1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 364       Contents:$ Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100$ Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100$ Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100$ Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100$ Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 31004 Bios Password reset for DEC3000/400 and/or VS4000/908 Re: Bios Password reset for DEC3000/400 and/or VS4000/90 Re: CMS Question Re: CMS Question@ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC@ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC@ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC emacs ( was RE: CMS Question) ! Re: emacs ( was RE: CMS Question) ! RE: emacs ( was RE: CMS Question) $ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications... Re: fun with pipe   HP European Layoffs Target 5,900$ Re: HP European Layoffs Target 5,900! Installing Rdb on Hobbyist system % Re: Installing Rdb on Hobbyist system % Re: Installing Rdb on Hobbyist system  Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. RE: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. RE: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. Re: Microvax gathering dust... Re: Microvax gathering dust... Re: Microvax gathering dust... Re: parsing >255
 Pascal Editor  RE: Pascal Editor # Patch available for pipe limitation  Re: Second X-terminal  Re: Segmented keys Re: SMTP 8bit hack not working+ Re: Three HP Press releases (via Bloomberg) + Re: Three HP Press releases (via Bloomberg) + Re: Three HP Press releases (via Bloomberg)  Re: VMS 64bitness  Re: VMS 64bitness  Re: vms binary files Re: when is a typo not a typo?& Re: Windows 2000 -> Linux Samba -> VMS Re: wow  RE: wow  Re: wow  Re: wow  Re: [OT] AS/400 Success Story  Re: [OT] AS/400 Success Story  Re: [OT] AS/400 Success Story  Re: [OT] AS/400 Success Story   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:11:54 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100 5 Message-ID: <afvhov$hhdib$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D22BB7D.213F17BE@videotron.ca...I > Silly question, but if I connect a new SCSI device on the external SCSI  portJ > of a vaxstation 3100, can I scan the scsi bus to see what sort of device itG > is, its scsi ID etc from VMS without rebooting the machine, or must I . > absolutely go to the >>> prompt to do this ? > E > If this can be done from vax-vms, what is the name of the utility ?    >>> show dev    With VMS running, something like   $ mc sysgen a a/l    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:23:33 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>- Subject: Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100 5 Message-ID: <afvif3$hmc8c$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   = Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message ' news:3D232301.B0C7AFC@mindspring.com...  > Randy Park wrote:  > ; > > I have personally done this with my VaxStation 3100/30. ? > > To be successful, I make sure that no processes are active, ; > > particularly accessing a SCSI I/O device.  I would then > > > carefully, but very quickly, remove the terminator, insert> > > the new device, and replace the terminator.  Better if you= > > have two terminators so as to elminate the last step.  Be ; > > cautioned that this doesn't always work, and the system  > > could freeze up. > * > You can actually buy aftermarket devices. > (advertised in the Mac world, at least) that. > interpose some sort of gadget that claims to- > allow reliable hot plugging inn an ordinary 0 > cabled-together SCSI system. I've never looked6 > into the technical details of what these gadgets do. >  > Atlant >   I Hot plugging new devices works well provided you do it the way Randy Park 
 explained.J I have a DAT tapedrive (TLZ04 or so, in a HP - like cabinet) and switch it among a 3100 M48, 4 a 4000-60 and a 4000-90A and with VMS (7.2) running.L After that all it takes is $ mc sysgen a a/l and the tapedrive is available. OK it takes a little cautionK and it is not something you should do on a business critical system I guess 
 but it works. E I wouldn't even think of trying this on an Microsoft o/s (on Alpha or  Intel).    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:37:40 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> - Subject: Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100 ' Message-ID: <3D235284.1829FEF1@aaa.com>   9 To have a hot-plugable, movable tape drive shared between 9 more then one system, I use to (if the system allowes it) = install a separate SCSI interface only used by the tape drive : (or maybe shared with e.g. a CD where I have total control8 on the I/O). That way there will be no interference with% any disk I/O going on on each system.   A Now, this might not be possible in a VAXstation 3100, but I think A I had a MicroVAX 3100/90 with an extra SCSI controller... (A hell D of a workhorse, b.t.w, run DEC/EDI, Rdb, a bunch of users, differentA IBM communication emulators, > 200 printer queues, Pathworks with B aprox 200 clients in 120MB mem without any problems. 24 VUPS in a  tabletop box...)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Hans Vlems wrote:  > K > Hot plugging new devices works well provided you do it the way Randy Park  > explained.L > I have a DAT tapedrive (TLZ04 or so, in a HP - like cabinet) and switch it > among a 3100 M48, 6 > a 4000-60 and a 4000-90A and with VMS (7.2) running.N > After that all it takes is $ mc sysgen a a/l and the tapedrive is available. > OK it takes a little cautionM > and it is not something you should do on a business critical system I guess  > but it works. G > I wouldn't even think of trying this on an Microsoft o/s (on Alpha or 	 > Intel).  >  > Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:25:41 GMT # From: "mhr" <mreilly36@comcast.net> - Subject: Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100 B Message-ID: <pZJU8.529663$Gs.35825508@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  H Interesting that one can use both SE and DIFF (but not at the same time)L drives  (RZ26 as well as Fujitsu 2694) on 3100 boxes. Could never figure out5 why I couldn't get that scsi cont in other vms boxes.  mhr : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:KapSzyuM0JnN@eisner.encompasserve.org... 7 > In article <3D22BB7D.213F17BE@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:K > > Silly question, but if I connect a new SCSI device on the external SCSI  portL > > of a vaxstation 3100, can I scan the scsi bus to see what sort of device itI > > is, its scsi ID etc from VMS without rebooting the machine, or must I 0 > > absolutely go to the >>> prompt to do this ? > > G > > If this can be done from vax-vms, what is the name of the utility ?  > J >    You cannot safely attach a SCSI device to this bus with the power on." >    Booting becomes a moot point. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:12:11 GMT # From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> - Subject: Re: Adding a SCSI to VAXstation 3100 - Message-ID: <3D23A0D9.734F6A2B@earthlink.net>    Atlant Schmidt wrote:  >  > Nic Clews wrote: > L > > *IF* you plug in a SCSI device to a bus, while a command is in progress,I > > you run the risk of bugchecking the box. This is from a field service K > > guy who knows his stuff. By and large, VMS manages to deal with it, and 4 > > providing you're quick, you'll get away with it. > . > The question of whether or not you'll glitch' > an ongoing-transaction and whether or / > notthat glitch will matter is a pretty subtle  > question.   J This has worked for me on both SCSI and Emulex controllers interfaced with	 DR-11W's: ) 1) Get on the console and halt the CPU.    2) fiddle with the device. 3) "C" on the console.  C No guarantees but generally achieves the goal of zero bus activity.    -- Aaron Sliwinski  J PS. I'm talking about fiddling on the disk side of the Emulex controllers.J Unplugging/Plugging a device on a DR-11W will probably confuse the DR-11W.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:27:03 -0400! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> = Subject: Bios Password reset for DEC3000/400 and/or VS4000/90 + Message-ID: <afvq56$al5$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   D I have set up to VMS workstation on the above machine.  I everythingK installed and the BIOS password is not set right now.  But I don't know the ; old password in order to change and enable it.  Anybody????    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:43:19 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)A Subject: Re: Bios Password reset for DEC3000/400 and/or VS4000/90 J Message-ID: <rdeininger-0307021943200001@1cust96.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  N In article <afvq56$al5$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> wrote:  E >I have set up to VMS workstation on the above machine.  I everything L >installed and the BIOS password is not set right now.  But I don't know the< >old password in order to change and enable it.  Anybody????  E Please describe the current state of the console ("BIOS") password in C detail, and explain what you want to do, and maybe we can help you.   G The DEC 3000 needs a jumper set a certain way, plus a couple of console H commands, to enable the console password.  Disabling the password if you3 don't know it requires one additional bit of magic.   * I don't know about the VAXstation offhand.  G Do you really need a console password?  Anyone with enough knowledge to F break into VMS from the console probably also knows how to disable theC console password.  Maybe what you need is an armed guard to prevent  physical access to the machine.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:01:10 GMT & From: Jeffrey Chimene <jec@nospam.net> Subject: Re: CMS Question 2 Message-ID: <87ofdo65io.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   H > What I ended up doing, was fetching *.* to a temporary directory wrote; > some magical emacs macros and achieved my circuitous goal   F Mumble $!% CMS! $^*!!! I don't think it's circuitous at all. It's just that CMS is such a POS.    --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:04:28 GMT & From: Jeffrey Chimene <jec@nospam.net> Subject: Re: CMS Question 2 Message-ID: <87lm8s65d6.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   H > What I ended up doing, was fetching *.* to a temporary directory wrote; > some magical emacs macros and achieved my circuitous goal    BTW, I forgot:  ' <ahe voice="loud">All hail Emacs!</ahe>    --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 14:26:36 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) I Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC 3 Message-ID: <51S1zADmHG$N@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D2330E5.80A96575@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:M >>         The fact that VMS is coming to Industry Standard servers is a very  >>         big plus. > M > Until IA64 becomes industry standard, you cannot consider that VMS is being K > ported to an industry standard platform. As of now, it is very much an HP H > proprietary platform developped by Intel and very much NOT an industry > standard one.  > ? > Port to the 8086 and then that might be an industry standard.  > K > Heck, I'd consider Sparc to be more industry standard than IA64. And had  N > Alpha not been murdered last year, it would still be more industry standard  > than IA64. > ; > Don't sell the bear's skin until you've killled the bear.   = 	But that isn't the way the game is played.  Intel will spend G 	a great deal of money touting IA64 as industry standard.  The rest of  @ 	the industry can spend considerably less declaring IA64 as not E 	industry standard but they won't as it doesn't make for good use of  F 	funds.  