1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 02 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 304       Contents:& $WAKE() lost during high AST activity?* Re: $WAKE() lost during high AST activity?* Re: $WAKE() lost during high AST activity? A blast from the past - NOT ! - Assembly generation with OpenVMS's C compiler 1 Re: Assembly generation with OpenVMS's C compiler 1 Re: Assembly generation with OpenVMS's C compiler = Re: China to launch cyber attacks soon, be on VMS or bye-bye!  Re: Console graphics reset Could linux become VMS?  RE: Could linux become VMS? / IBM wins supercomputer deal, DELL wants in too.  Re: Open Letter to HP   Re: OpenVMS FAQ due next week... Re: OpenVMS VAX V6.2 on Galaxy!  Re: OpenVMS VAX V6.2 on Galaxy!  Re: OVMS Web Ring  Re: OVMS Web Ring ; Re: Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then? ; Re: Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then? ; Re: Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then? C Re: visual formatting (was: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2002 18:02:39 GMT 7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) / Subject: $WAKE() lost during high AST activity? $ Message-ID: <2002Jun2.180239@hujicc>   Hello,  M   I have a program in DEC-C which has the following logic: It has a main loop M which does a few instructions, then sleeps for a while, do a few instructions O sleeps and so on. The sleep is done by calling $SETIMR followed by $HIBER (and   the $SETIMR calls $WAKE).   L   While the program's main loop is active there is an extensive I/O done viaO AST's (terminal I/O). I noticed that during high AST activity the $WAKE is lost 5 (i.e. it is called, but the $HIBER does not wake up).   =   Anyone noticed such behaviour and knows how to overcome it?   5                                     Thanks! __Yehavi:    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:05:10 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>3 Subject: Re: $WAKE() lost during high AST activity? A Message-ID: <WmrK8.100037$jm.9610114@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   D "Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)" <yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il> wrote in message news:2002Jun2.180239@hujicc... > Hello, > J >   I have a program in DEC-C which has the following logic: It has a main loopB > which does a few instructions, then sleeps for a while, do a few instructionsK > sleeps and so on. The sleep is done by calling $SETIMR followed by $HIBER  (and > the $SETIMR calls $WAKE).  > J >   While the program's main loop is active there is an extensive I/O done via L > AST's (terminal I/O). I noticed that during high AST activity the $WAKE is lost7 > (i.e. it is called, but the $HIBER does not wake up).  > ? >   Anyone noticed such behaviour and knows how to overcome it?   K This isn't the classic race of waiting on a trigger (in this case, a timer) F which sometimes fires before you wait for it, is it?  If so, the usualK solution is either to use an atomic wait-for/sleep primitive (if available) K or to use a level-triggered wait mechanism (again, if available - my memory A is rusty, but VMS event flags may well suffice) which will return 1 immediately if the wake condition is already met.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2002 10:19:26 -0700 - From: jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) 3 Subject: Re: $WAKE() lost during high AST activity? < Message-ID: <9059bf6b.0206020919.7dbd26f@posting.google.com>  c yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) wrote in message news:<2002Jun2.180239@hujicc>...  > Hello, > O >   I have a program in DEC-C which has the following logic: It has a main loop O > which does a few instructions, then sleeps for a while, do a few instructions Q > sleeps and so on. The sleep is done by calling $SETIMR followed by $HIBER (and   > the $SETIMR calls $WAKE).  > N >   While the program's main loop is active there is an extensive I/O done viaQ > AST's (terminal I/O). I noticed that during high AST activity the $WAKE is lost 7 > (i.e. it is called, but the $HIBER does not wake up).  > ? >   Anyone noticed such behaviour and knows how to overcome it?  > 7 >                                     Thanks! __Yehavi:   > This doesn't answer your question, but we do a similar thing a& different way.  It seems to work fine.  C We have the timr routine set an event flag and resubmit itself.  So & instead of using HIB we use sys$wflor.  D Maybe it isn't elegant but it has work for 16 years on VAX/VMS up to" the latest greatest Alpha/OpenVMS.   