1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 17 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 390       Contents:- Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...) - Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...) - Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)  Re: 2 CMS questions  Re: 2 CMS questions  Re: 7.2-2 with tcpip eco4. Re: 7.2-2 with tcpip eco4. BEA Weblogic Server (WLS) / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer / Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer $ Re: Creating a "UNIX disk" under VMS
 CXX questions  Re: DEC 3000 Hobbyist  Re: Delete of .bck file  Re: Delete of .bck file  Re: DS10 shutting down ES40, DE600, clustering  ftp W2K->VMS How to kill users ' Intel's Fight for High-End Market - WSJ 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL? 3 Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?  Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: MQSeries Re: MQSeries Re: MQSeries/ need help: ODBC driver for rdb on OpenVMS Alpha 	 Nostalgia 
 Re: Nostalgia 8 Re: Old CompuServe VAXforum libraries archived anywhere? SOAP and XML On OpenVMS  RE: SOAP and XML On OpenVMS P StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Applianc3 Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay 3 Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay 3 Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay 3 Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay  Re: Terminal input from DCL $ test drive the next generation Alpha( RE: test drive the next generation Alpha/ Re: Using GNU C on OpenVMS FAQ (Looking for it)  Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment( Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?( Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS? [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 21:44:33 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)6 Subject: Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)- Message-ID: <ah2441$on4@web.eng.baileynm.com>   0 In article <agv17d$17m$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,) Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote: E > Sigh.  You are STILL thinking in terms of a very restrictive model. H > There have been a fair number of machines where pages are of arbitraryA > length, with a resolution of a byte, and experience is that the < > facility helps a great deal with reliability and security.  G It doesn't do any such thing. All it does is save on the average of 1/2 L word per segment that would be wasted on word-aligned pages, or 1/2 page per1 segment on pages with more restrictive alignment.   G In 1972 this might have been a concern. In 2002 it's lost in the noise.    --  O I've seen things you people can't imagine. Chimneysweeps on fire over the roofs O of London. I've watched kite-strings glitter in the sun at Hyde Park Gate.  All L these things will be lost in time, like chalk-paintings in the rain.   `-_-'K Time for your nap.  | Peter da Silva | Har du kramat din varg, idag?    'U`    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 21:53:20 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)6 Subject: Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)- Message-ID: <ah24kg$ph1@web.eng.baileynm.com>   2 In article <1026594111.16472@haldjas.folklore.ee>,1 Sander Vesik  <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee> wrote: R > Well, on the positive side, lots of peopel didn't have to rewrite their softwareQ > because somebody had assumed string length could safely be 8 bits or 16 bits or  > possibly even 32 bits 8-)    Good point.   G Forth attempted to insulate the programmer from this by having words to G extract base and length from string { count ( addr --- addr len ) } but K that didn't help in creating strings, so on the PDP-11 where 16-bit lengths E might have been more natural you still had 8-bit lengths, and on true 9 16-bit hardware strings became a royal pain to deal with.    --  O I've seen things you people can't imagine. Chimneysweeps on fire over the roofs O of London. I've watched kite-strings glitter in the sun at Hyde Park Gate.  All L these things will be lost in time, like chalk-paintings in the rain.   `-_-'K Time for your nap.  | Peter da Silva | Har du kramat din varg, idag?    'U`    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 23:41:02 GMT( From: "Tzvetan Mikov" <ceco@jupiter.com>6 Subject: Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)0 Message-ID: <ah2aue$bs0@dispatch.concentric.net>  5 "Bernd Paysan" <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote in message & news:5g2tga.sb2.ln@cohen.paysan.nom... > [...] : > Unfortunately, as engineer, you typically start with the project, when all < > the more stupid* people already have defined a lot of crap to be < > implemented, and won't let go that stuff, because of their ego. > 8 > *) they admit being more stupid, by refusing to do the implementation task 
 > themselves.    LOL! Good one ! :-)    -tzvetan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:08:58 GMT . From: "Het Kritische Oog" <evdnep@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: 2 CMS questions/ Message-ID: <eb_Y8.821486$yP6.25830845@Flipper>   G I evaluated CVS as alternative for CMS; the reason was that we need one 7 system for VMS and UNIX sources. CVS failed completely.    The critical Eye.     H "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> schreef in bericht news:3d344719$1@news.si.com...D > >Frankly, the worst source code control system is better than CMS. > I > I'm afraid I'll have to disagree.  CVS can hardly hold a candle to CMS.  NoL > multiple libraries, no multiple lines of descent, no ACLs to control whichL > commands are allowed to whom, no classes, no groups, no librarian functionC > (that I know of) for controlling who gets to replace elements, no I > REVIEW/ACCEPT.  It's barely able to store ordinary files.  Your comment 
 > puzzles me.  > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:18:09 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>  Subject: Re: 2 CMS questions2 Message-ID: <874rezcmuk.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  0 "Het Kritische Oog" <evdnep@hotmail.com> writes:  I > I evaluated CVS as alternative for CMS; the reason was that we need one 9 > system for VMS and UNIX sources. CVS failed completely.  >  > The critical Eye.   A Interesting... Can you be more specific? Two questionst that come 8 immediately to mind are: 1) were you trying to store VMSB text files on Unix or vice versa; 2) did you install CVS on VMS or Unix?   ? I'm guessing by "CVS failed completely" you're referring to the ? well-known issue of Unix text line terminator vs. VMS text line  terminator?    --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:43:26 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> # Subject: Re: 7.2-2 with tcpip eco4. 0 Message-ID: <3D34856E.1D013BFC@ceris.purdue.edu>   Matt,   D Is anyone experiencing periodic system slow downs running 7-2.2 withC the new tcpip 5.1 eco 4? Periodically, the system slows down and no B one can telnet in or get access to our web sites. It usually lastsD from 1-3 minutes but occurs several times during the day, especiallyF at peak user time. If you are already in the system when the slow downE occurs, it does not cripple your session but if you try to log out it ) takes a long time for the logout as well.   F Thank you for your help and please email me at caaron@ceris.purdue.edu   Chuck Aaron    Matt Muggeridge wrote: >  > $ tcpip show ver > A >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 4 6 >   on a AlphaServer 2100 4/200 running OpenVMS V7.2-2 >  > --? > -------------------------------------------------------------  > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > Enterprise Computing Group > Hewlett-Packard Company  > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA ? > -------------------------------------------------------------  > : > "Chuck Aaron" <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> wrote in message, > news:3D3311C9.1A4DCBED@ceris.purdue.edu...A > > Is anyone running with a 7.2-2 with the new tcpip eco4 patch?  > > 	 > > Chuck    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:04:51 GMT 0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com># Subject: Re: 7.2-2 with tcpip eco4. A Message-ID: <To3Z8.452861$o66.1220646@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   	 Hi Chuck,   G This needs to be escalated through your CSC.  These sort of strange and J intermittent slow-downs can be extremely tricky to troubleshoot.  AnythingL from temporarily busy system to problems with the network configuration, badA routes, duplicate IP addresses, bad name resolver and name server  interaction, etc. etc.  H I haven't seen this in my configuration, but then again my system is not very heavily used.  J It may help if you can capture a packet trace around the slow down period.B If it is at all reproducible, then tracing the particular incoming! connection would be most helpful.    Matt.    --= -------------------------------------------------------------  OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Company  Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------     8 "Chuck Aaron" <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> wrote in message* news:3D34856E.1D013BFC@ceris.purdue.edu... > Matt,  > F > Is anyone experiencing periodic system slow downs running 7-2.2 withE > the new tcpip 5.1 eco 4? Periodically, the system slows down and no D > one can telnet in or get access to our web sites. It usually lastsF > from 1-3 minutes but occurs several times during the day, especiallyH > at peak user time. If you are already in the system when the slow downG > occurs, it does not cripple your session but if you try to log out it + > takes a long time for the logout as well.  > H > Thank you for your help and please email me at caaron@ceris.purdue.edu > 
