1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 408       Contents:+ ALPHA  sysman io equivalent for VAX system. / Re: ALPHA  sysman io equivalent for VAX system. , Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS Re: burst of CI errors. Help.  Re: burst of CI errors. Help.  Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?  Re: Corporate email directories  Re: Corporate email directories & DS20E on-board SCSI, supported on VMS?' FW: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow 6 Re: HOw to find number of processor and CPU model name/ Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? @ Re: HowTo delete a remote file via FTP without user interaction?@ Re: HowTo delete a remote file via FTP without user interaction?0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 Re: IOS 12.1.14 and DECnet Phase IV vs V problem0 Re: IOS 12.1.14 and DECnet Phase IV vs V problem+ Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks $ Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?+ Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow ' Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow + Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow! + Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow! + Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!  Re: Perl Modules Re: Perl Modules Re: printer status question 4 Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered). Timing of advertising / Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid / Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid I Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine I Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine I Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine  VMS training restarts  Re: VMS training restarts H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?. Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem. Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:20:47 +1000 + From: "Barker, Joe L" <BarkerJL@az1.BP.COM> 4 Subject: ALPHA  sysman io equivalent for VAX system.L Message-ID: <BD58955D9312D311B45000805FFE424905DCD470@azmelx2.mel.az.bp.com>   Hi all,   E What is the equivalant of the command (on an alpha)   $ mc sysman> io ! autoconfig /log for a VAX system.    Thanks in advance.   Joe.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:15:31 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 8 Subject: Re: ALPHA  sysman io equivalent for VAX system.' Message-ID: <3D40A744.BA7F1BD1@fsi.net>    "Barker, Joe L" wrote: > 	 > Hi all,  > G > What is the equivalant of the command (on an alpha)   $ mc sysman> io # > autoconfig /log for a VAX system.   * Dunno if you're looking for the /LOG, but:   On VAX:  $ MC SYSGEN AUTOCONFIG ALL  	 On Alpha:  $ MC SYSMAN IO AUTOCON   On both, follow with:  $ @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP CONFIG   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:32:23 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: any whitepapers on Oracle 9i for OpenVMS & Message-ID: <3D405247.6090001@home.nl>  K I'm sorry that it took a bit longer then I wanted, but here are the Oracle  - logicals: ORA_BEQ_MBXSIZ and ORA_BEQ_MBXBFQ .   K On Oracle setting these logicals has the same effect as setting the sysgen  O parameters DEFMBXMXMSG and DEFMBXBUFQUO. According to the sysgen help file the  P maximum value for these parameters is 64000, however I have seen mailboxes with Q a size of 65535 bytes. That makes it more likely that the maximum value is 65535  K for the sysgen parameters as well as for the Oracle logicals. The standard  % Oracle settings seem to be 2048 byte.   P We have seen performance increases of 30% after setting these logicals, however L it greatly depends on your application. If Oracle only puts 100 byte in its Q standard 2048 byte mailbox, then increasing the mailbox size to 65535 byte won't  P help obviously. However if the database wants to transmit a 1 Megabyte chunk of N data, then the result will be that the number of mailboxes used is reduced to P about 3% of the previous number. And that means significantly less QIO overhead  for Oracle.   K Don't forget to look at the Bytlm quota of the account that is used to run  K Oracle ! You should increase it dramatically too, you could try a value of  P 512000 to start with. After all it is only a maximum, and Oracle will take what 	 it needs.    Regards,   Dirk             Lyndon Bartels wrote:  > Dirk Munk wrote: > O >>There is one or maybe two Oracle logicals you have to set. I will have a look I >>monday at work which logicals they are. Oracle uses the default mailbox 8 >>parameters from sysgen, unless these logicals are set. >>O >>The sysgen mailbox parameters are dynamic, so you can change them on-line and R >>see what happens after you restart Oracle if that is an option. However when youK >>change the values in sysgen, other processes may run out of their quota !  >> >>Try this:  >> >>$mc sysgen >>sysgen>sho defmbx  >>sysgen>help sys_para! >>Sys_Parameters Subtopic? defmbx  >> >  > . > I'd like to hear about these logicals too... >  >  > Lyndon >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:14:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: burst of CI errors. Help.- Message-ID: <87y9bzmjlj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com writes:   0 > In article <3D3F2B99.710C3852@pressenter.com>,3 >  Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:   - > > I've run across a puzzling set of errors.   D > > How can I test a specific path in CI, from one point to another?  B > How many ports? 8, 16, 32? I think that the ports are grouped onB > hubs with increments of 8 ports. Swapping cables from one hub toD > another (unless you've only got 8 ports) might help isolate a starF > coupler problem. Perhaps someone else will confirm (refute?) this...   4 > > Has anybody heard of the Star Coupler going bad?  @ Yes, but they had to set fire to the room to do it. And it still was working, just...  C > Yes, twice, in 15 years with hundreds of star couplers. It's very F > rare. In each incident a path failed completely (not intermittenly).  C CIs seem to like logging errors in bursts like that. One thing they @ do not like is being earthed. This is a new set up? Well go overE every inch of cable looking for anywhere the sheilds could earth out. F Also make sure the SC-08s are not shorted to the cab, and that all the terminators are done up fully.  E The fact that both controllers had it seems odd for a CI problem, are B you sure you are not being done over by cleaners, interference, or any of those sorts of events?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:14:50 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>& Subject: Re: burst of CI errors. Help.. Message-ID: <3D407859.7F6A432D@pressenter.com>  C This system is an established cluster. Been set up for over a year.   G The data center is an unmanned one, though people do go in it from time  to time.  G Right now, I'm hoping to have the "burst" happen again, so I can try to F establish a pattern... If I can establish a pattern, maybe I can rig aB trigger... If I can rig a trigger, I can start swapping out parts.     Keep the ideas coming....      --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:03:17 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?' Message-ID: <3D40A465.2212E363@fsi.net>    John Forkosh wrote:  > . > Someone wanted to borrow my VAX hobbyist cd,. > which I won't let out of my sight.  Instead,* > I offered to sell him a VAX/VMS bootable+ > RZ disk with an image backup of my system * > (along with the cd's [kits] directories,, > etc, but without my licenses), for a small0 > fee.  Then I realized that might not be legal./ > The cd itself has no copyright printed on it, 1 > though I'm sure it must be copyrighted somehow.   G Well, I couldn't say about the disc itself, but the contents are almost  certainly protected.  H I wonder how kosher it would be to install to a disc drive and then sendD that disc out to the recipient, provided the recipient then gets the appropriate hobby licenses...   , > What's the (legal) story about doing this?  E Well, nothing official but here, but I'd have no qualms about lending F mine out, especially if happened to have two of them or a CD-R copy as1 protection against the original becoming damaged.   , >      Also, what's the story about Montagar* > selling the VAX hobbyist cd again?  That& > would solve the problem most easily.  B Perhaps some news will be forthcoming in St. Louis (don't know yet whether I'll be there or not).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:03:41 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> ( Subject: Re: Corporate email directories0 Message-ID: <ahpehu$f44$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   N > With VMS now out of the corporate email business, an area it used to be veryJ > present in, what do corporations use now to provide corporate routing of3 > inbound emails to the right departmental server ?  > N > For instance, if I send an email to Carly.Fiorina@hp.com , how does the SMTPN > server at hp.com get to know how to route the email to whatever departmental* > server where Carly's emails are stored ? > B > Would corporations tend to use one gateway from internet to someI > internal/oproprietary system such as Exchange, or would they have their M > corporate backbone as SMTP servers that deliver to proprietary departmental  > servers ?  >     A It depends, Sun for example does not use Exchange at all for some @ inexplicable reason. We use SMTP with IMAP servers in each major office.   5 The bank I advise uses SMTP and Notes hosted on UNIX.   @ You mentioned directory, we use a global LDAP directory for mail
 addresses.  ? The byproduct of using IMAP/LDAP is that people are pretty much B free to use whatever mail client they like. Inside Sun's corporateB network on Sun desktops and other clients most people use netscape? 6.x.x or Mozilla but some still use dtmail (part of CDE). I use C both netscape 6.x.x and Evolution which looks scarily like Outlook.   = On problem is that people are increasingly mobile, working on = customer sites etc, many people have digital exchanges so the < provision of dialup analogue lines is an issue if we need to access our mail.  B So we also have a Portal called sun.net http://sun.net if you want: to see the login banner. Don't bother trying to get in. We> have a Java/JavaScript/HTML IMAP client that we can use in any? browser that supports Java and Javascript from any access point ! for security it impliments a VPN.   @ Apart from mail it also provides an internal directory, calendar; and a number of other web based apps which also work inside 
 the firewall.   > This is usefull if I am at a customers site where they have an, internet or in an internet cafe for example.  B We have IMAP servers co-located with the servers that host peoplesB home directories, generally one per office, we have a central LDAPG directory for EMEA. This is centrally managed for all user information.       I > Do current email systems provide for easy management of a central email O > directory which allows first.last@company.com to be routed to the right dept. 
 > server ? >     H It depends on the directory, my experience is with the iPlanet directoryC which is easy to manage and scalable, you can have multiple masters  and LDAP proxies it you want.     K > In the sepcific case of hp and compaq (and digital), were the 2 companies K > using the same corporate backbones that were easy to merge, or was that a  > monumental task ?  >     B I cannot comment on the technology, they did however use differentD naming conventions which in itself isn't a trivial issue to resolve.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 18:00:29 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)( Subject: Re: Corporate email directories= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207251700.6092c059@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D3F8454.6478B964@videotron.ca>... N > With VMS now out of the corporate email business, an area it used to be veryJ > present in, what do corporations use now to provide corporate routing of3 > inbound emails to the right departmental server ?  > N > For instance, if I send an email to Carly.Fiorina@hp.com , how does the SMTPN > server at hp.com get to know how to route the email to whatever departmental* > server where Carly's emails are stored ? > B > Would corporations tend to use one gateway from internet to someI > internal/oproprietary system such as Exchange, or would they have their M > corporate backbone as SMTP servers that deliver to proprietary departmental  > servers ?  > I > Do current email systems provide for easy management of a central email O > directory which allows first.last@company.com to be routed to the right dept. 
