1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 24 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 344       Contents: Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Could linux become VMS?   Re: DS20E Hardware Configuration" Re: HP MPE to HP-UX customer plans INFO-VAX not working Re: java jni problem$ Re: LLC for VMS Marketing Volunteers" Re: Need DECNet packet information Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing  Recent version of GNU GCC? Search engines size of exe + Re: TCPIP (and other) PAKa for Hobbyist kit ; Re: The VMS customer minute of the day: Paper Manufacturing / Re: Using old Bookreader files with Windows BNU   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2002 02:57 CDT ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers - Message-ID: <22JUN200202572615@gerg.tamu.edu>   + Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not> writes... G }There is no difference in pronunciation. But there is a difference in  J }written and spoken language and as long as we are using written language J }to communicate with other people and machines we should not restrict the $ }possibilities to express ourselves.  B Sooner or later computer users will use voice control on a regular" basis (some do now, but not many).  E What will you do with your case sensitive file names then? Indicating D which one of the conflicting case versions you actually want will be? a pain in the posterior regions. Likewise for the case specific / qualifiers on unix commands, "-R" vs. "-r" etc.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:39:54 +1200  From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> ' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers , Message-ID: <gKuR8.4$Sa.789@news.xtra.co.nz>  4 "Brass Christof" <welcome@spam.not> wrote in message" news:3D16585A.1DAF26AF@spam.not... > AG wrote:   C > > If you insist otherwise, we could go to a much more interesting  > > possibilities:L > > If capitalization is ok, why not font? And why not colour? And would youF > > demand that compilers accept hand-written script and recognize theE > > differences in hand-written identifier names? You know, there are G > > way more differences in a hand-written version than just capitals:)  > B > I don't think that this is a good idea/example as people are not8 > used to interprete font and colour in a semantical way  ; Well, yes they do. Why else would street lights be coloured  red/yellow/green? I And warning signs done in bright red? So, just an idea - let's use normal 	 lettering F for normal identifiers but define a language where exception names are
 identifiedH by the fact that they are in red. And the ones in green are constants ;)  	 > whereas < > rules exist that make uppercase and lowercase letters workA > together in a certain way. You are required to start a sentence B > with an uppercase letter if the first component of your sentence > is a word.  B True and I would freely admit it's a good style to do that but ...  < iF i TYpE it LiKe THAT, doES It ReaLLy CHaNgE wHAt iT MeANs?  C Of, course, this sort of thing is a nuisance and so on, but does it I change the meaning of the sentence? If not, why should it in programming?   8 > You are required to write most words in a heading with@ > the first character of each word in uppercase. None such rules > exist for font and colour.  K Sorry to disappoint you but they do exist (that may depend on your locality I though). Try telling  a fire-safety inspector that it's OK to have "exit"  signs F in a building done in light blue and written in a sort of 18th century script.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2002 20:29:36 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0206231929.642f46a@posting.google.com>  e bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<aesvar$1lfi$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>... . > In article <aesqmh011ju@enews3.newsguy.com>,1 >  "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:  > |>  K > |> In English, there are a lot of words which take on a different meaning P > |> depending on how they're used in a sentence.  For example, "She piloted herQ > |> craft through the water" .vs. "Their craft was making bread from wheat" .vs. . > |> "He could craft a sentence for any word." > |>  N > |> The first usage of "craft" refers to a ship or vessel (noun).  The secondP > |> refers to a skill or occupation (also noun).  The third implies a skill but > |> is used as a verb.  > |>  L > |> In either of the three examples, I could have written "crAft", "CRAFT",Q > |> "Craft", or any other mix of upper- and lower- case letters.  While it would ; > |> have looked out of place the meaning would not change.  > G > And it would have been wrong.  Unless all the English teachers in the 6 > world are just doing what they do to annoy students.    , SHE PILOTED HER CRAFT THROUGH THE WATER STOP  
 (Telegram!!!)   ( SHE PILOTED HER CRAFT THROUGH THE WATER.  
