1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 19 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 395       Contents: Re: Andrew wants numbers...  Re: Andrew wants numbers... , Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS, Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS, Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS Re: BEA Weblogic Server (WLS) ? Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)  Re: CSA -> DSPP  Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question Re: DEC 3000 Hobbyist 4 Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial  filename argument in java on VMS$ Re: filename argument in java on VMS$ Re: filename argument in java on VMS- RE: Gartner hacked - should have been on VMS!  hobbyist install Re: hobbyist install$ Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium servers Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: McKinley Cometh... Re: MQSeries& Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)* Re: Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)* Re: Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)* Re: Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)& Need 80' Fortran/VAX training material* Re: Need 80' Fortran/VAX training material* Re: Need 80' Fortran/VAX training material0 Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 article Re: PHIGS - what is it? / Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMS  PS or PDF output Re: PS or PDF output Re: PS or PDF output Re: PS or PDF output Re: PS or PDF output Re: Removing Q-Bus Cards standard header files location" Re: standard header files location" Re: standard header files locationP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the  Management AppP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management ApplP Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Appl! Re: TCPIP/UCX Version Information 8 Re: Terminal Emu to MicroVaxII - typed characters effect Re: VMS commitment Re: VMS commitment! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:51:29 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>$ Subject: Re: Andrew wants numbers...6 Message-ID: <200207170651.IAA02249@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  C I did not see my last mail to this group. In case of this once more # the new information of ES45 prices.   H Andrew, yesterday I did get the newest flyer for the German Campus (F&L)I with the new AlphaServer ES45. The base system with an upgrade to to four M 1GHz CPUs cost about 76.000,00Euro (~75.000,00US$). For another 24.000,00Euro H you will get 16GB memory. You see, the prices you reported are illusion.   Best regards Rudolf Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:30:54 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> $ Subject: Re: Andrew wants numbers...0 Message-ID: <ah9erf$85k$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:    > Hello, > E > I did not see my last mail to this group. In case of this once more % > the new information of ES45 prices.  > J > Andrew, yesterday I did get the newest flyer for the German Campus (F&L)K > with the new AlphaServer ES45. The base system with an upgrade to to four O > 1GHz CPUs cost about 76.000,00Euro (~75.000,00US$). For another 24.000,00Euro J > you will get 16GB memory. You see, the prices you reported are illusion. >     : Sorry they arn't unless HP's online pricing tool is wrong.  ? Incedentally a number of people have independantly verified the  pricing.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:06:53 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS & Message-ID: <3D37BA8D.1040506@home.nl>   J Stanley wrote:E > Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMS C > exist? I guess I'm really looking for system performance types of H > issues. I know with the version Oracle 8.1.7, we really had to ramp up. > on CPUs and memory for the upgrade to occur. >  > J Stanley   L Standard problem with every new version of Oracle: more "talking paperclip"  stuff, less performance.< VMS specific things like fast IO were removed from Oracle 8.P You do know you can get a far better performance by increasing the mailbox size 4 Oracle uses ? I would recommend 64 kbyte mail boxes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:25:04 -0400 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com>5 Subject: Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS 4 Message-ID: <GpUZ8.6521$H67.34559@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Hi  ; Can you tell me how you change the mailbox size for Oracle? . My performnce is ok, but if it can get better!   Thanks   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  ; "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> a crit dans le message de news:  3D37BA8D.1040506@home.nl...  > J Stanley wrote:G > > Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMS E > > exist? I guess I'm really looking for system performance types of J > > issues. I know with the version Oracle 8.1.7, we really had to ramp up0 > > on CPUs and memory for the upgrade to occur. > > 
 > > J Stanley  > B > Standard problem with every new version of Oracle: more "talking
 paperclip" > stuff, less performance.> > VMS specific things like fast IO were removed from Oracle 8.L > You do know you can get a far better performance by increasing the mailbox size6 > Oracle uses ? I would recommend 64 kbyte mail boxes. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:56:45 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS & Message-ID: <3D3844CD.3080106@home.nl>  N There is one or maybe two Oracle logicals you have to set. I will have a look H monday at work which logicals they are. Oracle uses the default mailbox 6 parameters from sysgen, unless these logicals are set.  N The sysgen mailbox parameters are dynamic, so you can change them on-line and Q see what happens after you restart Oracle if that is an option. However when you  I change the values in sysgen, other processes may run out of their quota !   	 Try this:   
 $mc sysgen sysgen>sho defmbx  sysgen>help sys_para Sys_Parameters Subtopic? defmbx          Syltrem wrote: > Hi > = > Can you tell me how you change the mailbox size for Oracle? 0 > My performnce is ok, but if it can get better! >  > Thanks >  > -- > 	 > Syltrem K > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) @ > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address > = > "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> a crit dans le message de news:  > 3D37BA8D.1040506@home.nl...  >  >>J Stanley wrote: >>F >>>Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMSD >>>exist? I guess I'm really looking for system performance types ofI >>>issues. I know with the version Oracle 8.1.7, we really had to ramp up / >>>on CPUs and memory for the upgrade to occur.  >>>  >>>J Stanley >>B >>Standard problem with every new version of Oracle: more "talking >  > paperclip" >  >>stuff, less performance.> >>VMS specific things like fast IO were removed from Oracle 8.L >>You do know you can get a far better performance by increasing the mailbox >  > size > 6 >>Oracle uses ? I would recommend 64 kbyte mail boxes. >> >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:53:48 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> & Subject: Re: BEA Weblogic Server (WLS)) Message-ID: <3D3819EC.799A64EA@gtech.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote: B > Alan left out both the BEA webserver and purveyor, I wonder why?  	 My guess:     Purveyor - dropped by its vendor  2 WebLogic - not really a web-server (even though it can be used as one)    Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 09:33:30 -0700- From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) H Subject: Re: CLI access to HSV's (was: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers)= Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0207190833.38691bc8@posting.google.com>   D > Of course, if you actually used an HSV, you wouldn't have to splitJ > mirrorsets because you could probably use the "instant" snapshot featureA > of the product.  You wouldn't have to wait for mirrorsets to be  > reconstructed. > J > But then you'd have to be able to somehow trigger that from a batch job. > So it's a similar problem. >  > -Ryan   C We were told with our HSV install that we cannot split mirrors sets D like you would for a backup.  The snapshot feature looks like a goodD alternative and snap clone for copying problem data into a test area
 for analysis.   B I still would like to have a CLI interface.  The GUI was sometimesB slow, of course it could have been waiting for the HSV to finish a task.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:00:19 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: CSA -> DSPPK Message-ID: <TXUZ8.142238$WJf1.136186@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>    <conspiracy>  > http://h21007.www2.hp.com/partner/technologies/1,2610,,00.html   contains NOTHING about OpenVMS.     I Why would HP want their partners to know anything about OpenVMS? But then H again, this is an HP site, not a Compaq site.  Seems to me that having aF link to existing OpenVMS resources on www.compaq.com is something thatC should be done. It would take the webmaster all of 2 minutes to do.   
