1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 23 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 403       Contents:, Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes  Another article mentions OpenVMS$ Re: Another article mentions OpenVMS" CIXCD firmware upgrade experiences& Re: CIXCD firmware upgrade experiences; Re: different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine ; Re: different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine ; Re: different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine 8 Re: filename argument in java on VMS, it is working now. For sale: AlphaStation 250+ Formation VMS disponible/Training available ( Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascal$ How to access Oracle with DEC Pascal( Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascal( Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascal( Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascal= How to create a shareable image from an object library (long) 2 HOw to find number of processor and CPU model name6 Re: HOw to find number of processor and CPU model name0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report# Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases # Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases * Re: HSV Adaptive caching - how is it done?* Re: HSV Adaptive caching - how is it done?> Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...)> Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...)+ Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... % Mail degraded from VAX 6.2 to VAX 7.3 ) Re: Mail degraded from VAX 6.2 to VAX 7.3  Re: MV 3400 won't keep settings  Re: Octal counting in DCL ? # Re: OpenVMS webring:  Where's Mike?  Questions about license paks  Re: Questions about license paks  RE: Questions about license paks re: RDB Questions  Re: RDB Questions  Security Banner displayed  Re: Security Banner displayed  Re: Security Banner displayed  Re: Security Banner displayed  Re: Security Banner displayed  security monitoring  Re: security monitoring  Re: security monitoring  Re: Terminal input from DCL  Re: Terminal input from DCL  Re: TSM and Newer Circuit Names ( Re: Upgrading from 7.2-1 and latest ECOsE usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine  Re: VMS commitment3 Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient. 3 Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient. 3 Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient. % RE: what security products secure VMS  Re: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTF [OT] bulk eMail  Re: [OT] bulk eMail  Re: [OT] bulk eMail   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 10:39:17 +0100C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 5 Subject: Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes - Message-ID: <3d3d1635.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>   @ In article <3D3C90C3.2090401@gce.com>, GcE <gce@gce.com> writes: |>danco@pebble.org wrote: < |>> In article <3D3C6A8C.2070408@gce.com>, G Everhart wrote: |>>  |>> ( |>>>The tape is in VMS Backup format.... |>>  |>> , |>> Still cutting tapes in this day and age?* |>> That brings back memories of magtapes. |>> 	 |>> - Dan  |>G |>Actually the masters have been on CD-R for some years now. It is much  |>easierD |>to find CD-R drives than most forms of tape. Before that they were |>usually onJ |>4mm or 8mm tape, at least in my hands. The name has not changed, nor has |>the @ |>philosophy...just the medium. Since distribution is a chain of
 |>volunteers, E |>you may find it on Lord only knows what media if you find the right  |>people to G |>ask. A 4mm tape or 8mm tape will still hold it, but I gave up on TK50 I |>years ago, even though I do have an old drive I probably could hook up.  |> |>Glenn Everhart |> |>   Glenn,  J for those, who do (nothing but) disk burning all the day, it would be fine the get the image @ online. I remember this proposal was issued already in the past.   eberhard   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:10:57 GMT , From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>) Subject: Another article mentions OpenVMS = Message-ID: <lJb%8.22349$vB3.743414@twister.southeast.rr.com>    Why HP could be king of servers 9 http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/07/23/5745879    --   Kenneth Farmer http://www.Tru64.org http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.LinuxHPC.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:59:00 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG - Subject: Re: Another article mentions OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <00A115D9.8EE9DFA9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <lJb%8.22349$vB3.743414@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org> writes: >   >Why HP could be king of servers: >http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=02/07/23/5745879 >  >--  >  >Kenneth Farmer  >http://www.Tru64.org  >http://www.OpenVMS.org  >http://www.LinuxHPC.org >  >   G I'd like to purchase an Intel Alpha chip -- such as is mentioned by the % cited article.  Where can I buy one?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:07:25 +0100 ( From: Ade <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com>+ Subject: CIXCD firmware upgrade experiences 3 Message-ID: <3D3D38ED.5BDA62EA@unnecessary.csc.com>    Hi,   ( Firstly, has anybody actually done this?  G We have recently done this on a VAX 7640 and found, to our dismay, that C this procedure only appears to work if you have a single CPU in the E system. A bit of  an issue if you don't have an engineer present. Any F more and the box machine checks. Has anyone else found this? Is this a
 'feature'?   Ade    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:04:54 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net / Subject: Re: CIXCD firmware upgrade experiences 8 Message-ID: <qge%8.26499$927.24007@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  = In article <3D3D38ED.5BDA62EA@unnecessary.csc.com> you wrote: * > Firstly, has anybody actually done this?  . I've updated the firmware in four CIXCD cards.  I > We have recently done this on a VAX 7640 and found, to our dismay, that E > this procedure only appears to work if you have a single CPU in the G > system. A bit of  an issue if you don't have an engineer present. Any H > more and the box machine checks. Has anyone else found this? Is this a > 'feature'?  = The CIXCD cards I updated were installed in VAX 7730 systems, 9 two in each system.  I didn't have to remove or otherwise : disable the additional CPUs in either system to update the	 firmware.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net = Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:10:54 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>D Subject: Re: different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine& Message-ID: <3D3CF36E.8010809@home.nl>   wing wrote:  > Hi,  > D > I have a binary executables which is well tested in my developmentF > machine, but when I deliver to clients, the binary encounters error.  < What kind of errors ? Usualy error messages are quite clear.       > 2 > I have carefully examine that code and it is OK. > D > Is there any chance that a binary behaves differently in different1 > machine?  If so, any precautions to avoid this?   M Did you check if those machines have the latest real time libraries loaded ?  B Otherwise your executable will not run (library version mismatch).       > G > The compile I am using is Compaq C++ V6.3-020 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3   > ! > Thanks in advance for any idea,  >  > Wing   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:09:51 GMT 0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)D Subject: Re: different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine8 Message-ID: <3d3d8c97.351362472@proxy.news.easynews.com>  ? On 22 Jul 2002 20:45:58 -0700, wingwong@witty.com (wing) wrote:   C >I have a binary executables which is well tested in my development E >machine, but when I deliver to clients, the binary encounters error.  > 1 >I have carefully examine that code and it is OK.   B Obviously it isn't OK, or you wouldn't have this problem.  There's SOMETHING wrong somewhere.  C >Is there any chance that a binary behaves differently in different 0 >machine?  If so, any precautions to avoid this?  @ Certain classes of errors can exhibit this sort of behavior.  In particular:   D 1) Uses of uninitalized variables, especially those in registers andA on the stack.  In this case the behavior of the program is at the = mercy of what garbage happens to be in the variable, and that @ can vary depending all sorts of environmental factors, includingC things like the hardware configuration or what programs the process  has run in the past.  ; 2) Stray memory references (out-of-bounds array references, ; references through stale or garbage pointers, references to ; heap-allocated memory that's been freed, use of stack local ? variables after returning from the routine that allocated them, > etc.).  These have the same sorts of environmental depenendies as (1), above.  : 3) Referencing data in an I/O input buffer before the data transfer's completed.   D 4) Deallocation of an I/O buffer while I/O is in progress.  A commonB case of this is starting an asynchronous QIO using a buffer on the; stack, then returning from the routine that issued the QIO.   < 5) Timing-dependent bugs, such as simultaneous access by two@ asynchronously-executing threads of control (ASTs fall into this< category, as well) to the same data structure without proper= interlocking.  Such code may run fine on one machine and then F fail on a different machine that is faster, slower, or has a different mix of jobs running.  A 6) Code that erroneously depends on a particular configuration of  I/O devices.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:11:52 GMT 0 From: prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski)D Subject: Re: different behavior of a C++ binary in different machine8 Message-ID: <3d3d8ec2.351917320@proxy.news.easynews.com>  ? On 22 Jul 2002 20:45:58 -0700, wingwong@witty.com (wing) wrote:   C >Is there any chance that a binary behaves differently in different 0 >machine?  If so, any precautions to avoid this?  B Another one I forgot to mention that can crop up on Alpha systems:  D There have been extensions to the Alpha architecture over the years.< For example, starting with the EV56, Alpha has byte and wordD instructions.  If you compiled your application to make use of theseB instructions, the executable might not work properly on EV4 or EV5 systems.  
 ---------- Remove 'Z' to reply by email.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:23:48 -0300 # From: "June Young" <jy@dymaxion.ca> A Subject: Re: filename argument in java on VMS, it is working now. 2 Message-ID: <aye%8.40825$Z6.540881@nnrp1.uunet.ca>   Yehh, thank you all.  J I defined .jar attributes as stream_lf and added double quote soutside the class name,  my test program is working now.   
