1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 21 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 398       Contents:, Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS, Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS Re: Bill Hancock? " Consultant for SOAP project needed& Re: Consultant for SOAP project needed% Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows  Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question$ Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium servers$ Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium servers$ Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium servers> Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...)O I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS Multisessions) P Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS MultisessioP Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS MultisessioP Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS MultisessioP Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS MultisessioP Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS MultisessioP Re: Non-privileged file access broken - Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup setupsH Re: Non-privileged file access broken - Re: [Hobbyist] User accountsetupH Re: Non-privileged file access broken - Re: [Hobbyist] User accountsetup Re: OpenVMS Multisessions * outside user can't access host via network5 Re: PW600au problem (probably h/w) - long and tedious  Re: Terminal input from DCL  Re: TKZ60 SCSI ID $ Upgrading from 7.2-1 and latest ECOs VMS Alpha distribution Re: VMS Alpha distribution! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup ! Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:33:07 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>5 Subject: Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS . Message-ID: <3D39D712.1137CA7B@pressenter.com>   Dirk Munk wrote: > O > There is one or maybe two Oracle logicals you have to set. I will have a look I > monday at work which logicals they are. Oracle uses the default mailbox 8 > parameters from sysgen, unless these logicals are set. > O > The sysgen mailbox parameters are dynamic, so you can change them on-line and R > see what happens after you restart Oracle if that is an option. However when youK > change the values in sysgen, other processes may run out of their quota !  >  > Try this:  >  > $mc sysgen > sysgen>sho defmbx  > sysgen>help sys_para! > Sys_Parameters Subtopic? defmbx  >   , I'd like to hear about these logicals too...     Lyndon     --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:31:10 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>5 Subject: Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS . Message-ID: <3D39D69E.2B3C720A@pressenter.com>   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > J Stanley wrote:G > > Does anyone know where/if any white papers for Oracle 9i on OpenVMS E > > exist? I guess I'm really looking for system performance types of J > > issues. I know with the version Oracle 8.1.7, we really had to ramp up0 > > on CPUs and memory for the upgrade to occur. > > 
 > > J Stanley  > M > Standard problem with every new version of Oracle: more "talking paperclip"  > stuff, less performance.> > VMS specific things like fast IO were removed from Oracle 8.Q > You do know you can get a far better performance by increasing the mailbox size 6 > Oracle uses ? I would recommend 64 kbyte mail boxes.  E We increased the mailbox size per Oracle's suggestions, but then some B processes didn't have enough bytlm quota to do what they needed...G Namely, SYSTEM couldn't install ECOs later. I can't remember what I had F to set the BYTLM up to get the install to complete, But I think it was something like 400,000.      Lyndon   --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:46:00 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: Re: Bill Hancock?. Message-ID: <3D39DA18.2A94E098@pressenter.com>   Mark E. Levy wrote:  > N > Has anybody heard from Bill Hancock lately? I remember his sessions at DECUSN > many years ago. He should have been a comic. I'd love to get my hands on one > of his books...  >  > Mark Levy  > SMA   G I remember one of his DECUS speaches too... I haven't laughed that hard  in a long time...   E I remember his "stupid user tricks". And I even gave him a new one...   9 "My computer only types capital letters... what's wrong?"   . I wonder if he ever added that to his list....       Lyndon   --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:14:27 -0400 # From: "Hal Kuff" <kuff@comcast.net> + Subject: Consultant for SOAP project needed O Message-ID: <59F72EDB35901EB4.6A064AB353F0D6C6.E3B4ACB000488B34@lp.airnews.net>   F Anyone out there have an OpenVMS system placing a file on a remote webG service via SOAP/SSL ? Looking for someone to setup environment and job  control for this remotely.   ---Kuff at tessco dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:42:07 -0500 ( From: Rich Jordan <duodec@speakeasy.net>/ Subject: Re: Consultant for SOAP project needed , Message-ID: <3D3A57BF.6010607@speakeasy.net>  F What a coincidence.  My company is doing some proof of concept on the ? same thing for a customer; I had a thread going here about ssl  I certificates and the like.  Sorry we're not in a position to sell skills  F we're in the process of learning (shh!  don't tell the sales staff!). C Our test code (which hasn't actually sent anything yet since we're  ? waiting for valid test data; just done some of the preliminary  E connection and verification work) is taken straight from some of the  I cURL and OpenSSL example code.  No SOAP.  cURL appears to be a nice tool  F so far, but it abstracts you from the lower (SSL) layers, leaving the G need to work with the lower level routines in order to do the security  5 specific stuff the vendor we have to work with wants.   G Good luck.  We may be looking for someone to assist also (chicagoland).    Rich Jordan  CCS    Hal Kuff wrote: H > Anyone out there have an OpenVMS system placing a file on a remote webI > service via SOAP/SSL ? Looking for someone to setup environment and job  > control for this remotely. >  > ---Kuff at tessco dot com  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:35:32 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> . Subject: Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows* Message-ID: <3D39A90F.3020108@qsl.network>   Tom Adams wrote:2 > Will CYGWIN/FREE86 work with VMS and DecWindows?  E I have no idea what CYGWIN/FREE86 is.  I will assume that XFREE86 is   what you mean from your title.  , > How can they be configured to communicate?  G Usually through TCP/IP.  OpenVMS also supports LAT and Decnet for X-11.   , > Can it be done with and without Pathworks?  = I do not know if the Pathworks32 client will interoperate on  H CYGWIN/XFREE86.  It is possible that XFREE86 can use the DECNET and LAT F provided by Pathworks32.  Given that most X-11 implementations that I I have seen are TCP/IP only, I would tend to expect that XFREE86 would not   use Pathworks32.  @ Pathworks Server of course is not needed, but given the correct I licenses, and a client that understands how to connect, could be used to   serve the files.   > How is it done each way?  6 The OpenVMS documentation can be found at a link from  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  ( I have no idea about the CYGWIN/XFREE86.   > Thanks for any input.   
