1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 407       Contents: Re: asynch device on alpha Re: burst of CI errors. Help.  Re: burst of CI errors. Help.  Copyright on hobbyist cd?  Re: Corporate email directories  Re: Corporate email directories  Re: Corporate email directories  Re: Corporate email directories C Re: Custom DECwindows Display? (was: Re: Security Banner displayed) " Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches" Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches" Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches" Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches" Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches" Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches" Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches Event Manager van CA Re: Event Manager van CAM Re: How to associate a service created in latcp with a executable application  how to run man on OpenVMS  RE: how to run man on OpenVMS  RE: how to run man on OpenVMS  RE: how to run man on OpenVMS  Re: how to run man on OpenVMS  Re: how to run man on OpenVMS  Re: how to run man on OpenVMS / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? 0 RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report> Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...) Re: Intel to smash AMD Re: Intel to smash AMD Re: Intel to smash AMD+ Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... # RE: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!  Perl Modules Re: Perl Modules PERP Queue enhancement utilityE Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env") E Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env") E Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env") ( Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting( Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting( Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting Re: printer status question L Re: Q: Overriding /separate=flag qualifier for DCPS queues on per-job basis?D Re: Size of the comp.os.vms readership ? , was: RE: OpenVMS webring:D Re: Size of the comp.os.vms readership ? , was: RE: OpenVMS webring:+ Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid / Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid / RE: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid / RE: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid / RE: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid / Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid  Re: Vax Emulators  Re: Vax Emulators 3 Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient. 3 Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient. < RE: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/< Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/D What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?. Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:12:43 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1># Subject: Re: asynch device on alpha ) Message-ID: <3D3FC10B.65AA82E7@127.0.0.1>    "John N." wrote: > I > Is there such a thing?  Is a terminal server the only way to address an / > asych/serial device from an Alpha VMS system?   B David is correct, Digi do have a range of PCI stuff for AXP's with drivers, appear as TX ports.  9 http://www.digi.com/solutions/mportserialcards/index.html    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 02 07:06:03 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com & Subject: Re: burst of CI errors. Help.( Message-ID: <2l3JwXxkUGUr@cpva.saic.com>  . In article <3D3F2B99.710C3852@pressenter.com>,1  Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes: + > I've run across a puzzling set of errors.  >    [...]    > B > How can I test a specific path in CI, from one point to another?  E How many ports? 8, 16, 32? I think that the ports are grouped on hubs C with increments of 8 ports. Swapping cables from one hub to another B (unless you've only got 8 ports) might help isolate a star coupler< problem. Perhaps someone else will confirm (refute?) this...   > 2 > Has anybody heard of the Star Coupler going bad? >   J Yes, twice, in 15 years with hundreds of star couplers. It's very rare. In; each incident a path failed completely (not intermittenly).    --   - Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:29:43 -0400 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> & Subject: Re: burst of CI errors. Help.2 Message-ID: <3D400B57.39DADFA1@clarityconnect.com>  D The CI components are very sensitive to electrical noise.  Make sureH that the Star Coupler is properly set up.  Other than that the CI can atE times be very intermittent in it's failure modes (i.e. it rarely ever ( flat out dies, my experience only here).   Lyndon Bartels wrote:  > + > I've run across a puzzling set of errors.  > > > axp VMS v7.3. All the latest ECOs. (up to about 10 days ago) >  > 2 ES40s in a cluster.  > G > Fully redundant CI configuration. (dual CIPCAs per ES40, dual HSJs in 9 > each storage subsystem. A & B paths, fully connnected.)  > H > Anyway, I rebooted them Monday evening to turn off Xtended File Cache.( > (One had been crashing because of it.) > G > They ran fine through Monday night, all day Tuesday, Tuesday evening, G > and into Wednesday morning. WHen I did a "$ Show Error" I got a clean @ > response. (Except for errors on the DQB0 device, but those are > "normal.") > F > This morning, all of a sudden, one ES40 comes back with 50 errors onF > PNA0, 8 on PNB0. The other ES40 reported 28 erros on PNA0, and 14 on > PNB0.  > H > Looking at the errorlog, all these multitude of errors happened in theI > span of 2 minutes. Both nodes. Same time. All of the errors are changes C > in cable status. "Path #1" status "GOOD to BAD" or "BAD to GOOD".  > 8 > No errors on any disks. The HSJs all seem to be happy. > E > Best I can come up is, something occured to "trigger" this barrage.  > F > Looking at the errlog some more on one node (28 & 14 errors) no HSJs > were mentioned.  > I > Looking at the other node, (50 and 8 errors) two HSJs were mentioned as  > part of the "remote address."  > H > At about that time, some Oracle stuff was running, but these computers8 > are *NOT* very busy. They're our development machines. > C > I called Colorado, and they looked at the logs without much help. I > "Something's wrong with Path B." Well, I knew that. But I don't want to E > replace a part unless I know it's truly bad.... Or. I have a way of  > replicating the event. > # > So... I have a few questions.....  >  > Any thoughts on the errors?  > # > What else should I be looking at?  > B > How can I test a specific path in CI, from one point to another? > 2 > Has anybody heard of the Star Coupler going bad? >  > Thanks in advance, >  > Lyndon >  > --I > My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my  > employer.  > J > The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't# > have to look at the horse's butt.    --  C Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY 0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so  	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:15:53 +0000 (UTC) % From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> " Subject: Copyright on hobbyist cd?, Message-ID: <ahoc3p$s8s$1@reader3.panix.com>  , Someone wanted to borrow my VAX hobbyist cd,, which I won't let out of my sight.  Instead,( I offered to sell him a VAX/VMS bootable) RZ disk with an image backup of my system ( (along with the cd's [kits] directories,* etc, but without my licenses), for a small. fee.  Then I realized that might not be legal.- The cd itself has no copyright printed on it, / though I'm sure it must be copyrighted somehow. * What's the (legal) story about doing this?*      Also, what's the story about Montagar( selling the VAX hobbyist cd again?  That$ would solve the problem most easily. Thanks,  --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:32:08 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ( Subject: Re: Corporate email directories) Message-ID: <3D3FA978.95E27FB8@gtech.com>    JF Mezei wrote: N > With VMS now out of the corporate email business, an area it used to be veryJ > present in, what do corporations use now to provide corporate routing of3 > inbound emails to the right departmental server ?   B > Would corporations tend to use one gateway from internet to someI > internal/oproprietary system such as Exchange, or would they have their M > corporate backbone as SMTP servers that deliver to proprietary departmental  > servers ?   5 I think the most common setup for corporate email is:   H internet <--> firewall <--> 1 Unix based SMTP server <--> 1-1000 WNT/W2K. Exchange servers <--> 5-100000 Outlook clients  I > Do current email systems provide for easy management of a central email O > directory which allows first.last@company.com to be routed to the right dept. 
 > server ?  D Good question. I am not familiar with Unix based SMTP servers, but IA do know what PMDF could 10 years ago, so I assume that problem is  solved.   G And for those not familiar with PMDF, then it can handle the first.last  based on either one of: &   - text file with one addres per line4   - text file builded to binary for faster execution   - lookup in QI server    - lookup in LDAP server 1   +probably several other that I can not remember    Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:46:45 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: Corporate email directories+ Message-ID: <ahokuk$t29$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <3D3F8454.6478B964@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M >With VMS now out of the corporate email business, an area it used to be very I >present in, what do corporations use now to provide corporate routing of 2 >inbound emails to the right departmental server ? >   M VMS is still very much in the central mailhub business with products such as   PMDF see   http://www.pmdf.process.com         M >For instance, if I send an email to Carly.Fiorina@hp.com , how does the SMTP M >server at hp.com get to know how to route the email to whatever departmental ) >server where Carly's emails are stored ?  > A >Would corporations tend to use one gateway from internet to some H >internal/oproprietary system such as Exchange, or would they have theirL >corporate backbone as SMTP servers that deliver to proprietary departmental
 >servers ? >   J There maybe multiple mail gateway servers with one MX record - in order to@ share the load, provide failover - this might even be clustered.  M However these systems will generally be a fairly small number of systems when K compared to the number of departmental servers actually storing users mail.   N The gateway system(s) provide a single(*) point of control for mail aliasing, N virus scanning, spam blocking etc These systems can also be put on more secureM hardened machines. Exchange for instance is not known for its security indeed N ISS has just reported another remotely exploitable buffer overflow in Exchange 5.5.K See http://bvlive01.iss.net/issEn/delivery/xforce/alertdetail.jsp?oid=20759   N (*) Even if the gateway is implemented on a small number of systems it is muchL easier to do this on this small number of systems than on every departmental system.     H >Do current email systems provide for easy management of a central emailN >directory which allows first.last@company.com to be routed to the right dept.	 >server ?   < This is one of the basic functions of products such as PMDF.J PMDF and many other products can do this via its own alias databases or by lookups to LDAP directories.H The other main part of centralised naming handled by such systems is theK rewriting of the from/reply-to address to a company standard format before   it is sent out.    > J >In the sepcific case of hp and compaq (and digital), were the 2 companiesJ >using the same corporate backbones that were easy to merge, or was that a >monumental task ?  O I don't know what products the companies used but the change to the centralised L naming would be fairly simple with most products. The only problems would beN where a simple mapping change would result in two different people having the  same email address.    eg  
 If you had :-    john.smith@compaq.com   G he wouldn't be able to have his address changed to john.smith@hp.com if 9 hp already employed a john smith with that email address.   M If the centralised naming formats used at the two companies was different and O it was desired to move to a single centralised format then the problem might be K slightly more complicated eg if compaq used initial.surname whereas hp used P firstname.surname. You would need mapping tables to map each address to its new ) format rather than a simple mapping rule. D However I don't think there were any such issues with compaq and hp.  L You would also continue to accept mail using both the original compaq addessK format as well as the new hp format for sometime. Whereas you would set the H gateways up to rewrite the from/reply-to addresses to the new forat when sending out mail.     K This change would probably be done without changing the products being used G as gateways at each company. Rationalisation and consolidation of these % gateway machines would be done later.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:55:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: Corporate email directories, Message-ID: <3D401F89.B8BB1ED5@videotron.ca>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: L > PMDF and many other products can do this via its own alias databases or by > lookups to LDAP directories.  M But if you use a PMDF based directory on VMS, how does a departmental manager M update that database whenever an employee leaves or arrives (or female in USA * getting married and changing family name).  N Does Exchange actually interface with "standard" stuff such as LDAP or does itC interface only with proprietary microsoft stuff for name aliasing ?    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:08:36 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: Corporate email directories+ Message-ID: <ahp7q4$5q4$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <3D401F89.B8BB1ED5@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:M >> PMDF and many other products can do this via its own alias databases or by  >> lookups to LDAP directories.  > N >But if you use a PMDF based directory on VMS, how does a departmental managerN >update that database whenever an employee leaves or arrives (or female in USA+ >getting married and changing family name).  > O >Does Exchange actually interface with "standard" stuff such as LDAP or does it D >interface only with proprietary microsoft stuff for name aliasing ?  J In an organisation which is using centralised naming then the departmentalC manager should NOT be updating this in an adhoc manner on Exchange.oL How does he know that their isn't already someone in another department withN that email address ? OK he could lookup the company addressbook to check firstK but if you have enough departmental managers doing this some won't do that.   E These changes should be fed from the authorative source probably the WM HR system where all employees details are kept. This should then feed throughoE using where possible automated procedures (or manual procedures whereoM necessary). The updates to Exchange should be the end of this process not theo start.  