 June Young    : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:u0LrVCW$lpVC@eisner.encompasserve.org... A > In article <sb_Z8.39372$Z6.469626@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "June Young"  <jy@dymaxion.ca> writes: > > $ > > I also set up the java$classpath > > sh log java$classpath A > >    "JAVA$CLASSPATH" = "DYM$DISK:[DYMAX.LUCENE]LUCENE-1_2.JAR"  > > (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) ; > >         = "DYM$DISK:[DYMAX.LUCENE]LUCENE-DEMOS-1_2.JAR"  > >         = "[]" > > H > > I know the class path should be right,because it works on NT, but on vms, I > > get: > >  > G >    Most likely your .jar files are not in stream-lf.  Nothing will be - >    found in them if they are not stream-lf.  > L >    The usual process for getting .jar files (or .zip files with classes in$ >    them) from another platform is: >   >       1) FTP using binary mode > E >       2) set file xxxxx.jar /attributes=(rfm:stmlf,mrs:0,lrl:32767)  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:46:39 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> # Subject: For sale: AlphaStation 250 ' Message-ID: <3D3CFBCE.F8477864@Free.fr>   K Available in France, Alphastation 250 4/266 "naked", with CD-ROM drive (the H drawer one) floppy and Ethernet card. No terminal no keyboard no cables.  5 Super for a new Hobbyist knowing where to find parts.    May run VMS and Linux.   Price: US$ 900 or  900    D. --  2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:22:41 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 4 Subject: Formation VMS disponible/Training available' Message-ID: <3D3D043F.F2016278@Free.fr>   B Pendant l't, offrez  vos collaborateurs un rappel VMS sur site.8 During summertime, train your temporary workers on site.  < 902	Skills for users	              Concepts et environnement? 922	System and Network node operations Commandes et utilitaires @ 934	OpenVMS Clusters Management        Exploitation d'un clusterG (supprim par/suppressed by COMPAQ)     Introduction  DECnet et TCP/IP C 910	Alpha Programming Features 1       Programmation sous OpenVMS 1 C 912	Alpha Programming Features 2       Programmation sous OpenVMS 2 I 924	System Troubleshooting             Maintenance et dpannage d'OpenVMS ; 904	System and Network management 1    Gestion du systme 1 ; 906	System and Network management 2    Gestion du systme 2 < (supprim par/suppressed by COMPAQ)     DECnet-Plus dtaill6 936	TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS        TCP/IP dtaill; 926	Configuring and Managing Clusters  Gestion des clusters < 908	System performance management      Tuning et performanceG 932	Internals for System Managers      Internes d'OpenVMS : gnralits J 916	OpenVMS 7.3 Update Seminar         Migration vers OpenVMS 7.3 + GalaxyE 400	Alpha Systems technology           La technologie Alpha (OpenVMS) I 914	Alpha Internals 1                  Les internes d'OpenVMS 1 (thorie) E 928	Alpha Internals 2                  Les internes d'OpenVMS 2 ("C") I 930	Alpha Internals 3                  Les internes d'OpenVMS 3 ("Macro") > 918	Crash Dump Analysis 1              Analyse de crashdumps 1> 920	Crash Dump Analysis 2              Analyse de crashdumps 2   Tarifs sur demande.  Prices on request.  # Le cot de la prestation comprend :   = o  Support de cours personnalis (une production (c) Morandi) G o  Frais de sjour et de dplacement (Europe francophone et anglophone) - o  Un an d'assistance par tlphone ou eMail.   # The cost of this training includes:    o  course material (c) Morandi- o  instructor's full travel expenses (Europe)   o  one year of tel/eMail support   On recherche des formateurs.; We are looking for instructors (English or French speaking)   9 For training outside Europe, please get in touch with us.    D. --  2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:06:11 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 1 Subject: Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascal ' Message-ID: <3D3D62D3.40BE023B@aaa.com>   6 You need the development "tools" for Oracle "Classic"./ I'm pretty sure that the Rdb tools do not work.   < Now, if there is Oracle "Classic" tools for DEC-Pascal, well that's another question...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Christian Mck wrote:  >  > Hello all, > F > I would like to know how to access an Oracle-DB (not Rdb) from a DECJ > Pascal application. I did not find any information about precompilers or4 > so on the net. Is there a way to use Rdb Sqlmod's?7 > We currently use DEC Pascal V5.5-51 and Oracle 8.1.7.o >  > Any suggestions ?S >  > Thanks > Chrisi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:03:11 +0200u? From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=FCck?= <muklzukl@netscape.net>i- Subject: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascala, Message-ID: <3D3D540F.5A6643DB@netscape.net>  
 Hello all,  D I would like to know how to access an Oracle-DB (not Rdb) from a DECH Pascal application. I did not find any information about precompilers or2 so on the net. Is there a way to use Rdb Sqlmod's?5 We currently use DEC Pascal V5.5-51 and Oracle 8.1.7.a   Any suggestions ?    Thanks Chriso   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:44:53 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk1 Subject: Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascalb+ Message-ID: <ahk165$df9$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <3D3D62D3.40BE023B@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:n7 >You need the development "tools" for Oracle "Classic".a0 >I'm pretty sure that the Rdb tools do not work. >o= >Now, if there is Oracle "Classic" tools for DEC-Pascal, well  >that's another question...e >   ; Oracle classic ships with precompilers PRO*COBOL, PRO*C etc-K There certainly used to be a PRO*PASCAL but I can't say for sure whether itt still exists for Oracle 8.1.7s  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >Jan-Erik Sderholm. >  >Christian Mck wrote: >> e
 >> Hello all,  >> aG >> I would like to know how to access an Oracle-DB (not Rdb) from a DECdK >> Pascal application. I did not find any information about precompilers or 5 >> so on the net. Is there a way to use Rdb Sqlmod's? 8 >> We currently use DEC Pascal V5.5-51 and Oracle 8.1.7. >> i >> Any suggestions ? >> b	 >> Thanks  >> Chris   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:02:01 GMTu& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>1 Subject: Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascal % Message-ID: <3D3D8A5A.2090407@hp.com>y   Christian Mck wrote:i > Hello all, > F > I would like to know how to access an Oracle-DB (not Rdb) from a DECJ > Pascal application. I did not find any information about precompilers or4 > so on the net. Is there a way to use Rdb Sqlmod's?7 > We currently use DEC Pascal V5.5-51 and Oracle 8.1.7.e >  > Any suggestions ?  >  > Thanks > ChrisE >   F And if you cannot find the right precompilers, you could always write H some small jacket routines in C.  You can access the Oracle-DB from the @ C routines and return the values back to the Pascal application.   -- b John Reagane' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader- Hewlett-Packard Company-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:17:39 +0100c5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> 1 Subject: Re: How to access Oracle with DEC Pascale" Message-ID: <3d3d821f@news.wau.nl>  H I don't think there exist a Pascal precompiler, but you could still makeE calls to the OCI-library (Oracle Call Interface), using the C callinge conventions. See:rL http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle8i/doc_library/817_doc/appdev.817/ a76975/toc.htm   hthi
 rob van lopik   3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:3D3D62D3.40BE023B@aaa.com...v8 > You need the development "tools" for Oracle "Classic".1 > I'm pretty sure that the Rdb tools do not work.r >h> > Now, if there is Oracle "Classic" tools for DEC-Pascal, well > that's another question... >r > Jan-Erik Sderholm.p >. > Christian Mck wrote:i > >u > > Hello all, > >>H > > I would like to know how to access an Oracle-DB (not Rdb) from a DECL > > Pascal application. I did not find any information about precompilers or6 > > so on the net. Is there a way to use Rdb Sqlmod's?9 > > We currently use DEC Pascal V5.5-51 and Oracle 8.1.7.a > >> > > Any suggestions ?h > >w
 > > Thanks	 > > Chrisk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:30:38 -0700b, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>F Subject: How to create a shareable image from an object library (long)4 Message-ID: <ahjpaf$ti4hu$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  5 I had occasion to do this, so thought I'd share.  Thes( object library is libcurl available from4 http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/ This library allows you1 to write programs to do various things that a web7< browser would do.  We use it for programmicaly communicating@ to web servers with HTTP post and get, but it can do a lot more.  @ The provided build script makes a libcurl.olb which provides the4 curl_ routines that are called from the application.> I could have linked each application against this library, but8 since the plan was to have several processes running the> application at the same time, it made sense to use a shareable image to reduce memory usage.w  > The trick to making the shareable image is to create an option5 file with all the entry points.  This is pretty easy.n  6 First list all the entry points in the object library.  , $ library/list=libcurl.opt/names libcurl.olb  : In libcurl.opt, you will see a header and then lines like:  
 Module BASE64e   CURL_BASE64_DECODE CURL_BASE64_ENCODE   Module CONNECT   CURL_CONNECTHOST
 CURL_NONBLOCKi  @ There's more than this, but this will do for an example. In yourD favorite editor, remove all the blank lines and those lines starting# with "Module", this now looks like:    CURL_BASE64_DECODE CURL_BASE64_ENCODE CURL_CONNECTHOST
 CURL_NONBLOCK   ; To make these into procedure entries for the symbol_vector,e, use a learn sequence to make them look like:   CURL_BASE64_DECODE=PROCEDURE, -l CURL_BASE64_ENCODE=PROCEDURE, -i CURL_CONNECTHOST=PROCEDURE, -  CURL_NONBLOCK=PROCEDURE, -  > This library was built from C code using /names=uppercase (the? default).  I like to provide upper and lower case entry points,-A especially if a shareable is to be used from different languages.m8 So I added an lower case alias to each entry, like this:   CURL_BASE64_DECODE=PROCEDURE, -22 curl_base64_decode/CURL_BASE64_DECODE=PROCEDURE, - CURL_BASE64_ENCODE=PROCEDURE, -.2 curl_base64_encode/CURL_BASE64_ENCODE=PROCEDURE, - CURL_CONNECTHOST=PROCEDURE, -r. curl_connecthost/CURL_CONNECTHOST=PROCEDURE, - CURL_NONBLOCK=PROCEDURE, -( curl_nonblock/CURL_NONBLOCK=PROCEDURE, -  5 (good time to learn how to do learn sequences in EVE) ? Add the top and bottom sections to make it a real options file,e note removal of last comma.m   case_sensitive=YES GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,1000  SYMBOL_VECTOR=( -? CURL_BASE64_DECODE=PROCEDURE, -e2 curl_base64_decode/CURL_BASE64_DECODE=PROCEDURE, - CURL_BASE64_ENCODE=PROCEDURE, -e2 curl_base64_encode/CURL_BASE64_ENCODE=PROCEDURE, - CURL_CONNECTHOST=PROCEDURE, - . curl_connecthost/CURL_CONNECTHOST=PROCEDURE, - CURL_NONBLOCK=PROCEDURE, -' curl_nonblock/CURL_NONBLOCK=PROCEDURE -- )- case_sensitive=NOe  $ Now create your shareable like this:  + $ link/share=libcurl.exe libcurl.olb/lib, -e         libcurl.opt/option, -d4         [--.OPENSSL-0_9_6D.AXP.EXE.SSL]libssl/lib ,-7         [--.OPENSSL-0_9_6D.AXP.EXE.CRYPTO]libcrypto/libb  0 Needed those other two libraries to support SSL.  , To link an application using this shareable.  & $ define libcurl disk:[dir]libcurl.exe) $ link /exe=app.exe app.obj,sys$input/opt            libcurl/sharea  6 At runtime be sure the definition of libcurl points to9 the shareable library so the image activator can find it.f: As a side benefit linking against the shareable versus the7 object library is significantly faster, this can make a " real difference in large projects.  