So the reality will be that most of the folks out there will E 	view IA64 as industry standard as the many ads they see will say so.   B 	Supporting evidence that will be touted will be the many OSes and; 	manufacturers that support IA64 kit.  So there is a strong E 	case to be made.  Last I checked Power4 and UltraSparc had far fewer + 	OSes to offer and far fewer manufacturers.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:53:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> I Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC + Message-ID: <3D237247.904F100@videotron.ca>    Rob Young wrote:F >         But that isn't the way the game is played.  Intel will spendC >         a great deal of money touting IA64 as industry standard.    E As long as Intel remains IA64's sole manufacturer and as long as only N expensive systems are built with that chip, Intel will simply lose credibilityJ if it claims it is industry standard. As long as the 8086 remains the massI production architecture, then the 8086 will remain the industry standard.   N >         funds.  So the reality will be that most of the folks out there willN >         view IA64 as industry standard as the many ads they see will say so.  X If IA64 isn't called "Pentium" then most of the folks won't see it as industry standard.  K >         Supporting evidence that will be touted will be the many OSes and D >         manufacturers that support IA64 kit.  So there is a strongN >         case to be made.  Last I checked Power4 and UltraSparc had far fewer4 >         OSes to offer and far fewer manufacturers.  N Ia64 won't have more OSes than Alpha would have had if Tandem had been allowedJ to port to Alpha and Compaq not "killed" Windows on Alpha. And it terms ofL manufacturers, only HP has made huge commitments to IA64, all the others areA standing by in the sidelines waiting to see what happens to IA64.   L Did the DS10 win significant market share ? IA64 woN't be any different fromJ the DS10. It won't get low end/"competitive enough to steal sales from theH mainstream industry standard 8086 stuff. And I reaklly doubt that the HPK commodity folks will let the enterprise IA64 folks steal from their market, L especially when the commodity folks are having a hard time turning a profit. Dj Vue all over again.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:59:31 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>I Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC C Message-ID: <CdMU8.261480$_j6.13024545@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:51S1zADmHG$N@eisner.encompasserve.org...    ...   4 > Last I checked Power4 and UltraSparc had far fewer, > OSes to offer and far fewer manufacturers.  J Looks as if it may be time for another in the increasingly-frequent series: of reality checks w.r.t. comments made by Itanic boosters.  L IIRC, Itanic currently can boast being supported by Linux (and possibly someF *BSDs which I'll just lump into the same open-source slot), HP-UX, andL Windows XP Limited Edition, though the latter two (and *certainly* the last)K may fall into the 'sort of' rather than 'full' support category at present. K I make that 3 (if you wish to be generous) OSs; two or three years from now F a couple more are planned, but your comment was phrased in the present tense.  L POWER4 is I believe the underlying architecture for IBM's i-Series platformsJ (AS400), is certainly the architecture for IBM's p-Series platforms (AIX),F is (I think already, since I'm not sure how they would have moved to aK 64-bit environment without it, but I'm not that familiar with details here) H the architecture for IBM's z-Series platforms (zOS, the operating systemL formerly known as OS/390 plus variants), and is certainly supported by LinuxA (and possibly some *BSDs which again I'll just lump into the same I open-source slot).  I make that 4 OSs right off the bat, not counting OSs K supported by other POWER variants (e.g., Mac's OS X and a bunch of embedded > products).  Last I knew, 4 OSs was not 'far fewer' than 3 OSs.  K For that matter, UltraSPARC is supported at least by both Solaris and Linux-L (and I strongly suspect at least some of the *BSDs, but again I'll just lumpG them in with Linux).  Last I knew, 2 OSs was not 'far fewer' than 3 OSss either.a  E Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that by 'far fewer G manufacturers' you were referring to *system* manufacturers rather thanrL *processor* manufacturere (since of course Itanic has but a single processorD manufacturer, who exhibits no inclination to share it with the otherI children even should they wish to).  Dell has just announced that it willnJ not list Itanic2 systems until there's some reason to believe people mightD actually want to buy them in significant volumes.  HP and Intel willH certainly sell them (or at least make them available for purchase shouldH buyers materialize) and IBM, while less of a cheerleader, will be there,E which makes 3.  SGI (having been significantly wounded by its earlieruD associations with Itanic) would perhaps bring the numerical total toL something like 3.5 if it does jump on the Itanic2 bandwagon (such as it is).  J UltraSPARC systems are sold by both Sun and Fujitsu/Fujitsu-Siemens that II know of.  3.5 Itanic2 system manufacturers still seems to me to be just a I bit low for 2 UltraSPARC system manufacturers to be 'far fewer' than, butoE may be large enough for 1 POWER4 system manufacturer (though that onetK manufacturer *is* IBM) to be 'far fewer' than, though again that's ignoringt8 the people building systems out of other POWER variants.  K Sounds as if you're once again trying to palm off your vision of the future  as present-day fact, Rob.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:13:46 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: emacs ( was RE: CMS Question)9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEKJFEAA.tom@kednos.com>.  F I wish we had something newer on VMS, I was hoping Roar Thronaes wouldL succede with his port.  If you haven't tried it, Xemacs on W2k.  When I haveJ serious editing to do, I move the files to Tru64 to 20.7 with electric-pli andc electric-c modes.   I The problem, as I have said before, is not porting emacs itself (although-J it is very welcome) but providing an environment to facilitate the porting? of a whole bunch of code from the unix world.  IBM has done it.8  	 configure@ make install (sigh!)   >-----Original Message-----m% >From: jchimene@Alethion.systasis.netwD >[mailto:jchimene@Alethion.systasis.net]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Chimene( >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:04 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Re: CMS Question >  >-& >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >-I >> What I ended up doing, was fetching *.* to a temporary directory wrotes< >> some magical emacs macros and achieved my circuitous goal >o >BTW, I forgot:  >I( ><ahe voice="loud">All hail Emacs!</ahe> >e >--a >Microsoft Free By 2003e >D >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.i; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002  >> --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:34:29 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>* Subject: Re: emacs ( was RE: CMS Question)0 Message-ID: <3D236D34.60B16F39@blueyonder.co.uk>   Tom Linden wrote:A >    K > The problem, as I have said before, is not porting emacs itself (althoughrL > it is very welcome) but providing an environment to facilitate the portingA > of a whole bunch of code from the unix world.  IBM has done it.n >   gF Isn't that what COE is for VMS? Isn't it included in VMS 7.3-1? If I'm/ right, then OpenVMS enginering has done it too.    Regards,   -- s tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk    F * tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:47:23 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>t* Subject: RE: emacs ( was RE: CMS Question)9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIKEKPFEAA.tom@kednos.com>h  + Well, we'll find out when we get to try it.c   >-----Original Message-----a< >From: Tim Llewellyn [mailto:tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk]' >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:34 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ >Subject: Re: emacs ( was RE: CMS Question)i >t >. >  >u >Tom Linden wrote: >> >uL >> The problem, as I have said before, is not porting emacs itself (althoughA >> it is very welcome) but providing an environment to facilitatet >the portingB >> of a whole bunch of code from the unix world.  IBM has done it. >> >uG >Isn't that what COE is for VMS? Isn't it included in VMS 7.3-1? If I'm 0 >right, then OpenVMS enginering has done it too. >a	 >Regards,e >i >--m >tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uks > G >* tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk address will cease to work June 2002 *c >e >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.t; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).tA >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002a >a --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:48:50 GMTt0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...c0 Message-ID: <3d237306.2329119@news.easynews.com>  4 On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:35:57 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:e  > >"Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in message4 >news:3d21d399.2045345781@proxy.news.easynews.com...I >> VMS still carries around its neck the dual albatrosses of tons of codew@ >> in VAX MACRO and BLISS, and last time I looked the proportionC >> of the former was still growing relative to code in BLISS and C.tC >> There is still no concerted effort to rewrite the VAX MACRO intoiC >> a HLL, and effort IMO that should have been started 15 years agot >> and finished a decade ago.  >4 >lI >I am told that some of these albatrosses are being dealt with in the IPFg >port.  C They definitely are rewriting the code that's in "fringe languages"-E (from the volume of code written in it standpoint) such as PL/I, Ada,bB and BASIC.  Last time I looked, VMS Engineering had its hands more@ than full just with dealing with the port, let alone doing majorB rewrites.  If there is major rewriting going on, that's good news.   -----------  Remove 'Z' to send me email. -----------a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:54:04 GMTf0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...h0 Message-ID: <3d2373fe.2576815@news.easynews.com>  E On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:34:28 -0400, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Roberta Deininger) wrote:b  : >In article <3d21d399.2045345781@proxy.news.easynews.com>,2 >prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) wrote: >d >iB >>I don't see anything going on that will significantly change the< >>difficulty of porting VMS to other hardware architectures. >>H >>VMS still carries around its neck the dual albatrosses of tons of code? >>in VAX MACRO and BLISS, and last time I looked the proportioneB >>of the former was still growing relative to code in BLISS and C.B >>There is still no concerted effort to rewrite the VAX MACRO intoB >>a HLL, and effort IMO that should have been started 15 years ago >>and finished a decade ago. >eJ >I don't agree.  To port to some other platform, compilers are needed.  HPJ >already has front ends that know all these languages.  A new architectureG >would require a code generator, but 3 front ends are almost as easy toe/ >connect to a code generator as 1 front end is.I  9 You're forgetting that Compaq transferred the bulk of its = compiler personnel to Intel (I'm one of 'em).  I know what itP? took to retarget C, BLISS, and MACRO to Itanium, and I can tell6? you that there aren't enough people left behind after the Alphai= sell-out^H^H^Hoff to do another effort of that magnitude in a1> timely fashion.  I don't see HP hiring a new batch of compiler; people (assuming they can find them) to do another VMS port4