 </conspiracy>    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:52:40 GMT . From: "Het Kritische Oog" <evdnep@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: DCL Question / Message-ID: <YGOZ8.892410$yP6.28585911@Flipper>   . "James" <jcho888@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht7 news:43c45dcb.0207180805.49ffcb84@posting.google.com... E > Is possible to write a DCL batch file so when ever you encounter an 6 > error, just resume to the next command and continue?   Start your DCL procedure with  $RESET := ON ERROR THEN RESET  $RESET   XXXXX    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:58:19 GMT . From: "Het Kritische Oog" <evdnep@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: DCL Question / Message-ID: <fMOZ8.892537$yP6.28591310@Flipper>   D "David Beatty" <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> schreef in bericht, news:8Oo2PZLy0RhY9eiMyJGE6zL5MURk@4ax.com... > ( > Include one of the following commands: >  > $ On Error Then Continue >  > $ Set Noon >  > David R. Beatty  > A > On 18 Jul 2002 09:05:06 -0700, jcho888@yahoo.com (James) wrote:  > F > >Is possible to write a DCL batch file so when ever you encounter an7 > >error, just resume to the next command and continue?  >  Wrong!!!L When you use $On Error Then Continue, and an error happens then the on error setting has gone! C Everty time an exception happens you have to redefine your on error  definition!   6 A nice, quick solution? Begin your DCL procedure with: $RESET := ON ERROR THEN RESET  $RESET   XXXXX    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 06:46:52 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: DCL Question 3 Message-ID: <vcZFgFO9z0kI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <fMOZ8.892537$yP6.28591310@Flipper>, "Het Kritische Oog" <evdnep@hotmail.com> writes:N > When you use $On Error Then Continue, and an error happens then the on error > setting has gone! E > Everty time an exception happens you have to redefine your on error 
 > definition!  > 8 > A nice, quick solution? Begin your DCL procedure with: > $RESET := ON ERROR THEN RESET  > $RESET  > Which destroys $STATUS.  The $ ON ERROR THEN CONTINUE doesn't.  9 If your goal is to avoid the default $ ON ERROR THEN EXIT * behavior, the clean solution is $ SET NOON   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 07:24:45 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: DCL Question 3 Message-ID: <iiwp$uDrCsyZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <43c45dcb.0207180805.49ffcb84@posting.google.com>, jcho888@yahoo.com (James) writes: E > Is possible to write a DCL batch file so when ever you encounter an 6 > error, just resume to the next command and continue?  -    Yes, of course it is.  Check out set noon.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 07:25:49 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: DCL Question 3 Message-ID: <ZORVqiQKt2B3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3D36ED92.FEF5EB78@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: < > Yes, and why (to be consistent with the rest of DCL) there# > wasn't any SET NONOON command :-)  >   E    The same reason there's no submit/tify or print/tify options.  8-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:02:33 -0600 + From: "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com>  Subject: Re: DCL Question 0 Message-ID: <000901c22f2c$ee7581a0$0a00a8c0@w2k>   From "OpenVMS DCL Dictionary",H http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/9996/9996pro_057.html#index_x_ 1188  E Use the SET NOON command to override default error checking. When SET H NOON is in effect, the command interpreter continues to place the statusG code value in $STATUS and the severity level in $SEVERITY, but does not @ perform any action based on the values. As a result, the commandG procedure continues to execute no matter how many errors are returned.     Last sentence says it all.   Ransom Fitch   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:56:29 +0200 2 From: "Frits A.M. Storms" <frits@storms.tmfweb.nl> Subject: Re: DCL Question ? Message-ID: <3d382d10$0$12293$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>   8 "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com> schreef in bericht* news:000901c22f2c$ee7581a0$0a00a8c0@w2k...  > From "OpenVMS DCL Dictionary",J > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/9996/9996pro_057.html#index_x_ > 1188 > G > Use the SET NOON command to override default error checking. When SET J > NOON is in effect, the command interpreter continues to place the statusI > code value in $STATUS and the severity level in $SEVERITY, but does not B > perform any action based on the values. As a result, the commandH > procedure continues to execute no matter how many errors are returned. >  > Last sentence says it all. >  > Ransom Fitch > . That last sentence does not impress me at all: e.g.= $ SET NOON ! disables the immediate exit when an error occurs  .  .  . G $ SET MESSAGE/NOFACILITY/NOTEXT/NOIDENT/NOSEVERITY ! we display our own  message # $ ASSIGN/USER SYS$COMMAND SYS$INPUT  $ SET PASSWORD $ succes = '$status'F $ SET MESSAGE/FACILITY/TEXT/IDENT/SEVERITY ! enable the standard error display a.s.a.p.$ $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO error_unknown. $ IF    .NOT. succes THEN GOTO status_'succes'0 $ SET NOON ! a.s.a.p. back to the original state $ GOTO program_exit  $error_unknown: 
 $ SET NOON# $ SET MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:CLIUTLMSG  $ message = F$MESSAGE(succes) 9 $! and this error gets to be mailed to the sys$mangler...  .  .  e.g.7 $status_268534196: ! %RMS-F-TMO, timeout period expired 
 $ SET NOON $ CREATE SYS$OUTPUT , Beeindiging wegens uitblijven van een ingave $! excuse my dutch. G $! Here you can go two ways : exit the script or try again and goto set  password   just my two eurocents...   Frits    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 10:58:13 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: DCL Question < Message-ID: <343f30ae.0207190958.bfe3b85@posting.google.com>  c "Ransom Fitch" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com> wrote in message news:<000901c22f2c$ee7581a0$0a00a8c0@w2k>...   > From "OpenVMS DCL Dictionary",J > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/9996/9996pro_057.html#index_x_ > 1188 > G > Use the SET NOON command to override default error checking. When SET J > NOON is in effect, the command interpreter continues to place the statusI > code value in $STATUS and the severity level in $SEVERITY, but does notsB > perform any action based on the values. As a result, the commandI > procedure continues to execute no matter how many errors are returned. p >  > Last sentence says it all.    - Except for at least the following exception!:      $ TYPE NOON.COMs
 $    SET NOONs $    GOTO _NOSUCHLABEL $    SHOW TIME   $ @NOONs
 $    SET NOONu $    GOTO _NOSUCHLABELN %DCL-W-USGOTO, target of GOTO not found - check spelling and presence of label $0    2 Even SET NOON is no match for GOTO _NOSUCHLABEL!!!  G There's also the disk failure error. Then there's the system crash. :-)    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman gfigroup comk   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:48:55 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: DEC 3000 HobbyistK Message-ID: <rdeininger-1907020748550001@1cust147.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>i  = In article <agvcgn$p35$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Chip Coldwelln# <coldwell@frank.harvard.edu> wrote:m  D >I'm a newbie to VMS who recently rescued a DEC 3000 - M300 from theE >trash with the intention of booting VMS on it using the Hobbyist CD.e ...'  C >When I got it, the DEC 3000 was running Digital Unix and booted upiE >just fine, so I'm pretty confident the hardware is OK.  When I triediD >to install from the Hobbyist CD, it complained that my firmware wasC >out of date, so I upgraded it (not without adventure).  Here's howt >things stand now: >  >>>> show config >r >DEC 3000 - M300 >Digital Equipment CorporationJ >     VPP PAL V5.56-80800101/OSF PAL V1.45-80800201 - Built on 28-JAN-1997 10:54:25.34s >o" >TCINFO      DEVNAM        DEVSTAT# >------      --------      --------lO >                 CPU      OK KN16-AA -V7.0-S889-I21F-sV2.0-DECchip 21064  P3.0l  4 Well, this much tells us the firmware is up-to-date.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2002 04:30 CDT-' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e= Subject: Re: Excellent Commerzbank OpenVMS public testimonial - Message-ID: <19JUL200204300676@gerg.tamu.edu>U  9 "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes...H< }is to serve the remote drives to the primary location using } 3 }Mass Storage Control Program (MSCP), a part of thee    B Not to be picky (well, OK - I am being picky), but the "P" in MSCP! stands for Protocol, not Program.-   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:01:59 -03002# From: "June Young" <jy@dymaxion.ca>e) Subject: filename argument in java on VMSa2 Message-ID: <b5UZ8.39243$Z6.467737@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22F0B.524ABA50m Content-Type: text/plain;f 	charset="iso-8859-1"w+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  F I just installed java on VMS and my test program takes a "directory" = name an argument.u  % The directory is at [.lucene_src.src]7   I tried:;  $ java org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles lucene_src/src=20eB %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer =
 parameters
  \LUCENE_SRC\-= $ java org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles [.lucene_src.src]=20rB %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer =
 parameters< $ java org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles "lucene_src/src"=20B %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer =
 parameters  \"lucene_src/src"\s   None of them work.  C Can any one tell me how to pass filename in to java program on VMS?t   Thanks,   
 June Young  + ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22F0B.524ABA50n Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"a+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable,  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =o charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR>f <STYLE></STYLE>p </HEAD>v <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>F <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just installed java on VMS and my = test program=20:2 takes a "directory" name an argument.</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>6 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The directory is at = [.lucene_src.src]</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I tried:</DIV> / <DIV>&nbsp;<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>$ java =w$ org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles=20J lucene_src/src <BR>%DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command = with=20 3 fewer parameters<BR>&nbsp;\LUCENE_SRC\<BR>$ java=20mI org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles [.lucene_src.src] <BR>%DCL-W-MAXPARM, =e too many=20 ? parameters - reenter command with fewer parameters<BR>$ java=20oH org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles "lucene_src/src" <BR>%DCL-W-MAXPARM, = too many=20o* parameters - reenter command with fewer=203 parameters<BR>&nbsp;\"lucene_src/src"\</FONT></DIV> 4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>@ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>None of them work.</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>B <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can any one tell me how to pass = filename in to java=20 program on VMS?</FONT></DIV>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>5 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>a4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>F <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>June Young</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22F0B.524ABA50--t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:07:13 +0000o2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>- Subject: Re: filename argument in java on VMSr4 Message-ID: <20020719140713.B20176@eisenschmidt.org>  e I may still be half asleep, but aren't you missing your classpath? Or rather, the classpath argument.i  \ What version of Java are you running, if it's 1.3.1 have you set the JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS?  % JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS now set to: -1r $ java -versiona java version "1.3.1"0 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionA Classic VM (build 1.3.1-3, 03/29/2002-10:47, native threads, jit)u $ java& Usage: java [-options] class [args...]            (to execute a class)e-    or  java -jar [-options] jarfile [args...]4"            (to execute a jar file)   where options include:   ..A     -cp -classpath <directories and zip/jar files separated by :>hG                   set search path for application classes and resourcest ..  B Unless the Voices are Mistaken, June Young (jy@dymaxion.ca) Wrote:X > I just installed java on VMS and my test program takes a "directory" name an argument. > ' > The directory is at [.lucene_src.src]n > 