 > server ? >   G TCPware smtp does just fine and allows you to foward remote mail, local C mail, create mail gateways, create smtp to decnet gateways and vice H versa, and if you need virus scan, just run pmdf with sophos anti virus.G As for maintain forwarding, you can do that with a simple program, when E an employee is added, your program can either parse a setup file with G the new info or run the appropriate dcl or foreign command to setup the F user ... very simple and easy to write code to do this right from yourC employee maintenance program, and it even automates the creation of  the vms mail account.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 17:10:15 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) / Subject: DS20E on-board SCSI, supported on VMS? - Message-ID: <7S6xTlWUUT8Q@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   3  I recently got a DS20E system. I notice that there 2 are 2 on-board SCSI adapters in the box, which are0 visible at the console level and to VMS ( ie PKA3 and PKB ). The quickspecs on the HP website doesn't , say anything about the DS20E having on-board9 SCSI - it just says you can add LVD Ultra3 SCSI adapters. 3 They appear to be an Adaptec 7895 chip, same as the 4 Adaptec 3940 - so they're Ultra SCSI (40MB/sec), not Ultra3.   3   A Google search shows this subject came up a year 3 or two ago, but at that time the SRM console didn't / recognize the adapters - that's apparently been  corrected now.  7  Being adventurous ( and this being a test bed system ) 3 I plugged the system disk into the on-board adapteru2 A. I was able to boot VMS (7.2-2) and a quick look+ around suggests everything is working fine.s  :  Are these on-board adapters officially supported by VMS? 4 I realize they won't give full-speed performance on 6 Ultra-3 drives, but if I'm only using Ultra SCSI disks2 (on one channel) and running a bulkhead out to the7 back of the case for a tape drive on the other channel,M+ is there any reason not to use these ports?   M =============================================================================vB Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnettE                                                      Host: mala.bc.capH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)740-6297    t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:43:39 -0700o1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>a0 Subject: FW: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - RoadshowO Message-ID: <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C23163606@ny_exchange1.maintech1.com>    > Sue, >=20I > Will there be any of these in the NYC area?  It would be most welcome =  here > (and I think it would help). >=20 > Mike Farrell >=20 > -----Original Message-----: > From:	Sue Skonetski [SMTP:susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com]' > Sent:	Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:04 PMS > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm2 > Subject:	Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow >=20G > Just so folks know dates are being added as soon as I get updates I =  will > post.  >=20 > sueS >=20B > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:ahp6m0$9a5$1@web1.cup.hp.com...C > > There was a very cool banner that said With OpenVMS there is noE > question.eD > > I recevied an invitation and checked to see if it was open for = everyone > to > > register and they said yes.M > >e > > Warm Regards,s > >  > > SueM > >e > >I > >m > >a > > I > > The registration web site is now open for OpenVMS comes to Itanium, =  the.4 > > Summer 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector. > >p& > > www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour > >e' > > =B7 Raleigh, NC - Thursday, July 18  > >s& > > =B7 Chicago, IL - Tuesday, July 23 > >e( > > =B7 Columbus, OH - Thursday, July 25 > > % > > =B7 Boston, MA - Tuesday, July 30d > > ) > > =B7 Nashville, TN - Tuesday, August 6d > > ) > > =B7 Houston, TX - Thursday, August 15$ > >i' > > =B7 Denver, CO - Tuesday, August 20B > >S( > > =B7 Seattle, WA - Tuesday, August 27 > >t > >  > >s > >f > >M > > Mark Langfordh > >$$ > > BCS Business Development Manager > >g > > U.S. Public Sector Sales > >t > > the new HP > >w) > > voice 281.518.2668 . fax 281.926.1162a > >o > >  > >H >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:19:07 -0400p1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>-? Subject: Re: HOw to find number of processor and CPU model name12 Message-ID: <3D40876B.C3663307@firstdbasource.com>   Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote: >  > Hi,r > M > Is there any system call by which I would know the number of processors andb. > processor name on OpenVMS VAX/ALPHA systems. >  > Thanks	 > Sandeep      Sandeep,  / Learn the DCL command HELP.  It really works.  i	 help show    help lex   help lex f$getsyi arg-   or if you really like to type:   help lexical f$getsyi arguments   F notice, that in VMS you don't need to type the complete word for it to work..  	 Examples: + $ write sys$output f$getsyi("AVAILCPU_CNT")L 1r+ $ write sys$output f$getsyi("HW_MODEL")    a 1059& $ write sys$output f$getsyi("HW_NAME") AlphaServer 2100 4/200   or just use:  
 $ show cpu  ALPHA1, a AlphaServer 2100 4/200H Multiprocessing is DISABLED. Uniprocessing synchronization image loaded.0 Minimum multiprocessing revision levels: CPU = 1   PRIMARY CPU = 00	 CPU sets:D    Active         00    Configure      00    Potential      00    Autostart      00    Failover       None  B See the openvms FAQ which can be found at: www.openvms.compaq.com    -- 2 Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163.7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comhE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlA/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)s   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 15:39:30 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?3 Message-ID: <evsfvdE$TIBW@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  W In article <uk0acembol60b6@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:s  I > I once had a programmer come to me and say "I need more privileges!  My21 > program keeps failing with 'access violation'".   C Precisely the indicator the programmer should _not_ get privileges.a  H I have often felt that getting privileges should involve passing a test.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:39:02 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D406FF0.8EAAF18A@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:K > > I once had a programmer come to me and say "I need more privileges!  Myt3 > > program keeps failing with 'access violation'".  > E > Precisely the indicator the programmer should _not_ get privileges.   L Wait a minute... what if the programmer has a sense of humour and just wantsF an excuse to bug you ? Lets say she is very nice looking, wouldn't you$ appreciate getting visits from her ?  K I've been know to start conversations with support people (I needed to talk>E to) by stating that I had entered my command and nothing had happened C (expecting the "did you press return at the end of the line ?"....)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:54:37 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?' Message-ID: <3D40A25B.E5781FBC@fsi.net>i   JF Mezei wrote:r >  > "antonio.carlini" wrote:C > > Unless you can find a reason that your developers really *need*dE > > privs, they should not have them. Give them test machines to play  > > on.d > O > Hence the need for low cost VMS machines. When Digital/Compaq decided to dropmK > efforts to make VMS available on low cost platforms, they made VMS a lesslP > attractive platform to develop software on. Many shops have had to consolidateD > development or just decide to develop new apps on other platforms.  G There's that AFFORDABLE thing *AGAIN* !!! *DAMN*!!! There's just no ways around this critter, is there?  H ...and even if developers could afford their systems, what about the endE users? If you have to be a developer to get an affordable system, whys8 bother hiring another developer to develop your systems?  B ...and if end-users can't afford the platform you develop for, why bother developing?  B Guess it takes a moron like me to understand all that. HPQ is justF chock-full of college grad.'s - they'll *NEVER* get it! It's hopeless!   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:17:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>k8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D40B145.724DF602@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:D > Guess it takes a moron like me to understand all that. HPQ is justH > chock-full of college grad.'s - they'll *NEVER* get it! It's hopeless!  K I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to fight. Let them do asn
 they wish.L We can watch how/what they do.  We can watch from the safety of lifeboats asN the VMS ship sinks or sails. But as long as uncertainty remains, lifeboats are$ safer than staying committed to VMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 07:53:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?- Message-ID: <873cu7nz45.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   . colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) writes:  E I have worked in an environment with a moderate, about 20, developers3C on a cluster that ran production as well :( No one had privs at all D except for the odd few that you needed to stay sane with ACMS et al.D In fact, I worked a weekend because there was no one on the team whoE had privs to seee what the system was doing, of do anything about it. A OPER was the main one that was needed for ACMS for some reason...   E > You've really all but hit the nail on the head.  The environment as D > a whole I find to be kludged and unorganized.  Production runs offF > of a disk (different sub-directory) that holds the development code.A > I've recently discovered object libraries referenced in command.B > procedures for LINKing that are in disusered account directoriesE > (past developers), etc.  The list is long.  There are so many hacks:F > and hard-coded directories in command procedures and executables, itC > would take some time to unwind, so I'm hesitant to move anything.cB > And I guess the biggest problem of all is that it's my sentimentE > that the existing system manager, technically, has the skillset and E > VMS understanding of an operator (at best).  Whenever we talk abouteC > privileges or access, he invariably has to look the privileges up D > because he really doesn't understand how they should be used.  So, > it's a rough situation.w   C > All in all, I'm all about giving least needed access.  One of themD > strengths of VMS is that using a combination of features (exactingC > privs, proper file prots., ACLs, rights-ids, etc.) you can reallyvF > fine-tune your security scheme.  In this case, it would take quite aE > bit of cleaning up to do so, and I would need some cooperation fromhE > the system manager to do.  But he sees himself "fully skilled," andpE > so, it's just rough.  But you so far of all the responses have comeiC > closest to the real situation.  If I *could*, I'd certainly scalerF > things down, re-org., and THEN most certainly the development staff,B > including myself could probably get by with few or no privileges, > whatsoever.  This is all user-mode code...   F > I am a bit surprised by the responses thus far though.  It seems theE > prevailing sentiments closely parallels the management here, and it E > just may be that because I have always had access to all privileges0C > and have used them quite extensively and know what they do that I_B > have a bit of a skewed perspective.  I've always viewed privs as6 > TOOLS, and not jewels that needed to be protected...  D I think you need to set a dead line, and to move all the developmentB into a clean environment. Get the apps to a stable point, and lock? them there while you migrate the sources, testing etc to a sanet@ environmet. Treat the move as a new point release and get it all! sweet, the re-start life again :)   ; How do they test stuff? Or is that a bit close to the bone?e  A I used to like testing on a nuked system, nothing but a new cleanlB install of the writen prerequisites on it. About half the time theB test would fail because something from the development machine wasC needed, but not shipped. Testing on the dev machine won't find thatp one.  @ If you are on a production machine, then yes, tighten it up. But> if it is a dev only box, then having peole able to run SDA and> pick up how things really work is a plus. I would line up with> you I think, but only AFTER the mess is cleaned up, and I knew/ who can be trusted to not shoot their foot off!   B Oh, a good code review is probably worth it too; you may well find' half the RTLs re-implemted in the code.      -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 14:03:44 -0400& From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)I Subject: Re: HowTo delete a remote file via FTP without user interaction? 1 Message-ID: <ahpei0$b38$1@watsol.cc.columbia.edu>t  = In article <75be4573.0207240007.6257f41f@posting.google.com>, + Geert Marttin <GMarttin@Hotmail.com> wrote:vH : I'm maintaining a (DEC Pascal) program that will download updates on aE : regular basis. The program consists of a loop within which it will:b> : - check if new files have been created on a remote directory) : - copy these files to a local directorys, : - delete the files on the remote directoryG : This worked fine with DecNet but in the future we'll be using FTP fore : this.o : E : The first two were easy to modify utilizing DIR/FTP and COPY/FTP inDH : command files which are 'called' from the program (using $CREPRC). ButH : I seem unable to find a (DCL) command that will delete files via FTP?!D : I am able to set up a FTP connection manually and delete the filesF : (with the FTP utility) but, well, that's not something my users want5 : to be bothered with/I want to bother my users with.e : 2 : Anybody have any idea how to automate this task? : F Gee, too bad C-Kermit's FTP module has not been ported to VMS, because it's perfect for this:  0   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ftpscripts.html  - With Kermit, it's done with a single command:u     mget /delete <filespec>n  B This means: get all the files whose names match the given filespecC pattern, and each time a file arrives successfully, tell the serverdG to delete the source file.  You can think of this as *moving* the files0H from the server to the client.  If a file can't be downloaded completely2 for any reason, it is not deleted from the server.  C By the way, you can do exactly the same if you use Kermit protocol,eD so if the FTP host can run C-Kermit, you could use Kermit instead of FTP and get the same effect:  -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html   . This topic is also covered in some depth here:  ,   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html   - Franka   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 17:34:01 -0700* From: GMarttin@Hotmail.com (Geert Marttin)I Subject: Re: HowTo delete a remote file via FTP without user interaction?v= Message-ID: <75be4573.0207251634.567324b4@posting.google.com>t   "Ren?Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> wrote in message news:<3d3e665c$0$33064$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>...A > You have to create a FTP-Commandfile and invoke FTP as follows:  > 4 > FTP hostname /USERNAME=username /PASSWORD=password > /INPUT=your_ftp_commandfilem > L > You can create this commandfile in your applicalion and delete it, soon as > the task is completed.  F First off: thanks to all who replied. I hadn't expected this much this fast.a   Rene,a  E The solution you proposed is the one I found almost immediately afterv- I posted and I'm almost done implementing it..  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D3EC534.4EF2FADC@videotron.ca>...r: > Or create the subprocess with a mailbox device as input.  A I am going to study JF Mezei's addendum. It's elegant. I'm unsurevC however if I: (1) can pull it off (2) will be allowed to spend moree time.n  + Thanks for your time; it's been a pleasure.n   Later...        Geert Marttin   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:58:23 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reportsH Message-ID: <zLY%8.78118$WsS.56447@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 Never said it would...but it's what should happen.  J If VMS can't compete, then prove it without first hog tying both hands and both feet behind its back.  H VMS hasn't had a fair marketing shake since GQ Palmer arrived in the CEO suite..y    F "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:3d401b24@news.si.com... > >The caveat:F > >HP gives the OpenVMS division free reign as to how they spend theirF > >marketing/advertising money, and that includes slamming any and allG > >unix/Linux/Windows products as appropriate (including HP-UX when andB wherev > >it deserves it).e >  > Yeah, like that'll happen. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com2C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com ? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventl> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >n >g   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:59:36 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report=K Message-ID: <IMY%8.199652$WJf1.166481@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>t   Thanks for the follow-up.     7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message.' news:0033000073928450000002L002*@MHS....  F "Webb, William W Raleigh, NC" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageE news:BA52530E3149734A9BAABDBBFA808E4901479EFD@rlghncst964.usps.gov..." > General impressions- > : > There's a new emphasis on VMS as an e-business solution. >0? > (This might be the justification for "breaking VMS out of the 0 > vertical niches" that we've been waiting for.)  A Was this explictily articulated or was it merely hinted at? As tooL non-ebusiness solutions, I would assume that those are solutions that remainL solely in-house rather than being exposed to the nasty old web? Why did that appear to downplayed?n  L      I don't understand your question.  The "new" emphasis on e-business wasH      presented as a change in direction from the strategic decision made=      to concentrate VMS on specific targeted market segments.o  K What are they really trying to position VMS systems as...db servers running I Oracle or Rdb for web apps, as web app servers, portal servers, somethings; else? Did they talk about expanding the 3rd-party app base?   E      The way this was discussed was very general- they didn't go into !      specific server deployments.   K      I did ask that, while they were expending resources to promote portingMJ      of applications to Itanium, they were also going to try to bring someI      applications that were "lost sheep" as far as VMS is concerned "back,5      into the fold" and the response was affirmative.u  6 > I was particularly surprised at the number of people. > who were *not* OpenVMS users who were there;  K That is a bit of a pleasant surprise. How well attended was the event? When B you say "*not* OpenVMS users", are you referring to individuals orG corporations represented? What percentage of the corporations/.edu/.govf> crowd attending do you think were not currently VMS customers?  >      I'd say there were about 75 people there- let me add thatF      this was targeted to the public sector- .govs and .edus, although&      there were some .com folks there.  G      (Michael A. and Ken F. - sorry y'all didn't make it.  I would havea+      liked to have met y'all face to face.)   C      I don't know about percentages.  They didn't exactly ask for ab       show of hands, as I recall.  4 > I can report that VMS Marketing people *do* exist-5 > the one with whom I spoke had a tech background ands > 4 > 1) was very happy with the changes that have taken > place since the merger.r  5 What changes did they refer to that we aren't seeing?   7      I can't be specific, but I'll use a colloquialism:k  7      More than one person from HP that was there was ofh7      the opinion that OpenVMS isn't going to be treated *      like a red-headed stepchild any more.  4      Perhaps somebody flashed a very large number in7      front of the right- what is it you Brits call 'em?H9      Exalted Personages? and that resulted in a change inc       their perception of the OS.  ,      But that's pure speculation on my part.  
       WWWebb=a   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 18:21:04 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reportt= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207251721.46fb5d06@posting.google.com>a  _ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3D3F577C.C461412@fsi.net>...s > Bob Ceculski wrote:B > > k > > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<ahmscj$eik$1@web1.cup.hp.com>...  > > C > > what I would like to know is why I still haven't been contacted9= > > by hp about this event?  If not for someone on this board-B > > posting it, I would along with some others I told never known! > J > I mentioned that to the folks who gave the show here in Chgo. yesterday.B > (Sorry, didn't file a report, so this post is in lieu there of.) > C > No brass, just "centurions" at best. Still, I made my case to Kimt3 > Leavitt, a marketing person from DEC days to now." >  > Essentially, I told her that:a > F > o "Commitment" has acquired a negative connotation, just as "legacy"G > once meant (loosely) that which is "hallowed" or "revered". HP shouldpF > avoid that term ("Commitment"), and instead back up their plans withJ > actions showing their dedication. Actions speak louder than words, after > all. > 8 > o As a big chunk of their VMS marketing, they need to: > 1. Advertise  > 2. Advertise in the mainstream* > 3. Advertise in the mainstream massively > F > However, I got the impression that while she shares our "pain", she,* > too, is limited by a myopic bureaucracy.  G that isn't the impression she gave me ... she told me some things aboutaE Carly and her understanding of vms, and that she wants it to succeed,nH and itanium I believe will calm down those feathers ... I also got a fewI hints about the alpha team goodies waiting to be sprung in chivano, rightiF around the time when vms port is fully complete ... you don't need bigI ads to effectively market a superior product, just a little word of moutheD sometimes does wonders, and 9/11 I heard sent a few unix accounts to% convert to vms, with more to come ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:44:17 +0200e From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>9 Subject: Re: IOS 12.1.14 and DECnet Phase IV vs V problemo& Message-ID: <3D405511.6070805@home.nl>   Hansang Bae wrote:A >>On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:00:55 +0100, EdL <edl@euronet.nl> wrote:d >>= >>>A problem has occurred after we updated a Cisco7500 routere >>" >>>from IOS 12.1.7 to IOS 12.1.14. > ) > [snip:  Decnet issues after an upgrade]  >  > N > There was one decnet bug where you had to hardcode the mac addresses on the M > interfaces.  I can't remember if your version was affected or not but it's j  > time to do a bug scrub on CCO. >  >   L We ran in to the same problem with a very recent version of IOS (don't know P which one, sorry). A few months ago we got all new big Cisco switches, with the M very latest verion of IOS. It turned out that the mac addresses of the ports aL that were doing Phase IV routing were not set to AA-00-04-00-aa-bb, as they 5 should have been. Cisco, the Microsoft in routers :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:23:05 +0100n From: EdL <edl@euronet.nl>9 Subject: Re: IOS 12.1.14 and DECnet Phase IV vs V problem + Message-ID: <B96638D9.17A29%edl@euronet.nl>b  ; in article 3D3EC7B1.55B65841@Mvb.Saic.Com, Mark Berryman at 5 Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com wrote on 24-07-2002 23:28:    > Alan Greig wrote:- >> -B >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:00:55 +0100, EdL <edl@euronet.nl> wrote: >> o >>> > >>> A problem has occurred after we updated a Cisco7500 router# >>> from IOS 12.1.7 to IOS 12.1.14.v > H > The router no longer appears to know about your cluster alias address.E > It has been a very long time since I dealt with Phase IV DECnet buth > let's try a few quick checks:s > I > On each node of the VAXCluster issue the command: mcr ncp sho exec chara > I > I'm interested in knowing what each node shows as its own address, what @ > its Type is, and what address it defines as the cluster alias. > H > On the router, what is the result of the command: show decnet neighbor > H > On the Phase V client, what is the result of: mcr decnet_register show > node <cluster> > , > That should be enough to get started with. >  > Mark Berrymang > Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com    = This weekend we are going downgrade the router to IOS 12.1.7.aE It seems that we sometimes (delayed) can connect to a Phase V clustera@ and sometimes it fails. Anyway, I will try the suggested checks.   At this moment thanks, Edwin                        A   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 02:21:29 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...- Message-ID: <87sn27oehi.fsf@prep.synonet.com>.  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:e  A > Was PA-RISC at a technological dead end or was its acrhitecturezA > fully capable of being continued into a 64 bit world and remaint > competitive ?p  F Not at all. Though the HPPA development was killed off in the mid 90's8 then had a Lazarus event in about April/May 97 (I think)  dF > If PA-RISC was at a technological dead end, then it isn't a question< > of "continued development" but rather "develop a brand new > architecture".  E Then HP did the 64 bit PA2.0 designs, that in the brave new game plan D was not going to happen. Also then BTW, PHUX was going to wither andF die and we where all going to be consumed by the endless love of billy goat. Yeah right...a  pB > Developping a brand new architecture costs a whole lot more than3 > continued incremental improvements of an existings > architecture. Right ?s  @ Yes, but... In the `new arch' phase it is pencil, rubish-bin andE people* that cost. The `real costs' of detail design, layout, fabbing A are still down the track. But the people costs are higher at this 9 stage as you want the very best, no matter what it costs.n  aF > Once the IA64 is developped and goes into "incremental improvements"A > mode, then its costs should be lower, and it will be generatingiD > *some* revenue, which is much better than what IA64 has been doingD > since the mid 1990s. As long as IA64 generates a bit of profit forC > Intel, then I see no reason for Intel not wanting to continue thetF > job of producing HP's proprietary chip and try to recuperate some of. > the investment that was wasted in that chip.  F All the chips so far are at the hairy edge of what is possible to fab.E They are pushing hard on the maximum of the reticle appature. I wouldsB hate to have the resulting yeilds that come with that!! And futureB plansd seem to be to continue to stay way above everything else in area and thus down in yield.  F I doubt intel is recovering fab direct cost on IA-64s of any form yet.> IE, every one they make and sell is still losing them money...  tF > If a company realises that one of its office buildings is underused,A > it can sell the building and then reinvest the capital in a newe? > plant to increase production. Better , more profitable use ofa
 > capital.   E > But how much capital is tied up with IA64 ? If they kill IA64, willsD > any capital be usable for a more profitable venture, or will it beF > just a question of reducing headcount ?  If there isn't much capitalE > freed up, then there isn't much point in killing IA64 as long as itr > generates a tiny profit.  E Capital? maybe a few thousand dollars. What is there? If it was giveniE to you, you would skin it for the patent rights, and drop the rest oft the corpse back in the swamp.r  B It is tieing up capital though, designers, space, compute, time onB mask makers and stepppers that would be WAY more profitable on PIV@ production. Don't forget that intel is still recovering from theB belly-uping of SGV and the cancelling by AMSL of the gear they hadA ordered for the 130nm PIV production. They are VERY tight in this;D area, and are probably in some quarters thankfull that the down turnB has remove pressure from them to produce at peak with part kit andF phase-shift masking workarounds. If demand was at full tilt, AMD would# be eating them alive at the moment.a  > From other signs, it would seem that the holy axe of untel hasC Ya-killed the itanic loyal oposition and intel is now on a track of- epic singularity.-  C the x86 stuff will start to wither as the world goes to 64 bits allnA over. How long before turd won't load in a mear 4GB? Will .NET be D .not. in less than 16 GB real and several TB virtual?  Do you expectB to see structure compaction in the compilers of your Vax? How long@ before intel has to pay up big bucks to get billygoat to provide1 slothware that will run on the minor player chip?a  > *Some save money by eliminating the bin. Others by eliminating% the (knowlagable experienced) people.n   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2002 21:41:04 GMT& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...* Message-ID: <ahpr9g$eg9$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:@ >> HP themselves could not justify the continued development andB >> manufacture of CPU's just for consumption in their own systems.   > Reality check here:f  A > Was PA-RISC at a technological dead end or was its acrhitectureKA > fully capable of being continued into a 64 bit world and remainc > competitive ?   ' PA-RISC was already in a 64-bit world. e  B Beyond that, in one way of thinking, PA-RISC was in a 64-bit worldE from the beginning with 64-bit addressing (though not flat - it was ag$ 32-bit SpaceID and a 32-bit offset).  
