1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 23 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 402       Contents:, Re: "no privilege" to view a job queue entry RE: (hobbyist) VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP ( Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes, Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes, Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes  Corr: RE: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF Re: CSA -> DSPP % Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows % Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows  Re: DCL Question Re: DCL Question7 different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine , HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report# Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases # Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases # Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...  MV 3400 won't keep settings  Re: MV 3400 won't keep settings  Re: MV 3400 won't keep settings  Octal counting in DCL ?  Re: Octal counting in DCL ?  RE: Octal counting in DCL ?  Re: Octal counting in DCL ?  Re: Octal counting in DCL ?  Re: Octal counting in DCL ? . Re: One of Terry's shoes seems to have dropped* Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - XFC ECO 2 !!! When ?????# RE: OpenVMS webring:  Where's Mike?  oVMS *VAX* 7.3 distro  Re: oVMS *VAX* 7.3 distro 
 RDB questions  Re: RDB questions  Re: RDB questions " SET DEF to rooted logical question& Re: SET DEF to rooted logical question& RE: SET DEF to rooted logical question& Re: SET DEF to rooted logical question& RE: SET DEF to rooted logical question& Re: SET DEF to rooted logical question Re: SMISERVER Bytlim problem TSM and Newer Circuit Names  Re: TSM and Newer Circuit Names  Re: TSM and Newer Circuit Names C Re: WATCHER (was Re: Command Procedure to logoff inactive users...)  Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF Re: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF! XP1000 DEAL AS REQUESTED BY C.O.V  [hobbyist] VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP  Re: [hobbyist] VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP  Re: [hobbyist] VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:44:43 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: "no privilege" to view a job queue entry & Message-ID: <3D3CAB7E.1E229BD@fsi.net>   Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:  >  > Hi,  > J > Perhaps this is a lame question, but when I try to list jobs in a  batch! > queue, I receive the following:  > ( > Batch queue SYS$BATCH, idle, on NODE:: >  > Entry Jobname Username Status  >  > ----- ------- -------- ------  > ' > 2 RESTORE_STBY no privilege File: ...  > L > I have all system privileges granted (both authorized and default), BYPASS- > is among them. The queue is set as follows:  > ( > Batch queue SYS$BATCH, idle, on NODE:: > 1 > /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /JOB_LIMIT=100 /OWNER=[SYSTEM]  > /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)  >  > i.e. default.  >  > What can cause this message? > - > The system in question is OpenVMS V7.2-1H1.   G I vaguely remember there being a patch out there to fix that, or if you G can, going to V7.2-2 should fix that and a bunch of other stuff, if I'm  not too badly mistaken.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:33:26 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>( Subject: RE: (hobbyist) VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP- Message-ID: <0033000073491877000002L072*@MHS>    =0AStart here.  ' DECnet and DECnet-Plus documentation is  available on the Web at:  * http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/#decnet    TCP/IP Services documentation is available on the Web at:  ) http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/#tcpip   3 Come back with a specific problem if you get stuck.    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET # Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:20 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET$ Subject: [hobbyist] VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP    B I've a nice pair of MicroVAX 3100s I want to connect up to my home net.E I can install VAX OpenVMS 7.2 from the hobbyist CDROM, but don;t have D a clue for setting up DECnet & TCP/IP such that I can do things likeF FTP to / from the VAXen and Telnet login to a VAX. Can someone explainB the necessary installation / configuration procedure simply for me please?    thanks,  greg=    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:26:52 -0400  From: G Everhart <ge@gce.com> 1 Subject: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes & Message-ID: <3D3C6A8C.2070408@gce.com>   Folks - P This is to announce that the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tape collection is complete andG the first copies have been mailed. As usual Dar Schumann is tree chair  L (darnkatt@feist.com) and other sites that normally get the distribution fromN me either have the material or will shortly be getting it. If you need access,	 email me. N Thanks to all who contributed software. There is some very good material here.= Mark Berryman's Flash plugin was about the last bit to go on.    Glenn Everhart Tapecopy coordinator Everhart@gce.com   Abstract follows:   ' Spring 2002 VMS/L&T SIG Tape Collection ' ------ ---- --- --- --- ---- ----------   * This material is all freely distributable.    A Once again the VMS and L&T SIGs present their semiannual software G collection, this one for Spring 2002. The following are brief abstracts 
 of the areas.   A (Note: Since the distribution is getting pretty varied, the split D   between "VMS" and "L&T" parts is not done this time. It was always   artificial.)  F The L&T and VMS Systems SIGs are again producing a combined collection6 for Spring 2002 to reduce duplication between the two.  = The tape is in VMS Backup format in three areas: one each for > [02AVMSLT...], [VMSLT02A...], and [DECUSLIB...].  The first isH the index saveset (02AVMSLT), comprising around 17000 blocks.  The otherF is the DECUS library catalog in machine readable format (DECUSLIB) andE the VAX/L&T collection for Spring 2002 [VMSLT02A...] comprising about  1260000 blocks.    INDEX Directory ([02AVMSLT]) ----- ---------  ---------- C          Indices and descriptions of what is on the tapes. [.tools] C          subdirectory contains tools needed to decompress or unpack           some packed items.   [ DECUS LIBRARY CATALOG ONLINE ([DECUSLIB])                        to build on VMS, Gnucleus   and Gnunet, Wget, more. L [.JED...]               SLANG update. JED editor (edt like, many OSs) updateL [.MOREAU...]            Flight simulators. Freetype for VMS. Music and soundO                          editors. Lunar lander. PDF (Adobe Acrobat) file viewer                            update.L [.NET...]               Generally useful things: P2P programs, MS word read,K                          working VAX emulator, working x86 emulator, remote L                          contol progs for unix, windows, vms, OpenSSL, SPICEN                          circuit sim, GnuPG (encryption for the masses), more.K [.NT...]                Lore and a few example progs for Windows, including .                          a virtual disk w/src.H [.OPENOFFICE...]        Source code to MS Office lookalike in C and JavaM [.PRO...]               DECUS DEC Pro 3xx programs, as many as could be found O [.SAMBA...]             VMS port of Samba 2.2.4. Samba lets non-windows systems J                          export shares to windows and each other, and letsH                          them access windows or samba shares for disk orI                          print. V2.2.4 is quite recent. Includes sources. N                          Samba also can let a machine act as domain controllerH                          (so VMS can become your domain control machine)I [.SEC...]               Security tips from here and there. Also a Solaris G                          loadable kernel module, much forensics advice. E [.SWTOOLS...]           LBL Software Tools package, reissue from LT86 G                          sigtapes because those got little circulation. G [.TK...]                Ascii to Postscript cvt. Callable ping. Convert H                          .LIS to source. Dir and file manager. Show freeE                          blocks. FTP mirror utility. HGFTP better FTP N                          client and server. JUMP -become another user. MGPCX -L                          read/write PC floppies. MX042 with couple publishedL                          patches to stop relay. Set time to NBS time, NetlibF                          stack-independent TCP/IP lib. VERB - generateJ                          .CLD from DCLtables. VMS TAR utiity. Watcher idle)                          terminal logout. L [.VU...]                VMS things. ASCII to HTML. Flight sim. Analog clock.J                          Read MS Word. Alpha software development environ.K                          SSH client & lib for VMS. BASH shell. X86 emulator K                          ported to vms. CD recording software. Compress and B                          decompress utils. Calculator. DCL mailboxD                          interface. Editors. Access ODS-2 (VMS) fileD                          structures from other OSs. View postscript.F                          Gnu diff/patch. RCS. Wegsite indexer for VMS.E                          Change image types. VMS web server. Complete E                          routing and messaging product similar to BEA I                          or DEC MessageQ, complete sources, first release K                          here. Flash plugin for VMS (compat with Macromedia J                          Flash, derived from Linux code). Stego code. PeekL                          in VMS mailbox (MBdriver) contents. Send or receiveN                          and pack/unpack MIME messages. Copy command. CompilerJ                          compiler. RCS rev control system. Python for VMS.E                          Syslogd for VMS (client and server). Message E                          passing for parallel scientific programming. G                          Restore disk or file from ASCII dump. Log file J                          analysis (with lots of graphics). Mailer. MozillaC                          latest for VMS. Updated Emacs V21 for VMS. C [.WWW...]               Web servers and Mosaic web browser for VMS.   ( ----- ------- ------- ------  ----------C          Current machine readable catalog of DECUS library contents >          as straight text. The BROWSER fulltext retrieval tool?          is included. Also the DECUS Catalog Information System           tool is included.  ? The following are contents of the respective directories in the  [VMSLT02A...] tree.   G [.BULLETIN...]          