1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 409       Contents:! ??== OVMS on a Alpha Server 3000. , Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes building perl on VMS Re: building perl on VMS RE: burst of CI errors. Help.  RE: burst of CI errors. Help.  Re: burst of CI errors. Help. " Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches/ Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ ?  how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively...  Re: how to delete recursively... How to realize the function? Re: how to run man on OpenVMS / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment? 0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report0 Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report" Re: Info message CC-I-QUESTCOMPAREG INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status = %SYSTEM-F-A	CCVIO  Re: ISOs of sigtapes?  Re: ISOs of sigtapes? + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...  Low-level format SCSI disk# Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks # Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks  MIPS and TPS Re: MIPS and TPS Re: MIPS and TPS Re: MIPS and TPS Re: MIPS and TPS% Novice: How to do a tapeless install? ) Re: Novice: How to do a tapeless install? ) Re: Novice: How to do a tapeless install? ) Re: Novice: How to do a tapeless install? ( Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?( Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?( Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?( Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?# Onsite VMS support in Charlotte, NC 
 Open Files Re: Open Files OpenVMS documentation.... ?  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ? + Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow! + Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow! ) OpenVMS Job Opportunities -- Colombia, MD $ OT: Microsoft set-top boxes dial 911( Re: OT: Microsoft set-top boxes dial 911 Re: Perl Modules Re: Perl ModulesE Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env") E Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env") E Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env") E Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env") - Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 1 Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 1 Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 ( Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting( Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting( Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From StartingL Re: Q: Overriding /separate=flag qualifier for DCPS queues on per-job basis? Re: RDB questions 8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).8 Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered). set file/data_check  sftp for OpenVMS Re: sftp for OpenVMS Re: sftp for OpenVMS Re: sftp for OpenVMS Re: sftp for OpenVMS Re: Timing of advertising I Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine I Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine  VMI$CALLBACK Question  VMS for MicroVAX II  RE: VMS for MicroVAX II  Re: VMS for MicroVAX II  VMS IP set password utility?  Re: VMS IP set password utility?  Re: VMS IP set password utility? Warning during compilation Re: Warning during compilation Re: Warning during compilationH Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ? who need a pdp11/20 . Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem. Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem. Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:43:24 +0200 3 From: "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> * Subject: ??== OVMS on a Alpha Server 3000.B Message-ID: <aus-7F8121.18432426072002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  ) Does Open VMS run on a Alpha Server 3000?  CPU 1x 500Mhz 21164-P7 ( EV56 )    --  4 Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 22:49:15 -0700- From: meismann@altavista.net (Martin Eismann) 5 Subject: Re: Announcing the Spring 2002 VMS SIG tapes < Message-ID: <ed4dd3a.0207252149.3309ab96@posting.google.com>   > Glenn, > L > for those, who do (nothing but) disk burning all the day, it would be fine > the get the image B > online. I remember this proposal was issued already in the past. > 
 > eberhard  B I would agree to Eberhard! A downloadable (iso-)image or directory structure would be great!    Regards  Martin Eismann Oracle Rdb Developer & DBA   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:11:27 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>  Subject: building perl on VMS ; Message-ID: <01KKK17Y5NHE96Z0WG@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I I have a lot of experience building 3rd-party software on VMS.  A lot of  D this is VMS-specific stuff from Hunter's site, but some of it, like I LYNX, TEXMF (a quite large package) etc runs on a variety of platforms.   H Generally, I have found that software I am interested in tends to build  OK.   H For various reasons, I am looking into building PERL from source on VMS.F I downloaded the latest "stable" kit from www.perl.com as a zip file, + unzipped it, and found this in README.VMS;1   / More help with configure.com is available from:        @ Configure "-h"   Executing the above results in  ? %DCL-W-IVCHAR, invalid numeric value - check for invalid digits  \\1 = %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  \\= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  \\= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  \\= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  \\= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  \\= %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling  \\I %DCL-W-USGOTO, target of GOTO not found - check spelling and presence of   label  \\CHECK_SILENCE   I There is a lot of hoopla on the perl site about how platform-independent  I the code is supposed to be, that "Use the source, Luke" is the way to go  D etc etc.  On the other hand, there is a link to Craig Berry's "fine J 5.6.1 [i.e. the current "stable" version] easy-to-install release", which A presumably would not be needed if the stuff were REALLY platform   independent.  C Needless to say, when executing verbatim instructions found in the  I README.VMS file results in DCL warnings, my confidence in the package as   a whole is not improved.  D For someone familiar with VMS and third-party software but not with 3 PERL, what is the best way to build it from source?   F (I just submitted Craig Berry's BUILD_PERL.COM, which looks OK at the  moment.)   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:33:52 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ! Subject: Re: building perl on VMS ; Message-ID: <01KKK5MPJDQW96Z0WG@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   L > > For various reasons, I am looking into building PERL from source on VMS.J > > I downloaded the latest "stable" kit from www.perl.com as a zip file,  > G > Oops.  The zip file distributed on CPAN is for Windows.  The .tar.gz  @ > file is for Unix and VMS.  You will get the wrong line ending F > characters with the kit you have.  I thought we had this documented < > somewhere, but apparently do not, for which I apologize.    D There is the usual choice: "Unix systems" and "Microsoft systems".  G Suggestion: mention VMS somewhere in there!  VMS IS mentioned where it  E says that this version compiles "out of the box", but it doesn't say  ( which of the above choices to take.  :-|  	 > Yes, I  I > realize this is quite annoying since most VMS folks are more likely to  I > be familiar with UNZIP than with vmstar and gunzip, but blame Windows,   > not Perl.   C I generally tend to go for ZIP if there is a choice between it and  D tar and/or gzip---I can do UNZIP/LIST without unpacking it, extract H single files (such as a readme) before doing other stuff etc.  Also, if G there are any VMS-file-attribute-specific files in there, ZIP/VMS will  F preserve those attributes, so that's another reason to prefer .ZIP to  tar-gz for VMS stuff.   H Interestingly, I tend to think of .tar-gz as more unix and .zip as more F VMS---Hunter's wonderful site, for instance, has all the stuff zipped.  M > > There is a lot of hoopla on the perl site about how platform-independent  M > > the code is supposed to be, that "Use the source, Luke" is the way to go  H > > etc etc.  On the other hand, there is a link to Craig Berry's "fine N > > 5.6.1 [i.e. the current "stable" version] easy-to-install release", which E > > presumably would not be needed if the stuff were REALLY platform   > > independent. > G > My kit is for those who are unwilling, unable, or too busy to obtain  J > gunzip, vmstar, and the dozen or so extensions I found most interesting   I Actually, I have those.  My motivation for using your package was a) the  H "obvious" thing didn't work (see above for reason) and b) I didn't want I to read through all the instructions if it really does build "out of the  G box".  (Unfortunately, many packages that build "out of the box" don't  8 mention that you have to set up the box properly first.)  @ > and follow the slightly more involved instructions to unpack, G > configure, build, test, and install everything.  There are no source  H > code modifications in my kit; it's only a packaging modification that J > allows you to submit a single command procedure to do the whole thing.     That's what I wanted.   I > Unfortunately the kit is now slightly out of date since it is based on  G > Perl 5.6.1 and 5.8.0 is now out.  I hope to catch up in the next few   > weeks.  F Well, 5.6.1 is apparently the current STABLE release, which is what I  want.   G > (Also, though my kit is a zip file, it is created on VMS and has the  ! > proper line ending characters).   B Right.  I would leave out the "though" in the above sentence.  :-)  G > > Needless to say, when executing verbatim instructions found in the  M > > README.VMS file results in DCL warnings, my confidence in the package as   > > a whole is not improved. > 7 > Unfortunately one has to get the right package first.   G Right.  Unfortunately, as mentioned above it doesn't say which package   is appropriate for VMS!   H > > For someone familiar with VMS and third-party software but not with 7 > > PERL, what is the best way to build it from source?  > G > Get latest.tar.gz if you want 5.8.0; otherwise my kit should be fine.   4 Since my last post here, I've been there, done that.   This makes me feel good:  !    $ sea BUILD_PERL.LOG;1 believe &    It's hard to believe, but I'm done!   On the other hand,    1    $  sea BUILD_PERL.LOG;1/noout/stat "-F-","-E-"      H    Files searched:                 1       Buffered I/O count:         5H    Records searched:            5951       Direct I/O count:          46H    Characters searched:       348404       Page faults:               23K    Records matched:               50       Elapsed CPU time:  0 00:00:00.07 K    Lines printed:                  0       Elapsed time:      0 00:00:00.07   G As one can see, the log file is 5951 lines long, so I don't want to go  D through it line by line.  Should I worry about these error messages?  H If I'm worried about whether or not tests for specific modules were OK, , then I might.  On the other hand, stuff like  0    %MMS-F-NOACCESS, Unable to access file "MMS".    -RMS-E-FNF, file not found    seems rather bizarre.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:53:24 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> & Subject: RE: burst of CI errors. Help.T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660891@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Lyndon,    Re: CI errors ..  H The typical biggie for random errors like this is to ensure unused portsH on star coupler have terminators and all existing connections are tight.    F Other area's to look are the HSJ and system consoles themselves at theD time around the error - this is where a remote console mgmt solution! with soft logging comes in handy.   D Also see if anyone (contractors etc) was in the computer room at theB time who might have been doing work under the floor (pulling power cables or something like that).    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----8 From: Lyndon Bartels [mailto:lbartels@pressenter.com]=20 Sent: July 25, 2002 11:15 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: Re: burst of CI errors. Help.    C This system is an established cluster. Been set up for over a year.   G The data center is an unmanned one, though people do go in it from time  to time.  G Right now, I'm hoping to have the "burst" happen again, so I can try to F establish a pattern... If I can establish a pattern, maybe I can rig aB trigger... If I can rig a trigger, I can start swapping out parts.     Keep the ideas coming....      --=20 G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.     H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't! have to look at the horse's butt.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 07:59:48 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) & Subject: RE: burst of CI errors. Help.3 Message-ID: <QsjxWz5p4NeO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660891@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:	 > Lyndon,  >  > Re: CI errors .. > J > The typical biggie for random errors like this is to ensure unused portsJ > on star coupler have terminators and all existing connections are tight. >  > H > Other area's to look are the HSJ and system consoles themselves at theF > time around the error - this is where a remote console mgmt solution# > with soft logging comes in handy.  > F > Also see if anyone (contractors etc) was in the computer room at theD > time who might have been doing work under the floor (pulling power! > cables or something like that).  >   @ 	This last one is probably the cause.  In > 90% of the CI errorsE 	I have encountered over the years can be blamed on "Networking" guys C 	pulling cables and yanking on those blue ones in the process.  May 1 	not be this in your case too little information.   A 	Leaning this way especially as it was a burst.  If failing part, 1 	it fails.  Find out if someone was in that room.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:15:10 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: burst of CI errors. Help.( Message-ID: <3D41596E.8B1A7DA@127.0.0.1>   Lyndon Bartels wrote:   + > I've run across a puzzling set of errors.  ... # > What else should I be looking at?   " CI Controller revision / firmware?   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:46:21 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> + Subject: Re: CWSB -Remote & -Raise Switches , Message-ID: <3D413680.5020605@theblakes.com>   Oscar wrote:  D >But are they likely to say that they will impliment it when Mozilla >do??	 >uF Yes, but remember that OpenVMS Engineering is one of the many Mozilla 
 contributors.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:16:57 +0200V9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 8 Subject: Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ ?& Message-ID: <3D418409.64775A2@aaa.com>   Hi.c2 On http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ one can now& (can't been there for long ?) docs for Compaq BASIC and Compaq COBOL.  7 Is there any spacial reason why we don't find the other. languages (C, Fortran) there ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:06 -0400l; From: "aniruddha patwardhan" <aniruddha_patwardhan@bmc.com>n% Subject: how to delete recursively...t/ Message-ID: <uk1pd1qa30rhde@corp.supernews.com>t   hiD I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMS0 alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this????   TIA,	 Aniruddhap   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:25:33 +0200P' From: Bitnissen <bitnissen@hotmail.com>t) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively... 8 Message-ID: <hnq1kuosfn9rqbfee482uom8serjflupg4@4ax.com>   Tryo   $delete/log <...>*.*;*  - if you want to confirm the delete add a /conf   
 Best Regards p  
 Jimmi Aakjaer     ; On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:06 -0400, "aniruddha patwardhan" c% <aniruddha_patwardhan@bmc.com> wrote:k   >hioE >I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMSI1 >alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this????  >S >TIA,S
