1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 31 Jul 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 419       Contents:> Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS boxB Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box, attn Hoff:  who updates the porting library?0 Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction0 Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?  Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?  Re: Credit Where Credit is Due DOE x HP CertificateP Re: Fortran compiler was(RE: Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/?) www# Help - Problem with keys in editor. ' Re: Help - Problem with keys in editor. ' RE: Help - Problem with keys in editor.   Help - Problem with keys in TPU.  Help - Problem with keys in TPU.1 How to read DECnet-Plus counters from crash dump? 5 Re: How to read DECnet-Plus counters from crash dump? 5 Re: How to read DECnet-Plus counters from crash dump?  Re: Jnet Programming Manual  Re: Locked Tape$c device Re: Locked Tape$c device Re: Locked Tape$c device* Re: Need 80' Fortran/VAX training material% Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS! % Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS! + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) + RE: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) + Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) 8 OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody here* Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMS* Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMS* Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMS8 Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 (long)8 Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 (long) Re: RDB Question.. Re: reseller info requested  Re: reseller info requested 5 String to perform a conversational boot on a vax 4700 9 Re: String to perform a conversational boot on a vax 4700   Using IBM drives on alpha system$ Re: Using IBM drives on alpha system$ Re: Using IBM drives on alpha system$ Re: Using IBM drives on alpha systemH Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?H Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:58:27 +0200 / From: Rainer Burger <rainer.burger@siemens.com> G Subject: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box * Message-ID: <3D47C2D3.3000604@siemens.com>  = If anyone can give me please a hint on the following problem:   E In an existing environment, we have a ALPHA box running OPENVMS 7.1.  L Also installed is a ORACLE Database (7 version) including clients and forms.I Now a new system is added with Windows NT and a Microsoft SQL server 200  I database. The programs on the ALPHA should access the database on the NT   machine too.  I Is there a way like an ODBC driver for VMS to MS SQL server or any other  I way? Can anybody give me a hint where to look. Would be nice if there is  3 a way like embedded SQL programming on the VMS box.   E What I have found so far is the Website of the company Merant, which  F seems to have offered somthing like that. Results from search engines G seem to be older links that point to a new page, on which I can't find   anything about my problem.    Your help is highly appreciated.   Thanks Rainer   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:20:46 +0200 / From: Rainer Burger <rainer.burger@siemens.com> K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box * Message-ID: <3D47C80E.5000408@siemens.com>  H No, that not what i'am looking for, but if it contains a possibility to < access ths MS SQL server, it might be the (only?) soulution.   Thanks Rainer   Nic Clews schrieb: > Rainer Burger wrote: >  > F >>What I have found so far is the Website of the company Merant, whichG >>seems to have offered somthing like that. Results from search engines H >>seem to be older links that point to a new page, on which I can't find >>anything about my problem. >  > F > Merant indeed have some VMS offerings which they are trying to scaleF > down in favour of UNIX and Windows solutions. Someone is "working onG > them" to persuade them this isn't quite the right way to go with VMS.  > E > Most of this is based around their PVCS Dimensions product which is F > effectively a multiple platform [DEC] CMS, using the Oracle database
 > over TCPIP.  > A > I don't actually think this is what you are looking for though.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:08:13 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box ) Message-ID: <3D47C51D.F48731EC@127.0.0.1>    Rainer Burger wrote: >   F > What I have found so far is the Website of the company Merant, whichG > seems to have offered somthing like that. Results from search engines H > seem to be older links that point to a new page, on which I can't find > anything about my problem.  D Merant indeed have some VMS offerings which they are trying to scaleD down in favour of UNIX and Windows solutions. Someone is "working onE them" to persuade them this isn't quite the right way to go with VMS.   C Most of this is based around their PVCS Dimensions product which is D effectively a multiple platform [DEC] CMS, using the Oracle database over TCPIP.   ? I don't actually think this is what you are looking for though.  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:58:43 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box ' Message-ID: <3D47D0F3.9C94CA4B@aaa.com>   > Many moons ago, when the "MS SQL Server" still was the same asF the "Sybase SQL Server for NT" (to a large degree it still is, b.t.w),= you could use the client API's from Sybase to access a MS SQL ? Server. That API was at the time called "Open CLient" and there  was (is ?) a VMS kit of it.   B Now, perhaps the same interface still works against MS SQL Server,
 I don't know.    Jan-Erik Sderholm     Rainer Burger wrote: > ? > If anyone can give me please a hint on the following problem:  > F > In an existing environment, we have a ALPHA box running OPENVMS 7.1.N > Also installed is a ORACLE Database (7 version) including clients and forms.J > Now a new system is added with Windows NT and a Microsoft SQL server 200J > database. The programs on the ALPHA should access the database on the NT > machine too. > J > Is there a way like an ODBC driver for VMS to MS SQL server or any otherJ > way? Can anybody give me a hint where to look. Would be nice if there is5 > a way like embedded SQL programming on the VMS box.  > F > What I have found so far is the Website of the company Merant, whichG > seems to have offered somthing like that. Results from search engines H > seem to be older links that point to a new page, on which I can't find > anything about my problem. > " > Your help is highly appreciated. >  > Thanks > Rainer   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:22:37 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box 8 Message-ID: <qflfkuk4qe0haglm786ufurs0gtkg88glr@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:58:27 +0200, Rainer Burger " <rainer.burger@siemens.com> wrote:  > >If anyone can give me please a hint on the following problem: > F >In an existing environment, we have a ALPHA box running OPENVMS 7.1. M >Also installed is a ORACLE Database (7 version) including clients and forms. J >Now a new system is added with Windows NT and a Microsoft SQL server 200 J >database. The programs on the ALPHA should access the database on the NT 
 >machine too.  > J >Is there a way like an ODBC driver for VMS to MS SQL server or any other J >way? Can anybody give me a hint where to look. Would be nice if there is 4 >a way like embedded SQL programming on the VMS box.  9 Atunity Connect (formerly ISG Navigator) www.attunity.com    Be aware that it isn't cheap.   F >What I have found so far is the Website of the company Merant, which G >seems to have offered somthing like that. Results from search engines  H >seem to be older links that point to a new page, on which I can't find  >anything about my problem.  > ! >Your help is highly appreciated.  >  >Thanks  >Rainer    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:30:31 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box ) Message-ID: <3D47E677.3F11F9B9@gtech.com>    Rainer Burger wrote:F > In an existing environment, we have a ALPHA box running OPENVMS 7.1.N > Also installed is a ORACLE Database (7 version) including clients and forms.J > Now a new system is added with Windows NT and a Microsoft SQL server 200J > database. The programs on the ALPHA should access the database on the NT > machine too. > J > Is there a way like an ODBC driver for VMS to MS SQL server or any otherJ > way? Can anybody give me a hint where to look. Would be nice if there is5 > a way like embedded SQL programming on the VMS box.   > If you are either using Java or could use Java, then there are> a JDBC driver for SQLServer 2000, so you could access the data via standard JDBC calls.  @ There are ODBC for VMS (Attunity Connect or soemthing like that). that may be able to connect to SQLServer 2000.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:46:18 -0500 7 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.telocity.com> K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box 9 Message-ID: <B96D545A.12F%craigberry@nospam.telocity.com>   * In article <3D47C2D3.3000604@siemens.com>,1  Rainer Burger <rainer.burger@siemens.com> wrote:   F > In an existing environment, we have a ALPHA box running OPENVMS 7.1.N > Also installed is a ORACLE Database (7 version) including clients and forms.J > Now a new system is added with Windows NT and a Microsoft SQL server 200J > database. The programs on the ALPHA should access the database on the NT > machine too. > J > Is there a way like an ODBC driver for VMS to MS SQL server or any other > way?    = These are the commercial products I know about (may not be an  exhaustive list):   # Attunity: <http://www.attunity.com>   < EasySoft: <http://www.easysoft.com/products/2002/main.phtml>  I OpenRDA: <http://www.atinet.com/Products/OpenRDA/ODBC_UNIX/ODBC_Unix.asp>   B I think most or all of these require the installation of a specialH service on the Windows side, which depending on who you go with will runB you 800-2000 USD for one license last time I checked.  If you're a9 do-it-yourselfer you could also look into porting FreeTDS  (www.freetds.org).     ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 08:33:03 -0700: From: craig.berry@signaltreesolutions.com (Craig A. Berry)K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box = Message-ID: <aae510ff.0207310733.3beb3627@posting.google.com>   * In article <3D47C2D3.3000604@siemens.com>,1  Rainer Burger <rainer.burger@siemens.com> wrote:   G > In an existing environment, we have a ALPHA box running OPENVMS 7.1.  N > Also installed is a ORACLE Database (7 version) including clients and forms.K > Now a new system is added with Windows NT and a Microsoft SQL server 200  K > database. The programs on the ALPHA should access the database on the NT   > machine too. > K > Is there a way like an ODBC driver for VMS to MS SQL server or any other   > way?      > These are the commercial products I know about (may not be an  exhaustive list):   # Attunity: <http://www.attunity.com>   < EasySoft: <http://www.easysoft.com/products/2002/main.phtml>  I OpenRDA: <http://www.atinet.com/Products/OpenRDA/ODBC_UNIX/ODBC_Unix.asp>   C I think most or all of these require the installation of a special  D service on the Windows side, which depending on who you go with will run C you 800-2000 USD for one license last time I checked.  If you're a  : do-it-yourselfer you could also look into porting FreeTDS B (www.freetds.org), which would have the advantage of not requiring$ anything special on the server side.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:40:51 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> K Subject: Re: Accessing a Microsoft SQL Server database from a ALPHA VMS box ' Message-ID: <3D480503.5B02268B@aaa.com>   8 And if there isn't any need for a direct SQL-connection,6 something like "BEA MessageQ" or "IBM MQ Series" could4 also be used. But then you have to write a few small programs on each side.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 07:52:20 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: attn Hoff:  who updates the porting library? 3 Message-ID: <ZWc4WmA4oAM5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G    The source for the following patch doesn't seem to have made it into E    the downloadable source for the porting library.  When I put in my G    updates to the porting library, I get back the mozilla download bug.   E    I downloaded the source 8-JUL-2002, about a week after getting the 	    patch.   +    Can someone get the patch source posted?   = In article <8JS1MROKocq5@rabbit>, sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm   (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: > 
 >Hi Marty, > $ >Use this link (wraparound warning): > 9 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/ ! >cswb_relnotes.html#downloaderror  > I >which documents the problem and a solution.  The solution worked for me.  > 4 >In article <D5H7pdFrDN99@eisner.encompasserve.org>,. >kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:C >> I'm getting some odd behavior with Mozilla 1.0 (CSWB V1.0) when  B >> clicking on some links.  For example, if I click on a link likeB >> http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_4.zip the 3 >> program opens a pop-up box with the following...  >>  = >> You have chosen to download a file of type: "#1" [#2] from  >>     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:16:07 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>9 Subject: Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction ) Message-ID: <3D478EB7.A845F8AB@127.0.0.1>    John Santos wrote: > @ > This situation has occurred about 3 times in the last 6 months? > on one customer system, most recently at 1:00 this afternoon.  > C > They have 4 EZ832 solid-state disks, arranged as two shadow sets. ? > Each shadow set consists of one drive on each of 2 KZPCM SCSI 
 > interfaces.  > = > DSA84: consists of DKH100: and DKI100:, and DSA85: consists  > of DKH400: and DKI400:.  > 6 > CPU is a 4-processor ES40 (unsure of clock speed...) > B > They are getting "SCSI bus phase errors" (according to DECevent)B > and processes are simultaneously getting RMS-F-WER write errors.G > Also at the same time, the disk is logging a "Power On, Reset, or Bus ? > Device Reset Occurred."  (I don't know what a "SCSI bus phase  > error" actually means.)   C SCSI bus phase error means that the SCSI control signalling did not D happen in the correct sequence or order. e.g. getting a RESET signalF instead of a write completion status would count as a bus phase error.C The word phase is used as in, phase 1, phase 2, phase 3... of an IO 
 operation.   B > All the errors seem to be on PKI0: and DKI100: (no errors logged? > on the PKH/DKH path.)  I don't know if this is just chance or C > if it is pointing specifically to DKI100: or its shelf.  (DKI100: % > and DKI400: are on the same shelf.)  > F > The problem is two-fold.  1st, there is clearly something wrong with= > the hardware.  My guess is it is a cable or connector issues? > (maybe just a loose cable or terminator?), or flakey power int> > the shelf (but why doesn't DKI400: have any problems?)  I'veB > told them to call in field service and have them look at things.A > (I also told them to do this in May, the last time it happened,t3 > but I don't know if the did, or what they found.)k > ; > The 2nd problem is why doesn't volume shadowing hide thisr@ > error from the user apps?  Shouldn't it either declare DKI100:A > dead, and drop it from the shadow set, or retry (which seems toe0 > succeed, since the drive is running fine now)? > @ > This situation has occurred twice since the system was booted,E > 163 days ago.  The PKI0: controller now shows 6 errors, and DKI100: < > shows 4 errors.  It is possible there have been other SCSI@ > "events" when the system was idle, that didn't cause processes > to abort.3 > : > VMS V7.2-1, possibly relevant ECO's are FIBRE_SCSI V5.0,9 > SHADOWING V6.0, UPDATE V3.0, DRIVER V4.0, MOUNT96 V3.0,a8 > and SYS V11.0.  There are later versions of several of8 > these ECO's, but none of the descriptions seem to show< > they would help.  (BTW, both FIBRE_SCSI V5.0 and SYS V11.0: > caused problems that were fixed in subsequent ECO's, but8 > Compaq provided workarounds at the time that have been; > installed.  FIBRE_SCSI left a file in the wrong directoryL6 > and we needed new versions of the SECURITY images to@ > prevent crashes when mounting NFS disks... Fixed in SYS V12.0)  F Really the customer should be on 7.2-2 with all current 1 and 2 ratingG ECOs. I know how difficult this can be to achieve, but you need to work ( on them to convince them of the upgrade.  ; Also, is the firmware revision of the controllers the same?u  E You can do basic fault finding like cable swapping or even controllerSC swapping to see what happen to the observed faults. Again however IcG appreciate this may not be easy, but you do need to be seen to at leaste presenting a plan of action.  G If you have a spare slot and suspect power, then install a second powerc unit in the shelf.  H The RMS-F-WER, HELP/MESSAGE tells you to take action based on the statusG value in the RAB so it is up to the application to deal with this errorRH detail / display the detailed fault. It may not be related to the errors you are seeing.   A I think SET WATCH allows you to see the status values, but you're H probably better talking to the application folks to get the status value out into the real world.   -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:06:20 -0400e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>r9 Subject: Re: Bad shadowing and SCSI bus error interaction)6 Message-ID: <ai8udd$12h3l3$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message>/ news:1020730175437.6055A-100000@Ives.egh.com...R >...6 > CPU is a 4-processor ES40 (unsure of clock speed...) >iB > They are getting "SCSI bus phase errors" (according to DECevent)B > and processes are simultaneously getting RMS-F-WER write errors.G > Also at the same time, the disk is logging a "Power On, Reset, or Buso? > Device Reset Occurred."  (I don't know what a "SCSI bus phase- > error" actually means.)J >...  H I don't know what to say about the rest of your post, other than gettingL Field Service in and not letting them leave until you're happy, but I wantedH to point out that DECEvent is not supported on the ES40. Send your errorD logs to HP and ask them to use Compaq Analyze to look at the errors.   P.S.K If HP tells you that you need to install Compaq Analyze on your VMS systemsMJ then yell, scream, kick and pull hair until they agree that no sane personG would ever want put that thing on a VMS system. It is the worse product ( produced by DEC/COMPAQ/HP since DSN 2.2.   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:15:16 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>& Subject: Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?) Message-ID: <3D478074.33BFBF55@127.0.0.1>a   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:B > 7 > Um, isn't it both cheaper and easier to burn standarde= > "PC-CD's" then the native VMS format ? Is there any problemw> > at all with using a PC-CD on a VMS system today (with proper; > mounting) ? Or to use a PC as a CD-FTP-gateway ? (The VMSr? > binary-CD is, of course, another story, they have to be boot-g$ > able on the target system, not ?). > > > I'm just guessing that it would be easier to get new LP-CD's% > if they could be burned the PC-way.0 > < > Or can you make a copy of the original LP distro with some? > popular CD-copy SW such as Nero ? Or do you need some speciala* > HW for the non-PC format of these CD's ?  E There are two issues here. Firstly is copying an existing LP or othern? VMS CD, as mentioned technically feasible (no brainer in fact).   G Second, is creating a compilation of the favourite layered products and.: if these should be in VMS format or PC format, and zipped.  F While VMS zipping of savesets works very well, the problem comes aboutB when a hobbyist does not have the physical space to decompress forH installation. It would almost be a waste of effort (in my opinion) if weH created a wonderful very full CD of compressed savesets legally, only to9 find that some of our 3100 RZ24 users could not use them.t  D Would they be in a minority, do they exist? (send me a note or reply here).  F However, if we got a listing of the most popular used kits, we can seeH if they fit native VMS on a single or perhaps two CDs. Even to the pointG of filling a bootable OS installation disk with a few layered products.   ) Some hobbyists with an opinion out there?r   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesc nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:20:02 GMTw From: Jordi Guillaumes Ponsl& Subject: Re: Copyright on hobbyist cd?, Message-ID: <3D47D100.5080906@nospam.please>   Nic Clews wrote:H > However, if we got a listing of the most popular used kits, we can seeJ > if they fit native VMS on a single or perhaps two CDs. Even to the pointI > of filling a bootable OS installation disk with a few layered products.h > + > Some hobbyists with an opinion out there?o   Here is one :)  G There is no screen (forms) manager in the current Hobbyst kit. I think 3E you should consider to add at least the FMS kit... DECForms would be u wonderful too ;)  F There are other fancy/useful things, like Datatrieve (or TDMS), but I 5 don't know what's the legal status of those products.s   Nice work, anyway :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:52:05 +0100a( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>' Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Due ) Message-ID: <3D479725.770CB1B9@127.0.0.1>n   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:e > G > Mary Ellen Fortier delivered a couple of pretty decent talks at DECUS  > Australia last week.   