1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 16 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 389       Contents:- Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...) - Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...) - Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)  Re: 2 CMS questions  Re: 2 CMS questions  ACMS tuning - advice needed 
 Bill Hancock?  Re: Bill Hancock?  RE: Bill Hancock?  Re: Bill Hancock? / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer  RE: DEC 3000 Hobbyist  Re: Delete of .bck file  Re: Delete of .bck file  Re: Delete of .bck file - Re: Dell Says on Track Despite Weak PC Demand  Re: DS10 shutting down Re: HP Itanium2 benchmarks Re: HP Itanium2 benchmarks3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?  Java 1.4 soon? Re: Java 1.4 soon?* Looking for 2nd power-supply for an AS2100. RE: Looking for 2nd power-supply for an AS2100 Re: Looking for your opinion Re: McKinley Cometh...+ Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt charts + Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt charts + Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt charts + Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt charts < MotifZone.net - the site for Motif Developers (monthly post) Re: MQSeries Re: MQSeries Re: MQSeries Re: MQSeries Re: MQSeries8 Re: Old CompuServe VAXforum libraries archived anywhere?8 Re: Old CompuServe VAXforum libraries archived anywhere?+ Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) A Re: OpenVMS on third-party platforms (was: Re: VMS port delayed!) A Re: OpenVMS on third-party platforms (was: Re: VMS port delayed!) A Re: OpenVMS on third-party platforms (was: Re: VMS port delayed!) % RF36 in UK, cheap or free (hobby use)  Re: RMS Buffers  Re: RMS Buffers  System Parameters  Re: System Parameters  Re: System Parameters  Re: System Parameters  Re: System Parameters 3 Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay 3 Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay 3 Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay 8 Re: Terminal Emu to MicroVaxII - typed characters effect8 Re: Terminal Emu to MicroVaxII - typed characters effect Terminal input from DCL  Re: Terminal input from DCL  Re: Terminal input from DCL  Re: trivial UNZIP question/ Re: Using GNU C on OpenVMS FAQ (Looking for it)  Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment( Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?( Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?( Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?( Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?# Re: write insert in sequential file   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:35:14 +0200 3 From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> 6 Subject: Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)- Message-ID: <3D3307D2.F101782A@hda.hydro.com>    Dan Pop wrote: > \ > In <3D2F4D15.863C42B5@hda.hydro.com> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> writes: > C > >What is important is to make sure that all accesses are properly I > >aligned, and this can easily lead to significant slowdowns when str*() & > >is used on randomly aligned inputs. > B > It only takes a few byte accesses to get the input word aligned.  D In general, this works nicely on an Alpha, where you'll use a singleG aligned load to grab the 8-byte block that contains the first byte, but D on many other architectures it's a bit more complicated. The easiestD approach is probably to OR in a mask of non-zero bytes, to make sure@ that the spurious additional bytes don't contain any null bytes:     (pseudocode))   aligned_src4 = (t_uint32 *) (src & ~3); +   src_offset = src - (char *) aligned_src4;    data4 = *aligned_src4++;"   data4 |= mask_table[src_offset];0   while ((null_index = nullbyte(data4)) == -1) {     data4 = *aligned_src4++;   } 6   return (char *) aligned_src4 + null_index - src - 4;  H This is sufficient to handle strlen(), but strcpy() (as well as memcpy()F etc.) needs aligned source and destination, and this is harder, unlessF you have a fast double-wide rotate/shift instruction which can be used0 to convert from source to destination alignment.   Terje  --    - <Terje.Mathisen@hda.hydro.com>@ "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:49:52 +0000 (UTC) / From: Sander Vesik <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee> 6 Subject: Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)2 Message-ID: <1026805792.79020@haldjas.folklore.ee>  6 In comp.arch Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > M > In article <agu30s$oep$1@sunnews.cern.ch>, Dan.Pop@ifh.de (Dan Pop) writes: _ > |> In <3D2F4D15.863C42B5@hda.hydro.com> Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> writes:  > |>  F > |> >What is important is to make sure that all accesses are properlyL > |> >aligned, and this can easily lead to significant slowdowns when str*()) > |> >is used on randomly aligned inputs.  > |>  E > |> It only takes a few byte accesses to get the input word aligned.  > C > The problem is the handshaking on SMP systems.  You have a single ? > word operation as one CPU sees it, that spans two cache lines A > (and even pages).  This is non-trivial to get right, and really  > not worth the hassle.   G You didn't read what Dan said - it only takes a few byte accesses until G you do have an input word that is aligned and can be used to implement  F the str* functions. You would not use unaligned word acesses that spanC pages or cache lines, you would use some byte reads until you *are* A aligned (max 3 if you are 32 bitter) and from then on use aligned  word acesses.    >  > 
 > Regards, > Nick Maclaren,, > University of Cambridge Computing Service,@ > New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. > Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk1 > Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679    --   	Sander    +++ Out of cheese error +++    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 08:37:50 GMT From: Dan.Pop@ifh.de (Dan Pop)6 Subject: Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)* Message-ID: <ah0m0u$8fq$1@sunnews.cern.ch>  R In <agv17d$17m$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) writes:  K >In article <agutgd$t14$1@sunnews.cern.ch>, Dan Pop <Dan.Pop@ifh.de> wrote: l >>In <3D32F396.F7A80FC7@mediasec.de> Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> writes: >>J >>>> Nick, I'll accept that it is possible to setup a system in such a wayL >>>> that it is crucial to not even read any bytes past the terminating null
 >>>> byte. >>>>  L >>>> However, IMNSHO if you actually manage to shoot yourself in the foot inA >>>> this way, you really do deserve to bleed all over the floor.  >>> L >>>Why should that be the case? If the terminating null is the last byte on L >>>a page followed by a page that is set no-access, you will have a problem. >>H >>But this is not the scenario under discussion.  The question was aboutG >>the dangers of implementing strcpy by reading one word at a time, not K >>by reading *ahead* words beyond the word containing the terminating null.  > D >Sigh.  You are STILL thinking in terms of a very restrictive model.  % In terms of a very *realistic* model.   H I have never suggested using that technique on architectures that differ from that model.   Dan  -- Dan Pop  DESY Zeuthen, RZ group Email: Dan.Pop@ifh.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:16:47 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: 2 CMS questions$ Message-ID: <3d344719$1@news.si.com>  B >Frankly, the worst source code control system is better than CMS.  K I'm afraid I'll have to disagree.  CVS can hardly hold a candle to CMS.  No J multiple libraries, no multiple lines of descent, no ACLs to control whichJ commands are allowed to whom, no classes, no groups, no librarian functionA (that I know of) for controlling who gets to replace elements, no G REVIEW/ACCEPT.  It's barely able to store ordinary files.  Your comment  puzzles me.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:40:53 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>  Subject: Re: 2 CMS questions2 Message-ID: <87adorczpy.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  = "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:   C >>Frankly, the worst source code control system is better than CMS.  > M > I'm afraid I'll have to disagree.  CVS can hardly hold a candle to CMS.  No  > multiple libraries, A In CVS, any directory can be under CVS administration. As I noted E earlier, I really dislike the CMS "occlusion" concept/implementation.    > no multiple lines of descentF Which CVS version have you seen? Branching and conflict management are) certainly present in the current version.   7 > no ACLs to control which commands are allowed to whom D I've always viewed this as a process issue. In most cases, one wantsH to prevent bogus updates. In that case, restrict write access to the CVS tree to certain groups.    > no classes- Yes, it has classes, they're called "labels".    > no groups   - Yes, it has groups, they're called "modules".    >  no librarian function? > (that I know of) for controlling who gets to replace elements 5 Please see above, one uses directory/file protections    >  no REVIEW/ACCEPT D Although this may be important in some shops (Dod?), I've never seen@ it used. In most cases, a librarian has control over who gets toC checkin modules. A formal HISTORY sentinel may be important in some 1 shops. CVS comments can provide that audit trail.   * > It's barely able to store ordinary filesD Not sure what you mean here. Historically, CVS did have issues w/r/t' binary files; those have been resolved.    > Your comment puzzles me.@ CMS lacks several features that are now recognized as important:D  1) Network-wide library access. What I'd like to see is access fromE  multiple nodes to a central server. I think there is a CVS X Windows E  client, but that's not what I mean. If I don't use X, I can't access   a remote CMS library.  ?  2) CMS lacks the ability to manage local changes w/r/t other's D  updates. That defect's usually covered by a CMS administrator's DCL3  scripts, but it's a useful built-in feature of CVS   E  3) CMS is *very* slow, and not very good (locking issues, bugchecks) $  at managing large user populations.  D FWIW, I going to start research into BitKeeper and subversion. Those? SCCS have been getting interesting reviews, and I may change my  opinion w/r/t CVS.   > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >  >    --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:10 +0200 4 From: Ewa Skotnicka <ewa.skotnicka@polkomtel.com.pl>$ Subject: ACMS tuning - advice needed0 Message-ID: <3D33F7CE.2120A94F@polkomtel.com.pl>  7 I have ACMS V4.2-2 application running OpenVMS 7.2-1H1.   , I need some advice regarding tuning of ACMS.   1.G I'm wondering if there is any way to increase MSS_PROCESS_POOL only for H EXC process (ACMS01EXC001000), because usage of it is far different from all other server processes ?  H $ ACMS /SHO SYSTEM /POOL  says what is the current usage of MSS_POOLSIZE and of8 MSS_PROCESS_POOL for each of ACMS server processes (SP).  F Always there is very small usage (about 1%) of MSS_PROCESS_POOL of SPsA but quite high (sometime 60%) of MSS_PROCESS_POOL of EXC process. 0 But there is one ACMS system parameter for this.B I know that I can define few ACMS$EXC... logicals but they are not helpful for this case.   2.F can we measure an usage of ACMS resources, indirectly ACMS parameters, like: MSS_MAXBUF, MSS_MAXOBJ ?     Thank you in advance.   