MAIL like utility for one to many messaging and -                          for net news access. J [.GCE...]               VDdriver update to make it easier to use unmountedI                          disks. Program that allows reading of almost any F                          SCSI disk, even if blocksize <> 512 or if itsF                          SCSI subset is too braindamaged for DKdriver.H [.GNU...]               New gnu programs including GCC 3.1 which is saidJ                          to build on VMS, Gnucleus and Gnunet, Wget, more.L [.JED...]               SLANG update. JED editor (edt like, many OSs) updateL [.MOREAU...]            Flight simulators. Freetype for VMS. Music and soundO                          editors. Lunar lander. PDF (Adobe Acrobat) file viewer                            update.L [.NET...]               Generally useful things: P2P programs, MS word read,K                          working VAX emulator, working x86 emulator, remote    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:40:32 GMT  From: danco@pebble.org5 Subject: Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes - Message-ID: <slrnajoski.re8.danco@pebble.org>   8 In article <3D3C6A8C.2070408@gce.com>, G Everhart wrote:  & > The tape is in VMS Backup format....  ( Still cutting tapes in this day and age?& That brings back memories of magtapes.   - Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 19:09:55 -0400  From: GcE <gce@gce.com> 5 Subject: Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes & Message-ID: <3D3C90C3.2090401@gce.com>   danco@pebble.org wrote: : > In article <3D3C6A8C.2070408@gce.com>, G Everhart wrote: >  > & >>The tape is in VMS Backup format.... >  > * > Still cutting tapes in this day and age?( > That brings back memories of magtapes. >  > - Dan   L Actually the masters have been on CD-R for some years now. It is much easierM to find CD-R drives than most forms of tape. Before that they were usually on L 4mm or 8mm tape, at least in my hands. The name has not changed, nor has theJ philosophy...just the medium. Since distribution is a chain of volunteers,M you may find it on Lord only knows what media if you find the right people to E ask. A 4mm tape or 8mm tape will still hold it, but I gave up on TK50 G years ago, even though I do have an old drive I probably could hook up.    Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:18:08 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ) Subject: Corr: RE: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEOBFGAA.tom@kednos.com>    >-----Original Message----- ) >From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com] % >Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:45 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >Subject: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF >  > @ >Compiling on a VAX (7.1) using VAXC032 for VMS5.5-2 using those- >libs.  Missing the above symbol in the link.  > A >How do you find the entry names in an OLB?  Is there any way to  
 >dump it onto B >standard out and pipe it to search?  I tried /CROSS=SYMBOL found  >the name of >the >module, extracted it and did ; >pipe anal/obj C$VAXCIO.obj | sear sys$output vaxc$dsprintf  > % >but this will try anyone's patience!   = My fault had I written SYS$INPUT, it would have been obvious. 3 It would be nice if this were implicit, as on UNIX.      >---' >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:32:40 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: CSA -> DSPPK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2207022032400001@1cust140.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   : In article <0033000073419225000002L052*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:  C >=0ASo did you drop the webminions an email asking them to do this?   D _I_ did.  It's supposedly being worked.  I've learned not to hold my8 breath when webminions (and other minions) are involved.  E But it would have been so much more satisfying to whine here instead.    Sigh.      > 
 ><conspiracy>  > ? >http://h21007.www2.hp.com/partner/technologies/1,2610,,00.html  >   >contains NOTHING about OpenVMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2002 12:11:44 -0700# From: tadamsmar@aol.com (Tom Adams) . Subject: Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows= Message-ID: <793af3df.0207221111.6a33c37b@posting.google.com>   Q david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<ahh3qm$e56$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>... e > In article <793af3df.0207220403.7bc1238d@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@aol.com (Tom Adams) writes:  > >Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jguilla-at-attglobal-dot-net@nospam.please> wrote in message news:<3D387A58.2030004@nospam.please>...  > >> Tom Adams wrote: K > >> 3) In the other, telnet to your VMS machine. Now you have two chances:  > >>  < > >> a) Do a SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=yourpcname/TRANSP=tcpipI > >> b) $ CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACH at your discretion, or MCR DECW$VUE, or  1 > >> whatever Decwindows program you want to run.  > >>  	 > >> -OR-  > >>  & > >> a) Login to the VMS box as SYSTEM; > >> b) $SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=yourpcname/TRANSPORT=tcpip  > >> c) $ MCR DECW$STARTLOGIN  > >>   > > H > >Thank you, dear wizard. I had overlooked the TRAN qualifier during my2 > >own perusal of the tomes, leaving me befuddled. > >gG > >But isn't an advance offering required so that the system will deigngI > >to recognize the node's name "youpcname" when it arrives at the gates.sF > > If I am not mistaken, I was told it in response to the chant "HELPI > >SET DISPLAY".  But, it was in a language that I little comprehend, andwI > >I did not understand how to cast the spell that causes the node's namenE > >to materialize in some network database on my VMS system.  The ourt$ > >local wizard says that NCP is not) > >involved, since it only covers DECnet.  > >p > O > Since your using TCPIP translating the "yourpcname" to the correct IP addresse= > is handled as always by either DNS or the local hosts file.  > I > If the VMS system is setup to use DNS and "yourpc.domain" is setup in a3N > properly configured accessible DNS server somewhere on the internet then you > are all set.K > If not then you need to get "yourpc.domain" set up in the local host file J > on the VMS system. With DEC TCPIP Services / UCX  this is done using the- > UCX set host/address=x.x.x.x yourpc.domain .
 > command. > O > This should probably be enough to get it working with most PC based X-serversVM > since they generally come with no security restrictions restricting who canEM > connect. Most/all do though come with the ability to close down this gapingEO > security hole - but you'll need to see the documentation for the PCs X server 
 > package. >  iL > VMS workstations in contrast default to not allowiung any remote X windows5 > connections - you have to specifically enable them.i >i  % I get a "can't open display message".   M I can ping the PC by name, so the PC is not locking me completely out.  ThereVG is no obvious firewall on the PC.  There could be some sort of firewall.J between the PC and the VMS system (this is within the U.S. EPA and I thinkE they have relatively good security), but I doubt it since ping works.-  $ I can telnet to the VMS system fine.  G That "-ac" switch on the XWin command seems odd. I don't find it in thet5 documentation that I have seen, but it seems to work.r  9 I could not issue "xwin -ac" directly without some setup.i  J I revised a copy of the default startwin.bat that came with cygwin. in theG x11 bin directory.  It said "start xwin" which I revised to "xwin -ac".u  8 Otherwise, I just installed/ran CYWIN as is, no changes.   What does "-ac" do?-  I The XFree86 user manual on the web, seems to go in a different direction,  taking about XDMCP.l   >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:15:15 -0700R5 From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <My.Full.Name@intel.com>=. Subject: Re: Cygwin/xfree86 and VMS/DecWindows) Message-ID: <3D3CA013.F09146D8@intel.com>t   Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:   > Tom Adams wrote:4 > > Will CYGWIN/FREE86 work with VMS and DecWindows?. > > How can they be configured to communicate?G > > Can it be done with and without Pathworks? How is it done each way?D > > Thanks for any input.  >p> > It will work, although some DEC fonts doesn't have a XFree867 > equivalent,and some things will not look very pretty.- >-I > My recipe is as follows (I'm sure it can be enhanced in a milion ways):e >l- > 1) Open two CygWin windows under windows ;)C >P2 > 2) In one of them use the following enchantment: >S > $ XWin -ac >nH > 3) In the other, telnet to your VMS machine. Now you have two chances: >o9 > a) Do a SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=yourpcname/TRANSP=tcpiptE > b) $ CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACH at your discretion, or MCR DECW$VUE, or#. > whatever Decwindows program you want to run. >g > -OR- > # > a) Login to the VMS box as SYSTEM-8 > b) $SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=yourpcname/TRANSPORT=tcpip > c) $ MCR DECW$STARTLOGIN  G     It's really not necessary to log into SYSTEM to accomplish what youjG want.  That is, if you can satisfy DEC$LOGINOUT you can certainly loginIC at the Username: prompt, eh?  I've found the following accomplishesrB essentially the same thing (without needing to login as SYSTEM and3 without needing to separately log into DECwindows):o  3     a) Login to the VMS box under your own usernamea8     b) $ Set Display/Create/Node=name.domain/Trans=TCPIPF     c) $ @Sys$Manager:DECW$StartSM        ! Starts the Session Manager  D This works nicely from, e.g., an rexec command line.  If you executeD DECW$StartSM interactively, I'd guess it will tie up that process soE long as you don't exit the Session Manager (from the PC side), so youSJ may need to tune this to taste (it would work fine from a BATCH job, BTW).       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfielda! F20 Automation VMS System Supportm kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.comr   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:08:10 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: Re: DCL Questionn; Message-ID: <01KKEQ5MRZXU9870E1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>y  P > > When you use $On Error Then Continue, and an error happens then the on error > > setting has gone!-G > > Everty time an exception happens you have to redefine your on errorl > > definition!n > > : > > A nice, quick solution? Begin your DCL procedure with:! > > $RESET := ON ERROR THEN RESETo
