1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 347       Contents:4 Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ????4 Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? Re: ALL-IN-1 anniversary Re: Alphaserver 300 problem 4 Amdrew wants numbers, here they are!  Blow out baby!8 Re: Amdrew wants numbers, here they are!  Blow out baby!I BEA Systems and HP Team to deliver Integrated Solutions to the Enterprise  Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: Case sensitive identifiers Re: COE, ODS-5 and Spiralog., Re: Euro symbol, DECterm, Hummingbird Exceed, Re: Euro symbol, DECterm, Hummingbird Exceed, Re: Euro symbol, DECterm, Hummingbird Exceed% Happy Anniversary!	:-) (was: Re: wow) % Help, No demangler database was found ) Re: Help, No demangler database was found ) Re: Help, No demangler database was found  how to find out P2 space usage" Re: Intel booting contest - Update" Re: Intel booting contest - Update" Re: Intel booting contest - Update" Re: Intel booting contest - Update" Re: Intel booting contest - Update7 Microsoft Narrator (was:Re: Case sensitive identifiers)  More good news2 Moving OT : Kraft (Re: Case sensitive identifiers) Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing  OpenVMS on CNBC  OpenVMS on Yahoo Re: OpenVMS on Yahoo OpenVMS V7.3-1 Announcement  Re: Recent version of GNU GCC?3 Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III 3 Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III 3 Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III 3 Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III 3 Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III 	 TCO study 
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 RE: TCO study  VAX 4000-200 Re: VMS port delayed!  Re: VMS port delayed!  Re: VMS port delayed!  Re: VMS port delayed!  Re: WASD startup problems  Re: WASD startup problems  Re: WASD startup problems , Re: What kind of morons work at the FDA now?, Re: Why does SMTP RBL filter appear to fail? wow  Re: wow  Re: wow  Re: wow ' Re: Yet another PL/I <-> C question :-)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:08:28 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> = Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? 1 Message-ID: <afa14c$ntt$1@fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   H Just this week I learned.....  there is a VMS (only) tour in the US comeJ July and August.  Today I heard the news of VMS v7.3-1 on MSNBC and Yahoo.F I don't ever remember VMS getting this kind of attention.  Something'sG happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.  <--- I just remembered  words from a song of the 60s.    -- Dave...   3 More than one cigar at a time is excessive smoking.  -----Mark Twain   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D17CA36.49A5C3DE@videotron.ca... > David Froble wrote: L > > The HP Enterprise Technical Symposium 2002 (previously known as CETS) is HP's > H > > In the above paragraph VMS is mentioned before all but storageworks. > A > Coinsider that VMS is the only semi-viable product left for the I > group-formerly-known-as-DECUS to handle, since the rest will be done by  HP'sL > Interex user group. Note that what used to be DECUS could also play a hugeK > role in getting Tru64 customers to express their needs and comments about  HP'sG > conversion plans (from a technical perspective, what utilities/system  services: > need be ported to ease customer's own porting problems).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:07:17 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> = Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ? Message-ID: <9r1S8.175419$6m5.147689@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>   < "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message+ news:afa14c$ntt$1@fizban.pprd.abbott.com... J > Just this week I learned.....  there is a VMS (only) tour in the US comeL > July and August.  Today I heard the news of VMS v7.3-1 on MSNBC and Yahoo.H > I don't ever remember VMS getting this kind of attention.  Something'sI > happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.  <--- I just remembered  > words from a song of the 60s.   L I remember that song, too. Perhaps because I lived in Syracuse, about midway  between Buffalo and Springfield.  7 For What It's Worth, it's nice to see the VMS coverage!    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:21:03 GMT , From: "Bob Knowles" <bob.knowles@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: ALL-IN-1 anniversary 0 Message-ID: <zRUR8.2$uA5.42026@news.cpqcorp.net>  J http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/a1_anniversary.html is fixed. YouG can now submit the form specifying any date when ALL-IN-1 used the name  'ALL-IN-1'.    b    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:43:28 GMT 0 From: William Barnett-Lewis <wlewis@mailbag.com>$ Subject: Re: Alphaserver 300 problem+ Message-ID: <3D15C22E.558E0E66@mailbag.com>    William Barnett-Lewis wrote: > H > Last week I picked up an Alphaserver 300. 192mb/2x1gb/cd/mach64 video. (snip)  F As a way of getting this into google for the next person, in this caseF the fault turned out to be mismatched SIMMs in the 128 mb kit that wasF installed in Bank 0. 2 8mbx36 SIMMs and 2 8x33mb SIMMS were installed.H This prevented the post from completing while also preventing any memoryH error messages from being given. Once the 64mb kit was swapped from Bank$ 1 to Bank 0, everything worked fine.7                                                         D So does anyone have 2 8mbx36 72 pin 70 ns SIMMs they'd care to sell?     William  --  ) You better watch out   What you wish for; * It better be worth it  So much to die for. 		       Courtney Love   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 06:03:41 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Amdrew wants numbers, here they are!  Blow out baby! < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206250503.4ce3359@posting.google.com>  - Ok Andrew, you wanted numbers, here they are!     ' http://www.theinquirer.net/25060207.htm     % HPQ's ES45 1.26GHz Alpha benchmarked     Phew what a scorcha!  ( By the INQUIRER, 25/06/2002 09:47:25 BST    " A PICTURE SPEAKS A THOUSAND words.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:29:17 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> A Subject: Re: Amdrew wants numbers, here they are!  Blow out baby! 0 Message-ID: <afa26h$i62$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:   / > Ok Andrew, you wanted numbers, here they are!  >  > ) > http://www.theinquirer.net/25060207.htm  >  > ' > HPQ's ES45 1.26GHz Alpha benchmarked   >  > Phew what a scorcha!  * > By the INQUIRER, 25/06/2002 09:47:25 BST >  > $ > A PICTURE SPEAKS A THOUSAND words. >      Really, Bob get a clue.    1.  - The benchmark results did not for some reason ! include the 1050 Mhz SPARC CPU's.    2.  + The benchmarks are single CPU numbers don't 1 unsing SPECint and SPECfp, large customers do not 6 buy commercial servers on the basis of either of these2 benchmarks because they do not model the apps that these customers run.  8 Sorry you were not even close, all you have demonstrated6 is that sometimes its better not to post. The trick is7 to ensure that this only happens to you in a very small 7 minority of cases rather than the majority. I leave you : to work out which category the vast majority of your posts falls into. :):):)   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:39:06 GMT 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>R Subject: BEA Systems and HP Team to deliver Integrated Solutions to the Enterprise2 Message-ID: <_n_R8.13$9L5.366715@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 http://www.bea.com/press/releases/2002/0625_hp.shtml  I BEA Systems and HP Team to Deliver Integrated Solutions to the Enterprise   L Companies To Jointly Market BEA's Application Infrastructure Software Across All HP Hardware Platforms   E PARIS, BEA eWorld Europe 2002 and PALO ALTO, Calif. - June 24, 2002 - J Building on the strength of their existing relationship, BEA Systems, Inc.E (Nasdaq: BEAS), the world's leading global application infrastructure L software company, and HP (NYSE: HPQ), a leading global provider of products,G technologies, solutions and services to consumers and businesses, today G announced that the two companies are expanding their efforts to jointly K market, sell and deliver integrated solutions, including hardware, software I and services, across all HP operating systems. The systems include HP-UX, J OpenVMS, NonStop Kernel (NSK) and Tru64 Unix on current standard platformsL and future Itanium platforms, as well as Windows 2000, Windows NT and Linux.  H Under the terms of the agreement, the companies have named each other asJ preferred strategic partners. BEA and HP will jointly identify and deliverJ J2EE e-business solutions using BEA's application infrastructure solutionsL for joint enterprise customers. HP will become a preferred strategic systemsA integration partner of BEA with a dedicated team of BEA-certified C consultants and HP-UX will become BEA's first enterprise-class UNIX D operating environment supported on the Itanium processor family. TheI expanded relationship will further HP's enterprise integration offerings, L helping enable customers to deploy seamless business process applications toH maximize existing infrastructures and create high returns on investment.8 Additionally, HP is evaluating the BEA WebLogic JRockitTI </products/weblogic/jrockit/index.shtml> Java Virtual Machine (JVM), with J the potential to standardize on JRockit across HP's enterprise servers forB all operating systems and server lines for the Intel architecture.  I "BEA is excited to be working with HP to provide our joint customers with A one of the most powerful, integrated and cost effective multi-OS, H multi-platform enterprise solutions available on the market today," saidL Scott Dietzen, chief technology officer, BEA Systems. "All of this, combinedK with HP services focused on BEA products, will allow our joint customers to G immediately take full advantage of the power that our solutions offer."   F "BEA Systems' leadership in the application server market makes them aJ natural choice for our enterprise customers since they are able to deliverH highly scalable, industry-leading e-business solutions that support HP'sF multi-OS strategy," said Peter Blackmore, executive vice-president, HPE enterprise systems group. "We are delighted to be working together to J accelerate the adoption of the Itanium processor family in the market, andF as JRockit, BEA's Java Virtual Machine, is well-suited to drive marketG momentum in the IA-32 and Itanium space HP is looking forward to taking  advantage of this technology."  K In addition, as part of the agreement, HP will be a BEA preferred strategic B partner for services management via HP OpenView. HP OpenView is anH industry-leading software portfolio for managing and optimizing services( over IT, voice and data infrastructures.   About HP  H HP is a leading global provider of products, technologies, solutions andE services to consumers and businesses. The company's offerings span IT J infrastructure, personal computing and access devices, global services andJ imaging and printing. HP completed its merger transaction involving CompaqJ Computer Corp. on May 3, 2002. The company would have had combined revenueG on a pro forma basis with the Compaq transaction of approximately $81.1 J billion in fiscal 2001 and has operations in more than 160 countries. More9 information about HP is available at <http://www.hp.com>.   	 About BEA   C BEA Systems, Inc. (Nasdaq: BEAS) is the world's leading application B infrastructure software company, providing the enterprise softwareK foundation for 13,000 customers around the world, including the majority of F the Fortune Global 500. BEA and its WebLogic brand are among the most trusted names in business.  L Headquartered in San Jose, Calif., BEA has 91 offices in 33 countries and is, on the Web www.bea.com <http://www.bea.com>.   Public Relations Contacts:   Heather Dickinson  BEA SYSTEMS, INC. 
