1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 309       Contents:A Re: "Recode in another language", was: RE: VAX to ia64 migration? A Re: "Recode in another language", was: RE: VAX to ia64 migration? A Re: "Recode in another language", was: RE: VAX to ia64 migration?  Re: Adding drives to SAN/HSG80( CFP - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium Re: Challenge: Find The Fault  Re: Challenge: Find The Fault  Re: Copying a file via FID Re: Copying a file via FID Re: Copying a file via FID Re: Could linux become VMS? # Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER  Re: DEFINE/TRANS=CONC  Re: DEFINE/TRANS=CONC ) Re: difference between logical and symbol ) Re: difference between logical and symbol ) Re: difference between logical and symbol ( Re: Does UK ATC use VMS, if not why not?% DS10L Price drop - Now $950 including  ES45 and VMS  7.2-1  Re: ES45 and VMS  7.2-1  Re: Exit code from PERL script) Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !! ) Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !! ) Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !! ) Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!  Re: HP Layoffs have begun  Re: info about photoplotter - Re: Intel to start to advertise even more :-( - Re: Intel to start to advertise even more :-( 2 Re: Is Polycenter for VMS a good security product?2 It works by itself since ages, why would I change?2 Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft2 Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft& Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP * Re: Open-source poses security risks - Da!* Re: Open-source poses security risks - Da!* Re: Open-source poses security risks - Da!B Re: Other HP printers and USB (was: Newest version of DCPS and our" Re: Quick shareable image question" Re: Quick shareable image question" Re: Quick shareable image question" Re: Quick shareable image question) Re: S-Algol (Was Re: Future architecture)  Simulate hardware failure. How?  Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2( TPS and Max I/O. How are the calculated?# UAF files on Fibre disks and v7.2-1 ' Re: UAF files on Fibre disks and v7.2-1 ' Re: UAF files on Fibre disks and v7.2-1  Re: VMS to UNIX/LINUX 5 Re: Would you like to see this on the VMS freeware CD 5 Re: Would you like to see this on the VMS freeware CD   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:54:03 -0700 M From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net> J Subject: Re: "Recode in another language", was: RE: VAX to ia64 migration?: Message-ID: <3CFD0CCB.1F2B07CC@spam-be-gone.intel.com.net>   John Reagan wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  > R > > Since Curly sold its compilers and compiler engineers as slaves to Intel, then > > there is no choice.  > > R > > Remember that this was part of the June 25 announcement. In IA64, Compaq wouldJ > > use "industry standard" compilers and the onles on Alpha would just be+ > > maintained to ensure they still worked.  > > L > > When VMS lost its proprietary compilers, it lost an edge it had over itsR > > competitors. Digital's compilers were tuned not only to the hardware, but also* > > the debugger and the operating system. > > A > > It remains to be seen how Intel's compilers will work on VMS.  > >  > @ > You know, I'm getting really tired of answering this question. > G > Compaq didn't sell ALL of its compiler engineers to Intel.  I've been I > working on compilers for Digital, then Compaq, and now H-P for just shy D > under 19 years now.  Compaq kept several GEM folks to maintain theF > existing code base and to ensure high-quality as we move to Itanium.J > Compaq kept several front-end compiler folks to maintain and enhance the > compiler front-ends. > I > Compaq didn't sell ALL of its compilers to Intel.  While I haven't seen E > the exact wording, except for variants of Fortran, I don't think we ' > "sold" any of our compilers to Intel.  > D > The Alpha-based compilers will always be GEM-based.  We will fullyJ > support those compilers and enhance them as needed.  The latest versions= > of the Alpha compilers take full advantage of the EV7 chip.  > I > The Itanium-based compilers will mostly be GEM-based.  Some will remain I > GEM-based forever I'd guess (Intel doesn't make a BLISS compiler :-) ). I >   Others may migrate to Intel's compilers when we can ensure that those I > compilers have the right features and are can work properly with things  > like the debuggers and OS.   [...]   G     To add to what John has said, I recently had the pleasure of giving F Steve Lionel, of Fortran fame and now an Intel employee, a tour of theG fabs here in Oregon.  I asked specifically about VMS compilers, GEM and J IA-64.  To answer the doubters questions (but probably not satisfy them!),J The Digtial, then Compaq, now Intel compiler teams is writing an interfaceH between GEM and the Intel back-end, which I believe is called "ISL" (butH I could very well be mistaken).  The point is the existing VMS compilersJ which use the GEM back-end for Alpha will use an ISL back-end on IA-64 viaG an "adapter" that makes ISL look like GEM to the compiler front-end. So A all existing GEM-based VMS compilers should "just work" on IA-64.        -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! F20 Automation VMS System Support  kenneth.h.fairfield#intel.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:05:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> J Subject: Re: "Recode in another language", was: RE: VAX to ia64 migration?, Message-ID: <3CFD2BA9.E6CB491C@videotron.ca>   "Kenneth H. Fairfield" wrote: I > an "adapter" that makes ISL look like GEM to the compiler front-end. So C > all existing GEM-based VMS compilers should "just work" on IA-64.   E That is not the question. The question to ask is whether existing VMS ) compilers will continue to be developped.   L The announcement on June25  lead me to believe thatr compilers on Alpha wereL to become mature with only maintenance being done and that VMS would inheritK whatvere compilers Intel wants to make for IA64 with whatever modificatiosn # are needed to make them run on VMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 03:15:45 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>J Subject: Re: "Recode in another language", was: RE: VAX to ia64 migration?% Message-ID: <3CFD8101.4050203@hp.com>    JF Mezei wrote: G > That is not the question. The question to ask is whether existing VMS + > compilers will continue to be developped.  > N > The announcement on June25  lead me to believe thatr compilers on Alpha were4 > to become mature with only maintenance being done   I That is true from a code generator and optimization standpoint.  With no  F new Alphas coming after EV7, there isn't much left to do.  The latest E version of GEM for Alpha squeezes almost everything out to the chip.  E  From a language point of view, we may still add new features to the  H various compilers for standards compliance, customer satisfaction, etc. @   Alpha code generator development has stopped.  Alpha compiler  development has not.     > and that VMS would inheritM > whatvere compilers Intel wants to make for IA64 with whatever modificatiosn % > are needed to make them run on VMS.   E Thay may only be true for a subset of the languages and only when we  B decide that the Intel-based compilers are usable by our customers.         --   John Reagan ' Compaq Pascal/{A|I}MACRO Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:25:14 GMT' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> ' Subject: Re: Adding drives to SAN/HSG80 ) Message-ID: <3CFD303A.602908E6@uiowa.edu>    John Koska wrote:  > ^ > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message news:<1020530183040.359A-100000@Ives.egh.com>...* > > On Thu, 30 May 2002, Rick Dyson wrote: > . F > > I had the same question about adding disks to an HSZ80 a few weeks- > > ago, and someone pointed me a document at  > > B > > P.S.  Thanks again, whoever the helpful person was who pointed > > me at this.  > E > I think that was me from what checking I did in the archives.  Your H > thanks is welcome.  comp.os.vms has almost always been a helpful place> > for my questions, and I like to return something when I can. >  > John Koska > Matthew Bender & Co., Inc.  