1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 29 Jun 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 354       Contents:; Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA ) Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall - Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall G Re: BACKUP/INCREMENTAL not parsing directories properly during restores & Re: Capellas resigns from Dynegy board& Re: Capellas resigns from Dynegy board& Re: Capellas resigns from Dynegy board Re: DCL Backup Script  Re: DCL Backup Script @ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC@ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC@ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC@ Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC  Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...$ Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...( Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone?( Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone?( Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone?( Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone?J Re: Moving Alpha system disks (Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..$ Mozilla and the mysterious downloads( Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloads( Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloads( Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloads, Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..., Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..., Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..., Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..., Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..., Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ... Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing  Re: New VMS Marketing ' Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 - system lockups  Re: parsing >255% Question about AUTOGEN and ACP params " Re: Sun benchmarketeering campaign% Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.2 % Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.2 % Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.2 % Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.2 $ TELNET service startup file missing?( Re: TELNET service startup file missing? Re: when is a typo not a typo? Re: when is a typo not a typo? Re: Xwindows: XDM mode Re: Xwindows: XDM mode Re: Xwindows: XDM mode Re: Xwindows: XDM mode Re: Xwindows: XDM mode Re: Xwindows: XDM mode  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:45:06 GMT 4 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com>D Subject: Re: A possible shift in the status of VMS ar HP ???? ERRATA@ Message-ID: <CN4T8.300$uT4.166@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  K The columnist was Carl Rowan, he frequenty wrote Washington Post editorials L calling for strict gun control.  I was living in the Washington area when heK shot an intruder, an no he was never charged despite the strict gun laws in  D.C.     following quoted from:? http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/quotes/repeal.html   K "We must reverse this psychology (of needing guns for home defense). WE can L do it by passing a law that says anyone found in possession a handgun except5 a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail-period!"   ? -- Carl Rowan, Washington DC Syndicated Columnist, 1981 article     J " ... as long as authorities leave this society awash in drugs and guns, I will protect my family."C -- Carl Rowan, 1988 article titled "At Least They're Not Writing My 	 Obituary"     E See http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/leaflets/rowan.html for what I * consider an objective history of incident.     --   Andy Bustamante ( remove the ascii-95's to reply by e-mail> Gun control :== "you're sighted in and can hold a tight group"    5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message < news:doxS8.143866$_j6.7979561@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > 7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ( > news:3D1A32BF.1000701@tsoft-inc.com... >  > ...  > J > > One would think that starting such a war would be a real risk for you. If > you I > > practice what you appear to preach, then you won't have any guns, and  > those K > > you'd be at war with would.  Rather precarious situation for you, don't  > you think? > > J > > One of the stories that I really liked was the Washington DC newspaper > columnist J > > who was pro gun control.  Right up til the time someone broke into his
 > house orE > > some such and he broke out HIS gun and shot the guy.  See, HE was  allowed  > toJ > > have a gun, but nobody else had the same choice, at least as far as he was  > > concerned. > L > Do you have any evidence whatsoever that either John and the columnist youJ > refer to believe that nobody should be allowed to have a gun, or is thisH > just the paranoid extreme gun nuts seem prone to jump to whenever they hear > the phrase 'gun control'?  >  > - bill >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:57:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall, Message-ID: <3D1CBF9E.4831E676@videotron.ca>  N If I want anyone on the internet to open an X-window on my VMS workstation (orI MAC running an X server), which TCPIP ports must I enable on the router ?   H All I could find is port 177 which the the xdmcp, the X Displaty Manager Control Protocol.   N Also, in the TCPIP stack (TCPIP services 5.0), do I need to setup a service to enable this feature ?   N And from a security point of view, what types of vulnerabilities does it cause4 if if some hacker opens a window on my workstation ?  K -Would the hacker then have access to the clipboard (cut/paste) ? What else  would he have access to ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:21:27 +0200 . From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall< Message-ID: <3d1cc491$0$1532$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3D1CBF9E.4831E676@videotron.ca...L > If I want anyone on the internet to open an X-window on my VMS workstation (or K > MAC running an X server), which TCPIP ports must I enable on the router ?   J The X-server in general listens on port 6000 (for server 0, server 1 if it exists is on 6001 etc).    > J > All I could find is port 177 which the the xdmcp, the X Displaty Manager > Control Protocol.  > E > Also, in the TCPIP stack (TCPIP services 5.0), do I need to setup a 
 service to > enable this feature ?   J You will of course need to ensure, that TCPIP is included in DECW$SERVER's listD of enabled transports. On VMS, the easiest way to find out is to say       $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE   ; and checking, that someone is listening on local port 6000.  > J > And from a security point of view, what types of vulnerabilities does it cause 6 > if if some hacker opens a window on my workstation ? > C > -Would the hacker then have access to the clipboard (cut/paste) ?    I think yes!  	 What else  > would he have access to ?   F Very good question, which is the reason why you probably, if possible,! should configure your firewall to : only accept X-connections to port 6000 from trusted hosts.       Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:57:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall, Message-ID: <3D1CCDBB.C13766EC@videotron.ca>   Jesper Naur wrote:L > You will of course need to ensure, that TCPIP is included in DECW$SERVER's > listF > of enabled transports. On VMS, the easiest way to find out is to say >  >     $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE  > = > and checking, that someone is listening on local port 6000.   L Sorry for the newbie question, but if it isn't listening to port 6000, whichM file/utility must I update so the the DECW$SERVER will listen in to port 6000  on a VAX-VMS workstation ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:37:49 -0400 6 From: "John.Malmberg" <Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall4 Message-ID: <3D1CC91D.1080504@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq>   JF Mezei wrote: A  > If I want anyone on the internet to open an X-window on my VMS E  > workstation (or MAC running an X server), which TCPIP ports must I   > enable on the router ?   E I am not sure of all of them, but 6000 is the default for the Server.   C  > All I could find is port 177 which the the xdmcp, the X Displaty   > Manager Control Protocol.  F XDM is not required to launch remote sessions on your system.  In the H [DECW] directory of the OpenVMS Freeware 5.0 CD-ROM, there are some DCL G command files that can be invoked either from RSH, REXEC, or as DECNET   objects.  F They are also SESSION_MANAGER/FILEVIEW aware, and SESSION_MANAGER willD cache passwords for automatic logins, if you are not using a proxied environment.  D All the client needs to be able to do is use RSH or REXEC command toE invoke them.  Optional data can be passed, otherwise they will assume ? that the client making the request wants them to display on it.   G If you put shell scripts on a UNIX system with so that they are invoked H by the same command names used by the DCL command files, then you shouldE be able to launch UNIX applications directly from an OpenVMS Session  
 Manager menu.   F  > Also, in the TCPIP stack (TCPIP services 5.0), do I need to setup a#  > service to enable this feature ?   C I do not know about 5.0, but XDM is in the 5.3 documentation at the ' http://www.openvms.compaq.com web site.   C  > And from a security point of view, what types of vulnerabilities E  > does it cause if if some hacker opens a window on my workstation ?   < Depending on their skill, and the security settings you have implemented, it varies.   D  > -Would the hacker then have access to the clipboard (cut/paste) ?&  > What else would he have access to ?  G The hacker has access to your keyboard, mouse, as input devices to them H and your screen as an output device, if your X-Server will allow them to connect as a client.  D I have not done extensive research on this, but there apparently are some real risks.   -John ! Malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:01:57 -0400 + From: Michael Corbett <corbett@PROCESS.COM> 6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall* Message-ID: <3D1CCEC5.7000108@PROCESS.COM>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Jesper Naur wrote: > L >>You will of course need to ensure, that TCPIP is included in DECW$SERVER's >>listF >>of enabled transports. On VMS, the easiest way to find out is to say >> >>    $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE  >>= >>and checking, that someone is listening on local port 6000.  >> > N > Sorry for the newbie question, but if it isn't listening to port 6000, whichO > file/utility must I update so the the DECW$SERVER will listen in to port 6000  > on a VAX-VMS workstation ? >   G DECW$STARTUP.COM checks for the logical decw$install_tcpip and if it is H there opens the listening connection.  I thought TCP/IP services definedD that during startup but I'd have to reboot my system and start it upE to test that.  You should be able to define that logical and start or < restart DECwindows and have it start listening on that port.  8 This is on VMS 7.x on some earlier versions you can edit? SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM and add TCIPIP to the > decw$server_transports symbol that gets set up.  For exmaple -  ? $ ! Here are some example setup options that are commented out:  $ ! " $ ! decw$server_density == 100,100 $ ! decw$color == "F"  $ ! decw$bitonal == "T"  $ ! decw$device == "GAA0,GAB0"- $ ! decw$default_keyboard_map == "US_LK401AA" 0 $ decw$server_transports == "DECNET,LOCAL,TCPIP"" $ ! decw$server_connect_log == "T"   regards  Mike     --  K +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ D Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software                          Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:38:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall, Message-ID: <3D1CD751.AB573D82@videotron.ca>   Michael Corbett wrote:I > DECW$STARTUP.COM checks for the logical decw$install_tcpip and if it is J > there opens the listening connection.  I thought TCP/IP services definedF > that during startup but I'd have to reboot my system and start it up > to test that.   J Thanks for the pointer. I  start TCPIP in batch and it probably runs afterI DECwindows has begun to start, so I may have to rethink my startup. But i / least I know where to look now to get it going.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:34:41 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall, Message-ID: <3D1C7401.42D66546@Mvb.Saic.Com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > P > If I want anyone on the internet to open an X-window on my VMS workstation (orK > MAC running an X server), which TCPIP ports must I enable on the router ?   D TCP port 6000 is the default for Server 0, Screen 0.  Increment fromA 6000 for differing values of Server or Screen.  The amount of the  increment depends on? what is supported by the server.  For a VAX workstation, or any E MAC-based X server I've used, 6000 is the only port you need to worry  about.   > J > All I could find is port 177 which the the xdmcp, the X Displaty Manager > Control Protocol.   F XDM would not be used in this case.  XDM is used by an X-Window serverE to connect to an X-Window client (remember that client and server are H reversed from their traditional roles in the X-Window world - the serverF is the X-Window display (your workstation in this case), the client isA the program that will generate the X-Window commands which can be E running anywhere).  Since you are asking about a client connecting to   your server, XDM does not apply.   > P > Also, in the TCPIP stack (TCPIP services 5.0), do I need to setup a service to > enable this feature ?   F No, if TCPIP connections have been configured in your X-Window server,D it will be listening itself.  Such connections are not launched as aG separate service by the TCPIP stack.  To cause the DECWindows server to ) use TCPIP as a transport you need to edit C SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM as documented within that H file, or, alternatively, have the logical DECW$INSTALL_TCPIP set to trueH at the time the DECW server is started.  Note that this means that TCPIP2 must be running before the DECW server is started.   > P > And from a security point of view, what types of vulnerabilities does it cause6 > if if some hacker opens a window on my workstation ?  D Complete control of your X-Window server (not the host the server isE running on but the server itself).  Anyone with a window open to your D server, even if the window is not visible, can seize control of yourE mouse, your keyboard, etc. and cause events to happen as if keys were & being pressed, the mouse clicked, etc.  B From there, you can see how one could effectively do anything they" wanted on your workstation, right?   > H > -Would the hacker then have access to the clipboard (cut/paste) ? Yes.  % > What else would he have access to ?   H No direct access to anything beyond the X-Window server.  However, sinceG just about everything else on your workstation is available to programs > that use X-Windows, the rest of the system is also pretty much available, as well.   < For example, if I established an X-Window connection to yourE workstation, I would be able to list all windows you had open, find a E DECterm, simulate keystrokes in that DECterm, and issue any command I  desired.    
