1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 30 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 416       Contents: Re: asynch device on alpha Auto Powerup for a 500a/au% Re: BACKUP to remote disk via DECNET?  Clusterwide logicals Re: Clusterwide logicals Re: Clusterwide logicals Re: Clusterwide logicals Re: Clusterwide logicals Re: Clusterwide logicals) Re: controlling telnet / ftp login access  Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?  Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd? 3 Re: Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ ? 3 Re: Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ ?  Re: DS10 problems / Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?  Re: HSG80 RAID5 Warning  Re: HSG80 RAID5 Warning # Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases  Invoking db + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + RE: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues... + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)  Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ? ( Re: OT: Microsoft set-top boxes dial 911E ot: Not so philosophical disk quota problem (was: Philosophical ACLs)  Re: printer status question % Re: Running an .EXE from a .COM file.  Re: sftp for OpenVMS Re: sftp for OpenVMS Sort file protection+ There's an ex-M$ among the VMS developpers! ! Re: Using PCA on an Apache module   Re: VMS IP set password utility?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?$ Re: Windows backdoor reported here??( Re: X10 Home Automation Software for VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 19:01:13 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: asynch device on alpha * Message-ID: <ai43dp$jrn$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  b In article <wFG%8.92079$DS.2900178@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:H :Is there such a thing?  Is a terminal server the only way to address an. :asych/serial device from an Alpha VMS system?  A   PCI-based asynchronous serial controllers are available and are @   supported by OpenVMS Alpha on various Alpha platforms, as are D   various off-host (network-based) terminal servers.  At low speeds E   and at low data rates, the Alpha console serial connections -- the  4   "junk I/O" connections -- can potentially be used.  E   For the supported widgets, select the particular current or retired F   platform at http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/, and from there look B   at thesupported options list that is available for the platform.  D   If you were to provide more detail on your OpenVMS Alpha platform E   and version -- and on your requirements -- then some more specific  :   options and alternatives can (potentially) be discussed.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:16:26 -0400 < From: "Carlc Internet Services" <cc@nospamming-to-carlc.com># Subject: Auto Powerup for a 500a/au 1 Message-ID: <fwg19.229$6U4.55744@news.uswest.net>    Folks,  B     I've got a few Dec Personal Workstation 500a and 500au systems- I use for various goodies (mostly Linux 7.1).   F     I've noticed that if they have been shutdown due to loss of power,E they will not automatically restart. Is there a way to make sure that @ when 110V AC is applied, the Dec Personal Workstation will power? up??? I do have UPSes on them, but I would like to know that if H a major failure occurs, I can still get the system back remotely without! having the push the power button.   H     On testing, if you leave it unplugged for a few minutes, it requiresD someone to hit the power button. From there, it will auto reboot (asB set in the SRM console) perfectly. Just need to find a way to make it power up on A/C restore.        Thanks in advance!3     Carl (reply to: cc-the-"at"-sign-carlc-dot-com)    -- ==================== http://www.carlc.com/   =       "Price, Performance, Quality. Choose any two you like."    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:34:57 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> . Subject: Re: BACKUP to remote disk via DECNET?( Message-ID: <3D458AD1.B2E68BA3@ohio.edu>   "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:  > I > Yes, create a saveset on the remote system and then expand that saveset  > there. >  > Local node > $ BACKUP/NOASSIST/VERIFY - > disk:[dir...]*.*.* -5 > node"username password"::disk:[dir]saveset.ext/SAVE  > * > After backup is done, on the remote node > $ BACKUP/NOASSIST/VERIFY - > disk:[dir]saveset.ext/SAVE - > disk:[*...]/BY_OWNER=ORIGINAL   G               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---- this may cause unintended effects  M if the UIC values are not coordinated between the systems, which is certainly $ possible if they are not clustered.   
 							RDP     >  > Ransom Fitch wrote:  > > J > > I need to copy files (and directory structure!) to a remote disk (LAN,K > > non-clustered) via DECNET.  Is there a way to use the BACKUP utility to  > > do this?  Using VMS 6.2. > >  > > Thanks,  > > Ransom Fitch >  > --G > Jilly   - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NY L >         - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine fanL >         - Mark.Jilson@hp.com                            - since 1975 or so% >         - http://www.jilly.baka.com    --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:20:48 -0400 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> Subject: Clusterwide logicals 4 Message-ID: <Pyg19.7382$H67.39347@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  @ Good afternoon (or whenever it may be in your part of the world)  F I'm trying to create a clusterwide logical name, and the documentation states as quoted: D "To create a clusterwide logical name, you must have (...) or SYSNAM? privilege if you are creating clusterwide logical names only in  LNM$SYSCLUSTER. "    I have the following:  $ sh proc/privJ                           Node: THEIAS           Process name: "ARCHIVAGE"   Authorized privileges:  NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX    Process privileges: /  NETMBX               may create network device =  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table 2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox   and when I do:( $ define/table=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  aaaa bbbb I get G %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation    Can someone explain why?  K There must be some other privilege that I need. I did not often encounter a A false statement in the VMS documentation, and it don't feel good.    Thanks!    --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 14:48:01 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ! Subject: Re: Clusterwide logicals 3 Message-ID: <8n7AI$oilsCJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <Pyg19.7382$H67.39347@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> writes: B > Good afternoon (or whenever it may be in your part of the world) > H > I'm trying to create a clusterwide logical name, and the documentation > states as quoted: F > "To create a clusterwide logical name, you must have (...) or SYSNAMA > privilege if you are creating clusterwide logical names only in  > LNM$SYSCLUSTER. "  >  > I have the following:  > $ sh proc/privL >                           Node: THEIAS           Process name: "ARCHIVAGE" >  > Authorized privileges: >  NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX  >  > Process privileges: 1 >  NETMBX               may create network device ? >  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table 4 >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox >  > and when I do:* > $ define/table=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  aaaa bbbb > I get I > %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation  >  > Can someone explain why? > M > There must be some other privilege that I need. I did not often encounter a C > false statement in the VMS documentation, and it don't feel good.  > 	 > Thanks!  >   # 	Authorized but not default priv.        SYSMAN> set e/c + %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: $         Clusterwide on local cluster9         Username JOEUSER 		will be used on nonlocal nodes     SYSMAN> set prof/priv=sysnam0 SYSMAN> DO DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER AAAA BBBB1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2  SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG AAAA1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 )    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE) 1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2 )    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)    				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 15:02:23 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ! Subject: Re: Clusterwide logicals 3 Message-ID: <Ga7FxcQN+yRg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <8n7AI$oilsCJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: i > In article <Pyg19.7382$H67.39347@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> writes: C >> Good afternoon (or whenever it may be in your part of the world)  >>  I >> I'm trying to create a clusterwide logical name, and the documentation  >> states as quoted:G >> "To create a clusterwide logical name, you must have (...) or SYSNAM B >> privilege if you are creating clusterwide logical names only in >> LNM$SYSCLUSTER. " >>   >> I have the following: >> $ sh proc/priv M >>                           Node: THEIAS           Process name: "ARCHIVAGE"  >>   >> Authorized privileges:  >>  NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX >>   >> Process privileges:2 >>  NETMBX               may create network device@ >>  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table5 >>  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox  >>   >> and when I do: + >> $ define/table=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  aaaa bbbb  >> I getJ >> %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation >>   >> Can someone explain why?  >>  N >> There must be some other privilege that I need. I did not often encounter aD >> false statement in the VMS documentation, and it don't feel good. >>  
