1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 19 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 394       Contents:- Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...)  Re: 3100 CDROM compatibility Re: Alpha Processor Inc ???  Re: Alpha Processor Inc ??? ( any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS, RE: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS, RE: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS? Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers) ? Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers) ? Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers) ? Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers) ? Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)  Re: CXX questions  Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: Delete of .bck file 4 Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial4 Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial4 RE: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial4 RE: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial* Re: eXcursions - New windows in task bar!!$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...) Gartner hacked - should have been on VMS! - Re: Gartner hacked - should have been on VMS!  Re: How to kill users  I wanna buy this book... Re: I wanna buy this book... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: MQSeries RE: MQSeries3 Re: need help: ODBC driver for rdb on OpenVMS Alpha 0 Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 article0 Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 article0 Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 article PHIGS - what is it?  Re: PHIGS - what is it?  Re: PHIGS - what is it?  Re: PHIGS - what is it?  Re: PHIGS - what is it?  Re: PHIGS - what is it? / Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMS  Re: SOAP and XML On OpenVMS  Re: SOAP and XML On OpenVMS P Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management ApplP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management ApplP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management ApplP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management ApplP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management ApplP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Appl! Re: TCPIP/UCX Version Information ! Re: TCPIP/UCX Version Information ( Re: test drive the next generation Alpha Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment RE: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment VT520 setup screen Re: VT520 setup screen! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:18:14 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>6 Subject: Re: "Clean" CISC (was Re: McKinley Cometh...), Message-ID: <3D371476.6020305@tsoft-inc.com>   Paul Winalski wrote:  , > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:34:38 +0200, Jan C.A > =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> wrote:  >  > J >>As noted previously, there is a direct comparison available: The NVAX(+)P >>and the 21064 were implemented contemporaneously and in the same semiconductorN >>process. They have a performance difference of about 2, at least as measured >>by SPEC95. >> > G > AFAIK, NVAX wasn't done using the Pentium technique of having a first H > stage that 'compiles' the CISC instructions into a series of RISC-like > G > instructions that are then fed to the rest of the hardware.  It would E > be interesting to see what applying that set of technqiues could do  > for VAX performance.  L An interesting statement.  I was under the rather vague impression that the O N-VAX was based upon RISC techniques internally, and assumed (I hate when I do  K that) that would be the method used, break the CICS instructions down into  ; simpler pieces that would be more friendly to the pipeline.    Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:36:34 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> % Subject: Re: 3100 CDROM compatibility & Message-ID: <3D370AB2.7010906@iee.org>   issinoho wrote:   * > DEC RRD40, slow, first generation CD-ROM > DEC RRD42, 1X  > DEC RRD43  > DEC RRD45  > DEC RRD46  > ? > any reason the RRD44 is not in this list? Will it work with a  > VAXStation 3100?    : I recall using an RRD44 with both a VAXstation 3100-76 and= a VAXstation 4000-90A. No idea if it was officially supported 0 on any of those platforms, but it worked for me.     Antonio    --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:43:50 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: Alpha Processor Inc ???5 Message-ID: <180720021437274291%paul.anderson@hp.com>   B In article <9CyZ8.555$xj6.68140@twister.southeast.rr.com>, Kenneth# Farmer <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote:   F > API NetWorks, Inc. (formerly Alpha Processor, Inc.), founded in JuneG > of 1998, is a privately held company based in Concord, Massachusetts.    API Networks is no more.  =    <http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,141569,00.asp>    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:12:27 GMT 1 From: Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> $ Subject: Re: Alpha Processor Inc ???0 Message-ID: <3D37839F.AB5E2583@yahoo.commercial>   Paul Anderson wrote: >  > API Networks is no more. > ? >    <http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,141569,00.asp>  >  > Paul   Just to add:  . http://www.api-networks.com/about/overview.htm  @ "In April 2002, SiPackets obtained rights to API Networks (API)C products which were exclusively licensed by Alliance Semiconductor.   G "API was the leader in developing high-speed HT IO interconnect ICs and 8 the first company offering ICs embedding HT technology."   --   Ed Wensell IIIE NetBSD/Alpha at home - Solaris/SPARC at work - OpenVMS in a past life A E-mail address is valid if you know the appropriate bits to drop.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 12:40:39 -0700) From: julie.stanley@sbcdo.com (J Stanley) 1 Subject: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS ; Message-ID: <27798a93.0207181140.323cbe@posting.google.com>   C Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMS A exist? I guess I'm really looking for system performance types of F issues. I know with the version Oracle 8.1.7, we really had to ramp up, on CPUs and memory for the upgrade to occur.  	 J Stanley    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:17:06 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>5 Subject: RE: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS - Message-ID: <0033000073082687000002L072*@MHS>   @ =0AThere were two "9i on VMS" whitepapers today at the roadshow.  : I didn't pick up hardcopy; they're s'posed to be on one of the CDs I received.   E Perhaps someone from Compaq or Oracle has them at their fingertips...    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:48 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET1 Subject: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS     C Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMS A exist? I guess I'm really looking for system performance types of F issues. I know with the version Oracle 8.1.7, we really had to ramp up, on CPUs and memory for the upgrade to occur.  
 J Stanley=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:10:29 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660858@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>  G >>> Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMS 	 exist?<<<   C There a number of recent OpenVMS / Oracle 8i/9i related articles in > Metalink. This is Oracle's information system for DBA's on all
 platforms.  
 Reference:> http://www.oracle.com/support/metalink/index.html?content.html  F Most sites with Oracle contracts have Metalink access. If I recall, itG is usually the DBA's in a company that have the username / password for  the entire company.    Some examples:   Doc ID: Note:156484.1 ? Subject: VMS: System tuning recommendations for new 8i/9i RDBMS 
 Installations   Type: BULLETIN Status: PUBLISHED Content Type: TEXT/PLAIN Creation Date: 30-AUG-2001 Last Revision Date: 13-SEP-2001    Doc ID: Note:162738.1 B Subject: How to use Shared Memory with Oracle 8i and 9i on OpenVMS Galaxy5 Content Type: TEXT/PLAIN		Creation Date: 31-OCT- 2001   Last Revision Date: 03-MAY- 2002   Doc ID: Note:162725.1 H Subject: OPS/RAC VMS: Using alternate TCP Interconnects on 8i OPS and 9i RAC on OpenVMS  Type: BULLETIN Status: PUBLISHED Content Type: TEXT/ PLAIN  Creation Date: 31-OCT- 2001   Last Revision Date: 03-MAY- 2002   Doc ID: 180012.1 Modified Date: 28-JUN-2002: Step-By-Step Installation of RAC on Compaq OpenVMS Cluster   Doc ID: Note:163393.1 D Subject: OPS VMS: How to set up Parallel Server on Oracle OpenVMS 8i  Type: BULLETIN Status: PUBLISHED Content Type: TEXT/PLAIN Creation Date: 06-NOV-2001 Last Revision Date: 02-JUL-2002   H Doc ID: Note:159626.1 (this one talks about using OpenVMS DB with latest Oracle Apps on NT/UNIX) C Subject: Oracle Apps 11i Migration - Split Configurations Notes for 
 Alpha OpenVMS   Type: BULLETIN Status: PUBLISHED Content Type: TEXT/PLAIN Creation Date: 03-OCT-2001 Last Revision Date: 23-MAY-2002   G Lots of other OpenVMS / Oracle 8i/9i/Rdb technical information as well.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: WILLIAM WEBB [mailto:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov]=20 Sent: July 18, 2002 4:17 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 Subject: RE: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS       = There were two "9i on VMS" whitepapers today at the roadshow.   : I didn't pick up hardcopy; they're s'posed to be on one of the CDs I received.   E Perhaps someone from Compaq or Oracle has them at their fingertips...    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:48 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET1 Subject: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS     C Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMS A exist? I guess I'm really looking for system performance types of F issues. I know with the version Oracle 8.1.7, we really had to ramp up, on CPUs and memory for the upgrade to occur.  	 J Stanley    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:46:28 GMT 4 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com>H Subject: Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)A Message-ID: <oWEZ8.1492$Qk6.435@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>    CLI good.  GUI bad.   K In my case, I have a requirement  for remote management.  Nothing beats CLI J for remote access.  Telnet and or a modem works reliably.  If the model isI Windows centric & gui that makes remote access more difficult, and with a - properly paranoid netowork team, not allowed.    --   Andy Bustamante ( remove the ascii-95's to reply by e-mail      D "Bradford J. Hamilton" <sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm> wrote in message news:FcgPt3HRvU1U@rabbit...  > Hello, > K > ISTR that when SWCC was first introduced for the HSJ/G80s, that there was  to be L > no CLI interface.  Folks were so upset at the time, and somehow made theirJ > feelings known to COMPAQ in such a way that COMPAQ relented, and allowed CLI  > access to HSJ/G80s.  > I > I made my feelings known to the COMPAQ folks at a StorageWorks event in I > Shrewsbury, MA late last year, regarding lack of CLI access to the HSVs  (others J > in the audience did, as well).  I suspect that the feelings expressed in thisF > thread are indicative of the fact that the majority of potential HSV	 customers & > would like to see CLI access to HSVs > I > So, HP - is there anyone out there who would like to carry this message  back to K > the StorageWorks folks (assuming that a majority here are in agreement) -  that. > we would like to see CLI access to the HSVs? >  > 5 > In article <3D369A94.306A02DF@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews   <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >> > >> Marc Van Dyck wrote:  > >> >F > >> > For all what we have tried, the simplest and most efficient wayE > >> > to control, configure and monitor an HSZ/HSG is still the good G > >> > old serial console, connected to a terminal server and monitored  > >> > by Console Manager. > >> >> > >> > The new HSV, however, won't have a console line anymoreB > >> > (a very bad decision if you ask me) so SWMA will be a must. > >> > >> No serial console???!!! > >> > >> HP: ARE YOU HIGH???!!!  > >>1 > >> WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING???!!!  > >>! > >> ...and where can I get some?  > >>J > >> One thing's for sure - they won't be selling as many of those as they( > >> could if they hadn't screwed it up! > > H > > David, the bad news is the Compaq ENSA stuff was/is moving this way.L > > When this stuff was being introduced, the presenter pointed out that theH > > serial console you see won't be there in the production items, and aJ > > regular contributor to this list, did point out and ask if (due to theK > > fact it's based on a cut-down MS operating system) when a virus hit it, ! > > if data would be unavailable.  > > J > > The answer was, you'd still get to your data, but managing it would be
 > > an issue.  > > J > > Where's the queue for the smoke? I don't currently, but if it's _that_ > > good...  > >  > > --C > > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  > > nclews at csc dot com  > -- > Bradford J. Hamilton' > braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom (home) ' > sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm (work)  > = > "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"  > "Lose the MAPS"  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:53:43 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> H Subject: Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)' Message-ID: <3D377595.5C89CFA4@fsi.net>    "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:  >  > Hello, > Q > ISTR that when SWCC was first introduced for the HSJ/G80s, that there was to be L > no CLI interface.  Folks were so upset at the time, and somehow made theirN > feelings known to COMPAQ in such a way that COMPAQ relented, and allowed CLI > access to HSJ/G80s.  > I > I made my feelings known to the COMPAQ folks at a StorageWorks event in Q > Shrewsbury, MA late last year, regarding lack of CLI access to the HSVs (others O > in the audience did, as well).  I suspect that the feelings expressed in this P > thread are indicative of the fact that the majority of potential HSV customers& > would like to see CLI access to HSVs  F IMO, the point is that the loss if CLI and/or virtual console terminal$ will "break" many sites' procedures.  F A former site of mine has backup procedures that are 100% dependent onE being able to command HSx's from within an OpenVMS batch job to split H mirror-sets. They can't afford the performance degradation of shadow-setH merging (50+ shadow-sets, can't guarantee they'll always mini-merge), soA this was the only way to guarantee that would never happen again.   Q > So, HP - is there anyone out there who would like to carry this message back to P > the StorageWorks folks (assuming that a majority here are in agreement) - that. > we would like to see CLI access to the HSVs?  E For many sites, it's not a question of "would like", it's a matter ofC "*MUST* have"!  @ Screw *THIS* one up, HP, and you can kiss the enterprise storage business good-bye!  < What will *THAT* do to your stock price / bottom-line ???!!!   -- i David J. Dachteran dba DJE SystemsO http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:56:02 GMTW1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>sH Subject: Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)' Message-ID: <3D377622.46B2473F@fsi.net>e   Rob Young wrote: > ] > In article <FcgPt3HRvU1U@rabbit>, sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:u
