1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 16 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 332       Contents: Re: %DRA,RWMBX TIMEOUT Re: %DRA,RWMBX TIMEOUT Re: %DRA,RWMBX TIMEOUT# Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday  Re: COE, ODS-5 and Spiralog.: Compaq COBOL T2.8 for Alpha - request for field test sites7 Re: Compaq Enterprise Directory Services for e-Business  Re: Could linux become VMS?  Re: Could linux become VMS?  Re: Could linux become VMS?  Re: Could linux become VMS?  Re: Could linux become VMS?  Re: DECServer break key problem  Re: doubts about using edit/TPU  Re: Linus' comments about VMS  Re: Linus' comments about VMS  Re: Open Letter to HP  Re: Open Letter to HP  SET WATCH question2 RE: SSH v2 (was Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS...) Re: VMS advertising suggestion4 Re: VMS as a example of disaster and fault tolerance' Re: Why is Compaq memory so expensive ? ' Re: Why is Compaq memory so expensive ? ' Re: Why is Compaq memory so expensive ? & Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?* Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?* Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?* Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?* Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?* Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?* Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?* Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ? Re: xtoolkit error Re: __asm__ in DEC CXX RE: __asm__ in DEC CXX  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:46:44 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>  Subject: Re: %DRA,RWMBX TIMEOUT & Message-ID: <3D0C4263.9D9C9E5@Free.fr>   Please post in plain text.  ) 1. this is more conform to the Netiquette G 2. this is more pleasant to read when all other posts are in plain text 6 3. this allows your text to keep its alignment format.   Thanks,    D.  $ Carl Bennett wrote (in HTML format): ../..    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:43:42 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: %DRA,RWMBX TIMEOUT $ Message-ID: <3D0C5DCE.30409@home.nl>  O I'm not surprised Compaq will balk at the old firmware. I doubt very much that  K VMS 7.1 is certified for this firmware release. Console version 6.0 is the   current release !!  Q And how about the firmware for the Mylex, is it ancient too? Most likely, so you   should upgrade that as well.  D And afaik VMS 7.1 isn't supported either anymore, 7.2-2 and 7.3 are.  Q You can call in Compaq of course, but what do you expect from them ? Looking for  J the cause of errors in a unsupported configuration is often a futile job, K specially when it is so easy to get this configuration in a more supported  N state. Even a 10 year old can upgrade firmware, so why didn't someone do that  before VMS 7.1 was installed ?  
 My advise:  * 1. Get your firmware situation sorted out.H 2. Check if there are VMS 7.1 patches for drivers for these controllers.M 3. Even better, see if you can upgrade to 7.2-2 or 7.3 (and don't forget the   patches either)    Regards,   Dirk       Carl Bennett wrote: K >     I do phone in tech support for a VAR and was working with someone on  K > an alphaserver 1200 running OVMS 7.1, 768 Mb Ram, 6 * 4.3 Gb Scsi drives  + > on a KZPAC-CA 3 Channel raid controller.. G >     In November, the system locked up with a %DRA error that we were  H > never able to track down.. except that it did it again last week, and J > whenever this happens, the only thing she can do to get into the system K > is a hard reboot, as everything locks up,, makes troubleshooting it over  G > the phone almost impossible... the only other record that we have of  G > this kind of error popping up was from about five years ago, and was  J > fixed by bumping up defmbxmsgquo to about 10,000.. this system has that 5 > set at 64,000 (max) so it's not really an option... E >     didn't know if anyone else had ever seen this kind of an error  K > before... I will prob bring Compaq in on it direct next week, but I know  J > that they will balk at the old firmware.. v5.1-3 and will probably want 5 > that upgraded before getting too deeply involved... D >     anyway, would appreciate any insight that anyone might have... >  >  > Carl Bennett > carltbennett@yahoo.com >  >  > + > FAA$ write sys$output f$getsyi("HW_Name")  > AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB3 > FAA$ write sys$output f$getsyi("Console_version")  > V5.1-33 > FAA$ write sys$output f$getsyi("palcode_version") 	 > 1.19-14  > FAA$ mc sysman io show bus >   1 > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node FAA  >   < > _Bus__________Node_TR#__Name____________Base CSR__________= >     PCI           8    3    PCI/SCSI       FFFFFFFF81FE2000 = >     PCI           16   3    PCI/SCSI       FFFFFFFF81FE4000 = >     PCI           24   3    PCI/SCSI       FFFFFFFF81FE6000 A >         XBUS          0    6    System Board   FFFFFFFF81FF4000 A >         XBUS          1    6    Floppy         FFFFFFFF81FF4000 A >         XBUS          2    6    Parallel Port  FFFFFFFF81FF4000 A >         XBUS          3    6    Serial Port    FFFFFFFF81FF4000 = >     PCI           24   4    PCI/NI         FFFFFFFF8221C000 = >     PCI           32   4    PCI/RAID       FFFFFFFF8221E000 ; >   MC_BUS        1    2    Unknown device 0000000000000000  > FAA$ sh cpu /full  >   # > FAA, a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB J > Multiprocessing is DISABLED. Uniprocessing synchronization image loaded.2 > Minimum multiprocessing revision levels: CPU = 1 >    > System Page Size = 8192  > System Revision Code =# > System Serial Number = BT00000000  > Default CPU Capabilities: $ >         System:         QUORUM RUN > Default Process Capabilities: $ >         System:         QUORUM RUN >    > PRIMARY CPU = 00 >    > CPU 00 is in RUN state1 > Current Process: _RTA1:          PID = 000004B4  > Serial Number: > Revision: * > VAX floating point operations supported.: > IEEE floating point operations and data types supported.  > Processor is Primary Eligible." > PALCODE: Revision Code = 1.19-01% >          PALcode Compatibility = 14 ( >          Maximum Shared Processors = 4> >          Memory Space:  Physical address = 00000000 00000000$ >                         Length = 0> >          Scratch Space: Physical address = 00000000 00000000$ >                         Length = 0 > Capabilities of this CPU: , >         System:         PRIMARY QUORUM RUN/ > Processes which can only execute on this CPU: E >         NETACP           PID = 0000008E  Reason: PRIMARY Capability  > FAA$ sh dev d  >   I > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free    > Trans Mnt I >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks   > Count Cnt K > DSA0:                   Mounted              0  OVMS71         3797970    	 > 403   1 A > DSA1:                   Mounted              0  FAALIV           > 1972305    40   1 0 > $1$DKA500:       (FAA)  Online wrtlck        0C > $1$DRA0:         (FAA)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) C > $1$DRA1:         (FAA)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA1:) A > $1$DRA2:         (FAA)  Mounted              0  FAAALT           > 2227860     2   1 C > $1$DRA3:         (FAA)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA0:) C > $1$DRA4:         (FAA)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA1:) A > $1$DRA5:         (FAA)  Mounted              0  FAAALT2          > 1956627     1   1 0 > $1$DRMA0:        (FAA)  Online               00 > $1$DVA0:         (FAA)  Online               0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:05:48 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: %DRA,RWMBX TIMEOUT 5 Message-ID: <aehr01$6sncu$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   I OK, so you're running an unsupported configuration. But that ran well for  the past 8 months.? Any changes recently on the system, like,say, a network change? K I am not familiar with defmbxmsgquo, does it have any side effects on other  SYSGEN parameters?   Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:37:59 +0200 ' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not> , Subject: Re: Carly was here in ZKO yesterday( Message-ID: <3D0C86A7.6DE64344@spam.not>   Dave Weatherall wrote: > E > > Why do you think so? There is a long term analysis available from D > > Rational that comes to the conclusion that Ada is *at least* twoE > > times as productive than C. The author says that C++ might change H > > the picture in the future. This is true but in a different directionC > > than the author thought, C++ es even worse. Why should a decent $ > > company switch from Ada to C++?? > 
 > Hi Christof A >                      well I might be wrong but I had gained the G > impression that they were more geared to C/C++ than anything else. It G > might be nothing simpler than the fact that the most of APEX seems to F > revolve around the GUI (the only thing that tells you you're on UnixF > is the filename window, with all those "/"s). The member of my groupH > who knows Ada quite well tells me that his previous group's experienceH > of doing X/Motif in Ada was not striaghtforward. The bindings were notC > easy to use. This is not surprising when X seems to be a C thing.  > C > Maybe I'll ask the Rational man the next time he's in the office.   $ I'm really interested in his answer!  D I can't pass the URL to that article at that moment because I don't E have access to the data area where it is stored but it were Rational  B who did this analysis. It might well be the case that they have a ; mixed environment and the GUI part is done in C++. For GUI  C programming you need a good library as the native APIs for X11 and  & WNT are a nightmare and too low level.   --  ? According to the Quality Assurance Institute C/C++/ObjC, PERL,  @ UNIX (incl. Linux) and Windows/XY are regarded as harmful. Java 0 is slow and the class library is badly designed.7 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please reverse the sequence    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:22:59 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: COE, ODS-5 and Spiralog. ' Message-ID: <3D0CBF33.F996AA33@fsi.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3D0BDB07.7C9D7098@fsi.net...  >  > ...  > D > > I thought those *WERE* the "bugs" "they" couldn't work out ... ? > L > The problem is your use of the word "couldn't" rather than "didn't".  It'sH > quite a bit like the 'failure' of VMS and Alpha:  it's not that Compaq) > *couldn't* make them more successful...   $ Point taken - excellent observation.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2002 05:11:30 -0700( From: don.braffitt@hp.com (Don Braffitt)C Subject: Compaq COBOL T2.8 for Alpha - request for field test sites = Message-ID: <e5c311b8.0206160411.13d4501a@posting.google.com>   ? The next version of Compaq COBOL is now in field test on Alpha:      OpenVMS Alpha    Tru64 UNIX  ( T2.8 includes the following beyond V2.7:  #   * Run-time currency sign handling ?   * Enhanced support for extended (>65,535 bytes) alphanumerics !   * GEM upgrade from BL44 to BL48 8   * Enhanced support for RMS Journaling on OpenVMS AlphaN   * Run-time performance improvements with the reenabling of decimal shadowing5   * Unified doc set for Compaq COBOL on VAX and Alpha    * Several bug fixes   B If you would be interested in field testing Compaq COBOL on Alpha,1 complete and return the field test questionnaire:   E   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/cobol/ft_questionnaire.txt    - Don Braffitt&   Compaq COBOL and SORT project leader   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Jun 2002 00:13:37 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@ Subject: Re: Compaq Enterprise Directory Services for e-Business- Message-ID: <87ptyr19se.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    > Brian Tillman wrote:  > > > Why does it run only on Alpha???  There doesn't seem to beC > > anything special about it that requires Alpha.  The software it  > > needs also runs on VAXes   C > My guess is that VAX-VMS was silently matured and no new features A > will be added other than to maintain the ability to continue to  > participate in a cluster.    C > And you'll note that HP has yet to say anything about VAX support  > and VMS on VAX.   / Just think of it as Compaq comitment in action.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2002 06:16:06 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) $ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-TZNMfSR5qFud@localhost>   F On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:54:46 UTC, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  wrote:  g > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-S9xTg8o0s0q6@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: : > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:55:21 UTC, "David J. Dachtera" " > > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > >  > > snipped...   > >  > >>  M > >> ....and if you don't have another computer running, your screwed without  > >> the hard-copy.  > > H > > True Dave but that's why everybody/household _has_ to have at least G > > two. I can't remember a Win9x/NT install upgrade I've done at home  E > > where I haven't needed access to the Internet to get a fix, bios   > > upgrade or driver. > > O > How true. I would have never got my NT box online (1997) without my laptop to  > ask for assistance.  > Q > The same is currently true for SuSE 8.0. It refuses to bring up the network and N > I need a boatload of patches to Yast to be able to configure it. It's eitherF > burn a CD time or install 7.n to get those patches onto the syystem. > C > Nah, given the quotes from Linus, I'll scrap Linux altogether :-)   D Strange, when I first tapped in my reply to David I nearly included F Linux in the statement. I think it was Caldera 2.2 or 2.3. The Suse's C I've done over the years, I've managed without. Was thinking about  @ getting Suse 8.0, maybe I'll wait for 8.1. I barely use the 7.1 F installation I've got on the other machine. (but that applies to everyB Linux I've loaded since 1994). I can't my head around those funny   commands and case sensitivity...   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2002 06:16:08 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) $ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-9Jc55QQNkqfd@localhost>   B On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:05:53 UTC, snowball@hotmail.com (Aristotle  SnowNasis) wrote:   P > In article <mQ2tKO1eEC0+@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@encompasserve.org 	 > says...  > > A > >In article <3D088E00.6E48E8FA@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt  ' > <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:  > >> "Jan C. Vorbrggen" wrote:  > >>  I > >>> What Unix commands, as a collective, are lacking is consistency and H > >>> memorability. My mind works differently from a computer, thank you > >>> very much. > >>  ' > >> Okay, here's a quick test for you:  > >>  C > >>  o  Precisely which VMS commands implement a /PRINT qualifier? " > >>      ...An /OUTPUT qualifier? > >>   > >  > >   Ask the wrong question...  > > G > >   We all know what th /print qualifier does, don't we?  We all know @ > >   what the /output qualifier does, too.  That's consistency. > > 5 > >   So what does -r mean?  There is no consistency.  > & > Not unlike picking /all and /full??? >  > > 9 > >> Now, contrast that with the analagous Unix question:  > >>  > > >>   o Which Unix commands allow their output to be printed? > >>       ...saved to a file? > >>   > > I > >   Like VMS, all of them.  If you don't know how, I suggest you learn.  > R > Doesn't matter as all command output can be piped to a printer "|". All command 1 > output can be redirected to a file ">" or ">>".  >  > Not a parameter in sight...   = Yeah it is very powerful . I know a system manager who, by a  ( mis-typing accident,  did something like   	ls * >protocol    in the /etc directory. Ooops!!.    -- C Cheers - Dave.  B PS he was trying t o find out what TCP/IP ports were allocated to D which protocols for me. At the time I didn't know they were held in  the file 'protocol'. I do now !o   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 02 12:19:30 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) $ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?) Message-ID: <ch9PW3REdqmX@elias.decus.ch>S  e In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-TZNMfSR5qFud@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes: H > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 08:54:46 UTC, p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  > wrote: > h >> In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-S9xTg8o0s0q6@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:; >> > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:55:21 UTC, "David J. Dachtera" t# >> > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  >> > v >> > snipped...  >> > e >> >> N >> >> ....and if you don't have another computer running, your screwed without >> >> the hard-copy. >> > PI >> > True Dave but that's why everybody/household _has_ to have at least eH >> > two. I can't remember a Win9x/NT install upgrade I've done at home F >> > where I haven't needed access to the Internet to get a fix, bios  >> > upgrade or driver.? >> > hP >> How true. I would have never got my NT box online (1997) without my laptop to >> ask for assistance. >> -R >> The same is currently true for SuSE 8.0. It refuses to bring up the network andO >> I need a boatload of patches to Yast to be able to configure it. It's either:G >> burn a CD time or install 7.n to get those patches onto the syystem.e >>  D >> Nah, given the quotes from Linus, I'll scrap Linux altogether :-) > F > Strange, when I first tapped in my reply to David I nearly included H > Linux in the statement. I think it was Caldera 2.2 or 2.3. The Suse's E > I've done over the years, I've managed without. Was thinking about  B > getting Suse 8.0, maybe I'll wait for 8.1. I barely use the 7.1 H > installation I've got on the other machine. (but that applies to everyD > Linux I've loaded since 1994). I can't my head around those funny " > commands and case sensitivity... >   I My first attempt with Linux (Data Becker - Red Hat 5.n, the documentation D contained an excellent intro for a beginner) illustrates that point.L At the time I didn't have a net connection at home so I was downloading infoJ onto floppies and taking them home to study. I lost count of the number ofO times I realised that what I had downloaded didn't address the problem in hand,tJ and came to the conclusion that net access is a mandatory prerequisite for tackling Linux.i  L I can cope with weird commands (memories of ICL, IBM, and a lack of keyboardI skills, we had key punch operators to do that :-) ), but still get mighty. frustrated at times.  