 >> Thanks! >>   > % > 	Authorized but not default priv.    >  >  > SYSMAN> set e/c - > %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: & >         Clusterwide on local cluster; >         Username JOEUSER 		will be used on nonlocal nodes  >    > SYSMAN> set prof/priv=sysnam2 > SYSMAN> DO DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER AAAA BBBB3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2  > SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG AAAA3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 + >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE) 3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2 + >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)  >   = 	Scratch that example.  I neglected to do noall prior to.  So : 	I trimmed the test account down to just that and it works  	(sysnam and netmbx and tmpmbx).  . <NODE2>$ define/table=lnm$syscluster aaaa bbbb <NODE2>$ show log aaaa)    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)  <NODE2>$ show proc/priv   H 29-JUL-2002 16:00:57.64   User: JOEUSER           Process ID:   209AEA66A                           Node: NODE2 		Process name: "_NTY9842:"     Authorized privileges:.  NETMBX       OPER         SYSNAM       TMPMBX    Process privileges: /  NETMBX               may create network device 4  OPER                 may perform operator functions=  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table 2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox  = 	So it does appear you need to make that SYSNAM priv default.    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:14:10 -0400 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com>! Subject: Re: Clusterwide logicals 4 Message-ID: <Rkh19.7388$H67.39326@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  " > Authorized but not default priv.  	 Mais non! 1 That's what I thought, too, but it's not the case    Authorized Privileges:   NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX Default Privileges:    NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  H "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> a crit dans le message de news:( 8n7AI$oilsCJ@eisner.encompasserve.org...@ > In article <Pyg19.7382$H67.39347@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"( <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> writes:D > > Good afternoon (or whenever it may be in your part of the world) > > J > > I'm trying to create a clusterwide logical name, and the documentation > > states as quoted: H > > "To create a clusterwide logical name, you must have (...) or SYSNAMC > > privilege if you are creating clusterwide logical names only in  > > LNM$SYSCLUSTER. "  > >  > > I have the following:  > > $ sh proc/privB > >                           Node: THEIAS           Process name: "ARCHIVAGE"  > >  > > Authorized privileges: > >  NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX  > >  > > Process privileges: 3 > >  NETMBX               may create network device A > >  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table 6 > >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox > >  > > and when I do:, > > $ define/table=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  aaaa bbbb	 > > I get K > > %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation  > >  > > Can someone explain why? > > C > > There must be some other privilege that I need. I did not often  encounter a E > > false statement in the VMS documentation, and it don't feel good.  > >  > > Thanks!  > >  > " > Authorized but not default priv. >  >  > SYSMAN> set e/c - > %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: & >         Clusterwide on local cluster9 >         Username JOEUSER will be used on nonlocal nodes  >  > SYSMAN> set prof/priv=sysnam2 > SYSMAN> DO DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER AAAA BBBB3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2  > SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG AAAA3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 + >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE) 3 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2 + >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)  >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:18:47 -0400 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com>! Subject: Re: Clusterwide logicals 4 Message-ID: <9ph19.7389$H67.39380@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   This is VMS 7.3 on a VAX  $ I think it does work on 7.2-1 Alpha. I'll do more testing   --   Syltrem I http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  H "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> a crit dans le message de news:( Ga7FxcQN+yRg@eisner.encompasserve.org...5 > In article <8n7AI$oilsCJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, - young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes: B > > In article <Pyg19.7382$H67.39347@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"( <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> writes:E > >> Good afternoon (or whenever it may be in your part of the world)  > >>K > >> I'm trying to create a clusterwide logical name, and the documentation  > >> states as quoted:I > >> "To create a clusterwide logical name, you must have (...) or SYSNAM D > >> privilege if you are creating clusterwide logical names only in > >> LNM$SYSCLUSTER. " > >> > >> I have the following: > >> $ sh proc/priv C > >>                           Node: THEIAS           Process name:  "ARCHIVAGE"  > >> > >> Authorized privileges:z  > >>  NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX > >> > >> Process privileges:4 > >>  NETMBX               may create network deviceB > >>  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table7 > >>  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailboxx > >> > >> and when I do: - > >> $ define/table=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  aaaa bbbb 
 > >> I getL > >> %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation > >> > >> Can someone explain why?b > >>D > >> There must be some other privilege that I need. I did not often encounter aeF > >> false statement in the VMS documentation, and it don't feel good. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > > $ > > Authorized but not default priv. > >e > >m > > SYSMAN> set e/c / > > %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment:a( > >         Clusterwide on local cluster; > >         Username JOEUSER will be used on nonlocal nodes= > >Y  > > SYSMAN> set prof/priv=sysnam4 > > SYSMAN> DO DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER AAAA BBBB5 > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 5 > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2  > > SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG AAAA5 > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1n- > >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)T5 > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2 - > >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)@ > >p >e> > Scratch that example.  I neglected to do noall prior to.  So; > I trimmed the test account down to just that and it works<! > (sysnam and netmbx and tmpmbx).r > 0 > <NODE2>$ define/table=lnm$syscluster aaaa bbbb > <NODE2>$ show log aaaa+ >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)s > <NODE2>$ show proc/privt > J > 29-JUL-2002 16:00:57.64   User: JOEUSER           Process ID:   209AEA66A >                           Node: NODE2 Process name: "_NTY9842:"e >t > Authorized privileges:0 >  NETMBX       OPER         SYSNAM       TMPMBX >h > Process privileges:>1 >  NETMBX               may create network devicen6 >  OPER                 may perform operator functions? >  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table:4 >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox >t> > So it does appear you need to make that SYSNAM priv default. >e > Robi >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:45:53 -0400 0 From: "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com>! Subject: Re: Clusterwide logicalsp4 Message-ID: <zOh19.7391$H67.39392@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   Looks like 7.3 is the problem. Will call HP   --   SyltremiI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)e> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  K "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> a crit dans le message de news:,) 9ph19.7389$H67.39380@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...  > This is VMS 7.3 on a VAX > & > I think it does work on 7.2-1 Alpha. > I'll do more testing >e > -- >d	 > SyltremtK > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais) @ > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address >YJ > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> a crit dans le message de news:* > Ga7FxcQN+yRg@eisner.encompasserve.org...7 > > In article <8n7AI$oilsCJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, / > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:dD > > > In article <Pyg19.7382$H67.39347@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Syltrem"* > <syltremspammenot@videotron.com> writes:G > > >> Good afternoon (or whenever it may be in your part of the world)  > > >>? > > >> I'm trying to create a clusterwide logical name, and the 