 (Lazy typer!)   E They both mean the same thing. If I repeated it in proper mixed case, @ it would mean the same thing, but only that one would pass on an
 Engilsh test.   
 KEEP RIGHT
 Keep Right
 keep right  D What's the difference between these three? If you saw any of them on) the road, they'd all mean the same thing.     M > |>                                                        Anyone looking at J > |> the mixed-case usage might think it was simply a typographical error. > H > So what?  If I see the sentence "He bought too cats at the pet store."J > I acan divine what it really means, but I wouldn't accept that if I were& > grading papers for an English class.    D We're not grading papers for an English test. We're using computers.    K > |> Brass, in the natural-language you refer to, what is the difference in L > |> pronunciation between "Kraft", and "kraft"?  If there is none, then howL > |> would the speaker express to any listener which form of the word he/she= > |> intended to use?  (Absent context-sensitivity, that is.)  > G > Of course in the spoken it is context-sensitivity.  Which is the same J > way I can tell the meaining in my sentence above. But in writting, usingG > wrong capitalization (in English as well as German and I am sure most G > other languages) is just as wrong as using the wrong word.  I am sure      Really?   C 1. I went too the market.  ! Wrong word, meaning can be determined. E 2. I went chair the market. ! Wrong word, but is much more confusing. # 3. I went to the market. ! Correct. E 4. I went To the market. ! Less confusing than 1. and 2. Ceartainly 2 E is much worse than 4!!! Therefore, the wrong word can be *much* worse = than the wrong case. Suppose you typed DELETE *.*; instead of D DIRECTORY *.*;!? That would be much worse than the wrong case. Wrong word is worse than wrong case.    I > that my German is still pretty poor compared to a native speaker.  They I > understand me and are polite enough not to laugh, but it doesn't change H > the fact that if I violate the grammar and conventions I am just plain > wrong.    B You'd be wrong for the purposes of formal writing. But we're using computers!!!    E > Trying to put this back on topic, nothing in Unix forces the use of E > mixed-case for things like filenames.  They can all be in one case. D > So, if it is un-natural and 99.9% of the world knows this then wny6 > don't users, particularly new users, stop doing it?? >  > bill    A I'd hate to have to worry about case in file names. I'm glad that > Windows, while allowing case in names, at least does not allowD multiple files with the same case-independent names (i.e., existenceF of web.pdf prevents creating a new file in the same directory with the@ same name but any other case for any of its letters, so WEB.PDF,F Web.Pdf, and any other variation of web.pdf is not allowed). (At least" in my test a minute ago on Win98.)  @ Re Natural language: What is it and what does it have to do withD computers? (Sorry, I must have missed the post that explained this.)   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman gfigroup com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:45:39 +1200  From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> ' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers 1 Message-ID: <qR8R8.279$Na1.75077@news.xtra.co.nz>   4 "Brass Christof" <welcome@spam.not> wrote in message" news:3D1409DB.EF4075AA@spam.not... > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > 0 > > In article <aeu8fe01m38@enews4.newsguy.com>,3 > >  "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> writes:   E > > And my mother named me William when I was born and if you want to E > > talk to me you have to use that name.  James won't work.  Neither 
 > > will Bob.   J Now, *that* would be one strange use of case-sensitivity. Anyone out thereI knows of a language (natural or otherwise) that could turn "William" into  "Bob"   using capitalization rules only?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2002 07:03:18 -0700! From: tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden) ' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers = Message-ID: <ef893e89.0206230603.26e80886@posting.google.com>   9 Since when is kraft a preposition, and in which language?   ` "Frank Sapienza" <sapienza@noesys.com> wrote in message news:<aesqmh011ju@enews3.newsguy.com>...6 > "Brass Christof" <welcome@spam.not> wrote in message$ > news:3D1194EF.1802F085@spam.not...8 > > IOW there is a difference between "Kraft" (noun) and > > "kraft" (preposition). > >  > G > Well, without knowing which natural-language you're referring to, and M > therefore with no basis to argue against your statement, I'll accept it and  > stand corrected. > J > However, are you sure you're not referring to context-sensitivity rather > than case-sensitivity? > H > In English, there are a lot of words which take on a different meaningM > depending on how they're used in a sentence.  For example, "She piloted her N > craft through the water" .vs. "Their craft was making bread from wheat" .vs.+ > "He could craft a sentence for any word."  > K > The first usage of "craft" refers to a ship or vessel (noun).  The second M > refers to a skill or occupation (also noun).  The third implies a skill but  > is used as a verb. > I > In either of the three examples, I could have written "crAft", "CRAFT", N > "Craft", or any other mix of upper- and lower- case letters.  While it wouldK > have looked out of place the meaning would not change.  Anyone looking at G > the mixed-case usage might think it was simply a typographical error.  > H > Brass, in the natural-language you refer to, what is the difference inI > pronunciation between "Kraft", and "kraft"?  If there is none, then how I > would the speaker express to any listener which form of the word he/she : > intended to use?  (Absent context-sensitivity, that is.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:52:18 +1200  From: "AG" <ang@xtra.co.nz> ' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers 1 Message-ID: <FwqR8.469$Na1.97923@news.xtra.co.nz>   4 "Brass Christof" <welcome@spam.not> wrote in message" news:3D158AF9.6CFB605A@spam.not... > AG wrote:  > > 9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message @ > > news:NimQ8.305879$%y.24906038@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > : > > > "Brass Christof" <welcome@spam.not> wrote in message( > > > news:3D1194EF.1802F085@spam.not... > > > 	 > > > ...  > > > ) > > > >While I agree that it is a pain to C > > > > access database records with mixed case I always thought it E > > > > should be the responsibility of the users to stick to certain  > > > > conventions. > > < > > Well, I keep hearing users saying <<...>> word when theyG > > find out that they have mistakenly named something SomeThingorOther D > > when what they actually meant was SomeThingOrOther. It should beL > > rather obvious those two are the same, right? Not so for Unix though ... > ; > I won't repeat my arguments in favour of case-sensitivity : > in certain circumstances. But I don't think your example9 > is a good reason against because typing errors can have : > much worse effects. If someone uses mixed-case naming in; > a case-sensitive environment attention has to be payed in ; > using mixed-case names. If someone isn't capable of doing 4 > it right sHe should refrain from using mixed-case.  : I beg your pardon? The whole point was that you can't. Not< in a case-sensitive environment. How would a poor user guess> that I've decided to call something "MySillYroutine" simply by< hiting shift key too early? And you can't refrain from using1 case-sensitivity on the systems it's enforced on.    > But it9 > is not a good decision to restrict the people that can.   E Well, no one's talking about restricting the mixed-case use (I hope). I However, compilers and other tools should be totally indifferent to that.   ? If you insist otherwise, we could go to a much more interesting  possibilities:H If capitalization is ok, why not font? And why not colour? And would youB demand that compilers accept hand-written script and recognize the differences J in hand-written identifier names? You know, there are way more differences. in a hand-written version than just capitals:)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:07:52 +0200 ' From: Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not> ' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers ( Message-ID: <3D1654C8.DB4D7197@spam.not>   Tom Linden wrote:   ; > Since when is kraft a preposition, and in which language?   ) Since when? I don't know. Does it matter?  In which language? German.   --  ? According to the Quality Assurance Institute C/C++/ObjC, PERL,  @ UNIX (incl. Linux) and Windows/XY are regarded as harmful. Java 0 is slow and the class library is badly designed.7 moc dot slupofni at ssarb - please reverse the sequence    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:10:12 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>$ Subject: Re: Could linux become VMS?4 Message-ID: <1020621200814.453B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  * On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Phillip Helbig wrote:    > > For example, up through the I > > 18th century, printed English capitalized all nouns, not just proper  I > > nouns as is the current convention, and different languages had/have   > > differing practices.   > I > Still true in German today, and true in Danish until a few decades ago.  > H > Although written languages originally mirrored spoken ones, with time I > qualities of the written language influenced the language as a whole.   C > For example, in German there are more examples of capitalisation  D > mattering ("der Gefangene floh" ("the prisoner escaped") vs. "der ; > gefangene Floh" ("the imprisoned flea")) than in English  3 > (polish/Polish---even the pronunciation changes).  > # > > Ancient western languages were  B > > written in all upper case with no spaces between words and no L > > punctuation.  This is the easiest possible way to write and the hardest  > > possible way to read.    > I > VERY ancient Greek was also written "as the ox ploughs", i.e. one line  1 > left-to-right, the next right-to-left etc.  :-)   7 I always wanted to use boustrophedonic in a post... ;-)    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:44:17 -0400 1 From: "Island (hpaq.net)" <dbturner@islandco.com> ) Subject: Re: DS20E Hardware Configuration / Message-ID: <uh7egm7m4l5nc6@news.supernews.com>   + If the DLT is not LVD then you won't see it    I assume it is though    My guess is termination    DT  . J.G. Peters <jpeters@sct.com> wrote in message news:pyMQ8.8$u36.113@client... > Greetings. > ; > We recently purchased a new DS20E (667 with 1 GB memory). 8 > The BA610 internal drive cage contains one 3R-A0585-AA? > 18GB 10k disk drive for the system disk. The disk is run by a 3 > 3X-DEPVZ-VA "combo card" adapter. We have a 4314T 8 > Storageworks tower containing twelve 3R-A0585-AA disks6 > that will be connected via a 3X-KZPCA-AA adapter. We; > have a new external 40/80 DLT tape drive (146197-B22), to 9 > be connected via another KZPCA adapter. We also secured > > two KZPBA-CA adapters to support four existing tape drives -8 > TLZ06 (4mm), two TSZ07s (reel) and TKZ9E (8mm). Here's@ > what we did when all the "stuff" arrived. We put the two KZPCAE > adapters into slots three and four, connected the 4313 to the firstf= > and the DLT to the second. The two KZPBA adapters went intoSG > slots five and six and are currently not connected to anything as the E > tape drives are still in use on the 2100. The DEPVZ is in slot two,oA > leaving only the "short card" (slot one) open. Fired up OpenVMS A > 7.3, which came "factory installed" with the necessary patches.t> > The system saw the Storageworks disks but not the DLT. TriedC > switching them. Same thing - saw the disks but not the DLT. TriednD > disconnecting the Storageworks but the DLT still isn't seen. Tried< > connecting the DLT to each of the KZPBAs and they're seen. >-@ > Questions: Do we have the adapters in the right slots for best1 > performance? Why doesn't the KZPCA see the DLT?  >s= > Insight/suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.u >  > Joe  >i >f   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2002 09:44:49 -06009 From: kaplow_r@eisner.encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)g+ Subject: Re: HP MPE to HP-UX customer plansu3 Message-ID: <oxE9aauzh7lr@eisner.encompasserve.org>w  p In article <cf15391e.0206131720.21173dd@posting.google.com>, keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) writes:w > Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> wrote in message news:<SS3O8.225404$Oa1.20956696@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>...c3 >> I was wandering what HP was going to do with MPEuD >> after getting VMS.  Now I wonder what HP is going to do with VMS. > G > It's a keeper.  VMS has more than 10 times the installed base of MPE,aD > and somewhere close to 40 times the annual revenue, so it would be6 > foolish for HP to call Dr. Kevorkian to "treat" VMS. > B > VMS will likely live long enough that we can discuss the port to. > another architecture in another 12-15 years.  