K I also was glad for that doc.  Later that day, CSC e-mailed me a version (I O had logged a call on the subject), but it did not contain the little disclaimer $ about being left out of the docs. :)  M As a followup, all went well until as a fluke event, the "#5" button stuck in K after I pressed it (we did not figure that out for quite a while, they are  O pretty tiny and the cabinet is dark, yada yada yada...).  Thus, the bus did not O quiet and then we tried everything until we tried a reset.  Ouch!  A RESET with N channel 5 pressed at the same time is the command to reset to factory default. :)  D So, we did that a few times more until I noticed the button stuck...  O When it finally cleared, it was unstable and kept rebooting with errors of NVPM N which CSC decided was a controller failure and ordered me a new one.  I let itP sit for a day and then after we "set nofailover" (which we believe we had to do,< but the support guy said it was not needed) we could use theO "set multibus_failover copy = this" command to restore the controller's config.   H I canceled the controller replacement and it has been working well since	 Saturday.   O I am happy to say the dual redundant nature of it worked as it was supposed to. J It kept the live system happy and no one else but us were stressed at all!  O So, the moral of my story is if you have any HSG80 controllers, be careful when P you quiesce the buses and make sure that damn little button pops up straight and) doesn't get hung on the back of the case!    Rick   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:01:08 -0400K From: "Encompass - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium" <KilleenJ@toast.net> 1 Subject: CFP - HP Enterprise Technology Symposium / Message-ID: <ufqvol5nnqk730@corp.supernews.com>   ' The "Call For Papers" is now open at...    http://www.hpets2002.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:56:15 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: Challenge: Find The Fault' Message-ID: <3CFD6549.D94784A9@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:  > K > Assuming that the original statements are true, but obfuscated to protect L > the guilty, the numbers represent  the ranking in the Fortune 100 of those > companies. > L > If the original statements of your 1st post are in fact wild fiction, thenM > connecting the dots (so to speak) is a wasted exercise. But should HP issue / > statements like that, it compromises nothing.   8 Thank you for that. I knew that, that's why I posted it.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:20:54 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> & Subject: Re: Challenge: Find The Fault* Message-ID: <3CFD8EB2.8030601@qsl.network>   David J. Dachtera wrote: > John Smith wrote:  > K >>Assuming that the original statements are true, but obfuscated to protect L >>the guilty, the numbers represent  the ranking in the Fortune 100 of those >>companies. >>L >>If the original statements of your 1st post are in fact wild fiction, thenM >>connecting the dots (so to speak) is a wasted exercise. But should HP issue / >>statements like that, it compromises nothing.  >   : > Thank you for that. I knew that, that's why I posted it.  < But what is the point in posting statements that can not be 9 independantly verified?  It causes counter claims of FUD.   7 For a list of Customers that have given permission see:   2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/success-stories.html   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:29:00 GMT 9 From: Hein van den Heuvel <hein_netscape@eps.zko.dec.com> # Subject: Re: Copying a file via FID / Message-ID: <3CFD042D.F0A2AA89@eps.zko.dec.com>    Jack Trachtman wrote:   F > I can get the FID via F$GETQUI and I can look at the directory entryF > using DFU. But I can't figure out (without writing a program) how to. > copy the file within DCL using just its FID.  5 How about creating a directory entry for the file ID? F I don't think there is a standard tool for this, but it was trivial to write .. .see below.8 This would be a nice function for SET FILE/ENTER or DFU:' /ID=(NUM=x,SEQ=x,RVN) | I1=x,I2=x,I3=x) G The first format would be for 'proper' 24/16/8 bits entries, the second  for 16/16/16 entries. 1 Both should ofcouse have a hex alternative input. G My program below just does decimal (24/16).. or at least I hope it does  :-)    /*6 **    enter.C    create directory entry for a file ID. **- ** Have fun, Hein van den Heuvel, HP 6/4/2002  */ #include ssdef #include rms #include stdio #include string  #include stdlib    main(int argc, char *argv[]) { 4 int             i, status, sys$parse(), sys$enter();< char            *p, expanded_name[256], resultand_name[256]; struct FAB      fab; struct NAM      nam;   if (argc < 4) { A     printf ("Usage $%s [x]<file-id> [x]<file-seq> <file-name>\n", 	 argv[0]);      return 268435456;      } else {       fab = cc$rms_fab;      fab.fab$l_fop = FAB$M_NAM;     fab.fab$l_dna = ".DAT"; *     fab.fab$b_dns = strlen(fab.fab$l_dna);     fab.fab$l_fna = argv[3];%     fab.fab$b_fns = strlen (argv[3]);      fab.fab$l_nam = &nam;        nam = cc$rms_nam; $     nam.nam$b_nop = NAM$M_NOCONCEAL;#     nam.nam$l_rsa = resultand_name;      nam.nam$b_rss = 255;"     nam.nam$l_esa = expanded_name;     nam.nam$b_ess = 255;         status = sys$parse( &fab );      if (status & 1) {          i = atoi (argv[1]); &         nam.nam$w_fid_num = (short) i;6         nam.nam$b_fid_nmx = (unsigned char) (i >> 16);5         nam.nam$w_fid_seq = (short) atoi ( argv[2] ); $         status = sys$enter ( &fab );	         }      return status;     }  }    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 13:47:14 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org# Subject: Re: Copying a file via FID 3 Message-ID: <WMxlmuEUeEa3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <fc13c8a4.0206040858.37a17c88@posting.google.com>, Jack.trachtman@vmmc.org (Jack Trachtman) writes:B > We have an application that uses Spooled LAT devices to send its> > output to printers.  To be able to debug some of the reportsG > generated, we need to capture these reports.  Unfortunately, VMS does E > not assign a file name to these files, only the (required) FID, and ) > the file name shows up in the print que  > as "[].;". > F > I can get the FID via F$GETQUI and I can look at the directory entryF > using DFU. But I can't figure out (without writing a program) how to. > copy the file within DCL using just its FID. > F > Or maybe there's a way to temporarily direct the output from a print > que to a file???   I can think of one way.   5 Create a session with your favorite terminal emulator  $ show term A Terminal: _VTA5427:   Device_Type: VT300_Series  Owner: _VTA5427: > Physical terminal: _NTY5291:                  Username: VAXS09& Remote Port Info: alpha.tst.tracor.com   $ STOP /NEXT myqueue# $ INIT /QUEUE myqueue /ON=_NTY5291:  $ LOGOT /NOHANG   !!!! DON'T PRESS ANY KEYS !!!!!!7 Set your terminal emulator to capture output if desired   - Now, create another terminal emulator session  $ START /QUEUE myqueueG (run your application, generate your queue entries and/or release them) . (watch the output scroll by your other window) $ STOP /NEXT myqueue  > Now, go back to your other session and clean up if neccessary.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:51:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> # Subject: Re: Copying a file via FID , Message-ID: <3CFD286B.9793AC49@videotron.ca>   Jack Trachtman wrote: F > I can get the FID via F$GETQUI and I can look at the directory entryF > using DFU. But I can't figure out (without writing a program) how to. > copy the file within DCL using just its FID.    I Just a shot in the dark, would it be possible to do the equivalent of SETa6 FILE/ENTER to create a file name associated to a FID ?  K Is there a system service to do SET FILE/ENTER, and if so, would it work ifaJ the target file is a fully populated NAM block that has the FID in it, and some dummy name ?S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 01:16:56 +0200e' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not>i$ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?