 Regards,  Jims   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:16:55 +0530o5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> ; Subject: HOw to find number of processor and CPU model name / Message-ID: <ujqcjplqrvg6a8@corp.supernews.com>-   Hi,.  K Is there any system call by which I would know the number of processors ande, processor name on OpenVMS VAX/ALPHA systems.   Thanks Sandeep.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:49:01 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e? Subject: Re: HOw to find number of processor and CPU model nameo' Message-ID: <3D3D349D.A3CD44BD@aaa.com>m  < Check $GETSYI and items SYI$_AVAILCPU_CNT, SYI$_HW_MODEL and
 SYI$_HW_NAME.s   Jan-Erik Sderholm.E     Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote: >  > Hi,h > M > Is there any system call by which I would know the number of processors andi. > processor name on OpenVMS VAX/ALPHA systems. >  > Thanks	 > Sandeepb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:58:09 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reportw) Message-ID: <3D3D1AA1.2879AA02@127.0.0.1>a   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > & > "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote:
 > > [snip]; > > It came out that DEFCON is limiting attendance to linuxa > > boxes this year.  :^(r > C > Well, yeah! I mean, how much humiliation can one person stand??!!h  E Therefore I think it's time to have a system permanently connected tobB the Internet as a continuous challenge. Don't forget the games ;-)   -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot com(   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 07:20:48 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)f9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report 3 Message-ID: <9l3WdAM2JJPQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>n   In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4901479EFD@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes:o > : > There's a new emphasis on VMS as an e-business solution.  4    New?  What evidence do you have that this is new?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:49:18 -0400f* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>9 Subject: RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reports- Message-ID: <0033000073578780000002L002*@MHS>/   =0AGreat minds, Nic-  & I mentioned *precisely that idea* to a) couple of the HP folks there, who thoughtu it would be a wonderful idea.n  ' Let's hope it gets talked around, sincej* there's no question that HP can afford the bandwidth...  * I said that offering a $10,000 prize would) generate far more publicity than could be5) purchased as advertising for that amount.    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET $ Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:59 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET9 Subject: RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report      "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >t& > "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote:
 > > [snip]; > > It came out that DEFCON is limiting attendance to linuxo > > boxes this year.  :^(t >rC > Well, yeah! I mean, how much humiliation can one person stand??!!   E Therefore I think it's time to have a system permanently connected to:B the Internet as a continuous challenge. Don't forget the games ;-)   --? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences4 nclews at csc dot com=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:31:19 -0400d* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>9 Subject: RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reportb- Message-ID: <0033000073587041000002L012*@MHS>m  4 =0A  The person making the presentation said that it   was a recent decision.  5   This decision was mentioned in the context of being>8   a direct contrast to the strategic decision made three5   years ago to (only?) promote VMS in specific marketD(   segments like telecom and health care.     WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET $ Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:33 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET9 Subject: RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reporte    H In article <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4901479EFD@rlghncst964.usps.g= ov>,? "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes: >e: > There's a new emphasis on VMS as an e-business solution.  5    New?  What evidence do you have that this is new?=a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:33:55 GMT-? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)i, Subject: Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases. Message-ID: <3d3d050b.654210@news.demon.co.uk>   Nope, not quite.   IF:n  D you are using a reasonable database technology (one that can recoverB from crashes), transactions (either explicitly or implicitly), andB have all the data and journals on the storage that is to be cloned   THEN:i  B The clone will guarentee to produce a snapshot of the data that is: concistent with the storage at a particular point in time.  
 THEREFORE:  @ The clone looks identical to the way the storage would look if a, system failure occured at that exact moment.    D Yes, there may be in-flight transactions.  Databases are expected toA present 'perfect' views of their storage, and are responsible foruF their own recovery.  In other words, the in-flight transactions shouldE be transparently rolled back -- normally at startup or at the time ofD the first access.8    E Systems that can not, under any configuration, handle clones also cansE not handle system failures.  From a data perspective they are one andk	 the same.e    B The sole reason I can see why a highly available system may not beF able to use cloning technology is if it can't manage to place both the@ database data files and the recovery logs in the same clone set.     Jim.  B On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:50:13 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  b >In article <Ebp3tbVW0SqY@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:R >>In article <eesgju4hbir9vgidm4fpteld2pqmomrual@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screa : >>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 01:53:43 GMT, "David J. Dachtera" >>>> m >>>>H >>>On the other hand, I just implemented some backups for a customer whoE >>>insisted on using it (from VMS no less).  It worked.  We'd quiescelE >>>their application, then run a script to take all of the snapshots,yG >>>present them to the backup host, and then use SYSMAN IO AUTO to make * >>>them available for mounting and backup. >>D >>	The issue of course is older database technology whereby you must9 >>	quiesce the volume, "break off" a copy and back it up.h >>? >>	While EVM is the recommended solution, from its description:i >>B >>http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10432_na/10432_na.html >>K >>Enterprise Volume Manager (EVM) is a web-enabled application program thateL >>enables users to create and execute jobs that use storage controller-based >>snapshots and clones.  >>C >>	It doesn't appear that runs out of a VMS batch queue.  So if the - >>	following line up (end-user requirements):c >> >>4 >>			1)  No Volume Shadowing as HSV does not support >>				mini-merge: >>			2)  Heritage database product that requires quiescing( >>				volumes and "break out" (or snap).4 >>			3)  EVM supported "clone" or "snapclone" method >>@ >>	Seems 3) means there is an operator sitting there clicking on1 >>	something and we all know how well that works.  >> >>	What am I missing?. >>K >>	What is the best solution if a backup is being driven from VMS and 1) + t >>	2) are true?s >>	 >>				Robw >> > O >Unless you have a logging file system and flush out the caches I don't see howaA >you can safely clone a volume without quiescing the application.T >oG >Am I missing something here ?  Cloning at the controller level without,N >quiescing the application or flushing OS file system caches seems to me to beF >running the risk of capturing the data in the middle of transactions.P >eg To complete a transaction you need to update two files. You have updated oneB >file but then before you update the second the clone is produced.O >A logging file system like Tru64s ADVFS will help to some extent with this but M >that doesn't help if you were using UFS. Also although Oracle uses extensiveaP >logs in a similar way to a logging file system it requires you to have producedL >a checkpoint (which amongst other things flushes out caches) before you can >take an online backup.n >RE >Hence I don't think it is just "heritage" applications that would beo >potentially at risk here. >  >. >  >David Webbo >VMS and Unix team leaderr >CCSSu >Middlesex University    >c   Jim Johnson  Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)-   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:49:33 +0000 (UTC)M From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk, Subject: Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases+ Message-ID: <ahjmtd$a2q$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  I In article <3d3caa79.102795772@news>, rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz writes:  >mC >I'm not sure that breaking off a shadow set in any format has beeno& >supported for some database products. >oC >I had a problem with shadowed devices with RDB - several years ago1A >now!. The RDB Database in question had several Areas spread over-E >separate disks. I shutdown RDB completely and then dismounted one of2E >the Members of the shadow set. Then did a Backup / Restore from tape D >of that disk to defragment it. RDB would not come back up, I had to& >revert to the un-defragmented volume. >=? >Lesson was, use the RDB OnLine Backup utility and forget abouto >splitting shadowsets etc. >m  9 Much more likely the defragmentation caused the problem. eG Defragmenting Database files if not a problem for all databases and alli9 defragmentation products is certainly a problem for many.BK Database products tend to bypass RMS and may do all sorts of strange thingsu in order to boost performance.  
 David webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:59:14 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>3 Subject: Re: HSV Adaptive caching - how is it done? B Message-ID: <m18%8.329870$vq.18186666@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Lglqt+vNiz4u@eisner.encompasserve.org...d >aA > http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/11008_na/11008_na.pdf  >-. > Read-Ahead and Adaptive Read Caching Support >0J > Read caching increases performance by satisfying host read requests from theeH > controller cache memory instead of from the physical disks. Enterprise0 > read cache has the following three properties: >tL >   Normal read caching - data read from physical disks and stored in cache.I >   Read-ahead - controller anticipates host need for sequential data andh stores$ > it in cache in advance of request.K >   Adaptive read caching - adaptive caching algorithms determine whether ahB > certain I/O stream is likely to benefit from caching in order to efficientlyw > manage the cache resource. >t >s9 > As the subject line suggests, what is adaptive caching?a  J Whatever Compaq may choose to define it as.  I'm also curious how a sharedK storage device accepting requests from multiple client nodes, each of which-G supports multiple processes each of which accesses potentially multiplebJ files in parallel, can single out 'a certain I/O stream' for examination -@ unless the OS tags every request with a unique 'stream ID' that,E concatenated with the client node ID, the device can use for context.l     CanO> > anyone provide an example of where adaptive caching would be& > a "win" whereas read-ahead wouldn't?  % A few of probably many possibilities:p  H 1.  Smarter read-ahead.  