 or sooner :-)5  I         You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself alC         reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go aboutzI         repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in thea7         struggle for independence. -- Charles A. Beard    1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 05:34:30 -0700o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s Subject: INFO-VAX not workingr9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEMIFDAA.tom@kednos.com>t  > Haven't gotten any mail from this list since Friday.  The listE is up, at least it responds to requests.  Anybody know what is going?  Please copy me on response.  ---g& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2002 03:18 CDTr' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)p Subject: Re: java jni problemp- Message-ID: <22JUN200203181564@gerg.tamu.edu>d  ( sammy_thumbs@yahoo.com (Chuck) writes...D }I'm having intermittent problems with java using jni to call some cD }code.  The c code uses sys$enq() to acquire locks.  On occaision itF }fails to que the lock request.  I have other C programs that use thisG }same code and they very rarely show this error (once in 2 years) whileh? }this java/jni program seems to have problems on a daily basis.s } D }Has anyone bumped into any similar issues?  I'm wondering if it's a3 }problem with the shared image or a java/jvm issue.l }  }Some specs....n }os OpenVMS V7.3 }java version "1.3.0"n& }all c files compiled with /stand=vaxc }link command is o@ }$link/map/nodebug/notrace/share library_opt/opt, global_opt/optF }global_opt.opt file is created with scan_globals_for_option.com taken8 }from http://www5.compaq.com/java/faq/faq_ovms.html#4.1b } ' }Any info would be greatly appreciated.. }  }Chuck  8 Check both of the returned status codes for the enqueue.  C The most likely problem is that you have hit a quota limit, such as3 the process's enqueue limit.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 2002 03:00 CDTt' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n- Subject: Re: LLC for VMS Marketing Volunteerst- Message-ID: <22JUN200203004043@gerg.tamu.edu>t  ! G Everhart <ge@gce.com> writes... M }Such an LLC is cheap to set up here in Delaware, but mind there will need todN }be some statement of purpose to the effect that its intent is to advocate theP }use of VMS in truthful, professional, appropriate, decorous ways (as opposed toH }setting up a platform for starting flamewars or otherwise just angering	 }people).  } K }I could well imagine someone being worried about such a development unlessdK }they could see that the intent was just the kind of thing VMS afficionadosnJ }have done for decades (and in fact not to do all that much in a corporateI }sense at all, what with the expected assets of approximately $0.00 beinge }as they are). } L }Are there any lawyers that frequent the group that might give a word or two }of advice?A }  }Glenn Everhart   I Depending on the laws in the state where it is set up, an LLC can requiretK that more than one person own the company. (That is the case here in Texas,   or at least it was 6 years ago.)  	 --- Carl s   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2002 10:13:48 -0700# From: fs63@volcanomail.com (Tim C.) + Subject: Re: Need DECNet packet information = Message-ID: <399504c6.0206230913.54ac1bd7@posting.google.com>   D I ended up sucessfully getting the DECNet IV information from Jesper< Naur from this newsgroup.   Thanks to all who provided help.   Timn fs63@volcanomail.com   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 02 09:38:11 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)r Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing) Message-ID: <bna5ivtvV8Va@elias.decus.ch>n  c In article <9J9+NTT6TLcb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:e > In article <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C570@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>, "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes:K >> HP has scheduled a presentation tour for OpenVMS in the US.  The tour isvM >> titled "to re-boot or not to re-boot   with OpenVMS there is no question."u& >> You can get details on the tour at:/ >> <http://www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour> m > 	 > Hooray.a > H > I don't know what www.showexhibit.com is, and their home page does notG > work from Netscape on VMS, but the OpenVMSTour pages work fine, and a.H > wee bit if the information therein convinces me it is for real (not to > doubt Ed).  ; www.showexhibit.com redirects to www.dmpdirectmarketing.comh   Here's the "About Us" blurb:  G "Direct Marketing Partners (DMP), founded in 1991, is a privately-held,eE woman owned and operated corporation featuring a full range of direct? marketing services.o  H DMP is a leader in high-quality, fully integrated and customized direct I marketing solutions. We offer one-stop-shop advantages, using a managed  sI modular approach - truly leveraging existing organizational, partner and aH multi-vendor resources in this extremely cost sensitive marketplace.  