 >Aniruddha >T   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:45:25 +0100s( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively...e) Message-ID: <3D410C25.85ADCE86@127.0.0.1>    aniruddha patwardhan wrote:& >  > hiF > I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMS2 > alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this????   Look for DELTREE.COM  - http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.htmlp   -- o? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:12:42 +0000 (UTC)u% From: John Forkosh <john@invalid.com>o) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively... , Message-ID: <ahr3qa$d2t$1@reader3.panix.com>  ) Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:  : aniruddha patwardhan wrote:f : >  : > hiH : > I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMS4 : > alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this????   : Look for DELTREE.COM :d/ : http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.htmla  : Or, if goodbye.dir is what you want to delete recursively,6 just set def to the directory immediately above it and    $ delete [.goodbye...]*.*;*A Then if you get any errors trying to delete nonempty directories,O@ just up-arrow and do it again (and again) until it runs cleanly. Then, finally,    $ delete goodbye.dir; -- n> John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:38:11 +0010-% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aua) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively...r5 Message-ID: <01KKK9394GWI000P5G@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>t   John Forkosh wrote:m  * >Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote: >: aniruddha patwardhan wrote: >: > t >: > hidI >: > I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMSc5 >: > alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this????g >m >: Look for DELTREE.COMn >:0 >: http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html  & Or CSWING which is on the Freeware CD.    ; >Or, if goodbye.dir is what you want to delete recursively,r7 >just set def to the directory immediately above it and  >   $ delete [.goodbye...]*.*;*eB >Then if you get any errors trying to delete nonempty directories,A >just up-arrow and do it again (and again) until it runs cleanly.X >Then, finally,$ >   $ delete goodbye.dir;n   $ set prot= o:rwed [...]*.diro( $ delete [...]*.*;*,*.*;*,*.*;*, - ! ...  8 The above should have 8 items in total, but I'm lazy :-)  K Hmm, now we can go lower, so increase the number of items.  Can DELTREE or c CSWING?n   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:42:09 +0000 (UTC)r From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively...]+ Message-ID: <ahrcih$qjd$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>s  ] In article <01KKK9394GWI000P5G@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:- >John Forkosh wrote: >-+ >>Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote:, >>: aniruddha patwardhan wrote:m >>: >  >>: > hiJ >>: > I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMS6 >>: > alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this???? >> >>: Look for DELTREE.COM >>:a1 >>: http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html  > ' >Or CSWING which is on the Freeware CD.i >n   Or better still use DFU-   eg  0 DFU DEL/TREE/DIR   device:[dir1.dir2]goodbye.dir  A This will do it very fast compared to the other methods if any ofn6 the sub-directories contain gigantic numbers of files.   This is available on g  : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/dfu027a/  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex university     >e< >>Or, if goodbye.dir is what you want to delete recursively,8 >>just set def to the directory immediately above it and  >>   $ delete [.goodbye...]*.*;*C >>Then if you get any errors trying to delete nonempty directories,&B >>just up-arrow and do it again (and again) until it runs cleanly. >>Then, finally, >>   $ delete goodbye.dir; >@ >$ set prot= o:rwed [...]*.dir) >$ delete [...]*.*;*,*.*;*,*.*;*, - ! ...0 >K9 >The above should have 8 items in total, but I'm lazy :-)o >xL >Hmm, now we can go lower, so increase the number of items.  Can DELTREE or  >CSWING? >u >Regards, Paddys   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:26:18 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>s) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively... ( Message-ID: <3D415C0A.2860B42E@ohio.edu>  ; To delete disk:[junk] and all things it contains, start by:    $ DELETE DISK:[JUNK...]*.*.*  Y which will complain about all the non-empty directories, but delete all the other files. iS Then, if you have sufficient privilege, you can just use the up-arrow to recall theWY command and give it again to delete the directory files that are for directories that ares3 now empty.  Repeat as needed.  Finally, complete byY    $ DELETE DISK:[000000]JUNK.DIR.1  V If, on the other hand, you don't have sufficient privilege, you have to take the extra step ofY  7 $ set file disk:[junk...]*.dir;1/protection=owner:rwed L   and then repeat the    $ DELETE DISK:[JUNK...]*.*.*  ; command as needed, followed by deleting the JUNK.DIR file. e   				RDP      aniruddha patwardhan wrote:  >  > hiF > I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMS2 > alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this???? >  > TIA, > Aniruddhau   -- tB ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 07:52:15 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively...h= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0207260652.134f6476@posting.google.com>-  r "aniruddha patwardhan" <aniruddha_patwardhan@bmc.com> wrote in message news:<uk1pd1qa30rhde@corp.supernews.com>... > hiF > I want to delete a directory structure recursively. I am finding VMS2 > alternative for rm -rf. How to go about this???? >  > TIA, > AniruddhaE    F Get DFU from the freeware CD. If you don't have the actual CD, look or; it at www.openvms.compaq.com for it. Once it's installed...        $ DFU DEL/DIR/TREE blah.dir   F will delete all files and directories within and including blah.dir inF the optimal order. It is very fast. The down side is that if you abortF it before it finishes, you will be left with a real mess of lost filesF and/or "no such file" directory entries. Aborting DELETE [...]*.*;* or9 the standard DELTREE.COM will leave undeleted files okay.a     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman. afeldman gfigroup coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:52:44 -0400 ; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>h) Subject: Re: how to delete recursively...t$ Message-ID: <3d417e88$1@news.si.com>  ; >Or, if goodbye.dir is what you want to delete recursively,i7 >just set def to the directory immediately above it anda >   $ delete [.goodbye...]*.*;* B >Then if you get any errors trying to delete nonempty directories,A >just up-arrow and do it again (and again) until it runs cleanly.    Or use  ? $ delete [.goodbye...]*.*;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,;*,[]goodbye.dir;d   for a one-line solution. --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.como= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventI< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 10:54:32 -0700# From: llhuall@hotmail.com (llhuall) % Subject: How to realize the function?u; Message-ID: <69255cb.0207260954.d5ae2da@posting.google.com>e  F In lat environment, Create a service name MAINMENU on vax machine ONE.9 there is an executable application MAINMENUAPP on VAX ONEuB when operator input " lacal>> CONNECT MAINMENU"  on a terminal, it= will automatically run MAINMENUAPP without input username and 	 password.a   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:28:40 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)a& Subject: Re: how to run man on OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <9h5cWVATH3MV@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  g In article <ujvurj5q74vtf6@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes:n	 > Hi All,, > M > My application is written 'C' and it creates Mailbox (a virtual device used G > for communication among process) and child process. It has calls likeu  > SYS$CREMBX, SYS$ASSIGN ...etc. > J > How do I get more information information about these system service. ItI > there any utility that would display the manual pages (just like man ont > UNIX)  > N > Can someone provide sample program as to how go about creating mail box etc.  )    Why the hell would help be called man?   B    You can get a lot of what you need from help (think English andD    you'll quickly find most commands).  And examples tend to live in    sys$examples:  H    You can get the rest from the on line docs, the printed docs (if yourD    site has either of those), or the web site docs.  And you'ld knowA    where that web site was if you read the FAQ, but I'll tell you -    because it's a good place to get the FAQ: c     http://www.openvms.compaq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:14:14 +0100h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>l8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?8 Message-ID: <s112kuk39uh52bu5h84mj90tau6h8q1dbs@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:43:21 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:a   >Phillip Helbig wrote:5 >> Job-interview test:  Give the developer this file:  >> a >>    $  EXIT 32 >nJ >At home, I would know something is wrong since I wouldn't hear the "beep"H >coming from the console in the adjoining room. Whenever I try to access4 >something I can't, it generates an audit alarm. :-)  A You secure your home systems against yourself and then audit your-D attempted security violations? Watch out or you might have to escort% yourself off the premises one day :-): -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:53:45 +00104% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au38 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?5 Message-ID: <01KKK9MPTLTU000P5V@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   M >We can watch how/what they do.  We can watch from the safety of lifeboats as1L >the VMS ship sinks or sails. But as long as uncertainty remains, lifeboats  aret% >safer than staying committed to VMS.d  N I thought in many instances they were no safer than staying on the (T)itanic. K But then I avoided the recent blockbuster, since I had so much enjoyed the  # Kenneth More "A Night to Remember".    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:22:47 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?3 Message-ID: <mSP$mIED71$+@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  ` In article <s112kuk39uh52bu5h84mj90tau6h8q1dbs@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > C > You secure your home systems against yourself and then audit youroF > attempted security violations? Watch out or you might have to escort' > yourself off the premises one day :-)   =    I know my kids can screw up all my home systems, except myo>    VMScluster.  They screw up the Macs and the Linux bix on a F    regular basis.  But oh, if my security log ever catches them trying1    something on VMS, they are gonna hear from me.e   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 02 15:28:03 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?) Message-ID: <tYUUveOWkzOj@elias.decus.ch>-  c In article <AdTU5jiTu7xa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Xn > In article <b10654c6.0207250634.50970414@posting.google.com>, colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) writes:| >> "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@hp.com> wrote in message news:<jyG%8.487851$o66.1319781@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...K >>> In my user-level and system-level coding experience I have not *needed*IP >>> privs to do my work.  However, to setup such an environment has also taken aJ >>> lot of work and maintenance.  You haven't described exactly what theirP >>> complaints are, but perhaps the environment they have inherited is difficultN >>> to work in without privs.  Perhaps it is the environment that needs fixing4 >>> and turning on privs is just a quick workaround? >>> 	 >>> Matt.- >> a >> Matt, >>  H >> You've really all but hit the nail on the head.  The environment as aH >> whole I find to be kludged and unorganized.  Production runs off of aH >> disk (different sub-directory) that holds the development code.  I've > C > Having development on the same machine as production leads to the A > temptation to let developers run their tests against the "real"s > data.s  F It is only since the mid 1990's that I have had the luxury of separate) development, test and production systems.e  J Before that I found that separate groups for each environment was the bestF solution, using group logical names to ensure that the correct data is	 accessed.o  O In my travels I have occasionally been surprised to find that the group concept N has been totally ignored, thus forcing the use of ACLs where groups could have offered a cleaner solution.)   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandb   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:28:49 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>g8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?, Message-ID: <3D415CA0.31C6528B@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:tC > You secure your home systems against yourself and then audit your F > attempted security violations? Watch out or you might have to escort' > yourself off the premises one day :-):  D This system used to serve as an email hub to exchange sensitive bankN information and was accessible via dial-up, so I have the right security setupK for it. And sicne I find those alarms to help debug problems (which file is G being accessed when my program fails etc), I left them on. Besides, theeL machine is not accessible from internet, so if someone succeeds in loging it. via telnet, I want to see what they try to do.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 02 15:39:14 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?) Message-ID: <6ogxLoLd9Fyu@elias.decus.ch>a  W In article <uk0acembol60b6@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:n< > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:8z5bm1AK6CK0@eisner.encompasserve.org...1@ >> In article <b10654c6.0207241121.575437f3@posting.google.com>,0 > colive@technologEase.com (Chris Olive) writes: >> > [snip]F >>    And I've always been miffed by "insufficient privilege or objectD >>    protection violation".  It should have been "object protection > violationCG >>    or insufficient privilege".  As a result I often get requests fortJ >>    more privilege, when what is really needed is a correction to a file >>    protection.  >> > I > I once had a programmer come to me and say "I need more privileges!  MyaJ > program keeps failing with 'access violation'".  He's now managing group" > homes for the mentally retarded. >    LOL!  L We once instigated a purge on privileges. It was plain that many of them had? been issued through laziness or even as an indicator of status.-  I One project leader was soon screaming down the phone that one of his guys O really needed whatever privilege we had snatched back. This guy was really good  and could be trusted etc etc.u  J Our point of view was as simple as the fact that one of those applicationsO as delivered would not run in the test environment because file ownerships were1; incorrect. We wanted kits that worked to arrive. We won :-)@   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:32:04 GMTa* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow report-C Message-ID: <E1609.286864$iX5.14487127@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>h  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagee7 news:d7791aa1.0207251721.46fb5d06@posting.google.com...    ...h   > I also got a fewK > hints about the alpha team goodies waiting to be sprung in chivano, righte1 > around the time when vms port is fully completek  H Oh, shit:  has port completion now slipped to 2005?  That's the earliestJ Chivano was *ever* supposed to show up (and more recently it seems to haveH slipped out to 2006, with perhaps a yet-unnamed version in 2005 that mayK incorporate some EV7-style on-chip glue around the same old McKinley core).w   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 06:53:25 -07001 From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com (Sue Skonetski) 9 Subject: Re: HP "OpenVMS Path to Itanium" Roadshow reportr= Message-ID: <857e9e41.0207260553.304b4ad4@posting.google.com>   C Folks I am officially out of the office but I wanted to get back tot you on a couple of things.    The Roadshow is US only (so far)* Calfornia is in the planning for the fall. I am still checking about NY  C Just so you know I have been forwarding your feedback to the peoplee responsible for the Roadshow.o  
