1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 03 Mar 2002	Volume 2002 : Issue 122       Contents:+ RE: Compaq adopts microsoft approach to VMS ( Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics!, Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! Re: decnet phase IV -> phase V% Re: emacs21 working a little bit more % RE: emacs21 working a little bit more L Re: Prior Version Support (was: Re: Compaq adopts microsoft approach to VMS)2 remember this one: DEC and INTEL agreement in 1997 Re: Shannon on the merger P Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of   Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240???? RE: VMS for a DEC 5000/240???? Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240????# Re: What return codes mean success?  [DECWarch] Jasper & Xephem  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:22:41 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> 4 Subject: RE: Compaq adopts microsoft approach to VMST Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF401AB1D0F@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Antti,  F >>> Doesn't this sound like situation where 5.5-2 might be ready for = production use?<<   B This approach might be ok for those with a tightly defined HW/SW =( environment that is similarily dated.=20  B While everyone wants a bug free environment, the challenges most =F Customers have today is that they also want new HW support, new RASS =I features, new functionality etc. that help them to address both current =  and new business requirements.  E Hence, the majority of Customers today strike a balance between the = H latest and greatest releases and what it is that they really need (not =D necessarily "would like to have") for their specific environment.=20  I Note - this is not unique to OpenVMS, but also applies to all platforms = D e.g. most Customers are still running NT4 on the majority of their = servers.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----2 From: Antti J=E4rvinen [mailto:costello@iki.fi]=20 Sent: March 1, 2002 2:45 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 Subject: Re: Compaq adopts microsoft approach to VMS    / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: J > But someone still on 5.5-2, what are the odds of them finding a *new*=20 > bug ?  >=20G > If someone is still on 5.5-2, it is likely that they have a stabel=20 C > system with no new applications and running old versions of an=20 G > application. Correct ? In that case, would they really find new bugs?   B Doesn't this sound like situation where 5.5-2 might be ready for = production use?   C Same applies to Oracle v6. And whatever folks asking for serious=20 J buglessness might want to use. If source code fo Oracle v6 and VMS 5.5-2 =J would be given to Public (old versions of VMS did came with source code, =G I've seen the tapes and parts of the code), would there be demand for = 0 folks who would support and security-enchance=20% stable old versions of good stuff?=20    --=20 ! Antti J=E4rvinen, costello@iki.fi 7             "concerto for two faggots and orchestra"=20    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 05:46:03 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203030546.6678763e@posting.google.com>    isn't this ad 5 years too soon?   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm    Compaq TV ad to push Itanic   $ But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh... & By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BST  F THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad7 that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief. C According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed to > view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburgh Supercomputing facility.  F This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alpha in its high end incarnation.  E But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved with C pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shipping ( now after that horrible SNAFU last year.  E The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made to F say something along the lines that the incredible computation power ofA his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor.   ; Which of course it doesn't. And won't for a fair old while.   = Meanwhile, intrepid girl reporter Eva Glass tells us that the B marketing department(s) at Q are very much afraid that if the HP-Q> takeover goes ahead on April Fool's day, most will go, go, go.  C That, she understands, means that little in the way of marketing is E going on, the CVs/resumes are flying like confetti, while "cover your  ass" is the order of the day.   E But is having the words Compaq Marketing Specialist on your CV a good 8 recommendation for a future job, Eva mischievously asks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:17:01 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)5 Subject: Re: Compaq lies again, calls Alphas Itanics! K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0303021217010001@1cust170.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   = In article <d7791aa1.0203030546.6678763e@posting.google.com>, ) bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:     >isn't this ad 5 years too soon? > * >http://www.theinquirer.net/mm25020202.htm >  >Compaq TV ad to push Itanic   > % >But they're Alphas in Pittsburgh...  ' >By Mike Magee, 03/03/2002 01:20:54 BST  > G >THE WORD ON THE advertising street is that Compaq is preparing a TV ad 8 >that will have Alpha aficionados fainting in disbelief.    D >According to sources so close to Compaq that they're not allowed to? >view the INQUIRER on their PCs, the ad features the Pittsburgh  >Supercomputing facility.   J Smirk.  Care to name these "sources"?  Does Mike really think Compaq has a+ rule against reading his silly on-line rag?   G >This facility, of course, demonstrates the fearsome power of the Alpha  >in its high end incarnation.  > F >But, we understand, shots of the Pittsburgh site are interleaved withD >pictures of an unlidded Compaq Itanium, which of course is shipping) >now after that horrible SNAFU last year.   H What's a "Compaq Itanium"?  Compaq has nothing to do with making ItaniumI chips.  