1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 28 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 412       Contents:2 ??== Difference between 21164-P7 and 21164A chips. Re: Corporate email directories # Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...  Jnet Programming Manual  Re: Jnet Programming Manual ) Re: Mail degraded from VAX 6.2 to VAX 7.3  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ? 0 Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kit (Montagar Sold Out)0 Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kit (Montagar Sold Out)" Re: PERP Queue enhancement utility" Re: PERP Queue enhancement utility, Register an Hobbyist layered product license0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license0 Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licenseJ Security and home systems Was: How to setup a VMS development environment?I Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine $ X10 Home Automation Software for VMS( Re: X10 Home Automation Software for VMS. Re: [OT] The Kursk Disaster and MS Windows :-)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 07:49:17 +0200 3 From: "Aus, Hans Magnus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> ; Subject: ??== Difference between 21164-P7 and 21164A chips. B Message-ID: <aus-53F694.07491528072002@wrzx08.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de>  , Are the 21164-P7 and 21164A the same chips?   # Does Open VMS run on the 21164-P7 ?    --  4 Hans Magnus Aus, Wuerzburg, aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2002 02:34:26 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>( Subject: Re: Corporate email directories- Message-ID: <87u1mlkojx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   W Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes:   C > It depends, Sun for example does not use Exchange at all for some  > inexplicable reason.  C Why do you say `inexplicable' Andrew? Surley you don't think Sun's  : mail should be borged into the black-hole pit of Exchange?     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:03:42 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>, Subject: Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases8 Message-ID: <60u3kugnppko0tnmkaf20o318igbkck2m1@4ax.com>  D On 25 Jul 2002 00:10:53 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:  b >In article <v6iujugfjv0vmm80v5ln0f75hb2dms6l4s@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> writes:   >>  C >> I don't think you understand the answers you're getting to these E >> questions.  You can do batch-job oriented snapshots from VMS using G >> SSSU.  It is supported, but not all HSV features may be available in A >> the V1.0 of the scripting utility.  For example, when creating G >> shapshots there are some GUI-based options that are not available to G >> the CLI.  However, it *does* make the snapshots, as I've implemented  >> for some customers. >>   > D >	Wait a second... is this some kind of comprehension test?  Earlier >	you wrote: >  >>C >>You can write host-based scripts using SSSU, but in spite of what G >>Andrew's been trying to imply, I don't necessarily recommend it since 6 >>HP can't support all of the issues that may come up. >>   > 4 >	So now you do recommend it?  And issues "that may	A >	come up" - and HP can't support - are of no consequence?  Okay.  >  >	[snip...]  > B >	Yeah.  I understand how it works and I understand what you meant6 >	at the outset.  Just didn't realize this unsupported5 >	method was the way to go.  Sorry for my? confusion.  >   D You're right, I did say I don't recomment it...  I made the originalD statement because it  depends on your expectations and needs.  ThereF are some areas where it's not clear how it might interface with backupC packages (e.g., Veritas) using dedicated backup servers... i.e., no @ automated, built-in knowledge that it is a snapshot from another system.   @ It's also not qualified as part of an EBS, and therefore gettingA vendors to support it may be difficult.  But that doesn't mean it 
 doesn't work.   B However, if what you want is simply to create a snapshot for usingD VMS' Backup,  it works fine.  But it doesn't give you the option forB "allocation as needed" snapshots in SSSU V1.0 (i.e., you've got toF have enough spare capacity to handle the complete storage needs of all simultaneous snapshots).     >>   > A >	Fine.  Let me push hard in a direction you may want to consider ? >	going.  Get mini-merge incorporated into HSV.  Here are three  >	major reasons. > - >			1)  Can use Volume Shadowing comfortably. & >			2)  Because of 1) Ease of support./ >			3)  Because of 1) Double read IO throughput   E Because of the way that HSV and Vraid-x works, #1 isn't all that huge F a need now, other than it being a comfort-zone for folks - like myself@ - who have relied on it with much success over the years.  And I? really don't think #2 is any big issue.  I don't see how volume 1 shadowing is more easy to support than snapshots.   D You really don't need #3, because internally Vraid-1 is very similarF to Raid 1+0.  If you create a 100GB Vraid-1, and you have 50 drives inE the group, it spreads the I/O over all 50 drives, taking care to keep C the "mirrored" bits on separate drives in the group.  The HSV takes C care of all I/O optimizations and I really don't think the previous C benefits of host-based VS within the same HSV has the same benefits @ anymore - especially when considering the overhead to manage the shadowsets on the host.      >  >	Ease of support: >  >	$ quisce database  >	$ dismount volumes >	$ unquisce database  >	$ next_backup:& >	$ if no more to do then goto get_out >	$ mount dismounted volume & >	$ backup dismounted volume to_target >	$ add back to shadow set >	$ goto next_backup >   < Snapshots vs volume shadowing are just two different ways toD accomplish a goal.   Because of the way that Vraid-x is implemented,> though, it doesn't seem to be worth the extra overhead to haveE host-based volume shadowing to accomplish the goal.  YMMV, of course. = Also, if you want multi-site volume shadowing, then of course A host-based volume shadowing is the way to go (today).  Mini-merge " doesn't help in that case, though.   > F >	With Volume Shadowing the shadow members are in separate datacentersB >	and act as read targets providing at least double IO throughput.C >	Granted, with HSV you are spread across many drives this isn't as E >	big of an issue.  Also, with DRM II the synchronous lockstep volume C >	will service reads if supported at an OS level.  I'll add another E >	feature that will compete nicely with Snaps.  With Volume Shadowing @ >	I can have multiple bitmaps, 6 of them per volume.  Rolling myC >	own BCVs, I could easily create a script that does something like  >	this:  >  >		$ ! >		$ !  10 A.M. snapshot >		$ !2 >		$ dismount/policy=minicopy=optional  $1$DQB101:> >		$ MOUNT DSA5/SHAD=$1$DQB102:/POLICY=MINICOPY=OPTIONAL SHAD5 >		$ ! >		$ !  12 P.M. snapshot >		$ !2 >		$ dismount/policy=minicopy=optional  $1$DQB102:> >		$ MOUNT DSA5/SHAD=$1$DQB101:/POLICY=MINICOPY=OPTIONAL SHAD5 >  >	etc. > / >	Is that type functionality easy to do in EVM?   F On HSG EVM allows something like this to be done as well (breaking off	 mirrors).   F On HSV, where we don't have EVM, I've written scripts that quiesce theD app, create a snapclone, and then resume the app.  If you don't careF about quiescing, then just take the snapclone.  This is basically what= your rolling BCV idea does.  The snapclone takes a very quick B snapshot, which is usable immediately.  In the background it makes that snapshot into a clone.    > B >	Note it doesn't matter that those aren't consistent copies.  TheB >	scenario is database corruption.  When that occurs, roll-forwardD >	roll-back transaction logs on to last good snapshot.  Much of thisA >	is overkill in my book.  Some of us have been running many many $ >	years without database corruption.  E Um... well, you *know* that we can't recommend that ... but <whisper> F I've run with online backups for years with no corruption, even on theA system disk </whisper>.  And like you said, you have to have some < method for recovering data for files that can't be backed-up
 consistently.    > H >> It is not as automated as EVM is - including automatic "undo", but it
 >> does work.  > B >	Hey, maybe I'm swimming against technology change here.  Tell usB >	how EVM will work in this scenario (assume it is shipping).  HowF >	does it interact with VMS database products that need to be quiesced >	prior to snap? >   F Well, EVM is not running on VMS for me yet (I've gotten no pre-releaseF versions... haven't even been home in order to play with it if I did).@ On Windows systems, the EVM job can run a host-based scripts (to> quiesce the app, whatever), and then has automated methods for5 creating/splitting mirrors or for creating snapshots.   E Again, the EVA/HSV is quite a bit different from the HSx controllers, , so I can't say how these will work with EVM.) Not speaking for anyone, certainly not HP - (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:47:55 -0400  From: Everhart <ge@gce.com> 4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...+ Message-ID: <ahvm11$bei$1@bob.news.rcn.net>    Brannon Batson wrote: w > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message news:<FXg09.297878$iB1.15267619@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...  >  >>[snip]M >>BTW, at best the abortion occurred in the 2nd trimester, not the first, let M >>alone 'early in the first'.  The only question is just how late in the 2nd.  >> >>- bill >  > G > I honestly don't know why people care about what the schedule was for G > EV8.  EV8 had lots of schedules--schedules are constantly reworked to F > reflect manufacturing timelines, resource allocations, etc.  EV8 wasH > pretty far along as a design in mid-2001 (when work stopped).  At thatH > point, for a number of reasons, an '04 ship seemed realistic.  There'sE > a lot of things that can make a chip slip though, so there's always  > big error bars on that.  > 	 > Brannon  > not speaking for Intel  H I remember discussions of SMT features for Alpha back in the mid to lateE 1990s that associated SMT with EV7 and schedules that were supposedly 4 clearly going to deliver SMT alphas way before 2000.  H Obviously things did not happen like that. Confident sounding statementsK later from credible and informed sources should be weighed considering that I the sources I heard were confident and as informed as anyone in the world N about the work to be done. Were they lying? No, just caught by some stuff theyI did not expect at the time they told a bunch of us about plans. Trying to H be definite about EV8 schedules based on published remarks strikes me asH probably a very foolish thing to bother with.  Slips of a few years haveL occurred in the past from the same bunch, and their optimism has in the pastP repeatedly been meaningless. They too, like the rest of us, see through a glass, darkly.    Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:39:57 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org  Subject: Jnet Programming Manual/ Message-ID: <uk6irdc2dq7vf8@corp.supernews.com>    Hello folks:  F Does anyone have a copy of Jnet programming manual?  I have a software> (finger) for OpenVMS but it mentions some function calls like  Jan_Hook_Init, etc.   