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 +408-447-1695 6 Virginia_dimpfl@hp.com <mailto:Virginia_dimpfl@hp.com>       Michael Guerette   Mission Critical Solutions   Hewlett-Packard   ( 110 Spit Brook Road Office: 603-884-6039  # M/S ZKO3-2/V19 Mobile: 603-315-4935   ( Nashua, N.H. USA 03062 FAX: 603-884-0022   email: Michael.Guerette@hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:20:28 -0400 2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers . Message-ID: <3D18600C.9E4902AF@mindspring.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  C >    I do wish I could setup the voice output under OS X like I did E >    for error boxes under OS 9.  Bugged the heck out of a PC support ? >    hack one day while she was trying to alter my Windoze box.    Are you sure you *CAN'T*?   $                               Atlant  0 (Who can't remember which Mac last spoke to him)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:41:37 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers 8 Message-ID: <bjsghuo5p0mht8dlpm6vidvf6r7l1pf7li@4ax.com>  2 On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:20:28 -0400, Atlant Schmidt$ <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote:   >Bob Koehler wrote:  > D >>    I do wish I could setup the voice output under OS X like I didF >>    for error boxes under OS 9.  Bugged the heck out of a PC support@ >>    hack one day while she was trying to alter my Windoze box. >  >Are you sure you *CAN'T*?  C Some random key presses turned dialog box speech on in Windows 2000 F for me one day.  Never been able to find it again - but then I haven't really looked.  % >                              Atlant  > 1 >(Who can't remember which Mac last spoke to him)  >    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:20:41 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)' Subject: Re: Case sensitive identifiers ; Message-ID: <3d189859.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   2 Bill Gunshannon (bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu) wrote:5 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: I > |> Just to complicate matters, "Kraft" is a proper name - a family that H > |> started a food manufacturing business. "Craft" can be either a noun> > |> or a verb, but I've never heard it used as a preposition. > I > "Craft" is also a proper name.  And the "kraft" (not "craft") mentioned H > previously wasn't in english, but then, I don't know the prepositional > use of that work either.  @ In german, "kraft" as a preposition translates to "by virtue of"1 (according to my small Langenscheidt dictionary).    cu,    Martin --  G  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer 4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:43:19 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: COE, ODS-5 and Spiralog. A Message-ID: <bFoR8.99289$_j6.5001871@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>   9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message * news:87k7opj4kd.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > ? > > In article <3D14A16A.AE0F02E6@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > E > > > There's a lot of VMS related stuff that is more a question what H > > > people will do versus what they are capable of doing. I personally: > > > never saw the value of spiralog, but that's just me. > B > > No, it is not just you.  It turns out there were _lots_ of VMSH > > customers who did not have Write-Mostly applications (where Spiralog% > > theory would put it in the lead).  > < > I could not see the point of Spiralog, but for a differentH > reason. There where the customers who cared about performance, and whoA > had tweeked thier IO, so SL had about no benefit, and those who  > didn't, and didn't care.  L Log-structured storage really does have a point:  when random-smallish-WriteL performance is important, nothing else does it nearly as well (though if theL Writes are decidedly non-random or disk activity is sufficiently bursty thatJ they're frequently, though briefly, idle, then stable write-back cache can compete pretty well).n  B However, the usual downfall of log-structured approaches is in theK requirement for 'cleaning' - garbage-collecting unused sequentially-writteneL space to make room for future large sequential log writes, while at the sameG time performing background defragmentation of data so that future largeCH sequential reads will execute efficiently.  An efficient cleaner must beF able to identify the data in each log 'segment' without performing anyL random accesses (save to read in the segment itself), which both complicatesL the original Writes (since the segment must include its own self-identifyingL metadata) and imposes additional loads on memory (since the only way to knowL when data in a segment has been superseded later without rummaging around inG the on-disk file maps is to retain that information in memory until the  segment is cleaned).  J Superimpose the requirement that the 'log' must effectively use underlyingF RAID storage (i.e., span disks) that may be concurrently shared acrossK multiple hosts (in the VMS shared-device paradigm) and the problems are not D trivial to solve (e.g., even if the information required for segmentE cleaning is in memory, that memory may be distributed across multiplewK hosts).  That Spiralog worked as well as it did was impressive:  had it notdK been required to work in a concurrent-shared-storage environment, I suspecttK it might have been a clear winner, but given that requirement (and the factyK that ODS-2 had been being tuned for that environment for over a decade, andpJ the availability of controller-level stable, mirrored write-back cache forK performance-critical installations) its inability to score a sufficient wine! to survive is not too surprising.-   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:04:51 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>5 Subject: Re: Euro symbol, DECterm, Hummingbird Exceedh+ Message-ID: <af9bmu$oc2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>-  L "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3D1786E6.6090005@home.nl...E > I'm using a VMS Workstation, and I can use (and see) the Euro sign. Q > Most likely this is a problem of Hummingbird. AFAIK every X-Window software haskR > its own sets of fonts, and it seems your Hummingbird software doesn't have fonts > that can show the Euro Sign.  U Looking at the release notes for the Euro patch it seems that the patch just installsgN some fonts that have the generic currency sign hacked out and the Euro dropped< in its place (as opposed to the standard ISO8859-15 kludge).  J This means you'll need similarly hacked fonts at the eXceed end. You couldB just use those from the Alpha (once you've consulted your lawyer).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:27:25 GMTo3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam>o5 Subject: Re: Euro symbol, DECterm, Hummingbird Exceede. Message-ID: <xZ%R8.10090$04.32518@news.iol.ie>  L "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3D1786E6.6090005@home.nl...E > I'm using a VMS Workstation, and I can use (and see) the Euro sign.iD > Most likely this is a problem of Hummingbird. AFAIK every X-Window software hasL > its own sets of fonts, and it seems your Hummingbird software doesn't have fonts  > that can show the Euro Sign.  J It does have euro fonts (at least I see fonts that have the name "euro" inK them, and the Hummingbird release notes says it has euro support.  The mostDI likely thing is that DECterm is specifying a particular font that doesn't$D have euro support.  Anyone know what font DECterm is referring to by "normal" and "condensed" ?   Regardsu   Tom Wade   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 10:49:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i5 Subject: Re: Euro symbol, DECterm, Hummingbird Exceeda3 Message-ID: <jg0AX+b$72AF@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  d In article <xZ%R8.10090$04.32518@news.iol.ie>, "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam> writes: > N > "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:3D1786E6.6090005@home.nl...F >> I'm using a VMS Workstation, and I can use (and see) the Euro sign.E >> Most likely this is a problem of Hummingbird. AFAIK every X-Window- > software hasM >> its own sets of fonts, and it seems your Hummingbird software doesn't haveo > fontsi >> that can show the Euro Sign.Y > L > It does have euro fonts (at least I see fonts that have the name "euro" inM > them, and the Hummingbird release notes says it has euro support.  The most3K > likely thing is that DECterm is specifying a particular font that doesn'taF > have euro support.  Anyone know what font DECterm is referring to by > "normal" and "condensed" ?  E On the Window options for my VMS DECterm, it is whatever fonts I have  selected there.y   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2002 09:33:21 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) . Subject: Happy Anniversary!	:-) (was: Re: wow)! Message-ID: <CvrZsPerHBcs@rabbit>h  L Please notice also the date of the announcement - has it really been a whole; year since the incident which some refer to as "Alphacide"?a  a In article <27_R8.51756$db.877815@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:oJ > I am going to go have another cup of coffee, and come back and read thisJ > whole article.  I am not sure I read it right and I don't want to get my > hopes up:  >  > From yahoo news: > E > HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that Is e-Business and7 > Internet-Ready. > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html >  >  >  -- h Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"n "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 02:29:36 -0700 From: wingwong@witty.com (wing):. Subject: Help, No demangler database was found= Message-ID: <873e96d6.0206250129.5411a43d@posting.google.com>9   Hi,0  C I have encountered the following error when link Compaq C++ CXXLINKo V6.3-020 in openvms 7.3cB %CXXLNK-I-NODEMANGLER, No demangler database was found; unresolved symbols will not be demangledu  0 Some of the linked objects are template classes.  - It is repeatable with the following sequence.p - compile the objects29 - insert the objects in a lib with the lib/create commandd - zip the objects and *.olb!E - zip the objects template objects in the repository directory, says,A# CXXL$XSPTNQ13STD65BSCSTR3BSURUR.OBJ - - unzip the objects, olb and template objects 	 - cxxlink   = It will not have such error if no zip/unzip action performed.c  F The zip/unzip action is for getting the object out of the openvms (forE burn in CD for delivery).  And I find that if ftp the object directly ' from openvms will corrupt the obj file.a   Thanks in advance,   Wing   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2002 10:35:35 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)e2 Subject: Re: Help, No demangler database was found0 Message-ID: <af9h1n$284$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  _ In article <873e96d6.0206250129.5411a43d@posting.google.com>, wingwong@witty.com (wing) writes:  >Hi, >HD >I have encountered the following error when link Compaq C++ CXXLINK >V6.3-020 in openvms 7.3C >%CXXLNK-I-NODEMANGLER, No demangler database was found; unresolvede >symbols will not be demangled >t1 >Some of the linked objects are template classes.n >.. >It is repeatable with the following sequence. >- compile the objects: >- insert the objects in a lib with the lib/create command >- zip the objects and *.olbF >- zip the objects template objects in the repository directory, says,$ >CXXL$XSPTNQ13STD65BSCSTR3BSURUR.OBJ. >- unzip the objects, olb and template objects