 Ewa Skotnicka (  e-mail:  ewa.skotnicka@polkomtel.com.pl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:54:47 GMT / From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70-nospam@attbi.com>  Subject: Bill Hancock?. Message-ID: <rIUY8.219054$Uu2.47254@sccrnsc03>  L Has anybody heard from Bill Hancock lately? I remember his sessions at DECUSL many years ago. He should have been a comic. I'd love to get my hands on one of his books...   	 Mark Levy  SMA    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:33:01 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: Bill Hancock?' Message-ID: <3D34208D.563F0D03@vcu.edu>   F you mean Hancock at Large??????  I still have one of his columns whereC he was talking about 2 people on an airplane, chatting shop talking E about computer security, unaware that someone who under stood exactly < what they were talking about was sitting right behind 'em...   quite an impression...   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:  > N > Has anybody heard from Bill Hancock lately? I remember his sessions at DECUSN > many years ago. He should have been a comic. I'd love to get my hands on one > of his books...  >  > Mark Levy  > SMA    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:38:02 -0400 - From: "kenrbnsn1@rcn.com" <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com>  Subject: RE: Bill Hancock?9 Message-ID: <54360-22002721613382516@M2W043.mail2web.com>   G If you do a Google search, you will see where he is these days=2E=2E=2E   0 First hit <http://www=2Eexodus=2Enet/go/drbill/>   Ken Robinson   Original Message:  ----------------- / From: Mark E=2E Levy mlevy70-nospam@attbi=2Ecom # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:54:47 GMT  To: Info-VAX@Mvb=2ESaic=2ECom  Subject: Bill Hancock?    K Has anybody heard from Bill Hancock lately? I remember his sessions at DEC=  USK many years ago=2E He should have been a comic=2E I'd love to get my hands =  on one of his books=2E=2E=2E   	 Mark Levy  SMA         D --------------------------------------------------------------------+ mail2web - Check your email from the web at  http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:55:42 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Bill Hancock?0 Message-ID: <00A1103F.CB417446@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <rIUY8.219054$Uu2.47254@sccrnsc03>, "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70-nospam@attbi.com> writes:M >Has anybody heard from Bill Hancock lately? I remember his sessions at DECUS M >many years ago. He should have been a comic. I'd love to get my hands on one  >of his books...   I thought he was a comic.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:38:25 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer) Message-ID: <3D33CD71.D957A318@127.0.0.1>    Mark Buda wrote: > B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message. > news:KTCY8.23$1H1.105575@news.cpqcorp.net...? > > >there will be no functional enhancement for Open VMS after : > > >2002 and MIPS will move to Intel-based chips by 2004. > > > G > > Darn.  Should I ask that checkin's for post 2002 releases be backed  > out of > > the source pool? > ? > I'll pull your new source checkins, if you pull my new source  > checkins???!!! >  > or > H > Either all the new code has to be thrown away or some reporter had one7 > too many to drink...  I think I know which one it is.f   Eva Glass was the reporter.S  H I believe the verb was in the direction of the mouth, "heave" does implyG a rather large glass. It's the content we are missing, though I suspectc "Eva" had a skinfull.i   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot comP   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:06:45 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>e8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer0 Message-ID: <ah0nn6$agv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:  H >>>>>there will be no functional enhancement for Open VMS after 2002 and >>>>>n1 >>MIPS will move to Intel-based chips by 2004.>>>- >> > J > This is from the same Gartner VP that is doing joint Sales presentationsH > with IBM on server consolidation (their joint Sales presentation for aG > web seminar was sent to a wide Internet based distr list), so you canr6 > just imagine how objective the above statement is .. >     > As objective as the OpenVMS TCO "study" you keep trotting out.  ? The bottom line is that if you want good press from the Analyst ; community then you need to sponsor some research or be in al very strong market possition.o  : If HP wanted good press from Gartner for OpenVMS then they know exactly how to get it.B   Regardsd Andrew Harrisone     > :-)t >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > Hewlett-Packard Canada# > Consulting & Integration Servicese > Voice: 613-592-4660a > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----= > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com] s > Sent: July 15, 2002 12:38 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como: > Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer >  >  > F >>there will be no functional enhancement for Open VMS after 2002 and . >>MIPS will move to Intel-based chips by 2004. >> >> > I > Darn.  Should I ask that checkin's for post 2002 releases be backed out? > of the source pool?u >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 06:12:14 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207160512.40304bde@posting.google.com>h   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message news:<ah0nn6$agv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...t > Main, Kerry wrote: > J > >>>>>there will be no functional enhancement for Open VMS after 2002 and > >>>>>l3 > >>MIPS will move to Intel-based chips by 2004.>>>V > >> > > L > > This is from the same Gartner VP that is doing joint Sales presentationsJ > > with IBM on server consolidation (their joint Sales presentation for aI > > web seminar was sent to a wide Internet based distr list), so you cans8 > > just imagine how objective the above statement is .. > >  >  > @ > As objective as the OpenVMS TCO "study" you keep trotting out. > A > The bottom line is that if you want good press from the Analysto= > community then you need to sponsor some research or be in as > very strong market possition.  > < > If HP wanted good press from Gartner for OpenVMS then they > know exactly how to get it.  > 	 > Regardss > Andrew Harrison  >   ; yea, just stuff a few thousands dollars in their pocket ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:20:31 -0400R- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>s8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer5 Message-ID: <ah1dk1$ppi9o$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>e  = "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in messagen3 news:3d331e66.3178546928@proxy.news.easynews.com...  >...G > doesn't mention VMS in big letters, underlined in red, quotated, withaE > circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one,n+ > are going to continue to be disappointed.  >...  J Thanks, I read line and now the song (all 25 minutes of it) won't leave my head!e  4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant" Walk right in it's around the back* Just a half a mile from the railroad track4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant     -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.w   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 16:20:05 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)c8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer, Message-ID: <ah1h3l$1mik$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  5 In article <ah1dk1$ppi9o$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>,-0  "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:@ |> "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in message6 |> news:3d331e66.3178546928@proxy.news.easynews.com... |> >... J |> > doesn't mention VMS in big letters, underlined in red, quotated, withH |> > circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one,. |> > are going to continue to be disappointed. |> >...- |> -M |> Thanks, I read line and now the song (all 25 minutes of it) won't leave myu |> head! |> :7 |> You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurantu7 |> You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurantf% |> Walk right in it's around the backt- |> Just a half a mile from the railroad track 7 |> You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant    Excepting Alicet   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:18:47 -0400-* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: DEC 3000 Hobbyist- Message-ID: <0033000072679951000002L012*@MHS>B   =0AHmmm.   I'm wondering about the CD-ROM.5  % I don't think it's a block size issueo# because you shouldn't get as far as ) you do in the startup process as you are.w  $ What make and model of CD-ROM is it?  % Have you tried a conversational boot?-  & (If you haven't gotten the FAQ and the!  MicroVAX FAQ by now, you should)2       boot -fl 0,1 DKA500X  * I also see that the SCSI_RESET environment+ causes a time delay in milliseconds after a ) SCSI reset and before booting the system-y values are 0-7;o  
 the book sayso  use 3 for removable media drive;  use 4 (default) for tape drives; use 6 for CDs.    so it looks like you could try a   SET SCSI_RESET 6  + There are also eight diagnostic LEDs on the . right side of the box as defined as right from
 a front view.-  % They display hexadecimal error codes.   1 Some can view them through the vents on the case,u+ others have to remove the case to see them.3  + Others still just envision it caseless. :^)Y  . What's up with these as you boot and where you get wedged?t   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET # Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:28 PMvB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: DEC 3000 Hobbyist     >>> test   T-STS-ASIC - OKo T-STS-MEM - OK T-STS-NVR - OK- [ lots of pretty patterns on the screen now ]  T-STS-SCC - OK
 T-STS-NI - OK  T-STS-SCSI A - OK- T-STS-ISDN - OK- T-STS-FEROM - OK  D I conclude that the hardware checks out OK.  I wonder if the problem is::  
 1.  PALcode ?" 2.  CD-ROM block size ?u 3.  Bad copy of Hobbyist CD?   Chip   -- Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwell  "Turn on, log in, tune out"g    + WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:8  - > type TEST at the console prompt and tell usl > what you get.l  . > Here are the specific tests that are listed:   > test asic 
 > test cxt > test ferom > test isdn (yeah right)
 > test mem	 > test nif
 > test nvr
 > test scc# > test scsi (erase, format, verify)o
 > test tcn   > Thought this might help.   > WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:59 PM D > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Subject: DEC 3000 Hobbyist    E > I'm a newbie to VMS who recently rescued a DEC 3000 - M300 from thenF > trash with the intention of booting VMS on it using the Hobbyist CD.B > So far, I haven't had much success.  When I give a "boot DKA500"A > command at the console, it finds the CD-ROM (device DKA500, see H > listing below) blinks the read light for a while and throws up a line=    7 >     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2.  A > after a while, the CD-ROM activity ceases and nothing else getseF > displayed on the screen.  I've waited for hours, and I'm pretty sure > it's wedged.  D > When I got it, the DEC 3000 was running Digital Unix and booted upF > just fine, so I'm pretty confident the hardware is OK.  When I triedE > to install from the Hobbyist CD, it complained that my firmware was D > out of date, so I upgraded it (not without adventure).  Here's how > things stand now:e   >>>> show config   > DEC 3000 - M300r > Digital Equipment Corporation H >      VPP PAL V5.56-80800101/OSF PAL V1.45-80800201 - Built on 28-JAN-= 1997
 > 10:54:25.34n  # > TCINFO      DEVNAM        DEVSTATe$ > ------      --------      --------H >                  CPU       OK KN16-AA -V7.0-S889-I21F-sV2.0-DECchip 2= 1064( P3.0 >                  OSC      150 MHz >                 ASIC      OK >                  MEM      OK >                FEROM      OK > 6  >                  CXT      OK > 5y >                  NVR      OK >                  SCC      OK >                   NI      OK >                 ISDN      OK > 4S >                 SCSI      OK  F > Everything seems OK, and furthermore, the computer continues to bootB > up under Digital Unix just fine, so I think the firmware upgradeH > succeeded (although I've read warnings about upgrading firmware on DE= C > > 3000 -400, apparently I got away with it on the model -300).  H > I've been goofing around with console environment variables to try to=  E > get this thing to boot from the CD-ROM, but so far without success.!F > Here's the current working set (the BOOT_OSFLAGS is changed from "A"F > for Digital Unix to "0,0" for VMS, but doesn't seem to matter as far+ > as booting from the CD-ROM is concerned):u  	 >>>> showM   > AUTO_ACTION =3D HALT > BOOTDEF_DEV =3D DKA300 > BOOT_OSFLAGS =3D 0,0 > ENABLE_AUDIT =3D OFF > BOOT_RESET =3D ONt > SCSI_RESET =3D 4 > DIAG_LOE =3D OFF > DIAG_QUICK =3D OFF > DIAG_SECTION =3D 1 > DUMP_DEV =3D( > ETHERNET =3D 08-00-2B-BE-5F-0E , TENBT > LANGUAGE =3D 3 > MOP =3D ON > SECURE =3D OFF > POWERUP_TIME =3D {NULL}f
 > RADIX =3D 0n > SCSI_A =3D 7 > TRIGGER =3D OFFt  " > and here's the device situation:  
