1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 317       Contents:4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W)4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W)4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W)4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W)# Re: AlphaServer DS20L with OpenVMS? 3 Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't be finished 3 Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't be finished B Re: Carly as a speaker (was - RE: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday)B Re: Carly as a speaker (was - RE: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday)= Re: China to launch cyber attacks soon, be on VMS or bye-bye! # Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER P Re: ES-40 slower than AS-4100 was Re: Running Test and Production systems on difP Re: ES-40 slower than AS-4100 was Re: Running Test and Production systems on dif Happiness is...  Re: Happiness is...  Re: Happiness is... $ Re: HP Alphaservers and Lan Consoles$ Re: HP Alphaservers and Lan Consoles$ Re: HP Alphaservers and Lan Consoles& Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading& Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading& Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in ReadingG Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)  UWSS and inner mode durability Re: VMS Monitoring a User . WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?2 Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?2 Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?2 Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 13:03:40 -0400  From: Everhart <ge@gce.com> = Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) & Message-ID: <3D0238EC.5060806@gce.com>  I There is a hacky system I put together that talks to the device (dvd, cd, K whatever) via io$_diagnose and presents the results to VMS as a disk. Mind, H it is not as good as it should be at error recovery and does not supportH mount verify (I'm working on the former) but the storage can be accessedM with buffering in the app that talks to the driver. I'll put it on the spring G 2002 sigtapes (due soon) but can make it available elsewhere if someone 4 wants it. Eberhard has a copy from not too long ago.  H As long as there is a dkdriver or gkdriver that supports io$_diagnose toI send SCSI packets, this can be used. It is not as fast as native dkdriver F but will work with gadgets that dkdriver cannot get along with. I haveH a hacked dkdriver too, but that stopped working when I tried it with VMSE 7.3-1; seems that parts of the port-class interface have been changed D and I have not found docs of what was done so I cannot tell for sureF whether a class driver that worked in vms 7.2 and in even betas of vmsG 7.3 can be made to work again. (Anyone who knows I would very much like  to hear from.)   Glenn Everhart everhart@gce.com   Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:K > In article <TeHShexrKZ42@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > (Larry Kilgallen) writes: 1 > |>In article <3d00655f.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>, I > |>vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  > |>> 9 > |>> In article <w6i7Z$JkH1J3@eisner.encompasserve.org>,  > |>Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > |>> (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > |>J > |>> |>But how would I read files back from that DVD onto VMS ?  VMS does' > |>> |>not have DVD support, does it ?  > |>> |> > |>>  > |>> Support? > |>> L > |>> The DQDRIVER comes with the FREEWARE V5.0 CD. That means "no support". > |>K > |>That is the source.  But the compiled code is also part of VMS, right ?  > |>* > |>> But read the header of the dqdriver: > |>L > |>> /*      This driver controls a standard IDE/ATA/EIDE r/w disk          > |>*/M > |>> /*        or an ATAPI CD-/DVD-ROM drive.                                 > |>|>
 > |>Good ! > |>F > |>> You can mount a DVD written  with a Pioneer DVR-A103 DVD-Burner. > |>F > |>Yeah, the Pioneer web site does not seem to like secured browsers. > |>; > |>> The Pionner drive simply behaves like a  (big) CDROM.  > |>& > |>Understood, once the driver works. > |> > |>> H > |>> This works for all Alphastations with an IDE-Interface. There is aH > |>> command procedure in der dqdriver-directory that helps to activateL > |>> the dqdriver after the system is up. That means, that on some machinesK > |>> you cannot boot, but if OpenVMS is up, you can read (and write) DVDs.  > |>> = > |>> If you have no IDE-Interface that's a different story.   > |>> C > |>> Either you need a DVD-drive with a 512-block-I/O jumper, then  > |>  > |>Please post if you find one. > |> > H > I'm in contact with someone, who has done this. So be patient, please. > 
 > eberhard >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:36:38 GMT ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> = Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) & Message-ID: <3D023D87.3060300@qsl.net>  F DKDRIVER got a major update to handle FASTPATH I/O and some other new H features, also I think some timing bugs were fixed where the driver was G reading values from deallocated buffers.  Once the I/O got fast enough   some of this stuff showed up.   5 Tom Provost is the major keeper of SCSI/DKDRIVER now.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only      Everhart wrote: K > There is a hacky system I put together that talks to the device (dvd, cd, M > whatever) via io$_diagnose and presents the results to VMS as a disk. Mind, J > it is not as good as it should be at error recovery and does not supportJ > mount verify (I'm working on the former) but the storage can be accessedI > with buffering in the app that talks to the driver. I'll put it on the   > springI > 2002 sigtapes (due soon) but can make it available elsewhere if someone 6 > wants it. Eberhard has a copy from not too long ago. > J > As long as there is a dkdriver or gkdriver that supports io$_diagnose toK > send SCSI packets, this can be used. It is not as fast as native dkdriver H > but will work with gadgets that dkdriver cannot get along with. I haveJ > a hacked dkdriver too, but that stopped working when I tried it with VMSG > 7.3-1; seems that parts of the port-class interface have been changed F > and I have not found docs of what was done so I cannot tell for sureH > whether a class driver that worked in vms 7.2 and in even betas of vmsI > 7.3 can be made to work again. (Anyone who knows I would very much like  > to hear from.) >  > Glenn Everhart > everhart@gce.com >   > Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > L >> In article <TeHShexrKZ42@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net >> (Larry Kilgallen) writes:2 >> |>In article <3d00655f.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>,J >> |>vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:> >> |>> |>> In article <w6i7Z$JkH1J3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, >> |>Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  >> |>> (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >> |> K >> |>> |>But how would I read files back from that DVD onto VMS ?  VMS does ( >> |>> |>not have DVD support, does it ?	 >> |>> |>  >> |>> |>> Support? H >> |>> |>> The DQDRIVER comes with the FREEWARE V5.0 CD. That means "no  >> support". >> |> L >> |>That is the source.  But the compiled code is also part of VMS, right ? >> |> + >> |>> But read the header of the dqdriver:  >> |> @ >> |>> /*      This driver controls a standard IDE/ATA/EIDE r/w  >> disk         |>*/) >> |>> /*        or an ATAPI CD-/DVD-ROM  , >> drive.                               |>|> >> |>Good !  >> |> G >> |>> You can mount a DVD written  with a Pioneer DVR-A103 DVD-Burner.  >> |> G >> |>Yeah, the Pioneer web site does not seem to like secured browsers.  >> |> < >> |>> The Pionner drive simply behaves like a  (big) CDROM. >> |> ' >> |>Understood, once the driver works.  >> |> I >> |>> |>> This works for all Alphastations with an IDE-Interface. There   >> is a I >> |>> command procedure in der dqdriver-directory that helps to activate E >> |>> the dqdriver after the system is up. That means, that on some   >> machines L >> |>> you cannot boot, but if OpenVMS is up, you can read (and write) DVDs.J >> |>> |>> If you have no IDE-Interface that's a different story. |>> |>> @ >> Either you need a DVD-drive with a 512-block-I/O jumper, then >> |> ! >> |>Please post if you find one.  >> |>  >>I >> I'm in contact with someone, who has done this. So be patient, please.  >> >> eberhard  >> >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:00:43 GMT - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> = Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) * Message-ID: <3D02432D.1040902@qsl.network>   Everhart wrote: J > As long as there is a dkdriver or gkdriver that supports io$_diagnose toK > send SCSI packets, this can be used. It is not as fast as native dkdriver H > but will work with gadgets that dkdriver cannot get along with. I haveJ > a hacked dkdriver too, but that stopped working when I tried it with VMSG > 7.3-1; seems that parts of the port-class interface have been changed F > and I have not found docs of what was done so I cannot tell for sureH > whether a class driver that worked in vms 7.2 and in even betas of vmsI > 7.3 can be made to work again. (Anyone who knows I would very much like  > to hear from.)  I The dkdriver for 7.3-1 has many performance improvements and was changed  E quite a bit.  Some of those improvements required more communication   with the port layers.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 15:22:16 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) 3 Message-ID: <cYV$B2nxbYhA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <3d01c7eb.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>, vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  > K > In article <jXT7wXlacvMe@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net  > (Larry Kilgallen) writes: 1 > |>In article <3d00bb4c.0@news.uni-konstanz.de>, I > |>vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) writes:  > |>A > |>> |>> If you have no IDE-Interface that's a different story.  