 anytime soon.s   -----------  Remove 'Z' to send me email. -----------u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:19:22 -0400T2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications... J Message-ID: <rdeininger-0307021919220001@1cust96.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  I In article <afupt1$rl0$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nicke Maclaren) wrote:    I >|> VAX MACRO, Bliss, and C are just compiled languages.  None of them iss >|> inherently unportable. >P@ >Not so.  All are mid-level languages and, as a matter of designC >policy, support inherently unportable programming paradigms.  ThiseC >shouldn't be overstressed, as experience is that it is fairly easya= >to translate even plain assembler (e.g. IBM System/370) intotA >assembler for other architectures with only a moderate amount ofe+ >manual editing, provided that it is clean.o  G Compiler folks continue to impress me.  I'm told there is a good chance3F that alpha load-locked/store-conditional code sequences written in VAXI macro may be automatically compiled into appropriate synchronization codevB for IPF.  Obviously this will require some extra effort in the IPF MACRO-32 compiler.    D >But it is NOT likely to be a simple case of recompiling.  See below >for the more detail.i > N >|> The porting obstacles are the pieces of code (in all these languages) thatI >|> explicitly depend on hardware or firmware features.  Those pieces are M >|> being found and either replaced or isolated to small, encapsulated chunks  >|> during the current port. >SC >If the code is very clean, then that could be so, but I doubt thatrC >it is that simple.  Cleaning up the code that assumes a particulareB >machine without encapsulating it is precisely the IA-64 work that5 >could be reused on POWER4, SPARC, MIPS or whatever. 2  G Pretty much what I was trying to say.  But a surprising amount of ugly, F alpha-specific stuff can be compiled on IPF with no changes or trivial changes to the source code.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:22:31 -0400c2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...tJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0307021922310001@1cust96.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  0 In article <3d22f479.19553105@news.demon.co.uk>,@ Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) wrote:    F >Just for yucks, place your filename string in storage you malloced in4 >S2 space, and use it as an input to conv$convert... >sF >Yes, it's a stupid example, and yes, it implies a lot of donkey work.E >But it is part of what would be needed to be a true 64 bit system at  >all levels. >nC >Now, is it justified in terms of ROI?  That's not for me to say ora@ >guess at -- I'm assuming that it must not be or people would be >working to fix it.p  G If customers have specific areas (like this one) where they want to seehC more 64-bit support, they need to be communicating with VMS productrJ managers, ambassadors, or somebody.  I would think requested work will getG done before unrequested work.  The "squeaky-wheel" principal applies to 6 just about everything.  Why would VMS be an exception?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:28:40 -0400a2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...yJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0307021928400001@1cust96.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  0 In article <3d2373fe.2576815@news.easynews.com>,1 prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) wrote:t    : >You're forgetting that Compaq transferred the bulk of its> >compiler personnel to Intel (I'm one of 'em).  I know what it@ >took to retarget C, BLISS, and MACRO to Itanium, and I can tell@ >you that there aren't enough people left behind after the Alpha> >sell-out^H^H^Hoff to do another effort of that magnitude in a? >timely fashion.  I don't see HP hiring a new batch of compilerg< >people (assuming they can find them) to do another VMS port >anytime soon.  G Actually, I'm not forgetting that.  Another port of VMS would have as a D prerequisite a major compiler effort.  My point is that the compilerE effort would be easier than tossing out the OS code and rewriting it.e  G If a language has a small enough body of code, it becomes worthwhile tolJ rewrite it.  But the only language in the VMS code base that is going awayF completely any time soon is PL/I, AFAIK.  And that's not for technical7 reasons, but a rotten business deal DEC made years ago.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:27:10 -0400e( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...a* Message-ID: <3D23C08E.90907@tsoft-inc.com>   Paul Winalski wrote:  G > On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:34:28 -0400, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert  > Deininger) wrote:V >  > ; >>In article <3d21d399.2045345781@proxy.news.easynews.com>, 3 >>prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) wrote:  >> >> >>C >>>I don't see anything going on that will significantly change thee= >>>difficulty of porting VMS to other hardware architectures.b >>>)I >>>VMS still carries around its neck the dual albatrosses of tons of codec@ >>>in VAX MACRO and BLISS, and last time I looked the proportionC >>>of the former was still growing relative to code in BLISS and C.sC >>>There is still no concerted effort to rewrite the VAX MACRO intoMC >>>a HLL, and effort IMO that should have been started 15 years agot >>>and finished a decade ago.K >>>aK >>I don't agree.  To port to some other platform, compilers are needed.  HPrK >>already has front ends that know all these languages.  A new architecturehH >>would require a code generator, but 3 front ends are almost as easy to0 >>connect to a code generator as 1 front end is. >> > ; > You're forgetting that Compaq transferred the bulk of its ? > compiler personnel to Intel (I'm one of 'em).  I know what it@A > took to retarget C, BLISS, and MACRO to Itanium, and I can tellEA > you that there aren't enough people left behind after the Alphat? > sell-out^H^H^Hoff to do another effort of that magnitude in at@ > timely fashion.  I don't see HP hiring a new batch of compiler= > people (assuming they can find them) to do another VMS porte > anytime soon..    0 Sounds a bit like the 'burning bridges' project.   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:13:17 GMTe0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...u0 Message-ID: <3d23759a.2988987@news.easynews.com>  E On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:34:28 -0400, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Roberty Deininger) wrote:p >oF >VAX MACRO, Bliss, and C are just compiled languages.  None of them is >inherently unportable.    True.n  J >It's pretty clear that the work of re-coding all the Bliss and Macro (andD >...) into C would far exceed the work of building IPF compilers and >leaving the source code alone.m  B If IPF is the last port that you're going to do.  My comments wereA directed at the speculation that another port (i.e., IA32) was intE the cards.  The cost trade-off shifts in favor of re-coding if you'reS contemplating future ports.m  B Then there's the issue of run-time speed.  Compiler technology can? only go so far in figuring out the "inner program" that's beingaC expressed by a hunk of VAX MACRO code.  On Alpha one can very oftenoA get a 2X, 3X, or even better speedup using the C equivalent vs. a C MACRO-32 equivalent.  And ironically, the compiled object code getsl? worse the more clever the original programmer was in coding the  VAX MACRO original.m  @ This can have major effects on OS performance.  I saw this first@ hand with a small benchmark that did nothing but ten million RMS? $GETs on a vanilla sequential file.  I was shocked to find thatu? twice as many seconds of CPU time were consumed on Alpha VMS asb? opposed to VAX/VMS running on a CPU several factors slower.  My > estimate is that the main, default sequential I/O path in RMS,C which was written in VAX MACRO way back when to make it run faster,SD is about an order of magnitude slower on Alpha than on VAX.  Rewrite4 it in C or BLISS and you'd get the performance back.  B That sort of thing is only going to be worse on Itanium, where youA really need profile-directed feedback to get any speed out of the 	 hardware.        -----------e Remove 'Z' to send me email. -----------r   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 19:36 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)) Subject: Re: fun with pipe, Message-ID: <3JUL200219365508@gerg.tamu.edu>  0 "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes...; }"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message ' }news:3D226F9B.849F8CD0@videotron.ca...m }> James Gessling wrote: }> >J }> > Is there some limit to how much can go through a pipe?  Consider this
 }> > example:G }> >) }> > $ pipe sh log | search sys$Input x11e, }> > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched }> > $ sho log/output=junk.dat }> > $ search junk.dat x11 }> >   "X11" = "DECW$INCLUDE"c }>J }> This was discussed some time ago. It is a "feature" of show logical and }otherI }> programs whose output exceeds the buffer size of the device created by  }pipe J }> for interprocess communications so parts of the output don't make it to }the7 }> other process as the output "packet" gets truncated.n } C }I found a discussion regarding using  DEFMBXMXMSG and DEFMBXBUFQUOnK }to allow for larger records to go through pipes (in fact I participated in 
 }it).  ButF }you're saying that if the data exceeds some size, it is just silently }truncated?  } F }That's just totally unacceptable.  How did VMS engineering think they@ }could get away with that? They should be ashamed of themselves. } $ }Here's a way to see the truncation. } , }$ pipe show log | copy sys$Input sys$output }<lots of stuff>  }  "HTTPD80$CONTROL" = "MBA142:". }%SHOW-F-WRITEERR, error writing SYS$OUTPUT:.;. }-RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request failed5 }-SYSTEM-F-MBTOOSML, mailbox is too small for requestc } 6 }So this works, logical name is before the truncation. } 3 }$ pipe show log | search sys$Input httpd80$controli  }  "HTTPD80$CONTROL" = "MBA142:" } 6 }But this does not, next logical name after truncation } 2 }$ pipe show log | search sys$Input httpd80$count1( }%SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched } 
 }What a mess.: }  }Jim  ? What makes you think there is much of anything wrong with this?B( It is only doing what you told it to do.  8 You specifically told it to search for "httpd80$count1".1 This string does not appear anywhere in the text:d- %SHOW-F-WRITEERR, error writing SYS$OUTPUT:.; - -RMS-F-SYS, QIO system service request faileds4 -SYSTEM-F-MBTOOSML, mailbox is too small for request  3 Naturally the search command did not find anything.A And it told you as much.  F The output you are seeing is the output of the search, not the earlierG stage which is where the error is coming from. The message gets read inV, by the search and gives the results you see.  & $ pipe exit 666 | search sys$Input foo' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matchedG' $ pipe exit 666  | search sys$Input toomD %SYSTEM-E-TOOMUCHDATA, too much optional or interrupt data specified   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:36:13 GMTl# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u) Subject: HP European Layoffs Target 5,900oH Message-ID: <NmIU8.10280$eZo1.9635@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=581&ncid=738&e=3&u=/nm/20020" 703/tc_nm/tech_hewlettpackard_dc_2  & HP, Compaq Europe Job Cuts Total 5,900 Wed Jul 3,10:43 AM ETn  K FRANKFURT (Reuters) - U.S. computer giant Hewlett-Packard said on Wednesday C it plans to cut 5,900 jobs in Europe from a total of 15,000 alreadyME announced worldwide, as part of its merger with Compaq Computer Corp.oH A spokeswoman for the computer and printer marker in Germany declined toH break the numbers down to say which countries would be most affected and? whether the jobs would go at the old Hewlett-Packard or Compaq.e  L The company is likely to give more information on the subject next week, sheJ added. The German units of Hewlett-Packard and Compaq will be merged after7 the current business year ends on October 31, she said.b  L Hewlett Packard is expected to find cost savings of $3 billion by the end ofH 2004 from the merger and will hit its original $2.5 billion cost-savingsK target in 2003, Compaq has said. Executives have said the merger would cost 