 Mark Berryman  Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 2002 21:47:21 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren)6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall0 Message-ID: <afilh9$a65$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  , In article <3D1CBF9E.4831E676@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:gO >If I want anyone on the internet to open an X-window on my VMS workstation (or J >MAC running an X server), which TCPIP ports must I enable on the router ? >hI >All I could find is port 177 which the the xdmcp, the X Displaty Manageri >Control Protocol. >PO >Also, in the TCPIP stack (TCPIP services 5.0), do I need to setup a service too >enable this feature ? >fO >And from a security point of view, what types of vulnerabilities does it causeo5 >if if some hacker opens a window on my workstation ?S >pL >-Would the hacker then have access to the clipboard (cut/paste) ? What else >would he have access to ?  @ Firstly, I last used VMS back when the MicroVAX was New and All.* But I have worked fairly extensively on X.  = X applications need ports 6000 and up - I once knew which endo> allocated them, but I have forgotten.  xdmcp is irrelevant, as1 other people have said.  But typically 6000-6999.n  A John Malmberg is correct.  Any X client (i.e. X application) withPC access to your X Terminal can do anything.  If you read some of the?D nonsense produced by the X believes (thankfully no longer a dominant> religion), you will see a lot of claims about the isolation ofA windows, security and all that.  My response is obscene.  I had aeB very clued-up colleague who claimed that even the security aspectsC that my experiments showed to work were unreliable if you generatednD your own X protocol (i.e. the security is in Xlib).  X documentation< bears as much relationship to actuality as you would expect.  = Now, what does "anything" mean?  Well, it definitely includeshA reading anything that you type into any window, whether reflected @ or not, and reading all button presses.  And reading all output.> And (this is where my colleague reckoned there were loopholes)? putting input into any window on your screen, displayed or not,r> and whether keyboard input or mouse operations.  Yes, I really! DO mean hijacking another window.U  C And be VERY careful of xdm.  When I investigated it (about a decadepC ago now), I could break into your X session on many implementations @ within a few minutes.  Given login access to the same system (toA see when you logged in), that was 90% of implementations.  Thingso have improved, a little.  > In terms of security, X sucks, big time.  This is a case where? English lacks the appropriate vulgarity, and I have to use USA!0     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:06:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall, Message-ID: <3D1D0802.C8EC970F@videotron.ca>   Nick Maclaren wrote:C > John Malmberg is correct.  Any X client (i.e. X application) withe- > access to your X Terminal can do anything. (  I But the remote X client does have access to the file system of the systemaN displaying the window ?  When I do a FILE OPEN in the application, it gives me+ file system of the remote X client, right ?o  K Does the remote X client have the ability to somehow execute commands on mye0 system ? (eg: DELETE $DISK1:[000000...]*.*;* ) ?  ? > Now, what does "anything" mean?  Well, it definitely includes'C > reading anything that you type into any window, whether reflectedaB > or not, and reading all button presses.  And reading all output.  N 1- Would a remote X client be able to read information typed into windows that doesn't belong to it ?  M You mention "reading all output". But the remote X client wouldn't be reading>. the output, it would be generating it, right ?      @ > And (this is where my colleague reckoned there were loopholes)A > putting input into any window on your screen, displayed or not, @ > and whether keyboard input or mouse operations.  Yes, I really# > DO mean hijacking another window.   L So, a remote X client on a unix system would be able to pop open a window onN my VMS machine that displays the time, and covertly then send keystrokes to myN decterm window giving me a VMS prompt and extract the output from that decterm window ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:03:08 -0400o  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>6 Subject: Re: Allowing X-windows through TCPIP firewall4 Message-ID: <1020628214400.453A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, JF Mezei wrote:   > Jesper Naur wrote:N > > You will of course need to ensure, that TCPIP is included in DECW$SERVER's > > listH > > of enabled transports. On VMS, the easiest way to find out is to say > >  > >     $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICEu > > ? > > and checking, that someone is listening on local port 6000.t > N > Sorry for the newbie question, but if it isn't listening to port 6000, whichO > file/utility must I update so the the DECW$SERVER will listen in to port 6000j > on a VAX-VMS workstation ?  E I think all you need to do is include TCPIP in the list of transportsnB defined in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM.  The list is5 the value for the symbol decw$server_transports, e.g.e  2   $ decw$server_transports == "LOCAL,DECNET,TCPIP"  ? and when the X server starts (which is automatic when you're on ; a system with a graphics adapater, unless you've explicitlye3 disabled it), it will start listening on port 6000.a  8 I've not seen documentation for X's port usage, but from: experimentation, it looks like the port # is 6000 plus the= server number.  This is for systems with more than one serverp< (sets of display and input hardware.)  6000 is for server 0, 6001 for server 1, etc.e  = I've never configured a system with more than one server, buta< I believe if you have 2 graphics cards and monitors, you can; configure each as a separate server, so two people can workw? independently at the same time (you also need a second keyboards= and mouse.)  Or, you can configure it as a single server withe= 2 screens, giving a single user more display space.  (We have 8 some PCs configured this way.)  I don't know if multiple> servers on one system is actually supported on VMS... It might= require Fred's latest hacks to the USB driver to even make it > possible to have more than one keyboard and mouse...  Or maybe@ you can just plug a VTxxx terminal into one of the TT: ports and@ use its keyboard as the input device for a non-console X server?  > I think this scheme was devised before it was obvious that the< easiest way to put a graphics terminal on everyone's desktop> was to give each user their own computer and tie them together with Ethernet.   -- g John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2002 13:25:43 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)P Subject: Re: BACKUP/INCREMENTAL not parsing directories properly during restores< Message-ID: <343f30ae.0206281225.4bf93fa@posting.google.com>  s SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<343f30ae.0206271130.3bc3502a@posting.google.com>...p > CORRECTION BELOW!r > u > SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) wrote in message news:<343f30ae.0206261138.1179f251@posting.google.com>...2 [SNIP]	 >  [SNIP]r [SNIP] >iH > CORRECTION: Reverse chronological order is most efficient because whenE > you restore from the latest incremental first, it adjusts the filesNE > listed in the .DIR files to their final forms. Subsequent BACK/INCR E > operations using the next oldest tape check the .DIR files and skipwG > restoring files that are not listed there because the older tapes areiG > based on out-of-date directories. (BACKUP/INCR knows to do this basedeH > on the backup dates of the .DIR files: BACKUP/INCR compares the backupH > date of the current tape with the backup date of the .DIR file that isG > being restored to and then goes by the one that is more recent.) When0G > you run the tapes in the opposite order, the newer tape is run second>D > and has to delete any files that were restored from the older saveD > set, but deleted between the save operations that produced those 2H > save sets and add files and their directory entries for any files that > are in the newer save set. > F > That is why reverse chronological order is most efficient. But it isD > not necessary for a successful final outcome. You are more likely,E > however, when not using reverse chronological order, to fill up therC > disk since restoration from the intermediate incrementals may add H > files that would need to be deleted by restoration of files from laterG > tapes. I believe that if you fill up the disk, you can just rerun theC; > incremental(s) as needed and eventually all will be well.I    F Actually, I think using reverse chronological order also means that if? the disk does fill up, it'll only be from the first incrementalnF restore operation, in which case rerunning it would probably fix it ifF were simply repeated. This is because, assuming the latest save set isC being restored, BACK/INCR adds "no such file" directory entries forrC files that were still present on the disk at the time of the latestmF incremental save operation, but are not in the latest save set because' they were not modified recently enough.e  D And BACK/INCR, when applying the older incrementals, only restores aD file if there is a "no such file" directory entry for that file, and= these entries come from the first, newest incremental restorenC operation. This means no further files need to be deleted after theeD first incremental is completely finished (the first might have to be@ rerun, i.e.); files only need be added from the older save sets.  D I never filled up disks with BACK/INCR, but this is what I'd expect.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmana afeldman gfigroup coma0 "It'll work fine until the next time it breaks."   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2002 15:36:38 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)v/ Subject: Re: Capellas resigns from Dynegy board 3 Message-ID: <9605FDBplQPX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ; When I first read the subject I only saw "Capellas resigns"m= and rejoiced!  CPQ always stood for "Capellas Please Quit" to- me.  -  m In article <HGYS8.13157$2er.1896@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes::C > Maybe he can be convinced to resign from the board of HP too. ;-). >  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3D19F343.5DF4CF2E@videotron.ca...H >> Interesting on how, as CEO and president of Compaq, he had time to do > this,sM >> but now, as a mere civil servant within HP, he doesn't... My guess is thati > heM >> doesn't want to be associated with those Houston energy firms. It is a badeI >> omen though because I would have prefered for him to keep that job and  > leave 	 >> HP :-)W >> >>= >> Dynegy Says Hewlett-Packard's Capellas Resigned From Board  >> >>   6/25/02 9:08am  >>M >>   WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- Dynegy Inc. (DYN) said that Hewlett-Packard Co.i >> (HPQ) PresidentJ >>   Michael Capellas told it June 18 that he was resigning from its board >> effective immediately.  >>G >>   According to an 8-K filed Tuesday with the Securities and Exchangea >> Commission, Capellasg> >>   resigned "in light of the demands on his time and his new > responsibilities >> at Hewlett-Packard."E >>L >>   Dynegy said that Capellas' resignation wasn't based on any disagreement >> between it and  >>   Capellas. >>F >>   Capellas, formerly the chief executive at Compaq Computer, become > president of: >>   Hewlett-Packard when the two companies merged in May. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:09:29 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>_/ Subject: Re: Capellas resigns from Dynegy board-, Message-ID: <3D1CD07D.5583E310@videotron.ca>   Marty Kuhrt wrote: > = > When I first read the subject I only saw "Capellas resigns"o? > and rejoiced!  CPQ always stood for "Capellas Please Quit" to2 > me.3  L This guy just doesn't seem to be "board member" material to me. Just look atM his pictures that seem to be taken from a shopping mall picture booth whereas-H Carly's pictures were definitely taken by a professional photograph in a serious session.  L Frankly, I don't care whether is stays at Compaq or not, since Carly and himF share so many philosophies, and folks like winkler are still there, itK woudln't really make a difference if capellas stayed. My expectations of HP : with regards to VMS are next to nil. I have given up hope.  N Having said this, when Compaq took over Digital, initially, Palmer was to stayJ in some role, but that , of course, quickly changed and he left. I sort ofN expected the same to happen to Capellas, but his resignation from Dinegy seems* to indicate that he intends to stay at HP.  J Had Capellas intended to leave HP, he probably would have kept those otherA jobs that give him stature, limos, fancy lunches and other perks.R  N Perhaps Capellas has realised that he was lucky that nobody wanted the job andA Compaq and that a lowly accountant was given the chance to becometN president/CEO. He probably knows that he just doesn't have what it takes to beN a CEO or even president and that if he quits HP, he won't be able to find jobsG that are so high profile and may have to return to being some invisible L accountant in some firm. So he is going to hold on to his job hopefully longJ enough for him to become competent enough to find a similar job elsewhere.  I Personally, folks like Palmer and Capellas whose major accomplishement istN voluntarily killing a company should be shot. I hold them with less admirationJ than the likes of Kenn Lay whose goals were not to destroy a compamy, just. make it appear much bigger than it really was.  O Palmer and Capellas are to a murderer what Kenn Lay is to a simple bank robber.v   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:41:13 GMTs1 From: "Atlant G. Schmidt" <atlant@you.know.where>n/ Subject: Re: Capellas resigns from Dynegy boardr- Message-ID: <3D1D1032.1050208@you.know.where>r  5 And today, Dynegy was downgraded to junk bond status.k& Sounds like typical Curly performance.  | http://www.newsday.com/business/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-dynegy-downgrade0628jun28.story?coll=sns%2Dap%2Dbusiness%2Dheadlines   Atlant   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2002 13:01:38 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: DCL Backup Script< Message-ID: <343f30ae.0206281201.462e62d@posting.google.com>  m robert_kersey@bat.com (Rob Kersey) wrote in message news:<f936a854.0206280317.62e04c73@posting.google.com>... E > I have written the following .com file that is desinged to backup anD > .log file that is continually being accessed and then opened in an > editor to be read. > F > It seems that I can't pass in a symbol as the file name to be backed > up!i > C > Below is a copy of the DCL .com file. P1 is the name of a process  > being passed in. >  > $ LOG = ".LOG" > $! Set up environment ...u* > $! Disable interupts and error commands. > $  set nocontrol=yR > $  define TEMPLOG DEVDISK:[BATDEV.STAGE2.VAX.DEV.RKERSEY.MHS_ADMIN_SCREENS.LOGS] > $!                         > $! Start of command file.e	 > $START:o% > $! Clear page for operator screens.d > $  TYPE/PAGE NL: > $!5 > $!Get location of log file from parameter passed inl > $GETLOCATION:e > $ PID = F$PID(CONTEXT)" > $ NAME = F$GETJPI(PID, "PRCNAM")( > $ LOCATION = F$GETJPI(PID, "IMAGNAME") > $ IF P1 .EQS. NAME   > $!Extract the files location" > $     THEN LENGTH = F$LENGTH(P1)! > $          FILEPATH = F$EXTRACTo, > (F$LOCATE("]",LOCATION)+1,LENGTH,LOCATION)" > $          LOGS = FILEPATH + LOG     UseX  G     $ FILENAME = F$PARSE(LOCATION,,,"NAME")   ! Extract name from imagesE     $ LOGS = F$PARSE(".LOG;*",FILENAME)         ! Append .LOG to namen  / to form the file-spec. This way is more robust.     ; > $          BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK LOGS TEMP.BCK /SAV/LOG     2 Like another poster said, replace LOGS with 'LOGS'   [SNIP]   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanw afeldman gfigroup coml   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:45:24 GMTE1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t Subject: Re: DCL Backup Script' Message-ID: <3D1D1540.2F009706@fsi.net>n   Rob Kersey wrote:t > E > I have written the following .com file that is desinged to backup a D > .log file that is continually being accessed and then opened in an > editor to be read. > F > It seems that I can't pass in a symbol as the file name to be backed > up!s > C > Below is a copy of the DCL .com file. P1 is the name of a processt > being passed in. >  > $ LOG = ".LOG" > $! Set up environment ...k* > $! Disable interupts and error commands. > $  set nocontrol=yR > $  define TEMPLOG DEVDISK:[BATDEV.STAGE2.VAX.DEV.RKERSEY.MHS_ADMIN_SCREENS.LOGS] > $! > $! Start of command file.n	 > $START:A% > $! Clear page for operator screens.a > $  TYPE/PAGE NL: > $!5 > $!Get location of log file from parameter passed inc > $GETLOCATION:  > $ PID = F$PID(CONTEXT)" > $ NAME = F$GETJPI(PID, "PRCNAM")( > $ LOCATION = F$GETJPI(PID, "IMAGNAME") > $ IF P1 .EQS. NAME > $!Extract the files location" > $     THEN LENGTH = F$LENGTH(P1)! > $          FILEPATH = F$EXTRACTa, > (F$LOCATE("]",LOCATION)+1,LENGTH,LOCATION)" > $          LOGS = FILEPATH + LOG; > $          BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK LOGS TEMP.BCK /SAV/LOGo  G As others have pointed out, you need to use either 'LOGS' or &LOGS. "&"eB is kinda funny and very few people use it, but it can work in many" cases. Just depends what you need.  . > $          WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "SYMBOL ''LOGS'" > $     ELSE GOTO GETLOCATION) > $d	 > $ ENDIFn  F On your IF-THEN-ELSE-ENDIF block, I still consider it bad form to GOTOE out of an IF block even though DCL handles it much better now than itgH did in pre-V6.2 times. Also, I usually recommend that THEN and ELSE each  appear on a line by themselves.   @ See: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclintro/sld024.htm thru 5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/dclintro/sld027.htmp  G However, you don't really need the looping construct. On a large systeml@ with many processes, it might slow you down noticeably. See HELP= LEXICALS F$CONTEXT(). You may find the examples quite useful.    > $n > $VIEWLOG:s  > $ DEFINE SYS$INPUT SYS$COMMAND' > $ BACKUP TEMP.BCK/SAV []TEMP.LOG /LOGt > $ EDIT TEMPLOG:TEMP.LOGn  H The restore points to your current directory, but the EDIT points to theF device/path indicated by the logical name TEMPLOG:. This "feature" mayF cause problems unless your current default is the same as that path. IH didn't see a SET DEFAULT anywhere, and I didn't want to assume that this% was the same as your current default.d   > $ WAIT 00:00:02  > $ PURGE TEMPLOG:*.LOGe > $ WAIT 00:00:021 > $ EXIT   -- 3 David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:24:43 -0400C- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>oI Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSCt, Message-ID: <3D1CB7F5.70B0A39F@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:# >         Not just RZ23 by the way.t > L >         Sure... did you know they also make excellent refrigerator magnetsP >         as the kid's drawings get larger and unwieldy?  Excellent conversationN >         topic is to have a friend come along and challenge them to lift (notM >         slide) the magnet off the refrigerator.  Several pinched fingers iny >         the process.  K I have dismantled a few drives, including 4 RA82s, and I don't recall seing  magnets in them.  J (OK, the RA84 arm actuator is a hefty coil which will produce mosuc if youK plug it into your stereo and pump up the volume) but I have not seen actualgK magnets in disk drives. Can anyone enlighten me on this, or is my lef beingu2 pulled big time and I am too stupid to notice it ?   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2002 14:38:58 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) I Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSCa3 Message-ID: <kO1htsmf3JGL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3D1CB7F5.70B0A39F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:$ >>         Not just RZ23 by the way. >> eM >>         Sure... did you know they also make excellent refrigerator magnets-Q >>         as the kid's drawings get larger and unwieldy?  Excellent conversationHO >>         topic is to have a friend come along and challenge them to lift (not1N >>         slide) the magnet off the refrigerator.  Several pinched fingers in >>         the process.  > M > I have dismantled a few drives, including 4 RA82s, and I don't recall seingi > magnets in them. > L > (OK, the RA84 arm actuator is a hefty coil which will produce mosuc if youM > plug it into your stereo and pump up the volume) but I have not seen actual0M > magnets in disk drives. Can anyone enlighten me on this, or is my lef being,4 > pulled big time and I am too stupid to notice it ?  = 	No.  Very serious.  The more modern smaller drives have very = 	powerful magnets to whip that actuator arm around.  I'm surea; 	someone here can provide techie details.  10 second googleM- 	on "powerful magnets hard drive" lands this:e  ! http://www.7volts.com/magnets.htmr  K There are some extremely strong magnets in a hard disk drive. If you have asI disk drive that is useless, either because it is nonfunctional or uselesseN because of low capacity, it's easy to remove the magnets before discarding theN drive. The larger and older the disk drive, in general, the larger the magnetsL inside. The magnets are among the most powerful available for their size and> are strong enough to give a nasty pinch if you aren't careful.  @ 	I did not take the extra step to totally dismantle the magnets.9 	I left them bundled as some of the middle pictures show. F                                                                        				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:09:37 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>sI Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSC , Message-ID: <3D1CC278.F8733CC8@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:F >         No.  Very serious.  The more modern smaller drives have veryF >         powerful magnets to whip that actuator arm around.  