 >>>> show devt  H >   BOOTDEV      ADDR      DEVTYPE    NUMBYTES      RM/FX    WP    DEVN=	 AM    REVnH >   -------      ----      -------    --------      -----    --    ----=	 --    ---t* >   ESA0         08-00-2B-BE-5F-0E , TENBTH >   DKA300       A/3/0     DISK         1.05GB       FX            RZ26= L H 440C >   DKA500       A/5/0     RODISK     681.57MB       RM      WP   =  CDR400t% 1.0j >  ..HostID..    A/7       INITR-  / > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.,   > Chip   > -- > Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwelln > "Turn on, log in, tune out"=   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:45:18 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r  Subject: Re: Delete of .bck file3 Message-ID: <gRhIkzCap6LC@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  ^ In article <3D32F2CA.669CA544@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes: > Group, > ) > How do you delete a .bck file off tape?n      You have several choices:  =    1) Degauss the tape, then everything on it really is gone.t  D    2) Re-initialize the tape.  Then it looks like everything is gone@       and on some drives the microcode won't let you look to see       what's really there.  <    3) Place a second EOF mark right after the trailer of theC       previous file, this requires knowing ANSI/ASCII tape labelingmD       so you can find the trailer.  The double EOF serves as logicalC       end of tape, so normally nothing after that will be read.  On F       some drives the standard firmware won't even let you try to readC       after that.  You've also deleted all the files after the .bcka       file.{  D    4) Copy all the files to disk.  Delete the .bck file.  Degauss or?       re-init the tape.  Copy the remaining files back to tape.t  D    5) Copy all files before the .bck file to another tape, skip thatC       file, then copy all the remaining files to the second tape.  i       Recycle the original.s  D    6) Get an 11/750 with it's odd little cartridge drive that thinksF       it's a disk.  Enter the delete command and go to lunch while the)       tape drive runs around for a while.-   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:45:55 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)j  Subject: Re: Delete of .bck file3 Message-ID: <p0cKTzIFlWvE@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  l In article <3d331353.3175711501@proxy.news.easynews.com>, prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) writes: > B > Mount the tape and use the DELETE command from DCL.  Or is there) > more to your question that I'm missing?s  >    And just howmany times have you actually seen that succeed?   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 05:54:46 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: Delete of .bck file< Message-ID: <343f30ae.0207160454.c360165@posting.google.com>  Z p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<UcL+w4UD3grp@elias.decus.ch>...` > In article <3D331174.23335CC9@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:F > > I have five *.bck files on one DLT 40/TAPE. The name of the file IE > > want to delete off the tape is called us15jul02.bck. What commandi > > would I use? > > M > You can't. Simple as that. Tapes are serial devices - think about trying tooN > delete a TV program from a VCR tape or a music track from an audio cassette.     Why is this hard?   # 1. Time how long the selection is. 2  1 2. Cue the tape to the beginning of the program.    9 3. Set your VCR to line or if audio provide silent input.b  K 4. Record for the duration of the selection using the time found in step 1.H    7 Now for DAT and DLT tapes you can't do that, of course.1     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmann afeldman gfigroup coms   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:09:57 GMT:# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>)6 Subject: Re: Dell Says on Track Despite Weak PC DemandH Message-ID: <pzXY8.18821$WsS.17926@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  < "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote in message9 news:RAEX8.331542$R61.296079@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...h >> >oG > Gotta hand it to Dell. They continue to do pretty darned well. Longerg term,jK > though, will the firm be able to extend itself into the enterprise, wherebC > systems are generally not purchased over the Web? Time will tell.e    G Lots of companies ALREADY think that the top-end of what Dell currently J sells IS enterprise enough for them. As Dell continues to stick with theirI strategy, they will pick-up new customers as MS improves the stability of  their server OS.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 01:51 CDTb' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)h Subject: Re: DS10 shutting down - Message-ID: <16JUL200201514547@gerg.tamu.edu>n  - p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) writes...b }Keven Handy wrote: B }>Ok, the system powered down and I had them read off the settings? }>from a 'show power' command shortly after the crash. This wasm? }>read to me over the phone, so it should have looked somethingm }>like:  }> }>	>>> show poweru }> }>	Power Supply: goodi }>	...           goodr }>	CPU Fan:      good  }>	Temperature:  goodh }>. }>	Current ambient temperature is 41 degrees C) }>	System shutdown is set to 60 degrees C2 }>- }>	0 Enviornmental events are logged in nvrami }> }>	>>> }> }>> }>I had them watch the ambiant temp for a little while, but it }>only went from 40 to 41. } M }Way too hot! On Friday I did a bit of digging and confirmed it by talking to + }a couple of VAX/Alpha hardware engineers. i } N }My monitoring program rings an alarms when systems go above 28 degrees C, and3 }recommends an emergency shutdown above 35 degrees.i }__- }Paul StureN  A You (and they) are mistaken. I don't know where the DS10 has it's C temperature sensor, but it is someplace that gets relatively warm -1< it may be on the processor heat sink or someplace like that.  G I have never seen mine below 39 degrees C after it has been up for more"I than a few minutes. It is usually at 41 or 42 degrees. (This is an XP900, = so it might be slightly hotter than a DS10 without graphics.)e  C If it were too hot, it would say that it is too hot, not that it is E "good" - and it says it is "good" at that temperature. The SHOW POWERdB example in the console reference manual shows output with a systemB shutdown temperature that is at 55C, 5 lower than shown above. TheF manual doesn't give any indication of how to set this value - I assumeI it is a console environment variable, but it is not listed in the manual. 3 Whatever the defaults are, that is what I am using.y  H I would have to guess that you are talking about a sensor in a differentC system that is nowhere near anything hot. If you set a DS10 to yourdG settings it would never run, it would shut itself down during boot oncetF it started the SMHANDLER process (well, it would probably keep runningH if the room it was in was cooled excessively - if the air temperature in/ the room were under 10C it would probably run).7   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:24:27 +0200o3 From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com>u# Subject: Re: HP Itanium2 benchmarksM- Message-ID: <3D33CA2B.C1602F6B@hda.hydro.com>r   Rob Young wrote: > e > In article <3D304121.1C8AF571@hda.hydro.com>, Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com> writes:tK > > One obvious idea would be to require the pointer array to be a power ofsJ > > two in size, and then use all of it, except the zero'eth entry, with a9 > > simple LFSR random number generator to initialize it.0 > >1I > > I know I have saved away a table of suitable maximum-length generatorv > > polynomials. > >o > / >         So how soon will we see tmbench?  ;-)@  E Never, probably. I'll see if I can write a replacement initializationh function though.   Terjem -- t  - <Terje.Mathisen@hda.hydro.com>@ "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:20:22 +0200>( From: Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de># Subject: Re: HP Itanium2 benchmarkst, Message-ID: <ngo0ha.aqg.ln@miriam.mikron.de>   Terje Mathisen wrote:MG > Never, probably. I'll see if I can write a replacement initializatione > function though.  	 Try that:    #include <stdio.h>   int latency(int n, int m)w {j   long * array[n];
   long * tmp; "   int i, j, seed=0, next, mod=n-1;   for(i=0; i<n; i++) {     next=seed*0x10450405+1;o,     /* printf("Index %2x\n", next & mod); */2     array[next & mod]=(long*)(array+(seed & mod));     seed=next;   }    tmp = (long *)(array);   for(j=0; j<m; j++)     for(i=0; i<n; i++)       tmp = (long *) *tmp;  !   return (long)array - (long)tmp;  }    int main(int argc, char** argv)  {,   if(argc != 3) {hB     printf("Usage: bench n m  for 2^n addresses and 2^m loops\n");
     return 1;,   }u9   return latency(1 << atoi(argv[1]), 1 << atoi(argv[2]));s }c  I I didn't add timing, and the main function is just a testbench (compiled  J with gcc -O2 -funroll-loops). The return value should be zero, it's there > to keep the compiler from optimizing away the memory accesses.  M My Athlon 1800+ (1.533GHz) on a nForce chipset needs for 2^30 accesses about  J 2s, 8s, and 156s (L1, L2, main memory), i.e. 3 cycles L1 back-to-back, 12 5 cycles L2 back-to-back, and ~150ns DRAM back-to-back.i   --   Bernd Paysan7 "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"' http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:16:48 +0100,( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?) Message-ID: <3D33C860.E66F0570@127.0.0.1>e   "Kenneth H. Fairfield" wrote:p >   D >     OK, VMS 5.5-2 means you've got VAX hardware.  Personally, I'veF > never met a VAX without a/the MACRO assembler.  Ships as part of theH > O/S.  Not to question your veracity, :-) but what evidence to you haveH > that said MACRO assembler?  (In fact, while I can't imagine how to getG > rid of the MACRO assembler, I can imagine a _really_ _twisted_ personf2 > removing the MACRO verb from DCLTABLES, yuck!!!)  A When doing the VMS installation, if you don't select the OPTIONALaE components, then you don't get macro, and a whole load of other bits.3  F I'm quite sure you can use DCL, the only issue is that DCL will not beG happy about the 512 records, so I'd write them out in (say) 128 chunks,a then use an FDL to convert.b  D The old Kermit had/has a 'boot' program which is fairly small and isH used to reliably get kermit onto your system to perform the remainder of
 the transfer.a  
 Good luck.  E (I had to do something similar for getting binaries onto a PDP11 fromu? another PDP11 via a VAX and not a network card in sight. I used 0 BASIC-PLUS and cobbled my own program together.)   -- r? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesa nclews at csc dot comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:51:25 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?( Message-ID: <3D33D07D.9BE99B1@gtech.com>   Jamie Stallwood wrote: > An easy question :)-   I guess so.1  / I am not sure DCL is the best languages though.B   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:52:37 +02000= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> < Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?) Message-ID: <3D33D0C5.9701A245@gtech.com>c   Jamie Stallwood wrote:B > I have acquired a mchine with no TCP/IP, no MACRO, no languages,  A How did they manage to get MACRO off ? Deleting the EXE file or ?   / (AFAIK it is part of VMS for any VMS version !)s   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:04:15 +0100CE From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net>s< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?8 Message-ID: <gpk7juoosan7oipi7reake8ve8pn1a953u@4ax.com>  3 On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:38:31 +0100, Jamie Stallwoods6 <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote:   >An easy question :)  E Thanks for all the replies. I'm going to use the VMS-SHARE to get thet6 base CMUIP and UNZIP on, thereafter all is hunky-dory.  B And yes, some people obviously are evil enough to delete MACRO32 !   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:38:21 +0100i( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?) Message-ID: <3D33DB7D.76074549@127.0.0.1>A   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Jamie Stallwood wrote:D > > I have acquired a mchine with no TCP/IP, no MACRO, no languages, > C > How did they manage to get MACRO off ? Deleting the EXE file or ?- > 1 > (AFAIK it is part of VMS for any VMS version !)E  I http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/6630/6630pro_016.html#append_xl  F I'll correct myself, MACRO is included in the LIBRARY not the OPTIONAL components.h   -- -? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:38:50 -0700h+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> < Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?' Message-ID: <3D3413DA.6010503@mmaz.com>t  & --------------0608060305010301040006039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti       Jamie Stallwood wrote:  E >On 15 Jul 2002 19:05:25 +0200, huber@vms.mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)9 >wrote:o >e >  i >a >>In article <6ju5jucnfst53hk8hlqs6fn131g15mq2sk@4ax.com>, Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> writes: >>     >> >>>An easy question :)	 >>>      n >>>o( >>Probably yes, You can write it in DCL.- >>But why not use the programs written in C ?  >>B >>If You have HP/Compaq/Digital TCPIP services, then simply define  >>$ uudecode :== $TCPIP$UUDECODE  >>$ uuencode :== $TCPIP$UUENCODE >>M >>Or look into the various freeware archives for versions of uuencode/decode.. >>     >> >hG >I have acquired a mchine with no TCP/IP, no MACRO, no languages, and aeD >flaky kermit that stops after 1k. Hence I am trying to put stuff onC >it, but need to bootstrap it by getting CMU-IP on, then everythingp >else. >n/ >It's 5.5-2 btw, no CDA$CONVERT before you ask.h >IG >I tried the ODS2 package at vms.process, but an IMPORT accvios (turned F >out to be deleting a VCB pointer) and then says no free blocks in theF >bitmap. If anyone knows a better way of using a floppy I might have a >chance! >n >  p >t  F There is a hexify/dehexify which was commonly used to transfer binary E information by way of less sophisticated means.  For you do say that -A Macro32 doesn't exist is odd since it is part of the base VMS OS.N   Barry.   -- I  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028       & --------------060806030501030104000603) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitS  ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">    <title></title>t </head>  <body> <br> <br> Jamie Stallwood wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite"e6  cite="miden36jusvs8emjr3obigf3hv4ac4coicmps@4ax.com">   <pre wrap="">On 15 Jul 2002 19:05:25 +0200, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:huber@vms.mppmu.mpg.de">huber@vms.mppmu.mpg.de</a> (Joseph Huber) wrote:     </pre>   <blockquote type="cite">\    <pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:6ju5jucnfst53hk8hlqs6fn131g15mq2sk@4ax.com">&lt;6ju5jucnfst53hk8hlqs6fn131g15mq2sk@4ax.com&gt;</a>, Jamie Stallwood <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net">&lt;this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net&gt;</a> writes:
     </pre>     <blockquote type="cite">&       <pre wrap="">An easy question :)       </pre>     </blockquote>27     <pre wrap="">Probably yes, You can write it in DCL.U+ But why not use the programs written in C ?I  @ If You have HP/Compaq/Digital TCPIP services, then simply define $ uudecode :== $TCPIP$UUDECODE $ uuencode :== $TCPIP$UUENCODE  K Or look into the various freeware archives for versions of uuencode/decode. 