 > > Hello, > >uS > > ISTR that when SWCC was first introduced for the HSJ/G80s, that there was to belN > > no CLI interface.  Folks were so upset at the time, and somehow made theirP > > feelings known to COMPAQ in such a way that COMPAQ relented, and allowed CLI > > access to HSJ/G80s.n > >iK > > I made my feelings known to the COMPAQ folks at a StorageWorks event iniS > > Shrewsbury, MA late last year, regarding lack of CLI access to the HSVs (others.Q > > in the audience did, as well).  I suspect that the feelings expressed in this R > > thread are indicative of the fact that the majority of potential HSV customers( > > would like to see CLI access to HSVs > >tS > > So, HP - is there anyone out there who would like to carry this message back to R > > the StorageWorks folks (assuming that a majority here are in agreement) - that0 > > we would like to see CLI access to the HSVs? > >2 > % >         That was then, this is now.a > G >         As long as the scripting tool works, I'm fine.  How bout you?h  ; As long as it works from within an OpenVMS batch job, sure.   E You remember VMS, right? ...kind of what this newsgroup is all about?    -- O David J. DachteraM dba DJE SystemsX http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 02 06:35:32 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) H Subject: Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)) Message-ID: <H6lTFXtyz63n@elias.decus.ch>g  [ In article <3D377595.5C89CFA4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:o >> u	 >> Hello,e >> rR >> ISTR that when SWCC was first introduced for the HSJ/G80s, that there was to beM >> no CLI interface.  Folks were so upset at the time, and somehow made their O >> feelings known to COMPAQ in such a way that COMPAQ relented, and allowed CLIo >> access to HSJ/G80s. >>  J >> I made my feelings known to the COMPAQ folks at a StorageWorks event inR >> Shrewsbury, MA late last year, regarding lack of CLI access to the HSVs (othersP >> in the audience did, as well).  I suspect that the feelings expressed in thisQ >> thread are indicative of the fact that the majority of potential HSV customerse' >> would like to see CLI access to HSVs  > H > IMO, the point is that the loss if CLI and/or virtual console terminal& > will "break" many sites' procedures. >,  K It's a long time since I visited SWCC. My main grouse initially was that it:N provided no way to give hard copy listings of your disk configuration. Not tooB bad with half a dozen disks, but with several hundred, unworkable.  D The final grouse was that SWCC used to grab controllers (I'm talkingL 3-4 years ago and HSJ/HSZ stuff) so that the hardware engineers couldn't useO the serial console line on them. Our server rooms were 15 minutes walk away, so M we did not have a hardware guy saying "Hello, as requested I am here to  looktI at your disks", he simply turned up and started the job. Something the PCh& mentality does not seem to understand.  tM I simply deleted SWCC from all my systems, in spite of the official line thattE it was the only supported way to go. If it came to HSZTERM or the HSJeK equivalent failing to work, then it was back to using terminal servers into = the serial lines. Fortunately we have not had to do that yet.e __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:55:39 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>bH Subject: Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)= Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0207182153080.13768-100000@jaipur>-  - On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, David J. Dachtera wrote:rH > A former site of mine has backup procedures that are 100% dependent onG > being able to command HSx's from within an OpenVMS batch job to split J > mirror-sets. They can't afford the performance degradation of shadow-setJ > merging (50+ shadow-sets, can't guarantee they'll always mini-merge), soC > this was the only way to guarantee that would never happen again.i    B Of course, if you actually used an HSV, you wouldn't have to splitH mirrorsets because you could probably use the "instant" snapshot feature? of the product.  You wouldn't have to wait for mirrorsets to be  reconstructed.  H But then you'd have to be able to somehow trigger that from a batch job. So it's a similar problem.   -Ryane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:09:13 +020032 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: CXX questions; Message-ID: <3d371259.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   2 Duane Smith (Duane.Smith@nospam.compaq.com) wrote:I > The following modified source compiles cleanly because the compiler canM/ > increment through the pointers to the arrays.< >p > $ cxx net.cxxh > $ type net.cxx > int main() { >  >   int arr1[10],arr2[10],i,j; >   int *a1ptr = &arr1[0]; >   int *a2ptr = &arr2[0]; >- >   for(i=0; i<10; i++) {  >     arr2[i] = i; >     arr1[i] = i-10;  >   }e >I >   while(*a1ptr++ = *a2ptr++);   I But this only copies arr2[0] to arr1[0] !?  The only place I've seen thismJ construct is to copy strings. Perhaps we'd better do it the old-fashioned, unelegant, but solid way     for (i=0; i<10; i+++)a     arr1[i] = arr2[i];  
 >   return 0;/ > }a   cu,o   Martin -- vA                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmero. Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/n5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.dep   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:22:00 -0400A5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>t Subject: Re: DCL Questiona2 Message-ID: <8Oo2PZLy0RhY9eiMyJGE6zL5MURk@4ax.com>  & Include one of the following commands:   $ On Error Then Continue  
 $ Set Noon   David R. Beattyl  ? On 18 Jul 2002 09:05:06 -0700, jcho888@yahoo.com (James) wrote:D  D >Is possible to write a DCL batch file so when ever you encounter an5 >error, just resume to the next command and continue?s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:33:39 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>o Subject: Re: DCL Questiony' Message-ID: <3D3770E3.5A16A14A@fsi.net>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:- > < > Yes, and why (to be consistent with the rest of DCL) there# > wasn't any SET NONOON command :-)a  4 I would think because of teh same reason why we have   $ SUBMIT/NOTIFY0 $ PRINT/NOTIFY   ...but do not have...V  
 $ SUBMIT/TIFYo $ PRINT/TIFY   ;-)    -- n David J. Dachtera; dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:01:31 -0400b& From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com> Subject: Re: DCL Question < Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718220030.0381ed28@pop.rcn.com>  ' At 01:33 AM 7/19/2002 +0000, you wrote:  >Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > >e> > > Yes, and why (to be consistent with the rest of DCL) there% > > wasn't any SET NONOON command :-)e >p5 >I would think because of teh same reason why we havee >a >$ SUBMIT/NOTIFY >$ PRINT/NOTIFYo >f >...but do not have... >  >$ SUBMIT/TIFY
 >$ PRINT/TIFY-  L With thanks to Tom Speake and his "tify" and "no tify"  VMS Magic session=20 quite a few years back.:   Ken Robinson   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 02 05:37:25 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture). Subject: Re: DCL Questionw) Message-ID: <1hCrB5sfuTKR@elias.decus.ch>   _ In article <43c45dcb.0207180805.49ffcb84@posting.google.com>, jcho888@yahoo.com (James) writes:iE > Is possible to write a DCL batch file so when ever you encounter an 6 > error, just resume to the next command and continue?  
 $ SET NOON  , But you do need to check commands for errors __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 16:33:21 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)  Subject: Re: Delete of .bck file= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0207181533.3f89f3da@posting.google.com>a  ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D361606.83FDBFBC@fsi.net>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > d > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D34E705.79EDC4AE@fsi.net>... > > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > > >Cb > > > > p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) wrote in message news:<UcL+w4UD3grp@elias.decus.ch>...h > > > > > In article <3D331174.23335CC9@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:N > > > > > > I have five *.bck files on one DLT 40/TAPE. The name of the file IM > > > > > > want to delete off the tape is called us15jul02.bck. What commandC > > > > > > would I use? > > > > > >oU > > > > > You can't. Simple as that. Tapes are serial devices - think about trying toeV > > > > > delete a TV program from a VCR tape or a music track from an audio cassette. > > > >  > > > > Why is this hard?D > > > >9* > > > > 1. Time how long the selection is. > > > >e8 > > > > 2. Cue the tape to the beginning of the program. > > > >SA > > > > 3. Set your VCR to line or if audio provide silent input.u > > > >HS > > > > 4. Record for the duration of the selection using the time found in step 1.2 > > > 1 > > > That's not "DELETE", that's "COPY/OVERLAY".i > > * > > Actually, it's more like DELETE/ERASE. > I > Well, no, not really. DELETE implies that resources are released, whichoJ > is not true in the case, unless you consider that a program shorter than8 > the one you just wiped could be recorded in its place.    E Well, you *can* record such a program; therefore, it is a DELETE. But D you have to be more careful than usual, of course. Additionally, theE entire tape is always "released" in that you can always simply recordcF over the whole tape. (I know, unless you write-protect it, of course.)    # > > It would be COPY/OVERLAY if you ( > > recorded a new program over the old. > D > But, you did! You recorded (undefined video plus) no audio over an > existing program.      That's called erasing.    7 > The technical term is an "assemble edit"; there is no F > continuity of the control track from BOT to EOT. If you replaced theJ > existing frames with video black and replaced the audio track(s) leaving; > the control track intact, that would be an "insert edit".w      OK, then it's EDIT/ASSEMBLE! :-)     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanr afeldman gfigroup com    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 12:24:12 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial(= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207181124.4bb916b4@posting.google.com>$  g "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<ah6i8h$51l$1@web1.cup.hp.com>...  > Dear Newsgroup,  > N > I have just received a PDF file of a Commerzbank testimonial regarding 9/11. > 1 > Warren will be posting this (knowing Warren) one4 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/success-stories.html > K > Here is part of it.  If you need the pdf file prior to the posting on they > web site just send me mail.H >  > Warm Regards,m > Suer > < > Zero downtime is why the bank has run its critical systems2 > on the OpenVMS operating system since the 1980s.5 > According to Batan, "OpenVMS is the most secure ande6 > reliable operating system we have ever experienced."= > Like most enterprises today, Commerzbank has a multi-vendore/ > computing environment. However, the bank runs 7 > its most critical banking applications on AlphaServerg5 > GS160 platforms. These applications include a moneyr: > transfer system responsible for the bank's connection to6 > the Federal Reserve and the New York Clearing House,: > a trading system, a banking system that handles internal< > banking requirements, a letter of credit system, a futures7 > and options system, and much more - all running underw6 > OpenVMS. The bank uses StorageWorks systems to store< > an impressive 2 terabytes of data utilizing RAID 0, RAID 16 > and RAID 5 technology in a SAN environment. HP fibre) > switches are utilized to form the SANs.D  9 > To ensure constant uptime, the bank has one AlphaServer 8 > GS160 system at its primary site in downtown Manhattan8 > and another at its remote site, which is 30 miles away8 > in Rye, New York. Also at the remote site is a pair of9 > AlphaServer 4100 systems. These servers are part of the : > OpenVMS cluster at the primary site, and their only role= > is to serve the remote drives to the primary location usingn4 > Mass Storage Control Program (MSCP), a part of the6 > OpenVMS operating system. The disk drives are either; > RAID configured or mirrored at local and remote sites, as  > well as volume shadowed.  7 > Batan says, "Because of OpenVMS wide-area clustering, 8 > the storage at our remote site is always available and > updated in real time." > surviving the meltdown/ > Boensch explains what happened to the bank ond; > September 11. "From a technology point of view, the firsth9 > thing we lost was our communication link to the Federalu; > Reserve and the New York Clearing House. One of our staffp> > switched the links to our remote site. Since our AlphaServer: > GS160 system at our primary site was running, we started6 > to receive payment messages from the Federal Reserve4 > Bank of New York and the New York Clearing House."  A hear that Andrew, all with 4 alphas with a few chips each and theiB best clustering around ... with any other platform the above wouldA be impossible ... that's why I always say, an app is only as goodC@ as the os it runs on ... if your os is down, so is your app, and? so are you, and so is your profits, and so is your stock price!t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:50:33 -0400i From: <rob@netcarrier.net>= Subject: Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial-9 Message-ID: <J1FZ8.462$HG6.411158592@news.netcarrier.net>   5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagec7 news:d7791aa1.0207181124.4bb916b4@posting.google.com...tB > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& news:<ah6i8h$51l$1@web1.cup.hp.com>... > > Dear Newsgroup,  > >   C > hear that Andrew, all with 4 alphas with a few chips each and the D > best clustering around ... with any other platform the above wouldC > be impossible ... that's why I always say, an app is only as good B > as the os it runs on ... if your os is down, so is your app, andA > so are you, and so is your profits, and so is your stock price!r    L      mmmmm Really seems to have helped Digital and Compaq'a stock  .........   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:04:35 -0500f/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>o= Subject: RE: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonialiT Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C696@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  E Interestingly enough the Compaq Success Stories web site reports thatd4 Commerzbank is using Tru64 for its database servers.   Full story is at:iI <http://www.success-stories.compaq.com/cgi-bin/cssextusr/s=display/i=438>t  # Here's an excerpt from the article.n What makes it work:n
 Products: ? Two AlphaServerTM 8400 systems running Tru64TM UNIX with Compaqn( StorageWorksTM, and an Oracle8 database 3 An AlphaServerTM 4100 as a standby recovery system     EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**      > -----Original Message-----6 > From: rob@netcarrier.net [mailto:rob@netcarrier.net]' > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:51 PMe > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com,? > Subject: Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonialh >  >  > 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagea9 > news:d7791aa1.0207181124.4bb916b4@posting.google.com... D > > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message( > news:<ah6i8h$51l$1@web1.cup.hp.com>... > > > Dear Newsgroup,2 > > >0 > E > > hear that Andrew, all with 4 alphas with a few chips each and theIF > > best clustering around ... with any other platform the above wouldE > > be impossible ... that's why I always say, an app is only as good3D > > as the os it runs on ... if your os is down, so is your app, andC > > so are you, and so is your profits, and so is your stock price!f >  > > >      mmmmm Really seems to have helped Digital and Compaq'a  > stock  ......... >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:30:10 -0400r* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>= Subject: RE: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimoniala- Message-ID: <0033000073084675000002L052*@MHS>l   =0AEd-   Warren's not *that* fast.c  - The article to which you refer is dated 1999.,  & They seem to have upgraded since then-  ( This one is dated July 2002 and entitled   "hp AlphaServer technology helps Commerzbank tolerate disaster on 9/11"e  3 OpenVMS and GS160s are mentioned on the front page.e  0 "Because of the intense heat in our data center,7 all systems crashed except for our AlphaServer GS160...y1 OpenVMS wide-area clustering and volume-shadowingo2 technology kept our primary system running off the) drives at our remote site 30 miles away."s  / It's everything you'd want to see in an OpenVMSo promotional piece.  ' Kudos to whoever put this one together.b   (Hurry up, Warren!)r   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETb% Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:10 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET= Subject: RE: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial6    E Interestingly enough the Compaq Success Stories web site reports thata4 Commerzbank is using Tru64 for its database servers.   Full story is at:tJ <http://www.success-stories.compaq.com/cgi-bin/cssextusr/s=3Ddisplay/i=3D= 438>  # Here's an excerpt from the article.  