1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 02 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 303       Contents:$ ANN:  Perl 5.8.0 Release Candidate 13 Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't be finished  Re: Console graphics reset% Re: F$PARSE equivalent in a program ? % Re: F$PARSE equivalent in a program ?  info about photoplotter & Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading& Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading& Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  OpenVMS VAX V6.2 on Galaxy! 
 OVMS Web Ring 7 Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then? B Re: Shadowset on standalone system goes into merge state on rebootB Re: Shadowset on standalone system goes into merge state on reboot Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2 Re: VMS to UNIX/LINUX 1 Re: Who does the CLUEXIT? (was Re: Strange crash)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:08:57 -0500 C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> - Subject: ANN:  Perl 5.8.0 Release Candidate 1 H Message-ID: <craig.berry-CB6C66.16085701062002@news.directvinternet.com>  % =head1 Perl 5.8.0 Release Candidate 1   H The Perl 5 developer team is pleased to announce the Release Candidate 1 of Perl 5.8.0.   Please test extensively.  A Your help in testing the upcoming perl 5.8.0 is much appreciated.   E This is a source code release, not a binary release.  You will need a  C development environment.   <VMS_Quick_Start_Guide>   F     Most of the details in the rest of the release announcement below > apply as much to VMS as to any other platform.  However, it's D probably best to start with the README.vms document included in the D distribution.  Please report both successes and failures to vmsperl A at perl dot org.  Recent development snapshots have been looking  B very good on OpenVMS Alpha v7.1 and later; please test on VAX and " older OS versions as you are able.  G    Feel free to write to vmsperl at perl dot org  if you have read the  F instructions but still run into trouble getting the configuration and A build to work.  When writing for any reason, please include full  " details of your build environment.  1   The prerequisites for building Perl on VMS are:          DEC/Compaq C 5.2 or later        MMS or MMK       gunzip       vmstar  3    All but the compiler and MMS are available from  F http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware50/ and other freeware  sites.  E   I now return you to the general release announcement [Craig Berry].     </VMS_Quick_Start_Guide>    E Please note that Perl 5.8.0 is a major new release of Perl containing C many new features, enhancements to existing features and bug fixes. E This version is "Release Candidate 1"; the purpose of this version is ? to permit and encourage the Perl community to conduct extensive E testing and to report problems so that we, and the owners of affected 3 Perl packages, have an opportunity to correct them.   F Because the process of testing the vast quantity of Perl software willE take time, and because issues uncovered by this testing may result in B further changes or corrections to Perl 5.8.0 and the various Perl 	 packages, > WE DO NOT RECOMMEND USING RELEASE CANDIDATE 1 IN A PRODUCTION  ENVIRONMENT.  C Please wait for the final version of Perl 5.8.0 for production use. D As always, you should conduct an appropriate level of testing before5 using any new product in your production environment.   C As specified in the licenses for Perl (see the files named Artistic B or Copying), THIS PACKAGE IS PROVIDED WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.  > New Release Candidates will come out about weekly until we are? satisfied with the results, at which point the final 5.8.0 will  be released.   =head1 Where To Get It  ! The 5.8.0 RC1 is now available at   5 http://mirrors.kernel.org/cpan/src/perl-5.8.0-RC1.tgz 1 http://cpan.valueclick.com/src/perl-5.8.0-RC1.tgz 1 ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/CPAN/src/perl-5.8.0-RC1.tgz 2 ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/CPAN/src/perl-5.8.0-RC1.tgz  = and as the CPAN mirrors catch up, in the src/ subdirectory of " your nearest friendly CPAN mirror.  I The size of the file is 10913451 bytes and the MD5 checksum for the file   is  <         f595a07df28eb9e40d4d27281a9b37a9  perl-5.8.0-RC1.tgz   F This release should work in all UNIX/Linux and Microsoft environments,C and in other environments which have POSIX/UNIX interfaces, such as = BeOS, Cygwin, MPE/iX, NetWare, OS/2, QNX, VMS, VOS, and z/OS, . and the appropriate C compilation environment.  B A MacOS Classic port requires a little bit more work but it should6 become available soon-- follow http://dev.macperl.org/   =head1 Why To Get It  E For the list of changes in 5.8.0 see the pod/perldelta.pod, available  separately online at  0 http://mirrors.kernel.org/cpan/doc/perldelta.pod+ http://cpan.valuelick.com/doc/perldelta.pod , ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/CPAN/doc/perldelta.pod- ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/CPAN/doc/perldelta.pod   E (and again, eventually at all CPAN mirrors-- note, though, that these D URLs are not permanent, they will be removed when the final 5.8.0 is	 released)   C The .tgz file will unpack into a directory called "perl-5.8.0-RC1".    =head1 How To Do It   D You will configure, build, and test Perl.  Below is a short summary,+ for the full story read the "INSTALL" file.    =head2 Configuring  D If you are in a UNIX-like system, you can setup Perl for compilation? by changing into the "perl-5.8.0-RC1" directory and issuing the  following command:      sh Configure -des  C This will simply select all the defaults for your system, INCLUDING D defaulting to install in the usual location for production software.: (So don't run make install if you run Configure this way!)  B If you are not in a UNIX-like system (say, Win32), please read theB "INSTALL" file and any possible platform specific README files forB further instructions, and skip the parts below that don't apply to your platform.  > If you want to go through Configure interactively (for example8 to change the default installation directories), do just      sh Configure    =head2 Building    To build Perl issue the command       make all   E Note that the build times can vary considerably.  Perl 5.8.0 is about D twice the size of 5.6.1, and some source code files are quite large,A so your compiler might have hard time processing them.  On a fast F modern system with lots of CPU and memory the build can be a matter ofC ten minutes, but on slower/older/more heavily loaded systems it can C take up to eight hours, while half an hour to an hour being common.    =head2 Testing  : After the build has finished, it's time to test the build.      make test  E Again, testing times vary a lot.  Perl 5.8.0 has more than five times B the tests of Perl 5.6.1.  Fifteen minutes to half an hour is quiteB normal, but a slow system may easily take an hour or more.  If allA tests are successful, "make test" will say "All tests successful"  (unsurprisingly).   C If all tests are not successful, you may get a more detailed report D by changing to the t/ subdirectory and running the "harness" script, something like this       cd t     ./perl harness   < You may need to set up your dynamic library path before thatF (the final message of "make test" should tell all the needed details).  G The more detailed report will be very useful when your report problems. G Knowing your exact configuration is essential, too: usually running the E "myconfig" script from the build directory produces this information.   = Note that some systems or configurations have known problems, 2 see perldelta for details, no need to report them.  B In case you still see errors, please document them via the perlbugH system, as detailed in the "INSTALL" file, section "Reporting Problems".  F Finally note that if you happen to have a "less common" platform, likeC some of the rarer UNIXes, or something even more exotic, we will be A glad to hear even of successes, not just about possible problems.    =head2 Installing   C Once you are happy with the test results of Perl itself (or you are D just feeling extraordinarily brave), you may consider installing it.  B The Perl development team has tried to guarantee that popular PerlA applications like CGI, LWP, mod_perl and DBI/DBD work with 5.8.0. A Note "work", not necessarily "work without warnings": for example A DBD::Oracle works, but during compilation and testing you may see B various warnings.  Also in some cases not all the functionality of# the modules may be available (yet).   
 However...  D THIS IS A REAL NEW PERL RELEASE THAT IS BINARY INCOMPATIBLE WITH ANYF PREVIOUS PERL RELEASE.  THIS MEANS THAT YOUR OLD EXTENSIONS (.xs code,F those Perl modules requiring a C compiler) WILL NOT WORK AND WILL HAVE? TO BE RECOMPILED.  (Pure Perl modules should continue working.)   F INSTALLING THIS PERL RELEASE WILL OVERWRITE YOUR CURRENT PERL RELEASE.4 (For example, /usr/bin/perl will become Perl 5.8.0.)  B DO NOT INSTALL THIS INTO PRODUCTION USE UNLESS YOU REALLY MEAN IT.  H If you still feel like installing this, you can do so by "make install".  B If you want to install this, but want to install it into some less> dangerous place (and not overwrite your current installation), do the following  
    make clean ?    sh Configure -des -Dprefix=/test/perl580 -Uinstallusrbinperl     make all     make test  > and then the "make install".  The -Dprefix will place the Perl? installation at the said directory (the Perl executable will be ? /test/perl580/bin/perl), and the -Uinstallusrbinperl will avoid C overwriting /usr/bin/perl with a copy of the Perl 5.8.0 executable.   $ =head1 Testing The Perl Installation  @ You should test both your own code, and other code that you use.   =head2 Testing Your Own Code  E Test your own code with perl 5.8.0, but in case of surprises read the C perldelta.pod carefully before judging something as a bug.  In some ( cases the behaviour of Perl has changed.   =head2 Testing Perl Modules   D You should try reinstalling your favourite CPAN modules to guarantee/ that they will continue working under Perl 5.8.   E Note that if you find some module either failing its tests or you see E the tests emitting warning messages, please first and foremost report E these problems to the author of the module.  Advise him/her about the G impending 5.8.0 release and where to get the RC1 (you might for example D point the author to this very message).  Since there are hundreds ofC modules available, the Perl 5 developer team is not qualified to be G experts on all of them; it is much faster if the module author resolves 
 any problems.   A In some cases you may also consider contacting some mailing lists @ to ask for help (and to spread awareness of the upcoming 5.8.0),@ for example if your operating system or the modules have mailing lists of their own.    =head2  
 That's it.  
