1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 308       Contents: %DECthreads bugcheck Re: Challenge: Find The Fault  cluster wide logical names Re: cluster wide logical names Re: cluster wide logical names Re: cluster wide logical names Re: cluster wide logical names% Re: Console cable for a Microvax 3100  Re: Copying a file via FID Re: Copying a file via FID Re: Could linux become VMS?  Re: Could linux become VMS?   Re: Creating ACEs from a program. Data redundancy options for 3000 foot distance DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER # Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER # Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  Re: DFO and ODS-5 % difference between logical and symbol ) Re: difference between logical and symbol ) RE: difference between logical and symbol ) Re: difference between logical and symbol ) Re: difference between logical and symbol ) Re: difference between logical and symbol 4 Re: difference between logical names and DCL symbols4 Re: difference between logical names and DCL symbolsD Endianness (was: Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft)) Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !! - Re: Intel to start to advertise even more :-( - RE: Intel to start to advertise even more :-( 2 Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft2 Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft& Need help with HSC90 K.ci error status Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2 Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2 Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2 Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2 Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2 Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP   Re: OpenVMS FAQ due next week...  Re: OpenVMS FAQ due next week... Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.6.4 Quick shareable image question" Re: Quick shareable image question" Re: Quick shareable image question" Re: Quick shareable image question" Re: Quick shareable image question Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2 Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2P Re: The Press and the IA-64 Port (was Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't beP Re: The Press and the IA-64 Port (was Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't be Urgent News Flash  VAXBAR comments ' Why do all free sites have an AVS  5857   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:37:54 +0200% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>  Subject: %DECthreads bugcheck % Message-ID: <3cfcd0c4$1@news.post.ch>    Hello,  L 2 of our processes chrashed almost at the same time. can somebody see, if we are doing something wrong here?    best regards   Jakob Erber   @ %DECthreads bugcheck (version V3.15-266), terminating execution.8 % Reason:  cond 0x00000000015E13A0 ref. overflow on wait5 (0x0183F799:0x06FACBD1:0x00005811:0x0000000001496D60) H % Running on OpenVMS V7.2-1H1 on Compaq AlphaServer ES40, 1024Mb; 2 CPUsA % The bugcheck occurred at 03-JUN-2002 15:30:14.28, running image G %  $1$DKC1:[KUKO140.][RPC.RUNTIME_AXP]AUT_SHELL.EXE in process 2A615472  (namedJ %  "BE_IZV_6"), under username "KOBE_STARTUP". AST delivery is enabled for all K %  modes; no ASTs active. Upcalls are disabled. Multiple kernel threads are  %  disabled.9 % The current thread sequence number is 10, at 0x0160FB40  %  Current thread traceback:7 %     0:  PC 0x7BAA5B38, FP 0x0160D060, DESC 0x7BA87BE8 7 %     1:  PC 0x7BA9D910, FP 0x0160D140, DESC 0x7BA86BD0 7 %     2:  PC 0x7BA9BA00, FP 0x0160D210, DESC 0x7BA86E00 7 %     3:  PC 0x7C4A45BC, FP 0x0160D230, DESC 0x7C4988D0 7 %     4:  PC 0x7C4A64D8, FP 0x0160D260, DESC 0x7C499F10 7 %     5:  PC 0x01210998, FP 0x0160D280, DESC 0x010AC6B0 7 %     6:  PC 0x0116D394, FP 0x0160D4A0, DESC 0x01092A20 7 %     7:  PC 0x011852F8, FP 0x0160D510, DESC 0x010966C8 7 %     8:  PC 0x01183E6C, FP 0x0160D760, DESC 0x01096890 7 %     9:  PC 0x011838E4, FP 0x0160DA00, DESC 0x010969A0 7 %    10:  PC 0x7BAB72FC, FP 0x0160DDA0, DESC 0x7BA8A0A8 7 %    11:  PC 0x7BAA7504, FP 0x0160DFE0, DESC 0x7BA88480 7 %    12:  PC 0x00000000, FP 0x7AD35A60, DESC 0x7BA864B0 7 %    13:  PC 0xA56C53F4, FP 0x7AD39B30, DESC 0xA56C7CF0 7 %    14:  PC 0x7AE7F52C, FP 0x7AD39BB0, DESC 0x7AE56330 - %  Bugcheck output saved to pthread_dump.log. C %SYSTEM-F-IMGDMP, dynamic image dump signal at PC=000000007BAA5C98,  PS=0000001B 8   KOBE_STARTUP job terminated at  3-JUN-2002 15:30:16.54       --I What I publish in this group, is to be understood as my personal opninion A and must not be interpreted as a official statement of my company    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:49:47 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> & Subject: Re: Challenge: Find The FaultJ Message-ID: <fs4L8.184097$ah_.165831@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  I Assuming that the original statements are true, but obfuscated to protect J the guilty, the numbers represent  the ranking in the Fortune 100 of those
 companies.  J If the original statements of your 1st post are in fact wild fiction, thenK connecting the dots (so to speak) is a wasted exercise. But should HP issue - statements like that, it compromises nothing.   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3CFC355D.E3E204C5@fsi.net...  > John Smith wrote:  > > 1 > > Assuming that propositions 1 & 2 are related:  > >  > > #37 - AOL Time Warner B > > or at a stretch (if you consider mostly tv to be 'publishing') > > #85 Viacom > >  > > How am I doing so far? > F > Depends. What are you talking about? To what do these numbers refer?E > ...and to what in the original text do are they intended to relate?  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:13:41 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> # Subject: cluster wide logical names = Message-ID: <923L8.64585$%J4.1199446@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   H On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is it possible to create a cluster-wide logical name2 table that is accessible only to a specific group?B If so, how?  From what I see, a cluster-wide logical name table is' accessible to all users on the cluster.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:29:36 +0100, From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>' Subject: Re: cluster wide logical names 6 Message-ID: <adifc0$10v8vi$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  4 "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag7 news:923L8.64585$%J4.1199446@twister.tampabay.rr.com... J > On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is it possible to create a cluster-wide logical name4 > table that is accessible only to a specific group?D > If so, how?  From what I see, a cluster-wide logical name table is) > accessible to all users on the cluster.  >   H $ create /name /parent=lnm$cluster_table /protection=(g:rw,w) table_nameD $ set security /class=logical_name_table /own=groupmember table_name     -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:27:00 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ' Subject: Re: cluster wide logical names ; Message-ID: <01KIJCZ48PJW96WE0C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   J > On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is it possible to create a cluster-wide logical name5 > table that is accessible only to a specific group?     Yes.  < As you have probably noticed, this is a VERY useful feature.   > If so, how?     