 > Chuck Aaron  >  > Matt Muggeridge wrote: > >  > > $ tcpip show ver > > C > >   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 4 8 > >   on a AlphaServer 2100 4/200 running OpenVMS V7.2-2 > >  > > --A > > -------------------------------------------------------------  > > OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering > > Enterprise Computing Group > > Hewlett-Packard Company  > > Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA A > > -------------------------------------------------------------  > > < > > "Chuck Aaron" <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> wrote in message. > > news:3D3311C9.1A4DCBED@ceris.purdue.edu...C > > > Is anyone running with a 7.2-2 with the new tcpip eco4 patch?  > > >  > > > Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:10:47 +0200 , From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam>" Subject: BEA Weblogic Server (WLS)* Message-ID: <3d347005@news.swissonline.ch>   Hello,  K is there somebody using this product on VMS? Again, I would be glad to here  about experiences, made.   regards    Jakob    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:30:29 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on InquirerB Message-ID: <9DZY8.231085$vq.12333137@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  8 "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message/ news:ah1dk1$ppi9o$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de... ? > "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in message 5 > news:3d331e66.3178546928@proxy.news.easynews.com...  > >...I > > doesn't mention VMS in big letters, underlined in red, quotated, with G > > circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one, - > > are going to continue to be disappointed.  > >... > L > Thanks, I read line and now the song (all 25 minutes of it) won't leave my > head!   K Damn!  The version I have only runs 18-some minutes:  do you have an .mp3 I 
 could snatch?    - bill   > 6 > You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant6 > You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant$ > Walk right in it's around the back, > Just a half a mile from the railroad track6 > You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant >  >  > -- > Peter WeaverJ > Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor the I > company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts  to.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 16:27:31 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207161527.af98961@posting.google.com>  q prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) wrote in message news:<3d331e66.3178546928@proxy.news.easynews.com>... C > On 14 Jul 2002 19:50:39 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  > wrote: > I > >Said Charlie Matco, DEC-watcher extraordinaire: "C Fiorina visited the B > >OpenVMS and Tru64 folks one day last month. All and sundry wereB > >impressed with Carly, and Carly was impressed with goings-on inI > >ZKOland. Once she got the message on OpenVMS and Tru64, she was pretty  > >impressed as well.  > ? > Capellas made the same sort of Papal visit to Spit Brook Road ; > after he took over as Compaq's CEO, gave the same sort of ? > pep talk, and seemed impressed with the goings-on in ZKOland. = > And GQ Bob before him.  You'll therefore have to forgive me A > for being skeptical, and for reserving judgement on Carly until ) > I see what she does, not what she says.  > D > >"There have of course been some modest job cuts on the Tru64 sideB > >(what with the impending consolidation onto HP-UX, but no major& > >bloodletting) but VMS remains safe. > C > Carly knows a cash cow when she sees one.  VMS is safe as long as 1 > it continues to provide a steady profit stream.  > I > >"So fie and a pox on the naysayers, especially the clueless whiners in  > >comp.os.vms." > G > Certainly those who whine whenver a HPaq press release comes out that G > doesn't mention VMS in big letters, underlined in red, quotated, with E > circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one, + > are going to continue to be disappointed.  > H > But the open question remains as to what HP intends to do with its VMSE > market over the long term.  Is it going to try to wind down the VMS H > committment as fast as possible?  Is it going to milk the cash cow forF > all it's worth, investing only the minimum amount of engineering andE > marketing effort to keep it growing?  Or is it going to try to grow H > the VMS business?  I'm fairly confident that HP isn't going to try theF > first of these three alternatives, but I'm not sure it's made up its > mind between the last two. >  > ---------- > Remove 'Z' to reply by email.   F after talking with Rich Marcello, I pick option 2 ... as long as there( are users, it will be there for them ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:07:04 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 8 Subject: Re: comp.os.vms "whiners" make news on Inquirer' Message-ID: <3D34E3BB.40795E1B@fsi.net>    Peter Weaver wrote:  > ? > "Paul Winalski" <prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com> wrote in message 5 > news:3d331e66.3178546928@proxy.news.easynews.com...  > >...I > > doesn't mention VMS in big letters, underlined in red, quotated, with G > > circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one, - > > are going to continue to be disappointed.  > >... > L > Thanks, I read line and now the song (all 25 minutes of it) won't leave my > head!  > 6 > You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant 'Ceptin' Alice, 6 > You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant$ > Walk right in it's around the back, > Just a half a mile from the railroad track6 > You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant  > "Well, it was two thanksgivings ago... it was two years ago onG thanksgiving when my friend and I went to visit Alice at The Restaurant A but Alice doesn't live in The Restaurant, she lives in The Church D outside The Restaurant with her husband Ray and Fascia(sp?) the dog.H They had a lot o' room downstairs where the pews used to be, 'n' seeing'H 's how they had all that room, they decided they didn't have to take out! their garbage for a long time..."   D I could go on to tell ya "the story of the twenty-seven eight-by-tenD color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on theD back of each one explainin' what each one was to be used as evidenceG against us", or I could tell ya 'bout "Whitehall Street where ya go an'NE ya get injected, detected infected, neglected and selected", but thenoH I'd likely get "hung down, brung down, hung up", and all kinds of nasty, ugly, horrible things...  A ...but basically, I guess ya just wanna hear the story of Alice's F Restaurant Massacree with complete orchestration, in five part harmony* and stuff like that and other phenomena...   -- t David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/Q   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:49:36 -0700o' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>r- Subject: Re: Creating a "UNIX disk" under VMSM+ Message-ID: <3D34A300.9A877972@caltech.edu>s   Joe Sewell wrote:y > E > I'm working on a program that will need to be able to copy not onlymH > VMS disks (using BACKUP/IMAGE), but also UNIX (Solaris, to be precise)E > disks using BACKUP/PHYSICAL.  Assuming I cannot get the appropriateeF > group to make a UNIX disk on the media I require, is there any way IF > can convince VMS (V7.2-1 with UCX) to reinitialize a disk as a "UNIX" > disk" (to use the term loosely)?  = I'm not sure what you're up to exactly but in a previous life = I used BACKUP/PHYSICAL from a VMS boot CD to replicate a disk < containing WNT/Alpha and Linux (in separate partitions) from: one identical disk to another.  It worked fine.  That kind= of physical replication it doesn't matter what's on the disk.-< Had the drives been at all different sizes I would have been out of luck though..   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:40:24 -0700 ' From: JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.com>c Subject: CXX questions( Message-ID: <3D34CB08.4FE32CC7@lmco.com>  E First, is this the best newsgroup for HPQ CXX questions?  If not, I'meG looking for suggestions on where the new one(s) are.  I need to ask ouri* news server admin to add them to the list.  A Second, should the following code (as seen in Stroustrup from thet earliest editions) run on CXX?  H I have two arrays of same data type and size and want to copy one to the2 other.  Evidently some implementations will allow:   	datatype arr1[10], arr2[10];i  
 	arr1 = arr2;   H But in CXX I get an error message about a needing a modifiable l-value. % So I try the old Stroustrup example..    	while(*arr1++ = *arr2++);  E and I still get the same complaint from the compiler about modifiable  l-value.  G Is this supposed to be able to run, or is there something that needs tot
 be fixed?    TIA,  