 Your welcome.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2002 14:22 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)  Subject: Re: DCL Question - Message-ID: <20JUL200214224340@gerg.tamu.edu>   1 Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes...  }Larry Kilgallen wrote:  }>  Q }> I am really annoyed when I find a batch job that exits with a false "success". , }> It totally messes up SUBMIT/RETAIN=ERROR. }  }$ on warning then exit $status  }  }? }  }D.   B You just missed the whole point of the exercise. The original postB asked for a way to have a batch job keep going when it had errors.( Exiting is not a good way to keep going.  F Just because it keeps going until the end, doesn't mean you don't want/ to know about what errors it had getting there.   C Rather than just saving the last one, it may be desireable to check D the severity and only replace the saved status value if the severityD is "worse" than the already set value (the value would presumably beB initialized to 1 = generic success). An even number severity wouldC replace any lower numbered saved status, but an odd valued severity F should probably only replace lower status values if they are also odd.) All of them should be written to the log.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2002 21:03:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: DCL Question 3 Message-ID: <Kna7yGqbsPHO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <20JUL200214224340@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:   E > Rather than just saving the last one, it may be desireable to check F > the severity and only replace the saved status value if the severityF > is "worse" than the already set value (the value would presumably beD > initialized to 1 = generic success). An even number severity wouldE > replace any lower numbered saved status, but an odd valued severity H > should probably only replace lower status values if they are also odd.+ > All of them should be written to the log.   E I actually do that, but an argument against it is that only one error G can be reported so if there is even a single error the whole log should  be examined.  E But the actual reason I posted something that only preserves the last $ error was for clarity of exposition.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:05:14 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>- Subject: Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium servers @ Message-ID: <20020720220514.63710.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   Robert    / The Lan Console is a default hardware in the HP  PA-RISC 1 machines. I think with the future of migration of 4 PA-RISC to Itanium, this hardware will be integrated6 in the Itanium High End Servers. So, as I am imaginig,6 if these machines will run OVMS and HP-UX (I will name4 GSSD - GS Super Dome), I hope this hardware will be 2 ported. It is a good hardware for managing servers3 remotely, or when you have hubdreds of servers in a 5 rack and just one LCD to share with the team. You can # connect to the server by Telnet....   . If it is possible for me to ask this to the HP engineering, tell me how :-)      & Nobody here works with HP PA-RISC ????   Reg    FC          0 --- Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote: > In article > 5 <20020715161858.28800.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>,  > Fabio + > Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:  >  > >Just imagining: > > 5 > >As HP Itanium machines will run HP-UX and OpenVMS  0 > >in the same box (I hope) , and to mantain the2 > >compatibility  of HP-UX environments, I imagine > that1 > >HP will develop a Lan Console for Itanium (for  > HP-UX 2 > >use). So, it could be used for OpenVMS machines > too. > > , > >Anyone from the PA-RISC x Alpha x Itanium
 > engineering " > >here to answer my question ???? > 5 > Well, you've asked about this a couple of times, so  > it seems nobody here! > knows enough to give an answer.  > 4 > Why don't you request future support for this kind > of widget through 2 > proper channels -- VMS product management and/or > your friendly  > neighborhood VMS ambassador? > 1 > IIRC, Compaq had a similar widget for the Intel  > boxes.  I don't know if it- > ever found it's way into any alpha systems.      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:34:19 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium servers K Message-ID: <rdeininger-2007022334190001@1cust151.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   F In article <20020720220514.63710.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio) Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:    >Robert  > 0 >The Lan Console is a default hardware in the HP >PA-RISC2 >machines. I think with the future of migration of5 >PA-RISC to Itanium, this hardware will be integrated 7 >in the Itanium High End Servers. So, as I am imaginig, 7 >if these machines will run OVMS and HP-UX (I will name 5 >GSSD - GS Super Dome), I hope this hardware will be  3 >ported. It is a good hardware for managing servers 4 >remotely, or when you have hubdreds of servers in a6 >rack and just one LCD to share with the team. You can$ >connect to the server by Telnet.... > / >If it is possible for me to ask this to the HP  >engineering, tell me how :-)   C As has been explained here before, engineers don't decide what gets H supported on VMS.  That is the role of VMS product managers.  I've neverC seen any sign that product managers participate in this newsgroup.  E Wishing for VMS support for a particular widget, here in comp.os.vms,  isn't likely to do much good.   H You, as a VMS customer, can communicate your VMS needs to the managementG folks who make the decisions.  One way to start such a communication is J through your VMS ambassador.  Ambassadors should be able to find the rightH person within VMS (or the rest of HP) to deal with your suggestion.  I'mF almost certain there is at least one VMS ambassador in Brazil.  If youH don't know or can't find your ambassador, or he/she doesn't respond, youF can contact Susan Skonetski directly. Another possible contact is yourJ local VMS-aware HP salescritter, if you are lucky enough to have one.  AndH if your local HP salescritter isn't VMS-aware, you should complain about that!     ' >Nobody here works with HP PA-RISC ????   J This is comp.os.vms.  Why would we expect a bunch of PA-RISC experts here?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:41:28 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>- Subject: Re: HP Lan Console x Itanium servers C Message-ID: <I3q_8.200927$Bt1.10733564@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message E news:rdeininger-2007022334190001@1cust151.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net...    ...   E > As has been explained here before, engineers don't decide what gets > > supported on VMS.  That is the role of VMS product managers.  : Oh, dear.  No wonder both companies went down the crapper.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:10:42 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>G Subject: Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...) C Message-ID: <6tj_8.190475$iX5.10017700@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   0 "David Webb" <d.webb@mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message" news:3D399C12.3020307@mdx.ac.uk...   ...   G > My understanding was that VMS snapshot services and Tru64 cloning did  > pretty much the same thing.  > E > 1) Take a copy of the metadata of the volume. This metadata records G > which blocks are in use on the volume and which files are using which 	 > blocks. H > Recording this information takes up very little additional disk space.  J But does require freezing the metadata while copying it.  On a file systemK using centralized metadata management, this is relatively trivial.  On VMS,l= it requires locking all the metadata in a distributed manner.c  F 1.  The in-use (allocation-bitmap-related) metadata is pre-distributedA around the cluster so that nodes in most cases won't have performoL distributed operations to acquire needed space.  So locking it down and thenA copying it is a distributed operation of at least some additionals complexity.)  G 2.  The control of any currently-accessed file mapping metadata is alsosG distributed around the cluster, so again locking it down and copying itVJ involves first informing all nodes not to take out any new exclusive locksF on the metadata, then recalling any already-held exclusive locks, thenJ performing the copy operation, and finally returning to normal operation -; again introducing noticeable additional complexity over therL centrally-managed case.  The hierarchical nature of the DLM *may* allow someH of this complexity to be avoided by taking out some kind of over-archingL higher-level shared lock covering all the metadata (and letting the internalK DLM mechanisms handle some of the complexity) - but unless the semantics ofsI such an approach are already consistent with the way distributed metadataoC management already works it would still entail significant changes.6  J Of course, it's also possible to snapshot a volume at the disk-block levelH rather than the file system level (which is of course how hardware-levelG snapshots work), avoiding all such metadata-coordination issues (thoughUL unless you've got a handy spare disk to keep old images on managing on-goingL allocation activity is tricky or requires fixed snapshot-space preallocationJ that limits flexibility).  But I don't believe that's how Tru64 cloning is: implemented, hence it's not applicable to this discussion.   >eF > 2) As time goes on whenever a block is first updated on the originalH > volume take a copy of that original block and alter the clone metadata  > to point at this copied block.  E Again, a distributed operation (since both metadata and user data areoJ handled in a distributed manner).  On a system where metadata is centrallyG controlled, one can just add appropriate interactions with the metadatamC server to normal block-update procedures, whereas on VMS additionalpE distributed clone metadata management must be implemented (since it's H entirely feasible for multiple nodes to want to update the same metadata blocks at the same time).m  H > Hence overtime as the original volume changes more and more blocks areG > copied and hence the snapshot/clone takes up more and more diskspace.y >nH > I don't really see why a VMS style cluster should be at a disadvantage9 > as compared with a Tru64 style cluster in this process.n  H More distributed operation is not necessarily a disadvantage.  But it isH necessarily different, which is why approaches suitable for NT and Tru64B clusters are not necessarily easily transferrable to VMS clusters.   >eD >   One thing I do recall which might have unnecessarily complicatedI > things was that the VMS Snapshot services was intended to allow for thew@ > creation of writeable snapshots as well as readonly snapshots.E > I recall that it was suggested that this would be of use during Y2K @ > testing. Myself I never saw much point to writeable snapshots.  F It does not add dramatic implementation effort to supporting read-onlyH snapshots, if designed in from the start.  And it is a selling point forJ those systems (EMC and StorageTek hardware, for example) that support it -J e.g., some consider it useful for 'what-if' experiments that don't requireK either a second system or quiescing the primary system to execute them.  It D is a more interesting challenge to integrate writable snapshots intoB log-structured storage (Spiralog having been mentioned), since theI characteristics (linearly increasing time in the log) that easily supporta: read-only snapshots don't as easily support writable ones.   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:09:01 -0700 (PDT)d. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>X Subject: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS Multisessions)@ Message-ID: <20020720220901.63975.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>  / I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!!m4 When will be possible to run graphical applications  easily from OVMS servers ?    3 May be a port of Citrix Metaframe to create virtuale( graphic devices should help in this. :-)   Regards    FC b  --- Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote:0 > You can also use BOSS (available free w/src on > sigtapes or Hunter Goatley's3 > site) for similar function, fullscreen. SWiM doeso > the multisession thing6 > with SMG and text windows. Much more computationally > expensive but if3 > using machines faster than vax11/750, it is fine.M >  >  > Sue Skonetski wrote:6 > > I just received this from one of our Partners, you > are actually5 > > getting this BEFORE the OpenVMS Ambassadors (I am  > working at home on a5 > > PC and my distribution list in on a VMS system at  > work and the PC hasb > > some problems). ;')n > > 3 > > DO MANY THINGS AT ONCE ON YOUR OPEN VMS SYSTEM -
 > >  With  > > MultiSessions    > > 4 > >  Allows up to 10 sessions on each VT terminal or > PC using terminalo1 > > emulation. Uses only one VMS license. Hot-KeyB > between sessions. Much4 > > quicker than pointing and clicking and uses less > resources plus you4 > > don't have to search your task bar to figure out > which session you aren5 > > looking for. MultiSessions automatically repaintsf > screen on switching 
 > > sessions.- > > 5 > > "Our Company has been using Multisessions in fourm > different locationsp6 > > for over four years. Multisessions allows us to to > have the quote, 5 > > inventory and job order screens at our fingertips  > without having tos4 > > continually open and close sessions. We can also > run major reports ande3 > > programs without tying up the station doing ther > job".a& > > Equipment and Accessories Company. > > 3 > > "Multisessions has made our computing time more  > efficient andi6 > > productive. Now users have as many screeens active > at once as theyd. > > need. Multisessions has made our computing > environment more efficient4 > > and I would recommend it to any other VMS site"./ > > System Manager, Truck and Utility Equipment  > Manufacturer > >   5 > > "The original evaluation was done using a heavily  > overloaded machine.o0 > > The biggest difference in performance became > apparent during peak loadh6 > > periods. When running Multisessions the screen I/O > rate was about the6 > > same as when no windowing product was  being used. > When running the5 > > other products it took about 10 times as long foro > a full screen  > > update". > > ( > > Download Free 30-Day Trial Version:  > > www.networkingdynamics.com > > or call 1-800-ASK-NDC1 > > (1-800-275-6321) >  >      =====- ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:17:12 +0000o2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS Multisession4 Message-ID: <20020720221712.B25421@eisenschmidt.org>   DEC Windows Fabio, DEC Windows.Y  J Once upon a time, I had a job description that included rebooting the Met=J aframe Farm. Sad, but true. Metaframe is a fantastic app, but I think it = has a very narrow application.  J In the mean time, consider Sun Rays. That's what the new HP needs to brin=J g us for OpenVMS -- graphical Java dumb terminals. Err...graphical ADA an=! d PL/I dumb terminals perhaps.=20   J Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Fabio Cardoso (fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br) = Wrote:1 > I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!!.8 > When will be possible to run graphical applications=20 > easily from OVMS servers ?=20e >=205 > May be a port of Citrix Metaframe to create virtual-* > graphic devices should help in this. :-) >=20	 > Regards  >=20 > FC=20." > --- Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote:2 > > You can also use BOSS (available free w/src on  > > sigtapes or Hunter Goatley's5 > > site) for similar function, fullscreen. SWiM doese > > the multisession thing8 > > with SMG and text windows. Much more computationally > > expensive but if5 > > using machines faster than vax11/750, it is fine.e > >=20 > >=20 > > Sue Skonetski wrote:8 > > > I just received this from one of our Partners, you > > are actually7 > > > getting this BEFORE the OpenVMS Ambassadors (I amn > > working at home on a7 > > > PC and my distribution list in on a VMS system ate > > work and the PC has  > > > some problems). ;')t > > >=207 > > > DO MANY THINGS AT ONCE ON YOUR OPEN VMS SYSTEM=20y > > >  With=20 > > > MultiSessions =20d > > >=206 > > >  Allows up to 10 sessions on each VT terminal or > > PC using terminalu3 > > > emulation. Uses only one VMS license. Hot-Keyg > > between sessions. Much6 > > > quicker than pointing and clicking and uses less > > resources plus you6 > > > don't have to search your task bar to figure out > > which session you arel7 > > > looking for. MultiSessions automatically repaints- > > screen on switching- > > > sessions.l > > >=207 > > > "Our Company has been using Multisessions in four  > > different locationso8 > > > for over four years. Multisessions allows us to to > > have the quote,07 > > > inventory and job order screens at our fingertipss > > without having tot6 > > > continually open and close sessions. We can also > > run major reports andl5 > > > programs without tying up the station doing the"	 > > job". ( > > > Equipment and Accessories Company. > > >=205 > > > "Multisessions has made our computing time more  > > efficient ande8 > > > productive. Now users have as many screeens active > > at once as theyo0 > > > need. Multisessions has made our computing > > environment more efficient6 > > > and I would recommend it to any other VMS site".1 > > > System Manager, Truck and Utility Equipmentr > > Manufacturer
 > > >  =207 > > > "The original evaluation was done using a heavilyh > > overloaded machine.s2 > > > The biggest difference in performance became > > apparent during peak load-8 > > > periods. When running Multisessions the screen I/O > > rate was about the8 > > > same as when no windowing product was  being used. > > When running the7 > > > other products it took about 10 times as long for2 > > a full screen  > > > update". > > >=20, > > > Download Free 30-Day Trial Version:=20  > > > www.networkingdynamics.com > > > or call 1-800-ASK-NDC1 > > > (1-800-275-6321) > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DrK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=a =3D=3D > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brK > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=t =3D=3D >=204 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?* > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com    --=20h/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>e6  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenJ  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt= ascaD  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  J This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.e= n.html   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 15:34:54 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS Multisessior@ Message-ID: <20020720223454.52266.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   Ok Johno    I agree with you at this time !   