( Message-ID: <3CFD4A68.552392C2@spam.not>   Phillip Helbig wrote:    [SNIP]  I > Also, read up on what Linus thinks about VMS.  I read an interview withmE > him which gave the impression that he has really no idea about VMS.n  = Unfortunately, Linus is a great manager and motivator but an SD awfully bad programmer and he *is* as undeducated as most Europeans E *think* that USamericans are (no offense taken!). About one year ago tD the German hobby computer magazin c't printed one chapter of Linus' : autobiography where he explained why VMS sucks: he had no A documentation at the campus, VMS was regarded as very stable and oA very good for databases and they hadn't the permission to access eA the system from remote while OTOH the UNIX system was accessible   from remote.  : I was very disappointed after reading this BS from Linus. 9 Before that I only knew that he had no clue about CS and u; programming - especially OS design and implementation were  < his weakest points. But I didn't know that he is completely ; stupid and a person who is only interested in being famous s5 and using his "power" to talk about things he hasn't  ) understood or doesn't know nothing about.   9 Given these facts about the superfluous Linus it doesn't a6 matter whether a decent DEC campus licence would have < provided a complete set of documentation (I bet he wouldn't 9 have read it, or it was even there and he didn't find it a: like he didn't find all the good books about programming, ; PLs and design principles) and Linus would then have tried s: to implement something like VMS. The only advantage would 9 have been that some good programmers may have joined him  + instead of the masses of hobby programmers.r  8 Did I mention that UNIX is shit/crap and C fits well in?   --  7 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please reverse the sequence-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:29:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t, Subject: Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER, Message-ID: <3CFD2316.81CD28B0@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:7I > I see that (OpenVMS V7.3) DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER only gives me G > the message %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE when the actual value of the logical haso
 > changed,  L My guess is that if no change was detected, there is no point in propagatingJ your command to all the other nodes with the overhead involved (especiallyN when you want to ensure that the change takes effect immediatly which requiresM the "freezing" of logical name translations until the change is propagated tov a node.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:32:28 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>  Subject: Re: DEFINE/TRANS=CONC$ Message-ID: <3cfd23e1$1@news.si.com>  H >I need to define a concealed device which points to not a physical diskH >but another concealed device.  This doesn't work (so I will write a DCLG >procedure to do this---find the hidden physical name etc while keeping F >this transparent to the user).  Why doesn't it work?  Is it somewhere! >documented that it doesn't work.g   Doesn't work?  Hmm...t   $ sho log /fu a305_diskaL    "A305_DISK" [exec] = "$1$DUA131:" [concealed,terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) $ sho log/fu myroot L    "MYROOT" [super] = "A305_DISK:[TILLMAN.]" [concealed] (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) Directory MYROOT:[000000]o  E $MAIN.TPU$JOURNAL;1 .LYNXRC;1           .MOSAIC-CC-3_6;1    .NEWSRC;1 5 .RHOSTS;14          4635-01.RM;1        ACLEDIT.TPU;1  ADJUST_TIME.DIF;1rG ADMINACCESS.;1      ADMINS.DIS;1        AIRBUS.DIS;1        ALIAS.FOR;1t ...<snip>...   Seems to me that it does.h --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comdA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comm= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:38:21 -0500 C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>n Subject: Re: DEFINE/TRANS=CONCH Message-ID: <craig.berry-8B87ED.19382004062002@news.directvinternet.com>  $ In article <3cfd23e1$1@news.si.com>,=  "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote:o > Doesn't work?  Hmm...t >  > $ sho log /fu a305_diskeN >    "A305_DISK" [exec] = "$1$DUA131:" [concealed,terminal] (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > $ sho log/fu myroot N >    "MYROOT" [super] = "A305_DISK:[TILLMAN.]" [concealed] (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)   > Seems to me that it does.4  D In the very special case you have chosen, yes.  A305_DISK is just a E synonym for the physical device name and functions as though it were 4D created as the third parameter to the MOUNT command (whether or not & that's actually how you created it).    G But if you created a rooted logical name that refers to another rooted -H logical name which is *not* a synonym for a physical device name (i.e., H it points to a directory), then you'd see the problem.  For example, if  youA  - $ define/trans=conc myroot2 myroot:[myfiles.]9  4 then you'd see the problem Phillip is talking about.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 12:02:23 -0700 ; From: jnchambl@texaschildrenshospital.org (Jesse Chambless)n2 Subject: Re: difference between logical and symbol= Message-ID: <d92c63cc.0206041102.5eedf3b0@posting.google.com>e  ! I like to think of it this way...e  J Logicals generally relate to "physical" things.  Directories, devices etc.: Symbols equate to variables in most programming languages.   Jessee  l "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> wrote in message news:<ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com>... > Hi > ? > I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.aL > Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbol >   > Thanks in advance for any help	 > Sandeep0   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 15:28:24 -0700s. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)2 Subject: Re: difference between logical and symbol= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0206041428.732a83b2@posting.google.com>e  s SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<343f30ae.0206040725.31dea3f4@posting.google.com>...in > "Sandeep Yelwatkar" <Sandeep_Yelwatkar@bmc.com> wrote in message news:<ufp4rc7n0cmjf3@corp.supernews.com>... > > Hi > > A > > I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.eN > > Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbol > > " > > Thanks in advance for any help > > Sandeepd [snip]     Some corrections to my post:    E > Symbols can be local or global. Local symbols are valid only at thesF > command level in which they are defined. Global symbols are valid at    C CORRECTION!!! Local symbols are valid at the command level in whicha@ they are defined and all lower (deeper, inner, whatever) command levels. Sorry for the goof.     E > all command levels. You go down one command level when you invoke atE > command procedure. See the User's manual for more information aboutn > this aspect of symbols.i >  [snip] > A > You can also think of symbols as being translated before by DCL-:                                                     ^^^^^^ strike this before  G > *before* DCL runs a program (internal or otherwise) and logical names.D > as being translated (by the operating system or program) while the > program is running.d >s   [snip]     Sorry for the goofs.    m Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman " afeldman atski gfigroup dotski com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 01:24:51 GMTs1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: difference between logical and symbol' Message-ID: <3CFD6BF4.4D2B296B@fsi.net>s   Sandeep Yelwatkar wrote: >  > Hi > ? > I am new to OpenVMS and at present getting familiar with DCL.gL > Can someone let me know what is the difference between logicals and symbol  E Well, symbols are very similar to environment variables on UN*X, DOS,u	 Win, etc.t  A Logical names have no direct parallel in those operating systems. B They're a different kind of "system environment" variable that areD visible to one process tree, to some process trees or to all process? trees. They have an organization and a hierarchy. They can have > different translations depending upon the "access mode", and aB translation of one logical name can refer to another logical name.  