 See below.  I > From what I see, a cluster-wide logical name table is accessible to all  > users on the cluster.   5 Yes (though you could perhaps change this with ACLs).   F Solution: create a table with the LNM$SYSCLUSTER as the parent table, = and give the group the appropriate rights to the child table.   G Note that there at least WAS a mistake in the HELP with regard to this  I (IIRC, CREATE/NAME_TABLE): SYSNAM and SYSPRV were swapped in the HELP at  I one place---it said one of the privs is needed, but in fact the other is  	 required.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:02:31 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> ' Subject: Re: cluster wide logical names 2 Message-ID: <zsb8PIuA1KW06vgqigtO4gclj=y9@4ax.com>  8 On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:27:00 +0100 (MET), Phillip Helbig+ <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote:   K >> On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is it possible to create a cluster-wide logical name 6 >> table that is accessible only to a specific group?  >  >Yes.  > = >As you have probably noticed, this is a VERY useful feature.  >  >> If so, how?   >  >See below.  > J >> From what I see, a cluster-wide logical name table is accessible to all >> users on the cluster.   > 6 >Yes (though you could perhaps change this with ACLs). > G >Solution: create a table with the LNM$SYSCLUSTER as the parent table,  > >and give the group the appropriate rights to the child table. > H >Note that there at least WAS a mistake in the HELP with regard to this J >(IIRC, CREATE/NAME_TABLE): SYSNAM and SYSPRV were swapped in the HELP at J >one place---it said one of the privs is needed, but in fact the other is 
 >required.  ?     Also, if you want that table in the user or group path, you 8 will need to modify the name lookup as appropriate.  See! the translation for LNM$FILE_DEV:   1 $ sh log lnm$file_dev /table=lnm$system_directory 8    "LNM$FILE_DEV" = "LNM$PROCESS" (LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY)         = "LNM$JOB"          = "LNM$GROUP"          = "LNM$SYSTEM"         = "DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES"  : You'll need to do one of two things if you want that table in the search path:   :     1.  For each user in the group in question, create the3          LNM$FILE_DEV logical and include the group 5          cluster table as appropriate, probably after )          LNM$GROUP and before LNM$SYSTEM.   4     2.  Create the LNM$FILE_DEV logical in the group6          logical name table for the appropriate group.   David R. Beatty    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:31:06 GMT # From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> ' Subject: Re: cluster wide logical names = Message-ID: <Ka4L8.64790$%J4.1212292@twister.tampabay.rr.com>   G If we have different groups, and each group has a different file called L "sensitivedata", and if someone wants to access the correct "sensitivedata",E how would they know which file to access?  Setting the security might G prevent the wrong group from accessing "sensitivedata", but I need each , group to access the "correct" sensitivedata.  F It sounds like we are going to need to create a whole new logical nameG scheme.  Is there a way to tell a process in a group which cluster-wide J logical name table to use?  I don't want to have to make code changes eachE time we move code from DEVELOMENT to QA, or from QA to SUPPORT or  to A PRODUCTION, or to any of our other groups that share the cluster.   K Better yet,  woulld be if someone could point me to the documentation.  All K I could find was a single sentence in the OpenVMS Users Manual.  It was not 
 real helpful.   7 "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net> wrote in message 0 news:adifc0$10v8vi$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de... > 6 > "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag9 > news:923L8.64585$%J4.1199446@twister.tampabay.rr.com... L > > On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is it possible to create a cluster-wide logical name6 > > table that is accessible only to a specific group?F > > If so, how?  From what I see, a cluster-wide logical name table is+ > > accessible to all users on the cluster.  > >  > J > $ create /name /parent=lnm$cluster_table /protection=(g:rw,w) table_nameF > $ set security /class=logical_name_table /own=groupmember table_name >  >  > --
 > Regards, > Rainer Giese >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:38:34 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: Console cable for a Microvax 3100. Message-ID: <3CFCB4CA.7401757F@mindspring.com>  8 Don't forget that at least some VAXen and PDP-11s used a< grounded pin on the 9-pin connector in order to enable "Halt0 on <BREAK>". That was the difference between the0 otherwise-identical BCC05 (no Halt-on-Break" and, BCC08 ("Yes, Halt-on-Break") 9-pin to 25-pin null-modem cables.   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 07:28:57 -0600 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Copying a file via FID 3 Message-ID: <PwWQ6vxqsO+w@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <69d784c4.0206031241.754e6680@posting.google.com>, Jack.Trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) writes:E > I want to make a copy of a file but I only have the file's FID.  Is D > there some nonobvious command in BACKUP, CONVERT, or whatever thatH > will let me do this (including giving the output file a new filename)?	 >  Thanks   C    I miss the AME.  Manipulating files by FID is something PIP does 1    which never completely made it's way into DCL.   F    You can dump the file header by FID (dump/id=<fid>/header <device>)F    and get it's name and DID.  You can then find all such names on theE    device and determine which directory holds the correct file.  Then     you can copy by name.  B    Alternatively you can write your own copy program using RMS and4    supply the FID instead of the name for the $OPEN.        ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 09:58:38 -0700 . From: Jack.trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman)# Subject: Re: Copying a file via FID = Message-ID: <fc13c8a4.0206040858.37a17c88@posting.google.com>    More detail:  @ We have an application that uses Spooled LAT devices to send its< output to printers.  To be able to debug some of the reportsE generated, we need to capture these reports.  Unfortunately, VMS does C not assign a file name to these files, only the (required) FID, and ' the file name shows up in the print que 
 as "[].;".  D I can get the FID via F$GETQUI and I can look at the directory entryD using DFU. But I can't figure out (without writing a program) how to, copy the file within DCL using just its FID.  D Or maybe there's a way to temporarily direct the output from a print que to a file???   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:31:23 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> $ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?; Message-ID: <01KIJ4UH9TGY984WQP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>    > VMS is written in Bliss   : Parts of it.  Several languages are involved, including C.    > Also, VMS ignores IP packets,   D I hope not, since I access the internet alot from VMS machines.  :-)  A Of course, linux written in bliss would still be linux.  No file  - versions or other nice features like VMS has.   D I DON'T think that less sensitivity to buffer overflows is the main  strength of VMS.  H And, of course, BLISS is uncool, so the geeks with the stuffed pinguins 4 wouldn't write code in it, as a matter of principle.  H Also, read up on what Linus thinks about VMS.  I read an interview with C him which gave the impression that he has really no idea about VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 08:02:31 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)$ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206040702.62db9771@posting.google.com>   | Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message news:<01KIJ4UH9TGY984WQP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>... > > VMS is written in Bliss  > < > Parts of it.  Several languages are involved, including C. > " > > Also, VMS ignores IP packets,  > F > I hope not, since I access the internet alot from VMS machines.  :-)  F do you remember this posting in this group discussing why vms security< is superior to all others ... please refresh your memory ...    E Andrew, I tried to explain this to you once before.  I must have used C words that were too big since you've completely failed to grasp the G concept.  I'll try once more, and I'll go slowly so follow along now...   G OpenVMS is not now, nor has it ever been, vulnerable to any sort or any H type of IP exploit.  Why?  Because OpenVMS will completely ignore any IP2 packet it sees unless you add an IP product to it.  = There are multiple choices available when one wants to add IP G functionality to VMS and you seem to be working very hard at convincing H folks that one of those choices and VMS are the same thing.  'Tisn't so, though.   H 1).  TCPIP services for OpenVMS, the product that is a port of the Tru64E unix IP stack, is one of the choices for VMS.  However, and I realize:H this will come as a shock to you, while Unix and VMS perform many of theB same functions, the implementation of those functions is differentA between the two systems.  One major difference is the handling ofs@ dynamic allocation of kernel-based data structures.  Why is thisH significant?  Because I can take two Alpha systems that are identical inH hardware, load Tru64 on one and VMS with TCPIP services on the other andG hit them with several DoS attacks designed to cause resource starvationGD of the host.  Result:  The unix box crashes, the VMS box keeps going@ (although sometimes its performance degrades until the attack isH blocked).  This is with that exact piece of code that you keep trying toF claim must make VMS exploitable because it made Tru64 exploitable.  It doesn't.  I can prove it.n  B 2). Multinet.  My product of choice.  I've already told you that IG configured a VMS system with multinet and ran IP attacks against it andiF the system survived every one.  You chose not to believe me.  You evenF went so far as to claim I must not have known what I was doing or beenG fully aware of the network configuration when I ran the test.  Well, noaF one is denying your right to disbelieve me.  However, if you'd like toF visit sunny San Diego, I'll be happy to demonstrate why your disbelief