Reading ahead isn't always a win - e.g., if theL stream does have a sequential access pattern but is accessing data so slowlyF that data you read ahead just sits there for a long time (or even getsD evicted) before being used, tying up space that might better improve throughput if put to other use.a  J 2.  Smarter eviction.  Once cached data has actually been accessed, what'sH the likelihood it will be accessed again?  For a sequential stream, it's, often lower than for randomly-accessed data.  H 3.  Size-sensitive retention.  Imagine that contiguous blocks of data onH disk are accessed with the same frequency regardless of their size, withH sufficient (non-random) skew that caching is a win.  Since over a fairlyH wide range of sizes (certainly up to at least 64 KB) disk access time isF relatively independent of request size (e.g., if fetching one 512-byteF sector from a mid-range disk takes 10 ms., fetching 32KB of contiguousK sectors will take under 11 ms.), you will optimize system throughput (avoiduK more disk accesses, all of which cost about the same) by caching more smallaG blocks rather than fewer large blocks.  However, you want to cache evenhK large blocks at least briefly because caching the 'hottest' large blocks isgG still preferable to caching more but much 'cooler' small blocks - hence D retention becomes affected by block size, causing large blocks to beB retained for shorter periods (unless hit again) than small blocks.  D 4.  Effectiveness characterization.  In a multi-process environment,K allowing a single process to hog the cache just because it's doing a lot ofeJ disk access is questionable - especially if it's not getting effective useJ out of the cache because its accesses are too random to get many hits.  SoG if some I/O streams are getting higher percentages of hits than others, E biasing cache space (perhaps by increasing retention time) toward theiH streams with better hit rates improves overall system throughput withoutI noticeably hurting the unluckier streams (since they weren't getting manyiL hits anyway, but just taking up cache space while the minimal retention time	 expired).m  H 5.  History data.  An extension of the previous point is that simple LRUH caching is horrendously ineffective in handling cyclically-accessed dataB with a cycle just larger than the cache space.  If some additionalF per-I/O-stream history data is maintained about recently-evicted cacheL entries (such data being so much smaller than the entries themselves that itB doesn't noticeably impact useful cache size), such patterns can beI discovered and the stream's 'working set size' in the cache can either bewK expanded a bit to include the entire cycle or contracted if expansion won'ttK be effective (as described in point 4; note that as long as the space isn'tLK contracted to zero, the stream will still have a chance to cache 'hot' data,J that isn't part of the cycle - especially if the cache is 'segmented', but< segmentation is an entire additional subject all by itself).     Is it recognizing a patternU4 > of block hits and pre-fetching based on a pattern?  E Perhaps.  I remember being surprised quite some time ago to read thatdD Windows 98 (of all things) was exceptionally good at recognizing andE expediting such (not simple sequential) access patterns.  But I neverY, followed up on that to verify the assertion.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 11:22:51 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)C3 Subject: Re: HSV Adaptive caching - how is it done?l3 Message-ID: <xHNxvrWBO4rA@eisner.encompasserve.org>L  o In article <m18%8.329870$vq.18186666@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:e > : > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:Lglqt+vNiz4u@eisner.encompasserve.org...D >>B >> http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/11008_na/11008_na.pdf >>/ >> Read-Ahead and Adaptive Read Caching Supportu >>K >> Read caching increases performance by satisfying host read requests froms > thelI >> controller cache memory instead of from the physical disks. Enterpriseh1 >> read cache has the following three properties:l >>M >>   Normal read caching - data read from physical disks and stored in cache.eJ >>   Read-ahead - controller anticipates host need for sequential data and > stores% >> it in cache in advance of request.lL >>   Adaptive read caching - adaptive caching algorithms determine whether aC >> certain I/O stream is likely to benefit from caching in order tol
 > efficiently  >> manage the cache resource.f >> >>: >> As the subject line suggests, what is adaptive caching? > L > Whatever Compaq may choose to define it as.  I'm also curious how a sharedM > storage device accepting requests from multiple client nodes, each of whichdI > supports multiple processes each of which accesses potentially multiple0L > files in parallel, can single out 'a certain I/O stream' for examination -B > unless the OS tags every request with a unique 'stream ID' that,G > concatenated with the client node ID, the device can use for context.S >   B 	Thanks for the informative reply.  From a session, I recall being 	able to choose..   9 	Funny, no mention of adaptive caching in the User Guide:e  U ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/techdoc/enterprise/EK-E1HSV-UA-A01.pdf   > 	However, digging further on pdf page 95 (manual page 4-35) inD 	the "Management Appliance Element Manager for Enterprise Only User  	Guide:"  Q ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/techdoc/enterprise/AA-RQZBA-TE.pdfa  O Adaptive Read Caching - Adaptive read caching is a more advanced technique thaniJ read-ahead caching. The adaptive cache algorithms anticipate host requestsN based on previous patterns. The blocks of data most likely to be requested areI cached for quicker transmission to the host. A virtual disk's write cacheeG policy cannot be changed while the virtual disk is presented to a host.;  F 	So it is pattern based algorithms.  I scanned this whole guide before- 	but didn't recall that from a prior reading.-  > 	I imagine this would help database products that scan rows inH 	some sort of hippity-hop fashion (hopefully that wasn't too technical).   				Robp   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 00:13:57 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>G Subject: Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...)v- Message-ID: <87lm83viyi.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   A Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes:   D > In the absence of losing the battery power, an HSV presents a diskD > that is consistent with the I/Os done to it up to a specific pointB > in time.  Ignore where it is getting that data -- be it from itsD > cache, the on-disk cache, or the oxide.  The point is that the HSVC > can always, during operation, present a wholly consistent view ofu > that disk.  A But it does not. It is consistant from the other side of any host'? caches and buffers, but not nessisarily when seen from just the C HSV. And in fact, as we are talking SAN etc, possibly serveral hostdC resident caches.  Now even if we handwave and posit that they are ciC kept consistant, there is no mechinism to keep them also consistant C with the HSV as well.  If we want to form as snapshot/clone that is;A consistant, then we MUST ensure that all updates have got to someoF reference point (that need not be the disk, it could be the controller? cache) from all hosts. If one or more hold back data or, worse,D/ metadata, the base of the snap is inconsistant.   sF > It is therefore possible, reasonable, and probably required that anyC > snapshot facility operate against that presented view of the diskeD > contents, rather than some lower (inconsistent) state of the data.B > Doing so means that a snapshot operation will present a snapshotF > that matches the I/Os done to a disk up to a specific point in time.C > That is sufficient for a consistent snapshot.  No host operations< > need be involved.>  C The problem is that the `presented' data is not what the ontrollersDA can see. There is the caching and functional stuff that is in thepB hosts. That layer has to co-operate across all hosts, and with the8 controllers to ensure that the base for a snap is valid.   F > Does it work this way?  I don't know, but I'd be willing to bet that2 > it either does, or it uses something very close.   Close: dancing, artillary... i     -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:35:02 GMTh? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) G Subject: Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...)-/ Message-ID: <3d3d145c.4575599@news.demon.co.uk>r  F Unless you are saying that HSV disks become irretrievably corrupted inD the event of a system crash (something that I cannot bring myself toF believe), any and all caches held on any and all hosts are irrelevant.  D The consistent view that I was referring to, and the only consistent? view that matters if the previous paragraph is true, is the oneaE presented by the storage itself -- that certainly involves the cacheseC on the disk device, and probably involves caches on the controller.t= It does NOT involve caches at any higher layer of the system.    Jim.  E On 23 Jul 2002 00:13:57 +0800, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  B >Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes: >eE >> In the absence of losing the battery power, an HSV presents a disklE >> that is consistent with the I/Os done to it up to a specific point C >> in time.  Ignore where it is getting that data -- be it from its E >> cache, the on-disk cache, or the oxide.  The point is that the HSVgD >> can always, during operation, present a wholly consistent view of
 >> that disk.e >eB >But it does not. It is consistant from the other side of any host@ >caches and buffers, but not nessisarily when seen from just theD >HSV. And in fact, as we are talking SAN etc, possibly serveral hostD >resident caches.  Now even if we handwave and posit that they are cD >kept consistant, there is no mechinism to keep them also consistantD >with the HSV as well.  If we want to form as snapshot/clone that isB >consistant, then we MUST ensure that all updates have got to someG >reference point (that need not be the disk, it could be the controlleri@ >cache) from all hosts. If one or more hold back data or, worse,0 >metadata, the base of the snap is inconsistant. > G >> It is therefore possible, reasonable, and probably required that anyiD >> snapshot facility operate against that presented view of the diskE >> contents, rather than some lower (inconsistent) state of the data.aC >> Doing so means that a snapshot operation will present a snapshotaG >> that matches the I/Os done to a disk up to a specific point in time.pD >> That is sufficient for a consistent snapshot.  No host operations >> need be involved. >>D >The problem is that the `presented' data is not what the ontrollersB >can see. There is the caching and functional stuff that is in theC >hosts. That layer has to co-operate across all hosts, and with the 9 >controllers to ensure that the base for a snap is valid.' > G >> Does it work this way?  I don't know, but I'd be willing to bet thatp3 >> it either does, or it uses something very close.e >a >Close: dancing, artillary...  >	 >i >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd., 8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076s/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.iG >EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.    Jim Johnsonb Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2002 23:24:37 -0700/ From: Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon Batson)c4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...< Message-ID: <4495ef1f.0207222224.93b1b5c@posting.google.com>  t "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<NyL_8.311811$vq.17133223@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...' > <loopnz@hotmail.com> wrote in messaget8 > news:40ac1f47.0207211403.44ef226@posting.google.com... >  > ...l > 6 > > Why again are we VMS users concerned about Hammer? > J > Because of the likelihood that it will at least prevent Itanic (the onlyA > platform offering VMS any long-term future) from ever achievinguN > 'commodity'-level volume and pricing, and in the process quite possibly help > kill Itanic entirely.e >  > Any other questions?  ; Yes, please define the universe and give three examples :-)e   Brannont not speaking for Intel   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:37:47 GMTo* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...C Message-ID: <%Q6%8.279257$Im2.14362024@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>r  < "Brannon Batson" <Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:4495ef1f.0207222224.93b1b5c@posting.google.com...7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagea> news:<NyL_8.311811$vq.17133223@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...) > > <loopnz@hotmail.com> wrote in message>: > > news:40ac1f47.0207211403.44ef226@posting.google.com... > >e > > ...  > >d8 > > > Why again are we VMS users concerned about Hammer? > >oL > > Because of the likelihood that it will at least prevent Itanic (the onlyC > > platform offering VMS any long-term future) from ever achieving-K > > 'commodity'-level volume and pricing, and in the process quite possiblye help > > kill Itanic entirely.d > >B > > Any other questions? >o= > Yes, please define the universe and give three examples :-)   J One definition comes from (IIRC) Theodore Sturgeon:  "90% of everything isG crap."  If that doesn't define the entire universe, it (by definition!)h defines most of it.a  J Three examples?  Microsoft, Intel, and (from before the last Big Bang) IBMK (well, for our own little universe around here, anyway).  Though it's a bit K harsh to suggest that Sturgeon's Law applies at its full stated rate to then latter two.n  ? Now, it's your turn (and boy, do I have some good questions)...r   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jul 2002 23:54:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...- Message-ID: <87ptxfvjue.fsf@prep.synonet.com>$  , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  & > referring to the specific page: it's@ > http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/cpu2000.html ).  But I0 > forgot to include the URL for the paper itselfE > http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/files/unprotected/itanium2.pdf - and F > while I was able to track it down in my history folder I'm damned ifA > I can remember how I got there, though it was most likely via as( > reference from something else I read).  C From the comp.arch posting by the IA-64 designer? That, and anothery hp URL.k   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.v@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:56:57 +0010i% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auo. Subject: Mail degraded from VAX 6.2 to VAX 7.35 Message-ID: <01KKG0S9DIUQ000M59@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>e   Folks,  M This last weekend, I upgraded my sole remaining VAXstation from 6.2 to 7.3.  lF It is on this machine that I read my mail, including listservers like 	 Info-VAX.   K I noticed the following differences in DECWindows mail which I do not like.w  O 1).  When reading, and clicking on "delete" ">" or "move", which automatically eF brings up the next mail message in the same window, the incoming mail N "judders".  My expression meaning that it does not come up cleanly, but seems K to point at the middle or end of my mail message and shows that fleetingly eO before it settles itself at the beginning of the next mail message.  It is too sI quick to see the text that first appears, but it is damaging my eyesight.n  N 2).  Particularly with the large amount of mail from Info-VAX, I usually do a O PICK on subjects: many I can delete straight away and others I like to read as dI a thread.  Previously, three tabs down to the SUBJECT line in PICK would nN highlight the previous subject such that if I start typing a new subject, the H older one would be immediately erased.  This is common practice in many L windows applications and including the mail extract facility.  Now the tabs N just put me at the end of an unhighlighted topic and I manually have to erase.  M The number of times I have just added to the end of the previous subject and -J got "No messages picked"  I then have to remember to CANCEL the PICK menu L because the NEWMAIL folder is no longer highlighted.  Since the weekend the ( air is getting very blue around my desk.   *****a  N I have an Alpha (DEC 3000) which is clustered and which sits at VMS 7.2, so I O tried there, but that also gives me the same as my new (unliked) appearance on a VAX 7.3.  D I guess these changes must have happened in the 7.n ( n=0 or 1) era.  M I have applied the VAX 7.3 mail ECO, but that looks as if it just applies to a3 character cell.  In any case it did nothing for me.l  O I may have overlooked earlier discussion here about this, since I am sure that lI VMS mail afficiendos like Phillip H. would have noticed this.  (Though I  , vaguely remember he prefers character cell.)  N To VMS engineering, are these intentional changes or may I consider them bugs 3 and log a call to get my preferred behaviours back?n   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:15:44 +0100 (MET)m9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>a2 Subject: Re: Mail degraded from VAX 6.2 to VAX 7.3; Message-ID: <01KKFSUV31OY9870E1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>y  O > This last weekend, I upgraded my sole remaining VAXstation from 6.2 to 7.3.   H > It is on this machine that I read my mail, including listservers like  > Info-VAX.r > M > I noticed the following differences in DECWindows mail which I do not like.r  E I'm not sure when the BLISS-to-C rewrite (why oh why?!?!) was done; IsH jumped from 5.5-2 to 7.1. This introduced so many bugs that MAIL/OLD wasA introduced.  :-)  Perhaps you can get your DECwindows MAIL to runpH MAIL_OLD.EXE instead of MAIL.EXE and see if the problem is still there.   Q > I may have overlooked earlier discussion here about this, since I am sure that cK > VMS mail afficiendos like Phillip H. would have noticed this.  (Though I ;. > vaguely remember he prefers character cell.)   Indeed.   I Since I am reading comp.os.vms via infovax and not via NNTP, I wrote the tF code below to allow me to select threads and read from character-cell F MAIL.  The idea is to cut and paste the line printed on the screen to D select the thread.  Not completely bug-free, but works more or less.  H ---------------------8<-------------------------------------------------   $! THREAD_EMAIL_FOLDER.COM $!& $! handy for efficiently reading email $! $! $! parameter existence $! $  IF F$LENGTH(P1) .EQ. 0  $  THENt $    WSO "" / $    WSO "pass name of folder to be read as P1"-9 $    WSO "optionally pass name of temporary folder as P2"@	 $    EXITv $  ELSEb $    READ_FOLDER  = P1 $  ENDIF $  IF F$LENGTH(P2) .GT. 0  $  THEN  $    FILE_FOLDER  = P2 e $  ELSEr $    FILE_FOLDER := ZYXW $  ENDIF $! $! $! temporary files $!1 $  MF := SYS$SCRATCH:THREAD_EMAIL_FOLDER_MAI.LIS;t1 $  LF := SYS$SCRATCH:THREAD_EMAIL_FOLDER_DIR.LIS; 1 $  XF := SYS$SCRATCH:THREAD_EMAIL_FOLDER_XXX.LIS;a1 $  NF := SYS$SCRATCH:THREAD_EMAIL_FOLDER_NEW.LIS;t1 $  DF := SYS$SCRATCH:THREAD_EMAIL_FOLDER_DEL.LIS;a1 $  RF := SYS$SCRATCH:THREAD_EMAIL_FOLDER_REA.LIS;a. $  IF  F$SEARCH(MF) .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'MF'*. $  IF  F$SEARCH(LF) .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'LF'*. $  IF  F$SEARCH(LF) .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'XF'*. $  IF  F$SEARCH(LF) .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'NF'*. $  IF  F$SEARCH(DF) .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'DF'*. $  IF  F$SEARCH(RF) .NES. "" THEN DELETE 'RF'* $! $! $! parameters OK?r $!C $!check for existence of folder to be read and exit if not present?i $! $! $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_FILE $  OPEN/WRITE MAIL_FILE 'MF' $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  MAIL"/ $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     SELECT ''READ_FOLDER'"t $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     QUIT" $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  EXIT" $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_FILE# $  DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT 'LF'a	 $  @ 'MF'h $  DELETE/NOLOG 'MF' $  SEA/OUT='XF' 'LF' "%MAIL-"s $  DELETE 'LF' $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_STATUS $  OPEN/READ MAIL_STATUS 'XF'm $  READ MAIL_STATUS MESSAGE  $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_STATUS $  DELETE 'XF'L $  IF MESSAGE .EQS. "%MAIL-E-NOTEXIST, folder ''READ_FOLDER' does not exist" $  THENI $    WSO ""rJ $    WSO "the specified folder to be read (''READ_FOLDER') does not exist"	 $    EXITo $  ENDIF $! $!> $!check for existence of temporary folder and exit if present? $! $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_FILE $  OPEN/WRITE MAIL_FILE 'MF' $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  MAIL"/ $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     SELECT ''FILE_FOLDER'"e $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     QUIT" $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  EXIT" $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_FILE# $  DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT 'LF'p	 $  @ 'MF'( $  DELETE/NOLOG 'MF' $  SEA/OUT='XF' 'LF' "%MAIL-"e $  DELETE 'LF' $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_STATUS $  OPEN/READ MAIL_STATUS 'XF'p $  READ MAIL_STATUS MESSAGEe $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_STATUS $  DELETE 'XF'8 $  IF F$EXTRACT(0,18,MESSAGE) .EQS. "%MAIL-I-SELECTED, " $  THEN  $    WSO ""cI $    WSO "the specified temporary folder (''FILE_FOLDER') already exists"i	 $    EXITs $  ENDIF $! $! $! symbols needed latere $! $  QUOTE = """"qO $  MAX_LENGTH = F$GETDVI("SYS$OUTPUT","DEVBUFSIZ") - F$LENGTH(FILE_FOLDER) - 11c $! $! $! move to the temporary folderdA $! not really necessary, but allows incoming mail to be stored in 1 $! the original, presumably familiar folder name p $! $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_FILE $  OPEN/WRITE MAIL_FILE 'MF' $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  MAIL"/ $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     SELECT ''READ_FOLDER'"t; $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     FILE/ALL/NOCONFIRM ''FILE_FOLDER'"  $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     QUIT" $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  EXIT" $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_FILE	 $  @ 'MF's $  DELETE/NOLOG 'MF' $! $! $! get a list of subjectse $! $  OPEN/WRITE MAIL_FILE 'MF' $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  MAIL", $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     DIR ''FILE_FOLDER'" $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "     QUIT" $  WRITE MAIL_FILE "$  EXIT" $  CLOSE/NOLOG MAIL_FILE# $  DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$OUTPUT 'LF'p	 $  @ 'MF'f $  DELETE/NOLOG 'MF'8 $  SORT/NODUPLICATES/KEY=(POSITION:40,SIZE=41) 'LF' 'LF' $! $!> $! we want only the real subject, i.e. treat original message  $! and replies equally $  CLOSE/NOLOG DIR_LIS $  OPEN/READ DIR_LIS 'LF's $  CLOSE/NOLOG NEW_LIS $  OPEN/WRITE NEW_LIS 'NF'	 $RE_LOOP:a' $  READ/END=END_RE_LOOP DIR_LIS SUBJECTs $  LENGTH = F$LENGTH(SUBJECT) * $  TOPIC = F$EXTRACT(40,LENGTH-40,SUBJECT) $  LENGTH = F$LENGTH(TOPIC)e8 $  IF F$EDIT(F$EXTRACT(0,4,TOPIC),"UPCASE") .EQS. "RE: " $  THEN - $    BARE_SUBJECT = F$EXTRACT(4,LENGTH,TOPIC)t5 $    SUBJECT = F$EXTRACT(0,40,SUBJECT) + BARE_SUBJECT  $  ENDIF $  WRITE NEW_LIS SUBJECT
 $GOTO RE_LOOPn
 $END_RE_LOOP:  $  CLOSE/NOLOG DIR_LIS $  DELETE 'LF'*e $  CLOSE/NOLOG NEW_LISG $! the double sort is needed to retain empty subjects but put them lastr8 $  SORT/NODUPLICATES/KEY=(POSITION:41,SIZE=40) 'NF' 'NF'= $  SORT/NODUPLICATES/KEY=(POSITION:41,SIZE=40,DESC) 'NF' 'NF'n $! $! $! take some actionh $! $  OPEN/READ NEW_LIS 'NF'r $  R = 0 $  D = 0