JMOD   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 05:54:32 -0400 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> & Subject: A blast from the past - NOT !, Message-ID: <3CF9EB4F.87601FE9@videotron.ca>   I tried the following:  3 http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.digital.com   N They have back issues of many of the large popular web sites. But unfortunatlyL it seems that the web site's owner has requested that the digital site "back issues" not be available.   L I guess they don't want us to see all the commitments to Alpha that had been made !  . However, Compaq hasn't blocked their site yet:  2 http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.compaq.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 11:53:15 GMT B From: Steffen =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Gr=F8nneberg?= <steffen@illumina.no>6 Subject: Assembly generation with OpenVMS's C compiler7 Message-ID: <LGnK8.8318$_15.245035@news4.ulv.nextra.no>   5 How would I make the c compiler output assembly code? ? And, how would I compile the generated code afterwords with cc?    Steffen Grnneberg   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:53:12 +0200. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>: Subject: Re: Assembly generation with OpenVMS's C compiler= Message-ID: <3cfa311c$0$74255$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>   9 Steffen Grnneberg <steffen@illumina.no> wrote in message 1 news:LGnK8.8318$_15.245035@news4.ulv.nextra.no... 7 > How would I make the c compiler output assembly code? A > And, how would I compile the generated code afterwords with cc?  >   A You can list the generated code by specifying the /MAC qualifyer,  as follows:   !     $ cc/lis/mac <your_c_program>   C However, the output from that is unsuitable for assembling using an E assembler - but why would you want to do that? CC compiles the C-code ! directly to linkable object code.        Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:50:50 GMT B From: Steffen =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Gr=F8nneberg?= <steffen@illumina.no>: Subject: Re: Assembly generation with OpenVMS's C compiler7 Message-ID: <K1sK8.8397$_15.248564@news4.ulv.nextra.no>    Jesper Naur wrote:   > ; > Steffen Grnneberg <steffen@illumina.no> wrote in message 3 > news:LGnK8.8318$_15.245035@news4.ulv.nextra.no... 8 >> How would I make the c compiler output assembly code?B >> And, how would I compile the generated code afterwords with cc? >> > C > You can list the generated code by specifying the /MAC qualifyer, 
 > as follows:  > # >     $ cc/lis/mac <your_c_program>  > E > However, the output from that is unsuitable for assembling using an G > assembler - but why would you want to do that? CC compiles the C-code # > directly to linkable object code.  >  >     Best regards >     Jesper Naur      Thanks alot :) Why? To learn ofcourse :)    ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:22:57 +0000 (UTC)( From: "Bill Sticker" <nospam@nospam.com>F Subject: Re: China to launch cyber attacks soon, be on VMS or bye-bye!/ Message-ID: <adcdk1$fqa$1@paris.btinternet.com>   4 "Doran Werling" <Doran167W@aol.com> wrote in message7 news:d7aafdca.0206010719.7d4dbb85@posting.google.com... ; > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message < news:<20020531194830.76598.qmail@web20210.mail.yahoo.com>...5 > > Why americans are so paranoids ???? Poor chinese,  > > iranians....0 > > You should look for their  "enemies" between6 > > the US militaries... they waste billion of dollars > > with6 > > these computer toys....this money should be useful0 > > to finish the starving of the own americans. > >  > >  > > Regards  > >  > > FC >  > >  >  > C > When civilian airliners full of innocent people start flying into 	 buildings " > in Brazil, then come talk to us.  G This is not likely to happen. Brazil is not trying to police the world.  Neither E do they force countries that object, into poverty and starvation with 
 sanctions.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 02 09:04:46 +0200 ) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) # Subject: Re: Console graphics reset ) Message-ID: <ALp5FeAnLgKp@elias.decus.ch>   W In article <3CF895D0.D9E09FDC@Free.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes:  > What is CTRL F2 ?  > ' Hold down the Control Key and press F2.     The key with "F2" written on it.  : The one just the right of the key with "F1" written on it.  A Also the one just to the left of the key with "F3" written on it.   * At the top left hand side of the keyboard.   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)    > D. >  > Mike Rechtman wrote: >>  & >> Could you be referring to CTRL-F2 ? >> Mike  >>  M >> >How do you get the console back into graphics mode after it has switch to J >> >character cell and is no longer functional? There used to be a control3 >> >sequence if I remember right....senior moments. # >> >any help would be appreciated..  --   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2002 07:27:40 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)  Subject: Could linux become VMS?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206020627.502d931a@posting.google.com>    Just a wild thought but ... : VMS is written in Bliss ... our discussions on comp.os.vms8 has concluded that one of the big factors that makes VMS6 immune to buffer overflow attacks is that it is mainly8 written in Bliss, which forces you to handle descriptors; differently than in "c" ... "c" is the problem in linux ... : why doesn't someone in the linux crowd do something useful: and rewrite linux in Bliss, which is available for free as9 the compiler is available to anyone?  Then I may consider 8 using linux someday, after it proves itself ... any idea8 when this may happen?  Also, VMS ignores IP packets, and8 when a VMS IP stack (i.e. Multinet) buffer overflows and: a vunerability exists, VMS catches that w/access violation: errors and kills the process ... why can't this be done on7 linux also?  Here is an example from a recent cert snmp < advisory from process softwares site ... notice what happens: on VMS when Multinet blows up ... why not linux?  answers?    ( SNMP Inquiry - Cert Advisory CA-2002-03 P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------  	 Question:   D Are either MultiNet or TCPware affected by CERT Advisory CA-2002-03A in Many Implementations of the Simple Network Management Protocol   (SNMP), dated February 12, 2002?   Answer:   F These SNMP vulnerabilities do NOT pose security risks for MultiNet andF TCPware. MultiNet V4.4A is not vulnerable to these SNMP issues at all.D MultiNet 4.3A and TCPware have minor problems with access violationsA (resulting in the SNMP process dying), but pose no security risk. C Patches for MultiNet 4.3A and TCPware V5.5-3 are available from the E TCPware ECO Database and the MultiNet ECO database. Use the following 
 kit names:   MultiNet V4.3A: SNMP-020_A043  TCPware V5.5-3: SNMPD_V553P011   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:36:28 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: RE: Could linux become VMS?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEMBFBAA.tom@kednos.com>    Your first line says it all :-)    >-----Original Message----- 0 >From: Bob Ceculski [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]$ >Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 7:28 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com! >Subject: Could linux become VMS?  >  >  >Just a wild thought but ...; >VMS is written in Bliss ... our discussions on comp.os.vms 9 >has concluded that one of the big factors that makes VMS 7 >immune to buffer overflow attacks is that it is mainly 9 >written in Bliss, which forces you to handle descriptors < >differently than in "c" ... "c" is the problem in linux ...; >why doesn't someone in the linux crowd do something useful ; >and rewrite linux in Bliss, which is available for free as : >the compiler is available to anyone?  Then I may consider9 >using linux someday, after it proves itself ... any idea 9 >when this may happen?  Also, VMS ignores IP packets, and 9 >when a VMS IP stack (i.e. Multinet) buffer overflows and ; >a vunerability exists, VMS catches that w/access violation ; >errors and kills the process ... why can't this be done on 8 >linux also?  Here is an example from a recent cert snmp= >advisory from process softwares site ... notice what happens ; >on VMS when Multinet blows up ... why not linux?  answers?  >  > ( >SNMP Inquiry - Cert Advisory CA-2002-03D >------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > 
 >Question: > E >Are either MultiNet or TCPware affected by CERT Advisory CA-2002-03 B >in Many Implementations of the Simple Network Management Protocol! >(SNMP), dated February 12, 2002?  >  >Answer: > G >These SNMP vulnerabilities do NOT pose security risks for MultiNet and G >TCPware. MultiNet V4.4A is not vulnerable to these SNMP issues at all. E >MultiNet 4.3A and TCPware have minor problems with access violations B >(resulting in the SNMP process dying), but pose no security risk.D >Patches for MultiNet 4.3A and TCPware V5.5-3 are available from theF >TCPware ECO Database and the MultiNet ECO database. Use the following >kit names:  >  >MultiNet V4.3A: SNMP-020_A043 >TCPware V5.5-3: SNMPD_V553P011  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 02:17:34 -0400 % From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> 8 Subject: IBM wins supercomputer deal, DELL wants in too., Message-ID: <3CF9B87A.5B6593D7@videotron.ca>  L With the death of Alpha, it makes some interesting developments. Dell on the4 8086, IBM on the Power, and IA64 nowhere to be seen.   ##K IBM has signed what it hopes will be its biggest supercomputer deal ever: a I contract for up to $224 million to improve the National Weather Service's  forecasting technology.   N  IBM Global Services will operate the 2,572-processor machine, to be installedI in an IBM facility in Gaithersburg, Md., IBM and the National Oceanic and N Atmospheric Administration ( NOAA) said Friday. By  July 2003, the system willG completely take over the task of producing the National Weather Service J forecasts distributed to Accuweather, the Weather Channel, and innumerable other media outlets.    I   The new weather system will improve forecasting, NOAA Chief Information J Officer Carl Staton said in an  interview. Today's system forecasts a weekN into the future. The new system will improve the detail and  accuracy of thoseL forecasts through better physical models and the incorporation of more data,M and ultimately, Staton said, the system will be able to forecast two weeks in 	 advance.    K  "As we add more data, more physics, and increase the model resolution--all K those require more  computing power, but we still have to do it in the same  time frame," Staton said.   L  Supercomputers, mammoth systems that often take up large rooms, are used toN tackle onerous computing operations such as cracking encrypted communications,7 designing nuclear weapons or developing new medicines.    M NEC currently tops market analysis firm IDC's ranking of the world's fastest  N supercomputers, but IBM expects its sustained effort will eventually propel it into the lead.    G  "We have a lot of plans to beat that machine," said Peter Ungaro, vice L president of high-performance computing at IBM, adding that IBM has the most supercomputers on the list.   H  The new weather system will have a sustained performance of 700 billionK calculations per second, compared with 150 billion for the current machine,i  also an IBM model, Staton said.   N  NOAA's contract begins with a three-year plan but includes options that couldK extend it twice more through 2009 and add a backup computer as well. If alleL these options are awarded, IBM will receive $224 million. IBM refused to say: how much it will receive in the three-year base contract.   I  If both extensions are granted, the final machine will have 48 times theE2 computing power of the current system, NOAA said.   M  The supercomputer is made of dozens of p690 "Regatta" servers connected with.M a high-speed IBM communication switch and storing data on IBM storage systemsWM with 42 terabytes total capacity. NOAA will first use 50 Regattas with 1.3GHz L Power4 processors, and in 2004 will  upgrade with an additional 36 Regattas,% with 1.8GHz processors, Staton said. A  I  The first option to extend the system would use IBM's Power5 processors,RM Ungaro said. Beyond that, the systems will use whatever is  available to meet- the performance requirements.   N  But rarefied supercomputer designs such as the one set up for NOAA are seeing1 competition from machines that cost vastly less. n  A  These systems, called Beowulf machines, typically use groups--orhI "clusters"--of Intel-based computers running the Linux operating system.    H  IBM sells these cheaper systems, but it's not alone. Dell Computer, forM example, has entered the fray and plans to announce a host of  companies that  have purchased its products.    L  While Dell isn't known for in-depth research and development expertise, itsM entry into a particular market typically indicates that the company  believesBN it's mature enough to dominate that area with mainstream computing technology.G Though Dell has faltered with high-end storage products, it's shown the-3 strategy to be effective with Intel-based servers. 1  K  Dell's supercomputer customers include Companie Generale de Geophysique, alF major French petrochemical company; Swinburne  University in Victoria,K Australia; Johns Hopkins University; the Cornell Theory Center; the Georgia.M Institute of Technology; Penn State University; Sandia National Laboratories;aJ the University of Alabama, Birmingham; and the University of Missouri, St. Louis. f  M  Companie Generale de Geophysique has expanded its system to include 512 Dell M servers running Red Hat's version of Linux. That's in addition to another oneM2 of CGG's systems three times that large in Texas.   M  And Johns Hopkins University's Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences isiJ using Dell systems running simulations of the Earth's oceans, choosing theJ system based in part on its lower cost, according to professor Tom Haine.   