Why would they be carrying around unlidded parts and showing them J to cameras?  Perhaps it's an unlidded alpha chip?  Or maybe it's a genericI piece of corporate clip art, or a picture of some old chunk that fell off  of Eniac.     J I have no idea what ad campaign Compaq might have up its sleeves, but thisG Inquirer report doesn't particularly make sense.  Not surprising, given H their track record garbling stories, when they don't make them up out of whole cloth.  F >The director of the center - which uses Alpha technology - is made toG >say something along the lines that the incredible computation power of B >his installation proves the superiority of the Itanium processor.  > That'll be interesting to see.  If it really happens, that is.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 05:24:54 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)' Subject: Re: decnet phase IV -> phase V = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0203030524.4df26551@posting.google.com>   \ eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<3c818bcf$1@news.kapsch.co.at>...V > In article <3C7F6664.5040104@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: > >Dirk Munk wrote: G > >> And it is also easy to use DECnet over IP with Phase V, making it  D > >> possible to use Copy to download freeware, instead of FTP.  ;-) > >>  ) > >I've never tried that. How is it done?  > K > COPY uses DCL and RMS, RMS uses DECnet and ODS, DECnet uses NSP/TCP/TP0-4 G > (if you let COPY/FTP out, which is in fact another DCL command for an F > ordinary FTP transfer). If both sides have DECnet-over-IP setup, andF > (default) proxies added, then a simple COPY is possible. The problemF > is only to know, which freeware archives offer DECnet-over-IP (which( > is rarely found on non-VMS systems)...  ; a decnet copy is not the same as ftp, but more reliable ... 9 you will never have corrupt files w a decnet over ip copy > as you can w/ftp as copy will fail if even one block fails ...   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:11:23 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no> . Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more- Message-ID: <a5sssb$qt6$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>   " Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  : : How is it going? are you making any progress with emacs?  L I have been in contact with the emacs people about an eventual reintegration of the VMS stuff. : Very little on the further development side has been done.  H : We recently encountered some problem in the manner in which storage is : allocated J : for bit fields, which was incompatible with prior versions of DECC.  Now   Which versions?    : this doesn'tL : look like the problems you are4 having, but  I still think it may be safer : to use9 : gnu C, since this is what is normally used to build it.   I It works with DECC, and I think now is not the time for taking chances by / changing compiler, or even compiler parameters.   H I am for the moment going around the problem by disabling atimers in the vulnerable spots.    Regards, Roar Throns   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 05:30:57 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> . Subject: RE: emacs21 working a little bit more9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEEGEEAA.tom@kednos.com>    > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Roar Throns [mailto:roart@nvg.ntnu.no] & > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 2:11 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: emacs21 working a little bit more >  > $ > Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote: > < > : How is it going? are you making any progress with emacs? > @ > I have been in contact with the emacs people about an eventual > reintegration  > of the VMS stuff. < > Very little on the further development side has been done. > J > : We recently encountered some problem in the manner in which storage is
 > : allocated L > : for bit fields, which was incompatible with prior versions of DECC.  Now >  > Which versions?  6.0 and 6.4  >  > : this doesn'tA > : look like the problems you are4 having, but  I still think it  > may be safer
 > : to use; > : gnu C, since this is what is normally used to build it.  > K > It works with DECC, and I think now is not the time for taking chances by 1 > changing compiler, or even compiler parameters.  > J > I am for the moment going around the problem by disabling atimers in the > vulnerable spots.  > 
 > Regards, > Roar Throns >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:42:00 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)U Subject: Re: Prior Version Support (was: Re: Compaq adopts microsoft approach to VMS) K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0303021242000001@1cust170.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   = In article <d7791aa1.0202280556.7fe6baf8@posting.google.com>, ) bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:      > K >what about a decwindows cert patch for 7.1-1H2 ... they want us to upgrade M >to 7.1-2 to get it, but that involves upgrading 35 boxes around the country!  >we have bronze support ...   I So are folks in your company discussing this with your support contacts?  J Upgrading from 7.1-1H2 to 7.1-2 is a generally a very low-impact upgrade. I Yes, it takes some time, and 35 systems is not a trivial amount of work.  I But 7.1-1H2 was never intended as a long-term stopping point.  Compaq has 3 made that clear from the first day 7.1-1H2 shipped.   J You ought to be planning an upgrade to at least 7.1-2.  If you can't do itE right away, you should still be planning it for someday.  And if your E environment makes it difficult to upgrade, you need to make sure your F bronze support contacts undertand that.  They can likely find a way to accomodate your needs.  H None of this should be a surprise.  The status of 7.1-1H2 hasn't changedH in ages.  You need to be talking to support folks, not the newsgroup, if your needs are not being met.   H If you got all the patches you need, you'd probably still have to rebootG when you installed them.  Which is about the same impact you'd see from  upgrading to 7.1-2.