 > |>> |>> G > |>> |>> Either you need a DVD-drive with a 512-block-I/O jumper, then  > |>> |>$ > |>> |>Please post if you find one. > |>> |> > |>> L > |>> I'm in contact with someone, who has done this. So be patient, please. > |>D > |>Don't worry about me.  I am quite patient.  I have lots of time.@ > |>Sitting around to change discs while backing up to CDROM :-) > |> > A > Think about that: due to the sevenfold capacity of a DVD-RW you 9 > have much more time left, to do more meaningful things.   C So how much do DVD-R drives cost ?  The web pages to which you link < from your web site don't work for me from a secured browser.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:55:04 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> , Subject: Re: AlphaServer DS20L with OpenVMS?, Message-ID: <3D025307.15762464@videotron.ca>   Jeremy Begg wrote:P > I see that HP have just released the AlphaServer DS20L -- a 1RU dual-processor
 > machine.  I This was discussed before. This was a custom model designed for a telecom M company whose original needs were big enough to warrant a custum config. They K only wanted Unix so the motherboard (which originated from Alpha Processors N Inc, not Compaq) wasn't loaded with the special spices that allow VMS to boot.  N Now, it seems that they are making the machine available more widely. (PerhapsJ because the telecom company that had ordered them can't afford to buy them anymore ???? )   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:58:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> < Subject: Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't be finished, Message-ID: <3D0253D2.C2306C3D@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J > Might there be room for HP to sue Gartner? (I realize you're not a legal% > expert - speculation will suffice.)   N If the possible losses Mr Shannon is alluding to result in the customer buyingJ HP-UX or Wintel, or even Linux on HP hardware, then it is doubtful that HPF would sue. Rememeber Stallard's original memo ? That is what HP wants.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 15:30:58 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Another analyst says VMS port won't be finished3 Message-ID: <quRckBKYxp9v@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D023C63.620C8F61@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   J > Might there be room for HP to sue Gartner? (I realize you're not a legal% > expert - speculation will suffice.)   7 Please, comp.os.vms needs _less_ speculation, not more.   E But this item needs no speculation.  The nature of US law is that one G can always sue.  There is no certainty regarding the success of a suit.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 15:00:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> K Subject: Re: Carly as a speaker (was - RE: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday) , Message-ID: <3D025431.7CBCE8E3@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:F > I'm sure it helps alot, but I'd disagree about the requirement. I'veF > seen many successful, highly regarded exec.'s (not to mention publicD > figures) who can't talk their way out of a wet paper bag without a > pre-written speech.    How do they handle meetings ?   M Or do you mean that they are just inept when speaking on a podium in front on  thousands ?    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 16:48 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) K Subject: Re: Carly as a speaker (was - RE: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday) , Message-ID: <8JUN200216484826@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...  }David Mathog wrote:> }> She could orate like Jesse Jackson, sing like Jesse Norman,< }> and run like Jesse Owens and it _still_ wouldn't indicate; }> that she had the ability to manage a large multinational  }> corporation.  } O }In all fairness, the CEO of a company MUST be a good leader, and must have the / }skills to communicate and convince the troops.   J I disagree. They don't need to be able to convince the troops of anything.L If they have to *convince* the troops, then clearly they are doing somethingJ wrong - specifically, they are not running the company based on plans thatG are believable in and of themselves. In such a case, they are not doing ( a good job and should probably be fired.  D What the CEO of a company must be is capable of coming up with plansC that will work and of providing people with the information that is ) the plan in a clear and efficient manner.   ? The problem today is that there seem to be more CEOs that match C your concept of what they should be than their are that match mine. D "Your" CEOs convince people of things, usually involving paying themD large sums of money no matter how well they and the company perform.< "My" CEOs actually run the company well, or at least try to.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:05:04 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>F Subject: Re: China to launch cyber attacks soon, be on VMS or bye-bye!@ Message-ID: <20020608230504.45360.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>  ' May be brazilians ! ! ! We are bad !!!!   , It depends on the economics power ! This is 0 why Canadian Bombardier wanted sanctions against0 brazilian Embraer or our steel cannot enter with- compettive prices in USA, or our agriculture  & products are being stopped in Europe ! Economy, just this !     Regards    FC  3 --- Roger Barnett <roger@natron.demon.co.uk> wrote:  > In article4 > <d7791aa1.0205310937.1df2b150@posting.google.com>, > Bob ' > Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> writes 5 > >if you are not on VMS, this should scare you, esp. 