 =head1 AUTHOR    Jarkko Hietaniemi & on behalf of the Perl 5 developer team   =cut   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 19:12:01 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> < Subject: Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't be finished> Message-ID: <509K8.79558$ux5.100094@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>  G "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 5 message news:LkDXLyTDBFtx@eisner.encompasserve.org... I > In article <WEPJ8.68365$ux5.82091@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>, "Terry C. ) Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  > > G > > The GG VMS codswallop of December last is about to cost HPQ dearly.  That'sJ > > all I can say, but it's a sordid and downright sickening story of what; > > happens when you don't stand up to misinformed bullies.  > >  > J > Although you obviously have some information that you cannot talk about,K > do you have a timescale in which this story will come to a conclusion and + > will you be able to speak about it then ?  >   K Plenty of folks should be able to talk about the VMS to IPF port by the end 
 of this year.   J As to when will the OS story come to a conclusion, who knows. Over time itH wouldn't surprise me to see more and more VMS attributes (not to mentionE Tru64 and NSK) get subsumed into the UDC/Server Utility strategy. VMS L already has contributed to Tru64 UNIX (clustering, DLM, et al), no reason itI can't contribute to the computing environment we're likely to see within,  say, the next five years.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:17:18 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: Console graphics reset ' Message-ID: <3CF92F55.4C2311A0@fsi.net>    Mike Rechtman wrote: > G > IIRC, to swich a DECwindows console between graphics and non-graphics  >  > Mike >  > Didier Morandi wrote:  >  > > What is CTRL F2 ?  > >  > > D. > >  > > Mike Rechtman wrote: > > ' > >>Could you be referring to CTRL-F2 ?  > >>Mike > >> > >>N > >>>How do you get the console back into graphics mode after it has switch toK > >>>character cell and is no longer functional? There used to be a control 4 > >>>sequence if I remember right....senior moments.$ > >>>any help would be appreciated.. > >>>   E You're thinking of switching between DECwindows and the OpenVMS ALpha @ Console. It only works once VMS is up and DECwindows is running.  ? Not sure if that's what Didier wants, but I wanted to make that  distinction.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 21:48:41 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> . Subject: Re: F$PARSE equivalent in a program ?& Message-ID: <3CF92519.CF35BAF@aaa.com>  > Well, if you look in the "DCL dictionay part 1" under F$PARSE,% you'll find the following "pointer" :   A "The F$PARSE function parses file specifications by using the RMS  service H $PARSE. For more information on the $PARSE service, refer to the OpenVMS- Record Management Services Reference Manual."   ! So it was *that* hard to find :-)    Jan-Erik Sderholm.    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  > > B > > Se the $PARSE system service in the "OpenVMS Record Management  > > Services Reference Manual on > O > Thanks. I had forgotten to look into HELP RMS to see those services (I always  > forget that part of help).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 00:32:39 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> . Subject: Re: F$PARSE equivalent in a program ?< Message-ID: <howard-FC8FCD.00323902062002@enews.newsguy.com>  H In article <3CF92519.CF35BAF@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik Sderholm <aaa@aaa.com>  wrote:  @ > Well, if you look in the "DCL dictionay part 1" under F$PARSE,' > you'll find the following "pointer" :  > C > "The F$PARSE function parses file specifications by using the RMS 	 > service J > $PARSE. For more information on the $PARSE service, refer to the OpenVMS/ > Record Management Services Reference Manual."   , A possibly easier way is to use $FILESCAN().   --  # "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  I hope you have good backups! ) Are there any more networked SJFs around?    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2002 11:06:37 -0700 . From: christofor@mail.bg (Christofor Kovachev)  Subject: info about photoplotter= Message-ID: <66a9ecd3.0206011006.42da9c12@posting.google.com>   B I'm looking for information how to work with my laser photoplotterC model GSI-9620 connected to a VAX 3100 station. If any can help me?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 02:31:13 +0100  From: nic <junk@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading ) Message-ID: <3CF97561.DD4BC5D5@127.0.0.1>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Nic Clews wrote:R > > > 2- Any information on how/why Stallard put the "we want VMS users to migrate > > > to HP-UX" statement ?  > > K > > Out of context again. It was explained that Stallard came from the UNIX L > > camp, so he's bound to be a little biased, but I understand the error of- > > his ways has now been pointed out to him,  > L > I am more concerned about why the error of his ways was not pointed to himI > BEFORE his document was mad public, and why the question wasn't removed 9 > alltogether. Gorham doesn't sound too credible on this.n  F Agreed, however if you look at the document properties on the original% it is something like 10 PM edit time.   A Not sure anyone senior would be around to proof read it. This waseD finished by some secretary trying to hit deadlines late at night, my presumption. -- r Regards, Nic Clews (from home), nic at python dot demon dot co dot uk (play) nclews at csc dot com (work)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 02:37:17 +0100  From: nic <junk@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in ReadingT) Message-ID: <3CF976CD.D11ABEA6@127.0.0.1>y   Bill Todd wrote: > 7 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messageo% > news:3CF75C93.3ADABD9F@127.0.0.1...  >  > ...  > L > > I found him very frank. When I spoke to him about marketing he describedK > > the Compaq way, and the HP way and what he hoped for. He also said thataL > > widespread OpenVMS campaigns outside the  Computing media were unlikely, > > an area we'll disagree on. > K > Hey - the minute we see *widespread* VMS campaigns *within* the computing6M > media (CW at the head of the list) I'll start radically reassessing my view  > of HP's commitment.s   Agreed.   I > But I'm not exactly holding my breath in anticipation:  sounds like yet G > another hopeful statement with virtually no chance of coming to pass.hM > Remember the last real ad campaign we were promised (by Marcello, back whenm) > he occupied Gorham's current position)?   B Mark explained the Compaq marketing strategy thus: It was arrangedH geographically, and each area could market what they wanted, and he saidG it wasn't unusual to say 100% effort directed to the PC only. VMS woulduC not get a look-in. HP is organised differently (but precise details  weren't forthcoming).p  tL > As usual, cHumPaq appears to feel that a few words of encouragement to theM > already-committed will suffice to calm them down until the next shoe drops.tK > And as usual they're probably right (at least it sure looks that way fromr > the comments posted here).  ' We will both be watching with interest.i   -- a Regards, Nic Clews (from home), nic at python dot demon dot co dot uk (play) nclews at csc dot com (work)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 01:44:30 -0400 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>c/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Readingo, Message-ID: <3CF9B0BD.6B1856E0@videotron.ca>  
 nic wrote:H > Agreed, however if you look at the document properties on the original' > it is something like 10 PM edit time.   H Then Stallard should be fired on the spot if he publishes documents that7 outline HP policy without any approval or proofreading.f  M How long would an employee last if he sent out a press release announcing alloK chocolate bars were on a 50% off sale , and did this without first checkingo with his bosses ?   N The "we expect VMS customers to migrate to HP-UX" question was put there for a< purpose. It is signed by Stallard. He is responsible for it.  K HP, as a corporation needs to ensure that a rogue employee is no allowed toaB issue such statements. UNLESS THAT STATEMENT REPRESENTS HP POLICY.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 19:15:06 GMTN1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>  Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP/ Message-ID: <_29K8.143543$L76.227581@rwcrnsc53>n  > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message6 news:ivRJ8.134671$9F5.7791659@typhoon.austin.rr.com.... > Rob Young (young_r@encompasserve.org) wrote:
 > : Jason, > :KC > : I agree with much of what you say, but I do believe advertisingsE > : should be targetted.  It is for other similar high-end OSes, i.e.tC > : AS/400, mainframes and NSK and when was the last time you saw aeF > : Rolls-Royce, Lamborghini, etc. commercial on television?  They run- > : ads in targetted publications - I assume.c > :c/ > IBM runs TV commercials for their mainframes./ >NH > General Electric's TV commercials show their locomotive and jet engine > products.t >C0 > The Union Pacific Railroad runs TV commercials  B Enron ran TV commercials, too. ;-} That said, I doubt that the VMSD opportunity is sufficiently large to warrant television advertising.L Marketing collateral in carefully targeted print media--and a more proactiveD relationship with the trade and business press--would likely achieve> positive results with a far lower investment. My opinion only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:51:42 -0400 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>q Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP, Message-ID: <3CF925CC.6862702D@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:1D > Enron ran TV commercials, too. ;-} That said, I doubt that the VMSF > opportunity is sufficiently large to warrant television advertising.  G VMS and HP have a credibility problem. If HP intends to fix this partlytN self-inflicted wound, and partly the remnants of Palmer and Capellas, it needsN to take a very visible "open" step. And that means mainstream advertising, andI getting Carly to speak on the nightly business shows and mention VMS as as9 mainstream HP product that has a lot of growth potential.p  G You want customers to start to trust HP ? Carly need only say one thingtI publicly: "unlike previous owners, we intend to fully leverage the growth L potential and scalability of VMS which gives HP a sdignificant technological edge over other vendors."c  L This sentence would signify a change from previous policy, it would showcaseK VMS has being a better product, and especially send the signal that HP will   want to grow it (eg: market it).    K Right now, the message sent by HP is "the Compaq policy of managed negativel$ growth will be continued unchanged".   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:13:49 GMTL1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP' Message-ID: <3CF92E85.7F277E61@fsi.net>o   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:n > @ > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message8 > news:ivRJ8.134671$9F5.7791659@typhoon.austin.rr.com...0 > > Rob Young (young_r@encompasserve.org) wrote: > > : Jason, > > :lE > > : I agree with much of what you say, but I do believe advertisingbG > > : should be targetted.  It is for other similar high-end OSes, i.e.,E > > : AS/400, mainframes and NSK and when was the last time you saw aoH > > : Rolls-Royce, Lamborghini, etc. commercial on television?  They run/ > > : ads in targetted publications - I assume.s > > :i1 > > IBM runs TV commercials for their mainframes.t > >hJ > > General Electric's TV commercials show their locomotive and jet engine