 is misplaced.   G 3). UCX.  No longer a product, it has been retired.  It was, however, adE good example of what a bad product can do to a good system.  If you'dHF like to claim that OpenVMS must not be as secure as is claimed becauseE of what could happen to a system that had UCX running on it, I've gotgC quite a few examples of applications that will prove the exact samemD thing about Solaris.  Or, perhaps, you are willing to concede that aH badly implemented product is not a reflection of the operating system it- runs on?  Good, then let's get past that one.   @ 4). TCPware - only IP stack based on the VMS kernel ... runs the? crispest and has the same features as multinet expect more of a  VMS configuration feel.a  G In short, Andrew, VMS lives up to its security reputation.  It has been-H well-earned over many years through many trials.  Now, since the design,H development, and implementation of VMS is done by mere mortals, mistakesF have been known to happen.  The difference, you see, is that with VMS,G once the mistake is discovered it is fixed - the same cannot be said of  Solaris.  G Aesop has a story to tell about people like you.  Go read the one about6G the fox trying to reach the grapes, it may help you realize the type ofl impression you give people.A  
 Mark Berrymanx Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com Chief Network Engineer   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 08:33:18 -07000" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)) Subject: Re: Creating ACEs from a programU= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0206040733.30a64205@posting.google.com>   d hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<adh60i$bqo$7@web1.cup.hp.com>...d > In article <d56d1c2d.0205310758.2c7db7ce@posting.google.com>, cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) writes:I > :Trying to create an ACE entry on a file from a program (and not pass a F > :DCL SET SEC command through LIB$SPAWN). Looking at the fine manualsF > :and I'm thinking some calls to $PARSE_ACL, $SET_SECURITY, and maybe > :$FORMAT_ACL are in order... >  7: > :Must admit I'm finding the fine manuals a bit obtuse...7 > :Anyone out there willing to share a simple example? 0 > . >   OpenVMS version, platform, and language?    E OpenVMS 7.1-1H2 (trying to move to 7.3). For "advanced stuff" (a term  I'll leave undefined) Compaq C.7    >   There's a Fortran example...  5 Yikes! It's like manna from heaven all of a sudden...0   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:26:52 +0100 (MET)09 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> 7 Subject: Data redundancy options for 3000 foot distance ; Message-ID: <01KIJ4LT2EHU984WQP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>C  J > Depending on the capabilities and bandwidth of the fiber communications,J > one option might be to cluster and use volume shadowing.  That leaves usJ > with a 'symmetrical' 2 node cluster without redundant quorum disk accessI > (since you can't shadow the quorum disk), so the 'backup' system has to G > be a 'slave' node with fewer votes in order to have a safe/survivable-C > cluster where the primary node can survive the loss of the backup" > site/server.    I If you are that concerned about keeping things running, why not set up a 1E third box (could be quite low-end, even an old VAXstation) at a thirda$ site?  No quorum-disk worries etc.    I I don't get the "no redundant quorum quorum disk access" bit.  The whole tF point of a quorum disk is that it is a poor man's way to a three-node H cluster.  While one might want to shadow the quorum disk to protect the F data on it, as you say a quorum disk can't be shadowed.  IF one could C shadow it, then shadowing it with a member on each node (redundant eF access) would make no sense, since the whole idea of a quorum disk is ) that both nodes have direct access to it.   I Also, with the master-slave configuration, you will lose quorum when the v primary site goes down.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:56:33 +0100 (MET) 9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> ( Subject: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER; Message-ID: <01KIJ7Q7RCOW96WE0C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   H I see that (OpenVMS V7.3) DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER only gives me F the message %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE when the actual value of the logical has G changed, i.e. if I issue the command again with the same value for the  G definition, I don't get the message.  In another table, however, I get 64 the message whether or not the value changes or not.  B Why the different behaviour for LNM$SYSCLUSTER?  Is it documented  somewhere?    B While I'm on the subject, why not DEFINE/CLUSTER as a synonym for D DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER in line with /PROCESS, /GROUP, /JOB and  /SYSTEM?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 06:46:03 -0600s- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)r, Subject: Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER3 Message-ID: <3HRyFkhknAW2@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  w In article <01KIJ7Q7RCOW96WE0C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:sJ > I see that (OpenVMS V7.3) DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER only gives me H > the message %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE when the actual value of the logical has I > changed, i.e. if I issue the command again with the same value for the eI > definition, I don't get the message.  In another table, however, I get u6 > the message whether or not the value changes or not. > D > Why the different behaviour for LNM$SYSCLUSTER?  Is it documented  > somewhere?    D The underlying implementation of clusterwide logical names is ratherF different from node-specific logical names.  It must look for existingD names created by another node (for instance, when both are booted at the same time).t  D > While I'm on the subject, why not DEFINE/CLUSTER as a synonym for F > DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER in line with /PROCESS, /GROUP, /JOB and 
 > /SYSTEM?  > I heard an explanation for that once, but I have forgotten it./ Perhaps to do with multiple clusterwide tables.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:03:01 -0700, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>, Subject: Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER5 Message-ID: <adirs7$11jv60$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>b   <snip>E > > While I'm on the subject, why not DEFINE/CLUSTER as a synonym for G > > DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER in line with /PROCESS, /GROUP, /JOB and  > > /SYSTEM? >s@ > I heard an explanation for that once, but I have forgotten it.1 > Perhaps to do with multiple clusterwide tables.,: You're right, from deja search on this subject: (12/30/99)  G "/SYSTEM, /GROUP, /PROCESS, and /JOB all refer to specific logical name- tables  (or specific table searchlists).  J There is not just one clusterwide table.  Clusterwide is an attribute that isH possible for any shared (i.e., not  process-private) logical name table. WhilesL OpenVMS creates 2 clusterwide tables at startup (and more, if you're runningH ICC), the system manager or someone with privilege can create additionalD clusterwide tables with whatever protection mask and ACLs they want.  A In other words, /CLUSTER seems pretty ambigous as a qualifier for B DEFINE or ASSIGN. We considered it as a qualifier for SHOW LOGICAL> but ran out of time, and also you can get the same effect with&         SHOW LOGI/DESC/TAB=LNM$CLUSTER   ruth goldenberg"  J Hard to argue with Ruth, but define/cluster could simply have defaulted to oneiI of the standard clusterwide tables.  Let's keep VMS simple to use for thep6 beginners and let them discover the intricacies later.   Jime   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 08:10:50 -0700h" From: ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) Subject: Re: DFO and ODS-5= Message-ID: <995e39b6.0206040710.6f4d15a0@posting.google.com>E  Q david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message news:<adg6fl$n4a$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...Md > In article <995e39b6.0206030722.61924602@posting.google.com>, ewilts@ewilts.org (Ed Wilts) writes:B > >It was my impression that DFO 2.6 would support ODS-5 volumes. G > >However, it won't let me add a new ODS-5 volume, nor will it process I > >an existing volume that was converted to ODS-5.  The error message is:l > >DFO>show nfs001/free/volume: > >%DFG-W-NOTODSDEV, NFS001 is not an ODS-2 mounted device > >fC > >Note that this isn't really a warning - it's a fatal error.  TheoB > >script doesn't even create the log file specified and the error$ > >appears in the DFG$node.LOG file. > >-H > >Is anyone aware of any plans of ODS-5 support for DFO?  I'm currently > >running V2.6. > >t > G > This should work. DFO has supported ODS-5 since at least version 2.5..  ( [and David shows proof that it works...]   Cicero> sh dev disk002/fui  P Disk DSA207:, device type MSCP served SCSI disk array, is online, mounted, file-O     oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled,v0     device supports bitmaps (no bitmaps active).  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed             247340wO     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM]oO     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W'O     Reference count              191    Default buffer size                 512,O     Total blocks            17764347    Sectors per track                   169aO     Total cylinders             1314    Tracks per cylinder                  80e  O     Volume label           "DISK002"    Relative volume number                0 O     Cluster size                   2    Transaction count                   149gO     Free blocks             14289342    Maximum files allowed            500000.O     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           6rO     Mount status              System    Cache name           "_DSA255:XQPCACHE" O     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache  1428934oO     File ID cache size            64    Blocks in extent cache            11122nO     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache       6582(O     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot    S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCDa  J   Volume Status:  ODS-5, subject to mount verification, write-back caching       enabled.@   Volume is also mounted on TYBALT, HECTOR, ROMEO, OBERON, TOBY.  N Disk $2$DUA322:, device type MSCP served SCSI disk array, is online, member ofK     shadow set DSA207:, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging ism     enabled.  O     Error count                    0    Shadow member operation count    192418AO     Current preferred CPU Id       1    Fastpath                              1rO     Host name               "HSJA04"    Host type, avail              HSJ5, yesaO     Alternate host name     "HSJA05"    Alt. type, avail              HSJ5, yeso$     Allocation class               2  N Disk $2$DUA422:, device type MSCP served SCSI disk array, is online, member of1     shadow set DSA207:, error logging is enabled.6  O     Error count                    0    Shadow member operation count       134tO     Host name                "ROMEO"    Host type, avail AlphaServer 4100 5/533i 4MB, yesP     Alternate host name     "HECTOR"    Alt. type, avail AlphaServer DS20 500 MH z, yes$     Allocation class               2  $ Cicero> defrag show disk002/free/vol( Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS DFG V2.6B Copyright  Compaq Computer Corp. 1991,2001.   