 >- cxxlink >i> >It will not have such error if no zip/unzip action performed. >.G >The zip/unzip action is for getting the object out of the openvms (for F >burn in CD for delivery).  And I find that if ftp the object directly( >from openvms will corrupt the obj file.  M How do you zip the file? You should use the "-V" switch to preserver VMS filei attributes.r   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannl  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, Germany                                           |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:38:55 GMT 3 From: "Duane Smith" <Duane.Smith@nospam.compaq.com>d2 Subject: Re: Help, No demangler database was found1 Message-ID: <jDYR8.10$wB5.99426@news.cpqcorp.net>   C The demangler database is in the repository directory with the namemL CXX$DEMANGLER_DB. (no extension).  Does your zip operation include this file along with the object files?   Duane Smiths    , "wing" <wingwong@witty.com> wrote in message7 news:873e96d6.0206250129.5411a43d@posting.google.com...r > Hi,  > E > I have encountered the following error when link Compaq C++ CXXLINKB > V6.3-020 in openvms 7.3dD > %CXXLNK-I-NODEMANGLER, No demangler database was found; unresolved > symbols will not be demangledR >i2 > Some of the linked objects are template classes. >t/ > It is repeatable with the following sequence.  > - compile the objectso; > - insert the objects in a lib with the lib/create commande > - zip the objects and *.olbcG > - zip the objects template objects in the repository directory, says,n% > CXXL$XSPTNQ13STD65BSCSTR3BSURUR.OBJ,/ > - unzip the objects, olb and template objectsh > - cxxlink  >h? > It will not have such error if no zip/unzip action performed.e >tH > The zip/unzip action is for getting the object out of the openvms (forG > burn in CD for delivery).  And I find that if ftp the object directlym) > from openvms will corrupt the obj file.m >  > Thanks in advance, >l > Wing   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 10:50:51 -0700  From: andylo@kc.rr.com (Andy Lo)' Subject: how to find out P2 space usagen= Message-ID: <5a87da2e.0206250950.7f16496f@posting.google.com>r  E I'm looking for a routine/system call to find out the P2 space(64-biteA region) usage/available.  A routine/system call that I can use inrE C/C++ will be great.  If not, anyway to find it out will be good too.r   thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:25:29 GMTn. From: ">>> ^P" <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se>+ Subject: Re: Intel booting contest - Update 9 Message-ID: <3D181AEB.4738871D@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se>a  8 One has to add State even outside the states or Canada ?  	 >>> ^P.Lj      Sue Skonetski skrev:  A > Just letting you know that we have received 727 guesses so far.t >o? > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.htmlr >u > sues   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 08:15:16 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>o+ Subject: Re: Intel booting contest - Updated6 Message-ID: <20020625081516.10988.qmail@nym.alias.net>  D On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, ">>> ^P" <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se> wrote: >Sue Skonetski skrev:  >nB >> Just letting you know that we have received 727 guesses so far. >>@ >> http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.html  9 >One has to add State even outside the states or Canada ?,   Check the rules...  K "To be eligible to participate in the contest ("Contest"), you must:  . . .a;  (ii) be a legal resident of the United States of America;"n  & Why does it even have a country field?     Doc. -- u6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.neto   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 06:04:59 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)+ Subject: Re: Intel booting contest - Updatel< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206250504.f6fb371@posting.google.com>  l "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message news:<o%KR8.30$Zm5.879663@news.cpqcorp.net>...A > Just letting you know that we have received 727 guesses so far.3 > ? > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.htmll >  > suep  < Since the HAL code problem has delayed it, does that mean we can reguess?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:10:30 +0000e  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com+ Subject: Re: Intel booting contest - Updateh: Message-ID: <OF2B65689D.AF3668A3-ON00256BE3.0053496B@btyp>  I Does a 'legal resident' have to have a US address? What if he's an ex-pat 
 somewhere?   Steve Sh        G "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> on 06/25/2002A 08:15:16 AM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* cc:        mail2news@freedom.gmsociety.orgH From:      "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>, 25            June 2002, 8:15 a.m.@  " Re: Intel booting contest - Update    D On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, ">>> ^P" <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se> wrote: >Sue Skonetski skrev:  >2B >> Just letting you know that we have received 727 guesses so far. >>@ >> http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.html  9 >One has to add State even outside the states or Canada ?B   Check the rules...  K "To be eligible to participate in the contest ("Contest"), you must:  . . . ;  (ii) be a legal resident of the United States of America;"n  & Why does it even have a country field?     Doc. --6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.nete            F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has7G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,t$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.s  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.p  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,oD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:56:26 -0400o- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>s+ Subject: Re: Intel booting contest - Updater5 Message-ID: <afa3rb$ckpm3$1@ID-141708.news.dfncis.de>s  J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0 news:20020625081516.10988.qmail@nym.alias.net...F > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, ">>> ^P" <plj@NOSPAM.byron.ext.telia.se> wrote: > >Sue Skonetski skrev:r > > D > >> Just letting you know that we have received 727 guesses so far. > >>B > >> http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/openvms_contest.html >.; > >One has to add State even outside the states or Canada ?l >l > Check the rules... >aK > "To be eligible to participate in the contest ("Contest"), you must:  . .n . = >  (ii) be a legal resident of the United States of America;"m > ...u    A Didn't notice that before, I usually look at contest rules beforeg7 submitting. Better drop the number back down to 726. :(t   -- Peter WeaverL Opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my employer, nor theK company that it sub-contracts to, nor the company that it sub-contracts to.w   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2002 10:19:57 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton)m@ Subject: Microsoft Narrator (was:Re: Case sensitive identifiers)! Message-ID: <1iZ+ee8nQwSV@rabbit>s  " (Apologies if this posts twice...)  F My W2K laptop has a feature called "Narrator", which is reached by the following sequence:p  5 Start->Programs->Accessories->Accessibility->Narratore  E The voice is a little hard to understand, and sounds like the default L DECTalk(?) voice on steroids.  I think it would be useful if I were visually2 imparied - I'm going to play around with it a bit.  ` In article <bjsghuo5p0mht8dlpm6vidvf6r7l1pf7li@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:4 > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:20:28 -0400, Atlant Schmidt& > <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote: >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>E >>>    I do wish I could setup the voice output under OS X like I didlG >>>    for error boxes under OS 9.  Bugged the heck out of a PC supporteA >>>    hack one day while she was trying to alter my Windoze box.  >> >>Are you sure you *CAN'T*?l > E > Some random key presses turned dialog box speech on in Windows 2000lH > for me one day.  Never been able to find it again - but then I haven't > really looked. > & >>                              Atlant >>2 >>(Who can't remember which Mac last spoke to him) >> >  > -- > Alan -- n Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"d "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:40:46 GMTd2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: More good newso2 Message-ID: <2a0S8.21$6P5.549981@news.cpqcorp.net>  @ Hard to apologize for sending so much good news about VMS today.   sues* __________________________________________I Positive news about the continued successful growth of Deutsche Brse andc EUREX,  C <http://www.bobsguide.com/cgi-bin/guide/newsitem.pl?ID=bg&seq=1427>y  K Eurex has for the first time become the world's leading exchange for equity H options," stated Rudolf Ferscha at the International Derivatives Week inJ London. The Eurex CEO also announced the launch of 14 new options on Dutch shares.r  L Measured by the underlying value of traded contracts, Eurex has by far takenI over the leading position from the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE).uJ According to Ferscha, for equity-based products, it is not only the numberL of traded contracts, but also the usefulness for market participants that isH measured by the underlying value. Eurex traded 64 million contracts withE an underlying value of 366 billion Euros (US$ 351.36 billion) betweeng January and April 2002.w  L To further enhance it's position as the leading provider of option contractsJ on international,liquid stocks, Eurex will introduce options on 14 leadingH Dutch equity options contracts as of July 1st. Once the new options haveG been introduced, a total of 23 Dutch options will be tradable on Eurex,nH making it the only international derivatives market to include all DutchI blue chips in its electronic listings. The basis trades for the new DutchoK options will be included in the Xetra European Stars segment soon. Deutsche-F Brse has been offering participants liquid trading in the seven Dutch Euro-STOXX since November 2001.   F In line with the increasing demand among participants for options withK longer terms, the maximum terms for both existing options and the new DutcheK options are to be extended to 60 months. In addition, all the Dutch options(J are to be supported by permanent market making, meaning that market makersH will undertake the listing of prices in their order books on a permanent@ basis and not just on request. Eurex will reward the most active participants with anI attractive fees model. To facilitate hedging for those who trade in thesenG options, all the Dutch options tradable on Eurex will be subject to theeI smallest pricing unit of one Eurocent. Eurex is also the only exchange toeA have a minimum order size of just 250 contracts for block trades.n  J All in all, the equity option segment of Eurex is very successful: some 70I million contracts have so far been traded in 2002. The nine Dutch optionsyE already available on Eurex are ABN Amro,Aegon, Ahold, ASML, ING, KPN,eJ Philips St., Royal Dutch and Unilever. For some of the Dutch options EurexJ already has a market share of up to 30 percent of the total trading volume