O I'm currently trying to come to grips with a Mac iBook. OS X may be a wonderfultK thing, but a unix based system without a pipe character on the keyboad (noroI square nor curly brackets for that matter) does present certain problems. & It crashes too - 3 times yesterday :-(   __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:39:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l$ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?, Message-ID: <3D0C7902.D50489B6@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote:oQ > I'm currently trying to come to grips with a Mac iBook. OS X may be a wonderful M > thing, but a unix based system without a pipe character on the keyboad (norkK > square nor curly brackets for that matter) does present certain problems.o( > It crashes too - 3 times yesterday :-(  G Not sure how it applies to OS-X, but on previous version, you could use I ResEdit to change keyboard maps. My Apple keyboard has a DEC LK201 frencht canadian key mapping :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 02 14:22:39 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)l$ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?) Message-ID: <eT3OO5CiYYdK@elias.decus.ch>   \ In article <3D0C7902.D50489B6@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Paul Sture wrote:nR >> I'm currently trying to come to grips with a Mac iBook. OS X may be a wonderfulN >> thing, but a unix based system without a pipe character on the keyboad (norL >> square nor curly brackets for that matter) does present certain problems.) >> It crashes too - 3 times yesterday :-(u > I > Not sure how it applies to OS-X, but on previous version, you could use K > ResEdit to change keyboard maps. My Apple keyboard has a DEC LK201 frenche > canadian key mapping :-)  C Can't find that, but you have set me in the right direction thanks.2 __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:57:22 +0200C" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>( Subject: Re: DECServer break key problem5 Message-ID: <aei1gu$6o6p0$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>p  B IIRC there is a SET/DEFINE PORT <port#> BREAK command. At least on DS200/300'sFK so given DEC's sense for upwards compatibility it's there on the DS700 too.0H What it does is allow you to define a substitute character for the BREAK char. J That way you can send BREAK to a remote OPA0: device across two DECservers (one running reverse LAT). Hans3 Alan Frame <maryh1nge@hotmail.com> wrote in message07 news:abe7363f.0206130602.2d5e56ef@posting.google.com...g > Hello All, >i9 > Can anyone please help me with a DECServer 700 problem.UF > The Decserver is used to access terminals from a LAN, and one of theH > terminals requires a "break" condition to be applied to the RS232 line+ > before it will bring up the login prompt.aD > I have tried everything that I can see in the configuration of the5 > server, but can't get it to pass a break condition.s3 > Has anyone any ideas ( firstly, can it be done?).  >eD > For completeness, I telnet into the decserver using the appropriteE > port ( 2005 ), and from there need to be able to map a key that theiF > decserver will understand and pass the break condition down the port > to the terminal. >x+ > Any suggestions would be gladly received.  >c > thanks in advance=   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:46:09 +0200h" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>( Subject: Re: doubts about using edit/TPU5 Message-ID: <aei0rs$6vdfj$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   L Thank you, that INIT file might get me to use EVE after 20 years of EDT (and KED).E  9 Peter LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message / news:8rwO8.245523$305.3428654@news.chello.at...e; > In article <3D0A3FAC.9040908@xs4all.nospam.nl>, Bart Zorn ! <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes:  > >Atlant Schmidt wrote:L > TPU IF GET_INFO (SCREEN, "MOTIF") THEN SET (MOUSE,ON) ELSE SET (MOUSE,OFF) ENDIF ! > DEF KEY=CONTROL-B SET WIDTH 132S  > DEF KEY=CONTROL-N SET WIDTH 80 > DEF KEY=F8 QUIT  > DEF KEY=GOLD-E EXIT4 > DEF KEY=GOLD-Q QUIT 8 > DEF KEY=GOLD-X TPU WRITE_FILE (SELECT_RANGE,"TMP.TMP")# > DEF KEY=GOLD-LEFT  "SHIFT LEFT 8"D$ > DEF KEY=GOLD-RIGHT "SHIFT RIGHT 8" > SET CURSOR BOUND > SET NOEXIT ATTRIBUTE CHECK > SET SCROLL MARGIN 7 7  > SET NOWRAP > SET KEYPAD EDT >2 > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistf > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atK > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMSn Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:18:36 +0200)" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>& Subject: Re: Linus' comments about VMS5 Message-ID: <aehrum$719tm$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>0  I I missed the start of the thread. The answer is obviously that there's noB way the K VMS source code can be maintained like a unix look alike. Unix was designedn around aJ small kernel and all user functionality is delivered by a large collection of small tools.hC The main advantage is flexibility (i.e. independence) in design andm development. TheI downside is that there's hardly any standardization in those tools. These-
 arguments are G not mine, they can be found in books by Bourne, Kernighan and Pike etc.pH The point is that in the early 70's o/s design was not a science. For an open community that isD an advantage. No way that you'd want an untrained programmer work on something simple! like the VMS lock manager, right?e   Hans  2 Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not> wrote in message" news:3D0BB8E3.8450CF1D@spam.not... > Hans Vlems wrote:  > >hD > > Why care what a guy said who made a copy of a someone elses o/s?I > > Just the fact that he got it going on an i386 hardly makes him as o/sp
 > > designer.  > F > Good point. The problem is that the original topic of the thread wasG > whether Linux could be VMS or vice versa (or was it whether VMS could+J > have the same development support by open source programmers as Linux?). >tB > Anyway Linux is there and will stay probably for a certain time.C > I don't see the end of Linux. We have to live with this guy named) > Torvalds.o >y > --@ > According to the Quality Assurance Institute C/C++/ObjC, PERL,A > UNIX (incl. Linux) and Windows/XY are regarded as harmful. Javan2 > is slow and the class library is badly designed.9 > moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please reverse the sequenceR   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:27:28 +0200h' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not>t& Subject: Re: Linus' comments about VMS( Message-ID: <3D0C8430.77E34504@spam.not>   Hans Vlems wrote:a > S > I missed the start of the thread. The answer is obviously that there's no way theoV > VMS source code can be maintained like a unix look alike. Unix was designed around aL > small kernel and all user functionality is delivered by a large collection > of small tools.QV > The main advantage is flexibility (i.e. independence) in design and development. TheY > downside is that there's hardly any standardization in those tools. These arguments areiI > not mine, they can be found in books by Bourne, Kernighan and Pike etc. Z > The point is that in the early 70's o/s design was not a science. For an open community _ > that is an advantage. No way that you'd want an untrained programmer work on something simplet# > like the VMS lock manager, right?.   :-) :-)n  ) It seems that you're saying that quality 8, cannot be achieved by open source projects.  Do you think so?  ( It seems that you're implying that only 3 untrained programmers work in open source projects.h Do you think so?  E What do you think about the FreeVMS project that uses a Linux kernel qC as starting point but want to achieve something similar as VMS? My nB point is that the design contraints are already there which could > make this project suitable for open source newbie programmers.   -- w? According to the Quality Assurance Institute C/C++/ObjC, PERL,  @ UNIX (incl. Linux) and Windows/XY are regarded as harmful. Java 0 is slow and the class library is badly designed.7 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please reverse the sequence1   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 02 11:22:55 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)l Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP) Message-ID: <lfrc+yKgP2tl@elias.decus.ch>i  f In article <ZTMO8.253106$305.3550811@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:r > In article <SeMO8.351746$t8_.295721@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:J >>So maybe the logo on the side of the Williams BMW should be changed from >>'Compaq' to 'OpenVMS'. > I > No. OpenVMS has unfortunately nothing in common with Q's F1 activities.B > N > And only the word "OpenVMS" is not enough as an ad. You also need to let theR > crowd know that: OpenVMS is an operating system, is from HPQ (previously COMPAQ,N > previously DEC) and is much better for enterprise computing (and all others,J > too) than all the toys from the competition. Then and only then a simple/ > reminder "OpenVMS" on the F1 cars can help...i > N Ah, now you remind me of the CA ads for TNG (or whatever it's called nowadays)A specifically mentioning F1. IIRC those ads were in The Economist.u  : Not hign on technical detail, but it got a message across. __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:40:55 +0200t) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>a Subject: Re: Open Letter to HP- Message-ID: <3D0C5D27.60603@xs4all.nospam.nl>a   Paul Sture wrote:rh > In article <ZTMO8.253106$305.3550811@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes: > r >>In article <SeMO8.351746$t8_.295721@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>K >>>So maybe the logo on the side of the Williams BMW should be changed from  >>>'Compaq' to 'OpenVMS'.i >>I >>No. OpenVMS has unfortunately nothing in common with Q's F1 activities.o >>N >>And only the word "OpenVMS" is not enough as an ad. You also need to let theR >>crowd know that: OpenVMS is an operating system, is from HPQ (previously COMPAQ,N >>previously DEC) and is much better for enterprise computing (and all others,J >>too) than all the toys from the competition. Then and only then a simple/ >>reminder "OpenVMS" on the F1 cars can help...S >> > P > Ah, now you remind me of the CA ads for TNG (or whatever it's called nowadays)C > specifically mentioning F1. IIRC those ads were in The Economist.t > < > Not hign on technical detail, but it got a message across. > __ > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandn  E What about the fact that in the same period that those ads appeared, h@ McLaren wasn't doing very well in the F1? They had all kinds of > communication problems within the team and lost several races.  	 Bart Zorne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:11:38 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: SET WATCH questionm, Message-ID: <3D0CB8BA.D536ADD6@videotron.ca>  J In a SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=ALL question, when I see a "Deaccess", does this
 mean $CLOSE ?a  R Also, when it requests access to a file, there is an Access=xxxx and Status=xxxxxx  0 Does the Access= equate to the FAB$L_FOB field ?  N I traced what ALL-IN-1 does on a dataset when it opens it. It seems to open itN READ only until you need to write to it, at which point it seems to re-open itK READ-WRITE (based on a SET ACL ALARM=SECURITY on the indexed file), but thea$ Access=xxxxx seems not to match that  H (First access is a value of 1 which seems to be PUT, when A1 seems to be opening it as GET)  K Also, can one confirm that an ALARM=SECURITY ACE is triggered only when the4J file is opened ? (is there one that could be added to get the arms when it	 closes ?)s   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC)m From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk; Subject: RE: SSH v2 (was Re: OpenVMS, Volume Desktop OS...) + Message-ID: <aeiecf$74d$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>   _ In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIGEBJFDAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:c ><( >Just curious why you don't use openssh? >>  N Although OPENSSL is available for VMS openssh is ( as far as I am aware ) not.O I seem to recall having some discussions with Richard Levitte when he announcedVK he was working on BAMSE (see below) as to whether he had considered portingcO openssh instead. As I recall he had looked at it but had concluded that the waym7 the code was written would make porting very difficult.r  M The only public domain SSH server available for VMS is David Jones SSH servern6 see http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~JONESD/ssh/DOC/  / This is a SSH v1.5 server not an SSH v2 server.   ? The only public domain SSH client available for VMS is  RichardeK Levitte's FISH (see http://www.free.lp.se/fish/ ) although he is working on H a new client (and library) called BAMSE see http://www.free.lp.se/bamse/! which will support SSH version 2.   G I currently use both David Jones SSH server and FISH on my VMS systems.      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:43:49 +0200n- From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>'' Subject: Re: VMS advertising suggestione' Message-ID: <3D0C41B5.51F99321@Free.fr>t   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >a
 > > Scenario:. > > 4 > > Carly rummaging through an old abandonned attic.   > Open doory Opened.d   > light offh1 You are nearly to be eaten by a lurking CompaGruer  
 > light on light is on.   > look0 There is a glowing box hidden under a hay stack.   > Take box.t& You have taken a VMS distribution kit.# There is a text written on the box.    > read text." The text written on the box reads:7 "HP understands treasures were not meant to be hidden".r" "The new HP, expect more to come".  