 > I tried:; >  $ java org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles lucene_src/src yM > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer parameters  >  \LUCENE_SRC\ = > $ java org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles [.lucene_src.src] sM > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer parameterss< > $ java org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles "lucene_src/src" M > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer parametersv >  \"lucene_src/src"\d >  > None of them work. > E > Can any one tell me how to pass filename in to java program on VMS?. > 	 > Thanks,n >  > June Young   -- n/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> 6  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenM  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.asceD  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  O This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 11:46:46 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l- Subject: Re: filename argument in java on VMSr3 Message-ID: <7QfjPsfQmjqH@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  X In article <b5UZ8.39243$Z6.467737@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "June Young" <jy@dymaxion.ca> writes:
 > I tried:= >  $ java org.apache.lucene.demo.IndexFiles lucene_src/src=208D > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer = > parameters >  \LUCENE_SRC\3  9    Do a "show symbol java" and "show symbol/global java".f  D    It should be a lgobal symbol something like (assuming JDK 1.3.1):  1   JAVA == "$ sys$common:[java$131.bin]java$java "r  B    I'll bet someone stuck a "run" in their after the first $.  Put*    it back the way HP(Compaq(DEC)) had it.  F    If it's not defined as a symbol, then you're picking up the definedF    verb from an older java installation, and one that's bad, too.  YouG    need @sys$common:[java$131.com]java$131_setup in the system-wide, ors    at least your own login.com.o  2    Most likely I'll bet someone did a bad edit to A    sys$common:[java$131.com]java$131_setup.com after the install.Y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:44:30 -0400 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> 6 Subject: RE: Gartner hacked - should have been on VMS!: Message-ID: <OPEPIPEJGHNICIJKJFEAAEBMEPAA.dallen@nist.gov>  S 	I can't - they got us ;-) (not me personnally!) Maybe we should be running VMS ;-)s   	Dan   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Paul Sture [mailto:p_sture@elias.decus.ch]& > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:17 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm8 > Subject: Re: Gartner hacked - should have been on VMS! >  > j > In article <d7791aa1.0207181725.33caa656@posting.google.com>, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes: > > May 13, 2002  * > > Hackers Attack Public, Private Sectors > > By  Dennis Fisher  > > B > > A crew of hackers who claim an interest in protecting nationalF > > security remained at large last week after a round of high-profileH > > defacements that included government and bank Web sites as well as a" > > site belonging to Gartner Inc. > > B > > The Deceptive Duo early this month hit the Stamford, Conn., ITJ > > research company's site, mocking the kind of pronouncements with which; > > Gartner and other research companies make their living.  >   ^^^^^^^  > P > Well, I cannot in any way condone hackers, but I have to laugh at their choice > of target there :-)  >  > >  > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland8 >    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:09:43 +0000 (UTC)s" From: fulgor <fulgor@largeone.net> Subject: hobbyist installi/ Message-ID: <ah96j6$3cq$1@venus.btinternet.com>c  G I'm having problems booting the installation off the cd on pws au.  It  1 boots other cds ok though, e.g. the rh linux one.E  N Digital Personal WorkStation 433au5.e4.                                       # Console V7.2-1 Mar  6 2000 14:47:02O >>>show devoD dkb0.0.0.207.0             DKB0        TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B  1110D dkc0.0.0.1004.0            DKC0                       RZ2CC-KA  5520 dva0.0.0.0.1               DVA0L> ewa0.0.0.3.0               EWA0              00-00-F8-76-43-55D pkc0.7.0.1004.0            PKC0                  SCSI Bus ID 7  5.57> pqa0.0.0.107.0             PQA0                       PCI EIDE> pqb0.0.0.207.0             PQB0                       PCI EIDE >>>boot dkb0 (boot dkb0.0.0.207.0)n/ block 0 of dkb0.0.0.207.0 is a valid boot blocko& reading 896 blocks from dkb0.0.0.207.0 bootstrap code read in3 base = 1d8000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 70000e initializing HWRPB at 2000! initializing page table at 1ca000o initializing machine state# setting affinity to the primary CPUp jumping to bootstrap codeN    5     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-      # and then it just hangs. Any ideas ?6   TIAm   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:45:07 GMTg From: "H.Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: hobbyist install61 Message-ID: <DeYZ8.4877$Q4.52129@typhoon.bart.nl>m  L IIRC similar behaviour was recently mentioned in this group. The reason was,J grey hears permitting, that the block size of the CD-ROM drive must be set to6 512B. The default is usually 2 or 4 timess that value.  1 "fulgor" <fulgor@largeone.net> schreef in bericht ) news:ah96j6$3cq$1@venus.btinternet.com... H > I'm having problems booting the installation off the cd on pws au.  It3 > boots other cds ok though, e.g. the rh linux one.  >a) > Digital Personal WorkStation 433au5.e4.J% > Console V7.2-1 Mar  6 2000 14:47:02-
 > >>>show dev9F > dkb0.0.0.207.0             DKB0        TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B  1110F > dkc0.0.0.1004.0            DKC0                       RZ2CC-KA  5520! > dva0.0.0.0.1               DVA00@ > ewa0.0.0.3.0               EWA0              00-00-F8-76-43-55F > pkc0.7.0.1004.0            PKC0                  SCSI Bus ID 7  5.57@ > pqa0.0.0.107.0             PQA0                       PCI EIDE@ > pqb0.0.0.207.0             PQB0                       PCI EIDE > >>>boot dkb0 > (boot dkb0.0.0.207.0)21 > block 0 of dkb0.0.0.207.0 is a valid boot blocke( > reading 896 blocks from dkb0.0.0.207.0 > bootstrap code read in5 > base = 1d8000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 70000a > initializing HWRPB at 2000# > initializing page table at 1ca000  > initializing machine state% > setting affinity to the primary CPUn > jumping to bootstrap code  >  > 7 >     OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2p >n >  > % > and then it just hangs. Any ideas ?a >  > TIA  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:45:44 -0400:2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium serversyK Message-ID: <rdeininger-1907020745440001@1cust147.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   F In article <20020715161858.28800.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio) Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:r   >Just imagining: > 3 >As HP Itanium machines will run HP-UX and OpenVMS v. >in the same box (I hope) , and to mantain the5 >compatibility  of HP-UX environments, I imagine thatd5 >HP will develop a Lan Console for Itanium (for HP-UXr5 >use). So, it could be used for OpenVMS machines too.h > 6 >Anyone from the PA-RISC x Alpha x Itanium engineering  >here to answer my question ????  H Well, you've asked about this a couple of times, so it seems nobody here knows enough to give an answer.r  D Why don't you request future support for this kind of widget through> proper channels -- VMS product management and/or your friendly neighborhood VMS ambassador?  J IIRC, Compaq had a similar widget for the Intel boxes.  I don't know if it+ ever found it's way into any alpha systems.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:20:30 +0200c* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...i/ Message-ID: <3D38040E.9080300@brussels.sgi.com>b   Max Domeika wrote:  K > I actually had a hand in writing the art benchmark and this post hits theoN > nail on the head.  For this neural net simulation, an array of structures isE > the more natural choice when it comes to conceptualizing the model, K > extensibility in a university setting, etc.  Performance-wise we all knowYK > the answer.  My question is why shouldn't the compiler be able to do this$G > optimization for the customer?  I think if Sun is able to perform theA9 > optimization safely, they have pulled off quite a feat.p    J Because language semantics are such that such reorderings break most codesI that do not comply with a raft of restrictions -- and most don't. In someOF cases, I can even imagine that some optimisations might only work in aJ program that only mallocs and never frees anything -- hardly typical usage for malloc ;).  O You could, of course, argue for languages that have more restrictive semantics, I such that such memory reorderings would be transparent to programs -- buta+ then you're not really programming in C ;).t   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:19:11 +0000 (UTC)oA From: "Rupert Pigott" <dark.try-eating-this.b00ng@btinternet.com>l Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...I/ Message-ID: <ah974u$43j$1@venus.btinternet.com>D  7 "Alexis Cousein" <al@brussels.sgi.com> wrote in messagei) news:3D38040E.9080300@brussels.sgi.com...e [SNIP]L > Because language semantics are such that such reorderings break most codesK > that do not comply with a raft of restrictions -- and most don't. In somepH > cases, I can even imagine that some optimisations might only work in aL > program that only mallocs and never frees anything -- hardly typical usage > for malloc ;).  * You've led a very sheltered life Alexis...   Cheers,v Rupert   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:22:20 +0200lE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>o Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...n+ Message-ID: <3D382EAC.FF73F7AF@mediasec.de>h  K > I actually had a hand in writing the art benchmark and this post hits theCN > nail on the head.  For this neural net simulation, an array of structures isE > the more natural choice when it comes to conceptualizing the model,b. > extensibility in a university setting, etc.   J Well, maybe one of the problems is that people don't conceptualize enough.I It's amazing (and I speak from more than a decade of experience) how much E of this field degenerates into well-known things from linear algebra,0J statistics and dynamical systems when look more closely. And when you thenJ write down the maths properly, the array of structures disappears, and theL stucture of arrays appears...in the same vein, you suddenly get code that isK much faster because it is now cache-friendly instead of -hostile. And speede0 is a consideration even in a university setting.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:25:47 +0200 * From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...o/ Message-ID: <3D382F7B.8010409@brussels.sgi.com>n   Rupert Pigott wrote:  9 > "Alexis Cousein" <al@brussels.sgi.com> wrote in messageg+ > news:3D38040E.9080300@brussels.sgi.com...t > [SNIP] > L >>Because language semantics are such that such reorderings break most codesK >>that do not comply with a raft of restrictions -- and most don't. In some9H >>cases, I can even imagine that some optimisations might only work in aL >>program that only mallocs and never frees anything -- hardly typical usage >>for malloc ;). >> > , > You've led a very sheltered life Alexis... > L I said "never frees anything". I never implied there wasn't the "occasional"  J memory leak in many codes. And I've seldom seen code do this *on purpose*.