1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 02 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 361       Contents:; Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA ? access to graphics classes from a character-based dcl procedure C Re: access to graphics classes from a character-based dcl procedure C Re: access to graphics classes from a character-based dcl procedure ' Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... ' Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... ' Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... ' Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ... $ Compaq/Capellas were DEC hostile ... Itanium II Another Shoe Drops  RE: Java file names  Re: Java file names  Re: KZTSA and AIT1 Re: KZTSA and AIT1 Re: KZTSA and AIT1P Re: LIB$FIND_FILE returns 99540( dynamic menory exhausted)[Urgent help required]P Re: LIB$FIND_FILE returns 99540( dynamic menory exhausted)[Urgent help required] Re: parsing >255 Re: parsing >255 Re: parsing >255 Re: parsing >255/ Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMS  Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server  Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server F Removing plain text, stupidity (was: Re: VMS IO up to the level of PC)! Re: Restricted Login Terminations ! Re: Restricted Login Terminations ! Re: Restricted Login Terminations ! Re: Restricted Login Terminations " Re: Sun benchmarketeering campaign5 Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus 9 Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus 9 Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus 9 Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus 9 Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus  Re: UAF questions  RE: UAF questions  Re: Unable to ZIP a file+ Using GNU C on OpenVMS FAQ (Looking for it)  vms binary files  Re: VMS IO up to the level of PC Re: Xwindows: XDM mode Re: [OT] The Joy of ... Mergers   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 07:54:57 -0700 " From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)D Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0207020654.7a18768d@posting.google.com>   u "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<ZvOT8.211978$_j6.10858757@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... 1 > "Joe" <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d56d1c2d.0206301428.2d6cc950@posting.google.com... 9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message A >  news:<ZucT8.456694$%y.32219108@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... E > > > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com> wrote in message @ > > > news:CN4T8.300$uT4.166@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > > M > > > Two mutually-consistent beliefs without a hint of hypocrisy, but that's D > > > perhaps a bit too complicated for knuckle-draggers to fathom -
 >  especially = > > > when they're righteously outraged by the first of them.  > >  > > Do as I say not as I do. > >  > > < > > Nuff said. Later (have to go apply ointment to knucles). > I > Indeed.  Next time, make more effort to understand what you read before 5 > responding to it.  If you need more help, just ask.   8 I read it. I understood it. I have no need for any help.  E Be it people trying to kill one another in some corner of the planet, E the behavior I observe in my daily commute, someone stomping his foot D on the floor yelling about his right to carry a gun or any number of? other things - finding arguments to support the claim that Homo B Sapiens are all that far from chimpanzees swinging in the trees is rather difficult at times.  E This is comp.os.vms. Ostensibly its purpose is to discuss the OpenVMS F operating system. If you feel a need to discuss firearms please find a more suitable news group.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 00:11:52 -0700 & From: h_wallat@tecis.de (Heike Wallat)H Subject: access to graphics classes from a character-based dcl procedure< Message-ID: <7f38ae7f.0207012311.ba9c5c0@posting.google.com>   Hi, " we have an OpenVMS / java problem.F We use the Java SDK Version 1.3.1. We have a library that converts XML@ files to PDF files. From an XTerminal emulation this works fine.F However we want to be able to run this routine automatically, not fromF an X window. When we use a character-based  login, the routine doesn't/ work, as it fails to find the java AWT classes.   C We think what we need to do is, to "fool" the character-based logon E procedure that it is actually a graphical terminal, thus starting the F FastVM with access to the AWT files. The procedure doesn't perform any0 graphical output, it just needs the class files.   How do we do this?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:29:09 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>L Subject: Re: access to graphics classes from a character-based dcl procedure, Message-ID: <afro80$13cm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  3 "Heike Wallat" <h_wallat@tecis.de> wrote in message 6 news:7f38ae7f.0207012311.ba9c5c0@posting.google.com...  $ > we have an OpenVMS / java problem.H > We use the Java SDK Version 1.3.1. We have a library that converts XMLB > files to PDF files. From an XTerminal emulation this works fine.H > However we want to be able to run this routine automatically, not fromH > an X window. When we use a character-based  login, the routine doesn't1 > work, as it fails to find the java AWT classes.    Three ideas spring to mind:   H Upgrade to 1.4 (when released). Use the DECwindows virtual frame buffer.E Use a stub awt toolkit, such as PJA ( http://www.eteks.com/pja/en/ ). 2 Waiting for 1.4 is obviously the lazy thing to do.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 08:41:29 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: access to graphics classes from a character-based dcl procedure3 Message-ID: <f6swajEOA2$8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <7f38ae7f.0207012311.ba9c5c0@posting.google.com>, h_wallat@tecis.de (Heike Wallat) writes:  > Hi, $ > we have an OpenVMS / java problem.H > We use the Java SDK Version 1.3.1. We have a library that converts XMLB > files to PDF files. From an XTerminal emulation this works fine.H > However we want to be able to run this routine automatically, not fromH > an X window. When we use a character-based  login, the routine doesn't1 > work, as it fails to find the java AWT classes.  > E > We think what we need to do is, to "fool" the character-based logon G > procedure that it is actually a graphical terminal, thus starting the H > FastVM with access to the AWT files. The procedure doesn't perform any2 > graphical output, it just needs the class files. >  > How do we do this?  A    Have you tried adding a set display command to your .com file?    ------------------------------  . Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:43:56 +0200 (MET DST)& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>0 Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...6 Message-ID: <200207020743.JAA23391@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Andrew did wrote:    >>> < Humm, the list price of an 8 CPU V880 is ~100,000 with 16 GB8 the list price of a 4 CPU 667 Mhz 16 GB ES40 is ~180,000
 both dollars. < Humm, the list price of an 8 CPU V880 is ~100,000 with 16 GB8 the list price of a 4 CPU 667 Mhz 16 GB ES40 is ~180,000
 both dollars.  <<<   A Andrew I don't know where you buy your Suns. We must buy it by an @ F&L seller. Our Sun Fire V880 does have four (4) CPUs and (only)F eightGB memory and did cost with F&L discount (30%) over 220.000,00DM.D Our ES40 with four CPUs and 16GB memory did cost about 130.000,00DM.A As you see, the Sun with four CPUs and eight GB memory did cost a B lot more monye then the ES40. Additional eight GB Sun memory wouldA cost about 40.000,00DM. So you will have the double price for the D same configuration. This is our pric here in Germany and there. It's, not marketing, it is, what we have paid for.D Sorry, but I did know nothing about the Sun disks. There are SeagateD 180GB disks connected to the ES40 via a LVD SCSI host adapter. I did9 measure the I/O performance with the following procedure:    	1. Create a 10GB file. 4 	2. Copy them from one disk to an other connected to 	   a different controller. . 	3. Copy them from the disk to the null device   This is what I did test.   Best regards Rudolf Wingert   F P.S. I did test a second configuration only under OpenVMS (there is anF tool to do so) with disk onboard write cache enabled. Then we will seeI a great write performance to the disk. I know about the security problem. G But we don't have any transaction processing, where we have to know the  real state of write.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:21:32 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> 0 Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...0 Message-ID: <afrurc$cao$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  % > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" @ > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message, > news:afpluv$jni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >  >> >>Rudolf Wingert wrote:  >> >>	 >>>Hallo,  >>> @ >>>Andrew did wrote a lot of number, but did not write, where we> >>>can find this number to check the conditions. Anybody could? >>>write a lot os arguments. But I would like to see verifyable ? >>>statements. We do have an AlphaStation ES40 with four 600MHz = >>>EV6 CPUs and 16GB memory and a SunFire 880 with the 900MHz > >>>UltraSparc III. Now I can compare performance/price. Sorry,> >>>but we do not have an application running on both. The only@ >>>one I could test is I/O. There was a small difference between@ >>>both. Alpha a little bit faster (under OpenVMS!!!!). Also theD >>>boot sequence was much faster (I know this is meaningless becauseB >>>OpenVMS have to be booted only once). But the big difference is: >>>the price. We did pay the double value for the SunFire. >>>  >>>  >>> >>Humm, the list price of an 8 CPU V880 is ~100,000 with 16 GB: >>the list price of a 4 CPU 667 Mhz 16 GB ES40 is ~180,000 >>both dollars.  >>= >>I would be interested in what you used to benchmark the I/O < >>performance of the two systems and what kind of disks they >>both have. >> > M > I would be interested in where you found such a ridiculously overstated (by + > a factor of perhaps 3) price for an ES40.  >     < I ran the windows configuration tool available from HP's web= site which came up with that price, I was suprised myself and 9 tried a number of other configs all with similar results.   < Of course the ES40 pricing could well have plumeted recently or the tool could be wrong.    Regards  Andrew Harrison      > - bill >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:36:00 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> 0 Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ...0 Message-ID: <afs6nh$fev$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   v > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<lr0U8.502574$%y.34192866@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > % >>"Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" @ >><andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message, >>news:afpluv$jni$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >> >>>  >>>Rudolf Wingert wrote: >>>  >>> 
 >>>>Hallo, >>>>A >>>>Andrew did wrote a lot of number, but did not write, where we ? >>>>can find this number to check the conditions. Anybody could @ >>>>write a lot os arguments. But I would like to see verifyable@ >>>>statements. We do have an AlphaStation ES40 with four 600MHz> >>>>EV6 CPUs and 16GB memory and a SunFire 880 with the 900MHz? >>>>UltraSparc III. Now I can compare performance/price. Sorry, ? >>>>but we do not have an application running on both. The only A >>>>one I could test is I/O. There was a small difference between A >>>>both. Alpha a little bit faster (under OpenVMS!!!!). Also the E >>>>boot sequence was much faster (I know this is meaningless because C >>>>OpenVMS have to be booted only once). But the big difference is ; >>>>the price. We did pay the double value for the SunFire.  >>>> >>>> >>> ? >>>Humm, the list price of an 8 CPU V880 is ~100,000 with 16 GB ; >>>the list price of a 4 CPU 667 Mhz 16 GB ES40 is ~180,000  >>>both dollars. >>> > >>>I would be interested in what you used to benchmark the I/O= >>>performance of the two systems and what kind of disks they 
 >>>both have.  >>> M >>I would be interested in where you found such a ridiculously overstated (by + >>a factor of perhaps 3) price for an ES40.  >> >>- bill >> > < > the same place he finds the overstated performance numbers/ > for sparky ... he pulls them out of a hat ...  >     ; Bills question was polite if a little sharp yours of course 9 couln't manage the polite bit so I have no hessitation in  being sharp back.   8 The ES40 prices that I gave are the ones that HP provide6 for the box using their pricing tool. This is the same8 source as the "overstated" performance numbers you refer6 to, what you seem unable to grasp is that AlphaServers8 price and performance is terrible and the source of this information isn't me its HP.  : Now if your thesis is that HP have falsified their pricing7 and their performance numbers then that is a discussion 7 that we can have but don't claim that I have overstated 8 Sun's numbers or understated Compaqs, both are published9 sets of numbers, I quote as with the pricing what Sun and  Compaq have published.  8 The great joke here or sadness if you are an advocate of< Alphaservers is that you are the biggest cuplrit I can think& of of the behaviour you ascribe to me.  8 Yuo make ridiculous claims for 100-1000's of SPARC CPU's7 being required to match Alpha, then when challenged you  revert to silence.  < Incedentally where was your justification for the ridiculous9 claims you have been making, I gave you a couple of weeks 6 a month ago and nothing appeared, could we assume that6 your silence on the matter signifies that you are well6 aware that what you are claiming is without substance.     Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 12:58:50 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) 0 Subject: Re: Andrew wan'ts the numbers, here ..., Message-ID: <afs82a$1hrs$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <3D2119E7.6060204@epsilon3.com>, +  "Jay E. Morris" <jem@epsilon3.com> writes:  |> Bob Ceculski wrote: |>  ? |> > the same place he finds the overstated performance numbers 2 |> > for sparky ... he pulls them out of a hat ... |>  ) |> Funny, that's not where I wear my hat.   = According to one of the VMS faithful it looks like he got his = numbers directly from Compaq/HP.  Kind of makes you both look  foolish, don't you think??   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 06:20:59 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)- Subject: Compaq/Capellas were DEC hostile ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207020520.5a129ea1@posting.google.com>   ? and if HP doesn't use their top technology right, they will end  up just like Q ...    & How Compaq created the Digital divide   $ Part I: Attack of the Texan cowboys ( By our uromole, 02/07/2002 09:08:25 BST    E ACCORDING TO SOURCES in Compaq Europe, as recently as year 2000 there ? were serious internal conflicts with Compaq's buyout of Digital 
 Equipment.F The buyout had occurred in June 1998 but despite CEO Eckard Pfeiffer'sF intentions to expand Compaq beyond being just a PC company things wereE still in disarray at the time of his departure in April 1999. In June ? acting CEO Ben Rosen reorganised the European operations of the @ company on 2 July when he made a number of major appointments toA Compaq's EMEA Centre located near Munich. On 22 July 1999 Michael ; Capellas was appointed CEO and continued Rosen's direction.   @ Late in 1999 a senior emissary from Houston gathered many of theF European staff together in Germany and told them how things were to be done from that time onwards.  B Our sources were not forthcoming with a name but given that he was? dictating policy to the high-ups in Compaq's EMEA people we can F surmise that he was either the person in Houston that they reported to@ or someone even more senior, which probably puts him in the most, senior 10 people within Compaq's management.  ? Apparently he started out by saying - bluntly and loudly -"GoodpA morning, or guten whatever you say here. I just speak English !",rD which of course is a well-known way to win friends, influence people. and generally improve international relations.  E He went on to say that the Digital way was to be forgotten -- that itwD was a different company now. "The future will be PCs and NT. You canF forget about all those Digital products. In less than 12 months no-oneC will remember that name." (or words to that effect). Of course this$> went down like a sack of Kartoffeln to the large contingent of ex-Digits that were present.  F He also said that Houston would be managing EMEA directly, determining? sales policy and operations, and that everyone present would beoE reporting upwards to him. The relative autonomy that Digital staff inrD each of the countries ha enjoyed was soon to be a thing of the past.F The fact that they knew their customers and had good rapport with themC was irrelevant in the scheme of things; centralised EMEA was takinga over.   B According to our sources it was made very clear that Houston wouldE push PCs and that Compaq's primary, or even only, interest in Digital F was its extensive and loyal customer base, one that it was planning to convert to NT.  @ The view of many present was that Digital's credibility in theirA professionalism and attitude to customers was to be replaced with F something far, far inferior. The new world order was here. And HoustonE would control it, not Europe, and certainly not Digital's old base inu Boston.l  F About this same time, following edicts from Houston, Compaq's existingC EMEA centre near Munich was expanded to also house these ex-Digital D people and it became the EMEA centre for all of Europe - and in factF the EMEA region - much to the chagrin of many. A significant number ofC its new staff was sourced from outside Europe, which of course onlyl added to the dissent.c  B By October 2000 the EMEA centre at Munich was much reduced becauseE most of it had moved to a site near Zurich's airport. Various reasons F were cited for the move including proximity to an airport and a change? in the nature of the company, both of which appear to be rather4E spurious. Any way that you look at it, the twelve-month exercise withnD a Munich base - buildings, staffing, business infrastructure - was a< fiasco. A significant amount of money was wasted, staff were! demoralised, customers alienated.h  A Compaq was thrashing around, very uncertain of what it was doing.a< Compaq was a PC company who had a build-then-sell-and-forget? mentality. Digital was a software company as well as a hardware B company, one that believed in supporting its customers in the longE term and thus had a solid reputation. Long time European ex-Digits inoD Compaq have spoken of the old days when long hours were common but aB "family" attitude prevailed and everyone pitched in. They contrastF this with the low morale and lack of atmosphere under Compaq, but with' the same kinds of hours being expected.e  C Compaq's attitude towards Digital's products was glaringly obvious,aD much to the dismay of the ex-Digital employees. Their morale was notC improved any by what they saw as PC salesmen being promoted severalfD levels above their abilities to become influential people in the new company.  