 Jeff Klopotic    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 17:41:12 GMT4 From: Chip Coldwell <coldwell@frank.harvard.invalid> Subject: Re: DEC 3000 Hobbyist/ Message-ID: <ah1lro$ol0$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>K  + WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:n   > Hmmm.c! > I'm wondering about the CD-ROM.2& > What make and model of CD-ROM is it?  F A very relevant question as it turns out.  It was a Yamaha CDR400tx, aD SCSI CD-ROM burner which I figured would look like a regular CD-ROM.C Apparently this is only somewhat true: I swapped in a CD-ROM that IyF rescued from an old VAX and it worked just fine.  So I'm now on my way to my first VMS boot.a   Thanks for the suggestions!d   Chip   -- r Charles  M. "Chip" Coldwelle "Turn on, log in, tune out"i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:21:04 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t  Subject: Re: Delete of .bck file' Message-ID: <3D34E705.79EDC4AE@fsi.net>'   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > \ > p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<UcL+w4UD3grp@elias.decus.ch>...b > > In article <3D331174.23335CC9@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:H > > > I have five *.bck files on one DLT 40/TAPE. The name of the file IG > > > want to delete off the tape is called us15jul02.bck. What command3 > > > would I use? > > >MO > > You can't. Simple as that. Tapes are serial devices - think about trying to P > > delete a TV program from a VCR tape or a music track from an audio cassette. >  > Why is this hard?  > $ > 1. Time how long the selection is. > 2 > 2. Cue the tape to the beginning of the program. > ; > 3. Set your VCR to line or if audio provide silent input.  > M > 4. Record for the duration of the selection using the time found in step 1.a  + That's not "DELETE", that's "COPY/OVERLAY".o   -- i David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:22:33 GMTi1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e  Subject: Re: Delete of .bck file' Message-ID: <3D34E75E.D8CD5533@fsi.net>S   Bob Koehler wrote: > n > In article <3d331353.3175711501@proxy.news.easynews.com>, prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) writes: > >nD > > Mount the tape and use the DELETE command from DCL.  Or is there+ > > more to your question that I'm missing?  > @ >    And just howmany times have you actually seen that succeed?  H Perhaps he was suggesting to let the machine issue its own message. That9 should at least be credible, if not entirely explanatory.n   -- a David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/W   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:16:19 +0100e9 From: Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>i Subject: Re: DS10 shutting downA? Message-ID: <4d882b574b.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>0  + In message <3D2DB0AB.7DAF78DF@videotron.ca>t8           JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > > OK.  Then my next guess is an intermittent power problem.  Could be the-N > > supply itself, a short, a loose/broken connection, or a component failure.  > > Sounds like a FS call to me. > G > I **assume** that the person took the cover off and verified that all 3 > connectors are firmly plugged in  and not loose ?a > P > If so, could field service really do anything without more information on whatN > is happening ? Wouldn't it be a case of "swap one part, and then wait to seeL > if it fails again, and if so, swap another part" until the problem stops ? > K > Seems to me that getting a printout of the console output would be key too" > finding out what really happens.  = I've had two problems similar to this on DS20E. In each case:e   There was no error log entry There was no crash dumpt There was no console outputB. The system did not respond to the reset button Power off/on got it running0 It was intermittent.  " The first was a motherboard fault.L The second was processor 0 crashing. Eventually spotted with $SHOW CPU after8 the power off/on. It came up in single CPU mode on CPU1.   -- u
 Alan Adams& alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:44:03 +0100s) From: Witchy <news@sruasonidyranib.co.uk>   Subject: ES40, DE600, clustering8 Message-ID: <tm09jugf8h89r4a8l481t71vi1ts9pe72b@4ax.com>  	 Hi folks,s  F Another question for you following on from my shadowing questions lastE week. The 7.3 cluster I'm building consists of 2 ES40s and a DS10 foreD quorum. Both ES40s contain 3 DE600s each, the DS10 has its 2 builtinC DE500s and a spare DE600. I'm pretty sure all relevant patches haveOA been applied but can't swear on it since the customer has had the > system on test for a while and may have done things without my6 knowledge; I know they've reinstalled VMS on the DS10.  F One ES40 (main) and the DS10 are in the same room, the second (backup)@ is on the other end of a fibre link. There's a switch connectingC everything together, and for some reason the switch is showing fulltF duplex enabled for the main ES40 despite the fact the cards are set to Fast mode. The DE500s are fine.e  C The main machine is running reasonably happily as a standalone node-@ connected to the end user's network using 2 of the DE600s. It'llC report duplicate packets for every ping sent out but I'm working ong that.TD However, as soon as everything's clustered it'll last for 10 minutes> or so then the cluster interconnect will start reporting a LOTB excessive packet loss - $show error will give numbers over 120 forE PEA0 in a few minutes. A minute or so later and the main machine willw	 bugcheck.r  F I can find patches for DE602s and similar problems but nothing for theD DE600; am I right in thinking the LAN cards are at fault here? We'veE actually had connection problems right from the word go; in each casefD a change of hub or switch has temporarily masked the problem but its always come back.....h   Any questions, ask away.   Thanks for reading :)b  E Oh, reverse domain name to reply by email or fill in the contact form-B at http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - my computer museum and small homage to all things DEC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:09:10 -0700-# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>n Subject: ftp W2K->VMSe9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEAOFGAA.tom@kednos.com>d  4 Have ASCII file to transfer, but no CR only LF which: results in a record size problem, but, of course it may be? transferred in Binary mode.  (HGFTP complains about record sizei' as it should, UCX and Multinet do not) l  < Is there a way to do this on the transfer so I don't have to5 busy myself at the receiving with fixing up the file?d ---t& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:29:22 +0100 (BST) F From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: How to kill users@ Message-ID: <20020717032922.23395.qmail@web21008.mail.yahoo.com>  
 Hello all,5 I would like to kill users who refuse to log out even- after I notify them. -   How can I do this?   Thanks & regards Kesav   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Everything you'll ever need on one web page-- from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts  http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:37:05 GMT.# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a0 Subject: Intel's Fight for High-End Market - WSJH Message-ID: <5m0Z8.19984$WsS.10549@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  L http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1026078047460132600,00.html?mod=article-o	 utset-boxL    ! Intel's Fight for High-End Marketi  Goes On With Launch of Itanium 2 By DON CLARK) Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNALh    L Intel Corp. is determined to change the economics of high-end computing, andJ a new chip called Itanium 2, which goes on sale Monday, is a major step in that campaign.  L The Santa Clara, Calif., semiconductor powerhouse says at least 20 companiesL have signed up to use the powerful chip, which is an important makeover of a3 year-old product line that has sold slowly to date.0  L Intel's plan is to get such computer makers to use the same standard chip inK their most powerful machines, the same way many companies use its chips foro personal computers.b  J But Intel's struggle to popularize the new chip architecture, announced inI 1994 as a joint project with Hewlett-Packard Co., still has a long way to E go. To understand the challenges, consider the tasks confronting Mark  Seager.s  H Mr. Seager, who manages a high-performance computing program at LawrenceL Livermore National Laboratory, evaluates chips to build huge supercomputers.F Many such labs, whose tasks include simulating nuclear weapons and theL condition of weapons stockpiles, increasingly are opting for machines calledH "clusters" that use hundreds of inexpensive, PC-style chips and the free Linux operating system.   K The Itanium 2 would seem a natural. It can address 64 bits of memory, whichoL means that machines can make use of four billion times more memory than withK Intel's existing 32-bit chips. Intel says its recent tests show the ItaniumlK 2 edging out International Business Machines Corp.'s speedy Power4 chip forc= "floating point" calculations used extensively by scientists.a  L But for Livermore's latest cluster, Intel's 32-bit Xeon chip was deemed moreI than adequate. The 700 processors in the system each have two Xeon chips;.H including memory, a disk drive, circuit board and other accessories, theL price per processor was about $2,650, Mr. Seager says. By contrast, a single) high-end Itanium 2 chip lists for $4,226.dJ "If Itanium 2 was really cheap we'd buy tons of it," Mr. Seager says. "The issue is cost-performance."   I In the commercial realm, Itanium 2 is getting endorsements from companiesiG such as H-P, which is planning to winnow five chip types down to two bypH relying on Intel. But other users of the company's 32-bit chips, such asK Dell Computer Corp. and NCR Corp.'s Teradata division, say they want to seeQ' signs of customer demand for Itanium 2.o  H "We believe the 32-bit chips are delivering the combination of price andE performance that is leading in the marketplace," says Stephen Brobst, B Teradata's chief technology officer. "The need to switch to 64-bit5 technology is not a dominant thing to our customers."b  G Intel officials acknowledge that not everyone needs Itanium 2, and thateH commercial sales aren't expected to take off until some popular softwareE applications are ready later this year. "Nine out of 10 customers arelI extremely happy with their Xeon-based platforms," says Lisa Hambrick, itse+ director of enterprise processor marketing.s  D But the remaining segment is still extremely important. In the firstK quarter, server systems built on Intel chips accounted for about 89% of thenK million units sold, according to International Data Corp. But those systems L accounted for only 40% of the $11.8 billion in server revenue. The disparityL comes from the fact that many larger, more expensive systems have been builtA around 64-bit chips designed by IBM, H-P or Sun Microsystems Inc.m  L Indeed, Intel officials and their allies are quick to point to tests done byJ Intel showing Itanium 2 outperforming Sun's UltraSparc III chip. "We thinkF that this is going to cause Sun some really big challenges," said Mark/ Hudson, a world-wide marketing manager for H-P.   