSA0:[SYS0.][SYSMGR]*.TXT;* + > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from ' > DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSMGR]*.TXT;*t > 2 > I still don't get it...  what am I doing wrong ?    	 Try this:.   Change  1 > NABOO:$ BACKUP/RECORD/LOG *.TXT;* TEST.BCK/SAVE.   to       $ BACKUP/RECORD/LOGw4 SYS$SYSROOT:[000000]SYSMGR.DIR,SYS$MANAGER:*.TXT;* -       TEST1.BCK/SAVE  B This will update the backup date/time fields of the two SYSMGR.DIRD files so that subsequent incremental backups using /SINC=BACKUP will@ work as you seem to want it to(unless something else updates theF modification date/time fields of the two SYSMGR.DIR files between your full and incremental backups!).x     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman gfigroup coma   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:44:42 +0100 (BST)F From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: UAF questions@ Message-ID: <20020702044442.48247.qmail@web21009.mail.yahoo.com>  
 Hello all,4 I am trying to add users with sys$system:authorize.   5 Now using SYSTEM account I log in and start AUTHORIZEo3 program. I want to change the default directory fort2 the DEFAULT user (because by default all users are# created right under sys$device, eg,E sys$device:[NITIN]). m  4 Our machine has only one disk. I want all users have5 their login directories under one USER directory. Fore3 example, for SAM the login directory path would be o+ sys$device:[USER.SAM]. For TOM it should bee sys$device:[USER.TOM]. n  & So while in UAF, should I do the foll:% MODIFY DEFAULT /DIRECTORY=[USER.USER]n6 so that user 'X' can be created as sys$device:[USER.X]   Thanks in Advance  Kesave    2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Everything you'll ever need on one web page - from News and Sport to Email and Music Chartso http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 14:04:20 -0700e& From: dorrt@sutterhealth.org (tr dorr) Subject: Unable to ZIP a filee= Message-ID: <59b7bbb8.0207011304.55ef4ced@posting.google.com>R  . I'm not able to zip a file. Here's the error. 2 I think I'm using the most current version of ZIP.> Anyone know why this error occurs and how I can ZIP this file? Thanks. Tom     Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP% Type 'zip "-L"' for software license.d Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999).    zip WPAYQHOK.zip WPAYQHOK.DAT'   adding: WPAYQHOK.DAT  
 THE ERROR:5 zip warning: non-translatable vms error code: 0x181A8i7 %rms-w-rtb, !ul byte record too large for user's buffer =         zip warning: could not open for reading: WPAYQHOK.DATe#         zip warning: zip file emptys  	 THE FILE:h PROD2>dir/full WPAYQHOK.DATn   Directory DSA14:[TRANS]   > WPAYQHOK.DAT;1                File ID:  (30,2,0)              0 Size:       178472/178500     Owner:    [SYSTEM]" Created:   28-JUN-2002 03:29:42.21& Revised:   28-JUN-2002 03:46:37.20 (2) Expires:   <None specified>m Backup:    <No backup recorded>C Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>a File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online hK File attributes:    Allocation: 178500, Extend: 100, Global buffer count: 0 9                     No version limit, Contiguous best tryrG Record format:      Variable length, maximum 512 bytes, longest 4 bytese4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:C Access Cntrl List:  None   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 01:43:07 GMTP1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ! Subject: Re: Unable to ZIP a filei' Message-ID: <3D210943.DF9EFAED@fsi.net>    tr dorr wrote: > / > I'm not able to zip a file. Here's the error. 4 > I think I'm using the most current version of ZIP.@ > Anyone know why this error occurs and how I can ZIP this file?
