1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 10 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 320       Contents: Re: 3100/85 scsi base address 4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W)4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W)4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W)4 Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W), Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel, Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel, Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel, Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel, Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel# Re: AlphaServer DS20L with OpenVMS? $ Re: AS-1000A Firmware upgrade manual$ RE: AS-1000A Firmware upgrade manual# Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms?  Can boys have multiple orgasms? # Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms? # Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms? # Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms? * Can children stop playing games on Usenet?B Re: Carly as a speaker (was - RE: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday)# Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday # Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday # Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday # Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday = Re: China to launch cyber attacks soon, be on VMS or bye-bye! P Re: ES-40 slower than AS-4100 was Re: Running Test and Production systems on dif Fibre Disk vs. SCSI Disk) Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!  help with help /message  Re: help with help /message  Re: help with help /message  Re: help with help /message 9 Re: help with help /message (actually with Message codes) 2 Re: Is Polycenter for VMS a good security product?> Latest UNZIP? (was: WASD 7.2.2 download is not HTROOT722.ZIP?)& Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading Memo:  A pleasant surprise Re: Message warning on ES-40 Re: Message warning on ES-40 Re: Mobile printing. Re: No new Alpha sales Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  RE: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP ; RE: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash G Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading) G Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading) G Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)  SAN shadowing question RE: SAN shadowing question sending email to this list2 Re: SSH v2 (was Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS...)& RE: tpc/ip file server for VMS systems UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS  Re: UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS  Re: UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS  Re: UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS " Re: UWSS and inner mode durabilityC Re: visual formatting (was: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)  Re: VMS Monitoring a User 2 Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?< Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most cases< Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most cases< Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most cases< Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most cases< Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most cases Re: xtoolkit error  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:19:27 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> & Subject: Re: 3100/85 scsi base address& Message-ID: <3D04DF9F.2010305@iee.org>   Richard Banks wrote:   > Hi,  > J > I'm trying to find the base address for the NCR 53C94 SCSI adapter in a  > uVax 3100/85.  > L > It doesn't appear to be at 0x200C0000 (since e/p of that address crashes). > I > Apparently the address is available in appendix A of the Microvax 3100  M > System Maintenance guide (part #EK-M3100-SM), but I don't want to pay $130    > just to find a memory address. > M > If anyone knows the addresses or could tell me how to find them I would be   > very appreciative.    - So some meanie told you the appendix with the + info but wouldn't tell you the actual info? ' Were they trying to sell you osmething?   2 2500.0000 - QUART (DC7085) registers ( ends .0007)% 25C0.0000 - SCSI DMA address register ' 25C0.0004 - SCSI DMA direction register  25C0.0008 - int. mask register! 25C0.000C - int. pending register $ 2600.0080 - start of 53C94 registers  $ 2600.00BF - end   of 53C94 registers  + 2700.0000 - start of SCSI DMA map regsiters + 2700.7FFF - end   of SCSI DMA map regsiters   3 The optional KZDDA lives at 21C0.000 with the 53C94  located at 2200.0080-2200.00B0     Antonio        --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:59:35 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>= Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) . Message-ID: <3D04A2B7.19E5B942@mindspring.com>  < Several claims are made in this thread that bear correction:  3   o The claim is made that DQDRIVER doesn't support 9      DMA. This isn't true. For the one bus interface chip 4      where we could actually demonstrate DMA working7      error-free (the Acer), the DQDRIVER certainly does 7      do DMA. It also did DMA on a Cypress chip, but had 9      problems with certain configurations due to a bug in 8      the Cypress chip that interacted with mapping-table9      alignment in certain machine configurations. See the ?      driver source for the gory details. If you don't fall into <      that particular situation, you could probably re-enable%      DMA on the Cypress chip as well.   /   o The claim is made that because the DQDRIVER 5      appears on the Freeware disc, it is unsupported. 1      This was true in the past but once the ATAPI /      features were added, DQDRIVER became fully ;      supported, even though its source is still distributed       in SYS$EXAMPLES:.    2 Also, yes, DQDRIVER is perfectly happy reading DVD6 discs. But most real-world DVD discs are written using5 the UDF file system. Last I knew, VMS didn't know how 6 to read that file system. But a 4.7GB ODS-2 DVD should work just fine.   +                                      Atlant    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 08:17:58 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) 3 Message-ID: <s8tNqwZb4KJA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3D04A2B7.19E5B942@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:   4 > Also, yes, DQDRIVER is perfectly happy reading DVD8 > discs. But most real-world DVD discs are written using7 > the UDF file system. Last I knew, VMS didn't know how 8 > to read that file system. But a 4.7GB ODS-2 DVD should > work just fine.    How about a 4.7GB ISO9660 DVD ?   J Would VMS still expect a 2048 byte Logical Sector Size (an ISO9660 term) ?  H Does the rest of the industry think that 2048 is the Logical Sector Size! to be used on ISO9660 DVD discs ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:36:11 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>= Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) . Message-ID: <3D04D57B.E8AEAC31@mindspring.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  ! > How about a 4.7GB ISO9660 DVD ?  > L > Would VMS still expect a 2048 byte Logical Sector Size (an ISO9660 term) ? > J > Does the rest of the industry think that 2048 is the Logical Sector Size# > to be used on ISO9660 DVD discs ?   < I don't know enough about ISO9660 to answer authoritatively,6 but I know I tested DQDRIVER with ISO9660 CD-ROM discs< and I'm pretty sure not all of these discs originated on VMS9 systems, so I *THINK* whatever we do with regard to block & sizes is industry-standard conformant.  9 I *GUESS* (that's even less authoritative than "*THINK*") 6 that means that while the DQDRIVER, the drive, and the< on-disc ISO9660 file system are busy playing with 2K blocks,5 the ISO9660 File Processor is amusing itself with the 2 equivalent 4*512B blocks and suitably adjusted LBN numbers.  -                                        Atlant    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 12:19:51 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: A dvdwrite(r)-Program: save 4.3 GB on a DVD-R(W) 3 Message-ID: <1$07TUBxWWyQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <3D04D57B.E8AEAC31@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > " >> How about a 4.7GB ISO9660 DVD ? >>M >> Would VMS still expect a 2048 byte Logical Sector Size (an ISO9660 term) ?  >>K >> Does the rest of the industry think that 2048 is the Logical Sector Size $ >> to be used on ISO9660 DVD discs ? > > > I don't know enough about ISO9660 to answer authoritatively,8 > but I know I tested DQDRIVER with ISO9660 CD-ROM discs> > and I'm pretty sure not all of these discs originated on VMS; > systems, so I *THINK* whatever we do with regard to block ( > sizes is industry-standard conformant.  E Yes, while the ISO9660 specification allows for a Logical Sector Size D of 2048 bytes or any larger power of 2, every CDROM I have tries hasA has a Logical Sector Size of 2048 bytes.  I had presumed that the B nature of the CDROM hardware was such that something was "natural" about 2048 bytes.   A For DVD-ROM, I thought maybe some other Logical Sector Size might ! be "natural", but I did not know.   ? The smallest allocation unit under ISO9660 is the Logical Block @ (as distinguished from Logical Sector) and it can be as small asB 512 bytes, although on CDROMs I have never noticed one to be otherC than 2048.  To read ISO9660 from a given device, software must know C the Logical Sector Size, which gives enough information to find the - place where the Logical Block Size is stored.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:06:12 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>5 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel ( Message-ID: <3D045DF4.B092C03@127.0.0.1>   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:  > 7 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message    > > ! > > Perhaps the bulbs have blown.  > M > Not likely. More likely, DEC used some displays that were illuminated, some L > not. Those that were would have used LEDs, not incandesant lamps. The LEDs6 > would have outlasted the service life of the system.  F You'd be surprised where you find bulbs, in applications you correctly assume to use LEDs.   G Displays can be problematic, LEDs over driven by current can have quite  a short service life.   H Anyway I'm guessing about the AS display. I've retro fitted illuminationD before now, and I've used bulbs over LEDs due to the evenness of theH display. Not on Alphas I hasten to add! But if I had a hobbyist one, I'dC probably to it myself getting a couple of flying wire 12v bulbs and C hooking them in to a suitable place to access the standard 12v disk  power.  F You're right though, LEDs (a larger number of) correctly used would be@ the better choice, and, as you say, probably outlive the system.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 01:37:37 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net 5 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel 6 Message-ID: <BpTM8.2255$lh5.1798@nwrddc04.gnilink.net>  . Martin Platts <martin.platts@cdl.co.uk> wrote:s : karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote in message news:<7JUN02.14122520@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>... 4 :> In a previous article, dittman@dittman.net wrote: :>  > :> ->Should the operator control panel on an AlphaServer 1000A :> ->be backlit? :>  2 :> Nope. Neither is the AS1200. The ES40 panel is.  ? : I've seen 1000A/RM (RackMount) systems with it - but no 1000A 9 : Pedestals. Perhaps thats the split between their usage.   D : Unlike recent systems, the 1000A/RM was a different beast than the : un-rotated version.    My 1000A is the pedestal model.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net = Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:22:52 GMT ( From: "Mark E. Levy" <mlevy70@attbi.com>5 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel , Message-ID: <MK1N8.31932$pw3.1074@sccrnsc03>  5 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message " news:3D045DF4.B092C03@127.0.0.1...H > You'd be surprised where you find bulbs, in applications you correctly > assume to use LEDs.   I I have yet to see an LCD display of the type used in the AS 1x00 lit with G incandescent lamps, and I've seen many an LCD display. They're lit with - either LED(s) or CFL (cold flouresent lamps).   I > Displays can be problematic, LEDs over driven by current can have quite  > a short service life.   K One would expect that the manufacturer of the display knows how to drive an L LED. Hint: DEC did not manufacture that display, it's an off-the-shelf item.  K Furthermore, these displays were either lit or not when the system was new.  They did not fail later on.   	 Mark Levy    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:14:31 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>5 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel ) Message-ID: <3D04C257.EBC39FFF@127.0.0.1>    "Mark E. Levy" wrote:  > 7 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message $ > news:3D045DF4.B092C03@127.0.0.1...J > > You'd be surprised where you find bulbs, in applications you correctly > > assume to use LEDs.  > K > I have yet to see an LCD display of the type used in the AS 1x00 lit with I > incandescent lamps, and I've seen many an LCD display. They're lit with / > either LED(s) or CFL (cold flouresent lamps).   G I've no experience in this area with AS series, I've never had cause to H dismantle one. Yet. Maybe if I find one without a backlit display, I may do the retro fitting!   K > > Displays can be problematic, LEDs over driven by current can have quite  > > a short service life.  > M > One would expect that the manufacturer of the display knows how to drive an N > LED. Hint: DEC did not manufacture that display, it's an off-the-shelf item.  D Yup, but I still see failures. I'm being more general here. The nameD escapes me of the display that requires HT, the fluorescent one (notE cold) for example, some so called reputable manufactures seem to have E problems. I'm griping... I'm loathe to bin the thing just because the C display's failed, but it's pretty much useless without. (It's audio  gear).  E Then again, it won't be the first time DEC kit has been the victim of  poor external engineering.  M > Furthermore, these displays were either lit or not when the system was new.  > They did not fail later on.   E My car stereo, I had to replace that cos the display failed, it still G worked fine. It had twin colour lights, both colours went (green first, H then the horrible amber). I've also had to replace all the dash bulbs in& my car, but it is rather high mileage.  F I used PDPs that had bulbs for the register readouts, I also used some? later ones with the new fangled red LEDs. Still octal input :-)    --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:46:27 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>5 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000A Operator Control Panel . Message-ID: <3D04D7E3.9A4938A3@mindspring.com>  K > I have yet to see an LCD display of the type used in the AS 1x00 lit with I > incandescent lamps, and I've seen many an LCD display. They're lit with / > either LED(s) or CFL (cold flouresent lamps).   6 Don't forget Electroluminescent (EL) backlights. Aside6 from the very common cyanish-green (e.g., "Indiglo") ,3 they offer a wide range of colors combined with low ) power consumption and very even lighting.   7 (Someday, I want to find out what the display backlight 6 is on our HP 81x0 Laser Printers. It's a point source,5 but the color looks a lot more like a filtered "Grain / of-Wheat" incandescent lamp than a "White" LED. 3 Yet I also have a hard time believing that a modern 3 printer would have an incandescent lamp in it. Does  anyone know for sure?)   Atlant   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:33:32 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> , Subject: Re: AlphaServer DS20L with OpenVMS?