WeI handle projects, both small and large, from lead-generation telemarketingoI campaigns to multi-city road show audience acquisition, as well as directt9 mail/e-mail programs, fulfillment and retention programs.a  H DMP combines superior project turnaround and results-oriented philosophyG with leading edge technology. These attributes are designed to increase I our clients' revenues and to optimize efficiency, with a minimum of time,dB stress and effort on their part. As a result of running successfulI programs, we've been able to maintain long-standing engagements with our fD clients. We draw from our extended corporate experiences to optimizeE results and ROI based upon ever-changing budgets, partners, channels,d= management, client contacts, technology and current marketingt philosophies."  3 Whatever, it does look like a serious organization.  __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 02 09:47:00 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)  Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing) Message-ID: <ncrWxn73iM3f@elias.decus.ch>u  o In article <5mOQ8.429770$t8_.98553@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:2D > Hey Ed - just a question - How did you find out about this 'tour'? > M > How much 'public' notice is there being given to this tour? ie. trade rags, ( > newspapers, targeted mailings, etc.... > L > How many HP sales and marketing reps are going in to see *new* or existingG > customers to say "You know that lousy Dell or IBM 'industry standard'uG > hardware or Sun junk you're running, or that Proliant or Netserver oroK > PA-Risc box we sold you last week...well it's all a bunch of cr*p runningwK > Windoze/Linux/unix. Come to this presentation and we'll show you the REAL 	 > stuff!"i > L > Without all of this, attendance will be lousy and then HP can point to theJ > results of the tour and say "See, I told you so...why should we have VMS# > presentations when nobody comes."2 >3E Well, this company does baost of having "audience aquisition" skills:,- http://www.dmpdirectmarketing.com/servidx.htma  n <snip> __
 Paul Sture Switzerland<   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Jun 02 15:49:18 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)2 Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing) Message-ID: <wLeTnEgAlbHK@elias.decus.ch>   o In article <5mOQ8.429770$t8_.98553@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:hD > Hey Ed - just a question - How did you find out about this 'tour'? > M > How much 'public' notice is there being given to this tour? ie. trade rags,x   <snip> > N > Now HP may turn around internally and say "What the hell do all these peopleJ > in c.o.v.  want? (not that HP is doing this for our exclusive benefit or > anything)l > K > What HP should be doing (IMHO) is starting to do the creative advertisingaN > work for VMS today, get all the collateral ready and start their advertisingL > with the trade and key general circulation papers next week, have a coupleL > TV spots ready for the baseball All-Star game, the US F1 race, and severalK > golf tournaments, CNBC's Kudlow &Cramer, etc..... Do some sales calls andAE > present marketing material and prime the pump for a Sept-Oct. tour.e >   O Just an idea here.  Let us approach http://www.dmpdirectmarketing.com/main.htmle: and offer our support in their up and coming VMS campaign.  M It needs to be done professionally, ofcourse, but I would suggest that we cana% collectively contribute an awful lot.   L Rather better I think at this moment in time than pledging X dollars to some uncertain cause (BTDT BTW) __
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:21:37 -0700-, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing4 Message-ID: <af5aki$bm9l0$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>  J Where's my town?  HP afraid of Silicon Valley, or are we supposed to be so closet! to HQ that we are covered?   Hmm.C   Jims  : "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageL news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C570@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us. ..J > HP has scheduled a presentation tour for OpenVMS in the US.  The tour isL > titled "to re-boot or not to re-boot   with OpenVMS there is no question."% > You can get details on the tour at: - > <http://www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour>s >  > EdG > **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**t >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:47:05 GMT . From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@adelphia.net># Subject: Recent version of GNU GCC?i+ Message-ID: <3D1618C5.3090003@adelphia.net>   B I have been trying to find a relatively recent version of GCC (>= C 2.95.3) for Alpha/VMS 7.2.  I have found references to 2.7 and 2.8 r versions, but nothing newer.  D Apparently ACT has contributed Ada to the current GCC.  It would be H great to get the full GCC set (C, C++, Fortran, Ada, Java, etc.) on VMS.  A Anyone know if newer versions of the GNU compilers are available?n   Thanks.i Michael    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:03:40 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>i Subject: Search engineso9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEMDFDAA.tom@kednos.com>s  8 FYI, an alternative and perhaps somwhat better to google8 is alltheweb, which I just read about in the paper.  