I  "Building our cluster on open standards server technology and the RedHatrD Linux operating system was an easy decision when you compare it to aN traditional supercomputer purchase," Haine said in a statement. "It allowed usO to maximize cluster performance and  robustness within our technology budget." , ##   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 02 09:26:45 +0200i) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)w Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP) Message-ID: <CmOzM0OXRMnu@elias.decus.ch>   m In article <9059bf6b.0206010849.4402cff3@posting.google.com>, jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes:i	 >> Jason,  >> iC >> 	I agree with much of what you say, but I do believe advertising E >> 	should be targetted.  It is for other similar high-end OSes, i.e.:D >> 	AS/400, mainframes and NSK and when was the last time you saw a G >> 	Rolls-Royce, Lamborghini, etc. commercial on television?  They run w- >> 	ads in targetted publications - I assume.w >> rC >> 	A very good attempt to sway opinion was put together by a grouplA >> 	that worked months formulating ideas.  That piece - penned by B >> 	Bill Todd with great amount of input from others - is found atA >> 	the Google link below.  Advertizing ideas among other things.h >> K
 >> 				Rob > H > I am sorry, but I really disagree.  IBM markets their LINUX servers on2 > TV, didn't they have some AS/400 spots way back? > E > Television hits everyone, it establishes credibility of product anda
 > its future.t >   M It is not for nothing that "As seen on TV" is often used on product packagingh and press advertising.  E > Everyone will ask their company why are they not using OpenVMS when.@ > their system crashes.  IT managers have to keep their internal > customers happy.  L It would be nice if when folks ask what I do for a living, they had actually  heard of the product called VMS.   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:29:35 GMTv3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)a) Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAQ due next week... / Message-ID: <ze2K8.18$xB2.54@news-srv1.fmr.com>r   Hi John,  M CSWB (Mozilla in "supported" mode) works fine, but needs *lots* of memory andaM PGFLQ.  I tried variations of Mozilla from 0.9-1 up to 0.9-8, and did not seelI the problem with downloads that you mention.  I suspect that running on abG faster workstation might help, too - but that may not be an option.	:-)c  
 Good luck.  W In article <1020531190331.359A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:?# >On 30 May 2002, Bob Koehler wrote:> >ub >> In article <ad40k7$6bt$3@web1.cup.hp.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: >> > oI >> >   One distribution question: do y'all want to see the eight articlesdJ >> >   that it will take to post the new FAQ -- this due to a two-hundred K >> >   block limit in the local news server -- or will a notification here  H >> >   of its availability, and where you can access the new FAQ and/or J >> >   download it suffice?  (Or are there other distribution alternatives< >> >   that might be prefered?  Ok, that's two questions...) >>  G >>    As long as I can get a text-only version, I don't care how.  HTML = >>    is nice, but sometimes I need to read the FAQ with EDT.I >mE >I'll second this, but I *do* care (slightly) how.  (And I don't readnF >it with EDT, I use TECO.  And SEARCH...  Amongst the reasons I prefer7 >the text-only version are such diverse elements as...)a >sF >Someday, I will spend the 10 minutes necessary to install Lynx on oneE >of my VMS systems.  Pending that, I can read news groups and use FTP H >on my VMS systems, but I need to run web browsers on my DEC Unix systemH >or go elsewhere to a PC.  When I download stuff from the web, I need toL >FTP it to somewhere useful (i.e. any disk on my VMS cluster.)  For one-stepE >downloading, I prefer it to be accessible via FTP, or if it's posted 5 >to the newsgroup, I can just save to disk from Pine.f >@B >Maybe this is a short-term issue, and VMS Mozilla will be useableE >soon.  M0.9-8, the last one I tried, doesn't do downloads correctly,dC >or maybe at all.  (I couldn't get it to work, and I think it was a?E >known problem.)  In addition, it took many minutes to start up on myiC >world's slowest AlphaStation 200 4/100.  (Maybe the 1st generation C >Alphas with faster clocks were actually slower, I don't know.)  It E >was almost as slow to start up on my AlphaServer 1200 5/533.  Is thedC >latest Mozilla faster/better?  Is that a FAQ?  P.S.  Netscape 4.73 D >on an identical AlphaStation 200 4/100 running DEC Unix works fine.. >But Netscape 4.xx isn't available for VMS :-( >  >--  >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.n >781-861-0670 ext 539: >i   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"d "Lose the MAPS"9   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 09:24:11 +0200>) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>5( Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX V6.2 on Galaxy!