+ Message-ID: <3D04C6CC.F8B8EFE9@caltech.edu>    Robert Deininger wrote:  > # > The DS10 has not been phased out.N# > The DS10 has not been phased out. # > The DS10 has not been phased out.8 > + >   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/ds10/s, >   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/ds10l/ > ? > DS25 will support VMS, but it isn't shipping for a while yet.  > K > DS20L has been talked about for a long time, but AFAIK there are still noSI > plans to support it.  I expect if hears of sufficient demand, they willP7 > find a way to get the VMS code written to support it.l  = And what advantage would the cut down DS20L have over a DS10?rA When I compared nonthreaded code running on a DS10 and a DS20 the08 results were identical.  Basically a DS20 acted like two= DS10s stuck together with fast access to each other's memory.t? And that fast access cost a pretty penny over buying two DS10s.s  ; Which is mostly irrelevant since both the DS10 and DS20 are ? not cost effective solutions for what I do anymore, since I canr* get along just fine with Athlon's and P4s.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:27:18 +0200l From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>- Subject: Re: AS-1000A Firmware upgrade manual & Message-ID: <3D03D646.9040104@home.nl>   Alder wrote:H > The HP/Compaq site seems to have a dead link to the firmware manual I I > want to read before I try upgrading the firmware in my AS-1000A.  I've  J > no idea if I NEED to read this doc, but as a complete newbie I'd better  > be safer than sorrier. > J > Does anyone have a copy of this manual they'd like to share?  It's name  > on the HPQ site is:s > ! > alpha800_1000a_v57_fw_rnote.pdfZ >  > Many thanks, > AlderB >   D It is on the firmware CD's, but I don't have one here at the moment.N But you're right, the pdf & textfiles are no longer on the web site, not even M when you read the directories from a FTP listing. Someone at Compaq has been e$ messing around with them I guess ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:38:24 -0400B' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> - Subject: RE: AS-1000A Firmware upgrade manualMT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF402660758@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Alder,  G >>> The HP/Compaq site seems to have a dead link to the firmware manualhF I want to read before I try upgrading the firmware in my AS-1000A. <<<  5 The links will apparently be fixed by noon EST today.s  C In the meantime, if you would like the release notes sooner, please 9 email me offline and I will fwd the pdf file in question.S   Regardsm  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantt Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Services  Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----2 From: Alder [mailto:PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com]=20 Sent: June 9, 2002 5:59 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn) Subject: AS-1000A Firmware upgrade manuals    H The HP/Compaq site seems to have a dead link to the firmware manual I=20I want to read before I try upgrading the firmware in my AS-1000A.  I've=20-J no idea if I NEED to read this doc, but as a complete newbie I'd better=20 be safer than sorrier.  J Does anyone have a copy of this manual they'd like to share?  It's name=20 on the HPQ site is:s   alpha800_1000a_v57_fw_rnote.pdf    Many thanks, Alder    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:39:26 GMTIB From: "H. McDaniel" <Cut_off_Xs_to_Reply_xxmcdaniel_san@yahoo.com>, Subject: Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms?) Message-ID: <3D042E90.E6BA06EA@yahoo.com>    Anonymous wrote:  J > When I am playing with my 10 year old nephew's penis I notice he has a = > lot I > of little orgasms.  They're not real orgasms, he hasn't reached pubertyrL > yet, although I noticed he has some peachfuzz around his penis.  But when= >  IH > rub it he says it feels really good and he has like 10 of these littleI > orgasms in a row.  He doesn't ejaculate yet, but there's a clear wateryRJ > liquid that comes out, not thick like my sperm, but runny like urine.  = > It'sF > not urine though.  It tastes like amonia.  Do you know what this is?  3 So you're 10 then?  You'll shoot your eye out, boy.4  	 -McDaniel    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 00:59:12 -00005 From: Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]>t( Subject: Can boys have multiple orgasms?7 Message-ID: <6MMAAPYO37416.8327777778@anonymous.poster>n  H When I am playing with my 10 year old nephew's penis I notice he has a = lot.G of little orgasms.  They're not real orgasms, he hasn't reached puberty J yet, although I noticed he has some peachfuzz around his penis.  But when=  IF rub it he says it feels really good and he has like 10 of these littleG orgasms in a row.  He doesn't ejaculate yet, but there's a clear wateryrH liquid that comes out, not thick like my sperm, but runny like urine.  = It'sD not urine though.  It tastes like amonia.  Do you know what this is?   JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>e  - Send me email if you want to talk about boys.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jun 2002 01:06:12 GMT From: zeeaggisman@uogwelf.c.eh, Subject: Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms?2 Message-ID: <ae0u24$bnc$2@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca>  H In rec.travel.air Anonymous <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:J > When I am playing with my 10 year old nephew's penis I notice he has a = > lot-I > of little orgasms.  They're not real orgasms, he hasn't reached pubertytL > yet, although I noticed he has some peachfuzz around his penis.  But when= >  IH > rub it he says it feels really good and he has like 10 of these littleI > orgasms in a row.  He doesn't ejaculate yet, but there's a clear waterytJ > liquid that comes out, not thick like my sperm, but runny like urine.  = > It'sF > not urine though.  It tastes like amonia.  Do you know what this is?    9 It's Mr. Clean .. try putting your contact lenses back in     ! > JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca>o  / > Send me email if you want to talk about boys.   D Another Teranews cretin. Same dickheads who posted 20,000+ copies of1 a 400K sound file to alt.test on my news server. l   Scotty -- Steve Howie					root@127.0.0.1. Academic Services, CCS				(519) 824-4120 x2556 University of Guelph			g/ "If it's not Scottish it's CRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPP!"m   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:46:36 GMTD) From: coroscant@hotmail.com (Christopher)i, Subject: Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms?1 Message-ID: <3d04bb7c.7667460@news.dsl.pipex.com>n  ( On 10 Jun 2002 00:59:12 -0000, Anonymous, <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote:  F Anyway to report this spamming twit to the server authoritys, and stop' him posting to a space based newsgroup?     I >When I am playing with my 10 year old nephew's penis I notice he has a =b >lotH >of little orgasms.  They're not real orgasms, he hasn't reached pubertyK >yet, although I noticed he has some peachfuzz around his penis.  But when=> > IjG >rub it he says it feels really good and he has like 10 of these little3H >orgasms in a row.  He doesn't ejaculate yet, but there's a clear wateryI >liquid that comes out, not thick like my sperm, but runny like urine.  =c >It'seE >not urine though.  It tastes like amonia.  Do you know what this is?4 >s  >JF Mezei <jfmezei@videotron.ca> >d. >Send me email if you want to talk about boys. >u >S   Christopher  +++++++++++++++++++++++++w" "Who shall find a virtuous woman? " for her price is far above rubies"!                 Proverbs:31:10-12    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:32 +0100r- From: "Paul Blay" <ranma@saotome.fsnet.co.uk>n, Subject: Re: Can boys have multiple orgasms?/ Message-ID: <ae2enu$usn$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>n   "Christopher" wrote ...r* > On 10 Jun 2002 00:59:12 -0000, Anonymous. > <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote: >eH > Anyway to report this spamming twit to the server authoritys, and stop) > him posting to a space based newsgroup?-  " ITYMTS 'Any way' and 'authorities'   The answer is variouslyg - yes,5 - [several] someone[s] almost certainly already have,)> - was it really necessary to repost the entire offensive text? and finallya! - see news.admin.net-abuse.usenetB   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:33:07 GMTr: From: "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@earthlink.net>3 Subject: Can children stop playing games on Usenet?tB Message-ID: <DKXM8.6489$Pv2.3303@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  L Lemme guess... the group you are affiliated (and trying to smear a long timeL poster) with is NOT the National Association of Marlin Brando Look-Alikes... :O(   B "Anonymous" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address@[127.1]> wrote in message1 news:6MMAAPYO37416.8327777778@anonymous.poster... 7 > When I am playing with my 10 year old nephew's (SNIP)c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:23:54 -0700i' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> K Subject: Re: Carly as a speaker (was - RE: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday) * Message-ID: <3D04C48A.762CE62@caltech.edu>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  K > My not-very-well-substantiated impression is that the average MS employeeoN > doesn't think BG is God, or always right, or any of that stuff, but (a) like8 > working on stuff that actually gets sold and used and    ok   > (b) like the idea that4 > their stock options might make them actually rich.  E Then they are deluding themselves.  Microsoft profits are distributed @ among employees in a manner identical to that in a classic PonziB (or pyramid scheme).   It's way too late to become rich by joiningF Microsoft as a low level employee.  Go in as a VP and you can probablyA do all right, but like any company, that's way up the food chain.s   > N > At upper management levels they may vie to be as rapacious as Bill & SteveB;M > at lower levels they're just trying to make deadlines, keep their jobs, andn > get more stock.>    E Get any stock, actually.  Remember all the legal fun over Microsoft'siH definition of "contractor"?  It took a bunch of lawsuits to prevent themC from illegally denying various employee benefits to a huge block of  their recent employees.t   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:39:42 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>i, Subject: Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday1 Message-ID: <ae2a9q$ck1$1@fizban.pprd.abbott.com>y  6 I am 5 for 5 with messages to and from Scott Stallard.   -- Dave...D  L Let me make the superstitions of a nation and I care not who makes its laws. -----Mark Twain,  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D01782B.CAE9528F@fsi.net...i > Dave Gudewicz wrote: > >n > > JF,d > > I > > When you wrote to Scott Stallard on this issue, what was his reply tol you? > > You did write didn't you?s > >rL > > If you didn't write then........  but you are entitled to your opinions. >eJ > I've not written only to Scott Stallard, but I did Cc him in an exchangeG > earlier this week. No Read Receipt as requested, no direct reply. Sue0 > did respond, however.  >e > -- > David J. Dachtera7 > dba DJE Systems. > http://www.djesys.com/ >.* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 09:29:37 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young):, Subject: Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday3 Message-ID: <dwgHrVyNJEy3@eisner.encompasserve.org>N  e In article <ae2a9q$ck1$1@fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:n8 > I am 5 for 5 with messages to and from Scott Stallard. >   > 	That's because you are a professional.  My initial impression 	Oct.  1998.   				Robd   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:04:28 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>, Subject: Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday+ Message-ID: <ae2h7a$thb$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>2  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in messageC news:KHQL8.238874$t8_.35896@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...g > Sue, >8J > Here's an idea for you. Scavenge this newsgroup for all the names of the VMSgJ > users who post in comp.os.vms. In most cases these will be people in the > trenches, not the executives.t > L > Pick 10 people at pseudo-random from this group of newsgroup contributors,  K Not quite.  I read this newsgroup because my living used to be dependent onTI VMS, I still think VMS is interesting, and I want to be current should anaJ opportunity to use VMS present itself to me some day.  I sitll do a littleK VAX VMS 5.5-2 and 6.2 work, but I haven't spent any money on VMS except forwI a few spare VAX parts since Digital was in business, and I'm not the onlynJ legacy reader of this newsgroup.  Based on posting vilume, Andrew HarrisonG is likely to get called in a pseudo-random sampling.  This newsgroup is-F interesting, fun, and can be useful, but there must be a better way to identify paying customers.  K HP's prime software is Windows, HP-UX, with some of Tru64 eventually foldedDL in, and Linux.  VMS and NSK will be funded, but don't expect them to get theK corporate visibility of Windows, HP-UX, or Linux.  I'd like to know some of.H what she couldn't repeat in public, but a corporation has good reason toJ keep some of its numbers and plans private.  I think what Sue posted about% Carly's visit to ZKO is a Good Thing.   1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541. scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:08:25 -0500, From: "Tony Scandora" <Scandora@cmt.anl.gov>, Subject: Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday+ Message-ID: <ae2h7e$thb$2@milo.mcs.anl.gov>f  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D007C3C.6BE23ED7@videotron.ca... > ..H > Does HP say thing like "if our PA-RISC customers decide to dump HP-UX, we'llo6 > try to move them to HP branded PCs running windows ?  L I didn't look for an HP advertisement, but I know at least one real HP-UX PAI customer who is seriously considering moving to a ProLiant running Linux.   1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541e scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:49:26 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> F Subject: Re: China to launch cyber attacks soon, be on VMS or bye-bye!& Message-ID: <3D04AE66.AF98B9D@vcu.edu>  ' time to brush up on Wolfenstein???  ;-).   Roger Barnett wrote: > C > In article <d7791aa1.0205310937.1df2b150@posting.google.com>, Bobt' > Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> writest> > >if you are not on VMS, this should scare you, esp. the last1 > >paragraph for all you freebie os promoters ...f > >  > >n > >Chinese preparing > >new cyber-attacks3 > >U.S. defense, civilian computer networks at riskg > >e > > > Hmm, IIRC the Chinese government recently announced they had= > decided against using Microsoft products. I wonder if we'lla< > be seeing stories about the perfidious Germans in the next > few weeks. >  >  > Roger Barnett- > ? > "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be"t > Compaq Web Site, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:46:01 +0200- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>Y Subject: Re: ES-40 slower than AS-4100 was Re: Running Test and Production systems on difn& Message-ID: <3D03BE89.5000502@home.nl>  ' For what it's worth, here are my ideas.D  N First check the firmware of your ES40 and KZPGA. If you upgrade with a 6.0 or T later firmware CD, the KZPGA will get the latest firmware more or less automaticaly.  H Make sure the KZPGA is in a PCI bus with a low load of other PCI cards, 7 preferably give the KZPGA its own PCI bus (if possible)k  K Upgrade to VMS 7.2-2. It is basically vms 7.2-1(H1) with a lot of patches, oL including many fibre and SCSI patches. 7.2-2 will be the only supported 7.2 + version anyway in short time (or even now).v  P Now to the EMC. I am involved in several EMC related problems at the moment, so  maybe these tips can help.  