I'm sureD >         someone here can provide techie details.  10 second google6 >         on "powerful magnets hard drive" lands this:  N Thanks. At first, I though this was a joke. Powerful magnets and magnetic diskL drives generatlly don't go together very well :-) :-) But you are right, the arm actuator does have magnets.g  L Just check one of my 2 "spare" RA82 arms actuators (you need two if you wantJ stereo music to come out of magnetic disk arm actuators :-) and there is aG large ceramic magnet inside, although from the outside, it doesn't seemKG powerful at all since it is shielded by so much anti-nuclear shielding.s  J Those RA82s were most certaintly built without any effort to save on metalL shielding :-) Just wish they had used quieter fans. last week, I installed aI RA82 fan in a refrigirator at cottage while I took the original fan to beCI replaced. I have also used the allen screws from RA82s on my bike for theg racks/panniers etc.2   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 2002 20:04:05 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)sI Subject: Re: Deutsche Bank would like to outsource there IT to IBM or CSCi, Message-ID: <afiffl$2sl2$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <3D1CB7F5.70B0A39F@videotron.ca>,0  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: |> Rob Young wrote: & |> >         Not just RZ23 by the way. |> > aO |> >         Sure... did you know they also make excellent refrigerator magnetstS |> >         as the kid's drawings get larger and unwieldy?  Excellent conversationaQ |> >         topic is to have a friend come along and challenge them to lift (noteP |> >         slide) the magnet off the refrigerator.  Several pinched fingers in |> >         the process.e |> eN |> I have dismantled a few drives, including 4 RA82s, and I don't recall seing |> magnets in them.e |> tM |> (OK, the RA84 arm actuator is a hefty coil which will produce mosuc if you N |> plug it into your stereo and pump up the volume) but I have not seen actualN |> magnets in disk drives. Can anyone enlighten me on this, or is my lef being5 |> pulled big time and I am too stupid to notice it ?   D I once stripped a big CDC drive (It was way to heavy to throw in theC dumpster in one piece.)  I expect the magnet that stuck to the sidetC of the dumpster when I threw it in will never be able to be removed A again.   I know it was still there more than a month later.  The yG dumpster was then relocated and I don't know where it might be now. :-)l   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:57:25 GMTo1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com> ) Subject: Fearless IPF Prognostications...e> Message-ID: <FJ6T8.183913$R61.63837@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  K Probability factor (er, likelihood) that VMS will boot on IPF in 1H02: 0.01e2 Likelihood that VMS will boot on IPF in 2H02: 0.99K Likelihood that SRI-supplied Alpha-->IPF VMS binary translator will supportn PL/1 apps: 0L Likelihood that VMS will end up being more portable (to other architectures) as a result of IPF port: 0.99e     -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows HPC " PLEASE NOTE MY *NEW* EMAIL ADDRESS email: terryshannon@attbi.com 4 Web (info on SKHPC):  www.openvms.org, www.tru64.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:08:23 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...8, Message-ID: <3D1D0886.C0C334D7@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:jN > Likelihood that VMS will end up being more portable (to other architectures) > as a result of IPF port: 0.99t  L From a technical pont of view, what will be changed inside of VMS to make it more portable ?l  F Or is the additional portability going to be the result of better codeM management (eg: the effort to make a common source code for alpha/IA64 makingb& it easier to then add new platforms) ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:59:54 GMTn1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> - Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...C' Message-ID: <3D1D18A7.833B0647@fsi.net>t   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > M > Probability factor (er, likelihood) that VMS will boot on IPF in 1H02: 0.01w4 > Likelihood that VMS will boot on IPF in 2H02: 0.99M > Likelihood that SRI-supplied Alpha-->IPF VMS binary translator will support> > PL/1 apps: 0N > Likelihood that VMS will end up being more portable (to other architectures) > as a result of IPF port: 0.99(  F I tend to agree, Terry, but since the industry is dominated by IA32, IG have to ask: since Alpha remains the only production 64-bit CPU besidesiD UltraSPARC and IBM's big iron, what does portability buy us? Are you@ thinking we might see VMS in an MVS virtual machine? ...on a Sun machine? ...other?   -- h David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:34:18 GMT 1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>o- Subject: Re: Fearless IPF Prognostications...c? Message-ID: <K09T8.219365$6m5.182026@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net>-  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D1D18A7.833B0647@fsi.net...t > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a > >iJ > > Probability factor (er, likelihood) that VMS will boot on IPF in 1H02: 0.016 > > Likelihood that VMS will boot on IPF in 2H02: 0.99G > > Likelihood that SRI-supplied Alpha-->IPF VMS binary translator willa supportt > > PL/1 apps: 0A > > Likelihood that VMS will end up being more portable (to othero architectures)! > > as a result of IPF port: 0.99p >gH > I tend to agree, Terry, but since the industry is dominated by IA32, II > have to ask: since Alpha remains the only production 64-bit CPU besidestF > UltraSPARC and IBM's big iron, what does portability buy us? Are youB > thinking we might see VMS in an MVS virtual machine? ...on a Sun > machine? ...other?  L I am unaware of any particular target beyond IPF, but POWERx is conceivable.  ! Status of the VMS on IPF port is:s  K No boot yet (I was a bit optimistic with date I submitted in the HPQ "Guessu The Boot Date" contest)l   OS Loader up and running   SMP - secondary CPU runninge  0 XDELTA and breakpoint ready for debugging on IPF  H Memory management will be moving into IPF boot environment for debugging
 Real Soon Nowb  L Much of the unchanged (e.g. VMS V7.3 on Alpha) code is now being compiled on IPFo  I Work is being done on Itanium I (hp i2000 workstation, ProLiant DL590/64)aJ boxes, Itanium and McKinley developers platforms. HP McKinley workstationsL should be added to the mix right after all and sundry in ZKOland return from their "holiday week."e  L Looks to me as if Alpha to IPF will be easier for customers than was the VAXK to Alpha transition. No code freezes, so Alpha and IPF VMS releases will beo built from the same source.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:48:44 +0200o) From: "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz>y1 Subject: Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone?lB Message-ID: <afii2p$a0n$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>   ........ !d9 RBLs:          spews.relays.osirusoft.com, bl.spamcop.neto !s  D "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> escribi en el mensaje, news:3D1BBE9F.F82C2614@firstdbasource.com... > Steven Thompson wrote: > >r > > Hi Lawrence- > >-G > > I tested RBL on my system since your first posting on this subject,h which Il > > hadn't done to now.jJ > > I added two entries to the RBL line in my smtp.config file and my mailJ > > "receive logs" are now nearly all "550 Closing transmissions channel".! > > Something which I rarely see.c > > To explain...wI > > I follow the SMTP of my system quite closely, even allowing a certaino laxity4 > > in the configuration "just to see what happens".J > > I  receive a fair quantity of junk on purpose which doesn't bother me. My6 > > server is for my own purposes, and for learning...J > > But I have added a protection in that if the system detects a suddenly large J > > quantity of files in the SMTP directory it closes down the SMTP queues ando! > > sends me a SMS on the mobile.i >.< > would you care to share your RBL list in your SMTP config? > --
 > Regards, >s8 > Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19849 > First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163a9 > Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.com1G >                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.html!1 > 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)d >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:55:42 +0200G) From: "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz> 1 Subject: Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone? B Message-ID: <afiifs$c14$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>   Hi Nic  J point taken, I only pay for DNS hosting, therefore my SMTP server receives everything first hand.    ; "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> escribi en el mensaje(# news:3D1C3056.94A3B946@127.0.0.1...E > Lawrence Bleau wrote:  > >iA > > If you are running TCPIP V5.1 (AXP) and you are using the RBLXJ > > (realtime blockhole list) feature, have you ever seen evidence that it
 > > works? > D > I don't quite fit into the parameters above, however I'm using RBL	 > checks.s > G > HOWEVER its not working. The reason is, my ISP caches all the mail onoF > their servers, and by the time it arrives on my box, they are coming > from a valid (ISP) server. >AH > (I have enquired about them using RBLs, but they choose not to at this > point) > B > However, I trace just about as much spam as I can using (mainly)J > samspade.org and having downloaded the tool, most of the SPAM I get does# > not come from RBL listed domains.: >:D > SPAM changes domains so often, and spammers discover yet more openG > relays, that keeping up with it is difficult. I estimate I would onlye3 > filter less than 5% of my total spam using a RBL.  >e > http://samspade.org/ >  > http://samspade.org/ssw/ >sG > Unfortunately its for a Windows environment, but a spammer is a lower J > form of life than a crap operating system. It contains RBL checks, abuseH > address information where it exists, tracing, safe web browsing, a fewG > other oddments that make spam tracing a rewarding activity. I cut and I > paste the results to a VMS session which sends the offending message to!/ > where something can usually be done about it.C >rI > In my view, this is better than simply mass rejecting the junk, without J > enforceable legislation this will be the only way to attack the problem. > F > Speaking personally, the biggest problem comes from China and Korea,@ > they just have NOT got a clue how to set up a proper computing; > environment, they are installing relays by the truckload.C >  > --A > Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer SciencesH > nclews at csc dot comU   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:20:36 +0000 (UTC)d* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)1 Subject: Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone?k0 Message-ID: <afinfj$fge$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  f In article <3D1BBE9F.F82C2614@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: >Steven Thompson wrote:  >> l >> Hi Lawrence >> mN >> I tested RBL on my system since your first posting on this subject, which I >> hadn't done to now.I >> I added two entries to the RBL line in my smtp.config file and my mailmI >> "receive logs" are now nearly all "550 Closing transmissions channel".   >> Something which I rarely see. >> To explain...O >> I follow the SMTP of my system quite closely, even allowing a certain laxity 3 >> in the configuration "just to see what happens".yL >> I  receive a fair quantity of junk on purpose which doesn't bother me. My5 >> server is for my own purposes, and for learning... O >> But I have added a protection in that if the system detects a suddenly large M >> quantity of files in the SMTP directory it closes down the SMTP queues anda  >> sends me a SMS on the mobile. >s; >would you care to share your RBL list in your SMTP config?    Sure; here it is:.  * RBLs: bl.spamcop.net, relays.osirusoft.com  % The TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.LOG file has:a  