 > > $RESET > @ > Which destroys $STATUS.  The $ ON ERROR THEN CONTINUE doesn't. > ; > If your goal is to avoid the default $ ON ERROR THEN EXIT , > behavior, the clean solution is $ SET NOON  I Right.  The definition of RESET is a clever hack, but as you say for the iI ERROR case, SET NOON (the default being ON ERROR THEN EXIT) is cleaner.  n9 Is there a case where the RESET construction makes sense?.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2002 23:59:45 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DCL Questiony* Message-ID: <ahi69h$lkk$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  _ In article <43c45dcb.0207180805.49ffcb84@posting.google.com>, jcho888@yahoo.com (James) writes: D :Is possible to write a DCL batch file so when ever you encounter an5 :error, just resume to the next command and continue?s     Yes.  Use:       $ Set NoOn  F   Please avail yourself of the OpenVMS User's Guide or other availableF   documentation materials, as these will explain how to program using E   DCL.  I have chapters of material on error handling techniques and L>   such in the Writing Real Programs in DCL book, for instance.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2002 20:45:58 -0700 From: wingwong@witty.com (wing) @ Subject: different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine= Message-ID: <873e96d6.0207221945.52937fc7@posting.google.com>n   Hi,n  B I have a binary executables which is well tested in my developmentD machine, but when I deliver to clients, the binary encounters error.  0 I have carefully examine that code and it is OK.  B Is there any chance that a binary behaves differently in different/ machine?  If so, any precautions to avoid this?   E The compile I am using is Compaq C++ V6.3-020 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3     Thanks in advance for any idea,b   Wing   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:35:08 -0400d; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>a5 Subject: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4901479EFD@rlghncst964.usps.gov>u  ! All in all, a very upbeat affair.    General impressions-  8 There's a new emphasis on VMS as an e-business solution.  = (This might be the justification for "breaking VMS out of theL. vertical niches" that we've been waiting for.)  5 I was particularly surprised at the number of people s< who were *not* OpenVMS users who were there; I did a bit of 5 proselytizing for VMS -- eyebrows frequently went up r3 (oh really?) when I mentioned the Hobbyist program.t  3 I can report that VMS Marketing people *do* exist- n3 the one with whom I spoke had a tech background and   3 1) was very happy with the changes that have taken p 	place since the merger.  3 2) shares my positive outlook on the future of VMS.e  1 The PointSecure guy spent as much time talking upT/ VMS as he did promoting their products; he also 2 talked how VMS was called "cool and unhackable" at last year's DEFCON.   5 I asked him to see about PointSecure participating ins4 the hobbyist program.  He was very receptive to the  idea.   8 It came out that DEFCON is limiting attendance to linux  boxes this year.  :^(S   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800 919.874.3043   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:01:14 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reports' Message-ID: <3D3CAF5D.BFBA1EA6@fsi.net>f  $ "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote: > [snip]9 > It came out that DEFCON is limiting attendance to linux  > boxes this year.  :^(   A Well, yeah! I mean, how much humiliation can one person stand??!!    -- E David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2002 11:49:22 -0700$ From: JKoska@bender.com (John Koska), Subject: Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases= Message-ID: <aa5ec19e.0207221049.79ec63ee@posting.google.com>   f young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<Ebp3tbVW0SqY@eisner.encompasserve.org>...R > In article <eesgju4hbir9vgidm4fpteld2pqmomrual@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screa : > >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:53:43 GMT, "David J. Dachtera" > >>   > >>J > >>IMO, the point is that the loss if CLI and/or virtual console terminal( > >>will "break" many sites' procedures. > > B > >First off, there SSSU for HSV scripting.  I believe it's on the > >platform kit for the OS.c > >b > >>J > >>A former site of mine has backup procedures that are 100% dependent onI > >>being able to command HSx's from within an OpenVMS batch job to split.L > >>mirror-sets. They can't afford the performance degradation of shadow-setL > >>merging (50+ shadow-sets, can't guarantee they'll always mini-merge), soE > >>this was the only way to guarantee that would never happen again.U > >NF > >Second, the HSV is VIRTUAL storage.... you don't split-off mirrors.! > >It just doesn't work this way.s > >.F > >Unfortunately we don't have EVM support for the HSV yet, as this is< > >how most of our EBS solutions integrate with the process. > >mD > >You can write host-based scripts using SSSU, but in spite of whatH > >Andrew's been trying to imply, I don't necessarily recommend it since7 > >HP can't support all of the issues that may come up.i > >CH > >On the other hand, I just implemented some backups for a customer whoE > >insisted on using it (from VMS no less).  It worked.  We'd quiesce(E > >their application, then run a script to take all of the snapshots,FG > >present them to the backup host, and then use SYSMAN IO AUTO to make * > >them available for mounting and backup. > D > 	The issue of course is older database technology whereby you must9 > 	quiesce the volume, "break off" a copy and back it up.  > ? > 	While EVM is the recommended solution, from its description:- > B > http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10432_na/10432_na.html > K > Enterprise Volume Manager (EVM) is a web-enabled application program thatrL > enables users to create and execute jobs that use storage controller-based > snapshots and clones.  > C > 	It doesn't appear that runs out of a VMS batch queue.  So if the - > 	following line up (end-user requirements):  >  > 4 > 			1)  No Volume Shadowing as HSV does not support > 				mini-merge: > 			2)  Heritage database product that requires quiescing( > 				volumes and "break out" (or snap).4 > 			3)  EVM supported "clone" or "snapclone" method > @ > 	Seems 3) means there is an operator sitting there clicking on1 > 	something and we all know how well that works.n >  > 	What am I missing?? > K > 	What is the best solution if a backup is being driven from VMS and 1) + h > 	2) are true?f > 	 > 				Robo  ; Nice post.  I am in agreement and like wonderment with you.p  " I hope someone at HP is listening.   :) jck   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:13:20 GMTs! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzi, Subject: Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases% Message-ID: <3d3cad01.103444405@news>u  F Yep, we have HSG80s. Also use SWCC. Still use direct connection to theD CLI when I get problems via the SWCC GUI which is not that uncommon!  B Lack of a Serial Connection wouldn't be a show stopper here but itB strikes me as a needless loss of very useful funnctionality. Can't? actuall see us needing HSVs in the near or not so near future!    D On 22 Jul 2002 09:33:41 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:  Q >In article <eesgju4hbir9vgidm4fpteld2pqmomrual@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screa 29 >>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:53:43 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"V >>>  >>>FI >>>IMO, the point is that the loss if CLI and/or virtual console terminal ' >>>will "break" many sites' procedures.i >>A >>First off, there SSSU for HSV scripting.  I believe it's on the  >>platform kit for the OS. >> >>>nI >>>A former site of mine has backup procedures that are 100% dependent ondH >>>being able to command HSx's from within an OpenVMS batch job to splitK >>>mirror-sets. They can't afford the performance degradation of shadow-setwK >>>merging (50+ shadow-sets, can't guarantee they'll always mini-merge), so D >>>this was the only way to guarantee that would never happen again. >>E >>Second, the HSV is VIRTUAL storage.... you don't split-off mirrors.n  >>It just doesn't work this way. >>E >>Unfortunately we don't have EVM support for the HSV yet, as this is ; >>how most of our EBS solutions integrate with the process.  >>C >>You can write host-based scripts using SSSU, but in spite of what G >>Andrew's been trying to imply, I don't necessarily recommend it sincey6 >>HP can't support all of the issues that may come up. >>G >>On the other hand, I just implemented some backups for a customer who D >>insisted on using it (from VMS no less).  It worked.  We'd quiesceD >>their application, then run a script to take all of the snapshots,F >>present them to the backup host, and then use SYSMAN IO AUTO to make) >>them available for mounting and backup.B >WC >	The issue of course is older database technology whereby you must 8 >	quiesce the volume, "break off" a copy and back it up. >e> >	While EVM is the recommended solution, from its description: >nA >http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10432_na/10432_na.htmlr >aJ >Enterprise Volume Manager (EVM) is a web-enabled application program thatK >enables users to create and execute jobs that use storage controller-basedO >snapshots and clones. - >-B >	It doesn't appear that runs out of a VMS batch queue.  So if the, >	following line up (end-user requirements): >i >f3 >			1)  No Volume Shadowing as HSV does not support2 >				mini-merget9 >			2)  Heritage database product that requires quiescingg' >				volumes and "break out" (or snap). 3 >			3)  EVM supported "clone" or "snapclone" methodg >l? >	Seems 3) means there is an operator sitting there clicking one0 >	something and we all know how well that works. >  >	What am I missing? >3J >	What is the best solution if a backup is being driven from VMS and 1) +  >	2) are true? >V >				Rob >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:09:53 GMTu! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nzA, Subject: Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases% Message-ID: <3d3caa79.102795772@news>s  B I'm not sure that breaking off a shadow set in any format has been% supported for some database products.D  B I had a problem with shadowed devices with RDB - several years ago@ now!. The RDB Database in question had several Areas spread overD separate disks. I shutdown RDB completely and then dismounted one ofD the Members of the shadow set. Then did a Backup / Restore from tapeC of that disk to defragment it. RDB would not come back up, I had toh% revert to the un-defragmented volume.a  > Lesson was, use the RDB OnLine Backup utility and forget about splitting shadowsets etc.n  = I'd be wary of any Shadow / RAID1 splits at any level withoutnE extensive recovery testing and reading lots of fine print! Especially ( where multifile databases are concerned.  