A You really need to read up on them to get a fuller understanding.t   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:34:53 +0100s. From: Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk>1 Subject: Re: Does UK ATC use VMS, if not why not?d1 Message-ID: <elPR0VAdQB98EwxV@natron.demon.co.uk>n  > In article <3CE94AF2.E7E8328E@blueyonder.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn' <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk> writesl >nB >Does anyone know what technology the new UK ATC system at Swanick >uses.  : I think the latest system is an amalgamation of claimed-to< -already-exist US software from Lockheed Martin plus various9 add-ons & amendments to make it suitable for the UK, with = further modifications to make it fit into the common Europeans$ model being promoted by EuroControl.  < The original decision to adopt this particular approach was 9 based on promised cost savings and risk reduction. At one-; point large parts of the system were going to be written inu> Ada, but that was before the contracts were signed so I don't  know if it ever happened.s  : Older systems made extensive use of both VMS and RSX - the7 latter for signal processing until more modern hardwaree; eventually became able to keep up :)  Some of these systemsd; (sans RSX) continue to be developed and used in other partst: of Europe - the best clue as to where is to look for those< countries which never seem to have ATC problems :) I believe> they've also been sold into many of the newest small European 9 countries since they're both cheaper and easier to tailor < for individual airports and countries. As far as I know most: of these are still VAX-based rather than Alpha - there was< a move-to-Alpha plan being discussed, but that got confused = about a year ago for some reason. Last I heard it was turning / into a sod-this-can-we-move-to-Unix evaluation.   > The West Drayton civilian ATC is really an older older system > since at its core its based on 1960s IBM mainframe technology.    < NB: all the above subject to correction from someone who has;     been involved in this stuff more recently than I have !n   -- d
 Roger Barnetts   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:17:49 -04001 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com>a. Subject: DS10L Price drop - Now $950 including/ Message-ID: <ufqbhsm5cva31a@news.supernews.com>   8 DS10L 6/466 466Mhz New condition with 12 months warranty 512MB Memory (2 x 256MB)$ Low Profile Floppy & CDROM installed* 10GB ATAPI Disk installed (VMS Compatible) Dual 10/100 Built in ethernet 
 Power Cord Dual Serial Port
 Parallel Porti	 USB Ports   1 Price is now $950 - large quantity in stock !!!!!d    L This is a COMP.OS.VMS special price and is not being advertised in any other	 newsgroup : You must include a copy of this post to receive this price Delivery is not included   VMS license for above: $750c  Shipping: Germany/France/EU $110 UK: 90 USA Ground West Coast: $40 USA East Coast $30! Canada Air Economy West Coast $90e! Canada Air Economy East Coast $80r Japan/Far East/Australia $130e  2 Warranty: 12 months from Island Computers US Corp.  6 Now tell us you can't afford an EV6 VMS system !!!!!!!   -- Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street$ Savannah GA 31404o Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332  International: 001 912 447 6622   Facsimile:      001 912 201 0096 dbturner@hpaq.neti www.hpaq.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:43:27 -0500 . From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> Subject: ES45 and VMS  7.2-1. Message-ID: <3CFD266F.34F1B8C8@pressenter.com>   Just a hypothetical question...S    D My sources say that to run an ES45, I need VMS v7.3... Not a problem9 there... I would never dream of recommending otherwise...s    F But in case somebody asks, "what would happen if we tried to run it on	 v7.2-1?" )  . So what would happen? Or what wouldn't happen?   Thanks in advance,   Lyndon     -- iG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of mys	 employer.u    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:43:23 +0100, From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>  Subject: Re: ES45 and VMS  7.2-16 Message-ID: <adk8dr$1215sq$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  A "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag ( news:3CFD266F.34F1B8C8@pressenter.com...0 > So what would happen? Or what wouldn't happen? >.  J I didn't try it myself, but my supplier said, he tried and it did not came up.    -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:46:17 -0700O" From: Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com>' Subject: Re: Exit code from PERL scripta( Message-ID: <3CFD1909.2090109@tgsmc.com>   Craig A. Berry wrote:t   [...]p( > $ perl -e "use vmsish 'exit'; exit 1;" > $ sh sym $status >   $STATUS == "%X00000001"_ > $ B > Exit codes greater than 1 are not subject to any interpretation.    C And from the More Than You Really Wanted To Know Department, if fors? some reason you are unable to modify the perl script to and the > "use vmsish" statement, you can invoke it on the command line:  % $ perl "-Mvmsish('exit')" -e "exit 1"c $ sh sym $status    $STATUS == "%X00000001"   Brad   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:37:26 +0200p From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>2 Subject: Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!& Message-ID: <3CFD2506.5000908@home.nl>   Jonathan Boswell wrote:r > Dirk Munk wrote: > P >>This is a 80 GB Western Digital WD 800JB IDE disk connected to the SCSI bus ofR >>my PWS. I used a Acard AEC-7720UW SCSI-IDE bridge to connect it. It works great,> >>and in total this is a lot cheaper then a 80 GB SCSI disk !! >  > L > Very interesting.  What happens if you plug it into the PWS IDE controller) > directly, without the Acard in between?a >  >  - JB   H I have a first generation PWS. Not even the CD-Rom is supported on IDE !  O By the way, the performance of the disk is stunning. I did a anal /disk /read, n? and got 580 IO's/sec sustained, with peaks up to 650 IO's /sec.u   Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:11:23 +0000 (UTC)- From: lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis)A2 Subject: Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!. Message-ID: <adjdub$ref$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> writes in article <3CFCE964.6283405A@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> dated Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:23:00 -0400:e >Dirk Munk wrote: Q >> This is a 80 GB Western Digital WD 800JB IDE disk connected to the SCSI bus ofsS >> my PWS. I used a Acard AEC-7720UW SCSI-IDE bridge to connect it. It works great,m? >> and in total this is a lot cheaper then a 80 GB SCSI disk !!e >rK >Very interesting.  What happens if you plug it into the PWS IDE controller2( >directly, without the Acard in between?  8 I did that with a 60 GB 7200 RPM Maxtor on my PWS 500au.  I When doing I/O over the onboard IDE interface, the CPU spends most of its L time in "interrupt state" as reported by MON MODE.  The I/O speed isn't thatH great either, around 2 MB/s when I ftp from my G-3 (100baseT ethernet). 9 It's understandable why Compaq didn't sell them that way.d  + --Keith Lewis              klewis$mitre.orgo> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:45:27 GMTk From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..comp2 Subject: Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!8 Message-ID: <bo5rfuotk3r1iov22ijv9gm3ofe08r89as@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:27:35 +0200, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:t  P >This is a 80 GB Western Digital WD 800JB IDE disk connected to the SCSI bus of R >my PWS. I used a Acard AEC-7720UW SCSI-IDE bridge to connect it. It works great, = >and in total this is a lot cheaper then a 80 GB SCSI disk !!h >h" >You can find more information at: >http://www.acard.com  >r' >I'll be happy to answer any questions.l >a >r	 >Regards,d >  >Dirk   - How much does this card cost, approximately ?e