0 But HP will not makr an agreement to port SunRay/ software to OVMS, because HP (Compaq) needs to  	 sell PCs.e     Regardss   FC f0 --- John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org> wrote:! > DEC Windows Fabio, DEC Windows.r > 0 > Once upon a time, I had a job description that1 > included rebooting the Metaframe Farm. Sad, bute4 > true. Metaframe is a fantastic app, but I think it  > has a very narrow application. > 6 > In the mean time, consider Sun Rays. That's what the3 > new HP needs to bring us for OpenVMS -- graphicala3 > Java dumb terminals. Err...graphical ADA and PL/I_ > dumb terminals perhaps.  > / > Unless the Voices are Mistaken, Fabio Cardosoe# > (fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br) Wrote:o3 > > I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! * > > When will be possible to run graphical > applications b > > easily from OVMS servers ? a > > / > > May be a port of Citrix Metaframe to create0	 > virtual0, > > graphic devices should help in this. :-) > >  > > Regards5 > >  > > FC w$ > > --- Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote:4 > > > You can also use BOSS (available free w/src on" > > > sigtapes or Hunter Goatley's2 > > > site) for similar function, fullscreen. SWiM > does > > > the multisession thing* > > > with SMG and text windows. Much more > computationallyE > > > expensive but if1 > > > using machines faster than vax11/750, it is- > fine.l > > >  > > >  > > > Sue Skonetski wrote:6 > > > > I just received this from one of our Partners, > you  > > > are actually6 > > > > getting this BEFORE the OpenVMS Ambassadors (I > am > > > working at home on a6 > > > > PC and my distribution list in on a VMS system > at > > > work and the PC has  > > > > some problems). ;')l > > > > 6 > > > > DO MANY THINGS AT ONCE ON YOUR OPEN VMS SYSTEM >  > > > >  With  > > > > MultiSessions  s > > > > 5 > > > >  Allows up to 10 sessions on each VT terminalt > or > > > PC using terminaln5 > > > > emulation. Uses only one VMS license. Hot-Keyc > > > between sessions. Much3 > > > > quicker than pointing and clicking and uses  > less > > > resources plus you4 > > > > don't have to search your task bar to figure > outw > > > which session you arei0 > > > > looking for. MultiSessions automatically
 > repaints > > > screen on switchingn > > > > sessions.  > > > > 4 > > > > "Our Company has been using Multisessions in > four > > > different locations 4 > > > > for over four years. Multisessions allows us > to tor > > > have the quote,,. > > > > inventory and job order screens at our > fingertips > > > without having to-3 > > > > continually open and close sessions. We cane > also > > > run major reports andt3 > > > > programs without tying up the station doing  > theN > > > job".r* > > > > Equipment and Accessories Company. > > > > 2 > > > > "Multisessions has made our computing time > more > > > efficient and-3 > > > > productive. Now users have as many screeens  > active > > > at once as theyu2 > > > > need. Multisessions has made our computing  > > > environment more efficient1 > > > > and I would recommend it to any other VMS< > site".3 > > > > System Manager, Truck and Utility Equipment0 > > > Manufacturer
 > > > >   1 > > > > "The original evaluation was done using ai	 > heavilyf > > > overloaded machine. 4 > > > > The biggest difference in performance became > > > apparent during peak load 6 > > > > periods. When running Multisessions the screen > I/O- > > > rate was about the4 > > > > same as when no windowing product was  being > used.b > > > When running the5 > > > > other products it took about 10 times as longe > forS > > > a full screen  > > > > update". > > > > , > > > > Download Free 30-Day Trial Version: " > > > > www.networkingdynamics.com > > > > or call 1-800-ASK-NDC1 > > > > (1-800-275-6321) > > >  > > >  > >  > > 	 > > =====n > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > > 6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!?, > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.comp >  > -- n1 > John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>n >  Homepage URL    |% > http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen  >  GPG Public Key  | >t9 http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidtasce2 >  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E > 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2s > " > This mail is an attachment? Read. http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.html     =====n ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilf fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:33:50 +0200c From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS Multisessioa& Message-ID: <3D3A016E.1040900@home.nl>  M Unless I'm mistaken, Citrix is a workaround to change a Windows-NT (whatever tL version) server into a multiuser system. You get a graphical interface on a & client to a application on the server.  P VMS has X-Windows for that. All you need is a X-Windows server on you PC. (what O you would expect to be a client is called a server in X-Windows, and the other o* way around). It's just like with Linux !!!     Fabio Cardoso wrote:1 > I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!!u6 > When will be possible to run graphical applications  > easily from OVMS servers ? a > 5 > May be a port of Citrix Metaframe to create virtualo* > graphic devices should help in this. :-) > 	 > Regards  >  > FC p" > --- Everhart <ge@gce.com> wrote: > 0 >>You can also use BOSS (available free w/src on >>sigtapes or Hunter Goatley's3 >>site) for similar function, fullscreen. SWiM does  >>the multisession thing6 >>with SMG and text windows. Much more computationally >>expensive but if3 >>using machines faster than vax11/750, it is fine.u >> >> >>Sue Skonetski wrote: >>5 >>>I just received this from one of our Partners, youe >> >>are actually >>4 >>>getting this BEFORE the OpenVMS Ambassadors (I am >> >>working at home on a >>4 >>>PC and my distribution list in on a VMS system at >> >>work and the PC hasp >> >>>some problems). ;') >>>t2 >>>DO MANY THINGS AT ONCE ON YOUR OPEN VMS SYSTEM 	 >>> With S >>>MultiSessions   >>> 3 >>> Allows up to 10 sessions on each VT terminal ori >> >>PC using terminalo >>0 >>>emulation. Uses only one VMS license. Hot-Key >> >>between sessions. Much >>3 >>>quicker than pointing and clicking and uses lessm >> >>resources plus you >>3 >>>don't have to search your task bar to figure outa >> >>which session you aree >>4 >>>looking for. MultiSessions automatically repaints >> >>screen on switchinge >> >>>sessions. >>>s4 >>>"Our Company has been using Multisessions in four >> >>different locationse >>5 >>>for over four years. Multisessions allows us to toT >> >>have the quote,e >>4 >>>inventory and job order screens at our fingertips >> >>without having toc >>3 >>>continually open and close sessions. We can alsow >> >>run major reports andi >>2 >>>programs without tying up the station doing the >> >>job".  >>% >>>Equipment and Accessories Company.t >>>t2 >>>"Multisessions has made our computing time more >> >>efficient and  >>5 >>>productive. Now users have as many screeens active  >> >>at once as theyt >>- >>>need. Multisessions has made our computinge >> >>environment more efficient >>3 >>>and I would recommend it to any other VMS site". . >>>System Manager, Truck and Utility Equipment >> >>Manufacturer >> >>>  a4 >>>"The original evaluation was done using a heavily >> >>overloaded machine.m >>/ >>>The biggest difference in performance becamen >> >>apparent during peak load  >>5 >>>periods. When running Multisessions the screen I/On >> >>rate was about the >>5 >>>same as when no windowing product was  being used.s >> >>When running the >>4 >>>other products it took about 10 times as long for >> >>a full screen- >> >>>update".a >>>a' >>>Download Free 30-Day Trial Version: m >>>www.networkingdynamics.comh >>>or call 1-800-ASK-NDC1  >>>(1-800-275-6321)e >> >> >  >  > =====e > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazila > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?* > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.comi   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:45:59 GMTl1 From: Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS Multisessiot0 Message-ID: <3D3A2063.AC56C9B7@yahoo.commercial>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 1 > I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!!i5 > When will be possible to run graphical applicationse > easily from OVMS servers ? > 5 > May be a port of Citrix Metaframe to create virtual * > graphic devices should help in this. :-) > 	 > Regardsi >  > FC  9 Failing Xwindows as others have suggested, how about VNC?e  5 http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/platforms.html#vmsR  H IIRC, on UNIX/VMS systems, VNC turns into separate user instances rather< than console control. You can then use the VNC client or any' Java-capable web browser to connect in.o   --   Ed Wensell IIIE NetBSD/Alpha at home - Solaris/SPARC at work - OpenVMS in a past liferA E-mail address is valid if you know the appropriate bits to drop.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:02:22 GMTp1 From: Ed Wensell III <ewensell3@yahoo.commercial> Y Subject: Re: I want Citrix Metaframe Server for OpenVMS !!!! was (Re: OpenVMS Multisessiov0 Message-ID: <3D3A243B.AA3E24EB@yahoo.commercial>   Ed Wensell III wrote:t > ; > Failing Xwindows as others have suggested, how about VNC?s > 7 > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/platforms.html#vms  > J > IIRC, on UNIX/VMS systems, VNC turns into separate user instances rather> > than console control. You can then use the VNC client or any) > Java-capable web browser to connect in.f  ? The package is viewer only... I'll go back to sleep now. Sorry.e   -- o Ed Wensell IIIE NetBSD/Alpha at home - Solaris/SPARC at work - OpenVMS in a past lifeeA E-mail address is valid if you know the appropriate bits to drop.