 > > products.  > >.2 > > The Union Pacific Railroad runs TV commercials > D > Enron ran TV commercials, too. ;-} That said, I doubt that the VMSF > opportunity is sufficiently large to warrant television advertising.N > Marketing collateral in carefully targeted print media--and a more proactiveF > relationship with the trade and business press--would likely achieve@ > positive results with a far lower investment. My opinion only.  A I guess the problem I have with that is the people seeing VMS adscF currently are not the people who would even think to propose VMS in an enterprise solution.  G When a vendor is brought on site for high-level presentation, they talkoD WhineBloze, UN*X or whatever. The CTO (or other high-level executiveF type) asks, "I've been reading about VMS being stable and secure. DoesE your solution run on VMS?", where upon the vendor says, "VMS is dead, ? Alpha is dead - why build your company's enterprise information B infrastructure on hardware and software that have to future and noH visible upgrade path?". The suit responds, "...but Compaq and now HP are? making all these commitments in their ad campaigns. Do you knowoE something they aren't telling us?". The vendor responds, "Where's thehE concrete evidence? Where are the mainstream ad campaigns? Where's therC new VMS-capable hardware announcements or announcements of expandedaB hardware support within VMS? 'Industry Standard' servers are IA32.G Where's the IA32 support that Windows, UNIX and Linux have had for moreiH than ten years? You don't see them because they don't exist and truth inF advertising laws prevent them from promoting a product they don't have  and cannot or will not deliver."  H Before we could ever go public with a mainstream ad campaign, we'd firstG have to "get VMS's shit together", including a solution to the market'sh@ perceptions resulting from the Alphacide and lack of support forF "industry standard" hardware. (Acknowledged: "industry standard" tendsH to mean whatver the speaker wants it to mean in any given presentation.)  F Once that is solved, the job of getting VMS in front of the people who? might present it to the "decision makers" at least becomes less ( daunting, if not slightly more possible.   -- O David J. DachteraE dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 17:43:07 -0400i% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP, Message-ID: <3CF93FEA.1DE1B716@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > Once that is solved, the job of getting VMS in front of the people whoA > might present it to the "decision makers" at least becomes less"* > daunting, if not slightly more possible.  N It is a catch 22 downfall. The lack of visibility causes customers to go away,B causes ISVs to drop VMS. And the lack of applications and positive+ image/momentum makes it harder to push VMS.x  M What is needed is for the owner to taje leadership, take a leap and starts towC push VMS to break that cycle and start to give it forward momentum.   J Marcello's short lived renaissanced proved that it is possible to turn VMSM from negative growth to positive growth in the high single digits in a fairlya short amount of time.e  K It takes someone to say "lets do it". And that someone needs to be Carly soeI she can send the message to ALL HP employees that VMS is not only here to K stay, but also to grow. And it takes Carly to tell her troups to accept thehN fact that VMS will steal HP-UX sales and Windows sales but for HP it is a goodM thing because a VMS customer is less likley to defect to Dell or Sun if he ise well taken care of.t   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2002 19:33:14 -0700g( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206011833.21e24c17@posting.google.com>h  u "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<sA5K8.173787$t8_.117498@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...t: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:twh$8ayzC36U@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > >oE > > The point is - for niche or vertical products - it is a very rareaC > > thing for the marketing folks to wander outside a narrow mediumeD > > to impress upon the general population.  Direct marketing is allC > > the rage now and CRM is helping to narrow things.  Gone are theuH > > days when we all get our mailboxes stuffed with flyers.  CommercialsG > > that run during Friends are way different then commercials that runl > > on MTV, etc. > >u > K > That's why the ads MUST target CEO's in the publications THEY read - Wall 4 > Street Journal, Financial Times, Economist, etc... >  > ? > HP has to get the CEO's etc.. interested in VMS or it's dead.  > E > If Joe IT-guy tries to push VMS up through lower to middle to upperhN > management, it'll take a year of Sunday's to get it to the level it needs toK > get at to become visible, and that's assuming that Joe IT-guy isn't firedlG > for not being a 'team player' first. [ps. If Carly doesn't think this ) > happens, then she's smoking & inhaling]  > J > If the CEO says, "Rob, I want the IT department to fully investigate theM > benefits of using VMS in our organization.", resources get allocated to the N > task immediately and the CEO keeps hounding Rob for the recommendation until
 > he gets it.   B why are we always putting vms into the ceo, big business branding?A What about small/medium size business?  Thats were your bread andyD butter is.  Small business owners don't always call the shots.  TheyC hire guys like me to provide stability.  When you give them 99.9999iB uptime like I have, they don't question VMS and bcome belivers ...? and I can show them a lower TCO over any freebie os by the timevE they see the outages, bugs, patching work saved ... big companies are B important, but the smaller ones are even more so, as they can also& benefit from what VMS has to offer ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 03:32:17 GMTn1 From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (Jerry Leslie). Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP< Message-ID: <5lgK8.141423$9F5.8041678@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  0 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@attbi.com) wrote: : @ : "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message8 : news:ivRJ8.134671$9F5.7791659@typhoon.austin.rr.com...0 : > Rob Young (young_r@encompasserve.org) wrote: : > : Jason, : > :iE : > : I agree with much of what you say, but I do believe advertisinghG : > : should be targetted.  It is for other similar high-end OSes, i.e. E : > : AS/400, mainframes and NSK and when was the last time you saw atH : > : Rolls-Royce, Lamborghini, etc. commercial on television?  They run/ : > : ads in targetted publications - I assume.o : > ::1 : > IBM runs TV commercials for their mainframes.- : >-J : > General Electric's TV commercials show their locomotive and jet engine