P EMC cabinets have firmware too of course. Make sure it is up to date, there are ? performance related issues with older versions of EMC firmware.   I As others have explained EMC uses rather big disks, and devides those in oN partitions which they call Logical Volumes. A 36.4 GB disk is thus devided in O four 9.1 GB Logical Volumes, and normally you get one of those Volumes. If the rD other Logical Volumes on the disk experience heavy loads from their 7 applications, your application will suffer as a result.   Q Quite often these Logical Volumes are mirrored on the EMC Symmetrix cabinets. In lN that case there are two possibilities: the mirrors are on the same cabinet or K they are on a remote cabinet. If the latter is the case, then you have two tP problems. First reads are done on the local disks only, and not on both members O of the mirror as with local mirrors. Secondly a heavy write load will saturate  M the link between both EMC cabinets, and thus will slow down your application.c  K In your case it seems that the Logical Volumes as such, or mirror sets are sM offered as a Lun (=disk in VMS terms) to your system. So you have 19 Luns or yM disks. You should check the load of every disk, it may well that one disk is a" very busy, and the others are not.P In general this is not a very good setup. Ask your EMC people to offer you Meta Q Devices in the shape of stripe sets. Depending on your situation you could place 3O your entire RdB database on one big stripeset (assuming the disks are mirrored aP on the EMC !). That way you will make the maximum use of the IO capacity of all O the disks, and that is what you want if you're looking for maximum performance.t   Regards,   Dirk         Fabio Cardoso wrote: > Below my configurations: > 	 > AS-4100t >  > 4 x 5/600r > 6 GB > SCSI KZPBA -> EMCs > Standalone server80 > Sysgen parameters ok. Autogened and checked by > Compaq .BR SE. > 3 > EMC configuration: KZPBA connected direct do the m! > EMC SCSI port. 10 disks x 9,1GB  >  >  > ES-40l >  > 4 x 6/833s > 12 GBe > KZPGA -> EMC > Standalone0 > Sysgen parameters OK. Autogened and checked by > Compaq .BR SE. >  > 4 > EMC configuration: KZPGA connected to a Connectrix3 > FC switch in  specif port just for OVMS machines.K% > 19 x 9,1 GB disks (mounted just 15): > - > PS: I am not sure about the zoning/blocking5+ > factor. This is configured by EMC people.1 >  >  > - > OBS: The ES-40 was first installed with thes1 > internal disks (2 symbios 895 each of them with # > 3disks x 36 GB = total 6 x 36 GB)h7 > The database was in one specific controller (PKB) andl5 > the applications in other (PKA). We migrated to theo > EMC 6 > after this first installation, had a good improvment > in7 > some process,but other still slower than the AS-4100.  > 6 > Other consideration. The programs were developed in  > Cobol 2.4. >  >  > 	 > Regards5 >  > FC a > 5 > --- David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>i > wrote: > 3 >>All other things being equal, you should get much0 >>better CPU- >>throughput on the ES40 vs. the 4100, so ...j >>" >>    1.  How much memory in each?0 >>    2.  Number and type or processors in each?1 >>    3.  Type of FibreChannel connector in each?r  >>    4.  Cluster or standalone?* >>    5.  Comparison of SYSGEN parameters?3 >>    6.  Zoning or blocking factor issues from thes >>EMC? >> >>David R. Beattyn >>0 >>On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Fabio	 >>Cardoso # >><fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> wrote:a >> >> >>>Good Luck >>>t/ >>>We are trying to discover why our ES-40 with 2 >>>OpenVMS 7.2-1h1 / Oracle RDB 7.0-31 and LP-80003 >>>connected to a EMC storage  (Fibre Channel) with>4 >>>zero users is slower than the old machine AS-4100. >>>with OpenVMS 7.2-1H1 and Oracle RDB 7.0-31. >>>t2 >>>The last 30 days were test days... our ES-40 is/ >>>not working fine  as we expected under OVMS. 0 >>>We are planning to consolidadte 20 old VAX/AS >>	 >>servers  >>5 >>>in 4 ES-40. The first one (mine) was the first onen6 >>>to be installed. No sucess. Compaq  and Oracle .BR 4 >>>are researching here but until now we dont have a2 >>>solution. If someone here as a ES-40 / ORDB 7.0" >>>configuration please email me ! >>>i >>>k
 >>>Regards >>>u >>>FC / >>>--- Tom Williams <twilliams@gscc.com> wrote:s >>> 4 >>>>We're looking into migrating our environments to >>>>ES40s, and are2 >>>>planning on having each box contain two Galaxy >>>>instances: one5 >>>>production, one test. Each instance will have itso >>>>own sets of disks,2 >>>>separate UAFs, etc. Assuming the instances are >>>D >>setA >> >>>>up correctly, is0 >>>>there anything that might happen on the test >>>e >>system >> >>>>(hardware or. >>>>software) that could affect the production >>> 
 >>system?  >> >>>>I realize I'mt4 >>>>being vague, but I don't feel comfortable having >>>>production in thet5 >>>>same cabinet as test.  All comments, pro and con,s >>>>are welcome. >>>> >>>>Thanks in advancet >>>> >>>>Tom Williams >>>t >>>  >>>===== >>>==========================s >>>Fbio dos Santos Cardoso= >>>OpenVMS System ManagerI >>>Rio de Janeiro - Brazil >>>fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.brz >>>==========================e >>> 5 >>>__________________________________________________- >>>Do You Yahoo!? 3 >>>Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cupw  >>>http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >> >  >  > =====  > ========================== > Fbio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Rio de Janeiro - Brazil[ > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br > ========================== > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?2 > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.comf   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:26:04 GMTg. From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Fibre Disk vs. SCSI Diske5 Message-ID: <0CQM8.181983$305.2428695@news.chello.at>,  D As I watched a discussion between two people with different opinionsD and I have no information yet, to know who has the better arguments, I'd like to ask you:  C What do you think on the advantages of Fibre Disks vs. SCSI Disks ?    Arguments I heard there:  	 Pro SCSI:uO *) SCSI has (at least with the latest technology) better throughput than Fibre. * *) SCSI disks are cheaper than fibre disks  
 Pro Fibre:J *) Fibre has (via better commands on the wire) better throughput than SCSIG *) One bad SCSI disk can quiesce the whole SCSI bus => fibre has betterA 	fault toleranceI *) Fibre will keep the better throughput vs. SCSI in the very near future " 	via upgrade to 2GB and 10GB links. *) SCSI disks are NOT cheaper than fibre disksG *) Some companies (eg. Q until recently) had no Fibre offerings and did9" 	therefor badmouth Fibre solutions  L At the last DECUS Symposium in Germany I saw that eg. EMC has both solutionsI but the bigger ones (SYMMETRIX vs. CLARION) have been the SCSI-only ones.eH Is this a correct or only a very limited view of the current situation ?    L NOTE: I mean the connection from the disk to the storage controller in a SANN The connection from SAN to the host systems are FibreChan without discussions.   TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialisti E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:51:43 -0400i! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> 2 Subject: Re: For all you hobbyists: IDE on SCSI !!' Message-ID: <3D04AEEF.55055D7B@vcu.edu>   < AMEN!!!  hhmm..  now where is that q-bus to scsi adapter????   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > G > Now, if someone would just come up with a way to hook those IDE disks-K > up to my KDA-50/UDA-50 and UD33 controllers I'd really be in heaven.  :-)  >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 06:42:19 -0700/ From: david_awerbuch@yahoo.com (David Awerbuch)a  Subject: help with help /message= Message-ID: <37486a59.0206100542.208786a7@posting.google.com>e   Hello,  J I am at a client's site, trying to get help on a particualr message, but I* can't anything decipherable.  For instance   $  $ help/message/full ( %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 05FD80E4
 $ dir xxx*! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files foundl $ help/message/fulln   Message number 05FD8013s Message number 05FD8023  Message number 05FD801Br Message number 05FD8033e Message number 05FD801Bg Message number 05FD8043a Message number 05FD801B  Message number 05FD8053  Message number 05FD805Bo Message number 05FD805Be Message number 05FD805B  Message number 05FD805Be Message number 05FD805Ba Message number 05FD805B2 Message number 05FD8013.   $  $ help/message/full nofilesy   Message number 05FD8013  Message number 05FD8023- Message number 05FD801B  Message number 05FD8033m Message number 05FD801Bl Message number 05FD8043C Message number 05FD801BR Message number 05FD8053y Message number 05FD805B3 Message number 05FD8013d  O Well, obviously, this isn't doing me any good.  I am not getting any additionaldM text or anything.  Can someone tell me what I need to do differently, or whata might need to be reconfigured?   Tanx,i
 Dave Awerbuchn     ===== 5 David A. Awerbuch,  IBM Certified MQSeries Specialiste APC Consulting Services, Inc.n4 Providing Automated Solutions to Business Challenges$ West Hempstead, NY    (516) 481-6440 david_awerbuch@yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:54:48 -0400.1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r$ Subject: Re: help with help /message2 Message-ID: <3D04AFA8.8051B22A@firstdbasource.com>   David Awerbuch wrote:u >  > Hello, > L > I am at a client's site, trying to get help on a particualr message, but I, > can't anything decipherable.  For instance >  > $  > $ help/message/fullo* > %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 05FD80E4 > $ dir xxx*# > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files foundr > $ help/message/full  >  > Message number 05FD8013o > Message number 05FD8023  > Message number 05FD801Bo > Message number 05FD8033u > Message number 05FD801Be > Message number 05FD8043a > Message number 05FD801Be > Message number 05FD8053- > Message number 05FD805Bu > Message number 05FD805Bm > Message number 05FD805Bd > Message number 05FD805B: > Message number 05FD805By > Message number 05FD805B9 > Message number 05FD8013c >  > $  > $ help/message/full nofiles  >  > Message number 05FD8013e > Message number 05FD8023e > Message number 05FD801B  > Message number 05FD8033. > Message number 05FD801Bd > Message number 05FD8043m > Message number 05FD801B  > Message number 05FD8053n > Message number 05FD805Bt > Message number 05FD8013  > Q > Well, obviously, this isn't doing me any good.  I am not getting any additional O > text or anything.  Can someone tell me what I need to do differently, or whatn  > might need to be reconfigured? >  > Tanx,n > Dave Awerbucha >  > =====d7 > David A. Awerbuch,  IBM Certified MQSeries Specialistc > APC Consulting Services, Inc.y6 > Providing Automated Solutions to Business Challenges& > West Hempstead, NY    (516) 481-6440 > david_awerbuch@yahoo.com    C I would also ask: what are you doing when you get the message? what . products are involved, what VMS version etc... -- 9 Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163R7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.comJ Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)t 704-236-4377 (Mobile)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:50:22 -0400 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r$ Subject: Re: help with help /message2 Message-ID: <3D04AE9E.C2FD399B@firstdbasource.com>   David Awerbuch wrote:- >  > Hello, > L > I am at a client's site, trying to get help on a particualr message, but I, > can't anything decipherable.  For instance >  > $e > $ help/message/full@* > %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 05FD80E4 > $ dir xxx*# > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found9 > $ help/message/fulla >  > Message number 05FD8013  > Message number 05FD8023c > Message number 05FD801Bl > Message number 05FD8033  > Message number 05FD801Bm > Message number 05FD8043  > Message number 05FD801Bs > Message number 05FD8053  > Message number 05FD805Br > Message number 05FD805Bw > Message number 05FD805B  > Message number 05FD805Bu > Message number 05FD805B  > Message number 05FD805Bi > Message number 05FD8013, >  > $n > $ help/message/full nofileso >  > Message number 05FD8013l > Message number 05FD8023d > Message number 05FD801Bn > Message number 05FD8033p > Message number 05FD801B  > Message number 05FD8043  > Message number 05FD801Bs > Message number 05FD8053e > Message number 05FD805Bu > Message number 05FD8013, > Q > Well, obviously, this isn't doing me any good.  I am not getting any additionaliO > text or anything.  Can someone tell me what I need to do differently, or whati  > might need to be reconfigured? >  > Tanx,W > Dave Awerbucht >  > =====67 > David A. Awerbuch,  IBM Certified MQSeries Specialist  > APC Consulting Services, Inc.g6 > Providing Automated Solutions to Business Challenges& > West Hempstead, NY    (516) 481-6440 > david_awerbuch@yahoo.com   Try using this:     G $!---------------------------------------------------------------------  $! MSG.COM - Paul Keirnan G $!---------------------------------------------------------------------7 $! set noverifyt8 $  if p1.eqs."" then inquire p1 "Enter message number: " $  if p1.eqs."" then exitrD $  set noon                                      ! ignore all errors@ $  oldprv = f$setprv("sysprv")                   ! get SYSPRV if possible $  hex_only = 0o $  second_pass = 0G $  tmp = p1 - "a" - "b" - "c" - "d" - "e" - "f" - "A" - "B" - "C" - "D"  - "E" -  "F"o" $  if tmp.nes.p1 then hex_only = 1 $  tmp = p1 - "x" - "X" - "%"h $  if hex_only .and. tmp.eqs.p1o $  then  $    p1 = "%X" + p1  $    goto L1 $  endif $  if tmp.nes.p1 then goto L1u $ L1:w
 $  x = 0 + p1 F $  set message/delete                            ! remove any previous	 message f  iles9 $  msg_fil = "a system or process permanent message file"- $  msg = f$message(x)1% $  tmp = msg - "-NOMSG," - "%NONAME-"g< $  if tmp .eqs. msg then goto L3                     ! found( $  msg_fil = "sys$message:sysmgtmsg.exe"E $  set message 'msg_fil                              ! use this first-
 since it i
 s most common  $  msg = f$message(x)a% $  tmp = msg - "-NOMSG," - "%NONAME-"o< $  if tmp .eqs. msg then goto L3                     ! foundC $  msg_fil = f$search("SYS$MESSAGE:A$$$A.EXE;",1)    ! reset searchr function $ L2:o5 $  set message /facility/identification/severity/textn- $  msg_fil = f$search("SYS$MESSAGE:*.EXE;",1)pD $  if msg_fil.eqs."" then goto L4                    ! no more files
 $  x = 0 + p1eE $  set message /nofacility/noidentification/noseverity/notext       !l
 refer to n	 ote below  $  set message 'msg_fila? $  if .not. $status then goto L2                     ! error one 'supposed' messa ge file - bypass ito5 $  set message /facility/identification/severity/text- $  msg = f$message(x)-% $  tmp = msg - "-NOMSG," - "%NONAME-" @ $  if tmp .nes. msg then goto L2                     ! not found $ L3:-0 $  write sys$output " Message file is ", msg_fil7 $  write sys$output "  ",x, " ",f$fao("!XL",x)," ", msgt
 $  goto L5 $ L4:rH $!  See if we can swap from decimal to hex (or vice-versa) and try again $  if hex_only .or. second_passa $  thene) $    write sys$output "Message not found"  $    goto L5 $  endif $  second_pass = 1 $  tmp = p1 - "x" - "X" - "%"f $  if tmp.eqs.p1 $  thenb $    p1 = "%X" + p1  $  elseu
 $    p1 = tmpk $  endif
 $  goto L1 $ L5:iB $  set proc/priv='oldprv                        ! restore previous