 List of RBLs:t bl.spamcop.net relays.osirusoft.com  I This confirms it has read my SMTP.CONFIG file properly.  There's no other-+ indication that the RBL list is being used.   I Btw, I added some DCL code to TCPIP$SMTP_RECV_RUN.COM that I found in the H FAQ to have it construct an IP address with its octets in reverse order,B then append a bl.spamcop.net and do a TCPIP SHOW HOST on the name,G essentially doing the reverse lookup myself.  If the lookup succeeds, IBI don't even run the TCPIP$SMTP_RECEIVER.EXE program.  That has worked, andtG has rejected a couple pieces of spam.  I'd prefer that the smtp packager+ used the RBL feature as documented, though.i   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edue   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:26:18 +0000 (UTC)n* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)1 Subject: Re: Has SMTP RBL list worked for anyone?a0 Message-ID: <afinqa$fge$2@grapevine.wam.umd.edu>  n In article <afii2p$a0n$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>, "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz> writes:	 >........I >!: >RBLs:          spews.relays.osirusoft.com, bl.spamcop.net >!  N Steven, you gave a the above sites in response to Michael's posted request, soN I assume that you are using RBLs and they work for you.  Can you confirm this?M Have you received email from an RBL-blacklisted site and the log file says itoM was rejected?  Is there any positive indication that the RBL list you have isr working?   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu:   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 02 20:19:06 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)aS Subject: Re: Moving Alpha system disks (Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ..n) Message-ID: <cM28wa1pPUxq@elias.decus.ch>r  [ In article <TIBwvOgUeHWh@rabbit>, sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:aI > To put a practical cast on this issue, I offer a real-life example:	:-)s > M > Our shop consists of PCI-based Alphas, and older DEC7000's with a differenteL > backplane (XMI bus).  The system disk from an XMI-based machine *could* beH > plunked into a PCI-based machine, but you would have to massage TCP/IPP > services, for instance, which treats PCI and XMI ethernet cards with different > names. > D > So, yes, you can move a system disk around, but depending upon the2 > architecture, certain things need to be changed. >u  O I've done this plenty of times to propagate upgrades to multiple systems. (AlsoeE used it effectively to clone systems in preparation for Y2K testing).d  P The one time I got caught out was when booting my second Hobbyist Alpha into theJ first one as a cluster satellite. The first Alpha has 2 network cards, theI second Alpha only one and it hung on trying to see the non-existent card.a  I And of course, in this instance I had to tie the NO_SHARE licenses to theh specific systems as well.h  ae > In article <3D1C531D.DEB68CC1@mindspring.com>, Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> writes:o >> jlsue wrote:  >> t6 >>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:15:14 -0400, Atlant Schmidt( >>> <atlantnospam@mindspring.com> wrote: >>>l >>> >Lyndon Bartels wrote: >>> >dN >>> >> I said that no matter what, as long as it's alpha, I can take my systemN >>> >> disk and move it from one box to another, and it'll work. I may have toB >>> >> retune, but I can get a basic OS running with no changes... >>> >>> >>> >> The person's response.... "Wow,  that's *REALLY* nice." >>> >g+ >>> >It'd be even better if it were *TRUE*.  >>> >'Shame it's not, ehh? >>> >e >>> >Atlanto >>> >r >>>l# >>> Why do you make this statement?fE >>> I KNOW that I can boot my system disk on any VMS-supported Alpha.nD >>> I've done it and even performed off-line VMS upgrades for entire) >>> VMSclusters by using this capability.h >>  9 >> Note the change from the original statement "no matterg< >> what, as long as it's an Alpha" to your re-cast "any VMS-: >> supported Alpha". There's a world of difference between
 >> those two.o >>   >> Next strawman?r >> t	 >> Atlant  >> t >>   > -- t > Bradford J. Hamilton( > braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)( > sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work) > = > "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"t > "Lose the MAPS"m -- n __
 Paul Sture Switzerlands   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2002 16:03:47 -0600+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)e- Subject: Mozilla and the mysterious downloads 3 Message-ID: <D5H7pdFrDN99@eisner.encompasserve.org>   @ I'm getting some odd behavior with Mozilla 1.0 (CSWB V1.0) when ? clicking on some links.  For example, if I click on a link like-? http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_4.zip the f0 program opens a pop-up box with the following...  : You have chosen to download a file of type: "#1" [#2] from  ! What should #1 do with this file?    o Open using #15 o Save this file to disk  > I click on "Save this file" and the dialog box goes away, and ? it initially seems like nothing happened.  If I check my login  @ directory, though, I'll find that the file _is_ being downloaded" but it is given a random filename.  > I probably have something misconfigured, but I'm not sure what2 or how to fix it.  Any hints would be appreciated.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:37:49 GMT . From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloadsc3 Message-ID: <NG4T8.76476$IR.1087397@news.chello.at>i  a In article <D5H7pdFrDN99@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:uA >I'm getting some odd behavior with Mozilla 1.0 (CSWB V1.0) when c@ >clicking on some links.  For example, if I click on a link like@ >http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_4.zip the 1 >program opens a pop-up box with the following...  > ; >You have chosen to download a file of type: "#1" [#2] fromh >a" >What should #1 do with this file? >m >o Open using #1 >o Save this file to disko > ? >I click on "Save this file" and the dialog box goes away, and t@ >it initially seems like nothing happened.  If I check my login A >directory, though, I'll find that the file _is_ being downloadedm# >but it is given a random filename.o >s? >I probably have something misconfigured, but I'm not sure whatn3 >or how to fix it.  Any hints would be appreciated.n   Use LYNX...#   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER-% Network and OpenVMS system specialistr E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atP A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm looking for (a) Network _and_ VMS Job(s)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:57:03 +0200> From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>1 Subject: Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloadsi& Message-ID: <3D1CDBAF.9000108@home.nl>   Marty Kuhrt wrote:B > I'm getting some odd behavior with Mozilla 1.0 (CSWB V1.0) when A > clicking on some links.  For example, if I click on a link like A > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_4.zip the  2 > program opens a pop-up box with the following... > < > You have chosen to download a file of type: "#1" [#2] from > # > What should #1 do with this file?. >  > o Open using #1- > o Save this file to disk > @ > I click on "Save this file" and the dialog box goes away, and A > it initially seems like nothing happened.  If I check my login 8B > directory, though, I'll find that the file _is_ being downloaded$ > but it is given a random filename. > @ > I probably have something misconfigured, but I'm not sure what4 > or how to fix it.  Any hints would be appreciated.  L This is a known problem, that is not unique to VMS. As a workaround you can F right-click on the download URL, and use that method to save the file.  - Mozilla 1.1 is the latest version by the way.A   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 2002 21:38:36 GMT7 From: sy18889@rabmbit.famrp.cosm (Bradford J. Hamilton) 1 Subject: Re: Mozilla and the mysterious downloads ! Message-ID: <8JS1MROKocq5@rabbit>c  	 Hi Marty,e  # Use this link (wraparound warning):   8 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/  cswb_relnotes.html#downloaderror  H which documents the problem and a solution.  The solution worked for me.  a In article <D5H7pdFrDN99@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:iB > I'm getting some odd behavior with Mozilla 1.0 (CSWB V1.0) when A > clicking on some links.  For example, if I click on a link like A > http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/samba-2_2_4.zip the a2 > program opens a pop-up box with the following... > < > You have chosen to download a file of type: "#1" [#2] from > # > What should #1 do with this file?t >  > o Open using #1n > o Save this file to disk > @ > I click on "Save this file" and the dialog box goes away, and A > it initially seems like nothing happened.  If I check my login oB > directory, though, I'll find that the file _is_ being downloaded$ > but it is given a random filename. > @ > I probably have something misconfigured, but I'm not sure what4 > or how to fix it.  Any hints would be appreciated. -- t Bradford J. Hamilton& braMdhamAilPtoSn@aMtAtPbi.cSom		(home)& sMy1A88P89S@rabMbit.fAmPr.coSm		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"r "Lose the MAPS"    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:21:47 GMTo+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>R5 Subject: Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ...p+ Message-ID: <3D1C9EA1.814A640F@ins-msi.com>M   Atlant Schmidt wrote:p >  > "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:  > : > ? Are there any other qualifications that I have missed? > / > 2a. VMS need sto have *WRITTEN* the hardware-a: >       platform-specific support files; they didn't do so  >       for all Alpha platforms. > 5 > 4.   The system needs not to have been deliberatelyg5 >       crippled-via-firmware so as to not be able ton >       run VMS. > 9 >      The crippling could be the famous "negative" modelO$ >       number, no SRM PALcode, etc. > % >                              Atlanta  D All three flavors or the "white box" Digital Server NT-only machines will run both VMS and Tru64.  