 > open box Opened.c There is a gem in the box.   > scoreaG Your score is 5 on 585. This gives you the rank of beginner Adventurer.e   D.  > (VMS is to operating systems what Dungeon was to arcade games)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:55:01 +0100 ; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>n= Subject: Re: VMS as a example of disaster and fault tolerance / Message-ID: <aeiigg$q2a$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>s  	 Try this:   2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/success-stories.html  # O-Dzin Tridral wrote in message ...rI >I would appreciate a few examples of VMS configurations designed to dealb with >faults and disasters. > D >The reason for my query is that I have an opportunity to talk about	 improving'G >reliability of systems.  Although VMS usage is gradually decreasing ate Cardiff,L >I have a background of 14 years experience from a previous job and I know a! >little of what it is capable of.p > E >Unfortunately I never played a system management role and so was notE directlyJ >involved in configuration.  However our system manager in my previous job had I >been extremely successful in creating a number of VMS installations that  served >the business very well indeed.> >hK >Some real-world example of the service VMS provides to businesses would be,L >helpful, and some technical notes, if possible re clustering (how far apart doH >you keep your cluster members, what do you use to link them) and volume? >shadowing (how far apart do you keep your shadow set members).e >0H >The kind of server systems we use (netware, NT, Sun) provide databases, files,L >disk space and print services.  The clients are mostly WNT, moving to XP at some >stage.o >  >Thank you for any information.  >s >'o-Dzin >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:33:13 GMT  From: system@SendSpamHere.ORGf0 Subject: Re: Why is Compaq memory so expensive ?0 Message-ID: <00A0F890.8917007A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <yrQO8.292$6a.137@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@ACM5.org> writes: >system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:t >dF >> In article <ugmf9ibhrguaa9@news.supernews.com>, "Island (hpaq.net)"" >> <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: >>>Even better >>> I >>>Most Compaq memory IS Infineon memory with the compaq hologram stickerl >>>added to it >>>o7 >>>That is the big difference - a 19,200 Euro sticker !t >>   >> .1 >> Wow!  Holograms are that expensive to produce?c >o/ >No, just to sell, all that marketing and such.a  4 Facetious sarcasm is so wasted in this newsgroup. :( --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh            m5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" -   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:25:33 GMTm1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>:0 Subject: Re: Why is Compaq memory so expensive ?' Message-ID: <3D0CBFCE.E7EE95DA@fsi.net>o   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > l > In article <yrQO8.292$6a.137@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@ACM5.org> writes:! > >system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:c > >bH > >> In article <ugmf9ibhrguaa9@news.supernews.com>, "Island (hpaq.net)"$ > >> <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: > >>>Even better > >>>tK > >>>Most Compaq memory IS Infineon memory with the compaq hologram stickerl > >>>added to it > >>>19 > >>>That is the big difference - a 19,200 Euro sticker !- > >> > >>3 > >> Wow!  Holograms are that expensive to produce?e > >h1 > >No, just to sell, all that marketing and such.? > 6 > Facetious sarcasm is so wasted in this newsgroup. :(   Oh, I dunno...  6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  D You mean, you trade a cash cow for a few worthless (java?) beans and@ they end up lifting you into the clouds on a gigantic beanstalk?   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:47:29 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>g0 Subject: Re: Why is Compaq memory so expensive ?' Message-ID: <3D0CC4F0.B993AEFD@fsi.net>a   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >   > system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >an > > In article <yrQO8.292$6a.137@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "C.W.Holeman II" <cwhii5@ACM5.org> writes:# > > >system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:D > > >rJ > > >> In article <ugmf9ibhrguaa9@news.supernews.com>, "Island (hpaq.net)"& > > >> <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: > > >>>Even better > > >>> M > > >>>Most Compaq memory IS Infineon memory with the compaq hologram stickerD > > >>>added to it > > >>>l; > > >>>That is the big difference - a 19,200 Euro sticker !  > > >> > > >>5 > > >> Wow!  Holograms are that expensive to produce?r > > >o3 > > >No, just to sell, all that marketing and such.@ > >i8 > > Facetious sarcasm is so wasted in this newsgroup. :( >  > Oh, I dunno... > 8 > >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > F > You mean, you trade a cash cow for a few worthless (java?) beans andB > they end up lifting you into the clouds on a gigantic beanstalk?  ? 'Guess I should have included a comment about fairy tales, huh?    -- e David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:37:18 +0200e From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>/ Subject: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?m& Message-ID: <3D0C786E.4070601@home.nl>  Q I noticed something very peculiar about the TCPIP routing database. I would have g@ expected that it is in SYS$SPECIFIC, but instead the default is # SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT.   N Suppose you have a multi site VMS cluster. Then you can expect that the nodes Q are in different TCPIP networks, and thus have a different default gateway. That  O means thet every node needs it's own routing database, and that again means it  % should be in SYS$SPECIFIC in my view.s   Puzzling ......    