But* it is difficult to use the name as a verb.  7 Basically just testing the list, not gettiong any mail r from it. ---u& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2002 21:34:01 -0700 From: wingwong@witty.com (wing)  Subject: size of exe= Message-ID: <873e96d6.0206232034.4535f2a1@posting.google.com>u   Hi,w  > I have use the same set of sources to compile binaries but the, binaries compiled are having different size.  E Is it possible for the same compiler in a machine to compile binaries  with different size?   The binary that I am using are -* Compaq C++ V6.3-020 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3   Wing   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:34:35 GMTi. From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@adelphia.net>4 Subject: Re: TCPIP (and other) PAKa for Hobbyist kit+ Message-ID: <3D1615D7.3070606@adelphia.net>    Alder wrote:: > Please forgive what will certainly be a stupid question. > H > I installed the Hobbyist kit (Alpha) yesterday and ran into a request I > for the TCPIP PAK when I tried enabling some clients and servers.  The  I > only PAK I received from Montagar was the one at the end of the e-mail  F > it sends confirming the new Hobbyist license.  Their web site has a H > table of PAK names, but the other parameters for the LICENSE REGISTER ! > command don't seem to be there.- > K > Where should I be looking for the PAK info for the layered products that m > are included with the kit? >  > Thanks for your indulgence,e >  > Aldern >   H You need to go back to the Montagar site and use the "License Register" F option a second time.  On the "Hobbyist License Registration" screen, 6 select "Layered Products" in the "License Type" field.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 22:55:41 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")D Subject: Re: The VMS customer minute of the day: Paper Manufacturing8 Message-ID: <00A0FCC4.8F2E8F50@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  A In article <YjNQ8.104802$nZ3.43958@rwcrnsc53>, "Terry C. Shannon"   <terryshannon@attbi.com> writes:  H >Umm, it wasn't California that made all the money in the electric powerJ >market. It was Enron, et al. Of course, once and no-doubt future GovernorB >Gray "Blackout" Davis had more than a little to do with the powerL >shenanigans. Sure am glad I don't live in CA and have to pay for governmentL >ineptitude. (I can pay for ineptitude where I currently live instead ;-}. )  K Actually, it appears that it was the California state legislature under thenB previous (other-party) governor that passed the totally-screwed-upK "deregulation" legislation that made electricity rates vulnerable to marketeH manipulation and forbade the large utilities to buy futures contracts to) guarantee supplies at predicatable rates.c  K The market manipulation conducted by Enron (and others) occurred on Davis's 5 watch, but was earlier chickens coming home to roost.s  K (Given that FERC declined to intervene in the matter, I thought Davis acted K properly in negotiating futures contracts, but when the market manipulationnF stopped, the contracts he had in place were at higher rates than thoseK prevailing, although much lower than those at the time he negotiated them.   Oops.)  O The California "deregulation" legislation was a bad idea badly implemented, butdO the ensuing debacle wasn't entirely a self-inflicted wound.  (If you leave your7M car unlocked and the keys in, it's partially your fault if someone steals it,ZL but you can't say that the person who actually stole it bears no part of theJ blame.  Same deal here; our stupid legislature left the door unlocked, but? Enron (among others) chose to come in and rob our piggy banks.)o   -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056sM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210MO ===============================================================================t   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Jun 2002 00:15:18 -0700# From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley)t8 Subject: Re: Using old Bookreader files with Windows BNU= Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0206212315.62d603d5@posting.google.com>   ` "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message news:<3D12F202.12710.D3B6E23@localhost>...H > Sad to say, but I still my VAX C manuals, and have all the associated  > Bookreader files for same. > F > Now that I have the latest docset installed on my Win PC, how can I 5 > add the Bookreader files so that I can access them?s >  >  > --Stan Quaylew# > President, Quayle Consulting Inc.o >  > ----------I > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-167113 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147@? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comoA If I "double-click" on .bkb files then it launches the bookreaderu4 that is in ODL, and I can read individual documents.C I havn't worked out how to incorporate them into the odl structure.g8 When I try to open bookshelf files (.bks) I get an error Phil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.344 ************************