What makes it work:"	 Products:>? Two AlphaServerTM 8400 systems running Tru64TM UNIX with Compaq ' StorageWorksTM, and an Oracle8 database>2 An AlphaServerTM 4100 as a standby recovery system   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**A     > -----Original Message-----6 > From: rob@netcarrier.net [mailto:rob@netcarrier.net]' > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 2:51 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms? > Subject: Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonialh >u >n >d7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messageh9 > news:d7791aa1.0207181124.4bb916b4@posting.google.com...oD > > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message( > news:<ah6i8h$51l$1@web1.cup.hp.com>... > > > Dear Newsgroup,l > > >n > E > > hear that Andrew, all with 4 alphas with a few chips each and thevF > > best clustering around ... with any other platform the above wouldE > > be impossible ... that's why I always say, an app is only as goodlD > > as the os it runs on ... if your os is down, so is your app, andC > > so are you, and so is your profits, and so is your stock price!g >n >S= >      mmmmm Really seems to have helped Digital and Compaq'ae > stock  ......... >e >=   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:24:03 GMTe- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>l3 Subject: Re: eXcursions - New windows in task bar!! * Message-ID: <3D3781F8.5000908@qsl.network>   Michael Austin wrote:t > DLWHITE wrote: >  >>Greetings All!J >>After searching the globe, I turn to you all! Is there a  way to have an >>eXcursion window either 9 >>    1. open behind an application window that calls it?s( >>    2. open minimized on the task bar?  I It depends on the application on the host.  Typically an application has  < a resource setting file somewhere that can make suggestions.  3 It also depends on the X-Server and Window Manager.g  H The application passes "HINTS" to the X-Server and Window Manager as to G how to display the output.  The X-Server and Window Manager may or may i not honor the hints.  1 This may or may not be a setting in the X-Server.p  F So you need to test your application with various X-Servers to verify  that it works correctly.  & Most combinations will work correctly.  C I have found some where I needed to display a screen at a specific eH location, and some models of X-11 emulators would not honor the request.  I In this case, of the PC based X-11 servers tried, Excursion was the only yG one that correctly displayed the application.  The rest assumed that I oH wanted the window centered on the screen, so that it covered up another  more critical display.  D >>I thank any and all who have taken the time  to read of my dismay! >>  E > I was under the impression that is a function of the Window Manager-E > (DECW or Motif) appplication,  not excursion.  Excursion is just an  > X-Windows emulator.e  F I think that Excursion can use a local window manager, which is a lot 3 more efficient than putting the burden on the host.D   -Johnh wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:34:10 GMTh5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>h- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications... 2 Message-ID: <6DFZ8.38$%w3.755855@news.cpqcorp.net>   Paul Winalski wrote in message0 <3d21d4b8.2045632984@proxy.news.easynews.com>...5 >On Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:31:39 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"2  ><terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote: >[ >>/ >>"Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messages1 >>news:afk7bf$f4squ$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de...  >>>l3 >>> Are we going to see VMS on IA32 after all then?  >>J >>Hardly, since it's a 64-bit operating environment. You can, however, run0 >>VAX/VMS on IA32 via the Charon-VAX translator. >SC >VMS is NOT a 64-bit environment.  It's a 32-bit environment with ao: >few 64-bit extensions.  As are the IA32-based NT variants >such as Win2K and WinXP.| >mA >The biggest barriers to putting VMS on IA32 would be developmentaB >of a MACRO-32 compiler targeting IA32 and device drivers for IA32D >peripherals.  The former isn't all that big a job since GEM already >targets IA32. >LF >There are really no technical problems, just business ones.  Digital,> >Compaq, and now HP are running VMS as a cash cow.  They don't@ >care about growing the VMS market, just extracting $$$ from theB >installed base.  Retargeting to IA32 would be a major engineeringB >investment with dubious payback prospects.  If you believe in the >future of Itanium, of course. >2  J Not exactly true.  There are technical issues with IA32.  In addition, theK "portable" work was done for the 64-bit code base, and not the 32-bit base.oF Nor do I agree that it is a 32-bit OS with 64-bit extensions.  It doesL emulate a 32-bit environment on a 64-bit platform for compatability reasons,K but pretty much all useful or interesting 64-bit things can be done withoute! a problem - if the user needs it.Y   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:44:50 GMT.5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>/- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...-2 Message-ID: <6NFZ8.39$uw3.728082@news.cpqcorp.net>  J HAL was a computer in a science fiction novel, and a software layer in NT.  I IA32 has baggage it has carried since it's first emergence from the mud -0E BIOS.  IA64 is ditching that baggage.  It is doing this by creating awC standard firmware framework.  EFI is the console, PAL abstracts theNB processor, and SAL abstracts the system.  But the central softwareE abstraction is ACPI - something originally designed for laptopm powerhL management, which now also provides the mechanism to discover the devices on a system, and manage them.  K I believe that the HP IA64 systems will be very price competetive.  But our-I engineering goal is to be able to boot on any Itanium-2 (or later) systemhK with ACPI V2.0 or better.  That does *not* address the *business* issues ofeH licensing VMS to run on 3rd party hardware, and support for the systems. That is TBD.       Fabio Cardoso wrote in message7 <20020701134807.37633.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>... ' >I really would like to know if we willd1 >run OpenVMS under other Itanium branded machinesk2 >like Dell for example ! I would like to buy a one/ >processor server :-))) but Compaq (i.e. HP) is20 >too expensive ....  I would like to know if the. >Itanium architecture will be the same between0 >all the brands. If we can run HP-UX in a Dells >server.  >How is the HAL portability ???? >. >p >Regards >r >FCn7 >--- "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:F4 >> Probability factor (er, likelihood) that VMS will >> boot on IPF in 1H02: 0.015 >> Likelihood that VMS will boot on IPF in 2H02: 0.99F6 >> Likelihood that SRI-supplied Alpha-->IPF VMS binary >> translator will support >> PL/1 apps: 036 >> Likelihood that VMS will end up being more portable >> (to other architectures)u  >> as a result of IPF port: 0.99 >> >> >> --  >> Terry C. Shannonc >> Consultant and Publisherh >> Shannon Knows HPC% >> PLEASE NOTE MY *NEW* EMAIL ADDRESS   >> email: terryshannon@attbi.com7 >> Web (info on SKHPC):  www.openvms.org, www.tru64.orgo >> >> >m >  >===== >==========================h >Fbio dos Santos Cardoso  >OpenVMS System Managerr >Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br. >==========================i >a3 >__________________________________________________n >Do You Yahoo!? 1 >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cupa >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:02:46 +0100r# From: David Webb <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk>s- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...h& Message-ID: <3D373B06.40106@mdx.ac.uk>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  L > HAL was a computer in a science fiction novel, and a software layer in NT. >     E Finally an explanation for the BSOD on NT. HAL is trying to kill its   users :)      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 02 06:07:17 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)u- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...s) Message-ID: <G9jqAOiEsdU3@elias.decus.ch>i  L In article <3D373B06.40106@mdx.ac.uk>, David Webb <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk> writes: >  >  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M >> HAL was a computer in a science fiction novel, and a software layer in NT.o >> ( >  > G > Finally an explanation for the BSOD on NT. HAL is trying to kill its r
 > users :) > $ Sorry, I can't let you do that Dave.   :-)    __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 18:25:09 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: Gartner hacked - should have been on VMS!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207181725.33caa656@posting.google.com>   
 May 13, 2002  & Hackers Attack Public, Private Sectors By  Dennis Fisher   > A crew of hackers who claim an interest in protecting nationalB security remained at large last week after a round of high-profileD defacements that included government and bank Web sites as well as a site belonging to Gartner Inc.  > The Deceptive Duo early this month hit the Stamford, Conn., ITF research company's site, mocking the kind of pronouncements with which7 Gartner and other research companies make their living..  F "Many recent cyber-attacks could have been avoided if enterprises wereC more focused on their security efforts, but users seem not to learnoA from their mistakes," read a line atop the defaced site, which iseD attributed to Richard Mogull, a Gartner analyst. The line appears toF be taken from a United Kingdom trade publication paraphrasing Mogull's conclusions in a recent report.o  E The Gartner hack marked a rare departure for the Deceptive Duo, whichhB primarily targets U.S. government and financial sites as part of aC campaign that the hackers say is aimed at alerting officials to the : inherent vulnerability of the country's IT infrastructure.  D Earlier in the week, the crew posted a lengthy portion of a database> apparently taken from a U.S. Geological Survey computer, whichF included employees' full names and passport numbers, as well as a bankC database that shows names, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, accounte< numbers, partial home addresses and Social Security numbers.  E In addition, the Deceptive Duo recently hit the National Institute ofp> Standards and Technology, Sandia National Laboratories and theE California Department of Transportation, as well as more than a dozenoE banks, according to a list maintained by Zone-H. org, a security siteS that mirrors Web defacements.r  @ Attacks against government sites are certainly nothing new. But,C historically, many of the defacements of U.S. government sites havesE been the work of foreign attackers with an ax to grind about American F policies or actions abroad. A U.S.-based crew going after high-profile U.S. sites is rare.o  F The pair identify themselves as "two U.S. citizens that understand howD sad our country's cyber-security really is" and say their mission isE to "locate and scan critical cyber-components of the United States ofuF America for vulnerabilities creating a foreign threat, while remaining undetected."  A The message left on the defaced sites warns Web site operators to"= "tighten the security before a foreign attack forces you to."   D Contacted by e-mail, the Deceptive Duo said they will continue their< attacks as long as critical federal sites remain vulnerable.  > "We have received a positive response. We have seen the systemE administrators increase the security of the servers that we targeted.yB We are receiving thanks from employees at the government and otherB system administrators," they said. "We work closely with those who? e-mail us for help, we cooperate fully with themotherwise, ourh mission would be incomplete.  F "With our defacements, we hope to show our nation that we are still inE a vulnerable state. We are not only forcing the system administratorstF of our targets to take stronger action with their security, but we areE also showing the people who witness this that they must act as well."-   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 02 06:17:22 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)a6 Subject: Re: Gartner hacked - should have been on VMS!) Message-ID: <vSAO3R9xyu2m@elias.decus.ch>C  h In article <d7791aa1.0207181725.33caa656@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > May 13, 2002  ( > Hackers Attack Public, Private Sectors > By  Dennis Fisher  > @ > A crew of hackers who claim an interest in protecting nationalD > security remained at large last week after a round of high-profileF > defacements that included government and bank Web sites as well as a  > site belonging to Gartner Inc. > @ > The Deceptive Duo early this month hit the Stamford, Conn., ITH > research company's site, mocking the kind of pronouncements with which9 > Gartner and other research companies make their living.t
   ^^^^^^^   N Well, I cannot in any way condone hackers, but I have to laugh at their choice of target there :-)    >  __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandy   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:26:57 GMTe4 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: How to kill usersA Message-ID: <lwFZ8.1599$Qk6.113@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>a  % There are many options available, seetB http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/index.html for suggestions   --   Andy Bustamanter( remove the ascii-95's to reply by e-mail      @ "Tadimeti Keshav" <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message: news:20020717032922.23395.qmail@web21008.mail.yahoo.com... > Hello all,7 > I would like to kill users who refuse to log out even  > after I notify them. >p > How can I do this? >l > Thanks & regards > Kesav* > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?- > Everything you'll ever need on one web page0/ > from News and Sport to Email and Music Chartsc > http://uk.my.yahoo.com >O   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 18:11:29 -0700- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)7! Subject: I wanna buy this book....= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0207181711.62576ddf@posting.google.com>n   I want buy this book:5  =  - WRITING VAX/VMS APPLICATIONS USING PASCAL - THEOS DE KLERK   < Im looking for this book, but I cant find in book stores..< New or old book (used). Where I can get it ? I can pay with ) international Mastercard (using paypall).w  I Thanks in advance...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:00:24 GMTu From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..como% Subject: Re: I wanna buy this book...p8 Message-ID: <usveju420lvrvfoavne6l1f6erqs8l1oaq@4ax.com>  F On 18 Jul 2002 18:11:29 -0700, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) wrote:   >I want buy this book:> > - WRITING VAX/VMS APPLICATIONS USING PASCAL - THEOS DE KLERK= >Im looking for this book, but I cant find in book stores..e= >New or old book (used). Where I can get it ? I can pay with n* >international Mastercard (using paypall). >Thanks in advance...9  $ Try searching on Amazon.com by ISBN, 1-5558-067-X    ! I believe it is out of print, buth) you may still be able to get a new copy,   but if not. perhaps used?e  $ (the following URL should be 1-line)  2 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/155558067X/ qid%3D1027047274/sr%3D11-1/r5 ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-9246366-2220958#product-detailse   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:34:00 -0700r- From: "Max Domeika" <Max.J.Domeika@intel.com>l Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...'* Message-ID: <ah706r$68u@news.or.intel.com>  I I actually had a hand in writing the art benchmark and this post hits theWL nail on the head.  For this neural net simulation, an array of structures isC the more natural choice when it comes to conceptualizing the model,aI extensibility in a university setting, etc.  Performance-wise we all knowzI the answer.  My question is why shouldn't the compiler be able to do thissE optimization for the customer?  I think if Sun is able to perform thet7 optimization safely, they have pulled off quite a feat.-   Max.  A "Thomas Womack" <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in messagee- news:BXx*sc8sp@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...rG > In article <3d2efeda$1@news.meer.net>, Greg Lindahl <lindahl@pbm.com>  wrote:6 > >In article <3Zh*0P7sp@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,9 > >Thomas Womack  <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:r > G > >> This is the same as the array-of-structures vs structure-of-arrays-G > >> issue for vectorisation on the P4, which means I *would* expect atrH > >> least Intel to get round to implementing it eventually; it's fairlyC > >> widely applicable in 3D graphics, for instance (ah, unless theb? > >> graphics card wants to be given a pointer to the array-of-a > >> structures).b >oH > >Given the enormous number of restrictions, "fairly widely applicable"F > >isn't true: the odds of a user program triggering this optimization= > >without the programmer intentionally aiming at it is zero.  >hC > But, if it's there, I'd be rather tempted to aim at it; arrays oftF > structures feel *much* more natural objects to me than structures of? > arrays. I wonder if the C++ vector<> could be convinced to dorE > something similar; it looks to me as if its interface doesn't implysH > that it doesn't repack structures internally. I think it would have toF > be done on the compiler level rather than in an implementation as .h > files. >-D > > It's the kind of thing that anyone with a clue would rewrite theD > > source for, which is one of McCalpin's complaints about the SPEC > > process. >DF > Certainly that would be true for really large-scale simulations; butC > it seems the sort of rewrite which would uglify the source a fairuH > amount, so not something you'd do in a university-like "let's see what- > we can simulate interestingly" environment.  > G > Or would it be an automatic optimisation if I were writing Fortran95?t >h > > greg >l >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:13:31 +0200i, From: Toon Moene <toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh... 4 Message-ID: <3D37135B.7E179EF6@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>   Max Domeika wrote:  > > My question is why shouldn't the compiler be able to do thisG > optimization for the customer?  I think if Sun is able to perform theu9 > optimization safely, they have pulled off quite a feat.r  F Isn't the answer to this question given by the last subsentence: "they pulled off quite a feat" ?  G Either SPEC consists of codes that are obvious (to those skilled in the1E art) to optimize, or it'll degenerate into a war of compiler jockeys.e  I If we want to keep SPEC as a measurement of system performance, we shouldt+ try to avoid running into the latter "war".a   -- eG Toon Moene - mailto:toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl - phoneto: +31 346 214290i6 Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG  Maartensdijk, The NetherlandsG Maintainer, GNU Fortran 77: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/g77_news.htmlaE Join GNU Fortran 95: http://g95.sourceforge.net/ (under construction)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:37:49 +0100c# From: David Webb <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...t( Message-ID: <3D37352D.9050005@mdx.ac.uk>   r.oxbrow wrote:t  N >   NEC Japan have announced their Itanium 2 server boxes, TX7 a few days ago, > / > 	http://www.nec.co.jp/press/ja/0207/0901.htmlo > Q >   They scale between 8-32 CPUs, 16GB-128GB of ram, running  linux or HP-UX 11i.F > G >   They have  Linpack HPC benchmark of 101 GFlops for a full 32 cpus..b( >   Shipping date Aug 2002 for 32CPUs..  >  >   richard0 >     G But according to the register NEC's chief architect doesn't think much > of Itanic  see  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/26248.html@  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:32:34 -0700n, From: "Chris Ruemmler" <ruemmler@cup.hp.com> Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh... , Message-ID: <ah7jbp$du3$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>  8 "Max Domeika" <Max.J.Domeika@intel.com> wrote in message$ news:ah706r$68u@news.or.intel.com...K > I actually had a hand in writing the art benchmark and this post hits theoK > nail on the head.  For this neural net simulation, an array of structuresp isE > the more natural choice when it comes to conceptualizing the model,sK > extensibility in a university setting, etc.  Performance-wise we all knowiK > the answer.  My question is why shouldn't the compiler be able to do thisbG > optimization for the customer?  I think if Sun is able to perform the.9 > optimization safely, they have pulled off quite a feat.m >   K There is a basic problem with doing this optimization in a language such ascB C that allows pretty much unrestricted use of pointers.  Given the optimizationI rearranges memory, the optimization cannot be done if there is any chancei thatG the memory will be accessed in some way that the compiler does not knows about.G In C, it is very difficult to track all ways to get to a given piece ofu memory, so if the compilerJ is unsure, it would need to punt and not do the optimization.  This is the "safety" issue you talk about.  C Unfortunately, in C, doing this type of optimization safely is verye difficult, thusrL many things disable the optimization.  I mentioned earlier that using "free"J to deallocate the memory causes the optimization to not be enabled.  Also,F the optimization won't be enabled if the code is either contained in aI shared library or shared libraries are linked against the binary with theb5 code.  The optimization needs to be disabled in thesewF cases because external code could be trying to access the structure inF the "normal" or unoptimized way and would then fail.  If there are anyF potential aliases to the memory being optimized, the optimization alsoE can't be done.  Thus, it can't be done if the address of the variable K pointing to the memory is taken or if the variable is passed to a function.tE Also, in Sun's case, the optimization only works for malloc'ed memory > and not for a data structure allocated statically in the code.  G The art code is only 1270 lines including comments, so it is not a veryeC complex program.  Given it is relatively simple, it is able to passtC all of the requirements for being able to perform the optimization. > Put the code in a shared library, and the optimization will beF immediately disabled.  There is no way to ever enable the optimizationJ in this case.  For reasons like this, it is much better specifically writeC the code for performance (if performance is a concern) than to rely B totally on the compiler to optimize the code.  Any good programmer: works with the compiler to get the most out of their code.   --Chris- My own views   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 12:30:51 -0700- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell)  Subject: Re: MQSeriest= Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0207181130.1af30f48@posting.google.com>p  B I think it is a mixed bag.  I would recommend looking into another; product like MessageQ or RTR if this is a business critical = application with a serious revenue stream associated with it.    Our experiences:  B We purchased 5.1, so we upgraded to 7.3 on one development and one production node.  C Managing the security is non-dynamic.  You have to stop and restart D the server everytime you add an account with the right's identifier.  * OpenVMS monitoring tools are non-existent.  D When we had a hard crash the queues were corrupted.  The fix utilityC did not fix the problem.  We had to delete and recreate the queues,_ losing all transactions.  F It seems to be a resource hog, affecting smaller systems.  We think itF causes our AlphaServer 4100 crashes by creating too much IO on a cheapE configuration.  The development node is a 4100 with four CPUs, 512MB,.@ and several BA-356 shelves hanging off of some SWXCRs.  There isE enough resources on the ES40 with four CPUs, 2 GB, and ESA12000/HSZ80p& that it does not seem to be a problem.  C The API is straight forward and easy to implement (we do it in C). .E With the performance we have on a near dedicated ES40, we flooded ourt business partner.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:47:45 -04000' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>( Subject: RE: MQSeriesRT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660859@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Jacob,  H >>> We are going to try using MQSeries in order to connect our large VMSC AXP installation to the new EAI Infrastructure, based on Seebeyondsn 'e*gate',<<<  G Another option that might be a tad cheaper and is based on new industry F standard J2EE messaging standards (i.e. not a "proprietary" standard),3 is to use the JMS based product from SpiritSoft.=20n  F I suspect that you will find that eGate (like MQ Series and most otherG eWhatever products today) now supports the J2EE JMS messaging standard.d  
 Reference:8 http://www.spiritsoft.com/news/pressreleases.asp?id=3D24  F "SpiritSoft Achieves OpenVMS Certification "SpiritWave enables OpenVMS= customers to develop Java-based enterprise messaging systems"o Boston, June 12, 2002i  A SpiritSoft today announced the certification of its JMS messagingeG integration product, SpiritWave Message Server, on the Hewlett- PackardiC OpenVMS platform. SpiritWave provides OpenVMS customers with a J2EEfF messaging architecture, allowing Java- based messaging applications to be built on OpenVMS.  < SpiritWave Message Server provides an advanced multi-clusterG architecture to deliver against demanding enterprise applications whered? there is no room for error. Additionally, SpiritWave provides aeF standards-based solution to which customers can migrate their existing; applications from proprietary and legacy messaging systems.t  H Certified on Java 2 Platform, Enterprise Edition (J2EE ), Version 1.3.1,H SpiritWave fully supports the latest Java platform specification and XMLA processing for integrating legacy applications, databases and WebaE services over the Internet. SpiritWave enables easier integration andr< development of distributed systems to allow dynamic businessG interactions across diverse applications and devices. The platform alsor? provides a set of peripheral functionality not offered by othery$ implementations of the JMS standard.  G Mark Gorham, Vice President of the HP OpenVMS Software Group, said, "HPeG is pleased to be able to offer SpiritSoft's J2EE messaging environment,sH SpiritWave, to our OpenVMS operating system customers. SpiritSoft bringsB the most modern messaging architecture to OpenVMS, building on theB qualities of reliability, fault tolerance and scalability that our platform is known for."   @ SpiritWave certification on OpenVMS also means that HP's OpenVMSE customers can leverage SpiritSoft's full suite of messaging products,tH including SpiritCache, the only commercially available implementation ofE the JCache standard. SpiritCache is a networked, hierarchical cachingwD mechanism used for both dynamic and static data caching. SpiritCacheH directly addresses the issues associated with distributed systems. These= include latency, bandwidth usage and performance bottlenecks. H Enterprises that have implemented SpiritCache have avoided network build> out by drastically reducing network traffic through efficiencyH improvements. These SpiritSoft clients have saved millions of dollars inB associated hardware and software purchases and drastically reduced ongoing operational costs.  H Kevin Gibbs, CEO of SpiritSoft said, "SpiritWave's certification on HP's@ OpenVMS operating system means that we can offer OpenVMS users aB solution with an immediate return on investment. We provide a J2EEC standards-based architecture for customers who want to migrate fromeH alternative infrastructures. With SpiritWave, the OpenVMS community willG experience easier integration, quicker time-to-market and extensibilitye for future requirements."o  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicest Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: Jakob Erber [mailto:erberj@yahoo.de_nospam]=20 Sent: July 16, 2002 12:51 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: MQSeriese     Hello,  H thanks a lot for all these replies. I was suprised about how many people had something to say.1  H We are going to try using MQSeries in order to connect our large VMS AXP? installation to the new EAI Infrastructure, based on SeebeyondsaH 'e*gate', which is not avail on VMS, but a a connector (eway) for MQ. WeG would have prefered BEA MessageQ (former DEC Message Q), but BEA itselfrE did not recommend that we buy this product. Seems they do not want to D support it in the future. The MQ product seems to fit quite clumsilyG into the VMS environment at the first clance and is very expensive too.iA IBM presses hard, cause we do not indent to buy the rest of theirg Websphere suite.  - More questions concerning the MQ product are:S  @ 1) Have there been problems in interoperability with MQ on other  plattforms (Windoze, Tru64, Sun)H 2) Is it a good way, trying to manage the MQ Installation on VMS through! a PC (remote management feature)?bC 3) Does somebody has special hints, how to diagnoze problems on VMSa best?e   best regards   Jakob-   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 11:57:43 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)< Subject: Re: need help: ODBC driver for rdb on OpenVMS Alpha= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207181057.41172a1a@posting.google.com>t  u etkaiser@softhome.net (Evan Kaiser) wrote in message news:<we2Z8.17712$Kx3.15152@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...eI > Hi everyone, I'm quite new to the OpenVMS world and need a little help.i > Here's the situation.sG > We have an OpenVMS Alpha 6.2 server running a proprietary application M > which contains what must be a pair of Rdb databases (as rdb shows up in theyM > license list and is the only database software on the list). This server is_N > going to be retired and we want to simply move those databases to a Windows Q > 2000 system running MS SQL Server 2000. The catch is, we need some kind of ODBC P > server software on the OpenVMS system, and while we do have an OpenVMS expert,N > he's not familiar with database-related stuff with it. Does anyone know of aG > good set of software that can provide ODBC connectivity between thesegP > systems? If we could get an ODBC connection, we could just directly import theR > databases into SQL Server with (hopefully) little hassle, and that would be the N > ideal solution. I know Attunity makes such software, and it looks like CONNXN > does too, so if anyone has opinions about those, I'd be glad to hear them. IO > found another vendor or two that produces such a connection suite, but theirsuN > worked only with OpenVMS Alpha 7.x or newer. It'd be nice if we could find aP > vendor with some kind of short-term licensing deal since we obviously won't beL > using it for very long since the Alpha box will be retired, but that's notQ > critical. Any help or suggestions about other vendors would be most welcome. IfoL > you could, please email responses to me at ekaiser@intear.com so I can see. > them as soon as possible. Thanks in advance. >  > Evan  > first, you are making a big mistake, as we are doing a project? for handhelds on a win2000 sql platform and it has been nothingc: but problems form day one ... right now, the thing crashes> intermitently and after reinstalling sql service pack 2 twice,< the company supporting this garbage has no idea why it keeps> crashing ... oh well, your problem, try www.synergex.com, they@ sell a odbc driver that would work for you ... good luck, you'll need it!   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:29:54 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>h9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 articleaJ Message-ID: <SGEZ8.136025$WJf1.49968@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  7 "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in messagee8 news:gBdZ8.42160$7k7.1023655@twister.southeast.rr.com...3 > CW360: Software that will run on 64-bit Itanium 2i >h; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/07/17/9249546r >e  J You know that the shame of it all is that we are reduced to finding joy inE the infrequent mention of OpenVMS in news releases and the occasionalr article.  L Mentions of OpenVMS in a positive light should be occurring on a daily basisK in the trade press and WSJ, et al., so much so that it becomes a non-event.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:02:05 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>T9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 articlea' Message-ID: <3D37778D.B3C08ECE@fsi.net>h   Nic Clews wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >  > > Kenneth Farmer wrote:t > > >a7 > > > CW360: Software that will run on 64-bit Itanium 2f > > >a? > > > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/07/17/9249546t > > 2 > > The full article seems to be subscribers only. > H > The site regularly crashes by browser, but here's a cut/paste, massage/ > in EDT and finally here for your delectation:a  1 "delectation"? I'm taking Bromocriptine for that!a   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:05:18 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 articlee' Message-ID: <3D37784E.A1684B60@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:e > 9 > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> wrote in message : > news:gBdZ8.42160$7k7.1023655@twister.southeast.rr.com...5 > > CW360: Software that will run on 64-bit Itanium 2l > > = > > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/07/17/9249546e > >r > L > You know that the shame of it all is that we are reduced to finding joy inG > the infrequent mention of OpenVMS in news releases and the occasionalt