C A Sun spokesman argued that Sun's focus on building entire systems,hF including chips and operating systems, results in machines with higherL reliability and other key selling points. "We are seeing a lot more interestL from customers in qualitative factors rather than quantitative factors," the spokesman said.s  I In the supercomputer realm, a key initial battleground, performance is by H far the hottest topic. And, despite Mr. Seager's caution, there are manyH scientific chores where 64-bit performance is required, and Itanium 2 is beginning to win fans.  H At Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, which recently ordered a $24.5K million, Itanium 2-based supercomputer from H-P, group leader Scott StudhamnE says the lab's projections show that the 1,400-processor machine willhF achieve unheard-of efficiency. He believes word will quickly spread ofK Itanium's performance, and the chip's price will eventually decline to makenI it competitive with Xeon. "It's just a matter of time," Mr. Studham says.k  G But time could also help Advanced Micro Devices Inc. The longtime IntelwI rival is taking a sharply different approach, essentially building 64-bit J capability into all chips for PCs and servers. An AMD chip family with theL code name Hammer, which is due out late this year and will come in a versionE called Opteron for servers, is expected to run both 32-bit and 64-bitoK software at high speed. Itanium 2, by contrast, isn't efficient at handling  32-bit programs.  L AMD isn't likely to get the same support Intel got from software makers. ButF Ben Williams, AMD's director of server and workstation marketing, saysL shipping 40 million chips with 64-bit capability by the end of 2004 "is veryK doable," using a figure likely to be many times higher than the specializedi Itanium 2 is likely to sell.  L The prospect of such high volumes, likely to spur chip prices below both theH Itanium 2 and Xeon chips, has some supercomputer experts buzzing. PeopleK familiar with the matter say Sandia National Laboratory is negotiating with H supercomputer maker Cray Inc. to deliver a large system using the HammerJ chips. Neither Cray, Sandia nor AMD officials would comment on the matter.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:27:51 +0100e+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>e< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?& Message-ID: <3D3481C7.1060809@iee.org>   Nic Clews wrote:   > H > I'll correct myself, MACRO is included in the LIBRARY not the OPTIONAL
 > components.D    = I should hope so too! It used to be used (and possibly still  3 used) for doing certain things, e.g. adding some ofy2 the STARTUP components via SYSGEN uses it IIRC, as4 did booting from a tape. Without it there you really2 are asking for trouble. AFAIK the only time it was3 ever suggested that it be "hidden" was when variouss7 attacks requiring MACRO became semi-popular in academia ' back in the V5.4 (or thereabouts) days.t, Even then the suggestion was just to make it unavailable via privs.     Antonios   --     ---------------C- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:50:53 GMTi1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?' Message-ID: <3D34DFF2.1A894368@fsi.net>u   Jamie Stallwood wrote: > F > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:30:46 +0200, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> > wrote: >  > >Yes :A > >http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?VMS_SHAREo > >c? > >Now, be aware that you need another VMS system to build your> > >VMS-SHARE kits on.b > >e# > >Just thought of another thing...t@ > >You have Reflection you say. Reflection have (or had at leastA > >in the good-ol-days) a tool called VAXLINK2. The "server" partd? > >was downloadable from the emulator. *But* you needed a MACROl5 > >compiler on the VAX host to build the server part.  >  > And therein lies the nub :)   @ Well, actually, you only need MACRO (I can't believe it's really6 missing! I know it's an install time, option, but...).  = I wanted to post this last night, but it just got too late...   C Try this: Get these three files into the same directory on your PC:   3 http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/vaxlink2_dmp.txta. http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/dmp2bin.dcl, http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/ulwrq.rcl  D Log in to VMS on your Alpha, and run the ULWRQ.RCL script. This willF "upload" the other two files to your VAX. On a 9600 baud line, you can< expect this to run for quite a while - a good hour at least.  C When its done ("Exit" appears, then the DCL prompt), invoke the DCLa proc. like so:   $ @DMP2BIN VAXLINK2.DMPd  F When it's done, you will have VAXLINK2.EXE - the VMS-side program partE of thw WRQ file transfer protocol. Then, check your R/4 file transferCG setup. It should be set up to send the command RUN VAXLINK2 to kick-offy the VMS-side of the transfer.s   That should set you up.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:25:18 GMT-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>M< Subject: Re: Is it possible to write UUDecode/Encode in DCL?' Message-ID: <3D34E803.E9C0CF13@fsi.net>3   Joe Silagi wrote:n > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3D338792.20FDD3A3@fsi.net...U > > Jamie Stallwood wrote: > > >tJ > > > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:06:54 +0200, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> > > > wrote: > > > ? > > > >Can you have a terminal emulator connected that uses the 4 > > > >console (or some other hard-wired terminal) ? > > > > F > > > >Then, if nothing else works, you could build VMS-SHARE files ofI > > > >anything you'd like to move to your system. Then, on the connectedmF > > > >PC, cut-n-paste the VMS-SHARE file from Notepad via the consoleD > > > >to your system. then just run your VMS-SHARE file to "unpack"> > > > >your files. You must have a working TPU on your system. > > > >u3 > > > >What do you mean by "need to bootstrap it" ?u > > > >Isn't the box booted ?h > > >f > > > Thanks Jan, 0 > > > That's what I needed. I have reflection 4, > >aL > > Then, if your R/4 is complete, you should have an option buried in thereF > > somewhere to upload the VAXLINK2 program. Look for UPLOADVX,RCL orJ > > UPLOADVX.RBS in the Reflection directory tree if you don't find a menu4 > > option. All else fails, look in Reflection Help. > D > FYI: Prior to Reflection 9.0 (R2 and R4) the upload file was namedH > uploadvx.rbs as indicated above.  In 9.0 and later releases the uploadJ > scripts are localized in three other languages other than English.  As aK > result of the localization the filenames have been changed to include thehN > locale.  For example: the English upload script is named upvxenu.rbs.   (The; > other locales are: frn=French, jpn=Japanese, deu=German.)i  G He used the older name, "Reflection/4" instead of "Reflection for RegisoH Graphics", the newer name. I didn't want to assume that he had a product much newer than V6 or V7 or so.    -- g David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 21:48:48 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...s- Message-ID: <ah24c0$p4n@web.eng.baileynm.com>   0 In article <agnjo3$40u$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,) Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:n/ > In article <agnj3d$5go@web.eng.baileynm.com>,d) > Peter da Silva <peter@abbnm.com> wrote:sD > >In article <P8LW8.419482$o66.1136863@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,1 > >Andrew Reilly  <areilly@bigpond.net.au> wrote:hL > >> If there's a fully out-of-order IA-32 engine on the chip, how much moreM > >> effort would it take to turn IA-64 into a 128 register out-of-order RISCf
 > >> chip?   > >Technical or political? :)t  N > >Wasn't there speculation that the ex-EV8 guys would be set to work buildingB > >a chip like that with a JIT EPIC-RISC converter in front of it?  B > Would you class that speculation as technical, political or just > plain fantastic?  N I'd say a brainiac IA64 using the same basic translation techniques that everyD IA32 since the 486 has done is more "inevitable" than anything else.  N > >(I still think Intel should just release the "New Intel Alpha Architecture" > > and have done with it)  @ > Actually, they would do much better to put the Alpha team onto5 > producing a seriously SMP-capable 64-bit ARM designe  F In what way do you see the ARM as being a better architecture for this than Alpha?d   -- eO I've seen things you people can't imagine. Chimneysweeps on fire over the roofs O of London. I've watched kite-strings glitter in the sun at Hyde Park Gate.  AlljL these things will be lost in time, like chalk-paintings in the rain.   `-_-'K Time for your nap.  | Peter da Silva | Har du kramat din varg, idag?    'U`w   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jul 2002 21:58:41 GMT& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...0- Message-ID: <ah24uh$psl@web.eng.baileynm.com>'  0 In article <agi3lg$f0k$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>,) Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote: F > No, that is NOT so.  Until fairly recently, HP was hedging its bets,D > and was developing PA-RISC as actively as ever, just more quietly.? > And HP did NOT force Compaq into the migration - Capellas had @ > already taken that decision, announced it, disbanded the Alpha@ > development and sold off some of the IPR and people before the > merger with HP started.m  C That depends, of course, on how you define when "the merger with HPr	 started".    -- nO I've seen things you people can't imagine. Chimneysweeps on fire over the roofsdO of London. I've watched kite-strings glitter in the sun at Hyde Park Gate.  AllpL these things will be lost in time, like chalk-paintings in the rain.   `-_-'K Time for your nap.  | Peter da Silva | Har du kramat din varg, idag?    'U`a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:35:00 -0700v+ From: "Dennis O'Connor" <dmoc@primenet.com>r Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...l3 Message-ID: <1026880351.688039@nnrp2.phx1.gblx.net>i  , "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote ...+ > Nick Maclaren <nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:hB > > Actually, they would do much better to put the Alpha team onto7 > > producing a seriously SMP-capable 64-bit ARM design  >k? > In what way do you see the ARM as being a better architecturea > for this than Alpha?  : Peter, frankly, I don't think Nick would recognize the ARM/ architecture if it shoved its Thumb up his ....a --7 Dennis O'Connor                       dmoc@primenet.coms4 "We don't become a rabid dog to destroy a rabid dog"   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 13:55:29 -0700, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin) Subject: Re: MQSeriese= Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0207161255.5c07df6b@posting.google.com>i  ` "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam> wrote in message news:<3d3327a6$1@news.swissonline.ch>... > Hello, > J > is there somebody out there, who is using MQSeries from IBM for VMS AXP?= > I would be glad to hear about expriences with this product.e > 	 > regards  > 
 > Jakob Erberd  D We use the MQ client on Alpha VMS systems, with the server hosted onD AIX systems. Overall, the product is not bad. One thing to watch outE for that got us is their use of common event flags. Some of our oldereE software was using common event flag cluster 2 and MQSeries also uses=D this cluster. Shortly after installing MQSeries and using it in someD of the code, our software would develop mysterious hangs. After manyD conversations with IBM, they admitted that they were using cluster 2F but had not documented it. Once we changed our old code to use clusterC 3 the problems went away. The only other complaint I have is fairlyv? minor one-- just like with Oracle, it's often difficult to findo) someone at IBM that is familiar with VMS.o   Regards,   Bill McLaughlin-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:15:24 +0100o- From: Gerald Marsh <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk>a Subject: Re: MQSeries 8 Message-ID: <3129ju4iojefn4rte0gpetiaeabov4vdg9@4ax.com>   Hello Jakob,  D I've been using MQSeries on OpenVMS for about a few years. InitiallyE we had some chronic resource problems but soon sorted them out. (BTW,IB the MQ process quotas are controlled via system logical names. ForE instance, MQS_FILLM. I believe they are still subject to the vagariest  of the PQL parameters, however.)  C MQ's error reporting is interesting - a potential trawl through sixhE different error logs to find the correct one! It is one of those rareiF breeds which creates a system error log entry if it has a really nastyE problem. V2.2.1.1 is a great improvement on its predecessor regarding'E its error reporting so I suspect V5.1 - which we intend to install in $ a few weeks - should be even better.  D If you are able create a program to read the event queues within MQ.C We have a simple program which interprets the message, creates HTML9F and sends it to a webserver for detailed display. (It also reports the event to Tivoli.)   C A word of warning if you are using the IBM supplied examples to puteE and get messages - they do not conform to OpenVMS' error handling andeB you can get fatal exceptions reported as successes. (It's not thatC tricky to get the things to behave, though. Send me an email if youa want more details.)w  C We use MQ in a highly business critical environment to talk to MVS,rE AIX and NT systems. Of the implementations I suggest that OpenVMS' is 0 the most robust (there again I would say that!).  C It was interesting to read that someone has had problems in runningaC the utilities from batch jobs. We use their utilities extensively -iE for instance with Robomon - to look out for anything nasty happening,g like excessive queue depths.  F Some good advice is to set define the system logical MQS_VMSERR to "1"% as this would give more diagnostics.    D Over the years we have developed tools and techniques to ensure thatD MQ is behaving itself. Drop me an email if you'd like more hints andD tips on this. The Java interface (via a server channel) is also veryC useful. I've used it to graphically display depths of queues and totE place very large messages on a queue which would exceed DCL's limits.    Good luck with it!   Gerald.o   Gerald Marsh  / gerald -at- cyfer -dot- demon -dot- co -dot- uke    1 On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:51:12 +0200, "Jakob Erber"o <erberj@yahoo.de_nospam> wrote:i   >Hello,t >iM >thanks a lot for all these replies. I was suprised about how many people hadc >something to say. >sI >We are going to try using MQSeries in order to connect our large VMS AXPtJ >installation to the new EAI Infrastructure, based on Seebeyonds 'e*gate',J >which is not avail on VMS, but a a connector (eway) for MQ. We would haveE >prefered BEA MessageQ (former DEC Message Q), but BEA itself did notlL >recommend that we buy this product. Seems they do not want to support it inD >the future. The MQ product seems to fit quite clumsily into the VMSM >environment at the first clance and is very expensive too. IBM presses hard,sA >cause we do not indent to buy the rest of their Websphere suite.  > . >More questions concerning the MQ product are: >oL >1) Have there been problems in interoperability with MQ on other plattforms >(Windoze, Tru64, Sun)K >2) Is it a good way, trying to manage the MQ Installation on VMS through a   >PC (remote management feature)?J >3) Does somebody has special hints, how to diagnoze problems on VMS best? > 
 >best regards  >t >Jakob >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:02:14 -0500e+ From: Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net>i Subject: Re: MQSeriesi- Message-ID: <3D34D026.1D04169A@bellsouth.net>    Jakob Erber wrote:   > Hello, >eN > thanks a lot for all these replies. I was suprised about how many people had > something to say.n >uJ > We are going to try using MQSeries in order to connect our large VMS AXPK > installation to the new EAI Infrastructure, based on Seebeyonds 'e*gate',PK > which is not avail on VMS, but a a connector (eway) for MQ. We would havenF > prefered BEA MessageQ (former DEC Message Q), but BEA itself did notM > recommend that we buy this product. Seems they do not want to support it inmE > the future. The MQ product seems to fit quite clumsily into the VMSeN > environment at the first clance and is very expensive too. IBM presses hard,B > cause we do not indent to buy the rest of their Websphere suite. >i/ > More questions concerning the MQ product are:t >rM > 1) Have there been problems in interoperability with MQ on other plattformsr > (Windoze, Tru64, Sun)y >h  E No problems connecting to WinNT, AS/400, or MVS.  Initially MQ on VMS  ran better then MQ on AS/400.n    L > 2) Is it a good way, trying to manage the MQ Installation on VMS through a! > PC (remote management feature)?w >   F With version 5.1 you are supposed to be able to manage VMS via JAVA or" the MQexplorer product on Windows.      K > 3) Does somebody has special hints, how to diagnoze problems on VMS best?d >s  P As someone mentioned turnon VMSERR and get used to looking at all the log files.   Shaelp   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:45:32 GMTn) From: etkaiser@softhome.net (Evan Kaiser)e8 Subject: need help: ODBC driver for rdb on OpenVMS AlphaD Message-ID: <we2Z8.17712$Kx3.15152@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  G Hi everyone, I'm quite new to the OpenVMS world and need a little help.i Here's the situation.bE We have an OpenVMS Alpha 6.2 server running a proprietary application K which contains what must be a pair of Rdb databases (as rdb shows up in themK license list and is the only database software on the list). This server isfL going to be retired and we want to simply move those databases to a Windows O 2000 system running MS SQL Server 2000. The catch is, we need some kind of ODBC,N server software on the OpenVMS system, and while we do have an OpenVMS expert,L he's not familiar with database-related stuff with it. Does anyone know of aE good set of software that can provide ODBC connectivity between thesedN systems? If we could get an ODBC connection, we could just directly import theP databases into SQL Server with (hopefully) little hassle, and that would be the L ideal solution. I know Attunity makes such software, and it looks like CONNXL does too, so if anyone has opinions about those, I'd be glad to hear them. IM found another vendor or two that produces such a connection suite, but theirs L worked only with OpenVMS Alpha 7.x or newer. It'd be nice if we could find aN vendor with some kind of short-term licensing deal since we obviously won't beJ using it for very long since the Alpha box will be retired, but that's notO critical. Any help or suggestions about other vendors would be most welcome. If J you could, please email responses to me at ekaiser@intear.com so I can see, them as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.   Evan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:03:18 -0400j1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>s Subject: Nostalgia2 Message-ID: <3D34D065.BA00EDF4@firstdbasource.com>  E Okay, which came first Unix 'talk' or VMS Phone? -- and can you prove  it?  my dates are alot fuzzy.    -- . Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163a7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com+E                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.html:/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)M   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:51:53 +0200y From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Nostalgia& Message-ID: <3D3505F9.9040708@home.nl>  D Could be that Phone already was a part of RSX-11,  so it was around  before VMS ....2   Dirk   Michael Austin wrote:l  F >Okay, which came first Unix 'talk' or VMS Phone? -- and can you prove >it?  my dates are alot fuzzy. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:05:02 GMT ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>kA Subject: Re: Old CompuServe VAXforum libraries archived anywhere? 0 Message-ID: <rc72ha.7hq.ln@dadsys1.fuller.local>   Howard S Shubs wrote:   2 > In article <luvvga.mva.ln@dadsys1.fuller.local>,+ >  Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net> wrote:/ >  >> Wish me luck. >  > Luck!n >   - Unfortunately, not enough.  I can't find 'em.            Stun   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:04:33 -0400o# From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net>n  Subject: SOAP and XML On OpenVMSO Message-ID: <CD6E9591EB3366C7.547D74644E71FD90.5D0292A2A65F702E@lp.airnews.net>   K     We're looking for a product/library that will take an XML file, send itnH via SOAP/SSL to a remote service, wait for the return file, and place it, back on the system with logging retry etc...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:38:12 -0400I' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>n$ Subject: RE: SOAP and XML On OpenVMST Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D92FC@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Hal,  ? You may already be aware of this pointer, but just in case: =20-A http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/soap/soap.htmlvF "Compaq is pleased to provide you with the Compaq-supported,  customer> release version of SOAP Toolkit Version 1.0 for OpenVMS Alpha.  C For additional information, see the Requirements for using the SOAPmE Toolkit on OpenVMS and the SOAP Installation Guide and Release Notes.a  ? SOAP is a lightweight protocol for exchange of information in a2H decentralized, distributed environment. It is an XML based protocol that consists of three parts:  E an envelope that defines a framework for describing the contents of aaD message and how to process it a set of encoding rules for expressingB application-defined datatypes a convention for representing remote procedure calls and responses."P   Regardss  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantd Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660p Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----+ From: Hal Kuff [mailto:kuff@comcast.net]=20  Sent: July 16, 2002 8:05 PMb To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn  Subject: SOAP and XML On OpenVMS      H     We're looking for a product/library that will take an XML file, sendH it via SOAP/SSL to a remote service, wait for the return file, and place/ it back on the system with logging retry etc...h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:36:16 GMTeE From: W.E. Peccant <wepeccant-CUT-THIS-OUT-@hotmail-AND-THIS-TOO.com>2Y Subject: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Appliancl8 Message-ID: <sms9ju8h1dkutk5hjgur0s48ibpr5ht8vq@4ax.com>  ? I'm curious to know the positives and the negatives of managingeC StorageWorks HSG80 controllers with the Compaq, now HPQ, Management " Appliance instead of STEAM agents.  ! Are STEAM agents still supported?r   Have you switched?  D If you want to reply directly to me by email, please edit the return address.   Thanks for your comments,e   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:23:51 +020072 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)< Subject: Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay; Message-ID: <3d3472c7.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>-  . Jonathan Boswell (jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov) wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote:G > > IMHO, POP-before-SMTP features the typical *ix hack method to solve.
 > > problems.m > I > It has the unique elegance of adding anti-spam security while requiring.? > no reconfiguration of email clients.  SMTP AUTH requires this>I > reconfiguration at minimum, or even worse, a forced "upgrade" for users$J > of email clients which do not support this feature.  This is a big deal.  9 Well... like Mike Oldfield put it on his "Tubular Bells":eD "This stereo record cannot be played on old tin boxes no matter whatG they are fitted with. If you are in possession of such equipment please ) hand it into the nearest police station."o  D > Some folks have kept using their favorite email client for over 10I > years, retaining hundreds of contacts and thousands of messages in somesI > format which cannot easily be transferred to a more modern email client 
 > program.  E Can't it? If it's some then-popular MUA, someone surely has written a4 conversion program.i  = > Even hackish solutions on a few servers is IMHO superior tojI > forcing a migration onto unwilling customers!  They could migrate right  > off VMS instead.  I Why then did you switch off the *ix box that suited your matters so well?a   cu,4   Martin  G BTW: I know of no SMTP/POP3 combination that implements POP-before-SMTP       under VMS.d  G P.S.: AFAIK, even MicroCrap Outlook could at some time not be used withoD       POP-before-SMTP because it couldn't be persuaded to POP first. -- HA                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer-. Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/-5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:01:20 -0400.- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>m< Subject: Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay0 Message-ID: <3D3497B0.DF651508@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:K > Why then did you switch off the *ix box that suited your matters so well?v  N I was speaking theoretically.  My old IPP abruptly died, and I was thinking ofP migrating to the AlphaStation in my basement.  What prevented me from doing thisM was the lack of a suitable anti-spam feature in TCPIP Services.  I was forcedt) onto another unix-based IPP instead. (:-(     - JBe   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 16:17:23 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207161517.441cdb20@posting.google.com>t  e Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message news:<3D343B90.36C3308E@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>...v > Bob Ceculski wrote:-H > > that's not a problem with TCPware ... I can allow any user or domain$ > > to relay based on ip address ... > Q > Bob!  I expected you to sing the merits of TCPware.  But you're admitting abovenP > that it cannot do SMTP AUTH nor POP-before-SMTP?  This makes it no better thanJ > TCPIP Services.  Note that TCPIP Services can already filter based on IP
 > address. >  >  - JB   A it sure can, with ssh server and port forwarding, you can encrypte the whole smtp session!r   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 16:21:47 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: TCPIP Services anti-spam feature for SMTP relay< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207161521.baca733@posting.google.com>  e Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message news:<3D344033.6BF09EB2@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>...m > Martin Vorlaender wrote: > > IMHO, POP-before-SMTPM; > > features the typical *ix hack method to solve problems.o > L > It has the unique elegance of adding anti-spam security while requiring noO > reconfiguration of email clients.  SMTP AUTH requires this reconfiguration at P > minimum, or even worse, a forced "upgrade" for users of email clients which doR > not support this feature.  This is a big deal.  Some folks have kept using theirM > favorite email client for over 10 years, retaining hundreds of contacts andsN > thousands of messages in some format which cannot easily be transferred to aO > more modern email client program.  Even hackish solutions on a few servers isrL > IMHO superior to forcing a migration onto unwilling customers!  They could  > migrate right off VMS instead. >  >  - JB   D apop is out!  SSH server smtp sessions are in ... and now ssh serverA is just not only available on tcpware and multinet, but ucx usersgB can get ssh server from process to authenticate and encrypt on anyA static port app ... including smtp ... this is the new apop, it's,F more secure than apop, any pc users can find an ssh client (i.e. fish) so what's the problem?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:28:28 GMT:1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n$ Subject: Re: Terminal input from DCL' Message-ID: <3D34E8C1.71BCBFBA@fsi.net>g   "John.Malmberg" wrote: >  > Frits A.M. Storms wrote: > > L.S.O > > As DCL does not provide a precise input routine (I am missing featues like:rN > > Predefined maximum number of characters in length, editable default stringO > > to start with, handling of function keys, character string with the precise J > > characters that are allowed) as can be seen from 3GL-applications I am0 > > looking for the easiest way to realise this.P > > Is there a nifty freeware application I missed, or can I build (using GNU C)P > > a simple routine by calling TPU or another system service that is suitable ? > > yours sincerely, > J > You may want to look at the OpenVMS RTL Screen Management (SMG$) manual.  " These are accessible via DCL???!!!   -- y David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:46:19 -0400o5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>M- Subject: test drive the next generation Alphat* Message-ID: <ah20mg$ii6$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Marvel Test Drivea  K A 2P ES80 prototype Marvel is available for shared use under the Test DrivetK program on the external Web. The system is open to anyone who registers for I an account. The system will rotate through Tru64 UNIX, Linux, and OpenVMSe7 every few weeks. The notice about the Marvel system is:h  " <http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/>  & Public registration for an account is:9 <http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/accounts/register.shtml>b  + Marvel for Use in the Enterprise System Labi  F Two 8P GS1280 Marvel prototype systems are available at the EnterpriseI System Lab in Littleton, Massachusetts for dedicated use by customers andmI partners. The systems can be accessed over the Internet or time scheduledtL for a visit at the ESL. Contact Vince.Ryan@HP.com <mailto:Vince.Ryan@HP.com>< to arrange for access. You can see the systems via a Webcam:" <http://16.21.0.5/view/view.shtml>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:04:31 -0700t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e1 Subject: RE: test drive the next generation Alphas9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEAGFGAA.tom@kednos.com>a   I note that it isn't yet on E http://www.compaq.com/products/software/info/refmat/swl_syschart.htmle  6 Which category will this fit into as far as licensing?  J With IBM's test drive program you get 100MB of disc for a month so you can upload your code, similar here?t       >-----Original Message-----c; >From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com]t% >Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:46 PMi >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. >Subject: test drive the next generation Alpha >e >E >Marvel Test Drive >ML >A 2P ES80 prototype Marvel is available for shared use under the Test DriveL >program on the external Web. The system is open to anyone who registers forJ >an account. The system will rotate through Tru64 UNIX, Linux, and OpenVMS8 >every few weeks. The notice about the Marvel system is: >y# ><http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/>  > ' >Public registration for an account is: : ><http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/accounts/register.shtml> > , >Marvel for Use in the Enterprise System Lab >2G >Two 8P GS1280 Marvel prototype systems are available at the Enterprise J >System Lab in Littleton, Massachusetts for dedicated use by customers andJ >partners. The systems can be accessed over the Internet or time scheduled2 >for a visit at the ESL. Contact Vince.Ryan@HP.com ><mailto:Vince.Ryan@HP.com>e= >to arrange for access. You can see the systems via a Webcam:s# ><http://16.21.0.5/view/view.shtml>n >  >  >o >r >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.t; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eA >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002o >n ---o& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:53:08 GMTd1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>h8 Subject: Re: Using GNU C on OpenVMS FAQ (Looking for it)' Message-ID: <3D34E07A.44601929@fsi.net>    "Frits A.M. Storms" wrote: > [snip]0 > "LNK$LIBRARY" [super] = "SMARTSTAR:SS_LIB.OLB"  D WOW!!! What a blast from the past! SmartStar! I've not heard of that since the middle 80's!   -- p David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:27:10 -0400e From: "GD" <gdixon@frognet.net>a Subject: Re: VMS commitmenth. Message-ID: <3d346fc0$1_2@corp.newsgroups.com>  E > If HP really makes VMS run on any IA64 platform, then you should beeB > able to buy just VMS from HP and buy your hardware from Dell, or4 > better yet, build it yourself for even less money.  B From what I hear, it sounds like after moving VMS to Itanium, thatF ports to other chipsets will be easy.  So, why would running VMS on anB AMD chip on a DELL box not work?  Of course, internal politics canC kill anything, but look on the bright side...Many of us have wanteddC VMS on other hardware platforms for years and now we're getting it..   Grantl        > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!s> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 15:37:17 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: VMS commitmente= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0207161437.61d8a630@posting.google.com>   q prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) wrote in message news:<3d343f04.3252432670@proxy.news.easynews.com>...eC > On 15 Jul 2002 15:33:10 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)t > wrote: > E > >a vms elimination project is always wrong!  There is not one othervG > >platform right now that can offer the security and stability of VMS!nG > >If you believe otherwise, just name another platform and I'll hammerhF > >you with cert advisories and email's from other posters on comp.???G > >that will make you look like an idiot for even stating the above ... J > >and the CEO's at this place stating they don't need disaster tolerance? > >they are just as stupid ... > E > Sorry, but that's pure bullshit.  I agree with you completely abouteC > the security and stability aspects of the VMS platform, but therer? > are other considerations that a company may wish to take intoo
 > account. > G > As with any business decision, choice of an operating system on which H > to run the business is a matter of trade-offs.  Security and stabilityG > are two factors to take into consideration that weigh in VMS's favor,e. > but they aren't necessarily the whole story.                   ^^^^^^^^^^^   C Well, "necessarily" implies that it *could* be the whole story, andc then it's not pure BS.  ? If it isn't the whole story, then it's only parital BS at most.   ? Yeah, that would be terrible if someone saved a VMS system. ;-)    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmand afeldman gfigroup com    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jul 2002 16:13:59 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: VMS commitments= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207161513.1224b2b9@posting.google.com>.  q prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) wrote in message news:<3d343f04.3252432670@proxy.news.easynews.com>...1C > On 15 Jul 2002 15:33:10 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)R > wrote: > E > >a vms elimination project is always wrong!  There is not one otheraG > >platform right now that can offer the security and stability of VMS!eG > >If you believe otherwise, just name another platform and I'll hammeraF > >you with cert advisories and email's from other posters on comp.???G > >that will make you look like an idiot for even stating the above ...eJ > >and the CEO's at this place stating they don't need disaster tolerance? > >they are just as stupid ... > E > Sorry, but that's pure bullshit.  I agree with you completely about<C > the security and stability aspects of the VMS platform, but there.? > are other considerations that a company may wish to take intot
 > account. > G > As with any business decision, choice of an operating system on which H > to run the business is a matter of trade-offs.  Security and stabilityG > are two factors to take into consideration that weigh in VMS's favor,4. > but they aren't necessarily the whole story. >  > ---------- > Remove 'Z' to reply by email.a  C true, but in my book they're 99% of it ... anything else is trivialeA in nature ... db's, you got two of the best in RDB and Oracle ...t? plenty of 3 and 4 gl cpmpilers for programming ... ecommerce is2= tops w/Apache plus 3 others very reliable web servers at yourcA disposal and java ... clustering second to none ... the best realBB time os, best clustering, best ecommerce, gee, what are we missing@ here?  It doesn't get any better than this, as a matter of fact,: when looking at a replacement for vms, it gets only worse!   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:14:22 GMTe1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>M Subject: Re: VMS commitmentf' Message-ID: <3D34E570.66696D82@fsi.net>t   Bob Ceculski wrote:e > s > prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) wrote in message news:<3d343f04.3252432670@proxy.news.easynews.com>... E > > On 15 Jul 2002 15:33:10 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) 
 > > wrote: > > G > > >a vms elimination project is always wrong!  There is not one otheroI > > >platform right now that can offer the security and stability of VMS!rI > > >If you believe otherwise, just name another platform and I'll hammer H > > >you with cert advisories and email's from other posters on comp.???I > > >that will make you look like an idiot for even stating the above ...3L > > >and the CEO's at this place stating they don't need disaster tolerance?  > > >they are just as stupid ... > >fG > > Sorry, but that's pure bullshit.  I agree with you completely aboutoE > > the security and stability aspects of the VMS platform, but theredA > > are other considerations that a company may wish to take intor > > account. > > I > > As with any business decision, choice of an operating system on whichcJ > > to run the business is a matter of trade-offs.  Security and stabilityI > > are two factors to take into consideration that weigh in VMS's favor, 0 > > but they aren't necessarily the whole story. > >  > > ----------! > > Remove 'Z' to reply by email.s > E > true, but in my book they're 99% of it ... anything else is trivialeC > in nature ... db's, you got two of the best in RDB and Oracle ... A > plenty of 3 and 4 gl cpmpilers for programming ... ecommerce is.? > tops w/Apache plus 3 others very reliable web servers at yourfC > disposal and java ... clustering second to none ... the best realdD > time os, best clustering, best ecommerce, gee, what are we missing > here?   