 Warm Regards,s Sueu          ` F Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3D3DCF4B.8459438D@videotron.ca>...; > > >   This decision was mentioned in the context of beingo> > > >   a direct contrast to the strategic decision made three; > > >   years ago to (only?) promote VMS in specific marketj. > > >   segments like telecom and health care. > Q > When will Stallard's infamous memo be covertly changed to reflect this change ?e   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 07:14:44 -0700! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro)i+ Subject: Re: Info message CC-I-QUESTCOMPAREM= Message-ID: <d5440555.0207260614.3b996e51@posting.google.com>   2 "Ed Vogel" <ed.vogel@compaq.com> wrote in message B > The QUESTCOMPARE message is issued because the compiler believesH >     the code may not run as you expect.  In the code you are comparing  F I'm not discussing the use of the message, it makes perfectly sense. I@ just wanted to know how to get rid of it, because it gave me theE feeling that something is not completely right. Imho, this is _still_eE a warning message, as I'd call informational only a message like 'heywB im doing all fine passed step one' so no need to bitch about it as5 long i asked the correct code (see also the subject).,  A So I did, I put the U after the hex and it all ran fine. I didn'trF modify the /stand=vax (yes it had that switch) because this problem isB about recompiling _very_ old code, and I feared opening the can ofD worms :) So I try to keep the changes minimal, as I'm not at all the big VMS programmer myself.   Thanks a lot to all,   Sorinm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:18:37 +0200 ( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>P Subject: INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status = %SYSTEM-F-A	CCVIOC Message-ID: <86BE4031AD3CD611AC170008C7F37BC2472B71@wt15.wt.tno.nl>l   Hi,v  ; does anyone know where the following error might come from:E  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-JUL-2002 10:12:58.65  %%%%%%%%%%%$ Message from user INTERnet on WTSL22F INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status = %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO  L It is put in the operator.log whenever a request is made to the Samba serverL running on this PWS Au600 (OVMS 7.2), being it initilizing the connection or opening a file on that share./   Regards,   Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:52:19 -0400C From: G Everhart <ge@gce.com>e Subject: Re: ISOs of sigtapes?& Message-ID: <3D415413.5030404@gce.com>  H If someone is interested in hosting images of the sigtapes, get in touchM with me (everhart@gce.com). My connection is dialup, not fast enough to serve> such things.  U Note too that the sigtape CDs go out in VMS format (ODS-2 to be exact). I burn copiesyU from the virtual disk container files, which could be downloaded if someone wanted to P do so. Alternatively a backup saveset of the whole distribution could be served,P or a zip file of everything, or it could be transcribed to an ISO9660 disk. I'veU been able to burn ISO CDs of the sigtapes that have long filenames which are readable R by VMS, Windows, and Linux, taking care to make a zip file of the .obj files first so they can be used.  Y Someone able to host such a beast would be welcome to contact me. I would be delighted to  cooperate...   Glenn Everhart everhart@gce.com VMS tapecopy coordinator   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:15:33 GMTc From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGe Subject: Re: ISOs of sigtapes?0 Message-ID: <00A11815.D7583C84@SendSpamHere.ORG>  F In article <3D415413.5030404@gce.com>, G Everhart <ge@gce.com> writes:I >If someone is interested in hosting images of the sigtapes, get in touchhN >with me (everhart@gce.com). My connection is dialup, not fast enough to serve
 >such things.s >jV >Note too that the sigtape CDs go out in VMS format (ODS-2 to be exact). I burn copiesV >from the virtual disk container files, which could be downloaded if someone wanted toQ >do so. Alternatively a backup saveset of the whole distribution could be served,cQ >or a zip file of everything, or it could be transcribed to an ISO9660 disk. I've V >been able to burn ISO CDs of the sigtapes that have long filenames which are readableS >by VMS, Windows, and Linux, taking care to make a zip file of the .obj files first@ >so they can be used.  > Z >Someone able to host such a beast would be welcome to contact me. I would be delighted to
 >cooperate...- >- >Glenn Everhart- >everhart@gce.com2 >VMS tapecopy coordinatorP >I     Glenn,  K I'd be happy to host a copy.  In fact, I have a fifth InfoServer-1000 Tower K here with a full 7 CDroms (RRD46s) that hasn't yet found a "permanent" loc-<L ation in the VAXcave for the other CDs you sent me.  I've a T1 into the VAX-K cave now too so there would be several times the bandwidth that you've got m dialup.V   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            e5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:53:56 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...B Message-ID: <8m609.369262$vq.20684738@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  F Thanks for the the straight-from-the-hip answers.  One of them made meG question whether one of my questions was ambiguous, so I'll clarify it:   < "Brannon Batson" <Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:4495ef1f.0207251517.7e3440bc@posting.google.com...l7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message0? news:<ARu%8.296638$Im2.15278341@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>....   ...w  B > > My own impression was that the 2004 date was if anything a bit
 conservative,oE > > given the amount EV8 had already slipped (in part because EV7 hads
 slipped soL > > much - perhaps both largely due to neglect by Compaq, but that's not the > > point of *this* question), >  > No, not conservative.e  I What I meant was that the 2004 ship date for EV8 seemed if anything a bituG unaggressive - i.e., that it seemed an eminently feasible target to hit I (which is not the same thing as saying 'easy' - just very realistic giveniK hard work and the rate of progress already evident).  Does your answer meansJ that you felt it *was* so aggressive that there was a good chance it wouldL have slipped into 2005, or that you did not interpret my question as I meant it?    Thanks,r   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:45:10 GMT5& From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@attbi.com>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...( Message-ID: <3D416057.144F5BB@attbi.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > H > Thanks for the the straight-from-the-hip answers.  One of them made meI > question whether one of my questions was ambiguous, so I'll clarify it:a > > > "Brannon Batson" <Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 > news:4495ef1f.0207251517.7e3440bc@posting.google.com...-9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message0A > news:<ARu%8.296638$Im2.15278341@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...t >  > ...n > D > > > My own impression was that the 2004 date was if anything a bit > conservative,6G > > > given the amount EV8 had already slipped (in part because EV7 hadt > slipped soN > > > much - perhaps both largely due to neglect by Compaq, but that's not the  > > > point of *this* question), > >s > > No, not conservative.s > K > What I meant was that the 2004 ship date for EV8 seemed if anything a bitoI > unaggressive - i.e., that it seemed an eminently feasible target to hitdK > (which is not the same thing as saying 'easy' - just very realistic givenvM > hard work and the rate of progress already evident).  Does your answer mean L > that you felt it *was* so aggressive that there was a good chance it wouldN > have slipped into 2005, or that you did not interpret my question as I meant > it?n > 	 > Thanks,e >  > - bill  E Given that EV8 was aborted early in the first trimester, asking BB to D grade the predicted DOB is rather like asking your parish priest howB many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  But, in the spirit ofA such academic discussions, let me point out that the original FRSq> predictions for EV8 did not assume that any resources would beE siphoned off to make EV7 come to pass, and that incremental siphoningHB of that type has not always caused project managers (EV8 or other) to directly update schedules.> -- n Cheers, Bob2   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:18:14 -0700! From: soterro@yahoo.com (Soterro)t# Subject: Low-level format SCSI disk = Message-ID: <d5440555.0207260718.7041a01c@posting.google.com>t   Hello,  F I have a dual-boot Digital Personal Workstation 600au with OpenVMS and Tru64.C I got some ex-AS/400 hard-disks formatted with the 520-bytes sectoriE size. Not good, I need 512 (I had to install Linux to figure out whata the problem is :)e  C They are nice disks, so I have to low-level format them somehow, isoD there a utility under one of those two operating systems to do that?  6 Or is there a way to do it at booting time under SRM? D (I have also a PW 500a, but AlphaBIOS doesn't want to do anything on off-line disks)e  
 Thanks a lot,M   Sorin Costea   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:43:43 -0400e- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>r, Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks0 Message-ID: <3D41601F.2CB0680B@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > Jonathan Boswell wrote:aP > > One other thing...  Aren't drive housings made of aluminum?  I don't believeO > > aluminum can shield the disk surfaces, or anything else inside, from static O > > magnetic fields.  It could act like a Faraday cage and shield from electrice > > fields, though.B >  > %RQP-E-RQSTCHK, request checku* > -PERS-E-INCONDET, inconsistency detected > < > Is not a Faraday cage intended to shield the contents fromI > electromagnetic induction? (Example: your AM radio falls silent under a:
 > bridge.)  I Yes, that is correct, and that is why I specified "static magnetic field"eL above.  Higher frequency electromagnetic waves (such as radio waves) will beH shielded by induced electric fields in a good conductor which completelyM surrounds shielded components.  But DC magnetic fields will go right through.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:24:56 -0400m- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> , Subject: Re: low-level formatting SCSI disks0 Message-ID: <3D4169C8.1E87603B@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Chris Scheers wrote:8 > For the VLC, at the ">>>" prompt use "TEST/UTIL SCSI".  P Thank you Chris!  That does the trick.  (Or it would have done the trick had theP disk not gotten worse.  It will no longer spin up.)  For the record, a TEST/UTIL" SCSI brings up the following menu:   1 - SCSI-flp_key 2 - SCSI-tp_key) 3 - SCSI-hd_dis_eras 4 - SCSI-flp_fmt  L I presume we want menu item 3.  Entering a 3 yields questions on SCSI ID andD LUN, and then the hard disk erase utility finally comes up and asks:  	 DKA0 OK ?*  N You must reply "OK" to this question or else the utility terminates.  I wastedL considerable time answering "Yes" in various ways before trying the obvious. (:-)    - JBp   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:07:01 +0530># From: "Vivek Soni" <visoni@bmc.com>i Subject: MIPS and TPSa/ Message-ID: <uk25ufo52nueee@corp.supernews.com>a  H Did Compaq provided MIPS rating for its VAX & Alpha processor till a few years back?t  H Processor ratings of the VAX and ALPHA are now in terms of TPS ..on this	 site.....e  9 Does Compaq still holds MIPS ratings for its processors ?y  # And How is TPS different from MIPS.e   Thanks in Advnance Vivek    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:10:02 +0200s9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>y Subject: Re: MIPS and TPSI' Message-ID: <3D414A2A.1D7D8779@aaa.com>m   MIPS, TPS, VUPS, whatever...  ) MIPS = Million *instructions* per second.s9 TPS  = *Transactions* per second (whatever *that* is...).o6 VUPS = how many times faster is *this* system compared#        with a VAX 11/750 (I think).l  ? If you want to compare to systems of the same "family" it realyi4 don't matter that much what you use to measure them.  B I usualy use this page to compare different VAX or Alpha systems :  ; http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_tps.html8  < And, what realy matters is how *your* application performes.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Vivek Soni wrote:o > J > Did Compaq provided MIPS rating for its VAX & Alpha processor till a few
 > years back?o > J > Processor ratings of the VAX and ALPHA are now in terms of TPS ..on this > site.....o > ; > Does Compaq still holds MIPS ratings for its processors ?- > % > And How is TPS different from MIPS.  >  > Thanks in Advnance > Viveko   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:13:39 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>o Subject: Re: MIPS and TPS B Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020726071250.00b19150@raptor.psccos.com>  2 At 07:10 AM 7/26/2002, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: >MIPS, TPS, VUPS, whatever...g > , >MIPS =3D Million *instructions* per second.< >TPS  =3D *Transactions* per second (whatever *that* is...).9 >VUPS =3D how many times faster is *this* system comparedj% >        with a VAX 11/750 (I think).   / "VAX Unit of Performance".  1 VUP =3D 1 11/780..   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "Outside a dog, a book is man's best  |J | Principal Engineer            |   friend.  Inside a dog, it's too dark |J | Process Software              |   to read."                            |J | http://www.process.com        |                     -- Groucho Marx    |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:39:42 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>p Subject: Re: MIPS and TPSl8 Message-ID: <fon2kugc15kidn7o2uoljgtk242ls8v2l8@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:10:02 +0200, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com> wrote:   >MIPS, TPS, VUPS, whatever...c >s* >MIPS = Million *instructions* per second.: >TPS  = *Transactions* per second (whatever *that* is...).7 >VUPS = how many times faster is *this* system comparedm$ >       with a VAX 11/750 (I think).  # VAX 11/780 was the one VUP machine.      -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:12:41 -0400t1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>e Subject: Re: MIPS and TPSu2 Message-ID: <3D4166E9.41F7BFD9@firstdbasource.com>   Vivek Soni wrote:  > J > Did Compaq provided MIPS rating for its VAX & Alpha processor till a few