 : > products.h : > 2 : > The Union Pacific Railroad runs TV commercials : D : Enron ran TV commercials, too. ;-} That said, I doubt that the VMSF : opportunity is sufficiently large to warrant television advertising.E : Marketing collateral in carefully targeted print media--and a more  I : proactive relationship with the trade and business press--would likely eH : achieve positive results with a far lower investment. My opinion only. : F H-P is suppose to compete with IBM, but it remains to be seen if there8 will be any advertising exposure of non-Windows systems.  I The old H-P and Compaq had a reluctance to such exposure. Will the merged A company also exhibit the same reluctance (or fear of Microsoft) ?e    H --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu  (my opinions are strictly my own)9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for emaila   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 22:41:13 -0500m3 From: Steve Sparrow <sdsparrow1n0spam@netscape.net>e$ Subject: OpenVMS VAX V6.2 on Galaxy!O Message-ID: <D2CCEA33E5CE16C9.04EC7F8D0BC4F7EE.22B6D1D88A3B48D8@lp.airnews.net>n  B   What's the chance that a multi-processor Galaxy on a SC,GS,ES,DSD Alpha could eventually support an instance running OpenVMS VAX V6.2?@ The instance would think it's a VAX 7800 or VAX 4000-705A with aB pre-boot programed Ethernet Address (for non-changable licensing).% Is it too late for that kind of talk?s  ?   With the multiple instance of OpenVMS Alpha concept on Galaxy ? and SRI's Charon-VAX hardware emulation, maybe that's possible.o  ?   I've tested Charon-VAX MicroVAX II emulator on a Windows 2000 = system and was impressed at the I/O speed and depressed aboutcA the CPU speed. (I used the hobbyist version at home so I couldn't1; try networking or clustering with my VAXstations. I haven'tt1 tried the Alpha version or the Pico-VAX version.)S  8   If I tried the Charon-VAX on an AlphaServer 8400 5/300> with 6 cpus, could the Charon-VAX use more than 1 cpu and keep@ running when I logout of the Alpha? The Alpha runs OpenVMS V7.2.- I assume that the cpus are too slow for this..  ?   Is the Galaxy idea being considered on the Itanium? I haven't > heard of any systems with a bunch of cpus unless the cpus were? all Alpha cpus (Cray). I've heard of the Compaq 8-way proliant c? (ia32) but have never seen more than 2 Intel processors in the   same container.   5   If Itanium doesn't work will everyone use a Hammer?f   I'm just hoping against hope..   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:40:08 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a Subject: OVMS Web Ring' Message-ID: <3CF934AF.CAC0BD65@fsi.net>r  E Just today, I finally updated the OpenVMS Web Ring code on my OpenVMStE page, http://www.djesys.com/vms/ . Actually, I "borrowed" code from ai5 "neighboring" site and adjusted it to fit my site id.r  C I noticed that many sites on the ring do not have the web ring codenG working, just as mine didn't until today (actually, I had the old code, F which broke when WebRing split off from Yahoo). Some sites are missing= even. So, the OpenVMS Web Ring is currently a bit fragmented.0  F If you have an OpenVMS web ring site, please go to the web ring hub atE http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?home;ring=openvms and find outT6 what you need to make the ring connections work again.   Thanx.   --   David J. DachteraA dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 07:53:06 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>t@ Subject: Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then?' Message-ID: <3CF9B2C2.B24A21ED@Free.fr>m  P I had a talk with a Customer doing intensive real time processing with VMS. They< drive the automatic metro of Toulouse (metro without pilot).  N They started 15 years ago with a MIRA. The MIRA, produced by DEC CSS in AnnecyC (France) was the first nearly-fault-tolerant VAX, with Master-Slaveh relationship, running VMS.  2 Then, they bought the second generation, a VAX FT.  P This application manages the cars of the subway, opens and close subway stationsM doors, car doors, lights, elevators and mechanical stairs, collects and sendshA signalisation, in two words, does intensive real time management.e  + What will be their next platform? they ask..   Your suggestion:   [ ] PDP/RSXr [ ] Tandem/NSK [ ] Itanium/VMSn [ ] Intel/windowsl [ ] Intel/Linux  [ ] G4/OS Xa [ ] CMOS/MVS XAo [ ] Palm/OSt2 [ ] Other, specify _______________________________   D. -- e2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:13:22 -0500, From: "Rich Jordan" <rjordan@mindspring.com>K Subject: Re: Shadowset on standalone system goes into merge state on rebootr2 Message-ID: <adb64d$r9r$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>  H mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote in message <7JLnzsL7uu11@cpva.saic.com>...> >In article <cc5619f2.0205311230.6dc294ca@posting.google.com>,* > jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:   .....rG >> The 'last' shadowset DSA2 is going into 'merge' state after a systemeF >> shutdown and reboot.  DSA0 and DSA1 do not act this way.  The mergeB >> took almost 40 hours to complete on a mostly idle system (afterD >> restarting from 0% when the machine had to be shut down to move). .....eF >> We're wondering if, since DSA2 is the last volume dismounted by theI >> system, either some other process is still trying to act on the volumeLH >> when it is dismounted, or if the dismount doesn't actually 'complete'F >> before the system goes away.  