aM Exchange should be able to use an LDAP database - Active directory is an LDAPnO database. The only problem currently is that Microsoft decided to use their ownrN proprietary schema for Active directory rather than basing it on inetOrgPersonN which just about everbody else uses. Hence interoperability is not as straight forward as it might have been.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:02:21 -0400V; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>eL Subject: Re: Custom DECwindows Display? (was: Re: Security Banner displayed)$ Message-ID: <3d40213d$1@news.si.com>   Hoff wrote:t  F >  One potential approach here is to display something as a backgroundG >  image at the DECwindows login box -- details on how to customize thesF >  login background are in the OpenVMS FAQ.    If you set this up as aE >  command procedure, it can run pretty much whatever you want for anoH >  X Windows application.  That said, this doesn't give you the "accept"4 >  box that you want, just the standard login box...  L Well, from one perspective, it does.  The background could say, "By clickingJ 'OK' you agree to be bound by these terms."  Then, the OK button to log on becomes the "accept" button. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventS< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 00:49:26 -0700! From: oscar@mroscar.co.uk (Oscar) + Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches = Message-ID: <7c07dbc5.0207242349.4bfb30f7@posting.google.com>"  [ Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote in message news:<3D3E7F97.1000302@theblakes.com>..._J > I tried this and got the same results. I've entered a bug to track this:4 > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159092 > F > For support of the released version of CSWB you should contact your L > support center. The OpenVMS CSWB mail account was just for the field test. >  > Colin.  . Cheers Colin - I shall keep an eye on that bug  F Am I right in thinking that once it has been worked out in the MozillaC codebase it will be functional in OpenVMS in the next CSWB release?aC (i.e. DEC/Compaq/HP will not put manpower into fixing it in the VMSdA code, prefering for it to be fixed by mozilla before portinag anda converting to CSWB)e  D There would seem to be little point phoning support if all they will; say is that I'll have to wait until an unspecified release.e   Cheers   Oscart  D P.S. eXcursion is still extremely slow with it - Grrr. Are there any other DECnet enabled Xservers?   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 00:52:51 -0700! From: oscar@mroscar.co.uk (Oscar)o+ Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switchess= Message-ID: <7c07dbc5.0207242352.527e3e60@posting.google.com>/  [ Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote in message news:<3D3E7F97.1000302@theblakes.com>...b= >>>The OpenVMS CSWB mail account was just for the field test.-   P.P.S. -  O The OpenVMS.CSWB@hp.com address is still showing in the CSWB V1.0 release notesmJ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb_relnotes.html  J If it is no longer available - it probably should be removed from the page   Osc    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:46:09 GMTd' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> + Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches * Message-ID: <3D3FC8D1.20000@theblakes.com>   Oscar wrote:  P >The OpenVMS.CSWB@hp.com address is still showing in the CSWB V1.0 release notesK >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb_relnotes.html- >-K >If it is no longer available - it probably should be removed from the page  >jI Correct. It says you can give feedback by emailing that address, but for >5 support to go through your standard support channels.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:55:16 GMTi' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> + Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switchese* Message-ID: <3D3FCAF4.80906@theblakes.com>   Oscar wrote:  G >Am I right in thinking that once it has been worked out in the MozillaeD >codebase it will be functional in OpenVMS in the next CSWB release?D >(i.e. DEC/Compaq/HP will not put manpower into fixing it in the VMSB >code, prefering for it to be fixed by mozilla before portinag and >converting to CSWB) > E Basically, yes. CSWB is a version of Mozilla with some DEC/Compaq/HP c	 branding.h  E >There would seem to be little point phoning support if all they will-< >say is that I'll have to wait until an unspecified release. > F Or support could tell you its pilot error and the feature really does I work if you just know how to use it correctly. Or support could tell you cG that the documentation is wrong and that the feature works if you know aB how to invoke it. Or support could confirm its a bug but tell you ; another way of achieving the same or similar functionality.e  @ Plus, if a problem's not reported, its never going to get fixed.  E >P.S. eXcursion is still extremely slow with it - Grrr. Are there any  >other DECnet enabled Xservers?  >  y >gD The eXcursion team are already investigating this slow down. Sorry, & don't know when they'll have any info.  6 Also don't know of any other DECnet capable X servers.   Colin.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:11:13 -0700! From: oscar@mroscar.co.uk (Oscar)o+ Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switchesg= Message-ID: <7c07dbc5.0207250611.68b5910e@posting.google.com>r  Y Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote in message news:<3D3FCAF4.80906@theblakes.com>...d > Oscar wrote:G > >There would seem to be little point phoning support if all they willa> > >say is that I'll have to wait until an unspecified release. > >rH > Or support could tell you its pilot error and the feature really does K > work if you just know how to use it correctly. Or support could tell you iI > that the documentation is wrong and that the feature works if you know OD > how to invoke it. Or support could confirm its a bug but tell you = > another way of achieving the same or similar functionality.c > B > Plus, if a problem's not reported, its never going to get fixed.   OK OK - Fair enough ;-))  3 I just though I would try the informal route first!r  C But are they likely to say that they will impliment it when Mozillam do??   > G > >P.S. eXcursion is still extremely slow with it - Grrr. Are there anym! > >other DECnet enabled Xservers?' > >  d > >pF > The eXcursion team are already investigating this slow down. Sorry, ( > don't know when they'll have any info. > 8 > Also don't know of any other DECnet capable X servers. >  > Colin.  2 I'm working on getting linux to talk at the moment. http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html  D I've got command-line DECnet stuff talking - But I got diverted onto* something else - I'll try the X stuff soon   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:15:05 -0700! From: oscar@mroscar.co.uk (Oscar) + Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches-= Message-ID: <7c07dbc5.0207250615.79f7b4b5@posting.google.com>   Y Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> wrote in message news:<3D3FC8D1.20000@theblakes.com>...  > Oscar wrote: > R > >The OpenVMS.CSWB@hp.com address is still showing in the CSWB V1.0 release notesM > >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb_relnotes.htmlM > >iM > >If it is no longer available - it probably should be removed from the page- > >-K > Correct. It says you can give feedback by emailing that address, but for o7 > support to go through your standard support channels.?  E I thought it WAS more a technical feedback issue than a support thingw  @ I emailed them but didn't even get a "Sorry - you should contactD support about that" message - It fell on deaf ears - which I thought was rude >:(   Oscg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:53:28 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t+ Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switchesi8 Message-ID: <4k00kukmv7aus7oni6id3cgttse5f8qq6g@4ax.com>  C On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:55:16 GMT, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>  wrote:   >o >g7 >Also don't know of any other DECnet capable X servers.   ? Hummingbird Exceed (pretty much the industry standard) supportsjC DECnet. At least it did last time I tried. In fact a quick check of-> http://www.hummingbird.com/collateral/exceed_datasheet2_EN.pdf shows DECnet still supported.g     >Colin.u   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:52:01 +0200F! From: "lex" <abeekman@conflux.nl>o Subject: Event Manager van CA * Message-ID: <ahoe5u$ic8$1@reader09.wxs.nl>  H I get the following message after trying to show the events in the Event Manager,   sns > show eventse sns > working .... sns > %sns-f-showeve_timeout      consolidator did not respond  I Is there anybody who can explain this message, the version we are dealingt with is : V2.1.5_9912.   Thanks for helping me out.   Lex Beekman    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:53:23 GMT , From: "Mike Zarudzki" <mike.zarudzki@hp.com>! Subject: Re: Event Manager van CAe1 Message-ID: <TER%8.9$ku7.143490@news.cpqcorp.net>e  
 Are you sure-p  '  - the consolidator is actually runningiJ  - the path is the same for all watchdogs, i.e. polling is under TCP/IP or DECnet for everyone 3  - if the log file is enabled, is anything in thereTL  - there is a time difference value in the profile for the consolidator, has that been checked or modified?-  - how about the node time offset themselves?eI  - can you set host or telnet to the node the consolidator is running on?i,  - restart or issue the poll commands again?   -Mike Z.  , "lex" <abeekman@conflux.nl> wrote in message$ news:ahoe5u$ic8$1@reader09.wxs.nl...J > I get the following message after trying to show the events in the Event
 > Manager, >6 > sns > show eventsm > sns > working .... > sns > %sns-f-showeve_timeout" >     consolidator did not respond >$K > Is there anybody who can explain this message, the version we are dealing  > with is : V2.1.5_9912. >> > Thanks for helping me out. >e
 > Lex Beekmanl >s >s   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 02 07:20:26 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comuV Subject: Re: How to associate a service created in latcp with a executable application( Message-ID: <YA3pqIPjQMh6@cpva.saic.com>  < In article <vPE%8.10544$sb5.1087337@news20.bellglobal.com>, -  "Liu liang hua" <llhua@sympatico.ca> writes:F) > I appreciate everybody who give me help  >  >  > J If I understand you correctly, then, perhaps some of the articles found atB the following URL which you'll need to unwrap might be of interest  
 [beginURL]& http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&% lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=LAT+service+name+  [endURL]    or maybe this one in particular?  
 [beginURL]& http://groups.google.com/groups?q=LAT+$ service+name&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm4 =88256720.007983F1.00%40WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM&rnum=8 [endURL]     -- l - Jimt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:59:00 +0530a5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com>b" Subject: how to run man on OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <ujvurj5q74vtf6@corp.supernews.com>v   Hi All,e  K My application is written 'C' and it creates Mailbox (a virtual device usedsE for communication among process) and child process. It has calls likeo SYS$CREMBX, SYS$ASSIGN ...etc.  H How do I get more information information about these system service. ItG there any utility that would display the manual pages (just like man ono UNIX)r  L Can someone provide sample program as to how go about creating mail box etc.   Any help is most welcome   Thanks Sandeept   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:29:09 -0400u- From: "kenrbnsn1@rcn.com" <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com> & Subject: RE: how to run man on OpenVMS9 Message-ID: <63340-22002742513299202@M2W074.mail2web.com>   K >My application is written 'C' and it creates Mailbox (a virtual device us=F edH >for communication among process) and child process=2E It has calls like' >SYS$CREMBX, SYS$ASSIGN =2E=2E=2Eetc=2Er  K >How do I get more information information about these system service=2E I=e t-H >there any utility that would display the manual pages (just like man on >UNIX)     $ Help system_services   Ken Robinson        D --------------------------------------------------------------------+ mail2web - Check your email from the web at  http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:36:57 -0400s* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>& Subject: RE: how to run man on OpenVMS- Message-ID: <0033000073930665000002L052*@MHS>   ! =0A$ HELP System_Services $CREMBXu   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETj% Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:23 AMeB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET" Subject: how to run man on OpenVMS     Hi All,   H My application is written 'C' and it creates Mailbox (a virtual device = usedE for communication among process) and child process. It has calls likea SYS$CREMBX, SYS$ASSIGN ...etc.  H How do I get more information information about these system service. I= tnH there any utility that would display the manual pages (just like man on=   UNIX)p  H Can someone provide sample program as to how go about creating mail box=  etc.    Any help is most welcome   Thanks Sandeep=   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 08:53:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n& Subject: RE: how to run man on OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <46dCrZEDOctu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <63340-22002742513299202@M2W074.mail2web.com>, "kenrbnsn1@rcn.com" <kenrbnsn1@rcn.com> writes:tL >>My application is written 'C' and it creates Mailbox (a virtual device us= > edI >>for communication among process) and child process=2E It has calls likeF( >>SYS$CREMBX, SYS$ASSIGN =2E=2E=2Eetc=2E > L >>How do I get more information information about these system service=2E I= > t I >>there any utility that would display the manual pages (just like man ons >>UNIX)o >  >  > $ Help system_services  F But for full information, you should read the documentation that comes on CDrom with VMS.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:30:45 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk& Subject: Re: how to run man on OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <ahp22l$408$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>s  g In article <ujvurj5q74vtf6@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes:- >Hi All, > L >My application is written 'C' and it creates Mailbox (a virtual device usedF >for communication among process) and child process. It has calls like >SYS$CREMBX, SYS$ASSIGN ...etc.D >FI >How do I get more information information about these system service. It H >there any utility that would display the manual pages (just like man on >UNIX) >    HELP SYSTEM_SERVICES $CREMBX   etct  J For more information see the System services reference manual available at  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/4527/4527pro.html    M >Can someone provide sample program as to how go about creating mail box etc.m >   3 Have a look in sys$examples and its sub-directories   G A quick search on my system seems to show a couple of programs creatings* mailboxes which you might like to look at  ie  ' SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES]DB_SERVER.Ce ande) SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES]OSIT$RANDOM.Cn and @ SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.CRTL]DECC$WRITE_EOF_TO_MBX_EXAMPLE.C   >Any help is most welcomen >i >Thankse >Sandeep >?  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:43:06 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>y& Subject: Re: how to run man on OpenVMS' Message-ID: <3D400E7A.8BDE04CB@aaa.com>o  7 Or check the "OpenVMS System Services Reference Manual"p0 manual on "http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/".   Jan-Erik Sderholm.f   "kenrbnsn1@rcn.com" wrote: > K > >How do I get more information information about these system service. ItAJ > >there any utility that would display the manual pages (just like man on > >UNIX) >  > $ Help system_services >  > Ken Robinson > F > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at  > http://mail2web.com/ .   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:07:58 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>2& Subject: Re: how to run man on OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3D40225A.85CADBFD@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > $ Help system_services > H > But for full information, you should read the documentation that comes > on CDrom with VMS.  N I concurr. HELP will give you syntax and basic description, but lacks the moreJ complete explanations and details you would find in the real manuals. (forM instance, description of privileges needed, possible return codes,  examples,eN description of arguments in greater details (especially for services that like* item lists and other esoteric structures).  N If it is yor first time using a system service, then the manuals will give you better understanding.O   The various helps: 	HELP SYSTEM <routine>M 	HELP RTL LIB$ <routine> (lib$ routines which are somewhat of a complement to 