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:35:08 +0200e* From: Alexis Cousein <al@brussels.sgi.com> Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh...t/ Message-ID: <3D3831AC.7010902@brussels.sgi.com>    Jan C. Vorbrggen wrote:  K >>I actually had a hand in writing the art benchmark and this post hits the"N >>nail on the head.  For this neural net simulation, an array of structures isE >>the more natural choice when it comes to conceptualizing the model,n. >>extensibility in a university setting, etc.  >> > L > Well, maybe one of the problems is that people don't conceptualize enough.K > It's amazing (and I speak from more than a decade of experience) how muchmG > of this field degenerates into well-known things from linear algebra,cL > statistics and dynamical systems when look more closely. And when you thenL > write down the maths properly, the array of structures disappears, and the > stucture of arrays appears...c    M I'd have to add that in some other fields, arrays of structures are sometimes I more cache friendly rather than less -- e.g. if you need all members of a.L structure at once. Esp. if your different arrays are dimensioned with powersM of two and you've forgotten to add padding in the structure-fo-arrays case...n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:23:50 +0200 3 From: Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@hda.hydro.com>s Subject: Re: McKinley Cometh... - Message-ID: <3D37BE86.CEAC9CAE@hda.hydro.com>g   Chris Ruemmler wrote: . [snipped art memory reorganization discussion]E > Unfortunately, in C, doing this type of optimization safely is very- > difficult, thusqN > many things disable the optimization.  I mentioned earlier that using "free"L > to deallocate the memory causes the optimization to not be enabled.  Also, [snip]G > Also, in Sun's case, the optimization only works for malloc'ed memory @ > and not for a data structure allocated statically in the code.  G This is the one part I really hate: To make it work you have to malloc,:% but then you must also skip the free!<  F This is guaranteed to make any reasonable lint or runtime checker very mad at you.r  F I.e. when I do this even for throw-away programs like the random orderG memory latency tester we've discussed recently, Boundschecker complainsV about memory leaks.r :-(i   Terjej  A PS. I really don't like to write code that cannot compile and run-E cleanly, with maximum warning level. If I have to do something reallyaE ugly, I'll disable the specific warning(s) around the offending code,x! and then re-enable it afterwards.M -- M  - <Terje.Mathisen@hda.hydro.com>@ "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:40:48 GMT  From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..com  Subject: Re: MQSeries>8 Message-ID: <gptfju8joo2csm2tipjsdnmdc0k5p67j3a@4ax.com>  E On 18 Jul 2002 08:46:40 -0700, mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin)  wrote:  E >I can't speak for MQSeries as we definitely don't have their source. A >However, the main problem is that the event flags being used are G >*common*, not local. Our code calls sys$ascefc to associate the commonrF >event flag cluster with the name we assign and then the code uses theG >flags within this cluster. Unfortunately, when the first call to MQ isDG >made, the MQ routine does *another* call to sys$ascefc and proceeds to-C >reassign the cluster and then to use the event flags. I eventually-E >found what was going on by poking around in SDA and I found that themE >name of the cluster would change as soon as the first MQ routine waso >called. >g3 >Unfortunately, I don't believe there is any way toa3 >programmatically(sp?) tell if a cluster is in use.l >p >Bill McLaughlin  * It's too bad associating with more than 2 * CEF clusters at one time, is not allowed.   + This possible interaction w/ 3rd party s/w O* is almost enough to make it worthwhile to , avoid using CEF's.   I would guess it's not & likely the vendor will have coded to  0 associate/deassociate their CEF coming into/out 2 of each && every call in their API that uses them.  4 I'd also often heard folks say, that if using CEF's * for more anything beyond something simple,0 that you'd be better off using the lock manager  routines to begin with ?   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2002 06:45 CDTr' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)r/ Subject: Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)Y- Message-ID: <19JUL200206455013@gerg.tamu.edu>d  5 LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie) writes... 4 }Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:J }   The CNN version of the story on CV77 ends with a chilling statement... } F }    http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/08/08/carrier.windows.idg/ }    CNN.com - Technology - L }    Futuristic Windows version to control aircraft carrier - August 8, 2000 } E }    "...The CVN-77 win is a key triumph for Microsoft in the defenseoK }    industry, because it sets the stage for the company's participation inyK }    the Navy's long-term, three-phase future carrier design program. "This G }    is not just the one ship. It will decide the architectures for theiI }    next three ships," Roach said. Microsoft's agreement also includes aWJ }    back-fit program for seven other carriers, bringing the total to 10." } G }So all U.S. nuclear aircraft carriers will be "upgraded" to Smart Shipn }control systems..3 }--Jerry Leslie   (my opinions are strictly my own)E  G Not for quite a while unless they are going to decommission some, whicheF may be the case (and even if they do, it will still be quite a while).  G The US currently has 9 or 10 nuclear aircraft carriers - call it 9 with I another on the way since CVN 76 (the Ronald Reagan) is not quite finishediG yet (it is currently scheduled for commisioning in May 2003 - which. If.F they build another 3 and "upgrade" 7 that leaves 3 of the current onesF unaccounted for. (There are also still 3 non-nuclear aircraft carriers in service.)  A They may decommision the USS Enterprise as it is already 41 yearsDF old (and will probably be around 50 when the CVN 77 is launched, whichH appears to the the expected liftime of a CVN) and the odd ship out - theG only nuclear carrier that isn't Nimitz class in the current fleet, it'snE slightly smaller but has a slightly larger crew than the Nimitz classi  ships - but that still leaves 2.  I I suppose the could decommission the Nimitz and the Dwight D. Eisenhower,lI which were the first 2 Nimitz class CVNs and are not outfitted quite likeaJ the others (one obvious thing is that they have fewer Phalanx CIWS mounts,D but even aside from that sort of thing each one built is upgraded inF design - the new CVN 76 has a bow that is a completely different shapeF than any of the others, and the island is different as well), but thatD would be cutting their expected life considerably if it was the sameI as the Ronald Reagan's expected service life (about 50 years). The NimitztA was launched in 1975 and is probably expected to last until 2025.   H The next one that they are talking about above, CVN 77, is also going toH be a Nimtz class ship and it is supposed to be the last of them. It, andH the other two they mention, won't be out and about for quite a while. ItK currently takes about 8 years to build an aircraft carrier after the design@G is ready, the money budgeted and the shipyard told to go ahead. I doubttF that the CVN 77 will float out of the shipyard in less than 9 years (9H assumes they start right after CVN 76 is commissioned next year and thatG it takes about the same amount of time to build) and the the CVNX 1 (astE the first ship of the next class is currently called) is likely to beg many years after that.  J By then, Windows might actually be sufficiently dependable for such a use.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:02:50 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>3 Subject: Re: Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)a) Message-ID: <3D380DFA.F191348D@127.0.0.1>    Carl Perkins wrote:  >  >... > L > By then, Windows might actually be sufficiently dependable for such a use.  D However, if VMS is marketed properly, a lack of faith in continually0 broken windows could turn around the situation.   F It's not a question of being good (dependable), is a question of being	 marketed.e   -- p? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot comS   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:04:29 GMTM# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>k3 Subject: Re: Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)MG Message-ID: <N%UZ8.36142$WsS.2016@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>-  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:19JUL200206455013@gerg.tamu.edu...- >4I > The US currently has 9 or 10 nuclear aircraft carriers - call it 9 with K > another on the way since CVN 76 (the Ronald Reagan) is not quite finished0= > yet (it is currently scheduled for commisioning in May 2003     L As I understand it, the carrier will use Windows 2000RR (for Ronald Reagan).  L It will faultlessly store all of your data, and then forget where it put it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:29:28 GMTg# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i3 Subject: Re: Naval gazing (Was: Re: VMS commitment)nH Message-ID: <I7XZ8.36375$WsS.25006@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:19JUL200206455013@gerg.tamu.edu...a > I > The US currently has 9 or 10 nuclear aircraft carriers - call it 9 withRK > another on the way since CVN 76 (the Ronald Reagan) is not quite finishedI= > yet (it is currently scheduled for commisioning in May 2003r    L As I understand it, the carrier will use Windows 2000RR (for Ronald Reagan).  L It will faultlessly store all of your data, and then forget where it put it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:46:11 +0200c- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>l/ Subject: Need 80' Fortran/VAX training materiald' Message-ID: <3D37DFDF.3D1A1D73@Free.fr>   M I urgently need a copy of this two documents: Programming VAX/VMS in Fortran,-O student guide and teacher guide. The last edition was in two thick red binders.B  5 I _swear_ that I will send them back im-me-dia-te-ly.    MANY thanks,   D. -- 02   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:03:21 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au03 Subject: Re: Need 80' Fortran/VAX training materiali5 Message-ID: <01KKAHX7K60Y000J3E@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>R   Didier Morandi wrote:g  F >I urgently need a copy of this two documents: Programming VAX/VMS in  Fortran,H >student guide and teacher guide. The last edition was in two thick red 	 >binders.s  L If you're trying to teach anyone Fortran (including possibly yourself), you K would surely be better off with Fortran 95.  This is not available on VAX, 0- since the decision was to stop at F77 on VAX.e  M Aside from on-line stuff, the best paper documentation that I know of is for -J CVF (actually it is a guide for Compaq Fortran on PC, VMS and Tru64).  It + mentions differences from VMS Fortran, etc.F  J If you are VAX only, the same LRM and Guide will still suffice if you can  whittle out the F90/F95 stuff.  G Since you are not a novice on VMS, is there anything specific you were i wanting to check?r   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:40:35 +0200i- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 3 Subject: Re: Need 80' Fortran/VAX training materialg' Message-ID: <3D3808C0.952E7CCB@Free.fr>l  1 What I did like very much in these documents was:e  @ the parallel teaching between Basic, Fortran (yes, 77) and CobolF the themes method: mailboxes, files, task to task comm, terminals, etc* the pedagogy (is this an English word? :-)  P I surely have to teach F90 but some of the code on which my "students" will workN has been probably extracted from these books, as the applications were written more than 20 years ago.   W And from the manuals, it will take me ages to "build" a training material from scratch.c   D.  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: > M > If you're trying to teach anyone Fortran (including possibly yourself), youiL > would surely be better off with Fortran 95.  This is not available on VAX,/ > since the decision was to stop at F77 on VAX.    -- o2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:03:11 +0100a( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS mentioned by HP in Itanium 2 article ) Message-ID: <3D37D5CF.A26C7BF4@127.0.0.1>g   John Smith wrote:a > L > You know that the shame of it all is that we are reduced to finding joy inG > the infrequent mention of OpenVMS in news releases and the occasionala