     </pre>   </blockquote>    <pre wrap=""><!---->F I have acquired a mchine with no TCP/IP, no MACRO, no languages, and aC flaky kermit that stops after 1k. Hence I am trying to put stuff onDB it, but need to bootstrap it by getting CMU-IP on, then everything else..  . It's 5.5-2 btw, no CDA$CONVERT before you ask.  F I tried the ODS2 package at vms.process, but an IMPORT accvios (turnedE out to be deleting a VCB pointer) and then says no free blocks in the-E bitmap. If anyone knows a better way of using a floppy I might have av chance!b     </pre>
 </blockquote>l <br>Q There is a hexify/dehexify which was commonly used to transfer binary information2M by way of less sophisticated means. &nbsp;For you do say that Macro32 doesn't 5 exist is odd since it is part of the base VMS OS.<br>n <br>	 Barry<br>e2 <pre class="moz-signature" cols="$mailwrapcol">--   D Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President &amp; CIO    E-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Treahy@mmaz.com">Treahy@mmaz.com</a> * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028</pre>d <br> </body>  </html>   ( --------------060806030501030104000603--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:48:16 +0200.9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>o< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?' Message-ID: <3D341610.67B6DA49@aaa.com>u  2 But you need to get dehexify installed the system.1 That's the point with VAX-SHARE, it don't require 1 anything more then DCL and TPU to unpack any file  on the target system.i   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e  n   > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >  > G > There is a hexify/dehexify which was commonly used to transfer binarynF > information by way of less sophisticated means.  For you do say thatC > Macro32 doesn't exist is odd since it is part of the base VMS OS.e >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:52:02 GMTi/ From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70-nospam@attbi.com>-< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?. Message-ID: <SFUY8.219050$Uu2.47234@sccrnsc03>  J "Jamie Stallwood" <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net> wrote in: message news:6ju5jucnfst53hk8hlqs6fn131g15mq2sk@4ax.com... > An easy question :)n  F It is an easy question, but the bigger question is why? I once wrote aL "production" program in DCL, it's purpose was to parse a large file (>30,000I blocks). It took four hours to run. I re-wrote it in Basic, and it ran in?. under 2 minutes, doing exactly the same thing.  	 Mark Levy:   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:34:03 GMTl" From: "Joe Silagi" <joesi@wrq.com>< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?; Message-ID: <L1XY8.53723$Yb1.61368@sea-read.news.verio.net>.  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D338792.20FDD3A3@fsi.net...d > Jamie Stallwood wrote: > >cH > > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:06:54 +0200, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com>
 > > wrote: > >e= > > >Can you have a terminal emulator connected that uses thea2 > > >console (or some other hard-wired terminal) ? > > > D > > >Then, if nothing else works, you could build VMS-SHARE files ofG > > >anything you'd like to move to your system. Then, on the connectedcD > > >PC, cut-n-paste the VMS-SHARE file from Notepad via the consoleB > > >to your system. then just run your VMS-SHARE file to "unpack"< > > >your files. You must have a working TPU on your system. > > > 1 > > >What do you mean by "need to bootstrap it" ?  > > >Isn't the box booted ?O > >n > > Thanks Jan,l. > > That's what I needed. I have reflection 4, >-J > Then, if your R/4 is complete, you should have an option buried in thereD > somewhere to upload the VAXLINK2 program. Look for UPLOADVX,RCL orH > UPLOADVX.RBS in the Reflection directory tree if you don't find a menu2 > option. All else fails, look in Reflection Help.  B FYI: Prior to Reflection 9.0 (R2 and R4) the upload file was namedF uploadvx.rbs as indicated above.  In 9.0 and later releases the uploadH scripts are localized in three other languages other than English.  As aI result of the localization the filenames have been changed to include the L locale.  For example: the English upload script is named upvxenu.rbs.   (The9 other locales are: frn=French, jpn=Japanese, deu=German.)u  
 Joe Silagi	 WRQ, Inc.t     >  > -- > David J. Dachteram > dba DJE Systemst > http://www.djesys.com/ >r* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:44:22 -0400-! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>u< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?' Message-ID: <3D344D66.994A36A9@vcu.edu>w  4 Hey, do you have FORTRAN?????  I have xmodem, ...???   Jamie Stallwood wrote: >  > An easy question :)e   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:00:09 -0700* From: cgilley@bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) Subject: Java 1.4 soon? = Message-ID: <139d5a58.0207160600.1b96607a@posting.google.com>C  ? I notice that I can download 1.3.1 for openVMS alpha.  Any clueeE when/if 1.4 is coming?  I'm trying to breath some new technology into D my organization, and Java would help me a bit.  90% of my company isD totally ignorant of VMS - the alphas just sit in the corner and run, and run, and run.....a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:04:49 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o Subject: Re: Java 1.4 soon?e( Message-ID: <3D343611.3ED47C8@gtech.com>   Charles Gilley wrote: A > I notice that I can download 1.3.1 for openVMS alpha.  Any clue G > when/if 1.4 is coming?  I'm trying to breath some new technology intomF > my organization, and Java would help me a bit.  90% of my company isF > totally ignorant of VMS - the alphas just sit in the corner and run, > and run, and run.....t  6 Any particular reason you want 1.4 ? (like java.nio.*)  : I am pretty sure that the majority of Java stuff are still
 using 1.3.1 !s   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:29:16 GMT + From: Roland Barmettler <rob@bbp.ch.remove>c3 Subject: Looking for 2nd power-supply for an AS2100h7 Message-ID: <20020716132912.4ad44f5f.rob@bbp.ch.remove>v   Helloa  A I'm looking for a 2nd power-supply (P/N: H7893-AA) for my AS2100. D Would any of you in Europe have one willing to sell for a reasonable  price or know where to get one ? Thanks!a   Greetings, Rolando  F --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------:              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, SwitzerlandF ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:42:21 -0400i* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>7 Subject: RE: Looking for 2nd power-supply for an AS2100 - Message-ID: <0033000072673016000002L062*@MHS>-  5 =0AHave you contacted Dave Turner at Island Computers  www dot islandco dot com   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET3$ Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:35 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET3 Subject: Looking for 2nd power-supply for an AS2100      Helloi  A I'm looking for a 2nd power-supply (P/N: H7893-AA) for my AS2100. D Would any of you in Europe have one willing to sell for a reasonable  price or know where to get one ? Thanks!o   Greetings, Roland1  F --------------- bbp - Biveroni Batschelet Partners AG ----------------:              Bahnhofstrasse 28, CH-5401 Baden, SwitzerlandG ----------------------------------------------------------------------=e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:20:13 +0200d2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)% Subject: Re: Looking for your opinion-; Message-ID: <3d33d73d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>>  0 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@attbi.com) wrote:( > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote...K > > My Alpha doesn't fit on my seatback table at 35,000 feet, so Bookreader.I > > is out. Besides when I want to open the window to cool the thing off, 8 > > the cabin attendants and pilots give me funny looks. >mJ > Apparently you don't have a Tadpole Alphabook I. It'll fit on a seatback? > table, but the battery is only good for about 45 minutes. ;-}p  E Apparently it's been a while since you used an Alphabook. That damned+G thing was getting *very* hot (the whole enclosure was made of Magnesium;F to help cooling) every time the CPU was in non-idle mode. Something to melt seatback tables...p   cu,    Martin -- aG                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4 Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deK the Borg have proper       |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/n; networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dep   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 10:08:50 +02002 From: Christoph Breitkopf <chris@chr-breitkopf.de> Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...h7 Message-ID: <m3hej0drhp.fsf@eddie.mignet.mragrathea.de>c  ( Ken Green <Ken.Green@kgcc.co.uk> writes:  F > > I don't know what PA-RISC's current main-memory access latency is, > 0 > IIRC the N-Class (rp7400) had a 130ns latency.  ? A few weeks ago I measured 287ns on a rp5400 (1 PA8600 540MHz).j% First level cache latency was 5.55ns.-   Regards, Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:29:45 +0200 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>D4 Subject: Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt charts+ Message-ID: <3D33CB69.9A9314A5@mediasec.de>   C > Whether IA64 can deliver as good performance as its rivals in the/> > absence of profile-directed feedback and other such advancedF > optimization techniques is an interesting question.  An awful lot ofH > application developers just build their apps with the default compilerD > options, or compile with optimization turned off (a habit acquiredE > due to the buggy nature of the optimizers in early UNIX compilers).,  G While I think the time should be gone for delivering non-optimized codenI to customers, profile-directed feedback is another matter, and I stronglyiI disapprove of the SPEC CPU committee's decision in this regard. The majormK problem isn't really useability - although that is a problem, but somethingdM which can be solved with the investment of a little effort, and which carries L through to new versions of the application (or whatever) concerned: The realK problem is defining and finding an approriate training data set to generateeJ feedback for the compiler. And this needs continuous re-evaluation, and inI a commercial setting requires access to information a software vendor is CK likely not to have - or do you think your customers are going to supply you-N willy-nilly with appropriate data!? Which will be changing in time, of course,H and you can only hope that today's feedback-directed optimization (to beK verified by comparison runs - another useability problem) doesn't turn intot% tomorrow's pessimization, as it were.   G Maybe SPEC should have a third category? Or somebody will loan me an HP J McKinley system with compilers, and I can submit a score in which feedback hasn't been used?5   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:32:09 +0200DE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>i4 Subject: Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt charts+ Message-ID: <3D33CBF9.925B5063@mediasec.de>h  M > Umm, when the ES80 and GS1280 come out, do you think they will be devoid ofVJ > performance metrics? And what of the 1.25GHz ES45 and GS320 due out in a > month or so?  G Since John Henning has left Compaq a year ago, Compaq results have beenpH conspicuously almost-absent from the SPEC CPU website. And many of thoseI that have been published have been for Intel-based SMP servers using rateJ	 scores...3   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:53:50 GMTt0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)4 Subject: Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt charts9 Message-ID: <3d344088.3252820809@proxy.news.easynews.com>   * On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:29:45 +0200, Jan C.? =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> wrote:1  D >> Whether IA64 can deliver as good performance as its rivals in the? >> absence of profile-directed feedback and other such advancedgG >> optimization techniques is an interesting question.  An awful lot oftI >> application developers just build their apps with the default compileraE >> options, or compile with optimization turned off (a habit acquired F >> due to the buggy nature of the optimizers in early UNIX compilers). >/H >While I think the time should be gone for delivering non-optimized codeJ >to customers, profile-directed feedback is another matter, and I strongly@ >disapprove of the SPEC CPU committee's decision in this regard.  A For VMS customers, the SPEC set really isn't the issue here.  The-> issue is that an integral part of the EPIC concept embodied inD Itanium is that the compiler has or can derive enough information toE properly schedule the instruction bundles (this it the 'E' [explicit]-> part of EPIC).  At the present state of the art of programmingD languages and compilers, profile-directed feedback is the best known5 method of providing this information to the compiler.   > You're absolutely correct in your remarks concerning choice ofC training sets, etc.  This is what concerns me--the general softwareo; development community has to a great extent been accustomed>@ to compiling without optimization turned on, never mind buildingB training sets and using feedback.  This is not good news for real-B world Itanium performance.  The VMS community suffers less in thisA regard than others, in that it had always been DEC's and Compaq'sIF policy to ship their compilers with optimization turned on by default,C exactly so that the lazy or inexperienced users get the benefits ofh3 optimization without having to do anything special.r   