 > the last1 > >paragraph for all you freebie os promoters ...  > >  > >  > >Chinese preparing > >new cyber-attacks3 > >U.S. defense, civilian computer networks at risk  > >  > 5 > Hmm, IIRC the Chinese government recently announced 
 > they had4 > decided against using Microsoft products. I wonder
 > if we'll3 > be seeing stories about the perfidious Germans in  > the next   > few weeks. >    >  > Roger Barnett  > 3 > "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NTu
 > v8.0 to be"  > Compaq Web Site, 22-Sep-1998 >      =====: ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilg fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?0 Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.comS   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 17:23 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)s, Subject: Re: DEFINE/LOG/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER, Message-ID: <8JUN200217231650@gerg.tamu.edu>  5 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes...LG }By that reasoning, DEASSIGN of *ANY* logical name without specifying a F }table should succeed, as long as the logical name can be found in any5 }table indicated by the LNM$FILE_DEV search list, no?s }David J. Dachtera  @ Nope. The /PROCESS qualifier is the default (it says as much in @ HELP DEASSIGN/PROCESS). There is no way to use it without havingF it apply to some specific table - if you specify none, it is identical$ in operation to specifying /PROCESS.  @ Interestingly, this is apparently not done by the DCL parsing ofD the command but rather internally in the programming of the command.E You can see this by looking at the SYS$UPDATE:DCLINT.CLD file - there 3 is no "default" keyword on the "process" qualifier.O   --- Carl   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:59:58 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Re: ES-40 slower than AS-4100 was Re: Running Test and Production systems on difR@ Message-ID: <20020608225958.81875.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>   Andrew  - I dont know anything about the EMC blackboxes 5 configurations, but I will forward these questions to " the EMC technician at the company.  
 Thanks a lot     Fabio C.% --- Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancye4 <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:* > Are the EMC's the same. Cache sizes etc. > 6 > What physical storage are the EMC's using and how is > it configured in each case ? > 2 > EMC support a number of differant size and speed > drives0 > and for example your 4100 could be using 73 GB > 10,0001 > RPM drives while the ES40 could be using 183 GB  > 7,200i2 > RPM drives which are newer and which EMC tend to > sell$ > if you buy on a cost per GB basis. > 5 > This would give you slower drives and fewer of them  > on > the ES40.i > 5 > Its also important to understand how the EMC drives  > ares1 > configured. The LUN's that are presented to thee	 > servers 6 > are configured using bits of physical drives hanging > off 0 > the back side of the EMC, you may have totally > different  > configs on each system.d > 2 > One may have other servers sharing access to the > same6 > physical drive while the other does not, or they all0 > may share access but one shares with a non I/O > intensiveo > app and the other does not.o > 6 > I would not get too hung up about the differences in4 > FC and SCSI (I assume you mean USCSI) we find that1 > in practice there isn't that much difference in  > total 4 > throughput across both when you are using EMC's as > the>4 > back-end storage. In fact FC can make things worse	 > because 3 > if you have a switch yuo are able to connect moren	 > serversM# > to the EMC hence more contention.  > 	 > Regards> > Andrew Harrison  >  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > > Below my configurations: > >  > > AS-4100" > > 
 > > 4 x 5/600  > > 6 GB > > SCSI KZPBA -> EMCm > > Standalone server 2 > > Sysgen parameters ok. Autogened and checked by > > Compaq .BR SE. > > 5 > > EMC configuration: KZPBA connected direct do the r# > > EMC SCSI port. 10 disks x 9,1GB  > >  > > 	 > > ES-40- > > 
 > > 4 x 6/833 	 > > 12 GB  > > KZPGA -> EMC > > Standalone2 > > Sysgen parameters OK. Autogened and checked by > > Compaq .BR SE. > >  > > 6 > > EMC configuration: KZPGA connected to a Connectrix5 > > FC switch in  specif port just for OVMS machines.s' > > 19 x 9,1 GB disks (mounted just 15)o > > / > > PS: I am not sure about the zoning/blockingr- > > factor. This is configured by EMC people.  > >  > >  > > / > > OBS: The ES-40 was first installed with theh3 > > internal disks (2 symbios 895 each of them with % > > 3disks x 36 GB = total 6 x 36 GB)s5 > > The database was in one specific controller (PKB)r > andd3 > > the applications in other (PKA). We migrated tor > thea > > EMCf- > > after this first installation, had a good  > improvment > > in0 > > some process,but other still slower than the
 > AS-4100. > > 4 > > Other consideration. The programs were developed > in   > > Cobol 2.4. > >  > >  > >  > > Regards- > >  > > FC - > >  > > --- David Beatty$ > <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>
 > > wrote: > > 5 > >>All other things being equal, you should get much  > >>better CPU/ > >>throughput on the ES40 vs. the 4100, so ...R > >>$ > >>    1.  How much memory in each?2 > >>    2.  Number and type or processors in each?3 > >>    3.  Type of FibreChannel connector in each?u" > >>    4.  Cluster or standalone?, > >>    5.  Comparison of SYSGEN parameters?5 > >>    6.  Zoning or blocking factor issues from theK > >>EMC? > >> > >>David R. Beattyt > >>2 > >>On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Fabio > >>Cardosos% > >><fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:d > >> > >> > >>>Good Luck > >>>o1 > >>>We are trying to discover why our ES-40 withk4 > >>>OpenVMS 7.2-1h1 / Oracle RDB 7.0-31 and LP-80005 > >>>connected to a EMC storage  (Fibre Channel) withk6 > >>>zero users is slower than the old machine AS-41000 > >>>with OpenVMS 7.2-1H1 and Oracle RDB 7.0-31. > >>>t4 > >>>The last 30 days were test days... our ES-40 is1 > >>>not working fine  as we expected under OVMS.t2 > >>>We are planning to consolidadte 20 old VAX/AS > >>>l > >>serversi > >>3 > >>>in 4 ES-40. The first one (mine) was the firste > one 3 > >>>to be installed. No sucess. Compaq  and Oraclee > .BR 6 > >>>are researching here but until now we dont have a4 > >>>solution. If someone here as a ES-40 / ORDB 7.0$ > >>>configuration please email me ! > >>>  > >>>s > >>>Regards > >>>e > >>>FC 1 > >>>--- Tom Williams <twilliams@gscc.com> wrote:u > >>> 6 > >>>>We're looking into migrating our environments to > >>>>ES40s, and are4 > >>>>planning on having each box contain two Galaxy > >>>>instances: one3 > >>>>production, one test. Each instance will havem > its  > >>>>own sets of disks,4 > >>>>separate UAFs, etc. Assuming the instances are > >>>> > >>setH > >> > >>>>up correctly, is2 > >>>>there anything that might happen on the test > >>>>
 > >>system > >> > >>>>(hardware or0 > >>>>software) that could affect the production > >>>> > >>system?  > >> > >>>>I realize I'm>6 > >>>>being vague, but I don't feel comfortable having > >>>>production in the 2 > >>>>same cabinet as test.  All comments, pro and > con, > >>>>are welcome. > >>>> > >>>>Thanks in advanced > >>>> > >>>>Tom Williams > >>>> > >>>t
 > >>>===== > >>>==========================| > >>>Fbio dos Santos CardosoF > >>>OpenVMS System Managern > >>>Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > >>>fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.bro > >>>==========================r > >>>  >|5 >>>__________________________________________________  > >>>Do You Yahoo!? 5 > >>>Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup " > >>>http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >>>- > >  > > 	 > > =====  > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil- > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > > 6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!?4 > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup! > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.comi > >  >      =====s ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazila fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?0 Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.coma   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:59:35 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>Y Subject: Re: ES-40 slower than AS-4100 was Re: Running Test and Production systems on difo@ Message-ID: <20020608225935.44907.qmail@web20208.mail.yahoo.com>   Andrew  - I dont know anything about the EMC blackboxes:5 configurations, but I will forward these questions tok" the EMC technician at the company.  