 SYS$ ones)B 	HELP CC run <routine>    (gives list of the C rtl routines, shortN description, but very useful for arguments and especiually which include files are needed for it).   = Note the light inconsistency: with system services, you would  HELP SYSTEM $GETTIM'  whereas with the LIB$ you would: HELP RTL LIB$ LIB$ADD_TIMES-  D (eg: omit the SYS$ for SYS$  routines, but supply it for others when requesting help).    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:23:37 +0200nE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>w8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?+ Message-ID: <3D3FB589.EC81CDC7@mediasec.de>t  E A consideration is the following: Conduct a detailed analysis of whatoF privileges etc. the software being developed requires. Assume that youL have hired a competent programmer. Then, it makes not much sense withholdingI from her those privileges the deployed software will be using. After all, L he could insert a back door or whatever that only does something (evil) when( those privilges are actually available.   M Thus, somebody developing kernel-mode code must be trusted anyway. Of course,eJ code reviews etc. will help to catch most egregious abuses, but surely not all of them.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:32:54 +0010l% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aua8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?5 Message-ID: <01KKIUMIGD1U000O2R@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>a   John Forkosh wrote:-  = >I'd minimally add group privileges and readall to that list.m: >I usually try to develop applications in their own group,C >and need to set up group logicals (and sometimes global sections),o; >etc.  So I always need group privileges on the developmenta	 >machine.3A >     And readall is very useful and not typically too dangerous.w9 >Trying to integrate my development with existing systemsB< >means I have to study old code, look for libraries that may8 >be useful, etc.  To do a good job, I have to be able to, >get a good feel for the entire environment.  J I'd entirely agree with John's READALL (never needed use for group privs,  though).  H On both my development and production machines (for a smallish group of N engineers), I have a fully priv'ed account (as I sysadmin these machines) and  a user account..  G On my user account, where I do application development, I only had the nK "basic" mail box privs.  However, our engineers like to protect everything /N from even themselves and GROUP and WORLD will never get access.  If we get an C application violation, I need to be able to copy their files to my dL development machine to run the application with debug.  It became a pain to E 1). ask them to give me access from my user account or 2). go into a u" privileged account to do the copy.  N READALL on my (and one other colleague's) user accounts solved this problem.  M This may not suit Chris Olive's environment, but it is because the two of us hN also share the priv'ed account (he is my backup), we have really nothing more C than we have already; just more convenient for debugging as a user.u   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:59:18 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?3 Message-ID: <8z5bm1AK6CK0@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  l In article <b10654c6.0207241121.575437f3@posting.google.com>, colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) writes:  % > Are privileges REALLY necessary for G > proper VMS development?  Can't they just use TMPMBX and NETMBX like aO' > normal user and still do development?m  D    It depends on what they're developing and how well they know VMS.  D    I've worked for decades of VMS based development and maintenance G    where the typical programmer had just NETMBX and TMPMBX.  EverythingrH    was fine.  But they came to me when they needed real help, and I used%    privileges as needed to help them.   C    I've worked a shop where everbody had OPER.  Caused all kinds ofaG    problems when they wanted to write a tape after a multi tape backup yH    (I was able to use volume protection everywhere else to prevent them >    from accidentally overwriting the last tape in the backup).  E    I've also spent years doing kernel mode programming with access toRB    full privileges.  I can't imagine doing kernel mode programming    without privileges.  A    I know a fellow who got investigated for running with elevatedeG    privileges he gave himself when he was allowed to update the networkgH    service he was working on but didn't have the privileges he needed toF    use SDA to debug it.  After the investigation he was formally given*    the privileges (he tried asking first).     D    I've almost always had high privileges.  I often use SDA to debugG    application problems like insufficient mailbox size, sometimes I usekK    the security audit facility to debug file access collisions.  Generally eH    the folks who didn't have privileges also didn't know how to do these
    things.  C    And I've always been miffed by "insufficient privilege or object K    protection violation".  It should have been "object protection violationyD    or insufficient privilege".  As a result I often get requests forG    more privilege, when what is really needed is a correction to a file     protection.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:58:50 +0200r- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?' Message-ID: <3D3FF609.D23F0A54@Free.fr>g  $ Best solutions are the easiest ones.  P To me, a programmer who needs privs for his/her testing should use a development- system on which s/he has the requested privs.    D.   JF Mezei wrote:- >  > Didier Morandi wrote: P > > Then, if you implement privileged actions from the operating system, you askK > > your system manager to install your image with the required privileges.@ > L > Problem with this is the testing/debugging stage when you need to compile,N > link, run, edit, compile, link, run, edit etc etc. Every time you recompile,) > the new image needs to be re-installed.r > M > Would it be acceptable to develop some software that runs in a process withtN > CMKRNL that has the ability to INSTALL/REPLACE known files based on requests > coming from known users ?c   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:34:12 -0700, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive)8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?= Message-ID: <b10654c6.0207250634.50970414@posting.google.com>t  y "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message news:<jyG%8.487851$o66.1319781@news-server.bigpond.net.au>... I > In my user-level and system-level coding experience I have not *needed*rN > privs to do my work.  However, to setup such an environment has also taken aH > lot of work and maintenance.  You haven't described exactly what theirN > complaints are, but perhaps the environment they have inherited is difficultL > to work in without privs.  Perhaps it is the environment that needs fixing2 > and turning on privs is just a quick workaround? >  > Matt.    Matt,t  E You've really all but hit the nail on the head.  The environment as aeE whole I find to be kludged and unorganized.  Production runs off of anE disk (different sub-directory) that holds the development code.  I've0E recently discovered object libraries referenced in command proceduresM; for LINKing that are in disusered account directories (past A developers), etc.  The list is long.  There are so many hacks andEF hard-coded directories in command procedures and executables, it wouldB take some time to unwind, so I'm hesitant to move anything.  And IC guess the biggest problem of all is that it's my sentiment that the > existing system manager, technically, has the skillset and VMS? understanding of an operator (at best).  Whenever we talk aboutMA privileges or access, he invariably has to look the privileges uptB because he really doesn't understand how they should be used.  So, it's a rough situation.t  A All in all, I'm all about giving least needed access.  One of the B strengths of VMS is that using a combination of features (exactingA privs, proper file prots., ACLs, rights-ids, etc.) you can reallyiD fine-tune your security scheme.  In this case, it would take quite aC bit of cleaning up to do so, and I would need some cooperation fromeC the system manager to do.  But he sees himself "fully skilled," andnC so, it's just rough.  But you so far of all the responses have comelA closest to the real situation.  If I *could*, I'd certainly scalerD things down, re-org., and THEN most certainly the development staff,@ including myself could probably get by with few or no privileges* whatsoever.  This is all user-mode code...  D I am a bit surprised by the responses thus far though.  It seems theC prevailing sentiments closely parallels the management here, and it1C just may be that because I have always had access to all privileges-F and have used them quite extensively and know what they do that I haveF a bit of a skewed perspective.  I've always viewed privs as TOOLS, and) not jewels that needed to be protected...g   Chris3   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:42:12 -0700, From: colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive)8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?= Message-ID: <b10654c6.0207250642.418ece2d@posting.google.com>s  Y "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in message news:<3D3F0694.9020508@iee.org>...e > Chris Olive wrote: > H > > I'm a CIO, for instance.  Can anyone comment in general on how a VMSH > > development environment should be set up?  I've got programmers thatH > > are clamouring for certain VMS privileges, but I'm a little hesitant > > to hand them out.  >  > $ > Good - you should remain hesitant. > I > > proper VMS development?  Can't they just use TMPMBX and NETMBX like ar) > > normal user and still do development?b >  > ( > That's almost certainly all they need. >  > > F > > <Pop back to the real me> Personally, I've NEVER done development,I > > even of application code (ie. non-systems code) without at least SOMEm > > privileges.c >  > B > I can only assume that you had only one system available and it A > had to serve as both your development machine and test machine.h >  > G > > Can anyone out there comment?  Does anyone have developers that are I > > developing with essentially no (zero, none) elevated privileges?  I'm. >  > C > All the developers when I was working back in REO had no elevated-B > privs. There were test machines available for testing and there @ > were obviously no restrictions there. Prived accounts existed ? > because devos would double up doing system management at odd M? > hours of the day (when there was no cover from the real adminv6 > folks) but these accounts were not used for testing. >  > A > Unless you can find a reason that your developers really *need* C > privs, they should not have them. Give them test machines to play= > on.   ; I totally agree here too.  That's another issue is that thetF development all takes place on the production box.  Even if I did haveF access to all privileges, there are some things you just don't want toD do or try on a production box, so certainly this is a problem that a0 dev box would solve -- something I've suggested.  B Most of the issues I am facing are the results either of decisions= already made by the past developers, or decisions the present0B administration is making now -- like they don't want to purchase aE development box.  (The main app is supposed to be going away, so theyoD just want us to "nurse" it along, etc.  But it's hard to gain accessD to all that is needed to do that in the meantime.  The classic "thisB is going away anyway" no-man's-land of development, you know? 8->)   Christ   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:27:30 -0400c; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>t8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?" Message-ID: <3d401912@news.si.com>  D >Can anyone out there comment?  Does anyone have developers that areA >developing with essentially no (zero, none) elevated privileges?m  D We've developed HUMONGOUS airborne applications on VMS.  None of theK developers have has elevated privileges.  Some of the developers use imageseJ that are installed with elevated privileges, but their accounts don't have them.D --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com2A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comc= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventi< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:51:25 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D401E7A.21FCC378@videotron.ca>  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:K > I'd entirely agree with John's READALL (never needed use for group privs,-