 documentationt > > >> states as quoted:K > > >> "To create a clusterwide logical name, you must have (...) or SYSNAMoF > > >> privilege if you are creating clusterwide logical names only in > > >> LNM$SYSCLUSTER. " > > >> > > >> I have the following: > > >> $ sh proc/priv E > > >>                           Node: THEIAS           Process name:u
 > "ARCHIVAGE"e > > >> > > >> Authorized privileges: " > > >>  NETMBX    SYSNAM    TMPMBX > > >> > > >> Process privileges:6 > > >>  NETMBX               may create network deviceD > > >>  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name table9 > > >>  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailboxx > > >> > > >> and when I do: / > > >> $ define/table=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  aaaa bbbb  > > >> I getD > > >> %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection	 violationr > > >> > > >> Can someone explain why?C > > >>F > > >> There must be some other privilege that I need. I did not often
 > encounter anH > > >> false statement in the VMS documentation, and it don't feel good. > > >> > > >> Thanks! > > >> > > >E& > > > Authorized but not default priv. > > >  > > >X > > > SYSMAN> set e/c 1 > > > %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment:p* > > >         Clusterwide on local cluster= > > >         Username JOEUSER will be used on nonlocal nodesR > > >g" > > > SYSMAN> set prof/priv=sysnam6 > > > SYSMAN> DO DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER AAAA BBBB7 > > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1n7 > > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2i > > > SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG AAAA7 > > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 / > > >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)t7 > > > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2a/ > > >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)  > > >  > >r@ > > Scratch that example.  I neglected to do noall prior to.  So= > > I trimmed the test account down to just that and it worksh# > > (sysnam and netmbx and tmpmbx).  > >o2 > > <NODE2>$ define/table=lnm$syscluster aaaa bbbb > > <NODE2>$ show log aaaa- > >    "AAAA" = "BBBB" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)  > > <NODE2>$ show proc/privT > > L > > 29-JUL-2002 16:00:57.64   User: JOEUSER           Process ID:   209AEA66C > >                           Node: NODE2 Process name: "_NTY9842:"m > >y > > Authorized privileges:2 > >  NETMBX       OPER         SYSNAM       TMPMBX > >  > > Process privileges:R3 > >  NETMBX               may create network devicet8 > >  OPER                 may perform operator functionsA > >  SYSNAM               may insert in system logical name tablee6 > >  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox > >n@ > > So it does appear you need to make that SYSNAM priv default. > >u > > Rob  > >  >  >M   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 13:12:03 -0700" From: ccc_crg@yahoo.com (Chris G.)2 Subject: Re: controlling telnet / ftp login access= Message-ID: <5437ff2f.0207291212.7b7ed4f1@posting.google.com>L  c lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<ai3h84$gmd$2@newslocal.mitre.org>...oN > Better hope the evil hackers don't use /NOCOM after the username!  (Or maybeH > move your code to SYLOGIN.COM.)  There are SYSUAF flags you can set toJ > force execution of LOGIN.COM, but I wouldn't recommend doing that to the > SYSTEM account.R  C Thats a good point! I have moved the check for incoming Telnet into,3 SYLOGIN (and added a check for the SYSTEM username)m   > N > p.s.  I think telnet sessions would be considered /REMOTE rather than /LOCAL
 > or /DIALUP.nD Since I don't know what unexpected side-effects of setting /NOREMOTEB on the SYSTEM account are, I'll stick with the code in SYLOGIN for now...  2 Many thanks to everyone for your helpful comments!   -Chris G.  Auckland, N.Z.m   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 21:30:51 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?* Message-ID: <ai4c6b$m9j$1@web1.cup.hp.com>  T In article <ahoc3p$s8s$1@reader3.panix.com>, John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> writes:- :Someone wanted to borrow my VAX hobbyist cd,@$ :which I won't let out of my sight.   D   Please have the, um, spending-averse someone order their own copy?  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:44:05 GMTC1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?% Message-ID: <3D45D7E9.24222F@fsi.net>0   Hoff Hoffman wrote:o > V > In article <ahoc3p$s8s$1@reader3.panix.com>, John Forkosh <john@invalid.com> writes:/ > :Someone wanted to borrow my VAX hobbyist cd,i% > :which I won't let out of my sight.t > F >   Please have the, um, spending-averse someone order their own copy?  E See http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html which shows these are 	 sold out.    -- c David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/S   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 23:31:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)< Subject: Re: Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ ?* Message-ID: <ai4j8c$m9j$7@web1.cup.hp.com>  b In article <3D418409.64775A2@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  3 :On http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ one can nowa' :(can't been there for long ?) docs fors :Compaq BASIC and Compaq COBOL.t :o8 :Is there any spacial reason why we don't find the other :languages (C, Fortran) there ?b  F   The OpenVMS FAQ has had pointers to the website with various of the H   language documentation for some time now -- I've previously requested H   that (at least) cross-links be added between the OpenVMS documentationJ   and the commercial languages and tools sites.  From the current edition 
   of the FAQ:e   	--h  >     Details on the C programming environment are available at:  >     o  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/c_index.html      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:44:19 +0200:- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> < Subject: Re: Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ ?' Message-ID: <3D4627B3.6E28C0BE@Free.fr>s   And Fortran? At Intel?   D.   Hoff Hoffman wrote:y >  > @ >     Details on the C programming environment are available at: > @ >     o  http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/c_index.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:31:15 GMTs5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>g Subject: Re: DS10 problems2 Message-ID: <TRf19.21$rA2.707700@news.cpqcorp.net>  B OK.  Are you *sure* nothing has changed?  Even if it doesn't soundL significant to you.  Like say, someone adding a board, or reordering boards?6 Or installing a patch?  Or changing wiring in the LAN?          Kevin Handy wrote in message ... >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:nF >> Shut down the system.  Find a grounding strap.  Open up the box and vaccume<L >> it out well.  Remove all the PCI cards, and reseat them.  Reassemble, and >> boot. >>G >> If nothing has changed in how it's used, and what's installed, quiteiI >> frequently it ends up being a poorly seated card that has now vibratede' >> loose, as well as dust accumulation.- >-B >Tried that already. System was fairly clean already, reseated allF >PCI boards and memory, all fans running fine without any extra noise. >o# >> Kevin Handy wrote in message ...g >>4 >>>I'm having problems with a DS10 VMS 7.2-1 system.; >>>Remote customers site, no "DEC" field service agrements.s/ >>>Hoping for any ideas on tracing the problem.  >>>n: >>>It's been running fine for over a year, but recently it= >>>has been freezing up (usually sometime at night, but oftenu; >>>during the day). It sometimes stays up several days at ao8 >>>time. No software/hardware has recently been changed. >>>o9 >>>The graphics console seizes up at the same time (mouse = >>>cursor will not move, keyboard unresponsive), but anything 8 >>>on the screen remains there.  Nothing logged into the; >>>system error logs (just the usual boot, mount, timestampr? >>>messages). Nothing reported in the boot console 'show power's >>>command.d >>>y9 >>>Fans, connectors inside seem fine, system looks clean,a >>>no funny smells, etc. >>>e; >>>A printer is pluggen into the "serial console" port, but/, >>>nothing is printed on it when it freezes. >>>i< >>>I need things I can try without needing too much customer8 >>>work (they will only call me back several hours after5 >>>having reboted the system, and won't reliably type  >>>any commands given).? >>>s >> >> >> >D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:55:20 -0400e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>e8 Subject: Re: How to setup a VMS development environment?( Message-ID: <3D458F97.97CD1A2B@ohio.edu>  Y Or use a self-re-submitting batch job, initially submitted by a suitably privileged user, Y with the developer having either OPER privilege, or a suitable ACL on the queue and an ID 6 granted to the developer.  Then the developer can type  * $ SET ENTRY n/RELEASE/PARAM="whatever,etc"  X and the batch job, based on the parameter values, can do the INSTALL/REPLACE or whateverW is needed.  Blade-guards can be built in to the DCL by way of a list of images that aretW permitted to be requested, scanning for slashes in the parameter string that identifies  the image, etc.   