 Just curious.o   -ldb   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 07:58:45 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>2 Subject: Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!& Message-ID: <3CFDA895.5000306@home.nl>    LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com wrote:E > On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:27:35 +0200, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:f >  > Q >>This is a 80 GB Western Digital WD 800JB IDE disk connected to the SCSI bus of nS >>my PWS. I used a Acard AEC-7720UW SCSI-IDE bridge to connect it. It works great, b> >>and in total this is a lot cheaper then a 80 GB SCSI disk !! >># >>You can find more information at:n >>http://www.acard.com >>( >>I'll be happy to answer any questions. >> >>
 >>Regards, >> >>Dirk >  > / > How much does this card cost, approximately ?d > Just curious.n >  > -ldb  Q In the US, appr. $70, in the UK 59.95 pound. You can find a list of distributors c on the Acard web site.  P Keep in mind however that in a PWS you can only use it on the upper disk in the M disk bay. The bridge is higher then a disk, and if it were to be used on the o@ lower disk, it would block the SCSI connector of the upper disk.  O You can find another converter with Acard that you can install in the bay, but  5 there is no room for that either as far as I can see.h  O However I'm quite happy with a 9 GB SCSI system disk and a 80 GB IDE/SCSI data iO disk. Even a BA356 tower fully populated with 9 GB disks in combination with a e: Mylex Raid card would give me no more then 54 GB (raid 5).   Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:44:13 GMTN# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>D" Subject: Re: HP Layoffs have begunJ Message-ID: <xE9L8.188704$ah_.111666@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K It would be very interesting to keep track of the details of which businessoI units (ie. VMS, PC servers, etc...) have the layoffs, how the numbers aredJ distributed (ie. engineering vs. marketing vs. support, etc...) by country    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CFBEA0F.6E1F490F@videotron.ca.... > HP Starts Cutting Jobs, Readying New Outlook >  Mon Jun 3, 5:24 PM ET >r >  By Peter Henderson  >-F >  SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Hewlett-Packard  Co. has begun widespread layoffsnK > seen as key to the financial success of its merger  with Compaq  ComputerOH > Corp. and expects to outline the progress of the controversial deal on
 > Tuesday. >iB >   "Those notices have begun," Jim Milton, senior vice president,
 EnterpriseL > Systems Group and general manager, HP Americas, told Reuters on Monday. He waslL > referring to notice given to employees they will be laid off, but declined to& > say how many workers have been told. >s) >  <stuff about HP's stock price removed>s > I >  Fiorina expects to make most of the 10 percent cut in positions within) six toI > nine months of the launch date -- five to eight months from now  -- andN theCI > first line of attrition will come from early retirement buyouts offered  some > 9,000 U.S. employees.R > J >  That buyout offer closes on Friday. Fiorina said earlier this month she willL > give an update on that progress. Technology researcher Martin  Reynolds of/ > Gartner Inc. said that would be just in time.l > I >  "I feel they are almost beginning to push the envelope a little bit in  term, > of not announcing these layoffs," he said. >eK >  HP's Milton said that four of six to seven levels of management had been1J > named in most of his organization and that the threat of layoffs was not > paralyzing workers.- >-I >  "There is a little bit of apprehension, and I think it is important toC noteL > that, but it pales in comparison to the positive euphoria that exists," he* > said. "The momentum is obviously there." >0 >  HOUSEKEEPINGe >iJ >  Housekeeping details of integrating and slimming the two companies will beJ > the highlight of the analyst conference, said Carl Hoagland, an  analyst atI > State Street Global Advisors. He said he is attracted by HP's value but  stillS# > concerned about merger execution.  >"K >  He also was interested to hear what HP would say about rumors that No. 2 J > personal computer maker Dell Computer Corp. , deposed from its status as PCL > industry leader by the merger, was considering a move into printers, where HP > makes most of its profits. >rD > <QUESTION: are HP printers more profitable than VMS/UNIX/TANDEM ?> >a > K >  Chief Financial Officer Bob Wayman is also expected to come out with newt? > financial forecasts, but Hoagland said they were not the key.  >eH >  "If they come out with numbers, fine, I'll write them down with great care, J > but the believability, the credibility just isn't there at this point. I thinkl( >  it is really way too early," he said. >-G >  HP had forecast in September that the merger would cost the combineds companyhI > up to 4.9 percent in lost revenue but save it $2.5 billion through cost  cutsI > by the end of 2004, with $2 billion of the cuts due by the end of 2003.t >h* > <stuff about earnings per share snipped> >lK >  Gartner data for sales of powerful server computers in the first quarterbI > showed combined market share of HP and Compaq steady,  buttressing HP'sp claimsB > that it has not lost customers during the turmoil of the merger. >.L >  "The new HP is doing better than the old HP. I am beginning to wonder how bad L > a shape their computing division was in," Reynolds said,  although he said HPL > Chief Operating Officer Michael Capellas, who runs the company day to day, had 4 > some tough cost cutting to do, and to  do quickly. >lJ >  "It is not really a honeymoon. He's got six months to make changes," he said.9   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:17:04 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>1$ Subject: Re: info about photoplotter$ Message-ID: <3cfd2046$1@news.si.com>  C >I'm looking for information how to work with my laser photoplotter D >model GSI-9620 connected to a VAX 3100 station. If any can help me?  I You have to tell us a little more about the problem, like what networkingnJ protocols does the photoplotter support?  What physical interfaces does itJ have?  Do you have software that will generate the codes the plotter needs to draw?  Things like that.s --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comtA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent)< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:48:59 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l6 Subject: Re: Intel to start to advertise even more :-(, Message-ID: <3CFD27B9.98BD8634@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote:tN > As stated above, at #6 for brand awareness, folks would listen to what IntelO > say, and Intel of all people are in the unique position of being able to pushr/ > VMS as a means of shifting their own product.h  K On the other hand, consider the possibility that HP would tell Intel it cans1 use HP-UX and NSK but not VMS in the advertising.e  L Consider the possibility that Intel would charge HP for the "free publicity"I of HP's proprietary products, and HP would then chargeback to the various.G departments, but since VMS would have no marketing budget, it could nott7 participate in this so its name would not be mentioned.a  J When you look at the number of times HP and Compaq have gone through greatN lengths to mention all their OS *EXCEPT VMS*, I would not be surprised one bit if this were to happen.   N Once VMS is commercially available on Intel's slow-as-molasses thing, the real@ test will be whether HP will start to advertise VMS and reap theM Intel-subsidies applied to any advertising that has that awful Intel logo anda tune at the end.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 01:54:38 GMTl* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Intel to start to advertise even more :-(B Message-ID: <ybeL8.120480$Kp.12206004@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3CFD27B9.98BD8634@videotron.ca...   ...i  F > Once VMS is commercially available on Intel's slow-as-molasses thing  H I don't have much use for Itanic, but do try to be truthful when talkingL about it.  