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 02:05:49 GMT " From: bugs@pu.net (Mark Hittinger)$ Subject: Re: Jnet Programming ManualC Message-ID: <1kI09.322785$Bt1.16488548@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>    sword7@speakeasy.org writes:G >Does anyone have a copy of Jnet programming manual?  I have a software ? >(finger) for OpenVMS but it mentions some function calls like   >Jan_Hook_Init, etc.   Hi Tim  K I don't have a Jnet programming manual anymore.  It was a piece of software H that allowed a VAX to participate on an IBM RSCS network.  We used it to, connect our cluster to the "BITNET" network.   Later    Mark Hittinger bugs@pu.net    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jul 2002 16:33:42 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)2 Subject: Re: Mail degraded from VAX 6.2 to VAX 7.3= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0207271533.7d71fc2c@posting.google.com>   b paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote in message news:<01KKLL6B7ZW2000PSB@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>... > Just a final comment on this.  > P > I ended up re-installing DECW$MAIL.EXE from my 6.2 backup.  I'm happy now and N > even got my third gripe (which I forgot to mention -- the fonts) reinstated. > K > I trust that VMS engineering will eventually fix both character cell and  2 > DECWindows mail to perform as they did pre V7.0. > O > Phillip Helbig suggested that they broke it when they re-wrote from Bliss to  A > C.  I concur with his comment, something like, "Why, why, why?"  > I > Every unnecessary re-write of working code to the flavour of the month  G > language always seems to break something.  Not just system code, but  E > applications and just basic algorithms.  We've experienced it here.  >  > Regards, Paddy  3 I think this proves that bliss is better than c ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:57:46 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?' Message-ID: <3D430949.FBFEADAF@aaa.com>   7 OK then, why not change to link on the OpenVMS homepage 7 from the ":8000" variant to the better "/doc" variant ?   8 If the "/doc" variant works just as well (using port 80)4 there is realy no reason to keep the port 8000 link.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:00:48 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kit (Montagar Sold Out) ' Message-ID: <3D430A01.1DAE5A39@Free.fr>   S Who said so? I went to the montagar page and there is in there no such information.    D.   Jamie Stallwood wrote: > C > How would one obtain such a kit in the UK, given that it can't be  > bought at this time?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:49:32 -0500 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kit (Montagar Sold Out) G Message-ID: <craigberry-769C86.16493227072002@news.directvinternet.com>   ' In article <3D430A01.1DAE5A39@Free.fr>, /  Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:   I > Who said so? I went to the montagar page and there is in there no such   > information.  C Unless you consider the words "Sold Out" in red, italics under the  @ OpenVMS VAX hobbyist CD-ROM listing to be an indication, or the 4 following words in the general information above it:  F "Currently, the OpenVMS VAX Hobbyist Kit is sold out. We are going to E take the opportunity to remaster the VAX Hobbyist Kit, and expect it  H will be available sometime in July. Rest assured, we will be offering a  VAX kit again!"    > Jamie Stallwood wrote: > > E > > How would one obtain such a kit in the UK, given that it can't be  > > bought at this time?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2002 03:10:04 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: PERP Queue enhancement utility - Message-ID: <87lm7xkmwj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * mark.halman@gale.com (Mark Halman) writes:  B > I am looking for an old Decus utility that allowed you to submitE > entries the VMS queues with a lot of flexibility.  For Example, you D > could specify that entries go on the third Tuesday of every month.& > I think the utility was called PERP.  0B > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on this utility or one