D I just learned something about changing system time from the text at   	$ HELP SET ENTRY /RELEASE  / reading it for yourself is left as an exercise!l   								RDP    JF Mezei wrote:n >  > Didier Morandi wrote: P > > Then, if you implement privileged actions from the operating system, you askK > > your system manager to install your image with the required privileges.= > L > Problem with this is the testing/debugging stage when you need to compile,N > link, run, edit, compile, link, run, edit etc etc. Every time you recompile,) > the new image needs to be re-installed.. > M > Would it be acceptable to develop some software that runs in a process with-N > CMKRNL that has the ability to INSTALL/REPLACE known files based on requests > coming from known users ?r > L > (eg:upon generating a new .exe version, a user would send some request viaP > mailbox or decnet to the software which would do the install/replace on behalf > of the user.   -- ,B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:50:32 GMTN1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>   Subject: Re: HSG80 RAID5 Warning' Message-ID: <3D45D96D.640A37E2@fsi.net>    Kari Keronen wrote:l > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3D44AC9D.9688C83F@fsi.net...S& > > rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote: > > >n > > > Hi Folks,e > > >bL > > > Actually got hit by the following on our SAN Connected to our NT BoxesL > > > but I believe the same issue will be OS Independent and I'm sure there2 > > > may be a few folk out there that use HSG80s. > > > L > > > If you're running an HSG80s based SAN, with RAID5 Arrays created underK > > > ACS8.5 (or possibly earlier) and you've upgraded to ACS8.6 and you'vesJ > > > got Save Configuration on the RaidSet and you're running the largest> > > > Disks available, then you'll have the following problem. > > >cC > > > If a member of your RAID5 Set fails then you cannot get it toc > > > Reconstruct. > > >rL > > > The size of the Save Configuration Data increased from 8.5 to 8.6. So,J > > > if a Disk in your 8.5 RaidSet fails then the SpareSet or replacementF > > > disk is first evaluated for the Save Configuration Space. It nowL > > > reserves the new larger amount but then considers the remaining volume> > > > too small for the existing RAID5 Set and doesn't use it. > > > K > > > If you're not running the largest disks available then using a larger + > > > disk will get you around the problem.PI > > > Otherwise, you should consider re-initialising the RAID Set without  > > > Save Configuration.e > > J > > AFAIK, Save Configuration is not recommended for dual-redundant pairs, > > either.  > : > Actually it is not only "not recomended" but prohibited.  < It is, however, not prevented. You can still INIT disks withG SAVE_CONFIGURATION even in a dual-redundant pair. The software makes nos effort to stop you.r  / > From the Installaton and Configuration Guide:eI > "The SAVE CONFIGURATION switch is for a single-controller configurationI > only."  > I've seen this cause hangs in VMS SCSI clusters using HSZ50's.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:23:03 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nze  Subject: Re: HSG80 RAID5 Warning# Message-ID: <3d45db7c.1389337@news>Y  E On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:51:27 -0400, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>m wrote:   >Rob,n > G >If I recall correctly, this was an issue fixed in V8.6-10 (not sure ofN# >availability) of the ACS software.P > G >Also fixed in V8.7 of ACS which includes the fixes of previous versionT >up to and including V8.6-10.o  1 We were told a fix was issued and then withdrawn!"9 We're running 8.6 F-7, I've seen a -8 variant but not -10      >eH >Reference: (again, not sure of actual availability, so check with local >HP Storage folks)C >http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10917_div/10917_div.htmly >u >Regards >b >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >Hewlett-Packard CanadaR" >Consulting & Integration Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax   : 613-591-4477E >Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com0 >A >  >-----Original Message-----oJ >From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz [mailto:rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz]=20 >Sent: July 28, 2002 9:02 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: HSG80 RAID5 Warning  >  > 
 >Hi Folks, >dG >Actually got hit by the following on our SAN Connected to our NT Boxes G >but I believe the same issue will be OS Independent and I'm sure there - >may be a few folk out there that use HSG80s.  >sG >If you're running an HSG80s based SAN, with RAID5 Arrays created under-F >ACS8.5 (or possibly earlier) and you've upgraded to ACS8.6 and you'veE >got Save Configuration on the RaidSet and you're running the largeste9 >Disks available, then you'll have the following problem.m >>> >If a member of your RAID5 Set fails then you cannot get it to
 >Reconstruct.s >fG >The size of the Save Configuration Data increased from 8.5 to 8.6. So,yE >if a Disk in your 8.5 RaidSet fails then the SpareSet or replacementpA >disk is first evaluated for the Save Configuration Space. It now9G >reserves the new larger amount but then considers the remaining volumen9 >too small for the existing RAID5 Set and doesn't use it.  >-F >If you're not running the largest disks available then using a larger) >disk will get you around the problem.=20fI >Otherwise, you should consider re-initialising the RAID Set without Savec >Configuration.  >i >Rob.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:14:46 -0500c& From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>, Subject: Re: HSV , Snaps and older databases8 Message-ID: <d2fbkuch8icppu70i30gqfdkc102n7pt1k@4ax.com>  D On 29 Jul 2002 09:50:01 -0600, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote:  b >In article <60u3kugnppko0tnmkaf20o318igbkck2m1@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com> writes:   >d? >	Sure.  But those VRaids are in the same HSV cabinet... and if:@ >	that cabinet becomes wedged... I prefer to have storage in use@ >	in two different rooms, preferably far enough apart to opt out >	of painful DR testing ;-)M  F Ah, well, if you've got the money to spend on multiple HSVs, give us aE call! ;-)  So far pretty much all of my HSV implementations have beene single-cabinet installs.   >> >? >> Snapshots vs volume shadowing are just two different ways to G >> accomplish a goal.   Because of the way that Vraid-x is implemented,eA >> though, it doesn't seem to be worth the extra overhead to haveiH >> host-based volume shadowing to accomplish the goal.  YMMV, of course. >  >>A >	Wait a second.  I spent considerable email pain and many hours aI >	debating a competitor when their angle was "volume shadowing overhead."jG >	I admit there must be some CPU overhead, but certainly not enough to  H >	worry about.  Let me qualify that... if your read/write ratio is 85/15D >	volume shadowing is round robining on the reads (hardly a big loadC >	I would say) and doubling the writes, there is your CPU overhead.u  > Don't take that "overhead" statement too far.  I also have hadE discussions concerning the overhead and, in my experiences so far, it = is negligible in most cases (multi-site clusters, with longerlD latencies notwithstanding).  It's just another layer to worry about, if you don't really need to.  ) Not speaking for anyone, certainly not HP-- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:06:35 +1200O& From: A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> Subject: Invoking dbG Message-ID: <BFBEDDF2CFEDD411917400508BF3A6FFCBD59B@exchsvr.FSC.COM.FJ>P   Hi All  > I'm runnning Oracle Rdb V7.0-5, Gembase 5.6-3 on OpenVMS 7.2-2  H The problem I'm facing is I can't invoke a database from a remote node..  " eg.  database is sitting on Node AE I login on Node B and invoke the database from the node B.. The errorp message is     	N'  %RDB-F-IO_ERROR, input or output errorb  5 This happen on one database only... the rest are ok..N   your help will be appreciated$     AB   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:10:11 GMTc5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...2 Message-ID: <7yf19.20$GD2.881804@news.cpqcorp.net>  L It came out about the time when the initial Alpha stuff rolled out, and that= was that - end of the line, no new architectural development.t  K Here we have a chip architecture (IA64) that is complete and in production,eI and we are rolling out the last of the Alpha chip generations just as theoK VMS SW support for IA64 will be ready (as would have Tru64 if not for HP-UX L already being there).  Just as we didn't do anything after nVAX, we won't doL anything after EV7.  Nonetheless, we'll probable ship minor spins & tweaks -G like EV79, and platform knockoffs that the business justifies - to keep J Alpha customers in hardware during the transition.   But with no new major? work on Alpha chips or systems.  Just like we did with the VAX.e  K So where is the huge difference here?   It's the lack of the overlap periodeJ while we developed the new Alpha HW.  But in the IA64 case we already haveI the new HW architecture, we just need to add SW.  The only argument to be K made here is that it would have been nice to have started a year earlier onfK the SW port so we would have been able to ship on Itanium-2 on day-1, whichiF might have then argued for cancelling EV8 even earlier, and maybe even called into question EV7.f  J Once you make the decision to move to a new architecture, when do you stopK investing in the old one?  