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:38:23 GMTo( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>Y Subject: Re: Non-privileged file access broken - Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup setupsr, Message-ID: <3D39AE1E.5000000@spammotel.com>   John E. Malmberg wrote: ; > Changing the title to more accurately reflect the thread.  > F > What you have is for so far unknown reasons an OpenVMS Alpha system K > where non-privileged accounts can not access files that are protected in T' > a way where access should be allowed.s > K > In this case the problem probably has nothing to do with the account, or =  > with the apparent target file. > K > I have repaired similar problems from finding the protection of files in .( > SYS$SHARE: with incorrect permissions. > J > I have also seen this class of problem when a required system image did I > not get installed, ususally because of insufficient sysgen parameters. -= > It is also possible that the VMSIMAGES.DAT file is corrupt.E > K > Note that even though information for DCL.EXE looks correct, the problem eM > could be in any shared image that is used in the process of opening a file.2 > H > Having the wrong version of a system image installed, due to it being C > placed in SYS$SPECIFIC:, or other reasons is another possibility.r > J > It might take a file by file comparison with a known good system, or an J > experienced OpenVMS system administrator might be able notice something ' > that is wrong by just looking around.r >  > K > Generally after I repair a system that has an unusual problem like this, 2F > especially if turns out to be the result of non-standard changes, I G > schedule it to be rebuilt from a clean install of known good sources.h > D > I recommend always having the instructions on hand to duplicate a C > computer setup, regardless of platform.  It is a must for a good t > disaster recovery plan.u >  > J > Since this appears to be a new installation, the fastest resolution may < > be to backup what you have now, especially the data files. > I > Then re-install OpenVMS, initializing the disk.  Install DECNET (IV or MH > V), and then TCP/IP and MOTIF.  Use AUTOGEN as described to make sure I > that the SYSGEN parameters are adequate, and then start adding in your x > user accounts. > I > After you verify the accounts are working properly, then you can start n% > installing the additional packages.y > I > I suspect that you will find that everything will start working if you  
 > do this. >  > -Johnt > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Onlya >   
 Thanks, John.   ; As someone who's come from a Windows environment I thought  C reinstallation was my FIRST step :-)  It may come to that yet as I  H believe the problem is with the proper use of SYSGEN and MODPARAMS.DAT. H I'm still trying to wrap my mind, or at least what's left of it, around  the AUTOGEN thing.  I As I related elsewhere, my attempt to build and install Perl from source yG required me to adjust several parameters without really knowing what I sE was doing.  I think that with the mini-library of reference material  F provided by the kind denizens of this group, I can probably manage to / avoid mucking it too badly next time I install.r   Cheers,n Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:16:31 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> Q Subject: Re: Non-privileged file access broken - Re: [Hobbyist] User accountsetupu' Message-ID: <3D39B70F.C898197D@aaa.com>o   Just a thought...o  ? If you think you have some problem with your SYSGEN (MODPARAMS) < setting, and you havn't PURGED your system disk, it would be> easy (thanks to VMS file versioning) to back-track any changes? from the installation until today. Or perhaps from the start of : the PERL istallation to the time when your problems begun.   Like doing a number of :   $ diff sys$system:setparams.datm" $ diff sys$system:setparams.dat.-1" $ diff sys$system:setparams.dat.-2" $ diff sys$system:setparams.dat.-3  ) to find what happend during each autogen. / And you should also have all agen$params.reporte left over (if not purged).  > (But, as other test have shown, I think it's some problem with. privs or some not installed priviliged image.)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.g     Alder wrote: >  > It may come to that yet as II > believe the problem is with the proper use of SYSGEN and MODPARAMS.DAT.=I > I'm still trying to wrap my mind, or at least what's left of it, aroundi > the AUTOGEN thing. > J > As I related elsewhere, my attempt to build and install Perl from sourceH > required me to adjust several parameters without really knowing what IF > was doing.  I think that with the mini-library of reference materialG > provided by the kind denizens of this group, I can probably manage toD1 > avoid mucking it too badly next time I install.= > 	 > Cheers,= > Alder    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:58:15 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>hQ Subject: Re: Non-privileged file access broken - Re: [Hobbyist] User accountsetupp' Message-ID: <3D3A19AE.965ABDE6@fsi.net>j   Alder wrote: >  > John E. Malmberg wrote:i
 > > [snip]L > > I have repaired similar problems from finding the protection of files in* > > SYS$SHARE: with incorrect permissions.  B I must admit - I hadn't thought of that, but it *IS* and excellentH possibility. Checking the thread to see ifthe necessary info has already been posted ...d  ! On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Alder wrote:c$ > $ show security sys$system:dcl.exe > 3 > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]DCL.EXE;1 object of class FILED >      Owner: [SYSTEM]D >      Protection: (System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RE, World: RE)# >      Access Control List: <empty>g > 2 > $ show security sys$common:[syslib]dcltables.exe > : > SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE;77 object of class FILE >      Owner: [SYSTEM]F >      Protection: (System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RWED, World: RE)# >      Access Control List: <empty>t  4 Of course, the missing piece would be the output of:  ' $ INSTALL LIST/FULL SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLESh  
 > > [SNIP] >  > Thanks, John.t > < > As someone who's come from a Windows environment I thought' > reinstallation was my FIRST step :-)    : ...sometimes does little more than exacerbate the problem.   > It may come to that yet as II > believe the problem is with the proper use of SYSGEN and MODPARAMS.DAT.mI > I'm still trying to wrap my mind, or at least what's left of it, aroundn > the AUTOGEN thing.  = AUTOGEN is a DCL procedure, albeit convoluted and in some way G inadequate, that is intended to help the system manager keep the systemrH tuned by making adjustments in related parameters in response to entries$ the SysAdmin makes in MODPARAMS.DAT.  D For a Windows person, yes - I could see where the concept of "SystemG Parameters" (rather different from the Windows registry) would be a bit  foreign.  D I submitted a session for DECUS(HPETS) St. Louis titled "OpenVMS forH Windows and UNIX People". If it gets accepted, I'll be sure to include a$ discussion of this in that session.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:31:50 GMTa1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: OpenVMS Multisessions' Message-ID: <3D3A218D.5E16E239@fsi.net>M   Sue Skonetski wrote: > A > I just received this from one of our Partners, you are actually H > getting this BEFORE the OpenVMS Ambassadors (I am working at home on aG > PC and my distribution list in on a VMS system at work and the PC has  > some problems). ;')  > 0 > DO MANY THINGS AT ONCE ON YOUR OPEN VMS SYSTEM >  Withe > MultiSessionse > D >  Allows up to 10 sessions on each VT terminal or PC using terminalF > emulation. Uses only one VMS license. Hot-Key between sessions. Much$ > quicker than pointing and clicking  % Windows users can use ALT+TAB, also.    D Reflection users can ALT+N between Reflection windows, but this getsD hosed up you have a Reflection/FTP client (V6.10 or earlier) sessionE open (versions of R/FTP newer than V6.10 are virtually useless, IMO).n  F As noted, however, each session represents a login that counts against' the user count if your OpenVMS license.   " > and uses less resources plus youH > don't have to search your task bar to figure out which session you are > looking for.  F After learning a bit about Reflection, you can adjust the Window title0 to Reflection certain aspects of the connection.  : > MultiSessions automatically repaints screen on switching > sessions.  > [snip] > % > Download Free 30-Day Trial Version:  > www.networkingdynamics.com > or call 1-800-ASK-NDC1 > (1-800-275-6321)  $ A Hobbyist license would be useful.   H IMHO - YMMV, void where prohibited by law, some restrictions apply, mustE be 18 or older to enter, no purchase necessary, see store display fori details, ...   -- g David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Jul 2002 02:22:32 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edut3 Subject: outside user can't access host via networkl+ Message-ID: <ahd5t8$f5m$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>p  G A user has dsl hooked up to a windows 2000 machine and has a windows 98.A machine hooked to on a local network with local only ip addresses8F (sorry, I haven't dealt with this for so long I forget teh right name,B his local network computers think they have ip addresses while the; gateway machine keeps them separate from teh real internet)r  J I am running VMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.0A, MX5.2, IUPOP3 2.04 and teh OSU webserver 2.3? (old I know)   G He can not send email via our machine despite my having the appropriatehG "inside address" defined, he has had problems accessing the web server.t) He /has/ been able to use the pop server.e  H But recently he has not been able to acces our machine at all, he can't I even ping us.  This is from his inner network machines.  He can get other5* web servers at teh university, but not us.  A From the machine that is directly connected to the dsl connectionk he can telnet in.     E When I look at the log files I see no sign that he is seen much less g	 rejected.J  