/ Message-ID: <3CF9C81B.6020201@xs4all.nospam.nl>    Steve Sparrow wrote:D >   What's the chance that a multi-processor Galaxy on a SC,GS,ES,DSF > Alpha could eventually support an instance running OpenVMS VAX V6.2?B > The instance would think it's a VAX 7800 or VAX 4000-705A with aD > pre-boot programed Ethernet Address (for non-changable licensing).' > Is it too late for that kind of talk?o > A >   With the multiple instance of OpenVMS Alpha concept on Galaxy A > and SRI's Charon-VAX hardware emulation, maybe that's possible.w > A >   I've tested Charon-VAX MicroVAX II emulator on a Windows 2000 ? > system and was impressed at the I/O speed and depressed about C > the CPU speed. (I used the hobbyist version at home so I couldn'tu= > try networking or clustering with my VAXstations. I haven'tA3 > tried the Alpha version or the Pico-VAX version.)D > : >   If I tried the Charon-VAX on an AlphaServer 8400 5/300@ > with 6 cpus, could the Charon-VAX use more than 1 cpu and keepB > running when I logout of the Alpha? The Alpha runs OpenVMS V7.2./ > I assume that the cpus are too slow for this.  > A >   Is the Galaxy idea being considered on the Itanium? I haven'td@ > heard of any systems with a bunch of cpus unless the cpus wereA > all Alpha cpus (Cray). I've heard of the Compaq 8-way proliant MA > (ia32) but have never seen more than 2 Intel processors in the a > same container.t > 7 >   If Itanium doesn't work will everyone use a Hammer?d >   > I'm just hoping against hope..  H Maybe you should first explain what you are trying to achieve, and what ' the Galaxy concept might benefit to it?-  H Galaxy can be used on multi processor Alpha servers and there is no way I a VAX CPU can play a role there. Also, Galaxy has no meaning across more 7I than one system. You can't have both Alpha and VAX cpu's in one box. OK, .G you could mount an Alphaserver and a VAX 4000 in the same cabinet, but u that doesn't count.i  H You *CAN* run multiple instances of Charon VAX on multiple instances of C OpenVMS in a Galaxy. Those emulated VAXen can run OpenVMS VAX V6.2.r  ) Maybe this already answers your question.i  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2002 07:37:44 -0600i- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)h( Subject: Re: OpenVMS VAX V6.2 on Galaxy!3 Message-ID: <c1s5RwmPC3+d@eisner.encompasserve.org>i   In article <D2CCEA33E5CE16C9.04EC7F8D0BC4F7EE.22B6D1D88A3B48D8@lp.airnews.net>, Steve Sparrow <sdsparrow1n0spam@netscape.net> writes: D >   What's the chance that a multi-processor Galaxy on a SC,GS,ES,DSF > Alpha could eventually support an instance running OpenVMS VAX V6.2?B > The instance would think it's a VAX 7800 or VAX 4000-705A with aD > pre-boot programed Ethernet Address (for non-changable licensing).' > Is it too late for that kind of talk?   D Galaxy is a software implementation that takes advantage of high-endB hardware capabilities of the Wildfire platform (and presumably its successors).  = That software implementation is embedded in Alpha VMS itself.e; There is no such code in VAX/VMS.  So far as I can see, VMS19 support for Charon-VAX was announced only due to existingo
 environments.k  7 VMS Development folks have said repeatedly that a majorl7 difference in how they see their VAX and Alpha customer 5 basis is that VAX customers value stability of the OSi7 interfaces (published and unpublished) much more highlya than Alpha customers.   . I think Galaxy support in VAX/VMS is unlikely.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Jun 2002 08:54:09 -0000 = From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>_ Subject: Re: OVMS Web Ring6 Message-ID: <20020602085409.22848.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On Sat, 01 Jun 2002, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: F >Just today, I finally updated the OpenVMS Web Ring code on my OpenVMSF >page, http://www.djesys.com/vms/ . Actually, I "borrowed" code from a6 >"neighboring" site and adjusted it to fit my site id. >0D >I noticed that many sites on the ring do not have the web ring codeH >working, just as mine didn't until today (actually, I had the old code,G >which broke when WebRing split off from Yahoo). Some sites are missings> >even. So, the OpenVMS Web Ring is currently a bit fragmented. >mG >If you have an OpenVMS web ring site, please go to the web ring hub ateF >http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?home;ring=openvms and find out7 >what you need to make the ring connections work again.e  J Neither of my neighbouring websites has the Webring code on the pages thatD you get directed to. This means I get virtually zero traffic via theJ webring. I find it pretty pointless to actually be a member of the webring& if other people don't use it properly.     