 rick jones -- aH Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...n   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 16:17:18 -0700/ From: Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon Batson)i4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...= Message-ID: <4495ef1f.0207251517.7e3440bc@posting.google.com>a  u "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<ARu%8.296638$Im2.15278341@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...T> > "Brannon Batson" <Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 > news:4495ef1f.0207231147.5bffe808@posting.google.com...b9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messageeB >  news:<%Q6%8.279257$Im2.14362024@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > > > [snip]E > > > Now, it's your turn (and boy, do I have some good questions)...W > > >s > > > - bill > >_4 > > Shoot away.  We'll see how many I can answer :-) >  > Since you insist:  > J > 1.  As soon as the EV8 effort was killed, revisionists started assertingC > that 2004 was probably an aggressive date that would have slippediK > significantly and that projected performance was likely over-blown.  YourmF > friend Fred has even gone so far recently as to call EV8 'mythical'.  D EV8 was far from mythical.  But it wasn't in silicon either.  I have@ no reason to contradict the published speculation of a rough EV8	 timeline.z  N > My own impression was that the 2004 date was if anything a bit conservative,N > given the amount EV8 had already slipped (in part because EV7 had slipped soJ > much - perhaps both largely due to neglect by Compaq, but that's not the > point of *this* question),   No, not conservative."  ( >  and that performance projections wereN > well-grounded in reality.  But that's only an impression (just as I stronglyI > suspect the revisionists are offering nothing but impressions, possiblyh > biased ones).c  D I'm not sure which projections you are referring too, but the leakedC ones that I've seen have been fairly grounded.  It was to be a fast  chip.e   > 2.  [snip] But I never sawM > anything like an estimate of EV8's single-threaded performance (except froms% > Paul DeMone):  care to provide one?: > [snip]  E It's no secret that EV8 was designed to solidy Alpha's position as #1iE single-threaded performance for a long time.  I have every confidencei8 that it would have been.  That's probably all I can say.  J > 3.  My impression is that the primary motivation for EPIC was the beliefM > that RISC OoO could not be made to work well, and that Alpha disproved thisrG > fairly decisively - thus removing any technical reason to pursue EPICnK > instead of RISC (especially since so many of McKinley's 'features' - both9M > current and proposed - appear equally applicable to a RISC processor shouldtK > anyone be inclined to do so, and since McKinley requires so much more die I > area, power, fast on-chip cache, compiler intelligence, and developmentOM > massaging - via profile feedback - to achieve the same level of performance@M > in the same process as, say, the 1.2+ GHz EV68C will in a month or so if HPIH > doesn't delay its release to avoid making McKinley look bad).  WithoutN > divulging proprietary secrets, could you suggest any (technical) reasons whyJ > EPIC might still be worth pursuing (other than, of course, the fact thatB > Intel's and HP's courses have been set and the boats burned...)?  C Nope.  It's no secret that EPIC has not delivered on its promise ofrB 2xIPC of RISC with higher clock rates, less complexity, and betterB time to market, etc.  But, McKinley is a decent chip.  In the end,A implementation saavy will win over architectural goodness for thesE performance race.  RAS features tend to be ISA agnostic.  So, IPF hasnB every chance of becoming an extremely competitive server platform.  K > 4.  Given that it's made by a company you don't and AFAIK have not workedaM > for, would you feel comfortable giving your professional (but of course notMI > Intel-supported) impression of Hammer in the context of the rest of thep > 64-bit world?m  E baby-EV7!  It's cool--I like it.  My guess is that they are wrestlingsC with corner cases around cache coherence, errors, etc., right now.  E And of course, endless speedpath fixes.  They also probably will needlD another system interface rev before they get all the RAS features inB and working (or at least the advanced RAS features they'll need toE compete with entrenched RISC vendors).  But, its got real promise and E they have the right attitude.  They also have a really smart group ofe people.   F > 5.  Are you guys ever going to write that tell-all book about Alpha?  F The best way to get the info you seek is to find a group of Alpha guysC and start buying drinks ;-).  Being on the west-coast and definetlye? not an old-timer, I've missed a lot of the really juicy gossip.f   > - bill   Brannonr not speaking for Intel   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:04:04 -0400t+ From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@newtrumpet.org> , Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks. Message-ID: <3D403D94.F844BE76@newtrumpet.org>   "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote:lD > I find it difficult to believe that a disk that has been subjectedC > to an external magnetic degaussing field that is strong enough toaF > get through the housing and erase the platters won't also be damagedE > in some other way as well.  (There is other 'stuff' inside the diska  D Yes, but before I throw it away, I want to try the low-level format.  L One other thing...  Aren't drive housings made of aluminum?  I don't believeK aluminum can shield the disk surfaces, or anything else inside, from staticeK magnetic fields.  It could act like a Faraday cage and shield from electric  fields, though.o   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 14:06:39 -0700/ From: chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers)d, Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks< Message-ID: <754a27c1.0207251306.3bd767d@posting.google.com>  e Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message news:<3D3D9FF9.58ED5AFA@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>...eP > Is there a test 70 console command that I could use to low-level format a SCSIO > disk on a VAXstation 4000/VLC, an AlphaStation 200, or an AlphaServer 2000 or@ > 2100?  Thanks in advance!)  6 For the VLC, at the ">>>" prompt use "TEST/UTIL SCSI".  ( I do not know the answer for the Alphas.  