 worldwide.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:22:13 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com; Subject: Moving OT : Kraft (Re: Case sensitive identifiers)a: Message-ID: <OF27550B3F.EA77BA6D-ON00256BE3.0059D07B@btyp>   Ah! Kraft Foods!  K Now we can get back on the Marmite/Bovril/Vegemite thread from last year...a   ;^Dh   Steve S         E "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> on 06/22/2002 01:19:55 PM"    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc:eJ From:      "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>, 22 June 2002, 1:19            p.m.a   Re: Case sensitive identifiers     Brass Christof wrote:k >  > Frank Sapienza wrote:r > >tB > > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message) > > news:aeps6e$5pt$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...e5 > > > I don;t know about you, but I don't use a mono-e > > > case natural languager > >yG > > Really?  Does your dictionary show different meanings for the wordsa1 > > "Dictionary", "DICTIONARY", and "dictionary"?a > >hH > > All natural languages are mono-case.  Just because we may format ourH > > sentences using upper- and lower-case letters for appearance doesn't make  > > the language case-sensitive. >p& > I'm not sure whether you're correct. > 6 > There are natural languages that are case sensitive. >d6 > IOW there is a difference between "Kraft" (noun) and; > "kraft" (preposition). While I agree that it is a pain to = > access database records with mixed case I always thought itn? > should be the responsibility of the users to stick to certainy? > conventions. Case isn't the only way to screw up identifiers.a [snip]  D Just to complicate matters, "Kraft" is a proper name - a family thatH started a food manufacturing business. "Craft" can be either a noun or a4 verb, but I've never heard it used as a preposition.   -- David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/9          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasoG been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,n$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have receivedsK this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.t  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.h  I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,dD RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2002 11:56:12 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)t Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing3 Message-ID: <85UGeE9Ry2XZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  c In article <I$6F0tdMHpt3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:g, > The execution of this plan is not perfect. > O > I got (what I think is) a registration confirmation in the form of HTML mail.3  7 and now the reply I sent asking for plaintext produced:u   > Your message >  >   To:      OpenVMS@dirmkt.comf  , >   Sent:    Sat, 22 Jun 2002 04:11:43 -0700 > + > did not reach the following recipient(s):- > 7 > OpenVMS@dirmkt.com on Sun, 23 Jun 2002 04:31:19 -0700 * >     The recipient name is not recognizedK >     MSEXCH:IMS:Direct Marketing Partners:DMP:NT_MAIL 0 (000C05A6) Unknown    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 09:56:55 -07006 From: philipp.lewis@deutsche-boerse.com (philip lewis) Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing= Message-ID: <4ad76487.0206250856.11716c02@posting.google.com>    Belowe  U Brass Christof <welcome@spam.not> wrote in message news:<3D1410C5.6CFDFA@spam.not>...  > John Smith wrote:t > > F > > Hey Ed - just a question - How did you find out about this 'tour'? > > O > > How much 'public' notice is there being given to this tour? ie. trade rags,-* > > newspapers, targeted mailings, etc.... > > N > > How many HP sales and marketing reps are going in to see *new* or existingI > > customers to say "You know that lousy Dell or IBM 'industry standard' I > > hardware or Sun junk you're running, or that Proliant or Netserver or-M > > PA-Risc box we sold you last week...well it's all a bunch of cr*p running-M > > Windoze/Linux/unix. Come to this presentation and we'll show you the REAL- > > stuff!"- >   	 > :-) :-)2 >   N > > Without all of this, attendance will be lousy and then HP can point to theL > > results of the tour and say "See, I told you so...why should we have VMS% > > presentations when nobody comes."a > > P > > I hope that HP understands that they are going to have to do this regularly.O > > Too bad they didn't do a tour stop  at the SIA show in New York this month,mO > > but that's probably a bit too front-and-center for them. There'd be lots of5 > > very pointed questions.r > > K > > Not also that the tour is scheduled entirely during the summer vacationBN > > months, when key decision makers are more often on vacation.  Just another$ > > good way to keep attendance low. > > P > > Now HP may turn around internally and say "What the hell do all these peopleL > > in c.o.v.  want? (not that HP is doing this for our exclusive benefit or
 > > anything)i > > M > > What HP should be doing (IMHO) is starting to do the creative advertisingeP > > work for VMS today, get all the collateral ready and start their advertisingN > > with the trade and key general circulation papers next week, have a coupleN > > TV spots ready for the baseball All-Star game, the US F1 race, and severalM > > golf tournaments, CNBC's Kudlow &Cramer, etc..... Do some sales calls anddG > > present marketing material and prime the pump for a Sept-Oct. tour.l > H > No. VMS is not for the masses - at least not in the current situation.I > People as stupid as interested in sports on TV or even motor car races cK > and other crap should never touch VMS (and surely should not be managers .  > of technical stuff or people).  B Oh my.  20 years on VMS and, gulp, I race motor cars (so does DaveE Cutler as I recall, and a prominent OracleRdb engineer races MCs so Iu; am not alone).  I guess we are not worthy of our positions.i  B Surprising as it may seem to the intellectual elite, not all jocksC and/or sportsfans are intellectually incapable (though clearly somet; are) - in fact IIRC, statistically speaking there is a highgF correlation between "intelligence" (aka high quality CNS) and sporting prowess.  F As for VMS, I still (sadly) subscribe to the "soon to be dead" theory. > K > VMS is used in areas where decisions are based on plans. To increase VMS wG > business substantially a period of five to ten years is necessary of -E > advertising, talking to managers and technical investment into the oA > product (instead of wasting time and money for stupid Slowaris : > compatibility).e > F > Because of the long period for decisions to become effective VMS is H > still in business although a lot of severe damage has been done to it. > I > Because of the long period for decisions to become effective HPQ needs sD > a long breath to be successful. If they decide after a few months E > campaign to drop their activities because of not measurable effect  % > they don't understand the business.o >  > >  > > My $0.02 > > > > > "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageP > > news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C570@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us. > > ..N > > > HP has scheduled a presentation tour for OpenVMS in the US.  The tour isP > > > titled "to re-boot or not to re-boot   with OpenVMS there is no question.") > > > You can get details on the tour at: 1 > > > <http://www.showexhibit.com/hp_openvmstour>t > > >i > > > EdK > > > **Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here.**S > > >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:17:23 GMT9# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i Subject: Re: New VMS MarketingH Message-ID: <DA1S8.22236$71t1.5767@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  K I think I'm going to excerpt this entire sub-thread, clean it up a bit, ande send it to some people at HP.     -----------------------------  I I think we also ought to extend a written invitation to Walter Hewlett tojJ come join us periodically here in c.o.v.  I have a funny feeling that he'sI not through with HP. He goes to cocktail parties that we don't go to, ands, speaks with people that we don't speak with.    Shoulda done this before.....    > "Jerry Leslie" <LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM> wrote in message3 news:CKSR8.8768$iU2.260744@typhoon.austin.rr.com...e+ > Don Sykes (annonymous@pacbell.net) wrote:hJ > : Carly: (looking back inside the house) Bill? There's a guy here saying bada( > : things about your stuff. Is it true? > : G > : (Voice from inside) Of course it's not true! ... What is he saying?e > :e >iF > Cute, but His Gateness has admitted his software crashes too much... > > >   http://money.cnn.com/2001/11/12/technology/gates_software/: >   Gates admits software crashes too much - Nov. 12, 2001 >C >   Microsoft focuses on basics # >   November 12, 2001: 7:44 a.m. ET G >   Bill Gates admits software crashes too much and is too hard to use.U >e > How aboutm >cC >   Carly: (looking back inside the house) Bill? There's a guy hereg >   wanting to market VMS. >e< >   Bill: We had a VMSCluster in-house. It was too reliable. > F >   Let me explain to you  what happens to CEOs that dare market theirL >   own proprietary products while selling my solutions. Does "Jimmie Hoffa" >   mean anything to you ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:43:15 GMTm2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: OpenVMS on CNBC2 Message-ID: <Tr_R8.14$HL5.399507@news.cpqcorp.net>  H http://famulus.msnbc.com/famuluscom/businesswire06-25-060938.asp?sym=HPQ   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:20:31 GMT 2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: OpenVMS on Yahooe1 Message-ID: <P__R8.16$tA5.41001@news.cpqcorp.net>e  , http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:34:11 -0400P1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>n Subject: Re: OpenVMS on Yahooe2 Message-ID: <3D187F63.7C0BB676@firstdbasource.com>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > . > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html    C Looks like the VMS Marketing Volunteers are having some infuence :)i -- n Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #26116327 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comyE VMS Marketing Volunteer   http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmle/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:34:11 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>s$ Subject: OpenVMS V7.3-1 AnnouncementT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4026607C0@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   All,  5 As a fyi, OpenVMS V7.3-1 was officially announced.=20:   References:(   HP:a4 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/25jun02b.htm   Yahoo:/ http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html=20e   MSNBC:J http://famulus.msnbc.com/famuluscom/businesswire06-25-060938.asp?sym=3DHP= Qe    $ The official HP release is attached.  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantn Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesh Voice: 613-592-4660o Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com  C HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that is e-Business anda Internet-ready    PALO ALTO, Calif., June 25, 2002  E HP (NYSE:HPQ) today released an enhanced OpenVMS operating system foriH AlphaServers that is e-business and Internet-ready. The HP OpenVMS AlphaF V7.3-1 has features unmatched by the competition and delivers the highG levels of reliability, availability and scalability required by today'sd demanding applications.a  F HP OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 delivers enhanced OpenVMS Storage Area NetworkD offerings, improved system availability, improvements in I/O and SMP= performance, enhanced security, expanded ability to port UNIXa> applications to OpenVMS and enhanced TCP/IP stack for extended! interoperability and performance.i  > New features and enhancements to the operating system include:  F - Extended failover capability to served devices in an OpenVMS clusterD environment -- extends device failover to served devices, as well asG directly attached devices. This eliminates single points of failure fore served devices. @ - Fibre channel performance enhancements -- new features such asF distributed interrupts and interrupt coalescing, as well as reductionsC in I/O Lock8 usage, providing two times the I/O throughput on fibret" channel over the previous release.E - Multipath tapes on fibre channel -- provides multipath capabilities 0 for fibre channel tapes to help reduce downtime.C - Performance improvements for applications running on SMP systems.wB - Expanded security with more authentication options -- integratedF Kerberos support and simplified authentication through the new SYS$ACM
 interface.G - Industry standard encryption options -- OpenSSL (Secure Socket Layer)1< and the Common Data Security Architecture (CDSA) provide theG cryptographic tools and utilities needed to deploy secure applications._D - UNIX portability enhancements -- enhancements in the CRTL and file= system make porting UNIX applications to OpenVMS much easier.sG - Compaq Secure Web Browser (CSWB) -- the supported browser for OpenVMS'@ AlphaServer systems based on Mozilla, an open-source Web browser? designed for standards compliance, performance and portability.oA - Graphic Configuration Manager (GCM) for OpenVMS - - a portable,rE client/server application that provides a visual means of viewing and H controlling the configuration of partitioned AlphaServer systems running9 OpenVMS which helps overall management of the partitions.t@ - Enhanced OpenVMS support for StorageWorks enterprise-class MSAB solutions and SANWorks software solutions -- including EVM and new VersaStor virtualizing adapter.h  G Some competitive advantages of the OpenVMS environment include: OpenVMSa@ Galaxy which provides dynamic reconfiguration without rebooting;H significant flexibility with partitioning and multiple operating systems? supported; high availability features such as online repair andr; clustering for 24x365 computing; total conversion to 64-biteE functionality for more than a decade while some competitors are stillhE migrating; seamless interoperability with Microsoft(r) Windows NT(r);s< and the availability of thousands of commercial and freeware