Answer:  As soon as you can.  EV8 would have notrK only cost money to put it into silicon, but would have continued to require E it's own system platform group, and would have split the SW resourcescJ between trying to deal with EV8/SMT, while trying to do the necessary workF to port to IA64 as the long term architecture.  Without enough people,; money, or time to be sucessful/profitable and do both IMHO.d      E Jan C. Vorbrggen wrote in message <3D456C81.ECA18E96@mediasec.de>...vL >> But it was for all intents and purposes killed in the same way.  Chip andF >> platform work wound down.  Minor platform work was done to keep VAXE >> customers in hardware.  But no new major work was done on VAX (and-	 certainlyeF >> no new architectural work) after the Alpha work started in earnest. >nG >'scuse me? I remember seeing - either in one, or in closely related in- time -L >issue(s) of the Digital Technical Journal a description of both the NVAX(+)> >and the 21064. They used the same fab process, came to marketJ >contemporaneously and ISTR used the same development tools. A chip with a new1 >microarchitecture: >is "minor platform work" and "no new architectural work"? >b > Jany   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:08:00 GMTe* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...C Message-ID: <4wf19.351785$Bt1.17728001@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>c  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026608A2@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net. .. Fred,-  ; >>> While the x86-64 strategy might interest Microsoft, <<<a  D A more interesting question might be "who will do the actual porting7 work to support a non-Intel platform with MS software?"e  F If previous experience is any indication (MIPS, PowerPC and Alpha), itF is the HW vendor that will have to incur not only the software portingA (e.g. 64bit stuff) expenses of any new full and point releases ofsH NT/W2K, but also its ongoing support while OS and other related softwareA revenues go to MS. That vendor will also likely have to pay MS top, officially support products like Office etc.   ***s  J You're looking in the wrong places for relevant previous experience:  lookF at how Athlon is supported in the areas where it differs from Pentium.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 13:08:49 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t4 Subject: RE: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...3 Message-ID: <C+RjLL5kK$hl@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026608A2@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > Fred,Q > < >>>> While the x86-64 strategy might interest Microsoft, <<< > F > A more interesting question might be "who will do the actual porting9 > work to support a non-Intel platform with MS software?"- > H > If previous experience is any indication (MIPS, PowerPC and Alpha), itH > is the HW vendor that will have to incur not only the software portingC > (e.g. 64bit stuff) expenses of any new full and point releases of J > NT/W2K, but also its ongoing support while OS and other related softwareC > revenues go to MS. That vendor will also likely have to pay MS tow1 > officially support products like Office etc.=20- >   F 	Exactly.  But watch Microsoft have to pay for this one out of pocket E 	just because they will not be beholden to Intel alone.  That is a BGeC 	scary thought that in the Wintel unholy alliance that Win would beuE 	under tel's thumb.  Gates won't have that.  tel must be under Win's yC 	thumb , hence there will be two 64 bit platforms and AMD certainlyaD 	can't shoulder the burden with the money they are currently losing.  F 	If that happens (MS doing the 64 bit port to AMD), watch the howl of G 	indignation come out of former Alpha , PowerPC and MIPS camps.  Tough!mG 	as far as Gates could care.  His business motives don't bow to anyone.>  @ 	I suspect the pricing moves that Intel is currently making are F 	designed to inflict MAXIMUM punishment on AMD.  A very weak AMD will D 	give Microsoft pause.  That and I suppose there is some behind the A 	scenes back scratching being performed by Intel even as we type  G 	to sweeten IA64 futures from a Microsoft perspective.  Porting dollarsyC 	and support probably with an untraceable quid-pro-quo on dragging 2C 	x86-64 porting efforts.  That would help from Intel's perspective.sE 	What does Microsoft get in addition?  Intel suddenly losing interestnF 	in Linux.  It isn't any wonder Linus wants x86-64 to succeed as IntelH 	will be forced to pump up the IA64 volume and Linux dollars.  If x86-64G 	is a marketplace flop, the future for cross-platform 64-bit computing e 	will converge on IA64.g  A 	Interesting to see how this all shakes out and whether x86-64 ist@ 	DOA.  Solaris on x86-64?  Sure... if they want to freeze their  	UltraSparc sales*, NOT!   				Rob     K * Solaris and x86 is a love hate relationship.  x86-64 will enter into thatnN   same relationship and sow confusion about future direction.  Totally freeze?N   No.. but sow enough confusion to momentarily.. and since a 4-way x86-64 willK   no doubt outperform UltraSparc leaves US in a bad way in the most popularn
   segment.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2002 01:27:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...- Message-ID: <87n0sa78ck.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:-  C > The only regret I have is that we didn't start the port to IA64 a<F > year or so earlier... because we could be selling VMS on those < $5k > Itanium 2 workstations today.A  * Where can I find details of <$5K machines?   -- ,< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.L@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:03:08 GMTn5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>t4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...2 Message-ID: <0ch19.23$JG2.958548@news.cpqcorp.net>  
 www.hp.com  K The single CPU Itanium-2 workstation (zx2000) is listed as starting at justAL under $5000.  We've just ordered a bunch, along with rx2600 dual CPU servers for development.      D Paul Repacholi wrote in message <87n0sa78ck.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...8 >"Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: >sD >> The only regret I have is that we didn't start the port to IA64 aG >> year or so earlier... because we could be selling VMS on those < $5ke  >> Itanium 2 workstations today. >.+ >Where can I find details of <$5K machines?e >  >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,f8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076f/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.eG >EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.o   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 18:35:24 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)=4 Subject: Re: Itanic2 - the cHumPaq spin continues...3 Message-ID: <tFLe8UqUHAzv@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  [ In article <3D42CEC5.326CD70A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:d  E > I know we've had words here, also. So, I must be honest: you'd haveeD > garnered more credibility (does that word hold value for you?) forJ > yourself had you addressed Bill's comments about trust and trust broken.  C Whereas _my_ reaction is that Fred reduces his usefulness everytimeyB he clutters my newsreader responding to Bill Todd, whose remarks I# would otherwise not have to suffer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:04:26 +0100lU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>O4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)0 Message-ID: <ai3sj0$ncn$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:  G > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:43:01 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyl6 > <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote: >  >  >> >>jlsue wrote: >> >> > @ >>>You are so full of shit it keeps coming out of your keyboard.F >>>I put the same amount of "detail" into my reference that was in the >>>quoted one. >>>n >>>e >>6 >>Do you always resort to abuse when you get stuck ??? >> > # > Hey Andy, pot... kettle... black. ( > You're so full of irony it just drips. > G > BTW, re-read the thread I responded to.  You fired the first salvo of  > abuse.  Grow up. >     . Where did I abuse you in the previous thread ?  6 If you can find it then you are a much more sensitive    soul than you appear to be.e     >  >>F >>>Just to keep you a little more informed, the clustered environments> >>>include over 250 different applications.  Some of them wereA >>>e-mail/messaging, some were scientific & statistics, some wereh3 >>>database - both Rdb and Oracle (V6.x varieties).v >>>f >>>t >>/ >>You still seem unable to answer the question.  >>= >>Were you running a single Oracle DBMS across multiple nodesi2 >>what was the workload, what was the scalability. >> > G > Well, duh!!!  What the hell did you think I was doing when entering amE > note about Oracle scalability in a VMScluster?  These were multiplei& > nodes.  Same databases on all nodes. > F > I apologize for mistakenly mixing my explanation.  I think I referedH > to specific apps at one point and multiple apps in another.  My intentA > was to document that there are many cases where VMSclusters can 6 > provide N+1 reliability as well as good scalability. > C > The Oracle databases consisted of different workloads.  Some wererG > large-scale (hundreds of GB in the 1993 time-frame).  One was used togE > provide reporting capabilities to an SAP database.  