C You also start to get into the murky areas of "supported", it still E strikes me as curious that an OS designed for 365 x 7 stated that theeC only supported System Disk Backup was from a Standalone Backup. HasiE this changed? Yes you can split the System Disk shadow set, and, most 5 likely you'll get a recoverable system disk, but.....c  D On 22 Jul 2002 12:18:31 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:  M >In article <ahhdsf$hb0$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes: d >> In article <88WphCoBv34W@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:O >>>In article <ahh9jl$g1b$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes:wf >>>> In article <Ebp3tbVW0SqY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:U >>>>>In article <eesgju4hbir9vgidm4fpteld2pqmomrual@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screa p= >>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:53:43 GMT, "David J. Dachtera"n >>>>>>>  >>>>>>>e >>>> aS >>>> Unless you have a logging file system and flush out the caches I don't see hownE >>>> you can safely clone a volume without quiescing the application.e >>>> nK >>>> Am I missing something here ?  Cloning at the controller level withoutkR >>>> quiescing the application or flushing OS file system caches seems to me to beJ >>>> running the risk of capturing the data in the middle of transactions.T >>>> eg To complete a transaction you need to update two files. You have updated oneF >>>> file but then before you update the second the clone is produced.S >>>> A logging file system like Tru64s ADVFS will help to some extent with this butuQ >>>> that doesn't help if you were using UFS. Also although Oracle uses extensive T >>>> logs in a similar way to a logging file system it requires you to have producedP >>>> a checkpoint (which amongst other things flushes out caches) before you can >>>> take an online backup., >>>> nI >>>> Hence I don't think it is just "heritage" applications that would beo >>>> potentially at risk here. >>>> a >>>XF >>>	I had this lengthy reply and realized I was in several directions. >>>eA >>>	While what you bring up is correct, I believe you would be in ! >>>	the same spot with HSJ/HSG.  h >> aN >> No because you would quiesce the applications which were updating the disks# >> before you split the mirrorsets.t >> mQ >> That was the point I was trying to get across that this needs to be controlledw >> from the OS.DK >> Databases such as oracle are the prime example but this is more general.e >>  O >> Sure for many purposes a less than perfect backup is "good enough". If thats 1 >> the case then you can use backup/ign=interlocke >> rN >> However sometimes thats not good enough. Splitting shadowsets or mirrorsetsL >> isn't much better than backup/ign=interlock unless you have quiesced your >> applications. >> r >n: >	Right... and that is exactly what I am highlighting when >	I said at the outset:n > C >	The issue of course is older database technology whereby you must:8 >	quiesce the volume, "break off" a copy and back it up. >i< >	How do you do that with HSV?  You don't apparently (or you3 >	do it but it is unsupported as jlsue points out).t >u >> g >> O >>> The wrinkle is that I >>>	you would probably always have situations where you have inconsistentpG >>>	views of volumes.  As a for instance (from Encompasserve discussion D >>>	a year or two ago), you could be in the middle of a bucket splitI >>>	when backup occurs.  Something as simple as VMS mail bucket splittingdG >>>	at the point in time that MAIL.MAI was backup scanned, you won't be ! >>>	getting a consistent restore.d >>>o >> rO >> And if you were really concerned about this you would overcome it by loggingmL >> everybody who might be using mail off and stopping any SMTP mail deliveryH >> processes before you split the disks for the backups ie quiescing the >> application.r >> c >a& >	Sure... that is how you would do it. >r >> e >>>'B >>>	While what you bring up is of course a concern, I am trying toH >>>	drill down to a specific case that touches many of us (I'm certain),D >>>	i.e. databases that need to be quiesced and busted out.  What is >>>	the solution?t >>>e >> s >> fM >> Fine. I was just put off by the use of the phrase "heritage applications" i >> whichJ >> make it sound as though these applications are old fashioned and doing  >> something4 >> which a "modern" application wouldn't need to do. >> u >c> >	Put off?  Okay.  But I guess if something is 20 years old or@ >	older, it is safe to say it is heritage.  Anyhow, I was tryingH >	to highlight the fact that there are a number of database technologiesF >	that are older that don't have the luxury of being put in hot backupC >	mode whereby transactions are logged to archive logs, i.e. OracletA >	and/or RDB and of course the language may be munged but you gett >	the point. >e >				Rob >H   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:57:54 GMTO From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>a4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...2 Message-ID: <87lm83zddc.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:    L > this case indicated spec.org as the source of most of the numbers I quoted2 > (navigating their site is so straight-forward...  A Well, it's straight-forward to you. While you "don't place a high)C priority on retaining readers who aren't sufficiently interested tooE keep up.", such references will be important in the next few years. IoD would respectfully disagree that "spec.org" is a reference useful inD this context. While I understand that spec.org has a site index pageC on which I found cpu2000, I would not simply list "compaq.com" whenyB referencing OpenVMS. Please bear in mind that this reader does notB want repeat your research when following your argument's thread. IC think you understand this point when you write: "... just of layinghF out data of varying (and where possible specified) degrees of solidityC and suggesting conclusions that seem reasonable to draw from them."   J > http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/cpu2000.html ).  But I forgot to& > include the URL for the paper itselfA >  http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/files/unprotected/itanium2.pdf     Thanks   > And I gave it:  spec.org.o   Ibid #1.  -C >  This particular estimate came from a c.o.v. post by Ken Green on 
 >  July 10th.c  B Ibid #1.  I understand that you do not have to get *all* the facts> before you can make connections and draw a reasonably truthful> conclusion. In this case, a reference perfects your argument's  veracity to the critical reader.  E > And the feeling that an estimate may be if anything conservative isl< > even more resistant to quantification - but still entirely > legitimate to expressn   Agreed.e  6 > (in this case, my feeling was that the PA8800 shrinkJ > from the 8700's 180 nm process to 130 nm might well bump SPECint up moreK > than just 200 points from the roughly 700 - itself a SWAG - value for thea > new 875 MHz 8700).  D This illustrates a fine response to my criticism. The reader now hasF more information to judge your opinion. I like the balance between theB subjective and objective matter. It also provokes questions in the< alert reader: Where does HP publish these numbers? Is this aA significant shrink? What will be the relative change in benchmark / results as other vendors apply this technology?o  B Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I appreciate theF spirit in which you contribute your research. I will bear that in mind as I read your future reports.     -- t Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 02:38:13 GMTm* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...C Message-ID: <pk3%8.277204$Im2.14197263@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>p  , "sasadmin" <jec@nospam.net> wrote in message, news:87lm83zddc.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net... >c. > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >iG > > this case indicated spec.org as the source of most of the numbers I  quoted4 > > (navigating their site is so straight-forward... >PC > Well, it's straight-forward to you. While you "don't place a highpE > priority on retaining readers who aren't sufficiently interested totE > keep up.", such references will be important in the next few years..  F They'll also change several times over the next few years, as new SPEC@ benchmarks replace SPEC2K and higher-performance versions of the  currently-listed systems appear.    IF > would respectfully disagree that "spec.org" is a reference useful inF > this context. While I understand that spec.org has a site index pageE > on which I found cpu2000, I would not simply list "compaq.com" when  > referencing OpenVMS.  F Huge difference in site complexity (and VMS prominence) that makes the comparison silly.n  .  Please bear in mind that this reader does notB > want repeat your research when following your argument's thread.  K They don't need to:  they only need to repeat the research if they feel the-L need to validate what I've said.  I certainly have no objection to that, butH I'm not inclined to do extra work myself to avoid the *possibility* thatJ someone might actually expend their own effort in such validation (since IE both consider that possibility fairly low and believe that if someone K actually *is* that interested doing a bit of digging themselves will likelye! be a worthwhile effort for them).4    IE > think you understand this point when you write: "... just of laying H > out data of varying (and where possible specified) degrees of solidityE > and suggesting conclusions that seem reasonable to draw from them."' >nL > > http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/cpu2000.html ).  But I forgot to( > > include the URL for the paper itselfB > >  http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/files/unprotected/itanium2.pdf >  > Thanks >i > > And I gave it:  spec.org.e >r