 Good luck!   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:43:49 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>w, Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks' Message-ID: <3D409FD2.C8231F2F@fsi.net>:   "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote:> > [snip]E > Within some other operating systems, FORMAT means something similar B > to what INITIALIZE does: for example, within Disk Administrator,   Not familiar with that.i  ? > Format means to build the disk file structure in a partition.oF > At a DOS prompt for the same OS, FORMAT can mean writing the storageD > blocks on blank media such as a diskette AND write the file system > (FAT or NTFS) structure. e  ? ...or, just write the filesystem(no space between the words, towA distinguish it from a "file system" such as RMS) structure, as ina	 FORMAT/Q.e  - > So they use the same word to mean differentt  > things in different utilities.  H Sort of. You can FORMAT/Q, but you can't FORMAT/NOFS except in UN*X land. where format and mkfs are separate operations.  D > All this just emphasizes that when you ask a question, you need toF > give enough of the context for other people to understand what it isC > that you are actually asking.  This is why you often see postingsyB > here asking the person asking the original question to give moreD > information, and not to use abbreviations for system and operatingE > system names.  There is no real standardization across the industrye$ > as to what many terms really mean.  F Say, "de facto" like M$, or "genericization", as in "our xerox machineB is a Ricoh". To most folks, because they "grew up" on DOS/Windows,C "FORMAT" is the same as mkfs - they don't understand the differencecH (Solaris folks and other UN*X minions understand the difference only too well). a  F Similarly, newbies come to this newsgroup asking about printer driversC for VMS. They don't understand basic device I/O, so they assume the-H "magic" works the same way everywhere. (Child development types refer to* this phenomenon as "over-generalization".)   -- d David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:48:32 GMTs1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>1, Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks' Message-ID: <3D40A0F0.230497F9@fsi.net>w   Jonathan Boswell wrote:e >  > "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote:cF > > I find it difficult to believe that a disk that has been subjectedE > > to an external magnetic degaussing field that is strong enough to H > > get through the housing and erase the platters won't also be damagedG > > in some other way as well.  (There is other 'stuff' inside the diskn > F > Yes, but before I throw it away, I want to try the low-level format. > N > One other thing...  Aren't drive housings made of aluminum?  I don't believeM > aluminum can shield the disk surfaces, or anything else inside, from statichM > magnetic fields.  It could act like a Faraday cage and shield from electric. > fields, though.s   %RQP-E-RQSTCHK, request checkB( -PERS-E-INCONDET, inconsistency detected  : Is not a Faraday cage intended to shield the contents fromG electromagnetic induction? (Example: your AM radio falls silent under a> bridge.)   --   David J. Dachtera0 dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/I   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:49:30 GMTo1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>y, Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks' Message-ID: <3D40A12C.4EB4659E@fsi.net>    Chris Scheers wrote: > g > Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message news:<3D3D9FF9.58ED5AFA@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>... R > > Is there a test 70 console command that I could use to low-level format a SCSIQ > > disk on a VAXstation 4000/VLC, an AlphaStation 200, or an AlphaServer 2000 or  > > 2100?  Thanks in advance!a > 8 > For the VLC, at the ">>>" prompt use "TEST/UTIL SCSI".  @ Is that documented somewhere? (I may have a VLC book around here
 SOMEwhere...)r   -- v David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:40:42 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>, Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks- Message-ID: <87u1mnmid1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>m  H lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes:  B > A completely blank diskette has to be formatted.  All SCSI disksE > I've seen have some sort of formatting information on them already,t= > and don't have to be formatted (unless they were previously B > formatted in a format that is incompatible with OpenVMS, such asC > blocks that are not 512 bytes in size: these are rare.  Note that D > while some operating systems 'block' the disk in chunks other than= > 512 bytes, the disk itself is usually 512 bytes per unit ofs > storage.)o  @ Actually, non 512 byte SCSI disks are not that rare. AS/400s use= 520 byte sectors, and the IBM channel attached RAID boxes usee> extra space for the equivalent of forced error reporting. They$ DO need re-formating to use on VMS.   ? A friend got 14 4GB drives for $5 from a RAID unit. They workedg3 fine once they had been reformated, but not before.s   -- o< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.`@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:24:19 -0700I( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>- Subject: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"? - Message-ID: <3D4088A3.429647B6@NelsonUSA.com>r  ? We let our VMS (and layered products) services contract expire, ; and are now trying to reinstate it.   It is turning into an  exercise in frustration.  ; In The Good Old Days (tm), I would pick up the Software andH: Services catalog, construct the part numbers I needed, and; look up the prices.   Unfortunately, that catalog no longerr+ exists and I cannot find an online version.   = After working my way through at least four different HP salese> people, I finally reached someone who said that she could help? me.   However, HP's version of "help" goes something like this:v  4    1. I describe the update services I think I want.  =    2. Salesperson copies them down, but with an error or two.   ?    3. Salesperson must then submit this list to another person, 8       who will then enter the request into (I guess) the9       quote-generating system.   This takes a day or two.t  4    4. The quote is then sent back to my salesperson.  -    5. Salesperson then FAXes the quote to me.   9    6. I discover an error, remember something that I left,9       off, or am simply curious what the price differencer'       is between two (or more) options.d      7. GOTO Step 1.  9 Between phone tag and all the built-in delays, we are nowoB running close to a week per cycle.   In addition, the descriptions? are so terse that it is often unclear exactly what I am gettinge> with a particular part number.   For example, I was quoted theC following for Alpha/VMS and single-concurrent-user BASIC (language)  license update service:   @     QLMT1AE6R  OVMS/ALPHAsvr 400/1000 BASE           192.00/year@     QL0Y7AEAA  CPQ BASIC V/A TRAD LIC                708.00/year  A It strikes me as odd that the single-user BASIC update service ise! 3.7 times the VMS update service.n  > Is there any online resource that I can access that will allowA me to research this myself?   I spent several hours searching thesB Compaq/HP/VMS web sites, but cannot find anything remotely helpful in this effort.I  < I am at the mercy of a salesperson who really isn't all thatB familiar with the products and services, although she really tries= to be helpful.   It appears that even she doesn't have online  access to this information.i  9 It almost seems that HP doesn't WANT to sell us services.t   Alan  J -- Alan E. Frisbie              Abuse@NelsonUSA.com (Yes, that's correct!) -- Nelson Nameplate Companyn -- 2800 Casitas Avenue1 -- Los Angeles, CA 90039        323-663-3971 x286m   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:13:03 +0100iU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>n4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)0 Message-ID: <ahpbj3$e82$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:  G > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:16:56 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 6 > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote: >  >  >> >>jlsue wrote: >> >> > > >>No you are the time waster, you jump into a discussion about9 >>SMP vs Cluster scalability with examples that you admit-B >>a primarely HA and are then unable to recollect what scalability >>you observed in real life. >>? >>If you have forgotten your "real-world" experience taught you9< >>then it wasn't really a very usefull real-world experience	 >>was it.: >>< >>If you had a clue you would have jumped in with real world; >>examples of cluster scalability, you didn't so I think ino< >>the circumstances you have proven to be the person without	 >>a clue.e >> > D > Well, I have a clue about what I've done, and how to reproduce it.@ > What I don't have a clue is how you make such amazing jumps to > conclusions.   > @ > These WERE examples of using clusters for scalability.  OracleG > clusters in some cases.  Whenever we needed more processing, we'd addaH > another system to the cluster.  It was very simple and didn't increase > our people costs.a >     9 But what scalability did you get from adding the addionale9 node, were you running one DBMS on the cluster and acrosst+ all the nodes or were you running a number.i  8 These are the specific questions that you seem unwilling+ or unable due to recall issues to reply to.-  6 In a MS type scale out cluster or a web server farm if9 I want more processing or more HTTP traffic I add another-6 node, but the workload at least in the web instance is5 horizontally scalable. You seem unable to say if your 9 example is in this category or in the category of running>6 one single DBMS instance on multiple nodes which isn't inherantly scalable.    G > If you have some specific question, I'll try to answer them, but just@ > grow up a little.i >  > , >>BTW you were going to get back to me with: >>1. .1 >>Datapoints that support the Alpha is fast SPARCr >>	is slow conjecture. >> > E > This is a fabrication on your part.  However, I work with customerssE > who have made these statments to me.  These are real-world apps, ofo > course, and not benchmarks.  >     7 No it isn't the fabrication is all in your court, I cans8 and have provided quantative examples which all disprove4 the Alpha is fast SPARC is slow conjecture, you have9 produced nothing but hand wavey responses like the above.8     >  >>2.  4 >>Where you have had a sucessfull technical argument >>	with me in the past.  >> > A > Look at the last discussion on whether VMSclusters allow you tooD > increase availability - sometimes to almost 100%.  This was in theC > 2000 timeframe.  This was a technical discussion about whether weaB > could actually do certain things with VMS, which you kept sayingH > couldn't be done - or at least, not very often, iirc.  My analysis wasD > that you carefully chose certain anecdotal cases to try to prove aC > general case.  And even when people with years of experience withh? > hundereds of VMSclusters tried to explain the fallacy in this - > reasoning, you couldn't be swayed by logic.s >     > You clearly have a serious comprehension problem, I have never; made this claim. I have however claimed that you can do theB< same or similar things with other cluster technologies which is entirely different.  > If you don't understand this distinction then its pretty clear= that you would be in the difficult possition of thinking that#< you have had a sucessfull technical discussion with me, when you hadn't.      >  > 5 >>We are still waiting on both of these, wouldn't youy3 >>be better off trying to salvage Alpha and you owna: >>tattered reputations rather than jumping into a argument@ >>where you had to admit to having "forgotten" the only peice of4 >>information that might have made your contribution >>usefull or interesting.m >> > A > This is typical Andrew style.  When you can't counter with reallG > information, you try make-up-a-fact to disparage others.  You have noa5 > real life, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.o >  f    = Hang on you are the person who has abjectly failed to provideg: any real information. Fantastic, wonderfull etc, terms you9 are fond of are hardly example of real information nor is89 not being able to provide scalability numbers because you  couldn't remember them.l  ? If this was an isolated example it would be forgivable, howevere& as you know you are a serial offender.   Regardsb   Andrew Harrisont  + P.S Are you an OpenVMS ambassador as well ?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:09:18 -0500c& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)8 Message-ID: <qr91kucui851b3qt11ja0mnfm5eq0ue79i@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:13:03 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyc4 <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:   >e >e
 >jlsue wrote:n >iH >> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:16:56 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy7 >> <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:  >>   >> F >>>a= >>>If you had a clue you would have jumped in with real worldr< >>>examples of cluster scalability, you didn't so I think in= >>>the circumstances you have proven to be the person without 