All rights reserved8 %DFG-W-NOTODSDEV, DISK002 is not an ODS-2 mounted device  C So what's the catch here?  Why does it work for you and not for me?n  	    .../Edh mailto:ewilts@ewilts.org   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:53:10 +05305 From: "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> . Subject: difference between logical and symbol/ Message-ID: <ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com>2   Hi  = I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.cJ Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbol   Thanks in advance for any help Sandeepv   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:19:16 GMTn From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG 2 Subject: Re: difference between logical and symbol0 Message-ID: <00A0EF20.9908205E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes:. >Hi  > > >I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.K >Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbole  ? Logicals are a VMS construct; symbols are a DCL-only construct.e  F Thus, logicals are generally accepted and translated throughout VMS byF VMS utilities and system service, etc.  DCL symbols, OTOH, can only beG translated in a DCL environment (eg. at the command prompt, inside of adF command procedure, and in rare cases by images that request a value of6 a symbol -- not the best way to pass data to an image.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo             5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" f   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 09:33:33 -0400* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>2 Subject: RE: difference between logical and symbol- Message-ID: <0033000066666118000002L082*@MHS>r  < =0ACheck this thread for a good discussion of la difference.) It's from 1993 but it's still applicable.n  H http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3D15JUN199317061562%40erich.triumf= ca&output=3D gplain   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET $ Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 6:15 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET. Subject: difference between logical and symbol     Hi  = I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.eH Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and sym= bol    Thanks in advance for any help Sandeep=   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:20:51 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)e2 Subject: Re: difference between logical and symbol. Message-ID: <adilsj$qbb$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes in article <ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com> dated Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:53:10 +0530:e >Hi  >o> >I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.K >Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbol  >p >Thanks in advance for any help  >Sandeep >b >t  ) From the FAQ I maintain for my own users:    What is a symbol?   F Symbols are designed to be used in expressions.  They also function asC command aliases.  They can be created via the DCL symbol assignment M statements (=, :=, ==, and :==), and deleted with the DELETE/SYMBOL command.  B They can be strings or integers.  Type HELP SYMBOL_ASSIGN for more! information on assigning symbols.   A If the verb (first word) of a DCL command line is a symbol, it isnE substituted before the command is processed.  Symbols anywhere in the L command line are pre-substituted if they are surrounded by single quotes (')C or prefixed by ampersands (&).  Symbols in symbolic expressions are % automatically evaluated, of course.  s  E Symbols fall into two domains -- global and local.  Local symbols arefI commonly used as local variables in command procedures.  They are deletedeL when the procedure terminates.  Global symbols are useful as command aliasesI or global command procedure variables.  The number of equals signs (=) in L the assignment statement determines whether a symbol is created at the local. or global level.  Local is one; global is two.       What is a logical name?p  J Logical names are intended to be used as file or directory pointers.  TheyJ can be created with the DCL command DEFINE and deleted with DEASSIGN.  TheI can be viewed using SHOW LOGICAL. Logical names will be translated by VMSeJ any time a file specification is given.  For example, the command sequence       $ DEFINE KL USER:[LEWIS]     $ DIRECTORY KL  @ will give a listing of the files in the directory  USER:[LEWIS].  C You can use a logical name in a DCL symbolic expression through thea F$TRNLNM() lexical function.    K Logical names are organized into elaborate heirarchies of tables and modes.tI There are system, group, job, and process logical name tables and kernel,rJ executive, supervisor, and user modes.  Tables and modes are both searched% bottom-up when a translation is done.o  < Symbols and logicals can both be accessed via the C function getenv.u  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgC> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 08:25:29 -0700y. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)2 Subject: Re: difference between logical and symbol= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0206040725.31dea3f4@posting.google.com>C  l "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> wrote in message news:<ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com>... > Hi > ? > I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL. L > Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbol >   > Thanks in advance for any help	 > Sandeepa     Welcome to VMS!!!S  C Symbols are variables in DCL and logical names are synonyms in "thefD system". (DCL is the command language you use to interact with VMS.)  F Symbols are strictly session-specific while logical names can be that,@ or they can apply to a group of users, or be system-wide or even
 cluster-wide.r  F Logical names are automatically translated when used in the context ofB a file-spec (or the device part thereof), device name, queue name,F mail address, and perhaps others I can't think of offhand. Many thingsE in VMS that have names can have a logical names defined for them. Ther@ main exceptions that I can think of are process names, PIDs, job names, and queue entry numbers.s  F So, when you want to use a different name to refer to something, use a
 logical name.<  C Logical names can be used to make your programs device-independent.mD Write your program to refer to logical names. Then you can re-defineD those logical names on the fly and rerun your program without having
 to change it.m  E Logical names come in different logical name tables (which themselvesm? live in logical name table directories), with various differentdD attributes (concealed, terminal, confine, no_alias), different modesF (user, supervisor, executive, kernel), and more. But as a new user youB can use logical names without worrying about all that too much and> learn more about it gradually as you gain experience with VMS.  D You can use symbols as command synonyms. For example, you can define= DIR to be DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROTECTION with the command1  - $ DIR :== DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROTECTION H  D The first word in a command is checked for being a symbol. If it is,F it is translated. You can also use symbols as variables in DCL command procedures.e   $ x = 2 + 4c $ greeting = "hello"  E assigns the value 6 to x and the value "hello" to the variable callede	 greeting.d< There are also substituion operators, the apostrophe and theD ampersand, that are used to force symbol substitution where it would@ not otherwise occur. These operators only work in a DCL command.  C Symbols can be local or global. Local symbols are valid only at the D command level in which they are defined. Global symbols are valid atC all command levels. You go down one command level when you invoke apC command procedure. See the User's manual for more information about  this aspect of symbols.d  A Symbols are substituted only within a DCL command (though you cankC *ask* for their translations in a program via system service calls,oC and also the DCL command SHOW SYMBOL, but that is *not* the same aswD substitution wherein the symbol name is replaced by the value in theF DCL command itself.) A logical name is "substituted" by the "operatingF system" when the program being run (which could well be a DCL command)0 uses the logical name in an appropriate context.  D So you can think of symbols as variables in DCL and logical names asC "parameter-synonyms" for programs, said programs including internal-1 DCL commands and external programs called by DCL.:  ? You can also think of symbols as being translated before by DCLoE *before* DCL runs a program (internal or otherwise) and logical namesJB as being translated (by the operating system or program) while the program is running.L   Example:  & $ DEFINE LOGIN_COM SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM* $ DIR:==DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROTECTION $ DIR LOGIN_COM   I Directory DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN]  a> LOGIN.COM;75               1/4        28-MAY-2002 13:29:21.00  (RWED,RWED,RE,RE),> LOGIN.COM;74               1/4        28-AUG-2001 12:34:33.43  (RWED,RWED,RE,RE) > LOGIN.COM;73               1/4        11-MAY-2001 16:47:50.40  (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)s> LOGIN.COM;72               1/4        24-APR-2001 19:43:40.17  (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)n  i Total of 4 files, 4/16 blocks. $SA $ !!! Example of using a logical name as a symbol and vice versa:  $02 $ DEFINE DIR2 "DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROTECTION"$ $ LOGIN_COM2 :== SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM $ DIR2 LOGIN_COM2 F %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling  \DIR2\. $ DIR LOGIN_COM2! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files foundd $s  F DIR2 is not translated because it should be a symbol for this to work.B The same, but opposite, goes for LOGIN_COM2 which is a symbol, but9 symbols are not translated in the context of a file-spec.e  A Please check the User's Manual about symbols and logical names. I'? think there is even a section therein that expalins some of thes differences.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman " afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:52:54 +0100 (MET)f9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>p2 Subject: Re: difference between logical and symbol; Message-ID: <01KIJK9XDGZC96WE0C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  H > Logical names are intended to be used as file or directory pointers.    G I think that this is confusing, for two reasons.  First, logical names RE can be used for many, many other purposes---and are, both within VMS  G itself and within user-written applications.  Also, pointers for files  G or directories is one of the areas where BOTH symbols AND logicals can rC be used.  Doing arithmetic is difficult with logicals, and sharing AI information between processes is difficult with symbols.  Thus, they are  C mainly used for different things---but as placeholders, aliases or yF whatever for file names or directory names is one area where there is 