 > article. > N > Mentions of OpenVMS in a positive light should be occurring on a daily basisM > in the trade press and WSJ, et al., so much so that it becomes a non-event.-  H We've only been saying for that last - what, somewhere between three and five years?<   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:52:01 -0600t+ From: "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com>r Subject: PHIGS - what is it?0 Message-ID: <004801c22e8c$343e1c20$0a00a8c0@w2k>  C Have inherited a system with "PHIGS-RUNTIME-USER" issurer/producer:f/ "DEC".  I have no idea what this is.  Any help?    Thanks,v Ransom Fitch   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:23:45 GMTp. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: PHIGS - what is it?1 Message-ID: <5BEZ8.2955$Se4.85573@news.chello.at>a  ^ In article <004801c22e8c$343e1c20$0a00a8c0@w2k>, "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com> writes:D >Have inherited a system with "PHIGS-RUNTIME-USER" issurer/producer:0 >"DEC".  I have no idea what this is.  Any help?  E PHIGS           Programmable Hierachical Interactive Graphics Systems    -- - Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERa% Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:17:08 GMT 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>/  Subject: Re: PHIGS - what is it?2 Message-ID: <8nFZ8.36$vy3.796823@news.cpqcorp.net>  H If that didn't make it clear...  PHIGS is a 3D graphics library.  It wasK develped quite a while ago, and much of it's design was driven by where the A graphics bottlenecks of the day were.  It is designed to downloadtJ hierarchical information and objects to the graphics hardware (or at leastJ to the server) and then allows the user to do transformations and edits of< the objects without reloading the object data and hierarchy.  J Alas, PHIGS hasn't survived as a leading 3D library.  Most 3D heads wantedJ as direct (immediate mode) access to the hardware as possible, without theE hierarchical display structures.  Apps already had their own internal8H representations of the objects that they did not want dictated by PHIGS.  J SGI's "GL" became the defacto standard, and then they created OpenGL whichH was (and still is in many areas) the 3D library standard.  Microsoft, as7 always, has decided to try and undermine it on Windows.s  J VMS provided a PHIGS implementation, and in fact still does (I can't thinkG of a lot of others who still do).  We have quite a number of users withcI thousands, if not millions of lines of legacy PHIGS code.  It can use PEXeK (an X Extension designed for PHIGS), OpenGL, or vanilla 2D X11 for drawing.h  I Also see GKS, the old 2D library.  Same thing.  Not used much these days,d but still supported.  I Both are in maintenance mode (no active development, but bugfixes will beh addressed).a      K Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote in message <5BEZ8.2955$Se4.85573@news.chello.at>...s@ >In article <004801c22e8c$343e1c20$0a00a8c0@w2k>, "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com> writes:E >>Have inherited a system with "PHIGS-RUNTIME-USER" issurer/producer:i1 >>"DEC".  I have no idea what this is.  Any help?  >oF >PHIGS           Programmable Hierachical Interactive Graphics Systems >, >--r >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER& >Network and OpenVMS system specialist >E-mail  peter@langstoeger.ateJ >A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:13:20 +0200i2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)  Subject: Re: PHIGS - what is it?; Message-ID: <3d372160.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a  * Ransom Fitch (rlfitch@peakpeak.com) wrote:E > Have inherited a system with "PHIGS-RUNTIME-USER" issurer/producer:t1 > "DEC".  I have no idea what this is.  Any help?a  G It stands for "Programmers' Hierarchical Interactive Graphics System" -iA a (very well implemented - it's DEC after all) device-independantn library for graphics.,   cu,t   Martin -- wG  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmera4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.deo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:19:53 -0600y+ From: "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com>i  Subject: Re: PHIGS - what is it?0 Message-ID: <008e01c22e98$7a440520$0a00a8c0@w2k>  H WOW!  And outstanding!  Quite a bit of info there!  I'm fairly sure thatG it is not being used now, however, this might correlate to the "Open3D"tG license also listed. So now I need to see if it is really being used orm= just hanging out. Old systems can collect a lot of "baggage".-   Thanks very much,  RF   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Peter LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]:' > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:24 PM1 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm" > Subject: Re: PHIGS - what is it? >  > : > In article <004801c22e8c$343e1c20$0a00a8c0@w2k>, "Ransom' > Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com> writes:oF > >Have inherited a system with "PHIGS-RUNTIME-USER" issurer/producer:2 > >"DEC".  I have no idea what this is.  Any help? > G > PHIGS           Programmable Hierachical Interactive Graphics Systems  >  > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERv' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistr > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at: > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a)  > Network _and_ VMS Job(s) >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 16:28:43 -07000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)  Subject: Re: PHIGS - what is it?< Message-ID: <948f0720.0207181528.8feeeb9@posting.google.com>  c "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com> wrote in message news:<004801c22e8c$343e1c20$0a00a8c0@w2k>...BE > Have inherited a system with "PHIGS-RUNTIME-USER" issurer/producer:n1 > "DEC".  I have no idea what this is.  Any help?d  F Programmer's Hierarchical Interactive Graphics System. A Google search will reveal more, e.g.L http://www.gsi.de/computing/unix/primer/graphical_tools/subsection3.1.1.html   Chrisw   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:58:51 GMTa5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>y8 Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMS2 Message-ID: <f_FZ8.41$Ry3.811158@news.cpqcorp.net>  J The 7500 is the Rv200, which we will be shipping when Marvel FRS's.  It isG an AGP card, so that isn't very interesting to most people with currentcG Alphas.  ATI is building a PCI card (well, they already had one, but itaF doesn't work in hot swap slots) and we won't see them until this fall.  J The 8500 is the R200, which AFAIK is just a faster, more expensive version
 of the Rv200.2  + We'll be working on the R300 for next year.l  J FWIW the Rv200 will be much faster than the P350 in all aspects.  In fact,K we will finally have 2D performance better than the TGA2.  It will NOT haveeK overlay planes or multiple simultanious pixel formats - the HW doesn't havee it.s  J BTW to the original poster - I don't think the P350 will work on a PWS500.3 I think you are limited to the ZLXp and ZLXe cards.c      D Paul Repacholi wrote in message <87znxa15fz.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...5 >rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:r >a; >> In article <3D2088AF.2DCC8B53@caltech.edu>, David Mathogc >> <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote: >g= >> >Have a look at the cards Xi supports on Linux or the manyr? >> >OpenGL cards supported on Windows. We've been experimentingg= >> >with a Radeon 8500 using the Xi driver on Linux and it ism; >> >_incredibly_ fast and the whole system was about $1600.a > @ >> I believe VMS support for the Radeon 8500 is in the pipeline. >fD >8500 or 7500? The 7500 is due to go into Field test from a previous >post. >n >--i= >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,h8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076e/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.tG >EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:34:43 +0200v% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>n$ Subject: Re: SOAP and XML On OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3d3718a9$1@news.swissonline.ch>  3 BEA Weblogic Server should also be able to do this.p   regardse   Jakobo  . "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in messageI news:CD6E9591EB3366C7.547D74644E71FD90.5D0292A2A65F702E@lp.airnews.net...  >tJ >     We're looking for a product/library that will take an XML file, send itJ > via SOAP/SSL to a remote service, wait for the return file, and place it. > back on the system with logging retry etc... >  >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:04:54 -0400c" From: "Hal Kuff" <Kuff@Tessco.Com>$ Subject: Re: SOAP and XML On OpenVMSO Message-ID: <E5DB72A9C6894F9A.E5035DA99FB9FC59.6A1775A788FE8C41@lp.airnews.net>h  H     To clarify, I need an OpenVMS system to send an XML date stream to aI remote web service via SSL .... is that something the compaq soap packageeE can do and if so is someone out there capable of doing that code as av consultant...?      0 "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> wrote in message& news:3d3718a9$1@news.swissonline.ch...5 > BEA Weblogic Server should also be able to do this.  >l	 > regardsl >  > Jakobi >d0 > "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in messageK > news:CD6E9591EB3366C7.547D74644E71FD90.5D0292A2A65F702E@lp.airnews.net...p > >aL > >     We're looking for a product/library that will take an XML file, send > itL > > via SOAP/SSL to a remote service, wait for the return file, and place it0 > > back on the system with logging retry etc... > >m > >e >o >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:16:32 GMT 0 From: rickm@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rick Millhollin)Y Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Applt1 Message-ID: <3d370578.441791482@news.uoregon.edu>t  3 On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:18:51 GMT, "Charles Morrall"r) <charles.morrall@nospam.telia.com> wrote:-  J >I haven't used Steam agents for a long time. I tend to configure an HSG80G >the old-fashioned way via direct CLI. As for error reporting, the SWMA L >(SANWorks Management Appliance) is almost a must have. You can configure itE >to send pager or mail on error, or to forward SNMP traps to whateverc* >management tools you use in your network.I >The SWMA is the base for several applications, the HSG80 Element ManagerlH >being one of them. Others incluse Enterprise Volume Manager, Allocation >Reporter, Network View.	 >/charlesi  @ Is SWMA a hardware appliance plus software replacement for SWCC?  1 Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilitiess@ University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-12120 Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 4397C E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove anti-spam digits).   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:59:52 GMTp: From: "Charles Morrall" <charles.morrall@nospam.telia.com>Y Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Applh5 Message-ID: <Y6FZ8.16504$p56.5368600@newsb.telia.net>h  = "Rick Millhollin" <rickm@oregon.uoregon.edu> wrote in messaget+ news:3d370578.441791482@news.uoregon.edu...-5 > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:18:51 GMT, "Charles Morrall"n+ > <charles.morrall@nospam.telia.com> wrote:e >eL > >I haven't used Steam agents for a long time. I tend to configure an HSG80I > >the old-fashioned way via direct CLI. As for error reporting, the SWMAmK > >(SANWorks Management Appliance) is almost a must have. You can configurei itG > >to send pager or mail on error, or to forward SNMP traps to whatevere, > >management tools you use in your network.K > >The SWMA is the base for several applications, the HSG80 Element Manager J > >being one of them. Others incluse Enterprise Volume Manager, Allocation > >Reporter, Network View. > >/charles  >vB > Is SWMA a hardware appliance plus software replacement for SWCC? >sL Yes. It's an appliance you connect to the SAN and network (a DL380 under the0 hood running a special version of Windows 2000).? Included is the Element Manager for HSG80 and some other tools.f /charles   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:15:24 +0100t# From: David Webb <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk>tY Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Applo& Message-ID: <3D373DFC.50407@mdx.ac.uk>   Charles Morrall wrote:  ? > "Rick Millhollin" <rickm@oregon.uoregon.edu> wrote in messageu- > news:3d370578.441791482@news.uoregon.edu...o > 5 >>On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:18:51 GMT, "Charles Morrall"r+ >><charles.morrall@nospam.telia.com> wrote:p >> >>L >>>I haven't used Steam agents for a long time. I tend to configure an HSG80I >>>the old-fashioned way via direct CLI. As for error reporting, the SWMArK >>>(SANWorks Management Appliance) is almost a must have. You can configuret >>>p > it > G >>>to send pager or mail on error, or to forward SNMP traps to whatevert, >>>management tools you use in your network.K >>>The SWMA is the base for several applications, the HSG80 Element ManagermJ >>>being one of them. Others incluse Enterprise Volume Manager, Allocation >>>Reporter, Network View. >>>/charlest >>> B >>Is SWMA a hardware appliance plus software replacement for SWCC? >> >>N > Yes. It's an appliance you connect to the SAN and network (a DL380 under the2 > hood running a special version of Windows 2000).A > Included is the Element Manager for HSG80 and some other tools.p
 > /charles > K Great so you can look forward to your storage being remotely controlled by    L a hacker after the Windows 2000 system is infected with NetBus, Subseven etc      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:39:06 +0200n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>fY Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Appl.' Message-ID: <3D37276A.A65401BD@aaa.com>-   Oh my...  : With my laptop, I always carry a serial cable and a couple= of DB9 <-> MMJ converters. That way I can *ALWAYS* connect tor7 *ANY* box I'll find, VAX, Alpha, HSZ* using Reflection.M  ? It's fine if you'd like to connect anything else at other timesn@ to catch errors or whatever, but when *I* am called in, I expect( to be able to connect my serial cable...  = Is there realy so many new fetures in the new controllers, so   you can't handle it with a CLI ?   Gosh...    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:47:13 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>8Y Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Applt' Message-ID: <3D377410.5E4B55E6@fsi.net>f   Alan Greig wrote:n > 7 > On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:09:53 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"i  > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: >  > >Marc Van Dyck wrote:s > >>D > >> For all what we have tried, the simplest and most efficient wayC > >> to control, configure and monitor an HSZ/HSG is still the goodaE > >> old serial console, connected to a terminal server and monitoreda > >> by Console Manager. > >>< > >> The new HSV, however, won't have a console line anymore@ > >> (a very bad decision if you ask me) so SWMA will be a must. > >- > >No serial console???!!! > >: > >HP: ARE YOU HIGH???!!!  > >e/ > >WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING???!!!S > A > Hey it does have embedded Windows though though so you can lookf	 > forward    You mean "backward".   > to that...   -- r David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:00:30 GMT21 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>lY Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Apple' Message-ID: <3D37772C.D8DB2EEF@fsi.net>    David Webb wrote:  >  > Nic Clews wrote: >  > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >e > >>Marc Van Dyck wrote: > >>D > >>>For all what we have tried, the simplest and most efficient wayC > >>>to control, configure and monitor an HSZ/HSG is still the goodaE > >>>old serial console, connected to a terminal server and monitoredl > >>>by Console Manager. > >>>t< > >>>The new HSV, however, won't have a console line anymore@ > >>>(a very bad decision if you ask me) so SWMA will be a must. > >>>c > >>No serial console???!!!I > >> > >>HP: ARE YOU HIGH???!!! > >>0 > >>WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING???!!! > >>  > >>...and where can I get some? > >>I > >>One thing's for sure - they won't be selling as many of those as theyt' > >>could if they hadn't screwed it up!a > >> > > H > > David, the bad news is the Compaq ENSA stuff was/is moving this way.L > > When this stuff was being introduced, the presenter pointed out that theH > > serial console you see won't be there in the production items, and aJ > > regular contributor to this list, did point out and ask if (due to theK > > fact it's based on a cut-down MS operating system) when a virus hit it,H! > > if data would be unavailable.c > >t > J > Probably true since a general virus probably wouldn't contain code whichH > would be able to interact with the management commands. But what about? > if you got infected with a remote-control trojan - subseven ,- > back orifice, netbus etc  
 Wonderful!  F So now, we'll not only lose our data processing systems to viri, we'll$ lose our data *AND* storage as well!  