 privileges $  exit.G $!---------------------------------------------------------------------e9 $! The required message number may be entered as either ar< $! decimal or hex string, optionally with '%X' on the front.8 $! The routine is case blind - upper or lower will do.$!< $! If the entered string contains 'a' thru 'f' (either case)@ $! then it must be hex only ('%X' will be added if necessary).$!: $! If no match is found on a first pass, and the input has: $! not been determined as 'hex only', then the string will9 $! have '%X' either added or removed to change the numberf> $! from decimal to hex (or vice-versa) and a second pass made.I $!---------------------------------------------------------------------$!aG $! Note: Some files (e.g. RDBX$MSGSHR.EXE, UISMSGLOA.EXE) fail with the  $! following message:lB $!      %SYSTEM-F-IVSECIDCTL, invalid section identification match controlo5 $! The "set message/nofac..." suppresses this messagecI $!---------------------------------------------------------------------$! D $! Beware... a COBOL program defining a variable as 'pic s9(5) comp'B $! and attempting to display it using the 'with conversion' phraseA $! can get high order truncation. Only 5 digits will be displayedaF $! despite the fact that the variable can hold up to 9 decimal digits.F $! Change the program and either define it as 'pic s9(9) comp' or move@ $! it to a display variable [pic s9(9) or pic -zzzzzzzz9] first.G $!---------------------------------------------------------------------n $! End MSG.COMG $!---------------------------------------------------------------------i   -- . Regards,  7 Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #261163a7 First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.coma Sr. Consultant 704-947-1089 (Office)  704-236-4377 (Mobile)I   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jun 02 17:20:45 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture),$ Subject: Re: help with help /message) Message-ID: <zFuJPk3J5R5a@elias.decus.ch>t  o In article <37486a59.0206100542.208786a7@posting.google.com>, david_awerbuch@yahoo.com (David Awerbuch) writes:e > Hello, > L > I am at a client's site, trying to get help on a particualr message, but I, > can't anything decipherable.  For instance >   / I'll hazard a guess that this is a V6.2 system.    From:px http://groups.google.ch/groups?q=comp.os.vms+v6.2+help+/message&hl=de&lr=&selm=3ueku5%243kl%40gap.cco.caltech.edu&rnum=2   --- start quote ---r  % >I have upgraded two VAXes to VMS 6.2 K >When I type, for example: $ HELP/MESS IVVERB  (or any other error message)  >I get the folllowing: >d  >        Message number 05FD8013  >        Message number 05FD8023  >        Message number 05FD801B  >        Message number 05FD8033  >        Message number 05FD801B  >        Message number 05FD8043  >        Message number 05FD804B  >        Message number 05FD804B  >        Message number 05FD801B  >        Message number 05FD8053  >        Message number 05FD805B  >        Message number 05FD8013 > ( >When I do a DIR/full on the file I get:A >I think the record format is wrong.  such as "longest 0 bytes"?? A >I have deleted the file and restored it from the cd again, still  >the same... >h  A     I have seen this same problem on both an upgraded (from V6.1) < and newly installed V6.2 system.  The problem isn't with the? MSGHLP$LIBRARY.MSGHLP$DATA  file as it does the same thing with < other message files such as FORTRAN$MSGHLP.MSGHLP$DATA which works at V6.1.  >    I've spent some time investigating it and it turns out that> the problem is with the SYS$SHARE:MSGHLP$ENGLISH.EXE file that: comes with V6.2.  Replace it with the VMS V6.1 version and HELP/MESSAGE works peachy.   --- end quote ---        > $  > $ help/message/fullr* > %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 05FD80E4 > $ dir xxx*# > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files foundn > $ help/message/full  >  > Message number 05FD8013  > Message number 05FD8023d > Message number 05FD801Bp > Message number 05FD8033B > Message number 05FD801B  > Message number 05FD8043u > Message number 05FD801Bf > Message number 05FD8053V > Message number 05FD805B  > Message number 05FD805B  > Message number 05FD805B  > Message number 05FD805B  > Message number 05FD805Be > Message number 05FD805Ba > Message number 05FD8013r >  > $  > $ help/message/full nofilese >  > Message number 05FD8013e > Message number 05FD8023c > Message number 05FD801Be > Message number 05FD8033  > Message number 05FD801Bl > Message number 05FD8043w > Message number 05FD801Bk > Message number 05FD8053r > Message number 05FD805Ba > Message number 05FD8013e > Q > Well, obviously, this isn't doing me any good.  I am not getting any additional O > text or anything.  Can someone tell me what I need to do differently, or whata  > might need to be reconfigured? >  > Tanx,s > Dave Awerbuchi >  >  > =====p7 > David A. Awerbuch,  IBM Certified MQSeries Specialist> > APC Consulting Services, Inc.r6 > Providing Automated Solutions to Business Challenges& > West Hempstead, NY    (516) 481-6440 > david_awerbuch@yahoo.com --   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 09:47:43 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)=B Subject: Re: help with help /message (actually with Message codes)3 Message-ID: <nlpMsxDXCJof@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  o In article <37486a59.0206100542.208786a7@posting.google.com>, david_awerbuch@yahoo.com (David Awerbuch) writes:_ > Hello, > L > I am at a client's site, trying to get help on a particualr message, but I, > can't anything decipherable.  For instance >  > $  > $ help/message/fulli* > %NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 05FD80E4  9 5DF is the facility code for a relatively recent product, : since the time the facility codes were added enmasse (V5.4 or so)._  ) 	$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MESSAGE(%X05FD80E4)O) 	%NONAME-F-NOMSG, Message number 05FD80E4t  9 When we switch the facility code to an older one, we get:-  ) 	$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MESSAGE(%X023980E4)m& 	%LJK-F-NOMSG, Message number 023980E4  7 80E4 is a facility-specific code.  When we substitute a1 shared message code, we get:  ) 	$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$MESSAGE(%X05FD1068) 4 	%NONAME-W-COPIED, !AS copied to !AS (!UL record!%S)  > One might expect a newer facility code to provide HELP/MESSAGE= support, but since even the original program (presumably) didS< not provide the proper display of the message, I would guess> the product involved is not installed properly.  The fact that> bit X08000000 is not set indicates this is the code from a DEC< or third party product that is registered by the VMS Product
 Registrar.  = Of course it could be random garbage, but that seems unlikelye to me, given that bits:r   	%xF8007F00w  ( are clear in all the samples you report.& That looks like a well-formed message.   > Message number 05FD8013k > Message number 05FD8023e > Message number 05FD801Be > Message number 05FD8033  > Message number 05FD801Bt > Message number 05FD8043t > Message number 05FD801By > Message number 05FD8053a > Message number 05FD805Bs > Message number 05FD805BE > Message number 05FD805B  > Message number 05FD805Bi > Message number 05FD805Bl > Message number 05FD805Bs > Message number 05FD8013n   > Message number 05FD8013  > Message number 05FD8023n > Message number 05FD801B  > Message number 05FD8033  > Message number 05FD801Bn > Message number 05FD8043E > Message number 05FD801B  > Message number 05FD8053s > Message number 05FD805Be > Message number 05FD8013A   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 01:40:56 GMT- From: dittman@dittman.net ; Subject: Re: Is Polycenter for VMS a good security product?u6 Message-ID: <IsTM8.2257$lh5.2167@nwrddc04.gnilink.net>  & Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:	 : Rainer,!  + :>>> Dealing with CA was a heavy matter.<<<t  I : While I will certainly not argue this point, I do know CA is apparentlytF : trying to rectify their image and pricing issues that many Customers : have had in the past.   I : As an example, I was told a couple of weeks ago that CA has drasticallyyG : dropped the prices for many of the OpenVMS related products e.g. likehJ : what was formerly called DECps (now Unicenter Performance Management for : OpenVMS).   = What is a pain is the products no longer use LMF.  The new CA-* license manager can be a pain in the butt. --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netr= Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:56:36 +0200t- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>bG Subject: Latest UNZIP? (was: WASD 7.2.2 download is not HTROOT722.ZIP?)l' Message-ID: <3D043F93.B4582E92@Free.fr>0  * I used the V5 one from the V5 freeware CD.K Attempting to download the one available from the WASD page gives an error:2  6 "There was an error reading from the source location".   D.   "Craig A. Berry" wrote:u > H > I've had no trouble downloading ZIP files with Mozilla 1.0 on VMS 7.3.I > The problems you have been describing are characteristic of an outdated G > version of UNZIP.  Current is 5.50.  Less than 5.42 is prone to majorsF > difficulties when unzipping archives created with recent versions of > ZIP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:30:25 +0100F( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Readingg) Message-ID: <3D0463A1.A8065B22@127.0.0.1>3   JF Mezei wrote:F >  > Nic Clews wrote:K > > What's happening to the OpenVMS port is that *any* Itanium architecturenH > > system will be able to boot VMS, no firmware, no PALcode, no special > > setting, it'll just go.  >  > Yeah, heard that about Alpha.a > 9 > Will they also make Tandem's NSK boot on IA64 laptops ?l > P > Will VMS support all the types of devices that will be tagged on to a laptop ?H > Will VMS be able to boot off a DVD ? Will it support the special power0 > controller/conservation for laptops ? etc etc. > K > HP has given every indication that VMS is to be relegated to the high endhN > only. Look at the name of the department it is in, and look at the future of > the DS series.  F I think they keyword here is *supported*. HP may well target VMS for aG particular user but we have people that want to be able to run VMS on a = single board computer, and currently do. DVD for VMS is being4F considered, and distribution will probably end up there as well as CD,D Hoff hinted at this at his VMS futures. I'd expect IA64 systems will have a DVD drive as standard.g  A I'm putting two and two together when I say it'll boot on an IA648C laptop. Will they be available? Well even from the novelty point ofgH view, the Pentium 4 is in a mobile power saving version, so why not a 64A bit. W64 or whatever it'll be called will be around, probably, so ( someone will want to carry it with them.  F When you go along to your PC retailer, whatever you pick to run VMS onF it, it most likely won't be qualified by OpenVMS engineering, and thatH is the point. They will not do anything to stop it working but there mayF be some minimum requirements. We'll know those when the SPD comes out.   -- t( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:28:44 +0100n From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com# Subject: Memo:  A pleasant surpriseeE Message-ID: <OF26FEC056.A576E024-ON80256BD4.003323D7@systems.uk.hsbc>   H In an otherwise frustrating and serviceless world I am please to offer aK ray of sunshine. A year ago I purchased a 500Mz Alpha from Island ComputersHH (who at the time did not have the specified 7.2K spin disk so supplied aI 10K spin disk so as not to delay the order) and got it from USA to LondonvK in 2 days. In the UK you are lucky to get a return call in that time frame.e  K I subsequently had a problem with the power supply and despite it being outcK of the warranty period and entirely possible that this was a self inflicted-K wound, David very kindly supplied a replacement part without quibble and asi@ I gathered later handled this from home as he was sick with flu!  H It doesn't get better than this. My thanks for a fine service and if youI want good Alphas from a good company who will provide excellent service -t these are the guys.   F Disclaimer: This is unsolicited and I have no relationship with Island' beyond being a very satisfied customer.M   Paul        ' ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **,  D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. 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  your system.p  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or A  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,8>  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofu?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.,  iD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office r=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly AA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so s3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.v  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:21:45 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-% Subject: Re: Message warning on ES-40-8 Message-ID: <hkr8gusqr4leblhcp47meqqe55irtf1bjh@4ax.com>  D On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:13:03 -0400, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:   >David,s >e >Re: "12V Bulk Warn" >"' >HW problem. Contact Customer Services.  > H >Also, ensure console firmware is minimum V5.5 as it has some additional" >fixes / monitoring changes in it.  F Interesting note about the console firmware. One of our ES45s has been= displaying "12V Bulk Warn" on and off for about 6 months. Had C engineers in twice but both times the error has re-appeared despiteeD part swapouts. As the system still runs reliably and we can continueB normal production with one system down, I'd decided to monitor the problem.   Will check into firmware.   	 >Regards,m >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >Hewlett-Packard Canadar" >Consulting & Integration Services >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax   : 613-591-4477- >Email: Kerry.Main@hp.coms >s >h >-----Original Message----- - >From: David Lee [mailto:phongle@kornet.net] x >Sent: June 9, 2002 7:17 AM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" >Subject: Message warning on ES-40 >m > D >Does anyone know what this warning message means on the ES-40 AlphaA >computer.  It seemed to display very consistent  in front of thel- >displayed lately when I reboot the computer.s >s  >The message is "12V Bulk Warn". >a