C It was not at all surprising to them that Compaq's profits were lownC and that Compaq's share price was in the doldrums and that the onlysD major competitor with a similar range of products and services, IBM,' was not suffering in a similar fashion.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:26:05 +0100sU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> & Subject: Itanium II Another Shoe Drops0 Message-ID: <afs9ld$gdm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  ? Dell have just announced that they are following a wait and seeh@ strategy with Itanium II. They will not be announcing models and7 apparently will not be supporting Intel for the launch.r  T http://investor.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-20110110-0.html?tag=ltnc   Regardsa Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:17:05 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>t Subject: RE: Java file namesT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026607DB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Chuck,  G >>> The problem is that it's converted to a Unix style path, which then2& fails when trying to open the file.<<<  
 As a fyi -  < Pointer to current version (V1.3.1-3) online release notes :H http://www.compaq.com/java/documentation/1.3.1/ovms/docs/RELEASE_NOTES.H TML#UNIX_STYLE) "UNIX Style Filenames on OpenVMS Systems"2  H http://www.compaq.com/java/documentation/1.3.1/ovms/docs/RELEASE_NOTES.H TML  (Main release notes home page)   Regardsa  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services. Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----. From: Chuck [mailto:sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: July 1, 2002 6:38 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh Subject: Java file names    H Quick question about java on openVMS.  I'm trying to pass in a file nameH on the command line.  The problem is that it's converted to a Unix styleH path, which then fails when trying to open the file.  I need to keep the4 unix paths included (I can't just remove it from theF java$setup.com) for other jar's and zip's to work.  Is there a fix for= this? (aside from writing special code to do the conversion).a       $ OpenVMS V7.3 $ java -versionn java version "1.3.0"0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionA Classic VM (build 1.3.0-1, 04/12/2001-12:42, native threads, jit)r   sample codee   public class hello {.*     public static void main(String[] args)     {P2         System.out.println("Filename " + args[0]);      } }e   $ show log bblingt1   "BBLING" =3D "AD35:[DD.GA2]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)w  $ java "hello" "bbling:test.err" Filename /bbling/test.errn   Chuckk sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 08:37:49 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Java file names3 Message-ID: <DD339iwr3CO0@eisner.encompasserve.org>W  d In article <55c497a4.0207011438.4a7615ee@posting.google.com>, sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com (Chuck) writes:  
 > sample code  >  > public class hello > {t, >     public static void main(String[] args) >     {-4 >         System.out.println("Filename " + args[0]); >      } > }m >  > $ show log bbling.1 >   "BBLING" = "AD35:[DD.GA2]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)e" > $ java "hello" "bbling:test.err" > Filename /bbling/test.err  >   E    When you post some sample code you should make sure it really doessG    what you claim.  Nowhere in the above sample do you do anything that0E    will make the JRE consider the String args[0] to be a file name.   &    What you sample really produces is:  #    $ java "hello" "bbling:test.err"a    Filename bbling:test.errk  D    The following sample shows that in fact, the JRE works correctly,+    that is the file can be opened and read:    import java.io.*;d   public class hello {3*     public static void main(String[] args)     { 2         System.out.println("Filename " + args[0]);           tryf	         {d+             File trans = new File(args[0]);t5             FileReader inp = new FileReader(args[0]);t;             BufferedReader input = new BufferedReader(inp); +             String line = input.readLine();n<             System.out.println("line <" + line + "> from " +#                   trans.getPath());nI             System.out.println(" treated as " + trans.getAbsolutePath()); 
          }          catch (Exception e)
          {              e.printStackTrace();
          }      } }1  ' $define bbling user1:[koehler.terminal]a $dir bbling:cwho.mms  " Directory USER1:[KOEHLER.TERMINAL]   CWHO.MMS;19d   Total of 1 file. $show logical decc*d (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)r   (LNM$JOB_812C4380)  $   "DECC$ARGV_PARSE_STYLE" = "ENABLE"%   "DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE" = "ENABLE"    (LNM$GROUP_000400)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES) $show logical java*file*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)    (LNM$JOB_812C4380)  2   "JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS" = "JAVA$M_UNIX_AND_VMS"   (LNM$GROUP_000400)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)   $javac hello.javaU $java hello bbling:cwho.mmsm Filename bbling:cwho.mms/ line <cwho.exe : cwho.obj> from bbling:cwho.mmse*  treated as /USER1/KOEHLER/bbling:cwho.mms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:15:50 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: KZTSA and AIT1nK Message-ID: <rdeininger-0207020715500001@1cust235.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>l  ( Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:  ? >> So you need a DWZZB or equivalent, plus appropriate cabling.t >c >This is a TurboChannel card?i   DWZZB comes in 3 flavors:w' 1. Standalone box, requires 110V power.tP 2. Storageworks SBB.  Shelf supplies power and the single-ended SCSI connection.9 3. Bare board with SCSI connectors, you supply the power.I  A You might need a DWZZA (SE narrow SCSI) or a DWZZB (SE wide SCSI)i  depending on your configuration.  F IIRC, the SCSI appendix in the VMS Guide to Cluster Configurations has* some useful examples of SCSI bus trickery.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:41:48 -0400b' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: KZTSA and AIT1 < Message-ID: <howard-46DA14.07414802072002@enews.newsguy.com>   In article >@ <rdeininger-0207020715500001@1cust235.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,4  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:   > DWZZB comes in 3 flavors: ) > 1. Standalone box, requires 110V power.c   Connecting to the system, how?  G > 2. Storageworks SBB.  Shelf supplies power and the single-ended SCSI  
 > connection.n   ibid  ; > 3. Bare board with SCSI connectors, you supply the power.h    So it's not a TurboChannel card.  I Guess I'd better figure out how to find the specs for such things.  It'd  B be a good thing to know in general, not just for this.  Finding a H fast/wide SCSI TurboChannel card, if they ever built one, would be more . of a treasure hunt than anything else.  <grin>   -- g# "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  I hope you have good backups!-) Are there any more networked SJFs around?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:24:11 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: KZTSA and AIT1eK Message-ID: <rdeininger-0207020824110001@1cust235.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   E In article <howard-46DA14.07414802072002@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S0 Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:i   >In article A ><rdeininger-0207020715500001@1cust235.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>,o5 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:$ >$ >> DWZZB comes in 3 flavors:* >> 1. Standalone box, requires 110V power. >> >Connecting to the system, how?o  H One end of the box has a FWD SCSI connector, like the one on your KZTSA.G The other end has a SE SCSI connector.  I've never seen one of these in H person, so I don't know the exact connector type.  From the picture (see9 below) it looks like a 50-pin centronics style connector.S  H >> 2. Storageworks SBB.  Shelf supplies power and the single-ended SCSI  >> connection. >> >ibide  @ The front of the SBB has a FWD SCSI connector like on the KZTSA.  < >> 3. Bare board with SCSI connectors, you supply the power. >l! >So it's not a TurboChannel card.V  J Nope.  Sorry. If the power is within the limits of a TC slot, you might be able to rig something up.a  ? Note -- the DWZZx modules are just passive converters, not SCSIcI controllers.  They just connect two different types of SCSI bus together.,    J >Guess I'd better figure out how to find the specs for such things.  It'd C >be a good thing to know in general, not just for this.  Finding a wI >fast/wide SCSI TurboChannel card, if they ever built one, would be more  ' >of a treasure hunt than anything else.e  I The KZTSA is the only FW SCSI turbochannel card.  At the time, LVD hadn'tiJ been invented yet.  The only differential SCSI was the high-voltage kind. I The SE-differential converters were available to connect the two kinds ofmD bus.  Fairly pricy at the time (like all SCSI stuff), but cheap now.  G There are a couple of flavors of PMAZ module, but they are SE narrow.  p  ' Here's a couple of standalone DWZZA-AA:n  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2035792526P= http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034717630e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jul 2002 23:07:10 -0700y- From: mvsjetti@hss.hns.com (Mahesh V S Jetti)rY Subject: Re: LIB$FIND_FILE returns 99540( dynamic menory exhausted)[Urgent help required] = Message-ID: <adb15ffe.0207012207.192acefc@posting.google.com>i  