 > though).  H I would think that READALL would be balked at. If you have a developmentH environment that has many different applications, do you really want theK programmer who is tasked with developping web server related software to benE able to access code and test data from the payroll development area ?   L Yeah, it is true that with VMS relegated to a few niches, perhaps READALL isI now permissible since a VMS infrastructure in a companmy is less and lessBL likely to be running multiple and varied applications. But back when VMS wasN the backbone of a corporation, allowing readall to a programmer would not have been permissible.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:01:23 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D4020CF.43534629@videotron.ca>  M One side effect of granting privileges to programmers though is that you musteD then ensure that greater tests are made before the stuff is put intoN production to ensure that the non privileged users who will be running the appL won't have problems. (for instance, making sure that files accessed by usersE are accessible by users, something that is easily overlooked when the_ programmer has privs).  N Web servers are a good example of this. You must make sure that the developpedJ HTML files are accessible to the web server, otherwise the web server willL give regular users the equivalent of a protection violation, even though theM programmer felt the page looked great when he opened the file directly in his7 browser (bypassing the server).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:57:26 +0200mE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>t8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?+ Message-ID: <3D401FE6.4DD9F28F@mediasec.de>i  F > I am a bit surprised by the responses thus far though.  It seems theE > prevailing sentiments closely parallels the management here, and it-E > just may be that because I have always had access to all privileges H > and have used them quite extensively and know what they do that I haveH > a bit of a skewed perspective.  I've always viewed privs as TOOLS, and+ > not jewels that needed to be protected...   F The problem is that if those privileges are available on a production E machine, you also give potential access to information and, worse, inaE some cases the ability to _change_ information, to persons who in the.G ordinary course of things would not have such access and therefore will D not be held accountable when shit happens. You thus invest a lot of  trust into these persons.e  J In Germany, some two years ago a new law (KontrAG) was passed that intendsE to force companies to tighten up on issues of control. An auditor or t? internal revisor should now question any such access in detail.m   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:21:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>L8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D402583.68131572@videotron.ca>   Chris Olive wrote:G > You've really all but hit the nail on the head.  The environment as aa. > whole I find to be kludged and unorganized.   M I once inherited a Data General system that had one programmer/system managerSL where it was such a mess that I captured the equivalent of a DIR/DATE on the? whole system to my VAX and then wrote ALL-IN-1 scripts to matchrN modification/creation dates and document which copies were different from eachL other (on average about 5 copies of the same file strewn around the system).  K That was needed to make even minor modifications to the programs since evensI the file layouts had so many versions it was hard to figure out which wasgL right. I ended up downloading the major files to my vax where I (again usingJ all-in-1) mapped the files to FMS forms that had been built from the cobolQ file layouts so that I could then test to see which file layout matched the data.   L Turns out that it would have been easier for me to rebuild their applicationJ on ALL-IN-1 from just the work that had to be done to cleanup the system !J (Ironic that, to clean up their mess, I used the same physical system that0 that organisation had thrown out years before ).  I Once the cleanup was done, I gave them documentation on exactly which new-N directories contained what and the code was cleanly organised. I had also usedM ALL-In-1 to add comments inside the cobol code to document modification datesI+ as more importantly original file location.F  M Having multiple programmers usually forces some organisation whereas in a one C person shop, if the person isn't organised, it becomes a real mess.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 11:19:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?3 Message-ID: <AdTU5jiTu7xa@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  l In article <b10654c6.0207250634.50970414@posting.google.com>, colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) writes:{ > "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message news:<jyG%8.487851$o66.1319781@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...LJ >> In my user-level and system-level coding experience I have not *needed*O >> privs to do my work.  However, to setup such an environment has also taken adI >> lot of work and maintenance.  You haven't described exactly what theirrO >> complaints are, but perhaps the environment they have inherited is difficultpM >> to work in without privs.  Perhaps it is the environment that needs fixings3 >> and turning on privs is just a quick workaround?t >>   >> Matt. >  > Matt,I > G > You've really all but hit the nail on the head.  The environment as aaG > whole I find to be kludged and unorganized.  Production runs off of aeG > disk (different sub-directory) that holds the development code.  I'vec  A Having development on the same machine as production leads to thed? temptation to let developers run their tests against the "real"t data.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:38:37 -0400e% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>e8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?/ Message-ID: <uk0acembol60b6@news.supernews.com>-  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:8z5bm1AK6CK0@eisner.encompasserve.org...u? > In article <b10654c6.0207241121.575437f3@posting.google.com>,r. colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) writes: >1 [snip]E >    And I've always been miffed by "insufficient privilege or object:C >    protection violation".  It should have been "object protection 	 violation F >    or insufficient privilege".  As a result I often get requests forI >    more privilege, when what is really needed is a correction to a file. >    protection. >r  G I once had a programmer come to me and say "I need more privileges!  MyoH program keeps failing with 'access violation'".  He's now managing group  homes for the mentally retarded.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:50:32 +0100 (MET)h9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?; Message-ID: <01KKIT1Y40Z496Y2PR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>p  I > I once had a programmer come to me and say "I need more privileges!  My J > program keeps failing with 'access violation'".  He's now managing group# > homes for the mentally retarded. i   :-)e  2 Job-interview test:  Give the developer this file:  
    $  EXIT 32t  H and ask him to execute it.  If he asks for more privs, give them to him G and watch the puzzlement on his face before telling him that he is not d qualified enough.i   :-|e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:17:42 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D4032AD.22C01256@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:C > Having development on the same machine as production leads to theaA > temptation to let developers run their tests against the "real"e > data.d  H When I built a disaster tolerant cluster, the developemnt and productionI directories ended up being mirrored on the same drives.  Judicious use ofvM different UICs for the owner of the application and a few changes to logicalslG made it quite possible to have safe co-existence of the two on the same M drives. However, only one copy could run on a physical machine at a time. (so M one vax was production and the othert was test, even though their disk drivese were identical).  N The big change was to deprive the development folks from the password to startK the production swift software. Whenever they needed it to debug the runningdM production system, they had to call the operator who would then provide it totG them and log that (and proceed to change the password after so that theeM development foplks would no longer have it).  Operators were told to give theuL password "easily", so it was never a hindrance for the development people ifH they really needed it, but it prevented the temptation to just go to the production directories.,  K They were granted the password to start their test system at will, but thatmN account, being in a different group from the production one didn't have accessK to the production files or software. This setup also made it impossible forRL them to transfer files from test to production. If they needed to do that, IN told them to first copy the file to a "neutral" directory (their sys$login forM instance) change the protection of the file to allow the production system tonQ read it and then obtain the production system password , login and copy the file.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:43:21 -04001- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D4038AF.8357A27D@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:l4 > Job-interview test:  Give the developer this file: >  >    $  EXIT 32h  I At home, I would know something is wrong since I wouldn't hear the "beep"sG coming from the console in the adjoining room. Whenever I try to accessa3 something I can't, it generates an audit alarm. :-)k   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:21:10 -0400o* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>9 Subject: RE: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report - Message-ID: <0033000073928450000002L002*@MHS>h  H =0A"Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messa= geE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4901479EFD@rlghncst964.usps.gov...e > General impressions- > : > There's a new emphasis on VMS as an e-business solution. >r? > (This might be the justification for "breaking VMS out of them0 > vertical niches" that we've been waiting for.)  A Was this explictily articulated or was it merely hinted at? As totH non-ebusiness solutions, I would assume that those are solutions that r= emainaH solely in-house rather than being exposed to the nasty old web? Why did=  thate appear to downplayed?   H      I don't understand your question.  The "new" emphasis on e-busines= s wasSH      presented as a change in direction from the strategic decision mad= e =      to concentrate VMS on specific targeted market segments.i  H What are they really trying to position VMS systems as...db servers run= ningH Oracle or Rdb for web apps, as web app servers, portal servers, somethi= ng; else? Did they talk about expanding the 3rd-party app base?a  E      The way this was discussed was very general- they didn't go into,!      specific server deployments.o  H      I did ask that, while they were expending resources to promote por= tingH      of applications to Itanium, they were also going to try to bring s= omeeH      applications that were "lost sheep" as far as VMS is concerned "ba= ck5      into the fold" and the response was affirmative.m  6 > I was particularly surprised at the number of people. > who were *not* OpenVMS users who were there;  H That is a bit of a pleasant surprise. How well attended was the event? = WhenB you say "*not* OpenVMS users", are you referring to individuals orH corporations represented? What percentage of the corporations/.edu/.gov=  > crowd attending do you think were not currently VMS customers?  >      I'd say there were about 75 people there- let me add thatF      this was targeted to the public sector- .govs and .edus, although&      there were some .com folks there.  H      (Michael A. and Ken F. - sorry y'all didn't make it.  I would have=  +      liked to have met y'all face to face.)e  C      I don't know about percentages.  They didn't exactly ask for a        show of hands, as I recall.  4 > I can report that VMS Marketing people *do* exist-5 > the one with whom I spoke had a tech background andr >l4 > 1) was very happy with the changes that have taken > place since the merger.o  5 What changes did they refer to that we aren't seeing?   7      I can't be specific, but I'll use a colloquialism:E  7      More than one person from HP that was there was of 7      the opinion that OpenVMS isn't going to be treated *      like a red-headed stepchild any more.  4      Perhaps somebody flashed a very large number in7      front of the right- what is it you Brits call 'em?l9      Exalted Personages? and that resulted in a change iny       their perception of the OS.  ,      But that's pure speculation on my part.  
       WWWebb=    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:36:19 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>e9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report " Message-ID: <3d401b24@news.si.com>   >The caveat:D >HP gives the OpenVMS division free reign as to how they spend theirD >marketing/advertising money, and that includes slamming any and allK >unix/Linux/Windows products as appropriate (including HP-UX when and whereo >it deserves it).d   Yeah, like that'll happen. -- eA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comm= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:40:15 GMT ? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)eG Subject: Re: HSV snapshots vs. Spiralog ? (Was: CLI access to HSV's...) . Message-ID: <3d3fa8fe.495272@news.demon.co.uk>   Bill,b  C Thanks for your reply in this thread.  I was out yesterday, and youi said exactly what I'd have.t   Jim.  F On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:07:40 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:   >n: >"Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message( >news:87r8hutliz.fsf@prep.synonet.com...D >> Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson) writes: >>H >> > Unless you are saying that HSV disks become irretrievably corruptedI >> > in the event of a system crash (something that I cannot bring myselftB >> > to believe), any and all caches held on any and all hosts are >> > irrelevant. >>* >> May... What is fsck used for? and when? >rM >It is used to attempt to bring incompetently-designed file systems back to anJ >state of internal consistency.  Competent file systems use careful-updateK >approaches or protect themselves with a transaction log, both avoiding theoK >need for fsck and providing actual consistency up to some defined point in,L >time rather than just whatever structural consistency they can scrounge out
 >of the mess._ >aE >As to 'when', it's used during recovery.  In the case Jim described,vL >'recovery' includes using it (for incompetent file systems that require it)I >as the first step toward actually using a snapshot (though this requiresoJ >that the snapshot be writable or be restored in raw form to a system thatH >can then be updated by running fsck).  Log-protected file systems wouldI >instead process their transaction log as the first step toward using thesK >snapshot (again requiring that the snapshot be writable or be restored rawrG >to a system that could then be updated by processing the log).  ODS-2,pM >however, being a careful-update file system, could just process the snapshotaH >directly without having to write to it to create a consistent (at least- >sufficiently consistent to be usable) state.  >e >>I >> > The consistent view that I was referring to, and the only consistentrD >> > view that matters if the previous paragraph is true, is the oneC >> > presented by the storage itself -- that certainly involves the C >> > caches on the disk device, and probably involves caches on theiG >> > controller.  It does NOT involve caches at any higher layer of theo >> > system. >>E >> The consistant view may only exist on the user side of the kernel.- >-K >The state Jim refers to is called a 'crash-consistent' state.  If a systemMK >can recover from a crash, then it can use the same mechanisms to convert amM >crash-consistent snapshot into something that can be processed (as describedc >above). >  > ThatK >> is the state you must preserve. There must be a mechinism that runs fromeF >> userland to the metal to flush out ALL state, and totally serialize >> everything. >wI >No, there needn't be:  as long as the application is built to be able totE >recover to a usable state after a crash, it can use exactly the samesK >mechanisms to recover a device-level snapshot to the same usable state (asaL >long as all application state is contained on the one device performing theH >snapshot; if it's spread more widely, some kind of synchronous snapshot8 >coordination across all applicable devices must exist). >aM >Now, if you have a mechanism to flush all state to the storage device beforeeI >it takes its snapshot, you can certainly acquire a more up-to-the-minute2D >picture.  But it's arguable that the difference is not particularlyI >significant, since by definition the only additional state you'd capturenE >would be state the application was willing to lose if the system (ortH >application) died (i.e., not that important:  if it were, it would have >flushed it already).l > < > Note, that in a SAN, this means all the SAN is potentially >> involved in this. >>E >> If some of your data is cached in the host when you perform a snap E >> and it does not get out first, you have corruped your data to somei