'Slow as molasses' might be reasonable to apply to Merced, but byF the time VMS is commercially available the only Merceds will be in theK Computer Museum (likely in the 'evolutionary dead ends' section).  McKinleyhI won't be as fast as EV7 or POWER (though POWER's claim to SPEC speed is amK bit tainted by the unusual configuration tested), but it will be as fast assJ USIII and (gasp!) even about as fast as current 1 GHz EV68s, so calling itH 'slow as molasses' is ridiculous.  Madison (2003 shrink of McKinley withG more cache) will be faster than McKinley, and Montecito (2004 shrink ofpK Madison - scheduled to appear about the same time the VMS port is scheduled L to be complete) will be faster than Madison, though by how much in each case is yet unknown.w  K Alpha was the only chip with a well-defined future that clearly made ItaniciK look like a dog, though POWER should hold its own pretty well and SPARC haseL never really seemed to be hurt by not being a performance leader at the chipI level.  If it weren't for the Hammer (and perhaps Yamhill) competition in G the low end, Itanic might actually take over that portion of the 64-bit 5 server market and be able to leverage that volume andiL 'industry-standardness' to develop a credible high-end presence, even thoughI its performance will not be state of the art for at least another 4 yearsoB (i.e., until the McKinley core is replaced - assuming it ever is).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 15:31:10 -0700f( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski); Subject: Re: Is Polycenter for VMS a good security product?e= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206041431.7c3aba7f@posting.google.com>   m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0206030540.3cda9019@posting.google.com>...e; > Touch Technologies now has DEC Polycenter for VMS, and itI: > looks like a good security tool ... has anyone ever used9 > it, and is it pretty good to automate the monitoring ofn
 > servers?  : well, if no one has heard of it, it looks like it must not be very good ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:26:13 +0200i- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ; Subject: It works by itself since ages, why would I change? ' Message-ID: <3CFD3074.6AA62B61@Free.fr>u  ( There is a factory which produces goods.6 They started around 1975 with a PDP 11/23 and RSX-11M.O Then, they bought one of the first 11/750 available in France and moved to VMS.bN Today, they have a cluster of two 4400 running 5.5-2H4, since ten years or so. They do no new developments.O They have no more software maintenance contracts ("the system is up and running08 since many years without reboot, why would I upgrade?").R They plan to buy spare parts here and there when their 4400 are no more supported.K They will wonder about migration only when their production system may haveo# risks to take them out of business.   	 Question:!S How many existing VMS Customers can recognize themselves in this description today?e   D. -- 62   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:34:42 -04005- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w; Subject: Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsofts+ Message-ID: <3CFD2460.9964A9E@videotron.ca>e   Bob Ceculski wrote:"G > and what about when linux viruses reach your linux box ... unless you,D > want to run linux closed, VMS remains the only secure web platform= > out there ... open source is unsecure to run on the web ...b  G There is a big difference. Windows comes not only with lots of softwarerJ installed, but also lots of software configured to start in the background@ with wide open gaping holes, without the owner knowing about it.  = Linux comes bare bones and you add/enable what you need/want.w  N Does a web server on linux require all mighty privileges to run ? If not, thenN when it gets some buffer overflow, it will affect only its own process.  A bigL problem with Microsoft is that it likes to require all mighty provileges forF its software because the sofware and OS are not designed to allow such software to run without privs.   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Jun 2002 06:20:19 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>; Subject: Re: Linux gains acceptance at expense of Microsoft.- Message-ID: <877kle4rfg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   , "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  E > Most non-toy (i.e., non-x86, though Hammer is looking less and less D > like a toy) hardware is either-endian (MIPS, Alpha, Itanic, POWER,D > and SPARC, though some have more noticeable endian-preference thanC > others), but I don't know whether PA-RISC is.  OTOH, in some reale= > senses 'most of the world' runs on x86 hardware and is thusS > little-endian.  @ HPPAs are either endian, but PHUX runs bigendian. One of the OEMA variants ( HX-UX? from Hitachi?) run s little endian from memory.l   -- b< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:37:22 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>y/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading $ Message-ID: <3cfd08e8$1@news.si.com>  L >Shirley the group went to another pub for a meal and finish the discussions >over even more beer ?   Who's "Shirley the Group"? -- cA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com0= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventc< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:35:11 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>T Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP$ Message-ID: <3cfd0865$1@news.si.com>   >Hear, hear!!!!. >u >Good going Jason! >S; >"Jason O'Donnell" <jodonnell@hrblock.com> wrote in messagea8 >news:9059bf6b.0205310725.73d173d4@posting.google.com... >> To Whom It May Concern:  % Only if he mailed it to people at HP.l --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevents< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 01:00:05 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>b Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP' Message-ID: <3CFD662F.188650D3@fsi.net>-   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > \ > In article <3CFC370D.89D2C72@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > > Hoff Hoffman wrote:g >  > >> or Reseller.2 > >mH > > Went out of business last year - can't sell VMS around here anymore.8 > > Even VACS is auctioning off their DEC stuff on eBay. > E > These people must have listened too much to someone telling them to7& > set their prices more affordable :-)  H Well, they are probably trying to minimize their losses. Maybe what theyD don't sell I could offer to haul away with the promise not to charge7 them for taking it. It may have some salvage value. ;-)s   --   David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/2   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Jun 2002 05:47:46 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>3 Subject: Re: Open-source poses security risks - Da! - Message-ID: <87bsaq4sxp.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i   nic <junk@127.0.0.1> writes:  F > VMS used to come with sources, if microfiche qualified. you couldn'tE > use SEARCH on them, but a fiche reader was OK. I think the practiceo? > of automatically shipping these stopped somewhere around V4.7p  / 5.5. Don't think there was a -Hn update for it.r  D The irony is, for higher security rating, the code MUST be inspectedB and audited. So they have not even bothered to look at the rainbow# specs, or any of their follow ons. d  @ About what you'd expect from a billyshill. M$ quality at work :)   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 01:02:06 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e3 Subject: Re: Open-source poses security risks - Da! ' Message-ID: <3CFD66A7.68467DB6@fsi.net>v   Paul Repacholi wrote:p >  > nic <junk@127.0.0.1> writes: > H > > VMS used to come with sources, if microfiche qualified. you couldn'tG > > use SEARCH on them, but a fiche reader was OK. I think the practice2A > > of automatically shipping these stopped somewhere around V4.7  > 1 > 5.5. Don't think there was a -Hn update for it.6  C How 'bout V5.5-2H4? (Later MicroVAX 3100's, model 80 and 90 maybe.)t   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Jun 2002 03:36:43 GMT<2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>3 Subject: Re: Open-source poses security risks - Da!n, Message-ID: <adk10b010fq@enews1.newsguy.com>  ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:S- > finally, someone with some common sense ...a  N Bull****!  