The company didMD > not want to bog down the SAP system with ad-hoc business reportingG > (since it was doing mission critical, global activity).  They extract)H > the data into an Oracle database on a VMScluster and business managers@ > around the globe perform ad-hoc reporting.  High uptime.  Good! > scalability.  Everyone's happy.w > B > Another cluster had a mix of Oracle and Rdb databases.  WorkloadD > varied.  However response time, being spread among all systems was > highly scalable. > ? > I've worked on more transactional-based servers as well.  One7G > VMScluster had 3 AlphaServers and over 6000 simultaneous connections.eF > If they need more room, sometimes they upgrade processors, sometimes" > they add systems to the cluster. >     B You still seem terminally incapable of answering the question, yesA clustering gives you N+1 resiliance, that we know. What you don'tJB seem to want to answer is what scalability you got. Was it 2x when7 moving from 1 to 2 nodes, was it less, how much was it.y  = The whole discussion was until you lept in flailing about thee6 work involved in acheiving scalability in a cluster or: using a large SMP machine. Nothing that you have posted so8 far illuminates this discussion with anything that could be described as a fact.   9 The only thing that I have discovered is that for someoneg: so trenchant in their views you appear to have a very thin, skin, not necessarely and ideal combination.     > ; >>Phenominal, fantastic and amazingly low may well be exact ? >>measures in yuor world but they arn't in most of my customerso4 >>unless you happen to be talking to a sales person. >> > E > Well, this isn't a sales pitch.  I don't have to be exact.  This isrF > merely a topical, informal discussion.  If we get into anything that( > requires more exact data, let me know. >     2 Well if you arn't going to be exact or even mildly0 inexact then what did you think you contribution0 was going to add to the discussion. All you have0 managed to do so far is maintain what is for you the status quo.      >  >>D >>>>And why would license units be a direct measure of performance ? >>>> >>>> >>>>D >>>Hmm... I  was trying to show scalability, cost, and availability.I >>>License units refer to cost - and if you're talking about Oracle, thisD >>>is a big issue. >>>d >>>n >>@ >>Humm, so what you are really saying is that Digitals licensing= >>system didn't make any sense based on the capability of the3
 >>servers. >> > B > No.  If I said that, please explain where.  Servers are servers,F > workstations are (generally) not.  We (the company I worked for, notG > DEC/CPQ/HP)  were using workstations as servers in this one instance.r >     : So Digital charged ludicrous license fees for "servers" so8 its was sensible to use similar capacity but licenced as- workstations systems which were much cheaper.f  0 I guess we agree even if its taken you some time to get there !  2 As ever the pleasure of conversing with you is all mine.s     Regardsm   Andrew Harrisona   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:51:45 -0500 & From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@screaminet.com>4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)8 Message-ID: <00gbkug0a1spc3copp6nhmtdiea81tp12f@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:04:26 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyg4 <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:   >b >o
 >jlsue wrote:, >tH >> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:43:01 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy7 >> <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:o >> g >> h >>>d  H >> BTW, re-read the thread I responded to.  You fired the first salvo of >> abuse.  Grow up.' >> e >a >o/ >Where did I abuse you in the previous thread ?c >i7 >If you can find it then you are a much more sensitive , >  >soul than you appear to be.  # Ah, yes.  Re-read your responses ine& <ah6cf6$6vi$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>.      In the original response I made> <27jmiuo83hh1j33ri0egsna0e6vomg1i50@4ax.com>, I was counteringC specific points you made.  There was no request in there concerning-> specific performance/scalability requirements.  I address yourF specific points with as much information as they call for, and in yourB response (the first one mentioned above) you can't seem to contain@ yourself enough to stay on topic.  Instead, you feel the need toD attack me personally.  Then what?  Now you're standing around saying "Who?  Me?"t  sC I work in the real world.  I know what customers are demanding frommD their applications and environments, and it's not always the perfect	 solution.r   > C >You still seem terminally incapable of answering the question, yes B >clustering gives you N+1 resiliance, that we know. What you don'tC >seem to want to answer is what scalability you got. Was it 2x wheng8 >moving from 1 to 2 nodes, was it less, how much was it.  C In some cases it was very close to 2x.  In others, not so much.  It E really is dependent on the environment.  But performance alone is not  the only scalability issue.i   >o> >The whole discussion was until you lept in flailing about the7 >work involved in acheiving scalability in a cluster ora; >using a large SMP machine. Nothing that you have posted so 9 >far illuminates this discussion with anything that couldT >be described as a fact.  F No, you're wrong.  Re-look at the specific response I made.  There wasC nothing in there specifically about measuring scalability to some % $ accuracy.  In fact, the topics were:   1.	Training requirements	 2.	Tuningk 3.	Financial Penalties 4.	Storage requirementss' 5.	Apps support of cluster environmentsl  F Not a one was scalability vs SMP.  I do not claim that VMScluster will@ provide the same performance scalability as a larger SMP system.       >> pF >> Well, this isn't a sales pitch.  I don't have to be exact.  This isG >> merely a topical, informal discussion.  If we get into anything that ) >> requires more exact data, let me know.r >>   >r >r3 >Well if you arn't going to be exact or even mildlyh1 >inexact then what did you think you contributionr1 >was going to add to the discussion. All you haven1 >managed to do so far is maintain what is for youe >the status quo.  F I was addressing your specific points in one particular posting.  Your: status quo seems to be, if you can't counter with anything# intelligent, throw insults instead.c     >>>t >> uC >> No.  If I said that, please explain where.  Servers are servers,oG >> workstations are (generally) not.  We (the company I worked for, notsH >> DEC/CPQ/HP)  were using workstations as servers in this one instance. >> , >o >,; >So Digital charged ludicrous license fees for "servers" so 9 >its was sensible to use similar capacity but licenced ass. >workstations systems which were much cheaper.  D Oh yeah, in the previous comment I forgot one other "status quo" forC you:  If you can't offer anything of value, pretend to restate yourBA opponents' view in YOUR words (i.e., *not* mine).  This helps your7 appear to make a point, even if it *is* make-up-a-fact..  B First off, I didn't say they were "similar capacity".  I said theyC were similar CPU speed.  Certainly you could get many more users onp@ one VAX 6000-610 than on a VAXstation Model 90, though they wereC similar CPU speed.  However, cluster a few of the M90s together ande- you had a decent cluster at a bit lower cost.t  F And, I'm not saying that Digital's software licensing wasn't ludicrousD either... ;-)  However, If a Sun workstation has a similar CPU speed> as a server, are you telling me that software licensing on theE workstation is sane enough compared to the server that it would nevert? make sense to forego high-end server costs by using clusters ofM smaller workstations?  a  D I don't know how clustering works in the Sun world, but, truly, in aC VMScluser world, the managment and workload balancing can sometimesM& make it a very attractive alternative.  ) Not speaking for anyone, certainly not HPg- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)s   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 23:15:13 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation.... ?* Message-ID: <ai4ia1$m9j$6@web1.cup.hp.com>  k In article <4da983bf.0207260440.7c4d09e9@posting.google.com>, david.m.gray@bigfoot.com (David Gray) writes:.: :Does anyone know an alternate location for online OpenVMSF :documentation?  The link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/ has :been broken for a few days.  F   The OpenVMS FAQ has included parallel URL references to the OpenVMS B   documentation website for several editions now, as there are IP A   prohibitions in place at various sites.  These site-specific IPYD   restrictions can preclude access to non-default IP ports, such as ;   the 8000 port that is used for the OpenVMS documentation.E  0   Put another way, please try the following URL:  &     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:47:46 GMTi1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s1 Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft set-top boxes dial 911O' Message-ID: <3D45D8C7.81741093@fsi.net>g   Dean Woodward wrote: >  > Alan Greig wrote:  > >wH > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/07/24/msntv.prank.reut/index.html > >h > > Extract: > >p. > > Microsoft: Prank forces MSN TV to dial 9110 > > July 24, 2002 Posted: 3:52 PM EDT (1952 GMT) > > I > > SAN FRANCISCO, California (Reuters) -- Microsoft Corp. has discoveredrH > > that some users of its MSN TV service have downloaded a program thatI > > makes their set-tops dial the 911 emergency number instead of regulare2 > > dial-up numbers, a spokeswoman said Wednesday. > G > Yep, MS has the "security" problem licked.  