 $2.6 billion.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:55:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t- Subject: Re: HP European Layoffs Target 5,900t, Message-ID: <3D2372DB.F015F743@videotron.ca>   John Smith wrote: M > FRANKFURT (Reuters) - U.S. computer giant Hewlett-Packard said on WednesdaymE > it plans to cut 5,900 jobs in Europe from a total of 15,000 alreadye  C HP's stock rose today.  It is significantly down from the $19 rangeeJ pre-merger. I feel this is very bad omen if Carly gets the impression thatP announcing further job cuts will enhance the share price. Reminiscent of Palmer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 03:12:51 GMTt( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>* Subject: Installing Rdb on Hobbyist system, Message-ID: <3D23BD33.1030704@spammotel.com>   [NEWBIE WARNING!]84 Running Hobbyist OpenVMS 7.2 on an AlphaServer 1000A  H I'm afraid I have precious little experience with the VMSINSTAL utility H and need some help troubleshooting the installation of Oracle Rdb.  The E following session snippet demonstrates what I've run up against.  If AH anyone has successfully downloaded the ZIPped file from the Compaq site A and installed it, could you please suggest where I've gone wrong?a   Thanks for your indulgence,    Alder     ! $ SET DEFAULT DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB]r $ SHOW DEFAULT DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB]g $ UNZIP "-V" RDB706_ALPHA.ZIPS/ Archive:  DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB]RDB706_ALPHA.ZIP;1o,    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]jrdbamvf070.a+    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]rdbamvf070.ar+    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]rdbamvf070.bl+    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]rdbamvf070.cr+    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]rdbamvf070.dy+    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]rdbamvf070.e"0    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]rdbsga_70_amv.bck.    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]sqlsrvamvf070.a+    inflating: [.rdbv706kit_amv]sqsclia070.a  $ DIRd   Directory DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB]n  ( RDB706_ALPHA.ZIP;1  RDBV706KIT_AMV.DIR;1 $ DIR [.RDBV706KIT_AMV]r  , Directory DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB.RDBV706KIT_AMV]  7 JRDBAMVF070.A;1     RDBAMVF070.A;1      RDBAMVF070.B;1 -7 RDBAMVF070.C;1      RDBAMVF070.D;1      RDBAMVF070.E;1  % RDBSGA_70_AMV.BCK;1 SQLSRVAMVF070.A;1( SQSCLIA070.A;1   Total of 9 files. D $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL RDBAMV070 DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB.RDBV706KIT_AMV]    A          OpenVMS AXP Software Product Installation Procedure V7.2R     It is 3-JUL-2002 at 19:48.  / Enter a question mark (?) at any time for help.c  > * Are you satisfied with the backup of your system disk [YES]?  @ %VMSINSTAL-E-NOPRODS, None of the specified products were found.    *          VMSINSTAL procedure done at 19:48     $u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:13:25 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> . Subject: Re: Installing Rdb on Hobbyist system, Message-ID: <3D23CB64.2F64055F@videotron.ca>   Alder wrote:8 > JRDBAMVF070.A;1     RDBAMVF070.A;1      RDBAMVF070.B;18 > RDBAMVF070.C;1      RDBAMVF070.D;1      RDBAMVF070.E;1' > RDBSGA_70_AMV.BCK;1 SQLSRVAMVF070.A;1d > SQSCLIA070.A;1 >  > Total of 9 files.,F > $ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL RDBAMV070 DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB.RDBV706KIT_AMV]  L You are trying to install RDBAMV070  which will cause VMSINSTALL to look for the file RDBAMV070.A  & Try installing the product RDBAMVF070   D There is also JRDBAMVF070 and SQLSRVAMVF070 and SQSCLIA070 products.  K (eg: do a DIR *.A and that tells you the names of the products available tog< install, remove the .A when you answer prompts for VMSINSTAL   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 04:22:09 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>. Subject: Re: Installing Rdb on Hobbyist system, Message-ID: <3D23CD70.8090702@spammotel.com>   JF Mezei wrote:o > Alder wrote: > 8 >>JRDBAMVF070.A;1     RDBAMVF070.A;1      RDBAMVF070.B;18 >>RDBAMVF070.C;1      RDBAMVF070.D;1      RDBAMVF070.E;1' >>RDBSGA_70_AMV.BCK;1 SQLSRVAMVF070.A;1i >>SQSCLIA070.A;1 >> >>Total of 9 files.uF >>$ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL RDBAMV070 DISK$PROGRAMS:[RDB.RDBV706KIT_AMV] >  > N > You are trying to install RDBAMV070  which will cause VMSINSTALL to look for > the file RDBAMV070.A > ( > Try installing the product RDBAMVF070  > F > There is also JRDBAMVF070 and SQLSRVAMVF070 and SQSCLIA070 products. > M > (eg: do a DIR *.A and that tells you the names of the products available toe> > install, remove the .A when you answer prompts for VMSINSTAL   Doh....   B That's what I get for cutting and pasting from Install Guides, eh?  G Many thanks, JF.  The install appears to be going as it should now. :-)f   Aldera   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:13:02 +0200t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>' Subject: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.h' Message-ID: <3D235ACE.C30E20E2@aaa.com>d   Hi.n@ Yesterday I came back after 3 weeks of vacation with the family.8 (Paris, Val-de-Loire, Bretagne, if you're interested...)  = Now, having followed c.o.v for a day, is it just me, or isn'tB: there a slightly more positive tone on c.o.v now regarding; VMS, HP and related matters ? What have happend during this  3 week period ?    Best Regards Jan-Erik Sderholm.|   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:22:22 -0400* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov># Subject: RE: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.|- Message-ID: <0033000071248160000002L002*@MHS>   H =0AFiorina and Capellas have quit HP and decided to run France instead.=     :^)p   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETI& Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:17 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.g     Hi.h@ Yesterday I came back after 3 weeks of vacation with the family.8 (Paris, Val-de-Loire, Bretagne, if you're interested...)  = Now, having followed c.o.v for a day, is it just me, or isn'tr: there a slightly more positive tone on c.o.v now regarding; VMS, HP and related matters ? What have happend during this0 3 week period ?a   Best Regards Jan-Erik S=F6derholm.=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:47:16 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> # Subject: Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.s' Message-ID: <3D2362D4.6DF4B13E@vcu.edu>e  A i'm not sure...  I try to only read the tech threads...  but i'veaH noticed it too.  i think it's the press releases coming out, more in the' last 2 weeks than in the last 2 years..a   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:u >  > Hi.tB > Yesterday I came back after 3 weeks of vacation with the family.: > (Paris, Val-de-Loire, Bretagne, if you're interested...) > ? > Now, having followed c.o.v for a day, is it just me, or isn'tt< > there a slightly more positive tone on c.o.v now regarding= > VMS, HP and related matters ? What have happend during thist > 3 week period ?  >  > Best Regards > Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 16:12:58 -0600o- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)-# Subject: Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.13 Message-ID: <F3KhzWbNZ4q9@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  c In article <3D235ACE.C30E20E2@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:1  B > Yesterday I came back after 3 weeks of vacation with the family.  ? > Now, having followed c.o.v for a day, is it just me, or isn't < > there a slightly more positive tone on c.o.v now regarding= > VMS, HP and related matters ? What have happend during thist > 3 week period ?   1 In the US there is a VMS-on-Itanium lecture tour.t  8 People whining about why their city was not included are9 somehow less annoying than people whining about why theirn" operating system was not included.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:47:02 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>c# Subject: RE: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.tT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026607EF@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Larry,  7 <<<In the US there is a VMS-on-Itanium lecture tour.>>>   9 I suspect you have seen these pointers, but just in case:f5 https://www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour/agenda.cfmo6 https://www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour/default.cfm   Regardsy  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanth Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20s Sent: July 3, 2002 6:13 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@# Subject: Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.:    0 In article <3D235ACE.C30E20E2@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik8 =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?S=3DF6derholm?=3D <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  B > Yesterday I came back after 3 weeks of vacation with the family.  J > Now, having followed c.o.v for a day, is it just me, or isn't there a=20H > slightly more positive tone on c.o.v now regarding VMS, HP and related  9 > matters ? What have happend during this 3 week period ?s  1 In the US there is a VMS-on-Itanium lecture tour.c  E People whining about why their city was not included are somehow less E annoying than people whining about why their operating system was note	 included.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:01:26 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a# Subject: Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v. , Message-ID: <3D237422.489770A5@videotron.ca>  M I think that all predictions have been made and now one must wait to see whats HP actually does.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:52:31 GMT ( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net># Subject: Re: Last 3 weeks on c.o.v.n* Message-ID: <3D239CAA.3BCB3A0@pacbell.net>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > Hi. B > Yesterday I came back after 3 weeks of vacation with the family.: > (Paris, Val-de-Loire, Bretagne, if you're interested...)" Why didn't you invite any of us?:) > ? > Now, having followed c.o.v for a day, is it just me, or isn'ty< > there a slightly more positive tone on c.o.v now regarding= > VMS, HP and related matters ? What have happend during thisn > 3 week period ?o > M There were a number of announcements and new web entries, the overall tone of-P which, may suggest that HP is taking VMS more seriously than did Compaq. None ofO these were dramatic, but as JF mentioned, I think it's causing a "wait and see"9 attitude among the troops.   -- T   Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com)o