 > Ibid #1. >aE > >  This particular estimate came from a c.o.v. post by Ken Green onl > >  July 10th.g > D > Ibid #1.  I understand that you do not have to get *all* the facts@ > before you can make connections and draw a reasonably truthful@ > conclusion. In this case, a reference perfects your argument's" > veracity to the critical reader. >rG > > And the feeling that an estimate may be if anything conservative is > > > even more resistant to quantification - but still entirely > > legitimate to express  >d	 > Agreed.t >n8 > > (in this case, my feeling was that the PA8800 shrinkL > > from the 8700's 180 nm process to 130 nm might well bump SPECint up moreI > > than just 200 points from the roughly 700 - itself a SWAG - value fori theo > > new 875 MHz 8700). > F > This illustrates a fine response to my criticism. The reader now hasH > more information to judge your opinion. I like the balance between theD > subjective and objective matter. It also provokes questions in the> > alert reader: Where does HP publish these numbers? Is this aC > significant shrink? What will be the relative change in benchmarki1 > results as other vendors apply this technology?p >nD > Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I appreciate theH > spirit in which you contribute your research. I will bear that in mind  > as I read your future reports.  C And thanks for taking the time to suggest possible improvements.  InK appreciate the thought, but I already devote considerably more time to thisiL than I really care to and simply am not about to add much additional effort:J as I said, I'm not in the business of convincing people or leading them byI the hand, just of making sure that relevant information is made available K and to a large degree letting them make of it what they will after offering  my own interpretation.  H But when people take the time to respond (as you did) I'm happy to fleshH things out more, since exactly *what* additional details are of interestG become evident (rather than fleshing *everything* out just in case...).o   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:44:04 -0400 , From: David Michaels <michaedi@email.uc.edu>$ Subject: MV 3400 won't keep settings, Message-ID: <3D3C7CA4.E5C95047@email.uc.edu>   Hi' I'm "trying" to run a Microvax 3400....b  H When I turn the machine off, I lose the date and the default boot device etc...  C Is this a problem with a battery?? Are there instructions somewhereCE where I can remedy this problem?? Is this something that I'm going tot need to leaern top live with ?  	 Thank You    David Michaels michaedi@email.uc.edul   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:16:46 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: MV 3400 won't keep settingsK Message-ID: <rdeininger-2207022016470001@1cust140.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   ; In article <3D3C7CA4.E5C95047@email.uc.edu>, David Michaels> <michaedi@email.uc.edu> wrote:   >Hii( >I'm "trying" to run a Microvax 3400.... >lI >When I turn the machine off, I lose the date and the default boot devicei >etc...  >iD >Is this a problem with a battery?? Are there instructions somewhereF >where I can remedy this problem?? Is this something that I'm going to >need to leaern top live with ?a  J It sounds like the battery has gone bad.  Not surprising, given the age of the machine.  H I suspect, but I'm not positive, that the battery is the same as the oneI used in the microvax 3500.  That one is an odd-size NiCd that's connectedpH to the system via wires soldered to the ends.  You might be able to findH the battery at a Radio Shack, but you'll likely need to do the soldering	 yourself.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:50:31 GMTe+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> ( Subject: Re: MV 3400 won't keep settings+ Message-ID: <3D3C9D77.48DC5EB0@ins-msi.com>I   David Michaels wrote:e >  > Hi) > I'm "trying" to run a Microvax 3400....a > J > When I turn the machine off, I lose the date and the default boot device > etc... > $ > Is this a problem with a battery??  @ Most probably. There is a battery pack behind the console panel.  " > Are there instructions somewhereG > where I can remedy this problem?? Is this something that I'm going tom  > need to leaern top live with ? >  > Thank Youu >  > David Michaels > michaedi@email.uc.eduy  
 Jeff Campbelle n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:12:47 -0700 (PDT)f. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>  Subject: Octal counting in DCL ?? Message-ID: <20020722211247.1071.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>   	 Dear Sirsr  * Is there a way to count in octal in DCL ? 
 I am saying: e  , octal=octal+1 etc ....  octal = 777+1 = 1000  3 I would like to make a counter to jump automaticalyt0 from 7 to 10, from 177 to 200, from 1777 to 2000 etc ...    Regards    FC 	       =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilu fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:54:59 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com>1$ Subject: Re: Octal counting in DCL ?/ Message-ID: <3D2F4DDC.52207810@eps.zko.dec.com>2  + > Is there a way to count in octal in DCL ?s  5 > I would like to make a counter to jump automaticalys2 > from 7 to 10, from 177 to 200, from 1777 to 2000  % DCL counts in 32 bit binary integers.y0 DCL is willing to interpret strings octal values1 DCL is willing to output integers as octal valuesh* ergo... DCL can be made to count in octal. For example:, $write sys$output f$fao("!OL", %o177 + %o1 )7 $write sys$output f$integer(f$fao("!OL", %o177 + %o1 ))    Try this procedure:o   $ type tmp.com   $if p2.eqs."" then p2 = 10 $if p1.eqs."" then p1 = 170R $x = p1n $i = 0 $loop:1 $x = f$integer(f$fao("!OL", %o'x' +1))    ! Magic 
 $i = i + 1 $write sys$output i, " ", xt $if i.lt.p2 then goto loop $exith   $ @tmp 775 5 1 776e 2 777f 3 1000 4 1001 5 1002   @tmp 1 171  2 172n 3 173s 4 174o 5 175s 6 176d 7 177g 8 200f 9 201r 10 202   Grins, Hein.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:41:40 -0400e* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: RE: Octal counting in DCL ?- Message-ID: <0033000073501494000002L042*@MHS>B  7 =0AYou certainly like doing things the hard way, Fabio.   0 I can't think of a simple way to do this in DCL.  2 I think it'd be much easier to increment a decimal< counter and convert using one of the !O directives in f$fao.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETc# Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:12 PMvB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET  Subject: Octal counting in DCL ?    	 Dear Sirsa  ) Is there a way to count in octal in DCL ?> I am saying:  2 octal=3Doctal+1 etc ....  octal =3D 777+1 =3D 1000  3 I would like to make a counter to jump automaticaly40 from 7 to 10, from 177 to 200, from 1777 to 2000 etc ...a   Regards    FC       =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DGI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=a =3D=3D F?bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brI =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=n =3D=3D  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:02:19 +0200n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> $ Subject: Re: Octal counting in DCL ?' Message-ID: <3D3C80EB.27B90E90@aaa.com>l  8 If we keep apart the *counting* from the *presentation*, the following works :t   $ a = 7 ! $ write sys$output f$fao("!OW",a)t 000007 $ a = a + 1e! $ write sys$output f$fao("!OW",a)t 000010 $  $ 	 $ a = 127r! $ write sys$output f$fao("!OW",a)a 000177 $ a = a + 1o! $ write sys$output f$fao("!OW",a)s 000200 $u $n
 $ a = 1023! $ write sys$output f$fao("!OW",a)n 001777 $ a = a + 1s! $ write sys$output f$fao("!OW",a)w 002000  ) So count in decimal and display in octal.X  , "seven plus one" is always "eight" no matter# if it's in bin, oct, dec or hex :-)h     Jan-Erik Sderholm.c     Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Dear Sirs  > + > Is there a way to count in octal in DCL ?o > I am saying: > . > octal=octal+1 etc ....  octal = 777+1 = 1000 > 5 > I would like to make a counter to jump automaticalyn2 > from 7 to 10, from 177 to 200, from 1777 to 2000	 > etc ...  > 	 > RegardsD >  > FC >  > =====o > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilk > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?* > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:10:36 -0700h+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>n$ Subject: Re: Octal counting in DCL ?' Message-ID: <3D3C82DC.7030500@mmaz.com>e   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  
 >Dear Sirs > + >Is there a way to count in octal in DCL ? i >I am saying:  >h- >octal=octal+1 etc ....  octal = 777+1 = 1000o >  u >t V4100$ a=%O6 + %O2 V4100$ sh sym at-   A = 8   Hex = 00000008  Octal = 00000000010	   Barry    -- y  @ Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028r   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2002 22:51 CDTh' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) $ Subject: Re: Octal counting in DCL ?- Message-ID: <22JUL200222513288@gerg.tamu.edu>,  2 Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes...+ }Is there a way to count in octal in DCL ?   }I am saying:  } - }octal=octal+1 etc ....  octal = 777+1 = 1000t } 4 }I would like to make a counter to jump automaticaly1 }from 7 to 10, from 177 to 200, from 1777 to 2000p	 }etc ... i }  }Regards }  }FC   D Counting is counting and bits are bits. The bit pattern of the octalB value 12 is identical to the bit pattern for the decimal value 10.) Internally the symbols are all in binary.m  4 If your constants are in octal, prefix them with %o.  F The output routine "write sys$output" (and any other destination) justG assumes you want the output of numbers to be decimal. You can use F$FAOa to do output in octal.   $ write sys$output %o17+1a 16& $ write sys$output f$fao("!OL",%o17+1) 00000000020>  
 $ x = %o77 $ x = x + 1o! $ write sys$output f$fao("!OL",x)	 00000000100y   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:31:21 GMTt0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)7 Subject: Re: One of Terry's shoes seems to have droppedt8 Message-ID: <3d0f61f3.836724015@proxy.news.easynews.com>  4 On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:17:45 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> wrote:B  L >Well, if I am the Terry to which you refer, I am currently wearing no shoes- >(despite my support for SHOES FOR INDUSTRY).e   Shoes for the dead?  :-)   > I first heard of the IPF4 >Consolidation four days prior to the announcement.   C Four days before we engineers working on Alpha products heard aboutoC it.  The first inkling we had that it was going to happen was presso rumors over the weekend.   >A month prior to the K >announcement, I was out doing Alpha pitches just like Compaq employees. IfrM >you have a problem with that, please contact my lawyer and put in a claim. InL >will gladly reimburse every single cent you have paid me for Alpha-specific8 >advice, plus interest at the rate of 2.01386 per annum. >pL >And t'is true, the deal was known only to uppermost management almost until >announcement day.  F They didn't trust the affected employees with the information ahead ofF time--and rightly so, IMO.  The Boston Globe would've found out within$ minutes of the employees being told.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.a   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 2002 20:16:30 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 - XFC ECO 2 !!! When ?????o* Message-ID: <ahhp6u$gp3$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  q In article <20020715180509.43212.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:p, :I would like a postion of the XFC ECO 2  ?  :n+ :A few threads ago, Hoffmann promised it to.