 >> extent. >dM >Only to the same extent that the application was willing to tolerate (and/orp3 >deal with on restart) if it or the system crashed.u >s >- billt >i >a >s   Jim Johnsonn Software Exploration, Ltd.) (remove '.nospam' from the reply address)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:07:20 +0200tE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>e Subject: Re: Intel to smash AMDr) Message-ID: <3D3FB1B8.79863A@mediasec.de>n  I >         Actually, a number of factors.  Two of the biggest are a faster > >         front-side bus clocking at 533 MHz where AMD is 266.  N That is the largest factor at the moment, I think. There were some discussionsN in comp.arch recently that showed the influence of increasing memory bandwidthN (and reducing latency) on performance. In this respect, the P4 is ahead of theN Athlon, just as Hammer will be ahead of anything Intel in this respect when it (finally) arrives.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:45:03 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r Subject: Re: Intel to smash AMDt, Message-ID: <3D401CFD.6D662C71@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:I >         Justice Department in U.S. vs. Microsoft.  Intel will be immuneiM >         to a case as they are clearly selling parts above cost.  What could L >         be argued is the company is losing money overall (it that happens)- >         but there isn't a law against that.   J I am not so sure about that. Intel has many profitable products/operationsH which are not "PC" related. And with recent price cuts in commodity 8086K chips, one has to wonder if those still generate Intel's profits or if thatbM product line is destined to become like wintel operations and box makers likei% HP, Compaq etc who lose money on PCs.u  G What if Intel loses money on 8086s, but makes money on ethernet and USBL. chipsets that are usually sold with an 8086 ?   J Consider IA64 now. Do you think for a minute that Intel is actually makingH money on this ? They may charge more than the unit production costs, but5 shouldn't they also factor in the development costs ?x   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 11:06:14 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o Subject: Re: Intel to smash AMDo3 Message-ID: <sWNSLRd8rbo3@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  \ In article <3D401CFD.6D662C71@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:J >>         Justice Department in U.S. vs. Microsoft.  Intel will be immuneN >>         to a case as they are clearly selling parts above cost.  What couldM >>         be argued is the company is losing money overall (it that happens)s. >>         but there isn't a law against that. > L > I am not so sure about that. Intel has many profitable products/operationsJ > which are not "PC" related. And with recent price cuts in commodity 8086M > chips, one has to wonder if those still generate Intel's profits or if thatLO > product line is destined to become like wintel operations and box makers likep' > HP, Compaq etc who lose money on PCs.c > I > What if Intel loses money on 8086s, but makes money on ethernet and USBt0 > chipsets that are usually sold with an 8086 ?  >   ; 	They have to be making a ton of money on the CPUs and theyt= 	are building the FABs to prove it.  If there wasn't money toeB 	be made, they would shift major focus elsewhere.  In another CNET4 	article, a more recent look at manufacturing costs:  0 http://news.com.com/2100-1001-914985.html?tag=rn  M It probably costs Intel $21 or less to pop out the silicon inside a Pentium 4(M on its most advanced manufacturing lines, while AMD shells out $22 or less onl8 its best Athlon chip, according to analysts' estimates.   A 	The power users bought the $597 dollar 2.53 GHz , that becomes ab@ 	$220 part.  The problem really is that AMD is not keeping up inC 	performance.  If they were, they could match Intel up and down thetE 	line cost<->performance.  That 2.53 GHz P4 out performs Athlon 2200+sC 	(AMD's top performing part)... there is a gap that AMD can't closen4 	but will tweek price to stay "somewhat" attractive.  L > Consider IA64 now. Do you think for a minute that Intel is actually makingJ > money on this ? They may charge more than the unit production costs, but7 > shouldn't they also factor in the development costs ?t  B 	Read that CNET article.  It is a very complicated business.  That7 	said, Intel's financials reveal they are making money:   & http://biz.yahoo.com/fin/l/i/intc.html  C Period Ending: Mar 30, 2002 Dec 29, 2001 Sep 29, 2001 Jun 30, 2001  ? Net Income $936,000,000 $504,000,000 $106,000,000 $196,000,000 s   	AMD isn't:   B Period Ending: Mar 31, 2002 Dec 30, 2001 Sep 30, 2001 Jul 1, 2001 A Net Income ($9,163,000) ($15,842,000) ($186,928,000) $17,352,000 a  > 	And it appears now that it will get a whole lot worse for AMDC 	in the next few months.  Expect an AMD price cut just to stay near  	the ball park (not in it).s   	A final look:  O Lower manufacturing costs are "important to your margins, but it doesn't impactsL the sale price of your processors," Krewell said. "Intel sets the price, and" AMD prices theirs against Intel."   O For AMD that's not good news. Intel is in a position to raise the speed rapidly K on the Pentium 4. In the third quarter, Intel will sell the 2.5GHz and 3GHzrJ chips for high prices, but deeply discount the 1.8GHz to 2GHz chips, which) compete against AMD's Athlon, Osha said. i  O "They are going to price those in a manner that will make it very difficult foryN AMD to make money," Osha said. He predicts AMD will lose 21 cents a share this0 year, "but it could be a lost worse than that."   A 	What Osha didn't anticipate was that Intel is deeply discountingt> 	2.5 GHz parts and has a 2.8 GHz to fill in a gap.  Looks likeH 	"could" is turning into "will" and is part of a very punishing strategy 	on Intel's part.e   				Robr   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 06:15:10 GMTt* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...C Message-ID: <OHM%8.274000$iB1.14128419@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D3F6BA6.DF3B3BD2@videotron.ca... > Bill Todd wrote:F > > Similarly, Intel may choose to stop shoveling billions into ItanicI > > development (and marketing).  That won't make it disappear overnight,r and inC > > fact would allow Intel to start making a marginal profit on theh	 dwindling ? > > numbers of units it would continue to sell for a few years.r >dG > The current plan is to keep McKinley for a few years and only give itt cosmetic! > improvements (speed bumps etc).h > G > Was this originally the plan or were there more agressive developmentr plansr > for IA64 after McKinley ?l  L It has been said by people who were paying attention to Itanic plans severalI years ago (I was not) that Madison was originally planned to be the thirdeJ major core design.  Clearly that changed, since now both Madison and laterF Montecito are said to be McKinley cores (with shrinks and more cache).   >eK > If there were more agressive development plans for IA64 which were scaledi downJ > for the next few years, could this be seen as a sign that Intel wants to stop# > shovelingf billions into Itanic ?h  J Probably not, since by all appearances Intel put the EV8 team to work on aI major new 2006 design (probably called Chivano, though that name could be L applied earlier to a 2005 intermediate version still using the McKinley coreK but EV7-style on-chip surrounding glue, very much like EV7 uses the old EV6eI core with new surrounding glue).  In other words, Intel is still throwingl2 money at Itanic about as fast as it can absorb it.  K The explanation that seems to make the most sense is that Intel had so muchsL difficulty first with Merced and then with McKinley (which did turn out muchL better but still failed to come anywhere near its clock-speed goals) that itK burned out most of its available talent and had absolutely no clue where to1I go next.  Otherwise, it would have had *something* in process more than aeH year ago that would have come to fruition before 2005 and made MontecitoL more than just another shrink of McKinley. But then it got a major influx ofH fresh talent with the EV8 team and put it to work designing the Next BigG Thing for Itanic - just a few years late.  How successful they'll be of H course won't be known for quite a while yet:  I would have asked BrannonH just what he saw as promising paths forward (since they're certainly notH clear to me) if I'd thought that there was any chance that he would feel free to discuss it.I   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:54:44 -0400e* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>, Subject: RE: low-level formatting SCSI disks- Message-ID: <0033000073924051000002L012*@MHS>o  8 =0ADon't forget to mention the "small world" suggestion, from that thread, Hoff.s   :^)=   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETl& Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:19 PMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET, Subject: RE: low-level formatting SCSI disks    A In article <3D3D9FF9.58ED5AFA@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>, Jonathan Boswell H <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> writes: :Is there a test 70 console command that=  I couldH use to low-level format a SCSI :disk on a VAXstation 4000/VLC, an Alpha= Station 9 200, or an AlphaServer 2000 or :2100?  Thanks in advance!y  H   If you need to do a low-level format, the disk is probably going bad.=    H   What most systems call a "format", OpenVMS calls an INITIALIZE.  What=  F   OpenVMS traditionally calls a "format" generally involves tools fromE   the storage hardware vendor.  (And when the low-level format of the F   disk is going bad, well, a catastrophic failure can be impending...)  H   If you want to try this yourself, please acquire the rzdisk tool from=  !   the Freeware V4.0 distribution.   =     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/rzdisk/   6   At a higher level, INITIALIZE/ERASE can work nicely.  H   Given your site, I will assume you are less interested in a SCSI form= atH   than in how to declassify or otherwise erase a disk, and this can and=  H   does "get interesting".  (One of the nicest ways to erase the disk is=  F   not a format, but a pattern erasure.  For some additional backgroundD   on disk erasure, please see Ask The Wizard topics including (841),E   (3926), (4286), (4598), (6926) and (7320), as well as various otherc   referenced topics.)w  F   Also, if this is disk erasure, you will need to discuss the specificF   local erasure requirements with your site security officer (or otherF   site-specific analog), as the "correct" answer depends completely on6   the actual sensitivity (value) of the data involved.  H   As this is not the first time this erasure topic has arisen :-), I'll=  E   add this erasure discussion to the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.o  H  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------= -------tH       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.= comeH  --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------= -------hH    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.de= c.com=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:04:59 GMTeF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman), Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks2 Message-ID: <%HS%8.12$2x7.214064@news.cpqcorp.net>  [ In article <3D3F61F6.D8F505BC@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:o  F >I've been "preaching" that INITIALIZE != FORMAT, rather INITIALIZE is >more closely akin to mkfs.l >_3 >Example: try INITIALIZING an unformatted diskette.   B This is another example of how some terms in the computer industry% are used in multiple, inprecise ways.   = I have never seen a SCSI disk that was completely unformattedoA the way a diskette can be unformatted: which is to say that there-@ is no blocking information at all on the media.  The last time IB saw a hard disk in this state was in the RP02 / RP03 / RP04 / RMxx! 14 inch removeable disk pack era.s  @ A completely blank diskette has to be formatted.  All SCSI disksC I've seen have some sort of formatting information on them already,nE and don't have to be formatted (unless they were previously formatted0B in a format that is incompatible with OpenVMS, such as blocks that@ are not 512 bytes in size: these are rare.  Note that while someB operating systems 'block' the disk in chunks other than 512 bytes,: the disk itself is usually 512 bytes per unit of storage.)  A In one sense, your comparison of INITIALIZE and mkfs makes sense,f< since they perform similar functions. (If you happen to knowA what mkfs does, and assuming that all Unix-like operating systemsi  use the term mkfs the same way.)  C Within some other operating systems, FORMAT means something similarn@ to what INITIALIZE does: for example, within Disk Administrator,= Format means to build the disk file structure in a partition.pD At a DOS prompt for the same OS, FORMAT can mean writing the storageB blocks on blank media such as a diskette AND write the file systemE (FAT or NTFS) structure.  So they use the same word to mean differentn things in different utilities.  B All this just emphasizes that when you ask a question, you need toD give enough of the context for other people to understand what it isA that you are actually asking.  This is why you often see postingsh@ here asking the person asking the original question to give moreB information, and not to use abbreviations for system and operatingC system names.  There is no real standardization across the industrya" as to what many terms really mean.     --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have au5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:14:11 -0400n+ From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@newtrumpet.org>c, Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks. Message-ID: <3D4023D3.C5C3AFAA@newtrumpet.org>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:fI >   If you need to do a low-level format, the disk is probably going bad.b  N Yes, that is a possibility.  