 San Franciscon   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:00:24 -0400N1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ' Subject: Re: Microvax gathering dust...c2 Message-ID: <3D2349C8.20C23A1A@firstdbasource.com>   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:o >  > What model of MicroVAX?l > : > If you let us know where you are there might be somebody" > with media in your neighborhood. >  > WWWebb >  > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETf) > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 12:19 PMoD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET% > Subject: Microvax gathering dust...f > H > I've got a Microvax that I bought off eBay a few months ago. I want toC > reinstall the VMS on it, mainly because (a) I want something moreeE > current than the v5.3 that's on it now, and (b) I don't have any ofr > the passwords. > C > Unfortunately, montagar.com is sold out of the Vax hobbyist kits. D > There's auctions on eBay every once in a great while, but I alwaysC > seem to miss them. Are there any other sources for OpenVMS media?d > 2 > Or should I sell it and look for Alphas on eBay? > 	 > Thanks!w  @ BTW, If anyone is interested, I have a MV-3600-circa 1989 with 2< * CXY08 - with octopus cables, 3 HD, (2 * RF71's and one 3rd? party 1Gb drive. - I think... it has been a while since I firedq? it up) 16MB of memory, TK70, thinwire/AUI, VMS 5.0-0 - DECNET - ? no TCPIP) It belonged to a customer and I deinstalled it when Ie8 moved the application (VESTed) to Alpha - which has more@ diskspace with 6 * 9Gb in a Raid 0+1 config as 3 logical disks.   . Best Offer + shipping. (from Charlotte, NC.)    A (VESTed - only because sources for the application appeared to be ; incomplete and the last known maintainer has passed away (I-@ believe he was in an accident and hit by that proverbial truck!)@ and the stuff at his house where he worked on it was sold by his= estate more than 5-6 years ago.  So - the bottom line: If you<? have a contract maintainer, make sure he gives you a tape/CD ono1 with the latest and greatest on a regular basis.)@ -- t Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163e7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.come                           + http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlk/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:16:45 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: Microvax gathering dust...e5 Message-ID: <afvi23$hi5to$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   6 Read the VMS-FAQ to solve the SYSTEM password problem.? Once you're in make sure you save the installed licenses in LMF @ bacuse you will need them for another version (provided that the$ installed licenses are not expired).@ You can save the licenses in a command file and transfer them to= another disk and reuse them as soon as the new VMS version ist
 installed.1 That command is : $ lic issue * /proc/out=lmf.com    Hans7 Steve Pfister <srp336@getcoactive.com> wrote in message 7 news:45126e60.0207030820.19efe7d6@posting.google.com...cH > I've got a Microvax that I bought off eBay a few months ago. I want toC > reinstall the VMS on it, mainly because (a) I want something moreSE > current than the v5.3 that's on it now, and (b) I don't have any ofF > the passwords. > C > Unfortunately, montagar.com is sold out of the Vax hobbyist kits.eD > There's auctions on eBay every once in a great while, but I alwaysC > seem to miss them. Are there any other sources for OpenVMS media?c >n2 > Or should I sell it and look for Alphas on eBay? >$	 > Thanks!8   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:37:29 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: Microvax gathering dust...aJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0307021937290001@1cust96.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  = In article <45126e60.0207030820.19efe7d6@posting.google.com>,-- srp336@getcoactive.com (Steve Pfister) wrote:S  B >Unfortunately, montagar.com is sold out of the Vax hobbyist kits.C >There's auctions on eBay every once in a great while, but I alwaysnB >seem to miss them. Are there any other sources for OpenVMS media? >o1 >Or should I sell it and look for Alphas on eBay?s  D You could do both.  Respectable alphas show up on ebay all the time,  covering a wide range of prices.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 17:54 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)a Subject: Re: parsing >255-, Message-ID: <3JUL200217542484@gerg.tamu.edu>  ^ In article <3D200E6A.3080908@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes... }Guy Peleg wrote:t	 }> Aaron,o }> mH }> The current DCL limit is 255 bytes per command. It can be extended to }> 1024 using the hyphen sign. }> gK }> We are currently working on a project to increase this limit. New limitsuI }> should be 4096 bytes per command, using the hyphen 8192 bytes. We haves/ }> also increased the symbol size to 1024bytes.  }> e8 }> The new DCL is currently scheduled to ship in H1CY03.I }Good that will certainly help. But why cannot the command string length nJ }not be allocated dynamically upon its need? Probably I will go over this H }8192 bytes easily when link complicated programs using many objects in I }many different directories. Now I split up because the 1024 limitation,  ( }but sometimes I need more than 8 parts. }  }                  Jouk   = Have you ever considered putting the object files into one or  more libraries?   > You can also avoid ahving to type out the library specs on theG command line by defining logical names LNK$LIBRARY, LNK$LIBRARY_1, etc.pD These will be search automatically by the linker without you telling it to.  3 Or you could just list them all in an options file.g  I There is no need to have long command lines just to link things together.6. After all, they build VMS itself without them.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 17:53:22 -0700.- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva), Subject: Pascal Editor< Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0207031653.d28e433@posting.google.com>  A Which Editor can I use im my PC to open Vax Pascal files exactly  > how I see these files using Edit/EDT files in the VMS system ?A Id like transfer VAX Pascal files from the VMS system to my PC, 1, and vice versa, keeping the Edit/EDT format.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:17:17 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>f Subject: RE: Pascal Editor9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICELEFEAA.tom@kednos.com>m  ; Try using xemacs 21.? and install a pascal mode.  The filesn are simply ascii textg   >-----Original Message-----e5 >From: Shiva MahaDeva [mailto:contracer11@uol.com.br]7' >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 5:53 PMI >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Pascal Editort >t > A >Which Editor can I use im my PC to open Vax Pascal files exactly ? >how I see these files using Edit/EDT files in the VMS system ?iA >Id like transfer VAX Pascal files from the VMS system to my PC, - >and vice versa, keeping the Edit/EDT format.l >e >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.y; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).RA >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002H >I ---r& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:35:55 -0700, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>, Subject: Patch available for pipe limitation4 Message-ID: <afvg6c$hg5qu$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  F I'll post this as a new thread so it might get more visibility.  I had
 previouslyH complained that there was a limitation in a pipe regarding the amount ofB data that could go though it.  Too much data and one would get theA error SYSTEM-F-MBTOOSML.  After researching further, I find thereBB is a patch to fix this.  For VMS 7.2-1H1 it is: VMS721H1_DCL-V0300  A VMS 7.2-1 and 7.3 have similarly named patches.  My confidence ins@ VMS engineering is regained and I apoligize for my unkind words.   Jim    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 21:54:42 +0200R+ From: huber@vms.mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)u Subject: Re: Second X-terminal+ Message-ID: <z0vnsD+gr5ft@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   U In article <3d23044f$1@pull.gecm.com>, "Ian Dean" <Ian.d.dean@baesystems.com> writes:oK >> The X terminal has (in a menu or somewhere) security settings that allow-M >> certain remote systems to use the display.  It sounds like system ALPHA ise< >> enabled in the security settings, but system BETA is not. >>K >> It's possible that ALPHA is included automatically, since it boots the XBK >> terminal.  More likely, someone enabled ALPHA in the X terminal, and theA) >> settings are saved somewhere on ALPHA._ >>> >> The details will depend greatly on the model of X terminal. > N > It may be of interest, but if the X-terminal is booted from BETA the problem > is exactly reversed. >  > In summary6 >     Booted from ALPHA - output OK from ALPHA processE >                                       - output OK from BETA ONLY if  > X_terminal logged in on BETA > 4 >     Booted from BETA - output OK from BETA processN >                                    - output OK from ALPHA ONLY if X_terminal > logged in on ALPHA > 7 > This all occurs without ALPHA or BETA being rebooted.  > M > If it is a security problem, there is a security menu option to allow other I > servers, but this can only be set while on-line. Is there a system-wide  > means of achieving this? > 
 > Regards,	 >     Ian   3 You should differentiate , how You are "logged in":1N   if an X-session is established (DECwindows session or DCE session), then theV access control of Your session setup applies (option->security in the session manager,E the toolbox security entry in the DCE desktop). You have to enter theaT node/user/transport triple for nodes other than the current session to allow clientsP from them. If You want to have the setup permanent, You have to save the session manager in DECwindows.  Q If the terminal is logged in via terminal-windows or rsh or similar "non-session"h4 clients, then the Xterminals access control applies:5 On NCD terminals, this is in the setup->Xaccess menu.aU On VXT terminals this is in the VXT-manager window : options->security (or similar, I- don't have one in front of me).-    -  -   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 16:32 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: Segmented keysv, Message-ID: <3JUL200216323288@gerg.tamu.edu>  ' dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) writes... b }JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D1D6930.DF8CFDE0@videotron.ca>...Q }> If I need to do a keyed access to a file whose key is segmented, how do I fille }> the RAB  key_buffer ? }> M/ }> The grey manuals don't seem to mention this.i } 4 }you should beg, borrow, or steal a documentation cd8 }the "guide to openvms file applications" is a bit more ( }readable thean the rms reference manual }Phil1  ; If you can't get the CD, it is, of course, on the web site.-   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:15:53 +0200) From: "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz>W' Subject: Re: SMTP 8bit hack not working B Message-ID: <afvigs$mki$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>   Hello1   "Lawrence said...a  E > I have the EIGHT_BIT option set on the SMTP configuration, and I've E > defined the system logical name TCPIP$SMTP_8BITMIME_HACK to be "1".iF > this, according to the documentation, should be enough.  