 > years back?w > J > Processor ratings of the VAX and ALPHA are now in terms of TPS ..on this > site.....l > ; > Does Compaq still holds MIPS ratings for its processors ?0 > % > And How is TPS different from MIPS.e >  > Thanks in Advnance > VivekV    C Alpha's are descibed in BIPS *Billions of instructions per second".1  @ BIPS/MIPS are how many CPU instructions per second are executed.  H TPS are how many database transactions (read, insert, update, etc..) can the system process per second. --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163k7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comTE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlc/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:27:28 -0000o+ From: m_thompson@ids.net (Michael Thompson)). Subject: Novice: How to do a tapeless install?/ Message-ID: <uk2g1gsfdeq497@corp.supernews.com>k  P I have a VAX-3540 with a fresh install of OpenVMS 7.2. I would like to use this 2 machine to install OpenVMS on some tapeless VAXen.  E Where do I look for the procedures to install OpenVMS across the net?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:32:22 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>2 Subject: Re: Novice: How to do a tapeless install?) Message-ID: <3D414F66.10FF13D1@127.0.0.1>b   Michael Thompson wrote:i > Q > I have a VAX-3540 with a fresh install of OpenVMS 7.2. I would like to use thiso4 > machine to install OpenVMS on some tapeless VAXen.  G With appropriate cluster licences, you can MOP boot the system into the  cluster.  N http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/4477/4477pro_013.html#build_cluster  G > Where do I look for the procedures to install OpenVMS across the net?c  C The above link (which is working for me at the time I posted this).e   -- h? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences0 nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:45:01 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)@2 Subject: Re: Novice: How to do a tapeless install?3 Message-ID: <DeWgiVvg$RpT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <uk2g1gsfdeq497@corp.supernews.com>, m_thompson@ids.net (Michael Thompson) writes:aR > I have a VAX-3540 with a fresh install of OpenVMS 7.2. I would like to use this 4 > machine to install OpenVMS on some tapeless VAXen. > G > Where do I look for the procedures to install OpenVMS across the net?   &    In the Guide to Installing OpenVMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:49:27 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e2 Subject: Re: Novice: How to do a tapeless install?, Message-ID: <3D416174.ABC4D0A0@videotron.ca>   Michael Thompson wrote:n > Q > I have a VAX-3540 with a fresh install of OpenVMS 7.2. I would like to use thisd4 > machine to install OpenVMS on some tapeless VAXen.  J Create a cluster with the 3540 as a boot node. Boot the fresh vax into theK cluster. Make sure that the fresh vax has its page/swap file on the 3540 so I that its disk drive is unused. The 3540 now has access to the fresh vax's  disk.   L From the 3540, you can then BACKUP/INIT/IMAGE the "B" saveset onto the fresh5 vax. This gives you the core of VMS onto the new vax.n  K If the fresh vax has multiple disk drives, or its system drive is big, then L you can copy the remaining savesets onto the fresh vax, reboot the fresh vaxL from its own drive and tell it that the VMS installation savesets are on its1 own drive. Installation will continue from there.v  J If the fresh vax doesn't have sufficient disk space, then you will need toM take the cluster authorisation files from the 3540's directory that feeds theaJ fresh vax and copy it to the fresh vax. You take a good look at the system5 parameters for the freshvax (MC SYSGEN SHOW/CLUSTER).R  L From SYSGEN, you can then USE <full file spec> of the system parameters fileM that came with the "B" saveset installed on the fresh vax and set the cluster.K parameters. (and then use the WRITE <full file spec> to update that file one the freshvax).  L So, you then reboot the freshvax. It boots from the files delivered with theN "B" saveset, and with the cluster parameters you manually set. This means thatG freshvax will be part of the cluster and have access to the 3540's diskeB drives. When you boot comletes, it automatically continues the VMSK installation and asks you where the distribution is located and you specifyl the disk drive on the 3540.y  K DISCLAIMER: I have not verified that the stuff delivered with the B savesettL has sufficient clustering capability to allow the node to join a cluster and mount another node's drives.    N In the end though, you may find it much simpler to temporarily plug in a CDrom drive and install from there.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:39:28 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-1 Subject: Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?c8 Message-ID: <cc22ku8rp90d6775iemui718d65999mstn@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:24:19 -0700, Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com> wrote:   > : >Between phone tag and all the built-in delays, we are nowC >running close to a week per cycle.   In addition, the descriptionsu  F You wee lucky. We had our Consolidated Distribution updates mistakenlyF left off a contract and when we tried to add it back we were told thatE the VMS update subscriptions were no longer in the Compaq price list!v1 It took several weeks for them to add it back in.t  @ >are so terse that it is often unclear exactly what I am getting? >with a particular part number.   For example, I was quoted the,D >following for Alpha/VMS and single-concurrent-user BASIC (language) >license update service: > A >    QLMT1AE6R  OVMS/ALPHAsvr 400/1000 BASE           192.00/yeartA >    QL0Y7AEAA  CPQ BASIC V/A TRAD LIC                708.00/year  >eB >It strikes me as odd that the single-user BASIC update service is" >3.7 times the VMS update service. > ? >Is there any online resource that I can access that will allow)B >me to research this myself?   I spent several hours searching theC >Compaq/HP/VMS web sites, but cannot find anything remotely helpful  >in this effort. >l= >I am at the mercy of a salesperson who really isn't all that C >familiar with the products and services, although she really triesO> >to be helpful.   It appears that even she doesn't have online >access to this information. >-: >It almost seems that HP doesn't WANT to sell us services. >o >Alanl >dK >-- Alan E. Frisbie              Abuse@NelsonUSA.com (Yes, that's correct!)g >-- Nelson Nameplate Company >-- 2800 Casitas Avenue.2 >-- Los Angeles, CA 90039        323-663-3971 x286   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:07:45 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>1 Subject: Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?2) Message-ID: <3D413B91.34E6FD9E@127.0.0.1>    Alan Frisbie wrote:e > A > We let our VMS (and layered products) services contract expire,r= > and are now trying to reinstate it.   It is turning into anh > exercise in frustration. ...a; > Between phone tag and all the built-in delays, we are nowiD > running close to a week per cycle.   In addition, the descriptionsA > are so terse that it is often unclear exactly what I am gettingh@ > with a particular part number.   For example, I was quoted theE > following for Alpha/VMS and single-concurrent-user BASIC (language)- > license update service:i > B >     QLMT1AE6R  OVMS/ALPHAsvr 400/1000 BASE           192.00/yearB >     QL0Y7AEAA  CPQ BASIC V/A TRAD LIC                708.00/year > C > It strikes me as odd that the single-user BASIC update service isg# > 3.7 times the VMS update service.   9 A "V/A TRAD LIC" is *not* a single concurrent user price!e  5 http://www.compaq.com/EMEA/software/uk/cobasovms.html-  @ You'll see you've been quoted a price for a departmental server.  F I can't help you with the prices, but you can cross reference you partF numbers somewhere off here (they are the same part number world-wide):  $ http://www.compaq.com/EMEA/software/  B A VAR could give you better prices, and maybe even better service.   -- y? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:24:40 +0200e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 1 Subject: Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?r' Message-ID: <3D414D97.3974BB12@aaa.com>   8 Took me 3 minutes to find the Compaq Basic SPD, where it7 says as below. So you have been quoted a "Capacity Use"d9 license. Ask for a "QL-095AA-2B" ("named user") or single $ copy of (QL-095AA-3*) ("conc. use").  - And, if you havn't found it yet, check also :n? http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/basic/basic_index.htmlh     Jan-Erik Sderholm.0   ORDERING INFORMATION(  Compaq BASIC for OpenVMS Alpha Systems:   Software Licenses:     Personal Use: QL-095AA-2Bi     Concurrent Use: QL-095AA-3*g     Capacity Use: QL-0Y7A*-**e-     Software Media/Documentation: QA-03XAA-H8g2     Software Documentation (hardcopy): QA-0Y7AA-GZ*     Software Product Services: QT-0Y7A*-**     > Alan Frisbie wrote:d > >aC > > We let our VMS (and layered products) services contract expire,m? > > and are now trying to reinstate it.   It is turning into ana > > exercise in frustration. > ...a= > > Between phone tag and all the built-in delays, we are nowrF > > running close to a week per cycle.   In addition, the descriptionsC > > are so terse that it is often unclear exactly what I am gettingoB > > with a particular part number.   For example, I was quoted theG > > following for Alpha/VMS and single-concurrent-user BASIC (language)h > > license update service:a > > D > >     QLMT1AE6R  OVMS/ALPHAsvr 400/1000 BASE           192.00/yearD > >     QL0Y7AEAA  CPQ BASIC V/A TRAD LIC                708.00/year > > E > > It strikes me as odd that the single-user BASIC update service isf% > > 3.7 times the VMS update service..   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:13:01 -0700g( From: Alan Frisbie <Abuse@NelsonUSA.com>1 Subject: Re: Online Sofware & Services "catalog"?m+ Message-ID: <3D41750D.AEC64C@NelsonUSA.com>o   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:a  : > Took me 3 minutes to find the Compaq Basic SPD, where it9 > says as below. So you have been quoted a "Capacity Use" ; > license. Ask for a "QL-095AA-2B" ("named user") or singleo& > copy of (QL-095AA-3*) ("conc. use").  > We are not trying to buy the original license.   We are trying> to get annual update service.   The licenses are listed on the< web site, but not update services.   I still cannot find any@ online resource that helps with determining the prices for that.  < It does appear that the salesperson quoted us the wrong part< number.   I called her, and had to argue for several minutes> before she agreed that 095 was an acceptable UPI for an Alpha.< This is exactly why I want to find a current version (online3 or printed) of the old Software & Services catalog!e   HP, are you listening?   Alan  J -- Alan E. Frisbie              Abuse@NelsonUSA.com (Yes, that's correct!) -- Nelson Nameplate CompanyE -- 2800 Casitas Avenue1 -- Los Angeles, CA 90039        323-663-3971 x286    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:05:54 -0400i1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>n, Subject: Onsite VMS support in Charlotte, NC2 Message-ID: <3D417362.40E56027@firstdbasource.com>   All,  F I may be accepting a permanent position in the next week or so and mayD be relocating out of state.  I have a client in South Charlotte thatF needs occasional onsite support and I may need to locate a replacementC for this client.  I will continue to provide dial-in support on the:H application (very stable since 1989 and vested to Alpha in 2001).  ThereH are some web-enabled features they are now using and I plan on providing that support as well.r  C If you are interested, please drop me a note for the particulars.  h -- o Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163 7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comgE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.html / 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:26:36 GMTr' From: shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org (Shawn)  Subject: Open Filest- Message-ID: <3d413159.1003863@news.verio.net>y  E I have an Alpha Server running OpenVMS 7.2-1 which has 4 Shadow Sets.     A Everytime I shutdown the server, one of the Shadow Sets Dismounts-D itself improperly.  It doesn't matter if I do it manually or let the
 system do it.   E Is there any commands anyone knows of, other than Show Sys which will D let me see the files that are currently opened and still being used.D I suspect that a file is not closed on this particular Shadow Set or that there is a hung process..     Thanks,C   Shawnl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:33:19 +0200 2 From: "Ren Schelbaum" <rene.schelbaum@datakom.at> Subject: Re: Open FileseG Message-ID: <3d41337d$0$26320$91cee783@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>h  : "Shawn" <shawnm@cotepe.carenet.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag' news:3d413159.1003863@news.verio.net...,G > I have an Alpha Server running OpenVMS 7.2-1 which has 4 Shadow Sets.* >n >tC > Everytime I shutdown the server, one of the Shadow Sets DismountstF > itself improperly.  It doesn't matter if I do it manually or let the > system do it.a >tG > Is there any commands anyone knows of, other than Show Sys which will F > let me see the files that are currently opened and still being used.F > I suspect that a file is not closed on this particular Shadow Set or > that there is a hung process.t >  >h	 > Thanks,p >c > Shawnf >e   Hi!a  $ Try SHOW DEVICE / FILES <devicename>  L It lists all open files on that specific device and which app accesses them!   Ren   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 05:40:29 -0700+ From: david.m.gray@bigfoot.com (David Gray)C$ Subject: OpenVMS documentation.... ?= Message-ID: <4da983bf.0207260440.7c4d09e9@posting.google.com>   9 Does anyone know an alternate location for online OpenVMS-E documentation?  The link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ hasp been broken for a few days.P  	 Regards, e David.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:01:49 +0000 (UTC), From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?+ Message-ID: <ahrh7t$rt3$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>3  k In article <4da983bf.0207260440.7c4d09e9@posting.google.com>, david.m.gray@bigfoot.com (David Gray) writes:j: >Does anyone know an alternate location for online OpenVMSF >documentation?  The link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ has >been broken for a few days. >-
 >Regards,  >David.'   It's been working fine for me.3 However you can also access the same pages through r  " http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:15:26 +0100 * From: "Craig Cooke" <ccooke@beta.dabs.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?% Message-ID: <3d41460c$1@194.70.94.92>-  8 "David Gray" <david.m.gray@bigfoot.com> wrote in message7 news:4da983bf.0207260440.7c4d09e9@posting.google.com...l; > Does anyone know an alternate location for online OpenVMS G > documentation?  The link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ hast > been broken for a few days.r >c
 > Regards, > David   	 Hi David,*   It appears to work for me. .n -- Craig Cookea   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:25:48 +0200e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>t( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?' Message-ID: <3D414DDC.AC41D037@aaa.com>2  	 It isn't.: Jan-Erik Sderholm   David Gray wrote:i > 7 > The link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ hasD > been broken for a few days.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:17:53 -0400t5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?2 Message-ID: <8UtBPWcDF6jQ1jRRcA6MJRiex8s4@4ax.com>  ! I can access that link just fine.s   David R. Beatty   D On 26 Jul 2002 05:40:29 -0700, david.m.gray@bigfoot.com (David Gray) wrote:  : >Does anyone know an alternate location for online OpenVMSF >documentation?  The link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ has >been broken for a few days. >t
 >Regards,  >David.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:47:44 +0100d% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?8 Message-ID: <isn2kuobdabkn2uocmg8g2u75887nocb3c@4ax.com>  D On 26 Jul 2002 05:40:29 -0700, david.m.gray@bigfoot.com (David Gray) wrote:  : >Does anyone know an alternate location for online OpenVMSF >documentation?  The link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ has >been broken for a few days.  C Works fine for me but many corporate firewalls will block access tolF any web port other than 80 - the default. As the docs are at port 8000 this may be your problem.s  F I had to get port 8000 specifically enabled on our corporate firewalls
 for instance.s  