This is the only box I have access toA >> with shadowing, so unfortunately I can't do testing elsewhere._ >8I >There is likely a file open on this disk when the system shutdown occursCI >that is preventing the disk from being dismounted. Insure that all files.I >are closed (and perhaps explicitly dismount the disk rather than relyinggJ >upon VMS to do it for you). Any chance that you've got a pagefile on thisL >disk? If so the best you can do is use SYSGEN to DEINSTALL it and hope thatL >all reservations and usage of it disappear prior to the attempted dismount. >t >--m >- Jim   Jim,F      in fact DSA1 has a pagefile on it, not DSA2.  There are installedH images on DSA2, but no other 'open' files unless that happened to be theK case for other reasons during the last two shutdowns.  I'm going to look at B creating a deinstall/dismount procedure for both of the non-systemK shadowsets to see if that helps.  I'm also pretty sure I can get rid of thegD second pagefile on DSA1; there is no indication it is really needed.   Rich Jordant   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 02:15:11 GMTe+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>tK Subject: Re: Shadowset on standalone system goes into merge state on reboot < Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0206011912240.5492-100000@jaipur>  G Looks like the installed image is the problem.  Make sure to de-install8J the image and dismount the shadowset during the system shutdown procedure.G I believe the command is INSTALL REMOVE.  If you have open files on thelB volume, VMS won't be able to dismount the volume properly.   For aI shadowset, this will cause a merge operation on reboot.  Installed imagesn are open files.a  & On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Rich Jordan wrote:J > mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com wrote in message <7JLnzsL7uu11@cpva.saic.com>...@ > >In article <cc5619f2.0205311230.6dc294ca@posting.google.com>,, > > jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan) writes:I > >> The 'last' shadowset DSA2 is going into 'merge' state after a systemeH > >> shutdown and reboot.  DSA0 and DSA1 do not act this way.  The mergeD > >> took almost 40 hours to complete on a mostly idle system (afterF > >> restarting from 0% when the machine had to be shut down to move). > > K > >There is likely a file open on this disk when the system shutdown occurs K > >that is preventing the disk from being dismounted. Insure that all filesiK > >are closed (and perhaps explicitly dismount the disk rather than relyingcL > >upon VMS to do it for you). Any chance that you've got a pagefile on thisN > >disk? If so the best you can do is use SYSGEN to DEINSTALL it and hope thatN > >all reservations and usage of it disappear prior to the attempted dismount. > >FH >      in fact DSA1 has a pagefile on it, not DSA2.  There are installedJ > images on DSA2, but no other 'open' files unless that happened to be theM > case for other reasons during the last two shutdowns.  I'm going to look at D > creating a deinstall/dismount procedure for both of the non-systemM > shadowsets to see if that helps.  I'm also pretty sure I can get rid of thedF > second pagefile on DSA1; there is no indication it is really needed.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Jun 2002 12:45:17 -0700v( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)# Subject: Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2 = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206011145.390caa3d@posting.google.com>a  [ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<1JUN200209103225@gerg.tamu.edu>... . > bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) writes... > }you want reliability, try( > }purveyor, it was written for tcpware, >  > You say this a lot.  > C > It does not appear to be true. As far as I can tell, Purveyor wasuD > originally written for Windows NT and ported to VMS. It appears toD > have been based on the free EMWAC web server, although it has beenC > modified so much that it probably has very little of the original   > code left in its last version. > H > The only way you could be right is if Process created a completely newG > web server for VMS that they just gave the same name as their WindowseG > web server. This doesn't seem likely. It is probably more accurate totA > say that it was modified for tcpware when it was ported to VMS.b > 
 > --- Carl  D wrong, I talked to Process and the guy who designed purveyor tweakedC it for vms and tcpware ... it is not the same as the nt version ...o3 it was modified for the vms tcpware environment ...t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:47:35 -0400C1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>i Subject: Re: VMS to UNIX/LINUX2 Message-ID: <3CF932E7.F875AD1F@firstdbasource.com>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > Try NFS !!! It is better ! > 	 > Regardsm >  > FC8 > --- JeffM <Jeffrey.Mutonho@softwarefutures.com> wrote:8 > > I'm writing(in C++, on VMS) a application that needs > > to talk to a remotee5 > > UNIX box and be able to browse the file system on  > > the remote box , and+ > > place files in some specific directory?e0 > > What's the best way of doing that?Sockets?Or > > invoking FTP from within > > the application?Any ideas? > >l >  > =====" > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil, > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?2 > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.come  H TCPIP Services, Multinet and any TCPWARE all have NFS Client/Servers.  IF just finished setting up that config on a SunOS box that mounted a VMS Exported filesystem.    	 