Please define 'decent'.s  C My definition would be telling the massed convinced collective thata/ widespread advertising was going to take place.e   -- i? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencest nclews at csc dot comg   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:15:20 -0700 (PDT)S. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: DOE x HP Certificate @ Message-ID: <20020731171520.34918.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  + HP should send to the customers an officialf* document like a Certificate saying that it. is commited to OpenVMS for 20 years. Should be+ like a PAK form, etc .... like an official t document. Why not  ? o   Regardsb   FC I   =====I ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazili fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:03:27 -0400t- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>rY Subject: Re: Fortran compiler was(RE: Dev tool docs on www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/?) wwws0 Message-ID: <3D47FC3F.2AD22189@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   John Reagan wrote:@ > CXML is very much still with us at HP.  You use it on OpenVMS?  L Yes, and if it were available, we'd be using MPICH extensively as well.  TheP last I checked, the Compaq-optimized version (MPI) was only available for Tru64.    - JB    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 08:30:43 -0700+ From: david.m.gray@bigfoot.com (David Gray)n, Subject: Help - Problem with keys in editor.= Message-ID: <4da983bf.0207310730.4de90e11@posting.google.com>    Greetings all.    A Have a small problem with a Digital PW (OpenVMS 7.3 / hobbyist) Ie; bought recently. I have worked on VMS for quite a while buto  B have never set up a server or a workstation before. When trying to8 view the online documentation or help I'm encountering a  = few problems that are basically stopping me helping myself.  w   #1 EDIT/TPU D Basically the middle block of function keys (Print screen through to6 arrow right) on my PCXLA-KE keyboard do not work.  I'm  D unable to scroll around a document using page up/down or the up/down4 arrow keys.  No key is mapped to the Do' key, so I'm  ! unable to map my own function.   r  5 Page up/down give the following sequence of errors.       too few arguments<    parameter 1sdatatype  integer illegal , expected key word/    FAO  parameter 0 must be string or integer  :  @ There seems to be no problem with the navigation keys at the DCL prompt.S  @ Tried also using EDIT/EDT but the editor window fails to display< correctly, the cursor is invisible and typing any key has no  	 effect.  c   #2 Type or type/page eB Basically the first screen is displayed ok but after pressing hold screenB the second and subsequent screens redraw themselves, line by line,0 from the top followed by a device timeout error.   #3 Help D Again the first screen is ok but second an subsequent screens redraw0 themselves (as above) making the text illegible.  A #4 On startup I also get a message saying that DECW$Startup failsnE because no graphic device is found.  This is not a major issue at the 3 moment but I thought it might be a related problem.e     The setup is...   
 DPW 433au  OpenVMS 7.3 * VGA Monitor connected to the monitor port ' SRM value for show console is GRAPHICS t2 Terminal is identified as OPA0 as I would expect.   # Here is the output from $SHOW TERM    > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: SYSTEM  -B    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24  . Terminal Characteristics:cB Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape? No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          No TabmD Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No Eightbit@ Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupB No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No HangupB No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedD No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No FallbackC No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthruSC No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printerl PortF Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_modeD No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No DEC_CRT2F No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color VMS Style Inputm     Hope this is enough info.  a   Thanks in advance. a   David.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:35:52 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>u0 Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in editor.' Message-ID: <3D4803D8.C7E6A445@aaa.com>s  7 Since "Device_Type: Unknown", the editors don't know of < any functions keys. Try SET TERM/INQ or "SET TERM/DEV=VT300.  6 Note, the system (and the editors) must know what your terminal can and can't do.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:08:11 -0500 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>f0 Subject: RE: Help - Problem with keys in editor.T Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C6EE@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  F I'm not sure if the Graphics console can do VT emulation.  You could = eitherI connect a VT to the serial console port, or start DECwindows and create =i aa terminal session from there.   EdE **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**i     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Jan-Erik S=F6derholm [mailto:aaa@aaa.com]o) > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:36 AMa > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma2 > Subject: Re: Help - Problem with keys in editor. >=20 >=209 > Since "Device_Type: Unknown", the editors don't know of-@ > any functions keys. Try SET TERM/INQ or "SET TERM/DEV=3DVT300. >=208 > Note, the system (and the editors) must know what your > terminal can and can't do. >=20 > Jan-Erik S=F6derholm.C >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:44:35 +0100r& From: David Gray <GrayD@turpinltd.com>) Subject: Help - Problem with keys in TPU. ; Message-ID: <79DE14DAA1A8D3119B6E00805FEB980BAE4042@ZAKARY>t   Greetings all.    H Have a small problem with a Digital PW (OpenVMS 7.3 / hobbyist) I bought5 recently. I have worked on VMS for quite a while but o  K have never set up a server or a workstation before. When trying to view ther0 online documentation or help I'm encountering a   = few problems that are basically stopping me helping myself.  o   #1 EDIT/TPU J Basically the middle block of function keys (Print screen through to arrow1 right) on my PCXLA-KE keyboard do not work.  I'm r  J unable to scroll around a document using page up/down or the up/down arrow/ keys.  No key is mapped to the Do' key, so I'm -  " unable to map my own functions.     5 Page up/down give the following sequence of errors.  ?    too few arguments<    parameter 1sdatatype  integer illegal , expected key word/    FAO  parameter 0 must be string or integer  C  J There seems to be no problem with the navigation keys at the DCL prompt.    K Tried also using EDIT/EDT but the editor window fails to display correctly,o2 the cursor is invisible and typing any key has no   	 effect.  v   #2 Type or type/page iJ Basically the first screen is displayed ok but after pressing hold screen K the second and subsequent screens redraw themselves, line by line, from the ) top followed by a device timeout error.  :   #3 HelpaD Again the first screen is ok but second an subsequent screens redraw1 themselves (as above) making the text illegible.    L #4 On startup I also get a message saying that DECW$Startup fails because noG graphic device is found.  This is not a major issue at the moment but I ( thought it might be a related problem.       The setup is...   
 DPW 433au  OpenVMS 7.3 * VGA Monitor connected to the monitor port ' SRM value for show console is GRAPHICS a2 Terminal is identified as OPA0 as I would expect.   # Here is the output from $SHOW TERM a  > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: SYSTEM  oB    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24  n Terminal Characteristics:lB Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape? No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          No TabnD Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No Eightbit@ Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupB No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No HangupB No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedD No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No FallbackC No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No Pasthru H No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer PortF Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_modeD No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No DEC_CRT2F No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color VMS Style Input      Hope this is enough info.  d   Thanks in advance. l  " David. (david.m.gray@bigfoot.com)           ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:41:21 +0100t& From: David Gray <GrayD@turpinltd.com>) Subject: Help - Problem with keys in TPU. ; Message-ID: <79DE14DAA1A8D3119B6E00805FEB980BAE4040@ZAKARY>:   Greetings all.    H Have a small problem with a Digital PW (OpenVMS 7.3 / hobbyist) I bought5 recently. I have worked on VMS for quite a while but e  K have never set up a server or a workstation before. When trying to view the 0 online documentation or help I'm encountering a   = few problems that are basically stopping me helping myself.  t   #1 EDIT/TPU J Basically the middle block of function keys (Print screen through to arrow1 right) on my PCXLA-KE keyboard do not work.  I'm E  J unable to scroll around a document using page up/down or the up/down arrow/ keys.  No key is mapped to the Do' key, so I'm s  " unable to map my own functions.     5 Page up/down give the following sequence of errors.  p    too few arguments<    parameter 1sdatatype  integer illegal , expected key word/    FAO  parameter 0 must be string or integer  l  J There seems to be no problem with the navigation keys at the DCL prompt.    K Tried also using EDIT/EDT but the editor window fails to display correctly, 2 the cursor is invisible and typing any key has no   	 effect.      #2 Type or type/page dJ Basically the first screen is displayed ok but after pressing hold screen K the second and subsequent screens redraw themselves, line by line, from the ) top followed by a device timeout error.  k   #3 HelppD Again the first screen is ok but second an subsequent screens redraw1 themselves (as above) making the text illegible. e  L #4 On startup I also get a message saying that DECW$Startup fails because noG graphic device is found.  This is not a major issue at the moment but I ( thought it might be a related problem.       The setup is...   