 >Regards,  >David.l   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:28:04 +0100-* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?, Message-ID: <ahrppa$1a4a@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:isn2kuobdabkn2uocmg8g2u75887nocb3c@4ax.com...  E > Works fine for me but many corporate firewalls will block access to H > any web port other than 80 - the default. As the docs are at port 8000 > this may be your problem.y  : If so, try the docs at: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:17:54 +0100 (MET)r9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>h4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!; Message-ID: <01KKJVPIJJNM9870E1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>S  G > and I also heard their university free license program is going well,   @ It depends on how you define it.  I saw a chart once of all the J universities which had signed up for the NEW academic license programme.  > It is a large number, comparable to the number with DECcampus.  I However, in the old days, a university with DECcampus probably had a VMS aH account for several thousand students, used VMS a lot for many purposes H etc.  I know one guy who signed up for the new license programme; he is G a VMS guy from way back who now has to do other things and is happy he  F now has a possibility to legally and cheaply use that old VMS machine  under his desk.1  H In other words, "number of sites" is a no-brainer.  The important thing " is the number of people using VMS.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 02 16:13:55 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)e4 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Itanium tour update II ... wow!) Message-ID: <W$8bMiRUzmBp@elias.decus.ch>s  w In article <01KKIVV2XXM496Y2PR@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:a >> they 5 >> definitely will market it now ... to niche marketsu >> and ecommerce ...   > K > Any reason as to this restriction?  When I was working in England, I was GH > surprised at first to hear that BMW UK was ARTIFICIALLY narrowing its I > marketing and simultaneously limiting imports since it feared that, if dI > too many people drove BMWs, it would lose its exclusive image and thus  J > hurt sales long-term.  :-|  VMS, however, lives from its strength alone 8 > and not from its image, though it is rather exclusive.  K BMW UK has been doing that for years. My only BMW was a 318i, bought in NL.oL They UK refused to import that model because they wanted to keep the quantumM leap in price and status between the 316 (4 cylinders, single headlights) anda) 320/323 (6 cylinders, double headlights).M  H Mercedes UK also used to price their entry level model artificially highO compared to the rest of their range, as a barrier to entry. I once rented a 190sO out of Heathrow on a special offer. Unable to find the foglight switch I calledtI in at my local MB garage and asked. The salesman demanded to know who was N renting Mercs out, and got quite hot under the collar about it. Apparently the0 only way you got to drive one was by buying one!  M Having said all that, the UK market was for a long time heavily skewed by theyA company car culture, which was a direct result of the tax system.a  K This led to the car reflecting the status of your job, rather than personaloE choice with your own money, so I don't think the comparison is valid.d  J (Now the tax system has changed to penalise company cars, it will no doubt/ change, although that will no doubt take time)..   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:59:31 +0000m2 From: John Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>2 Subject: OpenVMS Job Opportunities -- Colombia, MD3 Message-ID: <20020726155930.A4283@eisenschmidt.org>e  	I was contact by Donna Thomas from Roxtel who is looking to hire 8 people with OpenVMS skills in Colombia, MD. I thought some of you might be interested. The position information is below, please contact her directly at donna.thomas@roxtel.com if you're interested.d  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------a   The task requires the skillsets listed below. All persons would be needed full-time for 6-9 months, with strong potential for add-on work, if talent provided is suberb.  Application is in Interstate Transportation Systems (ITS). Location is in Columbia, MD.  Work will be on site.  No relocation expenses will be reimbursed.  These needs are critical skillsets, so background must match requirements completely.  For immediate consideration, please forward resume with salary requirements to Donna Thomas at donnI a.thomas@roxtel.com as soon as possible.  These openings won't last long.t  ! X/Motif programming, specificallyBw - experience porting X/Motif code to Windows platform using X-emulator COTS SW such as Hummingbird Exceed or Nutcracker z - experience integrating a third-party graphics drawing tool, such as Dataviews or SL GMS, into an X/Motif GUI application  * Crystal Reports/Seagate Info, specifically? - maintaining existing reports (reverse-engineering, modifying)m* - upgrading Crystal Reports product family6 - potential travel to Boston required for installation  % ODBC server design and implementationt/ - OpenAccess and OpenRDA  experience preferableex - specifically, expand existing ODBC interface between existing custom application and existing custom non-ODBC database - specifically, implementing cross-platform ODBC bridge between existing custom application on OpenVMS and third-party ODBC DB (Sybase) on Windows platform   9 And the ever-present OpenVMS programmer (need 6 of these)n - C language requiredu - FORTRAN desiredo
 - C++ desiredsg - specifically, experience upgrading layered products, network, and custom apps from OpenVMS 6.x to 7.xn  % Technical writer(s) (need 2 of these)i - design documentation - Software operations manualsn - Software maintenance manuals - Testing documentation  - training documentation+ - Software programming experience desirablea+ - technical engineering background requiredo  6 Testers, many of them, for the early part of next yearu - short-term, Boston-based baseline and regression testing of feild devices interfaces using existing test procedureSn   -- -/ John W. Eisenschmidt <jweisen@eisenschmidt.org>i6  Homepage URL    | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisenM  GPG Public Key  | http://www.eisenschmidt.org/jweisen/misc/jeisenschmidt.asc/D  GPG Fingerprint | 5F9B F916 5AD1 3295 CF99 BC1E 1F97 E6A3 37E3 BEF2  O This mail is an attachment? Read http://www.jensbenecke.de/misc/outlook.en.htmle   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:34:46 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> - Subject: OT: Microsoft set-top boxes dial 911e8 Message-ID: <83n2ku00kjlk42qqbe30j3l4o918gu4icf@4ax.com>  ? More problems with embedding MS software in control systems. Be-E afraid, be very afraid. Wonder when the first navy destroyer incidentb( will be put down to email attachments...  D http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/07/24/msntv.prank.reut/index.html   Extract:  * Microsoft: Prank forces MSN TV to dial 911, July 24, 2002 Posted: 3:52 PM EDT (1952 GMT)  E SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Microsoft Corp. has discovered:D that some users of its MSN TV service have downloaded a program thatE makes their set-tops dial the 911 emergency number instead of regular / dial-up numbers, a spokeswoman said Wednesday. y  E Microsoft issued a patch Tuesday night for the program, which arriveso= in an attachment to an e-mail. When opened, it shuts down thee: computer, changes the dial-up setting and then dials 911.      -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:12:18 -0400o1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> 1 Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft set-top boxes dial 91102 Message-ID: <3D4174E2.7AEC7FE0@firstdbasource.com>   Alan Greig wrote:n <snip>  HG > Microsoft issued a patch Tuesday night for the program, which arrivesu? > in an attachment to an e-mail. When opened, it shuts down thee; > computer, changes the dial-up setting and then dials 911.m >  > -- > Alan  E Quote from my 16 yr old son: "I can see that as an emergency -- usingt MSN...".   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163t7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comhE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmla/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)g   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:17:52 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Perl Modulesr+ Message-ID: <ahrb50$q1h$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   b In article <843706dc.0207251313.15f7af28@posting.google.com>, horn@shsu.edu (James T Horn) writes:E >Is there anything needs to be done to get CPAN working on an OpenVMS-( >7.3 system? I have tried the following: > I You might want to look at Chuck Lane's perl pages (The sites mostly aboutvE the crinoid Perl server which works with the OSU webserver on VMS butr. it also has some good stuff on building Perl) $ http://www.crinoid.com/perl560.htmlx  - This includes a section on "Making CPAN work"y  E I managed to get CPAN to work as far as downloading was concerned buto@ couldn't get it to automatically build test and install modules.  H You can also of course just go to the CPAN site and download the modules with FTP (or HTTP).e  F I'm hoping that the PERL 5.8.0 CPAN will build and operate better than it does with Perl 5.6.0e      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex university      
 >use CPAN;2 >autobundle, clean, install, make, recompile, test >l$ >and am getting the following error: >a >CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded okh >Fetching with LWP:a9 >  ftp://archive.progeny.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gzd< >LWP failed with code[500] message[FTP close response: 000 ] >Fetching with Net::FTP:9 >  ftp://archive.progeny.com/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gzN >Cannot open Local file G >perl_root:[lib.CPAN.storage.sources.authors]01mailrc.txt.gz: i/o error % > at /perl_root/lib/CPAN.pm line 2141a8 >Couldn't fetch 01mailrc.txt.gz from archive.progeny.com >a, >Anyone doing the CPAN to keep Perl Updated?R >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<ahou1j$2ma$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...j >> In article <8PR%8.3769$EL6.43725@news.kpnqwest.fi>, "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> writes:M >> >Does anyone know if there are following modules for perl 5.6.1 on OpenVMSa >> >alpha 7.2-2 ?r >> > >> >Net::FTP,DBI,Net::Telnet >> >( >> >If so, where can these be obtained ? >> >
 >> >-Kari- >> > >> 1@ >> The standard place for all perl modules - cpan (www.cpan.org)G >> Note. Perl modules are pretty much platform agnostic. In general the L >> same perl module will build and work on any platform - of course a moduleO >> for accessing VMS queues probably won't build or if it did wouldn't be much r >> use on a non-vms system etc >> 1 >>   >> o4 >> For the Net::FTP you will want the libnet bundle. >>   >>  7 >> Alpha1:typ/pa perl_root:[000000]LIBNET-1_0703.README  >> 4A >> libnet is a collection of Perl modules which provides a simple-@ >> and consistent programming interface (API) to the client side7 >> of various protocols used in the internet community.D >> 4> >> For details of each protocol please refer to the RFC. RFC's: >> can be found a various places on the WEB, for a staring >> point look at:o >>  B >>     http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Standards/RFCs/ >>  / >> The RFC implemented in this distribution aree >> c9 >> Net::FTP        RFC959          File Transfer Protocole@ >> Net::SMTP       RFC821          Simple Mail Transfer Protocol3 >> Net::Time       RFC867          Daytime Protocoll0 >> Net::Time       RFC868          Time ProtocolA >> Net::NNTP       RFC977          Network News Transfer Protocolr9 >> Net::POP3       RFC1939         Post Office Protocol 3e@ >> Net::SNPP       RFC1861         Simple Network Pager Protocol >> $F >> The distribution also contains a module (Net::PH) which facilitatesG >> comunicate with with servers using the CCSO Nameserver Server-Cliento >> Protocol  >> a >> FUTURE WORK >> g >> AVAILABILITYi >> sH >> The latest version of libnet is available from the Comprehensive Perl< >> Archive Network (CPAN). To find a CPAN site near you see: >> d >>     http://www.perl.com/CPANm >> t >> tG >> (Net::Telnet doesn't appear to be in this bundle so you will have to * >> get the Net::Telnet module separately). >> d >> sM >> Similarly for database access you will need the DBI module and appropriateo >> DBD modules from CPAN.  >> p4 >> Alpha1:typ/pa perl_root:[DBI-1_20]DBI-1_20.README >> r2 >> DBI - The Perl Database Interface by Tim Bunce. >> i/ >> Copyright (c) 1994-2000  Tim Bunce  England.s >> !E >> See COPYRIGHT section in DBI.pm for usage and distribution rights.9 >> 0 >> RECENT NEWS:r >> gF >>     The DBI comes bundled with DBI::Shell, DBD::ADO, DBD::Proxy and@ >>     DBI::ProxyServer modules. Those are still alpha releases. >> wD >>     Note that recent additions to the DBI spec (marked *NEW*) mayG >>     take a little while to be fully supported by individual drivers.P >> e >> QUICK START GUIDE:- >> -J >>     The DBI requires one or more 'driver' modules to talk to databases.J >>     Check that a DBD::* module exists for the database you wish to use.C >>     Read the DBI README then Build/test/install the DBI by doing4 >>             perl Makefile.PLa >>             makem >>             make test >>             make installl >>   >>  N >> Note. There are now probably later versions of these modules than the ones  >> mentioned above.f >> fJ >> Note also that Perl 5.8.0 has now been released see http://www.perl.org >>  P >> Haven't had a chance to try this out yet. But the developers have been sayingA >> that this release was going to be a great improvement for VMS.  >> - >> - >> - >> - >> -
 >> David Webb2 >> VMS and Unix team leaderr >> CCSSg >> Middlesex University.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:14:52 -0400.; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>n Subject: Re: Perl Modules7$ Message-ID: <3d4183b7$1@news.si.com>  J >Does anyone know if there are following modules for perl 5.6.1 on OpenVMS >alpha 7.2-2 ?  $ Don't forget, Perl 5.8.0 is now out. --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com*A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventr< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:16:38 +0100i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>sN Subject: Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env")8 Message-ID: <4912kugb38b3j6bfkpeblv2835fur6eaue@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:04:46 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:.   >Brian Tillman wrote:FO >> The additional advantage to using ACLs instead of UICs for access control isa= >> that with UIC-based control, quotas never come out right.   >vK >Do commercial VMS shops really still bother with quotas ? I can understandS. >universities needing them, but corporations ?  A Well one thing it will stop is a runaway job filling up an entire  disk.d -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:11:40 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>N Subject: Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env")) Message-ID: <3D41589C.5C4B9EA9@127.0.0.1>,   JF Mezei wrote:o >  > Brian Tillman wrote:P > > The additional advantage to using ACLs instead of UICs for access control is= > > that with UIC-based control, quotas never come out right.n > L > Do commercial VMS shops really still bother with quotas ? I can understand/ > universities needing them, but corporations ?   < If you have usage based billing, quotas can have their uses.   -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesn nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:31:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.N Subject: Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env"), Message-ID: <3D416B32.5322703D@videotron.ca>   Nic Clews wrote:N > > Do commercial VMS shops really still bother with quotas ? I can understand1 > > universities needing them, but corporations ?e > > > If you have usage based billing, quotas can have their uses.  4 Do companies still bother about billing for usage ?   N I can understand in the old days billing for CPU, IO, TAPE, PAPER, DISK usage.I Those resources were scarce and departments had no choice. But in today'sBJ environment, is that still popular ? If you nickel and dime someone, won't? they likely just buy some wintel server and run it themselves ?e  I I would have thought that in todays's environments, the "mainframe" folkseC would just set a fixed price for an application to run based on itshS requirememts and not really bother with nickel and diming for actual cpu etc usage.   J Doesn't accounting add a lot of overhead, not only on the system, but moreE specifically on the staff who have to generate the reports, bill eache2 department for that month's actual usage etc etc ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:15:57 -0400e; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>aN Subject: Re: Philosophical use of ACLs (related to "setting up a VMS dev env")$ Message-ID: <3d4183f9$1@news.si.com>  K >Do commercial VMS shops really still bother with quotas ? I can understand . >universities needing them, but corporations ?  