 > like it?  A Vax86A sig tape. Still works, and on an Alpha too once you change 7 $for to $fort and compile the message file in the .com.s   Try that with mickeyshit!    -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:12:12 +0200r9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>i+ Subject: Re: PERP Queue enhancement utilityo' Message-ID: <3D430CAB.1DF5C37F@aaa.com>a  7 I use a "port" of CRON to manage my regular batch jobs.m6 You specify in a file (crontab.dat) when all different3 jobs should run. No need to keep "re-schedule code"e up-to-date in each batch job.o  7 No 3GL code, just a single DCL script run in a detachedo process.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.   , > mark.halman@gale.com (Mark Halman) writes: > D > > I am looking for an old Decus utility that allowed you to submitG > > entries the VMS queues with a lot of flexibility.  For Example, youAF > > could specify that entries go on the third Tuesday of every month.( > > I think the utility was called PERP. > D > > Does anyone know where I can get my hands on this utility or one > > like it? >@   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:03:15 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>.5 Subject: Register an Hobbyist layered product license ' Message-ID: <3D430A94.32F41AF3@Free.fr>c  N The montagar page on layered products states that more than a hundred productsO are available for the hobbyist, but I did not find any way to register anythings+ else than VMS, that I did register already.y  6 Could someone spread some light on this issue, please?   Merci.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:15:35 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product license ' Message-ID: <3D430D77.D1271CAB@aaa.com>   7 You can just register for two different licens "packs".r   1. OpenVMS (VAX or Alpha)a 2. Layered Products.  < It's the second that may have "more than a hundred products" and they comes together.  
 Bon nuit !   Jan-Erik Sderholm.j   Didier Morandi wrote:o > P > The montagar page on layered products states that more than a hundred productsQ > are available for the hobbyist, but I did not find any way to register anythingv- > else than VMS, that I did register already.u > 8 > Could someone spread some light on this issue, please? >  > Merci. >  > D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:23:47 GMTd. From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@adelphia.net>9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licensee+ Message-ID: <3D431DF3.1050604@adelphia.net>    Didier Morandi wrote:oP > The montagar page on layered products states that more than a hundred productsQ > are available for the hobbyist, but I did not find any way to register anything - > else than VMS, that I did register already.o > 8 > Could someone spread some light on this issue, please? >  > Merci. >  > D.  H You need to go back to the Montagar site and use the "License Register" F option a second time.  On the "Hobbyist License Registration" screen, 6 select "Layered Products" in the "License Type" field.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:38:26 GMTs( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licensem, Message-ID: <3D434B10.3050503@spammotel.com>   Michael Rice wrote:d > Didier Morandi wrote:y > 9 >> Could someone spread some light on this issue, please?o >>J > You need to go back to the Montagar site and use the "License Register" H > option a second time.  On the "Hobbyist License Registration" screen, 8 > select "Layered Products" in the "License Type" field. >   F I have a related question (I think).  Where in the Hobbyist CD is the I Language Sensitive Editor (LSE)?  The Layered Products License PAKs from ,G Montagar include one for LSE, but it's not a stand-alone package which  H you can install from CD, nor is it showing up on the system disk when I  run "$ DIR [000000...]*LSE* ".   Signed perplexed,f   Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 01:59:28 -0400U( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>9 Subject: Re: Register an Hobbyist layered product licensei, Message-ID: <3D438840.5000809@tsoft-inc.com>   Alder wrote:   > Michael Rice wrote:w >  >> Didier Morandi wrote: >>: >>> Could someone spread some light on this issue, please? >>>.A >> You need to go back to the Montagar site and use the "License s= >> Register" option a second time.  On the "Hobbyist License tI >> Registration" screen, select "Layered Products" in the "License Type" h	 >> field.  >> > H > I have a related question (I think).  Where in the Hobbyist CD is the K > Language Sensitive Editor (LSE)?  The Layered Products License PAKs from sI > Montagar include one for LSE, but it's not a stand-alone package which  J > you can install from CD, nor is it showing up on the system disk when I   > run "$ DIR [000000...]*LSE* ".    P The CD you're refering to is, well, a single CD.  Only so many products can fit J on a single CD.  It has some of the more often used products, but not all P layered products.  It takes something like 10 or 12 or some such number to hold - all the layered products distributed for VMS.i  P You get the PAKs for most layered products.  If there is a royalty involved, or H some other reason, you won't get a free PAK.  It doesn't make sense for P DEC/Compaq/HP to pay a royalty on a product so that they can provide you a free P PAK.  Then you can obtain the media for whatever products you want, in whatever N manner you can.  At one end is purchasing a copy of the ConDist (consolidated P distribution), a dozen or more CDs with all the layered products.  