 DPW 433au  OpenVMS 7.3 * VGA Monitor connected to the monitor port ' SRM value for show console is GRAPHICS /2 Terminal is identified as OPA0 as I would expect.   # Here is the output from $SHOW TERM n  > Terminal: _OPA0:      Device_Type: Unknown       Owner: SYSTEM  yB    Input:    9600     LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None0    Output:   9600     CRfill:  0      Page:   24  k Terminal Characteristics:pB Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape? No Hostsync        TTsync             Lowercase          No TabeD Wrap               Scope              No Remote          No Eightbit@ Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            FulldupB No Modem           No Local_echo      No Autobaud        No HangupB No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       Set_speedD No Commsync        Line Editing       Overstrike editing No FallbackC No Dialup          No Secure server   No Disconnect      No PasthrusH No Syspassword     No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer PortF Numeric Keypad     ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_modeD No Advanced_video  No Edit_mode       No DEC_CRT         No DEC_CRT2F No DEC_CRT3        No DEC_CRT4        No DEC_CRT5        No Ansi_Color VMS Style Inputd     Hope this is enough info.  '   Thanks in advance.     David. t          ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 00:06:25 -0700/ From: pkassapi@yahoo.gr (Panayiotis Kassapidis)r: Subject: How to read DECnet-Plus counters from crash dump?< Message-ID: <67f4aa65.0207302306.83f1c77@posting.google.com>   Hello!  @ I need to find the values of the CSMA-CD station counters on ourF system at the time of its (forced) crash. I am referring to the values the command-  0 NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATION CSMACD-0 ALL COUNTERS   E would return on a live system. Assuming they are there somewhere, howoD can I dig them out? This is on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 with DECnet-Plus V7.2-1 with ECO02 installed.   Many thanks in advance, 
 Panayiotis   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:28:07 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>> Subject: Re: How to read DECnet-Plus counters from crash dump?) Message-ID: <3D479187.4BDFB20D@127.0.0.1>v   Panayiotis Kassapidis wrote:  B > I need to find the values of the CSMA-CD station counters on ourH > system at the time of its (forced) crash. I am referring to the values
 > the commanda > 1 > NCL> SHOW CSMA-CD STATION CSMACD-0 ALL COUNTERSg > G > would return on a live system. Assuming they are there somewhere, howwF > can I dig them out? This is on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 with DECnet-Plus > V7.2-1 with ECO02 installed.   SDA> SHOW LAN/COUNTERc  H Hit return a few times till you come to the DECNET protocol. Most of theF information is there, not all. Someone else may be able to explain howH to examine the DECNet data structures in more detail in SDA, probably inF identifying the UCB for the network device, reading in relevant symbolE offsets, then formatting the data structures. Some of the display maypG need further conversion from the native display format. If you get thataG far, verify your finding by comparing results from a running system and  the NCL display.   HTH. -- e? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesy nclews at csc dot coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:30:07 +0100s* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>> Subject: Re: How to read DECnet-Plus counters from crash dump?, Message-ID: <ai875m$1qus@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  < "Panayiotis Kassapidis" <pkassapi@yahoo.gr> wrote in message6 news:67f4aa65.0207302306.83f1c77@posting.google.com...  B > I need to find the values of the CSMA-CD station counters on our+ > system at the time of its (forced) crash.a   SHOW LAN/COUNTERS in SDA.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:04:12 -0500e, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>$ Subject: Re: Jnet Programming Manual+ Message-ID: <ai95gh$7f4$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>0  ' <sword7@speakeasy.org> wrote in messageo) news:uk6irdc2dq7vf8@corp.supernews.com...l > Hello folks: >nH > Does anyone have a copy of Jnet programming manual?  I have a software? > (finger) for OpenVMS but it mentions some function calls likea > Jan_Hook_Init, etc.  >eG Once upon a time, people made their status (on vacation until Thursday,cH etc.) available to others by leaving that information as plain text in aL file with a particular name in the root of their home directory.  The finger& program would get those files for you.  I Jnet was a VAX implementation of an IBM protocol that was used to build arI world wide network of mostly research and educational institutions called G BITnet long before the days of ubiquitous TCP/IP.  That old protocol is>H mostly forgotten if not gone altogether, and BITnet went out of businessA years ago when all of its nodes became able to join the Internet.r  J If your program makes some DECnet or TCP/IP calls and some Jnet calls, youI can rip out the parts that use Jnet and leave it to use DECnet or TCP/IP.v$ If it only uses Jnet, it is useless.  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541N scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 03:01:52 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)! Subject: Re: Locked Tape$c devicey3 Message-ID: <CCiVMwcNfQLY@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  ^ In article <3D469F8F.138C9F2C@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes: > Group, > 5 > My batch job terminated with the following message:e> > %SYSTEM-F-FORCEDEXIT, forced exit of image or process by job > controller > H > It shows the job still running with the tape in the slot and wonder ifD > there is a way to reset the tape$c drive. I have tried to dismount > tape$c and it tells me:o > > > %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user > A > I checked the system and there is a process running that I havee	 > stopped/ > 9 > Copy    _TNA6:        00000149  TNA6:    (disconnected)e > 4 > but it remains disconnected and is not going away. >  > Any thoughts?  >   K Something I don't understand. If a batch job had the tape device allocated,?2 then why is the process above a terminal session ?  7 Have you tried CONNECTing to the disconnected process ?u   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       + Microsoft: The Lada of the computing world.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:52:52 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ! Subject: Re: Locked Tape$c devicea8 Message-ID: <e8gfkukckq2rh48r9kg4mt095a9d5d7ktd@4ax.com>  D On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:37:36 GMT, rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote:     >g >Chuck, D >I've seen the problem before and have used the following to free up >the device.D >Used Availability Manager / AMDS to kill the process. Not sure what+ >this did differently but the process dies.e= >The Tape Drive remains allocated to the now deleted process. E >There's an image available from HP that can remove this, the detailsy! >from the image header are below. ) >        Image Identification Informationr > F >                image name: "CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT"= >                image file identification: "CSC/CS MTDMT V2"o8 >                link date/time: 27-OCT-1993 07:06:28.58/ >                linker identification: "05-13"o  C That image will dismount on a VAX running 5.5-2 (possibly later andp/ earlier)> Never found an updated one for Alpha.e   >d+ >  This now clears the owner process field.e6 >This may not help this time, but might in the future, >Rob.t >e >> >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>> b >>> In article <3D469F8F.138C9F2C@ceris.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes: >>> > Group, >>> >t9 >>> > My batch job terminated with the following message:iB >>> > %SYSTEM-F-FORCEDEXIT, forced exit of image or process by job >>> > controller >>> >sL >>> > It shows the job still running with the tape in the slot and wonder ifH >>> > there is a way to reset the tape$c drive. I have tried to dismount >>> > tape$c and it tells me:t >>> > B >>> > %SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user >>> >aE >>> > I checked the system and there is a process running that I have 
 >>> > stoppedt >>> >g= >>> > Copy    _TNA6:        00000149  TNA6:    (disconnected)  >>> >  >>> H >>>    It's probably OK by now.  Lot's of times the process can't finishK >>>    running down until the I/O completes or aborts.  In the case of someeK >>>    tape controllers the timeout is justifiably long, but eventually thenJ >>>    I/O will either complete or timeout.  Then the process can run down' >>>    and the tape drive becomes free.R >>> F >>>    Often a prvileged user can convince the system to abort the I/OE >>>    via dismount/abort.  Since that didn't work for you either younF >>>    don't have sufficient privilege, or the tape is in a state that& >>>    can't be aborted by the driver.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:34:11 GMTN1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>B! Subject: Re: Locked Tape$c deviceo7 Message-ID: <7PQ19.2289$M5.220042@nasal.pacific.net.au>n  & Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:F > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:37:36 GMT, rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz wrote:    * >>        Image Identification Information >>G >>                image name: "CSCPAT_0245_USE_WITH_CAUTION_MTDISMOUNT" > >>                image file identification: "CSC/CS MTDMT V2"9 >>                link date/time: 27-OCT-1993 07:06:28.58 0 >>                linker identification: "05-13"  E > That image will dismount on a VAX running 5.5-2 (possibly later and 1 > earlier)> Never found an updated one for Alpha.   ; 	There is. I just used it in a very similar case a few days?