 > article. > N > Mentions of OpenVMS in a positive light should be occurring on a daily basisM > in the trade press and WSJ, et al., so much so that it becomes a non-event.-  H On CW360 I did a search on OpenVMS, and came up with 33 articles between today and July 1999.   Average of a mention a month.e  D One of the things that will silence the vocal critics will be if, as4 John says, NOT mentioning VMS becomes the exception.   -- o? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:43:53 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>d  Subject: Re: PHIGS - what is it?( Message-ID: <3D3841C9.2B920BC5@ohio.edu>  ) PHIGS is a graphics package, as I recall.    				RDP      Ransom Fitch wrote:l > E > Have inherited a system with "PHIGS-RUNTIME-USER" issurer/producer:h1 > "DEC".  I have no idea what this is.  Any help?  > 	 > Thanks,u > Ransom Fitch   --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:08:51 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)8 Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300/350 cards and OpenGL on OVMSK Message-ID: <rdeininger-1907020808510001@1cust147.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   D In article <f_FZ8.41$Ry3.811158@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  K >The 7500 is the Rv200, which we will be shipping when Marvel FRS's.  It isoH >an AGP card, so that isn't very interesting to most people with currentH >Alphas.  ATI is building a PCI card (well, they already had one, but itG >doesn't work in hot swap slots) and we won't see them until this fall.s  G One model of the ES45 has an AGP slot as well.  I think that's the only 3 opportunity for VMS users to use AGP at the moment.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:13:20 -0400R0 From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> Subject: PS or PDF outputu; Message-ID: <000001c22f36$d7f93c50$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>>  L Can anyone tell me what packages are available for creating PS or PDF outputK files from VMS?  We are looking at creating faxable invoices (including the   form ) from our VMS application.: any suggestions are welcome !!!  Other than move off VMS !   Thanks Hank Vander Waal  / VMS - is there anything that DARES to compare??a! Unix  - for hackers - by hackers!a You get what you pay for !   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 11:03:08 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e Subject: Re: PS or PDF outpute3 Message-ID: <XiZ1sgXdCH7Z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <000001c22f36$d7f93c50$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes: > N > Can anyone tell me what packages are available for creating PS or PDF outputM > files from VMS?  We are looking at creating faxable invoices (including the " > form ) from our VMS application.! > any suggestions are welcome !!!d  F I strongly recommend DEC Document, whose vendor is Touch Technologies,8 800-525-2527 from the US, 1-858-566-3603 from elsewhere.  J I have written 300 page manuals in DEC Document, patterned after the styleG of the VMS Documentation.  I have written longer technical reports in a(( style more appropriate for that purpose.  G I have also written one-page invoice-like documents whose contents vary G with each use, by creating a source file in a DCL command procedure andlF feeding the SDML source file to DEC Document.  I used DEC Document forE the formatting part and DCL for the heavy math (computing the date ofa the previous Sunday :-).  D Document, however, only creates Postscript, HTML and Bookreader.  To= convert the Postscript to PDF you would need another program.t  E Based on my years of experience with computers, however, I would alsoaH suggest for anything as crucial as an invoice you convert the Postscript# to a more reliable medium -- paper.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:33:20 +0200a' From: Bitnissen <bitnissen@hotmail.com>h Subject: Re: PS or PDF outputC8 Message-ID: <6ofgjuc0sar2lq6g0ebfm0rg3sd00mirgd@4ax.com>   Hi Hanke  ( Try http://www.visual.co.uk/Pcl2pdf.html  5 It can convert PCL files to pdf format and works finei  
 Best Regards    
 Jimmi Aakjaerl  6 On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:13:20 -0400, "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote:   >hM >Can anyone tell me what packages are available for creating PS or PDF outputtL >files from VMS?  We are looking at creating faxable invoices (including the! >form ) from our VMS application.h; >any suggestions are welcome !!!  Other than move off VMS !  >l >Thanks  >Hank Vander Waals > 0 >VMS - is there anything that DARES to compare??" >Unix  - for hackers - by hackers! >You get what you pay for !o >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:41:56 +0000 2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> Subject: Re: PS or PDF outpute4 Message-ID: <20020719164156.C20176@eisenschmidt.org>  Once you get the file is PS format, you can use Ghostscript or Acrobat to distill the file into a PDF. I don't know if there is a version of Ghostscript for VMS, but you could always use an NFS mount (or the like) and Distill it with a remote machine if that's what you need. We have a couple PDF robots in my office. If you're going to do that, and you plan to use Adobe Acrobat, watch the licensing.   N Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Larry Kilgallen (Kilgallen@SpamCop.net) Wrote:p > In article <000001c22f36$d7f93c50$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes: > > P > > Can anyone tell me what packages are available for creating PS or PDF outputO > > files from VMS?  We are looking at creating faxable invoices (including theo$ > > form ) from our VMS application.# > > any suggestions are welcome !!!n > H > I strongly recommend DEC Document, whose vendor is Touch Technologies,: > 800-525-2527 from the US, 1-858-566-3603 from elsewhere. > L > I have written 300 page manuals in DEC Document, patterned after the styleI > of the VMS Documentation.  I have written longer technical reports in au* > style more appropriate for that purpose. > I > I have also written one-page invoice-like documents whose contents vary I > with each use, by creating a source file in a DCL command procedure andnH > feeding the SDML source file to DEC Document.  I used DEC Document forG > the formatting part and DCL for the heavy math (computing the date of  > the previous Sunday :-). > F > Document, however, only creates Postscript, HTML and Bookreader.  To? > convert the Postscript to PDF you would need another program.t > G > Based on my years of experience with computers, however, I would alsoeJ > suggest for anything as crucial as an invoice you convert the Postscript% > to a more reliable medium -- paper.b   -- r/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>i6  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenM  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.asc D  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  O This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.htmll   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:10:41 +0100e# From: David Webb <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: PS or PDF outputC( Message-ID: <3D384811.5090801@mdx.ac.uk>   John Eisenschmidt wrote:  I > Once you get the file is PS format, you can use Ghostscript or Acrobat    H > to distill the file into a PDF. I don't know if there is a version of   K > Ghostscript for VMS, but you could always use an NFS mount (or the like)    @ > and Distill it with a remote machine if that's what you need.   H > We have a couple PDF robots in my office. If you're going to do that,   : > and you plan to use Adobe Acrobat, watch the licensing.     % Of course Ghostscript exists for VMS.o: For information on Ghostscript and how to obtain it see :-   http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/  
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     > P > Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Larry Kilgallen (Kilgallen@SpamCop.net) Wrote: > p >>In article <000001c22f36$d7f93c50$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes: >>O >>>Can anyone tell me what packages are available for creating PS or PDF outputNN >>>files from VMS?  We are looking at creating faxable invoices (including the# >>>form ) from our VMS application.I" >>>any suggestions are welcome !!! >>>tH >>I strongly recommend DEC Document, whose vendor is Touch Technologies,: >>800-525-2527 from the US, 1-858-566-3603 from elsewhere. >>L >>I have written 300 page manuals in DEC Document, patterned after the styleI >>of the VMS Documentation.  I have written longer technical reports in ai* >>style more appropriate for that purpose. >>I >>I have also written one-page invoice-like documents whose contents varytI >>with each use, by creating a source file in a DCL command procedure anduH >>feeding the SDML source file to DEC Document.  I used DEC Document forG >>the formatting part and DCL for the heavy math (computing the date ofa >>the previous Sunday :-). >>F >>Document, however, only creates Postscript, HTML and Bookreader.  To? >>convert the Postscript to PDF you would need another program.e >>G >>Based on my years of experience with computers, however, I would also J >>suggest for anything as crucial as an invoice you convert the Postscript% >>to a more reliable medium -- paper.e >> >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 07:13:53 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)d! Subject: Re: Removing Q-Bus Cards 3 Message-ID: <fEbdoV0Y8afQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  c In article <3D36C858.63806B32@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:  > 8 > Personally, if I had a system that was running now and7 > I didn't have a darned-good reason to mess with it, Ic4 > wouldn't! There's too much chance of any number of! > bad things happening including:a > 6 >   1. Damaging cables as you plug and unplug modules, > 7 >   2. Causing the 12 mm of collected dust to fall intoN  >      the backplane connectors, > 5 >   3. Accidentally changing DIP switches as you plugt >       and unplug modules, andp > 9 >   4. Screwing up the deliberate resetting of all of they9 >      DIP switches for the devices that you will have toi >       "move up"*.r  +    Aw, you just don't want to have any fun.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:49:01 +0530s5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> ' Subject: standard header files location1/ Message-ID: <ujg40t4oicji0d@corp.supernews.com>.   Hi  All;  J I have a small question. Where doI find stdio.h (or rather standard header file) in OpenVMS system?   Any help ??k   Thanks Sandeepu   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 15:29:42 +0200+ From: huber@vms.mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)t+ Subject: Re: standard header files locationc+ Message-ID: <sCVA5f9V6A7p@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>i  g In article <ujg40t4oicji0d@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes:r
 > Hi  All; > L > I have a small question. Where doI find stdio.h (or rather standard header > file) in OpenVMS system? > 