 What next?  ; Charmin storage arrays? Get wiped once, then flush it away?k  ; Cottonelle storage controllers? Disintegrates in water, andd bio-degradeable to boot?  L > Is access to this cut down MS operating system allowed over the network  ?  E Can you really cut down something that was hacked to ribbons to starth with?i   -- w David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:36:19 GMTo0 From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com>* Subject: Re: TCPIP/UCX Version InformationA Message-ID: <7FFZ8.463973$o66.1244645@news-server.bigpond.net.au>r  ! As others have already mentioned:t       $ tcpip show ver%     $ product show product tcpip/fullh  2 And to see what ECO level each TCP/IP image is at:       $ tcpip show ver/all  G This is useful if you apply individual patches that are not part of thea currently released ECO.s   Matt.    --= -------------------------------------------------------------k OpenVMS TCP/IP Engineering Enterprise Computing Group Hewlett-Packard Companya Gold Coast, AUSTRALIA = -------------------------------------------------------------e    5 "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com> wrote in message . news:ah5g7o$9sp$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au...K > Can anyone please provide any clues as to where the tcpip/ucx version and  ECO(; > level in the output of "$ucx show version" may come from?  >  > Tia, > Dale >r >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:56:29 +10002* From: "Dale King" <dalek@forpresident.com>* Subject: Re: TCPIP/UCX Version Information4 Message-ID: <ah7h37$aje$1@gossamer.itmel.bhp.com.au>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message # news:3D36CF55.D13DF833@127.0.0.1...r > $ MCR TCPIP$VERSIONS >s > or >  > $ MCR UCX$VERSIONS >L" > (With thanks to 'Windy' Watson!) > 2 > Actually I think this complicates your question.  J Actually not.  That appears to be the answer (or the answer I was after at5 least) as the ECO version is a string within the .EXE2  ? > PS. Dale, you could have asked in the daily voice conference!)  
 Oh yeah :)   Thanks all for your replies.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:17:56 GMTc2 From: James Chamberlain <james.chamberlain@hp.com>1 Subject: Re: test drive the next generation Alpha.% Message-ID: <3D3703FF.6000907@hp.com>p  I In our program, we don't have any hard and fast limits on disk usage.  I iH usually don't start complaining until people hit a gig, and most people E use significantly less than that.  Unlike other similar programs, we |I also do not expire user accounts after two weeks or a month.  The system wF in question doesn't appear on the chart you mentioned because it is a . prototype, not an officially released product.   Regards,   James Chamberlainz System Administrator HP Test Drive Programe  . I may work for HP, but I don't speak for them.   Tom Linden wrote:e > I note that it isn't yet onwG > http://www.compaq.com/products/software/info/refmat/swl_syschart.html  > 8 > Which category will this fit into as far as licensing? > L > With IBM's test drive program you get 100MB of disc for a month so you can! > upload your code, similar here?  >  >  >  >  >>-----Original Message-----< >>From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com]& >>Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:46 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComE/ >>Subject: test drive the next generation Alphay >> >> >>Marvel Test Driveo >>M >>A 2P ES80 prototype Marvel is available for shared use under the Test Drive<M >>program on the external Web. The system is open to anyone who registers forrK >>an account. The system will rotate through Tru64 UNIX, Linux, and OpenVMS:9 >>every few weeks. The notice about the Marvel system is:  >>$ >><http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/> >>( >>Public registration for an account is:; >><http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/accounts/register.shtml>s >>- >>Marvel for Use in the Enterprise System Lab  >>H >>Two 8P GS1280 Marvel prototype systems are available at the EnterpriseK >>System Lab in Littleton, Massachusetts for dedicated use by customers and K >>partners. The systems can be accessed over the Internet or time scheduled 3 >>for a visit at the ESL. Contact Vince.Ryan@HP.coml >><mailto:Vince.Ryan@HP.com>> >>to arrange for access. You can see the systems via a Webcam:$ >><http://16.21.0.5/view/view.shtml> >> >> >> >> >> >>---S( >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B >>Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 >> >  > ---i( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:14:44 +0100L# From: David Webb <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk>1 Subject: Re: VMS commitment ( Message-ID: <3D370594.9070100@mdx.ac.uk>   Jerry Leslie wrote:I  5 > Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:  > : "Jay E. Morris" wrote: > : ; > Here's an update on the U.S. Navy "Smart Ship" program...  > D >    Here's a "Smart Ship" Fielding Plan dated 6-7 September, 2001, ' >    starting with the U.S.S. Yorktown:  >    rB >       http://www.navigator.navy.mil/navigator/Battle_Group_Conf/ >       doc_4.2.2-1_IBS.pdft > 5 >    Note the use of "Voyage Management System (VMS)"  >     F Well according to the inquirer the US Navy  has given up on Microsoft  and now wants to use Linux :-p  ( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4487    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:57:52 GMTs1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)f Subject: Re: VMS commitmentr< Message-ID: <AkDZ8.127004$eF5.3573009@twister.austin.rr.com>  3 Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:c : "Jay E. Morris" wrote: :  : > > What's COTS ?o : > >eF : > > btw In german you could pronounce it KOTZ (which means let your G : > > breakfast come back through your head ;-) It reminds me of this, r& : > > but I doubt that this was meant. : >s& : > Commercial Off The Shelf software. : ? : Well, "systems", not just "software". That's the program that.8 : gets you naval destroyers disabled by Windows/NT BSsOD# : while claiming to cut your taxes.P :   9 Here's an update on the U.S. Navy "Smart Ship" program...1  B    Here's a "Smart Ship" Fielding Plan dated 6-7 September, 2001, %    starting with the U.S.S. Yorktown:r    6@       http://www.navigator.navy.mil/navigator/Battle_Group_Conf/       doc_4.2.2-1_IBS.pdf,  3    Note the use of "Voyage Management System (VMS)"-  H    and this registration form for a symposium May 14-16 which mentions a    Lockheed Martin director:    AC       http://www.crane.navy.mil/asnesymposium01/webregistration.doc   H    Just hit "cancel" on the network login popup window, and the document
    will load.u  C    This one shows that the Yorktown's "Smart Ship" iniatives were a0
    success    @L    http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/cruisers/yorktown/smrtship.html    U.S. Navy - Smart Ship   (    " "Smart Ship" initiatives successful  E    The U.S. Navy announced today the Smart Ship experiment aboard the.H    guided missile cruiser USS Yorktown (CG 48) has reduced workload and I    manpower requirements while enhancing combat readiness  and improving      the crew's quality of life.  G    The Smart Ship Assessment Report, summarizing USS Yorktown's (CG 48)iG    performance to date, validated the use of cost-effective commercial sH    technology and policy changes to allow Sailors to focus on their war M    fighting and professional skills by freeing them from repetitive tasks..."   I    The CNN version of the story on CV77 ends with a chilling statement...i  E     http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/08/carrier.windows.idg/l     CNN.com - Technology - dK     Futuristic Windows version to control aircraft carrier - August 8, 20004  D     "...The CVN-77 win is a key triumph for Microsoft in the defenseJ     industry, because it sets the stage for the company's participation inJ     the Navy's long-term, three-phase future carrier design program. "ThisF     is not just the one ship. It will decide the architectures for theH     next three ships," Roach said. Microsoft's agreement also includes aI     back-fit program for seven other carriers, bringing the total to 10."o  F So all U.S. nuclear aircraft carriers will be "upgraded" to Smart Ship control systems.  J The Aegis-class cruiser USS Antietam will be upgraded to "Smart Ship" per 
 this story...n  )    http://www.nassco.com/news/120301.htmltD    The General Dynamics Corporation/NASSCO: NASSCO Awarded Contract =    for USS Antietam (CG-54) Extended Dry-Docking Availability(    B    "...This is the second complex refurbishment of an Aegis guidedH    missile cruiser performed by NASSCO and the third installation of theF    "Smart Ship" systems equipment. The company completed a $30-millionI    extended maintenance, repair and alteration availability on USS MobilesH    Bay (CG-53) in June 2001 and has previously installed "Smart Ship" on    USS Valley Forge (CG-50)..."a  K At least some PLCs are also used, per this description of the "Smart Ship" m	 system...l  -    http://www.e-d-i.com/products_control.htmlg%    SPD Technologies - Control Systems-  B    "...The original MPCMS was physically removed from the ship andC    replaced by 15 COTS Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) and 12 I    Windows NT-based workstations. The workstations and PLCs are connectedaB    via Ethernet to a fiber optic Local Area Network (LAN). The LANH    consists of five Automatic Transfer Mode (ATM) switches configured in>    a 155 Mbps full mesh, backbone. To enhance reliability, theC    workstations and PLCs have redundant Ethernet connections to twou    different ATM switches..."1    :    "Sleep well, your nation is being guarded by Microsoft"    o2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaily   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 12:03:57 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: VMS commitmente= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207181103.77e3849b@posting.google.com>e   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message news:<ah6f9m$7q6$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...m > Bob Ceculski wrote:r >  > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message news:<ah3v0i$cp8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...e > >  > >>Main, Kerry wrote: t > >>F > >>>As far as buying all new applications, what world do you live in? > >>> J > >>>Most of the Customers I have talked to have gotten over "the grass isH > >>>greener on the other side" type Sales arguments and do not have theH > >>>budgets today for the "lets replace everything with brand new shiny > >>>versions of everything".A > >>>s > >>> ? > >>You know perfectly well that the applications suites, thatse> > >>Seibel, SAP, PeopleSoft, Baan, JDE etc etc now account forA > >>a big chunk of customers ISV costs and that customer spendingoB > >>on their own development has fallen and where "development" isG > >>being done often its actually customisation of the packaged productg > >>they are deploying.e > >> > >>RegardsH > >>Andrew Harrisoni > >> > > < > > an application is only as good as the os it runs on ...  > > Bob's rule #2) > >  >  > 5 > Bob's rule #1 being never let a fact get in the wayd > of your argument.o > 	 > Regardsd > Andrew Harrisone  ; Bob's rule says what good is it to buy sap or zap or seibel 9 or any other canned package if the os it runs on is crasha; hack city, also have you checked seibels stock price today,M< from $47 to $9 and falling ... what happens to your precious/ seibel garbage if they go down the tubes matey?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:33:53 GMTh# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: VMS commitmentiJ Message-ID: <BKEZ8.136033$WJf1.20454@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  : Imagine trying to SCRAM the reactors and getting the BSOD.  G Not much difference between the BSOD and the ionizing blue glow in that2