I made sureF > to restart the SMTP service after changing the EIGHT_BIT setting (it > used to be NOEIGHT_BIT). >    An interesting one. H You remember my config... VMS7.3Beta with the corresponding TCPIP 5.1 (I6 can't patch this with the standard patches, I believe)  C What I do is receive all "VMS" mail on my PC using VMS as a server. J If a send (from a PC) an ASCII mail to SYSTEM then POP this mail back into9 my PC, I see the mail correctly with accented characters.tK However, you're right if I look at this mail on VMS before I donwload it to  my PC I seesK "Jos=E9" instead of "Jos" (let's assume you all see Jose with an accent onk the "e")  ( I (think) I use the 850 code page on W2K3 Kea!2000 - settings VT420 /eightbit /ISO-Latin1/...s    I'll look into this one a bit...   Steved   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:09:48 GMTt# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n4 Subject: Re: Three HP Press releases (via Bloomberg)G Message-ID: <M5HU8.6707$eZo1.1621@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>s  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message' news:xSFU8.73139$Uu2.12304@sccrnsc03...g >e4 > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message >kL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026607EB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. > .. >AH > As to the bet that new AlphaServers (EV7?) will not be benchmarked.. I% > would be willing to take that bet..e >  > So would I. ;-}i  D So if EV7 comes in at nearly an order of magnitude better than otherJ existing systems, does HP pull the plug on IA-64 in favor of a resurrected( Alpha? Ooops..forgot..this isn't Easter.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:26:59 GMTn1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>r4 Subject: Re: Three HP Press releases (via Bloomberg). Message-ID: <TlHU8.400752$cQ3.26911@sccrnsc01>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageA news:M5HU8.6707$eZo1.1621@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...K >y> > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message) > news:xSFU8.73139$Uu2.12304@sccrnsc03...@ > >c6 > > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in message > >  >-L news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026607EB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. > > .. > > J > > As to the bet that new AlphaServers (EV7?) will not be benchmarked.. I' > > would be willing to take that bet..a > >  > > So would I. ;-}C >uF > So if EV7 comes in at nearly an order of magnitude better than otherL > existing systems, does HP pull the plug on IA-64 in favor of a resurrected* > Alpha? Ooops..forgot..this isn't Easter.  F Probably won't be an order of magnitude, but I suspect that McKinley'sH bragging rights as fastest FP performer on the planet will be relatively short-lived. ;-}   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:06:12 -04000 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>4 Subject: Re: Three HP Press releases (via Bloomberg)/ Message-ID: <ui6lv1l8c5rmf2@corp.supernews.com>g  F Cerner runs Millenium on VMS and AIX but not on W2K, though  we do useL Citrix for our front end piece on W2K.  We have already tested it on Marvel,I though not a full scale benchmark suite like we like to run,  but  you'reo going to LOVE the performance.  L Cerner will be issuing press releases when we certify the code on Marvel and 7.3-1.   Alan.-    2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026607EB@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. John,   C Cerner is one of the big players in the medical field. As I recall,t( Cerner only runs on AIX, W2K or OpenVMS.   Testimonial:/ http://www.cerner.com/Technologies/database.asp-7 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/   F As to the bet that new AlphaServers (EV7?) will not be benchmarked.. I# would be willing to take that bet..a   :-)S   Regardso  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultanta Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicess Voice: 613-592-4660g Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----( From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] Sent: July 3, 2002 10:35 AMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como0 Subject: Three HP Press releases (via Bloomberg)    F North Broward Hospital District Adds HP AlphaServer Systems to Support Paperless Records SystemG http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=marketsquote99_news.ht&s=APSGchaS yTm9 ydGggl  F It would be nice to know if this was a *new* win or just an upgrade of an existing installation.d      > HP Superdome Server Shatters Java Performance Benchmark RecordH http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=marketsquote99_news.ht&s=APSCm1Rb PSFA gU3Vw   D What's the betting line that Alpha's aren't benchmarked any more forH reasons of optics (ie. can't show that a non-unix, dead processor family
 outperforms)?r      G ADVISORY/HP to Hold Media Teleconference on Strategy for New Technology H http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=marketsquote99_news.ht&s=APSBScxT FQUR WSVNPh  * Any ideas about this? Is it IA-64 related?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:42:24 GMTs0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) Subject: Re: VMS 64bitness0 Message-ID: <3d237237.2122121@news.easynews.com>  E Doesn't amount to a hill of beans, given that nearly all the EXTERNAL 6 interfaces available to applications are still 32-bit.  B On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:31:24 -0400, G Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote:  I >VMS is NOT a 32 bit system with a few 64 bit extensions in any meaninfulaH >sense, not since 7.0. Almost every internal function will accept 64 bitJ >arguments, as will the drivers, control blocks and so on. There are a fewI >residue areas that are in 32 bit only space (notably FIBs, for those fewAK >who know what those are). These structures are generally used by internals6L >folks, are small, and impose no particular hardship on anyone for living in$ >S0 or S1 space instead of S2 or P2. >sR >The design document for the initial 64 bit port was ~1000 pages long with detailsO >all over. Look at what the DIOBM structure does for you, if you want. This waseP >an exceedingly clever system that allowed VMS-supplied code to hide much of theR >64 bit mapping complexity from driver writers. It is hidden, but it is there, andS >DMA transfers can and do routinely take place into or out of space anywhere in thea' >64 bit range, without extra buffering.w >(T >The initial reports about Windows NT 64 bit were that it was indeed a 32 bit systemN >with a few add-ons to access 64 bit space, but without paging or mapping saveS >a constant mapping above 32 bit space, buffering transfers in low memory and doingaP >processor copy, and a few more bits. I don't know if Windows is still like thatU >or not, but at one time it was very much a mislabelled 32 bit system with the needediU >few minimal hacks to allow it to use fixed large buffers in extended memory. That is T >not entirely useless: it is what one needs to get very large databases to work withS >indices in memory, for example, and if the programmer sees I/O into or out of thisJV >extended memory, it may not matter to him that it is buffered in low memory somewhereT >since the overwhelming database advantage is derived from being able to search hugeV >memory arrays and that advantage is not lost by crockish hacks to fill or empty them. >i >Glenn Everharta >e   -----------t Remove 'Z' to send me email. -----------    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:20:05 -0400% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>i Subject: Re: VMS 64bitness/ Message-ID: <ui78mhipafro6b@news.supernews.com>d  = "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in messagep* news:3d237237.2122121@news.easynews.com...G > Doesn't amount to a hill of beans, given that nearly all the EXTERNALa8 > interfaces available to applications are still 32-bit. >t  2 The OpenVMS documentation has a different opinion:  , 1.1.1 64-Bit Addressing Support (Alpha Only)E On Alpha systems, the Run-Time Library (LIB$) routines provide 64-bitm+ virtual addressing capabilities as follows:i  L Most routines now accept 64-bit addresses for arguments passed by reference.I Footnotes in the Reference Section of this manual indicate those routiness that do not.  K Most routines also accept either 32-bit or 64-bit descriptors for arguments-G passed by descriptor. Footnotes in the Reference Section of this manualo$ indicate those routines that do not.  H In some cases, a new routine was added to support a 64-bit addressing orK data capability. These routines carry the same name as the original routinegG but with a _64 suffix. In general, both versions of the routine supportaD 64-bit addressing, but the routine with the _64 suffix also supportsE additional 64-bit capability. The 32-bit capabilities of the original  routine are unchanged.  F Specialized routines create and manipulate storage zones in the 64-bitH virtual address space. The names of these routines are the same as theirL 32-bit counterparts but with a _64 suffix. One example is LIB$CREATE_VM_ZONEK and LIB$CREATE_VM_ZONE_64. LIB$CREATE_VM_ZONE creates a storage zone in thecH 32-bit vitual address space, and LIB$CREATE_VM_ZONE_64 creates a storageF zone in the 64-bit virtual address space. The function of the original routine is unchanged.y  D > On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:31:24 -0400, G Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote: > K > >VMS is NOT a 32 bit system with a few 64 bit extensions in any meaninfulrJ > >sense, not since 7.0. Almost every internal function will accept 64 bitL > >arguments, as will the drivers, control blocks and so on. There are a fewK > >residue areas that are in 32 bit only space (notably FIBs, for those fewcC > >who know what those are). These structures are generally used bya	 internalsmK > >folks, are small, and impose no particular hardship on anyone for living  in& > >S0 or S1 space instead of S2 or P2. > >cL > >The design document for the initial 64 bit port was ~1000 pages long with details H > >all over. Look at what the DIOBM structure does for you, if you want. This wasK > >an exceedingly clever system that allowed VMS-supplied code to hide mucho of theI > >64 bit mapping complexity from driver writers. It is hidden, but it is 
 there, andE > >DMA transfers can and do routinely take place into or out of spaceh anywhere in theh) > >64 bit range, without extra buffering.l > > K > >The initial reports about Windows NT 64 bit were that it was indeed a 32 
 bit systemK > >with a few add-ons to access 64 bit space, but without paging or mapping  saveK > >a constant mapping above 32 bit space, buffering transfers in low memory0	 and doing H > >processor copy, and a few more bits. I don't know if Windows is still	 like thatgL > >or not, but at one time it was very much a mislabelled 32 bit system with
 the neededG > >few minimal hacks to allow it to use fixed large buffers in extendedf memory. That isyL > >not entirely useless: it is what one needs to get very large databases to	 work withaI > >indices in memory, for example, and if the programmer sees I/O into ore out of this G > >extended memory, it may not matter to him that it is buffered in low  memory somewhereJ > >since the overwhelming database advantage is derived from being able to search hugeaL > >memory arrays and that advantage is not lost by crockish hacks to fill or empty them.a > >D > >Glenn Everharte > >o >o
 > -----------W > Remove 'Z' to send me email.