 applications.l  H "This release of the OpenVMS operating system, the highest quality ever,H continues to lead the competition," said Mark Gorham, vice president, HPA OpenVMS Software Group. "It is further evidence of HP's long-termrB commitment to the millions of users around the world who value andF require the performance and the expanded mission-critical capabilities from OpenVMS."  E HP OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 is expected to be available worldwide in JulygC and will be shipping on all new HP AlphaServer DS, ES and GS series  systems.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:20:03 GMTt. From: Michael Rice <MichaelARice@adelphia.net>' Subject: Re: Recent version of GNU GCC?o+ Message-ID: <3D186F23.4040605@adelphia.net>h   Michiel Erens wrote: > GreyCloud wrote: >  >>Michael Rice wrote:i >>D >>>I have been trying to find a relatively recent version of GCC (>=E >>>2.95.3) for Alpha/VMS 7.2.  I have found references to 2.7 and 2.8i >>>versions, but nothing newer.y >>>eF >>>Apparently ACT has contributed Ada to the current GCC.  It would beG >>>great to get the full GCC set (C, C++, Fortran, Ada, Java, etc.) on   >>>VMS., >>>eD >>>Anyone know if newer versions of the GNU compilers are available? >>< >>I looked around for this also on gnu.org and couldn't find! >>anything of the latest for VMS.- >  > 2 > I doubt that GCC on VMS has much future... See :T > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020618093203.D3049%40dr-evil.shagadelic.org >   G That is too bad.  I was hoping to get a more coherent set of compilers  G than the one I've cobbled together from the VMS Hobbyist CD and an old t CONDIST.   ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:33:39 +0200 (MET DST)t& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>< Subject: Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III6 Message-ID: <200206250733.JAA08096@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  : Andrew, you did nothing write about my second email with a= benchmark, which did not show what you write. You write aboutr? benchmarks with a GS320. What type of GS320 the old one, or thec? newest one. The Sun looked like the newest one. Also the bench-o> mark which I did send to the list, was not a Compaq benchmark.= I do have the same opinion as you: the Intel benchmark, whichn? will outperform Sun Sparc is surely not correct. But that Alphag< is not a competitor is trash. Look at the TOP500 list. Where# can you find Sparc and where Alpha.t   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:17:07 +0100 U From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com>s< Subject: Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III0 Message-ID: <af9ccn$b1r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:x   > Hello, > < > Andrew, you did nothing write about my second email with a? > benchmark, which did not show what you write. You write about A > benchmarks with a GS320. What type of GS320 the old one, or theaA > newest one. The Sun looked like the newest one. Also the bench-.@ > mark which I did send to the list, was not a Compaq benchmark.? > I do have the same opinion as you: the Intel benchmark, whichoA > will outperform Sun Sparc is surely not correct. But that Alpha:> > is not a competitor is trash. Look at the TOP500 list. Where% > can you find Sparc and where Alpha._ >     6 Some of the benchmark results are with the 731 Mhz CPU some with the 1001 Mhz CPU.a  9 But the same applies to the Sun's as well, for the Oracled9 applications benchmark a 24 CPU 750 Mhz Sun 6800 has ~25%n9 better throughput than a 32 way 731 Mhz GS320. Compaq nowe: has faster processors as does Sun so the differential will still be there.a  7 On TPC-H the F15000 is so much faster per CPU that evenc8 factoring in faster Alpha processors for the GS320 would3 not get it to approach the same throughput per CPU.a   Similar for SAP.  5 And the TPC-C result where the GS320 is 4/5th overalli4 was done with 1001 Mhz CPU's which are currently the fastest available.  ; The systems in the top500 list are predominantly very largen; clusters of very small machines, in Compaqs case ES40/45's.i8 It is also a list which is consturcted using a benchmark9 as a measure which is predominantly of interest to people.< who are using their systems for HPC/FP, this is not what the( vast majority of servers are sold to do.  : SGI for example are carefull not to extend their marketing9 of SGI boxes into the commercial server space when makingt< performance claims, perhaps this is a more honest model that< could have been followed by Compaq. Market the boxes as good; platforms for HPC by all means but fess up to the fact thato= they just don't appear on the basis of Compaqs own benchmarks 8 to be competitive as commercial servers and drop the BS.  = If you think that AlphaServers are performance leaders in the < commercial server market then you are wrong based on Compaqs> own evidence, perhaps this is also why they are not a sucesses in that market.    Regards- Andrew Harrison-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:00:42 GMTs5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>e< Subject: Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III2 Message-ID: <uA%R8.18$8J5.270488@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >> >e > 7 >But this is only a valid comparison if you believe the : >Benchmarketing campaign being run by Intel at the moment. > A >If you take a more cautious view based on Intels own performanced= >estimates for IA-64-II vs IA-64-I you get a rather differente >story.i >i  K Note that this is only partially a CPU chip vs CPU chip comparison.  The HPB= Itanium-2 platform also provides it's own core logic chipset.,  C So you are likely to see performance that is *better* than just thee chip-to-chip comparison.  K But this just leads us off the real path, since the test wasn't a estimate,hF or a benchmark - it was a comparison between two real systems, running actual customer code.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:09:07 +0100eU From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> < Subject: Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky III0 Message-ID: <afa4h7$iu2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  8 > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote in message ... >  >>8 >>But this is only a valid comparison if you believe the; >>Benchmarketing campaign being run by Intel at the moment.i >>B >>If you take a more cautious view based on Intels own performance> >>estimates for IA-64-II vs IA-64-I you get a rather different >>story. >> >> > M > Note that this is only partially a CPU chip vs CPU chip comparison.  The HPe? > Itanium-2 platform also provides it's own core logic chipset.v > E > So you are likely to see performance that is *better* than just thet > chip-to-chip comparison. > M > But this just leads us off the real path, since the test wasn't a estimate,vH > or a benchmark - it was a comparison between two real systems, running > actual customer code.o >  >     9 So using the HP platform chipset improves the performance : of Itanium II from slightly less than that of an Ultra III9 Intels own 70% performance hike estimate for Itanium madet% in April to 4 x that of an Ultra III.o  % Wow what else does it do, make toast.t   Regardsr Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:43:16 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>M< Subject: Re: Reuters test - Itanium II blows away Sparky IIIE Message-ID: <UY1S8.9431$mi.6893@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>d  # "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy"m> <andrew_nospam.harrison_remove_this@sun#.com> wrote in message* news:af9ccn$b1r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >i >gB > perhaps this is also why they are not a sucesses in that market.  G The reason Alpha does not have the market penetration in the commercialIG space has nothing to do with your claimed issues of performance. It hasi  everything to do with marketing.  K Each of the major computer manufacturers generally make fine hardware. EachdL has their share of design and manufacturing glitches from time-to-time. EachG leapfrogs the other in performance and features from time-to-time. EachiJ may/may not have the most competitive offering at a given price-point at aI specific point-in-time. So on any given day, vendor A may have a 'better'rE product than vendors B and C at price-point $X. A week later that cansL change. And all that also presupposes that the software that runs on each of4 the hardware platforms is 'tuned' for that platform.  D Let's face the facts.....with no offence to those in this n.g., mostD customers are dolts. They usually buy the wrong things for the wrongH reasons, ie. quality of the golf club their sales rep takes them to, theG fact that the SVP is the sales reps' brother-in-law, that 'we've alwaysrK bought from Inter-Galactic Computer Corp.', the gullability of their seniorC execs, and such.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:46:41 GMTr$ From: "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr> Subject: TCO study0 Message-ID: <R5WR8.7$6A5.17426@news.cpqcorp.net>   Some thoughts about TCO.  K I have been recently to Decus Lyon, and talked to a Vms System Engineer. He 7 works now on Vms and a Unix (I will not say which one).oI He said that, in his opinion, the TCO of his Unix machines was very, very- high compared to Vms. J He said that he was called too often during the night or the week-end, andF that he could not understand why they were working with that Operating4 System, not reliable at all, a nightmare as he said.  0 I guess a honest study about TCO does not exist.K If  Ibm (or HP, or ...) has one, it will only reflect the relative power ofh  the Mvs, Aix, OS 400 inside Ibm.  K  I do not talk about  a study by D H Brown, paid by Microsoft, to show thatf9 Linux was more expensive than NT, or something like that.p  2 I guess a honest study about TCO is an oxymoron...   Regardst   Grard   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 06:54:22 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)8 Subject: Re: TCO study3 Message-ID: <9Zi93hUHHCXs@eisner.encompasserve.org>)  W In article <R5WR8.7$6A5.17426@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr> writes:  > Some thoughts about TCO. > M > I have been recently to Decus Lyon, and talked to a Vms System Engineer. He 9 > works now on Vms and a Unix (I will not say which one).iK > He said that, in his opinion, the TCO of his Unix machines was very, veryo > high compared to Vms. L > He said that he was called too often during the night or the week-end, andH > that he could not understand why they were working with that Operating6 > System, not reliable at all, a nightmare as he said.  F But from _his_ viewpoint (not the owner of the company) that should be measure as income, not TCO :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2002 12:44:56 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)n Subject: Re: TCO study, Message-ID: <af9ok8$1o7q$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  3 In article <9Zi93hUHHCXs@eisner.encompasserve.org>,h0  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Z |> In article <R5WR8.7$6A5.17426@news.cpqcorp.net>, "labadie" <labadie_g@decus.fr> writes: |> > Some thoughts about TCO.- |> > _P |> > I have been recently to Decus Lyon, and talked to a Vms System Engineer. He< |> > works now on Vms and a Unix (I will not say which one).N |> > He said that, in his opinion, the TCO of his Unix machines was very, very |> > high compared to Vms.O |> > He said that he was called too often during the night or the week-end, andhK |> > that he could not understand why they were working with that Operating,9 |> > System, not reliable at all, a nightmare as he said.