But I am suspicious that this particular disk hasO been de-gaussed.  So, if it survived that treatment, it might work fine after ae low-level format.e  E > please acquire the rzdisk tool from the Freeware V4.0 distribution..  H I take it from this response that there is NOT a test 70 on a VAXstationO 4000/VLC, nor on an Alphastation 200, nor on an Alphaserver 2x00? (:-( OK, I'll  try it.  Thanks.    - JB    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:46:12 GMTaF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman), Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks2 Message-ID: <EPW%8.31$_G7.542865@news.cpqcorp.net>  \ In article <3D4023D3.C5C3AFAA@newtrumpet.org>, Jonathan Boswell <jsb@newtrumpet.org> writes: >rO >Yes, that is a possibility.  But I am suspicious that this particular disk hasaP >been de-gaussed.  So, if it survived that treatment, it might work fine after a >low-level format.  B I find it difficult to believe that a disk that has been subjectedA to an external magnetic degaussing field that is strong enough toaD get through the housing and erase the platters won't also be damagedC in some other way as well.  (There is other 'stuff' inside the diskt@ drive that needs to be magnetic to work.)  I would think it more@ likely that somebody used a program to do something to the disk.  B In addition to the excellent suggestion of using RZTOOLS, for someB people there are other options.  If you have a running VMS system,: you can look in the SYS$ETC directory for some unsupported= utilities, including an RZTOOLS that usually ships with Alphao? and some other SCSI tools.  You can trigger the internal format ( command on some drives with these tools.  > Keep in mind, this is unsupported, and if you tell the disk to@ do the wrong thing it may well go ahead and do it anyway.  So be= certain you don't have any data you want on that drive before < trying any of these operations, and be careful you only send2 commands to the drive you actually want to change.  > And if you really think the drive needs reformatting, you willB probably want to run the drive for a while to make sure it reaches7 normal operating temperature before doing the reformat.e   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ar5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:49:35 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>n, Subject: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow* Message-ID: <ahp6m0$9a5$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  J  There was a very cool banner that said With OpenVMS there is no question.J I recevied an invitation and checked to see if it was open for everyone to register and they said yes.o  
 Warm Regards,    Sue           G The registration web site is now open for OpenVMS comes to Itanium, thes0 Summer 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector.  " www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour  !  Raleigh, NC - Thursday, July 18t     Chicago, IL - Tuesday, July 23  "  Columbus, OH - Thursday, July 25    Boston, MA - Tuesday, July 30r  #  Nashville, TN - Tuesday, August 6   #  Houston, TX - Thursday, August 15   !  Denver, CO - Tuesday, August 20s  "  Seattle, WA - Tuesday, August 27          
 Mark Langford     BCS Business Development Manager   U.S. Public Sector Sales  
 the new HP  % voice 281.518.2668 . fax 281.926.1162    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:02:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow, Message-ID: <3D402F3A.1A07177B@videotron.ca>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > L >  There was a very cool banner that said With OpenVMS there is no question.  I Sue, if this is HP produced material, I would find it a bit insensitive. r  I HP should admit that it got off on the wrong foot with VMS and that it is M working to regain the trust of its new customers. With the Stallard memos and6N the mere one liner in the product roadmap stating that HP intended to continueH the very same very bad "plan of record" established when Compaq murderedJ Alpha, I don't think that HP has much credibility and it will need to work' hard to undo the damage done initially.h  I To say that there are no questions is showing that they are out of touch.n  D "You'll trust HP as much as you've trusted VMS" would have been moreG appropriate. The future tense indicates HP is aware of current distrustrE problem and that it will work to fix that. It also shows how much VMS & customers do trust VM'S to do the job.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 10:49:50 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)0 Subject: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207250949.4fd2789b@posting.google.com>r  6 Just got back, and it was a good seminar ... talked to3 a former dec marketing person of 20 years from thisn3 area, and she feels real good about hp ... she saidb0 Carly understands VMS well and likes it ... they2 definitely will market it now ... to niche markets7 and ecommerce ... they also found out they were gettingh7 the wrong mailing lists, as I told them we had softwareo4 support for years and never heard a thing about this4 seminar except thru this board, and they shook their4 heads ... the hp itanium chip developer was good and5 after talking with him made me feel any epic compiler.1 problems will be overcome ... I also won an ipaq!r4 And what neat hp OpenVMS mugs ... also saw Oracle 9i5 running on a clustered ds20e rack ... food was great, 5 all in all, a great event!  Just need to work on weres  you get those mailing lists Sue!   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:04:20 GMT 1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi>o Subject: Perl Modulesi3 Message-ID: <8PR%8.3769$EL6.43725@news.kpnqwest.fi>   I Does anyone know if there are following modules for perl 5.6.1 on OpenVMSs
 alpha 7.2-2 ?    Net::FTP,DBI,Net::Telnet  $ If so, where can these be obtained ?   -Kari-   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:21:55 +0000 (UTC)b From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Perl Modules0+ Message-ID: <ahou1j$2ma$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>e  g In article <8PR%8.3769$EL6.43725@news.kpnqwest.fi>, "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> writes:0J >Does anyone know if there are following modules for perl 5.6.1 on OpenVMS >alpha 7.2-2 ? >$ >Net::FTP,DBI,Net::Telnete > % >If so, where can these be obtained ?f >A >-Kari-h >e  = The standard place for all perl modules - cpan (www.cpan.org)bD Note. Perl modules are pretty much platform agnostic. In general theI same perl module will build and work on any platform - of course a moduleoL for accessing VMS queues probably won't build or if it did wouldn't be much  use on a non-vms system etct      1 For the Net::FTP you will want the libnet bundle.e    4 Alpha1:typ/pa perl_root:[000000]LIBNET-1_0703.README  > libnet is a collection of Perl modules which provides a simple= and consistent programming interface (API) to the client side 4 of various protocols used in the internet community.  ; For details of each protocol please refer to the RFC. RFC's 7 can be found a various places on the WEB, for a staringh point look at:  ?     http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Standards/RFCs/i  , The RFC implemented in this distribution are  6 Net::FTP        RFC959          File Transfer Protocol= Net::SMTP       RFC821          Simple Mail Transfer Protocolh0 Net::Time       RFC867          Daytime Protocol- Net::Time       RFC868          Time Protocolu> Net::NNTP       RFC977          Network News Transfer Protocol6 Net::POP3       RFC1939         Post Office Protocol 3= Net::SNPP       RFC1861         Simple Network Pager Protocolc  C The distribution also contains a module (Net::PH) which facilitatessD comunicate with with servers using the CCSO Nameserver Server-Client Protocol   FUTURE WORK    AVAILABILITY  E The latest version of libnet is available from the Comprehensive Perlp9 Archive Network (CPAN). To find a CPAN site near you see:r       http://www.perl.com/CPAN    D (Net::Telnet doesn't appear to be in this bundle so you will have to' get the Net::Telnet module separately).     J Similarly for database access you will need the DBI module and appropriate DBD modules from CPAN.  1 Alpha1:typ/pa perl_root:[DBI-1_20]DBI-1_20.READMEe  / DBI - The Perl Database Interface by Tim Bunce.t  , Copyright (c) 1994-2000  Tim Bunce  England.  B See COPYRIGHT section in DBI.pm for usage and distribution rights.   RECENT NEWS:  C     The DBI comes bundled with DBI::Shell, DBD::ADO, DBD::Proxy ando=     DBI::ProxyServer modules. Those are still alpha releases.w  A     Note that recent additions to the DBI spec (marked *NEW*) mayvD     take a little while to be fully supported by individual drivers.   QUICK START GUIDE:  G     The DBI requires one or more 'driver' modules to talk to databases.hG     Check that a DBD::* module exists for the database you wish to use. @     Read the DBI README then Build/test/install the DBI by doing             perl Makefile.PL             make             make testi             make install  -  K Note. There are now probably later versions of these modules than the ones   mentioned above.  G Note also that Perl 5.8.0 has now been released see http://www.perl.orgs  M Haven't had a chance to try this out yet. But the developers have been sayinga> that this release was going to be a great improvement for VMS.          
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 10:36:15 -0700( From: mark.halman@gale.com (Mark Halman)' Subject: PERP Queue enhancement utilityd< Message-ID: <59d30dfe.0207250936.a5f4a6f@posting.google.com>  @ I am looking for an old Decus utility that allowed you to submitC entries the VMS queues with a lot of flexibility.  For Example, youeE could specify that entries go on the third Tuesday of every month.  Io" think the utility was called PERP.  E Does anyone know where I can get my hands on this utility or one like: it?o   Mark HalmanB   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:30:06 +0200yE From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de>lN Subject: Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env")+ Message-ID: <3D3FB70E.9B01CD4B@mediasec.de>L  F If an ACE references a UIC, I agree with you - administration can be a6 nightmare, in particular if you have staff turnaround.  F General identifiers and ACLs using them, however, map very well to theE concept of roles. And role-based access control is what one should beXJ doing anyway. In a sense, only "personal" files are accessed via the usualG protection mask or, in some special cases, by a UIC-based ACE. All the cJ rest is done via roles and the ACEs that support them. Once you've thoughtH that out and set up things appropriately, maintenance is quite easy, andM in many cases can be put into a command procedure that executes  SET ACL/LIKEi	 commands.s  E Of course, early versions of the VMS ACL system did have some bugs or0F misfeatures in this respect, but I do think those have been ironed out by now.b   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:52:31 -0400I; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>lN Subject: Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env")$ Message-ID: <3d401eef$1@news.si.com>  J >Yet it seems many view ACLs as a "first attack" approach to file security in the  >feedback I have received today.  L We use ACLs almost exclusively.  I, as the sysadmin, have never been able toG find a good scheme for granting access via the UIC.  People move around A between groups here so often, it's like a falling domino contest.e  L The additional advantage to using ACLs instead of UICs for access control isI that with UIC-based control, quotas never come out right.  With ACLs, the I project identifier owns all the files.  The users have their own personaltE space (their login directories), but all project work is owned by thenI resource identifier.  That way, disk allocation to the project is easy toi control. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:04:46 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>oN Subject: Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env"), Message-ID: <3D402FA6.310DC7BD@videotron.ca>   Brian Tillman wrote:N > The additional advantage to using ACLs instead of UICs for access control is< > that with UIC-based control, quotas never come out right.   J Do commercial VMS shops really still bother with quotas ? I can understand- universities needing them, but corporations ?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:46:43 GMT:. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting<4 Message-ID: <D1O%8.76853$Se4.2143211@news.chello.at>  c In article <jTfMTGSw70Xm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:me >In article <3D3F2C0C.3000108@remove.eds.com>, Arlen Williams <arlen.williams@remove.eds.com> writes: @ >> How do you prevent the ACME_SERVER from starting? Looking at 6 >> SYLOGICALS.COM it says you should do the following: >> t0 >> $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC ACME$TO_BE_STARTED FALSE >>  H >> and according to ACME$STARTUP.COM you should make the same change to L >> SYLOGICALS (except it says to use NO instead of FALSE). I know they both L >> work the same way, but the ACME_SERVER process gets started anyway using J >> either logical definition. It looks like ACME$STARTUP.COM is being run E >> before SYLOGICALS.COM. Does anyone know the correct procedure for t( >> preventing ACME_SERVER from starting? >nD >I believe those controls date from VMS V7.2 when use of ACME_SERVERF >was optional, only needed for certain products.  I believe these days5 >ACME_SERVER is started automatically on all systems.,  K Indeed. VMS$CONFIG-050_ACME_SERVER.COM does not check any logical (on V7.3)o# It does start the ACME server with m   	$set server acme/start/logm, 	$set server acme/config=(name=vms,cred=vms) 	$set server acme/enable   which is not reflected in HELP   SETs   SERVER
     Parameterw       server-name <          Valid values are: SECURITY_SERVER, REGISTRY_SERVER.   SETT   SERVER/     Sorry, no documentation on SET SERVER /CONFt  %     Additional information available:n       Parameter  Qualifiersp@     /ABORT     /CLUSTER   /EXIT      /LOG       /MASTER    /NODE     /RESTART   /STARTi     Examples    B Time to update HELP and to eliminate the old startup comfiles like? ACME$STARTUP.COM	NTA$STARTUP_NT_ACME.COM		PWRK$ACME_STARTUP.COMs   -- s Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERe% Network and OpenVMS system specialistc E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:13:46 GMTn+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>y1 Subject: Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting 2 Message-ID: <eQS%8.13$Yw7.212013@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Be aware that, beginning with OpenVMS 7.3-1, the ACME_SERVER is a required4 system process serving SYS$ACM system service calls.  K Note: *** The following procedure for modifying the system startup database J is not a recommended practice. It is provided only as a temporary means ofK preventing the automatic startup of the ACME_SERVER process on VMS 7.3. TheeI system startup database will be  overwritten on the next VMS upgrade. ***o  0 SYSMAN> startup set database STARTUP$STARTUP_VMS; SYSMAN> startup disable file VMS$CONFIG-050_ACME_SERVER.COMn  J This will cause the system startup procedure to bypass the creation of the: ACME_SERVER process for sites not running the COM product.  