 >Thank you >e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:29:04 +0100i% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> % Subject: Re: Message warning on ES-40t8 Message-ID: <4d69gukt4v0fn67rdvtmlkh2bachhln0jr@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:21:45 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>s wrote:   >tG >Interesting note about the console firmware. One of our ES45s has beeni  , I meant ES40s. Running ahead of myself here!     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:57:08 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>! Subject: Re: Mobile printing.s8 Message-ID: <0h89gust5n9feijeduv97ufqc56b2m8nk4@4ax.com>  3 On Fri, 31 May 2002 14:33:35 +0100, Andrew Robinsonr <arobinson@hspg.com> wrote:    >Please could you help?s >aL >I have a number of dialup Laptop users connecting in and using a mixture ofL >Powerterm and Reflection 2 emulators to access a text/VT220 driven package.H >I have been asked if they can print reports to a local printer on their >laptops    J >I need if possible to be able to setup a generic printer queue which will5 >print back to the connected PC to a default printer.!  C There used to be a product called "Polestar Windows" which could do E this. It allowed a user to run multiple virtual terminal windows on aoE VT (or emulated VT) but also allowed a "terminal" to be mapped to theeD printer port. The driver would send the appropriate escape sequences< to allow simultaneous output to the screen and printer port.  F I once worked for a company with some small branch offices, At the endC of a modem sat a VT320 and a printer. When the remote branch dialednF in, the LOGIN.COM started the print queue. Worked perfectly. I did tryF to track down the product a couple of years ago and found a number for$ the author but did not follow it up.  D A quick current web search for Polestar Windows on altavista found a< couple of references to the software but no contact details.  G >I have tried using LPD/LPR queues to do this, as I can setup a default"J >printer share on every laptop. I can get the IP address of the connectingG >Laptop, but I can't feed that variable into the rm name of the printerrJ >setup, although having an queue for every dialup IP address and using theM >variable to call the right queue works, but is very crude & creates a lot ofg >queues.M >Is there anyway of setting up this facility at the command line level, whichgM >prints via IP, doesn't require the user to know anything & doesn't require a! >queue for every laptop.I >I had a search through google & FAQ but didn't come across anything that-K >appeared to fit. I will admit it may be my search abilities need refining.- >- >OVMS 7.2-2- >- >Regards >- >Andrew Robinson     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:13:34 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>- Subject: Re: No new Alpha sales-0 Message-ID: <ae2cmb$kl3$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:u   > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message news:<adqg4m$73h$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > F >>I agree entirely, hence why I used the SAP results to illustrate whyA >>Robs claims that you will need more SPARC CPU's than Alphas arel >>BS.g >> >>M >>>When we did the SAP BM that was the latest version, adjust it by 70% and atO >>>per CPU measure comes out just about the same, 50 users per cpu on GS, 53 on.N >>>F15k. Then we could have a discussion about the shape of the tail-off curveL >>>and the effect of the GS with 1001MHz CPUs with bigger caches which couldJ >>>well put the GS back up there on a per CPU basis. I don,t, can't, claimJ >>>parity with the F15k at its top end. What I wanted to show, and I stillG >>>believe that I did, was that the GS series are not the total failure N >>>technically that Andrew claims. The only competitor I really worry about isF >>>IBM with their p690 - anything else can be beaten - even with a GS. >>>  >>>0 >>  @ >>But sadly none of the none SPECint/SPECfp results show this as= >>I have illustrated. There are no performance numbers of thetD >>type you seem to prefer which show the GS320/160 to be competitiveB >>against, Sun, HP or IBM, you should be afraid of all of them and >>not just IBM.e >>= >>And this is not just a criticism that can be applied to thee9 >>GS series, the Turbolasers suffered in exactly the samee8 >>way. Great SPECint and SPECfp numbers below average on8 >>the kind of apps benchmarks that you appear to prefer. >>9 >>In both the Turbolaser and WildFires there were obviouso6 >>inadeqacies in the system design. The TurboLaser had6 >>a relatively slow and long latency interconnect when; >>compared with other competing systems and having to tradeE7 >>CPU's/Memory and I/O in configs ment that most of the : >>claims made by Digital for the boxes would have required; >>two 8400 backplanes to be bolted together to be realised.  >>6 >>The WildFire problems have been discussed at length. >>; >>Of course on the plus side being bought by HP removes oneb >>of the competitors to fear.0 >> >>J >>>As to TPC-H - TPC counsel against comparing differing database sizes. IH >>>can't remember the date of the GS 300GB benchmark, and I think it gotK >>>withdrawn. It's yet another benchmark where it would be nice to have the M >>>same benchmark on the same day and from current price lists - but it ain'te >>>going to happen.  >>>g >>>b6 >>They do, but there is in practice a good correlation9 >>between say 300 GB and 1 TB results for the same system09 >>and this makes it a fairly safe bet to compare 300 with8 >>1000 GB results. >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew Harrison8 >> > D > of course all of this means nothing when EV7 is in the picture ...> > then Andrew, you and IBM and all the rest get blown away ... >     7 So you don't dispute the claim that neither the 8400 ori7 the WildFire can deliver on the performance claims madec for them by Compaq/Digital.   6 You and Rob seem to be birds of a feather, don't worry7 about the current boxes not being competitive just wait 5 for the next box. This has been Rob's refrain since I85 started posting to this group, it appears to be yourse as well.   Regards- Andrew Harrison-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:00:08 +0100LU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>e Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP0 Message-ID: <ae28cl$j6j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:o   > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message news:<adqeka$6jq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...b >  >>E >>As I said earlier, revenues are down but in our sector Sun is doingfI >>better than the rest. And its the sector that HP are targetting becauseeF >>it has the pottential for higher margins and better access to anuityD >>business. Why do you think HP wanted to develop IA-64 it wasn't to >>dominate the desktop.G >> >>	 >>RegardsF >> >>Andrew Harrisonh >> > & > How are you doing in the VMS sector? >     8 Good, I know of 2 large OpenVMS users in the UK that are5 moving to Solaris. In one case the Alphacide followedW4 by HP's takeover were the final nails in the coffin.  4 Not wanting to fall into the Kerry trap of trying to7 address general issues by producing indevidual customere4 cases that buck the trend, I  will balance that with5 the observation that I do not have more statisticallyi4 significant numbers than that for OpenVMS, though as5 you know the market share numbers for AlphaServers inr0 general would suggest that the whole platform is- declining relative to the rest of the market.y   Regardsa Andrew Harrisony   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:04:27 +0100hU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>m Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP0 Message-ID: <ae2c58$keu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:  q > In article <WfAL8.122443$%y.12983516@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:F >  > D > 	Not nearly as much as Sun is faltering.  If you are going to pickE > 	a company to marginalize, why not Sun?  They are a one trick pony, & > 	where can they go but down and out? >     F Interesting observation incedentally since this is a great descriptionA of what HP are doing in the server space which is where they makeF* their margins outside printer consumables.  C Its called the IA-64 one trick pony, running Win2000 at the low end1 and HP-UX at the high end.  F Any problems in the IA-64 and the whole program catches a cold leaving	 printing.-   Regardsa Andrew Harrison0   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 09:27:59 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)- Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP3 Message-ID: <D0qlzR6tQJUy@eisner.encompasserve.org>t   In article <ae2c58$keu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  >  > Rob Young wrote: > r >> In article <WfAL8.122443$%y.12983516@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >> h >>  E >> 	Not nearly as much as Sun is faltering.  If you are going to pickpF >> 	a company to marginalize, why not Sun?  They are a one trick pony,' >> 	where can they go but down and out?h >>   >  > H > Interesting observation incedentally since this is a great descriptionC > of what HP are doing in the server space which is where they make , > their margins outside printer consumables. > E > Its called the IA-64 one trick pony, running Win2000 at the low end  > and HP-UX at the high end. >   B 	That is one architecture.  Several OSes.  The pony I am referring
 	to is SunOS.2  H > Any problems in the IA-64 and the whole program catches a cold leaving > printing.a  B 	Let's see... We know or gather McKinley is about 1300 Specfp2000,C 	leaving IA64 and Power architectures to fight it out in HPC space.n  H 	We would be naive to believe Intel with Alpha engineering to supplementF 	their design staffs won't make IA64 very competitive in the integer /0 	commercial space.  It is only a matter of time.  @ 	Care to make a prognostication?  Thought not.  After 7 years ofD 	reading your prognostications (none actually) I really don't expect	 	one now.    				Rob-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:03:00 -0400w' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>M Subject: RE: Open Letter to HPT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF40266075E@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,h  B >>> Any problems in the IA-64 and the whole program catches a cold leaving printing.<<<  . ROTFL .. Talk about "those in glass houses .."  G Lets re-type that sentence and see how the same statement works for Sun  .i  F "Any problems in SPARC futures and the whole Solaris program catches a  freezing cold leaving ..nothing"  G >>> Its called the IA-64 one trick pony, running Win2000 at the low endl and HP-UX at the high end.<<<   B Actually, your statement is incorrect - imho, the actual statement should read:  H >>> HP will be offering IA-64 platforms running Win2000 and Linux at theH low-med range and OpenVMS, NSK and HP-UX at the medium-high end. It willE also offer OpenVMS, Tru64 and Linux on newer Alpha EV7 platforms thata are soon to be released. <<<   :-)    Regardsa    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantc Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesd Voice: 613-592-4660l Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyd7 [mailto:andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com]=20e Sent: June 10, 2002 10:04 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP         Rob Young wrote:  G > In article <WfAL8.122443$%y.12983516@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,=20t. > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >=20 >=20? > 	Not nearly as much as Sun is faltering.  If you are going tor pick? > 	a company to marginalize, why not Sun?  They are a one tricku pony, & > 	where can they go but down and out? >=20    F Interesting observation incedentally since this is a great descriptionG of what HP are doing in the server space which is where they make their,$ margins outside printer consumables.  G Its called the IA-64 one trick pony, running Win2000 at the low end and0 HP-UX at the high end.  F Any problems in the IA-64 and the whole program catches a cold leaving	 printing.5   RegardsO Andrew Harrison7   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:16:16 +0100mU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>o Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP0 Message-ID: <ae2gbt$lp8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:   > In article <ae2c58$keu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> writes: >  >> >>Rob Young wrote: >> >>r >>>In article <WfAL8.122443$%y.12983516@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: >>>, >>>dE >>>	Not nearly as much as Sun is faltering.  If you are going to pickhF >>>	a company to marginalize, why not Sun?  They are a one trick pony,' >>>	where can they go but down and out?n >>>v >>>n >>H >>Interesting observation incedentally since this is a great descriptionC >>of what HP are doing in the server space which is where they make , >>their margins outside printer consumables. >>E >>Its called the IA-64 one trick pony, running Win2000 at the low ends >>and HP-UX at the high end. >> >> > D > 	That is one architecture.  Several OSes.  The pony I am referring > 	to is SunOS.n >  > H >>Any problems in the IA-64 and the whole program catches a cold leaving >>printing.r >> > D > 	Let's see... We know or gather McKinley is about 1300 Specfp2000,E > 	leaving IA64 and Power architectures to fight it out in HPC space.i >     9 How interesting, now remind me how big is the HPC market.b  5 The market IA-64 needs to suceed in isn't HPC its thet7 commecial server market which is dominated by apps that  are integer based.  5 Even at 1.5x the performance of the Itanium would put 8 Itanium 2 at the back of the pack on integer performance if measured by SPECint.r  ; And thats before you look at actual apps performance, IA-64 9 is dependant on its compilers, lets wait and see how wello7 these do at optimising commercial integer codes. As youe> know many people have their fears about how well the compilers) will cope with less well structured code.h      J > 	We would be naive to believe Intel with Alpha engineering to supplementH > 	their design staffs won't make IA64 very competitive in the integer /2 > 	commercial space.  It is only a matter of time. >     4 Why ? IA-64 represents an approach to delivering CPU4 performance that not everyone agrees is a good idea.  ; If the fundamentals of ILP are flawed for real applicationss4 then there will be nothing that Alpha engineers will be able to do to help.  9 And thats before you realise that the engineers you refer"7 to have not been very sucessfull at doing what you hopes' they will do for IA-64 on Alpha itself.   6 Its probably unfair to place the blame at the doors of3 the Alpha engineers themselves, nice processor samee0 about the system but the fact is that Alpha does3 not deliver on the claims made for it in this spacen and hasn't for a long time.e    ; I don't need to remind you that Alpha was and is the marketm: follower, not the market leader for delivering competitive7 throughput for the type of apps that dominate the large.1 commercial server market which IA-64 is aimed at.K      B > 	Care to make a prognostication?  Thought not.  After 7 years ofF > 	reading your prognostications (none actually) I really don't expect > 	one now.h >     < Why, mine have been very accurate compared with yours as you< know, so why claim otherwise. On major prognostications your$ record is nearly 100%. 100% failure.     Regards-   Andrew Harrisonn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:43:24 +0100tU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>h Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP0 Message-ID: <ae2lfa$nbb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:  	 > Andrew,  >  > B >>>>Any problems in the IA-64 and the whole program catches a cold >>>> > leaving printing.<<< > 0 > ROTFL .. Talk about "those in glass houses .." > I > Lets re-type that sentence and see how the same statement works for Suni > .n > H > "Any problems in SPARC futures and the whole Solaris program catches a" > freezing cold leaving ..nothing" >     1 So where will you be if IA-64 doesn't deliver ???-  3 All you need is MS to drag their feet and the dreams is over.  = No HP-PA, no Alpha. No platform for HP-UX, Tandem or OpenVMS.e  ; Just lots of 32 bit 1-2 CPU boxes and possibly a very hastyi jump to Hammer.3  ; As you said glass houses, you never seem able to detect theP one you are in.e       > G >>>>Its called the IA-64 one trick pony, running Win2000 at the low end  >>>> > and HP-UX at the high end.<<<r > D > Actually, your statement is incorrect - imho, the actual statement > should read: >  > H >>>>HP will be offering IA-64 platforms running Win2000 and Linux at the >>>>J > low-med range and OpenVMS, NSK and HP-UX at the medium-high end. It willG > also offer OpenVMS, Tru64 and Linux on newer Alpha EV7 platforms thatd > are soon to be released. <<< >     ; We are talking about a long term future, in case you hadn't  worked it out yet. :):):):)b    7 As ever its a pleasure to converse with someone of yourr   analytical abilities.    Regardsm Andrew Harrisont        ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:47:38 -0400n* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>D Subject: RE: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash- Message-ID: <0033000067449547000002L072*@MHS>t  F =0A     Could explain Andrew's periodic absences from the newsgroup...         :^) :^) :^)n         WWWebb  H As too Bill Gates sending mail to Carly. That depends how confidential = he wantsH it to be. If he isn't at least Digitally signing them using either SMIM= E or PGP8 then someone could have an awfull lot of fun with Carly.H (Maybe thats the answer :- Carly and Curly thought they were following = BillH Gates email instructions but it was actually an imposter from SUN or IB= M :) ).=   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 03:40:33 -0500 (CDT)o? From: "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>nP Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)< Message-ID: <200206100840.g5A8eXvU027962@cryptofortress.com>  C On Fri, 07 Jun 2002, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:d >"Zane H. Healy" wrote:gM >> A few years ago I was playing around with some network monitoring softwareiN >> (publically available software for Linux) on my home network.  