@ |> dI |> But from _his_ viewpoint (not the owner of the company) that should be6! |> measure as income, not TCO :-)t    ? Or maybe the problem is having the Unix systems maintained by aoD " Vms System Engineer".  I currently maintain 14 Unix servers (alongC with a number of other OSes) and can't remember the last time I was4A called in outside of regular working hours.  And, the last time IsA remember turned out to be due to an air conditioning failure thatuC resulted in hardware failures.  People here really need to get overf7 this warped belief that Unix systems aren't reliable.  -   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:58:23 -0400n' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>p Subject: RE: TCO studyT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4023D9207@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Gerard,s   Re: TCO Study .. Check out:HE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/whitepapers/enterprise_tco.htmlr   Regardso  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Hewlett-Packard Canada! Consulting & Integration Servicesi Voice: 613-592-4660s Fax   : 613-591-4477 Email: Kerry.Main@hp.com     -----Original Message-----, From: labadie [mailto:labadie_g@decus.fr]=20 Sent: June 25, 2002 4:47 AMO To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi Subject: TCO study     Some thoughts about TCO.  J I have been recently to Decus Lyon, and talked to a Vms System Engineer. =J He works now on Vms and a Unix (I will not say which one). He said that, =B in his opinion, the TCO of his Unix machines was very, very high =H compared to Vms. He said that he was called too often during the night =I or the week-end, and that he could not understand why they were working =yH with that Operating System, not reliable at all, a nightmare as he said.  0 I guess a honest study about TCO does not exist.J If  Ibm (or HP, or ...) has one, it will only reflect the relative power =# of the Mvs, Aix, OS 400 inside Ibm.v  H  I do not talk about  a study by D H Brown, paid by Microsoft, to show => that Linux was more expensive than NT, or something like that.  2 I guess a honest study about TCO is an oxymoron...   Regardsh   G=E9rard   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2002 17:26:16 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)I Subject: VAX 4000-200n, Message-ID: <afa93o$1vrs$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  E ANybody have an idea what the likely selling price for a VAX 4000-200vD might be??  I looked at Ebay but didn't see anything there.  Anybody here who might be interested??   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 06:57:09 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) Subject: Re: VMS port delayed!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0206250557.5df9c7f6@posting.google.com>C  m bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote in message news:<d7791aa1.0206241510.112a7f0b@posting.google.com>...-  B just heard from Rich M. and Mark G. ... here is what Mark says ...  A "Magee continues to search for something negative to write about,pC we're fine with the port, and we're considering the incremental lowo end support work."   Regardse   Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:28:50 GMTh5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>i Subject: Re: VMS port delayed!2 Message-ID: <S_%R8.19$pO5.527445@news.cpqcorp.net>  J I'm not quite sure who they get their information from, but as the projectI leader for the initial bootstrap of VMS on Itanium, I've not been able toeI figure out what exactly this "HAL" thing/problem is.  I would *hope* thaty *I* would know about it.  I Perhaps they are referring to our use of ACPI?  Which isn't a "snagette".nH We've always understood that we would need to use ACPI, and just as manyF other aspects of the port, just "how" and "when" we would use ACPI hasI evolved as our understanding of what EFI/SAL/PAL/ACPI provides has grown. 7 We don't expect this to have an impact on the schedule.f   _Fredo    ! Bob Ceculski wrote in message ...u8 >which is why I suggested to Rich Marcello that we would6 >need a DS25/DS20L VMS compatible box on the market to' >counter balance any porting delays ...t >, >a >VMS to Itanium port  delayed > 1 >HAL-HP: "I'm afraid I can't let you do that Jim"H) >By Adamson Rust, 24/06/2002 08:25:47 BSTo >s > G >SOURCES CLOSE to the action in the USA tell the INQUIRER that a littlem? >snagette is likely to hold up the much vaunted port of the VMSV2 >operating system to the Itanium processor family.G >VMS will need a hardware abstraction layer (HAL) to run on the ItaniumyB >and that could take a little longer to prepare than the engineers	 >thought.t >rF >Course Hewlett Packard realises that VMS will run on Itanium boxes itC >doesn't produce  and we also know that Intel has cunning plans toeC >compete against its partners by selling servers into precisely the> >same corporate market it does.a >e >HAL will help there Jim.= >>B >And VMS will also be able to party in a multi operating system soF >called "utility data centre" environment, with CPUs pulled in to formC >instances and then de-allocated when those instances are no longerC >needed. > C >What it means is there's an extra level of delay in performing thee@ >port while the engineers work out exactly how to play this one. > E >Then, after that, the marketeers will figure out how to present thisrF >uniquely to their customers, hoping and praying they'll stay with HP.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:43:20 GMTl5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>o Subject: Re: VMS port delayed!2 Message-ID: <sc0S8.22$iO5.522381@news.cpqcorp.net>  & Island (hpaq.net) wrote in message ...L >I can guarantee you that HPAQ will do something to the main logic board andL >patent/copyright every circuit and firmware on it to prevent others getting8 >a share of the profitable VMS hardware/licensing market >t  J It's always possible I suppose, but it doesn't seem likely, and we haven'tL been asked to take any such actions.  We (VMS) don't really have any controlL over the HW platform, we will be using the same platforms that HP-UX, Linux, and Win64 are running on.o  J >Quite easy really - just find a reliable obsure SCSI controller and stuffI >some VERY proprietary firmware on it - then stuff it on the motherboard.lI >Just like the KZPCA Ultra LVD controller - use a generic and VMS dumps ae  >coupl eof minutes into loading. >s  J There isn't any such thing as a "generic" disk controller.  VMS doesn't doC anything to deliberately make non-HP provided controllers not work. K However, because of the way VMS uses many controllers, we very often end up@L requiring updated firmware to fix bugs in controllers that work just fine on a PC.   L We've never had a problem with folks like IntraServer who provided their own HW and even their own driver.   G >The most stupid thing HP could do is to not do the above purely on theeJ >grounds that there would be some very unstable VMS systems running on all >kinds of funky controllers  >   L Oh, I'm sure there may be issues with *licensing* non-HP systems for VMS.  IL would hope and expect that the business practices people will figure out howL to do the right thing.  It is likely that VMS will boot on a non-HP platformJ just fine - that doesn't mean it is "supported" on it unless there is someH explicit mechanism to allow VMS to be licensed to run on such equipment.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 10:48:09 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)d Subject: Re: VMS port delayed!3 Message-ID: <UqnwMVuIz0hj@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  j In article <sc0S8.22$iO5.522381@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  N > Oh, I'm sure there may be issues with *licensing* non-HP systems for VMS.  IN > would hope and expect that the business practices people will figure out howN > to do the right thing.  It is likely that VMS will boot on a non-HP platformL > just fine - that doesn't mean it is "supported" on it unless there is someJ > explicit mechanism to allow VMS to be licensed to run on such equipment.  E They could choose to "license" but not "support" use of VMS on non-HPsD systems.  The revenue loss from mission-critical computing customersF should be minimal, while giving others a chance to "kick the tires" orE convert existing Itanium systems from inferior operating systems.  ItoD is a lot easier to convince the beancounters to buy software than to replace hardware.r   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 09:18:16 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]>b" Subject: Re: WASD startup problems6 Message-ID: <20020625091816.19368.qmail@nym.alias.net>  ; On 24 Jun 2002, psy@psy.bronderslev.dk (Bent Wagner) wrote:v >Hi all. >a# >I have a problem starting up WASD.t  H I run WASD here, the obvious question is what version are you using? I'mJ running v7.2, and if it is the same version you're trying to get going youJ might find the following URL useful, https://vmsbox.cjb.net/ht_root/. ThatG gives you access to my copy of the documentation. My comments below ares based on using that version.  ' >I am using this script to start it up:u >s >s >WEB-START.COM >s! >$ mount dka0: web-disk web-disk:8  G Others have pointed out, this should be mounted /SYSTEM. The web server = will run under a different user and needs access to the disk.n    $ >$ ht_root :== "vax$dka0:[ht_root.]"  G This is a symbol definition, looks like it should actually be a logicaleI definition. I'll point out that I don't have that, and the startup scriptg handles it.i   >$ WASD_HTTPD_GMT :== "+1"  H I've not used this setting, and I couldn't find it in the documentation.K There is a search facility under the VMS Scripts link on the documentation.k  # >$ @DKA0:[HT_ROOT.LOCAL]STARTUP.COM    That looks okay.   >$! run ht_exe:httpd  I Do *NOT* uncomment this line! If this command procedure is run as part of H your startup then this will run the web server under the SYSTEM account.  4 >I think the STARTUP.COM is supposed to start it up, >but it does not.   F If I take a look at the copy of STARTUP.COM that I have here the firstK thing that pops up are some symbol definitions to configure the web server.oJ Among those is the WASD_HTTPD_GMT setting, it points out that this is onlyJ for when you do not use SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL. I would check to see ifC this is defined on your system, and if so, remove the definition of J WASD_HTTPD_GMT from your startup procedure. Otherwise you may need to editI this startup file and restart the web server at spring forward/fall back.AE HT_ROOT is not listed, and the following comment appears in the code:o  D $! By default HT_ROOT logical is generated from the location of this
 procedure.  5 I'm now pretty sure you don't need that HT_ROOT line.     5 >I have commented out the last line, because it takes 6 >over the console, and if i log out, the process dies.   Yes.  7 >The ht_exe:httpd image needs to run in the background,e   Yes.' >and perhaps all of WEB-START.COM does.n  D No, but you could submit it to a batch queue and let the rest of theF startup continue. However, if you do that I recommend you put the disk) mount into the main startup command file.n  ; >Right now i start the WEB-START.COM from SYSTARTUP_VMS.COMr >like this:t > # >@SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]WEB-START.COMi  K You'll find that this will probably work when you sort out that disk mount.-K The STARTUP.COM provided with the web server is supposed to do all the workmI for you and get the server process running detached under the HTTP$SERVERD user.8     Doc. -- e6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                             https://vmsbox.cjb.netm   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2002 10:12:31 GMT* From: psy@psy.bronderslev.dk (Bent Wagner)" Subject: Re: WASD startup problems3 Message-ID: <slrnahgkj3.6pb.psy@psy.bronderslev.dk>I   Hi all.   # Thank you all for your suggestions.o  ? I removed the HT_ROOT symbol and made DKA0: mounted systemwide.    It didn't work.m  " Then most of you mentioned queues.  9 It turned out that i didn't have a queue-manager started.h' I made it start, and everything worked.   4 You could not have known that i didn't have that one6 running. If you did, i would have gotten 100+ messages telling me to get i running.    