Well, drooled on, anyway.   E Really? "Drooled on"? Looks more like someone tossed their cookies...    --   David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/g   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 16:37:26 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)iN Subject: ot: Not so philosophical disk quota problem (was: Philosophical ACLs)3 Message-ID: <T0OHwFmd3Ycg@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  ~ In article <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660896@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >  > Re: disk quota's ..p > > >>>> Because they can be a pain in the butt to administer. <<< > H > Unfortunately, the virtual disk drive with unlimited space has not yet > been invented. >   ? And when it is invented you can rest assured that the Micro$ofta: OS of that time will require all but 640k of that space to= install the OS.  (Due to a virus triggered by the OS install,a7 infinite space becomes limited space, leaving only 640k8= available.  The virus exploits a divide by the square root of*@ minus one errata in the Intel chip that is running the install. @ This causes the spacetime quirk used to achive infinite space to= re-fold the "disk surface" back into normal space.  Your dataw- still exists.  Unfortunately, it is in 1981.)4   (smirk)    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:47:00 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>$ Subject: Re: printer status question5 Message-ID: <290720021740266218%paul.anderson@hp.com>   < In article <3D3EED08.E3A2BB14@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron  <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> wrote:  G > I have used stop/queue/reset post$print and then restarted the queue.yE > I then submit this job and it remains in Starting status and is notoG > printing. There are no error messages showing on the queue or printero > itself. Any suggestions?  D If the DCPS job is "starting", it means the printer is not accepting! the connection for the print job.   @ If this is a new queue on your system, check to see that you areF specifying the correct port number in DCPS$STARTUP (often 9100).  SomeD printers require the use of the logical name DCPS$queuename_NO_SYNC;= see the DCPS Release Notes or System Manager's Guide for more- information.  D If you have printed to this printer before from this queue, and yourF queue is set up properly, it is possible the printer has become wedged5 for some reason, so you might want to power cycle it.p   Paul   -- g  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineerings   Hewlett-Packard CompanyA   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:09:45 -0400e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>. Subject: Re: Running an .EXE from a .COM file.5 Message-ID: <1020730005441.6055A-100000@Ives.egh.com>.  ! On 29 Jul 2002, Rob Kersey wrote:r  G > I am trying to run an .exe from within a .com file. The .exe requires.@ > input back from the user before it exits on the users request. >=20H > The problem that I am having is that the .com file does not pause whenE > it gets to the running of the .exe unless I use SPAWN/WAIT. However8H > the .com file is being run from within a captive account and therefore > no spawning is allowed.A >=20H > Is there another way to run an .exe and get the com file to pause/wait > before it continues.  E From=20your description of the problem, I think you have a Unix modelaF of what happens when a .com runs a program.  The .com doesn't continueG executing until the program exits.  There is only a single process. [*]       B What you need to do is to get the program to accept input from the@ terminal (so the user can type at it), rather than expecting itsE input to come from the .com file.  You accomplish that by redirecting + its input stream to come from the terminal.o  ,   $ ASSIGN/USER_MODE SYS$COMMAND:  SYS$INPUTG   $ RUN YOUR_PROGRAM=09! or whatever command you use to start the prog.o  > The ASSIGN statement redirects SYS$INPUT (the input stream) to? SYS$COMMAND:  For an interactive process, SYS$COMMAND points tosA terminal.  For a batch job, it points to the top-level .com file,o: but since you mention interacting with a user in a captiveC account, I'm assuming the context here is an interactive process=20RB executing the login command file (usually LOGIN.COM) or some other  .COM called from the login .COM.  C The "/USER_MODE" qualifier causes the logical name to be deassignedoA at the next program exit, so that the input stream will revert to A the .COM file when the program exits.  (By default, logical namesiA created in DCL are assigned in SUPERVISOR mode, and persist untild explicitly deassigned.)t   Hope this helps.    @ [*] Unless you force the program to run in a subprocess by using> SPAWN/NOWAIT or as an independent process by using RUN/DETACH.   --=20u John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 22:41:57 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: sftp for OpenVMS * Message-ID: <ai4gbl$m9j$3@web1.cup.hp.com>  M In article <3d4102ae$1@news.post.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes:n. :I asume, this is not available on VMS, is it?  %   Hello and welcome to comp.os.vms.  s  G   Some tools you will want to be aware of include the google newsgroup bL   archives (www.openvms.compaq.com), the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions C   (FAQ) document (www.openvms.compaq.com), and the OpenVMS website s   (www.openvms.compaq.com).   E   For details on how to ask a question, please see the FAQ -- we willhG   usually some need details such as the platform and the version.  Why?bD   Because support and availability can and does vary by version.  WeF   can also sometimes require some background on a problem as questionsG   -- and particularly one- or two-line questions -- can be surprisinglyaH   ambiguous.  The FAQ has an introduction to this, including the details-   that can be required for various questions.   G   In the specific case of FTP support, you will find that most OpenVMS kH   systems are sold with a TCP/IP package and many such systems have thisG   or a third-party IP stack installed, and that all of the available IP F   stacks include both the FTP client and the FTP server.  So the short   answer is "yes".  E   Now if your site is running an ancient OpenVMS version or such, youhG   might have problems.  As of this writing, OpenVMS V7.3 is the currentr<   release, and TCP/IP Services V5.3 is the current IP stack.  F   If OpenVMS V6.2 or later, you can use most any installed (compliant)H   IP stack with then-new DCL commands such as COPY/FTP amd DIRECTORY/FTP?   and such.  Details on these commands are in the HELP library.e    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 22:51:25 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: sftp for OpenVMS * Message-ID: <ai4gtd$m9j$4@web1.cup.hp.com>  M In article <3d4102ae$1@news.post.ch>, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de> writes:s. :I asume, this is not available on VMS, is it?  A   I just saw the "s" on the FTP.  So much for my reading ability.o  G   OpenSSH is pending release with OpenVMS V7.3-1, so yes, (AFAIK) sFTP     will be available on OpenVMS.e  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 14:42:29 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) Subject: Sort file protectione= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0207291342.4b6a5c87@posting.google.com>    OpenVMS 7.3c  C Sorry for the long post. This is gonna get mangled. Names have been / changed to protect the innocent and all that...a  * However - am I missing something here?!?!?  : ICITST[APOLLO]: CONVERT/STAT/FDL=foobar.FDL foobar_logical
 sys$login:x.ysF %SORT-F-OPENOUT, error opening DKB500:[SORTWORK]SORT1_00000468.TMP; as output? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violationd# ICITST[APOLLO]: sho dev/full DKB500D  > Disk APOLLO$DKB500:, device type COMPAQ BD0186459A, is online, mounted, file-F     oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled.  F     Error count                    0    Operations completed                990F     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM];     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot           n S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WDF     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512F     Current preferred CPU Id       3    Fastpath                              1F     Total blocks            35565080    Sectors per track                   254F     Total cylinders             7001    Tracks per cylinder                  20  F     Volume label               "FOO"    Relative volume number                0F     Cluster size                  35    Transaction count                     1F     Free blocks             32450355    Maximum files allowed            493959F     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           17     Mount status              System    Cache name     O "_APOLLO$DKB0:XQPCACHE"0F     Extent cache size            256    Maximum blocks in extent cache  3245035B     File ID cache size           256    Blocks currently in extent cache3244570F     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache       66003     Volume owner UIC         [100,0]    Vol Prot   i S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCDe  B   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, write-back cachings       enabled.  4 ICITST[APOLLO]: dir/full DKB500:[000000]sortwork.dir   Directory DKB500:[000000]i  1 SORTWORK.DIR;1                File ID:  (702,1,0)c0 Size:            1/35         Owner:    [foowho]" Created:   26-JUN-2002 08:50:34.02' Revised:   29-JUL-2002 14:27:22.38 (10)p Expires:   <None specified>f Backup:    <No backup recorded>  Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>e File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online  Caching attribute:  WritethroughF File attributes:    Allocation: 35, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0,C                     No default version limit, Contiguous, Directorym fileC Record format:      Variable length, maximum 512 bytes, longest 512u bytes 4 Record attributes:  No carriage control, Non-spanned RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: NoneC File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 1/35 blocks.h     ICITST[APOLLO]: sho log sort*r   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)r  #   "SORTDISK1" = "DKB500:[SORTWORK]"n#   "SORTDISK2" = "DKB500:[SORTWORK]"e#   "SORTDISK3" = "DKB500:[SORTWORK]"i#   "SORTDISK4" = "DKB500:[SORTWORK]"a.   "SORTWORK0" = "SYS$LOGIN:SORT0_00000468.TMP".   "SORTWORK1" = "SORTDISK0:SORT1_00000468.TMP".   "SORTWORK2" = "SORTDISK1:SORT1_00000468.TMP".   "SORTWORK3" = "SORTDISK2:SORT1_00000468.TMP".   "SORTWORK4" = "SORTDISK3:SORT1_00000468.TMP".   "SORTWORK5" = "SORTDISK4:SORT1_00000468.TMP"  