Try a group being paid off by Microsoft.  Bob, you seem to like the Inquirer, try this on for size: 8 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25569.html              			Zanea   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:03:07 +0100 . From: Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk>K Subject: Re: Other HP printers and USB (was: Newest version of DCPS and ouro1 Message-ID: <7ESIsKAryA98Ewn+@natron.demon.co.uk>   C In article <210520021534014909%paul.anderson@hp.com>, Paul Andersonp <paul.anderson@hp.com> writese> >In article <acc3rh$h2q$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, Keith A. Lewis ><lewis@PROBE.mitre.org> wrote:c >a< >> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes in articleJ >> <3CE97E59.1083C088@videotron.ca> dated Mon, 20 May 2002 18:53:27 -0400: >> .Q >> >Besiodes, is it true to state that HP doesn't have real postscript, just somes >> >imitation PS ? >> aI >> It's an open standard; HP has as much of a shot at getting it right ast >> anybody.  >t- >Except Adobe gets it more right than anyone.r  C Err, not necessarily; sometimes you just have to provide an option tD to switch from PostScript standard compliance to "do what Adobe do".  * Much the same applies to the various PDFs.   -- a
 Roger Barnetth   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 14:36:37 -0600w- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)e+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image questione3 Message-ID: <pX65W+t07oXN@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  F In article <slrnafq0if.jf9.danco@pebble.org>, danco@pebble.org writes:  9 > However, if you're always calling all the procedures ina< > your OpenVMS VAX shareable image via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL= > (i.e., looking up the address at run-time), then you're nott> > subject to calling the wrong thing when the location changes  C But you lose all the protection against invoking a mismatched imageiC (which can be mismatched in aspects unrelated to entrypoint names).n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:34:05 GMT  From: danco@pebble.org+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image questionw- Message-ID: <slrnafq9rn.jhq.danco@pebble.org>Q  J In article <pX65W+t07oXN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Larry Kilgallen wrote:H > In article <slrnafq0if.jf9.danco@pebble.org>, danco@pebble.org writes:  E > But you lose all the protection against invoking a mismatched image"E > (which can be mismatched in aspects unrelated to entrypoint names).a  B Not for Larry, who already knows all this stuff as well as anyone, but for others who may not:r  J That's what GSMATCH is for.  Every time you change one of those 'aspects',E you also change (increase) the minor identification.  And, of course,eA you do your upmost to prevent upward compatibility problems.  You E don't make references other than entry point references for instance.fB If you need the address of data, you either vector it, or you callD a procedure that lives within the shareable image and that procedureC returns the data address to you, etc.  I know, it's possible to runtB into other 'aspects', but ones that can't be handled transparentlyF in an upward compatible way (with a proper design from the get-go) are( (or should be if you're good) very rare.  B The only time I can recall having to break upward compatibility inB any of my shareable images was when I had to (for some reason thatD I don't recall now ten years later) change the page size granularityG of an image section when porting from VAX to Alpha (from 512 to 65536).-G This was a copy of reference image section.  VEST didn't handle mapping D copy-on-reference sections between native and non-native code in theA same image anyway, so I could not support translated users of them+ shareable image, so it became a moot point.l   - Dano   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:43:46 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image questiono, Message-ID: <3CFD50B2.D05DD9E2@videotron.ca>   danco@pebble.org wrote:  > That's what GSMATCH is for.   T GSMATCH does nothing when the shareable image is accessed with LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:49:03 GMT  From: danco@pebble.org+ Subject: Re: Quick shareable image question - Message-ID: <slrnafqopr.jm6.danco@pebble.org>s  < In article <3CFD50B2.D05DD9E2@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:   > danco@pebble.org wrote:o >> That's what GSMATCH is for. - > V > GSMATCH does nothing when the shareable image is accessed with LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL  I Well, of course not :-) and it's generally not needed when you're runtimeDD activating shareable images either.  However, if you do need similarA functionality, put said functionaility into your API (i.e., add a ? procedure call that returns a major and minor id for your API).g
 No biggie.   - Dan    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 01:11:34 +0100h. From: Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: S-Algol (Was Re: Future architecture)1 Message-ID: <xV1aYjA2yB98Ew2n@natron.demon.co.uk>H  C In article <isrmeuotpqt4npneup3n1fa9j8lp8qhlc6@4ax.com>, Alan Greigt <a.greig@virgin.net> writes. >eF >Which reminds me, anyone remember S-Algol (St. Andrews University). I> >recall they had a VAX/VMS compiler. Wonder if it still exists
 >anywhere.   When did they do that ?   : When I was there it was all SASL and Algol W - I remember 8 inviting the comp sci guys to a meeting with an American8 called Chuck Moore who wanted to tell us about some new > language he'd brought over for us to try out, but they weren't interested.t    @ Oh, and there was a commercial Algol 68 RS compiler for VAX/VMS,A but I don't know what happened to it - the phrase "just fix that -9 bug in transput will you" still has the power to chill...M    r
 Roger Barnett    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:47:35 -0500e. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>( Subject: Simulate hardware failure. How?. Message-ID: <3CFD2767.63E8CD61@pressenter.com>  C I've been working with DecEvent on my PWS. And if I read everythinglE right, it's supposed to be able to monitor the errorlog for problems.   8 Supposedly I can add email user for different purposes.   - Then I tested to see if the email would work.y   $ Diagnose test subsribers  4 For example. And the emails went through perfectly.     G But how can I simulate a hardware failure such that everything would ben triggered to sending the email?P    1 Or am I *Totally* off base with what I'm reading.n     Thanks in advance,   Lyndon       --  G My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of my 	 employer.s    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:54:14 GMTp1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: TCPware 5.5 & CSWS 1.2a' Message-ID: <3CFD64CC.92035B36@fsi.net>s   Patrick Young wrote: > b > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:<3CF83806.D3CAE4F8@fsi.net>... > >hI > > Just one: When the Call for Participation in "DECUS" (HPETS) 2002 St.oJ > > Louis finally appears, would you consider submitting a presentation on > > the how-to's?h >   > That's an interesting thought. > A > I'm a little geographically challenged for that event living in  > Australia. > ? > My short term memory is not that good now - I'd be a laughingiD > stock. I could write something about what I have done, but present > it - I don't think so.  + How 'bout this: you write, I'll present it.i  E All I ask is that you make copious use of the speaker's notes in your-H presentation (they usually provide PowerPoint on Windows). I may need toF conference with you before the symposium if the session gets accepted.  G I post this here instead of sending it privately as a way of suggestingnH that other presenters do the same. Why? See the presentations on the web% at http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/h   Makes better hand-outs, too!   -- , David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:56:52 -0500d. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>1 Subject: TPS and Max I/O. How are the calculated?n. Message-ID: <3CFD2994.5346AD47@pressenter.com>  = I was looking at some information on various alpha servers....  : And I'm seeing TPS numbers, and Max I/O bandwith numbers.   E In simple terms, (so I can understand, and hence explain it to othersh, too. ;-) ) how are these numbers arrived at?  E I'm guessing TPS is more of a tested benchmark, where MAX I/O is more4 dependant on hardware config...      Thanks in advance,   Lyndon   -- oG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myy	 employer.t    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:54:08 -0500h. From: Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com>, Subject: UAF files on Fibre disks and v7.2-1. Message-ID: <3CFD28F0.72B93086@pressenter.com>  E I want to move the UAF and other files off my CI based system disk to + fibre based disks... for various reasons...   G My question is, if I do this, will I need to go into wwidmgr to make myF= ES40s "aware" of the fibre disk? Like I would a system disk? a  A Assuming, of course, I mount the disks and define the logicals in-' sylogicals.com, like the template says.0  E During startup, will the the fibre disks be "available" early enough?wC Will the OS see the disk? and have access to it early enough in theg startup?  $ Or have I answered my own question..     Any caveats?     Thanks in advance,   Lyndon   -- rG My opinions are mine and mine alone. They seldom align with those of myn	 employer.e    H The only good thing about putting the cart before the horse is you don't have to look at the horse's butt.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 21:48:59 -0600t+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)i0 Subject: Re: UAF files on Fibre disks and v7.2-13 Message-ID: <SYmjhf+Kbb1b@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  _ In article <3CFD28F0.72B93086@pressenter.com>, Lyndon Bartels <lbartels@pressenter.com> writes:tG > I want to move the UAF and other files off my CI based system disk too- > fibre based disks... for various reasons...  > I > My question is, if I do this, will I need to go into wwidmgr to make myd? > ES40s "aware" of the fibre disk? Like I would a system disk? . > C > Assuming, of course, I mount the disks and define the logicals inr) > sylogicals.com, like the template says.  > G > During startup, will the the fibre disks be "available" early enough?7E > Will the OS see the disk? and have access to it early enough in thew
 > startup? > & > Or have I answered my own question.. >  >  > Any caveats? >    	Caveats?  Yes.  i  C 	Using foreign storage from the *supposed* largest manufacturer of hD 	"Enterprise Storage" , you can only udid one device.  It treats it 	 	like so:A  @ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/doc/6318pro_005.html  P The console provides a simplified setup command, called wwidmgr -quickset . This6 command can be used in either of the following cases:   , You are setting up just one device.   [Here]  M All the devices you are setting up are accessed through the same ports on the16 HSG.  [Only HSG behaves this way, not foreign storage]  E 	That link says check the wwidmgr user guide.  All you probably need e# 	however, is found below that link.h  > 	All that to say, you probably don't need to udid a disk.  UAF! 	can come later as you point out.u   				Rob0   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:40:10 +0100, From: "Rainer Giese" <waste.not@welcome.net>0 Subject: Re: UAF files on Fibre disks and v7.2-16 Message-ID: <adk87q$11v61c$1@ID-138444.news.dfncis.de>  A "Lyndon Bartels" <lbartels@pressenter.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrago( news:3CFD28F0.72B93086@pressenter.com...G > During startup, will the the fibre disks be "available" early enough? E > Will the OS see the disk? and have access to it early enough in thee
 > startup?  L To give a short answer : It works. I mount the disk in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and define the logicals here too.    -- Regards, Rainer Giese   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:26:02 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>R Subject: Re: VMS to UNIX/LINUX$ Message-ID: <3cfd1450$1@news.si.com>  I >I'm writing(in C++, on VMS) a application that needs to talk to a remoteoG >UNIX box and be able to browse the file system on the remote box , ando( >place files in some specific directory?   From a VMS system here:    $ sho log ampremote_disk3    "AMPREMOTE_DISK" = "_DNFS12:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)m   $ dir ampremote_disk:[000000]   ! Directory AMPREMOTE_DISK:[000000]P  J AMP_SETUP.;1        APEX.DIR;1          DEVELOPMENT.DIR;1   RELEASES.DIR;12 TOOLS.DIR;1         U10.DIR;1           WORK.DIR;1   Total of 7 files.r   $ tcpip sho mounta _DNFS12:[000000]        mounted-,     herk.si.com:/export/herk_00/projects/amp  
 $ telnet herkh' %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 126.20.0.3R1 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host herk, port 233( -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^]  	 SunOS 5.8<   login:  J So you see that NFS-mounting of Unix file systems on VMS clients gives you the capabilities you seek. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comf= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevento< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:31:29 GMTe1 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com.doom>e> Subject: Re: Would you like to see this on the VMS freeware CD+ Message-ID: <3CFD05DF.71EAAF74@hp.com.doom>r  F     I have provided the joystick code and another driver that supports the extra keys on theaF Compaq PC style keyboard.  To the folks who can get it on the freeware CD and the webB site.  I don't expect that they will release the code until V7.3-1 ships.  To restate it one more time..  E     1) These toys are not supported, we have only tested the joystickd driver with two units anH          old Microsoft sidewinder, and a Thrustmaster TOPGUN unit.  This is way to small as?          sample to promise they will work with any random unit.-  F     2) USB support is latent in V7.3- it is aimed at the marvel boxes. On the Marvels systemsF          we only support a single keyboard, and mouse.  Plus compliant modems and printersn%          and USB to parallel devices.b  E     3) You can enable USB on most any of the Alpha systems with a PCI  bus with one opencG          slot.  You need to get the ADStech TurboQuad 4 card, or a card  using the Lucent/AgereD          USS344 controller.  You will also need to add the following line to your start up file"          @sys$manager:usb$startup.  H      4) If you go this route you will be told by the support center that you are unsupported.G          So do not be surprised, I would like to hear of problems and Ie will do what I can to A          fix them.  But they will probably not be my #1 priority.o  F      5) Don't worry there is a VMSstyle keyboard in the works and that is what we willcE          support.  Any random PC keyboard should work but we know arew	 users arei)          attached the LK style keyboards.p   Forrest Kenney OpenVMS  forrest.kenney@hp.com.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jun 2002 14:38:20 -0600L- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: Would you like to see this on the VMS freeware CD3 Message-ID: <ZO58ZExUtOq0@eisner.encompasserve.org>p  _ In article <3CFD05DF.71EAAF74@hp.com.doom>, Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com.doom> writes:r  G >     1) These toys are not supported, we have only tested the joystickp > driver with two units anJ >          old Microsoft sidewinder, and a Thrustmaster TOPGUN unit.  This > is way to small aaA >          sample to promise they will work with any random unit.b  G So extensive user testing would be required by anyone planning on usingo, this in production -- with real missiles :-)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.309 ************************