 Thanks again.o   Bent Wagnera   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 02:52:16 +0930n/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>t" Subject: Re: WASD startup problems. Message-ID: <3D18A6C8.4050803@wasd.vsm.com.au>   Hi Bent,  ? I do watch this news group and did reply earlier today from my  5 workplace.  Apparently the items did not make it out!u  & Generally the advice has been helpful.7 David Dachtera was correct - he was *100%* off-base ;^)tI Doc Cypher's advice was more useful as he has direct experience with the w= package (OT: unfortunately, Doc's signature is all too true).t  H When reporting problems in this forum information about the environment H is often helpful.  Platform (Alpha/VAX), VMS version, software version, 6 etc.  I'm assuming the latest version of WASD (7.2.n).  B The STARTUP.COM procedure should do all the required work for you C (defining some logicals, detaching the server process, etc.).  The aH symbols, such as WASD_HTTPD_GMT, are just used to pass information into D it (to try and obviate update issues should the procedure itself be 	 changed).   I As you report in a later item you have fixed the problem by starting the  F queue-manager.  From this I guess you are using a pre-VMS-6.2 version E (which uses the batch system to detach the process under a different dH account, post-6.2 that process is created directly by the server image).  H If the VMS version guess is correct you also need the WASD_HTTPD_GMT to 2 tell the startup procedure what the GMT offset is @ (SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL is often not reliable on pre-VMS-7.n F systems).  WASD_HTTPD_GMT is just ignored on versions where it is not 
 necessary.  H Glad you got it going; comp.os.vms can be a very useful technical forum G (if you can manage to hear anything else through the constant advocacy iG white-noise).  There is also the info-WASD mailing list available from sI http://wasd.vsm.com.au/other/info-WASD.html if you are planning on using u WASD to any extent.b  & Regards, Mark Daniel (package author).  F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaidenF   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   Bent Wagner wrote:	 > Hi all.w > $ > I have a problem starting up WASD. > ( > I am using this script to start it up: >  >  > WEB-START.COMw > " > $ mount dka0: web-disk web-disk:% > $ ht_root :== "vax$dka0:[ht_root.]"- > $ WASD_HTTPD_GMT :== "+1" $ > $ @DKA0:[HT_ROOT.LOCAL]STARTUP.COM > $! run ht_exe:httpdl > 5 > I think the STARTUP.COM is supposed to start it up,$ > but it does not. > 6 > I have commented out the last line, because it takes7 > over the console, and if i log out, the process dies.  > 8 > The ht_exe:httpd image needs to run in the background,( > and perhaps all of WEB-START.COM does. > < > Right now i start the WEB-START.COM from SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM > like this: > $ > @SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]WEB-START.COM > , > I have tried SPAWN, but had no luck there. > ? > My VMS is very rusty, so if you need more info please say so.e > 	 > Thanks.o > 
 > Bent Wagner> >    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Jun 2002 20:21:05 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: What kind of morons work at the FDA now?l0 Message-ID: <87660ajidq.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  < > "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageP > news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC0642C553@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us...  eA > > How long were new VAXes available after Alpha was introduced?o@ > > Customers who were on the VAX platform had plenty of time toD > > transition to Alpha because VAX EOL was not announced until longF > > after Alpha was available, and had begun to establish credibility.  iC > True. On the other hand, processor development on VAX pretty much 8 > stopped dead.  At least Alpha gets another generation.  E The existance of the NVAX, NVAX+, NVAX5 and NVAX5+ make your statmentc
 very suspect.    -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:00:16 -0400  From: afdfad <mfsggfs@fdf.com>5 Subject: Re: Why does SMTP RBL filter appear to fail?t' Message-ID: <3D186960.4DACCE92@fdf.com>r   Lawrence Bleau wrote:k >  > Steven Thompson wrote:P > > I just looked at your port 25 and did a couple of obvious tests which worked > > fine (for you that is)!g > > So what IS the problem?:1 > > You state that a USER received a (spam) mail.OM > > I'm under the impression that you can't stop a mail if it's for a genuine / > > local user on a  locally configured domain.tN > >> (I've got three domains on my VMS and I also get the occasional "get rich > >> quick" emails).5 > >> You can't do much if someone sends YOU an eMail!, > L > Wrong.  Think about it: If you can't stop spam email from being delieverd,L > then a spam filter isn't very useful, is it?  You certainly can stop emailJ > from reaching a valid local user by using the Reject-Mail-From list with/ > appropriate wildcards.  That's just one tool.s > N > > What you don't want (and it happened with my first configuration), is thatO > > someone uses your server to do a 10000 email "blast" to every Tom, Dick anda > > Harry on the net.w > G > This is mail relaying (the "open realy" problem), which is a separate - > (ahem) "feature".  This is turned off usinge > ) >         TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/OPT=NORELAY- > N > > It took various attempts playing with my own SMTP.config file to get it toD > > work, and it seems to be working now, without the RBL's that is. > E > Then you don't have anything to add to my problem about RBLs, then?- > G > >  The obvious... add this rogue IP to the "bad-clients" list and youe' > > shouldn't receive ANY mail from it!- >  > Wrong; see below.  > h > In article <3D17B20D.8EEB7F74@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:K > >So far I have not had to resort to using the RBL, but my question is- do#A > >you have to pay a fee in order to use the RBL? I was under the  > >impression that you did.7 > M > You do *not* have to pay a fee; at least not on the sites I use.  Let's notgJ > have discussion go into fee structures, though; I asked a tech question. > I > >I have good-clients and bad-clients configured (bad clients includes 5g > F > An earlier poster corrected my misimpression about the usefulness ofP > Good-Clients and Bad-Clients.  Perhaps you labor under the same misimpression.O > I was informed that, if mail relaying is *enabled*, then it is not permmittedoE > for systems on the Bad-Clients unless unless they also appar on the,N > Good-Clients list.  If mail relaying is *disabled*, then these two lists are- > not even used, as no mail relaying is done.  > Q > In short, Bad-Clients is not a list of systems to exclude; for that, one shouldt6 > use the Reject-Mail-From and Accept-Mail-From lists.  E In order for one to use POP mail, relaying must be ENABLED.  However, E with my configuration, I am rejecting all mail from the ones I listedt  where my smtp.config looks like:   Good-Clients: 192.168.1.0/24 Bad-Clients:< 212.0.0.0/8,213.0.0.0/8,218.0.0.0/8,210.0.0.0/8,211.0.0.0/8," 202.0.0.0/8,203.0.0.0/8,61.0.0.0/8  H The Bad-Clients are rejected even if they are sending mail to my account	 directly.t  ID I tested my "relay-ability" with one of the RBL sites and it said no relaying was being allowed.e  D I am always interested in setting things up properly and I will look* more closely at the Reject/Accept entries.   -- S Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163H7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com E                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.html / 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:21:02 GMTe# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>V Subject: wow; Message-ID: <27_R8.51756$db.877815@twister.tampabay.rr.com>d  H I am going to go have another cup of coffee, and come back and read thisH whole article.  I am not sure I read it right and I don't want to get my	 hopes up:p   From yahoo news:  C HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that Is e-Business andy Internet-Ready, http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:33:02 GMTt# From: "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com>o Subject: Re: wow; Message-ID: <ii_R8.51866$db.837557@twister.tampabay.rr.com>a  G Sorry about the cryptic title of the original post.  I was in sort of a J hurry, and that was all that crossed my mind when I read the headline in a8 regular news listing instead of in a strictly VMS forum.  . "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message5 news:27_R8.51756$db.877815@twister.tampabay.rr.com...eJ > I am going to go have another cup of coffee, and come back and read thisJ > whole article.  I am not sure I read it right and I don't want to get my > hopes up:d >c > From yahoo news: >pE > HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that Is e-Business anda > Internet-Ready. > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html >l >o >m >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:44:24 -0400e1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>r Subject: Re: wow2 Message-ID: <3D1873B8.4E49D4E0@firstdbasource.com>   "John N." wrote: > J > I am going to go have another cup of coffee, and come back and read thisJ > whole article.  I am not sure I read it right and I don't want to get my > hopes up:h >  > From yahoo news: > E > HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that Is e-Business andS > Internet-Ready. > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.html   no --- WWWOOWWWW!!!!!    --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163'7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comsE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmlo/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:45:30 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>C Subject: Re: wow8 Message-ID: <6tsghusrpp4hmiu2lon648cntqhr81ak7f@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:21:02 GMT, "John N." <JNixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote:  I >I am going to go have another cup of coffee, and come back and read thiseI >whole article.  I am not sure I read it right and I don't want to get my 
 >hopes up: >e >From yahoo news:t >lD >HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that Is e-Business and >Internet-Ready - >http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020625/250215_1.htmln >   E Definitely worth a repeat here. Wonder if any other news orgs pick upe, on it. Anyone know who Dick Callandrella is?  