 some overlap.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 06:51:38 -0600r- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e= Subject: Re: difference between logical names and DCL symbols 3 Message-ID: <KD69uigl8tr+@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  P In article <00A0EF20.9908205E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes:i > In article <ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes:t >>Hi >>? >>I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.dL >>Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbol > A > Logicals are a VMS construct; symbols are a DCL-only construct.h > H > Thus, logicals are generally accepted and translated throughout VMS byH > VMS utilities and system service, etc.  DCL symbols, OTOH, can only beI > translated in a DCL environment (eg. at the command prompt, inside of a H > command procedure, and in rare cases by images that request a value of8 > a symbol -- not the best way to pass data to an image.  B Specifically, logical names are strongly honored by RMS, so if youB write a program it is easy to have it honor logical names for file access.c  B DCL symbols are always per-process, even if defined by your system? manager for each time you log in.  They are scoped according to:- nested invocations of DCL command procedures.4  F Logical names can be per-process, per-job, per-UIC group, system-wide,D cluster-wide or on an arbitrary boundary chosen by you, via your ownH logical name tables.   Logical names are often scoped according to thoseF first 5 divisions, and are also scoped according to the CPU mode. BestF of all, if you don't understand this paragraph you often don't need to worry about it :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:28:02 -040005 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>D= Subject: Re: difference between logical names and DCL symbolsi2 Message-ID: <UrH8PBDzozEEzUgppK=zbzEVeldX@4ax.com>  E On 4 Jun 2002 06:51:38 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e wrote:  Q >In article <00A0EF20.9908205E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes: j >> In article <ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com>, "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> writes: >>>Hio >>>o@ >>>I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.M >>>Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbolt >> vB >> Logicals are a VMS construct; symbols are a DCL-only construct. >> iI >> Thus, logicals are generally accepted and translated throughout VMS by I >> VMS utilities and system service, etc.  DCL symbols, OTOH, can only be J >> translated in a DCL environment (eg. at the command prompt, inside of aI >> command procedure, and in rare cases by images that request a value of 9 >> a symbol -- not the best way to pass data to an image.  >1C >Specifically, logical names are strongly honored by RMS, so if you C >write a program it is easy to have it honor logical names for filel >access. > C >DCL symbols are always per-process, even if defined by your systemm@ >manager for each time you log in.  They are scoped according to. >nested invocations of DCL command procedures. >eG >Logical names can be per-process, per-job, per-UIC group, system-wide, E >cluster-wide or on an arbitrary boundary chosen by you, via your own I >logical name tables.   Logical names are often scoped according to thoseAG >first 5 divisions, and are also scoped according to the CPU mode. Best G >of all, if you don't understand this paragraph you often don't need to  >worry about it :-)   D     Actually, that's not quite 100% accurate.  While conceptually itA works exactly as you have described, in the actual implementationtA the cluster logical name table is included in translation for thet9 system path.  I imagine this could prevent some issues on ? mixed version clusters.  As follows on a V7.2-2 system (same on  V7.3):  1 $ sh log lnm$file_dev /table=lnm$system_directorys8    "LNM$FILE_DEV" = "LNM$PROCESS" (LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY)         = "LNM$JOB"e         = "LNM$GROUP"n         = "LNM$SYSTEM"         = "DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES"; 1  "LNM$SYSTEM" = "LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE" (LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY)          = "LNM$SYSCLUSTER"C 2  "LNM$SYSCLUSTER" = "LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE" (LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY)o; 1  "DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES" [table] = "" (LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY)m   David R. Beattyl   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:51:50 +0100 (MET)i9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>oM Subject: Endianness (was: Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft)o; Message-ID: <01KIJBUFHB8Y984WQP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   G > I'm guessing, because I don't know the endieness of most hardware ande2 > supporting OSes but is most of the world little?  + Most machines?  Most vendors?  Most models?2   With regard to "workstations":  7 IIRC, BIG: SGI, SUN, HP, IBM; little: DEC (VAX, ALPHA).l  I Intel is also traditionally little.  ALPHA can be run in both modes; DEC  C used little, Cray (who USED TO HAVE a nice chunk of the scientific  % technical computing market) used big.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:23:00 -0400e- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>-2 Subject: Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!0 Message-ID: <3CFCE964.6283405A@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Dirk Munk wrote:P > This is a 80 GB Western Digital WD 800JB IDE disk connected to the SCSI bus ofR > my PWS. I used a Acard AEC-7720UW SCSI-IDE bridge to connect it. It works great,> > and in total this is a lot cheaper then a 80 GB SCSI disk !!  J Very interesting.  What happens if you plug it into the PWS IDE controller' directly, without the Acard in between?y    - JBS   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 02 18:22:06 +0200e) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)R6 Subject: Re: Intel to start to advertise even more :-() Message-ID: <E7QMZZPptKO5@elias.decus.ch>m  T In article <3CFA907C.2AE7ADEA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> writes:P > In light of discussions on why HP should mention VMS in mainstream advertsing,) > I found the following most interesting:- > P > The URL was too long on so I am pasting the article whole here. (Yahoo: if youP > want extra eyeball's for your advertising, make oit easy for folks to refer to > your pages). >  > + > Intel Kicks Off Biggest-Ever Ad Campaign   >  Sun Jun 2, 3:32 PM ET a > I > SANTA CLARA, Calif. (Reuters) - Seeking to bolster its brand with largesN > corporations and the  people who run them, Intel Corp. , the world's largestM > chipmaker that is best known for its  Pentium line of microprocessors, willa< > this week kick off its largest-ever advertising campaign.  > C >   The Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker, which invented the P > microprocessor -- most widely  known as the brains of personal computers -- isP > seeking to build on its brand awareness with  consumers and extend it to large > businesses.  > P >  Starting on Tuesday, ads will appear in print and online in such publicationsO > as BusinessWeek,  CIO Magazine, Fortune and The Wall Street Journal, an IntelrP > spokesman said. The campaign is  slated to last as long as three years, a goodH > amount of time for an advertising push, and will run into "the tens of > millions of dollars."  > I >  The ads will pose questions such as, "'Can a company that doesn't makeaL > computers change the course of computing history?' and 'Can a  microscopicM > piece of technology solve enterprise-sized problems? The answer is 'Yes."' - > O >  Intel's brand is already among the most recognized in the world, at No. 6 inoM > 2001 with a brand value of $34.7 billion, according to New York consultancygP > Interbrand Corp. The most valuable brand last year was Coca-Cola , followed byK > Microsoft , International Business Machines ,  General Electric and NokiaJ > (news - web sites) .   > J >  Intel already has a strong presence in the server-computer market, and,O > according to researcher IDC, servers using Intel processors  accounted for 89k, > percent of all servers shipped last year.  > N >  Servers based on Intel chips are typically low- to middle-end, ranging fromH > approximately $2,000 up to approximately $15,000. But Intel,  with itsL > high-end Itanium 2 chip set to ship to computer makers soon, is seeking toJ > move higher up the server food chain, where profit  margins are fatter.  >   M That last paragraph confirms my own view that Intel _do_ want to get into the  high end server market.o   Now here's a wicked thought...  K What if a 64 bit Windows on AMD really proves popular causing Intel pain? A N very obvious pro-Itanium counter attack would be to publicise it as a multi-OSI platform. And list each OS, including VMS, HP-UX etc in their promotions.i  L As stated above, at #6 for brand awareness, folks would listen to what IntelM say, and Intel of all people are in the unique position of being able to pushs- VMS as a means of shifting their own product.a  L They could make VMS a household name overnight by saying that they use it onH their own production lines, and generate an awful lot of interest in the Itanium whilst they are at it.  G That would be a true marketing coup, and could be extremely convincing.h  M And they would get a return on their investment in the VMS to Itanium portingo effort.r   :-)y   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:49:07 -0400* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>6 Subject: RE: Intel to start to advertise even more :-(- Message-ID: <0033000066702012000002L022*@MHS>[  @ =0AAnd, if my memory from reading old posts about what's running their fabs is correct,  : the irony of the highest magnitude would be that the chips2 in the VMS machines running their fabs would be...  8 VAX chips manufactured by none other than d|i|g|i|t|a|l.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET % Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:21 PM B To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET6 Subject: RE: Intel to start to advertise even more :-(    H In article <3CFA907C.2AE7ADEA@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotro= n.ca>aH writes: > In light of discussions on why HP should mention VMS in mains= tream-5 advertsing, > I found the following most interesting:0 >YH > The URL was too long on so I am pasting the article whole here. (Yaho=	 o: if yougH > want extra eyeball's for your advertising, make oit easy for folks to=	  refer toe > your pages). >m >r* > Intel Kicks Off Biggest-Ever Ad Campaign >  Sun Jun 2, 3:32 PM ET > H > SANTA CLARA, Calif. (Reuters) - Seeking to bolster its brand with lar= geH > corporations and the  people who run them, Intel Corp. , the world's = largestcH > chipmaker that is best known for its  Pentium line of microprocessors= , will; > this week kick off its largest-ever advertising campaign.e >mC >   The Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker, which invented thesH > microprocessor -- most widely  known as the brains of personal comput=	 ers -- isrH > seeking to build on its brand awareness with  consumers and extend it=	  to largel