 Any thoughts?   H He doesn't think he has changed anything, and I haven't chanegd anything	 recently._   Robert system@physics.niu.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:56:42 -0500-. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>> Subject: Re: PW600au problem (probably h/w) - long and tedious. Message-ID: <3D39DC9A.4B6220F1@pressenter.com>   Mark Daniel wrote: > ! > Thanks for the input Christoph.0 > & > I have changed the disks previously.+ > There is currently nothing on SCSI bus A.r > H > > dkb0.0.0.1010.0            DKB0                          RZ29B  0016H > > dkb100.1.0.1010.0          DKB100                        RZ28D  0010H > > dqb0.0.0.207.0             DQB0        TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-6202B  1110# > > dva0.0.0.0.1               DVA0iH > > mkb600.6.0.1010.0          MKB600                        TLZ09  0172B > > ewa0.0.0.3.0               EWA0              00-00-F8-76-1C-F6H > > pka0.7.0.1004.0            PKA0                  SCSI Bus ID 7  5.57B > > pkb0.7.0.1010.0            PKB0                  SCSI Bus ID 7B > > pqa0.0.0.107.0             PQA0                       PCI EIDEB > > pqb0.0.0.207.0             PQB0                       PCI EIDE > J > SCSI bus A shows errors on it (the KLAATU$PKA0 device - which is the VMSG > device for SCSI controller - I think) even without any devices on it.hG > When there was I would get an error log entry saying the system diskas$ > (DKA0) had gone into mount verify. > D > Is there any way to disable the on-board SCSI controller I wonder? >     C I didn't think the PWSs had onboard SCSI... onboad IDE yes, but nott SCSI.V  G There might be some issues with what cards are in what slots. I seem totH remember some issues like that with my 500au when I first set it up. YouD might want to dig around and see if you can find the old Systems and5 Options catalog and figure out something from them...o  C Also, I remember something about my 500au not liking the third SCSIe" controller. Only two were allowed.  7 And some of the older boxes didn't like IDE CD-ROMs...    C But that's all from memory of over a year ago. So it might be a bitd inaccurate.s     Lyndon   --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mys	 employer.a    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 01:44:14 GMTs1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> $ Subject: Re: Terminal input from DCL' Message-ID: <3D3A1665.E8D35255@fsi.net>    "Frits A.M. Storms" wrote: > J > If you mean the example at page 349 from this book, it's in every aspect+ > that I wish to realise totally useless...   D With the exception of those /KEYs that can be DEFINEd, DCL lacks the* capability of trapping a single keystroke.   --   David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/>   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:24:30 GMTh1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y Subject: Re: TKZ60 SCSI ID' Message-ID: <3D3A1FD6.E20127FB@fsi.net>o   dittman@dittman.net wrote: > = > I've got a TKZ60 tape drive.  I need to change the SCSI ID,n; > but there's not SCSI ID switch on the back.  In fact, the < > only controls on the tape drive are "UNLOAD" and "FORMAT".; > I opened the drive and couldn't find any internal jumperss: > or switches to change the SCSI ID, so I'm guessing these4 > buttons may be used somehow to change the SCSI ID. > ? > Can someone tell me whether the SCSI ID is fixed, and if not,n > how to change the SCSI ID?  H Well, your description suggests that there's a suffix to the TKZ60 modelB number (such as TKZ60-VA or equivalent) that would help answer the	 question.    -- J David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/Y   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:59:34 -0500o. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>- Subject: Upgrading from 7.2-1 and latest ECOse. Message-ID: <3D39DD46.2A37A4D6@pressenter.com>  E Came across a interesting little issue when trying to upgrade to v7.3sF last week. I had installed the very latest ECOs to v7.2-1 for a coupleD reasons. Then, a couple weeks later, I upgraded to v7.3. The upgrade9 went "According to Hoyle" At least it looked like it did.y  E The first time the computer tried to boot, it failed. Turns out, thatiG the latest "sys" eco, and "amacro" eco, improperly write entries in the F sys$update:vms$remedial_old_files.txt file.  Namely an entry for "apb"G and "apb_debug" (from "sys" eco) and "starlet.mlb" (from "amacro" eco).y  B Any subsequent upgrade would "remove" the ECOs and hence the files mentioned in this file.   E This has happened before and the "rename old" eco fixed those issues.W8 This is the same issue. But with new and different ECOs.  G I logged a call, and got the system up and running on v7.3. The guy whot9 handled the call says it's been elevated to engineering..   D We'll probably see a new "rename old" ECO, or some such pretty soon.     Lyndon     -- RG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mys	 employer.s    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:16:26 GMTs0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com> Subject: VMS Alpha distribution + Message-ID: <3D39EEF0.7256CBD9@mailbag.com>u  G Does anyone in the Madison, WI area have a VMS Alpha distribution I can A use for a hobbbyist install until I can afford to order one from oH Montagar? I know, $30 doesn't seem like much but with a recently adoptedH 6 month old in the house, it's more than I can spare at this moment. And) this old Alpha Server deserves VMS... ;'>    Thanks,,   William2 -- 8) You better watch out   What you wish for;e* It better be worth it  So much to die for. 		       Courtney Love   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:34:05 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e# Subject: Re: VMS Alpha distributiond' Message-ID: <3D3A2214.E9F8A151@fsi.net>n   William Barnett-Lewis wrote: > I > Does anyone in the Madison, WI area have a VMS Alpha distribution I cannB > use for a hobbbyist install until I can afford to order one fromJ > Montagar? I know, $30 doesn't seem like much but with a recently adoptedJ > 6 month old in the house, it's more than I can spare at this moment. And+ > this old Alpha Server deserves VMS... ;'>o  @ Well, Northern Illinois. E-mail me privately. How to de-mung the# reply-to address should be obvious.    -- t David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:48:18 GMTl( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup, Message-ID: <3D39B070.8000203@spammotel.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:l > E > P.S. Are you the same person I just sent an e-mail to about gettingmD > SAMBA working on your system? If so, and if it is the same system,9 > then this problem could also be why that isn't working.t  F How can you tell? :-)  I'll be giving that post a close read a little & later and trying out your suggestions.  H I can't get over the amount of assistance this group can provide.  It's F humbling and quite a departure from the typical advice on the Windows ; newsgroups to visit someone's webpage or reinstall Windows.h     		  THANK YOU EVERYONE!l   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:06:34 GMTo( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup, Message-ID: <3D39B4B9.9070709@spammotel.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:eE > It may not be SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXE that is not installed correctly at F > startup - it may be something that it needs. SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES.EXEH > is a good candidate as it generally needs a relatively large number of? > global pages - roughly twice as many as DCL.EXE on my system.  > 3 > $ install list/full/glo sys$library:dcltables.exen >   I If it's still relevant, here's the output.  I'm getting a little lost in i; this thread and missed this request the first time through.     1 $ install list/full/glo sys$library:dcltables.exel  ) DISK$ALPHASYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXEc5     DCLTABLES;77     Open Hdr Shared            Lnkbli)          Entry access count         = 468a+          Current / Maximum shared   = 5 / 8 '          Global section count       = 1   %                 Owner:       [SYSTEM]e4                 Protection:  S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RE,W:RE              System Global Sections   / HOBBY$DKA0:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DCLTABLES.EXEo2   INS$82C782E0_001(06000000)              PRM SYS  Pgltcnt/Refcnt=830/  208 %                 Owner:       [SYSTEM] 4                 Protection:  S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RE,W:RE   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:10:38 GMTa( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup, Message-ID: <3D39C3BD.4020700@spammotel.