 $ACTION_LOOP:t $! get rid of bogus recordst+ $  READ/END=DELETE_SUBJECTS NEW_LIS SUBJECTt4 $  IF F$EXTRACT(0,8,SUBJECT) .EQS. "You have" .OR. -4       F$EXTRACT(0,8,SUBJECT) .EQS. "        " .OR. -4       F$EXTRACT(0,8,SUBJECT) .EQS. "    # Fr" .OR. -4            F$LENGTH(SUBJECT) .EQS. 0               -    THEN GOTO ACTION_LOOP  $! we want only the real subject $  LENGTH = F$LENGTH(SUBJECT) , $  SUBJECT = F$EXTRACT(40,LENGTH-40,SUBJECT)	 $  WSO ""s $  IF F$LENGTH(SUBJECT) .EQ. 0 $  THENr $!   handle empty subject linese- $!   later, get this from some "include" filep $    ESC[0,8] = 27 $    BOLD = ESC + "[1m"o $    NORM = ESC + "[0m"iO $    WSO BOLD + "[none]" + NORM + " (will be added to read list automatically)"i $    ANSWER := R $    GOTO ALREADY_ANSWERED $  ELSE  $    WSO SUBJECT $  ENDIF	 $READ_IT: 	 $  WSO ""04 $  READ/PROMPT="Read or Delete? " SYS$COMMAND ANSWER0 $  ANSWER=F$EDIT(F$EXTRACT(0,1,ANSWER),"UPCASE") ALREADY_ANSWERED:W $  IF ANSWER .EQS. "R" $  THENP $    R = R + 1 $    IF R .EQ. 1	 $    THENs $      CLOSE/NOLOG READ_FILE  $      OPEN/WRITE READ_FILE 'RF'
 $    ENDIF $    WRITE READ_FILE SUBJECT $  ELSE@ $    IF ANSWER .EQS. "D"	 $    THENJ $      D = D + 1 $      IF D .EQ. 1 $      THEN   $        CLOSE/NOLOG DELETE_FILE$ $        OPEN/WRITE DELETE_FILE 'DF'$ $        WRITE DELETE_FILE "$  MAIL" $      ENDIF $      GOSUB REPLACE_QUOTESnG $      WRITE DELETE_FILE "   SELECT ''FILE_FOLDER'/SUBJ=""''SUBJECT'"""e( $      WRITE DELETE_FILE "   DELETE/ALL"	 $    ELSEa $      GOTO READ_IT 
 $    ENDIF $  ENDIF $GOTO ACTION_LOOPa $DELETE_SUBJECTS:e $! $!  $! delete messages to be deleted $! $  CLOSE/NOLOG NEW_LIS $  DELETE 'NF'*s $  IF D .GT. 0 $  THENt" $    WRITE DELETE_FILE "     QUIT"  $    WRITE DELETE_FILE "$  EXIT" $    CLOSE/NOLOG DELETE_FILE $    @ 'DF'o $    DELETE 'DF' $  ENDIF& $  IF R .EQ. 0 THEN GOTO READ_LOOP_END $! $! $! read messages to be readp $! $  CLOSE/NOLOG READ_FILE $  OPEN/READ READ_FILE 'RF'l	 $  I = -1p $READ_LOOP:o+ $  READ/END=READ_LOOP_END READ_FILE SUBJECTn $  I = I + 1 $  K = R - I	 $  WSO ""d2 $  WSO "''I' of ''R' threads read; ''K' remaining"	 $  WSO ""e, $  SUBJECT = F$EXTRACT(0,MAX_LENGTH,SUBJECT) $  GOSUB REPLACE_QUOTEStG $! not only the length, but also the allowed length has perhaps changed ' $  NEW_LENGTH = MAX_LENGTH + 2*REPLACED,, $  SUBJECT = F$EXTRACT(0,NEW_LENGTH,SUBJECT) $! make sure quotes are matchediF $! this assumes that a quoted string is at least three characters longC $! I will add more sophisticated code if a shorter string not just t. $! appears but actually causes me any problems; $  IF F$EXTRACT(NEW_LENGTH-1,1,SUBJECT) .EQS. QUOTE .AND. - ;       F$EXTRACT(NEW_LENGTH-4,1,SUBJECT) .NES. QUOTE THEN  -s1       SUBJECT = F$EXTRACT(0,NEW_LENGTH-3,SUBJECT)a. $  WSO "SEL ''FILE_FOLDER'/SUB=""''SUBJECT'"""$ $  DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT SYS$COMMAND $  MAILr $GOTO READ_LOOPh $READ_LOOP_END:e $  IF R .GT. 0 $  THENn $    CLOSE/NOLOG READ_FILE $    DELETE 'RF' $  ENDIF $  EXITr $! $! $! GOSUB $! $set ver $REPLACE_QUOTES: $  REPLACED = 0I
 $LOOP_QUOTES:p $  GRAVE = "`" $  LENGTH = F$LENGTH(SUBJECT)   $  LOC = F$LOCATE(QUOTE,SUBJECT) $  IF LOC .LT. LENGTH  $  THENh $  REPLACED = REPLACED + 1! $    SUBJECT[LOC,1] := "''GRAVE'"e $    GOTO LOOP_QUOTESg $  ELSE  $    GOTO INSERT_QUOTES  $  ENDIF $INSERT_QUOTES:> $  LENGTH = F$LENGTH(SUBJECT)a  $  LOC = F$LOCATE(GRAVE,SUBJECT) $  IF LOC .LT. LENGTHi $  THEN 9 $    SUBJECT = F$EXTRACT(0,LOC,SUBJECT) + """""""""" + - e%      F$EXTRACT(LOC+1,LENGTH,SUBJECT) n $    GOTO INSERT_QUOTES  $  ELSEs $    RETURNh $  ENDIFH $! ------------------------end of code----------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:05:07 +0100a( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>( Subject: Re: MV 3400 won't keep settings) Message-ID: <3D3D1C43.673D487C@127.0.0.1>t   David Michaels wrote:e >  > Hi) > I'm "trying" to run a Microvax 3400....  > J > When I turn the machine off, I lose the date and the default boot device > etc... > E > Is this a problem with a battery?? Are there instructions somewhere G > where I can remedy this problem?? Is this something that I'm going to   > need to leaern top live with ?  E The other thing to remember is that they need a few hours of power toiG recharge. You'll probably find a cordless phone NiCad battery pack will-G be OK as well. I'm not sure of the charging current, but I'd bank on ath least 24 hours of 'on' time.  @ As others have said, find yourself some tagged (sometimes calledE industrial) NiCads and rebuild your own. Then you'll need 24 hours ofrD power. With the age of the machine, I have had to have some of theseG battery packs replaced in similar aged machines, so odds-on this is thea problem.   -- 4? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 07:19:49 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n$ Subject: Re: Octal counting in DCL ?3 Message-ID: <2Vk8PsKatkTl@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  p In article <20020722211247.1071.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes: > Dear Sirsr > , > Is there a way to count in octal in DCL ?  > I am saying: - > . > octal=octal+1 etc ....  octal = 777+1 = 1000 >   @    Yes, of course there is.  You can initialize and add in octalC    by simply prefixing %O.  To get the result in octal use f$fao().0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:10:24 +0200c= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>g, Subject: Re: OpenVMS webring:  Where's Mike?) Message-ID: <3D3D71E0.96BB44B2@gtech.com>1  $ "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" wrote:( > Why is it that posting before millions$ > that you're having trouble finding- > something/someone is the final prerequisite  > to finding something/someone?e  ( That follows directly from Murphys Law !   :-)e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:25:07 -0500M2 From: "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net>% Subject: Questions about license paks / Message-ID: <ujr0r4fkcguk0b@corp.supernews.com>a  H I recently purchased a surplus AlphaServer 1000a that turned out to be aL dud; it seems to have a short somewhere on the main board, rendering it moreI or less useless. It was supplied with the license pak's provided with thee$ original sale of the machine by DEC.   Here are my questions:  F 1) Can I sell the license paks? I've seen licenses for sale on eBay. II remember that, in the "old" days at least, certain licenses could be sold G with a machine and others (layered products) coundn't. I haven't a clue % about selling the license paks alone.r  G 2) If it is OK to sell the licenses, does anyone have suggestions as to-K their current value? Most of the paks I have are still sold by HPQ, many ofp them for > $1,000.  : I have the following paks (unless indicated, one of each):  : QL-MT1AE-6R, OpenVMS-ALPHA, 15 units, activity A, no_shareA QL-0LXAE-AA, UCX, 1050 units,, availability H, (mod_units, alpha) F QL-MTFAE-AA, DVNETEND, 1050 units,, availability H, (mod_units, alpha)F QL-MV4AE-AA, DW-MOTIF, 1050 units,, availability H, (mod_units, alpha)G QL-09MAE-AA, DCPS-PLUS, 1050 units,, availability H, (mod_units, alpha)tF QL-09KAE-AA, DCPS-OPEN, 1050 units, availability H, (mod_units, alpha)5 QL-5LQAE-AA, ABS-OMT, 0 units, constant=100, no_shares8 QL-5LSA9-3B, ABS-NT-CLIENT-USER, 100 units, constant=100? QL-5M3AE-AA, VIEWPOINT-DC-V4.2, 0 units, constant=100, no_sharecD QM-2CLAA-AB, PWLMXXXFP05.00, 100 units, constant=100 (2 each of this license)D QM-5LKAA-AB, PWXXWINAT07.00, 100 units, constant=100 (3 each of this license)  L I will appreciate any advice offered regarding the legality of selling these items.   Regards, Stuart Johnson= ssj152 AT charter DOT net (demangling this should be obvious)u   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 12:15:16 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)3) Subject: Re: Questions about license paks.3 Message-ID: <xMh$DQtmyoTY@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  d In article <ujr0r4fkcguk0b@corp.supernews.com>, "Stuart Johnson" <ssj152 AT charter DOT net> writes:J > I recently purchased a surplus AlphaServer 1000a that turned out to be aN > dud; it seems to have a short somewhere on the main board, rendering it moreK > or less useless. It was supplied with the license pak's provided with thee& > original sale of the machine by DEC. >  > Here are my questions: > H > 1) Can I sell the license paks? I've seen licenses for sale on eBay. IK > remember that, in the "old" days at least, certain licenses could be soldeI > with a machine and others (layered products) coundn't. I haven't a cluef' > about selling the license paks alone.g   No.   N > I will appreciate any advice offered regarding the legality of selling these > items.  I Presuming you paid the $300 Transfer Fee to DEC/Compaq/HP (and if you diddJ not, you have no license anyway), I think the only way you can make use ofK the license is to fix that AlphaServer 1000a.  One way to do that for those G of us who are not hardware-inclined is to buy another AlphaServer 1000awH on eBay (without a license, and therefore cheaper, and without having toI pay a second $300 Transfer Fee).  Then swap parts in (like the backplane). until the licensed one works.j   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:45:33 -0700"# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>h) Subject: RE: Questions about license paks 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEPNFGAA.tom@kednos.com>i   >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] & >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:15 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >Subject: Re: Questions about license paks >  > A >In article <ujr0r4fkcguk0b@corp.supernews.com>, "Stuart Johnson"r$ ><ssj152 AT charter DOT net> writes:K >> I recently purchased a surplus AlphaServer 1000a that turned out to be a = >> dud; it seems to have a short somewhere on the main board,i >rendering it moreL >> or less useless. It was supplied with the license pak's provided with the' >> original sale of the machine by DEC.b >> >> Here are my questions:  >>I >> 1) Can I sell the license paks? I've seen licenses for sale on eBay. I L >> remember that, in the "old" days at least, certain licenses could be soldJ >> with a machine and others (layered products) coundn't. I haven't a clue( >> about selling the license paks alone. >h >No. >cA >> I will appreciate any advice offered regarding the legality ofD >selling these	 >> items.v >uJ >Presuming you paid the $300 Transfer Fee to DEC/Compaq/HP (and if you didK >not, you have no license anyway), I think the only way you can make use ofuL >the license is to fix that AlphaServer 1000a.  One way to do that for thoseH >of us who are not hardware-inclined is to buy another AlphaServer 1000aI >on eBay (without a license, and therefore cheaper, and without having toiJ >pay a second $300 Transfer Fee).  Then swap parts in (like the backplane) >until the licensed one works.  J So it has to be the same exact type of system, not another workgroup class machine?   >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com)..A >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002r >h ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:44:40 +0100 (BST)eF From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: re: RDB Questions? Message-ID: <20020723084440.5808.qmail@web21003.mail.yahoo.com>R  