 > businesses.i >hH >  Starting on Tuesday, ads will appear in print and online in such pub=	 licationslH > as BusinessWeek,  CIO Magazine, Fortune and The Wall Street Journal, = an IntelH > spokesman said. The campaign is  slated to last as long as three year=	 s, a goodiH > amount of time for an advertising push, and will run into "the tens o= fh > millions of dollars."e >tH >  The ads will pose questions such as, "'Can a company that doesn't ma= keH > computers change the course of computing history?' and 'Can a  micros= copiccH > piece of technology solve enterprise-sized problems? The answer is 'Y= es."'r >aH >  Intel's brand is already among the most recognized in the world, at = No. 6 inH > 2001 with a brand value of $34.7 billion, according to New York consu= ltancyH > Interbrand Corp. The most valuable brand last year was Coca-Cola , fo=	 llowed bysH > Microsoft , International Business Machines ,  General Electric and N= okia > (news - web sites) . >tH >  Intel already has a strong presence in the server-computer market, a= nd,tH > according to researcher IDC, servers using Intel processors  accounte= d for 89+ > percent of all servers shipped last year.  > H >  Servers based on Intel chips are typically low- to middle-end, rangi= ng fromoH > approximately $2,000 up to approximately $15,000. But Intel,  with it= soH > high-end Itanium 2 chip set to ship to computer makers soon, is seeki= ng togH > move higher up the server food chain, where profit  margins are fatte= r. >e  H That last paragraph confirms my own view that Intel _do_ want to get in= to the high end server market.c   Now here's a wicked thought...  H What if a 64 bit Windows on AMD really proves popular causing Intel pai= n? AH very obvious pro-Itanium counter attack would be to publicise it as a m= ulti-OStH platform. And list each OS, including VMS, HP-UX etc in their promotion= s.  H As stated above, at #6 for brand awareness, folks would listen to what = IntelmH say, and Intel of all people are in the unique position of being able t= o push- VMS as a means of shifting their own product.   H They could make VMS a household name overnight by saying that they use = it ondH their own production lines, and generate an awful lot of interest in th= e  Itanium whilst they are at it.  H That would be a true marketing coup, and could be extremely convincing.=    H And they would get a return on their investment in the VMS to Itanium p= orting effort.    :-)p   __
 Paul Sture Switzerland=   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 07:34:45 -0600r- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)g; Subject: Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft:3 Message-ID: <fmUXjl6Hdn0G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   F In article <3CFBFB09.5D0425F6@127.0.0.1>, nic <junk@127.0.0.1> writes: > G > I'm guessing, because I don't know the endieness of most hardware andt2 > supporting OSes but is most of the world little?  C    Today the greate majority of CPU designs are bi-endian.  Overall C    a rough estimate is that more architectures are big-endian than 5    little-endian.   A    But so many computers are Intel PCs that it's quite clear more /    computers are little-endian than big-endian.E   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 05:47:18 -07004( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of MicrosoftD= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206040447.5cc02127@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3CFBF8C2.D0386253@videotron.ca>...E6 > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-931027.html?tag=fd_top > O > Essentially, German government has negotiated a deal with IBM to make it easyIO > and cheap to buy IBM hardware loaded with SuSe Linux on it, and will now makenE > it easy for its own agencies/department to buy non-Microsoft stuff.p > M > One of the arguments used for this move was that it was less crippling if ahP > healthy portion of your machines are non-Microsoft when a virus attack reaches  > your microsoft infrastructure. >   E and what about when linux viruses reach your linux box ... unless youMB want to run linux closed, VMS remains the only secure web platformD out there ... open source is unsecure to run on the web ... go checkA the cert advs and even the comp.os.linux.security board ... it isc pretty bad ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:10:39 -0500h6 From: Gunther Schadow <gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org>/ Subject: Need help with HSC90 K.ci error statust5 Message-ID: <3CFCD86F.6020600@aurora.regenstrief.org>m  @ Hi, I've got an HSC90 in custody along with a couple of VAX6000s> and my HSC90 seems to have a problem with the CI. On the front< panel it indicates error number 9 (off on off off on) which,A according to the manual means K.CI FAILURE [soft/nonfatal error].c On the terminal it says:  = SINI-E  Seq 1. at 17-Nov-1858 00:00:02.20, Out-of-band 000302 <          Host interface (K.ci) failed INIT DIT, status = 111  A Unfortunately the user manual says nothing about the K.ci (thoughi@ it does say a lot about K.scsi, which I don't have.) Does anyone@ here have an HSC maintenace manual that might explain the status> 111? I know from the VAX's CIBCA that it can get very upset ifA the lines aren't properly terminated. Now, I have all 4 connectedmB to the star coupler as it should be. The connections are tight and> I think the cable is good -- but you never know. I'd just hope> the deciphering of the status code would indicate which of the0 three K.ci boards I should be replacing, if any.   thanks,t -Gunther     -- DH Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D.                    gschadow@regenstrief.orgH Medical Information Scientist      Regenstrief Institute for Health CareH Adjunct Assistant Professor        Indiana University School of MedicineH tel:1(317)630-7960                         http://aurora.regenstrief.org   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:39:51 -05003 From: "Barry Skidmore" <bjskidmore@sheltie-net.com>b# Subject: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2 3 Message-ID: <tu2L8.1448$L4.359240@news1.iquest.net>   G I am looking for a newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2, and would be grateful if  someone would point me to one.   Thanks,a Barry    ------------------------------   Date: 04 Jun 2002 13:21:28 GMT9 From: forMsytAhm@optusShom.com.aKu (Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth)e' Subject: Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2t8 Message-ID: <slrnafpfmn.1hs.forMsytAhm@plague.bogus.com>  I In article <tu2L8.1448$L4.359240@news1.iquest.net>, Barry Skidmore wrote:rH >I am looking for a newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2, and would be grateful if >someone would point me to one.o  G Mostly out of convenience I use Outlook Express. A triumph of marketinge$ over common sense if ever there was.  . My favourite is slrn, works like a charm...:-)   Ooroo 	 MArk F...-  -   >- >Thanks, >Barry >, >    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) ' Subject: Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2E. Message-ID: <adimf8$qbb$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Barry Skidmore" <bjskidmore@sheltie-net.com> writes in article <tu2L8.1448$L4.359240@news1.iquest.net> dated Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:39:51 -0500: H >I am looking for a newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2, and would be grateful if >someone would point me to one.:  L I wrote my own in TPU, called TNR (TPU News Reader).  It's pretty basic; theF main advantage is that everything's in the EVE editor already.  UnlessI you're an EVE addict, you probably want to go for something more advanceds and better tested.  K I will send you a copy if you drop me a line.  Replace the $ below with a @i to get my real e-mail address.  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.org > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:50:06 GMT 3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)a' Subject: Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2e/ Message-ID: <2I2L8.20$xB2.55@news-srv1.fmr.com>o  	 Hi Barry,s  2 I use NEWSRDR, found on the Freeware V4 CD, or at:  : http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/freeware40/newsrdr/  i In article <tu2L8.1448$L4.359240@news1.iquest.net>, "Barry Skidmore" <bjskidmore@sheltie-net.com> writes:aH >I am looking for a newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2, and would be grateful if >someone would point me to one.  >o >Thanks, >Barry >r >h   Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"d "Lose the MAPS",   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 11:48:25 -0600r- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i' Subject: Re: Newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2 3 Message-ID: <jS54wTvBPyx+@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  i In article <tu2L8.1448$L4.359240@news1.iquest.net>, "Barry Skidmore" <bjskidmore@sheltie-net.com> writes:sI > I am looking for a newsreader for OpenVMS 7.2, and would be grateful if.  > someone would point me to one.  A    The FAQ will point you to these, and much other free software.   >    Amoungst those you might consider:  Mozilla, ANU, and dxrn.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 06:32:16 -0600E- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)Y Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP3 Message-ID: <QlAitYDvgPf0@eisner.encompasserve.org>A  Z In article <3CFC370D.89D2C72@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > Hoff Hoffman wrote:-   >> or Reseller.- > F > Went out of business last year - can't sell VMS around here anymore.6 > Even VACS is auctioning off their DEC stuff on eBay.  C These people must have listened too much to someone telling them to-$ set their prices more affordable :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:38:26 GMTo# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u Subject: Re: Open Letter to HPI Message-ID: <Ch4L8.184001$ah_.63179@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>o  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message $ news:adh4qr$bqo$6@web1.cup.hp.com... >A? > In article <9059bf6b.0205310725.73d173d4@posting.google.com>,H/ jodonnell@hrblock.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes:o >t > D > :In order for me to support and promote continued investment in HP1 > :OpenVMS products, I need to see the following:s >sE >   You will see little or none of this *here*.  