 Marketing?   Affordability?  
 Applications?a  C A currently marketable, ready-for-prime-time replacement for Alpha?   ; > It doesn't get any better than this, as a matter of fact,9< > when looking at a replacement for vms, it gets only worse!  D ...from a certain perspective that many of us espouse. As far as theD decision makers, bean counters, etc. are concerned, it's no contest: Micro$lop 4, VMS zero!   --   David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:20:00 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e Subject: Re: VMS commitmenti' Message-ID: <3D34E6C3.4F0C8421@fsi.net>r   MULP wrote:  > H > Having been a long time DEC supporter, VMS supporter, Alpha supporter,F > I have to say that the prospects for pretty much everything that DEC > produced is oblivion.v > H > Alpha and VMS will be discussed for ages as "shoulda, coulda", but theD > fact remains that there is no future.  Alpha is already marked forG > delete.  Tru64 is already marked for delete.  Truclusters is, for alla > intents, marked for delete.a > E > Its only a matter of time before VMS is formally marked for delete.h   Well, actually:    Alphacide = SET FILE/REMOVE VMSc  F It's a "lost file". It's still there, and we still have a channel openG to it, but it does not appear in any directory. We're waiting for IntelrG to get it's IPF s**t together so we can recover VMS into [SYSLOST], andn= from there try to get it back to a suitable parent directory..  ' Draw from that what imagery you will...m   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsT http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/V   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:02:30 GMTO* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>1 Subject: Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?rB Message-ID: <a5_Y8.134522$Bt1.7095136@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message@' news:0033000072550252000002L022*@MHS...r  2      Any bets on how long it'll take before we see3      posts from the usual suspects complaining thate*      she didn't display an OpenVMS tattoo?   *** H The advantage being that a (real and conspicuous) tattoo is a relativelyG *permanent* statement, not one tailored to a specific audience and then = dropped where convenient.  But if she's not into body art anykG similarly-conspicuous and on-going evidence of support for VMS would doa
 equally well.e   - bill        :^)        WWWebb-   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETn$ Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:48 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET1 Subject: RE: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?a    ; "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com> wrote in message9, news:RnCY8.20$LV1.625755@news.cpqcorp.net... >wK > Look closely and you will see she is wearing an OpenVMS Ambassadors Shirta    I It's called a 'photo-op'.  I'd be more impressed if I knew she wore it ate head office 3 days per week.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:09:32 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e1 Subject: Re: Who said Carly doesn't like OpenVMS?rK Message-ID: <gY%Y8.110876$WJf1.100352@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>r  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message < news:a5_Y8.134522$Bt1.7095136@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >79 > "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageT) > news:0033000072550252000002L022*@MHS...l > 4 >      Any bets on how long it'll take before we see5 >      posts from the usual suspects complaining that , >      she didn't display an OpenVMS tattoo? >o > *** J > The advantage being that a (real and conspicuous) tattoo is a relativelyI > *permanent* statement, not one tailored to a specific audience and theno? > dropped where convenient.  But if she's not into body art any I > similarly-conspicuous and on-going evidence of support for VMS would doo > equally well.o  $ A permanent tattoo would imply that: a) she really likes VMS.8 b) she's confident in her long-term job prospects at HP.@ c) body piercing probably isn't out of the question either.  ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:46:34 -0700o* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>& Subject: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d348638$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>o   OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist)  L Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass a chimpanzee,F but I'm having difficulty understanding why user account setups are soK difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DATe file:o   UAF> show aldert  . Username: ALDER                         Owner:L Account:  USERS                            UIC:    [200,201] ([USERS,ALDER])< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES  Default:  ACCOUNTS:[USERS.ALDER] LGICMD:e Flags:# Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri + Secondary days:                     Sat SunR No access restrictionsD Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     7> Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)
 (pre-expired)s> Last Login:  8-JUL-2002 08:11 (interactive),            (none) (non-interactive)a9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        64000,9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0s9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       150  JTquota:       4096L9 Prclm:           8  DIOlm:       150  WSdef:         2000i9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         4000d9 Queprio:         4  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     16384l9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:      50000o Authorized Privileges:   NETMBX       TMPMBXh Default Privileges:M   NETMBX       TMPMBX. UAF>  7 and here's the response to a login attempt by the user:a   Username: alder 	 Password:d3 Error activating command interpreter SYS$SYSTEM:DCL:  J Would someone please suggest a way to track down the source of this error? Thanks.u   Alder:   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:30:17 GMTj1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>-* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D34E92F.6F6211A5@fsi.net>l   Alder wrote: >  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist) > N > Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass a chimpanzee,H > but I'm having difficulty understanding why user account setups are soM > difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DATo > file:> >  > UAF> show alder  > 0 > Username: ALDER                         Owner:N > Account:  USERS                            UIC:    [200,201] ([USERS,ALDER])> > CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES" > Default:  ACCOUNTS:[USERS.ALDER]	 > LGICMD:d > Flags:% > Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Frit- > Secondary days:                     Sat Sunc > No access restrictionsF > Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     7@ > Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired) > (pre-expired)m@ > Last Login:  8-JUL-2002 08:11 (interactive),            (none) > (non-interactive)T; > Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        64000t; > Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0.; > Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       150  JTquota:       4096c; > Prclm:           8  DIOlm:       150  WSdef:         2000 ; > Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         4000h; > Queprio:         4  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     16384o; > CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:      50000n > Authorized Privileges: >   NETMBX       TMPMBXn > Default Privileges:m >   NETMBX       TMPMBX1 > UAF> > 9 > and here's the response to a login attempt by the user:n >  > Username: aldere > Password: 5 > Error activating command interpreter SYS$SYSTEM:DCLe > L > Would someone please suggest a way to track down the source of this error?  H I'd start by looking for a system-wide logical name DCL and DEASSIGN it.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.390 ************************ > , >Marvel for Use in the Enterprise System Lab >2G >Two 8P GS1280 Marvel pr _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    	_    
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