Doc. -- l6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:24:57 +0200o) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>  Subject: Re: OVMS Web Ring- Message-ID: <3CFA0089.40809@xs4all.nospam.nl>M   Doc.Cypher wrote:sI > On Sat, 01 Jun 2002, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:- > G >>Just today, I finally updated the OpenVMS Web Ring code on my OpenVMS G >>page, http://www.djesys.com/vms/ . Actually, I "borrowed" code from ai7 >>"neighboring" site and adjusted it to fit my site id.  >>E >>I noticed that many sites on the ring do not have the web ring codeiI >>working, just as mine didn't until today (actually, I had the old code,hH >>which broke when WebRing split off from Yahoo). Some sites are missing? >>even. So, the OpenVMS Web Ring is currently a bit fragmented.u >>H >>If you have an OpenVMS web ring site, please go to the web ring hub atG >>http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?home;ring=openvms and find oute8 >>what you need to make the ring connections work again. >  > L > Neither of my neighbouring websites has the Webring code on the pages thatF > you get directed to. This means I get virtually zero traffic via theL > webring. I find it pretty pointless to actually be a member of the webring( > if other people don't use it properly. >  >  > Doc.  G Well, even the OpenVMS Webring's home page, which is supposed to be at 2E http://members.gtw.net/~taylor/tms/ovmsring/OpenVMShome.html tell us  H that it has been moved to http://www.tetranet.net/taylor/tms/ovmsring/,   which in turn gives a 404 error.  G Also, if you follow the ring (I started at John Wisniewski's page, but hH that's because that one happens to be in my bookmarks), when you follow   the 'next' links, the link from 4 http://www.montagar.com/~patj/freevms.htm points to H http://www.acersoft.com/. However, most of the time you get stuck in an G advertising page from webring, with lots of pop-ups. Of course you are y out of the ring by then.  I Maybe we all should implement our own webring running on OpenVMS systems.y  	 Bart Zornu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 02:12:17 -0400A% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>eD Subject: Re: Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then?, Message-ID: <3CF9B73E.685C39EA@videotron.ca>   Didier Morandi wrote:a- > What will be their next platform? they ask.   L If they need fault tolerance, Tandem is the answer. That is why Carly had no9 problems tanking about Tandem/NSK in her product roadmap.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 08:53:17 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>eD Subject: Re: Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then?' Message-ID: <3CF9C0DE.EC3C021F@Free.fr>e  O I thought Tandem systems were for financial applications. You can plug a grounde device to a Tandem?    D.   JF Mezei wrote:o >  > Didier Morandi wrote:i/ > > What will be their next platform? they ask.p > N > If they need fault tolerance, Tandem is the answer. That is why Carly had no; > problems tanking about Tandem/NSK in her product roadmap.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 03:34:25 -0400r% From: JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>aD Subject: Re: Real Time Survey: After the MIRA, the VAX FT. And then?+ Message-ID: <3CF9CA82.94B53C4@videotron.ca>o   Didier Morandi wrote:  > Q > I thought Tandem systems were for financial applications. You can plug a groundr > device to a Tandem?   N Tandem runs other subways around the world. They also run lottery systems. Not just stock exchanges.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 06:15:15 +0200l2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)L Subject: Re: visual formatting (was: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading); Message-ID: <3cf99bd3.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   3 Another option would be PerlPoint. From the README:r  I   The PerlPoint format [...] is intended to provide a simple and portableiJ   way to generate slides without the need of a proprietary product. SlidesE   can be prepared in a text editor of your choice, generated on a anysF   platform where you find perl, and presented by any browser which can"   render the chosen output format.  I   To sum it up, Perl Point Software takes an ASCII text and transforms ithJ   into slides written in a certain document description language. This is,F   by tradition, usually HTML, but you may decide to use another target2   format like XML, SGML, TeX or whatever you want.   cu,o   Martin --  D                     | Martin Vorlaender    |    VMS & WNT programmer-   Smiert Spamionem  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D                     |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/4                     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.304 ************************