/ 	earlier. Compaq support supplied an exe calledh> 	MTDISMOUNT.EXE, with some warning that it should be used very> 	carefully as it might crash the system. In my case it worked, 	cleared the owner field, etc.  A 	The exe is different for each version of VMS, said the engineer,w> 	so keep this in mind. It was supplied after we logged a call,/ 	of course. ( We have Alphas, with VMS V7.2-1 )u   > Alan 						Cheers,   Csabau  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogeE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------,;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 01:58:03 -0700- From: bobmarlow@postmaster.co.uk (Bob Marlow)-3 Subject: Re: Need 80' Fortran/VAX training material = Message-ID: <c5d3d5e1.0207310058.2abd9425@posting.google.com>S  \ Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote in message news:<3D37DFDF.3D1A1D73@Free.fr>...O > I urgently need a copy of this two documents: Programming VAX/VMS in Fortran,SQ > student guide and teacher guide. The last edition was in two thick red binders.r > 7 > I _swear_ that I will send them back im-me-dia-te-ly.C >  > MANY thanks, >  > D.  E I have 2 spare VAX Fortran manuals from June 1988: The Programmrs andrD User guides for VMS and Fortran V5.0. These were almost the first of the > grey binders: The red ones were just before, so you're talkingC only up to mid 1980's ?  I think we have now thrown out the last oft theoD red ones. Email me if you would like the 2 manuals I have described.     Bobu  E P.S. I notice you asking later about mailboxes, here's a sample I didm in Fortran:-  B 1993 - 1995 vintage. Because of prices and our peculiar accounting1 system, disk space was critical, but CPU wasn't!!i  6 Prog1 (pushing) used to leave a 300M file on disk for 6 Prog2 (pull) to collect. But now, with no room for the8 300M on disk, we had to change to a mailbox system, with both progs running in tandem.        Pushing program:-   ? 	LOGICAL SYS$CREMBX,LIB$GET_SYMBOL,LIB$DELETE_SYMBOL,	! RM 4/93        &		SYS$TRNLNM					! RM 4/93  E IF (.NOT.SYS$CREMBX(,MBX_CHAN,,,,,'MAIL_BOX')) STOP 'Mainext: Mailboxc
 creation `9 OPEN(1,FILE='MAIL_BOX',TYPE='NEW',CARRIAGECONTROL='LIST')    .. Write(1,..) in usual way.a ..  $ Write suitable ERR/EOF flag  (EE/EF) CLOSE(1)  4 That's simple enough! Tricky bits are in the puller.9 First confusing thing here was the mailbox area, which is < not the default, so when debugging in DCL,it doesn't appear.  C Then, suppose you are reading, but there is nothing in the mailbox?e= I think what happens is the program just waits till there is.o> Therefore, you have to create your own end/err flags, shown as EE/EF below.     Pulling program:-n  ? 	LOGICAL SYS$CREMBX,LIB$GET_SYMBOL,LIB$DELETE_SYMBOL,	! RM 4/93        &		SYS$TRNLNM					! RM 4/93    E 	   IF (.NOT.SYS$TRNLNM(,'LNM$TEMPORARY_MAILBOX','MAIL_BOX',,,)) THENh( *	      Wait 2 minutes,then try again ..D 	      TYPE *,'IPC\SECTIONS: Cannot find MAILBOX symbol - waiting..' 	      CALL LIB$WAIT(120.0) C 	      IF (.NOT.SYS$TRNLNM(,'LNM$TEMPORARY_MAILBOX','MAIL_BOX',,,)) C      &	      STOP 'IPC\SECTIONS: Still Can''t find MAILBOX symbol -e Has Mainext blobbed out?'E	 	   ENDIFm2 	   IF (.NOT.SYS$CREMBX(,MBX_CHAN,,,,,'MAIL_BOX'))%      &	   STOP 'Mailbox open failure'l= 	   OPEN(1,FILE='MAIL_BOX',TYPE='OLD',CARRIAGECONTROL='LIST')R   c  c Reads till ERR/EOF:-  , 	READ(1,311,ERR=10310,END=9000)CHAR,ISSCOL,I 311	FORMAT(A1,I2,I1) Ce. C	RM.4/93.Also trap Mailbox(Mainext) EOF/ERR:- C  	IF (CHAR.EQ.'EE'X) GO TO 9000 	IF (CHAR.EQ.'EF'X) GO TO 10310  C      cR
 c finish:- cN	 	CLOSE(1)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:37:37 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> . Subject: Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS!0 Message-ID: <ai8sni$cig$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   4 > sorry Andrew, no other os can cluster like VMS ... >  > ! > HP takes aim at Sun clustering f > * > Claims Sun fails to deliver technologies > - > By Mike Magee: Tuesday 30 July 2002, 17:08 e > E > A DOCUMENT SEEN the INQUIRER shows that HP is taking aim at Sun andDC > accusing it of not delivering on promises it made about clusters.ME > The document, called a "competitive briefing", is aimed at partnerslE > and obviously is intended to show HP in a good light and put Sun in- > the shade. > B > The document claims HP has competitive intelligence that Sun hadB > promised its customers they would have a 32-64 CPU shared memory > cluster machine. > G > This, said HP, would be based on a high speed interconnect giving theiE > look and feel of a single Solaris copy across multiple nodes, usingS# > multiple 12 way Sun Fire servers.r > D > HP claims Sun had told its customers they would have such machinesB > installed by now, but has been unable to deliver. Instead it hasB > substituted Sun Fire 1500s to satisfy the contracts, HP alleges. > G > And HP also claims that Sun said it was talking about a shared memoryy) > cluster which it also couldn't deliver.n > H > The document asks partners to find out as much about what it dubs as aE > "Sun fiasco" as possible. Obviously, for competitive purposes only.n >   ? I don't comment on Sun futures, I have learnt from the mistakes ? others have made commenting on Alpha/Intanium futures that thisp
 is unwise.  @ However HP would be pretty silly if they did mount this campaign? since their own clustering "solution" SCA suffered from exactly  what they claim ours does.  & This is from the V2500 press releases.  E "Configuration Flexibility -- SCA configurations can scale up to 128  B PA-8500 CPUs, 128-GB of memory and 112 2X PCI slots. Whatever the D configuration, a single copy of standard HP-UX 11 allows you to run ? unmodified any of the more than 15,000 applications available."e  = So what ever happened to the 128 CPU single image HP-UX boxess< that this press release talks about where you can run 15,000 apps unmodified.  ; The only system I have seen of this scale supports 64 CPU'st< and to get it to scale only LSF is allowed, hardly an advert for unmodified scalability.u  9 The SuperDome cluster is now used for message passing etc 9 and not apparently for single OS images, so what happenedo4 to the apparently limitless opportunities offered by8 SCA. Could it be that the realities of NUMA defeated the' phantasies of the marketing department.   < Incedentally what happened to the 64 and 128 way WildFires ?  * Surely they should have been out ages ago.  : Do you really want to start a pissing competition on which? vendor has broken the most promises and the relative importance  of the promises made ?  : As a FUD attempt its badly directed since its a wonderfull9 case of people yet again throwing stones in glass houses.   6 And as you know only to well HP with the aquisition of7 Compaq have aquired a back catalogue of broken promises 6 and major ones at that that is almost unmatched in the	 industry.m   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 11:57:41 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: No Andrew, slowaris can't be VMS!3 Message-ID: <e3vhfvvPjK+l@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <ai8sni$cig$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes:  B > However HP would be pretty silly if they did mount this campaignA > since their own clustering "solution" SCA suffered from exactlyn > what they claim ours does.  C    Nope.  HP's own clustering solution is now VMSclusters.  Why the-?    heck else would they want to buy the cluster they called thei3    standard everyone else is trying to catch up to?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:36:56 +01008U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>n4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)0 Message-ID: <ai8p5p$bd7$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:S  * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > A >>Why clearly, it isn't clear at all. They had the same CPU speedhE >>what else differed between them that makes it clear that a 6000-610l> >>would be have much more capacity than a VAXstation Model 90. >> >  > Have you seen them ? > C > I could more or less just get half my arm into a MV3100/90, whilecD > the 6000 box (the "refrigerator" typ of box) easily could take oneE > or perhaps two of the smaller type of users if you took out all thee > stuff inside...e >     / All you have described so far is the packaging.   ; Anyone judging the VAX 9000 series from its packaging would > have to conclude that it was the highest capacity machine made= by Digital at the time. When in fact this was very doubtfull.s  ; A Sun F15000 is smaller physically than a GS320 but all theV> comparable measures delivers 2-3 times the throughput, perhaps; your response goes some way to explain why people still buyh% AlphaServers, they value the bulk. :)t      ? > Seariously, it's the same reason the Grayhound Bus takes moreiB > passagers then some popular sportscar even if they have the same6 > amount of h.p. It's the storage space and the I/O... >     ; Hmm but then Jlsue hasn't mentioned if the workloads he wash9 configuring the cluster to support required high capacityp storage or high I/O throughput.,  ? If his tasks were CPU bound and according to him the Vaxstation   : and 6000-610 had similar capacity CPU's then he would have7 expected to get a similar throughput out of both boxes.o   Regards- Andrew Harrison-     >  >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm.: >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:47:19 +0100eU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> 4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)0 Message-ID: <ai8pp8$bjp$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:  	 > Andrew,t > F > <<< Quite and the first useful response you have provided because itI > differs markedly from your collegue Kerry who appears not to share your- > views.>>>e > / > Ahh Andrew .. Up to your old tricks again eh?o >  > :-)r > J > Take what one person says and then twist it around to use as fud against > someone else.0 >     ? No that is in fact what you said and you have read Jlsues postsp as well.  ? If you cant agree between you and its obvious from his emphasism< on HA rather than scalability that you don't then thats your* problem and pointing it out is hardly FUD.    F > Clustering vs SMP scalability and availability discussions can go on > forever. y > G > Bottom line is that it depends on the application(s) and both SMP and D > Clustering have scalability issues and considerations one needs to > consider.a > F > You can cite examples where SMP is better for performance reasons (IF > might even agree) and I can cite area's where clustering is better.  >     @ Come on then where are they, published benchmarks not marketing.  < It would hardly prove the point even then would it since you? seem to have forgotten what the origional discussion was about.a   Do you remember ?e  @ It was that GS320 perf being so low ment that you had to cluster; for sclability to match any of the systems that your rather @ over optimistic marketing would have people think are equivalent boxes.        E > Give it up - this is not something you are going to make any grounda > with.     > Regretably for you I already have, or havn't you spotted this.     Regardsl   Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:39:56 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>s4 Subject: RE: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)T Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026608B3@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew, Andrew -  H >>> It was that GS320 perf being so low ment that you had to cluster forG sclability to match any of the systems that your rather over optimistici: marketing would have people think are equivalent boxes.<<<  H What else would a direct competitor state? Especially if that competitorA wanted to dispel the generally accepted notions that Sun has goodcC marketing and ISV mind share in the past, but not the fastest HW ../  C As I stated, this is a never ending discussion that I would love to H continue, but real work calls .... Fwiw - about to start a large VAX (10H node mission critical cluster that includes 6 7620's) to Alpha migration project.   :-)y   Regardsc  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy-7 [mailto:andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com]=200 Sent: July 31, 2002 9:47 AM@ To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComL4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)         Main, Kerry wrote:  	 > Andrew,l >=20I > <<< Quite and the first useful response you have provided because it=20eG > differs markedly from your collegue Kerry who appears not to share=20. > your views.>>> >=20/ > Ahh Andrew .. Up to your old tricks again eh?t >=20 > :-)r >=20E > Take what one person says and then twist it around to use as fud=20l > against someone else.a >=20    H No that is in fact what you said and you have read Jlsues posts as well.  E If you cant agree between you and its obvious from his emphasis on HA B rather than scalability that you don't then thats your problem and pointing it out is hardly FUD.    I > Clustering vs SMP scalability and availability discussions can go on=208
 > forever. >=20J > Bottom line is that it depends on the application(s) and both SMP and=20G > Clustering have scalability issues and considerations one needs to=20p > consider.  >=20I > You can cite examples where SMP is better for performance reasons (I=20hE > might even agree) and I can cite area's where clustering is better.t >=20    @ Come on then where are they, published benchmarks not marketing.  D It would hardly prove the point even then would it since you seem to7 have forgotten what the origional discussion was about.d   Do you remember ?c  D It was that GS320 perf being so low ment that you had to cluster forG sclability to match any of the systems that your rather over optimistic 7 marketing would have people think are equivalent boxes.a        H > Give it up - this is not something you are going to make any ground=20 > with.r    > Regretably for you I already have, or havn't you spotted this.     Regards    Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:01:21 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>r4 Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow)0 Message-ID: <ai9552$f9g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:   > Andrew, Andrew - >  > H >>>>It was that GS320 perf being so low ment that you had to cluster for >>>>I > sclability to match any of the systems that your rather over optimisticn< > marketing would have people think are equivalent boxes.<<< > J > What else would a direct competitor state? Especially if that competitorC > wanted to dispel the generally accepted notions that Sun has goodeE > marketing and ISV mind share in the past, but not the fastest HW ..0 >     ; Kerry, Kerry. It isn't my statement its the only conclusion = you can actually reach from the benchmark results you HP have2 published for the boxes.    < Since you have abjectly failed to provide any other examples8 that contradict these results it is rather pointless for7 you to keep moaning on about marketing and competition.   5 I can understand the shock it must be to you and yourT5 customers to belatedly discover that contrary to yourS6 deep held beliefs AlphaServers languish at the back of4 the pack performance wise not at the front where you though them to be.  < In many ways the belatedness of this discovery is proof that8 there has in fact been some Alpha marketing, how else do8 you convince a whole load of people that something which5 is demonstrably untrue and has been for some time, inD7 this case the myth of AlphaServer performance supremacyy
 is the truth.     E > As I stated, this is a never ending discussion that I would love to J > continue, but real work calls .... Fwiw - about to start a large VAX (10J > node mission critical cluster that includes 6 7620's) to Alpha migration
 > project. >     8 Well its only a never ending discussion because you keep9 failing to provide any data points to support your claims-3 when challenged to do so and then after a couple ofi4 weeks there you are again making the same old claims all over again.s  * If it wasn't rather sad it would be funny.   Regards- Andrew Harrison-     > :-)- > 	 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant. > Hewlett-Packard Canada# > Consulting & Integration Servicese > Voice: 613-592-4660- > Fax   : 613-591-4477 > Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com >  >  > -----Original Message-----) > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy77 > [mailto:andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com] i > Sent: July 31, 2002 9:47 AMm > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com36 > Subject: Re: Only 20% drop in VMS systems (was: wow) >  >  >  >  > Main, Kerry wrote: >  > 	 >>Andrew,n >>G >><<< Quite and the first useful response you have provided because it eE >>differs markedly from your collegue Kerry who appears not to share   >>your views.>>> >>/ >>Ahh Andrew .. Up to your old tricks again eh?m >> >>:-)s >>C >>Take what one person says and then twist it around to use as fud   >>against someone else.s >> >> >  > J > No that is in fact what you said and you have read Jlsues posts as well. > G > If you cant agree between you and its obvious from his emphasis on HAvD > rather than scalability that you don't then thats your problem and  > pointing it out is hardly FUD. >  >  > G >>Clustering vs SMP scalability and availability discussions can go on  
 >>forever. >>H >>Bottom line is that it depends on the application(s) and both SMP and E >>Clustering have scalability issues and considerations one needs to M >>consider.h >>G >>You can cite examples where SMP is better for performance reasons (I  E >>might even agree) and I can cite area's where clustering is better.B >> >> >  > B > Come on then where are they, published benchmarks not marketing. > F > It would hardly prove the point even then would it since you seem to9 > have forgotten what the origional discussion was about.u >  > Do you remember ?t > F > It was that GS320 perf being so low ment that you had to cluster forI > sclability to match any of the systems that your rather over optimistic 9 > marketing would have people think are equivalent boxes.a >  >  >  >  > F >>Give it up - this is not something you are going to make any ground  >>with.h >> >  > @ > Regretably for you I already have, or havn't you spotted this. >  > 	 > Regards  >  > Andrew Harrisonu >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:48:09 -0700 (PDT) . From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>A Subject: OpenVMS.org, Terry Shannon knows XYZ and Evereybody herea@ Message-ID: <20020731124809.42306.qmail@web20204.mail.yahoo.com>  / Reading the OpenVMS.org today I saw the face of$. Terry Shannon ... so he is not a divine entity" as everybody used to suppose ! :-)  . But I would like to know if we (from the list), would use OpenVMS.org as a "personal site", + for example, to have my personal profile atA the site...O   www.openvms.org/fabiocardoso   or   www.openvms.org/daviddachtera'   or O   www.openvms.org/arneval$##@   ( I think it would be the better place for- us of the OVMS community to put our profiles.2* If Kenneth is able to make a standard form for us to fill, etc ...  .     RegardsT   FC       =====Q ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?( Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.comi   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 02:44:39 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 3 Subject: Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMSi3 Message-ID: <dh1LtexIftXj@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  a In article <3D46CF44.DF8B0F8@interbaun.com>, David Richardson <DRichardson@interbaun.com> writes: 4 > Is any PCMCIA network card supported in OpenVMS?    L As I recall there is support for at least one special card in the PowerBook.  J > I have a hobbyist Alphastation 200 4/233 (7.2-2 currently) with a PCMCIAG > slots in the back and would like to add a second network card.  I was A > hoping that something like the D-Link 660+ series would work.  s   My you are a hopeful sort :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:50:28 +0100i; From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcher@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>d3 Subject: Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMS @ Message-ID: <gFM19.36804$z22.24202@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  G The Tadpole AlphaBook One (alas no longer with us) had a bundled PCMCIAuI network card which was a 3Com 3C589B (according to the system descriptionPH flyer). If you could get one of these you might find that it would work,L assuming that OpenVMS manages to find the PCMCIA controller and network cardH in your AS 200 4/233 during the autoconfigure phase of system boot. Good