4 Of course corporations use them.  Why wouldn't they? -- .A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com<= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent<< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 03:09:52 -07002 From: dugald_peacock@yahoo.com.au (Dugald Peacock)6 Subject: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3= Message-ID: <fcdcb36b.0207260209.15fda81f@posting.google.com>    Helloo  E I have inherited two Powerstorm 300 video cards and I wish to use one < in my OVMS PC164 Alpha.  However, when I replaced my currentC Powerstorm 4D20 with a Powerstorm 300 and booted my Alpha with OVMS > 7.3 I got the following message (retyped from serial console).  E %GBDRIVER-I LOADED, P3XX Driver loaded on GBA0 for Head 1, TR 2, Slott 7.7 %GBDRIVER-F-NOTMAPPED Could not map CSRs, status = 2044(C %GBDRIVER-F-NOTMAPPED Could not map texture memory, status = 0x2044a  D So assuming the card was faulty I swapped it with the other card andD got the same message.  Believing that I need to install some specialF drivers for the Powerstorm 300 series cards, I grab a spare disk driveC and attempted to install a new version of VMS.  But I also receivedk/ error message with OVMS 7.3 installation CDRom.n   Environment Summaryi6 2 x ISP1020 SCSI cards (Installed in 2 x 32 bit slots)D Powerstorm 300 VGA jumper set to VGA disabled.  (Installed in 64 bit slot)r Digital AlphaPC 164 500 Mhzl SRM Console: V5.5-1p! Palcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.2.1-9 4 Open3D licence in addition to the hobbyist licences.  7 Can I use the Powerstorm 300 series with PC164 alpha?  e  F What do I need to do get the Powerstorm 300 series card to function asA I wish to use the Opengl 1.1 extensions supported with this card?t   Thanks   Dugald   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:46:06 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>u: Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.38 Message-ID: <7sg2kucue6jmf3q5g5r3oe6tsok91mdjti@4ax.com>  B On 26 Jul 2002 03:09:52 -0700, dugald_peacock@yahoo.com.au (Dugald Peacock) wrote:a   >Hello >RF >I have inherited two Powerstorm 300 video cards and I wish to use one= >in my OVMS PC164 Alpha.  However, when I replaced my currentrD >Powerstorm 4D20 with a Powerstorm 300 and booted my Alpha with OVMS? >7.3 I got the following message (retyped from serial console).- >-F >%GBDRIVER-I LOADED, P3XX Driver loaded on GBA0 for Head 1, TR 2, Slot >7.t8 >%GBDRIVER-F-NOTMAPPED Could not map CSRs, status = 2044D >%GBDRIVER-F-NOTMAPPED Could not map texture memory, status = 0x2044  > See the following messages. I recall Fred has posted that someA graphics cards are only supported on EV6 and later systems. Can'tx recall if this is one of them.  > There are patches for OpenVMS the latest concerning graphics: b http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-vms73_graphics-v0100--4.README says:s*   - To be installed on all systems runningE                                  the listed version(s) of OpenVMS andi@                                  using the following feature(s):  ;                  One of the following graphics controllers:   2        	   	  o  ELSA Gloria Synergy (SN-PBXGK-BB)1      		  o  JIB graphics controller (3X-DEPVD-AA)f"      		  o  Trifecta (3X-DEPVZ-AA)(     		  o  PowerStorm 3D30 (SN-PBXGB-AA)(     		  o  PowerStorm 4D20 (SN-PBXGB-CA)*     		  o  3Dlabs Oxygen VX1 (SN-PBXGF-AB)'     		  o  PowerStorm 300 (SN-PBXGD-AD)q2                    o  PowerStorm 350 (SN-PBXGD-AE)          t Search Result 10 O2 From: Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam)- Subject: OpenVMS, and PowerStorm 300 and 350 t% Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, comp.sys.decO5 View: Complete Thread (5 articles) | Original Format r Date: 2000/05/22 e  x  D   The OpenVMS graphics device driver kit for the PowerStorm 300 and A   PowerStorm 350 series graphics controllers is now available for    OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1:e  8     ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/*       dec-axpvms-vms721_p350-v0100--4.html  2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------t/    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringi hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com    E >So assuming the card was faulty I swapped it with the other card andtE >got the same message.  Believing that I need to install some specialuG >drivers for the Powerstorm 300 series cards, I grab a spare disk drive D >and attempted to install a new version of VMS.  But I also received0 >error message with OVMS 7.3 installation CDRom. >- >Environment Summary7 >2 x ISP1020 SCSI cards (Installed in 2 x 32 bit slots)wE >Powerstorm 300 VGA jumper set to VGA disabled.  (Installed in 64 bito >slot) >Digital AlphaPC 164 500 Mhz >SRM Console: V5.5-1" >Palcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.2.1-95 >Open3D licence in addition to the hobbyist licences.. >s8 >Can I use the Powerstorm 300 series with PC164 alpha?   >-G >What do I need to do get the Powerstorm 300 series card to function as@B >I wish to use the Opengl 1.1 extensions supported with this card? >D >Thanks0 >l >Dugaldj   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:41:50 GMT.5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>y: Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.31 Message-ID: <25e09.16$Kc.433202@news.cpqcorp.net>v  G You got it.  The driver tried to map the CSR's in flat address mode andl failed.y    2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:7sg2kucue6jmf3q5g5r3oe6tsok91mdjti@4ax.com...D > On 26 Jul 2002 03:09:52 -0700, dugald_peacock@yahoo.com.au (Dugald > Peacock) wrote:  >- > >Hello > >1H > >I have inherited two Powerstorm 300 video cards and I wish to use one? > >in my OVMS PC164 Alpha.  However, when I replaced my currentpF > >Powerstorm 4D20 with a Powerstorm 300 and booted my Alpha with OVMSA > >7.3 I got the following message (retyped from serial console).s > > H > >%GBDRIVER-I LOADED, P3XX Driver loaded on GBA0 for Head 1, TR 2, Slot > >7.1: > >%GBDRIVER-F-NOTMAPPED Could not map CSRs, status = 2044F > >%GBDRIVER-F-NOTMAPPED Could not map texture memory, status = 0x2044 >.@ > See the following messages. I recall Fred has posted that someC > graphics cards are only supported on EV6 and later systems. Can'tu  > recall if this is one of them. >e? > There are patches for OpenVMS the latest concerning graphics:t > L http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-vms73_gr aphics-v0100--4.README > says:t, >   - To be installed on all systems runningG >                                  the listed version(s) of OpenVMS andtB >                                  using the following feature(s): >s= >                  One of the following graphics controllers:. >/2 >             o  ELSA Gloria Synergy (SN-PBXGK-BB)1 >        o  JIB graphics controller (3X-DEPVD-AA)a" >        o  Trifecta (3X-DEPVZ-AA)( >       o  PowerStorm 3D30 (SN-PBXGB-AA)( >       o  PowerStorm 4D20 (SN-PBXGB-CA)* >       o  3Dlabs Oxygen VX1 (SN-PBXGF-AB)' >       o  PowerStorm 300 (SN-PBXGD-AD)l4 >                    o  PowerStorm 350 (SN-PBXGD-AE) >n >i >n >s >  > Search Result 104 > From: Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam). > Subject: OpenVMS, and PowerStorm 300 and 350' > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, comp.sys.decv6 > View: Complete Thread (5 articles) | Original Format > Date: 2000/05/22 >s >aE >   The OpenVMS graphics device driver kit for the PowerStorm 300 andmC >   PowerStorm 350 series graphics controllers is now available forg >   OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1:o >o: >     ftp://ftp.service.digital.com/public/vms/axp/v7.2-1/, >       dec-axpvms-vms721_p350-v0100--4.html > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringa > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >.G > >So assuming the card was faulty I swapped it with the other card andyG > >got the same message.  Believing that I need to install some speciallI > >drivers for the Powerstorm 300 series cards, I grab a spare disk drivehF > >and attempted to install a new version of VMS.  But I also received2 > >error message with OVMS 7.3 installation CDRom. > >r > >Environment Summary9 > >2 x ISP1020 SCSI cards (Installed in 2 x 32 bit slots)/G > >Powerstorm 300 VGA jumper set to VGA disabled.  (Installed in 64 bits > >slot) > >Digital AlphaPC 164 500 Mhz > >SRM Console: V5.5-1$ > >Palcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.2.1-97 > >Open3D licence in addition to the hobbyist licences.h > >N8 > >Can I use the Powerstorm 300 series with PC164 alpha? > >aI > >What do I need to do get the Powerstorm 300 series card to function as3D > >I wish to use the Opengl 1.1 extensions supported with this card? > > 	 > >Thanksy > >n	 > >Dugald  >  > -- > Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:24:42 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e1 Subject: Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From StartingT3 Message-ID: <fqPWOt2DBqjq@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  ` In article <eQS%8.13$Yw7.212013@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes:L > Be aware that, beginning with OpenVMS 7.3-1, the ACME_SERVER is a required6 > system process serving SYS$ACM system service calls.  H    What is Wiley Coyote doing in my future VMS system?  (I know what CIA<    and ICBM stand for in the kernel, what the heck is ACME?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:19:55 +0200 E From: Jan C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vorbr=FCggen?= <jvorbrueggen@mediasec.de> 1 Subject: Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Startingr+ Message-ID: <3D415A8B.50346E0D@mediasec.de>4  J >    What is Wiley Coyote doing in my future VMS system?  (I know what CIA> >    and ICBM stand for in the kernel, what the heck is ACME?)  I I would like to know as well. There are also some references elsewhere to  ACME...T  I I presume you also know that the CIA won't go without the KGB and the NSA  in the VMS kernel?   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2002 11:45 CDTt' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)D1 Subject: Re: Preventing ACME_SERVER From Starting - Message-ID: <26JUL200211451903@gerg.tamu.edu>   c In article <fqPWOt2DBqjq@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org writes...:a }In article <eQS%8.13$Yw7.212013@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com> writes: M }> Be aware that, beginning with OpenVMS 7.3-1, the ACME_SERVER is a requiredC7 }> system process serving SYS$ACM system service calls.R } I }   What is Wiley Coyote doing in my future VMS system?  (I know what CIAb= }   and ICBM stand for in the kernel, what the heck is ACME?)i  J I'm not certain what the "E" is, but ACM is Authentication and CredentialsG Management. The "E" is probably "Executive" (or maybe "Eisteddfod", butt I doubt it).   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 02 15:00:05 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)oU Subject: Re: Q: Overriding /separate=flag qualifier for DCPS queues on per-job basis?E) Message-ID: <Fd7CwRgA1NXy@elias.decus.ch>e   In article <00A116A7.40B4EFD4@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  > Comp.os.vmsers --C > / > VMS 7.2-2  (on DS20E, but I doubt it matters)B
 > DCPS 1.2 > 5 > My DCPS execution queues are defined like this one:o > ( > sho que 120_mailroom$120_mailroom/fullB > Printer queue 120_MAILROOM$120_MAILROOM, idle, on SSRL::.LPS120,+ > mounted form DCPS$DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT)nA >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DCPS$DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT))DA >   /NOENABLE_GENERIC /LIBRARY=DCPS_LIB Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] H >   /PROCESSOR=DCPS$SMB /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE) >   /SEPARATE=(FLAG) >  > O > To me, it's obvious that on a printer shared by multiple users, you want flag 0 > pages so that you can tell whose job is whose. > O > However, every so often, some of my users decide that flag pages are evil and K > want to print without them.  (One batch of users even included "takes two8K > sheets of paper to print a one-page document" as one of their reasons forcQ > wanting to abandon a working VMS application in favor of developing an NT-baseds
 > one.  Yow.)g > P > So I want to let users opt out of flag pages - if they're willing to  take theP > additional risk that their document will get mixed up with somebody else's, toO > let them do it.  But I want flag pages to be the default, because they're (toi  > me) obviously the Right Thing. > ; > Is there a way to do this (on the same physical printer)?e >  > While you can do >  > $ PRINT /NOFLAGr > O > it doesn't override the /SEPARATE=FLAG setting on the execution queue.  (This . > is correctly documented in the online help.) > P > [I could find this one out by trying, but if anybody knows I'd rather save theO > effort: If I define a generic queue with /SEPARATE=(NOFLAG) will that settingI/ > override the setting on the execution queue?]  >   O Why not simply set up another queue without the /SEPARATE=FLAG, pointing to the 
 same printer?   M I haven't actually tried this from a single system, but after a recent officeiH move, I am now sharing a printer with another group, who use a different9 cluster. My queues are set up with /FLAG, their's aren't.5  N The net result appears to be what you are after. My jobs have a flag page, the other group's don't.    I > If you want to try to persuade me that flag pages on printers shared by N > dozens of people are, in fact, evil, go ahead, but you'll have to be awfully
 > persuasive.a >   M Not gonna try :-) My PC print jobs go to a printer shared by many more folks.pH It's not only tedious separating jobs, but all too easy to walk off withA someone else's printouts sandwiched between a couple of your own.   O The latter can be a security / confidentiality issue. More than once I have had:H to enquire who has my printout because I don't want it left lying by the printer overnight.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2002 22:41:32 -0700- From: meismann@altavista.net (Martin Eismann)s Subject: Re: RDB questions< Message-ID: <ed4dd3a.0207252141.61b1d2d2@posting.google.com>   > >e- > >ALso why install SQL Services? What is it?d > N > As another poster said, it's the component that talks SQL on the network (orN > to other processes in the same machine).  The ODBC driver is implemented as % > a SQL Services client, for example.   F With SQL/Services (including Oracle's SQL*Net for Rdb) you are able toB work with the OCI-Interface (Oracle Call Interface) used by Oracle@ Forms & Reports ; additionally you can work with ODBC Databases!   Regardsg Martin Eismann Oracle Rdb Developer & DBA   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:44:58 +0100 , From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>A Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).o5 Message-ID: <ahqulq$ulhu7$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>b  