 Hi Gerard,  /   I had gone through the url you had specified.eF  But they are not working for my system. They are for higher versions.E  My system is having vax/vms 5.5 version. So can u please let me knowg,  about any links related to the 5.5 version.    Thanks and regards,  Mahesh   ] "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr> wrote in message news:<hpZT8.9$gK1.286874@news.cpqcorp.net>...i > Hellos >  > sorry for my previous post.  > / > To check the free Piopages for a process, uset > begin url,N > http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/CHAMP_SRC99030800167 > 1.html	 > end urli > 3 > and to check the free Ctlpages for a process, usee > begin url N > http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/CY-1021490401-1.html	 > end urlt > 	 > regardsl >  > Grard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 09:18:59 GMT $ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr>Y Subject: Re: LIB$FIND_FILE returns 99540( dynamic menory exhausted)[Urgent help required]:1 Message-ID: <7eeU8.8$%02.153704@news.cpqcorp.net>D  : "Mahesh V S Jetti" <mvsjetti@hss.hns.com> wrote in message7 news:adb15ffe.0207012207.192acefc@posting.google.com...  > Hi Gerard, >C1 >   I had gone through the url you had specified.tH >  But they are not working for my system. They are for higher versions.G >  My system is having vax/vms 5.5 version. So can u please let me known. >  about any links related to the 5.5 version. >i >  Thanks and regards,	 >  Mahesh. >i   Helloe  # If you always use LIB$FIND_FILE_ENDiE after LIB$FIND_FILE you will never need to check the free Ctlpages or 	 Piopages.   H Checking the free Ctlpages for another process on Vax is at all trivial.   Regardsv   Grard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:13:53 +0200>' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: parsing >25502 Message-ID: <3D217CE1.7060300@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:P > Jouk wrote (in response to Guy Peleg's saying that DCL command limit is being 
 > increased):o >  > J >>Good that will certainly help. But why cannot the command string length K >>not be allocated dynamically upon its need? Probably I will go over this 7I >>8192 bytes easily when link complicated programs using many objects in aJ >>many different directories. Now I split up because the 1024 limitation, ) >>but sometimes I need more than 8 parts.e >  > O > Just a thought, why not use OLBs.  I doubt that you have each object file in g > a different directory. > P > This should also speed up linking as an .OLB is only one file to open, versus  > each .OBJ. > I But you need the double diskspace, because you have to keep both the obj m and olb on disk.D I wonder how efficient OLB's of a couple of GBytes are, not only on I OpenVMS but also on other platforms since I like my makefiles except for a& the prolog to be platform independent.                 Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:18:36 +0200o' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: parsing >255 2 Message-ID: <3D217DFC.9080306@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Robert Deininger wrote:e: > In article <3D200E6A.3080908@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, JOUKJ$ > <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote: >  > J >>Good that will certainly help. But why cannot the command string length K >>not be allocated dynamically upon its need? Probably I will go over this GI >>8192 bytes easily when link complicated programs using many objects in hJ >>many different directories. Now I split up because the 1024 limitation, ) >>but sometimes I need more than 8 parts.e >  > J > Do you know about linker option files?  You don't ever need long command > lines for the linker.e< I know, but that makes the makefiles more platform dependent  
       Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:33:46 +0100t From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>e Subject: Re: parsing >255e) Message-ID: <3D21818A.3DACF346@Omond.net>r   JOUKJ wrote:  ( > paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:Q > > Jouk wrote (in response to Guy Peleg's saying that DCL command limit is beingb > > increased):a > >o > > K > >>Good that will certainly help. But why cannot the command string lengthdL > >>not be allocated dynamically upon its need? Probably I will go over thisJ > >>8192 bytes easily when link complicated programs using many objects inK > >>many different directories. Now I split up because the 1024 limitation, + > >>but sometimes I need more than 8 parts.o > >s > >aP > > Just a thought, why not use OLBs.  I doubt that you have each object file in > > a different directory. > >vQ > > This should also speed up linking as an .OLB is only one file to open, versusf > > each .OBJ. > >uJ > But you need the double diskspace, because you have to keep both the obj > and olb on disk.  = ???  No you don't need to keep both.  The .OLB is sufficient.   E > I wonder how efficient OLB's of a couple of GBytes are, not only onsJ > OpenVMS but also on other platforms since I like my makefiles except for( > the prolog to be platform independent.  G I can't speak for other platforms, but an .OLB of a couple of Gbytes isu. "efficient" (whatever that might mean) on VMS.  	 Roy Omondt Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 06:00:20 -0600y- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h Subject: Re: parsing >255t3 Message-ID: <Tm$RGLRJEOkN@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <3D217DFC.9080306@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes: > Robert Deininger wrote: ; >> In article <3D200E6A.3080908@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, JOUKJt% >> <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:h >>   >> lK >>>Good that will certainly help. But why cannot the command string length tL >>>not be allocated dynamically upon its need? Probably I will go over this J >>>8192 bytes easily when link complicated programs using many objects in K >>>many different directories. Now I split up because the 1024 limitation, w* >>>but sometimes I need more than 8 parts. >> t >> eK >> Do you know about linker option files?  You don't ever need long commandu >> lines for the linker.> > I know, but that makes the makefiles more platform dependent  # So do overly long command lines :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:48:05 +0200a3 From: Theo Jakobus <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fraunhofer.de>e8 Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMS0 Message-ID: <3D2176D5.1040907@iaf.fraunhofer.de>   Hiroyuki Tanaka wrote: > Dear Readers,s > D > I have a DEC Alpha 500AU with an Elsa Gloria card and I wishing toG > upgrade to use OpenGL.  I have looked at the SPD for Open3D and thereoD > is no mention of support for the Powerstorm 300 and Powerstorm 350 > cards. > E > Will the Powerstorm 300 and 350 series of card work with OpenGL andt > OVMS?s > 7 > What is the minimum version of VMS I need to install?c > @ > Which card do I need to get if I to use OpenGL overlays?  (The8 > Powerstorm 4d20 supported overlays, but not the 3d30.) > 	 > Thanks r >  > Tanaka  > There are patches for OpenVMS the latest concerning graphics: b http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-vms73_graphics-v0100--4.README says:d*   - To be installed on all systems runningE                                  the listed version(s) of OpenVMS andt@                                  using the following feature(s):  ;                  One of the following graphics controllers:a  2        	   	  o  ELSA Gloria Synergy (SN-PBXGK-BB)1      		  o  JIB graphics controller (3X-DEPVD-AA)-"      		  o  Trifecta (3X-DEPVZ-AA)(     		  o  PowerStorm 3D30 (SN-PBXGB-AA)(     		  o  PowerStorm 4D20 (SN-PBXGB-CA)*     		  o  3Dlabs Oxygen VX1 (SN-PBXGF-AB)'     		  o  PowerStorm 300 (SN-PBXGD-AD)c2                    o  PowerStorm 350 (SN-PBXGD-AE)    >   - Certain OpenGL viewing transformations result in incorrect             ^^^^^^$       placement of primitives drawn.  :            Images Affected:  [SYSLIB]DECW$OPENGLPEERRI.EXE;                              [SYSLIB]DECW$SERVER_RIDDGL.EXEp      D This information shows that the Powerstorm 300/350 are supported by  OpenGL under OpenVMS.e     Regards, Jakobuse   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:23:47 +0100iU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> ( Subject: Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server0 Message-ID: <afs60j$ek5$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Art Beane wrote:  G > You probably don't want to even think about this. Current BL10e disks G > are 4200 rpm drives that are barely suitable for holding an operating A > system, never mind application data. They are barely capable ofi > supporting external NAS. > J > Better to wait for the next generation blades. More options are supposedF > to become available (scsi, iscsi, fc, diskless are things I've heard > (but not seen)). > A > Don't expect OpenVMS on a blade until after IPF becomes "real".a >      Don't expect it even then.  @ IPF is currently way to hot to be used easily in a blade server.  < This is one reason why the current crop of blades are mostly 700 Mhz Pentium based systems.   Regards  Andrew Harrison]     > -----Original Message-----* > From: arice22 [mailto:arice@rpminc.com] % > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 2:46 PM" > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComB& > Subject: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server >  > C > Is there a way to partition the Hard Drive so that the storage is- > divided among the blades?u >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:22:01 +0100:U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>5( Subject: Re: ProLiant BL10e Blade Server0 Message-ID: <afs5t9$ek5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   arice22 wrote:  C > Is there a way to partition the Hard Drive so that the storage is) > divided among the blades?o >     D You would be better off configuring an external NAS server and serveA the volumes up on the NAS server to the blades using NFS of CIFS."  B A blad is a FRU, the internal drives are generally for booting andA temporary files and are configured accordingly. The HP blades useo& EIDE drives and not fast ones at that.   Regardst Andrew Harrisonl   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:06:24 +0000 (UTC)* From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi>O Subject: Removing plain text, stupidity (was: Re: VMS IO up to the level of PC)w, Message-ID: <afs8gg$vdp$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  B Craig A. Berry <craig.berry@nospam.signaltreesolutions.com> wrote:. >  Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> wrote:K >> There is also Adaptec 39160 with 7899G and I've seen mentioned that SRM  < >> sees 39160 as KZPEA-DB. These have very much in common...J >> Our Alphas, which need faster SCSI are PWS433a(u), Alphaserver 4000 and >> AlphaStation 5000.='                   (^delete one extra 0)t8 > Careful.  The KZPEA is only supported on EV6 systems.   I I tried to scan firmware release notes to check which models have support G for KZPEA. But they've done an UNBELIEVABLY STUPID THING to not deliver ) firmware docs as text files any more! :-( D Took me maybe 2 hours to see that only some of EV6 models have KZPEAI support in firmware. And even now I'm not quite sure. With search throughS5 text files it would be couple of minutes or seconds. l  H I don't understand why there's an obsession to make every file as prettyJ printable document. And I don't quite agree with that "prettynes". We have an old saying in finnish:   + "Tarkoituksenmukainen kalu on aina kaunis."$   Trying to put it in english: a  H A thing (tool,gadget...) well suited to its purpose is always beautiful.  E This is not a meaningless detail, but one of those that make me feel )0 that I'm not welcome to HPQ as a (VMS) customer.   > Dunno whether it< > works despite the lack of support on older systems or not.  E Might work for other but booting, and might work as slower than U160.b  F BTW. I found a mention that KZPEA is known to PC164LX SRM V5.8-1, but - found nothing about it in firmware documents.o1 http://moon.hanya-n.org/comp/alpha/hct/scsi.html     Osmo   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 07:50:53 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)>* Subject: Re: Restricted Login Terminations3 Message-ID: <3+caFPWq0r7E@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  e In article <af0dc2ea.0207010734.18a4d866@posting.google.com>, whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) writes:p > . >  "Users still logged in when the access time- >  has expired... their process is terminatede >  by the job controller"a > + >  How does this termination occur? Are alli+ >  buffers flushed, and such, or is there ah >  chance of file corruption?e  H    File corruption on VMS?  Are you out of your freakin' head, or just a    newbie here?-  D    Termination will force image rundown followed by process rundown.F    This means system provided rundown handlers, such as RMS and/or XQPC    closing of files, will execute.  I don't recall, user-mode exit nG    handlers may be skipped.  This means any data which the application iE    caches could be lost, but no data which has been sent to the file      system will be lost.i  H    The principle is simple:  in VMS like most modern OS (even UNIX) you I    cannot really kill a process, you can only tap it on the shoulder and  F    request that it commit suicide.  all normal exit code tends to get     called during the suicide.u   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 09:56:08 -0600d- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t* Subject: Re: Restricted Login Terminations3 Message-ID: <uMXBbTY+VFZ1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3+caFPWq0r7E@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:u  J >    The principle is simple:  in VMS like most modern OS (even UNIX) you K >    cannot really kill a process, you can only tap it on the shoulder and gH >    request that it commit suicide.  all normal exit code tends to get  >    called during the suicide.1  	 Oh yeah ?2  9 Then what about that power cord leading to the wall ? :-)7  C Seriously, VMS does a pretty good job in that case too, but through @ a different set of mechanisms (RMS, Rdb and DBMS careful write).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:50:09 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: Restricted Login Terminations) Message-ID: <3D21AF91.F2FCB240@127.0.0.1>b   DL Phillips wrote: >  > VMS v6.2 & up: > / >  When a user's login has /noaccess times set,  >  the FM says:n > . >  "Users still logged in when the access time- >  has expired... their process is terminated  >  by the job controller"i > + >  How does this termination occur? Are allS+ >  buffers flushed, and such, or is there a  >  chance of file corruption?   D I was waiting for another response and Bob has given you an accurateE summation of the conditions. File corruption doesn't happen here, notn' even usually during hostile conditions.   H If you're looking for anything documented, consider the materials around? application design in a VMScluster environment. It is up to thetD application to maintain data integrity using journalling, before and" after image [transaction] logging.  > As Bob says, when a process is told to go, it is asked to. AnyF outstanding IO causes a RWAST status, VMS holds onto that transaction,4 and the accepted way to deal with this is to reboot.  F Imagine now your user was in the middle of keying a transaction. Well,E obviously it would not be idle so long, unless they walked away for aiE long time. Then, is it a completed transaction or not? Well obviouslyhG not. Killing the process will lose the transaction context, but I doubt D if that context even exists in the head of the user that walked away from the terminal.  E In the context of your question, you set up access times based around G that users working day, so when termination time comes, you expect that&H user to be at home. If the janitor comes in and tidies the desk, then itE would be up to the user to have put away what they will need tomorrow0C safely, otherwise if they leave a job half completed in a state anyBH interference will affect the outcome of the job, then they are not doingD their job well. It is NOT the janitors fault. [Janitor === Operating system access authorization]  H Certainly with a computer session, leaving something partly completed is@ very bad practice. However, with VMS, it does a very good job ofC maintaining partial contexts, e.g. editor journals. It is also more F likely that the communication path or the power supporting any sessionF will fail before the system does. This can lead to the bad practice of leaving sessions logged in  ? Have no fear using the operating system to police your securitytG requirements, it will not do it at the cost of your data, after all, it/ is what it is protecting.t   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:19:25 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: Re: Restricted Login Terminations) Message-ID: <3D21C47D.2BC51457@127.0.0.1>b   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > e > In article <3+caFPWq0r7E@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:2 > K > >    The principle is simple:  in VMS like most modern OS (even UNIX) youmL > >    cannot really kill a process, you can only tap it on the shoulder andI > >    request that it commit suicide.  all normal exit code tends to geto! > >    called during the suicide.o >  > Oh yeah ?. > ; > Then what about that power cord leading to the wall ? :-)   % You forgot about the powerfail IPL...h  E > Seriously, VMS does a pretty good job in that case too, but throughfB > a different set of mechanisms (RMS, Rdb and DBMS careful write).   