 Jeff Campbell  n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:29:43 +0200m2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)5 Subject: Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ...M; Message-ID: <3d1c9d07.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>i   I wrote:5 > Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote:a > > Lyndon Bartels wrote:eM > > > I said that no matter what, as long as it's alpha, I can take my systemgM > > > disk and move it from one box to another, and it'll work. I may have to A > > > retune, but I can get a basic OS running with no changes...V > > >A= > > > The person's response.... "Wow,  that's *REALLY* nice."  > >b* > > It'd be even better if it were *TRUE*. > > 'Shame it's not, ehh?a > K > What exactly (besides trying to troll around) do you mean to say by that?  >jE > With the possible exception of the network configuration, the above$ > statement *IS* true.  F Oh well... I apologize. I don't consider the ARC/AlphaBIOS-only Alphas7 to be "real" Alphas, and I guess Lyndon meant the same.s   cu,r   Martin  4 P.S.: Remove "trolling", insert "squabbling". Sorry.  I P.P.S.: I wouldn't consider screwed-up system parameters a hinderance, ast3 you can always boot with the default parameter set.s -- tD                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.derE   KNOW where you want  |     http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:16:54 -0400i2 From: Atlant Schmidt <atlantnospam@mindspring.com>5 Subject: Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ... . Message-ID: <3D1CA816.5E11A3E6@mindspring.com>   Jeff Campbell wrote:  F > All three flavors or the "white box" Digital Server NT-only machines > will run both VMS and Tru64.  % Even a Digital PW500 (*NOT* 500au!) ?o  2 Even a <I forget the name but the TOEM minisystem>7 that Fred had to write the unsupported SYS$CPU_ROUTINES C for? And if you do boot it, is it licensed? And can you get support  for this unsupported system?  5 Even a half-flash system that's currently loaded with6 the WIN/NT flash?t   Those will all run VMS?t   Atlant   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 02 20:28:11 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)-5 Subject: Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ...-) Message-ID: <7nDNeGQpdZm7@elias.decus.ch>   p In article <3d1c9d07.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:
 > I wrote:6 >> Atlant Schmidt (atlantnospam@mindspring.com) wrote: >> > Lyndon Bartels wrote:N >> > > I said that no matter what, as long as it's alpha, I can take my systemN >> > > disk and move it from one box to another, and it'll work. I may have toB >> > > retune, but I can get a basic OS running with no changes... >> > >> >> > > The person's response.... "Wow,  that's *REALLY* nice." >> >+ >> > It'd be even better if it were *TRUE*.k >> > 'Shame it's not, ehh? >>L >> What exactly (besides trying to troll around) do you mean to say by that? >>F >> With the possible exception of the network configuration, the above >> statement *IS* true.  > H > Oh well... I apologize. I don't consider the ARC/AlphaBIOS-only Alphas9 > to be "real" Alphas, and I guess Lyndon meant the same.  >  > cu, 
 >   Martin > 6 > P.S.: Remove "trolling", insert "squabbling". Sorry. > K > P.P.S.: I wouldn't consider screwed-up system parameters a hinderance, ase5 > you can always boot with the default parameter set.s  M And in a networked environment, a minimum boot to change the node name(s) ands" IP address(es) / name(s) first :-)   Followed by autogen, of course.  __
 Paul Sture Switzerlandp   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:22:06 GMT + From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> 5 Subject: Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ... + Message-ID: <3D1CBAD3.C3D323C6@ins-msi.com>t   Atlant Schmidt wrote:i >  > Jeff Campbell wrote: > H > > All three flavors or the "white box" Digital Server NT-only machines  > > will run both VMS and Tru64. > ' > Even a Digital PW500 (*NOT* 500au!) ?r >   B Read what I wrote. The NT-only AlphaServers, alias Digital Servers (330x, 530x, 730x).e  3 The Digital Personal WorkStations will boot VMS if:h  A   1) there is a supported SCSI controller and disk in the machinea5   2) there is a supported SCSI CD-ROM in the machine.   4 > Even a <I forget the name but the TOEM minisystem>9 > that Fred had to write the unsupported SYS$CPU_ROUTINESuE > for? And if you do boot it, is it licensed? And can you get supportp > for this unsupported system? >    Hobbyist license. No support.-  7 > Even a half-flash system that's currently loaded with  > the WIN/NT flash?L >    Install the SRM firmware.S   > Those will all run VMS?e >    Yes.   > Atlant  
 Jeff Campbella n8wxs@arrl.net   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 2002 16:53 CDTm' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e5 Subject: Re: My conversation with Linus about VMS ...s- Message-ID: <28JUN200216535574@gerg.tamu.edu>n  [ In article <3D1CBAD3.C3D323C6@ins-msi.com>, Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> writes...t }Atlant Schmidt wrote: }> > }> Jeff Campbell wrote:e }> aI }> > All three flavors or the "white box" Digital Server NT-only machines ! }> > will run both VMS and Tru64.M }>  ( }> Even a Digital PW500 (*NOT* 500au!) ? }> n } C }Read what I wrote. The NT-only AlphaServers, alias Digital Serverse }(330x, 530x, 730x). } 4 }The Digital Personal WorkStations will boot VMS if: } B }  1) there is a supported SCSI controller and disk in the machine6 }  2) there is a supported SCSI CD-ROM in the machine. } 5 }> Even a <I forget the name but the TOEM minisystem> : }> that Fred had to write the unsupported SYS$CPU_ROUTINESF }> for? And if you do boot it, is it licensed? And can you get support }> for this unsupported system?e }> o }  }Hobbyist license. No support. } 8 }> Even a half-flash system that's currently loaded with }> the WIN/NT flash? }> m }  }Install the SRM firmware. }  }> Those will all run VMS? }> a }  }Yes.h } 	 }> Atlante }  }Jeff Campbell }n8wxs@arrl.neto  > You may note that if you have to install the SRM firmware then  ? You may note that if there is no supported SCSI controller thenp- you can't just plug the drive in and run VMS.n   Etc.  # The original statement is not true.p   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:17:43 GMTr1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>i Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing' Message-ID: <3D1D0EC6.FE32BCAE@fsi.net>    "Stuart, Ed" wrote:  > N > I've got some new OpenVMS info for you folks.  The new HP is setting up someN > free OpenVMS system manager training courses.  I received the document belowN > from our VAR.  I asked the VAR's contact in the new HP if I could post it toE > the group and their response was the wider the audience the better.@K > Unfortunately they also informed me that the first class is probably fullnL > already, but OpenVMS marketing is trying to get more classes in the future) > and may even take the show on the road.l  @ I'd like to propose to the group that we solicit Ed's VAR in ourD marketing campaign efforts. They appear to be highly active and well
 connected.   -- C David J. Dachtera? dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:49:08 GMTv1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>o Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing, Message-ID: <om8T8.27665$Uu2.4804@sccrnsc03>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D1D0EC6.FE32BCAE@fsi.net...  > "Stuart, Ed" wrote:n > >tK > > I've got some new OpenVMS info for you folks.  The new HP is setting upn someJ > > free OpenVMS system manager training courses.  I received the document belowaJ > > from our VAR.  I asked the VAR's contact in the new HP if I could post it to G > > the group and their response was the wider the audience the better.nH > > Unfortunately they also informed me that the first class is probably fullG > > already, but OpenVMS marketing is trying to get more classes in theP future+ > > and may even take the show on the road.e >rB > I'd like to propose to the group that we solicit Ed's VAR in ourF > marketing campaign efforts. They appear to be highly active and well > connected.  K FYI the first OpenVMS Immersion Course was booked to capacity less than twos days after HPQ announced it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:01:57 GMTI1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing' Message-ID: <3D1D1923.DEB05CAB@fsi.net>e   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a > > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3D1D0EC6.FE32BCAE@fsi.net...o > > "Stuart, Ed" wrote:s > > >hM > > > I've got some new OpenVMS info for you folks.  The new HP is setting upm > someL > > > free OpenVMS system manager training courses.  I received the document > below7L > > > from our VAR.  I asked the VAR's contact in the new HP if I could post > it tolI > > > the group and their response was the wider the audience the better. J > > > Unfortunately they also informed me that the first class is probably > fullI > > > already, but OpenVMS marketing is trying to get more classes in theO > future- > > > and may even take the show on the road.  > >nD > > I'd like to propose to the group that we solicit Ed's VAR in ourH > > marketing campaign efforts. They appear to be highly active and well > > connected. > M > FYI the first OpenVMS Immersion Course was booked to capacity less than twoV > days after HPQ announced it.  @ From what I read, that capacity was severely limited - circa. 258 headcount. Should probably have been 5 to 10 times that.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems> http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:39:47 GMTn1 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@attbi.com>r Subject: Re: New VMS Marketing> Message-ID: <T59T8.184944$R61.63469@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3D1D1923.DEB05CAB@fsi.net...e > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:- > >-@ > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message% > > news:3D1D0EC6.FE32BCAE@fsi.net...a > > > "Stuart, Ed" wrote:  > > > >-L > > > > I've got some new OpenVMS info for you folks.  The new HP is setting up > > someE > > > > free OpenVMS system manager training courses.  I received theo document	 > > below/I > > > > from our VAR.  I asked the VAR's contact in the new HP if I could  post	 > > it tohK > > > > the group and their response was the wider the audience the better. L > > > > Unfortunately they also informed me that the first class is probably > > fullK > > > > already, but OpenVMS marketing is trying to get more classes in thee
 > > future/ > > > > and may even take the show on the road.t > > >IF > > > I'd like to propose to the group that we solicit Ed's VAR in ourJ > > > marketing campaign efforts. They appear to be highly active and well > > > connected. > >hK > > FYI the first OpenVMS Immersion Course was booked to capacity less than  two0  > > days after HPQ announced it. >eB > From what I read, that capacity was severely limited - circa. 25: > headcount. Should probably have been 5 to 10 times that. >i  K Yep. 20 or so. I suspect HPQ thought it would run the first course to "test I the waters" and assess the level of interest. I also suspect they got theW+ message re: conducting future sessions. ;-}    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:31:28 +0200/) From: "Steven Thompson" <steven@omga.biz>p0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 - system lockupsB Message-ID: <afikit$m1j$1@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>  	 Hi martins  J ... I didn't see the earlier posting, so I don't know if you mentioned the HW configuration.e  C I had a similar experience not so long ago on an ES40 with 4 CPU's.. One of the CPU's was flakey.D The server just "stopped". All the lights still on (front and back)!K It took us a couple of failures before we found out which CPU was to blame.u   Steven    @ "Martin Platts" <martin.platts@cdl.co.uk> escribi en el mensaje6 news:b367fb16.0206260259.b83b1df@posting.google.com...H > I posted a message about V7.3 lockups in the past - but in looking forB > 'leaks' I found on (one of) the affected system(s) the followingH > display for the buffer objects - look in the last line "physical pagesH > locked by buffer objects" - it shows more in use than the peak (~*4) -# > could this cause a crash somehow?0 >0H > Not seen it on other V7.34 systems we have. The system has the lastestB > patches as of a week ago - including TCPIP V5.1 eco 4. All usersG > connect by TCP/IP via TELNET clients - the system has RAXCO RAXmastersE > V7.6 installed (for PerfectCache - so no XFC/VIOC). The scenario is.H > that the machine totally locks up - console dead, no mouse, cursor etc; > - can halt the machine but cannot get crash dump created.  >aB >               System Memory Resources on 26-JUN-2002 11:33:21.83 >bB > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use