 :12-JUL-2002.a :Until now - nothing ! o : 0 :We tested our ES-40 with the XFC activated and 6 :we had great results of performance with ORDB 7.0-64.4 :But, despite the problems with the cache, we turned :the system to VIOC !   I   We are quite deliberately holding the release of the XFC V2.0 ECO kit, rI   pending the (full and correct) completion of the regression test suite,sG   as well as some associated specific field testing, as well as testingy)   with the OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 release.    I   The current ESTIMATE for release of this ECO will be contemporary with mI   the release of OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1.   Again, this release schedule is fJ   an ESTIMATE.  (And yes, the astute reader will notice that I have quite 3   deliberately NOT posted a specific release date.)h  J   As has been previously requested, please continue to use the VCC (VOIC) J   cache pending the release of XFC V2.0.  Please set the system parameter J   VCC_FLAGS to 1 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 (only), pending the release of XFC    V2.0 ECO kit, or later.r  J   Getting an XFC V2.0 ECO kit out that is both functional and stable is a H   high priority, as is a similarly functional and stable V7.3-1 release.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:05:20 -0400@; From: "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>s, Subject: RE: OpenVMS webring:  Where's Mike?K Message-ID: <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4901479EF6@rlghncst964.usps.gov>t  & Why is it that posting before millions# that you're having trouble finding ., something/someone is the final prerequisite  to finding something/someone?    :^)y  * http://www.brick.net/~taylor/tms/index.htm   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----" From: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC # Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:55 PMe To: 'INFO-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com'e' Subject: OpenVMS webring: Where's Mike?2    ' Does anybody have information as to ther& whereabouts of Mike Taylor, who is the" ringmaster of record for the ring?  ' I've sent email to tetranet and gtw.nete$ to see if they have any information.   ========================  William W. Webb / DSSC/RLM, USPS OpenVMS Support Services& 4924 Green Road Raleigh, NC 27616-2800 919.874.3043   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:23:23 +0100eE From: Jamie Stallwood <this.no.work.try.something.else@project76.net>  Subject: oVMS *VAX* 7.3 distro8 Message-ID: <uomojusrq7boapl8itpta1ochkk267efa9@4ax.com>  A Just as a guide, how much would one expect to have to pay for thet media kit for VMS?  B I am a hobbyist awaiting my membership registration and am looking? forward to getting a working version on my VS3100/38 - and no Io1 haven't yet checked the compatability but I will!p   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:57:02 GMTt1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l" Subject: Re: oVMS *VAX* 7.3 distro' Message-ID: <3D3CAE61.9A2C7E9B@fsi.net>n   Jamie Stallwood wrote: > C > Just as a guide, how much would one expect to have to pay for thes > media kit for VMS?   Um, a *LOT*?  E Seriously - if you can borrow it from work, or ask an associate to dor so, you'll be much better off.  D > I am a hobbyist awaiting my membership registration and am lookingA > forward to getting a working version on my VS3100/38 - and no I 3 > haven't yet checked the compatability but I will!d  D Not sure, so you're right: better check the supported hardware list.   -- l David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:11:48 +0100 (BST)tF From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: RDB questions@ Message-ID: <20020723031148.91495.qmail@web21005.mail.yahoo.com>  
 Hello all,, I installed RDB Kit from Oracle Technet site1 successfully. I would also like to install OracleP5 CDD/Repository. Is this also available as part of the - Kit? Or is it available seperately for free? s  * ALso why install SQL Services? What is it?  6 The RDB list at JCC is quite inactive and I didn't get a response there.    Thanks & regards Kesavh  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Everything you'll ever need on one web pagei- from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts  http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:10:19 +0800e  From: "Glenn" <enw@iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: RDB questions3 Message-ID: <3d3cd7e1$0$26753@echo-01.iinet.net.au>e  C I don't know about CDD/Repository, but SQL Services is the "server"uI component which allows (local or remote) external processes to access Rdb. databases via SQL.   G2  > Tadimeti Keshav <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message: news:20020723031148.91495.qmail@web21005.mail.yahoo.com... > Hello all,. > I installed RDB Kit from Oracle Technet site3 > successfully. I would also like to install Oracle 7 > CDD/Repository. Is this also available as part of thea. > Kit? Or is it available seperately for free? >l, > ALso why install SQL Services? What is it? > 8 > The RDB list at JCC is quite inactive and I didn't get > a response there.t >t > Thanks & regards > Kesav' >a4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?- > Everything you'll ever need on one web pages/ > from News and Sport to Email and Music Chartsl > http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 05:09:44 GMT<L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: RDB questions8 Message-ID: <00A11554.F2D5F356@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <20020723031148.91495.qmail@web21005.mail.yahoo.com>, =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> writes:h >Hello all, - >I installed RDB Kit from Oracle Technet sitet2 >successfully. I would also like to install Oracle6 >CDD/Repository. Is this also available as part of the. >Kit? Or is it available seperately for free?   H Not that I know of.  This is a different product (although it relies on J and interoperates with Rdb, Rdb doesn't rely on it) and if you're startingF a hobbyist installation you're probably just as well off not using it.  M (I have some 17 years worth of TDMS apps and Datatrieve stuff that won't  run"M without it, so _I'm_ stuck with it, but modern development doesn't require ite at all.)   >e+ >ALso why install SQL Services? What is it?p  L As another poster said, it's the component that talks SQL on the network (orL to other processes in the same machine).  The ODBC driver is implemented as # a SQL Services client, for example.s   > 7 >The RDB list at JCC is quite inactive and I didn't get  >a response there. p  G I just returned from six days away from email on Saturday and I had 82 .K messages from the oraclerdb list at JCC in that time, so I wouldn't call itdI "quite inactive"; more like "somewhat busy."  I don't recall seeing your  0 question, though, so I suspect it didn't go out.   -- Alan-  O ===============================================================================b0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056hM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210IO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:56:43 -0700a# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: SET DEF to rooted logical questione9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMENOFGAA.tom@kednos.com>   6 have a rooted logical, say DEFINE A DISK$DKA100:[B.C.]  B then DIR A:[D.C] works fine, suggesting the syntax is well-formed, but if I SET DEF A:[C.D] it complains  B %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and other
 delimiters  L I suppose I need to add /TRANS=NOCONCEAL?  Why do the two commands treat the string differently? ---m& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:31:13 GMT.+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>=/ Subject: Re: SET DEF to rooted logical questionn+ Message-ID: <3D3C6EC2.48D71E18@ins-msi.com>    Tom Linden wrote:. > 8 > have a rooted logical, say DEFINE A DISK$DKA100:[B.C.] > D > then DIR A:[D.C] works fine, suggesting the syntax is well-formed,
 > but if I > SET DEF A:[C.D] it complains > D > %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and other > delimiters  E Directory C is the last directory in the defined path. If you need to = refer to it use A:[000000.D]. Of course, A:[D] is equivalent.a   > N > I suppose I need to add /TRANS=NOCONCEAL?  Why do the two commands treat the > string > differently?  9 Because there is no DISK$DKA100:[B.C.C.D] directory path. 5 From your example   DISK$DKA100:[B.C.D.C] does exist.a   > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002  
 Jeff CampbellL n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:46:16 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>n/ Subject: RE: SET DEF to rooted logical questionx9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEOHFGAA.tom@kednos.com>t   >-----Original Message-----e3 >From: Jeff Campbell [mailto:jcampbell@ins-msi.com] $ >Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 2:31 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Re: SET DEF to rooted logical question >- >- >Tom Linden wrote: >>  9 >> have a rooted logical, say DEFINE A DISK$DKA100:[B.C.]< >> 1E >> then DIR A:[D.C] works fine, suggesting the syntax is well-formed,3 >> but if I0 >> SET DEF A:[C.D] it complainsn   Made a typo, meant   SET DEF A:[D,C]    >> aE >> %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and others