 Rick Barry OpenVMS Systems Software Group Hewlett Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH  ; "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in messagei. news:D1O%8.76853$Se4.2143211@news.chello.at...K > In article <jTfMTGSw70Xm@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.nets (Larry Kilgallen) writes: ? > >In article <3D3F2C0C.3000108@remove.eds.com>, Arlen Williams ' <arlen.williams@remove.eds.com> writes:-A > >> How do you prevent the ACME_SERVER from starting? Looking atm8 > >> SYLOGICALS.COM it says you should do the following: > >>2 > >> $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC ACME$TO_BE_STARTED FALSE > >>I > >> and according to ACME$STARTUP.COM you should make the same change topH > >> SYLOGICALS (except it says to use NO instead of FALSE). I know they bothG > >> work the same way, but the ACME_SERVER process gets started anywayu usingSK > >> either logical definition. It looks like ACME$STARTUP.COM is being runaF > >> before SYLOGICALS.COM. Does anyone know the correct procedure for* > >> preventing ACME_SERVER from starting? > >sF > >I believe those controls date from VMS V7.2 when use of ACME_SERVERH > >was optional, only needed for certain products.  I believe these days7 > >ACME_SERVER is started automatically on all systems.I >uG > Indeed. VMS$CONFIG-050_ACME_SERVER.COM does not check any logical (ont V7.3).$ > It does start the ACME server with >o > $set server acme/start/log- > $set server acme/config=(name=vms,cred=vms)r > $set server acme/enable  >k  > which is not reflected in HELP >s > SETd
 >   SERVER >     ParameterO >       server-names> >          Valid values are: SECURITY_SERVER, REGISTRY_SERVER. >n > SETa
 >   SERVER1 >     Sorry, no documentation on SET SERVER /CONFh >i' >     Additional information available:o >o >     Parameter  QualifiersgB >     /ABORT     /CLUSTER   /EXIT      /LOG       /MASTER    /NODE >     /RESTART   /STARTr >     Examples >h > D > Time to update HELP and to eliminate the old startup comfiles like@ > ACME$STARTUP.COM NTA$STARTUP_NT_ACME.COM PWRK$ACME_STARTUP.COM >o > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistt > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atK > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMSn Job(s)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 08:52:14 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From StartingU3 Message-ID: <uDHJj3Ehhs4d@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  e In article <D1O%8.76853$Se4.2143211@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:r  M > Indeed. VMS$CONFIG-050_ACME_SERVER.COM does not check any logical (on V7.3)t% > It does start the ACME server with a >  > 	$set server acme/start/loga. > 	$set server acme/config=(name=vms,cred=vms) > 	$set server acme/enable >   > which is not reflected in HELP >  > SETr
 >   SERVER >     Parametere >       server-nameR> >          Valid values are: SECURITY_SERVER, REGISTRY_SERVER.  J That is the typical sign of a command that is reserved to VMS Development.   > Time to update HELPi  ? Only if they are going to support that command for general use.c< Until that time they are free to change the command from one release to the next.   Have you tried the command:,   	HELP SET WATCH FILE  A The command SET WATCH FILE has been around about 15 years, but isuC not a supported feature of VMS and could be removed at any release.r> (There might be crowds with torches marching on New Hampshire,: but that is a political rather than a technical issue :-).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:55:34 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>O$ Subject: Re: printer status question$ Message-ID: <3d401fa6$1@news.si.com>  9 >Did you restart the queue by running DCPS$STARTUP.COM orn >by using $START/QUEUE?S >e6 >I don't think that the queue will start properly with6 >the latter command if it's a queue that DCPS sets up,  D We use START and STOP for our DCPS queues all the time.  No problem. -- gA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventh< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:59:32 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgU Subject: Re: Q: Overriding /separate=flag qualifier for DCPS queues on per-job basis?r3 Message-ID: <AvVdU+9uuOrg@eisner.encompasserve.org>r   In article <00A116A7.40B4EFD4@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:-5 > My DCPS execution queues are defined like this one:n > ( > sho que 120_mailroom$120_mailroom/fullB > Printer queue 120_MAILROOM$120_MAILROOM, idle, on SSRL::.LPS120,+ > mounted form DCPS$DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT)dA >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DCPS$DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT)) A >   /NOENABLE_GENERIC /LIBRARY=DCPS_LIB Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]sH >   /PROCESSOR=DCPS$SMB /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE) >   /SEPARATE=(FLAG) >  [...]eP > So I want to let users opt out of flag pages - if they're willing to  take theP > additional risk that their document will get mixed up with somebody else's, toO > let them do it.  But I want flag pages to be the default, because they're (toi  > me) obviously the Right Thing.  > Quick answer:  Use /DEFAULT=FLAG=ONE instead of /SEPARATE=FLAG  
 Background...   I There are two kinds of flag pages available with VMS print queues.  Thesei' are job flag pages and file flag pages.o  G The job flag pages appear in front of every print job and are requested B with the /SEPARATE=FLAG qualifier on the print queue.  The user is powerless to suppress these.  D The file flag pages can appear in front of each file in a particular? print job.  The queue can specify a default (/DEFAULT=FLAG=ONE, & /DEFAULT=FLAG=ALL or /DEFAULT=NOFLAG).  C Note: /DEFAULT=FLAG is equivalent to /DEFAULT=FLAG=ALL.  If you are:E trying to emulate /SEPARATE=FLAG, /DEFAULT=FLAG=ONE is what you want.-  B The user can explicitly specify a flag page setting that overrides> the queue default.  This is done by using the /FLAG or /NOFLAG? qualifier on the PRINT command.  This is a positional qualifierEB and can apply individually to each file in a multi-file print job.  B Note:  The contents of a file flag page and of a job flag page are@ subtly different.  If you look closely, you'll see that the fileF flag page contains information about a particular print file.  The job+ flag page has no file-specific information..  C The same logic applies to the /TRAILER and /BURST pages that can benG specified as unoverrideable settings at the job level or as defaultablee$ per-file settings at the file level.  C In forest-killing mode, you could have a job flag page, a job bursts@ page, a file flag page, a file burst page, an actual print file,@ a file trailer page and a job trailer page.  This is in additionA to any /SETUP or /PAGE_SETUP modules associated with the form ands> any /SEPARATE=RESET modules associated with the queue.  To use? any more paper than that you need to get into the area of printc symbiont modifications.o   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:16:12 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>aM Subject: Re: Size of the comp.os.vms readership ? , was: RE: OpenVMS webring:F* Message-ID: <ahoq5r$65u$1@web1.cup.hp.com>   Kerry,  K I think readership is very large from comp.os.vms.  You may ask why I think 7 that.  Sue why do you think that the readship is large.o  L Well Kerry I think it is large, because if I mention that there is some kindL of VMS giveaway and folks should just send me mail.  I hear from hundreds of people and all of them nice.  D Ken Farmer, this might be a cool question for an openvms.org survey.  
 Warm Regards,t Sueh  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF40266087B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Simon,  > Boy, I was just thinking about this yesterday as well - what a co-incidence..  D Imho, comp.os.vms is one of the great aspects of OpenVMS i.e.. many,F many experienced vendor, system and application readers that typically? have multi-platform backgrounds and a great deal of experience.e  ? Heck, even the competition feels a burning need to participate.:   :-)2  * Also, looking forward to reader estimates.   Regardsy  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant4 Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesp Voice: 613-592-4660i Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message----- From: Simon Clubleyo5 [mailto:clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP]e Sent: July 23, 2002 2:58 PMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc@ Subject: Size of the comp.os.vms readership ? , was: RE: OpenVMS webring:    
 In articleG <BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4901479EF6@rlghncst964.usps.gov>, "Webb, 6 William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> writes: >t( > Why is it that posting before millions$ > that you're having trouble finding- > something/someone is the final prerequisitel > to finding something/someone?  >a  G Millions ? Nice dream about the size of the online VMS user base, but Ir don'tn think so sadly... :-)   B I would be interested in guesses about the size of the comp.os.vms
 readershipF however. Obviously, with Usenet been Usenet, you can't put an accurate figure> on the number of readers, but there are a couple of sources of informationnE to allow you to make a guess for the ratio between posters and peoplee whon only read the group.  : 1) Mark Berryman knows how many are subscribed via E-Mail.  G 2) Large sites with local news servers will have statistics on how manytH people access comp.os.vms and they will know how many of their collegues actually post.  @ So, does anybody want to have a go at estimating the size of the comp.os.vmsf readership ?   Simon.   --; Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:05:01 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>eM Subject: Re: Size of the comp.os.vms readership ? , was: RE: OpenVMS webring:<$ Message-ID: <3d4021dd$1@news.si.com>  D >comp.os.vms is certainly a very active newsgroup. Actual readership  >would be difficult to quantify.  K Mark Berryman can, however, establish a reasonable minimum readership.  Thee3 number of subscribers to Info-VAX gives this value.o --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 25 JUL 2002 16:00:24 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)4 Subject: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid6 Message-ID: <25JUL02.16002420@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  C If it were near April 1st I'd have snickered at this. No joke - NoweH people are producing hardware to overcome security flaws in software. No' thanks, I'll use MOUNT/NOWRITE instead:    --+ <http://news.com.com/2100-1001-946083.html>n  # NEW HARD DRIVE STRIVES FOR SECURITYh> In an attempt to provide increased security for Web sites, theE Tokyo-based company Scarabs has developed a prototype hard drive withiC two heads, one a read-write head and the other a read-only head. In @ practice, the device would only allow a Web server access to theF read-only head, eliminating the possibility that a hacker could defaceD or modify data. A separate computer could use the read-write head to= update the data on the hard drive. Because the heads functiondF independently, there is no synchronous control between them, according@ to the company. An analyst at Gartner said that although it doesA nothing to prevent hackers from accessing information, the systemeA provides a good means to guard the integrity of a site's content.w CNET, 14 July 2002   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madisono9 --                      karcher.nospam@waisman.wisc.edu  a   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:36:20 +0100 (MET).9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 8 Subject: Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid; Message-ID: <01KKIUMQ675Y96Y2PR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>y  E > If it were near April 1st I'd have snickered at this. No joke - Now4J > people are producing hardware to overcome security flaws in software. No* > thanks, I'll use MOUNT/NOWRITE instead:  > 1 > -- <http://news.com.com/2100-1001-946083.html> o > H > NEW HARD DRIVE STRIVES FOR SECURITY In an attempt to provide increasedI > security for Web sites, the Tokyo-based company Scarabs has developed aeJ > prototype hard drive with two heads, one a read-write head and the other > a read-only head.   B I had a chuckle myself at first, but of course MOUNT/NOWRITE will A disallow writing by everyone, whereas presumably this newfangled aB thingamabob will allow the Trusted User to use the write head and I non-trusted things, like the web server, can use the read-only head.  Of nG course, with any real operating system the same effect can be achieved LI by not giving the web-server account write access to the files (assuming l& that being hacked is an issue at all).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:35:29 -0400a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>8 Subject: RE: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid- Message-ID: <0033000073975462000002L022*@MHS>A  / =0ASounds as if this will work really well withL+ that write-only memory I bought at the lastF computer fair....b   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETt% Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:29 PMCB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET4 Subject: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid    C If it were near April 1st I'd have snickered at this. No joke - NoweH people are producing hardware to overcome security flaws in software. N= oi' thanks, I'll use MOUNT/NOWRITE instead:u   --+ <http://news.com.com/2100-1001-946083.html>0  # NEW HARD DRIVE STRIVES FOR SECURITYo> In an attempt to provide increased security for Web sites, theE Tokyo-based company Scarabs has developed a prototype hard drive with$C two heads, one a read-write head and the other a read-only head. InE@ practice, the device would only allow a Web server access to theF read-only head, eliminating the possibility that a hacker could defaceD or modify data. A separate computer could use the read-write head to= update the data on the hard drive. Because the heads functionEF independently, there is no synchronous control between them, according@ to the company. An analyst at Gartner said that although it doesA nothing to prevent hackers from accessing information, the systemUA provides a good means to guard the integrity of a site's content.t CNET, 14 July 2002   --H -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison=  8 --                      karcher.nospam@waisman.wisc.edu=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:33:35 -0700o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>C8 Subject: RE: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEEGFHAA.tom@kednos.com>   H The IBM 3390(?) had two independent heads, but I don't think it was ever used that way.   >-----Original Message-----dA >From: Phillip Helbig [mailto:HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com]d' >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:36 AMr >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com9 >Subject: Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaidh >  >tF >> If it were near April 1st I'd have snickered at this. No joke - NowK >> people are producing hardware to overcome security flaws in software. Noi* >> thanks, I'll use MOUNT/NOWRITE instead: >>1 >> -- <http://news.com.com/2100-1001-946083.html>e >>I >> NEW HARD DRIVE STRIVES FOR SECURITY In an attempt to provide increasedkJ >> security for Web sites, the Tokyo-based company Scarabs has developed aK >> prototype hard drive with two heads, one a read-write head and the other7 >> a read-only head. >lB >I had a chuckle myself at first, but of course MOUNT/NOWRITE willA >disallow writing by everyone, whereas presumably this newfangled2B >thingamabob will allow the Trusted User to use the write head andI >non-trusted things, like the web server, can use the read-only head.  