This is a newsgroup.eG >   Please contact your Ambassador or HP OpenVMS Sales Rep or Reseller.s    H Okay...so you are an ISV application developer and you have a product toH sell. Not only do you have to compete against all the other apps in yourH marketspace but you have to do all HP's legwork in promoting VMS to yourL potential customer, deal with all the fallout that the customer dumps on youG about the Alpha cancellation, deal with all the doubt that exists as to-J whether Itanic will perform, and deal with customer concerns as to whetherJ they will be able to draw on a VMS talent pool to run their systems should they choose your app..  0 sucker: noun - d. - what HP calls an ISV partner        F > :1. A press release from the CEO and other senior corporate officersH > :highlighting the strengths of OpenVMS and stating that HP will investI > :in marketing and development of OpenVMS as one of its premier productsl > :for the foreseeable future. >t >   Available.  ) How about a url to an *unedited version*?s    = > :2. Major network television commercials promoting OpenVMS.r >  >   Not gonna happen.2  J How is HP going to raise general VMS awareness otherwise? How will HP makeG the buying corporations, large and small, aware that a better mousetrap.J exists? In the absence of this, VMS continues to be marginalized and everyK customer that leave VMS does not get replace, nevermind growing the market. I But corporations who have millions invested in VMS, or those that *might*n invest missions in VMS do care.t  K I understand all too well the 'don't rock the boat' politics that occurs in I companies after mergers, and in companies where a division may be at risk K due to ignorance at the top. I guess you must be close enough to retirementc> that it won't affect you financially if VMS continues down the marginalization path.r   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:44:13 +0100 (MET)d9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t) Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAQ due next week... ; Message-ID: <01KIJBL0W0BM984WQP@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  D >  To various questions which arose in this thread, in no particular >  order...   G Perhaps the FAQ could go onto the VMS documentation CD as well?  There sG ARE folks interested in getting going with VMS who might want to avoid tB relying on another system for IP access etc.  Also, cut-and-paste E between DECterms is nice, which would be possible if the FAQ could beeB addressed locally on a system so that it is available for internet access is. s   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 06:18:07 -0700 . From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAQ due next week...o= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0206040518.469004bc@posting.google.com>8  d hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<ad40k7$6bt$3@web1.cup.hp.com>...F > I'm putting the finishing work on a massive overhaul to the OpenVMS F >   FAQ, and as a result of this work can now directly generate text, ! >   Postscript, and HTML formats.o > F >   The downside of all this work is that the new FAQ is substantiallyH >   larger than previous editions, requiring 1415 blocks versus 887 for H >   one of the most recent older versions.  The format has also changed. > G >   One content question: any last-minute updates for the next edition? C >   (I expect to be passing the new FAQ files along to the OpenVMS   >   webmaster early next week)    C Yes. Please update the section about the "monthly" "What is VMSnet",F posting. I never saw such a posting in years of reading c.o.v. FinallyB I found it yesterday with a Google search and the article was from$ 1994! That's a pretty long month(!).  D It seems there is not much traffic there and I've never been able toD get vmsnet.*... at all before Google started running Usenet service.   > F >   One distribution question: do y'all want to see the eight articlesG >   that it will take to post the new FAQ -- this due to a two-hundred tH >   block limit in the local news server -- or will a notification here E >   of its availability, and where you can access the new FAQ and/or  G >   download it suffice?  (Or are there other distribution alternativesu9 >   that might be prefered?  Ok, that's two questions...)e    C If a text version is posted on the Web site, then I'm happy with ano just announcement on c.o.v.u     Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman," afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:46:12 GMTb2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com># Subject: Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.6.4a1 Message-ID: <oE2L8.9$RK7.354415@news.cpqcorp.net>   J Oracle Rdb engineering is proud to annouce that Oracle Rdb Release 7.0.6.4C is now ready for widespread distribution.  The Rdb 7.0.6.4 kits arer available on MetaLink.  4 Software Errors Fixed in Oracle Rdb7 Release 7.0.6.4  4 ----------------------------------------------------  2 Software Errors Fixed That Apply to All Interfaces  A - Bugchecks Truncating Table in Mixed-Format Area With Row Caches   ; - Page Locks Not Always Demoted When Blocking AST Delivered   ) - LRS Looping When Global Buffers Enabledr  9 - Unresolved 2PC Transactions Rolled Back by RMU /RECOVER   $ - Bugchecks at PSII2SCANSTARTBBCSCAN  2 - Cursor on Ranked Index Returned too Many Records  / - Bugcheck at RDMS$$ALPHA$CONVERT_SORT+00000778t  # - Privileged User Bugcheck (ACCVIO)o  = - RDMS$CREATE_LAREA_NOLOGGING Partly Ignored for Objects withg  
 Row Caches  ' - Exception in RDMS$$KOD_ISCAN_GET_NEXTe  E - Records Incorrectly Applied to a Key Entry with Sorted Ranked Indext  : - Query With OR and Repeated AND Predicates Looped Forever  = - Query With Same Column in Two Clauses Returns Wrong Resultso  B - GROUP BY Query Followed by CASE With EXISTS Clause Returns Wrong   Results   = - Query With Join Predicates on Leading Segments and Equalitys   Filters Returns Wrong Resultsd  ? - Query With Transitive Join Predicates and Non-equality Filters  	 BugchecksI  @ - Query With OR Predicates Including Two Similar IS NULL Clauses   Returns Wrong Resultsi  8 - UNION Query With Constant Column Returns Wrong Results  E - Query With CAST Function Using Ranked Index Signals Exception Error   9 - Incorrect Handling of Range List Retrieval in Optimizerc  / - Bugchecks at DIOCCH$FETCH_SNAP_SEG + 00000594t   - IVP Tests of DECC and VAXC  : - Left OJ Query Using Hash Retrieval Returns Wrong Results  . - Getting Null Values Instead of Actual Values   SQL Errors Fixed  5 - ALTER DOMAIN...DROP DEFAULT Reports DEFVALUNS Errorw  8 - Exception in Nested Routines Did Not Close Index Scans  4 - DDL Statements Generated Unexpected Runtime Errors  1 - INSERT Cursor on a Derived Table Would Bugchecka  , - SQL Query Bugchecks at SQL$$GET_QUEUE_WALK  , - SQL Query Bugchecks at SQL$$GET_QUEUE_WALK  , - Privileges Not Honored For SET TRANSACTION  = - Multistatement Procedures Used with Connections Resulted in   $ %RDB-E-OBSOLETE_METADA Error Message  4 - Incorrect Handling of FOR Loop Select List Columns  9 - Unexpected Error on FOR Loop With Dialect ORACLE LEVEL1   ; - Unexpected Truncation of Data Assigned in Precompiled SQLr   Oracle RMU Errors Fixedo  = - RMU /VERIFY /ROOT Incorrectly Reports RMU-E-BADAIJPN and/orc   RMU-E-AIJNOTFNDc  < - RMU /VERIFY Index Warnings Eliminated on Small Cardinality  @ - RMU /VERIFY /CONSTRAINT Now Uses Warning for CONSTFAIL Message  @ - RMU Incremental Backup and Restore Could Cause Truncated Table   Rows to Reappear  ) - Deleted Rows Reappear After RMU /REPAIR   B - RMU /COLLECT OPTIMIZER_STATISTICS Fails When Temporary Tables in   Database  4 - RMU /BACKUP /LOADER_SYNCH and Usage of Tape Labels  = - RMU /BACKUP to Tape can Hang on a Quit Response to a Prompt   ? - RMU /BACKUP to Tape can Hang When Terminating on Fatal Errorsr  2 - /LOG Qualifier Default for RMU /SET LOGMINER and   RMU /SET ROW_CACHE  7 - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Exception in AIJEXT$FINISHh  1 - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Wildcard Table Namesh  ? - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL AIJ Backup and Restart Informatione  . - Unexpected COSI-F-TRU Error from RMU Extract    RMU Show Statistics Errors Fixed  @ - RMU /SHOW STATISTICS Triggers Invoked From User Defined Events  ) at Times Other Than the Refresh Intervals   @ - RMU /SHOW STATISTICS Row Cache Information May Not Display the  ! Information of the Cache Selected_  A - Inconsistency in the Hot Standby Statistics Screen of RMU /SHOW   
 STATISTICS      4 Enhancements Provided in Oracle Rdb7 Release 7.0.6.4  4 ----------------------------------------------------  1 - New SET PAGE LENGTH Command for Interactive SQLe  1 - RMU /UNLOAD /AFTER_JOURNAL Wildcard Table Namesi  % - New Options for SET FLAGS Statements   - Enhancements to RMU Extractd  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 05:02:55 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c' Subject: Quick shareable image questionl, Message-ID: <3CFC823C.F9010CC6@videotron.ca>  6 I I create a shareable image from a C module by using     LINK/SHARE  xxxxx, sys$input/opt GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,10- UNIVERSAL=routine1 UNIVERSAL=routine2  N Does the above create a transfer vector that is independant of the contents ofK the routines ? I have found that I end up having to relink because the maineG image crashes when it calls the routine if I do not relink after having3+ added/modified code in the shareable image.n  M If I increase the minor version number, will the image activator realise thattF the main image was linked against an older version and recalculate the transfer vector ?t  J If one has to constantly change the version number in the link command, isH there a trick short of having to create a temporary file and writing the3 options to it with a different version every-time ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:21:47 +0200o: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image questionM, Message-ID: <3CFC86AB.4030609@volkswagen.de>   JF Mezei wrote:o8 > I I create a shareable image from a C module by using  > " > LINK/SHARE  xxxxx, sys$input/opt > GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,10t > UNIVERSAL=routine1 > UNIVERSAL=routine2 > P > Does the above create a transfer vector that is independant of the contents ofM > the routines ? I have found that I end up having to relink because the mainsI > image crashes when it calls the routine if I do not relink after havingg- > added/modified code in the shareable image.A > O > If I increase the minor version number, will the image activator realise thatcH > the main image was linked against an older version and recalculate the > transfer vector ?t > L > If one has to constantly change the version number in the link command, isJ > there a trick short of having to create a temporary file and writing the5 > options to it with a different version every-time ?t   tryo   ...K   GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,10a   SYMBOL_VECTOR = ( -h 	routine1=procedure, - 	routine2=procedure)   -- t  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardsI   Karl RohwedderB iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 BraunschweigA Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843hH   E-Mail: rohwedder(at)decus.decus.de        | iT-IngTeam(at)t-online.de/           karl.rohwedder(at)it-ingenieurteam.det DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:44:26 GMT  From: danco@pebble.org+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image questions- Message-ID: <slrnafp3pf.j6f.danco@pebble.org>e  < In article <3CFC823C.F9010CC6@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:8 > I I create a shareable image from a C module by using  > " > LINK/SHARE  xxxxx, sys$input/opt > GSMATCH=LEQUAL,1,10n > UNIVERSAL=routine1 > UNIVERSAL=routine2 > P > Does the above create a transfer vector that is independant of the contents of > the routines?:  D No, absolutely not.  