And the powerfail IPL.   [Internals and Datastructures] -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:13:37 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>0+ Subject: Re: Sun benchmarketeering campaignz0 Message-ID: <afs8u2$g6h$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:t  Y > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes:y >  > * >>I await your answer with great interest. >> > F > Perhaps you can read the Sun Bumph about their TPC-H results to pass- > the time? 26% better than x86 with a 15K...e >  >     @ 26% better throughput with 72 vs 128 CPU's and a 35% better cost per TPC-H I guess thats OK.d  < TCO on the Sun will also be way lower it takes up less space< and there is only one instance of Solaris vs 32 instances of Windows2000 to manage.   Regardss Andrew Harrisons   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 03:41:33 -0400t* From: "Stewart, Bill" <wjs-corp@Kaman.com>> Subject: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus: Message-ID: <1E4B06029E11D211B47C0000F8207F4DB31E9E@ESKC2>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  & --Boundary_(ID_IFgXR1+M3QnNc8ihSCp4TQ), Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT5  L We had a crash in a 3 alpha cluster.  The crash dump called out one of the 4K cpus on the alpha 4100.  After the cpu was replaced, we can not reboot.  It.K hangs trying to join the cluster.  If I boot it min and set vaxcluster to 0o5 it comes up. here is what the normal boot looks like:c  y=     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  ????s ???? ??/ %SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #01 message:   P01>>>START?? / %SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #02 message:   P02>>>START??u/ %SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #03 message:   P03>>>START??m3 %SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #01 has joined the active set.??r3 %SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #02 has joined the active set.??i3 %SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #03 has joined the active set.??f8 %SYSINIT-I- waiting to form or join an OpenVMS Cluster??@ %VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database??; %EWA0, FastFD(Full Duplex 100baseTX) mode set by console???sC %CNXMAN,  Sending VMScluster membership request to system AXP009???r4 %CNXMAN,  Now a VMScluster member -- system AXP006??    Here is what I get now.t  L=     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  ????d ???? ??/ %SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #01 message:   P01>>>START??g/ %SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #02 message:   P02>>>START??t/ %SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #03 message:   P03>>>START??t3 %SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #01 has joined the active set.??b3 %SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #02 has joined the active set.?? 3 %SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #03 has joined the active set.?? 8 %SYSINIT-I- waiting to form or join an OpenVMS Cluster??@ %VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database??9 %MSCPLOAD-I-CONFIGSCAN, enabled automatic disk serving??? - %CNXMAN,  Have connection to system AXP008???r4 %CNXMAN,  Have connection to system AXP009??????????  k  c  Anyone out there have any ideas?   Bill Stewart   :-) s       & --Boundary_(ID_IFgXR1+M3QnNc8ihSCp4TQ)+ Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1e Content-transfer-encoding: 7BITe  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">    < <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4725.2100" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY>P <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=548383407-02072002>We had a crash in a P 3 alpha cluster.&nbsp; The crash dump called out one of the 4 cpus on the alpha Q 4100.&nbsp; After the cpu was replaced, we can not reboot.&nbsp; It hangs trying aQ to join the cluster.&nbsp; If I boot it min and set vaxcluster to 0 it comes up. m< here is what the normal boot looks like:</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN l3 class=548383407-02072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>hO <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=548383407-02072002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  : OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1&nbsp; ~ &#9229;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;<BR>&#9229;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;<BR>&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #01 message:&nbsp;&nbsp; R P01&gt;&gt;&gt;START&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #02 message:&nbsp;&nbsp; R P02&gt;&gt;&gt;START&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #03 message:&nbsp;&nbsp; S P03&gt;&gt;&gt;START&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #01 has joined the active mh set.&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #02 has joined the active set.&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-CPUTRN, [ CPU #03 has joined the active set.&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SYSINIT-I- waiting to form or join an cW OpenVMS Cluster&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security uK database&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%EWA0, FastFD(Full Duplex 100baseTX) mode set by p_ console&#9229;&#9252;&#1567;<BR>%CNXMAN,&nbsp; Sending VMScluster membership request to system eP AXP009&#9229;&#9252;&#1567;<BR>%CNXMAN,&nbsp; Now a VMScluster member -- system ( AXP006&#9229;&#9252;</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN w3 class=548383407-02072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>iO <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=548383407-02072002>Here is what I get   now.</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN s3 class=548383407-02072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> O <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=548383407-02072002>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; t: OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1&nbsp; ~ &#9229;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;<BR>&#9229;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;<BR>&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #01 message:&nbsp;&nbsp; R P01&gt;&gt;&gt;START&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #02 message:&nbsp;&nbsp; R P02&gt;&gt;&gt;START&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #03 message:&nbsp;&nbsp; S P03&gt;&gt;&gt;START&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #01 has joined the active  h set.&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #02 has joined the active set.&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SMP-I-CPUTRN, [ CPU #03 has joined the active set.&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%SYSINIT-I- waiting to form or join an -W OpenVMS Cluster&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security tI database&#9229;&#9252;<BR>%MSCPLOAD-I-CONFIGSCAN, enabled automatic disk pI serving&#9229;&#9252;&#1567;<BR>%CNXMAN,&nbsp; Have connection to system EH AXP008&#9229;&#9252;&#1567;<BR>%CNXMAN,&nbsp; Have connection to system ` AXP009&#9229;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;&#9252;&#9229;&#9252;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>0 <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>0 <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>M <DIV><SPAN class=548383407-02072002><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone out there  # have any ideas?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>eP <P><B><FONT face="Monotype Corsiva" size=4>Bill Stewart</FONT><FONT face=Script > size=4>&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT> <FONT face=Wingdings color=#0000ff  size=6>J</FONT></B> </P>> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>  ( --Boundary_(ID_IFgXR1+M3QnNc8ihSCp4TQ)--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:38:39 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)B Subject: Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpusK Message-ID: <rdeininger-0207020738390001@1cust235.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>e  J In article <1E4B06029E11D211B47C0000F8207F4DB31E9E@ESKC2>, "Stewart, Bill" <wjs-corp@Kaman.com> wrote:s  K >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand = >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.-  B We prefer plain text here, not MIME.  Please adjust your mail/news software. Thanks.  ,    ' >--Boundary_(ID_IFgXR1+M3QnNc8ihSCp4TQ) - >Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1   >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT  H I realize it was probably not intentional on your part, but this bordersB on insane. 7-bit plain text doesn't need to be encoded, since MIME5 encoding results in 7-bit plain text.  (Shakes head.)o    M >We had a crash in a 3 alpha cluster.  The crash dump called out one of the 4sL >cpus on the alpha 4100.  After the cpu was replaced, we can not reboot.  ItL >hangs trying to join the cluster.  If I boot it min and set vaxcluster to 06 >it comes up. here is what the normal boot looks like: > > >    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  ???? >????d >??i0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #01 message:   P01>>>START??0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #02 message:   P02>>>START??0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #03 message:   P03>>>START??