I was ratherO >> shocked to find that I could basically point it at one packet, and from thenwH >> on I could see anything that was typed/displayed in a specific Telnet >> session.: > N >But on a LAN when you can run such traces, you have access to a hell of a lot >more than telnet data.r >oJ >My question pertains to the internet itself. What are the odds of someoneK >monitoring your telnet packets between your LAN and the destination LAN ?    F That I honestly don't know, but if someone can crack a router and takeJ complete control of it, then they can snoop on all traffic passing throughE it. You can bet that if they find telnet sessions passing through therC router they'll investigate. Telnet is fine for a trusted LAN, but I34 certainly wouldn't advise its use over the internet.  N >Also, assume you manage the network backbone. You have access to all the dataL >that transits in the backbone. But when you telnet to the router that feedsM >one departmental lan, someone with an ethermon on that LAN will not see your O >telnet session to the router and hence won't be able to capture the managementoI >passord for the router. But if you do this from a de]artmental lan, thenlG >anyone on that lan will be able to ethermon you and see what you type.e > H >Are ISPs and internet backbine networks really so untrustworthy that an8 >average telnet session is considered such a high risk ?  J There are humans involved. Boredom and curiosity are great for encouragingH someone to do things that may be against the ISP's corporate policy. WhyF rely on this policy, or its enforcement, when you have an alternative?  O >I agree that you may not want to use unencrypted telnet for high value or highmM >security stuff. But would it be fair to state that a telnet session over thesI >internet has a lesser risk of being intercepted than a paper letter sentl >through the postal system ?  K Unencrypted traffic, be it email or telnet, should be likened to postcards.oK It can be read in transit. Sending traffic encrypted is effectively puttingi it into an envelope.     Doc. -- i6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nett   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:24:13 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukP Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)+ Message-ID: <ae2gat$qgh$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>i  \ In article <3D011B79.6516718B@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >re: SSH > M >Ok, just a sanity check here. Is unencrypted telnet really that dangerous inr >terms of risk ? >  Yes. rL VMS is a very secure operating system. However a system is only as secure asE its weakest link. Telnet passes usernames and passwords in the clear.1N The chances of someone at the ISP or elsewhere monitoring your telnet session K from home to fix a problem on your works system which requires accessing a  K privileged account on that system is probably small. However do you want toA: take the risk - does your boss want you to take the risk ?O Can you explain to your boss why you need to take that risk when your colleaguel? looking after the Companies Unix system doesn't take that risk.  > L >Are there really people at ISPs who put traces on lines to what what people
 >are typing ?p >tM >Can a jacker in China "listen in" on a Telnet session I am having between my ' >host in Canada and a host in the USA ?o >eJ >I am trying to understandthe type of spying that would be done to see the! >contents of your telnet session.0 >LO >If SSH is so important, how come SMTP still runs over unencrypted lines ? Does#K >Bill gates encrypt the emails he sends to Carly, threathening to raise theu( >price of Windows if Carly markets VMS ?   SMTP can be secured. l? 1) SMTP servers can be setup to use SSL/TLS between themselves.aG    (Similarly POP and IMAP servers can be setup so that clients can usel     SSl/TSL encryption).C 2) Encryption can be setup between mail clients using PGP or SMIME.t    M 1) Suffers from the fact that too few SMTP servers are using it at the momentbM and you need to communicate with those who don't. Hence it is hard to justify M any extra effort or money on setting this up when you don't have anybody elseo who is using it to talk to.n  F 2) Suffers from the same kind of limitation as 1). Also there are two N incompatible standards. Also Encrypting mail means that Virus scanners etc on , mailhubs are no longer able to do their job.  M Unencrypted Email is equivalent to sending a postcard. You should never ever rC send anything which you would not be happy for a thirdparty to see.n  tO As too Bill Gates sending mail to Carly. That depends how confidential he wantsbO it to be. If he isn't at least Digitally signing them using either SMIME or PGPS8 then someone could have an awfull lot of fun with Carly.K (Maybe thats the answer :- Carly and Curly thought they were following BilloN Gates email instructions but it was actually an imposter from SUN or IBM :) ).    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   PS.uK Of course it would be nice if a future version of VMS had an improved (MIMEtN capable) version of VMS MAIL which supported SMIME and/or PGP encoding/signing and decoding of mail.,   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:13:11 +0100 (MET)S9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> P Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS (Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading); Message-ID: <01KIRWA4BBW296WQWC@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  O > >Ok, just a sanity check here. Is unencrypted telnet really that dangerous inh > >terms of risk ? >a > Yes. sN > VMS is a very secure operating system. However a system is only as secure asG > its weakest link. Telnet passes usernames and passwords in the clear.   H In a lot of cases, including most properly managed VMS systems, one can E say that there is no problem as long as a username and corresponding :H password are not known.  (Some folks don't run a FINGER server since it I makes usernames public.)  If the only priviledged account is SYSTEM, one tF can disallow network access, so damage can be limited even if someone   gets in through another account.  I Most folks probably need an account with at least SETPRV accessible over 8F the network.  In such a case, once one has the username and password,  one has everything.:  I Is encryption the only option?  I'm surprised that more folks don't have oD a system in which in SYLOGIN or wherever the user is asked for some F interactive input.  Of course, asking for a secret word is no good as F this can be wire-tapped as well.  However, there could be some secret E algorithm: multiply the "minutes" value from the current time of day iC with some number, divide by another number, take the remainder and eF multiply it by a third number etc.  One can come up with an algorithm I which can be executed in just a few seconds on a pocket calculator which gI is essentially irreversible, i.e. even someone who had access to a large eH sample of login-session wiretaps would not be able to predict the magic $ input required for the NEXT login.    H (A similar possibility is to have a list of secret "transaction numbers"F which the user knows.  Of course, they are also stored on the machine,G but as long as only authorised folks get in, this is no problem---afterpG all, once someone is in, he can do what he wants anyway.  There is not hG even a need to worry about logins from different people using the same lH account, keeping track of the list etc---one could just display the LASTF valid transaction number, and the user would look at the list tattooed= on the inside of his thigh or wherever for the next number.) D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:27:36 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: SAN shadowing questiona? Message-ID: <OF78E18DDA.ABEACBEE-ON85256BD4.0043A9D6@metso.com>i  
 Uwe and Ralf,"  Thanks for the responses.& I think Ralf has nailed the confusion: HBVS shadowset Controller(HSG)-based mirrorsetd SAN-based replication-shadowsets  ; The speaker at my meeting was confusing HBVS shadowset with4? SAN-based replication-shadowset over a single fabric.  Since weeB have currently no plans for replication, this should not have beenA part of the discussion.  Hence my confusion.  Thanks to you both.t -Normu      H "Ralf Gaertner" <gaertner@cthulhu.westfalen.de> on 06/08/2002 06:15:34 = AM     cc:n" Subject:    SAN shadowing question      5 >I came out of a meeting yesterday with the followinge2 >(excuse me if I mix OpenVMS and SAN terminology): >i5 >If I have a remote VMScluster with AlphaServers witht4 >2 KGPSA's each connected to a Brocade Switch Fabric4 >to 2 HSG80's connected to storage at each location,0 >I can configure a storage-based shadowset _on a2 >single fabric_ with a member disk in EMA-box A on5 >one site and a member disk in EMA-box B on the otherM8 >site, and present this as a single LUN to Alphaservers. >n5 >I had understood that storage-based shadowset member.% >disks had to be in the same EMA-box.o >  >What is correct?. >> >-Norm >= >   
 You can buildl;   - a controller (HSG) based shadow-set, called mirror-set, 6   - a host-based (VMS) shadow-set, as we usually know,C   - and a SAN based "shadow-set", which is done by data replicatione  H The first optin requires the disks to be in the same EMA box, the secon= daH option reuires the disk to be accessible. The data replication is total= lyH different; there the disks can be located in different EMA boxes as lon= ga# as the disks arein the same fabric.    Ralf --E   Ralf G=E4rtner                gaertner@cthulhu.westfalen.de (home &n   preferred)7   =D6tztalerstr. 5b             gaertner@decus.decus.de D   D - 81373 M=FCnchen           ralf.gaertner@t-systems.com   (work)   FRGa  @          System/Network Manager & DECUS TeX Developer/Maintainer  F     ~~~  Too old to Rock 'n Roll - too young to die (Jethro Tull)  ~~~        ) zessin@decus.de on 06/07/2002 04:00:20 PM.  ! Please respond to zessin@decus.den   To:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:v& Subject:    RE: SAN shadowing question     Norm wrote: 6 > I came out of a meeting yesterday with the following3 > (excuse me if I mix OpenVMS and SAN terminology):> >i6 > If I have a remote VMScluster with AlphaServers with5 > 2 KGPSA's each connected to a Brocade Switch Fabrici5 > to 2 HSG80's connected to storage at each location,h1 > I can configure a storage-based shadowset _on a 3 > single fabric_ with a member disk in EMA-box A ona6 > one site and a member disk in EMA-box B on the other9 > site, and present this as a single LUN to Alphaservers.r  7 I need a picture of the fabric layouts to really under-n stand that.n  6 > I had understood that storage-based shadowset member& > disks had to be in the same EMA-box.  7 A 'shadowset' of physical disk drives within an EMA-box  is called a 'mirror-set'.6  8 You cannot 'shadow' the 'units'/LUNs of 2 EMA-boxes with4 controller-based software. The DRM (Data Replication6 Manager) software for the HSG80 array controllers does 'replication'.  7 That means that the hosts see the HSG units (LUNs) fromn9 one site (the initiator) and read from/write to them. Allt7 write data is then copied by the HSG80 array controllerh7 modules to units (LUNs) at the other site (the target).n7 Those units do exist on the storage array, but must notu be seen by the hosts!p  4 If there is a failure in the initiator site you need5 to do a manual DRM failover, which means (among otherA0 things) giving the hosts access to these units -. you *must* understand your storage very well!!0 (I do storage workshops and for the DRM workshop0 alone I calculate between 3 to 5 days. It really3 takes time + practice to get a 'feeling' for this.)e   > What is correct?  5 Sorry, but we're just not using the same language andt1 have a different understanding of your situation.r3 We first need to make sure that we're talking about. the same thing(s).   --
 Uwe Zessin           =i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:09:33 +0200f From: zessin@decus.def# Subject: RE: SAN shadowing questione* Message-ID: <00A0F432.6FD05A16.7@decus.de>   Norm wrote:  >Uwe and Ralf, > Thanks for the responses. ' >I think Ralf has nailed the confusion:n >HBVS shadowseta  >Controller(HSG)-based mirrorset  >SAN-based replication-shadowset  ? The correct DRM term is 'remote copy set'. I _do_ avoid callingn- this 'shadowing', because it works different.   = > The speaker at my meeting was confusing HBVS shadowset witha7 > SAN-based replication-shadowset over a single fabric.e  : A 'real' DRM solution uses 2 fabrics. Controller A of both: RA/ESA/MA/EMA-boxes connect to one fabric. Controller B to
 the other.  : There are now 'cheap' versions supported with only one FCA& and one fabric or 2 FCAs and 1 fabric.   Ralf Gdrtner wrote:k< > The data replication is totally different; there the disks< > can be located in different EMA boxes as long as the disks   MUST > arein the same fabric.  $ You cannot replicate within one box:/ I-HSG-A> add remote_copy_set rcs1 d1 isite01\d2r= Error D010: All targets must be on remote nodes (a node other 7             than the one that the initiator resides on)-	 I-HSG-A> a   -- ,
 Uwe Zessin   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 06:44:27 -0700/ From: david_awerbuch@yahoo.com (David Awerbuch)O# Subject: sending email to this list$= Message-ID: <37486a59.0206100544.7df49a50@posting.google.com>    Hello,  4 I receive the daily digests for this news group fromB Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com.  I've tried sending new messages toF Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com  and Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com , but withoutF success.  Can someone please tell what si the correct email address to send new message to?   Thanks,r David Awerbuch david_awerbuch@yahoo.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:27:06 +0000 (UTC)d From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk; Subject: Re: SSH v2 (was Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS...)U+ Message-ID: <ae1utq$l0v$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>    In article <craig.berry-DE7718.13465107062002@news.directvinternet.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> writes:F >In article <adqst1$am3$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  >wrote:> > O >> Dec TCPIP services though, despite frequent requests, seems not to have any m* >> firm plans for providing SSH version 2. > E >A year ago they had no plans.  Now they have plans, but perhaps not tC >much more than that yet.  Hoff said in this forum a few weeks ago:g >n >IJ >  We have OpenSSL in the V7.3-1 release (which is itself in field test), J >  and we expect to have a version of SSH available and incorporated in a  >  release after V7.3-1. >  >For the full article, see > J ><http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=CTjx8.5%24M65.222244%40ca >cnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>n >wG Yes putting openssl in the 7.3-1 release should have been the easy part0M - since OPENSSL from http://www.openssl.org has supported VMS in the standardeL distribution from at least 1999 if not earler. Thanks to Richard Levitte whoB has been part of the Openssl development team since November 1999.H Prior to that there were versions of openssl and it's predecessor ssleayJ available for VMS (but I can't recall whether VMS was part of the standard distribution or not).'  K Note. The distributions of OPENSSL will build on fairly old versions of VMSu" (at least VMS 6.2 if not earlier).  H From the mention of Openssl I would assume that they are looking at the K public domain openssh product (www.openssh.org) rather than the commercial rM product from the company SSH  (www.ssh.com) even though they got the company 0F SSH to produce their product for TRU64 and bundled it into Tru64 5.1A.  0 >I hope "after" doesn't mean 2-3 years from now.  M So do I. However tying it to a future release of VMS rather than providing it2M as a standalone product or as part of Dec TCPIP services doesn't fill me withn  confidence for a quick solution.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:32:01 -0600w! From: "rf" <rlfitch@peakpeak.com>i/ Subject: RE: tpc/ip file server for VMS systems ? Message-ID: <DJEIILNNMOFLAFBPGIEHEEHCDAAA.rlfitch@peakpeak.com>e   Thanks Alan!  H IP package info: "DEC TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AXP Version V4.0 - ECO2 Level 5 on a DEC 3000 - M700 running OpenVMS V6.2"     Ransom Fitch   > -----Original Message------ > From: "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"o) > [mailto:winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]d& > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:13 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc1 > Subject: Re: tpc/ip file server for VMS systemsn >e >aF > In article <DJEIILNNMOFLAFBPGIEHMEGIDAAA.rlfitch@peakpeak.com>, "rf"  > <rlfitch@peakpeak.com> writes: >r9 > >Is it possible/practical to setup LINUX/BSD to provideL > file/print servicesoJ > >for VMS/AXP (OVMS 6.2) system(s) over IP?  If so some guidance would be > >appreciated.u >vL > Linux/xBSD can provide NFS service for file and LPD service for print.  ToL > take advantage of this you need to have an IP package on your VMS machine,J > and it needs to support NFS _client_ and LPR client.  (All three main IPL > packages do, but I believe NFS used to an extra-cost option for Multinet - > could be wrong.) >,A > The commands for getting this stuff set up will vary with whicha > IP packageK > you're using, so your next step would be to come back with the group with 1 > the name and version number of your IP package.i >?	 > -- Alanr >uD > ================================================================== > =============a2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:? > 650/926-3056C >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 