Regards,   Dirk   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:13:33 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.3 Subject: Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?I, Message-ID: <3D0C80EA.31E87E98@videotron.ca>   Dirk Munk wrote: > R > I noticed something very peculiar about the TCPIP routing database. I would haveA > expected that it is in SYS$SPECIFIC, but instead the default isO% > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT.T   My speculation:D  M If all nodes of a VMScluster must be in the same LAN, (eg: SCS not routable), 5 does it make sense to have different routing tables ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:20:19 +0200e" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>3 Subject: Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?S5 Message-ID: <aehvbd$6pde2$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>n  H IMHO the last thing you'd want in a VMS cluster is that its availability getsH affected by a an external unit such as an IP router. Putting the routing databaseH in SYS$COMMON at least suggests to have all cluster nodes in the same IP network.G There are probably many sites that still happily use 10.* and 192.168.*a networks on their LAN all ( routed by one box (per set of networks).   HansJ Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3D0C786E.4070601@home.nl...G > I noticed something very peculiar about the TCPIP routing database. I 
 would haveA > expected that it is in SYS$SPECIFIC, but instead the default ist% > SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT.  >eI > Suppose you have a multi site VMS cluster. Then you can expect that the  nodes D > are in different TCPIP networks, and thus have a different default
 gateway. ThatvG > means thet every node needs it's own routing database, and that again  means it' > should be in SYS$SPECIFIC in my view.  >r > Puzzling ......m >p
 > Regards, >n > Dirk >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:16:40 +0200w) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> 3 Subject: Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ? / Message-ID: <3D0C81A8.7000805@xs4all.nospam.nl>    JF Mezei wrote:h > Dirk Munk wrote: > R >>I noticed something very peculiar about the TCPIP routing database. I would haveA >>expected that it is in SYS$SPECIFIC, but instead the default iso% >>SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT.w >  >  > My speculation:s > O > If all nodes of a VMScluster must be in the same LAN, (eg: SCS not routable),h7 > does it make sense to have different routing tables ?t  D Ever heard of multiple LAN adapters, one (or more) used for cluster C traffic and one (or more) OTHER for DECnet, TCP/IP etc.? The first  E category will be in one switched VLAN. The other may be in different e$ VLAN's with routers in between them.     MY speculation:u  B TCP/IP engineering doesn't know too much about VMS clusters. Home G directories for the different TCP/IP service accounts are sometimes in 4G SYS$SYSDEVICE, sometimes in SYS$SPECIFIC. I think it's about time they  H did properly support for VMS clusters. One thing that should be done is I that everything pertaining to TCP/IP goes into it's own rooted directory nH tree. This would make it easier to maintain. It *is* a layered product, 
 after all.  	 Bart Zornv   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 02 14:39:29 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture) 3 Subject: Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ? ) Message-ID: <GjHU9B57PYtg@elias.decus.ch>o  [ In article <3D0C81A8.7000805@xs4all.nospam.nl>, Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes:n > JF Mezei wrote:m >> Dirk Munk wrote:a >> aS >>>I noticed something very peculiar about the TCPIP routing database. I would havetB >>>expected that it is in SYS$SPECIFIC, but instead the default is& >>>SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT. >> n >> c >> My speculation: >> kP >> If all nodes of a VMScluster must be in the same LAN, (eg: SCS not routable),8 >> does it make sense to have different routing tables ? > F > Ever heard of multiple LAN adapters, one (or more) used for cluster E > traffic and one (or more) OTHER for DECnet, TCP/IP etc.? The first iG > category will be in one switched VLAN. The other may be in different f& > VLAN's with routers in between them. >  >  > MY speculation:y > D > TCP/IP engineering doesn't know too much about VMS clusters. Home I > directories for the different TCP/IP service accounts are sometimes in sI > SYS$SYSDEVICE, sometimes in SYS$SPECIFIC. I think it's about time they -J > did properly support for VMS clusters. One thing that should be done is K > that everything pertaining to TCP/IP goes into it's own rooted directory KJ > tree. This would make it easier to maintain. It *is* a layered product,  > after all. > ; I believe there is some justification for your speculation.6H The UAF entry for NTP points at SYS$SPECIFIC rather than SYS$SYSROOT forM example. When we implented NTP on our systems we rearranged that structure sohJ that the login and TCPIP$NTP.CONF files live in SYS$COMMON and the logs in
 SYS$SPECIFIC.    __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:10:29 +0200e) From: Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl>g3 Subject: Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?y/ Message-ID: <3D0C9C55.6060803@xs4all.nospam.nl>    Hans Vlems wrote:oJ > IMHO the last thing you'd want in a VMS cluster is that its availability > getsJ > affected by a an external unit such as an IP router. Putting the routing
 > databaseJ > in SYS$COMMON at least suggests to have all cluster nodes in the same IP
 > network.I > There are probably many sites that still happily use 10.* and 192.168.*  > networks on their LAN all * > routed by one box (per set of networks).  I Since when is the availability of an OpenVMS cluster dependant on TCP/IP?u  B OK, if the only way to access the cluster from outside is through G TCP/IP, you may be rigth. However, there isn't much you can do in that .4 case, unless you are also the network administrator.  	 Bart Zorn>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:12:20 +0200" From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>3 Subject: Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?l& Message-ID: <3D0C9CC4.4090003@home.nl>   Bart Zorn wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> Dirk Munk wrote:  >>J >>> I noticed something very peculiar about the TCPIP routing database. I  >>> would haveC >>> expected that it is in SYS$SPECIFIC, but instead the default iss' >>> SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT.r >> >> >> >> My speculation: >>F >> If all nodes of a VMScluster must be in the same LAN, (eg: SCS not 