 > Thanks. Tom  > " > Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP' > Type 'zip "-L"' for software license.  > Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999).F  @ I believe there's a newer ZIP than that. I still have V2.3 in my, freeware area, but V2.4 is current, I think.   > zip WPAYQHOK.zip WPAYQHOK.DAT2  # The recommendable options would be:a  ' $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/VMS archive_name filespecw    - or -o  ! $ ZIP "-8V" archive_name filespeci   >   adding: WPAYQHOK.DAT >  > THE ERROR:7 > zip warning: non-translatable vms error code: 0x181A8 9 > %rms-w-rtb, !ul byte record too large for user's bufferI? >         zip warning: could not open for reading: WPAYQHOK.DATe% >         zip warning: zip file emptyl >  > THE FILE:  > PROD2>dir/full WPAYQHOK.DATu >  > Directory DSA14:[TRANS]n > 2 > WPAYQHOK.DAT;1                File ID:  (30,2,0)2 > Size:       178472/178500     Owner:    [SYSTEM]$ > Created:   28-JUN-2002 03:29:42.21( > Revised:   28-JUN-2002 03:46:37.20 (2) > Expires:   <None specified>e! > Backup:    <No backup recorded>t > Effective: <None specified>e > Recording: <None specified>r  > File organization:  Sequential > Shelved state:      OnlineM > File attributes:    Allocation: 178500, Extend: 100, Global buffer count: 0a; >                     No version limit, Contiguous best try I > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 512 bytes, longest 4 bytess6 > Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control > RMS attributes:     None > Journaling enabled: None? > File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:- > Access Cntrl List:  None  H I'd try an ANALYZE/RMS on it first. Those record attributes look awfullyD bogus to me: a 178472 block seq/var file with MRS=512 and LRL=4 justD doesn't sit right with me somehow. I'd be curious to know the record count, etc. ...e   -- s David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:53:58 -0700S( From: Postmaster <Abuse@Flying-Disk.com> Subject: Re: VAX 4000-200t/ Message-ID: <3D20DD86.90A50927@Flying-Disk.com>8   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  G > ANybody have an idea what the likely selling price for a VAX 4000-200rF > might be??  I looked at Ebay but didn't see anything there.  Anybody  > here who might be interested??  7 I bought one in a BA213 box this weekend for $100 (withh7 a bunch of other goodies thrown in).   Two years ago, a ( rack-mount one was given to me for free.  8 I like them because they still have a Q-bus, which means7 they support the QDSS (GPX) graphics cards, which means86 they support VWS (VAX Workstation Software).   While I5 am gradually coming to grips with DECwindows, I stillr prefer VWS (Hi, Fred!).   + Alan Frisbie          Abuse@Flying-Disk.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:30:35 -0500 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>! Subject: RE: Worldcom MCI and VMS+C Message-ID: <NDBBJFNBJJHKADILJHIJGEHCIPAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>r  # They've been doing that all long ;)a       -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]% Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:46 AMi To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn! Subject: Re: Worldcom MCI and VMSp     Invader Zim wrote:L > I wonder with the news reports if WorldCOM IT architecture is a moot point" > now? I hope they turn it around.  B Couldn't a bankrupt Worldcom be able to spin off MCI as a separate
 profitable; entity and use the proceeds to pay back some of its debts ?m    L Wasn't Worldcom much smaller than MCI when it acquired it ? Has MCI remainedJ relatively intact or was its operations and infrastructure merged with all the/( other companies that Worldcom acquired ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 01:16:08 GMTt1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>> Subject: Re: wow' Message-ID: <3D2102F4.40F8BCFB@fsi.net>1   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:o > ( > I *told* you that HP was listening....  D So, eh? We'll see - come October and the "HP Listens Panel", if they  even do that this time around...   -- o David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 02:13:33 GMTe1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>r Subject: Re: wow. Message-ID: <h%7U8.373855$352.46492@sccrnsc02>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D2102F4.40F8BCFB@fsi.net...s > WILLIAM WEBB wrote:- > >-* > > I *told* you that HP was listening.... >rF > So, eh? We'll see - come October and the "HP Listens Panel", if they" > even do that this time around...  J Haven't heard anything to the contrary but will czech with the HPETS folks to find out for sure.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 02:17:46 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>n Subject: Re: wow. Message-ID: <e38U8.385411$cQ3.25116@sccrnsc01>  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message( news:h%7U8.373855$352.46492@sccrnsc02... >m> > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3D2102F4.40F8BCFB@fsi.net...w > > WILLIAM WEBB wrote:v > > >d, > > > I *told* you that HP was listening.... > >kH > > So, eh? We'll see - come October and the "HP Listens Panel", if they$ > > even do that this time around... >jL > Haven't heard anything to the contrary but will czech with the HPETS folks > to find out for sure.u >o  J Yep. Consistent with my expectations (above) there will be an "HP Listens" panel @HPETS2002 in St. Louis.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:20:09 GMT-& From: Jeffrey Chimene <jec@nospam.net> Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM mode 2 Message-ID: <874rfilmmh.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  ' "-Andy-" <acs@fcgnet.works.net> writes:o  = > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> enlightened us withh' > news:3D1CAB82.564BBC92@videotron.ca: 2 >  > > Dave Greenwood wrote:h= > >> XDM is not needed - you can probably start telnet or rsh C > >> sessions on the hosts of your choice from the emulator without  > >> using XDM.  > > C > > Well, I genereally start the session from my VMS workstation tod > > pop the windows oh my MAC. > B > That's fine but what if you want to use a window manager on your9 > VMS machine instead of whatever you have on your Mac ?  