Multinet:n multi conf/nfs export disk:[dir] 2 add mount-restriction disk:[dir] <remote system>  % 	! Only remote system can mount this.MG add uid <vms username> 1234 101  !remote users uid/gid only one per VMS- user.    on Sun:,= mount -o soft,rw,timeo=150,suid,retrans=5,rsize=8192 -F nfs \.4    node.com:disk:[dir]\#/vms_filenames  /<mnt point>F                       ^ note "escape" character need interactive mount 			remove for /etc/vfstabn  H file names on Sun box are now somewhat - but not always case insensitive5 on this filesystem.  Also things like subdirectories:o   cd mysub ?directory not found cd mysub.dir works.  * As always, Linux is different... so, YMMV. --   Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163m7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comh Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile)S   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 03:25:02 +0100s From: nic <junk@127.0.0.1>: Subject: Re: Who does the CLUEXIT? (was Re: Strange crash)) Message-ID: <3CF981FE.D857A12E@127.0.0.1>n   Peter Weaver wrote:t > M > The actual question that I should have posted is (I'm just posting this forrG > information, we pay enough for support that I'll let them give us the  > answers);y > 7 > We have two nodes that we want to cluster on a HSG80.a > L > Each node will have 1 vote, the quorum disk will have one vote for a total > of three votes.a > @ > Since this is FC the SCS traffic must go through the Ethernet. > K > If the Ethernet breaks then the SCS traffic would be lost. Each node will1J > then still have its own FC path to the quorum disk. Each node could thenL > form a cluster between it and the quorum disk unless there was some escapeL > mechanism in place to handle this type of problem, knowing VMS I know thatN > their has to be some escape mechanism, but what is it? I thought I had heardN > or read before that when this happens each node would write something to theM > quorum disk basically saying to the other node "I'm still here, but you are M > not, if you see this then one of us has to CLUEXIT." Then the node with the G > highest SCSSYSTEMID (or lowest?) would then CLUEXIT. But based on the H > answers I've seen to the question what I remember must not be correct. > M > The first answer I received back from the support group said that there canrK > only be one active Quorum Disk Watcher in the cluster and that is how theaM > cluster avoids being partitioned, but I asked them again if there was a wayiI > to say that I want one particular node to CLUEXIT if this ever happens.n   Oh my.  D This is complicated. Quorum disks alter the situation. There are two= types of QUORUM, dynamic and static when using a quorum disk.n  G Static quorum is when the cluster NEEDS the quorum disk to have quorum,hD yet the quorum disk is not allowed to contribute its vote(s) becauseG parts of the cluster are independently updating it which themselves arek= not in the same cluster (difficult to understand), or remote.p  A Dynamic quorum is when the quorum disk *is* a trusted part of thenC cluster, yet there are also enough votes in the physical members toe( maintain quorum without the quorum disk.  B The cluster with quorum will have dynamic quorum. Static quorum is/ usually a hanging / processing suspended state.u  E Each cluster member which is a quorum disk watcher knows if they haveo@ either static or dynamic quorum, and effectively it is this thatE determines the bugcheck order. If whomever updated the QUORUM.DAT hasdH dynamic quorum, then obviously the inquiring member that discovered this must bugcheck.  C The opposite is also true. If this is part of the cluster which hasiH dynamic quorum, then this part of the cluster would update the file, andH therefor expect the other part of the cluster must bugcheck, same rules, different point of view.  E Static quorum only happens when using quorum disks and can arise wheneE disk watchers depart, or the disk becomes invalidated / untrustworthy7F due to detection of other members accessing the file without any otherE cluster interconnect active. Cluster activity does stop at this pointa$ but it has a bearing on the CLUEXIT.  C If the rejoining member discovers the other part of the cluster has:( dynamic, then this member must bugcheck.  C If the rejoining member discovers the other part of the cluster hasaH static quorum, and this member does not, then this member will bugcheck.  D There is a case mentioned in another message in this thread, that ifG neither member has static or dynamic, then this member should bugcheck,e? which may also mean that the 'remote' member may also bugcheck.l  ? Well, I'm not sure if I've explained that well enough, but yourlG conclusion should be to give your 'main' node more votes than the otheroF so it at least has static quorum over the other node. This way you are2 adding some certainly to which node will bugcheck.   Main node = 2 votesg Other node = 1 voteo Qdisk = 1 vote.    (4+2)/2=3=quorum  F If you main node lost the quorum disk then it would have static quorum9 (2 and waiting for 1). Hang yes, but not likely to crash.vG Your secondary node could not have static quorum as 1 + (waiting for) 1 ) is only 2, this would never equal quorum.i  F I expect this actually complicates matters for you! However, you asked for it.   F I'd strongly agree with another reply you had, into using multiple andF independent ethernet CI's but in fairness to quorum disks, it's fairlyH rare that connection is lost, your issue is more around losing the otherD cluster interconnects where a quorum disk then proves to all members! that something is terribly wrong!a  H AMDS or AM (Availability Manager) as it is now known, is a way out whereC a manual decision can be taken, this may be your path to certainty.E -- C Regards, Nic Clews (from home), nic at python dot demon dot co dot uk (play) nclews at csc dot com (work)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.303 ************************instance would think it's a VAX 7800 or VAX 4000-705A with aB pre-boot programed Ethernet Address (for non-changable licensing).% Is it too late for that kind of talk?s  ?   With the multiple instance of OpenVMS Alpha concept on Galaxy ? and SRI's Charon-VAX hardware emulation, maybe that's possible.o  ?   I've tested Ch
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