 > -----------@   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 18:56 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: vms binary filess, Message-ID: <3JUL200218560605@gerg.tamu.edu>  ( petr.danecek@centrum.cz (Petr) writes... }Hello,  } G }I've run into some binary data files suffixed as "vmsbin" which I needn }to decode.tC }There is a file format description included, but it does not agrees }with the files.% }(Even the file sizes are different.)e } E }As I do not know anything about the vms systems, my question is mostcE }probably stupid: What happens if one writes a sequence of bytes on a2 }vms system and thenF }transfers it to a pc? Will there be just the same sequence or will it }be prefixed2 }with some records, fields or something like that? }  }Thank you,: }Petra   It depends.p  H The two main things it depends on is what kind of file it really is, and  how it was transfered to the PC.  B A "binary" file on VMS can be a variety of things, but it is oftenI a fixed record length file. This format has nothing prefixed or postfixedtH onto the records - it is just the data (record length and other metadataE is not stored in the file itself). It is not unusual, though, to find1H that the "binary" file is actually stored as a plain old variable lengthG record file, which has a two byte prefix on every record that indicates J the length and also adds a null byte to the end of every odd length recordG to make it an even length. Some may even be indexed files, which have a:K format that is way to complex to explain here - they are a sort of databasetI file (and your hopes of reading them on a PC are not very good). You needtE to do a DIR/FULL of the file (while it is still on the VMS system, oft& course) to find out what it really is.  H Probably the most reliable way to get a binary file from a VMS system to# a PC is to use FTP in binary mode.    G You should also keep in mind that the size of a file as reported by thehH DIRECTORY command on VMS is rounded up to report the number of blocks as as an integer.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:51:52 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>b' Subject: Re: when is a typo not a typo?t, Message-ID: <3D2347C1.C57B950C@videotron.ca>  I www.untied.com sends you to a United Airlines complaint/protest website.    N at one point, delta airlines didn't want to buy www.delta.com from someone whoL had registered it before, and that person had www.delta.com go to www.aa.com1 (american airlines). (this has since been fixed).Y  H I have found myself leaving JAVA disabled on netscape (most JAVA is justL useless advertising gimmicks) and more and more, I now also leave javascriptK disabled unless I know it is absolutely necessary. This way, when i stumblen7 onto something new, I do not have unpleasant surprises.   N I absolutely despise sites that have this mini window appear in the backgroundL and move itself to lower right and you cannot delete it. It deselects itselfK as soon as you click on it. There are also sites that pop a new window whenoN you leave the site, and that new window pops yet another window when you closeF it and so on and so on.  With Javascript turned off, no such problems.  K When I get to a site where links don't work, I then turn javascript back ontK and reload the page. With both javascript adn java turned off, browsing theaM web is much faster. Sometimes I also turn off style sheets for greater speed.s  H What i would like to have is a list of "trusted" web sites where I could define that in thatsJ domain, java is allowed, and in another domain only javascript is allowed.K This way, when you go to uncharted territory, the browser would disable alla8 the funky stuff until you give it approval to enable it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:23:21 GMTg. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Windows 2000 -> Linux Samba -> VMSw4 Message-ID: <tPKU8.131082$IR.1949793@news.chello.at>  _ In article <9946d62e.0207030317.1ca67333@posting.google.com>, br@b-con.dk (Bendix Riis) writes: F >I have set up a linux box running samba that via nfs-mount has access, >to a directory on a VAX running VMS v5.5-2.G >Windows PC's can connect to the samba share and copy files to and froma >VMS.aC >Everything works fine except that when VMS print or text files are : >read in windows they have a wrong format - cr lf missing.E >Is it possible to set up the system to convert/filter the files whenh) >reading/copying them from VMS to the PC?T  E Why not run SAMBA on VMS and eliminate LINUX (and more important NFS)e from the picture ?   -- 1 Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialistS E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:01:42 +0100t- From: Gerald Marsh <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk>t Subject: Re: wow8 Message-ID: <iep6iu4v6kqosmidu38bq3fla85hqjeqgn@4ax.com>  / On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:57:11 -0400, WILLIAM WEBBC <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:   > ' >I *told* you that HP was listening....  >r >:^) >l >WWWebbi >n >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET& >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:01 AMC >To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET  >Subject: RE: wowa >o >M >"John N." wrote:  >>K >> I am going to go have another cup of coffee, and come back and read thisiK >> whole article.  I am not sure I read it right and I don't want to get my0 >> hopes up: >> >> From yahoo news:n >>F >> HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that Is e-Business and >> Internet-Ready / >> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html" >@ >no --- WWWOOWWWW!!!!!  # Perhaps it's in good hands at last!b  @ (I'll be sending that URL on a wide distribution - Thanks to all concerned.)    Gerald Marsh  / gerald -at- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- ukx   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:15:06 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>1 Subject: RE: wowT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026607F0@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Gerald,w  D <<< (I'll be sending that URL on a wide distribution - Thanks to all concerned.)<<<<i  H If you'd like a bit of a summary of some recent OpenVMS Good News - HereG is an extract from a message I sent to some Customers here in Canada (I ' also added a few more references today)  ++++++++++++++++++++++  F As per your request - following up on our discussions in the last weekE or so, here are a few examples and extracts of recent OpenVMS "in thel( news" external pointers and articles ...   :-)r  4 Please feel free to forward as you feel is required.  H OpenVMS V7.3-1 was officially announced - should be available later this+ summer (likely in the August timeframe).=20r  3 References: (see attached for full HP announcement).9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/25jun02b.htm (HP)s4 http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html (Yahoo)F "HP (NYSE:HPQ) today released an enhanced OpenVMS operating system forH AlphaServers that is e-business and Internet-ready. The HP OpenVMS AlphaF V7.3-1 has features unmatched by the competition and delivers the highG levels of reliability, availability and scalability required by today'se demanding applications."   ISV Applications and OpenVMS:d8 http://www.spiritsoft.com/news/pressreleases.asp?id=3D24H "Boston, June 12, 2002 - SpiritSoft today announced the certification ofH its JMS messaging integration product, SpiritWave Message Server, on theH Hewlett- Packard OpenVMS platform. SpiritWave provides OpenVMS customersB with a J2EE messaging architecture, allowing Java- based messaging% applications to be built on OpenVMS.")  D http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/24jun02g.htm (June 24, 2002)> BEA Systems and HP Team to Deliver Integrated Solutions to the
 EnterpriseF "...today announced that the two companies are expanding their effortsC to jointly market, sell and deliver integrated solutions, includingLE hardware, software and services, across all HP operating systems. TheeF systems include HP-UX, OpenVMS, NonStop Kernel (NSK) and Tru64 Unix onC current standard platforms and future Itanium platforms, as well as0$ Windows 2000, Windows NT and Linux."  ? http://www.synthesysusa.com/news/releases/infonova_april23.htmll (Security and PKI)E "INFONOVA and SyntheSys Secure Technologies, Inc. Partner To Globallye  Address PKI Services for OpenVMS  G DEERFIELD BEACH, FL-INFONOVA has awarded SyntheSys Secure Technologies,hG Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of AUG Corp. (OTC/BB: AUGC), the rightstF to port their software to Compaq's OpenVMS operating system. Under theH agreement SyntheSys holds exclusive global rights to market and sell theG OpenVMS version and reserves the right to brand these products with thea SyntheSys name.r  / http://www.iona.com/pressroom/2002/20020327.htm3B JavaOnesm Conference 2002 - San Francisco, CA. - March 27, 2002 --B IONA(r), the leading e-Business Platform provider for Web ServicesC Integration (NASDAQ: IONA), today announced the availability of theqG Orbix E2A(tm) Application Server Platform on Compaq's OpenVMS operatingdD system. IONA's Orbix E2A Application Server Platform offers Compaq'sC OpenVMS customers a J2EE(tm)-compliant and Web services-architectedeF platform for application and e-Business infrastructure development.=20  B http://www.serverworldmagazine.com/monthly/2002/02/synthesys.shtmlH (February 2002 - Secure Instant Messaging - very hot topic these days ..	 Btw ..km)sH "SyntheSys Secure Technologies Inc (www.synthesysusa.com), a Boca Raton,D Fla.-based software development company, has released JabCast SecureG Realtime Communications (SRC) software on Compaq Computer Corporation'sR< AlphaServer systems running the OpenVMS operating system.=20  H "...With JabCast, users of Compaq's OpenVMS AlphaServer systems have theD ability to instantly communicate and share data with users operatingH virtually any other operating system including Windows NT, Windows 2000,F Linux, Unix and most other operating systems. Woolven said JabCast SRC? is a communications solution that provides absolute security of-= transmitted information from point of origination to point ofsA destination. In addition, it offers path hiding by encrypting thec* sender's address from outside observation.  * http://www.dataglider.com/news/press4.html; "Toronto, Ontario - January 7, 2002 - DataGlider brings newaA functionality and a new look to OpenVMS by using powerful web and = wireless integration capabilities to extend existing businessl applications to the Web.=20p  D Organizations can build on the investment they have already made andH bring new web-based functionality to OpenVMS. DataGlider can dynamically> link enterprise applications and data systems into a seamless,? real-time, unified view of information. Customers, partners and E employees can interact with multiple back-end business systems from ai$ single source using a web-browser. "  ) http://www.onexchange.com/press112601.asptC "Cambridge, MA - November 26, 2001 - onExchange, Inc., the  leadingeE provider of comprehensive derivatives clearing and trading technologypC and services to regulated and over-the-counter (OTC) markets, today E announced a business and technology relationship with Compaq ComputernG Corporation to deliver electronic clearing and trading solutions to thewC derivatives markets on Compaq's OpenVMS software operating system."w  > "... As a result of close engineering and lab work between theA companies, onExchange has successfully deployed its Java standardhE clearing system and trading engine, using the BEA WebLogic Server, on H Compaq's OpenVMS AlphaServer systems. The ease with which onExchange wasG able to certify on the OpenVMS environment demonstrates the strength of A the onExchange solution design and the suitability of the OpenVMSmE environment, and BEA WebLogic Server as a platform for J2EE-compliantaD solutions. The onExchange system is available to OpenVMS users now."  , http://www.attunity.com/products/OpenVMS.htm= "By providing a wide range of pre-built adapters and standard-D interfaces, Attunity enables maximum utilization of all your OpenVMS? resources. Attunity Connect for OpenVMS is the fastest and mosthE productive way to connect enterprise information in real-time for anyu new and future initiatives. "m   OpenVMS Customers In the Press:MJ http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=3Dmarketsquote99_news.ht&s=3DAPSGc= ha$ yTm9ydGgg (July 2, 2002 _ GS Series)H "The North Broward Hospital District has taken a big step forward in itsF plan to move to a paperless medical record system with the acquisitionC from HP (NYSE:HPQ) of AlphaServer GS160 systems and HP StorageWorks C products. NBHD is the sixth largest hospital district in the UnitediH States and the largest in Florida. It serves a population of 1.5 million> through four hospitals and 49 individual sites in the county."  H "The HP AlphaServer GS160 systems will run the OpenVMS operating system,D which will support the Cerner Millennium clinical information system; application. Installation of the new systems is underway. "m  C http://www.tse.com/en/mediaNews/newsreleases/news2265.html (Torontou1 Stock Exchange POSIT Application - April 8, 2002)aA "APRIL 8, 2002 (TORONTO) -- The Toronto Stock Exchange Inc. (TSE)oG announced today that more than $120 million in orders were entered intouF the POSIT Canada trading facility on the first official day of tradingF on Friday, April 5th. Actual trading results are not disclosed because2 of the anonymous feature of the trading facility."  E http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D02/04/08/4148271 (April 8,. 