 > ModifiedB >   Main Memory (2.00Gb)            262144        3959      217540 > 40645  > B > Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use
 > ReleasedB >   Execlet code region               1024           0        1022 >     2 B >   Execlet data region                512           0         291 >   221 B >   S0/S1 Executive data region       3674           0        3674 >     0iB >   Resident image code region        1024           0         846 >   178  >aB > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident	 > SwappediB >   Process Entry Slots                759         455         304 >     0MB >   Balance Set Slots                  757         455         302 >     0p >wB > Dynamic Memory Usage:              Total        Free      In Use	 > LargestrB >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory (Mb)     28.60       18.76        9.84 > 16.52.B >   Paged Dynamic Memory    (Mb)     14.30       11.44        2.86 > 11.41rB >   Lock Manager Dyn Memory (Mb)     14.55        8.32        6.22 >1B > Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        PeakB >   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)              5           6B >   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                97         103B >   Physical pages locked by buffer objects        102          26 > B > Memory Reservations (pages):       Group    Reserved      In Use >  TypeiB >   Total (0 bytes reserved)                         0           0 >eB > Swap File Usage (8KB pages):                   Index        Free >  Sizen+ >   DISK$PCIS_VMS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYSiB >                                                    1        3120 >  3120b >hB > Paging File Usage (8KB pages):                 Index        Free >  Sizeh+ >   DISK$PCIS_VMS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS B >                                                  254       85622 > 93744o& >   Total committed paging file usage: > 153969 >,H > Of the physical pages in use, 13179 pages are permanently allocated to
 > OpenVMS. > 8 > The selected file data Cache is DISABLED on this node. >i > Martin PlattsR5 > (all opinions are my own, not those of my employer)D   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:29:21 GMTa1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: parsing >255m' Message-ID: <3D1D117F.11E35606@fsi.net>T   Chuck Aaron wrote: >  > Group, > > > It appears DCL command procedures cannot parse more than 255F > characters at one time into a single form_fld buffer. Is there a way7 > around this or is this still an internal restriction?   H I believe that's still a known restriction. In some cases, it can handleA strings as long as 510 bytes, but 255 seems to be the safest bet.    -- A David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2002 14:35:12 -0700. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman). Subject: Question about AUTOGEN and ACP params= Message-ID: <343f30ae.0206281335.2fb68121@posting.google.com>r   Hello,  C Results from a recent AUTOGEN on MicroVAX 3100-95 running VMS v6.1:o  9 [Command was @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS TESTFILES ! ]    % ACP_DINDXCACHE parameter information:y         Feedback information.t,            Old value was 78, New value is 94            Hit percentage: 100%a/            Attempt rate: 5 attempts per 10 sec.    # ACP_HDRCACHE parameter information:          Feedback information. .            Old value was 259, New value is 259            Hit percentage: 83%/            Attempt rate: 4 attempts per 10 sec.u  E OK, why does AUTOGEN increase the first param when the hit percentagecA is already 100% but is happy with the second parameter with a hito6 percentage of 83%. The attempt rates are very similar.   Thanks."   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman gfigroup comn   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jun 2002 15:34:40 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s+ Subject: Re: Sun benchmarketeering campaignt3 Message-ID: <632DAznr0H0y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <0ljq11rbuKMv@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:    >  > 	Reference?  Sure... > / > http://www.digit-life.com/articles/ibmpower4/a >  > 4. POWER4 diea > E > The POWER4 houses 2 processors each having an L1 cache for data anduL > instructions. The die has a single L2 cache of 1450 KBytes controlled by 3N > separate controllers connected to the cores via a CIU (Core Interface Unit).M > The controllers work independently and can process 32 bytes per clock. EachtP > processor uses two separate 256-bit buses to connect the CIU for data fetchingP > and data loading, as well as a separate 64-bit bus to save the results; the L2I > cache has a bandwidth of 100 GBytes/s. The L2 cache's system looks welloJ > balanced and very powerful. Each processor has a special unit to supportP > noncachable operations (Noncacheable Unit). The L3 controller and the memory'sQ > one are located on die as well. For connection with the L3 cache working at 1/3eJ > of the processor's speed and with the memory there are two 128-bit busesM > operating at 1/3 of the processor's frequency. The throughput of the memorylQ > interface is about 11 GBytes/s. Data flows coming from the memory and L2 and L3nM > caches and the buses of the chips are controlled by the Fabric Controller: a >  >   
 	Big mistake.m  B 	The L2 cache is 1.5 MBytes, not "more than 5 MBytes" , an earlier? 	link discovered is combining all caches to lead me to believe o 	5.6 MBytes was/is the total.a   Machine Type: p690	 7040 p680> 7017 n    Microprocessor     O Type Power4 RS64 IV  Processors per system 32 24 . Clock rates available 1.1/1.3 GHz 450/600 MHz     Memory      & System (min/max) 8GB/256GB* 2GB/96GB*  L2 Cache 5.6MB*** 16MB**   L3 Cache 128MB   s
 Capacity     t Slots available 160 53 t Disk/Media bays 128/4 48/8 h3 Internal disk(min/max> 36.4GB/4.66TB 9.1GB/873.6GB e    Benchmarks     * rPerf* 50.56 27.65 w    * shared memory  **per processore ***per MCM S  l 	per MCM, not per processor.    d 				RobL   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:33:35 -0400g1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>l. Subject: Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.22 Message-ID: <3D1C81CF.DDAE4F3F@firstdbasource.com>   Kees Bekema wrote: >  > Hi.o > ; > I am a service engineer of medical equipment, like MRI's. 1 > These MRI's use VMS with UCX version 4.2 ECO 3.uG > Images created on the MRI are exported over the network to an archive-9 > station. Image format is DICOM. Transported via TCP/IP.fF > My question is can I fine-tune the performance of the image transferC > via TCP/IP? Is there a possibility to change the TCP window size?t> > Via sniffing I found out that the window size is 4096 bytes. > > > Is it possible to change the window size in UCX version 4.2? > How do I do this? ? > If this is possible, is there a maximum for this window size?w > Any negative side effects? > * > Notice that this is not an FTP transfer.) > It is a DICOM file transfer via TCP/IP.i >  > Thanks in advancet
 > Kees Bekemar  F you could make sure they are using a 10/100 (with emphasis on the 100)6 ethernet card.  You didn't say which hardware/ethernetH controller/switches are in the configuration.  There is a whole lot more than just the MTU.   --   Regards,  6 Michael Austin            OpenVMS User since June 19847 First DBA Source, Inc.    Registered Linux User #261163-7 Sr. Consultant            http://www.firstdbasource.comtE                           http://www.firstdbasource.com/donation.htmli/ 704-947-1089 (Office)     704-236-4377 (Mobile)C   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:39:54 +02002( From: Kees Bekema <cab4.11@inter.nl.net>. Subject: Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.28 Message-ID: <4ahphu8ed1a2elvfo0uodp4975adsrj9eh@4ax.com>  2 On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:33:35 -0400, Michael Austin# <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:i   >Kees Bekema wrote:n >> m >> Hi. >> >< >> I am a service engineer of medical equipment, like MRI's.2 >> These MRI's use VMS with UCX version 4.2 ECO 3.H >> Images created on the MRI are exported over the network to an archive: >> station. Image format is DICOM. Transported via TCP/IP.G >> My question is can I fine-tune the performance of the image transferaD >> via TCP/IP? Is there a possibility to change the TCP window size?? >> Via sniffing I found out that the window size is 4096 bytes.S >> R? >> Is it possible to change the window size in UCX version 4.2?  >> How do I do this?@ >> If this is possible, is there a maximum for this window size? >> Any negative side effects?? >> cG >you could make sure they are using a 10/100 (with emphasis on the 100) 7 >ethernet card.  You didn't say which hardware/ethernettI >controller/switches are in the configuration.  There is a whole lot moref >than just the MTU.e  3 I notice now that I should have been more specific. C I am specifically interested in increasing the transfer performanceoB via the TCP window size. The host can be an AlphaServer800, a DMCC@ 2164 or a DS10 with 512 MByte of memory. All are equipped with a7 10/100 NIC from DEC operating at 100 Mbps Full Duplex. eD The present window size is 4096 bytes, which allows for 3 IP packets; before waiting for an ACK from the remote receiver station.fA What are the command lines, if any, to have VMS / UCX show me the2 window size?  C How can I optimize the image transfer via DICOM to, for example, myfF laptop that is connected to the NIC of the host via a crossed-link UTP( cable. The laptop also runs 100 Mbps FD.  E The host runs VMS 7.1-2 with the Digital TCP/IP services for Open VMSoE version V4.2 eco 3. Upgrade  to a newer version of UCX (e.g V5.1) and ( VMS is for various reasons not possible.  # Hope I made myself clear this time.f Thanx in advance.t Kees Bekemae   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:24:42 GMT 4 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@bigfoot.com>. Subject: Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.2@ Message-ID: <Km5T8.371$uT4.133@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  K As I understand this, the client provides the window size to the host.  Youi@ should be looking at the IP config on the client to change this.  C You should also consider upgrading to TCPIP 5.x.  When we moved our J customers to 5.0a from 4.x we cut download time of  "large" image files by? 25% - 35 %.  Good payback for a simple layered product upgrade.v     --   Andy Bustamantep( remove the ascii-95's to reply by e-mail      5 "Kees Bekema" <cab4.11@inter.nl.net> wrote in messagee2 news:4ahphu8ed1a2elvfo0uodp4975adsrj9eh@4ax.com...4 > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:33:35 -0400, Michael Austin% > <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:u >t > >Kees Bekema wrote:V > >> > >> Hi. > >>> > >> I am a service engineer of medical equipment, like MRI's.4 > >> These MRI's use VMS with UCX version 4.2 ECO 3.J > >> Images created on the MRI are exported over the network to an archive< > >> station. Image format is DICOM. Transported via TCP/IP.I > >> My question is can I fine-tune the performance of the image transferrF > >> via TCP/IP? Is there a possibility to change the TCP window size?A > >> Via sniffing I found out that the window size is 4096 bytes.l > >>A > >> Is it possible to change the window size in UCX version 4.2?p > >> How do I do this?B > >> If this is possible, is there a maximum for this window size? > >> Any negative side effects?  > >>I > >you could make sure they are using a 10/100 (with emphasis on the 100)g9 > >ethernet card.  You didn't say which hardware/ethernetnK > >controller/switches are in the configuration.  There is a whole lot morea > >than just the MTU.2 >E5 > I notice now that I should have been more specific.'E > I am specifically interested in increasing the transfer performance D > via the TCP window size. The host can be an AlphaServer800, a DMCCB > 2164 or a DS10 with 512 MByte of memory. All are equipped with a8 > 10/100 NIC from DEC operating at 100 Mbps Full Duplex.F > The present window size is 4096 bytes, which allows for 3 IP packets= > before waiting for an ACK from the remote receiver station.bC > What are the command lines, if any, to have VMS / UCX show me thee > window size? > E > How can I optimize the image transfer via DICOM to, for example, myiH > laptop that is connected to the NIC of the host via a crossed-link UTP* > cable. The laptop also runs 100 Mbps FD. >vG > The host runs VMS 7.1-2 with the Digital TCP/IP services for Open VMSwG > version V4.2 eco 3. Upgrade  to a newer version of UCX (e.g V5.1) andr* > VMS is for various reasons not possible. >t% > Hope I made myself clear this time.b > Thanx in advance.t