 Thanks a lot n   Fabio C.% --- Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyw4 <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote:* > Are the EMC's the same. Cache sizes etc. > 6 > What physical storage are the EMC's using and how is > it configured in each case ? > 2 > EMC support a number of differant size and speed > drives0 > and for example your 4100 could be using 73 GB > 10,0001 > RPM drives while the ES40 could be using 183 GB- > 7,200e2 > RPM drives which are newer and which EMC tend to > sell$ > if you buy on a cost per GB basis. > 5 > This would give you slower drives and fewer of them  > on > the ES40.  > 5 > Its also important to understand how the EMC drivesu > are 1 > configured. The LUN's that are presented to then	 > serversc6 > are configured using bits of physical drives hanging > offm0 > the back side of the EMC, you may have totally > different  > configs on each system.o > 2 > One may have other servers sharing access to the > same6 > physical drive while the other does not, or they all0 > may share access but one shares with a non I/O > intensivea > app and the other does not.g > 6 > I would not get too hung up about the differences in4 > FC and SCSI (I assume you mean USCSI) we find that1 > in practice there isn't that much difference in  > totaln4 > throughput across both when you are using EMC's as > thep4 > back-end storage. In fact FC can make things worse	 > becausec3 > if you have a switch yuo are able to connect moren	 > serversd# > to the EMC hence more contention.  > 	 > Regards  > Andrew HarrisonI >  > Fabio Cardoso wrote: >  > > Below my configurations: > >  > > AS-4100- > > 
 > > 4 x 5/600k > > 6 GB > > SCSI KZPBA -> EMC> > > Standalone serverf2 > > Sysgen parameters ok. Autogened and checked by > > Compaq .BR SE. > > 5 > > EMC configuration: KZPBA connected direct do the  # > > EMC SCSI port. 10 disks x 9,1GB  > >  > > 	 > > ES-40r > > 
 > > 4 x 6/833w	 > > 12 GBg > > KZPGA -> EMC > > Standalone2 > > Sysgen parameters OK. Autogened and checked by > > Compaq .BR SE. > >  > > 6 > > EMC configuration: KZPGA connected to a Connectrix5 > > FC switch in  specif port just for OVMS machines.r' > > 19 x 9,1 GB disks (mounted just 15)  > > / > > PS: I am not sure about the zoning/blockinga- > > factor. This is configured by EMC people.M > >  > >  > > / > > OBS: The ES-40 was first installed with theL3 > > internal disks (2 symbios 895 each of them withr% > > 3disks x 36 GB = total 6 x 36 GB)h5 > > The database was in one specific controller (PKB)  > ando3 > > the applications in other (PKA). We migrated to  > theu > > EMCl- > > after this first installation, had a goodl > improvment > > in0 > > some process,but other still slower than the
 > AS-4100. > > 4 > > Other consideration. The programs were developed > in ) > > Cobol 2.4. > >  > >  > >  > > Regardso > >  > > FC   > >  > > --- David Beatty$ > <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>
 > > wrote: > > 5 > >>All other things being equal, you should get muchf > >>better CPU/ > >>throughput on the ES40 vs. the 4100, so ...- > >>$ > >>    1.  How much memory in each?2 > >>    2.  Number and type or processors in each?3 > >>    3.  Type of FibreChannel connector in each?h" > >>    4.  Cluster or standalone?, > >>    5.  Comparison of SYSGEN parameters?5 > >>    6.  Zoning or blocking factor issues from theo > >>EMC? > >> > >>David R. Beattyi > >>2 > >>On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Fabio > >>Cardosor% > >><fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:W > >> > >> > >>>Good Luck > >>>,1 > >>>We are trying to discover why our ES-40 withS4 > >>>OpenVMS 7.2-1h1 / Oracle RDB 7.0-31 and LP-80005 > >>>connected to a EMC storage  (Fibre Channel) with56 > >>>zero users is slower than the old machine AS-41000 > >>>with OpenVMS 7.2-1H1 and Oracle RDB 7.0-31. > >>>i4 > >>>The last 30 days were test days... our ES-40 is1 > >>>not working fine  as we expected under OVMS.v2 > >>>We are planning to consolidadte 20 old VAX/AS > >>>  > >>servers  > >>3 > >>>in 4 ES-40. The first one (mine) was the firste > onee3 > >>>to be installed. No sucess. Compaq  and Oracle  > .BR 6 > >>>are researching here but until now we dont have a4 > >>>solution. If someone here as a ES-40 / ORDB 7.0$ > >>>configuration please email me ! > >>>e > >>>  > >>>Regards > >>>- > >>>FC 1 > >>>--- Tom Williams <twilliams@gscc.com> wrote:  > >>>F6 > >>>>We're looking into migrating our environments to > >>>>ES40s, and are4 > >>>>planning on having each box contain two Galaxy > >>>>instances: one3 > >>>>production, one test. Each instance will have  > itsl > >>>>own sets of disks,4 > >>>>separate UAFs, etc. Assuming the instances are > >>>> > >>set  > >> > >>>>up correctly, is2 > >>>>there anything that might happen on the test > >>>>
 > >>system > >> > >>>>(hardware or0 > >>>>software) that could affect the production > >>>> > >>system?  > >> > >>>>I realize I'mt6 > >>>>being vague, but I don't feel comfortable having > >>>>production in theT2 > >>>>same cabinet as test.  All comments, pro and > con, > >>>>are welcome. > >>>> > >>>>Thanks in advancee > >>>> > >>>>Tom Williams > >>>> > >>>t
 > >>>===== > >>>==========================o > >>>Fbio dos Santos Cardoso  > >>>OpenVMS System Managerk > >>>Rio de Janeiro - Brazil > >>>fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brs > >>>==========================n > >>>  >t5 >>>__________________________________________________  > >>>Do You Yahoo!? 5 > >>>Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup " > >>>http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >>>u > >  > > 	 > > =====  > > ========================== > > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > > OpenVMS System Manager > > Rio de Janeiro - Brazilt > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > > ========================== > > 6 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!?4 > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup! > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.come > >  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Braziln fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?0 Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.comu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 19:09:48 +0200s- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>n Subject: Happiness is...' Message-ID: <3D023A5A.3A117D59@Free.fr>y  T ...selling an Alpha Personal WorkStation 250 4/266 and a Compaq Armada 100S on eBay.  I After five days, I had 31 requests for the Alpha against 15 for the Pc.t :-)n   D.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:53:08 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Re: Happiness is...