 situation.    > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message6 news:AkDZ8.127004$eF5.3573009@twister.austin.rr.com...5 > Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:0 > : "Jay E. Morris" wrote: > :? > : > > What's COTS ?a > : > >uG > : > > btw In german you could pronounce it KOTZ (which means let youraH > : > > breakfast come back through your head ;-) It reminds me of this,( > : > > but I doubt that this was meant. > : > ( > : > Commercial Off The Shelf software. > :aA > : Well, "systems", not just "software". That's the program that : > : gets you naval destroyers disabled by Windows/NT BSsOD% > : while claiming to cut your taxes.r > :e >,; > Here's an update on the U.S. Navy "Smart Ship" program...y >rC >    Here's a "Smart Ship" Fielding Plan dated 6-7 September, 2001,l' >    starting with the U.S.S. Yorktown:? > B >       http://www.navigator.navy.mil/navigator/Battle_Group_Conf/ >       doc_4.2.2-1_IBS.pdfJ >a5 >    Note the use of "Voyage Management System (VMS)"o > J >    and this registration form for a symposium May 14-16 which mentions a >    Lockheed Martin director: >lE >       http://www.crane.navy.mil/asnesymposium01/webregistration.doch >aJ >    Just hit "cancel" on the network login popup window, and the document >    will load.e >vE >    This one shows that the Yorktown's "Smart Ship" iniatives were ae >    success >S >SI http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/cruisers/yorktown/smrtship.htmle >    U.S. Navy - Smart Ships > * >    " "Smart Ship" initiatives successful >tG >    The U.S. Navy announced today the Smart Ship experiment aboard the I >    guided missile cruiser USS Yorktown (CG 48) has reduced workload andUJ >    manpower requirements while enhancing combat readiness  and improving  >    the crew's quality of life. >uI >    The Smart Ship Assessment Report, summarizing USS Yorktown's (CG 48).H >    performance to date, validated the use of cost-effective commercialI >    technology and policy changes to allow Sailors to focus on their war E >    fighting and professional skills by freeing them from repetitiveM	 tasks..."D >dK >    The CNN version of the story on CV77 ends with a chilling statement...l >,G >     http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/08/carrier.windows.idg/8 >     CNN.com - Technology -H >     Futuristic Windows version to control aircraft carrier - August 8, 2000 >cF >     "...The CVN-77 win is a key triumph for Microsoft in the defenseL >     industry, because it sets the stage for the company's participation inL >     the Navy's long-term, three-phase future carrier design program. "ThisH >     is not just the one ship. It will decide the architectures for theJ >     next three ships," Roach said. Microsoft's agreement also includes aK >     back-fit program for seven other carriers, bringing the total to 10."O >IH > So all U.S. nuclear aircraft carriers will be "upgraded" to Smart Ship > control systems. >tK > The Aegis-class cruiser USS Antietam will be upgraded to "Smart Ship" pers > this story...o > + >    http://www.nassco.com/news/120301.html E >    The General Dynamics Corporation/NASSCO: NASSCO Awarded Contract ? >    for USS Antietam (CG-54) Extended Dry-Docking Availabilityu >h >tD >    "...This is the second complex refurbishment of an Aegis guidedJ >    missile cruiser performed by NASSCO and the third installation of theH >    "Smart Ship" systems equipment. The company completed a $30-millionK >    extended maintenance, repair and alteration availability on USS MobilecJ >    Bay (CG-53) in June 2001 and has previously installed "Smart Ship" on! >    USS Valley Forge (CG-50)..."s >uL > At least some PLCs are also used, per this description of the "Smart Ship" > system...i > / >    http://www.e-d-i.com/products_control.htmly' >    SPD Technologies - Control Systems, >'D >    "...The original MPCMS was physically removed from the ship andE >    replaced by 15 COTS Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) and 12cK >    Windows NT-based workstations. The workstations and PLCs are connectedcD >    via Ethernet to a fiber optic Local Area Network (LAN). The LANJ >    consists of five Automatic Transfer Mode (ATM) switches configured in@ >    a 155 Mbps full mesh, backbone. To enhance reliability, theE >    workstations and PLCs have redundant Ethernet connections to two. >    different ATM switches..."- >- >-< >    "Sleep well, your nation is being guarded by Microsoft" >r4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own); >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaile   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:34:40 -0400c* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: VMS commitmentC- Message-ID: <0033000073085319000002L092*@MHS>   - =0AThose examples really put the Death in thei Blue Screen of Death...    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET-% Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:22 PMCB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: VMS commitment-    : Imagine trying to SCRAM the reactors and getting the BSOD.  H Not much difference between the BSOD and the ionizing blue glow in that=  
 situation.    > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message6 news:AkDZ8.127004$eF5.3573009@twister.austin.rr.com...5 > Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:e > : "Jay E. Morris" wrote: > :- > : > > What's COTS ?1 > : > >2H > : > > btw In german you could pronounce it KOTZ (which means let your=  H > : > > breakfast come back through your head ;-) It reminds me of this= ,m( > : > > but I doubt that this was meant. > : >e( > : > Commercial Off The Shelf software. > :.A > : Well, "systems", not just "software". That's the program that : > : gets you naval destroyers disabled by Windows/NT BSsOD% > : while claiming to cut your taxes.l > :t >T; > Here's an update on the U.S. Navy "Smart Ship" program...e >)C >    Here's a "Smart Ship" Fielding Plan dated 6-7 September, 2001,o' >    starting with the U.S.S. Yorktown:n >)B >       http://www.navigator.navy.mil/navigator/Battle_Group_Conf/ >       doc_4.2.2-1_IBS.pdf  > 5 >    Note the use of "Voyage Management System (VMS)"b >aH >    and this registration form for a symposium May 14-16 which mention= s a3 >    Lockheed Martin director: >oE >       http://www.crane.navy.mil/asnesymposium01/webregistration.docl >oH >    Just hit "cancel" on the network login popup window, and the docum= entl >    will load.  >lE >    This one shows that the Yorktown's "Smart Ship" iniatives were ar >    success >o >.H http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/cruisers/yorktown/smrtship.ht= ml >    U.S. Navy - Smart Shipf >i* >    " "Smart Ship" initiatives successful >mH >    The U.S. Navy announced today the Smart Ship experiment aboard the=  H >    guided missile cruiser USS Yorktown (CG 48) has reduced workload a= ndH >    manpower requirements while enhancing combat readiness  and improv= ing   >    the crew's quality of life. >tH >    The Smart Ship Assessment Report, summarizing USS Yorktown's (CG 4= 8)H >    performance to date, validated the use of cost-effective commercia= l H >    technology and policy changes to allow Sailors to focus on their w= arE >    fighting and professional skills by freeing them from repetitiveM	 tasks..."E >>H >    The CNN version of the story on CV77 ends with a chilling statemen= t... >>H >     http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/08/carrier.windows.idg/=   >     CNN.com - Technology -H >     Futuristic Windows version to control aircraft carrier - August 8= ,w 2000 >eF >     "...The CVN-77 win is a key triumph for Microsoft in the defenseH >     industry, because it sets the stage for the company's participati= on inlH >     the Navy's long-term, three-phase future carrier design program. = "ThiseH >     is not just the one ship. It will decide the architectures for th= e H >     next three ships," Roach said. Microsoft's agreement also include= s abH >     back-fit program for seven other carriers, bringing the total to = 10." >yH > So all U.S. nuclear aircraft carriers will be "upgraded" to Smart Shi= pt > control systems. >yH > The Aegis-class cruiser USS Antietam will be upgraded to "Smart Ship"=  per > this story...W >a+ >    http://www.nassco.com/news/120301.html E >    The General Dynamics Corporation/NASSCO: NASSCO Awarded Contractc? >    for USS Antietam (CG-54) Extended Dry-Docking Availability: >0 >2D >    "...This is the second complex refurbishment of an Aegis guidedH >    missile cruiser performed by NASSCO and the third installation of = the/H >    "Smart Ship" systems equipment. The company completed a $30-millio= n6H >    extended maintenance, repair and alteration availability on USS Mo= bileH >    Bay (CG-53) in June 2001 and has previously installed "Smart Ship"=  one! >    USS Valley Forge (CG-50)..."u > H > At least some PLCs are also used, per this description of the "Smart = Ship"  > system...o >s/ >    http://www.e-d-i.com/products_control.htmlv' >    SPD Technologies - Control Systems' > D >    "...The original MPCMS was physically removed from the ship andE >    replaced by 15 COTS Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) and 12iH >    Windows NT-based workstations. The workstations and PLCs are conne= ctedD >    via Ethernet to a fiber optic Local Area Network (LAN). The LANH >    consists of five Automatic Transfer Mode (ATM) switches configured=  in:@ >    a 155 Mbps full mesh, backbone. To enhance reliability, theE >    workstations and PLCs have redundant Ethernet connections to two- >    different ATM switches..."  >2 >:< >    "Sleep well, your nation is being guarded by Microsoft" >u4 > --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)< >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 22:32:57 GMTC1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie)u Subject: Re: VMS commitmenty< Message-ID: <tmHZ8.148020$q53.3610089@twister.austin.rr.com>  $ David Webb (d.webb@mdx.ac.uk) wrote: :  : Jerry Leslie wrote:  : 7 : > Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:t : > : "Jay E. Morris" wrote: : > : = : > Here's an update on the U.S. Navy "Smart Ship" program...  : > F : >    Here's a "Smart Ship" Fielding Plan dated 6-7 September, 2001, ) : >    starting with the U.S.S. Yorktown:a : >    FD : >       http://www.navigator.navy.mil/navigator/Battle_Group_Conf/ : >       doc_4.2.2-1_IBS.pdfw : > 7 : >    Note the use of "Voyage Management System (VMS)". : >  :  : H : Well according to the inquirer the US Navy  has given up on Microsoft  : and now wants to use Linux :-a : * : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4487 :   9 The Linux usage is on survey ships for data collection...r  C   "...As reported by Newsforge: "In the case of the data collectiondG    computers on survey ships, Linux on Intel machines is costing 10% ofwC    the former RISC-based systems, Aitken told a crowd of governmenth@    workers at a Tuesday workshop on Open Source and e-government@    sponsored by the U.S. General Services Administration and theD    Cyberspace Policy Institute at The George Washington University."  G    NAVOCEANO has also been able to save considerable bandwidth and timenH    by hosting raw data Quality Assurance and pre-processing functions onC    its Linux based Network Attached Storage (NAS) servers. This hasRC    enabled it to transfer more processing shipboard, thus improvingaG    product delivery turnaround times as well as avoiding major platformcA    costs for expensive fiber-channel SAN storage arrays and theirf     required big-tin servers...."   ...not for command & control.e  M Perhaps the U.S. Navy is trying to build submersible aircraft carriers    :-)/M (submarines) like the Japanese built during WW II for air strikes against :-)hM the U.S. West coast:                                                      :-) M                                                                           :-)eM    http://www.pacerfarm.org/i-400/i-400.htm                               :-) M    The Transpacific Voyage Of the I-400                                   :-)s  : BTW the Japanese licensed the Douglas DC-3 prior to WW II:  3    http://www.wwiitech.net/main/japan/aircraft/l2d/e8    WWII TECH: World War II History - Japanese Aircraft -)    Douglas / Showa / Nakajima L2D (Tabby)o  E Just prior to WW II, some U.S. companies circumvented U.S. embargoes tA against strategic items and technologies, such as aircraft parts:e  <    http://www.wvculture.org/history/journal_wvh/wvh55-6.htmlH    Senator Harley M. Kilgore and Japan's World War II Business Practices  6 Corporate criminal behavior is nothing new in the U.S.  2 --Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emailr   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 02 05:47:11 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)d Subject: Re: VMS commitmenta) Message-ID: <rgD5if5fQDwk@elias.decus.ch>t  p In article <AkDZ8.127004$eF5.3573009@twister.austin.rr.com>, LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes: >  > < >    "Sleep well, your nation is being guarded by Microsoft"  3 In contrast to that lot, what about this article ato( http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4487   "US Navy using Linux"   K However, I note that they say "In the case of the data collection computers E on survey ships, Linux on Intel machines is costing 10% of the former- RISC-based systems, ..."  3 I hope that doesn't mean they've replaced Alphas...a   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 12:57:18 -0700( From: sawics@hotmail.com (Steve Sawicki) Subject: VT520 setup screenb= Message-ID: <94d159e7.0207181157.5945fe88@posting.google.com>n  E Very basic question! I have a vt520 with a compaq (PC) keyboard - notrE sure of its source, but I can't get to a setup screen. I have lots ofiD experience with vt420 down to good ol' vt100. Should this be similarA or is it completely diff (ie: not via setup function key)? Please0 help!:   Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:56:08 -0000s( From: Paul Williams <news@celigne.co.uk> Subject: Re: VT520 setup screeno: Message-ID: <Xns924FE9B7F18A4newscelignecouk@216.168.3.30>  , sawics@hotmail.com (Steve Sawicki) wrote in 5 news:94d159e7.0207181157.5945fe88@posting.google.com:n  G > Very basic question! I have a vt520 with a compaq (PC) keyboard - notm8 > sure of its source, but I can't get to a setup screen.  + Hold down Caps Lock and press Print Screen.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:04:30 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>v* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D37032E.4015265E@aaa.com>e  5 Nothing special in the licensing, as far as I can se.   % If you can login to SYSTEM, what doese# "$ ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO say ?n  3 I suppose you have already checked OPERATOR.LOG for  anything "interesting" (?).B  8 You could also setup the system to log every file access, (successful or not). Check "HELP SET AUDIT".2 This might give you more info on why DCL.EXE isn't2 accessable from TBRANSCO. This will give you a lot. of logging, so don't forget to switch it of...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:22:48 -0700d* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d370786$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>e  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messages! news:3D37032E.4015265E@aaa.com...a7 > Nothing special in the licensing, as far as I can se.n >n' > If you can login to SYSTEM, what doesk% > "$ ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO say ?7   Several of these:.