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:m# > $ set audit/ala/ena=file=fail=alla > $ reply/enable > ! > on another console, gives what?-   Took a while, eh?D  H Here's the entrails from a login attempt to a "bad" account named BORIS.  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-JUL-2002 12:58:54.35  %%%%%%%%%%%# Message from user INTERnet on HOBBYn8 TELNET Login Request from Remote Host: KIRALY Port: 1428   $i8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  20-JUL-2002 12:59:08.80  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on HOBBYpI Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on HOBBY, system a id: 1i: Auditable event:          Remote interactive login failure1 Event time:               20-JUL-2002 12:59:08.80n" PID:                      0000214E Process name:             BORISe Username:                 BORISo' Process owner:            [USERS,BORIS]oE Terminal name:            _TNA162:, Host: 192.168.0.1      Port: 1428gJ Image name:               HOBBY$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXEE Status:                   %LOGIN-F-CLIFAIL, error activating command d interpreterT   !AS'   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:50:47 GMT + From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>e* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup+ Message-ID: <3D39DE6C.EE238898@ins-msi.com>a   Alder wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > Alder wrote: > >h< > >>"John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message( > >>news:3D377CEA.7020106@qsl.network... > >> > >>: > >>>This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle. > >>I > >>I think the bigger puzzle is why I would think I could manage VMS :-)  > >  > > I > > Don't be so hard on yourself. We're all challenged by this, and we'rei > > mostly senior VMS folks. > >s > >cN > >>I will go through the steps you suggest, but it will have to wait a day orP > >>two unfortunately.  Thanks very much for taking so much of your time to help > >>me wade through this :-) > >Y > >R0 > > No problem, speaking for myself (of course). > >'J > > I can't help thinking its some goofy protection problem. Can you thinkL > > of any reason why you couldn't access the system disk from a group %O200 > > account? > G > About the only straw left to grasp is the GBLPAGES / GBLSECTIONS clueEG > I've still to investigate.  I did have to fiddle with these and othertC > parameters in order to build and install Perl on the system.  TheiI > default values setup during the installation of OpenVMS were making DEC 	 > C burp.[ >  > >L+ > > Can you try logging in as SYSTEM, then:n > >S > > $ SET UIC [200,201]:) > > $ SET PROC/PRIV=(NOALL,NETMBX,TMPMBX)o, > > $ OPEN/READ/SHARE BIN SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXE > > $ CLOSE BINe > >iL > > I'm kinda grasping at straws here, but I'm really curious to know what's > > going on with your system. > >  >  > Sure, here's the result: >  > $ SET UIC [200,201]g' > $ SET PROC/PRIV=(NOALL,NETMBX,TMPMBX))* > $ OPEN/READ/SHARE BIN SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXEC > %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]DCL.EXE; as input A > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation 
 > $ CLOSE BIN E > %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical namen   Ok. As system, do ap  $    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[000000]"    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0],    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0.syscommon]   and post the results.   : I can duplicate the open error above if the directory file  +    sys$sysdevice:[sys0.syscommon]sysexe.dire   has the following protections:      S:RWE O:RWE G:RE W:   I can induce other weirdness ifg  '    sys$sysdevice:[000000]vms$common.dirt   is not set "E" for WORLD  	 Likewise,t  #    sys$sysdevice[sys0]syscommon.diro  2 set with no world access (W:) leads to things like      HELP DIRE  A complaining about insufficient privilege or file protection errort& to open sys$common[syshlp]helplib.hlb.   > $p > 4 > But, see my response to Peter Weaver's suggestion. > 	 > Thanks,- > Alder-  
 Jeff Campbell  n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:40:33 GMTO( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup, Message-ID: <3D39F4F0.3090606@spammotel.com>   Jeff Campbell wrote:   > Ok. As system, do a  > & >    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[000000]$ >    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0]. >    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0.syscommon] >  > and post the results.M >   " $ dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[000000]    Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]  F 000000.DIR;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,E)E BACKUP.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,)cE BADBLK.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,) E BADLOG.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,)sE BITMAP.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,) E CONTIN.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,) E CORIMG.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,)tD FRONTPORT.DIR;1      [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,E)E INDEXF.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,)sD RMU$SRV.DIR;1        [RMU$SRV]                        (RWE,RWE,RE,E)E SAMBA.DIR;1          [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)cE SECURITY.SYS;1       [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,)gD SQLSRV$DEFLT.DIR;1   [SQLSRV$DEFLT]                   (RWE,RWE,RE,E)E SYS0.DIR;1           [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)2E VMS$COMMON.DIR;1     [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)rE VOLSET.SYS;1         [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,),   Total of 16 files.  $ dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0]   Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0]  E CDE$DEFAULTS.DIR;1   [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E DIA$TOOLS.DIR;1      [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)-E MOM$SYSTEM.DIR;1     [376,375]                        (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)iE RDM$RUJ.DIR;1        [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)DE SYS$I18N.DIR;1       [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)dE SYS$LDR.DIR;1        [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)tE SYS$STARTUP.DIR;1    [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)oE SYSCBI.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)hE SYSCOMMON.DIR;1      [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)mE SYSERR.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E SYSEXE.DIR;1         [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E SYSHLP.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)fE SYSLIB.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)eE SYSMAINT.DIR;1       [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)oE SYSMGR.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)wE SYSMSG.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)tE SYSTEST.DIR;1        [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)oE SYSUPD.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)tE TNT.DIR;1            [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)t   Total of 19 files.* $ dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0.syscommon]  ( Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON]  E CDA$LIBRARY.DIR;1    [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E CDE$DEFAULTS.DIR;1   [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)o9 DEC-AXPVMS-DWMOTIF-V0102-5-1.REFERENCE_PCSI$DESCRIPTION;19H                       [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)1 DEC-AXPVMS-DWMOTIF-V0102-5-1.REFERENCE_PCSI$TLB;1iH                       [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,RE). DEC-AXPVMS-OPENVMS-V0702--5.PCSI$DESCRIPTION;1H                       [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)& DEC-AXPVMS-OPENVMS-V0702--5.PCSI$TLB;1H                       [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)* DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0702--2.PCSI$DESCRIPTION;1H                       [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)" DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0702--2.PCSI$TLB;1H                       [SYSTEM]                         (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)G DECC$LIB.DIR;1       [1,1]                            (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)0E DECW$BOOK.DIR;1      [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)2 DECW$DEFAULTS.DIR;1 F                       [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)E DECW$INCLUDE.DIR;1   [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)IE DIA$TOOLS.DIR;1      [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)aE JAVA.DIR;1           [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)tE MOM$SYSTEM.DIR;1     [376,375]                        (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)rE RDB$REMOTE70.DIR;1   [RDB$REMOTE70]                   (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)IE RDMSTT70.DIR;1       [RDMSTT70]                       (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)aE SQLSRV.DIR;1         [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)0E SQLSRV70.DIR;1       [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E SYS$I18N.DIR;1       [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)fE SYS$KEYMAP.DIR;1     [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)eE SYS$LDR.DIR;1        [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)eE SYS$STARTUP.DIR;1    [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)vE SYS$ZONEINFO.DIR;1   [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E SYSCBI.