 > Any help ??e >  > Thanks	 > SandeepC >   J It depends on the C compiler product You have: VAXC,DECC (Compaq C), GNUC:  $ for DECC they are in a text library:   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]-   DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;11  N Depending on hwo You or Your system-manager has installed DECC, they maybe for inspection  in:h    dir sys$common:[DECC$LIB]   Directory SYS$COMMON:[DECC$LIB]   # INCLUDE.DIR;1       REFERENCE.DIR;1n3                                                       H If not use the LIBRARY command to extract modules from DECC$RTLDEF.TLB .   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:26:42 +0200 2 From: "Frits A.M. Storms" <frits@storms.tmfweb.nl>+ Subject: Re: standard header files locationl? Message-ID: <3d382615$0$12299$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>u  G > > I have a small question. Where doI find stdio.h (or rather standardc header > > file) in OpenVMS system?  * for GNU C it is in GNU_CC_INCLUDE:[000000]   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2002 17:45:54 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Y Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the  Management App - Message-ID: <87d6tkyrsd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % David Webb <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk> writes:-   > Nic Clews wrote:  a > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > >>Marc Van Dyck wrote:  D > >>>For all what we have tried, the simplest and most efficient wayC > >>>to control, configure and monitor an HSZ/HSG is still the goodyE > >>>old serial console, connected to a terminal server and monitored  > >>>by Console Manager.  D > >>>The new HSV, however, won't have a console line anymore (a very8 > >>>bad decision if you ask me) so SWMA will be a must.   > >>No serial console???!!!-   > >>HP: ARE YOU HIGH???!!!  0 > >>WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING???!!!    > >>...and where can I get some?  D > >>One thing's for sure - they won't be selling as many of those as, > >>they could if they hadn't screwed it up!  C > > David, the bad news is the Compaq ENSA stuff was/is moving this-E > > way.  When this stuff was being introduced, the presenter pointedn= > > out that the serial console you see won't be there in theiA > > production items, and a regular contributor to this list, didME > > point out and ask if (due to the fact it's based on a cut-down MSm; > > operating system) when a virus hit it, if data would be  > > unavailable.  iD > Probably true since a general virus probably wouldn't contain codeC > which would be able to interact with the management commands. Butt? > what about if you got infected with a remote-control trojan -nC > subseven , back orifice, netbus etc Is access to this cut down MSp- > operating system allowed over the network ?a  > It is that wonder of reliability and security, IIS... `Fucking) joking' was the words I used from memory.e  ! IBM still make good storage gear.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2002 18:16:10 GMT) From: wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte)lY Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Appl,? Message-ID: <3d38576a$0$12311$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>   W In <uhucju0bj4uor3onj3sf5c0icardv93nvn@4ax.com> Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:F  6 >On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:09:53 GMT, "David J. Dachtera" ><djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:t   >>Marc Van Dyck wrote: >>> C >>> For all what we have tried, the simplest and most efficient waylB >>> to control, configure and monitor an HSZ/HSG is still the goodD >>> old serial console, connected to a terminal server and monitored >>> by Console Manager.d >>> ; >>> The new HSV, however, won't have a console line anymoret? >>> (a very bad decision if you ask me) so SWMA will be a must.t >> >>No serial console???!!!  >> >>HP: ARE YOU HIGH???!!! >>. >>WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING???!!!  @ >Hey it does have embedded Windows though though so you can look >forward to that...8  E The HSV110's embedded PowerPC chip is definitely not running Windows.a  ) The SWMA is Win2K-embedded based alright.-   --' |   / o / /_  _   				wilko@FreeBSD.org-2 |/|/ / / /(  (_)  Bulte				Arnhem, the Netherlands   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2002 18:17:05 GMT) From: wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte)3Y Subject: Re: StorageWorks HSG controllers, do you use STEAM agents or the Management Appls? Message-ID: <3d3857a1$0$12276$e4fe514c@dreader4.news.xs4all.nl>o  K In <3D369A94.306A02DF@127.0.0.1> Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:p   >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:d >> c >> Marc Van Dyck wrote:  >> >D >> > For all what we have tried, the simplest and most efficient wayC >> > to control, configure and monitor an HSZ/HSG is still the goodsE >> > old serial console, connected to a terminal server and monitored  >> > by Console Manager. >> >< >> > The new HSV, however, won't have a console line anymore@ >> > (a very bad decision if you ask me) so SWMA will be a must. >> g >> No serial console???!!! >> s >> HP: ARE YOU HIGH???!!!- >> -/ >> WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING???!!!5 >> 0 >> ...and where can I get some?i >> @H >> One thing's for sure - they won't be selling as many of those as they& >> could if they hadn't screwed it up!  E >David, the bad news is the Compaq ENSA stuff was/is moving this way.rI >When this stuff was being introduced, the presenter pointed out that theeE >serial console you see won't be there in the production items, and a-  H The serial line is still there, but only for debugging. Not for customer use. --' |   / o / /_  _   				wilko@FreeBSD.orgo2 |/|/ / / /(  (_)  Bulte				Arnhem, the Netherlands   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:57:05 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: Re: TCPIP/UCX Version Information& Message-ID: <3D37B841.1060102@home.nl>   Nic Clews wrote: > Dale King wrote: > O >>Can anyone please provide any clues as to where the tcpip/ucx version and ECO1; >>level in the output of "$ucx show version" may come from?. >> >>Tia, >>Dale >  >  > $ MCR TCPIP$VERSIONS  . Exactly he same information can be obtained by   TCPIP SHOW VERSION /ALL    >  > or >  > $ MCR UCX$VERSIONS > " > (With thanks to 'Windy' Watson!) > 2 > Actually I think this complicates your question. > ? > PS. Dale, you could have asked in the daily voice conference!n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:09:43 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> A Subject: Re: Terminal Emu to MicroVaxII - typed characters effectt8 Message-ID: <02ifju8iuj66bmnk2kl6los3420hic6747@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:38:40 -0600, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:   >c5 >I find Kermit95 usually gives me the best emulation.04 >Hyperterminal (which comes with Windows) is a joke.  C The version of Hyperterm distrinbuted with Windows is intentionallyW! broken by Microsoft. If you go ton( http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe/index.html0 you can pick up a free personal edition upgrade.   >t; >> 2. I removed the old serial cable ( 20 meters long ) ande  >> took a short one ( 1 meter ).- >> About one hour production without effects.  >t3 >Does "no effects" mean the problem is still there?a > > >Try a different PC/terminal and see if it is your PC with the >problem and not the Vax.  >P; >Usually I find odd problems like this are usually due to ag' >broken ground wire (pin 7 on a DB-25).d >8B >> Then I switched the selector at the bulkhead from 9600 to 4800.$ >> Until now ( 4 hours ) no effects. >> a1 >> Maybe the malfunction of the vt340 damaged the  >> serial interface ?n >t< >On the MicroVax II motherboard there are two small 8-pin(?): >IC's  used to handle the serial port.  VT220's were noted> >for burning these out.  Sorry, don't know the numbers off the; >top of my head. Usually resulted in one-way communication. : >Haven't heard of a 340 burning them out, but maybe one of >them is damaged.f >eA >> 3. Now I am looking for a technician in germany to check that.  >> Hope I can find one.r >>   >> Any hints ? >a   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:21:20 +0100a( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: VMS commitmentu) Message-ID: <3D37CC00.D140C988@127.0.0.1>e   Jerry Leslie wrote:p > ; > Here's an update on the U.S. Navy "Smart Ship" program...o >  ...   .L > At least some PLCs are also used, per this description of the "Smart Ship" > system...c > / >    http://www.e-d-i.com/products_control.html ' >    SPD Technologies - Control Systems  > D >    "...The original MPCMS was physically removed from the ship andE >    replaced by 15 COTS Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) and 12-K >    Windows NT-based workstations. The workstations and PLCs are connectedsD >    via Ethernet to a fiber optic Local Area Network (LAN). The LANJ >    consists of five Automatic Transfer Mode (ATM) switches configured in@ >    a 155 Mbps full mesh, backbone. To enhance reliability, theE >    workstations and PLCs have redundant Ethernet connections to twoJ >    different ATM switches..."d > < >    "Sleep well, your nation is being guarded by Microsoft"  D I believe the "A" in ATM is for "Asynchronous", so not only are theyA running software from the incompetents, it has been installed and   'bragged' about by the clueless.   -- s? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesk nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 11:36:38 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: VMS commitment-8 Message-ID: <1mqfju42dlm1uhs1evhq65vdmcetjlg5jj@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:21:20 +0100, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:   >Jerry Leslie wrote: >> 1< >> Here's an update on the U.S. Navy "Smart Ship" program... >>   >... > M >> At least some PLCs are also used, per this description of the "Smart Ship"s >> system... >> f0 >>    http://www.e-d-i.com/products_control.html( >>    SPD Technologies - Control Systems >> iE >>    "...The original MPCMS was physically removed from the ship anduF >>    replaced by 15 COTS Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) and 12L >>    Windows NT-based workstations. The workstations and PLCs are connectedE >>    via Ethernet to a fiber optic Local Area Network (LAN). The LAN>K >>    consists of five Automatic Transfer Mode (ATM) switches configured inlA >>    a 155 Mbps full mesh, backbone. To enhance reliability, the F >>    workstations and PLCs have redundant Ethernet connections to two  >>    different ATM switches..." >> o= >>    "Sleep well, your nation is being guarded by Microsoft"m >dE >I believe the "A" in ATM is for "Asynchronous", so not only are they B >running software from the incompetents, it has been installed and! >'bragged' about by the clueless.d  D Not only that 155Mbps ATM is technology getting on for a decade old.? It's not obvious to me why you wouldn't want a Gigabit ethernet . backbone - or at the very least 622Mb/sec ATM.  @ Still at least they didn't say it stands for Auto-Teller-Machine   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2002 05:30 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) * Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup- Message-ID: <19JUL200205300476@gerg.tamu.edu>-  . "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> writes...4 }"Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message }> Alder wrote: 8 }> > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message, }> > > If you can login to SYSTEM, what does* }> > > "$ ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO say ? }> > }> > Several of these: }> > LOGIN FAILUREB }> > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command }interpreter }> > !AS }>< }> Any "Final status code:" in the that accounting entry  ?? }> } : }Not that I can see.  Here's one record from the output of }ACCOUNT/FULL/USER=TBRANSCO9   [...]9A }Queue entry:                         Final status code: 10D38024s }Queue name:
 }Job name:J }Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command interpreter  A As show, the final status code is (not too surprisingly) the codeo, that is equivalent to the final status text.   $ exit %xD38024m: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command interpreter !AS  E The 1 in the 8th hex digit at the left is the "suppress message" bit, # which is why you get no output fromh   $ exit %x10D38024t   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2002 05:41 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) * Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup- Message-ID: <19JUL200205412022@gerg.tamu.edu>n  1 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes...c
 }Alder wrote:p  } > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist) } >GD } > Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass aH } > chimpanzee, but I'm having difficulty understanding why user accountG } > setups are so difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from myp } > SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT file:0 } 6 }This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle.  E For us, perhaps. For him it is probably viewed as quite an annoyance.a  F }As a result, you may have run out of gblpages or gblsections, so that9 }all the normally installed images did not get installed.f  A Since the access controlls on DCL.EXE seem to be OK, this sort of = thing is my new guess too (either these or other parameters).h  I Here is a snip of something that will give info on these two parameters: >   $ say :== Write Sys$Output  