@ Message-ID: <20020608225308.13687.qmail@web20203.mail.yahoo.com>  / I tough you were talking about the French team e0 traveling back to Paris in the World Cup ! :-)))     Regardsu   FC r2 --- Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> wrote:4 > ...selling an Alpha Personal WorkStation 250 4/266# > and a Compaq Armada 100S on eBay.t > 2 > After five days, I had 31 requests for the Alpha > against 15 for the Pc. > :-)w >  > D.     =====i ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilm fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?0 Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 01:18:23 +0200r- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>t Subject: Re: Happiness is...' Message-ID: <3D0290BD.DC850C5A@Free.fr>h  Q Na. They need to win by two goals when playing their next match on Tuesday first.    D.   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > 0 > I tough you were talking about the French team2 > traveling back to Paris in the World Cup ! :-)))   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>- Subject: Re: HP Alphaservers and Lan Consoleso@ Message-ID: <20020608231202.83187.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com>  ( The future of OpenVMS management will be HP OpenView. This is obvious.      RegardsT   FC s    . --- Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote: > dooley wrote:y5 > > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote inI	 > message  >i< news:<20020606193631.61618.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>... > > ) > >>Hi someone at HP Alphaservers/PA-RISCi > engineering... > >> > >>6 > >>Would we have Lan Consoles for HP Alphaservers now > ???i > >> > > 3 > > In the Compaq world the equivalent is to buy an  > "insight board"u1 > > which you can then use to remotely manage thel > server, this alson1 > > has some snmp capabilites in combination withC > insight manager.5 > > These have been available on compaq intel serversh > for some time,2 > > I guess the plan was to put them on alphas one > day?3 > > You can install insight agents on alphas anyway  > (vms & tru-64)3 > > and then use a web interface to manage them (tol > some extent)3 > > I think the software is on the compaq tools cd.-5 > > The HP/Compaq roadmaps seem to regard the Insightb > Manager product- > > favourably.-4 > > Of course if you want reliable remote access all > you really need0! > > is a modem and a decserver :)i > > Phil > 3 > The main problem with tools like Insight Manager,o > Manageworks, and what 6 > have you, is that those products don't know anything > about VMS. You can s6 > see and manage what is available on Unix or Windows, > but anything p1 > relevant on OpenVMS simply does not exist. Ever  > tried to use Webagents  6 > for OpenVMS? It would make you laugh if it wasn't so > sad. >  > Bart Zorn  >      =====  ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazilu fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?0 Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.como   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:17:39 -0700 (PDT). From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>- Subject: Re: HP Alphaservers and Lan Consoles @ Message-ID: <20020608231739.66214.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>   Yes   0 The Lan Console looks like this, but there is no( serial connecttion from the board to the- console. Just telnet to the services port and 3 you can acess the console. There is password etc... / It is a product of the classic HP Risc servers.e   Regardsn   FC  0 --- Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote: > In article >u5 <20020607152432.37112.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com>,  > FabioI+ > Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:t > 1 > >The Lan Console is based in a board (GSP) withh > serial0 > >an lan ports. I installed HP-UX in two L-1000	 > serversn5 > >and this board was default in the config. When they* > >Itanium servers from HP become availble/ > >(HP-UX/OpenVMS) may be it still as a default> > hardware.r > 4 > Well, I'm not familiar with the way the HP classic > servers do it, but so46 > far it sounds a lot like a terminal server connected > to the console. . > That's been available since forever with VMS systems.     =====p ========================== Fbio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Rio de Janeiro - Brazil  fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br ==========================  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?0 Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com:   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 20:48:48 -0700f# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)i- Subject: Re: HP Alphaservers and Lan Consoless= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0206081948.30333d97@posting.google.com>b  ` Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> wrote in message news:<3D0219C3.7060404@xs4all.nospam.nl>... > dooley wrote: z > > Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message news:<20020606193631.61618.qmail@web20209.mail.yahoo.com>... > > 8 > >>Hi someone at HP Alphaservers/PA-RISC engineering... > >> > >>: > >>Would we have Lan Consoles for HP Alphaservers now ??? > >> > > C > > In the Compaq world the equivalent is to buy an "insight board"eC > > which you can then use to remotely manage the server, this also B > > has some snmp capabilites in combination with insight manager.D > > These have been available on compaq intel servers for some time,7 > > I guess the plan was to put them on alphas one day?tB > > You can install insight agents on alphas anyway (vms & tru-64)@ > > and then use a web interface to manage them (to some extent)3 > > I think the software is on the compaq tools cd.cE > > The HP/Compaq roadmaps seem to regard the Insight Manager productp > > favourably.pD > > Of course if you want reliable remote access all you really need! > > is a modem and a decserver :)  > > Phil > J > The main problem with tools like Insight Manager, Manageworks, and what J > have you, is that those products don't know anything about VMS. You can D > see and manage what is available on Unix or Windows, but anything I > relevant on OpenVMS simply does not exist. Ever tried to use Webagents  ; > for OpenVMS? It would make you laugh if it wasn't so sad.t >  > Bart Zorn + We have the agents running on vms and tru64 / from memory the only function available on unixw3 that does not appear with vms agents is the ability 4 to reboot the server! (maybe vms engineering thought0 that this was not a "good thing" to have anyway)8 I grant that there are better management facilities when: using compaq/intel servers, but this is where most of the 6 development effort is going, the best alpha users can 9 expect is a "trickle down" of software when it isn't too ! difficult to port.) While on the subject of remote managementW- does anyone use the Media Robot Utility (MRU) , to access a tz875 mini-library from vms 7.2? Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:59:21 GMTa. From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@adelphia.net>/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading + Message-ID: <3D029B2F.9000706@adelphia.net>u   Carl Perkins wrote:   > bill@cs.scranton.edu writes...L > }The underlying kernel of Win2K is a lot closer to Unix than it is to VMS. > < > No, it isn't. It is a lot like VMS and not much like Unix. >   H Agreed.  I seem to remember that the original NT people were originally  VMS OS engineers?f   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:21:26 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading , Message-ID: <3D029F86.C55070A6@videotron.ca>   re: NT's roots.=  L If NT is so close to VMS, how come folks are so reluctant to upgrade to NT ?D Perhaps Palmer, Curlyt and Carly know something we refuse to admit ?   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 18:28:05 -0700_( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206081728.7828e370@posting.google.com>   [ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<8JUN200216134993@gerg.tamu.edu>...g  > bill@cs.scranton.edu writes...L > }The underlying kernel of Win2K is a lot closer to Unix than it is to VMS. > < > No, it isn't. It is a lot like VMS and not much like Unix. > C > The whole NT family is obviously built on the same basic ideas asdD > VMS is. It also uses fairly similar implementations in many areas.A > Its kernel is not like Unix to any significant degree more thani > VMS's is.m >   C that's right ... it is actually based on alot of the DEC VMS "mica"_C code that Dave Cutler took with him (stole) from DEC to Bill Gates.0> That is where the useless DEC/Microsoft alliance grew from ...B because DEC caught Bill and Dave and their NT w/mica code/comments# right in the NT code ... remember, c  
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     S -> T   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 19:17:15 GMT  From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com2P Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)8 Message-ID: <6bl4gu4d5um964hpm72krdblt1ltekh9e0@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:45:48 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   L >Are there really people at ISPs who put traces on lines to what what people
 >are typing ?a > M >Can a jacker in China "listen in" on a Telnet session I am having between myn' >host in Canada and a host in the USA ?   ? My impression, is  most of the risk arises from systems/routersoD at the ISP itself, ie BillyBoxes/routers/switches that get cracked.   2 f'instance, an enterprising cracker might be able 9 to set up port mirroring on some XYZ switch to tracedump t data not normally available.  8 (I would guess cracking something 'internal' to the ISP   would be half the battle ....)   ) How commonly this  happens, I've no idea.f  2 And then, there's the US secret-police with their  'Carnivore' logging systems ...f   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 12:34:55 -0700 " From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)' Subject: UWSS and inner mode durabilityh= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0206081134.4fafff07@posting.google.com>e   OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.3 (Alpha)   ? I am looking at putting together a UWSS that is centered aroundpC SYS$ENQ (LCK$M_SYSTEM). I'd like the caller to be able to specify ah
 blocking ast.n  C Anyway... I'm looking at the OpenVMS calling standard, the compilerhC listing from a small C program, and trying to match that up to whath; seems to be (not) happening running in the debugger. Given:f      int (*funcptr)( ) = &func;e  D I'm expecting the quadword "at" funcptr to look like a dsc$k_class_p@ descriptor pointing to a "stack frame procedure descriptor" (andE thinking that I'll probe that quadword and the 32 - 48 bytes to which B it, the class P descriptor, points). Turns out the quadword livingF "at" funcptr looks more like an aligned bit string descriptor with theF bit string living off in system space. Am I missing something here andA if so what should I be doing to verify usermode access to what is % passed as the "blocking ast address?"   ? (2) "Usermode stuff" doesn't survive process rundown. Fine. I'mKD jumping into exec, assuming a usermode lock (LCK$M_SYSTEM), hence on@ image rundown said lock goes away... Based on a small example itF doesn't so I must be misunderstanding exactly what the docs are sayingB (usermode lock assumed at usermode isn't the same as usermode lockC assumed at exec mode). When the image terminates I want the lock toTC "go away." Can I (while in exec mode) grab some space with $EXPREG, C load the lock block in there, then call $DCLEXH expecting the (exechF mode) handler to (if the lock is still held by the process) release itC and the space grabbed with $EXPREG or will the space I grabbed withhD $EXPREG be "gone" for some reason by the time the rundown handler is invoked?   Joei   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:55:46 -0400  From: Everhart <ge@gce.com>o" Subject: Re: VMS Monitoring a User& Message-ID: <3D023712.7070402@gce.com>  D There was a driver some time back called lpdriver or some such whichA allowed one to monitor one terminal device (tt class device) from 3 another VMS terminal. It also appeared on sigtapes. = It was written for alpha, and was recent enough to know aboutp' step 2 drivers etc., so may still work.e   Jesse Chambless wrote:B > You could also change the login.com procedure to perform a set hH > 0/log=logfilename.  This would make the user log in twice however.  IfG > you want to be sneaky, then look to some product such as PointSecure.2 >  > j > spammitplease@yahoo.co.in (Ab) wrote in message news:<9f100812.0206070001.9ffd7ac@posting.google.com>... >  >>Hi AllE >>  We have OpenVMS 6.2 .. want to monitor a user for the commands he  >>executes.dE >> We have a problem with some privileged user logging in and killingzG >>other logins (other users logged in are automatically logged out). WeHC >>want to monitor that user and create logs of the commands that hesF >>executes with time information. Is there any VMS utility that allows >>us to do this. >> Thanks in Advance >> >>  Ab >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 19:03:34 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> 7 Subject: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible? ' Message-ID: <3D0238E5.E0AA19CE@Free.fr>e  L Trying to build version 7.2.2 of WASD for my Alpha running 7.3, I copied theN HTROOT722.ZIP and the HTROOT722-AXP.ZIP archives and successfully (?) unzipped4 them with UNZIP 5.2 then I tried to build it. I got:   DTL02> @install   ( %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned: %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_1  C WASD VMS Hypertext Services, Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Mark G.Daniel.oJ This package (all associated programs), comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.