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #01 has joined the active set.??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #02 has joined the active set.??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #03 has joined the active set.??9 >%SYSINIT-I- waiting to form or join an OpenVMS Cluster??iA >%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database??-< >%EWA0, FastFD(Full Duplex 100baseTX) mode set by console???D >%CNXMAN,  Sending VMScluster membership request to system AXP009???5 >%CNXMAN,  Now a VMScluster member -- system AXP006??w >  >Here is what I get now. > > >    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  ???? >????. >??O0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #01 message:   P01>>>START??0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #02 message:   P02>>>START??0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #03 message:   P03>>>START??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #01 has joined the active set.??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #02 has joined the active set.??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #03 has joined the active set.??9 >%SYSINIT-I- waiting to form or join an OpenVMS Cluster??iA >%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database??E: >%MSCPLOAD-I-CONFIGSCAN, enabled automatic disk serving???. >%CNXMAN,  Have connection to system AXP008???5 >%CNXMAN,  Have connection to system AXP009??????????     J Nothing here particularly looks like a CPU problem.  All for CPUs join the4 active set, so presumably the new CPU is acceptable.  < Did you boot the same disk and system root in both examples?  ? Have you checked the network configuration?  You seem to have aoC connection, but maybe it is very sick.  In particular, in the firstiI example, you get the "fast full duplex" message, but it is missing in thenE second example.  A speed/duplex mismatch can easily make a network soe1 unreliable that cluster connections have trouble.   A The only CPU-related problem that commonly shows up is mismatches0I speed/revision/firmware among CPUs in a single system.  Did you make sure  everything matches?   ? Have you tried booting with only 3 CPUs (removing the new one)?s    ' >--Boundary_(ID_IFgXR1+M3QnNc8ihSCp4TQ)-, >Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1  >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT  J Well, now I see why Microsloth inflicted MIME on this message.  Making the> world safe for bit-bloat, they included the whole thing again!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:14:14 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>B Subject: Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus+ Message-ID: <afs5dv$lnk@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>i  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message E news:rdeininger-0207020738390001@1cust235.tnt2.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...   0 > >%CNXMAN,  Have connection to system AXP008???7 > >%CNXMAN,  Have connection to system AXP009??????????c  E The have connection messages usually indicate a connectivity problem; L look at the set of nodes on the list and the set not on the list, and see ifJ that suggests a physical network problem. It's also possible that the data@ structures describing the connection are corrupted on some nodesJ i.e. those not listed; rebooting them may be easiest, if practical in your environment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:08:46 -0400 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>dB Subject: Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus2 Message-ID: <3D2197CE.951E0600@firstdbasource.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:  > L > In article <1E4B06029E11D211B47C0000F8207F4DB31E9E@ESKC2>, "Stewart, Bill" > <wjs-corp@Kaman.com> wrote:i > M > >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understandh? > >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.e > D > We prefer plain text here, not MIME.  Please adjust your mail/news > software. Thanks.u > >o> >    OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1  ???? >????  >??o0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #01 message:   P01>>>START??0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #02 message:   P02>>>START??0 >%SMP-I-SECMSG, CPU #03 message:   P03>>>START??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #01 has joined the active set.??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #02 has joined the active set.??4 >%SMP-I-CPUTRN, CPU #03 has joined the active set.??9 >%SYSINIT-I- waiting to form or join an OpenVMS Cluster??sA >%VMScluster-I-LOADSECDB, loading the cluster security database?? < >%EWA0, FastFD(Full Duplex 100baseTX) mode set by console???D >%CNXMAN,  Sending VMScluster membership request to system AXP009???5 >%CNXMAN,  Now a VMScluster member -- system AXP006??i >   A Since CPU00 is the first one, and 1,2,3 join, that looks like all 	 4 to me.. < Looks like the network card may not be seated properly as it. never gets set before trying join the cluster. -- a Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163.7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comd                           + http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlc/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:48:45 -0400i1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> B Subject: Re: Trying to reboot an alpha after replacing 1 of 4 cpus2 Message-ID: <3D21BD4D.FE82FA70@clarityconnect.com>  E The symptoms in this report very much point to a mismatch between NICtD settings and port settings.  If the NIC is at 10/half and the switchF port is at 100/full you will get enough SCS messages thru to the otherF nodes to establish a connection but from then on it will bo so slow asE to appear hung.  Follow Robert's advice and verify the network setup.c   Robert Deininger wrote: A > Have you checked the network configuration?  You seem to have ayE > connection, but maybe it is very sick.  In particular, in the firsteK > example, you get the "fast full duplex" message, but it is missing in thesG > second example.  A speed/duplex mismatch can easily make a network sos3 > unreliable that cluster connections have trouble.u >    --  C Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYc0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or soi 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 07:07:53 GMTt3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)m Subject: Re: UAF questions0 Message-ID: <afrjg9$fiu$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   In article <20020702044442.48247.qmail@web21009.mail.yahoo.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> writes:i >Hello all,n5 >I am trying to add users with sys$system:authorize. e >d6 >Now using SYSTEM account I log in and start AUTHORIZE4 >program. I want to change the default directory for3 >the DEFAULT user (because by default all users area$ >created right under sys$device, eg, >sys$device:[NITIN]).  >N5 >Our machine has only one disk. I want all users have 6 >their login directories under one USER directory. For4 >example, for SAM the login directory path would be , >sys$device:[USER.SAM]. For TOM it should be >sys$device:[USER.TOM].  > ' >So while in UAF, should I do the foll:b& >MODIFY DEFAULT /DIRECTORY=[USER.USER]7 >so that user 'X' can be created as sys$device:[USER.X]o   For an existing user do O   MODIFY existing_username /DIRECTORY=[USER.existing_user]/device=sys$sysdeviceN	 Otherwise >   ADD new_user /DIRECTORY=[USER.new_user]/device=sys$sysdevice   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannc  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:46:36 -0500/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>2 Subject: RE: UAF questionsT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C5D2@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  L A cleaner solution would be to create a concealed-device logical that pointsK to the directory where you want the users' directories to reside.  That wayeI if you get additional disk drives and want to move the users' directoriessK then you just change where the logical points and you do not have to modifytI all the accounts in the UAF.  Section 6.3.3 of the "Guide to OpenVMS File H Applications" explains how to set up a rooted-device logical name.  This@ guide can be found via the link to the OpenVMS documentation at:  <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/>   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**n     > -----Original Message-----B > From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de [mailto:gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de]& > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:08 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: UAF questions >  > 
 > In article g8 > <20020702044442.48247.qmail@web21009.mail.yahoo.com>, % > =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= r' > <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> writes:r