 Hello all,. I guess COBOL programs containing embedded SQL5 statements requires Oracle CDD without which it won'tT compile. Is this correct?O  6 Re: JCC's RDB list, I had set it to DIGEST. Ever since# I haven't been recieving any mails.   3 TDMS: Where can I find documents related to the nowE6 discontinued TDMS? Does Anyone have any old documents?     Thanks & regards Keshav L  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?+ Everything you'll ever need on one web pageL- from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts  http://uk.my.yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:15:25 +0100S% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>O Subject: Re: RDB Questions8 Message-ID: <oaeqju4h7glf142t92asnfjfg5aqu7napd@4ax.com>  9 On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:44:40 +0100 (BST), Tadimeti KeshavE$ <keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   >Hello all,E/ >I guess COBOL programs containing embedded SQLE6 >statements requires Oracle CDD without which it won't >compile. Is this correct?  B I can't speak directly for RDB although I think it is the same butA with the (related) DBMS you no longer need CDD to compile source.EE Instead the schema information is retrieved from an existing databaseM/ if the logical DBM$DML_INVOKE_ROOT is non zero.E  7 >Re: JCC's RDB list, I had set it to DIGEST. Ever since $ >I haven't been recieving any mails. >N4 >TDMS: Where can I find documents related to the now7 >discontinued TDMS? Does Anyone have any old documents?  >C >E >Thanks & regards  >Keshav  >M3 >__________________________________________________O >Do You Yahoo!?T, >Everything you'll ever need on one web page. >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.comr   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:25:52 +0900o& From: "David Lee" <phongle@kornet.net>" Subject: Security Banner displayed+ Message-ID: <ahj659$bje$1@news1.kornet.net>/  I Does anyone know how to display a "Warning Message Displayed" everytime aSK user log in to the computer.  The warning message probably a 100 words long  and"% has icon of "Agree" as a default itemS Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:02:34 +0100M( From: Ade <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com>& Subject: Re: Security Banner displayed3 Message-ID: <3D3D37C9.4744D0E6@unnecessary.csc.com>T   David,  I I would suggest that you put a bit of code in SYS$SYLOGIN that checks the M username against the contents of an indexed file. If you don't find a record,dK display the message and add the username to the file. This is a lot cleanerOJ than any tag file in a login directory as that has a problem when you have> shared directories. If you need any further help, let me know.   Adel  2 My opinion is not necessarily that of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:42:17 +0100I( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: Security Banner displayed) Message-ID: <3D3D4119.E261C945@127.0.0.1>E  
 Ade wrote: >  > David, > K > I would suggest that you put a bit of code in SYS$SYLOGIN that checks theEO > username against the contents of an indexed file. If you don't find a record,aM > display the message and add the username to the file. This is a lot cleanerIL > than any tag file in a login directory as that has a problem when you have@ > shared directories. If you need any further help, let me know.  G I'd agree that code is SYS$SYLOGIN is the correct place. Ade's solutionO? provides a 'once only' display option and is relatively easy totH implement in DCL. You may want to display it each and every time someoneB logs in, and has to press the return key to accept, or keying someG negative answer will log them out. The ethics of a positive or negativeO default are left to the reader.$  = I'd also recommend using READ/ERROR=logout-label/TIME_OUT=nnnL  G So that no responses after nnn seconds are logged out. Other things you G may wish to consider are setting default terminal characteristics to beBB no typeahead, then only switch typeahead on once they are past the message.  G One final consideration is be careful with detached and batch processes' and the effect it has on them.  H Ade has coded some interesting and devious 'applets' to deliver what I'dH describe as 'entertaining requirements'. His initial response could have 'lost' a casual reader...C -- '? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesF nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:11:03 +0200E- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>Q& Subject: Re: Security Banner displayed' Message-ID: <3D3D55E7.4CA5ECBF@Free.fr>   L What about a text in the ANNOUNCE.TXT if the given text is a "law" agreementB warning a user about his/her rights and obligations when login in?   Something like  5 "If you successfully log into this computer, then..."G   My 2J   D.   David Lee wrote: > K > Does anyone know how to display a "Warning Message Displayed" everytime aeM > user log in to the computer.  The warning message probably a 100 words long  > andR' > has icon of "Agree" as a default item" > Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 09:09:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)E& Subject: Re: Security Banner displayed3 Message-ID: <emgoc03b4$du@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3D3D55E7.4CA5ECBF@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes: N > What about a text in the ANNOUNCE.TXT if the given text is a "law" agreementD > warning a user about his/her rights and obligations when login in?  H I don't believe ANNOUNCE.TXT is reliably delivered for DECwindows login.  H Use of the term "icon" in the original problem statement (below) made me2 believe the requirement was for DECwindows logins.   > David Lee wrote: >> DL >> Does anyone know how to display a "Warning Message Displayed" everytime aN >> user log in to the computer.  The warning message probably a 100 words long >> and( >> has icon of "Agree" as a default item   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:25:45 -0500t+ From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu>' Subject: security monitoring0 Message-ID: <3D3D6769.936AE418@ceris.purdue.edu>   Group,  D Can you share with me what software products you use to monitor yourD VMS system and it's security? I am in touch with PointSecure now but looking for alternatives.O   Thanks,A Chuck    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 09:50:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: security monitoring3 Message-ID: <bhY12GyVPQ91@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <3D3D6769.936AE418@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes:  F > Can you share with me what software products you use to monitor yourF > VMS system and it's security? I am in touch with PointSecure now but > looking for alternatives.i  = I am somehow biased in favor of my own product, LJK/Security.   ) 	http://www.ljk.com/ljk/ljk_security.htmlo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:03:15 +0200I9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>   Subject: Re: security monitoring& Message-ID: <3D3D7033.4665EFB@aaa.com>   $ AUTHORIZEE $ ACCOUNTING $ OPERATOR.LOG! ACL's, proper file protections..." Other logs on the system  / And yes, there may be 3'rd party tools also :-)O   Jan-Erik Sderholm.0   Chuck Aaron wrote: >  > Group, > F > Can you share with me what software products you use to monitor yourF > VMS system and it's security? I am in touch with PointSecure now but > looking for alternatives.L > 	 > Thanks,U > ChuckC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:25:52 +0010E% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auP$ Subject: Re: Terminal input from DCL5 Message-ID: <01KKG1S49S0Y000M6D@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>H   Didier Morandi wrote:C  N >This raises a different issue. DCL is not a high-level programming language.  ItF >cannot perform ASTs (except the read/timeout/err), it cannot perform  >QIO-nowait,I >not computer GOTOs. If this automatic validation field feature is really M >requested, yes it has to be programmed with a 3rd level language (or FMS :-)e >u >D.  >  >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:i >../..F >> My point was that without being able to trap individual keystrokes,J >> there's no practical way to limit the count of characters entered so as9 >> to limit entry into a field to a predetermined length.r >>  C >> You can do that in BASIC with INKEY$, but DCL has no equivalent.   - I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but ....i  K Although I've written much QIO interface code within my applications, many hK moons ago I found a nice little macro package (compiles on Alpha too) that mI provided a simple interface to several of my command files, and saved me i( re-inventing the wheel for that purpose.  - http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.htmlu  N Look for the ASK package, and courtesy of Hunter Goatley, for those who don't : know this site, browse through some of the other packages.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 07:13:44 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a$ Subject: Re: Terminal input from DCL3 Message-ID: <5gWDxfV9uC+X@eisner.encompasserve.org>N  W In article <3D3C40ED.3AF8DF00@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:-  N > This raises a different issue. DCL is not a high-level programming language. > It cannot perform  [...]c > not computer GOTOs.n  F    I assume you meant to say it cannot perform computed GOTOs.  Wrong.(    Folks have been doing this for years:      $goto label'i      $label1:v      $label2:>      $label3:r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:52:10 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>( Subject: Re: TSM and Newer Circuit Names, Message-ID: <3D3CFD1A.8040601@volkswagen.de>   Shael Richmond wrote:o > Rick Millhollin wrote: > E >>In the past I have been using TSM and home-grown COMs to set/change H >>DECserver parameters.  TSM used to be on the ConDist CDs but isn't anyA >>more, and I think has been relegated to unsupported status now.cF >>During the past year or so I have upgraded my VMScluster systems, soE >>the DECnet service cicuit on them all has changed to EWA-0.  When InG >>try to change this for my DECservers in TSM it chokes and gives me anlE >>old out-of-date list of valid circuit names.  Since the database it-G >>keeps this in is an indexed file, I can't just edit it and change theo' >>string.  Does anybody know of either:Q? >>(1)  A newer version of TSM that knows about EWA circuits, orp< >>(2)  A indexed file editor I could hack the database with? >>Thanks...d >> >  > H > If you get ECO 7 for TSM it supports EWA circuits.  But I did run intoF > the same problem for EIA circuits.  I wrote a simple Fortran program3 > to modify the entry in the database.  Works fine.e >  > Shaeli >   A TSM can learn abount new hardware, if you a define a logical nameaE in LNM$SYSTEM, e.g. "TSM$SERVICE_CIRCUITS" [exec,no_alias] = "EZ/ISA"    From the releasenotes:A     In addition, a new logical name, TSM$SERVICE_CIRCUITS, allowslL               this list to be extended with user-defined circuit names. ThisH               may be used to inform TSM of additional circuit types. TheK               logical name is defined with a translation list of additionalkL               circuit definitions, each of the form "ddd/ccccccccccc", whereI               ddd is the corresponding VMS device prefix (up to 3 charac-tJ               ters), and ccccccccccc is the DECnet circuit name prefix (upJ               to 11 characters). Exceeding the character length limits forM               either of these fields will result in the error conditions TSM-LM               F-USER_DEV_BAD or TSM-F-USER_CIRC_BAD, respectively. AdditionalAI               blanks and tabs are permitted for spacing. For example, theEL               definition for the DEQNA adapter would be "XQ/QNA" on a DECnetK               Phase IV system, or "XQ/CSMACD" on a DECnet/OSI system, sinceoH               devices on this type of adapter are identified as XQxx andB               DECnet circuits are identified as QNA-x or CSMACD-x. -- t  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards    Karl Rohwedder                C iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig -A Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843oH  E-Mail: rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de        | iT-IngTeam(at)t-online.de .          karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.de DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 07:57:23 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)1 Subject: Re: Upgrading from 7.2-1 and latest ECOsr3 Message-ID: <dwDDDzprHuyB@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  m In article <22JUL02.16091596@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>, karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) writes:eA > In a previous article, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:  > L > ->Is the issue you are describing different than what was described in the > ->V7.3 cover letter? > H > Yes. I can confirm the behavior that Lyndon mentions. I justed appliedG > VMS721_SYS-V1200 to a 7.2-1 system and the following entries exist inn( > sys$update:vms$remedial_old_files.txt: > B > [SYSEXE]APB.EXE                                 VMS721_SYS-V1200B > [SYSEXE]DEBUG_APB.EXE                           VMS721_SYS-V1200 > J > They SHOULD be suffixed with _OLD (otherwise the 7.3 upgrade will deleteG > them). This is exactly the problem that VMS721_RENAME_OLD-V0100 fixed : > but with different patch kits affecting different files. > I > A big thanks to Lyndon for pointing this out (it would have burned me).F >   I My thanks to Lyndon as well. Depending on the timing of the new patch kit ( I could have got caught by this as well.  < Now let me see if I have got the sequence of events correct:  L 1)Some patch kits write incorrect data away causing problems at VMS upgrade.1 Annoying, but one-off problems like these happen.a  ? 2)VMS Engineering release a patch to correct the problem. Good.S  H 3)They then go and release new patches that cause the exact same type ofK problems having (apparently) failed to learn from their mistakes. Not good.p  K _If_ the above is correct, then I have got to ask once again, what is goingn, on with quality control in VMS Engineering ?   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.s   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 01:03:28 -0700. From: ksubrama1@yahoo.com (Kannan Viswanathan)N Subject: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine< Message-ID: <d0028b0c.0207230003.4aa83ee@posting.google.com>   Hi,s  @ In my code , I am using the lib$find_image_symbol call to invokeD functions in a shared image. The modules in the shared image as well@ as the code that invokes  are compiled with switches "as_is" and1 "shortened" and hence want to turn on the flag iniB lib$find_image_symbol which will invoke symbols without converting them to uppercase.  ( Here is my code segment to achieve this. .e. unsigned longword flags = LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE; .0? status = LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL(&log_dsc, &func_dsc, &retval, 0,n &flags);  A This is on alpha/openvms 7.3 and the entire code is compiled withe pointer=64.r  ? The above segment doesn't seem to work. When I step through thew4 debugger, the message I get at the point of invoking lib$find_image_symbol is  " %LIB-F-INVARG, invalid argument(s)  F When I change the flags argument to "0", the RTL routine  succeeds but; upcases the symbol by default which is not I want to happens  6 I will greatly appreciate your experience in using the" LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE for this call.   Thanks and Regards,V Kannan..   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 12:06:03 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt): Subject: Re: VMS commitment-3 Message-ID: <arfWI1upHNF2@eisner.encompasserve.org>0  l In article <3d343f04.3252432670@proxy.news.easynews.com>, prune@ZAnkh-Morpork.mv.com (Paul Winalski) writes:C > On 15 Jul 2002 15:33:10 -0700, bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)l > wrote: > D >>a vms elimination project is always wrong!  There is not one otherF >>platform right now that can offer the security and stability of VMS!F >>If you believe otherwise, just name another platform and I'll hammerE >>you with cert advisories and email's from other posters on comp.???iF >>that will make you look like an idiot for even stating the above ...I >>and the CEO's at this place stating they don't need disaster tolerance?? >>they are just as stupid ...n > E > Sorry, but that's pure bullshit.  I agree with you completely aboutyC > the security and stability aspects of the VMS platform, but there2? > are other considerations that a company may wish to take into:
 > account. > G > As with any business decision, choice of an operating system on which3H > to run the business is a matter of trade-offs.  Security and stabilityG > are two factors to take into consideration that weigh in VMS's favor, . > but they aren't necessarily the whole story.  > To help flesh out the whole story you need to include the FUD,A lies, false marketing and vaporware by the competition.  The lackM= of marketing for "the good stuff" has been beaten to death ona$ this newgroup, so I won't reiterate.  > A lot of projects I've run across are based on the unrealistic@ assertion that Micro$lop products are enterprise ready.  Project; managers that have been weaned on products that fail often,o? marketing that makes poo look like gold and that the stink willa@ smell like roses RSN, and a culture that doesn't think rebooting@ to "fix" problems is bad, don't _know_ any better.  Combine that: with DEC/CPQ/HPs refusal to promote the strengths of their? products that _can_ do better, and it's no wonder we keep going-+ around this less-than-merry merry-go-round.a  @ The proverbial "they" don't know any better because they haven't! been exposed to what _is_ better.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:33:08 -0400h; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>r< Subject: Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient.$ Message-ID: <3d3d776b$1@news.si.com>  2 >Can someone help me with this mail setup problem?  C All Compaq TCP/IP SMTP problems can be fixed by downloading MX fromn www.madgoat.com. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com6A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comb= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:57:33 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>< Subject: Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient.( Message-ID: <3D3D7CED.5016964@127.0.0.1>   Brian Tillman wrote: > 4 > >Can someone help me with this mail setup problem? > E > All Compaq TCP/IP SMTP problems can be fixed by downloading MX frome > www.madgoat.com.   ROTFL1  E But seriously, Brian's right. You've a 30 day trial licence, and it'stG quite painless to install and configure, and even to revert back shouldn3 you decide not to buy, but it's not that expensive.a  H Sadly, I don't believe there is a hobbyist license. (Unless anyone knows better). -- y? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencese nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:03:41 +0200L9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>e< Subject: Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient.' Message-ID: <3D3D7E5D.43EF3203@aaa.com>   9 Well, the version on Hunters freeware site at process.comt2 is as close to a hobbyist version you can come :-)  3 Note, that this is V4 and the "real" product is V5, ( if I'm not wrong (or was it V3 vs. V4 ?)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.o   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Brian Tillman wrote: > >r6 > > >Can someone help me with this mail setup problem? > >oG > > All Compaq TCP/IP SMTP problems can be fixed by downloading MX from  > > www.madgoat.com. >  > ROTFLt > G > But seriously, Brian's right. You've a 30 day trial licence, and it'scI > quite painless to install and configure, and even to revert back shouldo5 > you decide not to buy, but it's not that expensive.d > J > Sadly, I don't believe there is a hobbyist license. (Unless anyone knows
 > better). > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesS > nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:17:52 -0400  From: G Everhart <ge@gce.com>i. Subject: RE: what security products secure VMS$ Message-ID: <3D3D73A0.60408@gce.com>  ? In the same vein as Larry K., I somewhat favor my own products,gB Safety and encrypting virtual disks, both available from sigtapes.  F The encrypting virtual disk software is fast enough to use, but is notJ intended to block NSA type agencies. Its encryption is home grown and goodF enough to use against non cryptographers. If you want something reallyK exceedingly strong along those lines, though, edit the source and reencryptl with a better known algorithm.  E Safety will let you do a lot of stuff with VMS access control, deleteeA protection and so on that you won't see often done anywhere else.l   SeeE users.rcn.com/gcer  ! for a page giving the Safety SPD.g Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 07:17:13 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)h# Subject: Re: Where is VAXC$DSPRINTFf3 Message-ID: <XnFbwTnT8AP0@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMENPFGAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:lA > Compiling on a VAX (7.1) using VAXC032 for VMS5.5-2 using thosen. > libs.  Missing the above symbol in the link. > N > How do you find the entry names in an OLB?  Is there any way to dump it ontoN > standard out and pipe it to search?  I tried /CROSS=SYMBOL found the name of > theo > module, extracted it and did< > pipe anal/obj C$VAXCIO.obj | sear sys$output vaxc$dsprintf  ?    The contents of OLB can be listed with librarian/list/names.03    I highly recommend you move from VAX C to DEC C.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:36:27 +0200r- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>m Subject: [OT] bulk eMail' Message-ID: <3D3D239B.66082726@Free.fr>'  J How come these bulkers do not understand that, as soon as we get a messageP starting by "read this mail to the end", we immediately trash it? (well, *I* do)   Amazing.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:29:08 +0100e( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [OT] bulk eMail) Message-ID: <3D3D2FF4.33EA37BD@127.0.0.1><   Didier Morandi wrote:w > L > How come these bulkers do not understand that, as soon as we get a messageR > starting by "read this mail to the end", we immediately trash it? (well, *I* do)  G I would really like someone to work on a VMS port of the SamSpade tool.u  D Last night I fired up the PC and spend about 1.5 hours reporting and
 tracing spam.   F One spammer got three abuse reports, one to the ISP that permitted theE open relay, one to the email handler, one to the host of his website.D   SamSpade: http://samspade.org/ U   -- E? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences" nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jul 2002 09:14:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: [OT] bulk eMail3 Message-ID: <4xqo8I40W3$T@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  T In article <3D3D2FF4.33EA37BD@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > Didier Morandi wrote:c >>  M >> How come these bulkers do not understand that, as soon as we get a message S >> starting by "read this mail to the end", we immediately trash it? (well, *I* do)0  B I actually don't even read as far as that line, as 95% of the spamA directed to me is blocked by SpamCop before it interrupts my day. = When I go to the SpamCop website I report all the spam it hasr@ intercepted based on originating IP address.  I can also releaseB any "false positives" that are not spam, but I don't get more than one of those a month.h  I > I would really like someone to work on a VMS port of the SamSpade tool.i > F > Last night I fired up the PC and spend about 1.5 hours reporting and > tracing spam.n > H > One spammer got three abuse reports, one to the ISP that permitted theG > open relay, one to the email handler, one to the host of his website.  > ! > SamSpade: http://samspade.org/ a  ; SpamCop: http://spamcop.net/ (Look for "Filtering Service")h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.403 ************************d a nice little macro package (compiles on Alpha too) that mI provided a simple interface to several of my command files, and saved me i( re-inventing the wheel for that i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    i    