= This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute itiB under the conditions of the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE, version 2.  2 --- INSTALL WASD VMS HYPERTEXT SERVICES v7.2.2 ---  J All sections may be individually declined before making any modifications.N In this sense the install may be undertaken step-by-step or sections repeated.M The first section is COMPILING/LINKING, after which you will be able to quit.aF In a mixed architecture cluster (including both Alpha and VAX systems). the compile/link section must be done on both!   --- BUILD EXECUTABLES ---a  @ | Package executables must be built.  This can be done two ways.I |   1. Compiling from source, then linking.       Respond: "Compile+link"_A |   2. Linking separate package object modules.   Respond: "Link"i? |   or skip this step                             Respond: "No"h | Build executables? | 
 [No]: link  
 --- HTTPD ---= Building for "AXP" architecturet Without SSL  $! $ LINK /NOTRACE -r    /EXECUTABLE=HT_EXE:HTTPD.EXE -)   HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD]LINK_AXP.OPT/OPTIONS=
 IDENT="7.2.2"  [.OBJ_AXP]Admin_ [.OBJ_AXP]Auth [.OBJ_AXP]AuthAgent_ [.OBJ_AXP]AuthCacheo [.OBJ_AXP]AuthConfig [.OBJ_AXP]AuthHTA  [.OBJ_AXP]AuthHTL  [.OBJ_AXP]AuthIdenta [.OBJ_AXP]AuthVMS  [.OBJ_AXP]Basic= [.OBJ_AXP]Cache=
 [.OBJ_AXP]CGIa
 [.OBJ_AXP]CLIp [.OBJ_AXP]Config [.OBJ_AXP]Control-
 [.OBJ_AXP]Dclp [.OBJ_AXP]DECnet [.OBJ_AXP]Descr=
 [.OBJ_AXP]Dir_ [.OBJ_AXP]Digest [.OBJ_AXP]Error_
 [.OBJ_AXP]FAOo [.OBJ_AXP]File [.OBJ_AXP]FileDott [.OBJ_AXP]GraphW [.OBJ_AXP]HTAdminf [.OBJ_AXP]HTTPdo [.OBJ_AXP]IsMap- [.OBJ_AXP]Logging  [.OBJ_AXP]MapUrl
 [.OBJ_AXP]MD5  [.OBJ_AXP]Menu
 [.OBJ_AXP]Msgi
 [.OBJ_AXP]Nete
 [.OBJ_AXP]ODS: [.OBJ_AXP]Personae [.OBJ_AXP]Proxy5 [.OBJ_AXP]ProxyCache [.OBJ_AXP]ProxyMaint
 [.OBJ_AXP]Puta [.OBJ_AXP]Requesta [.OBJ_AXP]Service  [.OBJ_AXP]SeSoLa
 [.OBJ_AXP]SSId [.OBJ_AXP]StmLFt [.OBJ_AXP]Support  [.OBJ_AXP]Throttle [.OBJ_AXP]Track-
 [.OBJ_AXP]Upd- [.OBJ_AXP]Version, [.OBJ_AXP]VM [.OBJ_AXP]Watch)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 1 is illegal  s (65.) Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 2 is illegal  o (18432.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 3 is illegal    (0.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 4 is illegal  a (21028.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 5 is illegal  s (17473.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 6 is illegal  = (0.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 7 is illegal  p (0.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 8 is illegal  _ (0.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 9 is illegal  w (0.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 10 is illegal 0  (0.)rQ %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 11 is illegal -  (8833.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 12 is illegal    (8961.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 13 is illegal t  (9057.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 14 is illegal -  (8737.)Q %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 15 is illegal c  (8769.)E %LINK-W-READERR, error reading HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;108 -RMS-W-RTB, 8506 byte record too large for user's buffer   ../..a   The ana/rms sez:   RMS FILE ATTRIBUTESs  %         File Organization: sequentialr          Record Format: stream-LF+         Record Attributes:  carriage-returne         Maximum Record Size: 0         Longest Record: 064         Blocks Allocated: 45, Default Extend Size: 0-         End-of-File VBN: 37, Offset: %X'00B2'n!         File Monitoring: disabled          Global Buffer Count: 0> ***  VBN 37:  Last stream record does not contain a delimiter.5 Unrecoverable error encountered in structure of file.o  
 for all .OBJ.    D. -- n2   ------------------------------------------------2 MORANDI Consultants  http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr0   19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France.2 Tel.: +33 (0)6 7983 6418 - Fax: +33 (0)5 6154 19282 OpenVMS, APPLE, Computer Security, Migration plans2 --------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jun 2002 17:14 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)c; Subject: Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?h, Message-ID: <8JUN200217142460@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> writes...a }The ana/rms sez:e }  }RMS FILE ATTRIBUTES } ! }        Record Format: stream-LFp, }        Record Attributes:  carriage-return    @ These are not the normal format and attributes of an object file' for any version of VMS on VAX or Alpha.   ? }***  VBN 37:  Last stream record does not contain a delimiter.e6 }Unrecoverable error encountered in structure of file.  A Which means that they are presumably not really stream-LF either.'   }D.   A How did you get these files, were they unzipped on the VMS system using the VMS version of unzip?y   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 01:17:02 +0200=- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>_; Subject: Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible? ' Message-ID: <3D02906D.10088789@Free.fr>.   Carl Perkins wrote:- > C > How did you get these files, were they unzipped on the VMS system ! > using the VMS version of unzip?   P yes, they were, and it is even stated on the WASD main page that they wer ZIPPEDO on VMS. I already installed this product many times on VMS 7.2-1H1 systems withe# the same procedure without problem.o   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 11:55:05 +0930s/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>f; Subject: Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?t. Message-ID: <3D02BC81.7080904@wasd.vsm.com.au>  % Did you use the required "-V" option?m   They were ZIPed usingo   > KLAATU$ zip -h" > Copyright (C) 1990-1999 Info-ZIP' > Type 'zip "-L"' for software license.a@ > Zip 2.3 (November 29th 1999). Usage: zip=="$disk:[dir]zip.exe"   and using this UNZIP   > KLAATU$ unzip -hO > UnZip 5.50 of 17 February 2002, by Info-ZIP.  For more details see: unzip -v.   D I have just experimentally extracted one object module from the AXP 
 archive usingi  Y > KLAATU$ unzip "-Vj" DKB0:[WASD]HTROOT722-AXP.ZIP ht_root/src/utils/obj_axp/wwwrkout.obja* > Archive:  DKB0:[WASD]HTROOT722-AXP.ZIP;1 > F >  WASD VMS Hypertext Services, Copyright (C) 1996-2002 Mark G.Daniel.M >  This package (all associated programs), comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.i@ >  This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute itE >  under the conditions of the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE, version 2. 