 >> delimiterst >dF >Directory C is the last directory in the defined path. If you need to> >refer to it use A:[000000.D]. Of course, A:[D] is equivalent. >i >>  = >> I suppose I need to add /TRANS=NOCONCEAL?  Why do the two i >commands treat theI	 >> string. >> differently?N > : >Because there is no DISK$DKA100:[B.C.C.D] directory path.6 >From your example   DISK$DKA100:[B.C.D.C] does exist. >D >> ---) >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.l= >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).rC >> Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/20023 >D >Jeff Campbell >n8wxs@arrl.net= >3 >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.a; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).iA >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002D >= ---=& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:04:38 +020029 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>=/ Subject: Re: SET DEF to rooted logical questionu& Message-ID: <3D3C8176.ED043CA@aaa.com>  5 You can't have a "," in your directory specification.t Jan-Erik Sderholm.h   Tom Linden wrote:  > G > >> then DIR A:[D.C] works fine, suggesting the syntax is well-formed, 
 > >> but if Io! > >> SET DEF A:[C.D] it complains2 >  > Made a typo, meant > SET DEF A:[D,C]7 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:07:01 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>0/ Subject: RE: SET DEF to rooted logical question"9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMEOHFGAA.tom@kednos.com>   E Well, now I know I need new glasses, that was obviously another typo.o   >-----Original Message-----o. >From: Jan-Erik Sderholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]$ >Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:05 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 >Subject: Re: SET DEF to rooted logical question >  > 6 >You can't have a "," in your directory specification. >Jan-Erik Sderholm. >t >Tom Linden wrote: >>H >> >> then DIR A:[D.C] works fine, suggesting the syntax is well-formed, >> >> but if I" >> >> SET DEF A:[C.D] it complains >> >> Made a typo, meanto >> SET DEF A:[D,C] >> >a >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).YA >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002. >o ---n& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:23:42 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>i/ Subject: Re: SET DEF to rooted logical question=' Message-ID: <3D3C85EE.930B6A02@aaa.com>0   Thought so :-)  - If you add /TRANS=CONC to your DEFINE commandr
 it will work.a   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   Tom Linden wrote:  > G > Well, now I know I need new glasses, that was obviously another typo.6 >  > >-----Original Message------0 > >From: Jan-Erik Sderholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]& > >Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:05 PM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 > >Subject: Re: SET DEF to rooted logical question > >a > > 8 > >You can't have a "," in your directory specification. > >Jan-Erik Sderholm. > >a > >Tom Linden wrote: > >>J > >> >> then DIR A:[D.C] works fine, suggesting the syntax is well-formed, > >> >> but if I$ > >> >> SET DEF A:[C.D] it complains > >> > >> Made a typo, meantR > >> SET DEF A:[D,C] > >> > >o > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.t= > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).lC > >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002t > >  > ---l( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:55:10 -0400t0 From: "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: SMISERVER Bytlim problem"/ Message-ID: <ujort2e5srot7c@corp.supernews.com>-   Answer:-  K I believe I have found the answer in the ASK Questions support pages on them
 VMS Web Site:)      K    [OpenVMS] SYSMAN Generates SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM Messages On All Remote Nodes3L Copyright (c) 1989, 2001. Compaq Computer Corporation.  All rights reserved.  F PRODUCT:    Compaq OpenVMS VAX, Versions 5.0 through 5.5 (fixed 5.5-1)  . COMPONENT:  System Management Utility (SYSMAN)  ' SOURCE:     Compaq Computer CorporationR     BACKGROUND:   C This article discusses the SYSMAN Utility.  For more information onpD using this utility, please refer to the "VMS SYSMAN Utility Manual", (AA-LA26B-TE).     SYMPTOM:  C Under some circumstances, remote commands issued through the SYSMANu. Utility fail with the following error message:  1      %SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM, exceeded byte count quotai  ? The problem occurs after one node invokes SYSMAN and issues thetA SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER and DO commands.  When other nodes in thes> cluster attempt to do the same, the EXBYTLM error is returned.  0 NOTE:  This problem is NOT reproducible at will.  E More information may be found in the ECO-SUMMARY and VMS databases ina an article entitled:  -      *OpenVMS] CSCPAT_0274 SYSMAN ECO Summaryn    	 SOLUTION:   0 This problem is corrected in OpenVMS VAX V5.5-1.    
 WORKAROUND 1:h  > Stop the SMISERVER process on all nodes, then restart it.  The# following steps should be executed:-  <  a.  Stop the SMISERVER process on each node in the cluster:  G           $ SHOW SYSTEM  (to obtain the PID # of the SMISERVER process)2*           $ STOP/IDENTIFICATION=pid_number  ?  b.  Restart the SMISERVER process on each node in the cluster:.  F         $ @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP SMISERVER (to restart SMISERVER process)    
 WORKAROUND 2:f  B Examine the SYSGEN parameter 'DEFMBXBUFQUO' on the system targetedF toward and record the current value.  The following commands should be used:         $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGEN      SYSGEN> SHOW DEFMBXBUFQUO,      Parameter Name            Current   ...@      --------------            -------   ...   (partial display),      DEFMBXBUFQUO                 1056   ...  = The SMISERVER process on the target system should have enoughoC buffer_limit quota for three mailboxes of this size.  In this case,aD the /BUFFER_LIMIT parameter specified in the SMISERVER startup file:  2      SYS$STARTUP:VMS$BASEENVIRON-050_SMISERVER.COM  ! needs to be set at or above 3168.e  C To increase the /BUFFER_LIMIT value, edit the above file and change = '/buffer_limit=nnn' to the appropriate value.  (You will neede> privileges to edit this file.)  Once this is done, restart the7 SMISERVER process as specified in the first workaround.O  E NOTE:  Newer versions of OpenVMS VAX have preset the /BUFFER_LIMIT toaC        a value of 40960.  There is no need to increase this furtherl/        before restarting the SMISERVER process.t  I NOTE:  This workaround is still a valid troubleshooting tool for OpenVMS,pH        V7.2-1H1.  DEFMBXBUFQUO was set to 64000 and the SYSTEM-F-EXBYTLM>        errors occurred. The /BUFFER_LIMIT was set to 192000 inF        VMS$BASEENVIRON-050_SMISERVER.COM and it corrected the problem.    
 WORKAROUND 3:-  E An ECO (patch) kit, CSCPAT_0274, correcting these symptom(s) for V5.4-8 through V5.5 of OpenVMS VAX is available electronically.  B An evaluation of how these symptoms may affect your site should be- done before applying this kit to your system.i     ECO KIT ORDERING INSTRUCTIONS:  @ If you are not familiar with how to request kits electronically,> please open the DIA or DSNLINK database and review the article	 entitled:   J   [AES] How To Electronically Request ECO (Patch) Kits Using Service Tools     INSTALLATION NOTES:e  C In order for the corrections in this kit to take effect, the systemtA must be rebooted.  If the system is a member of a VAXcluster, them" entire cluster should be rebooted.                  ; "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com> wrote in messageS) news:ujnugbaio34hd5@corp.supernews.com...hH > I have a 2-GS80's running 7.2-1H1 that is experiencing an intermittentE > problem with the SMISERVER.  When I try to issue $MOUNT/SYSTEM/SHADe insideC > SYSMAN I am getting an EXCEEDED BYTLIM  error message.  A command.	 procedureCK > in batch on one node goes into SYSMAN and sets the environment on the 2nd F > node and then issues the $MOUNT command to bring a third disk into a shadowL > set.  There are 13 shadow sets which we issue this command for inside thisJ > procedure, and the current MAX COPY is set to 6.  After about the 4th or 5thaJ > command issuance we get the EXCEEDED BYTLIM error and then it will occurK > every other issue of the MOUNT command.  We have raised BYTLM and JTQUOTAo inI > both the process used for SYSMAN and the PQL_  parameters in SYSGEN and K > restarted the SMISERVER but have seen it happen again .  Anyone else seen-& > this kind of problem with SMISERVER. >0	 > Thanks,m >D > Alan >h >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:15:00 GMTD0 From: rickm@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rick Millhollin)$ Subject: TSM and Newer Circuit Names1 Message-ID: <3d3c36e6.168226086@news.uoregon.edu>   C In the past I have been using TSM and home-grown COMs to set/changeoF DECserver parameters.  TSM used to be on the ConDist CDs but isn't any? more, and I think has been relegated to unsupported status now. D During the past year or so I have upgraded my VMScluster systems, soC the DECnet service cicuit on them all has changed to EWA-0.  When IrE try to change this for my DECservers in TSM it chokes and gives me ancC old out-of-date list of valid circuit names.  Since the database itaE keeps this in is an indexed file, I can't just edit it and change the-% string.  Does anybody know of either: = (1)  A newer version of TSM that knows about EWA circuits, orh: (2)  A indexed file editor I could hack the database with?	 Thanks...   1 Rick Millhollin, Director of Computing Facilities @ University of Oregon Computing Center, Eugene, Oregon 97403-12120 Phone: (541)346-1730  FAX: (541)346-6438 or 4397C E-mail: rickm123@oregon456.uoregon789.edu (remove anti-spam digits)i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:04:46 GMT?1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n( Subject: Re: TSM and Newer Circuit Names' Message-ID: <3D3CB031.6D0317E5@fsi.net>_   Rick Millhollin wrote: > E > In the past I have been using TSM and home-grown COMs to set/change H > DECserver parameters.  