 > Kees Bekema- >  >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:56:40 GMTf From: lbohan@dbc..spamless..com/. Subject: Re: TCP transfer speed using UCX V4.28 Message-ID: <cstphu8s4ak07au2mkcngele18p1ujd4es@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:39:54 +0200, Kees Bekema <cab4.11@inter.nl.net> wrote:  E >The present window size is 4096 bytes, which allows for 3 IP packets < >before waiting for an ACK from the remote receiver station.B >What are the command lines, if any, to have VMS / UCX show me the
 >window size?a >dD >How can I optimize the image transfer via DICOM to, for example, myG >laptop that is connected to the NIC of the host via a crossed-link UTP ) >cable. The laptop also runs 100 Mbps FD.s  3 I don't think there's a way to set (most) of these e< on a per session basis.   Perhaps, in V5.3, but perhaps not.  6 I am fairly sure (most of) the following TCP protocol " qualifiers were present in V4.2;  - (Use $ UCX Set protocol /blah/blah   instead)r    ? Near/about this page (I searched the Compaq TCP/IP Services form? OpenVMS Management Command Reference, under Q, for for "quota")t  L http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/tcpip51/6527/6527pro_008.html#index_x_509  =  TCPIP>  SET PROTOCOL TCP /QUOTA=(SEND:250000,RECEIVE:250000)     Qualifiers_for_TCP    /MTU_SEGMENT_SIZE      /DELAY_ACK k /DROP_COUNT              /PROBE_TIMER     /QUOTA     n
 /WINDOW_SCALEo   ....  SET
   PROTOCOL     Qualifiers_for_TCP       /QUOTA             /QUOTA=options          Optional.,          Queue size (in bytes) for messages.<          The options for setting TCP message queue size are:E          o  RECEIVE:n - Receive queue size. The default value is 4096s             bytes.F          o  SEND:n - Send queue size. The default value is 4096 bytes.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 04:04:06 GMTe( From: Alder <PGDEHMKOKIMD@spammotel.com>- Subject: TELNET service startup file missing? , Message-ID: <3D1D31B5.6030605@spammotel.com>  G Once more I appeal to the patient and generous sorts that inhabit this sE NG to help out this Windozed newbie.  I am running VMS 7.2 Alpha and eI have been toying with the Telnet service on TCPIP Services 5(?).  I want nE to start and stop the service without using TCPIP$Config to stop and sI start the entire suite of net services, but the TCPIP$TELNET_STARTUP.COM  F file appears to be missing from the SYS$MANAGER directory where it is > apparently supposed to have been installed.  It's complement, 8 TCPIP$TELNET_SHUTDOWN.COM is there, but not the STARTUP.  C Did I delete this file?  Or was it perhaps never installed?  Can I o$ restore it without too much trouble?   Many thanks, as always.n   Alder    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:58:45 -0400-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d1 Subject: Re: TELNET service startup file missing? , Message-ID: <3D1D3E84.A4A3676A@videotron.ca>  N It is normal that there is no telnet srartup file in sys$manager. Telnet isn'tD a "normal" service, it is closer to a fancy terminal driver I think.   You can enable/disable it with:n     $TCPIP DISABLE SERVICE TELNETs   or:6 $TCPIP TCPIP> HELP ENABLE - TCPIP> HELP DISABLE    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 2002 17:45:10 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)n' Subject: Re: when is a typo not a typo? , Message-ID: <afi7b6$2nmc$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  3 In article <oNjUYmkWHxSX@eisner.encompasserve.org>,T0  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: |> r) |>    Stuff this is you favorite browser:  |> 5 |>    www.openvms.copaq.comt |> t |>    That's right: copaq. |> r  + I got nothing.  Couldn't connect to server.g   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jun 02 20:20:51 +0200) From: p_sture@elias.decus.ch (Paul Sture)p' Subject: Re: when is a typo not a typo? ) Message-ID: <Il9vwCkDOk2F@elias.decus.ch>   ` In article <afi7b6$2nmc$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:5 > In article <oNjUYmkWHxSX@eisner.encompasserve.org>,s2 >  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > |>  + > |>    Stuff this is you favorite browser:y > |> ) > |>    www.openvms.copaq.com. > |> 1 > |>    That's right: copaq. > |> ) > - > I got nothing.  Couldn't connect to server.j > N I got a connection timeout. The server certainly exists and is registered to a private individual.  __
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandS   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:31:33 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM mode:, Message-ID: <3D1CAB82.564BBC92@videotron.ca>   Dave Greenwood wrote:rJ > XDM is not needed - you can probably start telnet or rsh sessions on the; > hosts of your choice from the emulator without using XDM.I  G Well, I genereally start the session from my VMS workstation to pop the I windows oh my MAC. But if XDM means that the MAC could actually start the F sessions on it own (without having to telnet) it would be really cool.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:12:47 GMT  From: sasadmin <jec@nospam.net>m Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM mode92 Message-ID: <87elerrytj.fsf@Alethion.systasis.net>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:e   > Dave Greenwood wrote:IL > > XDM is not needed - you can probably start telnet or rsh sessions on the= > > hosts of your choice from the emulator without using XDM.  > I > Well, I genereally start the session from my VMS workstation to pop thetK > windows oh my MAC. But if XDM means that the MAC could actually start thehH > sessions on it own (without having to telnet) it would be really cool.  B "XDM provides a way for users to log on and start initial clients,& regardless of what X server they use" B 		- Volume 8, X Windows System Administrator's Guide, Mui & Pierce     To continue:  7 		"If an X terminal is set up to use 'Direct,' it meansb9 		that it will ask a particular host for a connection. If.8 		it is set up to use 'Broadcast,' it means that it will: 		send out a general query throughout the network, for any8 		host running /xdm/ to answer - for most X servers, the: 		first host that answers is the one that gets control of  		the terminal"j  ; 		"'Indirect' queries are for hosts that might forward the a; 		connection to another host, but hosts that could actuallyt< 		do this were few and far between before R5 /xdm/. Ideally,= 		you would want a user to have a choice among multiple hosts 7 		to connect to. Some X servers have this functionalityk< 		built in, using either 'Indirect' or 'Broadcast' queries."   --   Microsoft Free By 2003   ------------------------------   Date: 28 JUN 2002 19:18:03 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>f Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM modew2 Message-ID: <28JUN02.19180399@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  E In a previous article, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:T > Dave Greenwood wrote:aL > > XDM is not needed - you can probably start telnet or rsh sessions on the= > > hosts of your choice from the emulator without using XDM.r >  iI > Well, I genereally start the session from my VMS workstation to pop theoK > windows oh my MAC. But if XDM means that the MAC could actually start themH > sessions on it own (without having to telnet) it would be really cool.  F XDM would give you the CDE login screen as if you were at the console.A This assumes, of course, that the tcpip stack on your workstationvE provides XDMCP support.  You didn't say what X emulator you're using,wF but eXodus provides a way to execute commands on a host via rsh and/orG rexec.  That would provide another non-telnet way to start applicationsu from your MAC.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVtH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:45:49 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM mode , Message-ID: <3D1CBCE6.B51AD960@videotron.ca>   Dave Greenwood wrote:aH > XDM would give you the CDE login screen as if you were at the console.  G Would this apply to DECwindows on a VAX (which doesn't have CDE) also ?c  K Is there anything I need to do on the VMS side to enable XDM service ? (eg: L defining some service in TCPIP to direct requests to a VMS side XDM piece of software ?)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:35:50 GMT % From: "-Andy-" <acs@fcgnet.works.net>e Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM modee> Message-ID: <Xns923BA894BC285acsfcgnetworksnet@216.166.71.232>  ; JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> enlightened us withd% news:3D1CAB82.564BBC92@videotron.ca:     > Dave Greenwood wrote:a; >> XDM is not needed - you can probably start telnet or rshnA >> sessions on the hosts of your choice from the emulator withoutM >> using XDM.  > A > Well, I genereally start the session from my VMS workstation to  > pop the windows oh my MAC.  @ That's fine but what if you want to use a window manager on your7 VMS machine instead of whatever you have on your Mac ? /  A > But if XDM means that the MAC could actually start the sessionst@ > on it own (without having to telnet) it would be really cool.   B And if someone has (or a URL to) a nice simple 'how-to' to get xdm? to work on Mac OS X (with XDarwin/XFree) so we can actually userB the XDM support in Compaq TCP/IP 5.1/5.3 that allows this it would be much appreciated.    < Apparently the [R]eally [T]eriffic [F]ine [M]anuals for xdm B available with the Mac OS X version of XFree (XDarwin), like most < Unix programms, assumes too much understanding of the arcane, procedures required to get this to work....   7 It's been so long since I stopped having to worry abouts; Unix and X issues that what little I understood such thingsd& before seems to have gone away... %-).   -Andy-   ------------------------------   Date: 28 JUN 2002 20:50:37 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>n Subject: Re: Xwindows: XDM modeC2 Message-ID: <28JUN02.20503700@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  E In a previous article, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  > Dave Greenwood wrote:hJ > > XDM would give you the CDE login screen as if you were at the console. >  iI > Would this apply to DECwindows on a VAX (which doesn't have CDE) also ??  J I don't really know.  I don't think XDM is restricted to CDE - I just said" CDE because that's what I've used.  M > Is there anything I need to do on the VMS side to enable XDM service ? (eg:sN > defining some service in TCPIP to direct requests to a VMS side XDM piece of
 > software ?)n  I I would expect that you would need to enable XDM in TCPIP - I had to witheD MultiNet (though it may have been on by default).  IIRC, XDM was notH available for a long time with TCPIP but I see it's available with v5.3.H I can't help with the "how" - maybe someone else will pipe up or there's always tfm.c   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV-H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.354 ************************