 8< snip 8<: >  VMS file attributes saved ... use UnZip 5.2+ on OpenVMS >  >  Archive created 13-APR-2002 >  >   inflating: wwwrkout.obj4   and on this VMS 7.3 system   > KLAATU$ ana /rms wwwrkout.objl >sO > Check RMS File Integrity                      9-JUN-2002 11:41:08.36   Page 1e& > HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD723]WWWRKOUT.OBJ;1 > 
 > FILE HEADERa > 9 >         File Spec: HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD723]WWWRKOUT.OBJ;1  >         File ID: (31722,16,0)y >         Owner UIC: [1,1]F >         Protection:  System: RWED, Owner: RWED, Group: RE, World: RE2 >         Creation Date:   13-APR-2002 06:46:21.05= >         Revision Date:   13-APR-2002 10:54:39.16, Number: 3e) >         Expiration Date: none specifiedo& >         Backup Date:     none posted# >         Contiguity Options:  nonet# >         Performance Options: nones# >         Reliability Options: nonec# >         Journaling Enabled:  none  >  > RMS FILE ATTRIBUTESn > ' >         File Organization: sequentialu! >         Record Format: variableh >         Record Attributes:  >         Maximum Record Size: 0 >         Longest Record: 40887 >         Blocks Allocated: 144, Default Extend Size: 0 0 >         End-of-File VBN: 139, Offset: %X'01FA'# >         File Monitoring: disabledr: >         File Length Hint (Record Count):    -1 (invalid): >         File Length Hint (Data Byte Count): -1 (invalid)  >         Global Buffer Count: 0 >   # > The analysis uncovered NO errors.l >  e > ANA/RMS WWWRKOUT.OBJ  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaidewF   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   Didier Morandi wrote:rN > Trying to build version 7.2.2 of WASD for my Alpha running 7.3, I copied theP > HTROOT722.ZIP and the HTROOT722-AXP.ZIP archives and successfully (?) unzipped6 > them with UNZIP 5.2 then I tried to build it. I got: >  > DTL02> @installt > * > %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned< > %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_1 > E > WASD VMS Hypertext Services, Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Mark G.Daniel.aL > This package (all associated programs), comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.? > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it D > under the conditions of the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE, version 2. > 4 > --- INSTALL WASD VMS HYPERTEXT SERVICES v7.2.2 --- > L > All sections may be individually declined before making any modifications.P > In this sense the install may be undertaken step-by-step or sections repeated.O > The first section is COMPILING/LINKING, after which you will be able to quit.yH > In a mixed architecture cluster (including both Alpha and VAX systems)0 > the compile/link section must be done on both! >  > --- BUILD EXECUTABLES ---m > B > | Package executables must be built.  This can be done two ways.K > |   1. Compiling from source, then linking.       Respond: "Compile+link"rC > |   2. Linking separate package object modules.   Respond: "Link"mA > |   or skip this step                             Respond: "No"c > | Build executables? > |N > [No]: link >  > --- HTTPD ---s! > Building for "AXP" architecture?
 > Without SSLr > $! > $ LINK /NOTRACE -e" >   /EXECUTABLE=HT_EXE:HTTPD.EXE -+ >   HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD]LINK_AXP.OPT/OPTIONS1 > IDENT="7.2.2"r > [.OBJ_AXP]Admin. > [.OBJ_AXP]Auth > [.OBJ_AXP]AuthAgenth > [.OBJ_AXP]AuthCachen > [.OBJ_AXP]AuthConfig > [.OBJ_AXP]AuthHTA@ > [.OBJ_AXP]AuthHTL  > [.OBJ_AXP]AuthIdenta > [.OBJ_AXP]AuthVMSm > [.OBJ_AXP]Basic0 > [.OBJ_AXP]Cache. > [.OBJ_AXP]CGIc > [.OBJ_AXP]CLIi > [.OBJ_AXP]Config > [.OBJ_AXP]Control  > [.OBJ_AXP]Dclo > [.OBJ_AXP]DECnet > [.OBJ_AXP]Descri > [.OBJ_AXP]Dir  > [.OBJ_AXP]Digest > [.OBJ_AXP]Error  > [.OBJ_AXP]FAOl > [.OBJ_AXP]File > [.OBJ_AXP]FileDoti > [.OBJ_AXP]Graph  > [.OBJ_AXP]HTAdmini > [.OBJ_AXP]HTTPdn > [.OBJ_AXP]IsMap  > [.OBJ_AXP]Logginge > [.OBJ_AXP]MapUrl > [.OBJ_AXP]MD5t > [.OBJ_AXP]Menu > [.OBJ_AXP]Msgg > [.OBJ_AXP]Neta > [.OBJ_AXP]ODS  > [.OBJ_AXP]Persona_ > [.OBJ_AXP]Proxyt > [.OBJ_AXP]ProxyCache > [.OBJ_AXP]ProxyMaint > [.OBJ_AXP]Put  > [.OBJ_AXP]Requests > [.OBJ_AXP]Servicem > [.OBJ_AXP]SeSoLa > [.OBJ_AXP]SSIe > [.OBJ_AXP]StmLFa > [.OBJ_AXP]Support  > [.OBJ_AXP]Throttle > [.OBJ_AXP]Track> > [.OBJ_AXP]Upd  > [.OBJ_AXP]Version- > [.OBJ_AXP]VM > [.OBJ_AXP]Watch0S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 1 is illegal  u > (65.)pS > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 2 is illegal  l
 > (18432.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 3 is illegal  w > (0.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 4 is illegal  t
 > (21028.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 5 is illegal  s
 > (17473.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 6 is illegal  o > (0.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 7 is illegal  n > (0.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 8 is illegal  p > (0.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 9 is illegal    > (0.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 10 is illegal h >  (0.) S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 11 is illegal -
 >  (8833.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 12 is illegal  
 >  (8961.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 13 is illegal n
 >  (9057.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 14 is illegal Y
 >  (8737.)S > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1 record 15 is illegal '
 >  (8769.)G > %LINK-W-READERR, error reading HT_ROOT:[SRC.HTTPD.OBJ_AXP]ADMIN.OBJ;1r: > -RMS-W-RTB, 8506 byte record too large for user's buffer >  > ../..n >  > The ana/rms sez: >  > RMS FILE ATTRIBUTES) > ' >         File Organization: sequential " >         Record Format: stream-LF- >         Record Attributes:  carriage-returnr  >         Maximum Record Size: 0 >         Longest Record: 0t6 >         Blocks Allocated: 45, Default Extend Size: 0/ >         End-of-File VBN: 37, Offset: %X'00B2'p# >         File Monitoring: disabledi  >         Global Buffer Count: 0@ > ***  VBN 37:  Last stream record does not contain a delimiter.7 > Unrecoverable error encountered in structure of file.t >  > for all .OBJ.b >  > D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.317 ************************