 luck with it.e   -- Hope this helps. Colin # (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)     ? "David Richardson" <DRichardson@interbaun.com> wrote in messageu& news:3D46CF44.DF8B0F8@interbaun.com...2 > Is any PCMCIA network card supported in OpenVMS? > J > I have a hobbyist Alphastation 200 4/233 (7.2-2 currently) with a PCMCIAG > slots in the back and would like to add a second network card.  I wasi? > hoping that something like the D-Link 660+ series would work.0 >P. > Does any card work, without being supported? >  > --H > Microsoft:  The "Would you like fries with that" of the IT profession. >i > David Richardson > DRichardson@interbaun.coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:08:24 +0100h; From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcher@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>p3 Subject: Re: PCMCIA network card support in OpenVMS @ Message-ID: <TON19.36931$z22.27821@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  G The Tadpole AlphaBook One (alas no longer with us) had a bundled PCMCIA I network card which was a 3Com 3C589B (according to the system descriptioneH flyer). If you could get one of these you might find that it would work,L assuming that OpenVMS manages to find the PCMCIA controller and network cardH in your AS 200 4/233 during the autoconfigure phase of system boot. Good
 luck with it.    -- Hope this helps. Colint# (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)t    ? "David Richardson" <DRichardson@interbaun.com> wrote in messagee& news:3D46CF44.DF8B0F8@interbaun.com...2 > Is any PCMCIA network card supported in OpenVMS? >iJ > I have a hobbyist Alphastation 200 4/233 (7.2-2 currently) with a PCMCIAG > slots in the back and would like to add a second network card.  I wasv? > hoping that something like the D-Link 660+ series would work.  >t. > Does any card work, without being supported? >- > --H > Microsoft:  The "Would you like fries with that" of the IT profession. >p > David Richardson > DRichardson@interbaun.comw   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:53:02 GMTo. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)A Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 (long)r4 Message-ID: <iPL19.61278$cU1.1279805@news.chello.at>  r In article <fcdcb36b.0207262230.70ca5e53@posting.google.com>, dugald_peacock@yahoo.com.au (Dugald Peacock) writes:E >Thanks for the responses.  I went off and installed the VMS73_UPDATEoG >V1.0 and VMS73_GRAPHICS V1.0 patches from the referred web site onto a F >clean OVMS 7.3 installation. I rebooted after each patch installationF >and changing the GBLSECTIONS in modparams to be 1500 and ran autogen. > E >I am still getting the same error messages when I reboot. (about CSRt >and texture maps).c >RF >Is my problem the fact that my Alpha is a EV56, not a EV6 and is thus4 >not compatible as suggested in the previous answer?  H Probably, but I don't really know (I also don't understand Fred's hint). I've other hints.t  5 >If not I have attached the output of prod show hist,t? >SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG and clue config ini# >anal/system, show dev /full gba0:.   L I miss the %DECW-I-ATTACHED, transport TCPIP attached to its network message8 so you forgot to enable TCPIP as a DECwindows Transport.   1) Enable PWIP in TCPIPoG 2) Add TCPIP to transports in SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COMe  : eg.	$       decw$server_transports == "DECNET,LOCAL,TCPIP"  F >One strange thing is at console level I cannot see the Powerstorm 300 >series cards. >c' >Any suggestions would be most welcome.h  L Don't forget to install all the other ECOs (at least the ones with rating 1)+ as well, before you go into 'production'...u   VMS73_ACRTL-V0200e VMS73_AMACRO-V0100 VMS73_APB-V0100u VMS73_BACKUP-V0100 VMS73_CLIUTL-V0200 VMS73_CLUSTER-V0200o VMS73_DCL-V0200l VMS73_DDTM-V0100 VMS73_DELETE-V0100 VMS73_DRIVER-V0200 VMS73_DW_MOT_MUP-V0100 VMS73_F11X-V0100 VMS73_FIBRE_SCSI-V0300 VMS73_GRAPHICS-V0100 VMS73_INIT-V0100 VMS73_LIBRTL-V0200 VMS73_LMF-V0100h VMS73_MANAGE-V0200 VMS73_MONTOR-V0100 VMS73_PPPD-V0100 VMS73_PTHREAD-V0200t VMS73_REM-V0100a VMS73_RMS-V0400h VMS73_RTPAD-V0100t VMS73_SHADOWING-V0200p VMS73_SYS-V0400  VMS73_SYSINI-V0100 VMS73_UPDATE-V0100 VMS73_XFC-V0100d   ALP_DWEURO-V0101-1 DNVOSIECO01-V07030 TCPIP_ECO-V0501-154    -- h Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialistb E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:34:44 GMTs5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> A Subject: Re: Powerstorm 300 and Alpha PC 164 with OVMS 7.3 (long)a2 Message-ID: <UcV19.20$fU3.624798@news.cpqcorp.net>  @ OK.  No hint.  The P300/350 is not supported on non-EV6 systems.    & Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote in message ...> >In article <fcdcb36b.0207262230.70ca5e53@posting.google.com>,4 dugald_peacock@yahoo.com.au (Dugald Peacock) writes:F >>Thanks for the responses.  I went off and installed the VMS73_UPDATEH >>V1.0 and VMS73_GRAPHICS V1.0 patches from the referred web site onto aG >>clean OVMS 7.3 installation. I rebooted after each patch installationgG >>and changing the GBLSECTIONS in modparams to be 1500 and ran autogen.l >>F >>I am still getting the same error messages when I reboot. (about CSR >>and texture maps). >>G >>Is my problem the fact that my Alpha is a EV56, not a EV6 and is thus 5 >>not compatible as suggested in the previous answer?) >dI >Probably, but I don't really know (I also don't understand Fred's hint).  >I've other hints. > 6 >>If not I have attached the output of prod show hist,@ >>SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG and clue config in$ >>anal/system, show dev /full gba0:. > E >I miss the %DECW-I-ATTACHED, transport TCPIP attached to its networkr message 9 >so you forgot to enable TCPIP as a DECwindows Transport.t >w >1) Enable PWIP in TCPIPH >2) Add TCPIP to transports in SYS$STARTUP:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM >e; >eg. $       decw$server_transports == "DECNET,LOCAL,TCPIP"e >sG >>One strange thing is at console level I cannot see the Powerstorm 300  >>series cards.o >>( >>Any suggestions would be most welcome. >gJ >Don't forget to install all the other ECOs (at least the ones with rating 1), >as well, before you go into 'production'... >  >VMS73_ACRTL-V0200 >VMS73_AMACRO-V0100- >VMS73_APB-V0100 >VMS73_BACKUP-V01009 >VMS73_CLIUTL-V0200i >VMS73_CLUSTER-V0200 >VMS73_DCL-V0200 >VMS73_DDTM-V0100i >VMS73_DELETE-V0100o >VMS73_DRIVER-V0200C >VMS73_DW_MOT_MUP-V0100F >VMS73_F11X-V0100a >VMS73_FIBRE_SCSI-V0300n >VMS73_GRAPHICS-V0100t >VMS73_INIT-V0100f >VMS73_LIBRTL-V0200a >VMS73_LMF-V0100 >VMS73_MANAGE-V0200  >VMS73_MONTOR-V0100e >VMS73_PPPD-V0100  >VMS73_PTHREAD-V0200 >VMS73_REM-V0100 >VMS73_RMS-V0400 >VMS73_RTPAD-V0100 >VMS73_SHADOWING-V0200 >VMS73_SYS-V0400 >VMS73_SYSINI-V0100  >VMS73_UPDATE-V0100  >VMS73_XFC-V0100 >a >ALP_DWEURO-V0101-1S >DNVOSIECO01-V0703 >TCPIP_ECO-V0501-154 >  >--a >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER& >Network and OpenVMS system specialist >E-mail  peter@langstoeger.attJ >A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:46:44 -0400.- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>u Subject: Re: RDB Question..a6 Message-ID: <ai8t8l$12fgls$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>  : "Shiva MahaDeva" <contracer11@uol.com.br> wrote in message7 news:ddf392ea.0207301439.29f218d1@posting.google.com...a, > In my job, many times I issue the command: >  $ RMU/SH STATUS dbrf0303 >    and I press D, T, A keys to see locked processc >R7 > My question: Can I put this in a procedure ? Example:  > ...r  G No, but you can use the /SCREEN= qualifier to probably do what you wanteJ (assuming I guessed what you want correctly).  If I misunderstood what youF want then my next guess is that you want the /OUTPUT=, /NOINTERACTIVE, /ALARM and /INPUT qualifiers.   9 "HELP RMU70 Show Statistics Format" should tell you more.r   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:11:31 -0400   From: Kuff@Tessco.Com (Hal Kuff)$ Subject: Re: reseller info requestedO Message-ID: <0D9407164ED3F52D.429DF5312B6C400B.CBCE6F0D9DEFE74C@lp.airnews.net>   = In article <d7791aa1.0207301827.39a11099@posting.google.com>,M) bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:u  ; > "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> wrote in messageo5 news:<VUE19.449$Ru5.266@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>... I > > Has anyone had any recent experiences with purchases from CPU OptionsiA > > (a reseller/broker out of MN.) that they would care to share?a > >  > > Thanks,  > > Tomd > A > we have bought alphas from them in the past ... good company too > deal with ...g    J    We have dealt with Mike McNeff there for a number of years.... probablyG 250-300k over the past three years.... nice fellow... they deliver whate their comittments...  	 Hal Kuff m Kuff at Tessco dot Com   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jul 02 08:01:20 EDT From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu$ Subject: Re: reseller info requested/ Message-ID: <a5+W2OFp8$GA@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>u  G They've won nearly all our VMS business for several years. Good prices,- good service, very dependable.  