 >>>a clue. >>>  >> -E >> Well, I have a clue about what I've done, and how to reproduce it.uA >> What I don't have a clue is how you make such amazing jumps toe >> conclusions.    >>  A >> These WERE examples of using clusters for scalability.  OraclegH >> clusters in some cases.  Whenever we needed more processing, we'd addI >> another system to the cluster.  It was very simple and didn't increaser >> our people costs. >>   >  >h: >But what scalability did you get from adding the addional: >node, were you running one DBMS on the cluster and across, >all the nodes or were you running a number. >y9 >These are the specific questions that you seem unwillingd, >or unable due to recall issues to reply to.  < We got very good scalability.  Were you expecting some exactC measurement?  How about you supply the same in contradiction first.-E There are many examples, so I wasn't trying to be specific because inaF all cases (some with one instance cluster-wide, and some with multipleD database instances, and some with both) the business we were runningC was very happy with the scalability they got from the solution.  Ina0 some cases we had very close to 90% scalability.   >f7 >In a MS type scale out cluster or a web server farm if : >I want more processing or more HTTP traffic I add another7 >node, but the workload at least in the web instance is 6 >horizontally scalable. You seem unable to say if your: >example is in this category or in the category of running7 >one single DBMS instance on multiple nodes which isn'th >inherantly scalable.t  D Again, that's because there are multiple examples that I refer to...F many from both types of scaling.  VMSclusters have historically been aE very good scalable solution for the applications in the general case.e  ? But you say that a single DBMS instance on multiple nodes isn'tC? inherently scalable as a generality, but in the situations I've.F implemented them the gave very favorable scalability.  Does it compareF to adding more processors into the same box, well I don't think I ever made that claim.  7 However, as other examples have been given showing that/F non-VMSclusters are "good enough" for many people, the environments toB which I refer show that the scalability was "good enough" to use aF single DBMS instance in a VMScluster.  And I have had many discussionsF with other professionals at venues like DECUS/CETS/HPETS and hear very similar experiences.     >>>f >> tF >> This is a fabrication on your part.  However, I work with customersF >> who have made these statments to me.  These are real-world apps, of >> course, and not benchmarks. >> n >o >h8 >No it isn't the fabrication is all in your court, I can9 >and have provided quantative examples which all disprovem5 >the Alpha is fast SPARC is slow conjecture, you haven: >produced nothing but hand wavey responses like the above.  E Well, again I never made the claim that Alpha was the fastest in yourfA benchmarks.  I claim that my previous work environments, and moreiE recently my customers' work environments have come to that conclusiony! on their real-world applications.a  F Your insistence to show some quantitative proof is just a smokescreen.> There have been several notes in c.o.v to that affect as well.     >> /B >> Look at the last discussion on whether VMSclusters allow you toE >> increase availability - sometimes to almost 100%.  This was in theeD >> 2000 timeframe.  This was a technical discussion about whether weC >> could actually do certain things with VMS, which you kept sayingsI >> couldn't be done - or at least, not very often, iirc.  My analysis was E >> that you carefully chose certain anecdotal cases to try to prove a D >> general case.  And even when people with years of experience with@ >> hundereds of VMSclusters tried to explain the fallacy in this. >> reasoning, you couldn't be swayed by logic. >> c >. > ? >You clearly have a serious comprehension problem, I have neverh< >made this claim. I have however claimed that you can do the= >same or similar things with other cluster technologies whicht >is entirely different., >w? >If you don't understand this distinction then its pretty clear.> >that you would be in the difficult possition of thinking that= >you have had a sucessfull technical discussion with me, whene >you hadn't. >o  C Please see notes  from Jan 2001 where you claim that Kerry's and myyE claims about VMScluster availability is not true in the general case.gB Yes, you have claimed that VMScluster doesn't have an edge in thisF over other cluster technologies.  However, you also did argue that theE availability is not true in the general case.  Despite information toeB the contrary about many, many applications where the availabililtyB capabilities of VMSclusters DID provide a benefit not available in? other cluster products, you consistently brought up a couple of D instances where it wasn't true and made these statements that it can? be concluded false in the general case.  You never provided any ( analysis to demonstrate this conclusion.  C I believe that there were similar claims made about the performancelE capabilities of GS160/320 systems compared to the 8400s.  You broughto> some vague notion that customers have posted in here that they@ installed the new systems and had slower performance compared toE 8400s.  At the time I DID search through deja/google and found only 1h; message that came close that notion, and it was very easilynF performance problems caused by poor tuning/mis-tuning.  In the end youC made a general-case claim of customer dissatisfaction based on thiss one anecdotal incident.   D But this is all off-topic for the discussion at hand.  If you have aE specific question about the results I've gotten as far as scalabilityoF goes, feel free to ask away.  I will be more than willing to keep this$ discussion civil as long as you are.  ) Not speaking for anyone, certainly not HPr- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)5   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:03:41 -0400f5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com>r0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow* Message-ID: <ahpehh$bm2$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  H Just so folks know dates are being added as soon as I get updates I will post.0   sue   @ "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message$ news:ahp6m0$9a5$1@web1.cup.hp.com...K > There was a very cool banner that said With OpenVMS there is no question. L > I recevied an invitation and checked to see if it was open for everyone to > register and they said yes.p >w > Warm Regards,/ >o > Sue- >- >- >- >- >-I > The registration web site is now open for OpenVMS comes to Itanium, thee2 > Summer 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector. >d$ > www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour >n# >  Raleigh, NC - Thursday, July 18D >B" >  Chicago, IL - Tuesday, July 23 >i$ >  Columbus, OH - Thursday, July 25 > ! >  Boston, MA - Tuesday, July 30  >e% >  Nashville, TN - Tuesday, August 6r >i% >  Houston, TX - Thursday, August 15t >e# >  Denver, CO - Tuesday, August 20l > $ >  Seattle, WA - Tuesday, August 27 >b >w >  >n >, > Mark Langfords >a" > BCS Business Development Manager >r > U.S. Public Sector Sales >o > the new HP >'' > voice 281.518.2668 . fax 281.926.11621 >y >, >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:40:17 -0400o1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@voltdelta.com>e0 Subject: RE: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - RoadshowO Message-ID: <025766C9BBC5D511A4ED00B0D0F08C23163605@ny_exchange1.maintech1.com>O   Sue,  G Will there be any of these in the NYC area?  It would be most welcome =  here (and I think it would help).   Mike Farrell   > -----Original Message-----: > From:	Sue Skonetski [SMTP:susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com]' > Sent:	Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:04 PM  > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > Subject:	Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow >=20G > Just so folks know dates are being added as soon as I get updates I =u will > post.s >=20 > sue  >=20B > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message& > news:ahp6m0$9a5$1@web1.cup.hp.com...C > > There was a very cool banner that said With OpenVMS there is no- > question..D > > I recevied an invitation and checked to see if it was open for = everyone > to > > register and they said yes.n > >  > > Warm Regards,  > >a > > Suei > >  > >r > >. > >n > >GI > > The registration web site is now open for OpenVMS comes to Itanium, =s the 4 > > Summer 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector. > >t& > > www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour > >I' > > =B7 Raleigh, NC - Thursday, July 18  > >n& > > =B7 Chicago, IL - Tuesday, July 23 > >a( > > =B7 Columbus, OH - Thursday, July 25 > >d% > > =B7 Boston, MA - Tuesday, July 30' > >s) > > =B7 Nashville, TN - Tuesday, August 6  > > ) > > =B7 Houston, TX - Thursday, August 15n > > ' > > =B7 Denver, CO - Tuesday, August 20i > > ( > > =B7 Seattle, WA - Tuesday, August 27 > >u > >t > >i > >  > >e > > Mark Langfordh > >l$ > > BCS Business Development Manager > >  > > U.S. Public Sector Sales > >i > > the new HP > >t) > > voice 281.518.2668 . fax 281.926.1162  > >p > >. > >  >=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:47:14 GMTm( From: Don Sykes <annonymous@pacbell.net>0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow+ Message-ID: <3D404818.69577019@pacbell.net>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > J > Just so folks know dates are being added as soon as I get updates I will > post.I   > >iK > > The registration web site is now open for OpenVMS comes to Itanium, the 4 > > Summer 2002 OpenVMS Road Show for Public Sector. > >a& > > www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour > >g% > >  Raleigh, NC - Thursday, July 18i > > $ > >  Chicago, IL - Tuesday, July 23 > >H& > >  Columbus, OH - Thursday, July 25 > > # > >  Boston, MA - Tuesday, July 30  > > ' > >  Nashville, TN - Tuesday, August 6t > >h' > >  Houston, TX - Thursday, August 15. > >e% > >  Denver, CO - Tuesday, August 20a > >l& > >  Seattle, WA - Tuesday, August 27 > >w  ) Hmmm...still nothing in the Golden State.a   --     Have VMS. Will Travel. Wire Paladin (@alphase.com)d
 San Franciscoe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:28:45 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow+ Message-ID: <3D40515C.F5666DD@videotron.ca>l  # Will this roadshow come to canada ?t  H Also, wouldn't "VMS comes to HP" be more valuable than "OpenVMS comes to
 Itanium" ?  M Isn't it far more important to find out how HP will treat VMS than to discussn- some future platform that doesn't yet exist ?9  F Once HP has servers it can show customers running VMS, then I expect aG roadshow titled "VMS comes to Itanium". but until then, explaining HP's H policies towards VMS, confirming or denying Stallard,s memos etc is more important to me.  K VMS on IA64 is still too far into the future to really matter to me at this H point in time. The merger with HP is happening now, and that is far more important right now.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:27:19 GMT>! From: Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net>p0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow> Message-ID: <Xns9256A71D739E1acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> enlightened us( with news:ahpehh$bm2$1@web1.cup.hp.com:   ; > Just so folks know dates are being added as soon as I getu > updates I will post.  0 Does the person scheduling these take requests ?  " >>  Boston, MA - Tuesday, July 30  sA A late August/September Boston/Burlington (Or better yet, Nashua,nA NH) date would be welcome. I can't be the only New England person # who can't get there next week :-( ?o   -Andy-   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 15:44:19 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)E0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow3 Message-ID: <LNsu6CZcSEXc@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  b In article <Xns9256A71D739E1acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>, Andy <acs@fcgnet.works.net> writes:@ > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> enlightened us* > with news:ahpehh$bm2$1@web1.cup.hp.com:  > < >> Just so folks know dates are being added as soon as I get >> updates I will post.  > 2 > Does the person scheduling these take requests ? > # >>>  Boston, MA - Tuesday, July 30  >  aC > A late August/September Boston/Burlington (Or better yet, Nashua,sC > NH) date would be welcome. I can't be the only New England persone% > who can't get there next week :-( ?y  : You are the only New England person out of town next week.- The rest of us are planning a GIANT PARTY :-)i   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 15:54:13 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS comes to Itanium - Roadshow3 Message-ID: <QyY2mJGXIapL@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  b In article <ahpehh$bm2$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@hp.nospam.com> writes:J > Just so folks know dates are being added as soon as I get updates I will > post.  >    How about York, UK ? :-)  H Seriously though, are there any plans to do anything outside of the US ?   > sueu >    Simon.   -- pB Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.t   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:11:18 +0100 (MET)h9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!; Message-ID: <01KKIVV2XXM496Y2PR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>o   > they4 > definitely will market it now ... to niche markets > and ecommerce ...   I Any reason as to this restriction?  When I was working in England, I was aF surprised at first to hear that BMW UK was ARTIFICIALLY narrowing its G marketing and simultaneously limiting imports since it feared that, if eG too many people drove BMWs, it would lose its exclusive image and thus  H hurt sales long-term.  :-|  VMS, however, lives from its strength alone 6 and not from its image, though it is rather exclusive.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:52:47 GMTI# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!J Message-ID: <jGY%8.199594$WJf1.49869@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagei7 news:d7791aa1.0207250949.4fd2789b@posting.google.com...l8 > Just got back, and it was a good seminar ... talked to5 > a former dec marketing person of 20 years from this 5 > area, and she feels real good about hp ... she saidw2 > Carly understands VMS well and likes it ... they4 > definitely will market it now ... to niche markets > and ecommerce ...f  ; I'd like to hear Carly discuss the merits of VMS vs. HP-UX.l  3 How small is a niche? Did they define that for you?y  I By the way, niche markets are HPTC and embedded systems (military, SCADA, G and the like), all the rest are e-commerce in one form or another theseeD days. What would consititute e-commerce in my books you ask. AirlineH reservations & ticketing, portals, e-tailers (Amazon, et al.), financialF trading, retail (Barnes & Noble, Sears, etc...), porno (pay-per-view),I on-line music sales, Ticketmaster, retail & wholesale web banking, and soh on.   H So which is it then - since e-commrce is pervasive and affects virtuallyK every industry in every country globally, will HP be widely marketing it to  everyone, or not?o  3 Get back to us when you have the answer from Carly.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 18:11:54 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207251711.f6e2d92@posting.google.com>  | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KKIVV2XXM496Y2PR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>... > > they6 > > definitely will market it now ... to niche markets > > and ecommerce ...  > K > Any reason as to this restriction?  When I was working in England, I was vH > surprised at first to hear that BMW UK was ARTIFICIALLY narrowing its I > marketing and simultaneously limiting imports since it feared that, if hI > too many people drove BMWs, it would lose its exclusive image and thus aJ > hurt sales long-term.  :-|  VMS, however, lives from its strength alone 8 > and not from its image, though it is rather exclusive.  D I don't run the marketing department, but they are targeting marketsE that vms has a strong position in and where they see potential (web),eE and I also heard their university free license program is going well,lC and that they have gained quite a few unix to vms conversions since C 9/11, and they had a nice promo about the bank that kept on runningoF thru the disaster on their backup cluster 30 miles away while everyoneD else went down ... I think things are about to change, maybe slowly, but they are changing ...v   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 14:13:31 -0700" From: horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) Subject: Re: Perl Modules = Message-ID: <843706dc.0207251313.15f7af28@posting.google.com>l  D Is there anything needs to be done to get CPAN working on an OpenVMS' 7.3 system? I have tried the following:   	 use CPAN;e1 autobundle, clean, install, make, recompile, testy  # and am getting the following error:s   CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok Fetching with LWP:8   ftp://archive.progeny.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz; LWP failed with code[500] message[FTP close response: 000 ]t Fetching with Net::FTP: 8   ftp://archive.progeny.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Cannot open Local fileF perl_root:[lib.CPAN.storage.sources.authors]01mailrc.txt.gz: i/o error$  at /perl_root/lib/CPAN.pm line 21417 Couldn't fetch 01mailrc.txt.gz from archive.progeny.com   + Anyone doing the CPAN to keep Perl Updated?fQ david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<ahou1j$2ma$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...ei > In article <8PR%8.3769$EL6.43725@news.kpnqwest.fi>, "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> writes: L > >Does anyone know if there are following modules for perl 5.6.1 on OpenVMS > >alpha 7.2-2 ? > >g > >Net::FTP,DBI,Net::Telnety > >e' > >If so, where can these be obtained ?n > >e	 > >-Kari-w > >  > ? > The standard place for all perl modules - cpan (www.cpan.org)vF > Note. Perl modules are pretty much platform agnostic. In general theK > same perl module will build and work on any platform - of course a module N > for accessing VMS queues probably won't build or if it did wouldn't be much  > use on a non-vms system etca >  >  > 3 > For the Net::FTP you will want the libnet bundle.n >  > 6 > Alpha1:typ/pa perl_root:[000000]LIBNET-1_0703.README > @ > libnet is a collection of Perl modules which provides a simple? > and consistent programming interface (API) to the client side>6 > of various protocols used in the internet community. > = > For details of each protocol please refer to the RFC. RFC'sr9 > can be found a various places on the WEB, for a staringn > point look at: > A >     http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Standards/RFCs/t > . > The RFC implemented in this distribution are > 8 > Net::FTP        RFC959          File Transfer Protocol? > Net::SMTP       RFC821          Simple Mail Transfer Protocols2 > Net::Time       RFC867          Daytime Protocol/ > Net::Time       RFC868          Time Protocol @ > Net::NNTP       RFC977          Network News Transfer Protocol8 > Net::POP3       RFC1939         Post Office Protocol 3? > Net::SNPP       RFC1861         Simple Network Pager Protocolm > E > The distribution also contains a module (Net::PH) which facilitatescF > comunicate with with servers using the CCSO Nameserver Server-Client
 > Protocol > 
 > FUTURE WORK> >  > AVAILABILITY > G > The latest version of libnet is available from the Comprehensive Perlh; > Archive Network (CPAN). To find a CPAN site near you see:s >  >     http://www.perl.com/CPAN >  > F > (Net::Telnet doesn't appear to be in this bundle so you will have to) > get the Net::Telnet module separately).b >  > L > Similarly for database access you will need the DBI module and appropriate > DBD modules from CPAN. > 3 > Alpha1:typ/pa perl_root:[DBI-1_20]DBI-1_20.READMEt > 1 > DBI - The Perl Database Interface by Tim Bunce.e > . > Copyright (c) 1994-2000  Tim Bunce  England. > D > See COPYRIGHT section in DBI.pm for usage and distribution rights. >  > RECENT NEWS: > E >     The DBI comes bundled with DBI::Shell, DBD::ADO, DBD::Proxy andd? >     DBI::ProxyServer modules. Those are still alpha releases.K > C >     Note that recent additions to the DBI spec (marked *NEW*) mayeF >     take a little while to be fully supported by individual drivers. >  > QUICK START GUIDE: > I >     The DBI requires one or more 'driver' modules to talk to databases.eI >     Check that a DBD::* module exists for the database you wish to use.nB >     Read the DBI README then Build/test/install the DBI by doing >             perl Makefile.PL >             make >             make testt >             make install >  n > M > Note. There are now probably later versions of these modules than the ones i > mentioned above. > I > Note also that Perl 5.8.0 has now been released see http://www.perl.org  > O > Haven't had a chance to try this out yet. But the developers have been saying @ > that this release was going to be a great improvement for VMS. >  >  >  >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:33:08 -0400u' From: "Shane Cusson" <scusson@yahoo.ca>n Subject: Re: Perl Modulesl: Message-ID: <0F109.9198$DN4.1696284@news20.bellglobal.com>  I CPAN automatically downloads modules from one of it's mirrors. Looks likenF the account you were using did not have write priveldges, or could notI connect to the internet (outside address). Try downloading using FTP fromg the DCL prompt...l  E Secondly, some CPAN modules require a C compiler... (DEC C on VMS...)e  G I'm using Net:FTP and other modules on 7.3, I usually download them andr install by hand...   Hope that helps,   Shane Cusson scusson@[nospam]hotmail.com-    / "James T Horn" <horn@shsu.edu> wrote in message 7 news:843706dc.0207251313.15f7af28@posting.google.com...uF > Is there anything needs to be done to get CPAN working on an OpenVMS) > 7.3 system? I have tried the following:t >a > use CPAN;d3 > autobundle, clean, install, make, recompile, testS >S% > and am getting the following error:m >r  > CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok > Fetching with LWP:: >   ftp://archive.progeny.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz= > LWP failed with code[500] message[FTP close response: 000 ]f > Fetching with Net::FTP:o: >   ftp://archive.progeny.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz > Cannot open Local fileH > perl_root:[lib.CPAN.storage.sources.authors]01mailrc.txt.gz: i/o error& >  at /perl_root/lib/CPAN.pm line 21419 > Couldn't fetch 01mailrc.txt.gz from archive.progeny.comn >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:48:04 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>$ Subject: Re: printer status question& Message-ID: <3D4055F4.6070207@home.nl>   Chuck Aaron wrote: > Group, > G > I have used stop/queue/reset post$print and then restarted the queue. E > I then submit this job and it remains in Starting status and is not G > printing. There are no error messages showing on the queue or printero > itself. Any suggestions? >  > Chuck. >  > CHUCK> show entry/full 8606 >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status6 >   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------8 >     860  FR072302        AARON             2  Starting+ >          On busy printer queue POST$PRINTF? >          Submitted 24-JUL-2002 13:07:22.38 /FORM=DCPS$DEFAULT  > (stock=DEFAULT) /PRIORITY=100 G >          File: _$7$DKE400:[UPDATES.FRUPDTS]FR072302.RPT;1 (printing))e > CHUCK>  N What kind of of printer? I have seen the same beheaviour with certain Lexmark N printers. It that case it is most likely a poor Postscript interpreter in the  printer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:11:52 -0500b. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>= Subject: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).i. Message-ID: <3D4077A8.2E937644@pressenter.com>  1 Here's a problem, that will hopefully be easy....a    F Say I have two VMS machines. "Fred" and "Barney". They are on the sameG wide area network, and via DECnet and TCP/IP, they know and can talk toi' one another. ("Set Host", "ping", etc.)R  G I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how longn? it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new and  different task on "Barney."   F I know I could run a batch job on Barney looking for a file, then have@ Fred ftp a small "flag" file... But that seems wasteful to me...  5 This is VMS... Anything's possible with VMS... right?,     Thanks in advance, o   Lyndon -- dG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.,    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't! have to look at the horse's butt.A   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:53:00 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i Subject: Timing of advertising, Message-ID: <3D40C791.2BF2FD6F@videotron.ca>  M A while ago, someone had mentioned the time delay between an advertising idea2 and the time it is aired on TV.o  L On USA TV networks, Bell South is currently advertising with a not so subtle? wording clearly aimed at the uncertainty of Worldcom's future.    J And to those who think that advertising VMS on TV would not work, considerK that those Bell South ads are clearly aimed at corporate telecom contracts,n. not the mom and pop residential long distance.  F And consider that those ads started to air just a couple of days after/ Worldcom declared it would go under chapter 11.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:27:29 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>y8 Subject: Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid, Message-ID: <3D404304.DAD3C1EA@videotron.ca>  3 How would such a drive fit into a SAN environment ?   