 Two ways :B TCPIP : you can start a job on Barney via an rsh command from FredK DECnet : you can execute a procedure on Barney (defined as a DECnet object)c by5             OPEN NET BARNEY::"TASK=object" from Fred.?   -- Regards, Rainer Giese    A "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag ( news:3D4077A8.2E937644@pressenter.com...3 > Here's a problem, that will hopefully be easy....t >f >dH > Say I have two VMS machines. "Fred" and "Barney". They are on the sameI > wide area network, and via DECnet and TCP/IP, they know and can talk ton) > one another. ("Set Host", "ping", etc.)  >tI > I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how longiA > it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new and- > different task on "Barney."a > H > I know I could run a batch job on Barney looking for a file, then haveB > Fred ftp a small "flag" file... But that seems wasteful to me... >o7 > This is VMS... Anything's possible with VMS... right?s >. >> > Thanks in advance, >o > Lyndon > --I > My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myp > employer.  >c >sJ > The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't# > have to look at the horse's butt..   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 07:54:13 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgA Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered). 3 Message-ID: <VkIhAaqtdbTK@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  _ In article <3D4077A8.2E937644@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:7H > Say I have two VMS machines. "Fred" and "Barney". They are on the sameI > wide area network, and via DECnet and TCP/IP, they know and can talk toa) > one another. ("Set Host", "ping", etc.)e > I > I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how long1A > it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new andh > different task on "Barney."  > H > I know I could run a batch job on Barney looking for a file, then haveB > Fred ftp a small "flag" file... But that seems wasteful to me...   There are lots of ways...M  + On the TCP side of the house, there is rsh.I  A Depending on your TCP stack, you can play various games with FTP:a  F o Set your login.com to check for a particular file and execute/deleteE   it if found.  FTP to Barney to create the file.  Then FTP to Barneyo   to re-execute login.com.   o QUOTE SITE SPAWN some-commandn  A o FTP a file to a spooled pseudo-device whose associated queue isr   SYS$BATCHi  A If you have an http server running on Barney you might be able to  trigger a CGI script.n  6 On the DECnet side you can play various games as well:  G o Copy a file over to Barney and then $ SUBMIT /REMOTE Barney::filenameo  F o Copy a file over to Barney via DECnet using a 3GL and set the submit   on close option.  < o Set your login.com to check for a particular file and thenB   execute/delete it if found.  DECnet to Barney once to create the>   file.  Then create enough concurrent DECnet requests so thatA   a new server process is created on Barney, thus triggering your-   login.comr  B o Use DECnet task to task, e.g. $ TYPE BARNEY::"TASK=trigger-file"/   or $ COPY trigger-file BARNEY::"TASK=SYS$NET"t  B o Build your own DECnet task to task application and use it.  e.g.   TELL BARNEY some-vms-command   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:07:40 -0400v From: William_Bochnik@acml.comA Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).,> Message-ID: <OFB63D8103.01BDDC3B-ON85256C02.0048040D@acml.com>  < I'd set up rsh or decnet to copy a command file to Fred, and? submit it.  I'd then have the job on Fred copy and submit a jobX back on Barney.n      n                                                                                                               n                       Lyndon Bartels                                                                          n                       <lbartels@presse                To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@SMTP@SCB                     n                       nter.com>                       cc:                                                     n                                                Subject: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).  n                       07/25/2002 11:11                                                                        n                       PM                                                                                      n                       Please respond                                                                          n                       to Lyndon                                                                               n                       Bartels                                                                                 n                       <lbartels@presse                                                                        n                       nter.com>                                                                               n                                                                                                               n                                                                                                                     1 Here's a problem, that will hopefully be easy....t    A Say I have two VMS machines. "Fred" and "Barney". They are on the- same? wide area network, and via DECnet and TCP/IP, they know and cana talk toz' one another. ("Set Host", "ping", etc.)   > I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how long? it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new andt different task on "Barney."a  A I know I could run a batch job on Barney looking for a file, thenB have@ Fred ftp a small "flag" file... But that seems wasteful to me...  5 This is VMS... Anything's possible with VMS... right?d     Thanks in advance,   Lyndon --A My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with thoseD of myA	 employer.5    > The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is	 you don'tc! have to look at the horse's butt.c               The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the@ use of the person(s) named above.  If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this-{ message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictlyr prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 06:10:11 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)A Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered)..= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0207260510.4eddc60d@posting.google.com>v  d Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message news:<3D4077A8.2E937644@pressenter.com>...3 > Here's a problem, that will hopefully be easy....  >  > H > Say I have two VMS machines. "Fred" and "Barney". They are on the sameI > wide area network, and via DECnet and TCP/IP, they know and can talk toa) > one another. ("Set Host", "ping", etc.)  > I > I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how longAA > it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new ando > different task on "Barney."  > H > I know I could run a batch job on Barney looking for a file, then haveB > Fred ftp a small "flag" file... But that seems wasteful to me... > 7 > This is VMS... Anything's possible with VMS... right?f >  >  > Thanks in advance, u >  > Lyndon    < I think what you want is SUBMIT/REMOTE. Place an approrprateF SUBMIT/REMOTE command in the command procedure on Fred so that it runs! just before that procedure exits.n   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman gfigroup coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:28:46 +0200.9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> A Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).c' Message-ID: <3D414E8E.6254B061@aaa.com>D  6 I'v used DELIVER to automate this kind of tasks a lot.7 DELIVER is a do-something-whenever-a-mail-arrives tool.P  " Can (of course :-) ) be found on :) http://www.process.com/openvms/index.html)   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:m > K > > I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how long0C > > it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new and5 > > different task on "Barney."a   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:41:49 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)rA Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).73 Message-ID: <NUlgZyZb2Jkw@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  _ In article <3D4077A8.2E937644@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:p3 > Here's a problem, that will hopefully be easy....  >  > H > Say I have two VMS machines. "Fred" and "Barney". They are on the sameI > wide area network, and via DECnet and TCP/IP, they know and can talk to ) > one another. ("Set Host", "ping", etc.)h > I > I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how longrA > it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new ande > different task on "Barney."v > H > I know I could run a batch job on Barney looking for a file, then haveB > Fred ftp a small "flag" file... But that seems wasteful to me... > 7 > This is VMS... Anything's possible with VMS... right?   @    Of course it is.  The last thing the job on Fred should do isC    submit/remote barney::something.com to start the task on Barney.a   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 02 16:31:57 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)aA Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).3) Message-ID: <DJ09s3V8Xrxu@elias.decus.ch>s  n In article <343f30ae.0207260510.4eddc60d@posting.google.com>, SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) writes:f > Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> wrote in message news:<3D4077A8.2E937644@pressenter.com>...4 >> Here's a problem, that will hopefully be easy.... >> @ >> rI >> Say I have two VMS machines. "Fred" and "Barney". They are on the same"J >> wide area network, and via DECnet and TCP/IP, they know and can talk to* >> one another. ("Set Host", "ping", etc.) >>  J >> I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how longB >> it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new and >> different task on "Barney." >> iI >> I know I could run a batch job on Barney looking for a file, then have5C >> Fred ftp a small "flag" file... But that seems wasteful to me...d >> .8 >> This is VMS... Anything's possible with VMS... right? >> g >>   >> Thanks in advance,  >> e	 >> LyndonW >  > > > I think what you want is SUBMIT/REMOTE. Place an approrprateH > SUBMIT/REMOTE command in the command procedure on Fred so that it runs# > just before that procedure exits.m >   N IIRC, SUBMIT/REMOTE will by default print the logfile and delete it, which may? not be what you want. The workaround to that is something like:-   $ define sys$print nl   ) in the command procedure being submitted.r   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandj   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:37:10 -04009- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eA Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered).t, Message-ID: <3D416CA0.41F2E007@videotron.ca>  L > >> I want to run a job on "Fred". Don't know when it'll start, or how longD > >> it'll take, but when it's done, somehow it will start a new and  > >> different task on "Barney."  A You could have the job on FRED just start a decnet task on BARNEYy  F "OPEN/READ/WRITE temp BARNEY"user pass"::0="start"   This will executeK "start.com" by user "user" on Barney, and that command procedure could thenaU submit the job to execute on BARNEY. It could then "write sys$outout "Job submitted".t    so fred would do something like:  1 OPEN/READ/WRITE temp BARNEY"user pass"::0="start"+ READ temp response
 CLOSE temp    K When the above executes, START.COM on Barney would submit a job to continueeH processing, and then write back a one line message to FRED indicating it. worked (that message would go into "response")  L The beauty of the above is that you have full control over the username thatN will be user to execute the job on Barney and do not need any facy privs to do a SUBMIT/USER etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:39:19 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>MA Subject: Re: Relaying commands between two nodes (not clustered). , Message-ID: <3D416D22.7CE6441E@videotron.ca>  8 Another way to remotely execute commands is with SYSMAN.  	 MC SYSMANP* SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE="BARNEY"/USER="Wilma" (prompts for password)1 SYSMAN> DO "SUBMIT my_file_on-barney/NOPRINT/ETC"T  J This can be put into a comamnd procedure. Note that SYSMAN will use DECNET+ when the target node is not on the cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:10:33 +0100e1 From: John Cowell <jpcowell@xxx.blueyonder.co.uk>  Subject: set file/data_check8 Message-ID: <1d62kuobin4h8msrk570ve3cndkc34m2mb@4ax.com>   Folks,  N I'd be interested in your thoughts on using a 'no read check after a write' on& files for updates, copies etc., e.g.:-  # SET FILE/DATA_CHECK=NOWRITE xyz.datl   ---s R'gdst John     Help says:-y SETi   FILE     /DATA_CHECKi)        /DATA_CHECK[=([NO]READ,[NO]WRITE)]x  E        Specifies whether a read data check (rereading each record), atG        write data check (reading each record after it is written), or a H        combination of the two is performed on the file during transfers.3        By default, a write data check is performed.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:05:01 +0200s% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>p Subject: sftp for OpenVMSs% Message-ID: <3d4102ae$1@news.post.ch>s  - I asume, this is not available on VMS, is it?e   best regards   Jakob(   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:10:02 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: sftp for OpenVMS ; Message-ID: <3d411ffa.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>s  $ Jakob Erber (erberj@yahoo.de) wrote:/ > I asume, this is not available on VMS, is it?r  H Not as far as I know. But Process' stacks MultiNet and TCPware have scp. See http://www.process.com/p   cu,    Martin --  D                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deiE  Microsoft wants        |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/y8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 09:00:11 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: sftp for OpenVMS = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207260800.5749275c@posting.google.com>n  R "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> wrote in message news:<3d4102ae$1@news.post.ch>.../ > I asume, this is not available on VMS, is it?w >  > best regards >  > Jakob   7 been on tcpware and multinet for almost 2 years now ...-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:42:01 -0400s; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>- Subject: Re: sftp for OpenVMS2$ Message-ID: <3d418a15$1@news.si.com>  . >I asume, this is not available on VMS, is it?  I Not on plain vanilla VMS, bt if you buy a TCP/IP stack from, say, Processo& Software, it will be included in that. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevents< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:52:19 -06000% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>a Subject: Re: sftp for OpenVMSRB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020726115143.00ae8a80@raptor.psccos.com>  + At 11:42 AM 7/26/2002, Brian Tillman wrote: 0 > >I asume, this is not available on VMS, is it? > J >Not on plain vanilla VMS, bt if you buy a TCP/IP stack from, say, Process' >Software, it will be included in that.   - You can also buy our SSH for OpenVMS product.-     ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "Outside a dog, a book is man's best  |J | Principal Engineer            |   friend.  Inside a dog, it's too dark |J | Process Software              |   to read."                            |J | http://www.process.com        |                     -- Groucho Marx    |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:07:46 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: Timing of advertising) Message-ID: <3D412D82.13E9825E@127.0.0.1>a   JF Mezei wrote:.O > A while ago, someone had mentioned the time delay between an advertising idea ! > and the time it is aired on TV.  > N > On USA TV networks, Bell South is currently advertising with a not so subtle@ > wording clearly aimed at the uncertainty of Worldcom's future. > L > And to those who think that advertising VMS on TV would not work, considerM > that those Bell South ads are clearly aimed at corporate telecom contracts, 0 > not the mom and pop residential long distance. > H > And consider that those ads started to air just a couple of days after1 > Worldcom declared it would go under chapter 11.9  H I'd venture to argue that it is the _perception_ that is important. TakeE a super intelligent shade of the colour blue. The fact to you or I it / registers different RGB values isn't important.h  G The advertisers message is often more than what is said. This has to be G done carefully. Anyone can stand up and say my so-and-so is better than E your so-and-so, but stating it in such a way that someone sits up andiC listens, and rather than try to pick holes in why your so-and-so isaG inferior to their (current) so-and-so is difficult. When you turn their F thinking around to consider your so-and-so as a viable option in theirH life, the hard work can begin of convincing someone why they should make that choice.  E Down to specifics, look at VMS. Most of us here are the converted andn know what it is all about.  C Go to someone with something else, OK, so quite often they know thexG drawbacks and problems with (non-VMS) systems, but they live with them, 2 work around them. What alternatives have they got?  