At the other A end is coming across a copy of the ConDist for little or no cost.h  Q One thing VMS hobbyists should do is get to know other hobbyist that are nearby. wQ   With enough people, someone will have some media that they may lend to you, or   make a copy for you.   Opinion mode on:  Q Some people have worried about loaning, selling, or copying media.  The CDs from gO Montagar had a cost to cover production and shipping.  There wasn't any profit  M involved.  The purpose of the hobbyist program is to get the software in the wM hands of people so that they can learn how to use it, and possibly influence lQ commercial use of the software.  From this perspective, I'd think that HP has no  N problem with media being loaned or copied.  It's the PAKs that cost money and O represent the license, so why would they give these away for free, and not the   media.  % Just my opinion, not speaking for HP.c   Dave   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2002 03:41:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>S Subject: Security and home systems Was: How to setup a VMS development environment?!0 Message-ID: <87heilklfs.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:A  ? >    I know my kids can screw up all my home systems, except my	? >    VMScluster.  They screw up the Macs and the Linux bix on awA >    regular basis.  But oh, if my security log ever catches them : >    trying something on VMS, they are gonna hear from me.  i> My son used to give his sisters hell, and screw up their stuffA when ever he got the chance. I told he to cut it, or I would chopsA his use. He walked away muttering fat chance I would be up at 7amsE to stop him. True, but I them antered his sysuaf so he could only logn in during even hours...   @ He was very quiet the next day, and stopped screwing around with9 the girls stuff. He *still* hasn't asked how it was done.h   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.S@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2002 00:50:35 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>R Subject: Re: usage of LIB$M_FIS_MIXEDCASE in the lib$find_image_symbol RTL routine- Message-ID: <87y9bxktd0.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:m  * > >     3      1275     IF (.flags AND NOT   > 	IF (flags AND2             ^ Ah, is there something missing here?   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.M@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:43:02 -0500g3 From: "Barry Skidmore" <bjskidmore@sheltie-net.com>A- Subject: X10 Home Automation Software for VMSr. Message-ID: <gGJ09.22$I4.3603@news.iquest.net>  J Could someone help me locate X10 Home Automation Software for VMS.  I haveI looked at the indices for the VMS freeware CD's and done a Google search,  but have come up empty handed.   Thanks,e Barry Skidmore   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 04:50:55 GMTo# From: ualski <ualski@earthlink.net>o1 Subject: Re: X10 Home Automation Software for VMSi- Message-ID: <3D43781A.5738754F@earthlink.net>n  F I searched high and low a few years back and found nothing. I ended upK writing some simple code to talk to the CM11 interface which is the two-way G interface with RS-232 comms to the host machine. While a little strange C the protocol is pretty simple and X10 has a link to it on their web I site but given that the site changes all the time you might be better off E using altavista or google to find the protocol description. If you're F looking for having the computer control a few modules, the firecrackerC is also pretty easy to interface to, just twiddle a couple of modemeF control lines.  X10 documents that protocol too. The old CP290 is alsoG good for sending commands out on the line. It's also a RS-232 interfacelD with documented protocol and examples in BASIC (for the PC, though).  H There's also a nifty piece of code for the CM11 at http://www.danlan.comG It's an ACP type program that talks to the CM11 and provides a TCP portnE that you can talk to to command the CM11. Being UNIXy it uses selectscA and polls but that's probably easy to work around under VMS but Ih, haven't looked at the source in a few years.  G I hope this helps and if you find anything, please post a link or other  info.u   -- Aaron Sliwinski       Barry Skidmore wrote:t > L > Could someone help me locate X10 Home Automation Software for VMS.  I haveK > looked at the indices for the VMS freeware CD's and done a Google search,e  > but have come up empty handed. > 	 > Thanks,h > Barry Skidmore   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:03:53 +0200T9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 7 Subject: Re: [OT] The Kursk Disaster and MS Windows :-)a' Message-ID: <3D430AB9.30A7E72C@aaa.com>m   CSABA HARANGOZO wrote: >  > The Kursk Disaster  	 [snip...]-  ; As was sad, 118 young seamen was killed in this accident...s   What's funny with that ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.412 ************************