 >> routable),T8 >> does it make sense to have different routing tables ? >  > F > Ever heard of multiple LAN adapters, one (or more) used for cluster E > traffic and one (or more) OTHER for DECnet, TCP/IP etc.? The first aG > category will be in one switched VLAN. The other may be in different t& > VLAN's with routers in between them.   Indeed, that is our setup !e     >  >  > MY speculation:h > D > TCP/IP engineering doesn't know too much about VMS clusters. Home I > directories for the different TCP/IP service accounts are sometimes in aI > SYS$SYSDEVICE, sometimes in SYS$SPECIFIC. I think it's about time they 0J > did properly support for VMS clusters. One thing that should be done is K > that everything pertaining to TCP/IP goes into it's own rooted directory TJ > tree. This would make it easier to maintain. It *is* a layered product,  > after all. >  > Bart Zorns >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2002 09:41:30 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)c3 Subject: Re: Why is TCPIP$ROUTE.DAT in SYS$COMMON ?I3 Message-ID: <tsXAkpCWAxJ3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3D0C9C55.6060803@xs4all.nospam.nl>, Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@xs4all.nospam.nl> writes:t > Hans Vlems wrote: K >> IMHO the last thing you'd want in a VMS cluster is that its availabilityh >> gets K >> affected by a an external unit such as an IP router. Putting the routingh >> databaseEK >> in SYS$COMMON at least suggests to have all cluster nodes in the same IPo >> network.tJ >> There are probably many sites that still happily use 10.* and 192.168.* >> networks on their LAN all+ >> routed by one box (per set of networks).u > K > Since when is the availability of an OpenVMS cluster dependant on TCP/IP?4 > D > OK, if the only way to access the cluster from outside is through  > TCP/IP, you may be rigth.e  C Since when is the availability of a VMS cluster dependent on access  "from outside" ?    :-)a   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2002 10:08:52 -0700- From: merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt)h Subject: Re: xtoolkit errori= Message-ID: <b6bf97d5.0206160908.285f4676@posting.google.com>c  A wel  went through all the sugestions and now its working I wish ItE could have pinpointed what fixed it but I went against the golde rule 1 "change 1 thing at a time" thanks  for the help .M        t chris@applied-synergy.com (Chris Scheers) wrote in message news:<754a27c1.0206102123.729bd32a@posting.google.com>...t > merritt.robert@spsd.sk.ca (rob merritt) wrote in message news:<b6bf97d5.0206080601.108deb68@posting.google.com>...9 > > Thanks guys I tried them both and here is what I got:i > >  > > from create/term/detachf > >  s > > $ create/term/detach/ > > %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open displayJ > >  H! > > from  r decw$examples:ico.exe  > > $ r decw$examples:ico.exex > > $eO > > (i get nothing???? so then I turned on SET WATCH FILE ?CLASS=MAJOR and get)1 > >  > > $ r decw$examples:ico.exei5 > > %XQP, Thread #0, Lookup  (0,0,0) Status: 00000910aA > > %XQP, Thread #0, Access ICO.EXE;1 (8576,2,0) Status: 00000001 N > > %XQP, Thread #0, Deaccess (8576,2,0) Reads: 9, Writes: 0, Status: 00000001 > > $l > >  > > what do you think? > - > Check to see what transports are supported:  > E >     $ Show Logical /Table=DECW$Server0_Table DECW$Server_Transportsh   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Jun 2002 07:09:57 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o Subject: Re: __asm__ in DEC CXXn3 Message-ID: <O8b9jdM+T7Kc@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  R In article <3D0BE2CC.581555D7@lmco.com>, JMK <jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.com> writes: > Larry,  > Thanks again for the response. > I > I was hoping to find that HPQ's CXX compatibility with other sources ofeI > CXX code would work, i.e., early C++, MS, Linux, etc.  By and large, itu? > does work except for occaisional glitches like this one here.a  @ I don't see how Linux could have an __asm__ directive that worksA across multiple computer architectures (and really) does assemblys language for that architecture.g  @ Or are you talking about something that emulates one instruction set on another ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 06:12:04 -0700a# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>g Subject: RE: __asm__ in DEC CXX 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICECFFDAA.tom@kednos.com>t   >-----Original Message-----a5 >From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]S$ >Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 6:10 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >Subject: Re: __asm__ in DEC CXX >u >o. >In article <3D0BE2CC.581555D7@lmco.com>, JMK & ><jeffrey.m.klopotic@lmco.com> writes:	 >> Larry,g! >> Thanks again for the response.y >> vJ >> I was hoping to find that HPQ's CXX compatibility with other sources ofJ >> CXX code would work, i.e., early C++, MS, Linux, etc.  By and large, it@ >> does work except for occaisional glitches like this one here. >pA >I don't see how Linux could have an __asm__ directive that worksnB >across multiple computer architectures (and really) does assembly  >language for that architecture.  J I think it is done by gcc which is specific for the different archtictures   >rA >Or are you talking about something that emulates one instructionw >set on another ?d >a >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.s; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).o@ >Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/2002 >- ----& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/20029   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.332 ************************