OfLG >course, with any real operating system the same effect can be achieved>I >by not giving the web-server account write access to the files (assumingi' >that being hacked is an issue at all).e >m >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.o; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).aA >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002  >e --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:45:29 -0400s From: William_Bochnik@acml.com8 Subject: RE: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid> Message-ID: <OF04DBA111.0F204D95-ON85256C01.006181D9@acml.com>  > you gotta tell me where you got that.  My NL: device filled up# the other day and I need a new one.C    n                                                                                                               n                       WILLIAM WEBB                                                                            n                       <WWEBB1@email.us                To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@SMTP@SCB                     n                       ps.gov>                         cc:                                                     n                                                Subject: RE: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid       n                       07/25/2002 01:35                                                                        n                       PM                                                                                      n                       Please respond                                                                          n                       to WILLIAM WEBB                                                                         n                       <WWEBB1@email.us                                                                        n                       ps.gov>                                                                                 n                                                                                                               n                                                                                                                       , Sounds as if this will work really well with+ that write-only memory I bought at the lastr computer fair....V   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETn% Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:29 PM 9 To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com atr INTERNET4 Subject: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid    ? If it were near April 1st I'd have snickered at this. No joke -d Nowc; people are producing hardware to overcome security flaws inE software. No' thanks, I'll use MOUNT/NOWRITE instead:e   --+ <http://news.com.com/2100-1001-946083.html>e  # NEW HARD DRIVE STRIVES FOR SECURITY > In an attempt to provide increased security for Web sites, the@ Tokyo-based company Scarabs has developed a prototype hard drive with@ two heads, one a read-write head and the other a read-only head. In@ practice, the device would only allow a Web server access to the? read-only head, eliminating the possibility that a hacker couldn defaceA or modify data. A separate computer could use the read-write head  to= update the data on the hard drive. Because the heads functionu< independently, there is no synchronous control between them,	 accordingh@ to the company. An analyst at Gartner said that although it doesA nothing to prevent hackers from accessing information, the system A provides a good means to guard the integrity of a site's content.s CNET, 14 July 2002   --< -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center,
 UW-Madison7 --                      karcher.nospam@waisman.wisc.edu-               The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended only for theo use of the person(s) named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this.{ message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictlye prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:58:13 GMTF+ From: "Mike Kier" <michael.kier@compaq.com> 8 Subject: Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid2 Message-ID: <V_W%8.33$zJ7.638104@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Two independent systems accessing the same physical media and file system?D Sounds like somebody is going to need a... Distributed Lock Manager!  ' I know a system that has a good one :-)b   --	 Mike Kier $ HP Consulting & Integration Services Cincinnati, OH, USAe michael.kier@hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:29:24 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: Vax Emulators8 Message-ID: <nsgvjuov58fue37los1lfqtfk7q4urq4dh@4ax.com>  2 On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:42:39 +0200, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:o  . >See hobbyist CHARON-VAX at www.softresint.com  9 Unfortunately if you click on their hobbies link it says:   D "There are no hobbyist VAX emulator versions available at this point	 in time."n  F That's what he was running and it has expired. However, as others haveB pointed out there is also "simh" and ts10 emulators. You should beD able to run hobbiest license on these but they are not 100% debugged yet.   Search Result 5 1 From: sword7@speakeasy.org (sword7@speakeasy.org)g/ Subject: Re: VAX/VMS emulator or free version? s Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsA6 View: Complete Thread (10 articles) | Original Format  Date: 2002-03-21 16:52:45 PST   l  > Malcolm MacArthur <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:L > A guy called Tim Stark has been working on a PDP-10 and VAX emulator. Last > post I saw from him here,sO > he had just about got it to boot VMS. But it is still a work-in-progress. SeeT' > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ts10.f  A Yeah.  That is me.  Latest updates are available to my ftp site - @ ftp://ftp.firesword7.net/pub/ts10/develop and get latest one.  IB still am working on it with DELQA emulation.  Now I am able telnetC and ftp into my TS10 emulator through DELQA emulation but DELQA has  someE problems with interrupt issue or lag time.  Also, I was able downloadg@ a 1.4 MB file from TS10 emulator at 250 to 500 kbps depending on
 processor $ speed.  That is much like DSL speed.  D Also, there is another VAX emulator called Bob's simh emulator.  For5 more information, check http://simh.trailing-edge.comc   -- Tim Stark       >D.  >J >D'ertie Sanchez wrote:- >> -/ >> Dear Jim'll, Comunity, Sensais and Shenobis,0 >>  E >> As a young grass hopper I have recently discovered the delights ofz >> OpenVMS..G >> I am/Was running 7.3 on a Pico vax emulator but sadly the time limit$H >> has run out...... You may be thinking all good things must come to anI >> end.... but I am of the understanding that someone out there has a waya1 >> of overcoming such date limitation techniques!  >> sG >> As I am a mere student in the sacred art of DCL, fighting to achievejE >> my Orange belt, any tips or hints as to where such date delimiting.F >> software may be found or the location of a date un-limited emulatorG >> that I could run OpenVms on would be of great use, as I hope one days$ >> to reach the grade of Second DAN!   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 08:09:02 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c Subject: Re: Vax Emulators3 Message-ID: <kf3sUdVrPxO4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <3D3F8FCF.88AE961D@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes: / > See hobbyist CHARON-VAX at www.softresint.come >   B    Pico-VAX was pulled after a hack on thier time limit scheme wasG    placed on the net.  Somebidy just had to go and ruin it for everyonei    else.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:27:35 -04003; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> < Subject: Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient.$ Message-ID: <3d402726$1@news.si.com>  I >Sadly, I don't believe there is a hobbyist license. (Unless anyone knowsz	 >better).m  ; Be that as it may, MX V4.2 is still freeware and very good.c -- BA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.combA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comh= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventb< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:53:41 +0200y9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> < Subject: Re: VMS Mail problems Internal/External receipient.' Message-ID: <3D402D15.D6369805@aaa.com>    Brian Tillman wrote: > K > >Sadly, I don't believe there is a hobbyist license. (Unless anyone knowse > >better).t > = > Be that as it may, MX V4.2 is still freeware and very good.    And it can be found here :  7 http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?MXe   Jan-Erik Sderholm.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:12:35 -0400 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>E Subject: RE: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/f- Message-ID: <0033000073949646000002L062*@MHS>c  0 =0AYou only *think* you're limited to 1000 jobs.  - There was a discussion of entry numbers where-& Hoff explained things most succinctly.  & Unwrap the URL and find enlightenment.  H http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-8&frame=3Dright&= th=3Df20e789f13750f @ 4b&seekm=3D8it8kb%24306%241%40mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com#link15   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETl& Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:59 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETE Subject: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batc      Hi,e  C I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generate D numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsF from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveB more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I have two  entry no. 1s ?   Appreciate any feedback.   Thanks Andrew=m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:29:16 -0400d1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>0E Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/i2 Message-ID: <3D40194C.30FA6A1C@firstdbasource.com>   WILLIAM WEBB wrote:e > / > You only *think* you're limited to 1000 jobs.N > / > There was a discussion of entry numbers where1( > Hoff explained things most succinctly. > ( > Unwrap the URL and find enlightenment. >  --testing commented long url > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=f20e789f13750f4b&seekm=8it8kb%24306%241%40mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com#link15 -- h Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comiE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlo/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)l   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 07:59:33 -07006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)M Subject: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?o< Message-ID: <58ba0101.0207250659.939a225@posting.google.com>   Hi,m  C I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generate D numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsF from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveB more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I have two  entry no. 1s ?   Appreciate any feedback.   Thanks Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:03:44 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>mQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ? ' Message-ID: <3D401350.269AE228@aaa.com>h  6 It then automaticly start with a larger range, such as< 1-2999, and then even larger as 1-4999. I run a test a whileB ago where I created > queue 100.000 entries and it was no problem.  F The queue manager database file gets a bit large, and the entry numberA display in SHOW QUEUE whent to "******", but otherwise all keeped  on running.i   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Andrew Rycroft wrote:d >  > Hi,a > E > I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generatenF > numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsH > from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveD > more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I > have two  entry no. 1s ? >  > Appreciate any feedback. >  > Thanks > Andrew   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 02 08:24:05 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.comdQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?S( Message-ID: <A3Jsssa3ACQD@cpva.saic.com>  < In article <58ba0101.0207250659.939a225@posting.google.com>,9  andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) writes:X > Hi,t > E > I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generatebF > numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsH > from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveD > more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I > have two  entry no. 1s ? >  > Appreciate any feedback. >  > Thanks > Andrew  7 	The queue manager will increase the entry number range 7 	to accomodate your needs. The first increase will givep8 	you a range of 1-1999. It does not automatically shrink4 	the range back to the original if your requirements 	decrease however.   -- - - Jime   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:21:25 +0000 (UTC)e From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?e+ Message-ID: <ahp51l$4u3$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   u In article <58ba0101.0207250659.939a225@posting.google.com>, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) writes:n >Hi, >cD >I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generateE >numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runs G >from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you have C >more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can Im >have two  entry no. 1s ?- >  >Appreciate any feedback.o >m >Thanksw >Andrew   M If you have that many concurrent print and batch jobs then it will create job  1000, 1001 etcL I believe the entryno is a 32bit number so it can grow much much larger than this if necessary.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:30:29 +0200l9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>v7 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem:' Message-ID: <3D3FB725.5F26C09D@aaa.com>e  9 Well, you can try to connect to the SQS server "by hand". : This is from my system. Rdb and SQS was just installed and( nothing "configured" after the install :   $ @sys$startup:sqlsrv$startup71f% Installing Oracle SQL/Services imagesOD %REGISTER-I-DUP SQLSRV_PRVSHR71, (SQLSRV_PRVSHR, V7.1-52) already in registry< %REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 1 Starting Oracle SQL/Services Server started $  $  $ mc sqlsrv_manage71 SQLSRV> connect server;r Connecting to server ...	 Connectedi SQLSRV> show server;     Server Version:      7.1.     Server Platform:     Digital OpenVMS Alpha      Max Shared Mem Size: 2000 KbG     Config file:         SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]SQLSRV_CONFIG_FILE71.DAT;1o%     Log path:            SYS$MANAGER:d%     Dump path:           SYS$MANAGER:      Proc start time:     <none>d     Proc shut time:      <none>e@     Network Ports:                                     (State)  
 (Protocol)G       DECnet  object   SQLSRV_SERVER                   Running   NativesG       TCP/IP  port     2199                            Running   Natived      Current shared memory usage:'       Allocation unit:      65536 bytesi3       Total memory:       2031616 bytes ( 31 units) 3       Free memory:        1835008 bytes ( 28 units)A3       Partly allocated:    131072 bytes (  2 units)o     Log File:           3 SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]SQS_NPBCG1_SQLSRV_MON_0071.LOG;-F     Dump File:           SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]SQS_NPBCG1_SQLSRV_71.DMP;   SQLSRV> show service;RG                                C l i e n t s          E x e c u t o r sFH Name            State    Per-Exec     Max   Active    Min    Max RunningH OCI_SAMPLE      INACTIVE        1      10        0      1     10       0H RMU_SERVICE     RUNNING         1     100        0      4    100       4H GENERIC         RUNNING         1      10        0      2     10       2H SQLSRV_MANAGE   RUNNING       100       0        1      0      0       0 SQLSRV>   	 Jan-Erik.W   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.407 ************************