Please read the OpenVMS Linker reference manualF sections which describe how to create shareable images on both OpenVMSE VAX and OpenVMS Alpha.  On OpenVMS VAX, you want to create a transfer-D vector module in VAX MACRO.  The PSECT in which the transfer vectorsE reside needs to be placed such that it ends up in the at the start ofrF the first image section within the shareable image.  It's all trivial.D Just read the documentation for details.  On OpenVMS Alpha, you want< to use the SYMBOL_VECTOR option in your linker options file.   - Dano   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 06:11:58 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image question , Message-ID: <3CFC926E.3E6CE2C5@videotron.ca>   danco@pebble.org wrote:  > No, absolutely not.   E Ok thanks. I figures as much. The UNIVERSAL= is such an easier method9M especially during development when you add routines. Perhaps once developmehtrJ is complete, I will build a real transfer vector, but for development whenN things change a lot, it is faster to just relink the test/prototype main image# to the developping shareable image.n  N I was kinda hoping that UNIVERSAL= would create the transfer vectors for me...J But i guess it links directly to the entry point, which explains that if IN change something, then entry points change and the main image will then branch to the wrong place.e   Thanks.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:55:39 GMTo From: danco@pebble.org+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image questionp- Message-ID: <slrnafq0if.jf9.danco@pebble.org>g  < In article <3CFC926E.3E6CE2C5@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:  P > I was kinda hoping that UNIVERSAL= would create the transfer vectors for me...L > But i guess it links directly to the entry point, which explains that if IP > change something, then entry points change and the main image will then branch > to the wrong place.$  : Well, if you're creating an OpenVMS Alpha shareable image,8 then SYMBOL_VECTOR=(name=PROCEDURE) where 'name' is your= universal symbol name will indeed "do it all" for you withoutL: the need for transfer vectors.  The transfer vector module is only needed on OpenVMS VAX.  7 However, if you're always calling all the procedures inu: your OpenVMS VAX shareable image via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL; (i.e., looking up the address at run-time), then you're notS< subject to calling the wrong thing when the location changes: and you don't need transfer vectors.  The transfer vectors; are only needed to maintain upward compatibility for static0 linking/loading.  : Also, when you create your MACRO-32 transfer vector module= for your OpenVMS VAX shareable image, the .TRANSFER directivee: declares the symbol to be universal, so you then no longer? need to have those UNIVERSAL= statements in your linker optionss file.   > Unless your list of API routines in your OpenVMS VAX shareable= image changes frequently, I'd definately create that transfer @ vector module, even for the development environment.  After all,A it's no harder to maintain that then it is to maintain the linker-> options file.  And once you're using treansfer vectors, you no= longer need to maintain the options file (at least not to add / or delete universals that are procedure names).g  : Once again I want to strongly recommend reading the linker/ manual all the way through.  It's good reading.n   -Dan   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 05:26:41 -0700l) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)a# Subject: Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2.= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0206040426.1526d506@posting.google.com>   ` "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3CF83806.D3CAE4F8@fsi.net>... > G > Just one: When the Call for Participation in "DECUS" (HPETS) 2002 St. H > Louis finally appears, would you consider submitting a presentation on > the how-to's?    That's an interesting thought.  ? I'm a little geographically challenged for that event living in.
 Australia.  = My short term memory is not that good now - I'd be a laughingnB stock. I could write something about what I have done, but present it - I don't think so.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 05:38:28 -0700f) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)n# Subject: Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2o= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0206040438.731773bd@posting.google.com>p  m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0205312001.6c013b0a@posting.google.com>...o > C > I am the one who found the original problems 1 1/2 years ago with C > running apache on tcpware/multinet ... and I still don't think itm > works right,  3 Well... please work out the cause and get it fixed.    OpenVMS needs Apache.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:45:10 GMTa# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>rY Subject: Re: The Press and the IA-64 Port (was Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't beoJ Message-ID: <Wn4L8.184055$ah_.118458@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  J I have no doubt what you say about the port, the progress theron, and yourI expectations for the completion of technical aspects of it are 100% true.nI You and your collegues in VMS Engineering have consistently stepped up torG the plate and gotten the job done in marvellous fashion time and again.e  K What we are concerned about is the lack of marketing of your efforts to the  computing community.  G More marketing will garner more sales of VMS. More sales generates more I profits. More sales engenders a vibrant ISV applications market, which inaJ turn generates more sales and profits. More profits equals bigger year-endK bonuses for you and your VMS engineering colleagues. At least that's what at6 rational CEO would think about their own compensation.      ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messaged$ news:adh30f$bqo$4@web1.cup.hp.com... >o > Alan Greig skrev:  >oJ > : I trust someone from Compaq will contact both Computer Weekly and Meta > : Group to put them right... >yB >   Analysts have their opinions, you have yours, and I have mine. >iC >   Right now, I need to get my part of the OpenVMS IA-64 bootstrap-A >   working and I need to get the source code control system into C >   shape for certain of the new OpenVMS IA-64 source code modules.R >OB >   I noticed you missed the London Technical Update -- you missedF >   out on learning the details of what OpenVMS Engineering is workingE >   on, and directly from the engineers working on the code.  I couldhC >   cite various of the available presentations from that and othertB >   events, but the best proof will simply involve getting OpenVMS$ >   on IA-64 available and shipping. >t > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------oL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------H1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringd hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >3   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:43:56 -0400n2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>Y Subject: Re: The Press and the IA-64 Port (was Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't ben. Message-ID: <3CFCB60C.F620F8C1@mindspring.com>   JF Mezei wrote:t  O > Is there a way to "ping" an employee to find out if he is/she is still at the O > employ of HP ? I take it that thsoe who are let go after the initial round ofgB > voluntary severance won't have much of a chance to say anything.  = Last time I tried mailing to myself at Digipaq (quite a while @ after I left), my mail was silently absorbed; no bounce message,= no auto-reply, and certainly no forward to any of my existinge9 external E-Mail addresses. So unless things have changed,t6 E-Mail *ISN'T* an effective way of determining whether> someone is still at the Corporation Formerly Known as Digital.  , As a Ping, I usually try phoning the person.   Atlant   ------------------------------  ) Date: Tuesday, 04 Jun 2002 23:44:40 -0600d! From: Adndrew@novaresponse.com.aut Subject: Urgent News Flash/ Message-ID: <04060223.4440@novaresponse.com.au>t   URGENT NEWSFLASH  @ The government has installed BLACK BOXES into ISPs to watch your Internet surfing.i  C When you are targeted, the first you will know is the KNOCK AT YOURr DOOR and the JAIL SENTENCE.   < If you think you have cleaned your computer - you are WRONG.  C They can recover from your PC every single picture or item you havea ever watched on the Internet.r  6 You need protection. You need an Evidence Eliminator.    Click Here.e  ! http://www.geocities.com/ee773636u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:42:43 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>- Subject: VAXBAR comments, Message-ID: <3CFC6142.6F86573E@videotron.ca>  N Reviewing my VMS bookmarks, I decided it was time to comment on the following:  1 http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~vance/www/vaxbar.htmlb    a SHOW SYS of that node reveals:
 $ show systemlK BAR/VMS V1.0  on node VAXBAR  28-JUN-1997 18:11:08.82  Uptime 2190 17:43:42 M   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  Pages0M 00001010 REFRIGERATOR    LEF      4     1212   0 00:10:12.23      4125    150 M 00000800 LIGHTS          COM      6     9121   0 00:34:23.11      1231    343mM 00000412 BLENDER         HIB      4     3412   0 00:23:49.32      1341    111eM 00000169 SINK            LEF      3      211   0 00:01:12.66       231    222s $ logout4   BARTENDER    logged out at 28-JUN-1997 18:11:23.75  + Now, ihave to ask about the process states.e  & Shouldn't the REFRIGIRATOR  be on HIB, the LIGHTS in LEF0 the BLENDER in COM and SINK in LEF ?(  5 And how come there would be no CUR process in there ?f   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 15:15:44 GMTe! From: xwjuvd@freefresh.50megs.como0 Subject: Why do all free sites have an AVS  5857@ Message-ID: <AQ4L8.237116$o66.659838@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  ) I have found a site thats completely freeu   Always Free, ALways Fresho$ Thousands of Pics/Stories and movies With NO AVSu! http://freefresh.dirtyhosting.coms/ Ive never seen a site with so much free contentu  , zukruurmtguxgruhkudmpzfnxcdleioppubtsugzlnxo   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.308 ************************