 >  94309-0210.D > ================================================================== > =============r >  >b   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:06:34 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>u  Subject: UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS( Message-ID: <3D04968C.3060408@uiowa.edu>  H I am trying to tune some NFS settings between my OpenVMS server and some Linux servers.  H I have OpenVMS v7.1 on an AlphaServer 4100 running UCX v4.2 ECO 4 with aF 100 Mb/s ethernet connection to some PC clones with Red Hat Linux v7.1G and v7.2 (I have not noticed a difference yet, but want to make both be.? v7.2 soon) with all the RH patches except the kernel update(s).e  H The users write to the NSF-mounted volumes from VMS and generate tons ofH data files and HTML companion files.  These servers have about 640 GB ofH data storage and are currently using about 30 GB.  I recently was tryingH to generate a backup of the data over NFS to my OpenVMS mounted DLT2000.H This works at first glance, but I got about 20 errors the first time andF so I have been experimenting with the UCX NFS mount options to try and% tune the performance and reliability.m  : Here is a sample error message I get while running backup:  O %BACKUP-E-READVERR, virtual read error on file [A.B.C.D.E]FILE.PNG;2 at block 1s! -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeoutt  H Depending on the values in the NFS mount command the numbers of errors IF get like above range from 0 to thousands.  Here is the basic NFS mount commmand I am using:  J $ UCX Mount DNFS0: "/data" Disk$Data /Host="host" /Path="/data" /Retries=2  H The more retries I allow, the fewer the error messages.  When the numberC of retries is less than about 4, the number of files reported to be H backed up is reduced (thus I am missing files).  I have also mounted andA tested with the default of /retries=0, which is infinite retries.   H I also raised the retry count to 8 and increased the /TimeOut value fromH it's 2sec default to 5sec.  This elimiated the errors, but it took aboutE 2 days to finish the backup where the default mount values took about? 15.5 hours.b  E Does anyone have any experience or suggestions on how to get the bestvE settings?  (besides dumping NFS and Linux!  My hands are tied there.)aI Maybe even some RH Linux changes?  Those are at factory default as far aslB I know.  I am not a Linux guru, but have to play one in this case.  I The testing cycle is long and difficult for me since I am not on-site andtG very soon the users will need to the drives back to continue with theirnH production work and I will loose me window of "mount-test-change-repeat" time.   B I imagine some ideas are to upgrade to VMS v7.3 and TCPIP v5.1 (orI v5.3?), but those are not easy to do at this time either unless we reallyeI have to.  It is in my long-range plan, but this site is someone static atsB the present and there is limited resources to devote to an upgrade project.   Rick -- oJ Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduK   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/tJ | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016K   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020 E                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)d   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:14:08 GMTi3 From: Jeff Coffield <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com>i$ Subject: Re: UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS5 Message-ID: <3D04A62D.67728AA2@DigitalSynergyInc.com>2   "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:   J > I am trying to tune some NFS settings between my OpenVMS server and some > Linux servers. >MJ > I have OpenVMS v7.1 on an AlphaServer 4100 running UCX v4.2 ECO 4 with aH > 100 Mb/s ethernet connection to some PC clones with Red Hat Linux v7.1I > and v7.2 (I have not noticed a difference yet, but want to make both beaA > v7.2 soon) with all the RH patches except the kernel update(s).s > J > The users write to the NSF-mounted volumes from VMS and generate tons ofJ > data files and HTML companion files.  These servers have about 640 GB ofJ > data storage and are currently using about 30 GB.  I recently was tryingJ > to generate a backup of the data over NFS to my OpenVMS mounted DLT2000.J > This works at first glance, but I got about 20 errors the first time andH > so I have been experimenting with the UCX NFS mount options to try and' > tune the performance and reliability.l >e< > Here is a sample error message I get while running backup: >.Q > %BACKUP-E-READVERR, virtual read error on file [A.B.C.D.E]FILE.PNG;2 at block 1 # > -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeoutu >iJ > Depending on the values in the NFS mount command the numbers of errors IH > get like above range from 0 to thousands.  Here is the basic NFS mount > commmand I am using: >hL > $ UCX Mount DNFS0: "/data" Disk$Data /Host="host" /Path="/data" /Retries=2 >mJ > The more retries I allow, the fewer the error messages.  When the numberE > of retries is less than about 4, the number of files reported to betJ > backed up is reduced (thus I am missing files).  I have also mounted andC > tested with the default of /retries=0, which is infinite retries.i >vJ > I also raised the retry count to 8 and increased the /TimeOut value fromJ > it's 2sec default to 5sec.  This elimiated the errors, but it took aboutG > 2 days to finish the backup where the default mount values took aboutn
 > 15.5 hours." >hG > Does anyone have any experience or suggestions on how to get the best G > settings?  (besides dumping NFS and Linux!  My hands are tied there.),K > Maybe even some RH Linux changes?  Those are at factory default as far asnD > I know.  I am not a Linux guru, but have to play one in this case. >,K > The testing cycle is long and difficult for me since I am not on-site andaI > very soon the users will need to the drives back to continue with theirfJ > production work and I will loose me window of "mount-test-change-repeat" > time.a > D > I imagine some ideas are to upgrade to VMS v7.3 and TCPIP v5.1 (orK > v5.3?), but those are not easy to do at this time either unless we really0K > have to.  It is in my long-range plan, but this site is someone static atfD > the present and there is limited resources to devote to an upgrade
 > project. >e > Rick > --L > Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.eduM >   _   _  _____                      http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/nL > | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group> > | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsL > | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016M >   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020wG >                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)i  Q I have about the same setup (VMS 7.1-2, UCX V4.2, Linux 7.1) but have enough disko spaceaO under VMS to backup the files first to a local disk then the regular VMS backupn picks it upaR along with everything else. I have retries set to 10 and have had no NFS errors in over a yearb
 of uptime.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:41:34 GMTe( From: "Rich Bjers" <RBjers@Cinci.RR.Com>$ Subject: Re: UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS9 Message-ID: <i02N8.28816$zh2.11283167@twister.neo.rr.com>o  @ Why not look that the Ethernet connection first for the problem?  G Check the network for Bad network cards, hubs, switches, traffic loads,oG Duplex mismatch, and etc because these things can cause a lot of packet  retransmission to occur.   --   Thanks,i  
 Richard Bjersx        : "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote in message" news:3D04968C.3060408@uiowa.edu...J > I am trying to tune some NFS settings between my OpenVMS server and some > Linux servers. > J > I have OpenVMS v7.1 on an AlphaServer 4100 running UCX v4.2 ECO 4 with aH > 100 Mb/s ethernet connection to some PC clones with Red Hat Linux v7.1I > and v7.2 (I have not noticed a difference yet, but want to make both be A > v7.2 soon) with all the RH patches except the kernel update(s).e >eJ > The users write to the NSF-mounted volumes from VMS and generate tons ofJ > data files and HTML companion files.  These servers have about 640 GB ofJ > data storage and are currently using about 30 GB.  I recently was tryingJ > to generate a backup of the data over NFS to my OpenVMS mounted DLT2000.J > This works at first glance, but I got about 20 errors the first time andH > so I have been experimenting with the UCX NFS mount options to try and' > tune the performance and reliability.i > < > Here is a sample error message I get while running backup: >oI > %BACKUP-E-READVERR, virtual read error on file [A.B.C.D.E]FILE.PNG;2 ats block 1b# > -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeoutk > J > Depending on the values in the NFS mount command the numbers of errors IH > get like above range from 0 to thousands.  Here is the basic NFS mount > commmand I am using: >dL > $ UCX Mount DNFS0: "/data" Disk$Data /Host="host" /Path="/data" /Retries=2 > J > The more retries I allow, the fewer the error messages.  When the numberE > of retries is less than about 4, the number of files reported to betJ > backed up is reduced (thus I am missing files).  I have also mounted andC > tested with the default of /retries=0, which is infinite retries.o > J > I also raised the retry count to 8 and increased the /TimeOut value fromJ > it's 2sec default to 5sec.  This elimiated the errors, but it took aboutG > 2 days to finish the backup where the default mount values took abouti
 > 15.5 hours.g >rG > Does anyone have any experience or suggestions on how to get the besteG > settings?  (besides dumping NFS and Linux!  My hands are tied there.) K > Maybe even some RH Linux changes?  Those are at factory default as far asnD > I know.  I am not a Linux guru, but have to play one in this case. >hK > The testing cycle is long and difficult for me since I am not on-site andoI > very soon the users will need to the drives back to continue with their J > production work and I will loose me window of "mount-test-change-repeat" > time.  >fD > I imagine some ideas are to upgrade to VMS v7.3 and TCPIP v5.1 (orK > v5.3?), but those are not easy to do at this time either unless we really,K > have to.  It is in my long-range plan, but this site is someone static atiD > the present and there is limited resources to devote to an upgrade
 > project. >l > Rick > --L > Richard L. Dyson                                      rick-dyson@uiowa.edu >   _   _  _____' http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/sL > | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst   --   INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group> > | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsL > | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems Dept. BT1000 GH   Office: 319/384-7016@ >   \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052                 FAX: 319/384-7020G >                  (Consulting to the Physics and Astronomy Department)h >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:57:09 GMTn' From: Rick Dyson <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>G$ Subject: Re: UCX NFS w/ RH Linux NFS) Message-ID: <3D04B035.90311273@uiowa.edu>a   Rich Bjers wrote:r > B > Why not look that the Ethernet connection first for the problem? > I > Check the network for Bad network cards, hubs, switches, traffic loads,eI > Duplex mismatch, and etc because these things can cause a lot of packet  > retransmission to occur.  O Thanks,  I also got this suggestion before and it is very worthy of inspection.-G I know the VMS end is setup correctly, but the Linux end is unknown.  ImM will dig into it.  I kick myself for not thinking of checking that first, but.H since it was "working" I myopically focused on my settings/config first.   Thanks Rich!   Rick   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 07:05:11 -0700" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)+ Subject: Re: UWSS and inner mode durabilityu= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0206100605.7d8d5cde@posting.google.com>s  [ carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote in message news:<8JUN200218031407@gerg.tamu.edu>...-( > cstranslations@msn.com (Joe) writes...B > }(2) "Usermode stuff" doesn't survive process rundown. Fine. I'mG > }jumping into exec, assuming a usermode lock (LCK$M_SYSTEM), hence on0C > }image rundown said lock goes away... Based on a small example it0I > }doesn't so I must be misunderstanding exactly what the docs are sayingeE > }(usermode lock assumed at usermode isn't the same as usermode lockvF > }assumed at exec mode). When the image terminates I want the lock to > }"go away."  > }Joe > F > When you create the "user mode" lock from exec mode, are you in fact6 > specifying the access mode as PSL$C_USER explicitly?  C At the moment I don't have access to the system where I was testingeF the segments of code so I can't check but - yes unless I'm remembering= something incorrectly I did specify PSL$C_USER as argument 10 	 (acmode).n  B That perticular code segment used $CMKRNL to call a routine (whichC calls $ENQ). Spawned out of the debugger after the $CMKRNL call and5D ANALYZE/SYSTEM happily reported that I owned the lock (at usermode).A Quit the program and ANALYZE/SYSTEM still reported that I happilyS owned the usermode lock...   Joeu  