C One of the key things I have seen standing in the way of VMS is its F perception. A great operating system that isn't around any more, or atG least nowhere worth mentioning. Take your average UNIX aficionado stoodOE in the lotto queue hoping for a big win. Does it remotely cross their  mind it's a VMS box behind it? e  H No, not very likely. No, your UNIX aficionado may more likely be doing a? few stock deals over the web. But similarly, are they under the D impression the world is completely UNIX, apart from the lump that isH IBM? The windows thing is not viewed seriously, probably more of a thingH that occasionally gets in the way of accessing or displaying things from3 their UNIX systems, "and hasn't crashed yet" today.u  D Getting a message across is actually quite difficult - unless you've+ created a perception that you can build on.-  G Currently, we have VMS and OpenVMS. VMS was good and went away. OpenVMS@' is also good, but isn't used very much.b   This needs fixing.  G Imagine now that HP ran an advertisement about how XYZ company survived>G some disaster using OpenVMS. "Oh yeah, that's the operating system thatiD not many people use and it's going away". If this was done inside 127 hours, or 12 months of an event, the value is the same.   H I have seen some very good internal marketing material. It is good, veryE good, but what was spent on it didn't push it to a wider audience. It 0 wasn't technical, it's not even new, it was fun.  H Perhaps we as a group could work on something we can offer that could beH used to illustrate OpenVMS (I know the VMSers just cringed, but face it,G VMS is dead; long live OpenVMS). Take what was said to me by the HP guy 7 introduced to the OpenVMSers (and this is my offering):w   Passion.  D Build the image, and the perception. Then tell the stories. When theG shatterproof glass has been installed, then take a few pot-shots at the  opposition.   5 We love you Sue, but it's up to HP to tell the world.  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:23:34 GMTo From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG R Subject: Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine0 Message-ID: <00A117FD.D0A8053B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <P4VmrkFlYPJN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: Q >In article <00A11735.8314EF03@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > G >> All of the documentation states that the FLAGS argument is passed by F >> reference.  Even the source listing in [...LIBRTL.LIS]LIBFNDIMG.LIS >> has comments to this effect:  >>  X >>     1      1097 GLOBAL ROUTINE lib$find_image_symbol (image_desc,routine_desc,retadr,1 >>     1      1098         default_desc, flags) =  >>     1      1099 BEGIN >>     : >>     :K >>     2      1116 !       flags = Address of longword of flags for $IMGACTe >nG >By coincidence I ran into this problem today (in someone else's code).  >.N >> Also, the source listings show that the FLAGS argument's bits are validated& >> as if FLAGS is passed by reference. >wI >I disagree.  Brian, perhaps you have been using some language other thanb >Bliss too much !l  G Quite likely, and posting in the early AM with insufficient amounts of eG caffiene too to boot and too many brats running about.  I loathe summerg
 vacation.  ;)s    ) >>     3      1275     IF (.flags AND NOTe5 >>     4      1276             (LIB$M_FIS_PARANOID or 8 >>     5      1277              LIB$M_FIS_NO_FALLBACK or5 >>     5      1278              LIB$M_FIS_TV_FIRST oro7 >>     5      1279              LIB$M_FIS_NOTRANSLOG ort4 >>     5      1280              LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE)" >>     5      1281         ) NEQ 0 >  >	IF (flags ANDp >oH >would be nonsensical Bliss, testing the address of flags (which must be& >really weird if it is in a register).  1 OK.  So the documentation is in error everywhere.e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMI             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" i   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2002 09:42 CDTs' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) R Subject: Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine- Message-ID: <26JUL200209421670@gerg.tamu.edu>(  ' hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam writes...71 }:}unsigned longword flags = LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE;e }:}..rB }:}status = LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL(&log_dsc, &func_dsc, &retval, 0, }:}&flags);  } N }  Having just checked the source code, the flags argument is passed by value. } M }   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comC  + In that case, there is a documentation bug.n   From the online HELP:p    
         flags   &            OpenVMS usage:mask_longword,            type:         longword (unsigned)"            access:       read only%            mechanism:    by referenceB  I            Control flags. The flags argument is the address of a longwordt3            integer that contains the control flags.s   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:42:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>y Subject: VMI$CALLBACK Question9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEGFFHAA.tom@kednos.com>n   This occurs in KITINSTAL.COM  K One of the options for PROVIDE_IMAGE, P5, could be "I" which says to insertn. he sharable images symbol table into IMAGELIB.  * Will it replace it if it is already there?  H I assume it would, but I just wanted to double check with the initiated.   For example,  : $       Vmi$Callback PROVIDE_IMAGE Scnrtl$_exe  Scnrtl.Exe Vmi$Root:[Syslib] e,i,k 1a   TIA  Tom  ---D& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:32:22 +0200e( From: "Oliver Obi" <oliver.obi@epost.de> Subject: VMS for MicroVAX II/ Message-ID: <ahr1mh$k2o$06$1@news.t-online.com>   + I have got a old MicroVAX II with TK50 Tape ( and need a old Version of VMS on TK50 to. work with this computer. Where can i get this?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:43:27 -0400n* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>  Subject: RE: VMS for MicroVAX II- Message-ID: <0033000074094178000002L082*@MHS>@  ! =0AWhere are you?  Send me email.t   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET # Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 4:35 AMdB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: VMS for MicroVAX II    + I have got a old MicroVAX II with TK50 Tape"( and need a old Version of VMS on TK50 to/ work with this computer. Where can i get this?=    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:26:21 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a  Subject: Re: VMS for MicroVAX II, Message-ID: <3D415C0D.2DB196F2@videotron.ca>   Oliver Obi wrote:w > - > I have got a old MicroVAX II with TK50 Tapeo* > and need a old Version of VMS on TK50 to0 > work with this computer. Where can i get this?  + I run VMS 7.2 on my all mighty microvax II.r  N The limiting factor is the disk drive.  You might be able to fit/tailor VMS on> an RD54, but you wouldn't have much space left to do anything.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 04:29:07 -0700/ From: kevin_heikkila@yahoo.com (Kevin Heikkila)f% Subject: VMS IP set password utility?.< Message-ID: <b64ef43.0207260329.6d79db8f@posting.google.com>  N I was wondering if someone knows of a set password utility that will work overM IP (HP's TCPIP Services for OpenVMS and Process' Multinet). It doesn't matterr, if it is DCL or an executable (with source).   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:44:16 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o) Subject: Re: VMS IP set password utility?I3 Message-ID: <Oya4xONkGspS@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  n In article <b64ef43.0207260329.6d79db8f@posting.google.com>, kevin_heikkila@yahoo.com (Kevin Heikkila) writes:P > I was wondering if someone knows of a set password utility that will work overO > IP (HP's TCPIP Services for OpenVMS and Process' Multinet). It doesn't matter>. > if it is DCL or an executable (with source).  D    What are you looking for that' better than telnet + set password?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:20:03 -0400T( From: "David M Smith" <dsmit115@csc.com>) Subject: Re: VMS IP set password utility?u' Message-ID: <ahs0c4$e9j$1@lore.csc.com>l  K Bob, Kevin is looking for a "tool" which can be used to set the password onhD (a large number of) remote system(s) from one local "master" system.  : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Oya4xONkGspS@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > In article <b64ef43.0207260329.6d79db8f@posting.google.com>,1 kevin_heikkila@yahoo.com (Kevin Heikkila) writes:mH > > I was wondering if someone knows of a set password utility that will	 work over>J > > IP (HP's TCPIP Services for OpenVMS and Process' Multinet). It doesn't matter0 > > if it is DCL or an executable (with source). >aF >    What are you looking for that' better than telnet + set password? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:39:09 +0530e5 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com>u# Subject: Warning during compilationd/ Message-ID: <uk1perqe35jj10@corp.supernews.com>    Hi All,I  H I am trying to compile a program which has calls to system services likeE sys$qiow().  But during compilation it gives me the following warningm message.  J                 status = SYS$QIOW(0, wchan, IO$_WRITEVBLK, &mbxiosb, 0, 0,         .................^C %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "SYS$QIOW" isd
 implicitly  declared as a function.  L Although I have included the file <startlet.h> in sys$library which contains the declarion of sys$qiow()h  1 Do I need to compile with some special flags set?    Please helpt   thanks Sandeep-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:07:36 +0200z2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)' Subject: Re: Warning during compilations; Message-ID: <3d410348.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>t  4 Sandeep Yelwatkar (Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com) wrote:J > I am trying to compile a program which has calls to system services likeG > sys$qiow().  But during compilation it gives me the following warning 
 > message. >pL >                 status = SYS$QIOW(0, wchan, IO$_WRITEVBLK, &mbxiosb, 0, 0, >         .................^E > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "SYS$QIOW" isw$ > implicitly declared as a function. >jE > Although I have included the file <startlet.h> in sys$library whichm& > contains the declarion of sys$qiow()  0 You do know that C is case sensitive, don't you?  ; Some versions of Compaq C define uppercased aliases for theDE (lowercase) declarations of system services (my Compaq C V6.4 does) -i! seems like yours doesn't, though./   cu,E   Martin -- ND                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.degD                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:22:26 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r' Subject: Re: Warning during compilationj, Message-ID: <3D415B21.5D45B589@videotron.ca>   Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote:L >                 status = SYS$QIOW(0, wchan, IO$_WRITEVBLK, &mbxiosb, 0, 0, >         .................^E > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "SYS$QIOW" isn > implicitly >  declared as a function.  N On VAX, starlet.h and lib$routines.h do not have the uppercase versions of the@ routines defined. I solved the problem by making mystarlet.h and. mylib$routines.h which have the equivalent of:   #define SYS$QIOW sys$qiow     M for all the functions defined in the original macro. This way, the C compiler M leaves me alone. If you do not do this, your program still works fine and thev$ linker resolves everything properly.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Jul 2002 08:34:09 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)-Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?.3 Message-ID: <8$UGdMOICpAA@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  u In article <58ba0101.0207250659.939a225@posting.google.com>, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) writes:4 > Hi,@ > E > I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generateeF > numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsH > from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveD > more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I > have two  entry no. 1s ?  D    VMS will not create simulataneous duplicate entry numbers.  OtherA    than that, it will do what it damn well pleases with the entryuE    number.  Any behaviour you count on is wrong, other than the size tH    of the entry number in bits as documented for the system service that    returns it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:37:52 +0200 1 From: "J.Fossy Weinzinger" <j.fossy@maxonline.at>a Subject: who need a pdp11/20G Message-ID: <3d414226$0$25810$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>c   hello,  K i own a pdp11/20 and in the near future i will not have enaugh room for it   :-('  # so i will find sombody who want it :, the place where it is: austria, vienna, 1190   oh yes - it does not work :-( + but you can repair it as i did 10 years agon  ; so if you have interest and live near vienna write an email    Fossyl   j.fossy@maxonline.at   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:17:10 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 7 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem-' Message-ID: <3D410586.34E2879E@aaa.com>y   Well...    $ SQL :== $SQL$70o $ sqlo Message number 02228011      $ @sys$share:rdb$setver 7.0  dG Current PROCESS Oracle Rdb environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION)r@ Current PROCESS SQL environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION): Current PROCESS Rdb/Dispatch environment is version V7.0-6 (MULTIVERSION)   NPBCG1 $ sql SQL> - SQL> sh ver-0 Current version of SQL is: Oracle Rdb SQL V7.0-6 SQL>  Exit 0 $1 $7  A So when using the multiversioning kit, there are some things thatmB have to be setup in your process before you can use SQL. Note that; it can also be setup system-wide at boot, check the docs...    Jan-Erik Sderholm.i     Alder wrote: >  > Alder wrote: > D > I spoke too soon apparently.  I tried invoking interactive SQL and > received some weirdness: >  > $ SQL :== $SQL$70c > $ SQLo > Message number 02228011  > G > Does anyone recognize where this "message" is coming from and what it < > means (aside from the fact that SQL is not being started)? > / > Is it DECnet?  It sure doesn't look like DCL.g >  > Geez.  >  > Alderd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:06:47 +0100c% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 7 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problemi8 Message-ID: <fi02kucpv7jcuoqopg52el395gfq9bqa9i@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:22:10 GMT, Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com> wrote:   >  >$ SQL :== $SQL$70 >$ SQL >Message number 02228011 > G >Does anyone recognize where this "message" is coming from and what it e; >means (aside from the fact that SQL is not being started)?    Try ( $ write sys$output f$message(%x02228011) I getk% %SQL-S-NOMSG, Message number 02228011iA but I am running an older version of RDB. You might get an actual  message.  . >Is it DECnet?  It sure doesn't look like DCL. >n >Geez. >e >Alder   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:27:51 GMT ( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>7 Subject: Re: [Hobbyist] install of SQL/Services problem , Message-ID: <3D417886.2050906@spammotel.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:n	 > Well...w >  > $ SQL :== $SQL$70t > $ sqle > Message number 02228011  > C > So when using the multiversioning kit, there are some things that D > have to be setup in your process before you can use SQL. Note that= > it can also be setup system-wide at boot, check the docs...o >   H Thanks, Jan-Erik.  You're right of course.  Reading the docs would have F been the smart thing to do.  Running the RDB$SETVER.COM procedure was H all it took.  See what you have to deal with when someone has spent too  much time on Windows!r   Many thanks, Alder,   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.409 ************************