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:52:53 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr> ; Subject: remember this one: DEC and INTEL agreement in 1997 ' Message-ID: <3C820E94.3E38E146@Free.fr>   < http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/CN102797.HTM   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:17:43 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> " Subject: Re: Shannon on the merger) Message-ID: <3C822276.B83F85AB@gtech.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote: A > if no merger, why would they kill their number one money maker? 4 > if anything, they would need it more than ever ...  < Feel free to belive that Compaq management focus on products9 that make money and drop products that do not make money.   8 The historical evidence from the last few years does not support such a theory.   Arne   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:29:17 +0000 (UTC)3 From: never+mail@panics.com.invalid (Michael Roach) Y Subject: Re: Sv: Younger recruits versus experienced veterans ( was The demise       of   , Message-ID: <a5tmhd$9c2$1@reader2.panix.com>  ( In article <1bn0y52xdw.fsf@cs.nmsu.edu>,+ Joe Pfeiffer  <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote: E >``They'' is grammatically incorrect; I tend to use ``the <functional D >name>,'' but that gets awkward.  You're right about ``she'' (why doF >these authors think that using the female pronoun is less sexist thanE >the male?'' and of course ``s/he'' is an abomination.  ``He or she'' A >is probably most correct and gender-neutral but is also awkward.    How about s/he/it? --  ! Zymurgy's Law of Volunteer Labor: 8 	People are always available for work in the past tense.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 09:29:12 -0800  From: kd5izi@my-deja.com (RDD)' Subject: Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240???? = Message-ID: <b696daa8.0203030929.1dcf9fca@posting.google.com>   
 Greetings,  B And thanks for your reply.  You're right, it is a MIPS box.  WhileE it's maybe a bit off-topic for this NG. would you know of a place one F could purchase some inexpensive hardware suitable for OpenVMS?  Just aD small, (though hopefully somewhat usable)  machine for home/hobbyist, usage.  All I'm finding are $10,000+ Alphas.   Many thanks!    7 Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote in message    J > I beleive a DEC 5000/240 is probably one of those MIPS boxes, right?  IfL > so, VMS will not run on it.  VMS requires either a VAX or Alpha processor.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:48:11 -0800# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> ' Subject: RE: VMS for a DEC 5000/240???? 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEEMEEAA.tom@kednos.com>   1 I have used with success http://www.islandco.com/   @ You can run Ultrix and ALSO PL/I on the 240, and they are pretty	 reliable.    > -----Original Message-----' > From: RDD [mailto:kd5izi@my-deja.com] & > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 9:29 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240????  >  >  > Greetings, > D > And thanks for your reply.  You're right, it is a MIPS box.  WhileG > it's maybe a bit off-topic for this NG. would you know of a place one H > could purchase some inexpensive hardware suitable for OpenVMS?  Just aF > small, (though hopefully somewhat usable)  machine for home/hobbyist. > usage.  All I'm finding are $10,000+ Alphas. >  > Many thanks! >  > 8 > Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> wrote in message > L > > I beleive a DEC 5000/240 is probably one of those MIPS boxes, right?  IfC > > so, VMS will not run on it.  VMS requires either a VAX or Alpha  > processor. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:14:51 -0500 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: VMS for a DEC 5000/240???? K Message-ID: <rdeininger-0303021314510001@1cust170.tnt1.nashua.nh.da.uu.net>   = In article <b696daa8.0203030929.1dcf9fca@posting.google.com>,V kd5izi@my-deja.com (RDD) wrote:    >Greetings,  >nC >And thanks for your reply.  You're right, it is a MIPS box.  WhileiF >it's maybe a bit off-topic for this NG. would you know of a place oneG >could purchase some inexpensive hardware suitable for OpenVMS?  Just aEE >small, (though hopefully somewhat usable)  machine for home/hobbyiste- >usage.  All I'm finding are $10,000+ Alphas.e  ? You can almost always find hobbyist alpha systems at ebay.  ThemA turbochannel systems are usually cheap, as are the older PCI/EISAT+ systems.  If you want faster, you pay more.2   Examples picked at random:  P A DEC 3000-400 with plenty of memory for a Hobbyist and a couple of small disks:A http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2006328942-  ! (I run DEC 3000 systems at home.)   ) You might want to add a CD-ROM like this:KA http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2005535450t  ? Bigger hard drives that would fit in this system are plentiful.1    < Or a nice VAXStation, though this one seems a bit expensive:A http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2005835074e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:56:13 +0100 - From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Free.fr>l, Subject: Re: What return codes mean success?' Message-ID: <3C820F5C.67DC6CD7@Free.fr>   / Your left CPQ or you are another Paul Winalski?t   Paul Winalski wrote something    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Mar 2002 12:54:56 +0100 O From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)a# Subject: [DECWarch] Jasper & Xephemh  Message-ID: <ZU0ELtv1ftse@sable>   Hi all,d  0 two new ports are available at the DECW Archive:  K Jasper 1.500.4 : a Jpeg 2000 set of utilities (converters, libraries). Jpeg.G 2000 is a new (emerging) standard of coding still images using waveletsr= transforms for a better compression rate than classical Jpeg.   4 Xephem 3.5.2 : the well known astronomical software    You'll find them at url:  $ http://decwarch.free.fr/decwnew.html   Patrick- --O ===============================================================================oN pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2002.122 ************************