TSM used to be on the ConDist CDs but isn't anyA > more, and I think has been relegated to unsupported status now.GF > During the past year or so I have upgraded my VMScluster systems, soE > the DECnet service cicuit on them all has changed to EWA-0.  When I,G > try to change this for my DECservers in TSM it chokes and gives me antE > old out-of-date list of valid circuit names.  Since the database iteG > keeps this in is an indexed file, I can't just edit it and change the1' > string.  Does anybody know of either:.? > (1)  A newer version of TSM that knows about EWA circuits, or < > (2)  A indexed file editor I could hack the database with? > Thanks...i  D I believe TSM is available as freeware on the old Q/OpenVMS website.  D Otherwise, an ANALYZE/RMS/FDL, a little care with EDT (or TPU if the< records are too long) and a CONVERT/FDL might do it for you.   -- t David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:42:49 -0500p+ From: Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net>-( Subject: Re: TSM and Newer Circuit Names- Message-ID: <3D3CC2A9.B6297CD6@bellsouth.net>a   Rick Millhollin wrote: > E > In the past I have been using TSM and home-grown COMs to set/change.H > DECserver parameters.  TSM used to be on the ConDist CDs but isn't anyA > more, and I think has been relegated to unsupported status now.hF > During the past year or so I have upgraded my VMScluster systems, soE > the DECnet service cicuit on them all has changed to EWA-0.  When IsG > try to change this for my DECservers in TSM it chokes and gives me anpE > old out-of-date list of valid circuit names.  Since the database it(G > keeps this in is an indexed file, I can't just edit it and change thet' > string.  Does anybody know of either:a? > (1)  A newer version of TSM that knows about EWA circuits, or < > (2)  A indexed file editor I could hack the database with? > Thanks...h >   F If you get ECO 7 for TSM it supports EWA circuits.  But I did run intoD the same problem for EIA circuits.  I wrote a simple Fortran program1 to modify the entry in the database.  Works fine.n   Shaelo   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jul 02 12:10:19 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comcL Subject: Re: WATCHER (was Re: Command Procedure to logoff inactive users...)( Message-ID: <2XMAIp+GC2cV@cpva.saic.com>  ? In article <OF23636A4F.E9B46A52-ON85256BFE.0054A3A4@metso.com>,   norm.raphael@metso.com writes:a >  >  > / I > / What does SDA say about the process after the delivery of the initial + > / $forcex? Is there a force exit pending?h > /I > K > I am not sufficently proficent to check this.  I suppose I could set up a=J > process and issue a single $forcex, the go look with SDA if I knew whereH > to look and what to look at/for.  Is this an easy sequence to detail a > procedure for? > " You should get enough info by just   $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM SDA> SHOW PROCESS/ID=xxxxxxxx=  * and then observe at the top of the display  = Process index: 004F   Name: MCKINNEY   Extended PID: 2060BDCFa= -------------------------------------------------------------e3 Process status:          02040001  RES,PHDRES,INTERo2         status2:         00000001  QUANTUM_RESCHED    G the process status bits will be decoded. If there's a delete pending itDF will list DELPEN, force exit pending, FORCPEN, etc... you can find the1 potential PCB status values in SYS$SHARE:LIB.REQ.l  9 I assume that process in not in some resource wait state?   K > In the case where two doesn't do it, would three be a reasonable thing totL > try?  Or maybe a second pass with two at the processes remaining after theM > first pass, if any?  Or a longer wait between the first and second $forcex?s  H Can't say whether 2 will cause different behavior than 3. It all depends upon why one wann't adequate.   K If a command procedure is trapping the exit and restarting the program thengL you might want to alter the call to $forcex to specify a failing exit statusL and have the command procdure poll for it. For example, you might  set it to	 42 and...]  
 $run_program:e
 $ run programx& $ if $status .eq. 42 then logout/brief  H Don't know what status is normally provided by WATCHER. It could be thatJ just altering it to be a -F- or -E- if it's not aalready so, would satisfy5 a potential condition handler in the program as well.0   >  > -Norm, >  >  >  >  -- a - Jim  --A mailto: James.F.McKinney@cpmx.SAIC.com | SAIC SE | (617) 484-8063e@ spamto: postmaster@ftc.gov,postmaster@sec.gov,postmaster@fcc.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:45:02 -0700s# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s Subject: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMENPFGAA.tom@kednos.com>o  ? Compiling on a VAX (7.1) using VAXC032 for VMS5.5-2 using thoseC, libs.  Missing the above symbol in the link.  L How do you find the entry names in an OLB?  Is there any way to dump it ontoL standard out and pipe it to search?  I tried /CROSS=SYMBOL found the name of theM module, extracted it and did: pipe anal/obj C$VAXCIO.obj | sear sys$output vaxc$dsprintf  $ but this will try anyone's patience! ---n& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:49:59 -0600g From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>3# Subject: Re: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF & Message-ID: <3D3C6FF7.1050005@srv.net>   Tom Linden wrote: A > Compiling on a VAX (7.1) using VAXC032 for VMS5.5-2 using thosee. > libs.  Missing the above symbol in the link. > N > How do you find the entry names in an OLB?  Is there any way to dump it ontoN > standard out and pipe it to search?  I tried /CROSS=SYMBOL found the name of > the  > module, extracted it and did< > pipe anal/obj C$VAXCIO.obj | sear sys$output vaxc$dsprintf > & > but this will try anyone's patience!   How are you linking?  ' You should be using a command line likeo   	$ link myfile, sys$input:/opt 	sys$share:vaxcrtl.exe/share 	^Ze  D LINK for VAXC doesn't automatically hook up to the shared libraries.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:28:24 -0400 1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com>b* Subject: XP1000 DEAL AS REQUESTED BY C.O.V/ Message-ID: <ujp1lbmhj5p78d@news.supernews.com>   	 FOR SALE:    XP1000 667MHZ 4MB CACHE FLOPPY AND CDROM 512MB MEMORY 9GB 10KRPM DISKa 2 X 10/100 NIC	 ESS SOUNDw VMS KEYBOARD MOUSEo   $2995 LIMITED QUANTITY   -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street- Savannah GA 31404  Toll Free: 1-877 636 43320 International: 001 912 447 6622?  Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.nett www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:22:15 +0100"( From: Mr Beermat <beermat.geo@yahoo.com>$ Subject: [hobbyist] VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP8 Message-ID: <elmoju0a7doppte22qlgj89bo97u6reulk@4ax.com>  B I've a nice pair of MicroVAX 3100s I want to connect up to my home net.E I can install VAX OpenVMS 7.2 from the hobbyist CDROM, but don;t have-D a clue for setting up DECnet & TCP/IP such that I can do things likeF FTP to / from the VAXen and Telnet login to a VAX. Can someone explainB the necessary installation / configuration procedure simply for me please?n   thanks,s greg   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:19:57 +0200n9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>2( Subject: Re: [hobbyist] VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP' Message-ID: <3D3C850D.AE88E4D4@aaa.com>   8 Install and configure TCPIP Services, and there you go !   Or was that a bit to simple ?.   How about :e   1. Get a copy of the TCPIP kit.]  2. Read the installation manual. 3. Install it. 4. Read the management manual. 5. Configure it.  7 Explain your problem a bit more in detail, and I'm sure  we'll be able to help.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.      Mr Beermat wrote:r > D > I've a nice pair of MicroVAX 3100s I want to connect up to my home > net.G > I can install VAX OpenVMS 7.2 from the hobbyist CDROM, but don;t have F > a clue for setting up DECnet & TCP/IP such that I can do things likeH > FTP to / from the VAXen and Telnet login to a VAX. Can someone explainD > the necessary installation / configuration procedure simply for me	 > please?- > 	 > thanks,? > greg   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:55:20 GMT31 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y( Subject: Re: [hobbyist] VMS 7.2 & TCP/IP' Message-ID: <3D3CADF9.5826D424@fsi.net>    Mr Beermat wrote:  > D > I've a nice pair of MicroVAX 3100s I want to connect up to my home > net.G > I can install VAX OpenVMS 7.2 from the hobbyist CDROM, but don;t haveaF > a clue for setting up DECnet & TCP/IP such that I can do things likeH > FTP to / from the VAXen and Telnet login to a VAX. Can someone explainD > the necessary installation / configuration procedure simply for me	 > please?a  E Well, essentially, Jan-Erik covered it. The Hobbyist CD-ROM (like thetA usual V7.2 disrot.) includes a (now superceded) version of TCP/IP:@ Services for OpenVMS (p.k.a. "UCX" for "Ultrix Connection"). I'dH recommend installing DECnet Phase IV, unless you're really into the full learning experience.  A If you can get through the installations, you must still face theaB configurations gorgon. If you can get past that, then a hub and/orF router between you and your next link to your ISP (cable modem, (A)DSL modem, etc.) should set you up.3  # The doc.'s can be found on-line at::  " http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems0 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.402 ************************