2002)mE "...Compaq also will provide customized, enterprise-wide solutions tohH support VA mission critical programs, such as VistA -- the VA's hospitalG information system that runs on OpenVMS-based AlphaServer systems -- ass5 well as the VA's world-class medical imaging system."o  C http://www.mgex.com/news/news_releases/release28.html (February 21,o 2002)sE Successful Launch of Electronic Trading, New Contracts at Minneapolise Grain Exchange  E MINNEAPOLIS-Officials of the Minneapolis Grain Exchange (MGEX) statednB that they are very pleased with initial performance of their newlyF launched electronic trading system, MGEXpress, and National Corn IndexE (NCI) and National Soybean Index (NSI) futures and options contracts.a  G http://www.compaq.com/hps/news/jstar.html (November 2001 - US Air Force  JSTARS Program)aC "Compaq AlphaServer ES40CV systems running Compaq OpenVMS operatingoH system provide performance, reliability, and functionality to the UnitedH States Air Force's sophisticated airborne ground surveillance equipment. "e   Canadian Testimonials:E http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/dfocanada/ (Fisheries  and Oceans- Federal Govt)hH "[It's only when you have a reliable common platform like Compaq OpenVMSF that you can transfer data through a value chain of business functionsH in multiple applications - with everyone able to talk to everyone else."/ Paul Hession, CIO, Fisheries and Oceans Canada]g  C http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/hydroquebec/ (Hydroa Quebec)aC Powering this real-time environment is a Compaq OpenVMS(tm) Clusteri@ solution that unites the mission-critical system's databases and= applications on an ultra-reliable, redundant configuration ofe AlphaServer computers.   New HP format testimonials: C http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/indiarr/indiarr.pdfi! (Fault tolerant OpenVMS solution)e  F If there are any questions about any of the above, please feel free to contact me.=20  9 Note - Attached is the full OpenVMS V7.3-1 press release.v   Regardsa  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Serviceso Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com  ! Full OpenVMS V7.3-1 Announcement:e  C HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that is e-Business anda Internet-ready    PALO ALTO, Calif., June 25, 2002  E HP (NYSE:HPQ) today released an enhanced OpenVMS operating system foreH AlphaServers that is e-business and Internet-ready. The HP OpenVMS AlphaF V7.3-1 has features unmatched by the competition and delivers the highG levels of reliability, availability and scalability required by today'si demanding applications.0  F HP OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 delivers enhanced OpenVMS Storage Area NetworkD offerings, improved system availability, improvements in I/O and SMP= performance, enhanced security, expanded ability to port UNIX > applications to OpenVMS and enhanced TCP/IP stack for extended! interoperability and performance.   > New features and enhancements to the operating system include:  F - Extended failover capability to served devices in an OpenVMS clusterD environment -- extends device failover to served devices, as well asG directly attached devices. This eliminates single points of failure forh served devices. @ - Fibre channel performance enhancements -- new features such asF distributed interrupts and interrupt coalescing, as well as reductionsC in I/O Lock8 usage, providing two times the I/O throughput on fibrei" channel over the previous release.E - Multipath tapes on fibre channel -- provides multipath capabilitiesi0 for fibre channel tapes to help reduce downtime.C - Performance improvements for applications running on SMP systems.fB - Expanded security with more authentication options -- integratedF Kerberos support and simplified authentication through the new SYS$ACM
 interface.G - Industry standard encryption options -- OpenSSL (Secure Socket Layer)o< and the Common Data Security Architecture (CDSA) provide theG cryptographic tools and utilities needed to deploy secure applications.aD - UNIX portability enhancements -- enhancements in the CRTL and file= system make porting UNIX applications to OpenVMS much easier.tG - Compaq Secure Web Browser (CSWB) -- the supported browser for OpenVMS @ AlphaServer systems based on Mozilla, an open-source Web browser? designed for standards compliance, performance and portability. A - Graphic Configuration Manager (GCM) for OpenVMS - - a portable, E client/server application that provides a visual means of viewing andnH controlling the configuration of partitioned AlphaServer systems running9 OpenVMS which helps overall management of the partitions.t@ - Enhanced OpenVMS support for StorageWorks enterprise-class MSAB solutions and SANWorks software solutions -- including EVM and new VersaStor virtualizing adapter.s  G Some competitive advantages of the OpenVMS environment include: OpenVMSm@ Galaxy which provides dynamic reconfiguration without rebooting;H significant flexibility with partitioning and multiple operating systems? supported; high availability features such as online repair and ; clustering for 24x365 computing; total conversion to 64-bit,E functionality for more than a decade while some competitors are stilleE migrating; seamless interoperability with Microsoft(r) Windows NT(r);n< and the availability of thousands of commercial and freeware
 applications.   H "This release of the OpenVMS operating system, the highest quality ever,H continues to lead the competition," said Mark Gorham, vice president, HPA OpenVMS Software Group. "It is further evidence of HP's long-termnB commitment to the millions of users around the world who value andF require the performance and the expanded mission-critical capabilities from OpenVMS."  E HP OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 is expected to be available worldwide in JulyvC and will be shipping on all new HP AlphaServer DS, ES and GS seriesi systems.   ++++++++++++++++++++++   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:53:35 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a Subject: Re: wowE Message-ID: <38MU8.4781$zGH.532@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   : "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message2 news:iep6iu4v6kqosmidu38bq3fla85hqjeqgn@4ax.com... >b >i% > Perhaps it's in good hands at last!     I It's far too early to tell. HP has to do a lot beyond filling in the holeEK that Compaq and Digital dug OpenVMS into. Perhaps when VMS market share has1J returned to where it was 10-15 years ago can we collectively breath a sigh
 of relief.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:41:04 GMTn1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>e Subject: Re: wow> Message-ID: <AQMU8.229539$R61.84039@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message? news:38MU8.4781$zGH.532@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...w >o< > "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> wrote in message4 > news:iep6iu4v6kqosmidu38bq3fla85hqjeqgn@4ax.com... > >a > >c' > > Perhaps it's in good hands at last!o >u >AK > It's far too early to tell. HP has to do a lot beyond filling in the hole I > that Compaq and Digital dug OpenVMS into. Perhaps when VMS market share  haslL > returned to where it was 10-15 years ago can we collectively breath a sigh > of relief.  H Not looking all that good in blue (and not wanting to emulate a Smurf) IK don't think I'll be holding my breath awaiting the day that VMS regains thewK market share it had 15 years ago. There's a lot more UNIX, and way too much0H more Windoze out there gobbling up a significant chunk of the market. Oh yeah, Linux too.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2002 12:42:23 -0700a( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)& Subject: Re: [OT] AS/400 Success Story= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207031142.733b8026@posting.google.com>b  d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEJPFEAA.tom@kednos.com>...# > Look what has become of the OS400 / > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/aK > In fact, go up one level and look at all their servers, rather formidablen > competition fot hpq. >   E OS400 is a nightmare platform to run on ... been there, done that ...hF it is menu city baby ... and it takes 10x longer to do things compared6 to VMS ... if you value your health, avoid AS400's ...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:25:22 -0400! From: "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> & Subject: Re: [OT] AS/400 Success Story+ Message-ID: <afvq21$aa7$1@bob.news.rcn.net>8  J I have set up two machines at work, (vs4000-90 and a dec3000/400).  Both IL got out of a slavage claim from another department.  Everything is installedL and working fine.  The bios is not lock but i don't knwo the password to setD it to something I want.  Anyone know how to clear the BIOS password?     Dave  = John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote in messagem- news:20020703130257.B8058@eisenschmidt.org...wI > You know, I'm going to take the chance at being flaimbait, and say whato
 I'm thinking.u >i > I have two thoughts on this: >hH > (1) Just because Colombian drug lords bought and used an AS/400 to runL their cartel probably won't affect anyone's next AS/400 purchase. It *might*J make a first time purchaser think twice, but how many of those are there aI year? Three? If a bank has thousands of 20 year old RPG programs that runsJ their shop 24/7 and they just need a faster box, I doubt they'd even think twice. >uH > (2) As bad as this is to say, money is money. I'm pretty sure when youI come to a computer company with 1.5 million dollars in cash (even if theyrK are $20 bills they are a little "dusty") they're going to sell you what youf want.  >aJ > I miss the AS/400 I used to administer. Does this mean I could issue the command: >c
 > stpdrgwr >rH > And millions of dollars would suddenly flow back into social programs? >tI > Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Larry Kilgallen (Kilgallen@SpamCop.net)0 Wrote:I > > Thank goodness VMS Marketing did not choose this as a market segment:  > >c> > > http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,41206,00.html >f > --1 > John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>e8 >  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen >  GPG Public Key  |: http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.ascF >  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2 >u# >  This mail is an attachment? Readn+ http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.htmlt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:53:06 GMTn* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: [OT] AS/400 Success StoryB Message-ID: <5nKU8.530050$Gs.35842226@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message( news:SaFU8.399537$cQ3.27332@sccrnsc01... > @ > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message( > news:afv4kb$2tj4$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...2 > > In article <IeEU8.399188$cQ3.26881@sccrnsc01>,8 > >  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes: > > |>5 > > |> "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messagel: > > |> news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEJPFEAA.tom@kednos.com...* > > |> > Look what has become of the OS4006 > > |> > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/G > > |> > In fact, go up one level and look at all their servers, ratherv > formidable > > |> > competition fot hpq.a > > |> > > > |>H > > |> Yep. Hey, why do you think Carly and Curly got the urge to merge,	 > anyhow?   L One doesn't get the impression it was to pool the resources of HP and CompaqG to field a direct competitor to the i-Series and AS/400 - unless anyonevH believes that Win64 qualifies as such.  I suspect that Tom's comment wasH meant to reflect on what a corporation can do with a 'proprietary' OS on5 'proprietary' hardware if it cares to make an effort.a   > >sH > > So that IBM would only have one company instead of two to trive into > > the dirt??  K My impression is that IBM considers Sun its primary competition these days,uC and has mostly been looking at the cHumPaq merger with a mixture oftJ amusement and relief (Compaq having ceased to be much of a problem a whileH ago, but HP having continued to be at least a potential threat until the merger circus came to town).   > >t > > bill >qJ > Exactly. Driving a $35B company into the dirt is a walk in the park when4 > compared to driving an $80B company into the dirt.  E Hmmm.  Since the main forces driving both Compaq and HP into the dirtaK appeared to be their respective CEOs, your comment may simply reinforce theWF suspicion that Carly&Curly's main objective in merging was to buy moreA driving time rather than to steer in a more profitable direction.s   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:13:54 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)& Subject: Re: [OT] AS/400 Success StoryJ Message-ID: <rdeininger-0307021913540001@1cust96.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>  N In article <afvq21$aa7$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "me" <wicklinedd@erols.com> wrote:  K >I have set up two machines at work, (vs4000-90 and a dec3000/400).  Both ItM >got out of a slavage claim from another department.  Everything is installed M >and working fine.  The bios is not lock but i don't knwo the password to set E >it to something I want.  Anyone know how to clear the BIOS password?d    5 I'm confused.  Neither of these systems has a "BIOS".i  = Are you trying to adjust the settings of the system console?  D Specifically, are you trying to require a console password to enable( privileged operations at the >>> prompt?  K I know how to do this on a DEC 3000 system.  Not sure about the VAXstation.d   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.364 ************************