 LOGIN FAILUREoI Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command interpreter- !AS-   A few of these:  NETWORK Process Termination5I Final status text: %SYSTEM-F-OPCCUS, opcode reserved to customer fault at  PC=!XH  J I think (i.e., make a wild guess) the latter are related to my attempts toG get Samba running on the system.  It has problems resolving the NetBIOS  names of the WinME client.   > 5 > I suppose you have already checked OPERATOR.LOG forL > anything "interesting" (?).  >m  I Lots of TELNET login requests were received, but no more information thani that.a  : > You could also setup the system to log every file access. > (successful or not). Check "HELP SET AUDIT".4 > This might give you more info on why DCL.EXE isn't4 > accessable from TBRANSCO. This will give you a lot0 > of logging, so don't forget to switch it of... >h > Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:31:18 +0200t9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>v* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D370976.288C1C80@aaa.com>    Alder wrote: > 5 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message # > news:3D37032E.4015265E@aaa.com...n > >d) > > If you can login to SYSTEM, what doest' > > "$ ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO say ?w >  > Several of these:i > LOGIN FAILUREpK > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command interpreterm > !ASt  9 Any "Final status code:" in the that accounting entry  ??u  , And I suppose your have already check this :   $ help /mess clifail  :  CLIFAIL,  error activating command interpreter 'CLI-name'  &   Facility:     LOGIN, Login Procedure  @   Explanation:  An error occurred while attempting to invoke the	 specifiedh5                 command interpreter for your process.   D   User Action:  Ensure that the command interpreter image exists and that the+                 image file has read access.     	 Jan-Erik.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:53:48 -0700S* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d370eca$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>n  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D370976.288C1C80@aaa.com...  > Alder wrote: > >e7 > > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagep% > > news:3D37032E.4015265E@aaa.com...f > > >f+ > > > If you can login to SYSTEM, what doesy) > > > "$ ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO say ?  > >  > > Several of these:s > > LOGIN FAILUREeA > > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command  interpreterC > > !ASw > ; > Any "Final status code:" in the that accounting entry  ??E >c  9 Not that I can see.  Here's one record from the output ofo ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO  
 LOGIN FAILUREt
 -------------rH Username:          TBRANSCO          UIC:               [USERS,TBRANSCO]C Account:           <login>           Finish time:       15-JUL-2002o 08:24:29.16'C Process ID:        00001E7F          Start time:        15-JUL-2002r 08:24:21.95rC Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0i 00:00:07.20tC Terminal name:     TNA76:            Processor time:              0n 00:00:00.05 9 Remote node addr:                    Priority:          4o@ Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: 00108000@ Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: 00000000 Remote full name:t@ Queue entry:                         Final status code: 10D38024 Queue name:.	 Job name:nI Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command interpreterd !ASn  B Page faults:               84        Direct IO:                 13B Page fault reads:           3        Buffered IO:               24B Peak working set:        1392        Volumes mounted:            0B Peak page file:        165408        Images executed:            1     Press RETURN for Next Record >    . > And I suppose your have already check this : >n > $ help /mess clifail >5< >  CLIFAIL,  error activating command interpreter 'CLI-name' > ( >   Facility:     LOGIN, Login Procedure >tB >   Explanation:  An error occurred while attempting to invoke the > specified 7 >                 command interpreter for your process.  >DF >   User Action:  Ensure that the command interpreter image exists and
 > that the- >                 image file has read access.S >o  J Yes.  One of my earlier posts included all the protections set for DCL.EXEJ and DCLTABLES.EXE.  Both exist where they should, neither conflicts with a/ logical or symbol, and both have (W:RE) access.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:09:02 +0200M9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>w* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D37124E.5F0F13AA@aaa.com>s   Alder wrote: > 5 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messager# > news:3D370976.288C1C80@aaa.com...i > > Alder wrote: > > >)E > > > > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command-
 > interpreter-	 > > > !AS  > > = > > Any "Final status code:" in the that accounting entry  ??a > >p >  > Not that I can see.m  0 Well, it's there, "Final status code: 10D38024".1 Now it takes someone more used to read these codeh to de-compile it.D    * Well, I'm sorry to say, but I'm lost here.  1 Be sure to post the solution (if any :-) ) here !e   Byer	 Jan-Erik.1       Oh well, can't stop...  ; What about the other "privileged" accounts, such as FIELD ?:  : Or try to make a new account by copying SYSTEM (with a new; UIC) and then (if it initialy worked) delete it and re-copyD7 while changing one setting at a time, until you hit theJ) error (or the user is equal to TBRANSCO).    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2002 17:14:22 -0700/ From: pxxo-i60l@dea.spamcon.org (Phil Ottewell))* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup= Message-ID: <4ed35bd8.0207181614.4a703b5e@posting.google.com>l  ] "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> wrote in message news:<3d370eca$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>...t [snip]L > Yes.  One of my earlier posts included all the protections set for DCL.EXEL > and DCLTABLES.EXE.  Both exist where they should, neither conflicts with a1 > logical or symbol, and both have (W:RE) access.r  N One thing I can think of is to see what the logical SYS$SYLOGIN is defined as.O This is usually a command file, and if it is not accessible it will give errors F when non-privileged users log in. If the logical is not defined, checkE SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM to ensure that it has the correct protection.aA Also, try logging in with username TBRANSCO/NOCOMMAND in case theN1 user's login command file is causing the problem.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:45:35 GMT=1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D3773AE.7F4BD8ED@fsi.net>n   Alder wrote: > 5 > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messaged# > news:3D370976.288C1C80@aaa.com...Y > > Alder wrote: > > >i9 > > > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagey' > > > news:3D37032E.4015265E@aaa.com...t > > > > - > > > > If you can login to SYSTEM, what doesm+ > > > > "$ ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO say ?e > > >a > > > Several of these:a > > > LOGIN FAILUREoC > > > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating commandc
 > interpreter 	 > > > !ASn > > = > > Any "Final status code:" in the that accounting entry  ??  > >  > ; > Not that I can see.  Here's one record from the output ofR > ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO >  > LOGIN FAILUREp > -------------eJ > Username:          TBRANSCO          UIC:               [USERS,TBRANSCO]E > Account:           <login>           Finish time:       15-JUL-2002n
 > 08:24:29.16sE > Process ID:        00001E7F          Start time:        15-JUL-2002r
 > 08:24:21.95rE > Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0n
 > 00:00:07.20cE > Terminal name:     TNA76:            Processor time:              0 
 > 00:00:00.05W; > Remote node addr:                    Priority:          40B > Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: 00108000B > Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: 00000000 > Remote full name:iB > Queue entry:                         Final status code: 10D38024
 > Queue name:e > Job name:tK > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command interpretert > !ASi > D > Page faults:               84        Direct IO:                 13D > Page fault reads:           3        Buffered IO:               24D > Peak working set:        1392        Volumes mounted:            0D > Peak page file:        165408        Images executed:            1 >   > Press RETURN for Next Record > > 0 > > And I suppose your have already check this : > >2 > > $ help /mess clifail > >n> > >  CLIFAIL,  error activating command interpreter 'CLI-name' > >e* > >   Facility:     LOGIN, Login Procedure > >0D > >   Explanation:  An error occurred while attempting to invoke the
 > > specifiedi9 > >                 command interpreter for your process.f > >hH > >   User Action:  Ensure that the command interpreter image exists and > > that the/ > >                 image file has read access.b > >  > L > Yes.  One of my earlier posts included all the protections set for DCL.EXEL > and DCLTABLES.EXE.  Both exist where they should, neither conflicts with a1 > logical or symbol, and both have (W:RE) access.   E O.k., well, one piece I HAVEN'T seen in this thread is the output of:v  . DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ inst list sys$system:dcl/fu  ) DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXEv1    DCL;1            Open Hdr Shar          Lnkbl r&         Entry access count         = 9*         Current / Maximum shared   = 0 / 4&         Global section count       = 5  ! How does it look on your machine?l   -- e David J. DachteraN dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/T   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 03:05:17 GMTe- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>i* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup* Message-ID: <3D377CEA.7020106@qsl.network>   Alder wrote:  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist))  >C  > Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass a-G  > chimpanzee, but I'm having difficulty understanding why user accountLF  > setups are so difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my  > SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT file:  5 This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle..    > UAF> show alder <snip>   Account looks reasonable.i  :  > and here's the response to a login attempt by the user:  >A  > Username: alder Password: Error activating command interpretero  > SYS$SYSTEM:DCL   >F  > Would someone please suggest a way to track down the source of this  > error? Thanks.S  6 There appear to have been several suggestions already.    > Several of these:5  > LOGIN FAILURE Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, +  > error activating command interpreter !AS(  >  > A few of these:1  > NETWORK Process Termination Final status text:e@  > %SYSTEM-F-OPCCUS, opcode reserved to customer fault at PC=!XH  >  D It appears that the newly created process does not have privilege to access the command interpreter..  H According to other postings in this thread, you have already checked the6 protections for DCL.EXE and some of the related files.  F One reason could be that the full OpenVMS startup was not run, so that+ protected shared images were not installed.u  H Or one or more of the startup files / startup sysgen parameters are not G set right, resulting in the protected shared images were not installed.r  H If the files for protected shared images are improperly protected, then " a similar problem can be observed.  E A likely possibility is that applications have been installed on the AH system that are started up early that require more sysgen quota than is  provided by default.  E As a result, you may have run out of gblpages or gblsections, so thatm8 all the normally installed images did not get installed.  D What is needed to fix that is to review how to run AUTOGEN from the G System Management guide, and also review the installation requirements b- for the applications that you have installed.   ! Autogen should be first run with:i  % @SYS$UDPATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA TESTFILESs  H This will generate a file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT.  This should be@ reviewed to verify that your edits to MODPARAMS.DAT are correct.  C Autogen will have analyzed your edits and made some suggestions and 	 warnings.TE Be aware that it might dissagree with some of the requirements of the- installed applications.c  G Generally you will want to use a MIN_ prefix on quota parameters in theaI MODPARAMS.DAT.  I do not use the ADD_ prefix because the MIN_ parameters -7 or feedback will override them under normal conditions.r  I It may take several runs of AUTOGEN with the TESTFILES parameters to get i   a "good" AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT.   Then you can use:   % @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMSa  4 and reboot to get the new parameters to take effect.  B If you search for AUTOGEN using your favorite search engine on the> COMP.OS.VMS or ENCOMPASSERVE/DECUSERVE you will find a lot of   information about system tuning.   -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:16:44 GMTa( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup, Message-ID: <3D3792AB.4090902@spammotel.com>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > Alder wrote: > 5 >>"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message # >>news:3D370976.288C1C80@aaa.com...  >> >>>Alder wrote:r >>>o7 >>>>"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messageu% >>>>news:3D37032E.4015265E@aaa.com...g >>>>* >>>>>If you can login to SYSTEM, what does( >>>>>"$ ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO say ? >>>> >>>>Several of these:  >>>>LOGIN FAILURE A >>>>Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command  >>>t
 >>interpreter  >> >>>>!AS  >>>a< >>>Any "Final status code:" in the that accounting entry  ?? >>>8 >>; >>Not that I can see.  Here's one record from the output of) >>ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO >> >>LOGIN FAILUREe >>-------------fJ >>Username:          TBRANSCO          UIC:               [USERS,TBRANSCO]E >>Account:           <login>           Finish time:       15-JUL-2002s
 >>08:24:29.16oE >>Process ID:        00001E7F          Start time:        15-JUL-2002m
 >>08:24:21.95cE >>Owner ID:                            Elapsed time:                0v
 >>00:00:07.20-E >>Terminal name:     TNA76:            Processor time:              0a
 >>00:00:00.05w; >>Remote node addr:                    Priority:          4DB >>Remote node name:                    Privilege <31-00>: 00108000B >>Remote ID:                           Privilege <63-32>: 00000000 >>Remote full name: B >>Queue entry:                         Final status code: 10D38024
 >>Queue name:t >>Job name: K >>Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command interpreter  >>!AS- >>D >>Page faults:               84        Direct IO:                 13D >>Page fault reads:           3        Buffered IO:               24D >>Peak working set:        1392        Volumes mounted:            0D >>Peak page file:        165408        Images executed:            1 >>  >>Press RETURN for Next Record > >>/ >>>And I suppose your have already check this :a >>>y >>>$ help /mess clifail  >>>t= >>> CLIFAIL,  error activating command interpreter 'CLI-name'l >>>e) >>>  Facility:     LOGIN, Login Procedure" >>>SC >>>  Explanation:  An error occurred while attempting to invoke thes >>>specified8 >>>                command interpreter for your process. >>>sG >>>  User Action:  Ensure that the command interpreter image exists and  >>>that the1. >>>                image file has read access. >>>T >>L >>Yes.  One of my earlier posts included all the protections set for DCL.EXEL >>and DCLTABLES.EXE.  Both exist where they should, neither conflicts with a1 >>logical or symbol, and both have (W:RE) access.p >  > G > O.k., well, one piece I HAVEN'T seen in this thread is the output of:h > 0 > DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ inst list sys$system:dcl/fu > + > DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXEx3 >    DCL;1            Open Hdr Shar          Lnkbl e( >         Entry access count         = 9, >         Current / Maximum shared   = 0 / 4( >         Global section count       = 5 > # > How does it look on your machine?i >    $ inst list sys$system:dcl/fuy  ) DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXE.5     DCL;1            Open Hdr Shared            LnkblW*          Entry access count         = 3631,          Current / Maximum shared   = 5 / 17'          Global section count       = 1g   $q   Thanks,r Alder,   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 02 06:47:01 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)s* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup) Message-ID: <kpZiNWbU3u0L@elias.decus.ch>n  Z In article <3D377CEA.7020106@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > Alder wrote:! >  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist)- >  >E >  > Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass arI >  > chimpanzee, but I'm having difficulty understanding why user accountrH >  > setups are so difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my  >  > SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT file: > 7 > This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle.n >  >  > UAF> show alder > <snip> >  > Account looks reasonable.L > < >  > and here's the response to a login attempt by the user: >  >C >  > Username: alder Password: Error activating command interpretere >  > SYS$SYSTEM:DCLn >  >H >  > Would someone please suggest a way to track down the source of this >  > error? Thanks.  > 8 > There appear to have been several suggestions already. >  >  > Several of these:7 >  > LOGIN FAILURE Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL,e- >  > error activating command interpreter !ASp >  > >  > A few of these:3 >  > NETWORK Process Termination Final status text::B >  > %SYSTEM-F-OPCCUS, opcode reserved to customer fault at PC=!XH >  > > F > It appears that the newly created process does not have privilege to! > access the command interpreter.2 >   K Aha, that rings a few bells in my head. My bet is that the last AUTOGEN wastE aborted or failed prematurely, and SYS$MANAGER:VMSIMAGES.DAT was leftJ incomplete.   - Alder, can you please show us the output from7   $ INSTALL LIST DCL /FULL  G I believe that John's comprehensive answer will probably get you there.  __
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