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:23:28 GMTy# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n4 Subject: Re: McKinley tops SpecFP AND SpecInt chartsH Message-ID: <kEYY8.77565$WJf1.5551@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  = "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in message 3 news:3d344088.3252820809@proxy.news.easynews.com...a >a@ > You're absolutely correct in your remarks concerning choice ofE > training sets, etc.  This is what concerns me--the general softwaret= > development community has to a great extent been accustomedsB > to compiling without optimization turned on, never mind buildingD > training sets and using feedback.  This is not good news for real-D > world Itanium performance.  The VMS community suffers less in thisC > regard than others, in that it had always been DEC's and Compaq'ssH > policy to ship their compilers with optimization turned on by default,E > exactly so that the lazy or inexperienced users get the benefits ofo5 > optimization without having to do anything special.     F That's why Sun users always have to upgrade their hardware to the next@ faster system. :-) It's good for hardware sales to ship with the# optimization not a default setting.J  F I would go a bit father than you did in your statement - you are quiteH correct when you say that lazy/inexperienced programmers.....etc..., butI many so-called 'experienced' programmers in the commercial world are likesF this too. They bounce from company to company, always thrown at codingK tasks, and never given the opportunity to learn about any idiosyncrasies orwL optimization settings of the compilers. Good programmers do take the time toK figure this out, but sometimes it's more than just a matter of being good -wJ sometimes it takes guts to stand up to a manager who simply wants to countI lines of code as a measure of progress and telling him/her to go stick iteC and to leave you alone while you familiarize yourself with compiler 	 switches.Y  H I've seen teams where some people knew about this and others didn't, andK there was no attempt to ensure that there was knowledge transfer/mentoring.f Some teams huh?f   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 14:57:43 GMT! From: Mark Hatch <mhatch@ics.com> E Subject: MotifZone.net - the site for Motif Developers (monthly post)a' Message-ID: <3D343465.85488A78@ics.com>t  D The Motif Zone (http://www.motifzone.net) is the center of a growingH community of open source developers dedicated to the ongoing developmentG and maintenance of Open Motif. In the last 12 months, the MotifZone hasbB hosted over 500,000 downloads of Open Motif and processed over 30+G Million website hits. With over 6,000 registered members, the MotifZoneeE provides an unique site that combines the talents of mission criticalw> application developers with the innovations of the open source
 community.  G The latest binaries and sources of Open Motif 2.2.x, as well as related B software, are hosted at the MotifZone and are freely available forE downloads. An anonymous CVS tree is also provided to those that wouldoD like to enhance or just learn more about the GUI toolkit that is theH industry standard on UNIX workstations. In addition, the MotifZone hosts3 the official Open Motif defect tracking system too.   E A number of community efforts are underway at the MotifZone to extend-  and improve Motif. Specifically:B - Open Motif 2.x+ (Want to help evolve Motif? Go to the Open Motif2 project page: http://www.motifzone.net/openmotif/) - Embedded Open Motif  - Themes for OpenMotif  H For developers looking to program using the Motif toolkit, the MotifZone@ offers the Internet's largest collection of reference materials,E tutorials, technical articles and formal documentation on X and MotifdH programming. Hundred's of links are provided to both commercial and open( source tools that can speed development.  A The Open Help Forums provides a selection of channels for postinguG questions and receiving help from your peers. The signal-to-noise ratio G of these channels is high with questions typically being "on-topic" and1E none of the usual "get rich quick" scams seen on the comp.x.windows.*:@ newsgroups. The use of nicknames for  identification provides anH effective barrier to spammers that comb the newsgroups looking for email
 addresses.  H And of course, the MotifZone provides the usual collection of feeds fromC sites like Freshmeat, Slashdot and Linux Today so that you can stay . current with the latest changes in technology.  < The Motif Zone is sponsored by Integrated Computer SolutionsE (http://www.ics.com), provider of the leading GUI Builder for X/Motift@ developers, Builder Xcessory PRO. Download a free eval today at: http://www.ics.com/getbxpro/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:02:08 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>l Subject: Re: MQSeriesoG Message-ID: <4XTY8.18390$WsS.7603@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   0 "Evan" <beantown31@hotmail.com> wrote in message6 news:47ab7ff7.0207151903.76c7819@posting.google.com...0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageE news:<DEGY8.67405$WJf1.15315@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...C; > > "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam> wrote in message * > > news:3d3327a6$1@news.swissonline.ch... > > > Hello, > > >,I > > > is there somebody out there, who is using MQSeries from IBM for VMSo AXP?A > > > I would be glad to hear about expriences with this product.p > >tL > > I have not used it on VMS, but I have used it extensively on Solaris and AIXyE > > (1994-2000). It works exactly as advertised. It is pretty easy tog	 use...yourK > > really only need concern yourself with about 4-5 command verbs for mostn > > applications.O > H > my experience has been painful. we've recently upgraded to v5 and haveF > been working out problems for several weeks. ibm has very little vmsE > support and virtually none in the states. we recently dropped mqsi,rH > another type of message transfer they offer. i'd look for alternatives    J That reminds me ....there was supposed to be a 'common' messaging standardJ of some sort worked out years ago. Can't recall what the acronym was...butK it was being worked on by IBM, Peerlogic, Momentum (X-IPC????), and DigitallJ (before DECmessageQ) was sold to BEA. If the common interface standard wasG ever worked out, and you are implementing messaging for the first time,oJ maybe you should call BEA to see what they have that is more VMS-friendly.  D One of the stock exchanges did a beauty contest of all the availableI messaging software back in 1994-timeframe, and liked both DECmessageQ andlH IBM MQ, but settled on MQ because they didn't believe that Digital wouldA maintain the product long enough for them to be able to recommend-K DECmessageQ to their members for long-term use. Prescient. I still may evenD% have a copy of their study someplace.4   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:10:54 GMT.. From: Jack Fortune <jack_fortune@towergrp.com> Subject: Re: MQSeries-- Message-ID: <1103_1026825054@news.cis.dfn.de>:  Q On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:50:13 +0200, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam> wrote:g > Hello, > J > is there somebody out there, who is using MQSeries from IBM for VMS AXP?= > I would be glad to hear about expriences with this product.  > 	 > regardsh > 
 > Jakob Erbery >  >   [ We have been using MQSeries version 2.2.1.1 for almost two years. It has proved to be very  ` stable and reliable. We use it to exchange data with Solaris, AS400, and MVS (I think) systems.   Z Since the MQSeries development & support people know precious little about VMS, let alone Y VMS Clusters; we've had to re-write some of the startup/shutdown DCL. Once big annoyance hd for me is that there are some MQSeries utilities that can only be run interactively - i.e. I've not : been able to embed these utility commands within DCL code.  [ Our big issue nowadays is that we are trying to upgrade MQSeries 2.2.1.1 to 5.1. Since the  ` MQSeries development group seems to have no clue about clusters, they place a lot of files into O SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] and SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]. This presents a great obstacle to sY loading MQSeries 5.1 onto one cluster member while continuing to run MQSeries 2.2.1.1 on u. another node which share a common system disk.   Jack Fortune Fedex Trade Networks Atlanta, GAs   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:09:08 -0700/ From: david_awerbuch@yahoo.com (David Awerbuch)- Subject: Re: MQSeriesf= Message-ID: <37486a59.0207160609.1dea75d9@posting.google.com>s   Jakob,  B I am an MQSeries architect / developer.  I have worked extensivelyB with MQ on the VAX, and have installed the product for test on the same client's Alpha system.h  F I have had a good experience with the Alpha version (release 5.1).  AsD with all MQSeries platform offerings, it is difficult to break, doesC not lose messages, and gets the data across channels painlessly andWA easily.  Now, aside from the marketing hype, the installation was C painless; throughput beats the crap out of the VAX version (release 2 2.2.1).  What specificalyl would you like to know?   Regards, David Awerbuch APC Consulting Servcies, Inc.-( Automated Solutions To Business Problems West Hempstead, NY david_awerbuch@yahoo.com (516) 481-6440    ` "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam> wrote in message news:<3d3327a6$1@news.swissonline.ch>... > Hello, > J > is there somebody out there, who is using MQSeries from IBM for VMS AXP?= > I would be glad to hear about expriences with this product.b > 	 > regardso > 
 > Jakob Erber?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:14:28 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: MQSeries G Message-ID: <UvYY8.18860$WsS.2567@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>-  L I've used MQ v1.x thru 5  on Solaris and AIX, in both cases talking to MQ onK OS/390 without problems. We also had the Solaris and AIX boxes 'talking' MQ)H to one another without any problems. Wait a moment...I seem to recollectL some issue when we had a v2.x trying to talk with a v5.x installation, but IF can't recall the details. But generally, no problems when talking same version to same version.  I For VMS, just make sure that you have a sufficient disk quota set for thetH account that owns the MQ processes. MQ is 'store/forward' so if the linkI goes down, MQ continues to queue transactions awaiting restoration of the J link. Without sufficient disk quota, you can get in trouble. Not so much a: problem under unix the way most are configured (no quota).    7 "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam> wrote in messages& news:3d344f39$1@news.swissonline.ch... > Hello, >mJ > thanks a lot for all these replies. I was suprised about how many people had  > something to say.  > J > We are going to try using MQSeries in order to connect our large VMS AXPK > installation to the new EAI Infrastructure, based on Seebeyonds 'e*gate',tK > which is not avail on VMS, but a a connector (eway) for MQ. We would haverF > prefered BEA MessageQ (former DEC Message Q), but BEA itself did notJ > recommend that we buy this product. Seems they do not want to support it inE > the future. The MQ product seems to fit quite clumsily into the VMSaH > environment at the first clance and is very expensive too. IBM presses hard, B > cause we do not indent to buy the rest of their Websphere suite. >s/ > More questions concerning the MQ product are:  >eB > 1) Have there been problems in interoperability with MQ on other