 > >Hello all,l7 > >I am trying to add users with sys$system:authorize. g > >38 > >Now using SYSTEM account I log in and start AUTHORIZE6 > >program. I want to change the default directory for5 > >the DEFAULT user (because by default all users aret& > >created right under sys$device, eg, > >sys$device:[NITIN]).  > >e7 > >Our machine has only one disk. I want all users havei8 > >their login directories under one USER directory. For6 > >example, for SAM the login directory path would be . > >sys$device:[USER.SAM]. For TOM it should be > >sys$device:[USER.TOM].  > >e) > >So while in UAF, should I do the foll:m( > >MODIFY DEFAULT /DIRECTORY=[USER.USER]9 > >so that user 'X' can be created as sys$device:[USER.X]s >  > For an existing user doP >   MODIFY existing_username h6 > /DIRECTORY=[USER.existing_user]/device=sys$sysdevice > Otherwisef@ >   ADD new_user /DIRECTORY=[USER.new_user]/device=sys$sysdevice > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmannc >  > -- aG > --------------------------------------------------------------------+A? > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   C
 > Fax: -452 |M@ > | Immunbiologie                                                >          |, > | Postfach 1169                 Internet:   > gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |@ > | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                   >          |@ > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html  > ---------+ >    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 08:41:52 -0700s& From: dorrt@sutterhealth.org (tr dorr)! Subject: Re: Unable to ZIP a filea< Message-ID: <59b7bbb8.0207020741.caf6b44@posting.google.com>   David:A Using Level=8 worked. I could not find any reference for Level 8.e What does Level 8 do?g Thanks,X Tom   = "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message o > ) > $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/VMS archive_name filespece > 	 >  - or -a > # > $ ZIP "-8V" archive_name filespecn >  > >   adding: WPAYQHOK.DAT   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:04:48 +02002 From: "Frits A.M. Storms" <frits@storms.tmfweb.nl>4 Subject: Using GNU C on OpenVMS FAQ (Looking for it)? Message-ID: <3d2189aa$0$94890$e4fe514c@dreader3.news.xs4all.nl>   K Checked Richard Levitte's site http://www.levitte.org, it has a link to the=K site I think the FAQ must reside: http://vms.gnu.org but this link seems tos
 be broken.& The frequently asked question I have :6 When linking the object of the small c-program below : #include <stdio.h> main( )  {g     printf("Hello World !\n"); }s   When $ LINK/NOTRACE HELLO I get :t< %LINK-W-USRTFR, image HELLO.EXE has no user transfer address  H This error is to be ignored if you want a shareable image that cannot be= started on it's own but in this case I cannot run HELLO.EXE :2! %DCL-E-NOTFR, no transfer addresss  H Could someone point me to the FAQ or mail me a copy or tell me what I am> doing wrong (if that is at all possible with this much code) ? Please ? Frits Storms* (mailto:frits@storms.tmfweb.nl or my work:( mailto:frits.storms@rijnmond.politie.nl)   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 08:20:25 -07009$ From: petr.danecek@centrum.cz (Petr) Subject: vms binary files&= Message-ID: <509524e9.0207020720.71761f69@posting.google.com>    Hello, e  F I've run into some binary data files suffixed as "vmsbin" which I need
 to decode.B There is a file format description included, but it does not agree with the files.t$ (Even the file sizes are different.)  D As I do not know anything about the vms systems, my question is mostD probably stupid: What happens if one writes a sequence of bytes on a vms system and then&E transfers it to a pc? Will there be just the same sequence or will itq be prefixedm1 with some records, fields or something like that?o  
 Thank you, Petr   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:14:39 +0000 (UTC)* From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi>) Subject: Re: VMS IO up to the level of PCa, Message-ID: <afs8vv$vdp$2@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>    lbohan@dbc..spamless..com wrote:6 > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:25:05 +0000 (UTC), Osmo Kujala! > <kujala@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> wrote:D ... J >>About net cards: Intel based DE600-cards have chips i82559,i82558. WhichH >>                 commodity intel-cards would work for VMS and what areB >>                 their names? (NC3123,NC3131... for Compaq PC:s) ...>D > I've used the following in DS20/DS20E'S, and a PC164 based system.? > (DE600-AA).  if you do network boots, you'll probably need tot+ > double check your systems; firmware rev. , ...#+ > NC3123 Fast Ethernet NIC PCI 10/100 WOL	 T  G Okay. I didn't consider DE600/NC3123 as commodity card, but actually it94 seems to be for sale as cheap as under $10 used. :-)   Osmo   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:50:31 GMT9! From: Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net>f Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM mode&> Message-ID: <Xns923F63DBD3E76acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  4 Jeffrey Chimene <jec@nospam.net> enlightened us with+ news:874rfilmmh.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net: #  ) > "-Andy-" <acs@fcgnet.works.net> writes:n > > >> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> enlightened us with( >> news:3D1CAB82.564BBC92@videotron.ca:  >> & >> > Dave Greenwood wrote:> >> >> XDM is not needed - you can probably start telnet or rsh< >> >> sessions on the hosts of your choice from the emulator >> >> without using XDM. c >> > 8A >> > Well, I genereally start the session from my VMS workstationy" >> > to pop the windows oh my MAC. >>  > >> That's fine but what if you want to use a window manager on? >> your VMS machine instead of whatever you have on your Mac ? f    > Do you really want to do this?   Yes :-).  8 > The performance would probably not be very acceptable.  ? > Technically, it's very cool, but the performance is less thana
 > real-time.    5 I would settle for "it's kind of neat" at this point.b  @ > There are probably other techniques in OS X that allow this to> > occur. Your Xserver will allow a remote client to manage its
 > desktop.  5 That is my goal.... sort of. When using X in Mac OS X88 with my VMS system I would prefer to use the CDE desktop9 that I already have configured instead the window managerl I have on my Mac.     9 > That said, it can be a very unsecure configuration in al > hostile environment.  6 The only "hostile" critter on my LAN is my W2K latptop= that connects to my ISP. My Mac and Alpha (and a couple VAXen < when they are turned on) don't have access to the internet.   	 > I don'tgB > know about the OS X, but login &c is probably handled during the > machine boot.   	 Correct. t  1 > In that environment, the X Window GUI is merelyn? > one of several GUI choices; does the machine in question boot > > directly into X, or is the X environment invoked on demand?   D On demand. Mac OS X boots into 'Aqua' unless you intentionally turn 6 that off (At which point you might as well run Linux).  C For all intents and purposes, Mac OS X IS Unix. Sure, it has a Macha? kernel and a custom GUI and it does things in a similar fashion 6 to NextStep (a distant ancestor) but it's mostly Unix.  B > Now, does OS X have a username/password facility during its boot: > sequence? If so, can you replace that facility with xdm?   I could but have desire to....  A > I don't really know what XDarwin is, (I'm assuming it's XFree86.
 >  for OS X),T  5 Yes. The Darwin coming from the core operating systemi in Mac OS X - Darwin.   = > but OS X already has a GUI (aqua) You can probably put X in @ > a superior position w/r/t/ aqua in the boot sequence, but from= > what little I've read, aqua is a /vastly/ superior GUI whene > compared to X. ?   I would say yes....S  s  = > My advice would be that you give up on getting xdm to work, > > because you don't really need it, and I *believe* under OS X0 > it's not required (really out on a limb here).  ? Well.... Aqua doesn't provide the ability run X applications orMA remote window managers itself. The port of XFree (XDarwin) works 08 pretty much like Xceed. It runs parallel to Aqua. And X 8 applications running in XDarwin look like X applications; (depending upon the window manager being used with XDarwin)a  5 I can start up XDarwin, log into my Alpha using xtermh0 and then start up an X session on my Alpha using dtlogin.  7 The issue is that on Mac OS X + XDarwin I don't get thet: CDE desktop I want.... just individual applications that I9 have configured to start when I start up CDE on my Alpha.C  6 On the other hand, I can do something similar, using a3 Vaxstation 4000VLC I have and I end up with the CDEm7 desktop from my Alpha running on it. Without using xdm.k    = > I'm interested in solving this problem. Apple is a critical 5 > tactic in my strategy to be Microsoft free by 2003.x   -Andy-   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jul 2002 08:05:42 -0600d- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a( Subject: Re: [OT] The Joy of ... Mergers3 Message-ID: <R0ZXP0zQ40x3@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  h In article <20020701185430.C1920@eisenschmidt.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> writes:M > I didn't see anyone post this before, and I thought you all might enjoy it.m > ; > http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/311.html-      That was good./  O >  This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.htmli  C    I had to run that through Babelfish, but it was pretty good too.t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.361 ************************