K Wouldn't a storage array allow one node to mount/nowrite while another noded% would mount the same drive normally ?a  J Heck, in a cluster, I have never tried this, but couldn't the mscp servingN node mount read/write, and another node then mount/nowrite that drive ? (would the reverse work ?)j   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 15:40:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: Two-headed hard drive as a security bandaid3 Message-ID: <EbNXjwAHsmja@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  w In article <01KKIUMQ675Y96Y2PR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:n  D > I had a chuckle myself at first, but of course MOUNT/NOWRITE will  > disallow writing by everyone,u  # except those with CMKRNL privilege.o   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 12:49:50 -0700. From: ksubrama1@yahoo.com (Kannan Viswanathan)R Subject: Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine= Message-ID: <d0028b0c.0207251149.56181013@posting.google.com>   d hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<ahngag$jjm$1@web1.cup.hp.com>...Y > In article <24JUL200207075969@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:n5 > :ksubrama1@yahoo.com (Kannan Viswanathan) writes...oD > :}In my code , I am using the lib$find_image_symbol call to invokeH > :}functions in a shared image. The modules in the shared image as wellD > :}as the code that invokes  are compiled with switches "as_is" and5 > :}"shortened" and hence want to turn on the flag inAF > :}lib$find_image_symbol which will invoke symbols without converting > :}them to uppercase. > :} n, > :}Here is my code segment to achieve this. > :}..2 > :}unsigned longword flags = LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE; > :}..C > :}status = LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL(&log_dsc, &func_dsc, &retval, 0,l > :}&flags); > :} eE > :}This is on alpha/openvms 7.3 and the entire code is compiled withm > :}pointer=64.  > :} cC > :}The above segment doesn't seem to work. When I step through thee8 > :}debugger, the message I get at the point of invoking > :}lib$find_image_symbol is > :} n& > :}%LIB-F-INVARG, invalid argument(s) > :}  J > :}When I change the flags argument to "0", the RTL routine  succeeds but? > :}upcases the symbol by default which is not I want to happen> > :} t: > :}I will greatly appreciate your experience in using the& > :}LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE for this call. > : L > :I'm not certain of this, but it may be complaining that the 4th parameterK > :is not valid. The last two are optional, but to specify the last one youwJ > :may need to specify the next to last one as a valid value. "0" is not aI > :valid descriptor address. You might try making that "&log_dsc" too, oreH > :something appropraite. When you change the last one to "0" it works -K > :not because "0" is a valid address to find the flags at, but because "0" K > :is what is used by these things to represent "the optional parameter was@ > :not specified". >  > O >   Having just checked the source code, the flags argument is passed by value.  >   D  Thanks - It works when I pass the flags argument by value. The helpF documentation on this call wrongly mentions this argument to passed by
 reference.   > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------P >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:29:45 GMTe From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG R Subject: Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine0 Message-ID: <00A11735.8314EF03@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <ahngag$jjm$1@web1.cup.hp.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:p >lX >In article <24JUL200207075969@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes:4 >:ksubrama1@yahoo.com (Kannan Viswanathan) writes...C >:}In my code , I am using the lib$find_image_symbol call to invoke-G >:}functions in a shared image. The modules in the shared image as welloC >:}as the code that invokes  are compiled with switches "as_is" ande4 >:}"shortened" and hence want to turn on the flag inE >:}lib$find_image_symbol which will invoke symbols without convertings >:}them to uppercase.7 >:} + >:}Here is my code segment to achieve this.b >:}..d1 >:}unsigned longword flags = LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE;c >:}..iB >:}status = LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL(&log_dsc, &func_dsc, &retval, 0, >:}&flags);e >:} D >:}This is on alpha/openvms 7.3 and the entire code is compiled with >:}pointer=64. >:} B >:}The above segment doesn't seem to work. When I step through the7 >:}debugger, the message I get at the point of invoking  >:}lib$find_image_symbol isy >:} % >:}%LIB-F-INVARG, invalid argument(s)b >:} I >:}When I change the flags argument to "0", the RTL routine  succeeds butn> >:}upcases the symbol by default which is not I want to happen >:} 9 >:}I will greatly appreciate your experience in using the,% >:}LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE for this call.  >:K >:I'm not certain of this, but it may be complaining that the 4th parameteruJ >:is not valid. The last two are optional, but to specify the last one youI >:may need to specify the next to last one as a valid value. "0" is not arH >:valid descriptor address. You might try making that "&log_dsc" too, orG >:something appropraite. When you change the last one to "0" it works - J >:not because "0" is a valid address to find the flags at, but because "0"J >:is what is used by these things to represent "the optional parameter was >:not specified".s >- > N >  Having just checked the source code, the flags argument is passed by value. >d >sO > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------cO >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com     O > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------nM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comw >    Hoff,a  D All of the documentation states that the FLAGS argument is passed byC reference.  Even the source listing in [...LIBRTL.LIS]LIBFNDIMG.LISh has comments to this effect:  U     1      1097 GLOBAL ROUTINE lib$find_image_symbol (image_desc,routine_desc,retadr,s.     1      1098         default_desc, flags) =     1      1099 BEGINe     :i     :eH     2      1116 !       flags = Address of longword of flags for $IMGACT    K Also, the source listings show that the FLAGS argument's bits are validatedt# as if FLAGS is passed by reference.   &     3      1275     IF (.flags AND NOT2     4      1276             (LIB$M_FIS_PARANOID or5     5      1277              LIB$M_FIS_NO_FALLBACK or 2     5      1278              LIB$M_FIS_TV_FIRST or4     5      1279              LIB$M_FIS_NOTRANSLOG or1     5      1280              LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE)5     5      1281         ) NEQ 0o    J I've pulled the above from the V7.2-1 source listings.  Perhaps, there areI differences within the listings of the current shiiping release?  I don'te6 have the V7.3 listings mounted at the moment to check.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             i5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 17:42:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)TR Subject: Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine3 Message-ID: <P4VmrkFlYPJN@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  P In article <00A11735.8314EF03@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  F > All of the documentation states that the FLAGS argument is passed byE > reference.  Even the source listing in [...LIBRTL.LIS]LIBFNDIMG.LISx > has comments to this effect: > W >     1      1097 GLOBAL ROUTINE lib$find_image_symbol (image_desc,routine_desc,retadr, 0 >     1      1098         default_desc, flags) = >     1      1099 BEGINe >     :o >     :lJ >     2      1116 !       flags = Address of longword of flags for $IMGACT  F By coincidence I ran into this problem today (in someone else's code).  M > Also, the source listings show that the FLAGS argument's bits are validatede% > as if FLAGS is passed by reference.   H I disagree.  Brian, perhaps you have been using some language other than Bliss too much !  ( >     3      1275     IF (.flags AND NOT4 >     4      1276             (LIB$M_FIS_PARANOID or7 >     5      1277              LIB$M_FIS_NO_FALLBACK oru4 >     5      1278              LIB$M_FIS_TV_FIRST or6 >     5      1279              LIB$M_FIS_NOTRANSLOG or3 >     5      1280              LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE)e! >     5      1281         ) NEQ 0r   	IF (flags AND  G would be nonsensical Bliss, testing the address of flags (which must be % really weird if it is in a register).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:29:38 +0200r- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>h Subject: VMS training restarts' Message-ID: <3D404391.C2D0C206@Free.fr>   O I heard from a Compaq-a-HP-Company Manager that HPQ is producing a new trainingc9 course, entitled "OpenVMS Internals for System Managers".P  " "Happy be the one who believes..."   D. -- m2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:11:38 GMTr1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: VMS training restarts' Message-ID: <3D40A65B.3F99053A@fsi.net>r   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Q > I heard from a Compaq-a-HP-Company Manager that HPQ is producing a new training ; > course, entitled "OpenVMS Internals for System Managers".  > $ > "Happy be the one who believes..."   Where do I register?   -- i David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/]   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 11:43:25 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ? = Message-ID: <343f30ae.0207251043.321f19b1@posting.google.com>l  z andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) wrote in message news:<58ba0101.0207250659.939a225@posting.google.com>... > Hi,t > E > I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generateuF > numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsH > from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveD > more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I > have two  entry no. 1s ? >  > Appreciate any feedback.    @ The range of queue numbers is expanded well before you have 1000= concurrent jobs. Probably at about 900 jobs -- see the threadr mentioned below.  / And remember [and I *know* Hoff will agree]:      C     *** The entry number is an opaque longword. Make no assumptions 5 about the next entry number and all will be fine. ***   F You can search Google groups for previous postings on this very topic!D (Search for the thread entitled "Question about running out of queue entry numbers", e.g.)n  E Just don't worry about it and assume the entry number can be anything-1 that fits in a longword (opaque longword, i.e.!).r     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman gfigroup come   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:12:28 GMTt( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>7 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problemn, Message-ID: <3D40A1FB.3060406@spammotel.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:d; > Well, you can try to connect to the SQS server "by hand".   E That's true, but now I know how :-)  Here's the result, and it looks  G like everything is OK but the installation verification(?)  Maybe not,  / but more experienced eyes might spot something.u    $ @sys$startup:sqlsrv$shutdown70- Shutting down the Oracle SQL/Services monitors  SQLSRV> Connecting to server ...	 Connectedn Disconnected from Server- Removing Oracle SQL/Services installed imagesg $ @sys$startup:sqlsrv$startup70a% Installing Oracle SQL/Services imagesNL %REGISTER-I-DUP SQLSRV_PRVSHR70, (SQLSRV_PRVSHR, V7.0-6) already in registry< %REGISTER-I-SUMMARY  images examined: 1, dependent images: 1 Starting Oracle SQL/Services SQLSRV> Server started $ mc sqlsrv_manage70 SQLSRV> connect server
 _SQLSRV> ; Connecting to server ...	 Connectede SQLSRV> show server;      Server Version:      7.0//      Server Platform:     Digital OpenVMS Alpha !      Max Shared Mem Size: 2000 Kb.H      Config file:         SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]SQLSRV_CONFIG_FILE70.DAT;1&      Log path:            SYS$MANAGER:&      Dump path:           SYS$MANAGER:       Proc start time:     <none>       Proc shut time:      <none>L      Network Ports:                                     (State)   (Protocol)H        DECnet  object   SQLSRV_SERVER                   Running   NativeH        TCP/IP  port     2199                            Running   Native!      Current shared memory usage: (        Allocation unit:      65536 bytes4        Total memory:       2031616 bytes ( 31 units)4        Free memory:        1835008 bytes ( 28 units)4        Partly allocated:    131072 bytes (  2 units)L      Log File:            SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]SQS_HOBBY_SQLSRV_MON_0070.LOG;F      Dump File:           SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]SQS_HOBBY_SQLSRV_70.DMP;   SQLSRV> show service;qH                                 C l i e n t s          E x e c u t o r sH Name            State    Per-Exec     Max   Active    Min    Max RunningH RMU_SERVICE     RUNNING         1     100        0      4    100       4H GENERIC         RUNNING         1      10        0      2     10       2H SQLSRV_MANAGE   RUNNING       100       0        1      0      0       0 SQLSRV>-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:22:10 GMTm( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>7 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services probleme* Message-ID: <3D40DC81.60007@spammotel.com>   Alder wrote: > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:e > G > That's true, but now I know how :-)  Here's the result, and it looks y > like everything is OK   C I spoke too soon apparently.  I tried invoking interactive SQL and n received some weirdness:   $ SQL :== $SQL$70  $ SQLo Message number 02228011h  F Does anyone recognize where this "message" is coming from and what it : means (aside from the fact that SQL is not being started)?  - Is it DECnet?  It sure doesn't look like DCL.f   Geez.    Alderd   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.408 ************************