j In article <VUE19.449$Ru5.266@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@attbi.com.fubar> writes:G > Has anyone had any recent experiences with purchases from CPU Options$? > (a reseller/broker out of MN.) that they would care to share?w > 	 > Thanks,> > Tomt >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 08:06:56 -0700" From: joepat@hotmail.com (joe pat)> Subject: String to perform a conversational boot on a vax 4700= Message-ID: <d8804c3a.0207310706.67d5b108@posting.google.com>e  E What is the boot string that will boot a 4700 in conversational mode?l Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:23:05 -0400 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>tB Subject: Re: String to perform a conversational boot on a vax 47002 Message-ID: <3D4800D9.A45B832C@clarityconnect.com>   B/R5:r0000001 ddcu:c  7 ie B/R5:1 DKA0 will boot into SYSBOOT> for SYS0 on DKA0h   joe pat wrote: > G > What is the boot string that will boot a 4700 in conversational mode?a > Thanks   --  C Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Waverly, NYo0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan+ 	- Mark.Jilson@hp.com				- since 1975 or so  	- http://www.jilly.baka.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:24:40 -0400e0 From: "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com>) Subject: Using IBM drives on alpha system ; Message-ID: <003301c2389e$0271b5f0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>d  L I came into possesion of a bunch of IBM SCSI drives (model DCHS04F )  and am trying to get themL to init on an alpha station.  The system sees the drive and when booting VMSK I can show dev/full and it shows me the drive info.  But when I try to initsK it - I all I get is "Medium is offline".  Has anyone else used these drives L or have any ideas what might have to be changed on them to make them work on this system ??   Thanks   Hank Vander Waal  / VMS - is there anything that DARES to compare??o! Unix  - for hackers - by hackers!  You get what you pay for !   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:12:18 GMTwF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)- Subject: Re: Using IBM drives on alpha systeml2 Message-ID: <m7T19.14$LP3.427094@news.cpqcorp.net>  ? Check the other messages in this news group for a recent thready on formatting SCSI disk drives.i  ? Many people have used IBM SCSI drives on other platforms (I useiA them at home on my Macintoses).  However, if they were originally,B intended for use on specific IBM equipment, they may be one of theA few SCSI drives that are not formatted with 512 bytes per sector.t- The other thread has formatting instructions.   D Also, refer to the FAQ and other resources about all of the 'normal'A problems one can run into with SCSI drives, jumper settings, etc.>   --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:56:27 +0100n; From: "Colin Butcher" <colinDOT.butcher@xdeltaDOT.coDOT.uk>U- Subject: Re: Using IBM drives on alpha system < Message-ID: <XMT19.711$oo4.209@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>  I I've used some of the IBM DHCS drives on various Alphas. They work OK foreJ me. Sounds like you've not got the drive spun up - try enabling spin-up onK power-up rather than having the drive wait for a SCSI 'start unit' command. F There's usually a jumper somewhere on the drive. A good starting point (works for me anyway) is:   J - Set SCSI ID jumpers (or better wire up an external switch / thumbwheel).K Avoid conflicts with other devices / systems, typically the adapter is 6 or ( 7, CDs tend to be 4, tapes tend to be 5.- - Enable termination power from drive to bus.eL - Disable termination on drive and use a separate terminator (active) on the cable or bulkhead.K - Use 8bit (narrow) to 16bit (wide) adapters with active termination of thetF high byte if necessary. You might have 8bit drives and 16bit adapter /J cable, or vice versa. These days most adapters and cables tend to be 16bitI (wide). Beware of differential v single-ended - they don't mix (hence theHA DWZZA devices). Most drives and adapters tend to be single-ended. F - Enable spin-up on power-up. If there are lots of drives then use theH spin-up delay to stagger the drives spin-up where generally the delay is1 some number of seconds multiplied by the SCSI ID.m  H I also like to wire up a write protect switch as well - you can never beF careful enough (which is why we all like OpenVMS so much - it works!).  L You can generally get drive documentation from the manufacturers web site (I> find that both IBM and Seagate are very good in this respect).   -- Hope this helps. Colinr# (colinDOTbutcherATxdeltaDOTcoDOTuk)r    ; "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote in messagen5 news:003301c2389e$0271b5f0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8...u >yK > I came into possesion of a bunch of IBM SCSI drives (model DCHS04F )  and  am > trying to get themJ > to init on an alpha station.  The system sees the drive and when booting VMSpH > I can show dev/full and it shows me the drive info.  But when I try to initF > it - I all I get is "Medium is offline".  Has anyone else used these drivesK > or have any ideas what might have to be changed on them to make them worki on > this system ?? >- > Thanks >a > Hank Vander Waal >91 > VMS - is there anything that DARES to compare??n# > Unix  - for hackers - by hackers!s > You get what you pay for ! >d >t   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jul 2002 14:46:52 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n- Subject: Re: Using IBM drives on alpha systemp0 Message-ID: <ai8t8s$opt$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  n In article <003301c2389e$0271b5f0$cd96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>, "Hank Vander Waal" <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes: >tM >I came into possesion of a bunch of IBM SCSI drives (model DCHS04F )  and am  >trying to get themoM >to init on an alpha station.  The system sees the drive and when booting VMS L >I can show dev/full and it shows me the drive info.  But when I try to initL >it - I all I get is "Medium is offline".  Has anyone else used these drivesM >or have any ideas what might have to be changed on them to make them work onw >this system ??e  * What are the jumper settings on the drive?   Regards,    Christoph GartmannI  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:34:36 +0100w( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?e) Message-ID: <3D4784FC.BC70D38D@127.0.0.1>k   Andrew Rycroft wrote:t > E > I am runing OpenVMS in an environment where the system can generate F > numerous small print and batch jobs. The batch job entry number runsH > from 1 to 999 and then starts again from 1. What happens when you haveD > more then 1000 concurrent batch and print jobs - for example can I > have two  entry no. 1s ?  G There is a consideration if you are running a very high number of print:G jobs to devices. In certain circumstances, you could end of with a very8F large number of files in a directory (awaiting printing) which has theF normal VMS knock on effects for 1000's of files in a single directory.G PRINT/DELETE jobs that do not complete, as well as retained entries can E lead to this situation. More specifically, it is when the size of the 0 directory itself is measured in 100's of blocks.   -- S? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesu nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2002 01:45:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?s- Message-ID: <8765yxrtxy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:A  F >    It looks like you're getting into the works-but-unsupported area.? >    I can't imagine lots of customers calling HP and demanding F >    support for more than 100,000 entries, but the first customer who3 >    does may also be one of the largest customers.p  A Well, we have seen posts from people with many thousands of print-C queues, so you only need a modest number of jobs per queue to get a  huge total.a   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.c@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:44:34 +0010t% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auMQ Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?S5 Message-ID: <01KKR8RW2IXE000T28@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>I   Paul Repacholi wrote:e  0 >koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >eG >>    It looks like you're getting into the works-but-unsupported area.a@ >>    I can't imagine lots of customers calling HP and demandingG >>    support for more than 100,000 entries, but the first customer who.4 >>    does may also be one of the largest customers. >tB >Well, we have seen posts from people with many thousands of printD >queues, so you only need a modest number of jobs per queue to get a >huge total.  M Well ( :-) ), even so, I find it hard to believe that at any given time that IM given a thousand queues there will be a thousand jobs, not necessarily 1 per p queue, but in aggregate.  N Not arguing with how the queue entry numbers work, just believing that Paul's M view of "queue theory" is not, statistically, real life.  No matter how many  M queues they do have, I'm sure that people who try for the mile-high-club are  J actually contriving the number of entries.  Batch jobs would be better to  test on, they use fewer trees.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:58:14 +0010V% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au0Q Subject: Re: What happens when you have more than 1000 current print/batch jobs ?15 Message-ID: <01KKR990LR2A000T2S@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>P   I wrote:  K >actually contriving the number of entries.  Batch jobs would be better to 7 >test on, they use fewer trees.   K Hmm, as long as one remembers to use the /NOPRINT :-)  Since /PRINT is the M default.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.419 ************************