 $ say F$FAO(-mN         "There are !UL free global pages (largest contiguous block is !UL).",-A         'F$GetSYI("FREE_GBLPAGES"), 'F$GetSYI("CONTIG_GBLPAGES"))sN $ say F$FAO("There are !UL free global sections.", 'F$GetSYI("FREE_GBLSECTS"))  I If either of these is zero, or probably even just single digit, then oddsuE are good that you need more. I would suggest (this is not a sold "youfI should have this" rule of thumb, just a suggestion) that after the systemaI is started normally and everything works you should have at least 10 freeiI global sections and at least 100 free global pages in a contiguous block,d
 just in case.m  C It may not be SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXE that is not installed correctly atuD startup - it may be something that it needs. SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES.EXEF is a good candidate as it generally needs a relatively large number of= global pages - roughly twice as many as DCL.EXE on my system.r  1 $ install list/full/glo sys$library:dcltables.exe:  D To get info on that. You could also check the entire list of what isG actually installed against the list in SYS$MANAGER:VMSIMAGES.DAT (which 7 is a couple hundred things long) if you really want to.   E }What is needed to fix that is to review how to run AUTOGEN from the  H }System Management guide, and also review the installation requirements . }for the applications that you have installed. } " }Autogen should be first run with: } & }@SYS$UDPATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA TESTFILES } I }This will generate a file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT.  This should beAA }reviewed to verify that your edits to MODPARAMS.DAT are correct.m } D }Autogen will have analyzed your edits and made some suggestions and
 }warnings.F }Be aware that it might dissagree with some of the requirements of the }installed applications. }tH }Generally you will want to use a MIN_ prefix on quota parameters in theJ }MODPARAMS.DAT.  I do not use the ADD_ prefix because the MIN_ parameters 8 }or feedback will override them under normal conditions. } J }It may take several runs of AUTOGEN with the TESTFILES parameters to get  }  a "good" AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT.d  @ My suggestion is that after running it the first time, check theG report to see which parameters it increased. Then go into MODPARAMS.DAT0D and set MIN_param values for those that are even higher than the newI values by about as much as AUTOGEN raised them to get to those new valuesaF (so that you double AUTOGEN's suggested increases). Then run it again.D AUTOGEN tends to increase values in increments that are smaller thanD the difference between what they started at and what you were reallyF using (for those that expand dynamically) or seemed to need (for thoseD that don't) and it may speed the process up considerably if you skipE an increment or three, especially if the inability of users to log in C has prevented you from getting any work done - i.e. the load on theaD system has been lighter than it will be once it is running properly.D Once it is has been running well for a while the smaller adjustments. that AUTOGEN makes are appropriate for tuning.  F Another suggestion. Since you havn't had many processes actually doingI much, your page and swap files have probably not gotten much use. AUTOGEN J may therefore reduce their size, even though you probably don't want it to/ do so, if you do not add this to MODPARAMS.DAT:e  
 pagefile=0
 swapfile=0  ' This keeps AUTOGEN from modifying them.    }Then you can use: } & }@SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMS } 5 }and reboot to get the new parameters to take effect.  } C }If you search for AUTOGEN using your favorite search engine on theJ? }COMP.OS.VMS or ENCOMPASSERVE/DECUSERVE you will find a lot of o! }information about system tuning.o }  }-John   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:07:23 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> * Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup8 Message-ID: <v47gju4lcmmll6v04seicblmhi6bi6mnm8@4ax.com>  + On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:46:34 -0700, "Alder"o# <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> wrote:n   >OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist)s >lM >Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass a chimpanzee,eG >but I'm having difficulty understanding why user account setups are sooL >difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT >file:  C Given that all the suggestions so far don't seem to be helping, howTF about giving this account all privileges temporarily. Give it the sameD privs as SYSTEM (which you way works) and see if you can login. ThisF will at least allow us to narrow it down to a privilege problem or not (logical names perhaps).   >UAF> show alder >i/ >Username: ALDER                         Owner:dM >Account:  USERS                            UIC:    [200,201] ([USERS,ALDER])e= >CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLESi! >Default:  ACCOUNTS:[USERS.ALDER]  >LGICMD: >Flags: $ >Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri, >Secondary days:                     Sat Sun >No access restrictions E >Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     7e? >Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)  >(pre-expired)? >Last Login:  8-JUL-2002 08:11 (interactive),            (none)n >(non-interactive): >Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        64000: >Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0: >Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       150  JTquota:       4096: >Prclm:           8  DIOlm:       150  WSdef:         2000: >Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         4000: >Queprio:         4  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     16384: >CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:      50000 >Authorized Privileges:W >  NETMBX       TMPMBX >Default Privileges: >  NETMBX       TMPMBX >UAF>h >b8 >and here's the response to a login attempt by the user: >e >Username: alder
 >Password:4 >Error activating command interpreter SYS$SYSTEM:DCL >oK >Would someone please suggest a way to track down the source of this error?e >Thanks. >3 >Alder >1   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:32:02 -0700 * From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d383100$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   < "Phil Ottewell" <pxxo-i60l@dea.spamcon.org> wrote in message7 news:4ed35bd8.0207181614.4a703b5e@posting.google.com...f7 > "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> wrote in messagee' news:<3d370eca$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>...v > [snip]F > > Yes.  One of my earlier posts included all the protections set for DCL.EXEnL > > and DCLTABLES.EXE.  Both exist where they should, neither conflicts with at3 > > logical or symbol, and both have (W:RE) access.  >HL > One thing I can think of is to see what the logical SYS$SYLOGIN is defined as.e   $ show log sys$sylogin;    "SYS$SYLOGIN" = "SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)e  J > This is usually a command file, and if it is not accessible it will give errorsH > when non-privileged users log in. If the logical is not defined, checkG > SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM to ensure that it has the correct protection.   C > Also, try logging in with username TBRANSCO/NOCOMMAND in case thee3 > user's login command file is causing the problem.   L No there is no LOGIN.COM file.  This is a completely new account and nothing2 has been transferred to the user's home directory.   Thanks,N Alders   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:36:50 -0700>* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d383220$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>n   Doh.  Sorry to be so thick.o   Aldero    3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagei! news:3D37124E.5F0F13AA@aaa.com...> > Alder wrote: > > 7 > > "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messageb% > > news:3D370976.288C1C80@aaa.com...  > > > Alder wrote: > > > >lG > > > > > Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating commandA > > interpreterM > > > > !AS  > > >>? > > > Any "Final status code:" in the that accounting entry  ??h > > >t > >e > > Not that I can see.  >y2 > Well, it's there, "Final status code: 10D38024".3 > Now it takes someone more used to read these codeh > to de-compile it.s >f >s, > Well, I'm sorry to say, but I'm lost here. > 3 > Be sure to post the solution (if any :-) ) here !r >c > Byee > Jan-Erik.  >  >i >l > Oh well, can't stop... >f= > What about the other "privileged" accounts, such as FIELD ?	 >k< > Or try to make a new account by copying SYSTEM (with a new= > UIC) and then (if it initialy worked) delete it and re-copy29 > while changing one setting at a time, until you hit theR+ > error (or the user is equal to TBRANSCO).    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:01:25 -0700a* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d3837e3$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>r  8 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message$ news:3D377CEA.7020106@qsl.network...  7 > This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle.C  E I think the bigger puzzle is why I would think I could manage VMS :-)t  J I will go through the steps you suggest, but it will have to wait a day orL two unfortunately.  Thanks very much for taking so much of your time to help me wade through this :-)  F > It appears that the newly created process does not have privilege to! > access the command interpreter.   J > According to other postings in this thread, you have already checked the8 > protections for DCL.EXE and some of the related files. >fH > One reason could be that the full OpenVMS startup was not run, so that- > protected shared images were not installed.f >pI > Or one or more of the startup files / startup sysgen parameters are not I > set right, resulting in the protected shared images were not installed.e >rI > If the files for protected shared images are improperly protected, thene$ > a similar problem can be observed. >eF > A likely possibility is that applications have been installed on theI > system that are started up early that require more sysgen quota than isa > provided by default. >hG > As a result, you may have run out of gblpages or gblsections, so thath: > all the normally installed images did not get installed. >)E > What is needed to fix that is to review how to run AUTOGEN from the0H > System Management guide, and also review the installation requirements/ > for the applications that you have installed.  > # > Autogen should be first run with:  > ' > @SYS$UDPATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA TESTFILES  > J > This will generate a file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT.  This should beB > reviewed to verify that your edits to MODPARAMS.DAT are correct. >uE > Autogen will have analyzed your edits and made some suggestions and  > warnings.gG > Be aware that it might dissagree with some of the requirements of thet > installed applications.r >>I > Generally you will want to use a MIN_ prefix on quota parameters in theeJ > MODPARAMS.DAT.  I do not use the ADD_ prefix because the MIN_ parameters9 > or feedback will override them under normal conditions.9 >1J > It may take several runs of AUTOGEN with the TESTFILES parameters to get  >   a "good" AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT. >. > Then you can use:s >e' > @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMSS >t6 > and reboot to get the new parameters to take effect. >sD > If you search for AUTOGEN using your favorite search engine on the? > COMP.OS.VMS or ENCOMPASSERVE/DECUSERVE you will find a lot of " > information about system tuning. >  > -Johnr > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Onlyt >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:03:27 -0700t* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d38385d$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>l  6 "Paul Sture" <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote in message# news:kpZiNWbU3u0L@elias.decus.ch...t? > In article <3D377CEA.7020106@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg"" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > > Alder wrote:# > >  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist)  > >  >G > >  > Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass a K > >  > chimpanzee, but I'm having difficulty understanding why user account,J > >  > setups are so difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my" > >  > SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT file: > > 9 > > This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle.. > >@ > >  > UAF> show alder