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:57:21 +0100c% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>OL Subject: Re: visual formatting (was: Re: Mark Gorham's Beer Bash in Reading)8 Message-ID: <8h89guculq9g0aohq008u9pefdib3os7i6@4ax.com>  = On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 09:37:27 GMT, peter@langstoeger.at (Peteri LANGSTOEGER) wrote:o  x >In article <01KIDSGGGABM96WE0C@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>, Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> writes:G >>> I did say (loudly enough for Mark to hear I think), "Now if only itmJ >>> was Star Office under VMS". Or probably Open Office unless Sun could eI >>> persuaded to support the port themselves. Maybe that's what Andrew is  >>> really doing :-) >>> H >>> Star/Open Office would have no problem in createing/displaying these >>> PowerPoint slides. >.F >I do use StarOffice V5.2 on a NT5 system to display PowerPoint SlidesG >I got from somewhere (like www.openvms.compaq.com) and I can say, thatw+ >there are various 'misbehaviours' therein.a  C I've been using StarOffice 6.0 Beta for a few months and it handles- most things thrown at it.   I >>Often, I've heard people say "I need PowerPoint" when they really mean uH >>"I need a programme to produce and display slides for a presentation".H >>On VMS, or any other platform, one can of course produce slides with, 0 >>say, LaTeX and display them with XDVI, GS etc. >EI >A year ago, at the DECUS Germany Symposium in Berlin, the Chaos Computer K >Club founder/member and now one of the ICANN directors Andy Mueller Maguhn M >did a presentation (on ICANN plans) with NETSCAPE and HTML/JPEG! I was quite I >surprised to see such an idea but I liked it very much, because he had a I >lot of links included in his presentation which became very useful latera/ >in the Handout/Symposiums-Sessions-Collection.r > M >The SUSE weenies a year before (presenting SUSE on Alpha) did use LINUX and o2 >obviously not PowerPoint on their Notebooks also!   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:10:15 GMTf0 From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: VMS Monitoring a User1 Message-ID: <br2N8.4$f44.408684@news.cpqcorp.net>u  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message+ news:3D011F14.22430CC@firstdbasource.com...o > warren sander wrote: > >  > > You could try getcmd6 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/getcmd.zip: > > which will dump the command recall buffer of a process > >e > > -warrene@ > just a question, but would that product work after-the-fact inJ > otherwords after "that" user uas logged off or is it only current users? >=F > if it is current process only you can set a lo*gout symbol that willI > quietly execute the getcmd procedure for all users with the appropriate  > privs. > --
 > Regards, >l9 > Michael Austin            Registered Linux User #26116339 > First DBA Source, Inc.    http://www.firstdbasource.com= > Sr. Consultant > 704-947-1089 (Office)b > 704-236-4377 (Mobile)- >-  H    The command recall buffer for a process exists until the process gets deleted.  I you wouldn't need to executive getcmd since $recall/all would do the samew; thing if the user is logging out (pipe the output to mail).eL or if you execute a program/dcl procedure you can get all this stuff. getcmdL get's in 'secretly' ie the user doesn't know that his recall buffer has been
 looked at.  F As always any of these programs that 'dinkle' with system info must beK rebuilt whenever you change your vms version. And can cause system crashes.(   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 23:24:14 +0200n- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>s; Subject: Re: WASD 7.2.2 Alpha: are .OBJ VMS 7.3 compatible?y' Message-ID: <3D03C77D.997891E6@Free.fr>g   Mark Daniel wrote: > ' > Did you use the required "-V" option?L >0  P I used the -V without the quotes, which gave me a listing of the archive insteadI of actually unzipping it, so I removed the -V option and got what I said.p  L I tried with the -V between quotes and got the same result as without the -VN flag, i.e. extract and then corrupted files. The HTROOT722.ZIP gives valid non
 binary files.   ; let me investigate this further on and I'll come back here.n   D.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:57:45 -0700% From: "RLC" <rlc@magicalsoftware.com> E Subject: Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most casest/ Message-ID: <ug7jr5q9r0l25d@corp.supernews.com>a  7 > To satisfy VMS users it is normally not sufficient tot5 > simply port apps while not improving their quality. 5 > Unfortunately a lot of SW is written in a quick and 4 > dirty manner or in crap PLs like C or C++. If this7 > SW is adapted that it can be compiled for VMS it willh6 > run as unreliable as on other OSs which are expected2 > to be rebooted daily (Windoze) or weekly (UNIX).  8 There is a LOT of quality VMS software written in C/C++.< There is also a LOT of quality software on lots of platforms5 written in C/C++.  Programming languanges are not theb3 problem near as much as programmers and progrmamingh2 methodologies.  Bad programmers can write bad code7 in virtually every language even though some definatelyI make it harder to do so.     just my opinion,   Rick Cadruvi...t   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:52:11 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukE Subject: Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most caseso+ Message-ID: <ae27dr$nmv$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>g  R In article <3D01D48B.7D519CD2@spam.not>, Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not> writes:1 >Suggestions to port apps developed on other OSs  & >come up in this NG from time to time. >t7 >To satisfy VMS users it is normally not sufficient to l7 >simply port apps while not really integrating it into k3 >VMS. A decent port would make use of specific VMS  4 >features where appropriate like CDL with carefully 7 >chosen parameter types (and qualifier names) that fit  4 >in and like using RMS instead of flat/stream files 5 >and with standard installation procedures like PCSI.a >s  G Come off it. 90+% of public domain software ported to VMS doesn't meet f" your criteria for a "Decent port".G They still work and I am grateful for them. I think most VMS users want F to see the apps - they don't really care that much about niceties such$ as using the CDL, PCSI or VMSINSTAL.    7 >To satisfy VMS users it is normally not sufficient to y5 >simply port apps while not improving their quality. e5 >Unfortunately a lot of SW is written in a quick and  4 >dirty manner or in crap PLs like C or C++. If this 7 >SW is adapted that it can be compiled for VMS it will u6 >run as unreliable as on other OSs which are expected 1 >to be rebooted daily (Windoze) or weekly (UNIX).r >   L If its just user mode code then firstly get it ported to VMS so it's runningN as (un)reliably as on UNIX. Then think about improving it and feeding back the) improvements to the original developers.    L If it's kernel mode code (ie likely to possibly crash the OS) then obviouslyI greater care needs to be taken. (Also if it requires to be installed witha privileges).  K The problem with porting software isn't having to fix badly written code sooM much as having to deal with invalid assumptions about the OS eg that creatinge= tons of processes is a good idea, that everybody has fork etcn  0 >Having more than one OS isn't an issue in most 5 >environments as PC type HW is cheap. Most commodity e4 >SW like browsers, office apps, small databases and 3 >most open source SW run on PC type HW. Do we need i1 >unreliable and misbehaving SW that isn't really I2 >integrated into VMS? Are there people that would 2 >like to run that kind of SW on their VMS systems 2 >taking the risk that this SW is interfering with  >clean and stable VMS apps?a >I0 >Is there a chance to avoid other OSs? How many 1 >apps have to be ported to VMS and maintained in h2 >a current version that VMS can be the only OS in  >a certain environment?r >i/ >As long as the vast majority of managers make r1 >decisions not based on technical facts VMS will n# >not gain substantial market share. / >As long as the vast majority of managers make n. >decisions not based on mid term perspectives / >like TCO VMS will not gain substantial market   >share.e/ >As long as the vast majority of managers make t, >decisions not based on quality aspects but - >instead gaze at the time to market VMS will 5# >not gain substantail market share.y >p1 >As long as the vast majority of programmers use e0 >crap languages like C or C++ the vast majority / >of SW will not reach a level of quality which a >qualifies for use under VMS.a  D Rubbish. You can write bad or good code in any programming language.  F As long as the software isn't available noone will consider using VMS.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2002 08:31:53 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most cases 3 Message-ID: <ADYMY2hEkG+r@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  L In article <ae27dr$nmv$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes:  I > Come off it. 90+% of public domain software ported to VMS doesn't meet  $ > your criteria for a "Decent port".I > They still work and I am grateful for them. I think most VMS users wantaH > to see the apps - they don't really care that much about niceties such& > as using the CDL, PCSI or VMSINSTAL.  4 For some reason, I cannot figure out what CDL means.  @ I would prefer PCSI, with VMSINSTAL as a second choice.  I would@ prefer not having to link the software myself.  But what I would) _really_ prefer is _Software_That_Works_!5  E I had occasion to use VMSTAR recently to package up some files.  FromhH what I can see, the latest-and-greatest (which I used) is VMSTAR V3.4-1.D Looking at the credits, some real VMS experts have contributed to it _on_a_part_time_basis_.o  G I ended up having to redo the transfer (which involves two other peoplehL to receive it) because the program totally botched handling sticky filespecsE originating in a rooted directory.  It not only missed files but also2G regressed into not understanding ODS-5.  Certainly Backup, Copy and anyXG other VMS utility capable of accepting a list of input files do not getr# this basic sort of operation wrong.n  D I realize that if I had the time I could fix this myself, but I haveD had occasion to use this program once this year and once a year ago.@ It is obvious to me that the Freeware model does not have enoughC serious regular users to find the bugs, or someone would have fixed<D this one by now.  Gaining the trust of sporadic users (like me) doesC require some body of regular users to whip the software into shape.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:06:38 -05001C From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>oE Subject: Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most casesdH Message-ID: <craig.berry-28B622.09063810062002@news.directvinternet.com>  3 In article <ADYMY2hEkG+r@eisner.encompasserve.org>,t/  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:eG > I had occasion to use VMSTAR recently to package up some files.  FromtJ > what I can see, the latest-and-greatest (which I used) is VMSTAR V3.4-1.F > Looking at the credits, some real VMS experts have contributed to it > _on_a_part_time_basis_.s > I > I ended up having to redo the transfer (which involves two other peoplenN > to receive it) because the program totally botched handling sticky filespecsG > originating in a rooted directory.  It not only missed files but alsoi+ > regressed into not understanding ODS-5.     ; Please write Patrick Young about this and if possible make ED available a reproducer.  I once reported a problem and it got fixed 
 very quickly.t  G I use VMSTAR pretty much every day and seldom have any problems at all sG with it, but I use it almost exclusively to unpack archives created on dH UNIXen.  I"m afraid I don't know what a "sticky filespec originating in G a rooted directory" is, but it may be that feature has just never been i tested adequately.  G BTW, I don't think VMSTAR is a port; it was written from the ground up s for VMS.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:38:45 +0000 (UTC)i From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukE Subject: Re: Why porting apps to VMS isn't very helpful in most cases2+ Message-ID: <ae2h65$qqn$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>r  c In article <ADYMY2hEkG+r@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:hM >In article <ae27dr$nmv$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes:b >eJ >> Come off it. 90+% of public domain software ported to VMS doesn't meet % >> your criteria for a "Decent port".oJ >> They still work and I am grateful for them. I think most VMS users wantI >> to see the apps - they don't really care that much about niceties suchl' >> as using the CDL, PCSI or VMSINSTAL.e >s5 >For some reason, I cannot figure out what CDL means.w >   * From the context of Brass Christof's post   . " A decent port would make use of specific VMS2 features where appropriate like CDL with carefully5 chosen parameter types (and qualifier names) that fit 2 in and like using RMS instead of flat/stream files4 and with standard installation procedures like PCSI. "t  N I'd assumed he meant "Command definition language" - though that should reallyO be the Command definition utility (CDU) ie having the program support VMS style N qualifiers and parameters rather than having to define it as a foreign command* with Unix style qualifiers and parameters.    A >I would prefer PCSI, with VMSINSTAL as a second choice.  I wouldo1 >prefer not having to link the software myself.  o  M Although using PCSI or VMSINSTAL would be nice. Just having a command file toiJ run or being able to use MMS/MMK is good enough. Indeed it is often betterF since VMSINSTAL kits and PCSI kits can sometimes rather restrict where software is installed.   >But what I would:* >_really_ prefer is _Software_That_Works_! >e  
 Of course.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS MIddlesex University    F >I had occasion to use VMSTAR recently to package up some files.  FromI >what I can see, the latest-and-greatest (which I used) is VMSTAR V3.4-1.sE >Looking at the credits, some real VMS experts have contributed to itg >_on_a_part_time_basis_. > H >I ended up having to redo the transfer (which involves two other peopleM >to receive it) because the program totally botched handling sticky filespecstF >originating in a rooted directory.  It not only missed files but alsoH >regressed into not understanding ODS-5.  Certainly Backup, Copy and anyH >other VMS utility capable of accepting a list of input files do not get$ >this basic sort of operation wrong. >0E >I realize that if I had the time I could fix this myself, but I have E >had occasion to use this program once this year and once a year ago.oA >It is obvious to me that the Freeware model does not have enoughsD >serious regular users to find the bugs, or someone would have fixedE >this one by now.  Gaining the trust of sporadic users (like me) doesdD >require some body of regular users to whip the software into shape.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:18:23 +0100l( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: xtoolkit error ) Message-ID: <3D0460CF.65E614F4@127.0.0.1>    rob merritt wrote: > 7 > Thanks guys I tried them both and here is what I got:a >  > from create/term/detacho >  > $ create/term/detach- > %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open displayx >  > from  r decw$examples:ico.exeg > $ r decw$examples:ico.exeR > $iM > (i get nothing???? so then I turned on SET WATCH FILE ?CLASS=MAJOR and get)  >  > $ r decw$examples:ico.exeh3 > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (0,0,0) Status: 00000910r? > %XQP, Thread #0, Access ICO.EXE;1 (8576,2,0) Status: 00000001tL > %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (8576,2,0) Reads: 9, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001 > $d >  > what do you think? > [ > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3D009FEB.56795F77@127.0.0.1>...t  ! > > Try running decw$examples:ico  > >t0 > > The error messages will be more informative.  C Baffled. Other replies have mentioned security, ICO should tell youu this.1  E One problem I had, ICO discovered that I'd not defined my target nodea@ into the network database, and gave me a message saying as much.  F If the PC X server was not started, you'd be told of this too. Did you  get the display on the X server?    A If the SET DISPLAY... and RUN ICO doesn't tell you anything, yourvF problem is, as I'd describe it, more interesting that a usual problem.  B I wonder if it's an issue that you're using a detached process, itF shouldn't be, but perhaps something is happening in detached mode. Try# ICO in detached mode to a log file.s   RUN/DETACHED/OUTPUT...   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.320 ************************