D Do you really want to do this? The performance would probably not beD very acceptable. For example, all mouse movement must be sent to the? remote window manager which then tells the local server what to A do. Technically, it's very cool, but the performance is less than- real-time. -  C > > But if XDM means that the MAC could actually start the sessionsiB > > on it own (without having to telnet) it would be really cool.  > D > And if someone has (or a URL to) a nice simple 'how-to' to get xdmA > to work on Mac OS X (with XDarwin/XFree) so we can actually use D > the XDM support in Compaq TCP/IP 5.1/5.3 that allows this it would > be much appreciated. t> There are probably other techniques in OS X that allow this to< occur. Your Xserver will allow a remote client to manage its@ desktop. That said, it can be a very unsecure configuration in aD hostile environment. For example, remote clients can open windows onB your server, install sniffing software on network traffic. You canF lock it down, but it requires some research to get stuff right. If youA really want to do this, start with the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE stuff and- learn about Xauthority.-  = xdm provides a solution to a problem you probably don't have:rB providing a login service in a networked environment. I don't knowC about the OS X, but login &c is probably handled during the machinegD boot. In that environment, the X Window GUI is merely one of severalE GUI choices; does the machine in question boot directly into X, or is:D the X environment invoked on demand? For example, I have Alpha Linux? running as we speak. The boot sequence is control by the "init"oB program; which reads a script and decodes its contents to decide aE "run level." Run levels are historically derived, and the interestingoB ones are 1 & 2. Run level 1 is 'single user mode', consider it the* equivalent of VMS's stand-alone boot mode.  F Run level 2 is where things get interesting: network interface (inetd,> &c), kernel logging, line printer daemon, and finally xdm. xdmC provides login services (it knows how to interact with the passwordeC facility) and starts your window manager which starts user-selecteddC tasks. The X Window environment is the only GUI available for Linuxl? (as opposed to OS X which has aqua & XDarwin), and xdm providesc1 username/password services for that environment. 6  @ Now, does OS X have a username/password facility during its boot@ sequence? If so, can you replace that facility with xdm? I don'tF really know what XDarwin is, (I'm assuming it's XFree86 for OS X), butB OS X already has a GUI (aqua) You can probably put X in a superiorD position w/r/t/ aqua in the boot sequence, but from what little I've9 read, aqua is a /vastly/ superior GUI when compared to X.a  F If OS X doesn't provide a username/password facility at boot time, butE you want one when using a VMS client with your local X server, you'llrF have to find an xdm image to run on XDarwin. Usually, it comes with anF X distribution. On OS X, it's probably disabled (because aqua providesB its own username/password handler, and because X is in an inferiorE position w/r/t/ aqua in the boot sequence). My guess is that when you,C start X Windows from OS X, you're directly starting the X server ofcD your choice (cde from what I gather). I don't have a vast experienceE with hosted X Window environments, but they usually provide their ownpE version of xdm, which works in conjunction with the remote client and B local GUI. In the case of eXceed, the local GUI is Windows. In the$ case of XDarwin, it's probably aqua.  C My advice would be that you give up on getting xdm to work, becausenF you don't really need it, and I *believe* under OS X it's not requiredD (really out on a limb here). You'll probably want to get your windowA manager's configuration file to automatically launch the requiredlC client applications. As an alternative, OS X probably provides some @ interesting startup sequence control that can be tought to startF XDarwin, wait, and then start a few client applications. If I could doA that in the MS-Windows environment, it's pretty hard to believe I H couldn't do that under OS X. The specific technique there will depend onF whether or not your friendly system mangler is allowing the rlogin/rshC type commands. Usually, they will, and you will rlogin and start an0F xterm session where the X server is your OS X box running XDarwin. You@ will want to update .Xauthority, and the particulars of that are2 related to XDarwin's implementation of the "xauth"@ program. Alternatively, you may be able to use XDarwin's versionE of "xhost". It's entirely possible these are not stand-alone programs0F in the XDarwin environment. Their functions may be integrated into the: X server, available under a "Security" menu heading. YMMV. > > > Apparently the [R]eally [T]eriffic [F]ine [M]anuals for xdm D > available with the Mac OS X version of XFree (XDarwin), like most > > Unix programms, assumes too much understanding of the arcane. > procedures required to get this to work.... = There's probably a newsgroup out there just waiting for thesei questions...   > 9 > It's been so long since I stopped having to worry about-= > Unix and X issues that what little I understood such things ( > before seems to have gone away... %-).   Buenos suerte!  H I'm interested in solving this problem. Apple is a critical tactic in my& strategy to be Microsoft free by 2003.   --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:54:30 +00002 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>$ Subject: [OT] The Joy of ... Mergers3 Message-ID: <20020701185430.C1920@eisenschmidt.org>U  K I didn't see anyone post this before, and I thought you all might enjoy it.   9 http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/311.htmlR   -- E/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>C6  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenM  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.asc D  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  M  This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.html    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.360 ************************