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)sE SYSERR.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E SYSEXE.DIR;1         [1,1]                            (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)-E SYSFONT.DIR;1        [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)JE SYSHLP.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)DE SYSLIB.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)tE SYSMAINT.DIR;1       [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)vE SYSMGR.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)cE SYSMSG.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E SYSTEST.DIR;1        [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)mE SYSUPD.DIR;1         [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) E TCPIP$LIB.DIR;1      [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)aE TNT.DIR;1            [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)oE VUE$LIBRARY.DIR;1    [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)7E XDPS$INCLUDE.DIR;1   [SYSTEM]                         (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)    Total of 39 files. $t   Thanks,n   Alderh   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:01:58 GMTt1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>d* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D3A1A8D.E8E6DA22@fsi.net>I   Alder wrote: >  > Carl Perkins wrote:u > >oG > > P.S. Are you the same person I just sent an e-mail to about gettingIF > > SAMBA working on your system? If so, and if it is the same system,; > > then this problem could also be why that isn't working.u > G > How can you tell? :-)  I'll be giving that post a close read a little ( > later and trying out your suggestions. > I > I can't get over the amount of assistance this group can provide.  It'swG > humbling and quite a departure from the typical advice on the Windows2= > newsgroups to visit someone's webpage or reinstall Windows.s > ' >                   THANK YOU EVERYONE!   H We help because we care. Some view the fact that we care that much aboutG a dumb, old, antiquated, under-marketed o.s. as a negative. Seems to meh( it's a tremendous positive in some ways.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:20:16 GMTh1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i* Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D3A1ED8.2EF6268E@fsi.net>"   Alder wrote: >  > David J. Dachtera wrote: > B > Just to elaborate on my comments regarding the Perl install, theH > installation notes gave three options for running Perl, and I chose toJ > make it a DCL command.  Here's the command file I ran while logged in as? > SYSTEM.  It's directly from the Perl 5.6.1 docs (README.VMS):t > E > Execute the following command file to define PERL as a DCL command.b@ > You'll need CMKRNL privilege to install the new dcltables.exe. >  >      $ create perl.cld >      !4 >      ! modify to reflect location of your perl.exe >      ! >      define verb perlm) >        image perl_root:[000000]perl.exeu >        cliflags (foreign) 	 >      $!uC >      $ set command perl /table=sys$common:[syslib]dcltables.exe --0 >       /output=sys$common:[syslib]dcltables.exe9 >      $ install replace sys$common:[syslib]dcltables.exeS
 >      $ exitt > B > Should I have trusted this command file to "do the right thing"?  H Well, the data you posted earlier indicates that it did the right thing,H with respect to the security of DCLTABLES. So, I'd venture to say that's good enough (for me, at least).e  % *HUMPPPH* !!!  What a head scratcher!t   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 02:17:52 GMTt1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] User account setup' Message-ID: <3D3A1E44.247C2A74@fsi.net>u   Jeff Campbell wrote: >  > Alder wrote: > >3 > > David J. Dachtera wrote: > > > Alder wrote: > > >:> > > >>"John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message* > > >>news:3D377CEA.7020106@qsl.network... > > >> > > >>< > > >>>This can actually be viewed as an interesting puzzle. > > >>K > > >>I think the bigger puzzle is why I would think I could manage VMS :-)c > > >e > > >sK > > > Don't be so hard on yourself. We're all challenged by this, and we'reI > > > mostly senior VMS folks. > > >- > > >eP > > >>I will go through the steps you suggest, but it will have to wait a day orR > > >>two unfortunately.  Thanks very much for taking so much of your time to help > > >>me wade through this :-) > > >- > > >-2 > > > No problem, speaking for myself (of course). > > > L > > > I can't help thinking its some goofy protection problem. Can you thinkN > > > of any reason why you couldn't access the system disk from a group %O200 > > > account? > >II > > About the only straw left to grasp is the GBLPAGES / GBLSECTIONS cluesI > > I've still to investigate.  I did have to fiddle with these and othertE > > parameters in order to build and install Perl on the system.  ThelK > > default values setup during the installation of OpenVMS were making DECr > > C burp.f > >s > > >h- > > > Can you try logging in as SYSTEM, then:e > > >r > > > $ SET UIC [200,201]e+ > > > $ SET PROC/PRIV=(NOALL,NETMBX,TMPMBX)'. > > > $ OPEN/READ/SHARE BIN SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXE > > > $ CLOSE BIN- > > >-N > > > I'm kinda grasping at straws here, but I'm really curious to know what's  > > > going on with your system. > > >b > >  > > Sure, here's the result: > >3 > > $ SET UIC [200,201]o) > > $ SET PROC/PRIV=(NOALL,NETMBX,TMPMBX) , > > $ OPEN/READ/SHARE BIN SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXEE > > %DCL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]DCL.EXE; as inputAC > > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationr > > $ CLOSE BINlG > > %DCL-W-UNDFIL, file has not been opened by DCL - check logical namet >  > Ok. As system, do ar > & >    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[000000]$ >    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0]. >    $dire/secu sys$sysdevice:[sys0.syscommon] >  > and post the results.  > < > I can duplicate the open error above if the directory file > - >    sys$sysdevice:[sys0.syscommon]sysexe.dir; >   > has the following protections: >  >    S:RWE O:RWE G:RE W: > ! > I can induce other weirdness ifx > ) >    sys$sysdevice:[000000]vms$common.dir  >  > is not set "E" for WORLD >  > Likewise,[ > % >    sys$sysdevice[sys0]syscommon.dirE > 4 > set with no world access (W:) leads to things like >  >    HELP DIRE > C > complaining about insufficient privilege or file protection error ( > to open sys$common[syshlp]helplib.hlb.  ' All right - it's shot-in-the-dark time:   F Is it possible - if however unlikely - that some hard-coded protection! against group %O200 has crept in?0   DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh proc  E 20-JUL-2002 21:10:49.44   User: DDACHTERA      Process ID:   00000095-H                           Node: DJAS01         Process name: "DDACHTERA"  , Terminal:           NTY7:  (C333.djesys.com) User Identifier:    [30,1] Base priority:      4e$ Default file spec:  DKA0:[DDACHTERA] Number of Kthreads: 1     Devices allocated:  DJAS01$NTY7:@ DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$fao( "!OL", 'F$GETSYI("MAXSYSGROUP")' ) 00000000010B6 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ SET PROC/PRIV=(NOALL,TMPMBX,NETMBX) DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ SH SYM VERS;   VERS*ION == "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("ARCH_NAME"), " ",$ F$GETSYI("VERSION"),   " (", F$GETSYI("HW_NAME"), ")"" DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ VERSY' Alpha V7.1-2   (AlphaStation 200 4/233) 8 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ $ SET PROC/PRIV=(NOALL,NETMBX,TMPMBX); DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ $ OPEN/READ/SHARE BIN SYS$SYSTEM:DCL.EXE0 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ $ CLOSE BING DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ UAF COPY DDACHTERA DJDTEST/UIC=[200,201]/PASS=SAMPLESD %UAF-E-NAOFIL, unable to open system authorization file (SYSUAF.DAT)? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation]/ DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ SET PROC/PRIV=(ALL,NOBYPASS)LG DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ UAF COPY DDACHTERA DJDTEST/UIC=[200,201]/PASS=SAMPLE-! %UAF-I-COPMSG, user record copiedaD %UAF-I-RDBADDMSGU, identifier DJDTEST value [000200,000201] added to rights data: base DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ t    Then, in another TELNET session:    A  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.1-2  l   Username: djdtest>
 Password: A    Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.1-20 $   B Note that the new account cannot open my LOGIN.COM, etc., but this failure happens "silently".   F Yes, I'm running an older VMS (V7.1-2). That's what makes me wonder. IG don't have a newer system available to test this on (well, I could, butn0 I shouldn't - it would be a breach of security).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.398 ************************