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 SOURCE: HPC HP Unveils Enhanced OpenVMS Operating System that Is e-Business and- Internet-ReadyA PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 25, 2002--HP (NYSE:HPQ -L= News) today released an enhanced OpenVMS operating system forUB AlphaServers that is e-business and Internet-ready. The HP OpenVMSC Alpha V7.3-1 has features unmatched by the competition and deliversoE the high levels of reliability, availability and scalability requiredP# by today's demanding applications. d  F HP OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 delivers enhanced OpenVMS Storage Area NetworkD offerings, improved system availability, improvements in I/O and SMP= performance, enhanced security, expanded ability to port UNIXt> applications to OpenVMS and enhanced TCP/IP stack for extended" interoperability and performance.   ? New features and enhancements to the operating system include: t  D Extended failover capability to served devices in an OpenVMS clusterD environment -- extends device failover to served devices, as well asC directly attached devices. This eliminates single points of failures for served devices.i> Fibre channel performance enhancements -- new features such asF distributed interrupts and interrupt coalescing, as well as reductionsC in I/O Lock8 usage, providing two times the I/O throughput on fibrec" channel over the previous release.C Multipath tapes on fibre channel -- provides multipath capabilitiess0 for fibre channel tapes to help reduce downtime.A Performance improvements for applications running on SMP systems.e@ Expanded security with more authentication options -- integratedF Kerberos support and simplified authentication through the new SYS$ACM
 interface.E Industry standard encryption options -- OpenSSL (Secure Socket Layer)s< and the Common Data Security Architecture (CDSA) provide the9 cryptographic tools and utilities needed to deploy securet
 applications.sB UNIX portability enhancements -- enhancements in the CRTL and file= system make porting UNIX applications to OpenVMS much easier. E Compaq Secure Web Browser (CSWB) -- the supported browser for OpenVMS$@ AlphaServer systems based on Mozilla, an open-source Web browser? designed for standards compliance, performance and portability.i> Graphic Configuration Manager (GCM) for OpenVMS -- a portable,E client/server application that provides a visual means of viewing and @ controlling the configuration of partitioned AlphaServer systemsA running OpenVMS which helps overall management of the partitions.R> Enhanced OpenVMS support for StorageWorks enterprise-class MSAB solutions and SANWorks software solutions -- including EVM and new  VersaStor virtualizing adapter. ? Some competitive advantages of the OpenVMS environment include:t= OpenVMS Galaxy which provides dynamic reconfiguration without A rebooting; significant flexibility with partitioning and multiplefF operating systems supported; high availability features such as onlineF repair and clustering for 24x365 computing; total conversion to 64-bitE functionality for more than a decade while some competitors are stilluE migrating; seamless interoperability with Microsoft Windows NT; andhF the availability of thousands of commercial and freeware applications.  B "This release of the OpenVMS operating system, the highest quality@ ever, continues to lead the competition," said Mark Gorham, viceE president, HP OpenVMS Software Group. "It is further evidence of HP'snB long-term commitment to the millions of users around the world whoC value and require the performance and the expanded mission-criticalt capabilities from OpenVMS."   E HP OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 is expected to be available worldwide in July:C and will be shipping on all new HP AlphaServer DS, ES and GS seriesl	 systems. R  	 About HP    D HP is a leading global provider of products, technologies, solutionsF and services to consumers and businesses. The company's offerings span@ IT infrastructure, personal computing and access devices, globalF services and imaging and printing. HP completed its merger transactionF involving Compaq Computer Corp. on May 3, 2002. The company would haveE had combined revenue on a pro forma basis with the Compaq transaction C of approximately $81.1 billion in fiscal 2001 and has operations inoB more than 160 countries. More information about HP is available at http://www.hp.com. u  B This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve? risks, uncertainties and assumptions. All statements other than-A statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemeds@ forward-looking statements. Risks, uncertainties and assumptions? include the possibility that the market for the sale of certain F products and services may not develop as expected; that development ofA these products and services may not proceed as planned; and othermA risks that are described from time to time in HP's Securities andrE Exchange Commission reports, including but not limited to HP's annualaC report on Form 10-K, as amended on January 30, 2002, for the fiscalvC year ended October 31, 2001, HP's quarterly report on Form 10-Q fornF the quarter ended January 31, 2002 (as filed with the SEC on March 12,> 2002) and subsequently filed reports. If any of these risks or= uncertainties materializes or any of these assumptions provesAF incorrect, HP's results could differ materially from HP's expectationsD in these statements. HP assumes no obligation and does not intend to) update these forward-looking statements. i  = Note to Editors: Microsoft and Windows NT are U.S. registeredo trademarks of Microsoft Corp.       P --------------------------------------------------------------------------------	 Contact: r        HPo#      Dick Calandrella, 508/467-2261n      dick.calandrella@hp.com     -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jun 2002 10:37:29 -0700, From: bubbapig@hotmail.com (Jeffrey Cameron)0 Subject: Re: Yet another PL/I <-> C question :-)= Message-ID: <b22333b7.0206250937.56dd8220@posting.google.com>d  E This SQL preprocessor might work better then what we are looking at. MB If you could remmber the name or where to find it that would be anE immense help. I will be sure to mention it to my boss and see what herE says about it. He is abig PL/I guy like yourself so i'm sure he woulda& be very happy to hear of such a thing.  F The theory goes that we will be using the SQL server to store the dataB and then process it on our PL/I matrix manip. program (yet anotherC 'camel' solution). If it sounds very complicated, unsafe and unwise A thats because it probably is! Though we are trying other possibleh
 solutions!  E The truth is that the PL/I system has been running great and doing any@ ideal job for many many years now however they are retooling theE division I work in to bring it more in line with 'modern' technology.u@ Like I mentioned there isnt much left here in terms of corporateF memory on PL/I and as an agency (a Canadian federal government one) weE are moving towards VB/SQL Server or SAS applications. This may not bem0 the wisest decision but it is the one they made.  9 Us little guys at the bottom have no say in policy ... ;)-  F And we don't expect any performance increase with COM, just with the CF module in the program. Like it or not, C compiles to cleaner code withA less overhead even if it is slightly less safe to use. The COM is-F somethign I am personally against because its bloated, complicated andE adds yet ANOTHER layer of processnig which of course adds complexity,  unsafeness, etc.  < As for PL/I I guess I have been born and bred on C and otherE procedural or object-oriented languages. But I have heard and read inD@ textbooks that PL/I tries to do TOO many things and consequently@ doesn't do anything EXTREMLY well. I am sure this point could beF debated until we all turn blue in the face though. Language preference- is as relative a thing as there is I suppose.i  F AS for typing, IIRC PL/I has no explicit casting measures, and you canA assign just about any data type to abnother quite happily and theiE compiler might chuck out a warning at you but nothing more. I thought A this was indicative of a weakly typed language? Correct me If i'm  wrong however.  d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEOJFDAA.tom@kednos.com>...I > Actually, you can make direct calls to sql using known data structures,5N > the names escape me now (was it sqlca?), it has been some years, but I built > a sql preprocessorJ > for our PL/I compiler that runs on Tru64 and IBM provides same for their > compilers,8 > and Oracle used to provide a sql preprocessor as well. > 0 > Don't expect any performance with COM modules. > M > As for typing PL/I is known as a strongly typed languge, C as weakly typed.v >  > >-----Original Message-----o6 > >From: Jeffrey Cameron [mailto:bubbapig@hotmail.com]& > >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:23 PM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 > >Subject: Re: Yet another PL/I <-> C question :-)g > >  > >l > >Hey Tom,t > >i> > >Thanks for the advice about the signalling, I had to put an > >  > >on storage begin; > >  > >end;s > >hF > >block AFTER my C/C++ code to re-catch the signal and it seems to beF > >working fine. I dont call any explicit signalling in my code (using# > >either signal() or lib$signal())0 > >5 > >1E > >And for the upteenth time, I have no choice here! The program I am H > >working on is a custom made matrix manipulation program developed forA > >working with large sparse matrices. It consists of about 40-50yB > >modules, most of which do some complicated matrix math, and allI > >written in PL/I or FORTRAN. My project (which I only had 6 months for)MH > >was to re-write the modules which read/write the matrix files to diskF > >for two reasons: 1. We dont have a lot of PL/I experience left, theE > >two people who know it well will be retiring soon and most schoolsiI > >dont teach it anymore and 2. We want to turn those portions into a COMUG > >module that can talk with a SQL server database, i.e. read and write I > >the data to SQL server. Something which PL/I in all its glory cant do.  > >nD > >Not too mention the fact that my C++ code is running about 10-20%I > >faster then the bloated code PL/I produces (i had to get a little shot  > >in at PL/I! ;-) ) > >.@ > >I appreciate that PL/I produces shorter programs but i am notD > >altogether convinced it produces better programs, its very weaklyI > >typed and lends itself to soem pretty unreadable programs sometimes. AmD > >language which was meant to do everything does nothing well so to > >speak :)t > > 6 > >*hunkers down and waits for the inevitable flaming* > >o0 > >Thanks very much for your advice again though > >v > >o > >c1 > >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in messager8 > >news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIMELAFDAA.tom@kednos.com>...  > >> >-----Original Message-----9 > >> >From: Jeffrey Cameron [mailto:bubbapig@hotmail.com]-) > >> >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:08 AMw > >> >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt2 > >> >Subject: Yet another PL/I <-> C question :-) > >> > > >> >L > >> >I think I just about have the folds ironed out of my program right nowB > >> >but one thing has popped up which I hvae trouble finding any > >> >literature on. > >> >K > >> >The PL/I program for which I am writing a C module to replace certain7G > >> >aspects has in a particular procedure an on error statement which.L > >> >catches, among other things, the pli$storage condition. This of courseH > >> >is triggered when an allocate statement blows up for one reason orH > >> >another. In this particular case it appears as though it is out ofK > >> >virtual memory (although I have no idea how to look for the secondary J > >> >error condition to make sure) as we work with very large matrices in
 > >> >memory.n > >> >F > >> >Anyway in the original program with a particular matrix an allocK > >> >statment fails and the on error statement is triggered and produces abF > >> >nice little error message which is safely handled and allows theH > >> >program to continue, telling the user to try and display a smallerK > >> >slice. The problem arises when I plug my C++ module into the program.iK > >> >It and the module it replaces both allocate(d) memory for a matrix (aiH > >> >compact version). This works fine and dandy, the program then goesJ > >> >back to the PL/I code where it tries to allocate another large chunkI > >> >of memory and here is where the program fails. The difference beingvC > >> >that the version with the C module exits with the PLI-STORAGElI > >> >condition (apparently missing the on error handler for some reason)a= > >> >and the PL/I version exits nicely by using the handler.. > >>J > >> The problem may be with the way  the C++ code interacts with signals.J > >> before returning control to the PL/I program, you may have to restoreG > >> the signal state to what the PL/I program had set up.  That is thewN > >> advantage of working in a high-level language, you don't have to reinvent! > >> the wheel with each program.r > >>C > >> But it sounds to me that you are fixing things that you broke,  >  that weren'to > >> broken. > >> > >> >F > >> >Why would the version with the C module not trigger the on errorJ > >> >handler present in the PL/I module, especially since it is PL/I codeA > >> >(executing AFTER the C code has finished) that triggers the-2 > >> >pli$storage condition in the first place!!?? > >> > > >> >Help!! > >> >	 > >> >--- , > >> >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.@ > >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).E > >> >Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/2002  > >> > > >> ---+ > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.h? > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).eD > >> Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 6/5/2002 > >l > >---) > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. = > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).uC > >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002r > >a > ---r( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.347 ************************