 > > <snip> > >- > > Account looks reasonable.e > >v> > >  > and here's the response to a login attempt by the user: > >  >E > >  > Username: alder Password: Error activating command interpreter  > >  > SYS$SYSTEM:DCLa > >  >J > >  > Would someone please suggest a way to track down the source of this > >  > error? Thanks.e > >r: > > There appear to have been several suggestions already. > >_ > >  > Several of these:9 > >  > LOGIN FAILURE Final status text: %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL,M/ > >  > error activating command interpreter !AS> > >  > > >  > A few of these:5 > >  > NETWORK Process Termination Final status text:bD > >  > %SYSTEM-F-OPCCUS, opcode reserved to customer fault at PC=!XH > >  > > > H > > It appears that the newly created process does not have privilege to# > > access the command interpreter.o > >r >iI > Aha, that rings a few bells in my head. My bet is that the last AUTOGEN  waskG > aborted or failed prematurely, and SYS$MANAGER:VMSIMAGES.DAT was leftr
 > incomplete.s >"/ > Alder, can you please show us the output fromu >e > $ INSTALL LIST DCL /FULL >e   $ inst list sys$system:dcl/fuo  ) DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXE 5     DCL;1            Open Hdr Shared            Lnkblg*          Entry access count         = 3631,          Current / Maximum shared   = 5 / 17'          Global section count       = 1u   $d  I > I believe that John's comprehensive answer will probably get you there.  > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:19:01 -0700-* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d383c03$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>1  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:19JUL200205412022@gerg.tamu.edu...d3 > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes...e > }Alder wrote:k" > } > OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist) > } > F > } > Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass aJ > } > chimpanzee, but I'm having difficulty understanding why user accountI > } > setups are so difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my>! > } > SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT file:d > }n8 > }This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle. > G > For us, perhaps. For him it is probably viewed as quite an annoyance..  I Annoying, yes, but I'm stunned by the richness of John's reply and Carl'seH willingness to stick around for so long, especially since I probably did this to myself. :-(    >sH > }As a result, you may have run out of gblpages or gblsections, so that; > }all the normally installed images did not get installed.N >CC > Since the access controlls on DCL.EXE seem to be OK, this sort ofh? > thing is my new guess too (either these or other parameters).y >uJ > Here is a snip of something that will give info on these two parameters: >- > $ say :== Write Sys$Output >4 > $ say F$FAO(-lG >         "There are !UL free global pages (largest contiguous block isp !UL).",-C >         'F$GetSYI("FREE_GBLPAGES"), 'F$GetSYI("CONTIG_GBLPAGES"))q4 > $ say F$FAO("There are !UL free global sections.", 'F$GetSYI("FREE_GBLSECTS"))  >rK > If either of these is zero, or probably even just single digit, then odds G > are good that you need more. I would suggest (this is not a sold "yousK > should have this" rule of thumb, just a suggestion) that after the systemAK > is started normally and everything works you should have at least 10 freeoK > global sections and at least 100 free global pages in a contiguous block,  > just in case.a   Using your routines, I get:c  G There are 103984 free global pages (largest contiguous block is 71120). # There are 148 free global sections.X  E > It may not be SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXE that is not installed correctly atrF > startup - it may be something that it needs. SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES.EXEH > is a good candidate as it generally needs a relatively large number of? > global pages - roughly twice as many as DCL.EXE on my system.o >i3 > $ install list/full/glo sys$library:dcltables.exet   Here's what I get:  ) DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXEc4    DCLTABLES;77     Open Hdr Shared            Lnkbl(         Entry access count         = 394*         Current / Maximum shared   = 6 / 8&         Global section count       = 1  $                Owner:       [SYSTEM]3                Protection:  S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RE,W:REd             System Global Sections  / HOBBY$DKA0:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DCLTABLES.EXEt0  INS$82C782E0_001(06000000)              PRM SYS Pgltcnt/Refcnt=830/  260y$                Owner:       [SYSTEM]3                Protection:  S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RE,W:REn      F > To get info on that. You could also check the entire list of what isI > actually installed against the list in SYS$MANAGER:VMSIMAGES.DAT (which 9 > is a couple hundred things long) if you really want to.r >cF > }What is needed to fix that is to review how to run AUTOGEN from theI > }System Management guide, and also review the installation requirementsD0 > }for the applications that you have installed. > }l$ > }Autogen should be first run with: > } ( > }@SYS$UDPATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA TESTFILES > }sK > }This will generate a file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT.  This should beeC > }reviewed to verify that your edits to MODPARAMS.DAT are correct.r > }tF > }Autogen will have analyzed your edits and made some suggestions and > }warnings.H > }Be aware that it might dissagree with some of the requirements of the > }installed applications. > }mJ > }Generally you will want to use a MIN_ prefix on quota parameters in theK > }MODPARAMS.DAT.  I do not use the ADD_ prefix because the MIN_ parametersf: > }or feedback will override them under normal conditions. > }sK > }It may take several runs of AUTOGEN with the TESTFILES parameters to get ! > }  a "good" AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT.t > B > My suggestion is that after running it the first time, check theI > report to see which parameters it increased. Then go into MODPARAMS.DATaF > and set MIN_param values for those that are even higher than the newK > values by about as much as AUTOGEN raised them to get to those new valuesoH > (so that you double AUTOGEN's suggested increases). Then run it again.F > AUTOGEN tends to increase values in increments that are smaller thanF > the difference between what they started at and what you were reallyH > using (for those that expand dynamically) or seemed to need (for thoseF > that don't) and it may speed the process up considerably if you skipG > an increment or three, especially if the inability of users to log ineE > has prevented you from getting any work done - i.e. the load on theiF > system has been lighter than it will be once it is running properly.F > Once it is has been running well for a while the smaller adjustments0 > that AUTOGEN makes are appropriate for tuning. >eH > Another suggestion. Since you havn't had many processes actually doingK > much, your page and swap files have probably not gotten much use. AUTOGENeL > may therefore reduce their size, even though you probably don't want it to1 > do so, if you do not add this to MODPARAMS.DAT:e >U > pagefile=0 > swapfile=0 >e) > This keeps AUTOGEN from modifying them.t >  > }Then you can use: > }d( > }@SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA SETPARAMS > }e7 > }and reboot to get the new parameters to take effect.o > } E > }If you search for AUTOGEN using your favorite search engine on thet@ > }COMP.OS.VMS or ENCOMPASSERVE/DECUSERVE you will find a lot of# > }information about system tuning.o > }J > }-John >S
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:19:08 -0700o* From: "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3d383c0a$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>n  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:v47gju4lcmmll6v04seicblmhi6bi6mnm8@4ax.com...- > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:46:34 -0700, "Alder"r% > <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> wrote:n >  > >OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Hobbyist)l > >rC > >Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass az chimpanzee,mI > >but I'm having difficulty understanding why user account setups are sot8 > >difficult.  Here's a sample record for a user from my SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DATe > >file: >eE > Given that all the suggestions so far don't seem to be helping, howcH > about giving this account all privileges temporarily. Give it the sameF > privs as SYSTEM (which you way works) and see if you can login. ThisH > will at least allow us to narrow it down to a privilege problem or not > (logical names perhaps).  # UAF> modify tbransco/privileges=alln& %UAF-I-MDFYMSG, user record(s) updated UAF> show tbransco  F Username: TBRANSCO                         Owner:  Terrence Branscombe< Account:  USERS                            UIC:    [200,201] ([USERS,TBRANSCO])< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES# Default:  ACCOUNTS:[USERS.TBRANSCO]  LGICMD:o
 Flags:  Auditn# Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri + Secondary days:                     Sat Sunc No access restrictionsD Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     7> Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:  18-JUL-2002 22:23
 (pre-expired)m> Last Login:  8-JUL-2002 08:11 (interactive),            (none) (non-interactive)a9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        64000 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       150  JTquota:       4096o9 Prclm:           8  DIOlm:       150  WSdef:         2000 9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         4000i9 Queprio:         4  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     16384e9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:      50000p Authorized Privileges:I   ACNT         ALLSPOOL     ALTPRI       AUDIT        BUGCHK       BYPASSnH   CMEXEC       CMKRNL       DIAGNOSE     DOWNGRADE    EXQUOTA      GROUPH   GRPNAM       GRPPRV       IMPERSONATE  IMPORT       LOG_IO       MOUNTI   NETMBX       OPER         PFNMAP       PHY_IO       PRMCEB       PRMGBLrH   PRMMBX       PSWAPM       READALL      SECURITY     SETPRV       SHAREI   SHMEM        SYSGBL       SYSLCK       SYSNAM       SYSPRV       TMPMBX !   UPGRADE      VOLPRO       WORLDn Default Privileges:d   NETMBX       TMPMBXo  G Sad to report, DCL still cannot be activated after login to this or anyg other user account.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:31:00 -0400d- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> * Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup5 Message-ID: <ah9icl$r407s$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>d  5 "Alder" <MUNDDGNTDYTV@spammotel.com> wrote in messagef% news:3d383c0a$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca...  >...E > > >Sorry to pester this group with questions that would embarrass aY
 > chimpanzee,T >...  K After just reading through what has been going on here these last two days,i. you might want to rethink that opening line :)  % > UAF> modify tbransco/privileges=allY( > %UAF-I-MDFYMSG, user record(s) updated   Try this again but use2    UAF> modify tbransco/privileges=all/DEFPRIV=ALLI If you only say /PRIV=ALL then the user will not have the privleges until < after the login is complete and they do a SET PROC/PRIV=xyz.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.d   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.395 ************************<3d383220$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>n   Doh.  Sorry to be so thick.o   Aldero    3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in messagei! news:3D371u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    u    