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 (foologicals)h   (LNM$JOB_813B6400)   (LNM$GROUP_000001)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  #   "SORTDISK0" = "DKB500:[SORTWORK]" #   "SORTDISK1" = "DKB600:[SORTWORK]" #   "SORTDISK2" = "DKC000:[SORTWORK]"q#   "SORTDISK3" = "DKC100:[SORTWORK]"r#   "SORTDISK4" = "DKC200:[SORTWORK]"b   "SORTSHR_TV" = "SORTSHR"   (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:37:38 -0400a0 From: "Syltrem" <syltremspammenot@videotron.com>4 Subject: There's an ex-M$ among the VMS developpers!4 Message-ID: <BOg19.7383$H67.39373@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>  K A microsoft programmer has found his way into the dec/compaq/hp developmenteF team and is at work decreasing the throughput quality of the programs.  & Today I ran a program which returned a6 stupid-unmeaningful-idiot-weendoze-like error message.   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:CONVERT_PROXY: %SECSRV-I-CONVERT, converting proxy database to new formatG Error!   - Not allowed to open old proxy database. Most likely open ford write by  another user.' Warning! - Proxy conversion terminated.S  H HP! You must fire the person who wrote that insignificant piece of code!! Right now! S/he may be dangerous!   L The real reason behind the error was "%RMS-E-FNF, file not found". If the OSI gives the exact reason for the error, why doesn't the application programu< return it to the user? This is OpenVMS, not Window$ or Un*x.
 AARRRGGGH!= No more of this please! One in over 20 years if one too many.e  K I take this opportunity to thank all OpenVMS engineers and development teamaE who have made such wonderful work over the years (excluding this here  above!)e   --   SyltremtI http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site - en franais)m> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 18:55:52 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e* Subject: Re: Using PCA on an Apache module3 Message-ID: <RRaXKXT0gQ+4@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  d In article <ai3vbe$11cpmd$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>, "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> writes:< > I'm trying to investigate performance of an Apache module.  B I don't know much about Apache, but I thought it was written in C.   Does Apache use DECthreads ?  6 The last I knew, PCA was incompatible with DECthreads.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 23:09:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: VMS IP set password utility?a* Message-ID: <ai4hvm$m9j$5@web1.cup.hp.com>  n In article <b64ef43.0207260329.6d79db8f@posting.google.com>, kevin_heikkila@yahoo.com (Kevin Heikkila) writes:O :I was wondering if someone knows of a set password utility that will work overfN :IP (HP's TCPIP Services for OpenVMS and Process' Multinet). It doesn't matter- :if it is DCL or an executable (with source).   J   Kerberos-based external authentication would be the most obvious option    here.m  J   A secure "SET PASSWORD" mechanism is a whole lot more difficult than it    might initially appear.l    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 21:46:26 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?-* Message-ID: <ai4d3i$m9j$2@web1.cup.hp.com>  u In article <58ba0101.0207250659.939a225@posting.google.com>, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) writes:-  D :I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generateE :numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsmG :from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveiC :more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I: :have two  entry no. 1s ?a  D   The job entry number is an opaque longword value, and there is no C   formal documentation of the algorithm used to generate the entry eD   number available, nor any formal documentation around exactly how F   OpenVMS uses nor expands the range of available entry number values.  D   You can be assured that there will not be duplicate entry numbers D   permitted up to the limit of entry numbers (IIRC, that is 100,000 E   simultaneous job entries in the current implementation scheme) and  F   you can be assured that you will receive errors if you try to queue G   more than the limits, but you will not want to assume anything other  G   than the uniqueness of the entry number and that the number involved sC   will fit within a longword; you will want to assume that the job t%   entry number is an opaque longword.r  I   Short of a complete queue database rebuild, there is no way to control -G   the processing of the job entries -- and again, you should NOT assumeeG   that you know that, say, job 4 will be the next entry number assignedlC   after job 3.  There ARE discontinuities in the allocation scheme.aE   (And note that a rebuild of the database does tend simply to delay oG   the inevitable, since -- if your entry range was expanded once -- the ,   range will probably get expanded again.)    G   We have had some brief design discussions around an enhancement that rH   would allow you to reset the next-entry counter back down to (say) 1, I   but that capability has not been implemented and should not be assumed.t  G   The Google newsgroup archives will find previous similar discussions.a  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:47:56 +020019 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>eQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?c' Message-ID: <3D45D42C.6AE102E1@aaa.com>D  5 In a test I run a couple of months ago, I was able toe1 queue well over 100.000 entries. Yes, the numbers 2 got a bit "funny" and the output of SHOW QUEUE got/ "*****" instead of entry numbers, but I *had* >q1 100.000 entries on a single queue without gettingS any error messages.    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    Hoff Hoffman wrote:h > E >   You can be assured that there will not be duplicate entry numbersoE >   permitted up to the limit of entry numbers (IIRC, that is 100,000fF >   simultaneous job entries in the current implementation scheme) andG >   you can be assured that you will receive errors if you try to queue  >   more than the limits,...   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2002 18:46:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Windows backdoor reported here??n3 Message-ID: <JWlU5Sc56nyo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <3D42D7B5.8090007@qsl.network>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: > GreyCloud wrote:: >> A while back, some poster posted that they had found 52? >> occurrences of _NSAKEY in some part of windows code.  Anyoneu >> be able to verify that??? > B > That [NON]issue has been reported on many sites on the internet.F > If you have concerns, please search the http://www.microsoft.com or $ > other search engines for "nsakey". > K > Short answer, there is no evidence that the name of the registry key has a@ > anything to do with any government agencies, real or imagined.  L Which is the same for the VMS Data Structures KGB$whatever and CIA$whatever.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2002 23:43:41 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: X10 Home Automation Software for VMS * Message-ID: <ai4jvd$m9j$8@web1.cup.hp.com>  S In article <3D43781A.5738754F@earthlink.net>, ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> writes:o     [seeking x10 for OpenVMS]o  G   There is some software posted in topic 3064 of the Encompasserve VMS eE   notes conference; software for using the CM11 widgets with OpenVMS.*  ;     http://www.encompasserve.org/conferences/VMS_NEW_3.HTMLn     If can read Dutch, try:e  .     http://home.wanadoo.nl/wp.klein/x10-va.htm  7   At the bottom, you'll find a link or two of interest.e  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.416 ************************ing with a user in a captiveC account, I'm assuming the context                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         ¡    á    ġ    š    ơ    ǡ    ȡ    ɡ    ʡ    ˡ    ̡    ͡    Ρ    ϡ    С    ѡ    ҡ    ӡ    ԡ    ա    ֡    ס    ء    ١    ڡ    ۡ    ܡ    ݡ    ޡ    ߡ    ࡞    ᡞ    ⡞    㡞    䡞    塞    桞    硞    衞    類    ꡞ    롞    졞                𡞪    񡞪    򡞪    󡞪                                                    