 plattforms > (Windoze, Tru64, Sun) L > 2) Is it a good way, trying to manage the MQ Installation on VMS through a! > PC (remote management feature)?gK > 3) Does somebody has special hints, how to diagnoze problems on VMS best?n >h > best regards >3 > JakobA >4 >m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:51:12 +0200s, From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam> Subject: Re: MQSeriesc, Message-ID: <3d344f39$1@news.swissonline.ch>   Hello,  L thanks a lot for all these replies. I was suprised about how many people had something to say.i  H We are going to try using MQSeries in order to connect our large VMS AXPI installation to the new EAI Infrastructure, based on Seebeyonds 'e*gate', I which is not avail on VMS, but a a connector (eway) for MQ. We would haverD prefered BEA MessageQ (former DEC Message Q), but BEA itself did notK recommend that we buy this product. Seems they do not want to support it in'C the future. The MQ product seems to fit quite clumsily into the VMScL environment at the first clance and is very expensive too. IBM presses hard,@ cause we do not indent to buy the rest of their Websphere suite.  - More questions concerning the MQ product are:o  K 1) Have there been problems in interoperability with MQ on other plattforms  (Windoze, Tru64, Sun)nJ 2) Is it a good way, trying to manage the MQ Installation on VMS through a PC (remote management feature)? I 3) Does somebody has special hints, how to diagnoze problems on VMS best?o   best regards   Jakobb   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:44:58 GMTc# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>iA Subject: Re: Old CompuServe VAXforum libraries archived anywhere?tH Message-ID: <_GTY8.18340$WsS.12134@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 "Chris Olive" <colive@technologEase.com> wrote in message 7 news:b10654c6.0207151402.680d5230@posting.google.com...kH > Does anyone know if the library files from the old CompuServe VAXFORUME > are archived anywhere on the internet?  I'm looking for a program In1 > know I submitted publically once called DMPSYM.e  K I archived off a bunch of stuff that I had from the VAXFORUM about 3 months H ago.  Give me a couple days to find the tape and I'll see if I have what you're looking for.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:00 GMTs# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>pA Subject: Re: Old CompuServe VAXforum libraries archived anywhere?nH Message-ID: <g5UY8.18414$WsS.13167@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>   Anybody think of Bill Mayhew?e  ? If he's still reachable, maybe he has some archives of his own.-    9 "Chris Olive" <colive@technologEase.com> wrote in messagep7 news:b10654c6.0207151402.680d5230@posting.google.com...eH > Does anyone know if the library files from the old CompuServe VAXFORUME > are archived anywhere on the internet?  I'm looking for a program IVH > know I submitted publically once called DMPSYM.  I thought I submittedG > it to the WKU FILESERV or DECUS, but it's not in either place, so I'meB > thinking maybe I submitted it to the VAXFORUM back when that wasC > active.  So if anyone knows of a VAXFORUM archive on the InternetrF > somewhere, that would be great (though I realize the chances of thisA > are small since the overall usefulness of it would be minimal).u >  > Chris  > -----i
 > Chris OliveN! > colive(at)technologEase(dot)comt   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jul 2002 23:39:16 -0700, From: michaelpettengill@earthlink.net (MULP)4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)= Message-ID: <61c1c25a.0207152239.4e40f4c4@posting.google.com>   r "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@ACM5.org> wrote in message news:<%H8V8.734$A43.54940@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > Terry C. Shannon wrote:e > N > > I don't have internal numbers (but if HPQ would like to provide them, theyL > > can feel free to do so) but I suspect that the VMS installed base peaked7 > > at 500K systems or so. HPQ now claims 400K systems.e > J > As someone who has earned a living off of four Dave Cutler OSes it sure N > seems like the number of VMS jobs has dropped off at a much larger fraction H > than 20%, more like 80%. Where are all of those systems (jobs) hiding?8 > I would rather work in VMSland than with WNT or Linux.  F The reason is very simple - no one is developing new software for VMS.  & No one, not even HPQ.  Especially HPQ.  ? Software is being discontinued for VMS.  Across the board.  Buta especially by HPQ.  @ Without new software, there is no need for VMS people to develop	 software.iD Without new software, there is no expanded market for VMS meaning no7 need for VMS people to design, setup, and support them.   F HPQ isn't turning off the water, but its not turning on the food.  VMSF is surviving off of whatever bugs happen by and filling its belly withD water, but in all honesty, VMS is starving to death.  VMS did have a> decade of good eating, so there is a lot of muscle that can beF consumed to keep VMS alive for quite a while, but in comparison to the> competition, VMS is wasting away and growing weaker every day.  E Its just a matter of time until the dogs and vultures start seriouslyi taking bites out of VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:17:27 -0400o1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>o4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)2 Message-ID: <3D342AF7.4C8A4D8F@firstdbasource.com>   MULP wrote:s > t > "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@ACM5.org> wrote in message news:<%H8V8.734$A43.54940@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > > Terry C. Shannon wrote:  > >iP > > > I don't have internal numbers (but if HPQ would like to provide them, theyN > > > can feel free to do so) but I suspect that the VMS installed base peaked9 > > > at 500K systems or so. HPQ now claims 400K systems.a > > K > > As someone who has earned a living off of four Dave Cutler OSes it surehO > > seems like the number of VMS jobs has dropped off at a much larger fractionoJ > > than 20%, more like 80%. Where are all of those systems (jobs) hiding?: > > I would rather work in VMSland than with WNT or Linux. > H > The reason is very simple - no one is developing new software for VMS. > ( > No one, not even HPQ.  Especially HPQ. > A > Software is being discontinued for VMS.  Across the board.  But  > especially by HPQ. >  <snip>  @ I know of a few products still being developed for VMS.  A majorH healthcare software company is continuing their relationship with HPQ onB VMS and Alpha. Their data centers are actually expanding.  Rdb andC Oracle are still being developed and enhance and PORTED to Itanium.hE These are two MAJOR examples. A blanket statement such as you made isu overstating the facts. -- s Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com-E                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlH/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:33:48 +01008( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>J Subject: Re: OpenVMS on third-party platforms (was: Re: VMS port delayed!)) Message-ID: <3D33DA6C.C5B1140E@127.0.0.1>    MULP wrote:O > f > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<agcmo7$qav$1@web1.cup.hp.com>... > >vI > >   OpenVMS Engineering has historically implemented nothing that wouldZJ > >   explicitly prevent OpenVMS from bootstrapping on third-party VAX andK > >   third-party Alpha platforms, and OpenVMS Engineering has specifically G > >   provided mechanisms to add platform support for new and otherwise K > >   unrecognized Alpha platforms via the (documented) SHIP kit mechanism.d > E > Well, for VAX and Alpha, DEC had patents and licenses that providedaD > DEC with revenue from the hardware sales.  The levels for the feesF > were set to support DEC's interests in those platforms being offeredC > by 3rd parties.  While the ruggedized systems might have paid lowfD > royalties, the terms of the licenses didn't allow real competition > with DEC's system business.W  C I remember looking around Systime's complex (glass palace) in LeedswA (England, UK) were I saw some quite interesting VAX based systemseB capable of interesting things, destined for interesting locations,E primarily being dropped out the back of moving non-civilian aircraft.a  5 |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| squashed |S|Y|S|T|I|M|E| as I recall.n   -- o? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:18:13 +0100 2 From: "Roger Fraser" <roger.fraser@baesystems.com>J Subject: Re: OpenVMS on third-party platforms (was: Re: VMS port delayed!)& Message-ID: <3d33e486$1@pull.gecm.com>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messages# news:3D33DA6C.C5B1140E@127.0.0.1...u  E > I remember looking around Systime's complex (glass palace) in LeedseC > (England, UK) were I saw some quite interesting VAX based systems D > capable of interesting things, destined for interesting locations,G > primarily being dropped out the back of moving non-civilian aircraft.  >u7 > |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| squashed |S|Y|S|T|I|M|E| as I recall.    Nic,C We used to have a couple of Systimes many moons ago - if I rememberv( correctly the last VMS version was V4.7!     Rogo   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 02 16:03:30 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)-J Subject: Re: OpenVMS on third-party platforms (was: Re: VMS port delayed!)) Message-ID: <2ppKEO6NP2Gv@elias.decus.ch>g  T In article <3D33DA6C.C5B1140E@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:
 > MULP wrote:r >> ng >> hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<agcmo7$qav$1@web1.cup.hp.com>...n >> >J >> >   OpenVMS Engineering has historically implemented nothing that wouldK >> >   explicitly prevent OpenVMS from bootstrapping on third-party VAX andaL >> >   third-party Alpha platforms, and OpenVMS Engineering has specificallyH >> >   provided mechanisms to add platform support for new and otherwiseL >> >   unrecognized Alpha platforms via the (documented) SHIP kit mechanism. >> ,F >> Well, for VAX and Alpha, DEC had patents and licenses that providedE >> DEC with revenue from the hardware sales.  The levels for the feeseG >> were set to support DEC's interests in those platforms being offered D >> by 3rd parties.  While the ruggedized systems might have paid lowE >> royalties, the terms of the licenses didn't allow real competition. >> with DEC's system business. > E > I remember looking around Systime's complex (glass palace) in Leeds C > (England, UK) were I saw some quite interesting VAX based systemshD > capable of interesting things, destined for interesting locations,G > primarily being dropped out the back of moving non-civilian aircraft.. > 7 > |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| squashed |S|Y|S|T|I|M|E| as I recall.P > K Systime were among a number of pioneering companies who introduced PDPs andcH later VAXes into the commercial market. Much of  their success came fromK offering complete business packages, applications included. It appeared (toVL me at least) that they lost that focus in favour of shifting "tin", and that is where they lost their edge.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:14:02 +0100h( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>. Subject: RF36 in UK, cheap or free (hobby use)) Message-ID: <3D33F1EA.AD94F6B0@127.0.0.1>    Any of these beasts around?a  E I'm after a pair in the half height mount 5.25 brackets. (I also know B someone that wants an empty bracket, so all parts will have usefulG homes). Front panel, and more importantly cabling would also be useful.w To fit in a BA4xx.   Thanks in Anticipation,+ --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencess nclews at csc dot comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:49:50 GMT ? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)  Subject: Re: RMS Buffers. Message-ID: <3d33c080.867367@news.demon.co.uk>  F If you are just adding buffers, then the amount of memory your processE will consume will increase.  If those files are opened for read/writehD sharing, there will be an equivalent increase in the number of locks) consumed by the process (one per buffer).-  C If you add global buffers you will create a global section for each E file large enough to hold the number of buffers you specified.  TherelD is also the potential for the total number of locks in the system toF rise somewhat -- I believe it is limited to an additional 1 per buffer! plus 1, but I may be off on that.Q  / The amount of memory consumed in both cases is:t  A (biggest buffer size + descriptor block size) * number of buffersY  E A BDB (buffer descriptor block) is relatively small -- 10's of bytes.5  > The only other resource is to mention is that CPU loading willD increase slightly as BDBs are searched for the correct buffer.  ThisB is normally quite small, and well worth it for the I/Os it avoids.   Jim.  C On 15 Jul 2002 15:32:26 -0700, beantown31@hotmail.com (Evan) wrote:w  > >In considering adding buffers to some of my files to increaseD >performance, I'm wondering what resources that memory will deplete,D >gblpages and glbpagfile? And what other sysgen parameters should be, >considered when making this type of change. >n >EWl   Jim Johnson  Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:10:27 GMT - From: "labadie" <labadie_g.tocardsa@decus.fr>s Subject: Re: RMS Buffers1 Message-ID: <7qRY8.4$Lg2.180288@news.cpqcorp.net>o  0 "Evan" <beantown31@hotmail.com> wrote in message7 news:47ab7ff7.0207151432.6902a583@posting.google.com...d? > In considering adding buffers to some of my files to increaserE > performance, I'm wondering what resources that memory will deplete, E > gblpages and glbpagfile? And what other sysgen parameters should be@- > considered when making this type of change.6 >n > EW   Hello.  , You have some great articles on that subject  L http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/009147B7-A24A2300-1C	 01E7.htmls  9 [OpenVMS] SYSGEN Parameters Related To RMS Global Buffers-   and-  L http://www.compaq.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/00938636-7AE5C160-1C	 009F.htmls  E   [OpenVMS] Command Procedure To Estimate SYSGEN Units for RMS Globalb Bufferse     ando  2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_6908.html  0 Global Buffers and RMS Indexed File Bucket Size?   RegardsW   Grard   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:19:37 +0100 (BST)iF From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: System Parameters@ Message-ID: <20020716091937.36399.qmail@web21007.mail.yahoo.com>  
 Hello All,3 So I am able to set the foll. system parameters viar AUTOGEN:       GBLSECTIONSd       GBLPAGIL       PROCSECTCNTt       VIRTUALPAGECNT IS this correct?  # WHere do I set the foll. variables:t	 CLISYMTBLe
 PQL_DENQLM  $ Where do I check the foll variables: FILLM 	 PGFLQUOTAd   Thanks & regards Keshav  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Everything you'll ever need on one web pagee- from News and Sport to Email and Music Chartss http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:32:52 +0200n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: System Parameters' Message-ID: <3D33E844.11C9B978@aaa.com>t  < OK now, some things are system-wide, some are process-local.  9 "System parameters" are, as the name implies, system widee/ and are set via SYSGEN, AUTOGEN, MODPARAMS.DAT. ? CLISYMTBL and PQL_* are also system parameters and set/modifyedp
 the same way.h  = FILLM and PGFLQUOTA are "process quotas" and ser set/modifyede via AUTHORIZE.   Do:y   $ MC SYSGEN  $ SYSGEN> HELP sys_parametersc   ands   $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM $ RUN AUTHORIZE < $ UAF> SHOW [some_user]   to check your users process-quotas3 $ UAF> HELP MODIFY        to see how to change thema     Jan-Erik Sderholm     Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >  > Hello All,5 > So I am able to set the foll. system parameters viat
 > AUTOGEN: >       GBLSECTIONS  >       GBLPAGIL >       PROCSECTCNT( >       VIRTUALPAGECNT > IS this correct? > % > WHere do I set the foll. variables:b > CLISYMTBLe > PQL_DENQLM > & > Where do I check the foll variables: > FILLM- > PGFLQUOTA  >  > Thanks & regards > Keshav > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?- > Everything you'll ever need on one web page / > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts  > http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:50:59 +0100r( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: System Parameters( Message-ID: <3D33EC83.6F0972D@127.0.0.1>   Tadimeti Keshav wrote: a > Hello All,5 > So I am able to set the foll. system parameters viae
 > AUTOGEN: >       GBLSECTIONSd >       GBLPAGIL >       PROCSECTCNTu >       VIRTUALPAGECNT > IS this correct?   Sort of, see below.o  % > WHere do I set the foll. variables:  > CLISYMTBLm > PQL_DENQLM > & > Where do I check the foll variables: > FILLM, > PGFLQUOTA   @ All your entries should go into SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT, and do- consider using MIN_ (or MAX_ if appropriate).h  # (I have usually avoided using ADD_)i   Consider adding:
 PAGEFILE=0
 SWAPFILE=0
 DUMPFILE=0  D And review these settings manually to avoid fragmentation headaches.  ; You are correct to use AUTOGEN, and consider this sequence:h  9 $ @SYS$UPDDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS TESTFILES CHECK_FEEDBACK ) $ TYPE/PAGE SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT    (make adjustments as required)  - $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMS [...]c  : and use [NO]FEEDBACK as appropriate. Schedule your reboot.   See @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN HELP.4   -- .? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesE nclews at csc dot comg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:12:18 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: System Parameters' Message-ID: <3D33F182.6E626792@aaa.com>    Nic, are you sure ?a Jan-Erik Sderholm   Nic Clews wrote: > ( > > Where do I check the foll variables:	 > > FILLMm
 > > PGFLQUOTAi > B > All your entries should go into SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT, and do/ > consider using MIN_ (or MAX_ if appropriate).  >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:48:32 +0100u( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: System Parameters) Message-ID: <3D33FA00.1288A593@127.0.0.1>n   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:d >  > Nic, are you sure ?  > Jan-Erik Sderholm >  > Nic Clews wrote: > > * > > > Where do I check the foll variables: > > > FILLM> > > > PGFLQUOTAp > >sD > > All your entries should go into SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT, and do1 > > consider using MIN_ (or MAX_ if appropriate).F    ; Sorry, yes you are right. I'm seeing PQL's before my eyes !   H I use PQL settings in mixed clusters with different requirements for VAXG and Alphas using the same UAF file. I've juggled that so much I replied, with my eyes shut :-)y   -- b? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesy nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:07:00 +0200e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)< Subject: Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay; Message-ID: <3d33fe54.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>-  . Jonathan Boswell (jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov) wrote:  H > Is there any way to get TCPIP Services for VMS V5.3 to use either SMTPH > AUTH or POP-before-SMTP authentication mechanisms for SMTP relay?  TheG > existing anti-spam capabilities appear to prevent legitimate users insE > the wild from sending mail using my VMS servers as their SMTP relayeF > node.  The POP-before-SMTP scheme looks ideal to me since none of my? > (formerly existing on a Unix server) users would even have tou > reconfigure their clients.  G MX supports authenticated SMTP since version 5.2. IMHO, POP-before-SMTP 7 features the typical *ix hack method to solve problems.    cu,O   Martin --  F                           | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer3  Cetero censeo            | work: mv@pdv-systeme.desF  Redmondem delendam esse. |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:                           | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:28:16 -0400a- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>o< Subject: Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay0 Message-ID: <3D343B90.36C3308E@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Bob Ceculski wrote:hF > that's not a problem with TCPware ... I can allow any user or domain" > to relay based on ip address ...  O Bob!  I expected you to sing the merits of TCPware.  But you're admitting aboveoN that it cannot do SMTP AUTH nor POP-before-SMTP?  This makes it no better thanH TCPIP Services.  Note that TCPIP Services can already filter based on IP address.    - JBu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:48:03 -0400a- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>a< Subject: Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay0 Message-ID: <3D344033.6BF09EB2@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > IMHO, POP-before-SMTP 9 > features the typical *ix hack method to solve problems.n  J It has the unique elegance of adding anti-spam security while requiring noM reconfiguration of email clients.  SMTP AUTH requires this reconfiguration at N minimum, or even worse, a forced "upgrade" for users of email clients which doP not support this feature.  This is a big deal.  Some folks have kept using theirK favorite email client for over 10 years, retaining hundreds of contacts and L thousands of messages in some format which cannot easily be transferred to aM more modern email client program.  Even hackish solutions on a few servers iswJ IMHO superior to forcing a migration onto unwilling customers!  They could migrate right off VMS instead.    - JBt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:35:38 +0100s( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>A Subject: Re: Terminal Emu to MicroVaxII - typed characters effecty) Message-ID: <3D33BEBA.3DA6EA93@127.0.0.1>    Heinz Oswald wrote:  >   L > > > It worked fine until last Thursday. Now it seems to double keystrokes. > > > The effect is: > > > typing W gives WWs > > > typing L gives Lr > >s > > Did you mean LL ?f > No, indeed its WW L.aE > When I type letter O it follows an i with two dots.( like in frenchn > language).  H This is different. This is data corruption. I assume that you are only a; few metres from the system, and the console cable is short.   E Can you give a few more examples of what characters are replaced with.0 what? That will give a bit pattern to play with.  F Something else occurs to me, the earth return on the cable is OK, yes, no?6   > > J > > This is a setting on the PC, it is giving you LOCAL ECHO or is set forK > > HALF DUPLEX. It is difficult to know where it will be in your emulation0 > > package. > >t6 > I already checked settings for local echo. it's OFF.! > will check HALF DUPLEX tomorroww > K > > As to why it has changed, well things don't happen by themselves, but Ie  > > would not want to speculate. > >DE > I assume, the man at the proccessing center accidently hit a key orn > combination.E > He had to press Fn-O for the NUM-minus key  to go back from a menu.  > It's a notebook keyboard.t  E I understand now, OK so the VMS system is always throwing back stuff.SG If you enter ABCDEF, I would expect the VMS system to say "unrecognizedo; command verb 'ABCDEF', or if the PC is sending double, thendF AABBCCDDEEFF. At least we should be able to isolate if the issue is on the send or receive side.t  (   > E-TERM32  from www.dcsi.com    I am not familiar with it.   -- d? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comv   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 07:30:14 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)eA Subject: Re: Terminal Emu to MicroVaxII - typed characters effect 3 Message-ID: <umO41nxKUiCi@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  f In article <agv459$6o2$01$1@news.t-online.com>, "Heinz Oswald" <Heinz.Oswald@gero-computer.de> writes:   >> Did you mean LL ? > No, indeed its WW L.tE > When I type letter O it follows an i with two dots.( like in french, > language).  A    Sounds like the serial line settings don't match.  Try parity,i4    number of bits (7 or 8), and number of stop bits.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:20:10 +0200a2 From: "Frits A.M. Storms" <frits@storms.tmfweb.nl>  Subject: Terminal input from DCL? Message-ID: <3d33e808$0$12298$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>:   L.S.K As DCL does not provide a precise input routine (I am missing featues like:eJ Predefined maximum number of characters in length, editable default stringK to start with, handling of function keys, character string with the precisemF characters that are allowed) as can be seen from 3GL-applications I am, looking for the easiest way to realise this.L Is there a nifty freeware application I missed, or can I build (using GNU C)L a simple routine by calling TPU or another system service that is suitable ? yours sincerely, Frits Storms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:31:42 -0400r! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu>r$ Subject: Re: Terminal input from DCL' Message-ID: <3D34203E.27723120@vcu.edu>6  C hhmm.. see if Perl is on your system...  not only can you do almostOB everything you want, it's even portable if the need ever arises...   "Frits A.M. Storms" wrote: >  > L.S.M > As DCL does not provide a precise input routine (I am missing featues like:eL > Predefined maximum number of characters in length, editable default stringM > to start with, handling of function keys, character string with the precisenH > characters that are allowed) as can be seen from 3GL-applications I am. > looking for the easiest way to realise this.N > Is there a nifty freeware application I missed, or can I build (using GNU C)N > a simple routine by calling TPU or another system service that is suitable ? > yours sincerely, > Frits Storms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:18:47 -0400p6 From: "John.Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>$ Subject: Re: Terminal input from DCL4 Message-ID: <3D345577.9040106@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>   Frits A.M. Storms wrote: > L.S.M > As DCL does not provide a precise input routine (I am missing featues like: L > Predefined maximum number of characters in length, editable default stringM > to start with, handling of function keys, character string with the preciseaH > characters that are allowed) as can be seen from 3GL-applications I am. > looking for the easiest way to realise this.N > Is there a nifty freeware application I missed, or can I build (using GNU C)N > a simple routine by calling TPU or another system service that is suitable ? > yours sincerely,  H You may want to look at the OpenVMS RTL Screen Management (SMG$) manual.   -JohnA! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hph Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 02:04 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)l# Subject: Re: trivial UNZIP question"- Message-ID: <16JUL200202045689@gerg.tamu.edu>   J =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> writes...2 }SO I am trying to unzip the downloaded RDB file.  }  }I downloaded the unzip file:n- }          1.unzip.alpha_exe from process.com35 }          2.unzip-alpha_v5.exe from openVMS freewared }site' } $ }Q: all I have to do is run the EXE? } ( }I downloaded to Windows and FTP to VMS. } ' }Now, as per the C_freeware_readme.txt:f/ }----------------------------------------------l2 }Use the appropriate UNZIP executable to unzip the }source archives.n } 2 }    $ unzip :== $dka400:[info-zip]unzip.alpha_exe& }    $ unzip dka400:[info-zip]unzip542/ }----------------------------------------------,2 }SInce in VMS we do a run/nodebug for image files,	 }I did a i }unzip :== run/nodebug -) }dka100:[user.info-zip]unzip-alpha_v5.exe3 }  }  }I do $unzip RDB706_ALPHA.ZIP; }  }THe error I get is: } 6 }%DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command }with fewer parameters } \RDB706_ALPHA\ }  } 4 }CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT'S GOING WRONG NOW?? }  }Thanks & regardss }Keshavh  @ What is going wrong is that you did not do what the instructions told you to do.c  , If you follow the instructions it will work.  C (Hint: note that there is no "RUN" command in the symbol definitiono given in the instructions.)s   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:30:59 +0200 2 From: "Frits A.M. Storms" <frits@storms.tmfweb.nl>8 Subject: Re: Using GNU C on OpenVMS FAQ (Looking for it)? Message-ID: <3d33fa2f$0$12297$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>r  : "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> schreef in bericht" news:3D2D0288.90007@qsl.network... > Frits A.M. Storms wrote:> > > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> schreef in bericht >l > >>L > >>I am not sure how your link statement succeeded.  I suspect that you are@ > >>using a LNK$LIBRARY* logical name to bring in the VAX C RTL. > >  > > Well. Not really.o, > > $ LINK/NOTRACE hello,gnu_cc_library:crt1K > > works as well, so the options-file with sys$share:decc$shr/share had no  > > function in this.e7 > > (A good deal of ignorance on my part, I am afraid.)gA > > And forgot to mention : I am working on OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2.. >pI > First do a show log LNK$*.  Someone may have done you a "favor" so that,@ > you are in effect linking against the VAXCRTL.OLB selectively.   Been there.c
 It showed:. "LNK$LIBRARY" [super] = "SMARTSTAR:SS_LIB.OLB" Deassigned it. Made no difference.a       >rG > I have not worked with GCC on ALPHA, so I do not know if it generates  > prefixes or not. > I > When the OpenVMS Hobbyist program offered the DEC/COMPAQ C compilers as " > part of it, I stopped using GCC. > 6 > I did use GCC quite a bit before then on VAX though. >hL > >>The SYS$SHARE:DECC$SHR.EXE image has prefixes on all of the modules, andL > >>the output from GCC, (unless there has been a major change) does not put% > >>prefixes on the external symbols.4 > >>K > >>Because the VAXCRTL is old, it is much better to be using the DEC C RTL  > >>instead. > >>E > >>There is a special DECC shared image that does not have prefixes.F >mI > That image is VAXC2DECC.EXE, and it only seems to be present on OpenVMSb VAX.   Correct.  E > I thought that the GZIP example that I provided a URL to was linkeds9 > against the VAXC2DECC.EXE image, but now I am not sure.  >-* > All my files from that era are archived. >  > -John9 > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only= >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:54:40 +0100D( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: VMS commitmento) Message-ID: <3D33C330.67F78C99@127.0.0.1>r   "Lucas, Edward A (SAIC)" wrote:d >    I regularly look in here:N   http://srom.zgp.org/  G Now, I failed math[s], which is one of the reasons I'm doing computers,_D but even by my rough reckoning, despite there are more people sayingE that linux rules or rocks, there are also proportionately more people_? who think it sucks, than say the corresponding numbers for VMS.g   -- m? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesm nclews at csc dot com-   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 05:56:14 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: VMS commitmente= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207160456.3b9bf843@posting.google.com>i  q michaelpettengill@earthlink.net (MULP) wrote in message news:<61c1c25a.0207152019.7f617230@posting.google.com>...e > F > But, you say, with my one license for, let's say, SCAN, I can create> > software which I will run on 100 VMS systems that we installF > throughout my company or industry.  Sorry, unless you are willing toF > pay $100K per license, its is too expensive to dedicate one engineerD > for 3 months per year to port and support it - you should be using; > unix or windows because there is more software available.n >   B and forget security, reliability, scalibility ... no thanks ... if' I can't find it, then I'll write it ...t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:43:24 GMT 0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) Subject: Re: VMS commitmentI9 Message-ID: <3d343f04.3252432670@proxy.news.easynews.com>   A On 15 Jul 2002 15:33:10 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  wrote:  C >a vms elimination project is always wrong!  There is not one other_E >platform right now that can offer the security and stability of VMS! E >If you believe otherwise, just name another platform and I'll hammercD >you with cert advisories and email's from other posters on comp.???E >that will make you look like an idiot for even stating the above ... H >and the CEO's at this place stating they don't need disaster tolerance? >they are just as stupid ...  C Sorry, but that's pure bullshit.  I agree with you completely aboutSA the security and stability aspects of the VMS platform, but thereG= are other considerations that a company may wish to take intoI account.  E As with any business decision, choice of an operating system on whichfF to run the business is a matter of trade-offs.  Security and stabilityE are two factors to take into consideration that weigh in VMS's favor,r, but they aren't necessarily the whole story.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.E   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:53:10 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>T1 Subject: Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?E8 Message-ID: <adn7ju41v11vseha43fqqoodsfqfkbmb6e@4ax.com>  F On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:06:47 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   >EK >Then again, some might suggest that she and Curly belong in the facilitieso' >in which such plates are manufactured.P  B When in the US recently, I asked where I could get some fake TexasB plates made up to give to someone back in the UK. Cue laughter all round.  F Hey how was I to know you make them in jails. Here any garage can make them up on the spot.   >R >- bill  >a >e >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:46:11 GMT / From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70-nospam@attbi.com>f1 Subject: Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?l. Message-ID: <nAUY8.219034$Uu2.47277@sccrnsc03>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:adn7ju41v11vseha43fqqoodsfqfkbmb6e@4ax.com...D > When in the US recently, I asked where I could get some fake TexasD > plates made up to give to someone back in the UK. Cue laughter all > round. >1H > Hey how was I to know you make them in jails. Here any garage can make > them up on the spot.  F That'e only true in some states. I don't know about Texas, but here inI Illinois, using prisoners for that purpose is illegal. License plates areAG made by a private contractor to the state. They must be supplied by the < state, however. I'm sure it's viewed as a revenue generator.  	 Mark Levye   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:03:23 +0100i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 1 Subject: Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS? 8 Message-ID: <2668jukji8bdr1dl9pg2v413mpc927q15p@4ax.com>  0 On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:46:11 GMT, "Mark E. Levy"! <mlevy70-nospam@attbi.com> wrote:0   >:G >That'e only true in some states. I don't know about Texas, but here in:J >Illinois, using prisoners for that purpose is illegal. License plates areH >made by a private contractor to the state. They must be supplied by the= >state, however. I'm sure it's viewed as a revenue generator.V  E Here only the letters and number combo must be government registered.aC Anyone can make the physical plates.. In theory they have to have at5 standard font but this isn't strictly enforced - yet.   
 >Mark Levy >  >v   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:39:59 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?rH Message-ID: <j7XY8.18800$WsS.13897@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L Saw the movie again last night. What a classic! Never fails to please...just	 like VMS.t    7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageM' news:0033000072593824000002L042*@MHS...   7 I quoted Casablanca (Louis' quip about gambling) in the 7 VMS Marketing Volunteers thread, and it appears that my 1 brain dredged up the phrase "usual suspects" as a-
 follow-up.  > "I'm shocked - shocked to find marketing is going on in here!" :^)n   WWWebb  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messagea' news:0033000072550252000002L022*@MHS...3  2      Any bets on how long it'll take before we see3      posts from the usual suspects complaining thato*      she didn't display an OpenVMS tattoo?  K Just pulling your chain a bit.....if she had one, it would probably be done / with henna - washes out in a couple weeks.  :-)   K And as far as 'suspects' go, my copy of the Oxford dictionary serves up twoP interesting definitions:  E "suspe-ct - v.t. - 1. Have an impression of the existence or presencea of...danger....."2C "su-spect - a. - 1. Of suspected character, subject to suspicion orj
 distrust"=   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:25:51 GMTE8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond), Subject: Re: write insert in sequential file1 Message-ID: <z9VY8.7$if2.146574@news.cpqcorp.net>   * In article <agv0hr$3r11@rain.i-cable.com>,- "Kenneth" <yeung_kenneth@hotmail.com> writes:S  M >I have two sequential files (A,B) contains the usernames and I want to checkrL >if the user in B is also exist in A, if not I will insert it to the file A.J >However I cannot do it with WRITE /UPDATE  as it will replace the currentF >open record. How can I do the insert? Do I need a temp file to do it?  G The classic solution to this problem is to merge file A and B, creatingeE a new file, C, that contains the desired entries.  You may be able to $ do this with the SORT/MERGE utility.    F If you do not require the names to be in order, here is an alternative> solution.  (This assumes disk fils -- don't try this on tape!)  H Wite a program that opens B twice -- once for input and once for append.D If a name from A is not found by reading B as input, then write to BE as append.  This will put the added names at the end of the file; you . may then need to sort it back into name order.    E It is inherent in the definition and structure of a "sequential" filesJ that you cannot insert records.  There is no place to insert them in orderE and no structure to allow "reordering" things, as in an indexed file. E You can only add (write) new records at the END of a sequential file.e   --K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAx8                        Compaq is now part of the New HP!H        (hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.389 ************************